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“Let’s all talk about the time a powerful man found me erotically irresistible. It was hot uh permanently traumatizing. And I deserve money. Or at least attention. And pity. Or envy. And an engagement ring from him.”

 
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  1. The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That’s creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That’s a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I’m sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that’s scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

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    • Replies: @Kaz
    Yeah I agree with you, but I'm kinda sick of these things coming out decades later..
    , @guest
    You're exactly right. The above quote could apply to the hoardes of women coming out against Bill Clinton. (Though not the ones he raped, if he in fact raped them.) Because I have it on good authority women find him attractive. Teenagers might find Roy Moore attractive, too. I wouldn't know. Trump, obviously, was attractive to all those crowds of women who basically begged him to grab their pussies.

    What's going on with Weinstein, Franken, and it others is different. Women will no doubt fame-bang (is that a term?) them, or sleep with them to help their careers, or whatever. But they aren't excited when they put one over on them. Women don't want to be sexually used by men they consider beneath them.

    That's humiliating. In revenge, they humiliate their humiliators.
    , @dfordoom

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.
     
    You're forgetting that the big turn-ons for women are money and power. If the guy was rich and powerful then it's very very likely that the woman thought it was hot. Whether the guy was creepy or ugly is irrelevant, as long as he had an enormous bulge in his wallet.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with "Rocky Balboa" was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I'm sure he probably didn't have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he's well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn't have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker ("Fast and Furious") started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn't say much. Mostly because women thought he was "super hot." If he had been ugly or akward, there would've been more outrage.

    If a man is "hot," he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be "hot."
    , @Neoconned
    Its funny how nowadays women can retract consent 40 yrs after the fact.....

    And feel the need to be called a victim and be patted on the back etc.....
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?
    , @NOTA
    Yeah, I'm sure Weinstein found it hot, but the women who had to put out for him in order to get a part in a movie probably found it pretty damned unpleasant. And the ones who had to put up with groping or worse with a smile because he could wreck their careers *really* didn't find the experience hot.
    , @22pp22
    Women are attracted by power, men by looks
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  3. header is funnier spelled Amerika

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  4. You’re right that Steve is being completely schizoid on this issue. But Weinstein and Stallone were both definitely able to attract very high status women regardless of what you think about their desirability. I suspect Franken was too if I went looking. As for exactly what went down I don’t claim to know but I think we’re all inherently suspicious of women’s public rationalizations of their sexual behavior.

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    In the Franken case the girl wasn't doing anything, it was all Franken.
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  5. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Nothing that happened with these men were “hot”, especially what happened with Weinstein and Stallone, positively sick. I’d like to know if Steve Sailer would still think it’s hot if they did that to him or his daughter.

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  6. Let me guess you are 5′ 9″ or shorter.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Let me guess you are 5′ 9″ or shorter.
     
    You can't be talking about our Steve.
    , @Erik L
    I think Steve is pretty tall, like 6'4" or 5"
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  7. Homo sapiens mating dance:

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIAXG_QcQNU - Money (Makes the World Go Around), from Cabaret
    , @Anonymous
    I find a degree of appealing honesty in that photo... as if they're saying, yeah, that's how it is, but we actually like each other and get along and that's something.
    , @Olorin
    Those are 30 Georges, not Benjamins.

    More like she's laughing at the gentleman's underendowment.
    , @Anonymous
    Can Louise Linton help it, or is she trolling? Forget Marie Antoinette, she has supplanted the role of walking stereotype of unaccomplished AMW turned Beltway-famous. It seems like a worked shoot. Is American politics still distinguishable from pro wrestling?
    , @ThreeCranes
    Notice how if you just look at the white/black pattern of Washington's head it looks like a question mark? A whole bunch a' question marks, in fact.

    What does that tell ya? Huh?

    Subliminally, it reveals that the Illuminati have been undermining the value of our worthless fiat currency for decades!

    , @Lurker
    The lady from Del Monte, she say yes!
    , @The Craw
    He's a Jewish "10".

    That's a "5" with $5 million Dollars.
    , @Abe

    Homo sapiens mating dance:

     

    “Though less so in inland as compared to coastal habitats, Homo sapien economus has long demonstrated a remarkable ability to attract, mate with, and form life-long pairings with Homo sapien deBeersensis.”
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  8. Homo sapiens mating dance:

    Production for reproduction. Fair exchange.

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    • Replies: @fish
    Mnuchin should fire his PR people!


    Fucking Moron....just hand the left the stick with which to beat you!

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  9. Kaz says:
    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    Yeah I agree with you, but I’m kinda sick of these things coming out decades later..

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    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIAXG_QcQNU – Money (Makes the World Go Around), from Cabaret

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  11. guest says:
    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    You’re exactly right. The above quote could apply to the hoardes of women coming out against Bill Clinton. (Though not the ones he raped, if he in fact raped them.) Because I have it on good authority women find him attractive. Teenagers might find Roy Moore attractive, too. I wouldn’t know. Trump, obviously, was attractive to all those crowds of women who basically begged him to grab their pussies.

    What’s going on with Weinstein, Franken, and it others is different. Women will no doubt fame-bang (is that a term?) them, or sleep with them to help their careers, or whatever. But they aren’t excited when they put one over on them. Women don’t want to be sexually used by men they consider beneath them.

    That’s humiliating. In revenge, they humiliate their humiliators.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    List of rich and famous guys NOT being accused of creepiness with intent to creep:

    Warren Beatty
    Jack Nicholson
    Brad Pitt
    Tom Brady
    Denzel Washington
    George Clooney
    Robert Redford

    Looks + Game = Immunity
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  12. fish says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Homo sapiens mating dance:
     
    Production for reproduction. Fair exchange.

    Mnuchin should fire his PR people!

    Fucking Moron….just hand the left the stick with which to beat you!

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    Have you never seen a rap viddy? Pure gangsta! Genius move!
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  13. Trelane says:

    Marianne Faithfull broken English

    Deborah Harry Heart of Glass

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm not certain what this reveals about anything that matters, but... I just realized that Debbie Harry looks strikingly like Taylor Swift. Even some of their facial moves are similar.
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    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    You’re forgetting that the big turn-ons for women are money and power. If the guy was rich and powerful then it’s very very likely that the woman thought it was hot. Whether the guy was creepy or ugly is irrelevant, as long as he had an enormous bulge in his wallet.

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    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

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  15. I wonder why Bitter Angry Steve has suddenly taken over the blog, when he always maintained his equanimity in the past no matter how bad the headlines of the day. The strangest part is he cannot even decide which side he is on – he seems to go along with whichever side is currently angrier in the comment box.

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  16. @Sam Haysom
    Let me guess you are 5' 9" or shorter.

    Let me guess you are 5′ 9″ or shorter.

    You can’t be talking about our Steve.

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    Yes, I wondered about that. Our Steve is a big lad.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Sam can't be referring to Steve. He seemed quite aware of Steve's height in a post in an earlier comment thread.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/world-series-look-alikes/#comment-2056822

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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    No, Steve. Girls would be proud to wrap a famous guy around their little finger. Getting treated like a piece of meat is not a rare distinction.

    It’s one thing to be irresistible, it’s another if the guy just can’t be bothered to resist.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    I'm sure there are plenty of attractive young men who've found themselves weinsteined over the years. Probably very few found it arousing, but lots found it necessary to put up with in order to remain an actor instead of going back to waiting tables.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Marianne Faithfull broken English

    https://youtu.be/F-H55V_oma0

    Deborah Harry Heart of Glass

    https://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU

    I’m not certain what this reveals about anything that matters, but… I just realized that Debbie Harry looks strikingly like Taylor Swift. Even some of their facial moves are similar.

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    You noticed that, did you?

    Taylor adopted a very Debbie Harry look for a couple of years, with hair and makeup, I don't think they look all that much alike otherwise. Harry has a very, very wide face and a big head,so much so that it is probably one reason she never made it on the big screen to the degree a lot of people thought she would. (She's done a lot of films, but the vast majority were art house projects.)

    Both have boyish bodies, but Tay is 5'11 and Deb is 5'3". (Well, D was boyish in her youth, she filled out the famous Levis everyone wanted nicely, but those were boy's Levis, which would have squeezed the butt of any woman with a really nice bottom.) Neither one has large breasts.

    Taylor and the Blondies would seem ideal for a CMT Crossroads show, where 'country' and not-"country' artists are paired up for a concert collaboration. Blondie are not that big in the US but internationally are much bigger than flyover Americans realize. I think Taylor sells internationally but her primary market is flyover America. D is still a stronger singer, her range has dropped at least a fifth from the 70s, but she can definitely still work it. And I doubt the two women have any problems with each other. (The female country artist that would seem to be the best match in terms of age and appearance, I hear they Do. Not. Speak. And she has already done that show a couple of times at least.)

    I realize that Taylor is not really a country artist except in the sense that, say, Olivia Newton John was, but it's all about labels. And given that Taylor has become a fairly decent guitar player, having her on the same stage as the man who will be the greatest rock and roll drummer alive the day Ginger Baker dies and the young-gun studio pros (Matt and Tommy) that replaced the banished ones might be a fun set.
    , @BB753
    According to our dear friend and commenter Truth, our resident specialist in transexuals, both Debbie Harris and Taylor Swift are dudes. Go figure!
    https://youtu.be/nf0oXY4nDxE
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  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @dfordoom

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.
     
    You're forgetting that the big turn-ons for women are money and power. If the guy was rich and powerful then it's very very likely that the woman thought it was hot. Whether the guy was creepy or ugly is irrelevant, as long as he had an enormous bulge in his wallet.

    Women don’t find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it’s with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

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    "You can't hide those Lyin Eyes"
    , @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

    , @Neuday
    So you've never heard of Alpha Fux, Beta Bux?
    , @stillCARealist
    It's nice be a normal, middle-class, moral, well-adjusted American woman. With a husband and children. All this hotness/cheating/groping/horniness talk can sound like modern poetry or art: Utterly meaningless and empty.

    Marriage, intimacy, and procreation are where it's at.
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  20. I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they’re too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I’m definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this ‘rape culture’ business is a bunch of nonsense, I don’t doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn’t lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn’t this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They’re lashing out because they’re beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they’ll be fine. But my daughters I’m not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

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    I remember in the early 70s when I was married and had children, listening to women in the neighborhood enthused about women’s liberation.

    I thought they had a pretty good life already, keeping house, raising kids, having lunch going to book clubs, playing bridge with their husbands in evenings, going to gourmet clubs and to movies and plays on weekends with their husbands.

    I remember thinking, “Be careful what you wish for.”
    , @guest
    I regret sex, but I imagine it's not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Read Florence King. She called herself a "Failed Southern Lady," but despite an active (and varied) libido, she knew how to defend herself against drunken Good Ol' Boys--with a spike-heeled 50s shoe, if necessary. She also didn't give mixed messages.
    , @Luke Lea

    I mean isn’t this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They’re lashing out because they’re beginning to realize they got conned.
     
    I believe Spotted Toad somewhere links to a poll showing that women are less happy now than they used to be, and men more so: https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/

    Reading goings-on in the manosphere I would have thought it was just the other way around.
    , @Forbes
    The so-called sexual revolution/women's liberation sold women a bill of goods--"you can have it all"--that some/many have come to regret. Women already had the upper hand, i.e. the power of pussy and the purse strings (money was spent on them, whether dating or in marriage), yet were convinced they needed "equality."

    The sexual revolution liberated constraints regarding female modesty/promiscuity, which literally flooded the market with a most prized and cherished attribute--exclusive access and affection. Such flooding devalued that which men willingly "paid-up" for in terms of early commitment to marriage and a continuing financial obligation to family.

    So, having it all meant motherhood and the world of work--gainful employment--so they could have equal say in spending what was already theirs--the family income.

    Is anyone really surprised that some/many women have (are having) second thoughts about the trade-offs they've made? That they've discovered 20-20 hindsight is revealing of some discrepancies in past behavior? That they wish to have a do-over?
    , @Anon7
    Feminism was a con right from the start. There is a small group of women, the smartest upper 1% in intelligence and drive, who knew that they'd never have the chance to fully realize their potential unless ALL women were pushed out of the house and had equality forced upon them.

    This high level group are highly paid lawyers, physicians, vice-presidents of companies, etc. They got exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately, for every one of these there are fifty women who are forced to stand behind a register at Walmart or something similar, and then use their salary to pay for childcare and prepared meals (crappy imitation of their traditional role output), with a net financial gain of zero.
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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    I find a degree of appealing honesty in that photo… as if they’re saying, yeah, that’s how it is, but we actually like each other and get along and that’s something.

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    There's also the photo I included at the top of the article below, where they're both holding the sheet of dollars and looking at the camera. They seem to genuinely like and take pride in each other. She's a gorgeous and stylish Scottish actress or something, and he's a rich and powerful master of the universe, who just the best Treasury Secretary perquisite: his signature on our currency.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4125463-omega-healthcare-investors-10-stocks-bought-instead
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  22. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    DailyMail has had pictures of Weinstein out having lunch with various women recently. Apparently there’s some still looking for some benefit or otherwise aren’t adverse to hanging around with him. This even as mobs of peasants armed with pitchforks are out hunting for fat nerds.’Revenge Against the Nerds’ should be his next movie project.

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  23. Alvin says:

    Steve, this is all well and good, but I feel like there are two topics you don’t post about. Mass shootings committed by whites, of which there have been many lately, and crimes by blacks when they involve your beloved UCLA bruins, of which there are also many. The theft by the UCLA basketball players in China was a big deal on many levels, akin to the acts of the USA Olympian swimmers in Brazil – including race, sports and political involvement by the president. All of your favorite topics, yet you completely ignored it.

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    All of your favorite topics, yet you completely ignored it.
     
    It's been covered in depth elsewhere; not much new isteve material to be offered.
    , @Neuday
    Alvin, you seem to have been raised in a Culture of Critique, no?

    This is Steve's blog, and he seems a likable guy, so why ask him to delve into topics that are either well-covered elsewhere (e.g. liberal/crazy whites with guns) or demithug Baaketbaw players nogging off somewhere.

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  24. Yes and no.

    Women want men to feel attracted to them. For a woman, it’s a huge self-esteem booster when a man finds her attractive. When a woman is attractive to a man, she also has power over him – and that can be a lot of fun as it allows her to yank him around. For a woman, it’s particularly fun when she gets to manipulate a wealthy/powerful individual.

    At the same time, women don’t actually want to have sex with a man unless he’s “hot” and “fun.” The majority of women obviously have to compromise (to some extent) on these standards, but their goal is to maximize “hotness” and “funness.” So if you’re Harvey Weinstein or any of these powerful men, women don’t actually want to sleep with you or even physically touch you. They just want to toy with you and extract favors/money from you.

    What a lot of these women didn’t realize is that they were dealing with men who were much smarter, more manipulative, and more aggressive than them. So lots of these women sort of ended up getting “screwed” (no pun intended) in the end.

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  25. @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with “Rocky Balboa” was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I’m sure he probably didn’t have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he’s well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn’t have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker (“Fast and Furious”) started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn’t say much. Mostly because women thought he was “super hot.” If he had been ugly or akward, there would’ve been more outrage.

    If a man is “hot,” he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be “hot.”

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    If a man is “hot,” he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be “hot.”
     
    Reminds me of that great SNL skit with Tom Brady some years back. It was a fake 1950s-style training film on how to avoid harassment charges from women in the workplace.

    It featured a nebbish man nervously asking women for a date. Each woman sneers in disgust then picks up the phone and calls security.

    Tom Brady's character waltzes up to women at their desks in his underwear, then cups a breast after getting her phone number. The women giggle and swoon.

    The main pointers to avoid sexual harassment charges are shown on the screen at the end:

    1) Be handsome
    2) Be attractive
    3) Don't be unattractive

    Brilliantly funny cuz it's true.
    , @Anonymous
    She got creeped out because it was a DP. I don't think she would have been that bothered otherwise.
    , @Anonymous

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.
     
    No good deed goes unpunished.
    , @NOTA
    Cosby didn't have to drug and rape anyone to get laid--drugging and raping women was just his hobby.

    Weinstein similarly could have gotten laid plenty by just being who he was (lots of women would sleep with him in hopes of the connections helping them get into acting or get a desired role), but he was too powerful for anyone to tell him no, so he apparently just groped (or raped) anyone he thought he could get away with.
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  26. J.Ross says: • Website

    Women can make all of this go away instantly by adopting a severely autistic sexual ritual, and bluntly giving syntactically recognizable commands. For reasons deeply hardwired into Woman this will never happen. What looks like passivity is actually more like sitting at a judges’ table, quietly evaluating a performance. Every woman knows without thinking that clarity (and doing initiation themselves) would be a loss of power. Very few women could handle the rejection that all men are expected to swallow without so much as wincing.
    Ours is painfully stupid system, causing completely avoidable pain, but for the most part it works — for women. And men will always go along with what works for women. This is like every other case of the crooked timber of humanity failing to bear out the brilliance of fashionable legal or mass media obsessions.

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    It doesn't rely work for women, though. Because almost none of them get what they actually want, which is commitment from the Big Man.

    As far as men go, many, many more of them are losers. But a lucky few get to be harem-masters or cads-about-town, with their pick of the litter. They get a better deal than most women.
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  27. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    Wouldn’t you?

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  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault — not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one. Bringing up alleged incidents from decades ago that you didn’t find serious enough at the time to report to the police — what good can come of this?

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    Mansplaining
    Rape Apologist
    Listen to Women

    Any others?
    , @Olorin
    Are you suggesting "good" is in play here at any level?
    , @Forbes
    A "reasonable" limit would be akin to the chances that the rules of power politics would be reinvented--and Slim and None already had their say.
    , @dfordoom

    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault
     
    The most powerful argument in favour of a reasonable statute of limitations is that after several decades it is simply no longer possible for the accused to have a fair trial. Witnesses have died. Evidence has been destroyed or lost. Memories are no longer reliable. It's especially a problem with "crimes" like sexual harsassment that are purely subjective and hopelessly vague anyway.

    Of course that's why feminists don't want a statute of limitations for these "crimes" - they don't want the men accused to get a fair trial.
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  29. Neoconned says:
    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    Its funny how nowadays women can retract consent 40 yrs after the fact…..

    And feel the need to be called a victim and be patted on the back etc…..

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    Captain Renault, pick up the white courtesy phone...Captain Renault...
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  30. Hubbub says:

    So lots of these women sort of ended up getting “screwed” (no pun intended) in the end.

    So lots of these women sort of ended up getting “screwed” (no pun intended) in the end (no pun intended, again).

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  31. Whiskey says: • Website

    Regret Rape is real, and women figure if they regret it, its rape. Simple as feelz. Which is really all women care about in the end.

    The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile. It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them; save a few Alpha men who boss them around and look like Tom Brady with the wealth and power of Bill Gates. If they can’t have that, utter and total brutality along Mongol or Islamic lines will do just as well.

    The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible.

    IF and only IF most men were Alpha males, then men and women’s goals would be mutually compatible. But they are not; and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms.

