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As I’ve mentioned before, Vallejo, CA has been perhaps the most racially diverse town in America since Sly and the Family Stone formed there a half century ago. (And who has been more of a paragon over the years of bourgeois respectability and fulfilled potential than Sly Stone?) But even the healing balm of Diversity can’t keep some Deplorable-Americans in Vallejo from the crime of Noticing. In fact, as the New York Times‘ black reporter on blackness reports, maybe Diversity even encourages Deplorables to Notice by, to coin a phrase, rubbing their noses in Diversity. From the New York Times:

‘Nothing Against You’: For a Black Man Covering Race, the Story Is Never Far From Home

By JOHN ELIGON NOV. 24, 2017

VALLEJO, Calif. — The question, I thought, was harmless enough.

“Tell me how being in such a diverse community has influenced you in your life,” I asked Fred Hatfield as we sat at the counter of a diner here.

By the time I met Mr. Hatfield, who is 60 and white, I had already asked numerous Vallejo residents the same question, for this story that I wrote. Vallejo is one of the most demographically diverse cities in the United States, and as a reporter covering race for The New York Times I wondered whether there was more harmony and understanding here than elsewhere in the country. …

But I got a dimmer view from Mr. Hatfield. He said that most of the “gangbangers” in Vallejo were people of color, and he thought that I, a black man, was up to no good when he first saw me.

“There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.

Mr. Hatfield’s disparaging remarks about minorities and his quickness to stereotype me underscored a truth about covering race in America as a black man: The story is never far from home. That usually means white people are extra polite with me when giving their thoughts about black people, while black people tend toward frankness when we discuss race.

Mr. Hatfield, to be clear, was very much an exception in Vallejo in terms of his blunt bias. But to an extreme degree, he represented a surprising paradox I found here. Diversity, it seemed, makes people feel comfortable using stereotypes and expressing biases. Making fun of how Asians speak? It’s no problem, the thinking goes, because I have Asian friends.

Mr. Hatfield explained that when the Mare Island Naval Shipyard, once the beating heart of Vallejo’s economy, closed in the mid-1990s, “they encouraged Section 8 housing, and you know what that brings. And not the color of your skin; it just brings the type of people that take advantage of the situation and they deal drugs and they prostitute, that sort of thing.”

He described Vallejo as having once been “a hard-working, redneck kind of a blue-collar town,” and he reiterated that race did not factor into his perceptions of the city. “As far as I’m concerned, I grew up in this town and I have a lot of friends that are all different nationalities. But bad is bad.”

“Are the bad people usually a certain race?” I asked.

“Not necessarily,” he said. “Mostly, what makes the trouble is the gangbangers, and in this town you got blacks, you got Mexicans and you got Asians. You got all three of them. You look around, you see the gang tags. And you’re a pretty hip cat, you know what’s up. And those are the people that cause the problems generally — in every community, not just here.”

As I pressed him further, Mr. Hatfield said he did believe most of the troublemakers in Vallejo were people of color, but he again wanted me to know that he was not a racist.

“Some of my oldest and dearest friends are black guys,” he insisted.

Still, he said later that growing up around a lot of nonwhite people here “gave me a negative attitude toward certain individuals and certain racial groups.”

So, when you think about it, this is good news for the countless people in the Diversity Industry, like reporter Eligon. They must worry that if after every town in America has been demographically diversificated like Vallejo, their work will be done.

But then what will they do? Fortunately, as Mr. Eligon is starting to realize, their work will never be done. There will still be members of the Legacy Majority who Notice, and their Deplorableness will demand sniffing out by professional witch-sniffers like Eligon.

The Diversity industry is a self-licking ice cream cone.

 
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  1. Curle says:

    “Still, he said later that growing up around a lot of nonwhite people here “gave me a negative attitude toward certain individuals and certain racial groups.”

    Funny how reporters in this situation never connect certain dots; that the more people are exposed first hand to other groups the more they find stereotypes accurate. Some early advocates of busing really believed that exposure to white habits would alter black study habits and when instead white kids on closer exposure to blacks developed greater contempt for the abilities of blacks reversed course and advocated to end busing.

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    Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Most progressives have very little familiarity with the people whose cause they champion.
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  2. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    But then what will they do? Fortunately, as Mr. Eligon is starting to realize, their work will never be done.

    As Captain Redlegs Terrill in The Outlaw Josey Wales said, “doing right ain’t got no end”

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    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” C.S. Lewis
     
    So many broken eggs, but no omelette.
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  3. JohnnyD says:

    I wonder how diverse Mr. Eligon’s neighborhood is. Something tells me he doesn’t live near section eight housing.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    The "blacks" who are NY Times diversity reporters, or attend elite colleges, or become president of the United States often have an immigrant or non-black parent and rarely grow up interacting with many black Americans in general, much less the below average ones.


    John Eligon was one of only four blacks in his high school graduation class. During his high school years the entire school averaged about 10 black students out of an enrollment of 1000. Eligon attended Northwestern University. He immigrated to the US from Trinidad at the age of six. His father sold insurance and his mother is a college professor with a PhD in physics. His mother appears to be a mixture of African black and South Asian Indian.
    , @Anonymous
    Mr Eligon's current residence is in NYC, zip code 10026. https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/10026/ says that its population is 22% white and 59% black.
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  4. Danindc says:

    Steve – you left out the last line of the article. Apparently that racist pale male stale Hatfield (Was McCoy occupied) had the gall to ask the noble author to buy him his meal. These old whites are a black man’s burden!!!

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  5. Steve, I have to disagree that Vallejo is the most diverse city in America.

    As someone who spent two years in the mid-90′s as a substitute teacher at Springstowne Junior High School on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, I can say with 100% certainty that the number of white kids in grades 7-9 back then was no more than 25%, no matter what the “official” school numbers might claim.

    That number was dropping, not rising, not only in Vallejo, but also in Richmond, where I taught full-time at JFK High School after getting my teaching credential. By 1998, the number of white kids at JFK was no more than 15%, again despite “official” numbers to the contrary.

    I was an assistant basketball coach at JFK during the 1998 season – the head coach abruptly quit after a spat with the principal, and the interim coach asked me (in desperation) for help at practice.

    Our first game after that, we upset Richmond High School. I actually met the real Coach Carter – he shook my hand after the game.
    Anyway, our interim head coach, a very knowledgeable black math teacher, said to me after that Friday night upset win: “Hey, that was nice of your wife to come to the game”.

    He was right – she was there.

    But then, she was the only white woman in the crowd.

    I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.

    Or, does “diverse” mean “no white kids in the schools at all?”

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Good data here, not sure if it's accurate or not:
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/4074006739/school.aspx

    Click Students.

    , @Triumph104
    Vallejo schools had numerous closings or consolidations around 2010-2011 due to declining enrollment and budget deficits. Springstowne middle/junior high is now a K-8 charter school. In the early 80s, both the rapper Mac Dre and the race car driver Jeff Gordon attended Springstowne. Talk about diversity! Mac Dre wound up doing five years in prison before he was murdered in 2004 and Gordon moved to Indiana at age 14. In 1988, Gordon's high school was 100% white.

    http://abc7news.com/archive/7218411/
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/22/nascar-legend-jeff-gordon-visits-former-vallejo-school-answers-questions/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IN/schools/0810001387/school.aspx?t=tbStudents

    , @Harold
    reminds me of this https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/diversity-is-a-code-word-for/
    , @helena
    "I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.
    Or, does “diverse” mean “no white kids in the schools at all?”


