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From the New York Times:

Ta-Nehisi Coates Is Leaving The Atlantic

By Jacey Fortin
July 20, 2018

Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States, is leaving his position as a national correspondent for The Atlantic after a decade with the magazine, its top editor said Friday.

Mr. Coates, 42, gained a wide readership during his time at The Atlantic, where he published sweeping, painstakingly reported essays about systemic racism and white supremacy in the United States.

Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

He has written about the black people who were killed by their neighbors, the police or perfect strangers during those years — including Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Renisha McBride — and about an old friend of his, Prince Jones, who was killed by the police in 2000.

But his best-known pieces for the magazine are his long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …

Mr. Coates did not respond immediately to a request for comment on Friday, but he told Erik Wemple of The Washington Post that his public prominence was a factor in his decision to step down. …

Mr. Coates also left Twitter recently, after he was publicly criticized by the Harvard philosopher and civil rights activist Cornel West, who called him “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle.”

Outside of his work at The Atlantic, Mr. Coates’s books have won critical acclaim. “Between the World and Me,” which was written as a letter to his son and mined the experience of being black in America (and, briefly, in France), was hailed by Toni Morrison and won the National Book Award in 2015. …

In 2015, he received what is known as a genius grant from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics.

 
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  1. Somehow or other the Republic will survive (just barely)!

    • Replies: @SMK
    It depends on what you mean by "survive."
  2. Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

    You know Steve, I’m starting to think that you might be right about writers from the NYTIMES occasionally slipping the occasional dig into their articles….

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Imagine you are a liberal columnist for the NYT. Despite your political views, you ground it out as a beat reporter for a decade, worked your ass off for another, climbed the ladder, tried to play the game right, and became a decent writer.

    Then you see the supersonic ascent of TNC, a mediocre, narcissistic diversity hire, complaining about his imagined struggles as a black man to a white audience. Your resentment has to be two fold, right? Because not only do you know TNC is a fraud, but you also know that if you say anything critical of him your long fought career is over instantaneously.

    Based on that yeah, I'd find ways to insert subtle digs against him as well.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.
  3. Truly, we are living in one those rare historical moments when great minds abound.

  4. In 2015, he received what is known as a genius grant from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics.

    Leftists are beyond parody.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Coates writes "Black Panther"?

    I watched Black Panther on cable last night. It was indeed very comic booky. It is really no more preposterous than "The Fantastic Four". I liked the magic herb that gives you super powers. It's not as memorable as Spiderman's radioactive spider bite but it is reversible - that's new.

    Does Stan Lee really come up with these ideas? Or is it "genius" Coates?
    , @Anonymous
    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing, is strong evidence that it they are extreme views.
  5. Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account

    • Replies: @D. K.
    So will you, Big Dick:

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/11/race-differences-in-rates-of-venereal-disease-std-sti/
    , @Anonymous
    Fer cryin' out loud, Steve. You let this through and my posts wait for days.

    Jeez :(
    , @Prester John
    Duckie's alter ego?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Welcome, Enormous. You stole the show in Kentucky Fried Movie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lydiy-VcB_4
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Is that a misspelling of Enormous Cack?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94m_P4-0wXw
  6. He is off to Australia to give a few money making speeches http://ta-nehisicoates.com/events/
    Anyone know what his speaking fee is at a university? I am guessing $30,ooo.

    He might have made a lot of money from>>>>
    Between the World and Me
    Hardcover – July 14, 2015
    by Ta-Nehisi Coates (Author)
    4.6 out of 5 stars 3,886 customer reviews (Amazon)

  7. There’s something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody’s favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn’t the case here. Here’s my bet, and let’s see how it plays out: I think it’s been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected–Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg’s support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    My acquaintance with Coates is almost exclusively from these pages. I saw his name referred to once in a popular book written by an academic. Heard a few minutes of an interview with him on radio. I think he was on a Sunday morning blab show working standard-issue skin politics, nothing remarkable. I don't know much about Coates's work, and just never mustered much curiosity.

    Between the World and Me was an awful title, the clunky parallelism (?) sounding sort of megalomaniacal.

    Yeah, I can sort of imagine an intellectual hustler, a Goldberg (?), offering a Faustian deal to play impresario to a moderately talented Black writer. When your product hits its "best before" date, dump it.
    , @Alden
    When I saw the title I assumed Nehi Cola had been asked to resign for some reason.
    , @gate666
    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?
    , @sayless
    The Atlantic wanted a black writer covering race issues on their masthead, fine, but why did they pick him? He's embarrassing. They would have done better if they'd just advertised and asked for a sample essay. There's talent out there.

    I think he was brought on because he delivers the plain word of black complaining and harking-back, so readers have the comfort of the familiar. But they aren't threatened, because he's manifestly stupid. Coates's trajectory must be galling to real black intellectuals.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I'm thinking something more on the lines of mental breakdown.

    I don't know much of his oevre apart from what he wrote at Slate some five years ago; he sounded like a nice but oversensitive boy. By virtue of being black, espousing the correct politics, and lacking the thug attitude so common among African Americans, he has risen much above the station his intelect would allow - and I think he knows and feels bad it. This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.
    , @International Jew
    It's nothing so mysterious or nefarious. It's just that writing for The Atlantic isn't that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn't need The Atlantic. He may deign to sell them an essay now and then, but otherwise he's going to do great giving speeches and writing books as his own brand. He'll be president of an Ivy League university for a while, president of a major foundation, etc.

    Yes, we live in a nutty world.

    BTW I finally got kicked out of that ladies' book club (which people here poked fun at a few months ago) after I made a few critical comments too many the month our book was Between the World and Me. But there was a cumulation of smaller offenses leading up to that.

  8. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    This must deeply disappoint editor Goldberg, who once memorably affirmed his willingness to “take a bullet” for Mr. Coates.

  9. I’ve often wondered what it must be like to be one of the kids these mags hire as proof readers and fact checkers. Way back in the olden thymes when I was in college, I interviewed for a proof reader position at the Atlantic. They hired college kids for the job back then. Maybe it is different now.

    Imagine having to read the raw crap Coates writes, as a poorly paid college kid, knowing that idiot is a highly paid public intellectual. Then again, the sort of people who take the job are fanatics who believe int he cause so deeply, they probably enjoy it.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

     

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It's pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html
    , @njguy73
    You should see the movie Shattered Glass.
    , @Barnard
    I doubt they would assign his stuff to anyone who isn't a true believer already. Having to consistently edit it might cure a person of thinking he is a genius though. They couldn't assign a person who thinks he is white. Can you imagine how Coates would react if a white person tried to point out an error in his work?
  10. I am disappointed tha there is no witty, funny, or perceptive comments from Sailer on this news.

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    It's hard to top the punchline in the article itself.
  11. If Tennessee Coates was all he was cracked up to be, the announcement would’ve been about the new deal he’d cut for his next project, i.e. who was hiring him away from The Atlantic for big bucks. His ‘prominence’ would be all about writing his own ticket, etc.

    Instead, the announcement is he’s resigning from The Atlantic. Ho-Hum. >Yawn<

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, EdwardM
  12. Interesting ad placement in this article on Coates leaving the Atlantic.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    No trolling necessary. Coates won a MacArthur Genius Award so it is unsurprising that an internet algorithm suggested an advertisement relating to IQ.
  13. How much more ridiculous can things get? Look back to 100, even 50 years ago and what kind of country we were, and try to imagine how it could ever get like this. What you wrote about here is the kind of thing that should make everyone realize that we are at the peak of … something…. peak … peak … what? Anyone? Anyone? Achmed?

    • Replies: @PSR
    Human civilization?
    , @Drapetomaniac
    Peak dementing process.
    , @dieter kief
    Peak fun, Achmed, see? - : - "In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics."
    - Now - - it's your turn to produce a refreshing laughter, isn't it?.
  14. The Black Panther, eh? I wonder if it was TNC’s genius to use Peppa Pig narration in Black Panther.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Here is a sample of Peppa Pig narration, FYI. Notably, an omnipresent British voice, stating the obvious.

    https://youtu.be/Z8c_ncOzJBk
  15. Who will be the next numinous negro employed by Goldberg? Luckily for his tabloid, there isn’t exactly a shortage of black people brighter – and more photogenic – than TNC. Many of them even hate wypipo as much as he.

  16. Coates could pretty much choose any University in the United States and live the more secure and docile academic life. Harvard and Stanford would have a bidding war for his presence.

    Academic life will allow him time to still write his books and it pays much better than writing for bankrupt magazines. If Coates joins academia, nothing will prevent him from contributing op-eds and working the gold-plated lecture circuit.

    He’s set for the next few years as his legacy is established. He is seen as the voice of the Obama years, something quite valuable on the Left. If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years.

    • Replies: @p s c
    Agree. Next job at Ivies, Stanford, or NYTimes.
    , @fitzhamilton
    Ta ha doesn’t even have a BA, let alone a MA or Phd. Dude doesn’t have the guild credential - he’s got no ticket to ride, I doubt they’ll ever let him onto an Ivy faculty. He left Howard before finishing his degree. Typical genius, Howard was wasting Ta ha’s time - he had the world to conquer; Ralph Ellison, Richard Wright and James Baldwin’s shoes to fill. Pick up one of his comics, you’ll see it’s true.

    Ta ha’s at least not quite as desperately pathetic as Maya Angelou, who ran around insisting on being addressed as “doctor” when she also never got a BA herself, and claimed the honorific based on the raft of honorary degrees she received..

