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From USA Today during the Late Obama Age Collapse:

Air Force leadership lacks diversity
Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY May 3, 2015

WASHINGTON — The senior leadership of the Air Force remains largely white and male despite an emphasis on diversity in the service and throughout the military, according to data and interviews with service leaders.

The Air Force has 280 generals, but just 18 of them belong to minority groups. That includes two Hispanic officers, or less than 1% of the total. The 13 African-American generals make up 4% of the Air Force’s general officer corps.

The Pentagon’s other branches, including the Army, share the same struggle to diversify their forces, a priority of Defense Secretary Ashton Carter. A key concern for the Army resides in the lack of minority officers leading its combat battalions and brigades. That’s where lieutenant colonels and colonels are groomed for top leadership jobs, indicating the lack of diversity among combat leaders could persist for years.

It’s almost as if white men are more likely to volunteer for and succeed in the most dangerous and demanding assignments, while the Coalition of the Fringes prefers rear-echelon jobs?

The Air Force’s 9,000 combat pilots are at least 87% white. More officers declined to identify their race, 5%, than the next highest minority group, African Americans, at 3%. Nearly 94% are men.

Back during the worst part of the Iraq War, I used to try to excavate the statistics on one of the least publicized aspects of George W. Bush’s war: that whites were getting killed in combat at much higher rates than nonwhites.

In the mid 2000s, non-Hispanic whites made up about 61% of the 25-year-olds in the U.S. But through this 2009 report by Hannah Fischer of the Congressional Research Service, whites made up 74.7% of Iraq war fatalities, while minorities only accounted for 25.3%. So, whites gave the last full measure of devotion at an 89% higher per capita rate than nonwhites in Iraq.

The sacrifice gap was even larger in Afghanistan through 2009, with whites dying at a per capita rate 146% higher than nonwhites.

So, averaging across the two wars of George W. Bush, young whites died in service of their country at roughly twice the rate of young nonwhites.

And, of course, the white man’s burden was even higher compared to the rest of the population of young adults of both sexes: a death rate roughly 500% higher in Iraq, and over 650% higher in Afghanistan.

 
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  1. Kirt says:

    I’d recommend that white young men follow the intelligent example of their non-white counterparts and stop volunteering for service in America’s imperial wars. The eager rush to war on the part of these young white men is not merely propping up the imperial ideology which hates them but helping to impose this ideology on the rest of the world.

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    • Agree: Guy de Champlagne, Thea
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    And the mercenaries that will replace them will never turn their guns on middle America, right Kirt?

    A major impediment to the Left's 1984 implementation is that they can't use the military to send us all to the Gulag. Why is that Kirt?
    , @SteveRogers42
    Young combat-vet YT's enter the ranks of The Deplorables when they get out, bringing their training and experience with them. Gnomesayin'?
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  2. jjbees says:

    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.

    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw’s are succeeding, for now.

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    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @guest
    I wouldn't deny that's a consideration, but in truth they don't need extra rationales. They want to poz the military for the same reason they've taken over virtually every other institution in the country: because they must control everything.
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.
    , @Stan d Mute
    First, Thanks Steve!

    Now...

    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.
    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw’s are succeeding, for now
     
    They're not. Did you read Steve's post? Our combat troops are mostly white (or mestizo). Our special forces are overwhelmingly white as are our pilots and senior naval officers.

    An accurate census of privately owned weaponry would yield similar ownership results to our military and like our military these are probably our most patriotic citizens. The BLMSPLC idiots are poking the most dangerous animal on the planet while armed with a pointy stick. Attacking George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is already a step too far, but now our Flag, our Anthem, and Catholic Saints (clearly they don't consult mestizos before acting)???

    They're determined to make Kipling's poem into prophecy.
    , @EdwardM
    Agreed. Erdogan succeeded in a quiet multi-year push to slowly (and in some cases not so slowly) replace his military officers with people loyal to him, and it seems to have worked in taking away the major threat to his dictatorship.

    I recall this story from Sec. Carter to help the U.S. military get there faster: https://rightwise.org/2016/06/20/be-very-suspicious-of-the-lefts-motives-to-allow-lateral-entry-for-military-officers/

    I haven't seen any follow-up to this plan; hopefully the election of Trump stopped it for now.
  3. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/09/face-reading-ai-will-able-detect-politics-iq-professor-says/

    Race is a social construct but face is a biological fact.

    Face-ism is the future.

    I’m the only true face-ist.

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    • Replies: @guest
    There was a dystopian novel from several decades back called Facial Justice. Everyone was encouraged to get plastic surgery to have one of a few choices of faces to wear. Because difference is the root of all evil, or whatever.

    This will be how we beat the computers.

  4. Forbes says:

    Among enlistees, whites go into combat arms–and for the college money. It seems minorities enlist for training and a career in rear echelon functions. Last I checked, blacks were 16% of the Army force.

    My nephew did the college money route, serving as a paratrooper in the 82nd airborne, then serving as an infantry sergeant in the first rotation in Iraq as a reservist. His deal was three years active duty, five years reserves for $35,000 in college money. By the time he got released after returning from Iraq, it was 10 years from when he signed his enlistment papers. He completed his undergraduate degree and now works for a federal law enforcement agency.

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  5. Halvorson says:

    Blacks are almost a full 1/4th of the Army’s soldiers, but only about 1/10th of combat fatalities. What’s the explanation for this? They consciously stay out of the infantry?

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yes.
    , @Hunsdon
    What Jack said.
    , @william munny
    I agree with Jack too, based on my own limited and dated information, which I have no reason to doubt remains accurate. When I served in the Marines in the early 90s, the white kids joined because they wanted to fight. We all watched American troops killing Saddam's troops on TV, and signed on to do more of the same. If they wanted skill training, they would go to the other branches, except for those too dumb to realize that the other branches provided more college money and better skill training. I don't remember meeting any black kid who expressed a desire to fight, or who volunteered for the combat arms. Of course, these are generalities.

    Even then, the trade publications ran articles about how to encourage blacks (the only minority that mattered then) to volunteer for the combat arms positions that would lead to promotions. I always had the impression that a larger percentage of the black Marines joined for a non-dangerous career in motor transport or whatever, while the white Marines joined for one or two terms hoping to get a chance to fight (which they no doubt would regret), and then move on to a job as a cop or whatever. Of course the professional careerist warmakers who are promoted through the ranks were and are dominated by who you expect.
  6. The young White Core Americans who fought overseas for the American Empire in Iraq and Afghanistan must be getting pissed about the anti-White nonsense in the United States. The White Core American soldiers of the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War must be hopping mad when they see the violent thugs in Antifa stifling the free speech of patriotic Americans who love their ancestors and want to show their ancestors proper respect.

    The White Core American soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan will ask the question: What Were We Fighting For?

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  7. So it turns out that dying for your country is not one of those jobs Americans won’t do.

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  8. A fair number of lefties seem to have been pushing for some kind of quasi-legal coup against Trump over the last nine months or so. The data you present should suggest to them why this is a really bad idea. Once the coups against Constitutional government begin they will not end until the military takes charge. And in the case of coups this means the combat field officers, i.e, the captains, majors and colonels (and equivalent ranks in other services). These guys are almost to a man conservative White males recruited from fly over country, the home of the deplorables.

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    • Replies: @guest
    The entire point of having a Deep State is so that we can have coups without the military. Then you don't risk setting off a nation's Smedley Butler defense.

    Those publicly pushing for an open coup are simps. That's not the way to bring presidents to heel. Worst case scenario, you just ignore them and have the courts do your dirty work.

  9. President Trump might have won Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania because White women didn’t want their White husbands, sons, brothers and friends to be killed in unnecessary overseas wars. President Trump made it clear that he thought George W Bush’s Iraq War was a disaster that spilled too much blood without gaining anything for America.

    Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDS) are the core of the United States military. Many White women voted for President Trump because they felt Trump would not unnecessarily engage the US military in unwinnable overseas wars that accomplish nothing.

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  10. guest says:
    @jjbees
    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.

    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw's are succeeding, for now.

    I wouldn’t deny that’s a consideration, but in truth they don’t need extra rationales. They want to poz the military for the same reason they’ve taken over virtually every other institution in the country: because they must control everything.

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  11. @jjbees
    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.

    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw's are succeeding, for now.

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.
     
    Eh, I'll take incompetence over a tranny's stiletto heel stamping on a human face forever.
    , @Achilles

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?
     
    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don't mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.
     
    Right, because white people from Red-State America are not conservative, are they Guy? You must be a coastal resident. And your use of "puerile" demonstrates bad faith.

    Some of us know who serves our country, and know them not just personally, but as family members. How about you Guy?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?
     
    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats - they were political failures, not military failures.

    Knowledge about our history would improve your posts. (Even if you think our military is foreign.)
    , @SteveRogers42
    Pretty hard to find an example of actual battlefield defeat in that time period. Plenty of cases of Deep State stab-in-the-back political betrayals via the Rules of Engagement, though...
  12. Cortes says:

    Are white frontline personnel likely to value their PoC officer class? When 4Star General Trudy Dykerperson orders the troops in to promote the LGBTQ rights of the Yemenis, will Billy Bob and co respond with a triple Hurrah!?

    As the song goes “there may be trouble ahead…”

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Since when was the US government concerned with the welfare of Yemenis, LGBT or otherwise? USGOV has been complicit in Saudis' atrocities in Yemen.

    But to your broader point: these changes take place relatively slowly to allow potential mutineers/defectors/etc to exit the military. Once most of the people in the military are people who knew about policy x and potential war y prior to signing up, it's unlikely that there will be any significant resistance from the troops in executing x and y.

    , @Kevin C.

    When 4Star General Trudy Dykerperson orders the troops in to promote the LGBTQ rights of the Yemenis, will Billy Bob and co respond with a triple Hurrah!?
     
    Yes.
  13. guest says:
    @Anon
    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/09/face-reading-ai-will-able-detect-politics-iq-professor-says/

    Race is a social construct but face is a biological fact.

    Face-ism is the future.

    I'm the only true face-ist.

    There was a dystopian novel from several decades back called Facial Justice. Everyone was encouraged to get plastic surgery to have one of a few choices of faces to wear. Because difference is the root of all evil, or whatever.

    This will be how we beat the computers.

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  14. It’s our country because we’ve bled for it.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Nah, our ancestors did. We are generally unwilling to.
  15. guest says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    A fair number of lefties seem to have been pushing for some kind of quasi-legal coup against Trump over the last nine months or so. The data you present should suggest to them why this is a really bad idea. Once the coups against Constitutional government begin they will not end until the military takes charge. And in the case of coups this means the combat field officers, i.e, the captains, majors and colonels (and equivalent ranks in other services). These guys are almost to a man conservative White males recruited from fly over country, the home of the deplorables.

    The entire point of having a Deep State is so that we can have coups without the military. Then you don’t risk setting off a nation’s Smedley Butler defense.

    Those publicly pushing for an open coup are simps. That’s not the way to bring presidents to heel. Worst case scenario, you just ignore them and have the courts do your dirty work.

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  16. whoever says: • Website

    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat “V” (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it’s not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like “The Big Red One,” “Sands of Iwo Jima,” “Hamburger Hill,” etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like “Tour of Duty.”
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves — and really like it. They won’t admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

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    • Agree: Stan d Mute, jim jones
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.
     
    I sure hope you're right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.
    , @Dr. X
    Interesting post, but I'd like to quibble with this statement:

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.
     