    10% is the global average and thus reflects nature in its new guise.
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  6. J1234 says:

    The question, I thought, was harmless enough.

    And that’s exactly where the problem resides. A journalist asks questions that he believes he already knows the answers to.

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  7. fish says:

    “Hey,” he asked, “can you buy my meal for me?”

    Well shit Eligon…..if your going to use his name to further your narrative you might as well buy him some dinner and bill it to Carlos!

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    you almost want to hear that exchange; my guess is hatfield's tone was likely a combination or either joking or jovial.


    but even if it wasn't, if Eligon is gonna f**k him, the least he can do is buy him breakfast
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  8. Clyde says:

    NY Times readers love this type of article. It confirms them to the core/

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  9. Pat Boyle says:

    OT

    I hear on Fox News that the greatest problem we have today is the lack of respect that some men display towards women, yet on Fox Business they seem more worried about the budget, tax reform and the deficit.

    I have a simple proposal to solve both problems. Sell a license to rich and powerful men to harass women. If grabbing the butt of some girl in your office is licensed there will be no scandal. If you play grab ass without a license you should be put in the pokey.

    The licenses should cost something like ten million dollars – maybe more. Bezos for example could handle that amount out of petty cash. Yet enough fees by all the wealthy movie stars, politicians and horny producers could add up to a substantial piece of change. BTW this should be an annual fee not a license in perpetuity.

    This is another interpretation of Pay to Play.

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    Good idea but let me suggest a better one: use the hunting license as a model. Buy a permit at the beginning of the year and you will be allowed "to bag" a specified number of assess, tits and pussies but with limitations of age and situations, not unlike the limits on fishing or hunting. The fees could be used to create a Women's Empowerment Center where singly women can assemble to denounce white men. And just to be on the safe side, those with harassment licenses will have to wear some form of public identification akin to the orange hats of hunters. That will make the game more interesting and up the challenge for hunters.

    Did you see my recent UNZ essay on the same topic?
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  10. Eagle Eye says:

    OT but disturbing:

    Anti-Trump groups fund ‘trust indicators’ to combat ‘fake news’ on social media

    The usual Billionaires’ Billiard with another 1984 moniker: “The Trust Project.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/410149-news-trust-indicators-anti-trump/

    The usual players: Fakebook, Soros, prostitution purveyor Craig Newmark, various “respectable” news sewers: The Economist, The Globe and Mail, the Independent Journal Review, Mic, Italy’s La Repubblica and La Stampa, and The Washington Post (aka Bezos’ Blog).

    A woke DOJ/FTC would subpoena these entities and jail their “leading lights” for blatant anti-trust violations and violation of international money laundering rules.

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  11. Mr. Eligon writes, “Pick any two people out of this ZIP code, and there is a 76 percent chance they are a different race or ethnicity.” The ZIP code is 94591, in Vallejo, California, where, he reports, “black, white, Asian and Hispanic people coexist in nearly equal numbers.”

    What if Vallejo were perfectly diverse? Then each of the four groups would make up 1/4 of the population of Vallejo, so for each Vallejonian, there is a 3/4 probability that another random Vallejonian will be of a different group. That’s a 75 percent chance that any two random Vallejonians will be of a different race or ethnicity. But Mr. Eligon reports that this chance is even higher, 76 percent. So Vallejo is even more than perfectly diverse! Vallejo is supersaturated with diversity.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    Good point.

    But I have to add that if you picked a random two people who were standing or sitting near each other, the chance they are of different groups drops to the low double, if not the single, digits.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Mr. Eligon writes, “Pick any two people out of this ZIP code, and there is a 76 percent chance they are a different race or ethnicity.”
     
    I bet that was true in the Honolulu of fifty-odd years ago as well. So show me how else Vallejo is like Don Ho-era Oahu, 'cause I remember it being pretty nice, and quite safe.
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  12. Forbes says:

    The NYT should start assigning foreign bureaus (or science or lifestyle) to cover these “exotic” stories because the reporters seem oddly ignorant of, say, blue collar/working class life, or anyone over 50 y/o who hasn’t had the multi-culti diversity Narrative pounded into their heads all their lives.

    The reporter’s astonishment at the use of stereotypes is kinda funny. It really demonstrates the bubble occupied.

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    The NYT should start assigning foreign bureaus (or science or lifestyle) to cover these “exotic” stories
     
    Slate, of all places, had a funny feature where they tried to cover the US like journos cover foreign affairs:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/11/13/if_it_happened_there_how_would_we_cover_mike_bloomberg_if_he_were_in_another.html
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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Says the newspaper based in a city that is approximately 30% white, 30% black, 30% Hispanic, and 10% Asian. No Martians yet.
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  14. rogue-one says:

    Seriously, what happens when “legacy majority” retains a majority of wealth? Will we have the cancer of violence against market dominant minority under guise of “legacy majority” to expropriate their wealth (as in many parts of the world)?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Likely.

    Or we’ll have a lot kidnappings and thefts. I was reading the other day how bad things were in super diverse Brazil, reflected in crime against the upper class.

    I say “we” because Canada is heading that way too. The gang problem is a lot worse than pre-diversity. People just accept it. Only old people remember what it used to be like.

    But, at least in Vancouver, the diverse have plenty of money too, so you don’t see, in general, ethnics attacking whites for financial reasons.

    The gangs have also allowed whites who are inclined that way to now participate. There is the diverse United Nations Gang having mixed membership.

    The benefits of diversity are great indeed.
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  15. bartok says:
    @Forbes
    The NYT should start assigning foreign bureaus (or science or lifestyle) to cover these "exotic" stories because the reporters seem oddly ignorant of, say, blue collar/working class life, or anyone over 50 y/o who hasn't had the multi-culti diversity Narrative pounded into their heads all their lives.

    The reporter's astonishment at the use of stereotypes is kinda funny. It really demonstrates the bubble occupied.

    The NYT should start assigning foreign bureaus (or science or lifestyle) to cover these “exotic” stories

    Slate, of all places, had a funny feature where they tried to cover the US like journos cover foreign affairs:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/11/13/if_it_happened_there_how_would_we_cover_mike_bloomberg_if_he_were_in_another.html

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    They should do a feature where the reporting is like Tom Friedman- which means covering imaginary countries.
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  16. AndrewR says:

    Wearing a red T-shirt, white pants and a black cap splotched with paint, he said he made a meager living as a painter, had no retirement savings and owed the government a lot of money. But, he proudly declared, he has never relied on public assistance.

    “I’m not going to say, ‘Oh, I want government money,’” he said. “I ain’t taking it. I’ve never been on unemployment. Ever.”

    I thanked Mr. Hatfield for his time and honesty. Then, as I turned to walk away, he had a question for me.

    “Hey,” he asked, “can you buy my meal for me?”

    One would think the NYT has enough money to pay for the diner meals of its interview subjects without the subjects having to ask, especially when they have the candor of Mr. Hatfield. It was reasonable of Hatfield to assume that the N€₩ ¥ork Tim€s would be willing to spring for some bacon and eggs, so the last couple lines simply came off as pettiness towards Hatfield.

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    Didn't happen.
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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Steve, I have to disagree that Vallejo is the most diverse city in America.