    Thus the redefinition — White women are on a rampage and won’t be satisfied until beta males just looking at some woman is a jailable offense, while Black rape of White women is excused from any consequence legal or moral or social, because “raycisssss.”

    Just ask Emily Yoffe.

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    "IF and only IF most men were alpha males, then men and women's goals would be mutually compatible"

    But most men can't be alpha males, by definition. Men could be as close to equal in attractiveness you can imagine, doesn't matter. Women would still compete with eachother for the better ones. They have infinitely fine instruments for detecting such differences.

    There's a fundamental imbalance between reproductive strategies. Various social systems have been set up to deal with it. Ours isn't very good. The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood.

    The harem system was relatively stable throughout history, with the less said about loser makes the better. I imagine this was the more popular form throughout human history. Earlier forms, maybe, were women as gang-rape victims/chattel. Not as stable.
    , @Corvinus
    There you go again with this socio-sexual hierarchy, which is simply hucksters trying to sell this notion that a "natural" order exists among men. It's pseudo intellectualism at its finest.

    "The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile."

    The aim of the general American male and female population is to find a mate. They have their personal criteria in mind. When that personal criteria jibes, they date, marry, and have children. But leave it to the Roosh's and the Roissy's of the world--single men--to argue that men are doing the world a favor by pumping and dumping already damaged women in hopes that patriarchy will once again dominate the Western Civilization landscape.

    "It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them..."

    Perhaps it is the women who YOU found interesting that acted in this manner. That does not mean, however, that their conduct is a feature of the female species.

    "The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible."

    With "hot", again, being something of a personal preference. Jessica Biel or Lonnie Anderson? Carrie Ireland or Rooney Mara? Different strokes for different folks.

    "IF and only IF most men were Alpha males..."

    I would surmise that there are more "alpha males" out there, but are labeled something different by those observing the Vox Dayian created social-sexual hierarchy. In other words, it's subjective.

    "and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms."

    Assuming that your standards of beauty are THE criteria by which women ought to be measured by.
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  32. There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault — not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one.

    That goes double for mass shootings. Nobody holds the press responsible in any way for the Texas massacre, even though it came shortly after wall-to-wall coverage of the Vegas pachinko fest.

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  33. Maj. Kong says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault -- not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one. Bringing up alleged incidents from decades ago that you didn't find serious enough at the time to report to the police -- what good can come of this?

    Mansplaining
    Rape Apologist
    Listen to Women

    Any others?

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  34. Moses says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with "Rocky Balboa" was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I'm sure he probably didn't have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he's well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn't have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker ("Fast and Furious") started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn't say much. Mostly because women thought he was "super hot." If he had been ugly or akward, there would've been more outrage.

    If a man is "hot," he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be "hot."

    If a man is “hot,” he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be “hot.”

    Reminds me of that great SNL skit with Tom Brady some years back. It was a fake 1950s-style training film on how to avoid harassment charges from women in the workplace.

    It featured a nebbish man nervously asking women for a date. Each woman sneers in disgust then picks up the phone and calls security.

    Tom Brady’s character waltzes up to women at their desks in his underwear, then cups a breast after getting her phone number. The women giggle and swoon.

    The main pointers to avoid sexual harassment charges are shown on the screen at the end:

    1) Be handsome
    2) Be attractive
    3) Don’t be unattractive

    Brilliantly funny cuz it’s true.

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    That's my cue:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426
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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with "Rocky Balboa" was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I'm sure he probably didn't have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he's well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn't have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker ("Fast and Furious") started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn't say much. Mostly because women thought he was "super hot." If he had been ugly or akward, there would've been more outrage.

    If a man is "hot," he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be "hot."

    She got creeped out because it was a DP. I don’t think she would have been that bothered otherwise.

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    Indeed. She stated as much to the police at the time. In fact, I suspect if Stallone hadn't threatened her with violence, maybe the DP would have been okay too. I think she was reacting to the way they treated her, not the way they treated her (so to speak).

    The really creepy thing is Stallone raping his own sister.

    Also, I'd like to say that my father, who is 72, has a physique as good as or better than Stallone's despite all his roids and trainers. So, older men, just get in the gym and push iron.
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  36. @Anon
    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

    “You can’t hide those Lyin Eyes”

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  37. eah says:

    Yet more evidence that, like children, women are best seen, not heard — and should probably not be allowed to vote.

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    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    , @TTSSYF
    The women who found him attractive were on the Left, and I doubt too many of them would find him attractive now, with his loss of muscle mass and boney fingers. I never found him attractive, even when he was first elected. But then, I'm not a liberal.
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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with "Rocky Balboa" was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I'm sure he probably didn't have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he's well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn't have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker ("Fast and Furious") started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn't say much. Mostly because women thought he was "super hot." If he had been ugly or akward, there would've been more outrage.

    If a man is "hot," he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be "hot."

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    No good deed goes unpunished.

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  40. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

    I agree it’s not the same, but it’s not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman’s mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

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    • Replies: @NickG

    women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations
     
    This is very true.
    , @Mark G.
    I'm an average looking guy. I was in a bar in Chicago one time near a couple of cute girls. One of them looked at me and got an excited look on her face. She tapped her friend on the shoulder and said something and then she got an excited look on her face. Then they both ran over to me and started gushing and shaking my hand and saying they had always wanted to meet me. I think if I had asked them to go back to my hotel room with me they would have. I don't know who they thought I was but they had mistaken me for someone famous. It made me realize how much female interest in men depends not just on looks. If a guy was famous he would be dealing with this from women all the time. Since most guys aren't famous they don't realize this unless something happens to them like what happened with me.
    , @Pericles
    "It just happened!"
    , @Anon
    Being a musician is hot. Musicians in no name bar bands also do great with the ladies.

    Being picked over all the other groupies is also very hot. Being groped because your body part was there, and hey why not, is not the same thing.

    As for whether women understand our own motivations, well I'm not a Hollywood actress, so I'm engaging in external pattern recognition here, same as you. E.g: straight actors supposedly do these favors for gay producers, too. So there's no reason to believe that the actresses are getting anything out of it sexually at all, any more than the actors are . Same economic logic as the guys, same behavior.
    , @SteveRogers42
    "It's complicated."
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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Similar female contrariness over the hardcore pornography issue – perhaps the real defining characteristic of the internet age.

    Feminists types want to completely eradicate porn. An impossible Sisyphean task given the capabilities of modern electronics, but they still plan to do it – house searches, enforcement police, heavy penalties, mass censorship and all.

    The other side of coin is that women, attractive young women in their thousands upon thousands are the ones choosing to keep the porn industry going by their mercenary acceptance of cash for the ‘sexual bargain’.

    An obvious and intractable dilemma which vividly displays the pure nonsense of all this ‘equality’ garbage.

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    Feminist types want to completely eradicate porn? Not that I've ever heard. The only anti-porn people I've ever encountered were the old American Family Association. I see from a quick search that the SPLC considers them a hate group.
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  42. @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    I remember in the early 70s when I was married and had children, listening to women in the neighborhood enthused about women’s liberation.

    I thought they had a pretty good life already, keeping house, raising kids, having lunch going to book clubs, playing bridge with their husbands in evenings, going to gourmet clubs and to movies and plays on weekends with their husbands.

    I remember thinking, “Be careful what you wish for.”

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  43. Olorin says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    Those are 30 Georges, not Benjamins.

    More like she’s laughing at the gentleman’s underendowment.

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    I count 50.

    What kind of cheap floozy do you think she is?
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  44. Olorin says:
    @eah
    Yet more evidence that, like children, women are best seen, not heard -- and should probably not be allowed to vote.

    https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/931034471087841280

    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I’d also disqualify non-landowners.

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    You remind me of somebody:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk
    , @Samuel Skinner
    I believe in One Man, One Vote. Only The Man gets The Vote and everyone else doesn't. Autocracy is the only stable equilibrium- limited suffrage inevitably descends into universal suffrage.
    , @eah
    https://allesevolution.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/male_female_bell_curve_.png
    , @TTSSYF
    You don't get to vote in a company unless you own shares in it, and your vote is proportional to the number of shares. Likewise, I would limit voting to some sort of ownership in the country; i.e., owning land, paying federal income taxes. It would be great if there were some sort of IQ or logical thinking requirement or some other test for maturity. Of course, none of this is going to happen except, maybe, after our complete decline and it emerges after the resulting chaos settles.
    , @L Woods
    IQ != judgement.
    , @dfordoom

    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.
     
    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting. The higher the IQ the more crazy things people believe. Socialism, feminism, LGBT "rights," open borders - these are foolish ideas that only high IQ people actually believe in.

    Confining the vote to high IQ is an excellent recipe for a totalitarian dystopian nightmare world.

    The vote should be confined to people in the 90-110 IQ range. Enough brains to comprehend reality but not enough brains to believe in utopian nonsense.
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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    Can Louise Linton help it, or is she trolling? Forget Marie Antoinette, she has supplanted the role of walking stereotype of unaccomplished AMW turned Beltway-famous. It seems like a worked shoot. Is American politics still distinguishable from pro wrestling?

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  46. @Anon
    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

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    Sometimes the most simple and most cynical answer is the best one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brKwex4UXaw
    , @BB753
    And pity husband-daddy #2! Marrying a young divorcee seldom ends well. Even dating them can be a nightmare if you're not a young dude.
    , @Anonymous
    Not really, unless the young guy likes roast beef.
    , @Anon
    Yes, that was my point. The rebound guy, as you note, is a young guy who satisfies her needs. Not an ugly old rich guy who gropes her while she's asleep.
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  47. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I find a degree of appealing honesty in that photo... as if they're saying, yeah, that's how it is, but we actually like each other and get along and that's something.

    There’s also the photo I included at the top of the article below, where they’re both holding the sheet of dollars and looking at the camera. They seem to genuinely like and take pride in each other. She’s a gorgeous and stylish Scottish actress or something, and he’s a rich and powerful master of the universe, who just the best Treasury Secretary perquisite: his signature on our currency.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4125463-omega-healthcare-investors-10-stocks-bought-instead

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  48. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I think this is all a distraction from the plight of supermodels denied certain avenues of professional camaraderie due to having overly large breasts. Which was an actual clickbait garbage controversy this summer.

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    Most supermodels have undersized breasts.

    If they're big for their bodies, they're likely fake. Which makes it their fault.

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  49. @Anonymous
    She got creeped out because it was a DP. I don't think she would have been that bothered otherwise.

    Indeed. She stated as much to the police at the time. In fact, I suspect if Stallone hadn’t threatened her with violence, maybe the DP would have been okay too. I think she was reacting to the way they treated her, not the way they treated her (so to speak).

    The really creepy thing is Stallone raping his own sister.

    Also, I’d like to say that my father, who is 72, has a physique as good as or better than Stallone’s despite all his roids and trainers. So, older men, just get in the gym and push iron.

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  50. NickG says:
    @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

    women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations

    This is very true.

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  51. @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

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    Since 1985, a substantial industry has grown up around "womens' counseling" or "rape crisis" or whatever you want to call it. Part of what they do is to urge women to press charges, coach them on how to tell their story, etc. Which isn't entirely terrible, but it does seem a bit witch-hunty.
    , @Forbes
    Surely you can accept that after 32 years, she finally clarified her mind and de-conflicted what happened.
    , @Anon
    No, the problem was that she was 16 years old. Most 16 year olds aren't clear in their minds about anything. The age of consent for women should be at least 18, because although they can have sexual earlier, many women are still emotionally immature below 18.
    , @Pericles

    Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

     

    Academic feminism has worked hard on muddying the waters for a few decades now.
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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    I'm not certain what this reveals about anything that matters, but... I just realized that Debbie Harry looks strikingly like Taylor Swift. Even some of their facial moves are similar.

    You noticed that, did you?

    Taylor adopted a very Debbie Harry look for a couple of years, with hair and makeup, I don’t think they look all that much alike otherwise. Harry has a very, very wide face and a big head,so much so that it is probably one reason she never made it on the big screen to the degree a lot of people thought she would. (She’s done a lot of films, but the vast majority were art house projects.)

    Both have boyish bodies, but Tay is 5’11 and Deb is 5’3″. (Well, D was boyish in her youth, she filled out the famous Levis everyone wanted nicely, but those were boy’s Levis, which would have squeezed the butt of any woman with a really nice bottom.) Neither one has large breasts.

    Taylor and the Blondies would seem ideal for a CMT Crossroads show, where ‘country’ and not-”country’ artists are paired up for a concert collaboration. Blondie are not that big in the US but internationally are much bigger than flyover Americans realize. I think Taylor sells internationally but her primary market is flyover America. D is still a stronger singer, her range has dropped at least a fifth from the 70s, but she can definitely still work it. And I doubt the two women have any problems with each other. (The female country artist that would seem to be the best match in terms of age and appearance, I hear they Do. Not. Speak. And she has already done that show a couple of times at least.)

    I realize that Taylor is not really a country artist except in the sense that, say, Olivia Newton John was, but it’s all about labels. And given that Taylor has become a fairly decent guitar player, having her on the same stage as the man who will be the greatest rock and roll drummer alive the day Ginger Baker dies and the young-gun studio pros (Matt and Tommy) that replaced the banished ones might be a fun set.

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  53. Olorin says:

    If the path back to more traditional (which is to say empirically proven) standards of deportment for America’s women (and men) is littered with the trashy careers of Weinstein, Franken, Spacey, Stallone, etc….

    …wal, that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to see them make.

    But we still have a ways to go to bridge the feminine emptiness systematically excavated out of their souls over the past 50 years by those who’ve specialized in transubstantiating souls into money and power.

    Men too. I suspect it’s going to be a lot harder to vanquish the Playboy than the Feminist…and harder still to vanquish the Beta and the Omega than the Slutwalker.

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  54. CCZ says:

    Some “male leverage” courtesy of computer imagery and some Russian trolling:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/the-mass-effect-neg/

    “A Russian pranklord created an app called MakeApp that uses digital magic to strip the makeup from photos of women. The before and after pictures have provoked a worldwide triggering in our slutwalkers.”

    Some good political stripped of “makeup” images appear at:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeApp?src=hash

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    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It's a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women "deceive" men into thinking they're beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman's beauty--or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive--but it can't turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.
    , @Anon
    The app leaves too much artificial color on the lips, and takes too much off around the eyes. The actual iris color appears to be lightened by the app, which is incorrect. Women also vary quite a bit in the color of their eyebrows and lashes, and some are naturally quite dark there even without makeup. An app that strips off this color is not giving an accurate idea of what they look like without makeup. One little quirk about the app. Because it's a lightener, it gives a lot of women a more Nordic appearance even if they're not Nordic.
    , @Ivy
    A low-tech app available to generations of college students was to work as a hasher at a sorority. You served coffee and tea after dinner and cleared the tables, for example in exchange for a free meal. Sunday breakfasts were illuminating, too, as those were self-serve with bleary-eyed, hungover gals stumbling downstairs to pour a bowl of cereal. The before and after images were revealing, as were the interactions with those without their war paint on.

    The young ladies, and they typically were, seemed more refined years ago, with more widespread exposure to and practice of etiquette and decorum. Many would be described as lovely, when that was a genuine compliment.
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  55. Olorin says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault -- not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one. Bringing up alleged incidents from decades ago that you didn't find serious enough at the time to report to the police -- what good can come of this?

    Are you suggesting “good” is in play here at any level?

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  56. guest says:
    @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    I regret sex, but I imagine it’s not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.

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    I regret sex, but I imagine it’s not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.
     
    So was it the sex? Or was it the sex with the wrong person?
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  57. guest says:
    @J.Ross
    Women can make all of this go away instantly by adopting a severely autistic sexual ritual, and bluntly giving syntactically recognizable commands. For reasons deeply hardwired into Woman this will never happen. What looks like passivity is actually more like sitting at a judges' table, quietly evaluating a performance. Every woman knows without thinking that clarity (and doing initiation themselves) would be a loss of power. Very few women could handle the rejection that all men are expected to swallow without so much as wincing.
    Ours is painfully stupid system, causing completely avoidable pain, but for the most part it works -- for women. And men will always go along with what works for women. This is like every other case of the crooked timber of humanity failing to bear out the brilliance of fashionable legal or mass media obsessions.

    It doesn’t rely work for women, though. Because almost none of them get what they actually want, which is commitment from the Big Man.

    As far as men go, many, many more of them are losers. But a lucky few get to be harem-masters or cads-about-town, with their pick of the litter. They get a better deal than most women.

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    Yeah, life sucks. Who knew it wasn't a bowl of cherries? Someone else is always getting a better deal, while I get the short end of the stick... ;-)
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  58. @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    You remind me of somebody:

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    :D

    Don't scoff at whatever gets the brightest guy in the room out of his wheelchair. Particularly here in the wake of half a century of dolt farming.

    Plus my scheme would make elections far more efficient...and put the entire electioneering communications and research industry in the unemployment line.

    Of course DS was bald (((propaganda))) against white warrior men. As, I suspect, was much of the hyperdriven super-dystopian nuclear-terror Cold War discourse/genre, both inside and outside of politics.

    That cultural programming for doom played havoc with many psyches from the 1950s on. I haven't yet seen anyone connect it to things like feminism, nihilism, and widespread self medication with drugs, food, porn, etc. But it is a quintessentially Abrahamic theme, terrorizing the masses with fire and brimstone, in this life or the next one.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    LOL!
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  59. @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    I believe in One Man, One Vote. Only The Man gets The Vote and everyone else doesn’t. Autocracy is the only stable equilibrium- limited suffrage inevitably descends into universal suffrage.

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  60. Olorin says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You remind me of somebody:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk

    :D

    Don’t scoff at whatever gets the brightest guy in the room out of his wheelchair. Particularly here in the wake of half a century of dolt farming.

    Plus my scheme would make elections far more efficient…and put the entire electioneering communications and research industry in the unemployment line.

    Of course DS was bald (((propaganda))) against white warrior men. As, I suspect, was much of the hyperdriven super-dystopian nuclear-terror Cold War discourse/genre, both inside and outside of politics.

    That cultural programming for doom played havoc with many psyches from the 1950s on. I haven’t yet seen anyone connect it to things like feminism, nihilism, and widespread self medication with drugs, food, porn, etc. But it is a quintessentially Abrahamic theme, terrorizing the masses with fire and brimstone, in this life or the next one.

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  61. guest says:
    @Whiskey
    Regret Rape is real, and women figure if they regret it, its rape. Simple as feelz. Which is really all women care about in the end.

    The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile. It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them; save a few Alpha men who boss them around and look like Tom Brady with the wealth and power of Bill Gates. If they can't have that, utter and total brutality along Mongol or Islamic lines will do just as well.

    The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible.

    IF and only IF most men were Alpha males, then men and women's goals would be mutually compatible. But they are not; and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms.

    Thus the redefinition -- White women are on a rampage and won't be satisfied until beta males just looking at some woman is a jailable offense, while Black rape of White women is excused from any consequence legal or moral or social, because "raycisssss."

    Just ask Emily Yoffe.

    “IF and only IF most men were alpha males, then men and women’s goals would be mutually compatible”

    But most men can’t be alpha males, by definition. Men could be as close to equal in attractiveness you can imagine, doesn’t matter. Women would still compete with eachother for the better ones. They have infinitely fine instruments for detecting such differences.