    Certainly that was true in the 19th century... but maybe today it might be more accurate to say "whites were the apex predators of the human race?
    , @Chrisnonymous

    They won’t admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
     
    Some will admit it. For example, check out this Navy SEAL interview in which he describes leading troops in combat as what he was born to do.

    https://tim.blog/2015/09/25/jocko-willink/

    Your research sounds quite interesting, and I agree that white people seem to like war. East Asians seem to have a similar proclivity but not as pronounced and more like to get sublimated.
    , @oddsbodkins
    "But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement."

    There is a good book about this called "An intimate history of killing." One reason grandpa doesn't talk about the war is that to share how thrilling it was reminds him how boring his life is now, and makes him look like a psychopath.

    , @AndrewR
    "Whites" are soft and easily conned.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Nobody does organized violence as well as the white man. N. O. B. O. D. Y. When we can't find any non-whites to defeat in battle, we turn on one another. "Apex predator" is exactly correct.
  17. Tom Waits — “Hell Broke Luce”

    How is it that the only ones responsible for making this mess?

    Got their sorry asses stapled to a goddamned desk.

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  18. AM says:

    These guys are almost to a man conservative White males recruited from fly over country, the home of the deplorables.

    I’ve been surprised at the strength of the liberal streaks in some of the career military I’ve know/met over the years.

    But yes, most of them are from Deplorable Country and/or are sympathetic to such ideas.

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  19. @Halvorson
    Blacks are almost a full 1/4th of the Army's soldiers, but only about 1/10th of combat fatalities. What's the explanation for this? They consciously stay out of the infantry?

    Yes.

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  20. Sunbeam says:

    “Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it’s not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.”

    Maybe it’s changed but you used to see a lot of Indians (American) in the US Military. Well for their percentage of the population.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    In WWII you could fine Indians in front line combat units.

    Easy to spot with names like 'Green Crow' and 'Bone dragger'. Good fighters and totally ruthless.
  21. The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalaties in VN still gets airtime.

    I was in the parent unit that John Derbyshire’s son currently is now, 1/501 PIR back in the early 2000s – an airborne infantry unit. The Geronimo Battalion, to be super specific. There were about five blacks in the entire battalion I can recall: A scout sergeant, a forward observer, and three infantryman.

    If you’re a member of any of the big Army groups on facebook you can scroll through and see any number of examples of black females with obnoxiously gigantic “buns”, some the size of a cantelope. The comments are filled with soldiers expressing disgust and DAT RAYCISS retorts from Daniellashkasha DaGreatest.

    The Army likes to purposefully muddle the line between infantry, combat arms, and support and instead present some overweight mestiza admin clerk as much of a soldier as a white Rakkasan scout for sweet sweet diversity points.

    The honest truth is that anyone in the military right now should thank their lucky stars everyday we are not at war with Russia or North Korea (cue armchair generals to run in and tell me how we would totally OWN either nation in a Tom Clancy-esque narrative). Any military that cannot tell junior privates to fix their uniform or be honest about the composition of who does the fighting is going to get obliterated against nations fighting for their lives.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Thanks for your service. I am glad you are on our side.
    , @David In TN
    "The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalities in VN still gets airtime."

    Oh, absolutely. Hollywood movies made it look like blacks were a near-majority of the VN war combat troops and have then far more numerous than they are in movies on recent wars. Of, course, this was/is intentional.

    B.G. Burkett's book, "Stolen Valor," goes into this subject in some detail. IN VN, blacks made up a lower percentage of fatalities than their number of draft-age men in the population. Slightly lower, but not what has been claimed.
    , @SteveRogers42
    This Russian Army recruiting video seems to indicate a slightly more serious mindset:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=1idTSSc_7Ts

  22. Achilles says:

    Tom Wolfe in The Right Stuff:

    Throughout the world, for that matter, career officers came from “native” or “old settler” stock. Even in Israel, which had existed for barely a generation as an independent nation and was dominated politically by immigrants from Eastern Europe, the officer corps was made up overwhelmingly of “real Israelis” — men born or raised from an early age in the pre-war Jewish settlements of the old Palestine.

    Applies especially to officers and enlisted in the combat arms. In the US, disproportionately white core Americans.

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    • Replies: @cwhatfuture
    The Israelis are going in the opposite direction as the US.

    The Israeli army now recognizes five separate categories of soldier: 1) administrative, 2) combat support, 3) operational combat support, 4) combat and — at the top — 5) “spearhead,”

    If you are a combat soldier, you get more money and wear larger badges on your uniform indicating elite status. I would guess this will affect your chances of a date on Saturday night. You can presume only those in Category 5 are going to make general officer, and probably Prime Minister. Category 1? Forget it.
  23. anon says: • Disclaimer

    There hasn’t been much dying in Afghanistan in the last few years. Obama did his surge and then gave up. We are down to one a month — unless/until Trump ramps up.

    Special forces are taking some casualties, I’m sure. But at least they give what they get and more and aren’t simply cannon fodder.

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  24. @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Eh, I’ll take incompetence over a tranny’s stiletto heel stamping on a human face forever.

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  25. Tony says:

    It’s almost as if white men are more likely to volunteer for and succeed in the most dangerous and demanding assignments, while the Coalition of the Fringes prefers rear-echelon jobs?

    Leave off the first four words of that sentence and get rid of the question mark.

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  26. Achilles says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?

    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don’t mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don’t mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.
     
    Their stupidity is so far beyond what I ever thought possible. At this point I suspect a very substantial plurality of the best armed civilians and probably the vast majority of cops would support an American Pinochet taking our detritus for helicopter rides. If the imbeciles continue their attacks on our Flag and Anthem they'll find out just how dangerous is the beast they've awoken and be reminded why/how Europeans colonized and/or controlled the world until they began feeling guilty about it.

    A single F-16 could vaporize Detroit while a handful of cruise missiles and drones could clear out Chicago's crime problem. Yet these brainless idiots seem now to beg for such a reaction. It now appears we are seeing a death cult's rise. Our Republic needs to come to its senses pretty damn quickly. A civil war with the weaponry we possess today would be horrific beyond description and everyone would suffer, perhaps even more after the conflagration.
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    The US did lose battles in Korea repeatedly. They only started winning battles in later asymmetrical conflicts when winning battles no longer actually meant anything. At that point the military moved on to failing to do do things like being able to maintain law and order in Iraq. And then failing to even protect iraqis waiting to get into the green zone.

    The poor decisions from political leaders were sending the military to do tasks they clearly had no hope of achieving. Something that the military leadership did next to nothing to prevent from what I can tell.

    I don't think the military is ever going to accept its own limits because it benefits too much from all the wasted spending and unearned esteem in the status quo.

  27. Svigor says:

    I think the left, by and large, believe they are improving the military by pozzing it. One wonders if Stalin thought the same when he purged the Red Army officer corps…until Barbarossa rolled through. I’m sure more than a few leftists know they are degrading the military, but most of them get an anti-patriotic kick out of it.

    Regarding the idea that the left wants the military out of the way for their alt-left coup, well, that’s a double-edged sword, innit?

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    The military is viewed by the prog-left as just another jobs program to be pozzed. They can't dominate it, so they might as well as control it by imposing conditions on personnel and "training." Service is not viewed as an honor and privlege--it's a right granted to anyone, just like Sports League participation trophies where everyone plays...

    And friend (8 years in Navy) wrote me today about an "issue called 'Gundecking.' This was when supervisors (at various levels of the chain) would sign off on qualifications and certifications just to get them on record whether their Sailors were actually qualified or not. Meanwhile, actual time was spent quarterly training on topics such as, 'Don't Drink and Drive,' 'Don't Beat Your Wife,' and 'Don't Rape Your Shipmates.' Actual job training, tended not to be as important."
  28. Hunsdon says:
    @Halvorson
    Blacks are almost a full 1/4th of the Army's soldiers, but only about 1/10th of combat fatalities. What's the explanation for this? They consciously stay out of the infantry?

    What Jack said.

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  29. @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    I sure hope you’re right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I sure hope you’re right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.
     
    Ask yourself, "Self, which is more likely - that China would expand north, south, and west over land or swim across the little pond labeled Pacific Ocean on my globe?" Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America's Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet). And I don't think we need even contemplate what our nuclear weapons would be doing while China tried to mount an invasion from across the ocean.

    Besides, you forget what tiny island nations like England and Japan have done to China. The USA is on the ropes to be sure, but our military still has the ability to destroy every other nation on earth simultaneously. We are a very very dangerous wounded animal essentially. Our current political instability ought to scare the shit out of the ROTW. I know it scares the shit out of me.
    , @dc.sunsets
    The only thing China is good at is stealing Western innovations and reverse-engineering.
  30. @jjbees
    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.

    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw's are succeeding, for now.

    First, Thanks Steve!

    Now…

    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.
    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw’s are succeeding, for now

    They’re not. Did you read Steve’s post? Our combat troops are mostly white (or mestizo). Our special forces are overwhelmingly white as are our pilots and senior naval officers.

    An accurate census of privately owned weaponry would yield similar ownership results to our military and like our military these are probably our most patriotic citizens. The BLMSPLC idiots are poking the most dangerous animal on the planet while armed with a pointy stick. Attacking George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is already a step too far, but now our Flag, our Anthem, and Catholic Saints (clearly they don’t consult mestizos before acting)???

    They’re determined to make Kipling’s poem into prophecy.

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    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness. It remains completely taboo in our society to advocate for white peoples political interests. And huge numbers of these people who you think are going to start an uprising any day now are too fat and old to do anything even if they got it in their head to (which they won't). You're just going to get more schysters like Trump absorbing all of white peoples inchoate anger and taking away what crumbs he gives them as whites by screwing them over economically. You're living in a fantasy land.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Exactly.
  31. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Tom Wolfe wrote about how “settler stock” dominated the officer corps, including pilots, in The Right Stuff:

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  32. George says:

    Late Obama Age Collapse… tut tut, the wars are Ws wars, O just kept them going.

    How many generals are asian?

    the white man’s burden was even higher compared to the rest of the population of young adults of both sexes:

    my guess is most US infantry come from small town white death zones. The mortality rates would be more similar if you compared the outcomes of the soldiers to their civilian neighbors. Over a lifetime veteran preference for government jobs will also make a big difference. The wars have been going on so long young recruits are probably making informed rational decisions about the military.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Over a lifetime veteran preference for government jobs will also make a big difference.
     
    My sister works at NIH. She says they have to hire vets over the most qualified candidates. She says she has applicants with elite-college education who have the most impressive private-sector experience and they are passed over for some 38-year-old foreign-born retired military with an online degree.
  33. @Achilles

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?
     
    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don't mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.

    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don’t mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.

    Their stupidity is so far beyond what I ever thought possible. At this point I suspect a very substantial plurality of the best armed civilians and probably the vast majority of cops would support an American Pinochet taking our detritus for helicopter rides. If the imbeciles continue their attacks on our Flag and Anthem they’ll find out just how dangerous is the beast they’ve awoken and be reminded why/how Europeans colonized and/or controlled the world until they began feeling guilty about it.

    A single F-16 could vaporize Detroit while a handful of cruise missiles and drones could clear out Chicago’s crime problem. Yet these brainless idiots seem now to beg for such a reaction. It now appears we are seeing a death cult’s rise. Our Republic needs to come to its senses pretty damn quickly. A civil war with the weaponry we possess today would be horrific beyond description and everyone would suffer, perhaps even more after the conflagration.

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  34. @Stan d Mute
    First, Thanks Steve!