    , @Anon
    He doesn't have the chops to teach intellects of that caliber.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years"

    Yeah just what we need a double-digit IQ, pontificating pseudo author, offering his automatically negative nonsensical "critique" of a guy who towers above him in intellect and wisdom.

    Anyone who credits this nit-wit, Coates" with an once of insight or acumen fits himself into the very same category of BSers.

    Authenticjazzman "mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.
  17. @Dave Pinsen
    Interesting ad placement in this article on Coates leaving the Atlantic.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1020447230812188679?s=21

    No trolling necessary. Coates won a MacArthur Genius Award so it is unsurprising that an internet algorithm suggested an advertisement relating to IQ.

    • Replies: @Mike1
    Both of these posts are good examples of how clueless people are about technical issues. The ad appeared due to the posters search history.
  18. @Enormous Cock
    Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account
    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I think perhaps that Mr. E.C. was parodying Tiny Duck.
  19. @The Z Blog
    I've often wondered what it must be like to be one of the kids these mags hire as proof readers and fact checkers. Way back in the olden thymes when I was in college, I interviewed for a proof reader position at the Atlantic. They hired college kids for the job back then. Maybe it is different now.

    Imagine having to read the raw crap Coates writes, as a poorly paid college kid, knowing that idiot is a highly paid public intellectual. Then again, the sort of people who take the job are fanatics who believe int he cause so deeply, they probably enjoy it.

    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”

    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Very interesting analysis.

    I read some of Tagenius writings at Slate years ago. It felt like reading the complaints of the shy sensitive kid who cries at when others look angry at him. He sounded less aggressive than the other writers, but was too prone to self-victimization even by Slate's standards.
    , @Big Bill
    I think they got tired of him. Let's face it, there's only so long you can wonder and marvel at someone searching for the right word until you say, "goddammit, just spit it out!"

    That and moving to Paris to write the Great American Comic Book with the MacArthur genius money. You know they were just grinding their teeth over that, imagining the limpid prose that would drip from their pen if they were selected as an Official Parisian Genius.

    So. Big Question. Who is the next Numinous Negro the Goldbergs are going to sponsor now that this one is off writing Captain America comic books?
    , @Nicholas Stix
    Excellent comment-essay, syonredux, except for the bit about James Baldwin.

    Baldwin and TNC are both exemplars of the Black School of Rhetorical Bombast. TNC does not represent decline. Baldwin's bombast may have been more stylish than TNC's, but he was still an awful writer.
    , @Anonym
    It's not condescention, it's wonderment looking at a Negroid Feynman.

    Thry should translate Koko's best insights too and include those in the Atlantic.

    https://youtu.be/SNuZ4OE6vCk
  20. Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States…

    That should be, “Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most foremost intellectuals and writers in the United States…”

    • Replies: @Anon
    The most hyped and promoted.

    Used to be Gladwell. But maybe he was too white, too SWPL. Also, he noticed Jewish Power is thesis about David and Goliath. Boy, did his star fall fast. It didn't take 10,000 hrs of crime think. Just a few words.
  21. @Achmed E. Newman
    How much more ridiculous can things get? Look back to 100, even 50 years ago and what kind of country we were, and try to imagine how it could ever get like this. What you wrote about here is the kind of thing that should make everyone realize that we are at the peak of ... something.... peak ... peak ... what? Anyone? Anyone? Achmed?

    Human civilization?

  22. Deja Vu?

    I seem to recall a younger Tennessee Coats announcing that he was about to locate in Paris.

    I nonetheless wish him a pleasant permanent departure.

  23. @Clifford Brown
    Coates could pretty much choose any University in the United States and live the more secure and docile academic life. Harvard and Stanford would have a bidding war for his presence.

    Academic life will allow him time to still write his books and it pays much better than writing for bankrupt magazines. If Coates joins academia, nothing will prevent him from contributing op-eds and working the gold-plated lecture circuit.

    He's set for the next few years as his legacy is established. He is seen as the voice of the Obama years, something quite valuable on the Left. If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years.

    Agree. Next job at Ivies, Stanford, or NYTimes.

  24. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s all about the hair.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Jacey+Fortin&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKpOaQzrHcAhVHYK0KHcZvCLkQ_AUICygC&biw=1024&bih=643

    Jews sure love to use blacks to bleat about ‘white supremacism’ so that people won’t notice US is Jewish dominated.

  25. @Harry Baldwin
    Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States...

    That should be, "Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most foremost intellectuals and writers in the United States..."

    The most hyped and promoted.

    Used to be Gladwell. But maybe he was too white, too SWPL. Also, he noticed Jewish Power is thesis about David and Goliath. Boy, did his star fall fast. It didn’t take 10,000 hrs of crime think. Just a few words.

  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    How much more ridiculous can things get? Look back to 100, even 50 years ago and what kind of country we were, and try to imagine how it could ever get like this. What you wrote about here is the kind of thing that should make everyone realize that we are at the peak of ... something.... peak ... peak ... what? Anyone? Anyone? Achmed?

    Peak dementing process.

  27. @syonredux
    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

     

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It's pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    Very interesting analysis.

    I read some of Tagenius writings at Slate years ago. It felt like reading the complaints of the shy sensitive kid who cries at when others look angry at him. He sounded less aggressive than the other writers, but was too prone to self-victimization even by Slate’s standards.

  28. I wonder if losing the gig at The Atlantic means less notoriety for Ta going forward?

  29. I always thought that Tennessee Coates’ status as a “superstar intellectual” was a perfect representation of the old cliche “the bigotry of low expectations”.  I used to read his blog occasionally around 2010-2011 or so, he still had the horrible overwrought prose, but he sometimes made interesting and intelligent points.  While he certainly was never a genius, I think he is a lot more intelligent than his later writing w would lead one to believe.

    When he decided to go the full racial grievance hustler route, he dumbed down his writing a lot.  His “book” (is it honestly long enough to be considered a book?) Is just crap in every aspect-poorly written, poorly argued, and makes no coherent intellectual arguments at all.  When I took the 45 minutes or so to read “Between the World and Me” I honestly thought it read like something written by a low IQ middle or high school aged kid, Of course, it was only after he dumbed down his work and only wrote about racial grievances that he skyrocketed to his current superstar intellectual status.

    White liberals couldn’t praise that crappy book enough. Colleges were putting it on their summer reading lists. No white critic at any place more mainstream than Unz or Taki would tell the obvious truth about the book. College kids were reading “Between the World and Me” and being told that it represented the epitome of black intellectual thought.

    Smart black intellectuals like Glen Loury and John McWhorter destroyed Coates’ stupid writings every time they discussed him. Even pseudointellectual types like Cornel West saw right through him and called him out for being a phony.

    Coates’ is no genius but he is a lot smarter than his book would suggest. He knew that every time some white intellectual praised his book they were lying, their praise being nothing more than condescension and white guilt. For all his talk about white racism, Coates’ success came from nothing more than condescending white liberals trying to assuage their white guilt. That is why Coates was so uncomfortable with his success. I sincerely hope that Coates has actual talent at the comic book thing, maybe he’ll feel better doing something where he can actually earn his success.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Post-Black Panther being a big hit, he's probably got offers to script a superhero movie or two, so why not take it? That would pay a lot better than journalism.
  30. Hate to see him go — or is it go to see him hate?

  31. Yawn. Tell us when Ta-Nehisi Coates is Crossing the Atlantic

    That would be occasion to celebrate.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    I thought he moved to France to get away from the rest of us racists a couple of years ago.
  32. @Clifford Brown
    Coates could pretty much choose any University in the United States and live the more secure and docile academic life. Harvard and Stanford would have a bidding war for his presence.

    Academic life will allow him time to still write his books and it pays much better than writing for bankrupt magazines. If Coates joins academia, nothing will prevent him from contributing op-eds and working the gold-plated lecture circuit.

    He's set for the next few years as his legacy is established. He is seen as the voice of the Obama years, something quite valuable on the Left. If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years.

    Ta ha doesn’t even have a BA, let alone a MA or Phd. Dude doesn’t have the guild credential – he’s got no ticket to ride, I doubt they’ll ever let him onto an Ivy faculty. He left Howard before finishing his degree. Typical genius, Howard was wasting Ta ha’s time – he had the world to conquer; Ralph Ellison, Richard Wright and James Baldwin’s shoes to fill. Pick up one of his comics, you’ll see it’s true.

    Ta ha’s at least not quite as desperately pathetic as Maya Angelou, who ran around insisting on being addressed as “doctor” when she also never got a BA herself, and claimed the honorific based on the raft of honorary degrees she received..

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Joe Biden's wife Jill demands to be addressed as "Doctor" because of her D-Ed.
    , @Anonymous
    IIRC, Ella Fitzgerald also insisted on being called 'doctor' near the end of her life.
  33. @The Z Blog
    I've often wondered what it must be like to be one of the kids these mags hire as proof readers and fact checkers. Way back in the olden thymes when I was in college, I interviewed for a proof reader position at the Atlantic. They hired college kids for the job back then. Maybe it is different now.

    Imagine having to read the raw crap Coates writes, as a poorly paid college kid, knowing that idiot is a highly paid public intellectual. Then again, the sort of people who take the job are fanatics who believe int he cause so deeply, they probably enjoy it.

    You should see the movie Shattered Glass.

  34. @The Z Blog
    I've often wondered what it must be like to be one of the kids these mags hire as proof readers and fact checkers. Way back in the olden thymes when I was in college, I interviewed for a proof reader position at the Atlantic. They hired college kids for the job back then. Maybe it is different now.