    As someone who spent two years in the mid-90's as a substitute teacher at Springstowne Junior High School on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, I can say with 100% certainty that the number of white kids in grades 7-9 back then was no more than 25%, no matter what the "official" school numbers might claim.

    That number was dropping, not rising, not only in Vallejo, but also in Richmond, where I taught full-time at JFK High School after getting my teaching credential. By 1998, the number of white kids at JFK was no more than 15%, again despite "official" numbers to the contrary.

    I was an assistant basketball coach at JFK during the 1998 season - the head coach abruptly quit after a spat with the principal, and the interim coach asked me (in desperation) for help at practice.

    Our first game after that, we upset Richmond High School. I actually met the real Coach Carter - he shook my hand after the game.
    Anyway, our interim head coach, a very knowledgeable black math teacher, said to me after that Friday night upset win: "Hey, that was nice of your wife to come to the game".

    He was right - she was there.

    But then, she was the only white woman in the crowd.

    I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.

    Or, does "diverse" mean "no white kids in the schools at all?"

    Good data here, not sure if it’s accurate or not:

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/4074006739/school.aspx

    Click Students.

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    Vallejo schools are running out of white kids.
    , @stillCARealist
    My mom graduated from Vallejo High in 1953 or 1954. Her dad was in the navy, like most of her classmates' dads. Almost all white.
    , @Orwellian State
    Well, not surprisingly, the test scores of Vallejo schools are in the dumps. I did a school ranking of CA elementary schools on that website, and the best Vallejo elementary school is ranked #2493, out of 5650 elementary schools in CA. Out of 14 elementary schools in Vallejo school district, 3 schools ranked in the 2,000s, 1 in the 3,000s, 5 in the 4,000s, and 7 in the 5,000s! The district itself is ranked #745th out of 853 school districts in CA, pitiful.

    The "Asians" in Vallejo are predominantly Filipino, one of the lowest performing and poorest Asian groups, right down there with the Cambodians and Laotians, all are Southeast Asian native tribes like the Thais and Malays who are more like Pacific Islanders than "Asians". Daly City was a major Filipino ghetto when I lived in the Bay Area in the 90s. You will not find too many Chinese/Koreans/Japanese/Indians in Vallejo for sure.

    Vallejo is still blue collar, it's just most whites in America are no longer blue collar, they are either rural or moved upmarket. The biggest blue collar group in America today is Hispanic, not surprisingly they make up the largest ethnic group in Vallejo, closer to 40%.

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  18. utu says:

    That usually means white people are extra polite with me when giving their thoughts about black people, while black people tend toward frankness when we discuss race.

    Politeness is a sure sign of racism.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Politeness is a sure sign of racism.
     
    The other sure sign of racism? Impoliteness.
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  19. @Anon
    Good data here, not sure if it's accurate or not:
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/4074006739/school.aspx

    Click Students.

    Vallejo schools are running out of white kids.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Vallejo schools are running out of white kids.
     
    Or white kids are running out of Vallejo schools.

    Or being run out.
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  20. The fact that the article doesn’t provide crime/gang violence/section 8 statistics for Vallejo means that Mr. Hatfield’s assessment of who is committing crimes is most likely correct.

    The NY Times is much better at labeling people as racists than it is in proving that the “racists” are wrong about what they are noticing.

    All Hail Diversity. Or else.

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  21. BB753 says:

    “There will still be members of the Legacy Majority who Notice, and their Deplorableness will demand sniffing out by professional witch-sniffers like Eligon.”

    In 20 years time, there won’t be that many members of the Legacy Majority around in diverse places like Vallejo and similar cities. Nor anywhere else. When Boomers hit the bucket, and GenXers start to die off too, there won’t be many Whites left.

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  22. “There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.

    If the New York Times is going to mimic Lunch With the FT, they could at least itemi[s]e these for our benefit. And include the coffee, tomato juice, or whatever he washed it all down with. And the doughnut.

    Was the toast whole grain, or gluten-free?

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    Was the toast whole grain, or gluten-free?
     
    Need you ask? It was white. Hideously white.
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  23. @Steve Sailer
    Vallejo schools are running out of white kids.

    Vallejo schools are running out of white kids.

    Or white kids are running out of Vallejo schools.

    Or being run out.

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  24. TheBoom says:

    A few years back, I met a man who grew up in Vallejo and tried to start a business there. Alas, being white he was out of sync with their permit process. The black inspector he had to get permit approvals from made it very clear he wanted a black man to open a business in that spot, not a person of white color. Finally after spending a lot of money on equipment and trying to gain approval, he just gave up. Diversity is our strength indeed

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Didn’t Vallejo go bankrupt in 2008? I seem to recall reading about financial improprieties by the city’s leaders. It made the US national news.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bankruptcy-california-city/san-francisco-suburb-vallejo-files-for-bankruptcy-idUSN2352179020080524
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  25. The Diversity industry is a self-licking ice cream cone.

    The Diversity industry is self-licking all right, but it is not an ice cream cone.

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  26. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how diverse Mr. Eligon's neighborhood is. Something tells me he doesn't live near section eight housing.

    The “blacks” who are NY Times diversity reporters, or attend elite colleges, or become president of the United States often have an immigrant or non-black parent and rarely grow up interacting with many black Americans in general, much less the below average ones.

    John Eligon was one of only four blacks in his high school graduation class. During his high school years the entire school averaged about 10 black students out of an enrollment of 1000. Eligon attended Northwestern University. He immigrated to the US from Trinidad at the age of six. His father sold insurance and his mother is a college professor with a PhD in physics. His mother appears to be a mixture of African black and South Asian Indian.

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  27. Bill P says:

    Why don’t these whites exchange their a-hole minority neighbors for rednecks?

    If you live around rednecks there will be some trouble, but it’s predictable, mostly harmless and not aimed directly at you. For the most part, it involves spats between impecunious lovers, and is resolved with little more than a bit of public drama.

    There’s a lot of potential in rednecks’ kids, too. Lots of them really want to do stuff like build new machines, solve health problems and run a profitable business. Most won’t do these things, of course, but a majority will actually show up to work and take some pride in doing it well.

    Furthermore, while people often laugh at the redneck aesthetic, it’s American to the core. There’s tons of room for improvement, and that’s a good thing. Think of your redneck community as a starter culture.

    Rednecks actually do fear God. They will feel bad about doing bad things. They will see nothing wrong with the community punishing crime and wrongdoing, even if a lot of them do not behave perfectly. Actually, especially because of that, now that I mention it.

    Finally, they are especially immune to white guilt manipulation. What time does a guy have for racial guilt when he’s got to shoot deer and ducks on the sly to provide his kids with enough meat?

    It’s time to stop being snobby toward our fellow legacy Americans who happen to be poor and deplorable. Embrace them. You’ll find real Christianity and faith among these people, and they’ll never expect you to make any apologies for your ancestry.

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    How would they exchange them? I imagine the diverse don’t want to leave.

    Where would get rednecks from? Where would they work?

    If I lived there and didn’t like it, I’d start looking into leaving. That’s how it usually works.
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    Hum, witches… Legacy Majority Historic Americans should be branded on the forehead with a large K. Sometimes they tan real dark and you can’t be sure, you know. You can’t be too careful.

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  29. The Work of the Witch-Sniffers Will Never be Over

    No, but it will be taken over by lower-paid bicycle-seat sniffers.