    There’s a fundamental imbalance between reproductive strategies. Various social systems have been set up to deal with it. Ours isn’t very good. The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood.

    The harem system was relatively stable throughout history, with the less said about loser makes the better. I imagine this was the more popular form throughout human history. Earlier forms, maybe, were women as gang-rape victims/chattel. Not as stable.

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    "The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood."

    The "Victorian style" involved a lot of prostitution. Mrs. Beeton, author of the first English cookbook, died of syphilis brought home by her husband.
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  62. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    I think this is all a distraction from the plight of supermodels denied certain avenues of professional camaraderie due to having overly large breasts. Which was an actual clickbait garbage controversy this summer.

    Most supermodels have undersized breasts.

    If they’re big for their bodies, they’re likely fake. Which makes it their fault.

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    No. Their breasts aren't undersized, just lacking in substance in proportion to their general waifishness.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Tyra Banks -- the exception that proves the rule.
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  63. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm not certain what this reveals about anything that matters, but... I just realized that Debbie Harry looks strikingly like Taylor Swift. Even some of their facial moves are similar.

    According to our dear friend and commenter Truth, our resident specialist in transexuals, both Debbie Harris and Taylor Swift are dudes. Go figure!

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    Debbie Harry is most certainly not and has never been a dude. Sorry.

    There is the photographic evidence, which in her case goes back to her high school pictures, and before, all of which were widely reproduced in print before the days of Photoshop. There was also a book for photographers on nude figure photography (Fine Figure Photography, Richard Santuci, 1971, still fairly widely available) in which she modeled.

    And anyone who had a front row seat at the Escape From New York tour, as I did twice, can tell you from personal observation.

    As well, I know guys who have, shall we say, had more intimate experiences, and one of them for sure knows the manmade one from the natural.

    We are dealing with a Real Girl here.
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  64. Sabril says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

    Since 1985, a substantial industry has grown up around “womens’ counseling” or “rape crisis” or whatever you want to call it. Part of what they do is to urge women to press charges, coach them on how to tell their story, etc. Which isn’t entirely terrible, but it does seem a bit witch-hunty.

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    "Since 1985"

    Well before then. The industry also serves as a lesbian recruitment service.

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  65. @CCZ
    Some "male leverage" courtesy of computer imagery and some Russian trolling:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/the-mass-effect-neg/

    “A Russian pranklord created an app called MakeApp that uses digital magic to strip the makeup from photos of women. The before and after pictures have provoked a worldwide triggering in our slutwalkers.”

    Some good political stripped of "makeup" images appear at:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeApp?src=hash

    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It’s a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women “deceive” men into thinking they’re beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman’s beauty–or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive–but it can’t turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.

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    • Replies: @Sabril
    If you image search for celebrities without makeup, you'll find a lot of shocking pictures.

    I guess makeup can't make an ugly woman beautiful, but if you combine makeup, lighting, retouching etc, you can go a long way towards minimizing the early effects of aging, sun exposure, and drug abuse.
    , @Forbes

    It’s a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women “deceive” men into thinking they’re beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup.
     
    An equally strange delusion of women, and cosmetic companies, for the billions of dollars spent to look "marginally more attractive" for no apparent good reason--as make-up "can’t turn that average-looking woman into a beauty."

    It's a puzzle.
    , @Perplexed
    "The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished." Makeup is about glamour.
    , @Anonymous
    Right, for most women it's just lipstick on a pig.
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  66. @Sabril
    Since 1985, a substantial industry has grown up around "womens' counseling" or "rape crisis" or whatever you want to call it. Part of what they do is to urge women to press charges, coach them on how to tell their story, etc. Which isn't entirely terrible, but it does seem a bit witch-hunty.

    “Since 1985″

    Well before then. The industry also serves as a lesbian recruitment service.

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    When I started college in the late 80s, the campus feminists were in the process of convincing the administration to fund a "women's center" and a "rape education project"

    One of the first things they did was lobby the school to lower the standard of proof in disciplinary cases.

    Anyway, I won't dispute that these types of activities pre-date 1985, but it does seem they have grown substantially since then.
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  67. Sabril says:
    @Charlotte Allen
    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It's a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women "deceive" men into thinking they're beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman's beauty--or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive--but it can't turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.

    If you image search for celebrities without makeup, you’ll find a lot of shocking pictures.

    I guess makeup can’t make an ugly woman beautiful, but if you combine makeup, lighting, retouching etc, you can go a long way towards minimizing the early effects of aging, sun exposure, and drug abuse.

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    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

    , @Anon
    Northern European women get less sun than an actress living in southern California. Women with light complexions age faster the closer they live to to the equator, because their skin didn't evolve to handle a lot of sun damage. Hollywood actresses are also more inclined to abuse drugs and alcohol than the average northern European woman.
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  68. eah says:
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    Negroes do in fact create slums in precisely these ways; truth is an absolute defence to allegations of defamation, so I don't see why the man resigned....
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  69. eah says:
    @eah

    Earlier by the same guy:

    On Twitter, Michael Flynn interacted with alt-right, made controversial comments on Muslims, shared fake news

    What kind of “man” does “work” of this sort?

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    Playing the game of "gotcha" for clickbait in the media is a perennial.
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  70. eah says:
    @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

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  71. Sabril says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Since 1985"

    Well before then. The industry also serves as a lesbian recruitment service.

    When I started college in the late 80s, the campus feminists were in the process of convincing the administration to fund a “women’s center” and a “rape education project”

    One of the first things they did was lobby the school to lower the standard of proof in disciplinary cases.

    Anyway, I won’t dispute that these types of activities pre-date 1985, but it does seem they have grown substantially since then.

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  72. @Sabril
    If you image search for celebrities without makeup, you'll find a lot of shocking pictures.

    I guess makeup can't make an ugly woman beautiful, but if you combine makeup, lighting, retouching etc, you can go a long way towards minimizing the early effects of aging, sun exposure, and drug abuse.

    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn’t look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I’m not sure that’s all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

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    guessing Geena Davis
    , @Sabril
    Personal taste I guess. For me, there is much less sex appeal if I know the woman is unattractive underneath. An extreme example would be a drag queen.

    I suppose there is a fine line between enhancement and fraud. Like the difference between a sexy bra & panty combo and a padded bra + spanx.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/33/a3/4a33a3ea8c97e3bb2930aec1c90e86b5.jpg
    , @Jack O'Fire
    No other hints, Steve?
    Using "goddess" makes me think 40's/50's actresses in the old studio system and though I'm not that old, the last goddess to me would be Sophia Loren.
    We all like gossip...
    , @Stan Adams
    Meryl Streep married a plastic surgeon (Bruce Willis) in Death Becomes Her. It's not a great movie, but it does have its moments.

    Meryl Streep gets a magical makeover:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqTTejoQVXw

    This is the most impressive makeup job in that flick:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-pgK_Rvuwc
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  73. @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    Notice how if you just look at the white/black pattern of Washington’s head it looks like a question mark? A whole bunch a’ question marks, in fact.

    What does that tell ya? Huh?

    Subliminally, it reveals that the Illuminati have been undermining the value of our worthless fiat currency for decades!

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  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    You remind me of somebody:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk

    LOL!

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  75. @guest
    I regret sex, but I imagine it's not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.

    I regret sex, but I imagine it’s not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.

    So was it the sex? Or was it the sex with the wrong person?

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    It's not the sex itself you ever regret, but rather some aspect of the circumstances. Like what you spent hanging out with her before the sex. Or like after the sex, you might just want her to get lost, but she sticks around and you have to talk to her and make inane conversation, or you have to drive her a ways home. Women are terrible conversationalists and they never have anything interesting to say. They just don't have enough interest in things and non-fiction material. Reading an encyclopedia is a lot more interesting than talking to women, because there's lots of interesting material in it and you always learn something new. That's never the case when talking to women.
    , @guest
    The person, usually, though it runs over into how you feel about the physical sex. Once it was about the sex act itself.

    I must admit, these feelings are vastly outweighed by regret in the opposite direction, i.e. of failing to go for it.

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  76. bomag says:
    @Alvin
    Steve, this is all well and good, but I feel like there are two topics you don't post about. Mass shootings committed by whites, of which there have been many lately, and crimes by blacks when they involve your beloved UCLA bruins, of which there are also many. The theft by the UCLA basketball players in China was a big deal on many levels, akin to the acts of the USA Olympian swimmers in Brazil - including race, sports and political involvement by the president. All of your favorite topics, yet you completely ignored it.

    All of your favorite topics, yet you completely ignored it.

    It’s been covered in depth elsewhere; not much new isteve material to be offered.

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  77. TTSSYF says:
    @eah
    Yet more evidence that, like children, women are best seen, not heard -- and should probably not be allowed to vote.

    https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/931034471087841280

    The women who found him attractive were on the Left, and I doubt too many of them would find him attractive now, with his loss of muscle mass and boney fingers. I never found him attractive, even when he was first elected. But then, I’m not a liberal.

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  78. CK says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

    Sometimes the most simple and most cynical answer is the best one.

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    Stephen Stills written (and performed) song.
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  79. TTSSYF says:
    @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    You don’t get to vote in a company unless you own shares in it, and your vote is proportional to the number of shares. Likewise, I would limit voting to some sort of ownership in the country; i.e., owning land, paying federal income taxes. It would be great if there were some sort of IQ or logical thinking requirement or some other test for maturity. Of course, none of this is going to happen except, maybe, after our complete decline and it emerges after the resulting chaos settles.

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  80. Lurker says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    You're right that Steve is being completely schizoid on this issue. But Weinstein and Stallone were both definitely able to attract very high status women regardless of what you think about their desirability. I suspect Franken was too if I went looking. As for exactly what went down I don't claim to know but I think we're all inherently suspicious of women's public rationalizations of their sexual behavior.

    In the Franken case the girl wasn’t doing anything, it was all Franken.

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  81. BB753 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

    And pity husband-daddy #2! Marrying a young divorcee seldom ends well. Even dating them can be a nightmare if you’re not a young dude.

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  82. Lurker says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    The lady from Del Monte, she say yes!

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  83. Lurker says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Let me guess you are 5′ 9″ or shorter.
     
    You can't be talking about our Steve.

    Yes, I wondered about that. Our Steve is a big lad.

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  84. jackmcg says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

    guessing Geena Davis

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  85. Mark G. says:
    @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

    I’m an average looking guy. I was in a bar in Chicago one time near a couple of cute girls. One of them looked at me and got an excited look on her face. She tapped her friend on the shoulder and said something and then she got an excited look on her face. Then they both ran over to me and started gushing and shaking my hand and saying they had always wanted to meet me. I think if I had asked them to go back to my hotel room with me they would have. I don’t know who they thought I was but they had mistaken me for someone famous. It made me realize how much female interest in men depends not just on looks. If a guy was famous he would be dealing with this from women all the time. Since most guys aren’t famous they don’t realize this unless something happens to them like what happened with me.

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  86. NOTA says:
    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    Yeah, I’m sure Weinstein found it hot, but the women who had to put out for him in order to get a part in a movie probably found it pretty damned unpleasant. And the ones who had to put up with groping or worse with a smile because he could wreck their careers *really* didn’t find the experience hot.

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  87. NOTA says:
    @Anon
    No, Steve. Girls would be proud to wrap a famous guy around their little finger. Getting treated like a piece of meat is not a rare distinction.

    It's one thing to be irresistible, it's another if the guy just can't be bothered to resist.

    I’m sure there are plenty of attractive young men who’ve found themselves weinsteined over the years. Probably very few found it arousing, but lots found it necessary to put up with in order to remain an actor instead of going back to waiting tables.

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    Those are usually called "boy toys." Sacrifices must be made.
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  88. Sabril says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

    Personal taste I guess. For me, there is much less sex appeal if I know the woman is unattractive underneath. An extreme example would be a drag queen.

    I suppose there is a fine line between enhancement and fraud. Like the difference between a sexy bra & panty combo and a padded bra + spanx.

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  89. @guest
    Most supermodels have undersized breasts.

    If they're big for their bodies, they're likely fake. Which makes it their fault.

    No. Their breasts aren’t undersized, just lacking in substance in proportion to their general waifishness.

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    What is the difference between that and undersized, I wonder.
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  90. NOTA says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, pretty much.

    As for Stallone, in the account given in the paper, the assaulted girl claimed that the 1986 encounter with "Rocky Balboa" was partially consensual. Howver, she got creeped out when he brought in his Italian-American meathead bodyguard and forced her to have sex with him.

    That seems to be a common occurrence. Famous actor/musician/athlete gets a woman to have consensual sex with him, then passes the woman off to less attractive/famous friends. Stallone passes his groupie off to an ugly bodyguard. The star quarterback/runningback passes off his girlfriend to some fat linebacker. At that point, it goes from consensual to rape.

    In his prime back in the 80s, Stallone was a huge action hero and sex symbol. So I'm sure he probably didn't have to rape women back then. Not like Weinstein, Cosby, etc. These days Stallone may still be famous, but he's well past the point of being a sex symbol (except maybe to senior citizen women). To the average woman in 2017, it sounds disgusting to think of Stallone having sex with a young girl. In 1986, it wouldn't have been so creepy.

    When super handsome Paul Walker ("Fast and Furious") started dating a 16 year-old girl, people didn't say much. Mostly because women thought he was "super hot." If he had been ugly or akward, there would've been more outrage.

    If a man is "hot," he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be "hot."

    Cosby didn’t have to drug and rape anyone to get laid–drugging and raping women was just his hobby.

    Weinstein similarly could have gotten laid plenty by just being who he was (lots of women would sleep with him in hopes of the connections helping them get into acting or get a desired role), but he was too powerful for anyone to tell him no, so he apparently just groped (or raped) anyone he thought he could get away with.

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    You got it.
    I can think of more than one occasion when a guy said the kind of ambiguous thing that would now be construed as sexual harassment. I thought they were flirting, so I flirted back.
    They lost interest.
    And before you speculate, I have modelled professionally--not the 5'9" anorexic high fashion stuff, just girl-next-door, reasonably pretty commercial print stuff.
    Judging by comparable occasions where I WASN'T interested, had I shown polite indifference followed (eventually) by increasing revulsion, they would have persisted.
    Some of these guys are still in 4th grade. Sexual harassment is just another form of throwing spitballs at girls.
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  91. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @fish
    Mnuchin should fire his PR people!


    Fucking Moron....just hand the left the stick with which to beat you!

    Have you never seen a rap viddy? Pure gangsta! Genius move!

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  92. The Craw says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    He’s a Jewish “10″.

    That’s a “5″ with $5 million Dollars.

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  93. Nico says:

    I agree with the sentiments above. The alleged incidents involving Trump, Moore and Clinton, I can imagine at least some of the girls in question finding “hot” (assuming of course all the incidents took place, and I believe some of them did, though not necessarily for all of the aforementioned chaps.) Those involving Weinstein, Franken and Stallone, less so.

    Ultimately with all the supposedly “grey” areas and he-said-she-said, we get back to what Melania Trump said during the campaign, that criminal allegations need to be handled in a criminal court. The ongoing chaos is a very good illustration of her point. In all but the most flagrant cases they probably shouldn’t be handled anywhere else before they are so handled.

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  94. 22pp22 says:
    @415 reasons
    The situations with Weinstein, Moore, Franken and Stallone are all decidedly not hot!

    Schlumpy ugly old Jew with dumpy body jerking off in public or demanding oral sex? Definitely not hot.

    Weirdo 30 year old trying to pick up high schoolers as waitresses? That's creepy and weird enough that people remember how strange it was 40 years later.

    Nebbishy, preppy Jewish dad in his 50s hitting on a 20 something in Maxim? That's a hard pass. And then forcing his tongue down her throat and groping her while she was asleep? Not hot.

    The Sly Stallone thing I'm sure the girl thought it was hot at first, but some rando meathead Italian jumping out of the bathroom? Yikes that's scary not hot.

    If these accounts are true none of them seem like they would have been hot at the time.

    Women are attracted by power, men by looks

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  95. Kit says:

    What is the source for this quote?

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  96. @Reg Cæsar

    Let me guess you are 5′ 9″ or shorter.
     
    You can't be talking about our Steve.

    Sam can’t be referring to Steve. He seemed quite aware of Steve’s height in a post in an earlier comment thread.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/world-series-look-alikes/#comment-2056822

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  97. Erik L says:
    @Sam Haysom
    Let me guess you are 5' 9" or shorter.

    I think Steve is pretty tall, like 6’4″ or 5″

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  98. It may only be a matter of days before we move on from offenders in the movie and television business to the music business. Practically every Sixties musician (and most thereafter) is entirely vulnerable to this kind of accusation. There are legions of groupies out there. If they hop onto this bandwagon, no one will be allowed to listen to rock anymore.

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    Not even close. Music/rock groupies would brag about who they slept with--not make harassment accusations.
    , @anonguy

    It may only be a matter of days before we move on from offenders in the movie and television business to the music business. Practically every Sixties musician (and most thereafter) is entirely vulnerable to this kind of accusation. There are legions of groupies out there. If they hop onto this bandwagon, no one will be allowed to listen to rock anymore.
     
    It is starting to have a Year Zero feel, isn't it? Again, for a spiritual rebirth to happen, something the Millenials are seeking in an atheistic society, even New Age is dead, the past has to be discarded or understood to be evil, vile, etc.

    More or less, millenials are finally overthrowing the degenerate (early) Boomer culture that has poisoned our society for the past half century.

    More power to them, I say. This is part of what we wanted, a return to decorum and modesty.
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  99. Wilkey says:

    “Yeah I agree with you, but I’m kinda sick of these things coming out decades later”

    As far as Weinstein, Spacey, etc., go – yeah, it’s stupid that women waited decades to report them, even after he harassed them on multiple occasions, but whatever.

    As for Roy Moore? Some of the things he did, if true, were flat out, unquestionably illegal. But why do these women – or the reporters and newspapers who print their stories – wait until barely a month before a crucial senate election to report them? The dude has been in the public eye for two decades or so. He’s already had a primary and a runoff, but they wait until *after* his party has committed itself to his nomination to say anything – like they did with Donald Trump and the Access Hollywood Tapes (one month and one day before the election), or the George Bush DUI story (less than a week before the election).

    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn’t pay close attention to the race, but I don’t know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn’t choose Mo Brooks over Moore. Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative. If I were a betting man I would bet it’s the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have with Mormons. But I’d probably vote for Moore just to send a message to the people who try to fuck with elections by waiting until just before to report decades-old stories in an effort to throw them to Democrats. But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally. The fact that he even got this far, after the ship he’s been doing for two decades, should be embarrassment enough.

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    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn’t pay close attention to the race, but I don’t know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn’t choose Mo Brooks over Moore.


    Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative.

    Wrong. Brooks is a pro-immigration GOPer. "Solid enough" = conformist political hack.


    If I were a betting man I would bet it’s the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have ...

    "Idiot evangelicals"? You're really in tune with Alabama voters.


    Why vote for Judge Moore?