    Imagine having to read the raw crap Coates writes, as a poorly paid college kid, knowing that idiot is a highly paid public intellectual. Then again, the sort of people who take the job are fanatics who believe int he cause so deeply, they probably enjoy it.

    I doubt they would assign his stuff to anyone who isn’t a true believer already. Having to consistently edit it might cure a person of thinking he is a genius though. They couldn’t assign a person who thinks he is white. Can you imagine how Coates would react if a white person tried to point out an error in his work?

  35. @Reg Cæsar
    Yawn. Tell us when Ta-Nehisi Coates is Crossing the Atlantic

    That would be occasion to celebrate.

    I thought he moved to France to get away from the rest of us racists a couple of years ago.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I thought he moved to France to get away from the rest of us racists a couple of years ago.
     
    France crossed the Mediterranean long ago.
  36. @Anonym
    The Black Panther, eh? I wonder if it was TNC's genius to use Peppa Pig narration in Black Panther.

    Here is a sample of Peppa Pig narration, FYI. Notably, an omnipresent British voice, stating the obvious.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Note the mandatory gender roles reversal, with Daddy Pig fixing a meal while Mummy Pig does "important work," at least until the computer needs mending and she takes over the meal. Because Gender-Fluid.
  37. @syonredux

    Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …
     
    You know Steve, I'm starting to think that you might be right about writers from the NYTIMES occasionally slipping the occasional dig into their articles....

    Imagine you are a liberal columnist for the NYT. Despite your political views, you ground it out as a beat reporter for a decade, worked your ass off for another, climbed the ladder, tried to play the game right, and became a decent writer.

    Then you see the supersonic ascent of TNC, a mediocre, narcissistic diversity hire, complaining about his imagined struggles as a black man to a white audience. Your resentment has to be two fold, right? Because not only do you know TNC is a fraud, but you also know that if you say anything critical of him your long fought career is over instantaneously.

    Based on that yeah, I’d find ways to insert subtle digs against him as well.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Back in the early '80s, I was doing freelance graphics work at the NYT. The following is from a conversation I overheard between two suits walking down a hall in front of me:

    SUIT 1: We don't have much affirmative-action here.
    SUIT 2: Well, there's Michiko Kakutani...
    SUIT 1: I don't think of her as affirmative-action--she's actually good.
  38. @syonredux
    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

     

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It's pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    I think they got tired of him. Let’s face it, there’s only so long you can wonder and marvel at someone searching for the right word until you say, “goddammit, just spit it out!”

    That and moving to Paris to write the Great American Comic Book with the MacArthur genius money. You know they were just grinding their teeth over that, imagining the limpid prose that would drip from their pen if they were selected as an Official Parisian Genius.

    So. Big Question. Who is the next Numinous Negro the Goldbergs are going to sponsor now that this one is off writing Captain America comic books?

  39. Back when The Atlantic had Disqus comments, they were always turned off for anything by Coates, which told me something about Coates.

    • Replies: @SWVirginian
    Back in 2008, you may remember that there was a dustup about the New Black Panther Party using voter intimidation against white people at a polling place in PA. I want to say it was Philadelphia. Obama later dropped the charges as he ginned up his wail about voter suppression via voter ID etc.

    TNC was going on about how requesting voter ID in order to vote was voter intimidation against minorities, etc. in the Atlantic. Naturally a few people brought up the real voter intimidation by the NBPP. TNC's reaction was to note that bringing up this subject was a good way to get your comment deleted. As he set the standards for comments on his writing, I guess he could do that.

    I'm all for moderating comments - who bothers with WAPO comments these days as they are appallingly bad? - but this was nothing more than suppressing factual info that didn't coincide with the narrative.

    My guess is that the Atlantic simply shut off comments on TNC to avoid being called out on his selective 'editing'.
  40. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    My acquaintance with Coates is almost exclusively from these pages. I saw his name referred to once in a popular book written by an academic. Heard a few minutes of an interview with him on radio. I think he was on a Sunday morning blab show working standard-issue skin politics, nothing remarkable. I don’t know much about Coates’s work, and just never mustered much curiosity.

    Between the World and Me was an awful title, the clunky parallelism (?) sounding sort of megalomaniacal.

    Yeah, I can sort of imagine an intellectual hustler, a Goldberg (?), offering a Faustian deal to play impresario to a moderately talented Black writer. When your product hits its “best before” date, dump it.

  41. CCZ says:

    Ta-Nehisi may be the world’s greatest living black male thinker, but what about women? He may have some competition from Dr. Victoria Bateman of Cambridge University when the subject turns to who truly made the West rich and where the real oppression is found. In addition to her writings, she is an avid and artistic presenter of her work. And her presentations clearly surpass those of Coates.

    Dr. Bateman recently presented “What can economics learn from feminism” and examined “the secret story of how women made the West rich” and “the implicit gender biases within mainstream economic theory.”

    • Replies: @CCZ
    “Feminism meets economics” in box originally linked to Twitter video of July 20th posted by @RitaPanahi. System seems to have deleted image.

    Try again (or go to @RitaPanahi Twitter July 20 post).

    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1020486061426802688
  42. Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States,..

    Yes, and that explains a lot about contemporary America.

    Mr. Coates, 42, gained a wide readership during his time at The Atlantic, where he published sweeping, painstakingly reported essays about systemic racism and white supremacy in the United States.

    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn’t say “painstakingly researched”.

    Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

    He has written about the black people who were killed by their neighbors, the police or perfect strangers during those years — including Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Renisha McBride — and about an old friend of his, Prince Jones, who was killed by the police in 2000.

    But his best-known pieces for the magazine are his long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …

    So he has written about the whole diverse gamut of the human comedy – from the experience of being black in America to………………to the experince of being an American who is black.

    Blackity black blackness, 24/7, 365 per annum.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I think Ta-Nehisi leaves the house to do painstaking reporting about as often as I do. Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there's that.
    , @Anonymous

    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn’t say “painstakingly researched”.
     
    Good catch. OTOH, it's hard work making things up out of whole cloth.

    J/K, actually it's pretty easy.
  43. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is this an announcement? He was one of the hundreds of contributing writers on their writers page, who contribute in a power curve manner, the bottom 80 percent with no bylines in the past year. He didn’t work in the company’s offices. He has not written much recently. Most such people just stop contributing and let things fade out without an announcement. Eventually the publication does a Spring cleaning and purges their writers list of the inactive writers.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    They didn't want to be accused of anything. We'll see if it works....
  44. @D. K.
    So will you, Big Dick:

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/11/race-differences-in-rates-of-venereal-disease-std-sti/

    I think perhaps that Mr. E.C. was parodying Tiny Duck.

  45. It must be supremely galling for real thinkers like Sailer and Derb to witness the widespread worship of that airhead.

  46. How does Ta-Nehisi Coates stack up against Leonard Pitts though? That is the real question.

    Truly, we live in an age of giants.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Good point. Poor Leonard Pitts. Grinds away for years only to have this poseur Coates swoop in and steal his thunder.
  47. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    When I saw the title I assumed Nehi Cola had been asked to resign for some reason.

  48. “long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …”

    I understand “long,” but what does “deeply reported” mean, in relation to TNC?

    Is it like the oeuvre of Sabrina Rubin Erdely?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I understand “long,” but what does “deeply reported” mean, in relation to TNC?
     
    I take it to be the legacy print media's attempt to Big Lie their way out of the open secret that they no longer do serious investigative journalism. Proffering Tanya He/She Wrotes as some sort of intellectual paragon is just doubling down on the maxim that "diversity is our strength."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I understand “long,” but what does “deeply reported” mean, in relation to TNC?
     
    Perhaps it is meant in the same fashion as Norm MacDonald calling himself a "deeply closeted gay man".

    Now, if it were "deeply researched", well, that would set dirty minds to work.
    , @Kylie
    It means a black wrote it.
  49. @syonredux
    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

     

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It's pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    Excellent comment-essay, syonredux, except for the bit about James Baldwin.

    Baldwin and TNC are both exemplars of the Black School of Rhetorical Bombast. TNC does not represent decline. Baldwin’s bombast may have been more stylish than TNC’s, but he was still an awful writer.

    • Agree: sayless
  50. @Mr. Anon

    Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States,..
     
    Yes, and that explains a lot about contemporary America.

    Mr. Coates, 42, gained a wide readership during his time at The Atlantic, where he published sweeping, painstakingly reported essays about systemic racism and white supremacy in the United States.
     
    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn't say "painstakingly researched".

    Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

    He has written about the black people who were killed by their neighbors, the police or perfect strangers during those years — including Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Renisha McBride — and about an old friend of his, Prince Jones, who was killed by the police in 2000.

    But his best-known pieces for the magazine are his long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …
     
    So he has written about the whole diverse gamut of the human comedy - from the experience of being black in America to..................to the experince of being an American who is black.

    Blackity black blackness, 24/7, 365 per annum.

    I think Ta-Nehisi leaves the house to do painstaking reporting about as often as I do. Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there’s that.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin, Kylie
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there’s that.
     
    I hope he wasn't wearing Crocs.
    , @WowJustWow
    He's like Thomas Friedman, giving the masses the juicy inside scoop on how many McDonalds restaurants he can see from the penthouse of a five-star hotel, but on a much lower budget.
    , @Anonymous
    Brilliant. I'll never forget that unspeakable acronym that unspeakable woman spoke.
  51. @Nicholas Stix
    "long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …"

    I understand "long," but what does "deeply reported" mean, in relation to TNC?