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  30. Forbes says:
    @eah

    Says the newspaper based in a city that is approximately 30% white, 30% black, 30% Hispanic, and 10% Asian. No Martians yet.

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  31. I grew up right next door to Vallejo in Benicia in the 1970s and 80s. And Vallejo was definitely thought of–as much as Richmond or Oakland was–as primarily black and dangerous. Now, there are a lot more Asians and Hispanics. But for most of us white kids who grew up nearby we knew Vallejo meant blacks and crime. People got killed in Vallejo. Also the public schools were a nightmare, too. Most of the better off white kids from Vallejo went to St. Pats. It’s a shame because Vallejo has a lot going for it. There are still hilly neighborhoods in Vallejo with beautiful homes where you’d swear you were on Nob Hill in SF but then a block away you’ll see drug dealers and prostitutes hanging out on Sonoma Blvd.

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    Vallejo has a lot of old wooden Victorian homes lived in by people less careful with fire than most people who live in old wooden Victorian homes.

    That's another reason the fire department was able to help drive Vallejo into bankruptcy. They really need a strong fire department with all the fires.

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  32. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I grew up right next door to Vallejo in Benicia in the 1970s and 80s. And Vallejo was definitely thought of--as much as Richmond or Oakland was--as primarily black and dangerous. Now, there are a lot more Asians and Hispanics. But for most of us white kids who grew up nearby we knew Vallejo meant blacks and crime. People got killed in Vallejo. Also the public schools were a nightmare, too. Most of the better off white kids from Vallejo went to St. Pats. It's a shame because Vallejo has a lot going for it. There are still hilly neighborhoods in Vallejo with beautiful homes where you'd swear you were on Nob Hill in SF but then a block away you'll see drug dealers and prostitutes hanging out on Sonoma Blvd.

    Vallejo has a lot of old wooden Victorian homes lived in by people less careful with fire than most people who live in old wooden Victorian homes.

    That’s another reason the fire department was able to help drive Vallejo into bankruptcy. They really need a strong fire department with all the fires.

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  33. @Paul Jolliffe
    Steve, I have to disagree that Vallejo is the most diverse city in America.

    As someone who spent two years in the mid-90's as a substitute teacher at Springstowne Junior High School on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, I can say with 100% certainty that the number of white kids in grades 7-9 back then was no more than 25%, no matter what the "official" school numbers might claim.

    That number was dropping, not rising, not only in Vallejo, but also in Richmond, where I taught full-time at JFK High School after getting my teaching credential. By 1998, the number of white kids at JFK was no more than 15%, again despite "official" numbers to the contrary.

    I was an assistant basketball coach at JFK during the 1998 season - the head coach abruptly quit after a spat with the principal, and the interim coach asked me (in desperation) for help at practice.

    Our first game after that, we upset Richmond High School. I actually met the real Coach Carter - he shook my hand after the game.
    Anyway, our interim head coach, a very knowledgeable black math teacher, said to me after that Friday night upset win: "Hey, that was nice of your wife to come to the game".

    He was right - she was there.

    But then, she was the only white woman in the crowd.

    I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.

    Or, does "diverse" mean "no white kids in the schools at all?"

    Vallejo schools had numerous closings or consolidations around 2010-2011 due to declining enrollment and budget deficits. Springstowne middle/junior high is now a K-8 charter school. In the early 80s, both the rapper Mac Dre and the race car driver Jeff Gordon attended Springstowne. Talk about diversity! Mac Dre wound up doing five years in prison before he was murdered in 2004 and Gordon moved to Indiana at age 14. In 1988, Gordon’s high school was 100% white.

    http://abc7news.com/archive/7218411/

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/22/nascar-legend-jeff-gordon-visits-former-vallejo-school-answers-questions/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IN/schools/0810001387/school.aspx?t=tbStudents

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  34. Karl says:

    isn’t Vallejo the venue of UC Maritime College?

    Very white.

    its graduates’ lifetime earnings are very interesting to notice.

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    Yes, it is. But it's not UC; it's CSU. My father pushed me to go there after I graduated from high school but I had more pretentious academic interests to pursue.
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  35. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Mr. Eligon writes, "Pick any two people out of this ZIP code, and there is a 76 percent chance they are a different race or ethnicity." The ZIP code is 94591, in Vallejo, California, where, he reports, "black, white, Asian and Hispanic people coexist in nearly equal numbers."

    What if Vallejo were perfectly diverse? Then each of the four groups would make up 1/4 of the population of Vallejo, so for each Vallejonian, there is a 3/4 probability that another random Vallejonian will be of a different group. That's a 75 percent chance that any two random Vallejonians will be of a different race or ethnicity. But Mr. Eligon reports that this chance is even higher, 76 percent. So Vallejo is even more than perfectly diverse! Vallejo is supersaturated with diversity.

    Good point.

    But I have to add that if you picked a random two people who were standing or sitting near each other, the chance they are of different groups drops to the low double, if not the single, digits.

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  36. Arclight says:
    @Curle
    “Still, he said later that growing up around a lot of nonwhite people here “gave me a negative attitude toward certain individuals and certain racial groups.”

    Funny how reporters in this situation never connect certain dots; that the more people are exposed first hand to other groups the more they find stereotypes accurate. Some early advocates of busing really believed that exposure to white habits would alter black study habits and when instead white kids on closer exposure to blacks developed greater contempt for the abilities of blacks reversed course and advocated to end busing.

    Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Most progressives have very little familiarity with the people whose cause they champion.

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  37. Harold says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Steve, I have to disagree that Vallejo is the most diverse city in America.

    As someone who spent two years in the mid-90's as a substitute teacher at Springstowne Junior High School on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, I can say with 100% certainty that the number of white kids in grades 7-9 back then was no more than 25%, no matter what the "official" school numbers might claim.

    That number was dropping, not rising, not only in Vallejo, but also in Richmond, where I taught full-time at JFK High School after getting my teaching credential. By 1998, the number of white kids at JFK was no more than 15%, again despite "official" numbers to the contrary.

    I was an assistant basketball coach at JFK during the 1998 season - the head coach abruptly quit after a spat with the principal, and the interim coach asked me (in desperation) for help at practice.

    Our first game after that, we upset Richmond High School. I actually met the real Coach Carter - he shook my hand after the game.
    Anyway, our interim head coach, a very knowledgeable black math teacher, said to me after that Friday night upset win: "Hey, that was nice of your wife to come to the game".

    He was right - she was there.

    But then, she was the only white woman in the crowd.

    I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.

    Or, does "diverse" mean "no white kids in the schools at all?"
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  38. Moses says:

    Diversity, it seemed, makes people feel comfortable using stereotypes and expressing biases.

    Or maybe, just maybe, exposure to diversity aids pattern recognition by increasing sample size. That’s certainly been the case in my experience. Stereotypes do hold up when applied to populations, if not individuals.

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  39. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Mr. Eligon writes, "Pick any two people out of this ZIP code, and there is a 76 percent chance they are a different race or ethnicity." The ZIP code is 94591, in Vallejo, California, where, he reports, "black, white, Asian and Hispanic people coexist in nearly equal numbers."