    From Wikipedia:

    Moore was elected to the position of Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2001, but was removed from his position in November 2003 by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments commissioned by him from the Alabama Judicial Building, despite orders to do so by a federal court. Moore twice sought the Republican nomination for the governorship of Alabama (in 2006 and 2010), but lost in the primaries. Moore was again elected Chief Justice in 2013, but was suspended in May 2016, for directing probate judges to continue to enforce the state's ban on same-sex marriage despite the fact that this had been deemed unconstitutional.

    Me, I certainly would vote for Judge Moore if I were an Alabama voter.

    But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally.

    That's another point in Moore's favor.
    , @27 year old
    @ Unz

    Can we get a C U C K button like the agree, disagree, LOL and Troll buttons?
    , @SteveRogers42
    Who cares if the GOP is "embarrassed"? They've been embarrassing me since 1988.

    I don't care if Roy Moore is a practicing cannibal, because he's an anti-Globalist and he's a fighter. If there's any hope for our culture and our civilization, we need to realize that we're in a 4GW against Globalists and their Deep State, and we need to support other Nationalists if we care about winning this clash of civilizations.

    The fact that the country-club RINOs hate him is a feature, not a bug: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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  100. TheJester says:

    EXTRA … EXTRA … READ ALL ABOUT IT!

    CAA Sued Over Agent’s Alleged Sexual Assault of a Client

    Actress Demi Mann says that she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by Cameron Mitchell and that the agency ignored her request for help.

    CAA and agent Cameron Mitchell are being sued by an actress who says she was continually sexually harassed and assaulted on multiple occasions.

    Demi Mann says Mitchell discovered her at Coffee Bean, told her he would be her agent and mentor, made repeated false promises — including promising a role on a Marvel television project — and brazenly abused his power to gain her trust in order to have sex with her. She says he spent a year and a half working to make her feel beholden to him while failing to submit her for roles …

    Mann is suing for assault, battery, sexual battery, sexual harassment, gender violence, intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, unfair business practices and negligence.

    It seems we are back to something dear to the hearts of women: Bad sex is rape!

    “He told me he loved me … but he didn’t call me back. He had sex with me under false pretenses …”

    Demi Mann’s case is worse. Cameron Mitchell, like many of Harvey Weinstein’s accusors, promised the young lady Hollywood roles in exchange for sex.

    He didn’t come through with the roles … and I had sex with him for a whole damn year! I want to be paid !!!

    I thought we had a word for these kinds of sexual transactions.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/caa-sued-agents-alleged-sexual-assault-a-client-1059329

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  101. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

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    Time, the Avenger.
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  102. Jeez, I hope he touched them inappropriately. I’d hate to think America elected to the most powerful position in the world a man who was happy to sleep with a woman who looked at least a decade his senior every night without relief.

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  103. “He was gross and old. But I wanted him to want to have sex with me.”

    https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/women-look-back-on-sex-with-bosses-professors.html

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  104. @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    Read Florence King. She called herself a “Failed Southern Lady,” but despite an active (and varied) libido, she knew how to defend herself against drunken Good Ol’ Boys–with a spike-heeled 50s shoe, if necessary. She also didn’t give mixed messages.

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  105. Luke Lea says:
    @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    I mean isn’t this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They’re lashing out because they’re beginning to realize they got conned.

    I believe Spotted Toad somewhere links to a poll showing that women are less happy now than they used to be, and men more so: https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/

    Reading goings-on in the manosphere I would have thought it was just the other way around.

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    This is the study of declining female happiness (by notoriously annoying feminist Econ professor couple Wolfers and Stevenson)
    http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf
    I buried the link in a bunch of typically pretentious verbiage here
    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/vengeance-on-whom/
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  106. @NOTA
    Cosby didn't have to drug and rape anyone to get laid--drugging and raping women was just his hobby.

    Weinstein similarly could have gotten laid plenty by just being who he was (lots of women would sleep with him in hopes of the connections helping them get into acting or get a desired role), but he was too powerful for anyone to tell him no, so he apparently just groped (or raped) anyone he thought he could get away with.

    You got it.
    I can think of more than one occasion when a guy said the kind of ambiguous thing that would now be construed as sexual harassment. I thought they were flirting, so I flirted back.
    They lost interest.
    And before you speculate, I have modelled professionally–not the 5’9″ anorexic high fashion stuff, just girl-next-door, reasonably pretty commercial print stuff.
    Judging by comparable occasions where I WASN’T interested, had I shown polite indifference followed (eventually) by increasing revulsion, they would have persisted.
    Some of these guys are still in 4th grade. Sexual harassment is just another form of throwing spitballs at girls.

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  107. @Steve Sailer
    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

    No other hints, Steve?
    Using “goddess” makes me think 40′s/50′s actresses in the old studio system and though I’m not that old, the last goddess to me would be Sophia Loren.
    We all like gossip…

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    Steve has written before about his Geena Davis sighting.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/instead-of-h-1b-why-not-american-women/

    I saw Geena Davis in 2000 rushing through the drugstore without her makeup on. Let’s just say that the lovely Geena the you know from movies and television has devoted much of her waking existence to thinking hard (and effectively) about makeup.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geena_Davis#Personal_life

    On September 1, 2001, Davis married Reza Jarrahy (b. 1971), an Iranian-American plastic surgeon.
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Reza_Jarrahy_and_Geena_Davis_at_the_2009_Tribeca_Film_Festival.jpg/220px-Reza_Jarrahy_and_Geena_Davis_at_the_2009_Tribeca_Film_Festival.jpg
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  108. @eah

    Negroes do in fact create slums in precisely these ways; truth is an absolute defence to allegations of defamation, so I don’t see why the man resigned….

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    Negroes are now an American tribal icon; any criticism of them, unless it is immediately qualified by attributing their conditions to white privilege or racism, constitutes a form of blasphemy and will be punished. Truth is irrelevant.
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  109. Forbes says:
    @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    The so-called sexual revolution/women’s liberation sold women a bill of goods–”you can have it all”–that some/many have come to regret. Women already had the upper hand, i.e. the power of pussy and the purse strings (money was spent on them, whether dating or in marriage), yet were convinced they needed “equality.”

    The sexual revolution liberated constraints regarding female modesty/promiscuity, which literally flooded the market with a most prized and cherished attribute–exclusive access and affection. Such flooding devalued that which men willingly “paid-up” for in terms of early commitment to marriage and a continuing financial obligation to family.

    So, having it all meant motherhood and the world of work–gainful employment–so they could have equal say in spending what was already theirs–the family income.

    Is anyone really surprised that some/many women have (are having) second thoughts about the trade-offs they’ve made? That they’ve discovered 20-20 hindsight is revealing of some discrepancies in past behavior? That they wish to have a do-over?

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    Very well put.

    You sound an awful lot like the conservative women of 40 years ago that no one would listen to.
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  110. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

    Not really, unless the young guy likes roast beef.

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  111. Forbes says:
    @guest
    It doesn't rely work for women, though. Because almost none of them get what they actually want, which is commitment from the Big Man.

    As far as men go, many, many more of them are losers. But a lucky few get to be harem-masters or cads-about-town, with their pick of the litter. They get a better deal than most women.

    Yeah, life sucks. Who knew it wasn’t a bowl of cherries? Someone else is always getting a better deal, while I get the short end of the stick… ;-)

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  112. Corvinus says:
    @Whiskey
    Regret Rape is real, and women figure if they regret it, its rape. Simple as feelz. Which is really all women care about in the end.

    The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile. It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them; save a few Alpha men who boss them around and look like Tom Brady with the wealth and power of Bill Gates. If they can't have that, utter and total brutality along Mongol or Islamic lines will do just as well.

    The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible.

    IF and only IF most men were Alpha males, then men and women's goals would be mutually compatible. But they are not; and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms.

    Thus the redefinition -- White women are on a rampage and won't be satisfied until beta males just looking at some woman is a jailable offense, while Black rape of White women is excused from any consequence legal or moral or social, because "raycisssss."

    Just ask Emily Yoffe.

    There you go again with this socio-sexual hierarchy, which is simply hucksters trying to sell this notion that a “natural” order exists among men. It’s pseudo intellectualism at its finest.

    “The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile.”

    The aim of the general American male and female population is to find a mate. They have their personal criteria in mind. When that personal criteria jibes, they date, marry, and have children. But leave it to the Roosh’s and the Roissy’s of the world–single men–to argue that men are doing the world a favor by pumping and dumping already damaged women in hopes that patriarchy will once again dominate the Western Civilization landscape.

    “It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them…”

    Perhaps it is the women who YOU found interesting that acted in this manner. That does not mean, however, that their conduct is a feature of the female species.

    “The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible.”

    With “hot”, again, being something of a personal preference. Jessica Biel or Lonnie Anderson? Carrie Ireland or Rooney Mara? Different strokes for different folks.

    “IF and only IF most men were Alpha males…”

    I would surmise that there are more “alpha males” out there, but are labeled something different by those observing the Vox Dayian created social-sexual hierarchy. In other words, it’s subjective.

    “and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms.”

    Assuming that your standards of beauty are THE criteria by which women ought to be measured by.

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    Most of whiskeys hierarchies are based off findings from evolutionary psychology and studies of male female pairings....
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  113. Forbes says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault -- not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one. Bringing up alleged incidents from decades ago that you didn't find serious enough at the time to report to the police -- what good can come of this?

    A “reasonable” limit would be akin to the chances that the rules of power politics would be reinvented–and Slim and None already had their say.

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  114. Forbes says:
    @Neoconned
    Its funny how nowadays women can retract consent 40 yrs after the fact.....

    And feel the need to be called a victim and be patted on the back etc.....

    Captain Renault, pick up the white courtesy phone…Captain Renault…

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  115. Anon7 says:
    @SimpleSong
    I tend to think this whole thing comes down to women realizing that the sexual revolution has been really quite bad for them, but they're too proud to admit a square like Phyllis Schlafly was actually right about most things.

    When I look at my grandparents, my grandmothers had much better lives than my grandfathers. While its true that they got stuck with lots of house drudgery, the husbands were slowly killing themselves in coal mines/quickly killing themselves in wars.

    Now I look at my situation and there is just an expectation that my wife has to work. Takes a huge amount of pressure off me, and all I need to do is load the dishwasher and pick up my socks. I'm definitely on the right end of that trade.

    With regard to sex, while I think this 'rape culture' business is a bunch of nonsense, I don't doubt at all that there is a lot more sex happening that women regret. Which is pretty much all sex that doesn't lead to marriage and kids, regardless of what the sex positive feministas tell you. On the other hand men pretty much never regret sex as long as no STDs were transmitted. So the increase in promiscuity has been great for men and bad for women. Better for some men than others, of course.

    I mean isn't this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They're lashing out because they're beginning to realize they got conned. The world we live in, I just need to teach my sons not to do stupid stuff, and they'll be fine. But my daughters I'm not even sure what to tell them. The girls who do what society tells them to do are actually getting hammered the worst.

    Feminism was a con right from the start. There is a small group of women, the smartest upper 1% in intelligence and drive, who knew that they’d never have the chance to fully realize their potential unless ALL women were pushed out of the house and had equality forced upon them.

    This high level group are highly paid lawyers, physicians, vice-presidents of companies, etc. They got exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately, for every one of these there are fifty women who are forced to stand behind a register at Walmart or something similar, and then use their salary to pay for childcare and prepared meals (crappy imitation of their traditional role output), with a net financial gain of zero.

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  116. Forbes says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

    Surely you can accept that after 32 years, she finally clarified her mind and de-conflicted what happened.

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  117. Forbes says:
    @Charlotte Allen
    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It's a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women "deceive" men into thinking they're beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman's beauty--or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive--but it can't turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.

    It’s a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women “deceive” men into thinking they’re beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup.

    An equally strange delusion of women, and cosmetic companies, for the billions of dollars spent to look “marginally more attractive” for no apparent good reason–as make-up “can’t turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.”

    It’s a puzzle.

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  118. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

    No, the problem was that she was 16 years old. Most 16 year olds aren’t clear in their minds about anything. The age of consent for women should be at least 18, because although they can have sexual earlier, many women are still emotionally immature below 18.

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    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.
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  119. Forbes says:
    @eah

    Playing the game of “gotcha” for clickbait in the media is a perennial.

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  120. Forbes says:
    @NOTA
    I'm sure there are plenty of attractive young men who've found themselves weinsteined over the years. Probably very few found it arousing, but lots found it necessary to put up with in order to remain an actor instead of going back to waiting tables.

    Those are usually called “boy toys.” Sacrifices must be made.

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  121. Neuday says:
    @Anon
    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

    So you’ve never heard of Alpha Fux, Beta Bux?

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    Yes, I have heard of that. Specifically I've heard married men suggest it as an explanation for why their wife doesn't seem that excited about sleeping with them, that she must be pining for some hot youthful indiscretion. I believe this is a real misunderstanding of female sexuality.

    It's men who make a big deal about how hot their sex partner is. Men are the ones who are going on about how great sexbots will be. Women just want good technique - plain vibrators are fine, no face and no back story required.

    Women are less sentimental about sex than men are. You don't read about women having tea parties with their vibrator, but you do sometimes get these weird Lars and the Real Girl stories about men. Married men should not take it personally if their wife doesn't feel the same way the husband does about their sex life.
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  122. Forbes says:
    @PiltdownMan
    It may only be a matter of days before we move on from offenders in the movie and television business to the music business. Practically every Sixties musician (and most thereafter) is entirely vulnerable to this kind of accusation. There are legions of groupies out there. If they hop onto this bandwagon, no one will be allowed to listen to rock anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B0Y3LUqr1Q

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG56XMsTQkA

    Not even close. Music/rock groupies would brag about who they slept with–not make harassment accusations.

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  123. Neuday says:
    @Alvin
    Steve, this is all well and good, but I feel like there are two topics you don't post about. Mass shootings committed by whites, of which there have been many lately, and crimes by blacks when they involve your beloved UCLA bruins, of which there are also many. The theft by the UCLA basketball players in China was a big deal on many levels, akin to the acts of the USA Olympian swimmers in Brazil - including race, sports and political involvement by the president. All of your favorite topics, yet you completely ignored it.

    Alvin, you seem to have been raised in a Culture of Critique, no?

    This is Steve’s blog, and he seems a likable guy, so why ask him to delve into topics that are either well-covered elsewhere (e.g. liberal/crazy whites with guns) or demithug Baaketbaw players nogging off somewhere.

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  124. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Women want sex. We can discuss all we want about why they want it, but they do.

    One of the best experiences a young man can have is to be the rebound guy for a freshly-minted divorcé. She is free of the husband she was tired of, and she gets horny and calls you on the phone.

    A lot of fun can be had for a few months, but her long term goal is to find another husband, and a nice stepfather to the child she now has custody of. As the rebound guy, you get to satisfy her needs without becoming husband-daddy #2.

    Yes, that was my point. The rebound guy, as you note, is a young guy who satisfies her needs. Not an ugly old rich guy who gropes her while she’s asleep.

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  125. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @CCZ
    Some "male leverage" courtesy of computer imagery and some Russian trolling:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/the-mass-effect-neg/

    “A Russian pranklord created an app called MakeApp that uses digital magic to strip the makeup from photos of women. The before and after pictures have provoked a worldwide triggering in our slutwalkers.”

    Some good political stripped of "makeup" images appear at:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeApp?src=hash

    The app leaves too much artificial color on the lips, and takes too much off around the eyes. The actual iris color appears to be lightened by the app, which is incorrect. Women also vary quite a bit in the color of their eyebrows and lashes, and some are naturally quite dark there even without makeup. An app that strips off this color is not giving an accurate idea of what they look like without makeup. One little quirk about the app. Because it’s a lightener, it gives a lot of women a more Nordic appearance even if they’re not Nordic.

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  126. @Wilkey
    "Yeah I agree with you, but I’m kinda sick of these things coming out decades later"

    As far as Weinstein, Spacey, etc., go - yeah, it's stupid that women waited decades to report them, even after he harassed them on multiple occasions, but whatever.

    As for Roy Moore? Some of the things he did, if true, were flat out, unquestionably illegal. But why do these women - or the reporters and newspapers who print their stories - wait until barely a month before a crucial senate election to report them? The dude has been in the public eye for two decades or so. He's already had a primary and a runoff, but they wait until *after* his party has committed itself to his nomination to say anything - like they did with Donald Trump and the Access Hollywood Tapes (one month and one day before the election), or the George Bush DUI story (less than a week before the election).

    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn't pay close attention to the race, but I don't know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn't choose Mo Brooks over Moore. Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative. If I were a betting man I would bet it's the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have with Mormons. But I'd probably vote for Moore just to send a message to the people who try to fuck with elections by waiting until just before to report decades-old stories in an effort to throw them to Democrats. But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally. The fact that he even got this far, after the ship he's been doing for two decades, should be embarrassment enough.

    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn’t pay close attention to the race, but I don’t know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn’t choose Mo Brooks over Moore.

    Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative.

    Wrong. Brooks is a pro-immigration GOPer. “Solid enough” = conformist political hack.

    If I were a betting man I would bet it’s the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have …

    “Idiot evangelicals”? You’re really in tune with Alabama voters.

    Why vote for Judge Moore?

    From Wikipedia:

    Moore was elected to the position of Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2001, but was removed from his position in November 2003 by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments commissioned by him from the Alabama Judicial Building, despite orders to do so by a federal court. Moore twice sought the Republican nomination for the governorship of Alabama (in 2006 and 2010), but lost in the primaries. Moore was again elected Chief Justice in 2013, but was suspended in May 2016, for directing probate judges to continue to enforce the state’s ban on same-sex marriage despite the fact that this had been deemed unconstitutional.

    Me, I certainly would vote for Judge Moore if I were an Alabama voter.

    But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally.

    That’s another point in Moore’s favor.

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    Moore won the primary because some group called the “League of Christian Voters” took over local party offices after Moore got ousted from the bench the second time. They were formed solely to support Moore. Also about 25 percent of Alabama Republican electorate consists of evangelicals, many of whom, yes, are morons. Moore is a celebrity to Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, kinda like Duck Dynasty. He speaks at revivals often.

    Everyone who isn’t a cheesy evangelical despises him.
    , @James Kabala
    Brooks himself claims otherwise:

    https://brooks.house.gov/issues/immigration
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  127. Perplexed says:
    @guest
    "IF and only IF most men were alpha males, then men and women's goals would be mutually compatible"

    But most men can't be alpha males, by definition. Men could be as close to equal in attractiveness you can imagine, doesn't matter. Women would still compete with eachother for the better ones. They have infinitely fine instruments for detecting such differences.

    There's a fundamental imbalance between reproductive strategies. Various social systems have been set up to deal with it. Ours isn't very good. The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood.

    The harem system was relatively stable throughout history, with the less said about loser makes the better. I imagine this was the more popular form throughout human history. Earlier forms, maybe, were women as gang-rape victims/chattel. Not as stable.

    “The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood.”

    The “Victorian style” involved a lot of prostitution. Mrs. Beeton, author of the first English cookbook, died of syphilis brought home by her husband.