    Is it like the oeuvre of Sabrina Rubin Erdely?

    I understand “long,” but what does “deeply reported” mean, in relation to TNC?

    I take it to be the legacy print media’s attempt to Big Lie their way out of the open secret that they no longer do serious investigative journalism. Proffering Tanya He/She Wrotes as some sort of intellectual paragon is just doubling down on the maxim that “diversity is our strength.”

  52. @Cool Arrow
    I always thought that Tennessee Coates' status as a "superstar intellectual" was a perfect representation of the old cliche "the bigotry of low expectations".  I used to read his blog occasionally around 2010-2011 or so, he still had the horrible overwrought prose, but he sometimes made interesting and intelligent points.  While he certainly was never a genius, I think he is a lot more intelligent than his later writing w would lead one to believe.

    When he decided to go the full racial grievance hustler route, he dumbed down his writing a lot.  His "book" (is it honestly long enough to be considered a book?) Is just crap in every aspect-poorly written, poorly argued, and makes no coherent intellectual arguments at all.  When I took the 45 minutes or so to read "Between the World and Me" I honestly thought it read like something written by a low IQ middle or high school aged kid, Of course, it was only after he dumbed down his work and only wrote about racial grievances that he skyrocketed to his current superstar intellectual status.

    White liberals couldn't praise that crappy book enough. Colleges were putting it on their summer reading lists. No white critic at any place more mainstream than Unz or Taki would tell the obvious truth about the book. College kids were reading "Between the World and Me" and being told that it represented the epitome of black intellectual thought.

    Smart black intellectuals like Glen Loury and John McWhorter destroyed Coates' stupid writings every time they discussed him. Even pseudointellectual types like Cornel West saw right through him and called him out for being a phony.

    Coates' is no genius but he is a lot smarter than his book would suggest. He knew that every time some white intellectual praised his book they were lying, their praise being nothing more than condescension and white guilt. For all his talk about white racism, Coates' success came from nothing more than condescending white liberals trying to assuage their white guilt. That is why Coates was so uncomfortable with his success. I sincerely hope that Coates has actual talent at the comic book thing, maybe he'll feel better doing something where he can actually earn his success.

    Post-Black Panther being a big hit, he’s probably got offers to script a superhero movie or two, so why not take it? That would pay a lot better than journalism.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    I think Ta-Nehisi leaves the house to do painstaking reporting about as often as I do. Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there's that.

    Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there’s that.

    I hope he wasn’t wearing Crocs.

  54. @Nicholas Stix
    "long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …"

    I understand "long," but what does "deeply reported" mean, in relation to TNC?

    Is it like the oeuvre of Sabrina Rubin Erdely?

    I understand “long,” but what does “deeply reported” mean, in relation to TNC?

    Perhaps it is meant in the same fashion as Norm MacDonald calling himself a “deeply closeted gay man”.

    Now, if it were “deeply researched“, well, that would set dirty minds to work.

  55. @Clifford Brown
    Coates could pretty much choose any University in the United States and live the more secure and docile academic life. Harvard and Stanford would have a bidding war for his presence.

    Academic life will allow him time to still write his books and it pays much better than writing for bankrupt magazines. If Coates joins academia, nothing will prevent him from contributing op-eds and working the gold-plated lecture circuit.

    He's set for the next few years as his legacy is established. He is seen as the voice of the Obama years, something quite valuable on the Left. If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years.

    He doesn’t have the chops to teach intellects of that caliber.

  56. Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

    Literally a modern Emmanuel Kant.

    “Tenessee Can’t.”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  57. @CCZ
    Ta-Nehisi may be the world's greatest living black male thinker, but what about women? He may have some competition from Dr. Victoria Bateman of Cambridge University when the subject turns to who truly made the West rich and where the real oppression is found. In addition to her writings, she is an avid and artistic presenter of her work. And her presentations clearly surpass those of Coates.

    Dr. Bateman recently presented "What can economics learn from feminism" and examined "the secret story of how women made the West rich" and "the implicit gender biases within mainstream economic theory."

    https://twitter.com/ritapanahi/status/1020461531509579776

    “Feminism meets economics” in box originally linked to Twitter video of July 20th posted by @RitaPanahi. System seems to have deleted image.

    Try again (or go to @RitaPanahi Twitter July 20 post).

  58. @Steve Sailer
    I think Ta-Nehisi leaves the house to do painstaking reporting about as often as I do. Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there's that.

    He’s like Thomas Friedman, giving the masses the juicy inside scoop on how many McDonalds restaurants he can see from the penthouse of a five-star hotel, but on a much lower budget.

  59. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Because they are mostly true?

    The politicial ones at least.

    The one with chemtrails, pyramids, Area 52, fluorine and Hitler's flying saucers are shit though.

    No, "global warming" is not a conspiracy theory, we gotta deal with that problem.

    For Saturday Night, unless drinking till the morning is on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2cDKyFdyU
    , @Alec Leamas

    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?
     
    What is a conspiracy theory but the notion that the people with all of the money and all of the power might - just might - have a plan?
    , @WJ
    Conspiracy theories like Trump colluded directly with Putin to beat HRC or the Russians caused HRC to lose in 2016 through a bot campaign .... You mean those altright conspiracy theories? My guess would be that you adhere to favorite bat crap crazy theories also.
    , @Ragno
    "The world is thick with dishonest people, and they don’t always act alone. They have a way of finding each other and acting corporately. Even “the D.C. sniper” turned out to be a team." - Joe Sobran
  60. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Enormous Cock
    Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account

    Fer cryin’ out loud, Steve. You let this through and my posts wait for days.

    Jeez 🙁

  61. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Ta-Nehisi Coates, among the most influential intellectuals and writers in the United States,..
     
    Yes, and that explains a lot about contemporary America.

    Mr. Coates, 42, gained a wide readership during his time at The Atlantic, where he published sweeping, painstakingly reported essays about systemic racism and white supremacy in the United States.
     
    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn't say "painstakingly researched".

    Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …

    He has written about the black people who were killed by their neighbors, the police or perfect strangers during those years — including Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Renisha McBride — and about an old friend of his, Prince Jones, who was killed by the police in 2000.

    But his best-known pieces for the magazine are his long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …
     
    So he has written about the whole diverse gamut of the human comedy - from the experience of being black in America to..................to the experince of being an American who is black.

    Blackity black blackness, 24/7, 365 per annum.

    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn’t say “painstakingly researched”.

    Good catch. OTOH, it’s hard work making things up out of whole cloth.

    J/K, actually it’s pretty easy.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    It means you suffer to put coherent sentences onto paper. On every single line.

    It's actually a brilliant underhanded sleight. Something you could use in a diss rap.
  62. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I think Ta-Nehisi leaves the house to do painstaking reporting about as often as I do. Although he did take an escalator ride at a movie theater once, so there's that.

    Brilliant. I’ll never forget that unspeakable acronym that unspeakable woman spoke.

  63. Hey, yo yo. Sneezy Coats be leaving that stuffy rag The Atlantis and be taking his black body into Wakanda. Mo money, yo. Its in demand and he be taking it back. Lean back and watch as the bidding wars start for the most influenza black body once its loose on the marquee!

    The Black Web

  64. @Anonymous

    Painstakingly reported? What does that even mean? I noticed they didn’t say “painstakingly researched”.
     
    Good catch. OTOH, it's hard work making things up out of whole cloth.

    J/K, actually it's pretty easy.

    It means you suffer to put coherent sentences onto paper. On every single line.

    It’s actually a brilliant underhanded sleight. Something you could use in a diss rap.

  65. @gate666
    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    Because they are mostly true?

    The politicial ones at least.

    The one with chemtrails, pyramids, Area 52, fluorine and Hitler’s flying saucers are shit though.

    No, “global warming” is not a conspiracy theory, we gotta deal with that problem.

    For Saturday Night, unless drinking till the morning is on:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Goddammit Reagan was gud.

    Even if he got deepstated hard for retarded interventions of all kind.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Fluorine? That most active of halogens? That's not bullshit. If fluoride was such a good idea, andsaved so much money and improved public health so much, theEuropeans would be all over it. They're not.
  66. @El Dato
    Because they are mostly true?

    The politicial ones at least.

    The one with chemtrails, pyramids, Area 52, fluorine and Hitler's flying saucers are shit though.

    No, "global warming" is not a conspiracy theory, we gotta deal with that problem.

    For Saturday Night, unless drinking till the morning is on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2cDKyFdyU

    Goddammit Reagan was gud.

    Even if he got deepstated hard for retarded interventions of all kind.

  67. @Achmed E. Newman
    How much more ridiculous can things get? Look back to 100, even 50 years ago and what kind of country we were, and try to imagine how it could ever get like this. What you wrote about here is the kind of thing that should make everyone realize that we are at the peak of ... something.... peak ... peak ... what? Anyone? Anyone? Achmed?

    Peak fun, Achmed, see? – : – “In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics.”
    – Now – – it’s your turn to produce a refreshing laughter, isn’t it?.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You're getting very warm, Dieter (that idiom means close correct - comes from a kid's game). One hint - it's all in the URL, my friends.

    cc:

    PSR
    Drapetomaniac
  68. @syonredux
    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

     

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.It's pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    It’s not condescention, it’s wonderment looking at a Negroid Feynman.

    Thry should translate Koko’s best insights too and include those in the Atlantic.