    What if Vallejo were perfectly diverse? Then each of the four groups would make up 1/4 of the population of Vallejo, so for each Vallejonian, there is a 3/4 probability that another random Vallejonian will be of a different group. That's a 75 percent chance that any two random Vallejonians will be of a different race or ethnicity. But Mr. Eligon reports that this chance is even higher, 76 percent. So Vallejo is even more than perfectly diverse! Vallejo is supersaturated with diversity.

    Mr. Eligon writes, “Pick any two people out of this ZIP code, and there is a 76 percent chance they are a different race or ethnicity.”

    I bet that was true in the Honolulu of fifty-odd years ago as well. So show me how else Vallejo is like Don Ho-era Oahu, ’cause I remember it being pretty nice, and quite safe.

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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The logic of the witch hunter is simple. It has hardly changed since Matthew Hopkins’ day. The first requirement is to invert the reality of power. Power at its most basic level is the power to harm or destroy other human beings. The obvious reality is that witch hunters gang up and destroy witches. Whereas witches are never, ever seen to gang up and destroy witch hunters. By this test alone, we can see that the conspiracy is imaginary (Brown Scare) rather than real (Red Scare).

    Think about it. Obviously, if the witches had any power whatsoever, they wouldn’t waste their time gallivanting around on broomsticks, fellating Satan and cursing cows with sour milk. They’re getting burned right and left, for Christ’s sake! Priorities! No, they’d turn the tables and lay some serious voodoo on the witch-hunters. In a country where anyone who speaks out against the witches is soon found dangling by his heels from an oak at midnight with his head shrunk to the size of a baseball, we won’t see a lot of witch-hunting and we know there’s a serious witch problem. In a country where witch-hunting is a stable and lucrative career, and also an amateur pastime enjoyed by millions of hobbyists on the weekend, we know there are no real witches worth a damn.

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  41. Vallejo is no-man’s land. In spite of its interesting waterfront real estate it is just a place to travel through on the way from somewhere to somewhere else. There is absolutely no reason to go there. No interesting restaurants, no architecture, no cultural attractions to speak of, no real thriving businesses. It has none of the beauty of Napa / Sonoma 20 miles north nor the vibrancy of San Francisco or the East Bay 20 miles in the opposite direction. There are a gazillion cars on highway 80 going back and forth to Sacramento each day and yet nobody even stops there for gas. You just want to roll up the windows and avoid stopping unless you have to.

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    Hilarious and true. There is not one decent neighborhood off the 80 between Fairgrounds Dr and the Carquinez Bridge, which is to say the entirety of the 80 through Vallejo. I played soccer with the current Chief of Police of Vallejo when I was a kid. His dad was the Chief of Police in Benicia and one of the guys on the scene of the first Zodiac killing on Lake Herman Rd. I guarantee you Andrew doesn't live in Vallejo.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Hilarious and true. There is not one decent neighborhood off the 80 between Fairgrounds Dr and the Carquinez Bridge, which is to say the entirety of the 80 through Vallejo. I played soccer with the current Chief of Police of Vallejo when I was a kid. His dad was the Chief of Police in Benicia and one of the guys on the scene of the first Zodiac killing on Lake Herman Rd. I can almost guarantee you Andrew doesn't live in Vallejo, and if he does, he doesn't send his kids to Vallejo public schools.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Absolutely.
    Back in my Berkeley days the place was just a name on the map; nowadays I pass through it on my way from SF airport to St Helena in exactly the way you describe.
    But turn right on 780 after the straits to Benicia and there is some pretty decent there there.
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    The logic of the witch hunter is simple. It has hardly changed since Matthew Hopkins' day. The first requirement is to invert the reality of power. Power at its most basic level is the power to harm or destroy other human beings. The obvious reality is that witch hunters gang up and destroy witches. Whereas witches are never, ever seen to gang up and destroy witch hunters. By this test alone, we can see that the conspiracy is imaginary (Brown Scare) rather than real (Red Scare).

    Think about it. Obviously, if the witches had any power whatsoever, they wouldn't waste their time gallivanting around on broomsticks, fellating Satan and cursing cows with sour milk. They're getting burned right and left, for Christ's sake! Priorities! No, they'd turn the tables and lay some serious voodoo on the witch-hunters. In a country where anyone who speaks out against the witches is soon found dangling by his heels from an oak at midnight with his head shrunk to the size of a baseball, we won't see a lot of witch-hunting and we know there's a serious witch problem. In a country where witch-hunting is a stable and lucrative career, and also an amateur pastime enjoyed by millions of hobbyists on the weekend, we know there are no real witches worth a damn.
     

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  43. helena says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Steve, I have to disagree that Vallejo is the most diverse city in America.

    As someone who spent two years in the mid-90's as a substitute teacher at Springstowne Junior High School on Tennessee Street in Vallejo, I can say with 100% certainty that the number of white kids in grades 7-9 back then was no more than 25%, no matter what the "official" school numbers might claim.

    That number was dropping, not rising, not only in Vallejo, but also in Richmond, where I taught full-time at JFK High School after getting my teaching credential. By 1998, the number of white kids at JFK was no more than 15%, again despite "official" numbers to the contrary.

    I was an assistant basketball coach at JFK during the 1998 season - the head coach abruptly quit after a spat with the principal, and the interim coach asked me (in desperation) for help at practice.

    Our first game after that, we upset Richmond High School. I actually met the real Coach Carter - he shook my hand after the game.
    Anyway, our interim head coach, a very knowledgeable black math teacher, said to me after that Friday night upset win: "Hey, that was nice of your wife to come to the game".

    He was right - she was there.

    But then, she was the only white woman in the crowd.

    I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.

    Or, does "diverse" mean "no white kids in the schools at all?"

    “I bet the number of white kids in public schools in Richmond and Vallejo is today no more than 10%.
    Or, does “diverse” mean “no white kids in the schools at all?”

    10% is the global average and thus reflects nature in its new guise.

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  44. @rogue-one
    Seriously, what happens when "legacy majority" retains a majority of wealth? Will we have the cancer of violence against market dominant minority under guise of "legacy majority" to expropriate their wealth (as in many parts of the world)?

    Likely.

    Or we’ll have a lot kidnappings and thefts. I was reading the other day how bad things were in super diverse Brazil, reflected in crime against the upper class.

    I say “we” because Canada is heading that way too. The gang problem is a lot worse than pre-diversity. People just accept it. Only old people remember what it used to be like.

    But, at least in Vancouver, the diverse have plenty of money too, so you don’t see, in general, ethnics attacking whites for financial reasons.

    The gangs have also allowed whites who are inclined that way to now participate. There is the diverse United Nations Gang having mixed membership.

    The benefits of diversity are great indeed.

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  45. @TheBoom
    A few years back, I met a man who grew up in Vallejo and tried to start a business there. Alas, being white he was out of sync with their permit process. The black inspector he had to get permit approvals from made it very clear he wanted a black man to open a business in that spot, not a person of white color. Finally after spending a lot of money on equipment and trying to gain approval, he just gave up. Diversity is our strength indeed

    Didn’t Vallejo go bankrupt in 2008? I seem to recall reading about financial improprieties by the city’s leaders. It made the US national news.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bankruptcy-california-city/san-francisco-suburb-vallejo-files-for-bankruptcy-idUSN2352179020080524

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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyD
    I wonder how diverse Mr. Eligon's neighborhood is. Something tells me he doesn't live near section eight housing.

    Mr Eligon’s current residence is in NYC, zip code 10026. https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/10026/ says that its population is 22% white and 59% black.