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    I was going to mention that as an aside. It's partly a byproduct of men waiting to establish themselves before getting married.

    There's an inherent flaw to that, beyond the male libido. Women want their men to be wanted by other women, and are turned on by experienced hands. It isn't optimal to have them marrying 30 year-old virgins.

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  128. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    If you image search for celebrities without makeup, you'll find a lot of shocking pictures.

    I guess makeup can't make an ugly woman beautiful, but if you combine makeup, lighting, retouching etc, you can go a long way towards minimizing the early effects of aging, sun exposure, and drug abuse.

    Northern European women get less sun than an actress living in southern California. Women with light complexions age faster the closer they live to to the equator, because their skin didn’t evolve to handle a lot of sun damage. Hollywood actresses are also more inclined to abuse drugs and alcohol than the average northern European woman.

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  129. Perplexed says:
    @Charlotte Allen
    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It's a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women "deceive" men into thinking they're beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman's beauty--or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive--but it can't turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.

    “The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished.” Makeup is about glamour.

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    'Tis true--but you can't project glamour unless you've got the basic good looks to begin with. Judiciously applied makeup and careful hair-styling will always make a a woman look more attractive, but it won't turn a plain Jane into a beauty.
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  130. Pericles says:
    @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

    “It just happened!”

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  131. Pericles says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The interesting thing about the Stallone case is that the woman went to the police but decided in the end not to press charges because she felt conflicted about what happened. I.e., she recognized the situation was largely her fault and seems to have been unclear in her mind whether she was really mistreated or just felt violated. This was c.1985. Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

    Did women in the past have more clarity about sexuality, or was this a more insightful woman than average?

    Academic feminism has worked hard on muddying the waters for a few decades now.

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  132. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

    Being a musician is hot. Musicians in no name bar bands also do great with the ladies.

    Being picked over all the other groupies is also very hot. Being groped because your body part was there, and hey why not, is not the same thing.

    As for whether women understand our own motivations, well I’m not a Hollywood actress, so I’m engaging in external pattern recognition here, same as you. E.g: straight actors supposedly do these favors for gay producers, too. So there’s no reason to believe that the actresses are getting anything out of it sexually at all, any more than the actors are . Same economic logic as the guys, same behavior.

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    If by "hot" you mean high status, then of course I agree. Your post is actually a good illustration of my point that women have difficulty understanding their own sexual motivations. You use the word "hot" without any apparent understanding of what it means.

    The fact is that status increases a man's hotness, so to speak, to women within whatever culture or subculture deems that man to be high status.

    Now of course it's true that many women don't like being groped by a high status man, but the same thing is true of a good looking man.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that women really do have a visceral reaction to wealth and status similar to their visceral reaction to looks.
    , @Sabril
    PS the difference between men and women is that male attraction is much more focused on looks compared to money and social status.

    You know how girls see a male performer in a no-name band as "hot"? Men see hot girls as hot.

    And the same principle applies in the movie industry. To women in the acting community, a successful and powerful studio exec has a big increase in hotness
    , @Anonymous
    Most really famous rock and rollers (not that I know a huge number of them, but a few I've talked with here and there) will tell you that for sheer access to sex they were better off in their local days.
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  133. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about women on this board. Normal women are are biologically programmed to think they’re going to get an emotional commitment from the man they have sex with him. If he just walks off after sex and has no more interest in seeing her again, women get confused and angry. Woman think a man who is attracted to her on day one should, logically speaking, also be attracted to her on day two, and so forth. When a man acts completely obsessed with a woman on one day and then totally turned off by her the next day after having had sex with her, that makes a woman think men are fickle, two-faced, and untrustworthy. That’s unnatural behavior, to a woman’s way of thinking.

    A lot of trouble could be avoided if men understood this.

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    Well, now they can punish him with regret rape!
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because Cosmo tells them they can have affairs just like the guys and not get hurt.
    We see how well that's worked out for girls who grew up reading Cosmo.
    , @Forbes
    In case you hadn't noticed, sexual relations/attraction between men and women is a two-way street.

    Admittedly, we're all fortunate to have you around to explain the trouble that men could avoid if they only understood a few things about women's thinking and behavior.

    Perhaps for our next lesson you could describe those things that women might understand about men--that would foreclose some trouble.

    In my (admittedly) male experience, most (not all) young men spend an inordinate amount of time (granted, often ineffectual) trying to understand women--whereas most women simply give up, saying they just don't understand men.

    My analogy--flawed as it may be--is that women are akin to an airline cockpit, with a multitude of dials, levers, switches, knobs, and gauges, where a touch or even an inadvertent move could launch you airborne or into a steep dive. And there's certainly no autopilot. Men have an on-on-off switch which, occasionally, is hard to locate in the dark.

    But thanks.
    , @SteveRogers42
    If a guy doesn't come back for Round Two, that's a pretty good indicator that the girl is not the Ultimate Porno Princess that she believes she is. Ladies -- If you want a rematch, step up your Mattress Game.
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  134. @Steve Sailer
    How bad is it if a woman has a facial structure that responds well to makeup but doesn't look that exceptional without?

    I can remember around 2000 running into a genuine goddess of the silver screen at the drugstore while she was rushing about, apparently in too much of a hurry to put her makeup on. She was surprisingly plain facially. But I'm not sure that's all that big of a detriment in an age when women are going to wear makeup much of the time.

    I see now that she married a plastic surgeon, kind of the way other actresses marry their the cinematographers who make them look best.

    Meryl Streep married a plastic surgeon (Bruce Willis) in Death Becomes Her. It’s not a great movie, but it does have its moments.

    Meryl Streep gets a magical makeover:

    This is the most impressive makeup job in that flick:

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  135. @Wilkey
    "Yeah I agree with you, but I’m kinda sick of these things coming out decades later"

    As far as Weinstein, Spacey, etc., go - yeah, it's stupid that women waited decades to report them, even after he harassed them on multiple occasions, but whatever.

    As for Roy Moore? Some of the things he did, if true, were flat out, unquestionably illegal. But why do these women - or the reporters and newspapers who print their stories - wait until barely a month before a crucial senate election to report them? The dude has been in the public eye for two decades or so. He's already had a primary and a runoff, but they wait until *after* his party has committed itself to his nomination to say anything - like they did with Donald Trump and the Access Hollywood Tapes (one month and one day before the election), or the George Bush DUI story (less than a week before the election).

    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn't pay close attention to the race, but I don't know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn't choose Mo Brooks over Moore. Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative. If I were a betting man I would bet it's the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have with Mormons. But I'd probably vote for Moore just to send a message to the people who try to fuck with elections by waiting until just before to report decades-old stories in an effort to throw them to Democrats. But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally. The fact that he even got this far, after the ship he's been doing for two decades, should be embarrassment enough.

    @ Unz

    Can we get a C U C K button like the agree, disagree, LOL and Troll buttons?

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  136. All I know is that when I die,
    I’m gonna go up to that phallus in the sky…

    http://www.wtsp.com/news/graphic-obscene-skydrawings-spotted-in-okanogan-co/492521457

    But seriously, I mean, are we that dirty-minded? Looks like a cowboy hat to me!

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  137. Read More
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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/ar-BBF5SxM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

    Here we have a leading potential 2020 contender
     
    No she's not.
    , @Forbes
    She certainly "filling" the Hillary Clinton seat.
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  138. Abe says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    http://xanianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/1510825754_597_treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-wife-cause-internet-sensation-posing-with-sheets-of-money.jpg

    Homo sapiens mating dance:

    “Though less so in inland as compared to coastal habitats, Homo sapien economus has long demonstrated a remarkable ability to attract, mate with, and form life-long pairings with Homo sapien deBeersensis.”

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  139. @Anon
    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about women on this board. Normal women are are biologically programmed to think they're going to get an emotional commitment from the man they have sex with him. If he just walks off after sex and has no more interest in seeing her again, women get confused and angry. Woman think a man who is attracted to her on day one should, logically speaking, also be attracted to her on day two, and so forth. When a man acts completely obsessed with a woman on one day and then totally turned off by her the next day after having had sex with her, that makes a woman think men are fickle, two-faced, and untrustworthy. That's unnatural behavior, to a woman's way of thinking.

    A lot of trouble could be avoided if men understood this.

    Well, now they can punish him with regret rape!

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  140. whorefinder says: • Website

    At this point, I really don’t care about stopping the mob hysteria unless it attacks my side.

    Yeah, the Franken stuff isn’t a big deal, it’s clear a Republican operative got to her and got her to speak because the R’s wanted to counter the “Roy Moore is a rapist, all R’s abuse women” thing that is threatening Moore’s chances.

    But I don’t care. Being fair hasn’t been the Left’s M.O. at all in my lifetime, especially post-Cold War. Let Franken get lynched by the mob he helped create, I won’t lift a finger to defend him.

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  141. anonguy says:
    @PiltdownMan
    It may only be a matter of days before we move on from offenders in the movie and television business to the music business. Practically every Sixties musician (and most thereafter) is entirely vulnerable to this kind of accusation. There are legions of groupies out there. If they hop onto this bandwagon, no one will be allowed to listen to rock anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B0Y3LUqr1Q

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG56XMsTQkA

    It may only be a matter of days before we move on from offenders in the movie and television business to the music business. Practically every Sixties musician (and most thereafter) is entirely vulnerable to this kind of accusation. There are legions of groupies out there. If they hop onto this bandwagon, no one will be allowed to listen to rock anymore.

    It is starting to have a Year Zero feel, isn’t it? Again, for a spiritual rebirth to happen, something the Millenials are seeking in an atheistic society, even New Age is dead, the past has to be discarded or understood to be evil, vile, etc.

    More or less, millenials are finally overthrowing the degenerate (early) Boomer culture that has poisoned our society for the past half century.

    More power to them, I say. This is part of what we wanted, a return to decorum and modesty.

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  142. @Anon
    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about women on this board. Normal women are are biologically programmed to think they're going to get an emotional commitment from the man they have sex with him. If he just walks off after sex and has no more interest in seeing her again, women get confused and angry. Woman think a man who is attracted to her on day one should, logically speaking, also be attracted to her on day two, and so forth. When a man acts completely obsessed with a woman on one day and then totally turned off by her the next day after having had sex with her, that makes a woman think men are fickle, two-faced, and untrustworthy. That's unnatural behavior, to a woman's way of thinking.

    A lot of trouble could be avoided if men understood this.

    That’s because Cosmo tells them they can have affairs just like the guys and not get hurt.
    We see how well that’s worked out for girls who grew up reading Cosmo.

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  143. If you want to see the young Debby Harry right now in the flesh, but with a Ukranian twist, proceed to Gaspare’s Pizza House in SF. But not Wednesdays.

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  144. @Anon
    Women don't find money and power hot in the same visceral way that men find youth hot. A woman will happily marry an ugly rich guy, sure. But if she cheats on him, is it with the rich, old, family lawyer? No, it's with the young, fit tennis instructor. Riches do attract women, but not by making them horny.

    And yes, I know, here I am, on cue an American Woman, Speaking. But think about it.

    It’s nice be a normal, middle-class, moral, well-adjusted American woman. With a husband and children. All this hotness/cheating/groping/horniness talk can sound like modern poetry or art: Utterly meaningless and empty.

    Marriage, intimacy, and procreation are where it’s at.

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    Agreed. The vast bulk of women want a home and a family.

    Of course there are outliers. There is a tiny percentage of women who want to be nuns, and are very happy having no home and no family and just helping others. The question here is: is there also a tiny percentage of women who are happy when Al Franken shoves his tongue in their mouth. I argue no, there is no such woman.
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  145. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    Being a musician is hot. Musicians in no name bar bands also do great with the ladies.

    Being picked over all the other groupies is also very hot. Being groped because your body part was there, and hey why not, is not the same thing.

    As for whether women understand our own motivations, well I'm not a Hollywood actress, so I'm engaging in external pattern recognition here, same as you. E.g: straight actors supposedly do these favors for gay producers, too. So there's no reason to believe that the actresses are getting anything out of it sexually at all, any more than the actors are . Same economic logic as the guys, same behavior.

    If by “hot” you mean high status, then of course I agree. Your post is actually a good illustration of my point that women have difficulty understanding their own sexual motivations. You use the word “hot” without any apparent understanding of what it means.

    The fact is that status increases a man’s hotness, so to speak, to women within whatever culture or subculture deems that man to be high status.

    Now of course it’s true that many women don’t like being groped by a high status man, but the same thing is true of a good looking man.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that women really do have a visceral reaction to wealth and status similar to their visceral reaction to looks.

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    My definition of "hot": say an actress is performing in a USO tour, and her scene partner writes a kiss into her scene and wants to "rehearse" it privately. If the scene partner is "hot" she will be too busy giggling and looking forward to it to ask herself what his motivation is. If he is "not hot", she will find the prospect disgusting, and will consider it sexual harassment if she suspects his motivation is personal rather than professional.

    Al Franken may have been rich and famous, but that does not make him hot.

    I know what you're saying, this is a thing I've seen a lot on the internet lately, "youth and beauty:man::wealth and status:woman", as if you can predict the female libido by thinking how a man would behave in the analogous situation. But the big problem with this theory is, why then does the bored housewife go for the pool boy?

    I suspect the analogy is more like "kindness:man::status:woman". Kindness doesn't make a woman hot, but when a man is looking for the mother of his children, it's high up on the list. Similarly, a woman doesn't want to kiss a man just because he's rich, but when she's looking for a husband it's a really big deal.
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  146. @David Davenport
    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn’t pay close attention to the race, but I don’t know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn’t choose Mo Brooks over Moore.


    Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative.

    Wrong. Brooks is a pro-immigration GOPer. "Solid enough" = conformist political hack.


    If I were a betting man I would bet it’s the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have ...

    "Idiot evangelicals"? You're really in tune with Alabama voters.


    Why vote for Judge Moore?

    From Wikipedia:

    Moore was elected to the position of Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2001, but was removed from his position in November 2003 by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments commissioned by him from the Alabama Judicial Building, despite orders to do so by a federal court. Moore twice sought the Republican nomination for the governorship of Alabama (in 2006 and 2010), but lost in the primaries. Moore was again elected Chief Justice in 2013, but was suspended in May 2016, for directing probate judges to continue to enforce the state's ban on same-sex marriage despite the fact that this had been deemed unconstitutional.

    Me, I certainly would vote for Judge Moore if I were an Alabama voter.

    But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally.

    That's another point in Moore's favor.

    Moore won the primary because some group called the “League of Christian Voters” took over local party offices after Moore got ousted from the bench the second time. They were formed solely to support Moore. Also about 25 percent of Alabama Republican electorate consists of evangelicals, many of whom, yes, are morons. Moore is a celebrity to Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, kinda like Duck Dynasty. He speaks at revivals often.

    Everyone who isn’t a cheesy evangelical despises him.

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    S... Anon says:

    Also about 25 percent of Alabama Republican electorate consists of evangelicals, many of whom, yes, are morons. Moore is a celebrity to Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, kinda like Duck Dynasty. He speaks at revivals often.

    Everyone who isn’t a cheesy evangelical despises him.

    You sure do know how to win friends and influence people, S...

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  147. @Anonymous
    Similar female contrariness over the hardcore pornography issue - perhaps the real defining characteristic of the internet age.

    Feminists types want to completely eradicate porn. An impossible Sisyphean task given the capabilities of modern electronics, but they still plan to do it - house searches, enforcement police, heavy penalties, mass censorship and all.

    The other side of coin is that women, attractive young women in their thousands upon thousands are the ones choosing to keep the porn industry going by their mercenary acceptance of cash for the 'sexual bargain'.

    An obvious and intractable dilemma which vividly displays the pure nonsense of all this 'equality' garbage.

    Feminist types want to completely eradicate porn? Not that I’ve ever heard. The only anti-porn people I’ve ever encountered were the old American Family Association. I see from a quick search that the SPLC considers them a hate group.

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    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town. To these feminists banging strangers on camera or prostituting yourself through college is “owning your sexuality” and empowering”.
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  148. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    Being a musician is hot. Musicians in no name bar bands also do great with the ladies.

    Being picked over all the other groupies is also very hot. Being groped because your body part was there, and hey why not, is not the same thing.

    As for whether women understand our own motivations, well I'm not a Hollywood actress, so I'm engaging in external pattern recognition here, same as you. E.g: straight actors supposedly do these favors for gay producers, too. So there's no reason to believe that the actresses are getting anything out of it sexually at all, any more than the actors are . Same economic logic as the guys, same behavior.

    PS the difference between men and women is that male attraction is much more focused on looks compared to money and social status.

    You know how girls see a male performer in a no-name band as “hot”? Men see hot girls as hot.

    And the same principle applies in the movie industry. To women in the acting community, a successful and powerful studio exec has a big increase in hotness

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  149. @Forbes
    The so-called sexual revolution/women's liberation sold women a bill of goods--"you can have it all"--that some/many have come to regret. Women already had the upper hand, i.e. the power of pussy and the purse strings (money was spent on them, whether dating or in marriage), yet were convinced they needed "equality."

    The sexual revolution liberated constraints regarding female modesty/promiscuity, which literally flooded the market with a most prized and cherished attribute--exclusive access and affection. Such flooding devalued that which men willingly "paid-up" for in terms of early commitment to marriage and a continuing financial obligation to family.

    So, having it all meant motherhood and the world of work--gainful employment--so they could have equal say in spending what was already theirs--the family income.

    Is anyone really surprised that some/many women have (are having) second thoughts about the trade-offs they've made? That they've discovered 20-20 hindsight is revealing of some discrepancies in past behavior? That they wish to have a do-over?

    Very well put.

    You sound an awful lot like the conservative women of 40 years ago that no one would listen to.

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  150. @Autochthon
    Negroes do in fact create slums in precisely these ways; truth is an absolute defence to allegations of defamation, so I don't see why the man resigned....

    Negroes are now an American tribal icon; any criticism of them, unless it is immediately qualified by attributing their conditions to white privilege or racism, constitutes a form of blasphemy and will be punished. Truth is irrelevant.

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  151. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I regret sex, but I imagine it’s not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.
     
    So was it the sex? Or was it the sex with the wrong person?

    It’s not the sex itself you ever regret, but rather some aspect of the circumstances. Like what you spent hanging out with her before the sex. Or like after the sex, you might just want her to get lost, but she sticks around and you have to talk to her and make inane conversation, or you have to drive her a ways home. Women are terrible conversationalists and they never have anything interesting to say. They just don’t have enough interest in things and non-fiction material. Reading an encyclopedia is a lot more interesting than talking to women, because there’s lots of interesting material in it and you always learn something new. That’s never the case when talking to women.

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    How true!

    From a guy's point of view, the perfect one-night stand would be with a woman who turns into a pizza at 2:00 in the morning.

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  152. @Olorin
    Those are 30 Georges, not Benjamins.

    More like she's laughing at the gentleman's underendowment.

    I count 50.

    What kind of cheap floozy do you think she is?

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  153. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Charlotte Allen
    Re MakeApp: I looked at some of the before-and-afters. The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished. It's a strange delusion of the pickup community that homely women "deceive" men into thinking they're beautiful by putting on a lot of makeup. Makeup can enhance a beautiful woman's beauty--or make an average-looking women look marginally more attractive--but it can't turn that average-looking woman into a beauty.