  69. I’m going to stop calling him Tennessee Coates, and begin calling him Takin-it-Easy Coates.

    Eh, he’ll always be Tennessee to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=234&v=6VCdJyOAQYM

    • Replies: @Ragno
    I prefer Te-Nehesi Tuxedo, but that's just me.
  70. @gate666
    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    What is a conspiracy theory but the notion that the people with all of the money and all of the power might – just might – have a plan?

  71. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    The Atlantic wanted a black writer covering race issues on their masthead, fine, but why did they pick him? He’s embarrassing. They would have done better if they’d just advertised and asked for a sample essay. There’s talent out there.

    I think he was brought on because he delivers the plain word of black complaining and harking-back, so readers have the comfort of the familiar. But they aren’t threatened, because he’s manifestly stupid. Coates’s trajectory must be galling to real black intellectuals.

  72. In 2015, he received what is known as a genius grant from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    …A “genius” who writes for comic books and didn’t know who St. Augustine was when his Jewish editor mentioned him in a conversation.

    But he be black!

  73. @gate666
    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    Conspiracy theories like Trump colluded directly with Putin to beat HRC or the Russians caused HRC to lose in 2016 through a bot campaign …. You mean those altright conspiracy theories? My guess would be that you adhere to favorite bat crap crazy theories also.

  74. @El Dato
    Because they are mostly true?

    The politicial ones at least.

    The one with chemtrails, pyramids, Area 52, fluorine and Hitler's flying saucers are shit though.

    No, "global warming" is not a conspiracy theory, we gotta deal with that problem.

    For Saturday Night, unless drinking till the morning is on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2cDKyFdyU

    Fluorine? That most active of halogens? That’s not bullshit. If fluoride was such a good idea, andsaved so much money and improved public health so much, theEuropeans would be all over it. They’re not.

  75. anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Awaiting news of lawsuit by Tennessee, #MeToo issues among staffers, and eventual confidential settlement(s).

  76. I want to see Denzel Washington‘s new movie The Equalizer 2 last night on the recommendation from Breitbart that it was not social justice warrior cant. That was a fail. It’s pure anti-Trump agitprop, built weakly on a Patriot Games’ frame.

    The movie references TNC‘s book throughout, and incoherently the movie honors Muslims immigrants, holocaust survivors, and black youths — of course the bad guys are either rich wasp rapists or government trained assassin’s – – and all white men.

    The only decent white guy, played by Bill Pullman, as a beta academic who writes books no one reads.

  77. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    I’m thinking something more on the lines of mental breakdown.

    I don’t know much of his oevre apart from what he wrote at Slate some five years ago; he sounded like a nice but oversensitive boy. By virtue of being black, espousing the correct politics, and lacking the thug attitude so common among African Americans, he has risen much above the station his intelect would allow – and I think he knows and feels bad it. This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yes, that seems possible.
    , @SMK
    No, I doubt that he knows he's a "fraud" and I'm sure he doesn't "feel bad" about his "genius award." I'm sure he thinks he's a great thinker, perhaps even a genius, for the same reason he thinks that he and all blacks are the victims of "racism" and the "legacy of slavery and segregation.' He's psychotic.
    , @Mr. Rational

    This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.
     
    This phenomenon has a name:  impostor syndrome.
  78. “The World’s Greatest Living Thinker”

    Jim Watson, I suppose. He always said that Crick was cleverer, but Watson has the advantage of still being alive.

  79. @fitzhamilton
    Ta ha doesn’t even have a BA, let alone a MA or Phd. Dude doesn’t have the guild credential - he’s got no ticket to ride, I doubt they’ll ever let him onto an Ivy faculty. He left Howard before finishing his degree. Typical genius, Howard was wasting Ta ha’s time - he had the world to conquer; Ralph Ellison, Richard Wright and James Baldwin’s shoes to fill. Pick up one of his comics, you’ll see it’s true.

    Ta ha’s at least not quite as desperately pathetic as Maya Angelou, who ran around insisting on being addressed as “doctor” when she also never got a BA herself, and claimed the honorific based on the raft of honorary degrees she received..

    Joe Biden’s wife Jill demands to be addressed as “Doctor” because of her D-Ed.

  80. I predicted this–he’s overpaid and yesterday’s news. Race hustling will soon be extinct as a profit-making enterprise. Negro fatigue is real, even among liberals

  81. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Imagine you are a liberal columnist for the NYT. Despite your political views, you ground it out as a beat reporter for a decade, worked your ass off for another, climbed the ladder, tried to play the game right, and became a decent writer.

    Then you see the supersonic ascent of TNC, a mediocre, narcissistic diversity hire, complaining about his imagined struggles as a black man to a white audience. Your resentment has to be two fold, right? Because not only do you know TNC is a fraud, but you also know that if you say anything critical of him your long fought career is over instantaneously.

    Based on that yeah, I'd find ways to insert subtle digs against him as well.

    Back in the early ’80s, I was doing freelance graphics work at the NYT. The following is from a conversation I overheard between two suits walking down a hall in front of me:

    SUIT 1: We don’t have much affirmative-action here.
    SUIT 2: Well, there’s Michiko Kakutani…
    SUIT 1: I don’t think of her as affirmative-action–she’s actually good.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    I like this (from London):

    "I run a very diverse group. I have a chap from Trinity Hall, a chap from Caius, another from Sidney Sussex, one from Peterhouse, and a girl from Oxford."
  82. @syonredux

    Mr. Coates, who was hired at The Atlantic in 2008, has written about a range of issues including politics, poverty, the Confederate battle flag, health care and his own name. …
     
    You know Steve, I'm starting to think that you might be right about writers from the NYTIMES occasionally slipping the occasional dig into their articles....

    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor – just come right out and say “This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time.” Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Just send it back in for a refund, Pat. Give them a good explanation and they'll take it.

    Billing Address:
    Pat Boyle, Anytown, USA
    Shipping Address: Same
    CC#: XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX
    Reason for Return: Author is a retard.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    This is why some books should be obtained through the public library.
    , @RonaldB
    In all honesty, every column Steve has written about Coates has dripped with humor, contempt and sarcasm. It was difficult to mistake his distaste for the guy. pointing out what a one-shot pony show Coates and his publications are,

    Reading two books a week is quite a notable feat. My only suggestion is, perhaps you should slow down your reading and make sure you catch the meaning.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    I first heard of Malcom Gladwell here at iSteve and his stuff sounded pedestrian, so I never read any of his books. T'Genius sounded like a 14 year old trying to write smart.

    Another two paths to fame and fortune that I missed out on. Sigh....
    , @BenKenobi

    I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.
     
    So you're familiar with Charles Blow and Leonard Pitts?
  83. @Enormous Cock
    Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account

    Duckie’s alter ego?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I'd suspect a certain clown who goes by Lance Cockstrong elsewhere, or someone doing a very good parody (it's not hard to do satire of someone so ridiculous).
  84. “Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan…”

    Why am I not surprised?

  85. @Bubba

    In 2015, he received what is known as a genius grant from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics.
     
    Leftists are beyond parody.

    Coates writes “Black Panther”?

    I watched Black Panther on cable last night. It was indeed very comic booky. It is really no more preposterous than “The Fantastic Four”. I liked the magic herb that gives you super powers. It’s not as memorable as Spiderman’s radioactive spider bite but it is reversible – that’s new.

    Does Stan Lee really come up with these ideas? Or is it “genius” Coates?

  86. Ta-Nehisi Coates possibly the worst comic book writer ever.

  87. @Harry Baldwin
    Back in the early '80s, I was doing freelance graphics work at the NYT. The following is from a conversation I overheard between two suits walking down a hall in front of me:

    SUIT 1: We don't have much affirmative-action here.
    SUIT 2: Well, there's Michiko Kakutani...
    SUIT 1: I don't think of her as affirmative-action--she's actually good.

    I like this (from London):

    “I run a very diverse group. I have a chap from Trinity Hall, a chap from Caius, another from Sidney Sussex, one from Peterhouse, and a girl from Oxford.”

  88. @Clifford Brown
    Coates could pretty much choose any University in the United States and live the more secure and docile academic life. Harvard and Stanford would have a bidding war for his presence.

    Academic life will allow him time to still write his books and it pays much better than writing for bankrupt magazines. If Coates joins academia, nothing will prevent him from contributing op-eds and working the gold-plated lecture circuit.

    He's set for the next few years as his legacy is established. He is seen as the voice of the Obama years, something quite valuable on the Left. If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years.

    ” If I was advising him, he should write his next book as a critique of the Trump years”

    Yeah just what we need a double-digit IQ, pontificating pseudo author, offering his automatically negative nonsensical “critique” of a guy who towers above him in intellect and wisdom.

    Anyone who credits this nit-wit, Coates” with an once of insight or acumen fits himself into the very same category of BSers.

    Authenticjazzman “mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  89. @Barnard
    I thought he moved to France to get away from the rest of us racists a couple of years ago.

    I thought he moved to France to get away from the rest of us racists a couple of years ago.

    France crossed the Mediterranean long ago.

  90. By Jacey Fortin

    A distant relative of Madonna, whose mother was a Fortin. A French-Canadian name.

  91. @Massimo Heitor
    I am disappointed tha there is no witty, funny, or perceptive comments from Sailer on this news.

    It’s hard to top the punchline in the article itself.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s hard to top the punchline in the article itself.
     
    Self-parody is difficult to parody.
  92. @Enormous Cock
    Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account

    Welcome, Enormous. You stole the show in Kentucky Fried Movie

  93. @C. Van Carter
    It's hard to top the punchline in the article itself.