    Now...

    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.
    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw’s are succeeding, for now
     
    They're not. Did you read Steve's post? Our combat troops are mostly white (or mestizo). Our special forces are overwhelmingly white as are our pilots and senior naval officers.

    An accurate census of privately owned weaponry would yield similar ownership results to our military and like our military these are probably our most patriotic citizens. The BLMSPLC idiots are poking the most dangerous animal on the planet while armed with a pointy stick. Attacking George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is already a step too far, but now our Flag, our Anthem, and Catholic Saints (clearly they don't consult mestizos before acting)???

    They're determined to make Kipling's poem into prophecy.

    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness. It remains completely taboo in our society to advocate for white peoples political interests. And huge numbers of these people who you think are going to start an uprising any day now are too fat and old to do anything even if they got it in their head to (which they won’t). You’re just going to get more schysters like Trump absorbing all of white peoples inchoate anger and taking away what crumbs he gives them as whites by screwing them over economically. You’re living in a fantasy land.

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    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness.
     
    You might be surprised. I'm a native Detroiter and every gun owner I know has extreme negro fatigue. I've found the same in my travels throughout the US. Music videos of Africans murdering young blond children don't help. Nor does a decade of riots and mob attacks on white people. White Americans armed themselves to the teeth in the past decade, why do you think that is?

    But we are past the racial issue when our Flag is desecrated and our Anthem attacked. That is playing with real fire even more so than assassinating cops and soldiers which could be and has been blamed on "crazed individuals" without attribution of motive. The left is fomenting a revolution which history will see as a disastrous second civil war with horrifying results. The leftists and their African stooges have sticks and fecal bombs while the patriots have everything deadly. An American Pinochet with the murderous nature of a Stalin could emerge. Who would stop it? Who could stop it?

    Since roughly Obama's second inauguration the left seems to have gone completely mad. Their African shock troop stooges have wildly escalated their criminal attacks on whites as amply documented by Colin Flaherty. They've begun turning college campuses into open war zones. They've attacked every American icon from Confederate leaders to Lincoln, Jackson, Jefferson, and Washington. They threaten Stone Mountain and Mount Rushmore. They now attack our Flag and Anthem along with Catholic Saints. And they do all this as a lone coyote thinking he will have a meal of a sleeping grizzly. They are a death cult to their fanatical religion of Marxism. Nothing else explains what we see.
    , @L Woods
    Correct. Military men are a dispiritingly cucked lot as a whole, and will side with whoever signs their paychecks.
  35. Sean C says:

    I can’t get over the fact there are 280 generals in the Air Force. Doesn’t that seem a very top heavy?

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    From my layman's perspective, absurdly. The battle plan for any air campaign is more or less going to be the same — go bomb stuff, don't get shot down. Oh, and make sure to protect your supply lines, coordinate closely with ground forces, yadda yadda. It's not like land or naval warfare where you have to be planning your movements days and weeks in advance.

    Any more involved considerations than the preceding are primarily the province of politicians (whom, when and how forcefully to attack), intelligence analysts (info on enemy forces and targets) or are planned in near-real-time at the individual unit level.

    We might have ten or a dozen brilliant strategic thinkers who are able to offer us great additional insights about air warfare, but certainly not 280.
    , @Pericles
    The web page below claims the US Air Force has a bit more than 5000 aircraft (including unmanned), meaning about 17 per general.

    http://index.heritage.org/military/2015/chapter/us-power/us-air-force/
    , @Travis
    Over the past 30 years, the end-strength of the joint force has decreased 36 percent, but the ratio of Generals to the overall force has increased by 65 percent.

    in 2016 there were 411 one stars, 300 two stars, 140 three stars, and 38 four-star active generals and admirals. The ratio of officers in the military to the total force size has grown from 15% in 1999 to 18% in 2016.

    There are only 5,000 U.S. troops in Iraq—about what a colonel usually commands. But for this war, 21 generals have been deployed. With about 5,000 troops deployed to Iraq and Syria, that means there’s a general for every 416 troops, give or take.
  36. @Achilles

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?
     
    Huh? The US military has a spectacular record of success in battles during this time period. Don't mistake poor decisions by political leaders for poor performance by troops.

    The US did lose battles in Korea repeatedly. They only started winning battles in later asymmetrical conflicts when winning battles no longer actually meant anything. At that point the military moved on to failing to do do things like being able to maintain law and order in Iraq. And then failing to even protect iraqis waiting to get into the green zone.

    The poor decisions from political leaders were sending the military to do tasks they clearly had no hope of achieving. Something that the military leadership did next to nothing to prevent from what I can tell.

    I don’t think the military is ever going to accept its own limits because it benefits too much from all the wasted spending and unearned esteem in the status quo.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The poor decisions from political leaders were sending the military to do tasks they clearly had no hope of achieving.
     
    I'd laugh if I didn't think you are serious. You do understand that your passage, the one that I have block quoted, destroys your own argument.

    Go back to France, transpose the i and a, and stay on the porch.
  37. @Johann Ricke

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.
     
    I sure hope you're right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.

    I sure hope you’re right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.

    Ask yourself, “Self, which is more likely – that China would expand north, south, and west over land or swim across the little pond labeled Pacific Ocean on my globe?” Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America’s Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet). And I don’t think we need even contemplate what our nuclear weapons would be doing while China tried to mount an invasion from across the ocean.

    Besides, you forget what tiny island nations like England and Japan have done to China. The USA is on the ropes to be sure, but our military still has the ability to destroy every other nation on earth simultaneously. We are a very very dangerous wounded animal essentially. Our current political instability ought to scare the shit out of the ROTW. I know it scares the shit out of me.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America’s Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet).
     
    Aircraft carriers. That's amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?

    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.
    , @vx37
    You assume that the U.S. will still exist in 50 or 100 years. In fact it might not, and a section of the continent might already be controlled by ethnic Chinese in a position to freely import Chinese settlers and soldiers and make war on the other weakened fragments of former America and Canada. What would happen if the western third of Canada became overwhelmingly Chinese and they voted to secede? Hell, what would happen RIGHT NOW if, Camp of the Saints style, the Chinese simply started sending millions of people to Canada by air and sea? Who's going to stop them, the white-hating establishments that control Canada and the U.S.?
  38. Thea says:

    I’d personally like to see no Americans of any race die in the pointless mess but I’m a just a Nazi so that is hateful!

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  39. @Kirt
    I'd recommend that white young men follow the intelligent example of their non-white counterparts and stop volunteering for service in America's imperial wars. The eager rush to war on the part of these young white men is not merely propping up the imperial ideology which hates them but helping to impose this ideology on the rest of the world.

    And the mercenaries that will replace them will never turn their guns on middle America, right Kirt?

    A major impediment to the Left’s 1984 implementation is that they can’t use the military to send us all to the Gulag. Why is that Kirt?

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    • Agree: Seneca
    • Replies: @Kirt
    "send us all to the Gulag" - You can't be serious. Why would they want to do that when they are enriching themselves without risk at our expense and fooling enough young men to risk their lives to extend the rule of our rulers to the entire world? Don't worry - as long as you applaud the operations of the military industrial financial complex, there's no chance you'll end up in the Gulag.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "A major impediment to the Left’s 1984 implementation is that they can’t use the military to send us all to the Gulag."
     
    When the entire country becomes the gulag, they don't need to send anyone anywhere (except more foreigners inward to salt the demographic earth).
  40. JamesA says:

    It is true that minorities stay away from combat arms. This also explains the Iraq/Afghanistan discrepancy because Iraq saw a lot more IEDs used against logistics/admin people vs Afghanistan that had more conventional fire fights.

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  41. Dr. X says:
    @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    Interesting post, but I’d like to quibble with this statement:

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    Certainly that was true in the 19th century… but maybe today it might be more accurate to say “whites were the apex predators of the human race?

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  42. @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Right, because white people from Red-State America are not conservative, are they Guy? You must be a coastal resident. And your use of “puerile” demonstrates bad faith.

    Some of us know who serves our country, and know them not just personally, but as family members. How about you Guy?

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    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    I'm not entirely sure what you're saying but red state america would be another group of conservatives who, like the military, basically suck if you look at them rationally and therefore shouldn't be held up as any kind of example or be given more influence.
  43. @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    They won’t admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.

    Some will admit it. For example, check out this Navy SEAL interview in which he describes leading troops in combat as what he was born to do.

    https://tim.blog/2015/09/25/jocko-willink/

    Your research sounds quite interesting, and I agree that white people seem to like war. East Asians seem to have a similar proclivity but not as pronounced and more like to get sublimated.

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  44. @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?

    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats – they were political failures, not military failures.

    Knowledge about our history would improve your posts. (Even if you think our military is foreign.)

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    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne

    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats – they were political failures, not military failures.

     

    Let's pretend that weren't just some inane lie that conservatives cling to to get over their cognititve dissonance (although i should add that blaming it all on not just political leaders, but solely democratic ones, I must say isn't so inane and is actually quite striking in its surreal disconnection from reality).

    In a coup, the military would no longer have civilian leadership telling them what to do. And since all their failures come from civilian leadership, and they've been failing for 60 years, that means they've been being told what to do by civilians for a long time. So you'd have a bunch of people who had never had to think for themselves for at least 60 years running the country. So that's another way to get to my conclusion that you should be more skeptical about the desirability of a military coup.

  45. @Jack Hanson
    The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalaties in VN still gets airtime.

    I was in the parent unit that John Derbyshire's son currently is now, 1/501 PIR back in the early 2000s - an airborne infantry unit. The Geronimo Battalion, to be super specific. There were about five blacks in the entire battalion I can recall: A scout sergeant, a forward observer, and three infantryman.

    If you're a member of any of the big Army groups on facebook you can scroll through and see any number of examples of black females with obnoxiously gigantic "buns", some the size of a cantelope. The comments are filled with soldiers expressing disgust and DAT RAYCISS retorts from Daniellashkasha DaGreatest.

    The Army likes to purposefully muddle the line between infantry, combat arms, and support and instead present some overweight mestiza admin clerk as much of a soldier as a white Rakkasan scout for sweet sweet diversity points.

    The honest truth is that anyone in the military right now should thank their lucky stars everyday we are not at war with Russia or North Korea (cue armchair generals to run in and tell me how we would totally OWN either nation in a Tom Clancy-esque narrative). Any military that cannot tell junior privates to fix their uniform or be honest about the composition of who does the fighting is going to get obliterated against nations fighting for their lives.

    Thanks for your service. I am glad you are on our side.

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  46. @Tony
    It’s almost as if white men are more likely to volunteer for and succeed in the most dangerous and demanding assignments, while the Coalition of the Fringes prefers rear-echelon jobs?

    Leave off the first four words of that sentence and get rid of the question mark.

    True.

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  47. @Guy de Champlagne
    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness. It remains completely taboo in our society to advocate for white peoples political interests. And huge numbers of these people who you think are going to start an uprising any day now are too fat and old to do anything even if they got it in their head to (which they won't). You're just going to get more schysters like Trump absorbing all of white peoples inchoate anger and taking away what crumbs he gives them as whites by screwing them over economically. You're living in a fantasy land.

    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness.

    You might be surprised. I’m a native Detroiter and every gun owner I know has extreme negro fatigue. I’ve found the same in my travels throughout the US. Music videos of Africans murdering young blond children don’t help. Nor does a decade of riots and mob attacks on white people. White Americans armed themselves to the teeth in the past decade, why do you think that is?