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  47. @Bill P
    Why don't these whites exchange their a-hole minority neighbors for rednecks?

    If you live around rednecks there will be some trouble, but it's predictable, mostly harmless and not aimed directly at you. For the most part, it involves spats between impecunious lovers, and is resolved with little more than a bit of public drama.

    There's a lot of potential in rednecks' kids, too. Lots of them really want to do stuff like build new machines, solve health problems and run a profitable business. Most won't do these things, of course, but a majority will actually show up to work and take some pride in doing it well.

    Furthermore, while people often laugh at the redneck aesthetic, it's American to the core. There's tons of room for improvement, and that's a good thing. Think of your redneck community as a starter culture.

    Rednecks actually do fear God. They will feel bad about doing bad things. They will see nothing wrong with the community punishing crime and wrongdoing, even if a lot of them do not behave perfectly. Actually, especially because of that, now that I mention it.

    Finally, they are especially immune to white guilt manipulation. What time does a guy have for racial guilt when he's got to shoot deer and ducks on the sly to provide his kids with enough meat?

    It's time to stop being snobby toward our fellow legacy Americans who happen to be poor and deplorable. Embrace them. You'll find real Christianity and faith among these people, and they'll never expect you to make any apologies for your ancestry.

    How would they exchange them? I imagine the diverse don’t want to leave.

    Where would get rednecks from? Where would they work?

    If I lived there and didn’t like it, I’d start looking into leaving. That’s how it usually works.

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    Inertia plays a big role in people's behavior. Even if they don't really like living in a diverse area they'll stay as long as it's tolerable. This is why the concept of white flight is such BS. It took a real campaign of racial violence and intimidation to chase whites out of neighborhoods.

    I should know, because my parents were among the first in a wave of gentrifiers in a south Seattle neighborhood in the early 80s. As a kid I used to have rocks thrown at me for being white, I lived in fear of ghetto dogs (dogs in bad neighborhoods can be terrifying) and grew accustomed to racially hostile remarks.

    Despite all this I stayed in the area until just a few years ago. I actually liked my diverse neighbors and got along with them pretty well. The people I knew weren't the problem, and much of the area had improved over time.

    What finally got to me was the militant political climate, which in Seattle borders on imminent pogrom on conservative whites, the girls in hijabs in my kids' elementary school, and the escalating cost of living, especially if you wanted to avoid really bad neighbors.

    So I moved to a non-diverse small city where life is easier, cheaper and less stressful. My blood pressure immediately dropped significantly, for some reason. While the economy in my new home kind of stinks, at least it's a lot cheaper here and one can get by, even with a few kids. There are also a lot more Christians, and this has an effect on society that extends to the secular realm.

    If more middle class and wealthier whites moved to relatively cheap non-diverse areas with large numbers of white Christians, I think they'd be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we could have a sort of internal Zionism for Americans.
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  48. Mr. Anon says:

    But I got a dimmer view from Mr. Hatfield. He said that most of the “gangbangers” in Vallejo were people of color, and he thought that I, a black man, was up to no good when he first saw me.

    And he was right – Mr. Eligon works for the Times and so is indeed “up to no good”.

    “There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.

    Is that what passes for good (non-hack) journalistic writing? Pretty lame. Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost? Are “eggs over eays, toast, bacon, and potatoes with chives” the preferred breakfast foods of racists?

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    “Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost?“

    Details help when you are fabricating an alternate reality. It’s a popular thing among fabricating journalists at the NYT. See Jayson Blair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair
    , @DCThrowback
    it mattered b/c Eligon was setting him up for the last sentence as @danfromdc noted above
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  49. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu
    That usually means white people are extra polite with me when giving their thoughts about black people, while black people tend toward frankness when we discuss race.

    Politeness is a sure sign of racism.

    Politeness is a sure sign of racism.

    The other sure sign of racism? Impoliteness.

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    Well of course. Lena Dunham, champion (most of the time) of the sexually harassed, was indignant when she sat next to an athlete who checked his phone instead of hitting on her.
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  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.
     
    If the New York Times is going to mimic Lunch With the FT, they could at least itemi[s]e these for our benefit. And include the coffee, tomato juice, or whatever he washed it all down with. And the doughnut.

    Was the toast whole grain, or gluten-free?

    Was the toast whole grain, or gluten-free?

    Need you ask? It was white. Hideously white.

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  51. Logan says:
    @Forbes
    Says the newspaper based in a city that is approximately 30% white, 30% black, 30% Hispanic, and 10% Asian. No Martians yet.

    Wiki: The city’s population in 2010 was 44% white (33.3% non-Hispanic white), 25.5% black (23% non-Hispanic black), 0.7% Native American, and 12.7% Asian.[250] Hispanics of any race represented 28.6% of the population

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  52. So in other words, there are white people that you know right away are racists, they don’t even have to open their mouths, you just know–they are white, after all.

    Then there are white people with whom you need to speak with for a little while, before you determine that they, too, are racists.

    Got it. That’s deeply insightful Mr non-racist black person. Pathetic excuse for a “writer”, you.

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    Hatfield didn't say anything Chris Rock hasn't said, and he was milder about it.

    Surprised NYT guy didn't also find a McCoy to interview.
    , @Mr. Anon
    If they run, they're VC. If they stand still, they're well disciplined VC.
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  53. @anonymous

    But then what will they do? Fortunately, as Mr. Eligon is starting to realize, their work will never be done.
     
    As Captain Redlegs Terrill in The Outlaw Josey Wales said, "doing right ain't got no end"

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” C.S. Lewis

    So many broken eggs, but no omelette.

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    +1 another fred
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  54. Bill P says:
    @Frau Katze
    How would they exchange them? I imagine the diverse don’t want to leave.

    Where would get rednecks from? Where would they work?

    If I lived there and didn’t like it, I’d start looking into leaving. That’s how it usually works.

    Inertia plays a big role in people’s behavior. Even if they don’t really like living in a diverse area they’ll stay as long as it’s tolerable. This is why the concept of white flight is such BS. It took a real campaign of racial violence and intimidation to chase whites out of neighborhoods.

    I should know, because my parents were among the first in a wave of gentrifiers in a south Seattle neighborhood in the early 80s. As a kid I used to have rocks thrown at me for being white, I lived in fear of ghetto dogs (dogs in bad neighborhoods can be terrifying) and grew accustomed to racially hostile remarks.

    Despite all this I stayed in the area until just a few years ago. I actually liked my diverse neighbors and got along with them pretty well. The people I knew weren’t the problem, and much of the area had improved over time.

    What finally got to me was the militant political climate, which in Seattle borders on imminent pogrom on conservative whites, the girls in hijabs in my kids’ elementary school, and the escalating cost of living, especially if you wanted to avoid really bad neighbors.

    So I moved to a non-diverse small city where life is easier, cheaper and less stressful. My blood pressure immediately dropped significantly, for some reason. While the economy in my new home kind of stinks, at least it’s a lot cheaper here and one can get by, even with a few kids. There are also a lot more Christians, and this has an effect on society that extends to the secular realm.

    If more middle class and wealthier whites moved to relatively cheap non-diverse areas with large numbers of white Christians, I think they’d be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we could have a sort of internal Zionism for Americans.

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  55. @Mr. Anon

    Politeness is a sure sign of racism.
     
    The other sure sign of racism? Impoliteness.