    It’s hard to top the punchline in the article itself.

    Self-parody is difficult to parody.

  94. Coates is unfortunately the most influential writer in America, and IMO likely the root of the BLM riots of 2015 and 2016. Seriously. He was highly influential among the intellectual classes who create the news and that profoundly shaped coverage. His writing was very compelling, but ultimately it was filled with hatred and fear. I remember at one point there was talk about him being put on the NYT editorial board. He wrote a few trial columns and one of them was something about him being angry at a clerk at a grocery for thinking he might have stolen some yogurt. Of course he got the clerk fired for this.

    The Atlantic harmed the fabric of this country by elevating him. But it did do the Atlantic good.

    Coates probably left because he felt that he was being treated as a golem. Goldberg sucks up to him constantly, and the precipitating event was Kevin Williamson’s hiring decision and how Goldberg put Coates up there with him to defend the decision. Again, golem. He likely has detected that he is being used by Jewish interests.

    Interestingly, Coates has written about how he wants to write about Israel/Palestine, but he “just doesn’t have the time.” Traditionally, black nationalists like Coates have gone on to Palestinian advocacy, but Coates has shy’d away from this. He makes excuses about needing more time, but if you regularly read his blog like I did, that is clearly malarky. He often posted typos in his articles and he posted hasty personal reflections on writing and of course hasty demonizations of white people.

    But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers. Oddly enough, when in the comments section the topic turned to the parallels between Palestinians and black slaves, the entire mood of the place quickly became paranoid. One commentator warned that they were taking notes of what people wrote about Palestine. That had a chilling effect of course. A revelatory one as well.

    One last interesting note: Coates has never traveled to Africa. He famously spent a few years in France and learned the French language. Never learned an African language. Never been to Africa. France is a racist white power, with a nasty colonial history that is still on-going in Africa. It has held domination over many more Africans than the English powers. By going to France, he is in a way paying tribute to this racist white European colonial power. It was like he wanted to maintain that feeling of alienation and righteous grievance, and he didn’t know any other way of being. Like he doesn’t know how to live without the white master to resent and hate, but which he also relies on for approval and resources.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    "But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers."

    I don't know which comments section you're referring to, but the TNC I know had zero tolerance for critics. Virtually all commenters slavishly agreed with him. Most of those who disagreed with him, he banished permanently, in some cases (like that of yours truly) having them permablocked on all Atlantic blogs. Once I saw a guy disagree with him and survive, but the commenter was so nervous, with so many qualifications up front, that I don't think TNC realized the guy was disagreeing with him.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " His writing was very compelling"

    Bullshit. His writing is shallow, vacuous, and lacking all artistic slant.

    You are confessing that you have never read the works of a truely "compelling" author such as Goethe, or Homer, or Virgil, or GK Chesterton or Jack K , for that matter.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.
  95. @Mr. Anon
    How does Ta-Nehisi Coates stack up against Leonard Pitts though? That is the real question.

    Truly, we live in an age of giants.

    Good point. Poor Leonard Pitts. Grinds away for years only to have this poseur Coates swoop in and steal his thunder.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Poor Leonard Pitts.
     
    Poor Tiny Duck, who rides Leonard PItt's coattails. But for the grace of Pitts, goes he ...

    Sorry, I'm not Fish, but, you know, if he'd be around more often, I wouldn't have to do this.
    , @BB753
    Maybe Leonard Pitts can finally have a shot at celebrity, with his eloquent side-kick, Tiny Duck!
  96. @dieter kief
    Peak fun, Achmed, see? - : - "In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics."
    - Now - - it's your turn to produce a refreshing laughter, isn't it?.

    You’re getting very warm, Dieter (that idiom means close correct – comes from a kid’s game). One hint – it’s all in the URL, my friends.

    cc:

    PSR
    Drapetomaniac

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    "... close to correct - ..."
  97. @PapayaSF
    Back when The Atlantic had Disqus comments, they were always turned off for anything by Coates, which told me something about Coates.

    Back in 2008, you may remember that there was a dustup about the New Black Panther Party using voter intimidation against white people at a polling place in PA. I want to say it was Philadelphia. Obama later dropped the charges as he ginned up his wail about voter suppression via voter ID etc.

    TNC was going on about how requesting voter ID in order to vote was voter intimidation against minorities, etc. in the Atlantic. Naturally a few people brought up the real voter intimidation by the NBPP. TNC’s reaction was to note that bringing up this subject was a good way to get your comment deleted. As he set the standards for comments on his writing, I guess he could do that.

    I’m all for moderating comments – who bothers with WAPO comments these days as they are appallingly bad? – but this was nothing more than suppressing factual info that didn’t coincide with the narrative.

    My guess is that the Atlantic simply shut off comments on TNC to avoid being called out on his selective ‘editing’.

  98. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're getting very warm, Dieter (that idiom means close correct - comes from a kid's game). One hint - it's all in the URL, my friends.

    cc:

    PSR
    Drapetomaniac

    “… close to correct – …”

  99. @MBlanc46
    Good point. Poor Leonard Pitts. Grinds away for years only to have this poseur Coates swoop in and steal his thunder.

    Poor Leonard Pitts.

    Poor Tiny Duck, who rides Leonard PItt’s coattails. But for the grace of Pitts, goes he …

    Sorry, I’m not Fish, but, you know, if he’d be around more often, I wouldn’t have to do this.

  100. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I'm thinking something more on the lines of mental breakdown.

    I don't know much of his oevre apart from what he wrote at Slate some five years ago; he sounded like a nice but oversensitive boy. By virtue of being black, espousing the correct politics, and lacking the thug attitude so common among African Americans, he has risen much above the station his intelect would allow - and I think he knows and feels bad it. This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.

    Yes, that seems possible.

  101. @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    Just send it back in for a refund, Pat. Give them a good explanation and they’ll take it.

    Billing Address:
    Pat Boyle, Anytown, USA
    Shipping Address: Same
    CC#: XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX
    Reason for Return: Author is a retard.

  102. It would be nice if this starts a trend that sees The Atlantic return to read-worthy.

  103. Anonymous[458] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bubba

    In 2015, he received what is known as a genius grant from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    In recent years Mr. Coates, a Marvel Comics fan, has been writing Black Panther and Captain America comics.
     
    Leftists are beyond parody.

    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing, is strong evidence that it they are extreme views.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Good point! I think that is the modus operandi of very low IQ exploitation TV talk shows dating back to Phil Donahue, Jerry Springer, Geraldo and continuing today with The View and its execrable ilk.
    , @Mr. Rational

    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing
     
    This phenomenon is known as Poe's law.
  104. @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    This is why some books should be obtained through the public library.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  105. @Enormous Cock
    Between the World and Me is about a BILLION times more brillant and Beautiful and Blacker than any stuffy old dead white MEN like Shakespear or Rapist Jefferson or Isac Einstein. Someday you will be held to account

    Is that a misspelling of Enormous Cack?

  106. @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    In all honesty, every column Steve has written about Coates has dripped with humor, contempt and sarcasm. It was difficult to mistake his distaste for the guy. pointing out what a one-shot pony show Coates and his publications are,

    Reading two books a week is quite a notable feat. My only suggestion is, perhaps you should slow down your reading and make sure you catch the meaning.

  107. @Dan Hayes
    Somehow or other the Republic will survive (just barely)!

    It depends on what you mean by “survive.”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    SMK:

    Here "survive" connotates that the American public can do very well without the services of such a pretentious nonentity!
  108. SMK says: • Website
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I'm thinking something more on the lines of mental breakdown.

    I don't know much of his oevre apart from what he wrote at Slate some five years ago; he sounded like a nice but oversensitive boy. By virtue of being black, espousing the correct politics, and lacking the thug attitude so common among African Americans, he has risen much above the station his intelect would allow - and I think he knows and feels bad it. This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.

    No, I doubt that he knows he’s a “fraud” and I’m sure he doesn’t “feel bad” about his “genius award.” I’m sure he thinks he’s a great thinker, perhaps even a genius, for the same reason he thinks that he and all blacks are the victims of “racism” and the “legacy of slavery and segregation.’ He’s psychotic.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  109. anonymous[733] • Disclaimer says:

    It is Trump. Trump is addressing black grievances to the point that there is too little for blacks to complain about.

  110. @Anonymous
    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing, is strong evidence that it they are extreme views.

    Good point! I think that is the modus operandi of very low IQ exploitation TV talk shows dating back to Phil Donahue, Jerry Springer, Geraldo and continuing today with The View and its execrable ilk.

  111. @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    I first heard of Malcom Gladwell here at iSteve and his stuff sounded pedestrian, so I never read any of his books. T’Genius sounded like a 14 year old trying to write smart.

    Another two paths to fame and fortune that I missed out on. Sigh….

  112. Yes, but are they painstakingly or deeply reported comics?

  113. @Anon
    Why is this an announcement? He was one of the hundreds of contributing writers on their writers page, who contribute in a power curve manner, the bottom 80 percent with no bylines in the past year. He didn't work in the company's offices. He has not written much recently. Most such people just stop contributing and let things fade out without an announcement. Eventually the publication does a Spring cleaning and purges their writers list of the inactive writers.

    They didn’t want to be accused of anything. We’ll see if it works….

  114. @The Man From K Street
    There's something not being said out loud as to why the Atlantic is losing its star, and it will be interesting to find out what the real reasons are.