    Right, for most women it’s just lipstick on a pig.

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  154. Corn says:
    @stillCARealist
    Feminist types want to completely eradicate porn? Not that I've ever heard. The only anti-porn people I've ever encountered were the old American Family Association. I see from a quick search that the SPLC considers them a hate group.

    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town. To these feminists banging strangers on camera or prostituting yourself through college is “owning your sexuality” and empowering”.

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    I wonder if anyone has actually written on this. I think the crucial factor is certainly the internet going mainstream. During the 80's there was clearly an alliance of convenience between feminists and "conservatives" on the porn issue. Most of the hard-core feminists (Andrea Dworkin, etc) then were clearly anti-porn. I've read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself. Many of them don't like certain sorts of porn, but I suspect many of them are themselves porn addicts. Actually many of them are, by their own accounts, and claim to like it.
    , @dfordoom

    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town
     
    Agreed. One thing that many people have failed to notice is that the old school feminists have been stomped, and stomped hard, over the past 20 years. Their brand of feminism is not acceptable to our globalist elites.

    The old school feminists have been marginalised and in practice largely purged from the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Mostly it's because old school feminists are not popular with the LGBTwhatever lobby. In particular they're hated by the trans crowd. The LGBT brigade are currently at the top of the Coalition of the Fringes totem pole and anyone who annoys them gets stomped.

    The old school feminists were crazy and evil in their own way. The scary thing is that they now sound almost sane.
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  155. Ivy says:
    @CCZ
    Some "male leverage" courtesy of computer imagery and some Russian trolling:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/the-mass-effect-neg/

    “A Russian pranklord created an app called MakeApp that uses digital magic to strip the makeup from photos of women. The before and after pictures have provoked a worldwide triggering in our slutwalkers.”

    Some good political stripped of "makeup" images appear at:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeApp?src=hash

    A low-tech app available to generations of college students was to work as a hasher at a sorority. You served coffee and tea after dinner and cleared the tables, for example in exchange for a free meal. Sunday breakfasts were illuminating, too, as those were self-serve with bleary-eyed, hungover gals stumbling downstairs to pour a bowl of cereal. The before and after images were revealing, as were the interactions with those without their war paint on.

    The young ladies, and they typically were, seemed more refined years ago, with more widespread exposure to and practice of etiquette and decorum. Many would be described as lovely, when that was a genuine compliment.

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  156. @Perplexed
    "The good-looking women still look good without makeup, just less polished." Makeup is about glamour.

    ‘Tis true–but you can’t project glamour unless you’ve got the basic good looks to begin with. Judiciously applied makeup and careful hair-styling will always make a a woman look more attractive, but it won’t turn a plain Jane into a beauty.

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  157. guest says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I regret sex, but I imagine it’s not the same. More in the level of regretting blowing too much money at the track, or eating too much and getting heartburn.
     
    So was it the sex? Or was it the sex with the wrong person?

    The person, usually, though it runs over into how you feel about the physical sex. Once it was about the sex act itself.

    I must admit, these feelings are vastly outweighed by regret in the opposite direction, i.e. of failing to go for it.

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  158. guest says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    No. Their breasts aren't undersized, just lacking in substance in proportion to their general waifishness.

    What is the difference between that and undersized, I wonder.

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  159. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    If by "hot" you mean high status, then of course I agree. Your post is actually a good illustration of my point that women have difficulty understanding their own sexual motivations. You use the word "hot" without any apparent understanding of what it means.

    The fact is that status increases a man's hotness, so to speak, to women within whatever culture or subculture deems that man to be high status.

    Now of course it's true that many women don't like being groped by a high status man, but the same thing is true of a good looking man.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that women really do have a visceral reaction to wealth and status similar to their visceral reaction to looks.

    My definition of “hot”: say an actress is performing in a USO tour, and her scene partner writes a kiss into her scene and wants to “rehearse” it privately. If the scene partner is “hot” she will be too busy giggling and looking forward to it to ask herself what his motivation is. If he is “not hot”, she will find the prospect disgusting, and will consider it sexual harassment if she suspects his motivation is personal rather than professional.

    Al Franken may have been rich and famous, but that does not make him hot.

    I know what you’re saying, this is a thing I’ve seen a lot on the internet lately, “youth and beauty:man::wealth and status:woman”, as if you can predict the female libido by thinking how a man would behave in the analogous situation. But the big problem with this theory is, why then does the bored housewife go for the pool boy?

    I suspect the analogy is more like “kindness:man::status:woman”. Kindness doesn’t make a woman hot, but when a man is looking for the mother of his children, it’s high up on the list. Similarly, a woman doesn’t want to kiss a man just because he’s rich, but when she’s looking for a husband it’s a really big deal.

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    For people who live by facts and logic, what you have laid out is what is known as a circular definition.

    I.e. women are viscerally attracted to rock stars because they are "hot"; and "hot" means that women are viscerally attracted.

    In other words, what you have said is totally meaningless.

    But as I mentioned, you are doing a great job illustrating my point: women tend to have poor insight into their own sexuality.

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man "hot"
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  160. L Woods says:
    @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    IQ != judgement.

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  161. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Neuday
    So you've never heard of Alpha Fux, Beta Bux?

    Yes, I have heard of that. Specifically I’ve heard married men suggest it as an explanation for why their wife doesn’t seem that excited about sleeping with them, that she must be pining for some hot youthful indiscretion. I believe this is a real misunderstanding of female sexuality.

    It’s men who make a big deal about how hot their sex partner is. Men are the ones who are going on about how great sexbots will be. Women just want good technique – plain vibrators are fine, no face and no back story required.

    Women are less sentimental about sex than men are. You don’t read about women having tea parties with their vibrator, but you do sometimes get these weird Lars and the Real Girl stories about men. Married men should not take it personally if their wife doesn’t feel the same way the husband does about their sex life.

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  162. I was on a high school quiz show – a high school quiz show – and a girl in the next town who’d seen the show cold-called me and offered herself up. Having your face appear on a screen screws with the logic circuits in the female brain.

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    One of the lesser Philip Roth novels, The Dying Animal, is about a middle aged college professor whose one connection to celebrity is that he has a 5 minute per week gig on the local PBS station discussing upcoming cultural events in town that week. But because he's on TV, even 5 minutes per week on local PBS, coeds throw themselves at him.
    , @James Kabala
    This happens quite a bit in reverse also. Female game show contestants have talked about how they usually receive sexual messages for a few days after their appearance - not just on Twitter or Facebook, but sometimes even on their e-mail (presumably their work e-mail, which is more likely to be Google-able) if the creeper managed to dig it up. Social media has given many people of both sexes the belief that they have the right to proposition a complete stranger.
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  163. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @stillCARealist
    It's nice be a normal, middle-class, moral, well-adjusted American woman. With a husband and children. All this hotness/cheating/groping/horniness talk can sound like modern poetry or art: Utterly meaningless and empty.

    Marriage, intimacy, and procreation are where it's at.

    Agreed. The vast bulk of women want a home and a family.

    Of course there are outliers. There is a tiny percentage of women who want to be nuns, and are very happy having no home and no family and just helping others. The question here is: is there also a tiny percentage of women who are happy when Al Franken shoves his tongue in their mouth. I argue no, there is no such woman.

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    Not even his wife?
    , @SteveRogers42
    Judging from his toad-like physiognomy, Al Franken is clearly one of H.P. Lovecraft's human-amphibian hybrids from Innsmouth. As such, his tongue is better adapted for snagging low-flying insects.

    When it is time to spawn, he and his female counterparts simply fertilize eggs laid in the shallows of the harbor.
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  164. EriK says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Almost makes me proud again to be a native New Yorker, appleknocker variety:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/ar-BBF5SxM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
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  165. Clyde says:

    Apple’s diversity chief steps down only six months into the job after she was slammed for saying that a room full of ’12 white, blue-eyed, blonde men’ can be diverse http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5093985/Apple-s-diversity-chief-steps-six-months-

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    This is curious story, since she subsequently recanted, and apparently her replacement will be demoted, and will not report to Tim Cook but to the HR director. I don't know what to think on that one.
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  166. @guest
    You're exactly right. The above quote could apply to the hoardes of women coming out against Bill Clinton. (Though not the ones he raped, if he in fact raped them.) Because I have it on good authority women find him attractive. Teenagers might find Roy Moore attractive, too. I wouldn't know. Trump, obviously, was attractive to all those crowds of women who basically begged him to grab their pussies.

    What's going on with Weinstein, Franken, and it others is different. Women will no doubt fame-bang (is that a term?) them, or sleep with them to help their careers, or whatever. But they aren't excited when they put one over on them. Women don't want to be sexually used by men they consider beneath them.

    That's humiliating. In revenge, they humiliate their humiliators.

    List of rich and famous guys NOT being accused of creepiness with intent to creep:

    Warren Beatty
    Jack Nicholson
    Brad Pitt
    Tom Brady
    Denzel Washington
    George Clooney
    Robert Redford

    Looks + Game = Immunity

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  167. @guest
    Most supermodels have undersized breasts.

    If they're big for their bodies, they're likely fake. Which makes it their fault.

    Tyra Banks — the exception that proves the rule.

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    I think she did a whole episode of her talk show on them being real, but much of the world remains unconvinced.
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  168. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    According to our dear friend and commenter Truth, our resident specialist in transexuals, both Debbie Harris and Taylor Swift are dudes. Go figure!
    https://youtu.be/nf0oXY4nDxE

    Debbie Harry is most certainly not and has never been a dude. Sorry.

    There is the photographic evidence, which in her case goes back to her high school pictures, and before, all of which were widely reproduced in print before the days of Photoshop. There was also a book for photographers on nude figure photography (Fine Figure Photography, Richard Santuci, 1971, still fairly widely available) in which she modeled.

    And anyone who had a front row seat at the Escape From New York tour, as I did twice, can tell you from personal observation.

    As well, I know guys who have, shall we say, had more intimate experiences, and one of them for sure knows the manmade one from the natural.

    We are dealing with a Real Girl here.

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  169. Forbes says:
    @CK
    Sometimes the most simple and most cynical answer is the best one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brKwex4UXaw

    Stephen Stills written (and performed) song.

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    If I link to Stephen's version, it is just another white guy mansplaining in song. There is no irony.
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  170. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I was on a high school quiz show - a high school quiz show - and a girl in the next town who'd seen the show cold-called me and offered herself up. Having your face appear on a screen screws with the logic circuits in the female brain.

    One of the lesser Philip Roth novels, The Dying Animal, is about a middle aged college professor whose one connection to celebrity is that he has a 5 minute per week gig on the local PBS station discussing upcoming cultural events in town that week. But because he’s on TV, even 5 minutes per week on local PBS, coeds throw themselves at him.

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  171. Bel Riose says:
    @Anonymous
    It's not the sex itself you ever regret, but rather some aspect of the circumstances. Like what you spent hanging out with her before the sex. Or like after the sex, you might just want her to get lost, but she sticks around and you have to talk to her and make inane conversation, or you have to drive her a ways home. Women are terrible conversationalists and they never have anything interesting to say. They just don't have enough interest in things and non-fiction material. Reading an encyclopedia is a lot more interesting than talking to women, because there's lots of interesting material in it and you always learn something new. That's never the case when talking to women.

    How true!

    From a guy’s point of view, the perfect one-night stand would be with a woman who turns into a pizza at 2:00 in the morning.

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    Maybe you know of the wisdom of country singers.

    They went to bed with a 10 at 2:00 and got up with a 2 at 10:00.
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  172. Forbes says:
    @Anon
    No, the problem was that she was 16 years old. Most 16 year olds aren't clear in their minds about anything. The age of consent for women should be at least 18, because although they can have sexual earlier, many women are still emotionally immature below 18.

    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.

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    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.
     
    They're about as mature as they're ever going to get, although some get a boost in maturity after giving birth

    18 no kids = 28 no kids

    38 no kids maybe actually declines in maturity

    , @guest
    Hard to say women are emotionally mature ever. Their reproductive strategy requires them not to be.
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  173. Forbes says:
    @Anon
    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about women on this board. Normal women are are biologically programmed to think they're going to get an emotional commitment from the man they have sex with him. If he just walks off after sex and has no more interest in seeing her again, women get confused and angry. Woman think a man who is attracted to her on day one should, logically speaking, also be attracted to her on day two, and so forth. When a man acts completely obsessed with a woman on one day and then totally turned off by her the next day after having had sex with her, that makes a woman think men are fickle, two-faced, and untrustworthy. That's unnatural behavior, to a woman's way of thinking.

    A lot of trouble could be avoided if men understood this.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, sexual relations/attraction between men and women is a two-way street.

    Admittedly, we’re all fortunate to have you around to explain the trouble that men could avoid if they only understood a few things about women’s thinking and behavior.

    Perhaps for our next lesson you could describe those things that women might understand about men–that would foreclose some trouble.

    In my (admittedly) male experience, most (not all) young men spend an inordinate amount of time (granted, often ineffectual) trying to understand women–whereas most women simply give up, saying they just don’t understand men.

    My analogy–flawed as it may be–is that women are akin to an airline cockpit, with a multitude of dials, levers, switches, knobs, and gauges, where a touch or even an inadvertent move could launch you airborne or into a steep dive. And there’s certainly no autopilot. Men have an on-on-off switch which, occasionally, is hard to locate in the dark.

    But thanks.

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  174. Forbes says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Almost makes me proud again to be a native New Yorker, appleknocker variety:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/ar-BBF5SxM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

    She certainly “filling” the Hillary Clinton seat.

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  175. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault -- not just from a legal perspective, but from a media one. Bringing up alleged incidents from decades ago that you didn't find serious enough at the time to report to the police -- what good can come of this?

    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault

    The most powerful argument in favour of a reasonable statute of limitations is that after several decades it is simply no longer possible for the accused to have a fair trial. Witnesses have died. Evidence has been destroyed or lost. Memories are no longer reliable. It’s especially a problem with “crimes” like sexual harsassment that are purely subjective and hopelessly vague anyway.

    Of course that’s why feminists don’t want a statute of limitations for these “crimes” – they don’t want the men accused to get a fair trial.

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    I always felt that way about the Juanita Broaddrick accusation. Is it believable? Yes. Do I actually believe it? I don't know how I can judge a claim first made twenty years after the event - and that itself is almost twenty years ago by now, which means almost forty total. And I think I now feel the same way about Roy Moore (although he and his surrogates have been dumb enough to make disprovable claims, such as that the restaurant did not even exist at the time).
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  176. @Bel Riose
    How true!

    From a guy's point of view, the perfect one-night stand would be with a woman who turns into a pizza at 2:00 in the morning.

    Maybe you know of the wisdom of country singers.

    They went to bed with a 10 at 2:00 and got up with a 2 at 10:00.

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  177. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Olorin
    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    I'd also disqualify non-landowners.

    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting. The higher the IQ the more crazy things people believe. Socialism, feminism, LGBT “rights,” open borders – these are foolish ideas that only high IQ people actually believe in.

    Confining the vote to high IQ is an excellent recipe for a totalitarian dystopian nightmare world.

    The vote should be confined to people in the 90-110 IQ range. Enough brains to comprehend reality but not enough brains to believe in utopian nonsense.

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    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting.
     
    You left out the landowner part, which is the check.

    Effete high IQ autists such as you are describing will never bother with landowning. Too much like hard work, out in the elements. Not fit for managing other humans to get the landwork done.

    An IQ of 120-125+ is required to be an effective manager of both ecosystems/agronomic systems/wildlife/forestry and the people, tools, machines, and data streams it takes to get that work done. While developing a sufficient theory of mind to understand and interact effectively with the other life forms on that land.

    I have other uses for effete high IQ autists in my Grasp This Sorry Scheme of Things Entire project, but voting isn't one of them. :D
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  178. Marty says:

    Around 2000 I was in Dave’s Smoke Shop near the Berkeley campus, when two reasonably cute undergrad girls came in and began perusing the extensive offerings of stroke mags. Dave’s was owned by a somewhat dour muslim from Egypt named Mustafa, who was at the register. They were examining an up-close spread in Barely Legal when I came up behind them and said, “that really objectifies women, don’t you think?” To which one replied, “it’s OK if it’s erotic.” After they left, Mustafa asked me, “were they whores? “

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  179. JimB says:

    It’s worth looking up Jan Gross on Wikipedia. Apparently he has made an academic career out of fabricating blood libels against the Polish people. Why he is tenured at Princeton is baffling, given the agenda-driven, shoddily written claptrap he tries to pass off as scholarship.

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  180. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    Agreed. The vast bulk of women want a home and a family.

    Of course there are outliers. There is a tiny percentage of women who want to be nuns, and are very happy having no home and no family and just helping others. The question here is: is there also a tiny percentage of women who are happy when Al Franken shoves his tongue in their mouth. I argue no, there is no such woman.

    Not even his wife?

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    I doubt he shoved his tongue in his wife's mouth after she'd expressed a lack of enthusiasm about kissing him at all. He probably engaged in normal human mating rituals, she was flattered that a good catch was interested in her, and things went from there.

    I'm not saying you need to be hot to get a woman interested in you. I'm saying women will let a hot guy with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye break all the rules. But Al Franken is not hot in that way, and it sounds like there wasn't a twinkle in his eye. So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.
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  181. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corn
    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town. To these feminists banging strangers on camera or prostituting yourself through college is “owning your sexuality” and empowering”.

    I wonder if anyone has actually written on this. I think the crucial factor is certainly the internet going mainstream. During the 80′s there was clearly an alliance of convenience between feminists and “conservatives” on the porn issue. Most of the hard-core feminists (Andrea Dworkin, etc) then were clearly anti-porn. I’ve read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself. Many of them don’t like certain sorts of porn, but I suspect many of them are themselves porn addicts. Actually many of them are, by their own accounts, and claim to like it.

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    I’ve read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself.
     
    It's also worth remembering that most feminists do not and never could support themselves financially. They rely on the government, or funding directly or indirectly from the usual leftist billionaire suspects. In other words. They're financially entirely dependent on the globalist elite. If they express an unpopular opinion then they are likely to lose their place at the feeding trough.

    If the globalist elite is in favour of porn then the feminists will go along with that. They love their nice safe cushy do-nothing jobs in academia and the media.

    The main motivating factor for the majority of political "activists" is money.
    , @Whoever

    I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself.
     
    Carolyn Bronstein's Battling Pornography: The American Feminist Anti-Pornography Movement, 1976–1986 examines the arguments.