    But we are past the racial issue when our Flag is desecrated and our Anthem attacked. That is playing with real fire even more so than assassinating cops and soldiers which could be and has been blamed on “crazed individuals” without attribution of motive. The left is fomenting a revolution which history will see as a disastrous second civil war with horrifying results. The leftists and their African stooges have sticks and fecal bombs while the patriots have everything deadly. An American Pinochet with the murderous nature of a Stalin could emerge. Who would stop it? Who could stop it?

    Since roughly Obama’s second inauguration the left seems to have gone completely mad. Their African shock troop stooges have wildly escalated their criminal attacks on whites as amply documented by Colin Flaherty. They’ve begun turning college campuses into open war zones. They’ve attacked every American icon from Confederate leaders to Lincoln, Jackson, Jefferson, and Washington. They threaten Stone Mountain and Mount Rushmore. They now attack our Flag and Anthem along with Catholic Saints. And they do all this as a lone coyote thinking he will have a meal of a sleeping grizzly. They are a death cult to their fanatical religion of Marxism. Nothing else explains what we see.

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  48. @Guy de Champlagne
    The US did lose battles in Korea repeatedly. They only started winning battles in later asymmetrical conflicts when winning battles no longer actually meant anything. At that point the military moved on to failing to do do things like being able to maintain law and order in Iraq. And then failing to even protect iraqis waiting to get into the green zone.

    The poor decisions from political leaders were sending the military to do tasks they clearly had no hope of achieving. Something that the military leadership did next to nothing to prevent from what I can tell.

    I don't think the military is ever going to accept its own limits because it benefits too much from all the wasted spending and unearned esteem in the status quo.

    The poor decisions from political leaders were sending the military to do tasks they clearly had no hope of achieving.

    I’d laugh if I didn’t think you are serious. You do understand that your passage, the one that I have block quoted, destroys your own argument.

    Go back to France, transpose the i and a, and stay on the porch.

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  49. ivvenalis says:

    Notice the attitude of that article: that being a tactical battalion or brigade commander, or a fighter pilot, is a generic “job” whose only purpose is to “groom” people for the real task of Providing Diversity.

    As others have pointed out, and the article sort of implied in the usual muddled fashion, there are plenty of non-whites in the military but they tend to be in non-combat jobs. I can assure you that the difference is quite noticeable.

    The real question isn’t why there are so few nonwhites in combat roles as why there are so many whites in combat roles. Being a rear echelon MFer means the same pay, better conditions, and more likelihood of picking up skills applicable outside the military. Combat vets take pride in their status, but that prestige is limited to a very small group because most civilians can’t draw a meaningful distinction between a paralegal and a paratrooper, the DoD actively plays down the distinction officially.

    Ironically some of it is probably because of role models. Getting a cushy job in the military requires knowing things a recruiter won’t tell you, and maybe doesn’t even know himself. If you have an uncle who’s a retired ordnance master sergeant, he can probably tell you that sure, you can live in the dirt for a few months a year if you want, or you can be a supply clerk or a mechanic for the same pay, more independence, better treatment, better assignment locations. These are also the sort of guys who understand that having a 5% higher chance of becoming a general might not be worth thousands of hours of extra work, shitting in the woods into your middle age, and probably increasing your chance of a career-ending injury (non-combat) by several times. At 19, how much do you want to bet your future prospects on being able to keep up physically with young men into your mid-40s?

    Anyway, all of these services have had pretty much negligible success with convincing Diversity to take the right jobs at the beginning of their career, and they probably can’t force it. Most likely they’re going to start pulling top leaders from outside of “traditional” (i.e., core) career tracks. In fact they may already be doing it and we’re just waiting on the first batch to come up for promotion; stuff like this (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/03/the-air-force-fumbles-a-post-mortem-on-the-recent-promotion-board-for-lt-colonels/) indicates that the rate may be moving through the snake already. Notice pilots getting shafted in favor of officers with the right staff credentials.

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  50. L Woods says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness. It remains completely taboo in our society to advocate for white peoples political interests. And huge numbers of these people who you think are going to start an uprising any day now are too fat and old to do anything even if they got it in their head to (which they won't). You're just going to get more schysters like Trump absorbing all of white peoples inchoate anger and taking away what crumbs he gives them as whites by screwing them over economically. You're living in a fantasy land.

    Correct. Military men are a dispiritingly cucked lot as a whole, and will side with whoever signs their paychecks.

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  51. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military’s near total record of failure since Korea?
     
    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats - they were political failures, not military failures.

    Knowledge about our history would improve your posts. (Even if you think our military is foreign.)

    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats – they were political failures, not military failures.

    Let’s pretend that weren’t just some inane lie that conservatives cling to to get over their cognititve dissonance (although i should add that blaming it all on not just political leaders, but solely democratic ones, I must say isn’t so inane and is actually quite striking in its surreal disconnection from reality).

    In a coup, the military would no longer have civilian leadership telling them what to do. And since all their failures come from civilian leadership, and they’ve been failing for 60 years, that means they’ve been being told what to do by civilians for a long time. So you’d have a bunch of people who had never had to think for themselves for at least 60 years running the country. So that’s another way to get to my conclusion that you should be more skeptical about the desirability of a military coup.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Not thinking for themselves? That's a joke.

    They do think and have opinions otherwise they wouldn't be able to run the most complex military in the world, bar none and do so in a competent manner most of the time. Most of them just know to keep their mouth shut when in front of the public because it can be a career killer for a officer if they say the wrong thing. You get these men in private to talk and assuming they trust you, you'll see a different side of them and views.

    Secondly you need to make a distinction between the general and admirals and the rest of the officer corps. The generals are largely political appointees who get the position by kissing ass - Patreus is a great example. Never saw a day of combat in his life, he just played the game, married the right woman, etc. Said the right things to the political class and became their darling. They aren't much better than a Soviet era political commissar. Most are incompetent micromanagers.

    The smart and tough ones who lead combat units rarely make it above colonel. A lot just make it to Lt. Colonel and that's it. They simply aren't trusted by the political ruling class. Now these guys, even without the top brass have the chops to plan strategy and set ROE's with no problem. Robots they are not.

    They know when they are being screwed over as well. We lost a lot of captains and majors to resignations during the Iraq war because of their distrust of the higher rank.

    In fact they could pull off a coup with no problem. Bring in a air assault battalion and it would all over before the day is done. And I don't think most Americans would mind given what nest of anti-American scumbags D.C. has become.
  52. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.
     
    Right, because white people from Red-State America are not conservative, are they Guy? You must be a coastal resident. And your use of "puerile" demonstrates bad faith.

    Some of us know who serves our country, and know them not just personally, but as family members. How about you Guy?

    I’m not entirely sure what you’re saying but red state america would be another group of conservatives who, like the military, basically suck if you look at them rationally and therefore shouldn’t be held up as any kind of example or be given more influence.

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    but red state america would be another group of conservatives who, like the military, basically suck
     
    The fact that you have a right to vote in America, given your shortcomings, is almost enough to make me embrace a Derbyshire level of pessimism. But then despair is a sin.

    And you are just another victim of public education:

    Blame my raising on my name
    Blame my name on my raising
    Blame my lack of knowing better on public education
    Brothers Osborne - It Ain't My Fault

  53. Why are we in Iraq?

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    To create an independent Kurdistan that can supply oil to Israel.
  54. Wilkey says:

    The Air Force has 280 generals, but just 18 of them belong to minority groups. That includes two Hispanic officers, or less than 1% of the total. The 13 African-American generals make up 4% of the Air Force’s general officer corps.

    Obama promoted 25 Air Force generals to O-10, and 3 of them (12%) were black. It seems to me that if there was any discrimination happening it was due to Obama, and in favor of blacks, and not the reverse. Overall 8 of his 7o promotions to O-10 were black.

    Interestingly or not, Obama promoted few if any Asians and Hispanics to four star general or admiral.

    What is surprising, though, is that apparently Obama’s efforts to discriminate don’t appear to have reached deeper down into the ranks. He appears to have favored promoting black Lt. Generals and Vice Admirals to full General and Admiral but there don’t seem to be many coming up behind them. Early in the Obama Administration there was an article that noted that blacks were “only” about 9% of military officers and 6% of general officers (O-7 and above). Not sure what % of Air Force general officers they comprised but I doubt it’s changed much.

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  55. Kirt says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    And the mercenaries that will replace them will never turn their guns on middle America, right Kirt?

    A major impediment to the Left's 1984 implementation is that they can't use the military to send us all to the Gulag. Why is that Kirt?

    “send us all to the Gulag” – You can’t be serious. Why would they want to do that when they are enriching themselves without risk at our expense and fooling enough young men to risk their lives to extend the rule of our rulers to the entire world? Don’t worry – as long as you applaud the operations of the military industrial financial complex, there’s no chance you’ll end up in the Gulag.

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    Lmao denial just ain't a river.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    “send us all to the Gulag” – You can’t be serious.
     
    Of course I am. Maybe you don't know about the bakers in Oregon. The Leftists took away their business and then they took away their house. If they can do it to them, they can send us to the Gulag. Pay attention, this isn't the 1950s USA.
  56. Maj. Kong says:

    The real right must begin to push for a new round of BRAC, at the minimum. A first step is a culling of the number of flag officers, followed by changing the service academies to a Sandhurst model (and firing the leftist civilian professors).

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  57. CCZ says:

    And if you are (ex) Army (however you get to ex) and a coalition of the fringes, especially T, you get a Harvard Fellows appointment. Wonder how this will be received by those in Harms Way??

    BOSTON (Reuters) – Chelsea [[AKA Bradley]] Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in prison for leaking classified data has been named a visiting fellow at Harvard University, the school said Wednesday.

    “Broadening the range and depth of opportunity for students to hear from and engage with experts, leaders and policy-shapers is a cornerstone of the Institute of Politics,” said Bill Delhunt, acting director of the institute at the Harvard Kennedy School. “We welcome the breadth of thought-provoking viewpoints on race, gender, politics and the media.” (Sean Spicer was also selected.)

    The two are part of a group of a dozen political leaders and journalists who will serve as visiting fellows at the school for the 2017-2018 academic year.

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    I'm surprised Harvard hasn't invited Jonathan Pollard yet. What's holding them up?
    , @Brutusale
    Well, a former spymaster isn't on board.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/2017/09/former_cia_chief_leaves_harvard_after_manning_named_fellow?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
  58. @Jack Hanson
    The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalaties in VN still gets airtime.

    I was in the parent unit that John Derbyshire's son currently is now, 1/501 PIR back in the early 2000s - an airborne infantry unit. The Geronimo Battalion, to be super specific. There were about five blacks in the entire battalion I can recall: A scout sergeant, a forward observer, and three infantryman.

    If you're a member of any of the big Army groups on facebook you can scroll through and see any number of examples of black females with obnoxiously gigantic "buns", some the size of a cantelope. The comments are filled with soldiers expressing disgust and DAT RAYCISS retorts from Daniellashkasha DaGreatest.

    The Army likes to purposefully muddle the line between infantry, combat arms, and support and instead present some overweight mestiza admin clerk as much of a soldier as a white Rakkasan scout for sweet sweet diversity points.

    The honest truth is that anyone in the military right now should thank their lucky stars everyday we are not at war with Russia or North Korea (cue armchair generals to run in and tell me how we would totally OWN either nation in a Tom Clancy-esque narrative). Any military that cannot tell junior privates to fix their uniform or be honest about the composition of who does the fighting is going to get obliterated against nations fighting for their lives.