    Everybody's favorite theory, #metoo, I will bet isn't the case here. Here's my bet, and let's see how it plays out: I think it's been reported that junior staff editors at the Atlantic, when drunk in public, have blurted out what a lot of people have long suspected--Ta as an intellectual figure is almost entirely the creation of Jeffrey Goldberg and another guy whose name escapes me just now. These lowly copywriter/editors have said that, by himself, Ta is barely able to write coherent sentences, let alone a fully developed article. But Goldberg et al. have suddenly turned on him. Why?

    Israel. I think Ta wrote something, perhaps in support of the new Latina wunderchica O-C, that had him stray from his lines. Without Goldberg's support, the idol of Ta collapses like wet cardboard.

    It’s nothing so mysterious or nefarious. It’s just that writing for The Atlantic isn’t that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn’t need The Atlantic. He may deign to sell them an essay now and then, but otherwise he’s going to do great giving speeches and writing books as his own brand. He’ll be president of an Ivy League university for a while, president of a major foundation, etc.

    Yes, we live in a nutty world.

    BTW I finally got kicked out of that ladies’ book club (which people here poked fun at a few months ago) after I made a few critical comments too many the month our book was Between the World and Me. But there was a cumulation of smaller offenses leading up to that.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I would like to hear a bit more about that. Missed your comments describing the book club. Sounds hilarious.
    , @The Man From K Street

    It’s just that writing for The Atlantic isn’t that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn’t need The Atlantic. 
     
    I dunno. Part of my point was that he needs the Atlantic almost as much as they need him--we got out Coates as filtered through the magazine's army of spell-checkers, editors, ghost-rewriters, and assorted logrollers. Plus, I think many people, even writers themselves, tend to underestimate the value of masthead affiliation. There have been more than a few celebrated authors who, after they were sure that their brand had outgrown the New Yorker, or the NYT, or what have you, were shocked to learn that their phone calls weren't returned as quickly as they were used to.
  115. @MBlanc46
    Good point. Poor Leonard Pitts. Grinds away for years only to have this poseur Coates swoop in and steal his thunder.

    Maybe Leonard Pitts can finally have a shot at celebrity, with his eloquent side-kick, Tiny Duck!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  116. @International Jew
    It's nothing so mysterious or nefarious. It's just that writing for The Atlantic isn't that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn't need The Atlantic. He may deign to sell them an essay now and then, but otherwise he's going to do great giving speeches and writing books as his own brand. He'll be president of an Ivy League university for a while, president of a major foundation, etc.

    Yes, we live in a nutty world.

    BTW I finally got kicked out of that ladies' book club (which people here poked fun at a few months ago) after I made a few critical comments too many the month our book was Between the World and Me. But there was a cumulation of smaller offenses leading up to that.

    I would like to hear a bit more about that. Missed your comments describing the book club. Sounds hilarious.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  117. @bucky
    Coates is unfortunately the most influential writer in America, and IMO likely the root of the BLM riots of 2015 and 2016. Seriously. He was highly influential among the intellectual classes who create the news and that profoundly shaped coverage. His writing was very compelling, but ultimately it was filled with hatred and fear. I remember at one point there was talk about him being put on the NYT editorial board. He wrote a few trial columns and one of them was something about him being angry at a clerk at a grocery for thinking he might have stolen some yogurt. Of course he got the clerk fired for this.

    The Atlantic harmed the fabric of this country by elevating him. But it did do the Atlantic good.

    Coates probably left because he felt that he was being treated as a golem. Goldberg sucks up to him constantly, and the precipitating event was Kevin Williamson's hiring decision and how Goldberg put Coates up there with him to defend the decision. Again, golem. He likely has detected that he is being used by Jewish interests.

    Interestingly, Coates has written about how he wants to write about Israel/Palestine, but he "just doesn't have the time." Traditionally, black nationalists like Coates have gone on to Palestinian advocacy, but Coates has shy'd away from this. He makes excuses about needing more time, but if you regularly read his blog like I did, that is clearly malarky. He often posted typos in his articles and he posted hasty personal reflections on writing and of course hasty demonizations of white people.

    But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers. Oddly enough, when in the comments section the topic turned to the parallels between Palestinians and black slaves, the entire mood of the place quickly became paranoid. One commentator warned that they were taking notes of what people wrote about Palestine. That had a chilling effect of course. A revelatory one as well.

    One last interesting note: Coates has never traveled to Africa. He famously spent a few years in France and learned the French language. Never learned an African language. Never been to Africa. France is a racist white power, with a nasty colonial history that is still on-going in Africa. It has held domination over many more Africans than the English powers. By going to France, he is in a way paying tribute to this racist white European colonial power. It was like he wanted to maintain that feeling of alienation and righteous grievance, and he didn't know any other way of being. Like he doesn't know how to live without the white master to resent and hate, but which he also relies on for approval and resources.

    “But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers.”

    I don’t know which comments section you’re referring to, but the TNC I know had zero tolerance for critics. Virtually all commenters slavishly agreed with him. Most of those who disagreed with him, he banished permanently, in some cases (like that of yours truly) having them permablocked on all Atlantic blogs. Once I saw a guy disagree with him and survive, but the commenter was so nervous, with so many qualifications up front, that I don’t think TNC realized the guy was disagreeing with him.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    I agree. He certainly banned me many times. I may have worn him down by coming back with new usernames.

    But even this banning is still more involvement than many writers. Most writers just neglect their comments section because they aren't being paid to care about them.
  118. @gate666
    why does the altright love conspiracy theories?

    “The world is thick with dishonest people, and they don’t always act alone. They have a way of finding each other and acting corporately. Even “the D.C. sniper” turned out to be a team.” – Joe Sobran

  119. @Alec Leamas
    I'm going to stop calling him Tennessee Coates, and begin calling him Takin-it-Easy Coates.

    Eh, he'll always be Tennessee to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=234&v=6VCdJyOAQYM

    I prefer Te-Nehesi Tuxedo, but that’s just me.

    • Replies: @meh
    Tallahassee Coats, for me.
  120. @Nicholas Stix
    "But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers."

    I don't know which comments section you're referring to, but the TNC I know had zero tolerance for critics. Virtually all commenters slavishly agreed with him. Most of those who disagreed with him, he banished permanently, in some cases (like that of yours truly) having them permablocked on all Atlantic blogs. Once I saw a guy disagree with him and survive, but the commenter was so nervous, with so many qualifications up front, that I don't think TNC realized the guy was disagreeing with him.

    I agree. He certainly banned me many times. I may have worn him down by coming back with new usernames.

    But even this banning is still more involvement than many writers. Most writers just neglect their comments section because they aren’t being paid to care about them.

  121. @Nicholas Stix
    "long, deeply reported essays about racial injustice …"

    I understand "long," but what does "deeply reported" mean, in relation to TNC?

    Is it like the oeuvre of Sabrina Rubin Erdely?

    It means a black wrote it.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    LOL. Jacey Fortin is biracial. She graduated from New Bedford High School which is almost the worst high school in Massachusetts. She was an English major at Northeastern University. Works as a freelance journalist with no formal training in journalism. She is proficient in Spanish and French, but I don't know how she learned the languages.
  122. @Prester John
    Duckie's alter ego?

    I’d suspect a certain clown who goes by Lance Cockstrong elsewhere, or someone doing a very good parody (it’s not hard to do satire of someone so ridiculous).

  123. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I'm thinking something more on the lines of mental breakdown.

    I don't know much of his oevre apart from what he wrote at Slate some five years ago; he sounded like a nice but oversensitive boy. By virtue of being black, espousing the correct politics, and lacking the thug attitude so common among African Americans, he has risen much above the station his intelect would allow - and I think he knows and feels bad it. This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.

    This feeling of being a huge fraud can be very taxing to sensitive people, and even more so when you really are a fraud.

    This phenomenon has a name:  impostor syndrome.

  124. @Anonymous
    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing, is strong evidence that it they are extreme views.

    The fact that parody of modern day leftist beliefs and behaviors is often indistinguishable from the real thing

    This phenomenon is known as Poe’s law.

  125. @Kylie
    It means a black wrote it.

    LOL. Jacey Fortin is biracial. She graduated from New Bedford High School which is almost the worst high school in Massachusetts. She was an English major at Northeastern University. Works as a freelance journalist with no formal training in journalism. She is proficient in Spanish and French, but I don’t know how she learned the languages.

  126. @Pat Boyle
    I usually order two books a week from Amazon. I like them to arrive on Friday so as to give me the weekend. I read the books recommended by Greg Cochran and I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So it came to pass that I ordered one of the books by Ta-Nahesi Coates. I felt betrayed. You should have warned us. You had done that to me once before. I thought you admired Malcom Gladwell so I was appalled when I ordered and read one of his books.

    I know you are trying to be fair minded and impartial but do us a favor - just come right out and say "This guy is a fool, and a scoundrel and not worth your time." Enough with the subtlety. Please.

    I read the books mentioned by you Steve in this blog.

    So you’re familiar with Charles Blow and Leonard Pitts?

  127. @SMK
    It depends on what you mean by "survive."

    SMK:

    Here “survive” connotates that the American public can do very well without the services of such a pretentious nonentity!

  128. @bucky
    Coates is unfortunately the most influential writer in America, and IMO likely the root of the BLM riots of 2015 and 2016. Seriously. He was highly influential among the intellectual classes who create the news and that profoundly shaped coverage. His writing was very compelling, but ultimately it was filled with hatred and fear. I remember at one point there was talk about him being put on the NYT editorial board. He wrote a few trial columns and one of them was something about him being angry at a clerk at a grocery for thinking he might have stolen some yogurt. Of course he got the clerk fired for this.