    From the review:

    "Activists' concern about a media environment that condoned violence against women gave way to worries that certain media incited violence against women, which in turn shaded into the view that all women were harmed by the existence of pornography.
    As the latter view rose to the fore, it generated strong opposition. Bronstein adeptly conveys the convictions of feminists on both sides of the contentious battle. WAP [Women Against Pornography] members turned to legal measures in the face of an onslaught of pornography, which they interpreted, in part, as a backlash against feminism. To them, liberals' defense of free speech sounded like a convenient rationalization for men to maintain access to porn, placing abstract principles above women's lived experiences in a dehumanizing, porn-saturated society.
    For those who countered the feminist anti-pornography movement, ceding power to the state to govern sexual expression seemed irresponsible and dangerous, especially in an increasingly conservative political climate. Self-proclaimed “pro-sex” feminists also resisted anti-pornography feminists' attempt to control the discourse on female sexuality. Anti-porn feminists, these critics charged, posited an inherently aggressive male sexuality that cast all women as victims and rendered all heterosexual relations exploitative for women. Moreover, they insisted, the line between one person's erotica and another's pornography would always remain contested. In the end, anti-pornography, a cause that once seemed to have potential to unite feminists against the problem of male sexual violence, proved bitterly divisive."
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  182. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    Apple's diversity chief steps down only six months into the job after she was slammed for saying that a room full of '12 white, blue-eyed, blonde men' can be diverse http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5093985/Apple-s-diversity-chief-steps-six-months-

    This is curious story, since she subsequently recanted, and apparently her replacement will be demoted, and will not report to Tim Cook but to the HR director. I don’t know what to think on that one.

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    In the brave new gynocracy, one should never recant, never apologize, never retreat. You're going down anyway, you might as well go down with a modicum of self-respect intact.
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  183. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Being a musician is hot. Musicians in no name bar bands also do great with the ladies.

    Being picked over all the other groupies is also very hot. Being groped because your body part was there, and hey why not, is not the same thing.

    As for whether women understand our own motivations, well I'm not a Hollywood actress, so I'm engaging in external pattern recognition here, same as you. E.g: straight actors supposedly do these favors for gay producers, too. So there's no reason to believe that the actresses are getting anything out of it sexually at all, any more than the actors are . Same economic logic as the guys, same behavior.

    Most really famous rock and rollers (not that I know a huge number of them, but a few I’ve talked with here and there) will tell you that for sheer access to sex they were better off in their local days.

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  184. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Corn
    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town. To these feminists banging strangers on camera or prostituting yourself through college is “owning your sexuality” and empowering”.

    Porn is problematic for older feminists I think but since the late ‘90s and early ‘00s the “sex positive feminists” have come to town

    Agreed. One thing that many people have failed to notice is that the old school feminists have been stomped, and stomped hard, over the past 20 years. Their brand of feminism is not acceptable to our globalist elites.

    The old school feminists have been marginalised and in practice largely purged from the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Mostly it’s because old school feminists are not popular with the LGBTwhatever lobby. In particular they’re hated by the trans crowd. The LGBT brigade are currently at the top of the Coalition of the Fringes totem pole and anyone who annoys them gets stomped.

    The old school feminists were crazy and evil in their own way. The scary thing is that they now sound almost sane.

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  185. @Moses

    If a man is “hot,” he can get away with a lot of stuff.

    In conclusion, be “hot.”
     
    Reminds me of that great SNL skit with Tom Brady some years back. It was a fake 1950s-style training film on how to avoid harassment charges from women in the workplace.

    It featured a nebbish man nervously asking women for a date. Each woman sneers in disgust then picks up the phone and calls security.

    Tom Brady's character waltzes up to women at their desks in his underwear, then cups a breast after getting her phone number. The women giggle and swoon.

    The main pointers to avoid sexual harassment charges are shown on the screen at the end:

    1) Be handsome
    2) Be attractive
    3) Don't be unattractive

    Brilliantly funny cuz it's true.
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  186. @Sabril
    I agree it's not the same, but it's not totally different either. If you watch groupies swooning over an ugly or mediocre looking rock star, they seem to be genuinely attracted to him. If the same rock star entered a bar incognito and started hitting on girls, those same groupies would not give him the time of day.

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman's mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/protection provider.

    In any event, women are notorious for not understanding their sexual motivations so men are reasonably skeptical. If a woman enthusiastically hopped into the casting couch with Weinstein or anyone else, would she admit it now, even to herself?

    “It’s complicated.”

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  187. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I wonder if anyone has actually written on this. I think the crucial factor is certainly the internet going mainstream. During the 80's there was clearly an alliance of convenience between feminists and "conservatives" on the porn issue. Most of the hard-core feminists (Andrea Dworkin, etc) then were clearly anti-porn. I've read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself. Many of them don't like certain sorts of porn, but I suspect many of them are themselves porn addicts. Actually many of them are, by their own accounts, and claim to like it.

    I’ve read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself.

    It’s also worth remembering that most feminists do not and never could support themselves financially. They rely on the government, or funding directly or indirectly from the usual leftist billionaire suspects. In other words. They’re financially entirely dependent on the globalist elite. If they express an unpopular opinion then they are likely to lose their place at the feeding trough.

    If the globalist elite is in favour of porn then the feminists will go along with that. They love their nice safe cushy do-nothing jobs in academia and the media.

    The main motivating factor for the majority of political “activists” is money.

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  188. @Forbes
    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.

    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.

    They’re about as mature as they’re ever going to get, although some get a boost in maturity after giving birth

    18 no kids = 28 no kids

    38 no kids maybe actually declines in maturity

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  189. @Wilkey
    "Yeah I agree with you, but I’m kinda sick of these things coming out decades later"

    As far as Weinstein, Spacey, etc., go - yeah, it's stupid that women waited decades to report them, even after he harassed them on multiple occasions, but whatever.

    As for Roy Moore? Some of the things he did, if true, were flat out, unquestionably illegal. But why do these women - or the reporters and newspapers who print their stories - wait until barely a month before a crucial senate election to report them? The dude has been in the public eye for two decades or so. He's already had a primary and a runoff, but they wait until *after* his party has committed itself to his nomination to say anything - like they did with Donald Trump and the Access Hollywood Tapes (one month and one day before the election), or the George Bush DUI story (less than a week before the election).

    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn't pay close attention to the race, but I don't know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn't choose Mo Brooks over Moore. Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative. If I were a betting man I would bet it's the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have with Mormons. But I'd probably vote for Moore just to send a message to the people who try to fuck with elections by waiting until just before to report decades-old stories in an effort to throw them to Democrats. But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally. The fact that he even got this far, after the ship he's been doing for two decades, should be embarrassment enough.

    Who cares if the GOP is “embarrassed”? They’ve been embarrassing me since 1988.

    I don’t care if Roy Moore is a practicing cannibal, because he’s an anti-Globalist and he’s a fighter. If there’s any hope for our culture and our civilization, we need to realize that we’re in a 4GW against Globalists and their Deep State, and we need to support other Nationalists if we care about winning this clash of civilizations.

    The fact that the country-club RINOs hate him is a feature, not a bug: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

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  190. @MEH 0910
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/33/a3/4a33a3ea8c97e3bb2930aec1c90e86b5.jpg

    Time, the Avenger.

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  191. @David Davenport
    I think Roy Moore is a nut. I didn’t pay close attention to the race, but I don’t know why the hell Republicans in Alabama didn’t choose Mo Brooks over Moore.


    Brooks seems pretty damn smart and a solid enough, non-RINO conservative.

    Wrong. Brooks is a pro-immigration GOPer. "Solid enough" = conformist political hack.


    If I were a betting man I would bet it’s the stupid problem a lot of idiot evangelicals have ...

    "Idiot evangelicals"? You're really in tune with Alabama voters.


    Why vote for Judge Moore?

    From Wikipedia:

    Moore was elected to the position of Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2001, but was removed from his position in November 2003 by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments commissioned by him from the Alabama Judicial Building, despite orders to do so by a federal court. Moore twice sought the Republican nomination for the governorship of Alabama (in 2006 and 2010), but lost in the primaries. Moore was again elected Chief Justice in 2013, but was suspended in May 2016, for directing probate judges to continue to enforce the state's ban on same-sex marriage despite the fact that this had been deemed unconstitutional.

    Me, I certainly would vote for Judge Moore if I were an Alabama voter.

    But if Moore wins it will unquestionably be an embarrassment for the GOP nationally.

    That's another point in Moore's favor.

    Brooks himself claims otherwise:

    https://brooks.house.gov/issues/immigration

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  192. @Anon
    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about women on this board. Normal women are are biologically programmed to think they're going to get an emotional commitment from the man they have sex with him. If he just walks off after sex and has no more interest in seeing her again, women get confused and angry. Woman think a man who is attracted to her on day one should, logically speaking, also be attracted to her on day two, and so forth. When a man acts completely obsessed with a woman on one day and then totally turned off by her the next day after having had sex with her, that makes a woman think men are fickle, two-faced, and untrustworthy. That's unnatural behavior, to a woman's way of thinking.

    A lot of trouble could be avoided if men understood this.

    If a guy doesn’t come back for Round Two, that’s a pretty good indicator that the girl is not the Ultimate Porno Princess that she believes she is. Ladies — If you want a rematch, step up your Mattress Game.

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  193. @dfordoom

    There ought to be a reasonable statute of limitations for accusations of sexual harassment/assault
     
    The most powerful argument in favour of a reasonable statute of limitations is that after several decades it is simply no longer possible for the accused to have a fair trial. Witnesses have died. Evidence has been destroyed or lost. Memories are no longer reliable. It's especially a problem with "crimes" like sexual harsassment that are purely subjective and hopelessly vague anyway.

    Of course that's why feminists don't want a statute of limitations for these "crimes" - they don't want the men accused to get a fair trial.

    I always felt that way about the Juanita Broaddrick accusation. Is it believable? Yes. Do I actually believe it? I don’t know how I can judge a claim first made twenty years after the event – and that itself is almost twenty years ago by now, which means almost forty total. And I think I now feel the same way about Roy Moore (although he and his surrogates have been dumb enough to make disprovable claims, such as that the restaurant did not even exist at the time).

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  194. @Anon
    Agreed. The vast bulk of women want a home and a family.

    Of course there are outliers. There is a tiny percentage of women who want to be nuns, and are very happy having no home and no family and just helping others. The question here is: is there also a tiny percentage of women who are happy when Al Franken shoves his tongue in their mouth. I argue no, there is no such woman.

    Judging from his toad-like physiognomy, Al Franken is clearly one of H.P. Lovecraft’s human-amphibian hybrids from Innsmouth. As such, his tongue is better adapted for snagging low-flying insects.

    When it is time to spawn, he and his female counterparts simply fertilize eggs laid in the shallows of the harbor.

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  195. A day later I still find this original comment bothersome. Serious predators (a group that seems to clearly include Cosby, Weinstein, and Spacey – jury still out on Moore and Franken) will go after pretty much anyone. I think it really is at least partly about power for them. The idea that any woman (or man in the case of Spacey) should or does feel complimented at being considered “erotically irresistible” by such a person is dubious.

    It comes across as if Steve threw red meat to the Jew-haters for a few days and then decided to vary things up and give some to the woman-haters instead. Very different from his usual style.

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  196. @Anonymous
    This is curious story, since she subsequently recanted, and apparently her replacement will be demoted, and will not report to Tim Cook but to the HR director. I don't know what to think on that one.

    In the brave new gynocracy, one should never recant, never apologize, never retreat. You’re going down anyway, you might as well go down with a modicum of self-respect intact.

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  197. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I was on a high school quiz show - a high school quiz show - and a girl in the next town who'd seen the show cold-called me and offered herself up. Having your face appear on a screen screws with the logic circuits in the female brain.

    This happens quite a bit in reverse also. Female game show contestants have talked about how they usually receive sexual messages for a few days after their appearance – not just on Twitter or Facebook, but sometimes even on their e-mail (presumably their work e-mail, which is more likely to be Google-able) if the creeper managed to dig it up. Social media has given many people of both sexes the belief that they have the right to proposition a complete stranger.

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  198. @S. Anonyia
    Moore won the primary because some group called the “League of Christian Voters” took over local party offices after Moore got ousted from the bench the second time. They were formed solely to support Moore. Also about 25 percent of Alabama Republican electorate consists of evangelicals, many of whom, yes, are morons. Moore is a celebrity to Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, kinda like Duck Dynasty. He speaks at revivals often.

    Everyone who isn’t a cheesy evangelical despises him.

    S… Anon says:

    Also about 25 percent of Alabama Republican electorate consists of evangelicals, many of whom, yes, are morons. Moore is a celebrity to Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, kinda like Duck Dynasty. He speaks at revivals often.

    Everyone who isn’t a cheesy evangelical despises him.

    You sure do know how to win friends and influence people, S…

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  199. guest says:
    @SteveRogers42
    Tyra Banks -- the exception that proves the rule.

    I think she did a whole episode of her talk show on them being real, but much of the world remains unconvinced.

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    "If I can touch 'em, they're real."
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  200. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    It was hot uh permanently traumatizing.

    Bingo and Yup.

    I mean it’s a Pussing Contest.

    It’s like killing two birds with one stone.

    On the one hand, they get to brag how HOT they are/were and men just couldn’t resist them. They turned the head of every man.

    On the other hand, they get to lament about their vicitmhood at the hands of these misogynist men(whose crime seems to be they liked women too much). Rape!

    What a combo.

    From the male perspective, there used to be the madonna/whore complex.
    Now, from the modern female perspective, there is the vixen/victim(or vixtim) complex, aka hussy/hissy complex.

    It’s so irresistible — a formula that fuses opposites into unity is hard to come by — that it could be the basis for a female religion. The genius of Christianity was, after all, the fusion of defeat with victory. Poor victim Jesus… turned out to be Son of God, indeed God.

    But will any Vixtim have the vision to bake a religion out of this?

    It may be good to be the king but it’s just divine to be a vixtim.

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  201. @guest
    I think she did a whole episode of her talk show on them being real, but much of the world remains unconvinced.

    “If I can touch ‘em, they’re real.”

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  202. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    Not even his wife?

    I doubt he shoved his tongue in his wife’s mouth after she’d expressed a lack of enthusiasm about kissing him at all. He probably engaged in normal human mating rituals, she was flattered that a good catch was interested in her, and things went from there.

    I’m not saying you need to be hot to get a woman interested in you. I’m saying women will let a hot guy with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye break all the rules. But Al Franken is not hot in that way, and it sounds like there wasn’t a twinkle in his eye. So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.

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    So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.
     
    She didn't enjoy the experience because there was no way it was going to gain her access to power and money.
    , @Ivy
    Franken/Smalley will need some new affirmations to ride out his latest life setbacks. It is no longer acceptable to be merely good enough, smart enough and have people like him. Does Senate health care cover that?
    , @Anonymous
    If its one thing I've learned from dealing with women, its not to listen to anything they claim about themselves. Its not really like they remember anything accurately but instead exactly modify the memory as appropriate to how they wish to feel at the moment. Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes.
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  203. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    I doubt he shoved his tongue in his wife's mouth after she'd expressed a lack of enthusiasm about kissing him at all. He probably engaged in normal human mating rituals, she was flattered that a good catch was interested in her, and things went from there.

    I'm not saying you need to be hot to get a woman interested in you. I'm saying women will let a hot guy with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye break all the rules. But Al Franken is not hot in that way, and it sounds like there wasn't a twinkle in his eye. So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.

    So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.

    She didn’t enjoy the experience because there was no way it was going to gain her access to power and money.

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    Maybe you're right, but that's totally different than "it was hot and I want an enagagement ring!" which is the claim Steve seems to be endorsing in this post.
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  204. Ivy says:
    @Anon
    I doubt he shoved his tongue in his wife's mouth after she'd expressed a lack of enthusiasm about kissing him at all. He probably engaged in normal human mating rituals, she was flattered that a good catch was interested in her, and things went from there.

    I'm not saying you need to be hot to get a woman interested in you. I'm saying women will let a hot guy with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye break all the rules. But Al Franken is not hot in that way, and it sounds like there wasn't a twinkle in his eye. So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.

    Franken/Smalley will need some new affirmations to ride out his latest life setbacks. It is no longer acceptable to be merely good enough, smart enough and have people like him. Does Senate health care cover that?

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  205. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @dfordoom

    So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.
     
    She didn't enjoy the experience because there was no way it was going to gain her access to power and money.

    Maybe you’re right, but that’s totally different than “it was hot and I want an enagagement ring!” which is the claim Steve seems to be endorsing in this post.

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  206. Whoever says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I wonder if anyone has actually written on this. I think the crucial factor is certainly the internet going mainstream. During the 80's there was clearly an alliance of convenience between feminists and "conservatives" on the porn issue. Most of the hard-core feminists (Andrea Dworkin, etc) then were clearly anti-porn. I've read some amount on porn in recent years, but I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself. Many of them don't like certain sorts of porn, but I suspect many of them are themselves porn addicts. Actually many of them are, by their own accounts, and claim to like it.

    I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself.

    Carolyn Bronstein’s Battling Pornography: The American Feminist Anti-Pornography Movement, 1976–1986 examines the arguments.

    From the review:

    “Activists’ concern about a media environment that condoned violence against women gave way to worries that certain media incited violence against women, which in turn shaded into the view that all women were harmed by the existence of pornography.
    As the latter view rose to the fore, it generated strong opposition. Bronstein adeptly conveys the convictions of feminists on both sides of the contentious battle. WAP [Women Against Pornography] members turned to legal measures in the face of an onslaught of pornography, which they interpreted, in part, as a backlash against feminism. To them, liberals’ defense of free speech sounded like a convenient rationalization for men to maintain access to porn, placing abstract principles above women’s lived experiences in a dehumanizing, porn-saturated society.
    For those who countered the feminist anti-pornography movement, ceding power to the state to govern sexual expression seemed irresponsible and dangerous, especially in an increasingly conservative political climate. Self-proclaimed “pro-sex” feminists also resisted anti-pornography feminists’ attempt to control the discourse on female sexuality. Anti-porn feminists, these critics charged, posited an inherently aggressive male sexuality that cast all women as victims and rendered all heterosexual relations exploitative for women. Moreover, they insisted, the line between one person’s erotica and another’s pornography would always remain contested. In the end, anti-pornography, a cause that once seemed to have potential to unite feminists against the problem of male sexual violence, proved bitterly divisive.”

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    This is definitely the sort of thing I remember from the 80's, and it had some prominence then. But afterwards, and I suspect this had much to do with the internet going mainstream, this sort of thing seemed to disappear from public consciousness.

    I do know that some faction of "radical feminists" are today quite opposed to the "transexual" movement, and receive abuse from upholders of the new narrative. I wonder if they are the same sort who hold to the old anti-porn line.
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  207. MEH 0910 says:
    @Jack O'Fire
    No other hints, Steve?
    Using "goddess" makes me think 40's/50's actresses in the old studio system and though I'm not that old, the last goddess to me would be Sophia Loren.
    We all like gossip...

    Steve has written before about his Geena Davis sighting.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/instead-of-h-1b-why-not-american-women/

    I saw Geena Davis in 2000 rushing through the drugstore without her makeup on. Let’s just say that the lovely Geena the you know from movies and television has devoted much of her waking existence to thinking hard (and effectively) about makeup.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geena_Davis#Personal_life

    On September 1, 2001, Davis married Reza Jarrahy (b. 1971), an Iranian-American plastic surgeon.