    “The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalities in VN still gets airtime.”

    Oh, absolutely. Hollywood movies made it look like blacks were a near-majority of the VN war combat troops and have then far more numerous than they are in movies on recent wars. Of, course, this was/is intentional.

    B.G. Burkett’s book, “Stolen Valor,” goes into this subject in some detail. IN VN, blacks made up a lower percentage of fatalities than their number of draft-age men in the population. Slightly lower, but not what has been claimed.

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @George
    Late Obama Age Collapse... tut tut, the wars are Ws wars, O just kept them going.

    How many generals are asian?

    the white man’s burden was even higher compared to the rest of the population of young adults of both sexes:

    my guess is most US infantry come from small town white death zones. The mortality rates would be more similar if you compared the outcomes of the soldiers to their civilian neighbors. Over a lifetime veteran preference for government jobs will also make a big difference. The wars have been going on so long young recruits are probably making informed rational decisions about the military.

    Over a lifetime veteran preference for government jobs will also make a big difference.

    My sister works at NIH. She says they have to hire vets over the most qualified candidates. She says she has applicants with elite-college education who have the most impressive private-sector experience and they are passed over for some 38-year-old foreign-born retired military with an online degree.

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  60. snorlax says:
    @Sean C
    I can't get over the fact there are 280 generals in the Air Force. Doesn't that seem a very top heavy?

    From my layman’s perspective, absurdly. The battle plan for any air campaign is more or less going to be the same — go bomb stuff, don’t get shot down. Oh, and make sure to protect your supply lines, coordinate closely with ground forces, yadda yadda. It’s not like land or naval warfare where you have to be planning your movements days and weeks in advance.

    Any more involved considerations than the preceding are primarily the province of politicians (whom, when and how forcefully to attack), intelligence analysts (info on enemy forces and targets) or are planned in near-real-time at the individual unit level.

    We might have ten or a dozen brilliant strategic thinkers who are able to offer us great additional insights about air warfare, but certainly not 280.

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  61. Pericles says:
    @Sean C
    I can't get over the fact there are 280 generals in the Air Force. Doesn't that seem a very top heavy?

    The web page below claims the US Air Force has a bit more than 5000 aircraft (including unmanned), meaning about 17 per general.

    http://index.heritage.org/military/2015/chapter/us-power/us-air-force/

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  62. Pericles says:
    @CCZ
    And if you are (ex) Army (however you get to ex) and a coalition of the fringes, especially T, you get a Harvard Fellows appointment. Wonder how this will be received by those in Harms Way??

    BOSTON (Reuters) - Chelsea [[AKA Bradley]] Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in prison for leaking classified data has been named a visiting fellow at Harvard University, the school said Wednesday.

    "Broadening the range and depth of opportunity for students to hear from and engage with experts, leaders and policy-shapers is a cornerstone of the Institute of Politics," said Bill Delhunt, acting director of the institute at the Harvard Kennedy School. "We welcome the breadth of thought-provoking viewpoints on race, gender, politics and the media." (Sean Spicer was also selected.)

    The two are part of a group of a dozen political leaders and journalists who will serve as visiting fellows at the school for the 2017-2018 academic year.
     

    I’m surprised Harvard hasn’t invited Jonathan Pollard yet. What’s holding them up?

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  63. Whiskey says: • Website

    Whites are hardly the apex predators, more like the easy pickings. No Muslim, no Black, no Hispanic fears Whites. Why should they? Whites don’t act as a group to defend their group interests, give away their women, their lands, and their money and ask for more. They let their women grovel in front of non-Whites and punish White men who object.

    If anything, a Military Coup would entail rounding up most White men, by other White men in the military, into camps. Generals McMaster, Kelly, Petraeaus, and the like sure have a hard-on for Muslims, SJW-ism, and Blacks, and the general hatred for White men that is part and parcel of Western Culture since 1919. Who else would get promoted.

    A coup would have every single Deplorable White male who is not a Pajama Boy rounded up; most shot out of hand; the rest rounded up in camps. Pajama Boys would be next, and easy meat. Finally, the killers themselves would be shot by Diverse “soldiers” like Shaniqua and Jamaal. Do you honestly expect OathKeepers to do anything but obey the same way the Wehrmacht obeyed Hitler to the very end?

    White people, it has to be admitted, are mostly genetic failures since they are incapable of controlling their women or smacking them around like they want; and have rolled over without fighting for a European and American immavasion. Foreigners can publish insulting things in Foreign Affairs that would get them shot out of hand in India. Without fear of any consequence.

    What did the vaunted French Army do when De Gaulle cucked out and handed France over to Algeria? They backed him to the hilt and cuckily hunted down the OAS so as to hand over France to Muslims (which was the natural result of giving Algeria independence).

    The fatal flaw of White people is that they are bred by natural selection for shock battle which means the ability to endure horrific things and obey their officers. When their officers cuck out as they always do when women are not treated the way a biker treats a stripper; its like the social immune system goes haywire. Cuckism and dutiful obedience like the Wehrmacht to Hitler, or the Kaiser years earlier is a feature not a bug of White men.

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  64. Rod1963 says:
    @Sunbeam
    "Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it’s not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white."

    Maybe it's changed but you used to see a lot of Indians (American) in the US Military. Well for their percentage of the population.

    In WWII you could fine Indians in front line combat units.

    Easy to spot with names like ‘Green Crow’ and ‘Bone dragger’. Good fighters and totally ruthless.

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    Where I used to work I saw a check made out to "Jim Crow," showed it to a Black woman there and she literally burst out in laughter!
  65. Rod1963 says:
    @Guy de Champlagne

    You are mistaken. The failures you cite were not failures of our military. They were all failures planned and executed by the Democrats – they were political failures, not military failures.

     

    Let's pretend that weren't just some inane lie that conservatives cling to to get over their cognititve dissonance (although i should add that blaming it all on not just political leaders, but solely democratic ones, I must say isn't so inane and is actually quite striking in its surreal disconnection from reality).

    In a coup, the military would no longer have civilian leadership telling them what to do. And since all their failures come from civilian leadership, and they've been failing for 60 years, that means they've been being told what to do by civilians for a long time. So you'd have a bunch of people who had never had to think for themselves for at least 60 years running the country. So that's another way to get to my conclusion that you should be more skeptical about the desirability of a military coup.

    Not thinking for themselves? That’s a joke.

    They do think and have opinions otherwise they wouldn’t be able to run the most complex military in the world, bar none and do so in a competent manner most of the time. Most of them just know to keep their mouth shut when in front of the public because it can be a career killer for a officer if they say the wrong thing. You get these men in private to talk and assuming they trust you, you’ll see a different side of them and views.

    Secondly you need to make a distinction between the general and admirals and the rest of the officer corps. The generals are largely political appointees who get the position by kissing ass – Patreus is a great example. Never saw a day of combat in his life, he just played the game, married the right woman, etc. Said the right things to the political class and became their darling. They aren’t much better than a Soviet era political commissar. Most are incompetent micromanagers.

    The smart and tough ones who lead combat units rarely make it above colonel. A lot just make it to Lt. Colonel and that’s it. They simply aren’t trusted by the political ruling class. Now these guys, even without the top brass have the chops to plan strategy and set ROE’s with no problem. Robots they are not.

    They know when they are being screwed over as well. We lost a lot of captains and majors to resignations during the Iraq war because of their distrust of the higher rank.

    In fact they could pull off a coup with no problem. Bring in a air assault battalion and it would all over before the day is done. And I don’t think most Americans would mind given what nest of anti-American scumbags D.C. has become.

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  66. @Halvorson
    Blacks are almost a full 1/4th of the Army's soldiers, but only about 1/10th of combat fatalities. What's the explanation for this? They consciously stay out of the infantry?

    I agree with Jack too, based on my own limited and dated information, which I have no reason to doubt remains accurate. When I served in the Marines in the early 90s, the white kids joined because they wanted to fight. We all watched American troops killing Saddam’s troops on TV, and signed on to do more of the same. If they wanted skill training, they would go to the other branches, except for those too dumb to realize that the other branches provided more college money and better skill training. I don’t remember meeting any black kid who expressed a desire to fight, or who volunteered for the combat arms. Of course, these are generalities.

    Even then, the trade publications ran articles about how to encourage blacks (the only minority that mattered then) to volunteer for the combat arms positions that would lead to promotions. I always had the impression that a larger percentage of the black Marines joined for a non-dangerous career in motor transport or whatever, while the white Marines joined for one or two terms hoping to get a chance to fight (which they no doubt would regret), and then move on to a job as a cop or whatever. Of course the professional careerist warmakers who are promoted through the ranks were and are dominated by who you expect.

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    while the white Marines joined for one or two terms hoping to get a chance to fight (which they no doubt would regret)

    Why would they regret it?
  67. Travis says:
    @Sean C
    I can't get over the fact there are 280 generals in the Air Force. Doesn't that seem a very top heavy?

    Over the past 30 years, the end-strength of the joint force has decreased 36 percent, but the ratio of Generals to the overall force has increased by 65 percent.

    in 2016 there were 411 one stars, 300 two stars, 140 three stars, and 38 four-star active generals and admirals. The ratio of officers in the military to the total force size has grown from 15% in 1999 to 18% in 2016.

    There are only 5,000 U.S. troops in Iraq—about what a colonel usually commands. But for this war, 21 generals have been deployed. With about 5,000 troops deployed to Iraq and Syria, that means there’s a general for every 416 troops, give or take.

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    In other words, the military has succumbed to Pournelle's Iron Law, and we generate all the wealth and have all the tech we need to keep things that way.

    To respond to some points up thread:

    There will be no military coup so long as the paychecks can be cashed. Look at Venezuela--the troops are still being paid and the larger mass of the populace are just mad that the Magic Gibmedats Machine doesn't seem to be working. There is a lot of ruin in a nation.

    The rationales for the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan are completely perverse. Nominally, they are the forward edge of the War on Terror, as in, kill the terrorists there so when we roll over for mass Muslim immigration from their failing states, we don't have to kill them here. Practically, they generate profits for military contractors and career advancement for bureaucrats. Americans should stop signing up for this crap.

    To everyone's credit, I don't think there is much stomach for big, theater-wide, meatgrinder wars any more. The three countries that run the planet, the US, China and Russia, are more co-dependent than they admit publicly. Of course, mistakes, catastrophes and stupid decisions happen. But I think the next round of wars will intra-national, not international. Hopefully they won't involve nukes.

  68. @Kirt
    "send us all to the Gulag" - You can't be serious. Why would they want to do that when they are enriching themselves without risk at our expense and fooling enough young men to risk their lives to extend the rule of our rulers to the entire world? Don't worry - as long as you applaud the operations of the military industrial financial complex, there's no chance you'll end up in the Gulag.

    Lmao denial just ain’t a river.

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  69. TheMann says:

    Three things I learned in the Military:

    1. The Federal government is pure evil.

    2. Paperwork isn’t the solution to anything, it is the solution to nothing.

    3. One Black ok, two Blacks maybe, ten Blacks, don’t turn your back on them…ever.

    This has been expounded on many times, by many people. for example:

    https://www.amren.com/news/2008/08/diversity_in_th_1/

    The historical record:

    http://aavw.org/served/racetensions_riots_abstract03_full.html

    scroll down to the end under the heading “security”.

    I could go on but you can do your own non-Google searches. Be advised though, you will have your eyes opened. The Military has been pretending since Korea that integration is just a big old happy success, and that is a false and perjured lie. And the proof is in the combat.