    The Atlantic harmed the fabric of this country by elevating him. But it did do the Atlantic good.

    Coates probably left because he felt that he was being treated as a golem. Goldberg sucks up to him constantly, and the precipitating event was Kevin Williamson's hiring decision and how Goldberg put Coates up there with him to defend the decision. Again, golem. He likely has detected that he is being used by Jewish interests.

    Interestingly, Coates has written about how he wants to write about Israel/Palestine, but he "just doesn't have the time." Traditionally, black nationalists like Coates have gone on to Palestinian advocacy, but Coates has shy'd away from this. He makes excuses about needing more time, but if you regularly read his blog like I did, that is clearly malarky. He often posted typos in his articles and he posted hasty personal reflections on writing and of course hasty demonizations of white people.

    But the comments section was lively enough. I do give Coates credit for actually engaging in the comments section, which rarely occurred with other writers. Oddly enough, when in the comments section the topic turned to the parallels between Palestinians and black slaves, the entire mood of the place quickly became paranoid. One commentator warned that they were taking notes of what people wrote about Palestine. That had a chilling effect of course. A revelatory one as well.

    One last interesting note: Coates has never traveled to Africa. He famously spent a few years in France and learned the French language. Never learned an African language. Never been to Africa. France is a racist white power, with a nasty colonial history that is still on-going in Africa. It has held domination over many more Africans than the English powers. By going to France, he is in a way paying tribute to this racist white European colonial power. It was like he wanted to maintain that feeling of alienation and righteous grievance, and he didn't know any other way of being. Like he doesn't know how to live without the white master to resent and hate, but which he also relies on for approval and resources.

    ” His writing was very compelling”

    Bullshit. His writing is shallow, vacuous, and lacking all artistic slant.

    You are confessing that you have never read the works of a truely “compelling” author such as Goethe, or Homer, or Virgil, or GK Chesterton or Jack K , for that matter.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

    • Replies: @bucky
    It was also shallow and vacuous. But it was still compelling. Just like how Trump is a complete dumbass, but he still gets people to follow him and vote him into the presidency.

    Both Trump and Coates are demagogues.

    And yes, Coates's articles often were a mess. The "case for reparations" actually never directly makes a case for reparations, it just puts forward a few sympathetic anecdotes. I get all of that. But it still got a huge number of views and it captured the chattering class imagination. It was compelling. In a cheap and disorganized way, but still, results speak for themselves. That which is compelling gets attention. Just like how the junk that they sell at gas stations is junk, but it still sells.

    The main problem with Coates is that he influenced the intellectual classes in America in a decidedly angry and anti-American direction. As I said earlier, he is IMO why we had BLM riots in 2015 and 2016.
  129. @Clifford Brown
    No trolling necessary. Coates won a MacArthur Genius Award so it is unsurprising that an internet algorithm suggested an advertisement relating to IQ.

    Both of these posts are good examples of how clueless people are about technical issues. The ad appeared due to the posters search history.

  130. @International Jew
    It's nothing so mysterious or nefarious. It's just that writing for The Atlantic isn't that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn't need The Atlantic. He may deign to sell them an essay now and then, but otherwise he's going to do great giving speeches and writing books as his own brand. He'll be president of an Ivy League university for a while, president of a major foundation, etc.

    Yes, we live in a nutty world.

    BTW I finally got kicked out of that ladies' book club (which people here poked fun at a few months ago) after I made a few critical comments too many the month our book was Between the World and Me. But there was a cumulation of smaller offenses leading up to that.

    It’s just that writing for The Atlantic isn’t that big a deal. Coates is now a big enough deal on his own that he doesn’t need The Atlantic. 

    I dunno. Part of my point was that he needs the Atlantic almost as much as they need him–we got out Coates as filtered through the magazine’s army of spell-checkers, editors, ghost-rewriters, and assorted logrollers. Plus, I think many people, even writers themselves, tend to underestimate the value of masthead affiliation. There have been more than a few celebrated authors who, after they were sure that their brand had outgrown the New Yorker, or the NYT, or what have you, were shocked to learn that their phone calls weren’t returned as quickly as they were used to.

  131. @Authenticjazzman
    " His writing was very compelling"

    Bullshit. His writing is shallow, vacuous, and lacking all artistic slant.

    You are confessing that you have never read the works of a truely "compelling" author such as Goethe, or Homer, or Virgil, or GK Chesterton or Jack K , for that matter.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

    It was also shallow and vacuous. But it was still compelling. Just like how Trump is a complete dumbass, but he still gets people to follow him and vote him into the presidency.

    Both Trump and Coates are demagogues.

    And yes, Coates’s articles often were a mess. The “case for reparations” actually never directly makes a case for reparations, it just puts forward a few sympathetic anecdotes. I get all of that. But it still got a huge number of views and it captured the chattering class imagination. It was compelling. In a cheap and disorganized way, but still, results speak for themselves. That which is compelling gets attention. Just like how the junk that they sell at gas stations is junk, but it still sells.

    The main problem with Coates is that he influenced the intellectual classes in America in a decidedly angry and anti-American direction. As I said earlier, he is IMO why we had BLM riots in 2015 and 2016.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " Both Trump and Coates are demagogues"

    Bullshit, Trump is a good guy, as a matter of fact he is the first "good guy" to inhabit the WH in generations, this being the reason why the armies of dissolute scumbags hate him so rabidly.

    Coates is too much of a nitwit to be classified as anything other than a : Moron.

    AJM
  132. I almost feel sorry for the guy. He tries hard but deep down probably knows that he’s not that good and is just Whitey’s pet. Of course, there is the money…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    he’s not that good and is just Whitey’s pet.
     
    Truer words....

    How much of Coates' characteristic comes from just enough awareness to have impostor syndrome?
  133. @Jim Don Bob
    I almost feel sorry for the guy. He tries hard but deep down probably knows that he's not that good and is just Whitey's pet. Of course, there is the money...

    he’s not that good and is just Whitey’s pet.

    Truer words….

    How much of Coates’ characteristic comes from just enough awareness to have impostor syndrome?

  134. @Anonym
    Here is a sample of Peppa Pig narration, FYI. Notably, an omnipresent British voice, stating the obvious.

    https://youtu.be/Z8c_ncOzJBk

    Note the mandatory gender roles reversal, with Daddy Pig fixing a meal while Mummy Pig does “important work,” at least until the computer needs mending and she takes over the meal. Because Gender-Fluid.

  135. @bucky
    It was also shallow and vacuous. But it was still compelling. Just like how Trump is a complete dumbass, but he still gets people to follow him and vote him into the presidency.

    Both Trump and Coates are demagogues.

    And yes, Coates's articles often were a mess. The "case for reparations" actually never directly makes a case for reparations, it just puts forward a few sympathetic anecdotes. I get all of that. But it still got a huge number of views and it captured the chattering class imagination. It was compelling. In a cheap and disorganized way, but still, results speak for themselves. That which is compelling gets attention. Just like how the junk that they sell at gas stations is junk, but it still sells.

    The main problem with Coates is that he influenced the intellectual classes in America in a decidedly angry and anti-American direction. As I said earlier, he is IMO why we had BLM riots in 2015 and 2016.

    ” Both Trump and Coates are demagogues”

    Bullshit, Trump is a good guy, as a matter of fact he is the first “good guy” to inhabit the WH in generations, this being the reason why the armies of dissolute scumbags hate him so rabidly.

    Coates is too much of a nitwit to be classified as anything other than a : Moron.

    AJM

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  136. Here Tonight at the BBC, we welcome the new supergenius to take the mantle of tabletop decorating once reserved for wheelchair-bound supergenius Stephen Hawking, who was smarter than God ever was here in the BBC’s opinion. Tenessee Tux is regarded as the obvious choice to take over from Hawking books to all the educated people with advanced degrees.

    BBC: Welcome Dr. Tenessee Tux, racism engineer and healer of black bodies.

    Dr. TNT: Yes, glad to be here across the water from my digs.

    BBC: We understand you have a new exciting book about to be released. Tell us, what is this about?

    Dr. TNT: The racism of comic book nerds and how we need to get them out of the industry.

    BBC: Aren’t they customers?

    Dr. TNT: Consumers really. Bad consumers. Racist consumers.

    BBC: Thank you so much for that informed and educated opinion.

    Next on BBC: Female empowered Dr. Who claims she was a woman trapped in a man’s body.

    BBC: Telly worth paying for or you go to jail.

  137. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @fitzhamilton
    Ta ha doesn’t even have a BA, let alone a MA or Phd. Dude doesn’t have the guild credential - he’s got no ticket to ride, I doubt they’ll ever let him onto an Ivy faculty. He left Howard before finishing his degree. Typical genius, Howard was wasting Ta ha’s time - he had the world to conquer; Ralph Ellison, Richard Wright and James Baldwin’s shoes to fill. Pick up one of his comics, you’ll see it’s true.

    Ta ha’s at least not quite as desperately pathetic as Maya Angelou, who ran around insisting on being addressed as “doctor” when she also never got a BA herself, and claimed the honorific based on the raft of honorary degrees she received..

    IIRC, Ella Fitzgerald also insisted on being called ‘doctor’ near the end of her life.

  138. @Ragno
    I prefer Te-Nehesi Tuxedo, but that's just me.

    Tallahassee Coats, for me.

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