    Well of course. Lena Dunham, champion (most of the time) of the sexually harassed, was indignant when she sat next to an athlete who checked his phone instead of hitting on her.

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  56. JackOH says:

    How deep can this stuff actually be? By simple observation, most folks, including Blacks when they allow themselves honesty. recognize an “untalented tenth” among Whites, folks who are just plain irremediable bad asses. Among Blacks, there’s an “untalented tercile” or “untalented duo-quintile”. Among Asians, maybe an “untalented hexadecile”. That’s how ordinary, good-hearted people make reasoned judgments in the absence of perfect information about the world around them.

    But, thanks to our damnable government, Whites as a group are essentially evil-hearted, Blacks as a group are essentially virtuous victims, and the bloody damned beat goes on, and on.

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  57. @Buck Turgidson
    So in other words, there are white people that you know right away are racists, they don't even have to open their mouths, you just know--they are white, after all.

    Then there are white people with whom you need to speak with for a little while, before you determine that they, too, are racists.

    Got it. That's deeply insightful Mr non-racist black person. Pathetic excuse for a "writer", you.

    Hatfield didn’t say anything Chris Rock hasn’t said, and he was milder about it.

    Surprised NYT guy didn’t also find a McCoy to interview.

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  58. jim jones says:

    I have neighbours from all over the World but houses around her cost over a million bucks so people are competent and polite

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  59. @Pat Boyle
    OT

    I hear on Fox News that the greatest problem we have today is the lack of respect that some men display towards women, yet on Fox Business they seem more worried about the budget, tax reform and the deficit.

    I have a simple proposal to solve both problems. Sell a license to rich and powerful men to harass women. If grabbing the butt of some girl in your office is licensed there will be no scandal. If you play grab ass without a license you should be put in the pokey.

    The licenses should cost something like ten million dollars - maybe more. Bezos for example could handle that amount out of petty cash. Yet enough fees by all the wealthy movie stars, politicians and horny producers could add up to a substantial piece of change. BTW this should be an annual fee not a license in perpetuity.

    This is another interpretation of Pay to Play.

    Good idea but let me suggest a better one: use the hunting license as a model. Buy a permit at the beginning of the year and you will be allowed “to bag” a specified number of assess, tits and pussies but with limitations of age and situations, not unlike the limits on fishing or hunting. The fees could be used to create a Women’s Empowerment Center where singly women can assemble to denounce white men. And just to be on the safe side, those with harassment licenses will have to wear some form of public identification akin to the orange hats of hunters. That will make the game more interesting and up the challenge for hunters.

    Did you see my recent UNZ essay on the same topic?

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  60. @Karl
    isn't Vallejo the venue of UC Maritime College?

    Very white.

    its graduates' lifetime earnings are very interesting to notice.

    Yes, it is. But it’s not UC; it’s CSU. My father pushed me to go there after I graduated from high school but I had more pretentious academic interests to pursue.

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  61. @Prof. Woland
    Vallejo is no-man's land. In spite of its interesting waterfront real estate it is just a place to travel through on the way from somewhere to somewhere else. There is absolutely no reason to go there. No interesting restaurants, no architecture, no cultural attractions to speak of, no real thriving businesses. It has none of the beauty of Napa / Sonoma 20 miles north nor the vibrancy of San Francisco or the East Bay 20 miles in the opposite direction. There are a gazillion cars on highway 80 going back and forth to Sacramento each day and yet nobody even stops there for gas. You just want to roll up the windows and avoid stopping unless you have to.

    Hilarious and true. There is not one decent neighborhood off the 80 between Fairgrounds Dr and the Carquinez Bridge, which is to say the entirety of the 80 through Vallejo. I played soccer with the current Chief of Police of Vallejo when I was a kid. His dad was the Chief of Police in Benicia and one of the guys on the scene of the first Zodiac killing on Lake Herman Rd. I guarantee you Andrew doesn’t live in Vallejo.

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    As late as the 1970s there was basically nothing between Vallejo and Sacramento other than U Davis and a few 24 hour truck stops. But because of population growth, that whole highway 80 corridor is now just one big bedroom community. At first long distance commuters blue / pink collar workers from the Bay Area bought track houses but as time went on it just filled in. 99% of the stores and restaurants are chains and look exactly the same. Fairfield is probably a little better but from Vacaville to Rodeo and Hercules it is just a black hole.
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  62. @Prof. Woland
    Vallejo is no-man's land. In spite of its interesting waterfront real estate it is just a place to travel through on the way from somewhere to somewhere else. There is absolutely no reason to go there. No interesting restaurants, no architecture, no cultural attractions to speak of, no real thriving businesses. It has none of the beauty of Napa / Sonoma 20 miles north nor the vibrancy of San Francisco or the East Bay 20 miles in the opposite direction. There are a gazillion cars on highway 80 going back and forth to Sacramento each day and yet nobody even stops there for gas. You just want to roll up the windows and avoid stopping unless you have to.

    Hilarious and true. There is not one decent neighborhood off the 80 between Fairgrounds Dr and the Carquinez Bridge, which is to say the entirety of the 80 through Vallejo. I played soccer with the current Chief of Police of Vallejo when I was a kid. His dad was the Chief of Police in Benicia and one of the guys on the scene of the first Zodiac killing on Lake Herman Rd. I can almost guarantee you Andrew doesn’t live in Vallejo, and if he does, he doesn’t send his kids to Vallejo public schools.

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  63. Spud Boy says:

    The NYT probably thinks articles like this further its cause.

    When us normal folks are exposed to it via links from blogs like this one, it has the opposite effect. Calling people who notice obvious facts “racists” is what helped elect Donald Trump.
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  64. @Anon
    Good data here, not sure if it's accurate or not:
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/4074006739/school.aspx

    Click Students.

    My mom graduated from Vallejo High in 1953 or 1954. Her dad was in the navy, like most of her classmates’ dads. Almost all white.

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  65. Yngvar says:

    Black people “tend toward frankness”, while some whites are “blunt in their bias”. Telling.

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  66. @Anon
    Good data here, not sure if it's accurate or not:
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/4074006739/school.aspx

    Click Students.

    Well, not surprisingly, the test scores of Vallejo schools are in the dumps. I did a school ranking of CA elementary schools on that website, and the best Vallejo elementary school is ranked #2493, out of 5650 elementary schools in CA. Out of 14 elementary schools in Vallejo school district, 3 schools ranked in the 2,000s, 1 in the 3,000s, 5 in the 4,000s, and 7 in the 5,000s! The district itself is ranked #745th out of 853 school districts in CA, pitiful.

    The “Asians” in Vallejo are predominantly Filipino, one of the lowest performing and poorest Asian groups, right down there with the Cambodians and Laotians, all are Southeast Asian native tribes like the Thais and Malays who are more like Pacific Islanders than “Asians”. Daly City was a major Filipino ghetto when I lived in the Bay Area in the 90s. You will not find too many Chinese/Koreans/Japanese/Indians in Vallejo for sure.

    Vallejo is still blue collar, it’s just most whites in America are no longer blue collar, they are either rural or moved upmarket. The biggest blue collar group in America today is Hispanic, not surprisingly they make up the largest ethnic group in Vallejo, closer to 40%.

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  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buck Turgidson
    So in other words, there are white people that you know right away are racists, they don't even have to open their mouths, you just know--they are white, after all.