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  70. @Travis
    Over the past 30 years, the end-strength of the joint force has decreased 36 percent, but the ratio of Generals to the overall force has increased by 65 percent.

    in 2016 there were 411 one stars, 300 two stars, 140 three stars, and 38 four-star active generals and admirals. The ratio of officers in the military to the total force size has grown from 15% in 1999 to 18% in 2016.

    There are only 5,000 U.S. troops in Iraq—about what a colonel usually commands. But for this war, 21 generals have been deployed. With about 5,000 troops deployed to Iraq and Syria, that means there’s a general for every 416 troops, give or take.

    In other words, the military has succumbed to Pournelle’s Iron Law, and we generate all the wealth and have all the tech we need to keep things that way.

    To respond to some points up thread:

    There will be no military coup so long as the paychecks can be cashed. Look at Venezuela–the troops are still being paid and the larger mass of the populace are just mad that the Magic Gibmedats Machine doesn’t seem to be working. There is a lot of ruin in a nation.

    The rationales for the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan are completely perverse. Nominally, they are the forward edge of the War on Terror, as in, kill the terrorists there so when we roll over for mass Muslim immigration from their failing states, we don’t have to kill them here. Practically, they generate profits for military contractors and career advancement for bureaucrats. Americans should stop signing up for this crap.

    To everyone’s credit, I don’t think there is much stomach for big, theater-wide, meatgrinder wars any more. The three countries that run the planet, the US, China and Russia, are more co-dependent than they admit publicly. Of course, mistakes, catastrophes and stupid decisions happen. But I think the next round of wars will intra-national, not international. Hopefully they won’t involve nukes.

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  71. Mr. Anon says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I sure hope you’re right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.
     
    Ask yourself, "Self, which is more likely - that China would expand north, south, and west over land or swim across the little pond labeled Pacific Ocean on my globe?" Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America's Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet). And I don't think we need even contemplate what our nuclear weapons would be doing while China tried to mount an invasion from across the ocean.

    Besides, you forget what tiny island nations like England and Japan have done to China. The USA is on the ropes to be sure, but our military still has the ability to destroy every other nation on earth simultaneously. We are a very very dangerous wounded animal essentially. Our current political instability ought to scare the shit out of the ROTW. I know it scares the shit out of me.

    Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America’s Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet).

    Aircraft carriers. That’s amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?

    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.

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    Aircraft carriers. That’s amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?
    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.
     
    "Any serious shooting war"? Really? How exactly would China reach our carriers which are by definition at sea and accompanied by these things called Carrier Groups and amid entire Fleets? Air power? You do know what aircraft carriers carry right? Subs? Hmm, we have far more (and better) of those too. Missiles? You think China has more of those? What's their range and accuracy? And how is China's petroleum supply anyway since they do have that small puddle to cross to reach us?

    China's offensive threat to America is nuclear, not conventional. Their defensive capabilities are much better, but would ultimately be forced to go nuclear anyway.

    Land armies cross land borders. Navies and air power project across seas. America has virtually no risk of non-nuclear defeat outside the ongoing invasion from LatAm. And LatAm would pose no threat if we made the smallest of efforts to stop them. When the talking heads whinge about "threats" from Russia or China, those are threats to "American interests" near Russia and China. Both are fully cognizant of American ability to project power as well as our MAD deterrent capability. Both are fully aware that we already surround them via our projected power (sea, air, and land via our allies). How many divisions again does China have in North America? And I seem to have forgotten how many Russian armies are in Mexico or Canada..
  72. @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    “But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.”

    There is a good book about this called “An intimate history of killing.” One reason grandpa doesn’t talk about the war is that to share how thrilling it was reminds him how boring his life is now, and makes him look like a psychopath.

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  73. Client 9 says:

    Why are White men signing up for combat duty to protect a country that has become increasingly hostile towards them??

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  74. @william munny
    I agree with Jack too, based on my own limited and dated information, which I have no reason to doubt remains accurate. When I served in the Marines in the early 90s, the white kids joined because they wanted to fight. We all watched American troops killing Saddam's troops on TV, and signed on to do more of the same. If they wanted skill training, they would go to the other branches, except for those too dumb to realize that the other branches provided more college money and better skill training. I don't remember meeting any black kid who expressed a desire to fight, or who volunteered for the combat arms. Of course, these are generalities.

    Even then, the trade publications ran articles about how to encourage blacks (the only minority that mattered then) to volunteer for the combat arms positions that would lead to promotions. I always had the impression that a larger percentage of the black Marines joined for a non-dangerous career in motor transport or whatever, while the white Marines joined for one or two terms hoping to get a chance to fight (which they no doubt would regret), and then move on to a job as a cop or whatever. Of course the professional careerist warmakers who are promoted through the ranks were and are dominated by who you expect.

    while the white Marines joined for one or two terms hoping to get a chance to fight (which they no doubt would regret)

    Why would they regret it?

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  75. AndrewR says:
    @Cortes
    Are white frontline personnel likely to value their PoC officer class? When 4Star General Trudy Dykerperson orders the troops in to promote the LGBTQ rights of the Yemenis, will Billy Bob and co respond with a triple Hurrah!?

    As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead..."

    Since when was the US government concerned with the welfare of Yemenis, LGBT or otherwise? USGOV has been complicit in Saudis’ atrocities in Yemen.

    But to your broader point: these changes take place relatively slowly to allow potential mutineers/defectors/etc to exit the military. Once most of the people in the military are people who knew about policy x and potential war y prior to signing up, it’s unlikely that there will be any significant resistance from the troops in executing x and y.

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  76. AndrewR says:
    @Albus_Scirocco
    It's our country because we've bled for it.

    Nah, our ancestors did. We are generally unwilling to.

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  77. AndrewR says:
    @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    “Whites” are soft and easily conned.

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  78. AndrewR says:
    @JamesA
    It is true that minorities stay away from combat arms. This also explains the Iraq/Afghanistan discrepancy because Iraq saw a lot more IEDs used against logistics/admin people vs Afghanistan that had more conventional fire fights.

    Why did Afghanis eschew IEDs?

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    Iraq had tons of artillery munitions all over the place when we foolishly disbanded the Iraqi army- these are easily converted to IEDs. I don't think the Taliban had such an inheritance.
    , @ATX Hipster
    They didn't, the terrain and lack of infrastructure just made them a less effective tactic.
  79. Kevin C. says:
    @Cortes
    Are white frontline personnel likely to value their PoC officer class? When 4Star General Trudy Dykerperson orders the troops in to promote the LGBTQ rights of the Yemenis, will Billy Bob and co respond with a triple Hurrah!?

    As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead..."

    When 4Star General Trudy Dykerperson orders the troops in to promote the LGBTQ rights of the Yemenis, will Billy Bob and co respond with a triple Hurrah!?

    Yes.

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  80. Forbes says:
    @Svigor
    I think the left, by and large, believe they are improving the military by pozzing it. One wonders if Stalin thought the same when he purged the Red Army officer corps...until Barbarossa rolled through. I'm sure more than a few leftists know they are degrading the military, but most of them get an anti-patriotic kick out of it.

    Regarding the idea that the left wants the military out of the way for their alt-left coup, well, that's a double-edged sword, innit?

    The military is viewed by the prog-left as just another jobs program to be pozzed. They can’t dominate it, so they might as well as control it by imposing conditions on personnel and “training.” Service is not viewed as an honor and privlege–it’s a right granted to anyone, just like Sports League participation trophies where everyone plays…

    And friend (8 years in Navy) wrote me today about an “issue called ‘Gundecking.’ This was when supervisors (at various levels of the chain) would sign off on qualifications and certifications just to get them on record whether their Sailors were actually qualified or not. Meanwhile, actual time was spent quarterly training on topics such as, ‘Don’t Drink and Drive,’ ‘Don’t Beat Your Wife,’ and ‘Don’t Rape Your Shipmates.’ Actual job training, tended not to be as important.”

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  81. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    And the mercenaries that will replace them will never turn their guns on middle America, right Kirt?

    A major impediment to the Left's 1984 implementation is that they can't use the military to send us all to the Gulag. Why is that Kirt?

    “A major impediment to the Left’s 1984 implementation is that they can’t use the military to send us all to the Gulag.”

    When the entire country becomes the gulag, they don’t need to send anyone anywhere (except more foreigners inward to salt the demographic earth).

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  82. vx37 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I sure hope you’re right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.
     
    Ask yourself, "Self, which is more likely - that China would expand north, south, and west over land or swim across the little pond labeled Pacific Ocean on my globe?" Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America's Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet). And I don't think we need even contemplate what our nuclear weapons would be doing while China tried to mount an invasion from across the ocean.

    Besides, you forget what tiny island nations like England and Japan have done to China. The USA is on the ropes to be sure, but our military still has the ability to destroy every other nation on earth simultaneously. We are a very very dangerous wounded animal essentially. Our current political instability ought to scare the shit out of the ROTW. I know it scares the shit out of me.

    You assume that the U.S. will still exist in 50 or 100 years. In fact it might not, and a section of the continent might already be controlled by ethnic Chinese in a position to freely import Chinese settlers and soldiers and make war on the other weakened fragments of former America and Canada. What would happen if the western third of Canada became overwhelmingly Chinese and they voted to secede? Hell, what would happen RIGHT NOW if, Camp of the Saints style, the Chinese simply started sending millions of people to Canada by air and sea? Who’s going to stop them, the white-hating establishments that control Canada and the U.S.?

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    You assume that the U.S. will still exist in 50 or 100 years.
     
    Your reading comprehension is impaired. I specifically said that our instability ought to scare the shit out of them as it scares me. Our arsenal is potentially capable of causing global human extinction and our military stands ready 24/7 to use it. It's controlled by our failing political system and military training/discipline.

    What would happen if the western third of Canada became overwhelmingly Chinese and they voted to secede?
     
    You mean like the nation of Quebec?

    Hell, what would happen RIGHT NOW if, Camp of the Saints style, the Chinese simply started sending millions of people to Canada by air and sea? Who’s going to stop them, the white-hating establishments that control Canada and the U.S.?
     
    Sending them on Dutch container ships running on fuel from where? And if a hundred million Chinese lived in Western Canada, so what? Canadians can't own guns like Americans can. And if you fear the Canadian "military" then you have problems beyond solving. Holland and Canada? Really? That's your best shot?

    You also assume our military would stand down in the face of direct threats based on orders from unarmed politicians. You forget our combat troops and officers are drawn from the deplorable pool just like our armed civilians.
  83. @Achilles
    Tom Wolfe in The Right Stuff:

    Throughout the world, for that matter, career officers came from "native" or "old settler" stock. Even in Israel, which had existed for barely a generation as an independent nation and was dominated politically by immigrants from Eastern Europe, the officer corps was made up overwhelmingly of "real Israelis" -- men born or raised from an early age in the pre-war Jewish settlements of the old Palestine.

     

    Applies especially to officers and enlisted in the combat arms. In the US, disproportionately white core Americans.

    The Israelis are going in the opposite direction as the US.

    The Israeli army now recognizes five separate categories of soldier: 1) administrative, 2) combat support, 3) operational combat support, 4) combat and — at the top — 5) “spearhead,”

    If you are a combat soldier, you get more money and wear larger badges on your uniform indicating elite status. I would guess this will affect your chances of a date on Saturday night. You can presume only those in Category 5 are going to make general officer, and probably Prime Minister. Category 1? Forget it.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Israel is kind of like the "Starship Troopers" set up. Sure, everybody gets to vote, but to be prime minister your military record is critical. The country is small enough that you were evaluated many times by your peers in the most stressful situations.