    Then there are white people with whom you need to speak with for a little while, before you determine that they, too, are racists.

    Got it. That's deeply insightful Mr non-racist black person. Pathetic excuse for a "writer", you.

    If they run, they’re VC. If they stand still, they’re well disciplined VC.

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  68. Curle says:
    @Mr. Anon

    But I got a dimmer view from Mr. Hatfield. He said that most of the “gangbangers” in Vallejo were people of color, and he thought that I, a black man, was up to no good when he first saw me.
     
    And he was right - Mr. Eligon works for the Times and so is indeed "up to no good".

    “There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.
     
    Is that what passes for good (non-hack) journalistic writing? Pretty lame. Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost? Are "eggs over eays, toast, bacon, and potatoes with chives" the preferred breakfast foods of racists?

    “Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost?“

    Details help when you are fabricating an alternate reality. It’s a popular thing among fabricating journalists at the NYT. See Jayson Blair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

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    True, that's generally pointed out when people are taught how to identify con artists. When a guy approaches you and insists on telling you a long, detailed story of how his wallet was stolen, the amount o detail is an indication that it's a made-up story. If you were telling a stranger that you lost your wallet and you actually had, you wouldn't feel it necessary to lard up the story with information about where you came from, where you're going, who you were going to meet there and why, etc.

    So, does Fred Hatfield exist?
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  69. @Rosamond Vincy
    Hatfield didn't say anything Chris Rock hasn't said, and he was milder about it.

    Surprised NYT guy didn't also find a McCoy to interview.

    Not sure how much I like Chris Rock, if at all.

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  70. Anon7 says:
    @another fred

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” C.S. Lewis
     
    So many broken eggs, but no omelette.

    +1 another fred

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  71. @bartok

    The NYT should start assigning foreign bureaus (or science or lifestyle) to cover these “exotic” stories
     
    Slate, of all places, had a funny feature where they tried to cover the US like journos cover foreign affairs:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/11/13/if_it_happened_there_how_would_we_cover_mike_bloomberg_if_he_were_in_another.html

    They should do a feature where the reporting is like Tom Friedman- which means covering imaginary countries.

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  72. @fish

    “Hey,” he asked, “can you buy my meal for me?”
     
    Well shit Eligon.....if your going to use his name to further your narrative you might as well buy him some dinner and bill it to Carlos!

    you almost want to hear that exchange; my guess is hatfield’s tone was likely a combination or either joking or jovial.

    but even if it wasn’t, if Eligon is gonna f**k him, the least he can do is buy him breakfast

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  73. @Mr. Anon

    But I got a dimmer view from Mr. Hatfield. He said that most of the “gangbangers” in Vallejo were people of color, and he thought that I, a black man, was up to no good when he first saw me.
     
    And he was right - Mr. Eligon works for the Times and so is indeed "up to no good".

    “There’s a lot of negativity involved with it, I’ll tell you right now,” Mr. Hatfield said of Vallejo’s diversity as he tucked into a $7.59 breakfast special of eggs over easy, toast, bacon and potatoes with chives.
     
    Is that what passes for good (non-hack) journalistic writing? Pretty lame. Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost? Are "eggs over eays, toast, bacon, and potatoes with chives" the preferred breakfast foods of racists?

    it mattered b/c Eligon was setting him up for the last sentence as @danfromdc noted above

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  74. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Hilarious and true. There is not one decent neighborhood off the 80 between Fairgrounds Dr and the Carquinez Bridge, which is to say the entirety of the 80 through Vallejo. I played soccer with the current Chief of Police of Vallejo when I was a kid. His dad was the Chief of Police in Benicia and one of the guys on the scene of the first Zodiac killing on Lake Herman Rd. I guarantee you Andrew doesn't live in Vallejo.

    As late as the 1970s there was basically nothing between Vallejo and Sacramento other than U Davis and a few 24 hour truck stops. But because of population growth, that whole highway 80 corridor is now just one big bedroom community. At first long distance commuters blue / pink collar workers from the Bay Area bought track houses but as time went on it just filled in. 99% of the stores and restaurants are chains and look exactly the same. Fairfield is probably a little better but from Vacaville to Rodeo and Hercules it is just a black hole.

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  75. lavoisier says: • Website

    Only white racists are capable of noticing group differences in intelligence and criminal behavior and conceptualizing that those differences may have other causes than racism.

    If they were not racists, they would not only be incapable of noticing these differences and their possible causes, they could not even imagine that such differences could even exist in a world without white racists.

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  76. @Curle
    “Does it really matter what Mr. Hatfield was eating for breakfast, or how much it cost?“

    Details help when you are fabricating an alternate reality. It’s a popular thing among fabricating journalists at the NYT. See Jayson Blair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

    True, that’s generally pointed out when people are taught how to identify con artists. When a guy approaches you and insists on telling you a long, detailed story of how his wallet was stolen, the amount o detail is an indication that it’s a made-up story. If you were telling a stranger that you lost your wallet and you actually had, you wouldn’t feel it necessary to lard up the story with information about where you came from, where you’re going, who you were going to meet there and why, etc.

    So, does Fred Hatfield exist?

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  77. @Prof. Woland
    Vallejo is no-man's land. In spite of its interesting waterfront real estate it is just a place to travel through on the way from somewhere to somewhere else. There is absolutely no reason to go there. No interesting restaurants, no architecture, no cultural attractions to speak of, no real thriving businesses. It has none of the beauty of Napa / Sonoma 20 miles north nor the vibrancy of San Francisco or the East Bay 20 miles in the opposite direction. There are a gazillion cars on highway 80 going back and forth to Sacramento each day and yet nobody even stops there for gas. You just want to roll up the windows and avoid stopping unless you have to.

    Absolutely.
    Back in my Berkeley days the place was just a name on the map; nowadays I pass through it on my way from SF airport to St Helena in exactly the way you describe.
    But turn right on 780 after the straits to Benicia and there is some pretty decent there there.

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  78. I’m a racist as I have Asian friends. One of my better Asian friends is a landlord in San Francisco. He’s rents to many section 8′s, likes the guaranteed rent but dislikes his tenants immensely. What comes out his mouth about the race of many of his tenants is not at all politically correct.

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  79. sb says:

    Speaking of heavy metal and the right I note that Malcolm Young of AC/DC had his funeral today in Sydney Australia and it was a most traditional Catholic service (well perhaps except for the dress code ).
    I expect that this might surprise a few ( unaware ) people

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  80. Squiredog says:
    @AndrewR

    Wearing a red T-shirt, white pants and a black cap splotched with paint, he said he made a meager living as a painter, had no retirement savings and owed the government a lot of money. But, he proudly declared, he has never relied on public assistance.

    “I’m not going to say, ‘Oh, I want government money,’” he said. “I ain’t taking it. I’ve never been on unemployment. Ever.”

    I thanked Mr. Hatfield for his time and honesty. Then, as I turned to walk away, he had a question for me.

    “Hey,” he asked, “can you buy my meal for me?”
     

    One would think the NYT has enough money to pay for the diner meals of its interview subjects without the subjects having to ask, especially when they have the candor of Mr. Hatfield. It was reasonable of Hatfield to assume that the N€₩ ¥ork Tim€s would be willing to spring for some bacon and eggs, so the last couple lines simply came off as pettiness towards Hatfield.

    Didn’t happen.

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