    E.g., I doubt if John McCain would have been a contender for PM in Israel. It's not enough just to suffer, you have to make the enemy suffer.

  84. @cwhatfuture
    The Israelis are going in the opposite direction as the US.

    The Israeli army now recognizes five separate categories of soldier: 1) administrative, 2) combat support, 3) operational combat support, 4) combat and — at the top — 5) “spearhead,”

    If you are a combat soldier, you get more money and wear larger badges on your uniform indicating elite status. I would guess this will affect your chances of a date on Saturday night. You can presume only those in Category 5 are going to make general officer, and probably Prime Minister. Category 1? Forget it.

    Israel is kind of like the “Starship Troopers” set up. Sure, everybody gets to vote, but to be prime minister your military record is critical. The country is small enough that you were evaluated many times by your peers in the most stressful situations.

    E.g., I doubt if John McCain would have been a contender for PM in Israel. It’s not enough just to suffer, you have to make the enemy suffer.

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    One of the oddities of the Vietnam War from the American side is the returning POWs in early 1973 were the heroes of the war.

    McCain realized even then he could parlay his "hero" status into a political career. But in Israel, a shot-down POW wouldn't get political traction.
    , @IHTG
    Historically no! Rabin in 1992 was the first PM with a serious military career. Before that, prime ministers came from the generation before the IDF was founded.
  85. @AndrewR
    Why did Afghanis eschew IEDs?

    Iraq had tons of artillery munitions all over the place when we foolishly disbanded the Iraqi army- these are easily converted to IEDs. I don’t think the Taliban had such an inheritance.

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  86. @Steve Sailer
    Israel is kind of like the "Starship Troopers" set up. Sure, everybody gets to vote, but to be prime minister your military record is critical. The country is small enough that you were evaluated many times by your peers in the most stressful situations.

    E.g., I doubt if John McCain would have been a contender for PM in Israel. It's not enough just to suffer, you have to make the enemy suffer.

    One of the oddities of the Vietnam War from the American side is the returning POWs in early 1973 were the heroes of the war.

    McCain realized even then he could parlay his “hero” status into a political career. But in Israel, a shot-down POW wouldn’t get political traction.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    As I've said before, John McCain was a way station between Audie Murphy and Jessica Lynch.
  87. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @David In TN
    One of the oddities of the Vietnam War from the American side is the returning POWs in early 1973 were the heroes of the war.

    McCain realized even then he could parlay his "hero" status into a political career. But in Israel, a shot-down POW wouldn't get political traction.

    As I’ve said before, John McCain was a way station between Audie Murphy and Jessica Lynch.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As I’ve said before, John McCain was a way station between Audie Murphy and Jessica Lynch.
     
    I liked it when Trump ‘lynched’ McCain and busted him down to Ensign.

    https://youtu.be/541Cg2Jnb8s?t=1m43s
  88. Tarrou says:

    Notes from my time in service:

    Blacks are overrepresented in the rear. Whites and hispanics in combat arms. The infantry is mostly blue-collar whites and Puerto Ricans. Very few east asians, disproportionate Sikhs, Samoans and Phillipinos.

    What blacks there are in the infantry tend to be non-stereotypical. One I knew was an immigrant from Swaziland, another was a former coal miner from West Virginia.

    As to the officer/enlisted divide, officers tend to be more liberal politically and more religious socially. Post Cold War, the Army ballooned the number of officer slots and shrank the enlisted ranks to the bone. One out of every four soldiers is now an officer. You could literally have an officer command every single fire team in the Army, and still have a full command structure. Most of them are fiddling around with the diversity/sexual harassment/feels-brigade bullshit the command structure is constantly generating. I wouldn’t trust one out of a hundred to shoulder the right end of a rifle or sit the right way on a toilet.

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  89. @Dave Pinsen
    As I've said before, John McCain was a way station between Audie Murphy and Jessica Lynch.

    As I’ve said before, John McCain was a way station between Audie Murphy and Jessica Lynch.

    I liked it when Trump ‘lynched’ McCain and busted him down to Ensign.

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  90. whoever says: • Website
    @oddsbodkins
    "But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement."

    There is a good book about this called "An intimate history of killing." One reason grandpa doesn't talk about the war is that to share how thrilling it was reminds him how boring his life is now, and makes him look like a psychopath.

    Thanks for the book recommendation!

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  91. @Kirt
    I'd recommend that white young men follow the intelligent example of their non-white counterparts and stop volunteering for service in America's imperial wars. The eager rush to war on the part of these young white men is not merely propping up the imperial ideology which hates them but helping to impose this ideology on the rest of the world.

    Young combat-vet YT’s enter the ranks of The Deplorables when they get out, bringing their training and experience with them. Gnomesayin’?

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  92. @Stan d Mute
    First, Thanks Steve!

    Now...

    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.
    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw’s are succeeding, for now
     
    They're not. Did you read Steve's post? Our combat troops are mostly white (or mestizo). Our special forces are overwhelmingly white as are our pilots and senior naval officers.

    An accurate census of privately owned weaponry would yield similar ownership results to our military and like our military these are probably our most patriotic citizens. The BLMSPLC idiots are poking the most dangerous animal on the planet while armed with a pointy stick. Attacking George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is already a step too far, but now our Flag, our Anthem, and Catholic Saints (clearly they don't consult mestizos before acting)???

    They're determined to make Kipling's poem into prophecy.

    Exactly.

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  93. @Guy de Champlagne
    Would you even want a military coup given that the US military's near total record of failure since Korea? People here seem stuck in this puerile, military is conservative so therefore good mindset.

    Pretty hard to find an example of actual battlefield defeat in that time period. Plenty of cases of Deep State stab-in-the-back political betrayals via the Rules of Engagement, though…

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    Pretty hard to find an example of actual battlefield defeat in that time period. Plenty of cases of Deep State stab-in-the-back political betrayals via the Rules of Engagement, though…
     
    And the notion we are in any risk of true defeat (ie surrender of lower 48) is not even wrong. The risk is of our war dogs going off their leash and of thermonuclear war ensuing. Just as our domestic risk is of unleashing a heavily armed citizenry of deplorables and deplorable cops & troops in a civil war and annihilation of troublesome populations.

    One hopes the 20th century was the pinnacle of human slaughter, but that seems by no means assured.
  94. @whoever
    I wrote a research paper on this a few years ago focusing on the Marine Corps/Navy in which I looked at not only fatalities and injuries by race/ethnicity, but also the race/ethnicity of those receiving CARs and medals with Combat "V" (for valorous actions in direct contact with the enemy). Overwhelmingly some variety of white, followed by some variety of Hispanic, although it's not easy to tell for sure because the categories are self-identified and there are advantages to identifying yourself as other than white.
    Another thing I checked was preferences in reading and movies/TV. The whites invariably liked military history and memoirs, and were often very familiar with things like tank battles on the Eastern Front in WW2, or destroyer night actions in the Solomon Islands during the Pacific War. They had also seen, usually multiple times, movies like "The Big Red One," "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Hamburger Hill," etc., as well as having grown up watching TV shows like "Tour of Duty."
    I noted that while it was not all that unusual for white females to show comparable interests, if to a lesser degree and often in response being schooled by a father or to male SO interests, it was rare to find a non-white female interested in any aspect of warfare.
    One of my conclusions was that whites (at least a certain segment of them) are interested in war, enjoy reading about it and watching it depicted, and then want to participate in it themselves -- and really like it. They won't admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.

    Nobody does organized violence as well as the white man. N. O. B. O. D. Y. When we can’t find any non-whites to defeat in battle, we turn on one another. “Apex predator” is exactly correct.

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  95. @Chrisnonymous

    They won’t admit to that, because it would be unseemly. But it appeared clear to me that the time they spent in combat was the high point of their life and that everything since has been denouement.
     
    Some will admit it. For example, check out this Navy SEAL interview in which he describes leading troops in combat as what he was born to do.

    https://tim.blog/2015/09/25/jocko-willink/

    Your research sounds quite interesting, and I agree that white people seem to like war. East Asians seem to have a similar proclivity but not as pronounced and more like to get sublimated.

    Jocko looks like Achilles covered in concrete.

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  96. @Jack Hanson
    The canard that blacks bore the brunt of fatalaties in VN still gets airtime.

    I was in the parent unit that John Derbyshire's son currently is now, 1/501 PIR back in the early 2000s - an airborne infantry unit. The Geronimo Battalion, to be super specific. There were about five blacks in the entire battalion I can recall: A scout sergeant, a forward observer, and three infantryman.

    If you're a member of any of the big Army groups on facebook you can scroll through and see any number of examples of black females with obnoxiously gigantic "buns", some the size of a cantelope. The comments are filled with soldiers expressing disgust and DAT RAYCISS retorts from Daniellashkasha DaGreatest.

    The Army likes to purposefully muddle the line between infantry, combat arms, and support and instead present some overweight mestiza admin clerk as much of a soldier as a white Rakkasan scout for sweet sweet diversity points.

    The honest truth is that anyone in the military right now should thank their lucky stars everyday we are not at war with Russia or North Korea (cue armchair generals to run in and tell me how we would totally OWN either nation in a Tom Clancy-esque narrative). Any military that cannot tell junior privates to fix their uniform or be honest about the composition of who does the fighting is going to get obliterated against nations fighting for their lives.

    This Russian Army recruiting video seems to indicate a slightly more serious mindset:

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  97. Svigor says:

    White people totally lack a racial political consciousness. It remains completely taboo in our society to advocate for white peoples political interests.

    Not true. White people don’t lack a racial political consciousness; they have a pathological racial political consciousness. A subtle but important distinction.

    E.g., white racial political consciousness: “we don’t get to have ethnonationalism.”

    It’s important because the particulars can always be replaced.

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  98. IHTG says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Israel is kind of like the "Starship Troopers" set up. Sure, everybody gets to vote, but to be prime minister your military record is critical. The country is small enough that you were evaluated many times by your peers in the most stressful situations.

    E.g., I doubt if John McCain would have been a contender for PM in Israel. It's not enough just to suffer, you have to make the enemy suffer.

    Historically no! Rabin in 1992 was the first PM with a serious military career. Before that, prime ministers came from the generation before the IDF was founded.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Indeed. Before Rabin they came from Lehi, Irgun and Haganah.

    And of course Rabin was the only PM who ever tried for a legitimate settlement with the Palies. He got what was coming to him for that.

  99. Brutusale says:
    @CCZ
    And if you are (ex) Army (however you get to ex) and a coalition of the fringes, especially T, you get a Harvard Fellows appointment. Wonder how this will be received by those in Harms Way??

    BOSTON (Reuters) - Chelsea [[AKA Bradley]] Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in prison for leaking classified data has been named a visiting fellow at Harvard University, the school said Wednesday.

    "Broadening the range and depth of opportunity for students to hear from and engage with experts, leaders and policy-shapers is a cornerstone of the Institute of Politics," said Bill Delhunt, acting director of the institute at the Harvard Kennedy School. "We welcome the breadth of thought-provoking viewpoints on race, gender, politics and the media." (Sean Spicer was also selected.)

    The two are part of a group of a dozen political leaders and journalists who will serve as visiting fellows at the school for the 2017-2018 academic year.
     
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  100. EdwardM says: • Website
    @jjbees
    The real goal of diversifying the military is preventing military coup from stopping the sjw-led destruction of the United States.

    Based on talks with friends in the military, the sjw's are succeeding, for now.

    Agreed. Erdogan succeeded in a quiet multi-year push to slowly (and in some cases not so slowly) replace his military officers with people loyal to him, and it seems to have worked in taking away the major threat to his dictatorship.

    I recall this story from Sec. Carter to help the U.S. military get there faster: https://rightwise.org/2016/06/20/be-very-suspicious-of-the-lefts-motives-to-allow-lateral-entry-for-military-officers/

    I haven’t seen any follow-up to this plan; hopefully the election of Trump stopped it for now.

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  101. @Mr. Anon

    Consider that China is VASTLY outmatched by America’s Navy (11 to 1 just in Aircraft Carriers with their 1 not even fully operational yet).
     
    Aircraft carriers. That's amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?

    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.

    Aircraft carriers. That’s amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?
    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.

    “Any serious shooting war”? Really? How exactly would China reach our carriers which are by definition at sea and accompanied by these things called Carrier Groups and amid entire Fleets? Air power? You do know what aircraft carriers carry right? Subs? Hmm, we have far more (and better) of those too. Missiles? You think China has more of those? What’s their range and accuracy? And how is China’s petroleum supply anyway since they do have that small puddle to cross to reach us?

    China’s offensive threat to America is nuclear, not conventional. Their defensive capabilities are much better, but would ultimately be forced to go nuclear anyway.

    Land armies cross land borders. Navies and air power project across seas. America has virtually no risk of non-nuclear defeat outside the ongoing invasion from LatAm. And LatAm would pose no threat if we made the smallest of efforts to stop them. When the talking heads whinge about “threats” from Russia or China, those are threats to “American interests” near Russia and China. Both are fully cognizant of American ability to project power as well as our MAD deterrent capability. Both are fully aware that we already surround them via our projected power (sea, air, and land via our allies). How many divisions again does China have in North America? And I seem to have forgotten how many Russian armies are in Mexico or Canada..

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your logic, by which none of their missiles could ever get through because we have more and ours are better, is otherwise known as Wishful Thinking.

    Even if we can destroy them better, it's all over at that point.
  102. @vx37
    You assume that the U.S. will still exist in 50 or 100 years. In fact it might not, and a section of the continent might already be controlled by ethnic Chinese in a position to freely import Chinese settlers and soldiers and make war on the other weakened fragments of former America and Canada. What would happen if the western third of Canada became overwhelmingly Chinese and they voted to secede? Hell, what would happen RIGHT NOW if, Camp of the Saints style, the Chinese simply started sending millions of people to Canada by air and sea? Who's going to stop them, the white-hating establishments that control Canada and the U.S.?

    You assume that the U.S. will still exist in 50 or 100 years.

    Your reading comprehension is impaired. I specifically said that our instability ought to scare the shit out of them as it scares me. Our arsenal is potentially capable of causing global human extinction and our military stands ready 24/7 to use it. It’s controlled by our failing political system and military training/discipline.

    What would happen if the western third of Canada became overwhelmingly Chinese and they voted to secede?

    You mean like the nation of Quebec?

    Hell, what would happen RIGHT NOW if, Camp of the Saints style, the Chinese simply started sending millions of people to Canada by air and sea? Who’s going to stop them, the white-hating establishments that control Canada and the U.S.?

    Sending them on Dutch container ships running on fuel from where? And if a hundred million Chinese lived in Western Canada, so what? Canadians can’t own guns like Americans can. And if you fear the Canadian “military” then you have problems beyond solving. Holland and Canada? Really? That’s your best shot?

    You also assume our military would stand down in the face of direct threats based on orders from unarmed politicians. You forget our combat troops and officers are drawn from the deplorable pool just like our armed civilians.

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  103. @SteveRogers42
    Pretty hard to find an example of actual battlefield defeat in that time period. Plenty of cases of Deep State stab-in-the-back political betrayals via the Rules of Engagement, though...

    Pretty hard to find an example of actual battlefield defeat in that time period. Plenty of cases of Deep State stab-in-the-back political betrayals via the Rules of Engagement, though…

    And the notion we are in any risk of true defeat (ie surrender of lower 48) is not even wrong. The risk is of our war dogs going off their leash and of thermonuclear war ensuing. Just as our domestic risk is of unleashing a heavily armed citizenry of deplorables and deplorable cops & troops in a civil war and annihilation of troublesome populations.

    One hopes the 20th century was the pinnacle of human slaughter, but that seems by no means assured.

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  104. I can’t be the only one who suggests many, many NAM’s be invited to participate in flight training (using relatively inexpensive, if not disposable aircraft, for economy.)

    Put lots of NAM’s in airplanes. Please. Darwin is very good at culling bad pilots.

    After all, look at Kara Hultgren. Probably a nice girl, but “first female combat pilot” might have signed her death warrant.

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  105. @Johann Ricke

    Another of my conclusions, that I have thought to myself but never formally written down, is that whites are, if anyone is, the apex predators of the human race. Piss on their shoes at your peril.
     
    I sure hope you're right, because China is rising, and its capabilities are catching up with its depthless appetite for territorial expansion over the millennia.

    The only thing China is good at is stealing Western innovations and reverse-engineering.

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  106. @AndrewR
    Why did Afghanis eschew IEDs?

    They didn’t, the terrain and lack of infrastructure just made them a less effective tactic.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @IHTG
    Historically no! Rabin in 1992 was the first PM with a serious military career. Before that, prime ministers came from the generation before the IDF was founded.

    Indeed. Before Rabin they came from Lehi, Irgun and Haganah.

    And of course Rabin was the only PM who ever tried for a legitimate settlement with the Palies. He got what was coming to him for that.

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  108. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Stan d Mute

    Aircraft carriers. That’s amusing. What are they for? Big choreographed dance numbers at sea?
    In any serious shooting war, our carriers would probably be sent to the bottom in the first two hours.
     
    "Any serious shooting war"? Really? How exactly would China reach our carriers which are by definition at sea and accompanied by these things called Carrier Groups and amid entire Fleets? Air power? You do know what aircraft carriers carry right? Subs? Hmm, we have far more (and better) of those too. Missiles? You think China has more of those? What's their range and accuracy? And how is China's petroleum supply anyway since they do have that small puddle to cross to reach us?

    China's offensive threat to America is nuclear, not conventional. Their defensive capabilities are much better, but would ultimately be forced to go nuclear anyway.

    Land armies cross land borders. Navies and air power project across seas. America has virtually no risk of non-nuclear defeat outside the ongoing invasion from LatAm. And LatAm would pose no threat if we made the smallest of efforts to stop them. When the talking heads whinge about "threats" from Russia or China, those are threats to "American interests" near Russia and China. Both are fully cognizant of American ability to project power as well as our MAD deterrent capability. Both are fully aware that we already surround them via our projected power (sea, air, and land via our allies). How many divisions again does China have in North America? And I seem to have forgotten how many Russian armies are in Mexico or Canada..

    Your logic, by which none of their missiles could ever get through because we have more and ours are better, is otherwise known as Wishful Thinking.

    Even if we can destroy them better, it’s all over at that point.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Your logic, by which none of their missiles could ever get through because we have more and ours are better, is otherwise known as Wishful Thinking.
     
    Nice strawman! But I argued that America has nothing to fear as far as "defeat" in a conventional war, that China poses no offensive threat to us with their fraction of our air and sea power. Russia is the same and they're far more threat to one another than either or both to America. I also specifically pointed out America's capability in nuclear destruction to illustrate the absurdity of either China or Russia starting a war with America at all - even if they somehow found an ability to get armies across the Pacific or the Arctic+Canada. The only thing to fear is America's tottering instability and her envelopment of Russia/China. America could easily blunder herself into attacking in Eurasia sparking yet another war she won't win (MAD isn't a win for anyone).
  109. @Anonymous
    Your logic, by which none of their missiles could ever get through because we have more and ours are better, is otherwise known as Wishful Thinking.

    Even if we can destroy them better, it's all over at that point.

    Your logic, by which none of their missiles could ever get through because we have more and ours are better, is otherwise known as Wishful Thinking.

    Nice strawman! But I argued that America has nothing to fear as far as “defeat” in a conventional war, that China poses no offensive threat to us with their fraction of our air and sea power. Russia is the same and they’re far more threat to one another than either or both to America. I also specifically pointed out America’s capability in nuclear destruction to illustrate the absurdity of either China or Russia starting a war with America at all – even if they somehow found an ability to get armies across the Pacific or the Arctic+Canada. The only thing to fear is America’s tottering instability and her envelopment of Russia/China. America could easily blunder herself into attacking in Eurasia sparking yet another war she won’t win (MAD isn’t a win for anyone).

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  110. @Rod1963
    In WWII you could fine Indians in front line combat units.

    Easy to spot with names like 'Green Crow' and 'Bone dragger'. Good fighters and totally ruthless.

    Where I used to work I saw a check made out to “Jim Crow,” showed it to a Black woman there and she literally burst out in laughter!

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  111. @Kirt
    "send us all to the Gulag" - You can't be serious. Why would they want to do that when they are enriching themselves without risk at our expense and fooling enough young men to risk their lives to extend the rule of our rulers to the entire world? Don't worry - as long as you applaud the operations of the military industrial financial complex, there's no chance you'll end up in the Gulag.

    “send us all to the Gulag” – You can’t be serious.

    Of course I am. Maybe you don’t know about the bakers in Oregon. The Leftists took away their business and then they took away their house. If they can do it to them, they can send us to the Gulag. Pay attention, this isn’t the 1950s USA.

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  112. @Rod1963
    Not thinking for themselves? That's a joke.

    They do think and have opinions otherwise they wouldn't be able to run the most complex military in the world, bar none and do so in a competent manner most of the time. Most of them just know to keep their mouth shut when in front of the public because it can be a career killer for a officer if they say the wrong thing. You get these men in private to talk and assuming they trust you, you'll see a different side of them and views.

    Secondly you need to make a distinction between the general and admirals and the rest of the officer corps. The generals are largely political appointees who get the position by kissing ass - Patreus is a great example. Never saw a day of combat in his life, he just played the game, married the right woman, etc. Said the right things to the political class and became their darling. They aren't much better than a Soviet era political commissar. Most are incompetent micromanagers.

    The smart and tough ones who lead combat units rarely make it above colonel. A lot just make it to Lt. Colonel and that's it. They simply aren't trusted by the political ruling class. Now these guys, even without the top brass have the chops to plan strategy and set ROE's with no problem. Robots they are not.

    They know when they are being screwed over as well. We lost a lot of captains and majors to resignations during the Iraq war because of their distrust of the higher rank.

    In fact they could pull off a coup with no problem. Bring in a air assault battalion and it would all over before the day is done. And I don't think most Americans would mind given what nest of anti-American scumbags D.C. has become.

    Well said.

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  113. @Guy de Champlagne
    I'm not entirely sure what you're saying but red state america would be another group of conservatives who, like the military, basically suck if you look at them rationally and therefore shouldn't be held up as any kind of example or be given more influence.

    but red state america would be another group of conservatives who, like the military, basically suck

    The fact that you have a right to vote in America, given your shortcomings, is almost enough to make me embrace a Derbyshire level of pessimism. But then despair is a sin.

    And you are just another victim of public education:

    Blame my raising on my name
    Blame my name on my raising
    Blame my lack of knowing better on public education
    Brothers Osborne – It Ain’t My Fault

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