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    The word "goddess" through me off. Thanks.
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  208. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    My definition of "hot": say an actress is performing in a USO tour, and her scene partner writes a kiss into her scene and wants to "rehearse" it privately. If the scene partner is "hot" she will be too busy giggling and looking forward to it to ask herself what his motivation is. If he is "not hot", she will find the prospect disgusting, and will consider it sexual harassment if she suspects his motivation is personal rather than professional.

    Al Franken may have been rich and famous, but that does not make him hot.

    I know what you're saying, this is a thing I've seen a lot on the internet lately, "youth and beauty:man::wealth and status:woman", as if you can predict the female libido by thinking how a man would behave in the analogous situation. But the big problem with this theory is, why then does the bored housewife go for the pool boy?

    I suspect the analogy is more like "kindness:man::status:woman". Kindness doesn't make a woman hot, but when a man is looking for the mother of his children, it's high up on the list. Similarly, a woman doesn't want to kiss a man just because he's rich, but when she's looking for a husband it's a really big deal.

    For people who live by facts and logic, what you have laid out is what is known as a circular definition.

    I.e. women are viscerally attracted to rock stars because they are “hot”; and “hot” means that women are viscerally attracted.

    In other words, what you have said is totally meaningless.

    But as I mentioned, you are doing a great job illustrating my point: women tend to have poor insight into their own sexuality.

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man “hot”

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    Early Rolling Stones album covers barely even tried to make the boys look good:

    https://img.discogs.com/lB7eOyVUzSsP7NA-DETrjCy7ZfA=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1349841-1313098294.jpeg.jpg

    , @James Kabala
    I don't think it is particularly illogical to say that some people have charisma and presence even if they do not have conventional good lucks and that many rock stars fall in this category. Franken, on the other hand, is at heart a comedy writer, not an actor. Stand-up comedians and comic actors also often have charisma even if they lack good looks, but Franken is not really one of them. He gradually worked his way from the writers' room into onscreen appearances on Saturday Night Live and then had a few movie roles and even briefly his own sitcom, but he very much began as a behind-the-scenes person.
    , @Anon

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man “hot”
     
    I don't deny there are two (or more!) ways of being sexually attractive. What I'm arguing is that only guys who are attractive in the looks/charisma way can go around kissing random women without causing offense. Guys who are attractive in the wealth/status way can get girls falling over themselves to be with them, but their misbehavior is experienced as offensive. I am using "hot" only for the first type of attraction, and "good catch" for the second.

    With all due respect, being female does give some insight here. You can see from the outside what a girl is willing to put up with without dumping a guy, but you can only see from the inside whether she's grudgingly forgiving him or blissfully happy with his behavior.
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  209. @Sabril
    For people who live by facts and logic, what you have laid out is what is known as a circular definition.

    I.e. women are viscerally attracted to rock stars because they are "hot"; and "hot" means that women are viscerally attracted.

    In other words, what you have said is totally meaningless.

    But as I mentioned, you are doing a great job illustrating my point: women tend to have poor insight into their own sexuality.

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man "hot"

    Early Rolling Stones album covers barely even tried to make the boys look good:

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    Yeah, my impression is that emphasis on male physical attractiveness has increased quite a lot in the West over the last 50 years.

    Perhaps I am mistaken, but it seems a lot less common now to see an ugly or mediocre-looking guy walking down the street with an attractive woman. To be sure, a wealthy or high status man can still pull it off, but an average guy has very little chance anymore.

    Not sure why that is, but I would guess that with the obesity epidemic, declined birth rates, improvements in infant mortality and workplace safety, and the lack of major wars, there is a massive shortage of slender attractive women. So that men are putting more effort into their looks just like college applicants are putting more effort into public service, ie it's an arms race.
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  210. Neoconned says:
    @Corvinus
    There you go again with this socio-sexual hierarchy, which is simply hucksters trying to sell this notion that a "natural" order exists among men. It's pseudo intellectualism at its finest.

    "The aims of most women and most men are mutually exclusive and indeed hostile."

    The aim of the general American male and female population is to find a mate. They have their personal criteria in mind. When that personal criteria jibes, they date, marry, and have children. But leave it to the Roosh's and the Roissy's of the world--single men--to argue that men are doing the world a favor by pumping and dumping already damaged women in hopes that patriarchy will once again dominate the Western Civilization landscape.

    "It is in the interest of women to make most men into eunuchs who serve them..."

    Perhaps it is the women who YOU found interesting that acted in this manner. That does not mean, however, that their conduct is a feature of the female species.

    "The aim of most men is to have as many hot women as possible, and failing that to lock down the combination of (personal preference) of hotness, niceness, youth, and fewer partners as possible."

    With "hot", again, being something of a personal preference. Jessica Biel or Lonnie Anderson? Carrie Ireland or Rooney Mara? Different strokes for different folks.

    "IF and only IF most men were Alpha males..."

    I would surmise that there are more "alpha males" out there, but are labeled something different by those observing the Vox Dayian created social-sexual hierarchy. In other words, it's subjective.

    "and the under-supply of attractive women due to the birth dearth of White women, obesity epidemic, and immavasion of women 4 feet 5 inches tall and round as a basketball has made even mild female attractiveness over-valued to historical terms."

    Assuming that your standards of beauty are THE criteria by which women ought to be measured by.

    Most of whiskeys hierarchies are based off findings from evolutionary psychology and studies of male female pairings….

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  211. Whoever says: • Website

    Most of whiskeys hierarchies are based off findings from evolutionary psychology

    Evolutionary psychology is a pretty shaky basis for anything.
    Acknowledged difficulties with evolutionary psychology include:
    •Hypothesis generation problems (rationalization bias, over-attributing meaning, alternative ways of reaching the goal).
    •Background assumptions (did a genetic path to the adaptation really exist, was there enough genetic variance of the right kind, what is the role of genetic drift?).
    •Verification problems (memetic pressures shaping cultures, is something really an adaptation, what is it an adaptation for?).
    •Contemporary significance problems (evolution is still going on, today’s human-altered environment influences evolution, in the past evolution exploited gene-environment relationships that no longer exist and we don’t know what those were, influence of postulated cultural human universals).
    Evolutionary psychology tends to focus on the motive, so to speak, while ignoring means and opportunity, and can get captivated by “just so” explanatory stories.
    Our grasp of behavioral genetics is still weak and we have limited understanding of the actual mechanisms that drive behavior. Journalistic popularizers brush past these objections and cautions to tell an interesting, if bogus, story that misleads the lay person.
    Of course we evolved, and of course our mental adaptations are a result of natural selection. But that doesn’t help us to know about ourselves unless we know in detail what the selective environment (the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptation) was, and what kinds of heritable variation were present in our gene pool. We don’t know those things and we may never know them.

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    Yes it seems that evolutionary psychology is very vulnerable to flights of fancy.

    Which is unfortunate because it does seem to explain a lot of HBD issues pretty well.
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  212. Sabril says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Early Rolling Stones album covers barely even tried to make the boys look good:

    https://img.discogs.com/lB7eOyVUzSsP7NA-DETrjCy7ZfA=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1349841-1313098294.jpeg.jpg

    Yeah, my impression is that emphasis on male physical attractiveness has increased quite a lot in the West over the last 50 years.

    Perhaps I am mistaken, but it seems a lot less common now to see an ugly or mediocre-looking guy walking down the street with an attractive woman. To be sure, a wealthy or high status man can still pull it off, but an average guy has very little chance anymore.

    Not sure why that is, but I would guess that with the obesity epidemic, declined birth rates, improvements in infant mortality and workplace safety, and the lack of major wars, there is a massive shortage of slender attractive women. So that men are putting more effort into their looks just like college applicants are putting more effort into public service, ie it’s an arms race.

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  213. Sabril says:
    @Whoever

    Most of whiskeys hierarchies are based off findings from evolutionary psychology
     
    Evolutionary psychology is a pretty shaky basis for anything.
    Acknowledged difficulties with evolutionary psychology include:
    •Hypothesis generation problems (rationalization bias, over-attributing meaning, alternative ways of reaching the goal).
    •Background assumptions (did a genetic path to the adaptation really exist, was there enough genetic variance of the right kind, what is the role of genetic drift?).
    •Verification problems (memetic pressures shaping cultures, is something really an adaptation, what is it an adaptation for?).
    •Contemporary significance problems (evolution is still going on, today's human-altered environment influences evolution, in the past evolution exploited gene-environment relationships that no longer exist and we don't know what those were, influence of postulated cultural human universals).
    Evolutionary psychology tends to focus on the motive, so to speak, while ignoring means and opportunity, and can get captivated by "just so" explanatory stories.
    Our grasp of behavioral genetics is still weak and we have limited understanding of the actual mechanisms that drive behavior. Journalistic popularizers brush past these objections and cautions to tell an interesting, if bogus, story that misleads the lay person.
    Of course we evolved, and of course our mental adaptations are a result of natural selection. But that doesn't help us to know about ourselves unless we know in detail what the selective environment (the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptation) was, and what kinds of heritable variation were present in our gene pool. We don't know those things and we may never know them.

    Yes it seems that evolutionary psychology is very vulnerable to flights of fancy.

    Which is unfortunate because it does seem to explain a lot of HBD issues pretty well.

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  214. CK says:
    @Forbes
    Stephen Stills written (and performed) song.

    If I link to Stephen’s version, it is just another white guy mansplaining in song. There is no irony.

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  215. guest says:
    @Perplexed
    "The, for lack of a better term, Victorian style worked well. Lifelong monogamy between established males and young women, the losers consign themselves to spinsterhood/bachelorhood."

    The "Victorian style" involved a lot of prostitution. Mrs. Beeton, author of the first English cookbook, died of syphilis brought home by her husband.

    I was going to mention that as an aside. It’s partly a byproduct of men waiting to establish themselves before getting married.

    There’s an inherent flaw to that, beyond the male libido. Women want their men to be wanted by other women, and are turned on by experienced hands. It isn’t optimal to have them marrying 30 year-old virgins.

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  216. guest says:
    @Forbes
    Women are emotionally mature at 18? On what planet? Lotta goal post moving going on to justify/rationalize/moralize.

    Hard to say women are emotionally mature ever. Their reproductive strategy requires them not to be.

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  217. @Sabril
    For people who live by facts and logic, what you have laid out is what is known as a circular definition.

    I.e. women are viscerally attracted to rock stars because they are "hot"; and "hot" means that women are viscerally attracted.

    In other words, what you have said is totally meaningless.

    But as I mentioned, you are doing a great job illustrating my point: women tend to have poor insight into their own sexuality.

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man "hot"

    I don’t think it is particularly illogical to say that some people have charisma and presence even if they do not have conventional good lucks and that many rock stars fall in this category. Franken, on the other hand, is at heart a comedy writer, not an actor. Stand-up comedians and comic actors also often have charisma even if they lack good looks, but Franken is not really one of them. He gradually worked his way from the writers’ room into onscreen appearances on Saturday Night Live and then had a few movie roles and even briefly his own sitcom, but he very much began as a behind-the-scenes person.

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  218. @Luke Lea

    I mean isn’t this actually a pretty awful time to be a woman? They’re lashing out because they’re beginning to realize they got conned.
     
    I believe Spotted Toad somewhere links to a poll showing that women are less happy now than they used to be, and men more so: https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/

    Reading goings-on in the manosphere I would have thought it was just the other way around.

    This is the study of declining female happiness (by notoriously annoying feminist Econ professor couple Wolfers and Stevenson)

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf

    I buried the link in a bunch of typically pretentious verbiage here

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/vengeance-on-whom/

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  219. @MEH 0910
    Steve has written before about his Geena Davis sighting.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/instead-of-h-1b-why-not-american-women/

    I saw Geena Davis in 2000 rushing through the drugstore without her makeup on. Let’s just say that the lovely Geena the you know from movies and television has devoted much of her waking existence to thinking hard (and effectively) about makeup.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geena_Davis#Personal_life

    On September 1, 2001, Davis married Reza Jarrahy (b. 1971), an Iranian-American plastic surgeon.
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Reza_Jarrahy_and_Geena_Davis_at_the_2009_Tribeca_Film_Festival.jpg/220px-Reza_Jarrahy_and_Geena_Davis_at_the_2009_Tribeca_Film_Festival.jpg

    The word “goddess” through me off. Thanks.

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    I actually agree with Steve that Geena in her prime was a goddess. My subjective sense is that the description is apt.
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  220. Sabril says:

    Logical or not, it’s imconsistent with observable reality.

    If Justin Bieber entered a bar incognito, do you think all the hot girls would swoon over his amazing presence and charisma?

    In reality, if you are not an extremely attractive man, you could have all the charisma in the world and it won’t make a difference to 99% of hot chicks because if you approach them, they won’t even engage with you and give you the chance to demonstrate your amazing charisma.

    If you are a high status man, the hot babes will approach you.

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    True enough, although it was women who bought Bieber's music and made him high-status to begin with, so he must have some natural appeal to them that our male eyes are unable to detect.
    , @Anon
    Singing is a hot activity. I hear there are girls who don't look like much just sitting there, but if guys see them walking by, these girls are gifted at moving their hips in a way that makes them hot. Similarly singing can reveal a gift for, er, breathing in an emotionally intense yet controlled way. That sounds lame, but come on, you know what I mean - guys find a lady singer hot, too, don't they?

    I disagree that I am employing circular reasoning here. I define hot to be the quality that makes a girl weak in the knees when she thinks about kissing a particular guy. I deny that Al Franken has that quality, based on empirical observation. I acknowledge that riches may induce a girl to kiss a guy via a variety of pathways (pure avarice, seeing he's a good catch and being willing to get to know him, being pleased at beating out other girls who may be attracted by the previous two reasons, etc). I deny that any of these pathways are the same as hotness, as the first and third don't have anything to do with the guy himself, and the second operates only on that subset of girls who have in fact gotten to know him. Therefore I conclude that girls will not be weak in the knees when faced with the prospect of kissing Franken.

    There's a step in there that's empirical rather than logical, but that is not what is meant by circular reasoning.

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  221. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I doubt he shoved his tongue in his wife's mouth after she'd expressed a lack of enthusiasm about kissing him at all. He probably engaged in normal human mating rituals, she was flattered that a good catch was interested in her, and things went from there.

    I'm not saying you need to be hot to get a woman interested in you. I'm saying women will let a hot guy with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye break all the rules. But Al Franken is not hot in that way, and it sounds like there wasn't a twinkle in his eye. So there is no way this women enjoyed that experience.

    If its one thing I’ve learned from dealing with women, its not to listen to anything they claim about themselves. Its not really like they remember anything accurately but instead exactly modify the memory as appropriate to how they wish to feel at the moment. Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes.

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    "Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes."

    The new approved term is "emotional terrorist", not asshole.
    , @Anon
    You know, being hot is not really very important, and it doesn't leave a huge trace in people's behavior. So what if there are guys who can get away with being fresh with women and the women think it's adorable. It doesn't mean the women are actually going to date those guys, or do anything that any outside observer would even notice beyond smiling indulgently.

    What you notice is women dating guys who are good catches. It's very similar really to how men don't find education hot in a woman, yet somehow at the end of the day upper middle class guys always seem to end up with a woman with a college degree and very often a professional degree. As an outside observer, you might be tempted to conclude that men find education hot. But no, it's just that a lot more goes into a relationship calculus than hotness.
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  222. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous
    If its one thing I've learned from dealing with women, its not to listen to anything they claim about themselves. Its not really like they remember anything accurately but instead exactly modify the memory as appropriate to how they wish to feel at the moment. Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes.

    “Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes.”

    The new approved term is “emotional terrorist”, not asshole.

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  223. @Sabril
    Logical or not, it's imconsistent with observable reality.

    If Justin Bieber entered a bar incognito, do you think all the hot girls would swoon over his amazing presence and charisma?

    In reality, if you are not an extremely attractive man, you could have all the charisma in the world and it won't make a difference to 99% of hot chicks because if you approach them, they won't even engage with you and give you the chance to demonstrate your amazing charisma.

    If you are a high status man, the hot babes will approach you.

    True enough, although it was women who bought Bieber’s music and made him high-status to begin with, so he must have some natural appeal to them that our male eyes are unable to detect.

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  224. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Whoever

    I can hardly recall any specifically feminist argument against porn itself.
     
    Carolyn Bronstein's Battling Pornography: The American Feminist Anti-Pornography Movement, 1976–1986 examines the arguments.

    From the review:

    "Activists' concern about a media environment that condoned violence against women gave way to worries that certain media incited violence against women, which in turn shaded into the view that all women were harmed by the existence of pornography.
    As the latter view rose to the fore, it generated strong opposition. Bronstein adeptly conveys the convictions of feminists on both sides of the contentious battle. WAP [Women Against Pornography] members turned to legal measures in the face of an onslaught of pornography, which they interpreted, in part, as a backlash against feminism. To them, liberals' defense of free speech sounded like a convenient rationalization for men to maintain access to porn, placing abstract principles above women's lived experiences in a dehumanizing, porn-saturated society.
    For those who countered the feminist anti-pornography movement, ceding power to the state to govern sexual expression seemed irresponsible and dangerous, especially in an increasingly conservative political climate. Self-proclaimed “pro-sex” feminists also resisted anti-pornography feminists' attempt to control the discourse on female sexuality. Anti-porn feminists, these critics charged, posited an inherently aggressive male sexuality that cast all women as victims and rendered all heterosexual relations exploitative for women. Moreover, they insisted, the line between one person's erotica and another's pornography would always remain contested. In the end, anti-pornography, a cause that once seemed to have potential to unite feminists against the problem of male sexual violence, proved bitterly divisive."

    This is definitely the sort of thing I remember from the 80′s, and it had some prominence then. But afterwards, and I suspect this had much to do with the internet going mainstream, this sort of thing seemed to disappear from public consciousness.

    I do know that some faction of “radical feminists” are today quite opposed to the “transexual” movement, and receive abuse from upholders of the new narrative. I wonder if they are the same sort who hold to the old anti-porn line.

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  225. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    Logical or not, it's imconsistent with observable reality.

    If Justin Bieber entered a bar incognito, do you think all the hot girls would swoon over his amazing presence and charisma?

    In reality, if you are not an extremely attractive man, you could have all the charisma in the world and it won't make a difference to 99% of hot chicks because if you approach them, they won't even engage with you and give you the chance to demonstrate your amazing charisma.

    If you are a high status man, the hot babes will approach you.

    Singing is a hot activity. I hear there are girls who don’t look like much just sitting there, but if guys see them walking by, these girls are gifted at moving their hips in a way that makes them hot. Similarly singing can reveal a gift for, er, breathing in an emotionally intense yet controlled way. That sounds lame, but come on, you know what I mean – guys find a lady singer hot, too, don’t they?

    I disagree that I am employing circular reasoning here. I define hot to be the quality that makes a girl weak in the knees when she thinks about kissing a particular guy. I deny that Al Franken has that quality, based on empirical observation. I acknowledge that riches may induce a girl to kiss a guy via a variety of pathways (pure avarice, seeing he’s a good catch and being willing to get to know him, being pleased at beating out other girls who may be attracted by the previous two reasons, etc). I deny that any of these pathways are the same as hotness, as the first and third don’t have anything to do with the guy himself, and the second operates only on that subset of girls who have in fact gotten to know him. Therefore I conclude that girls will not be weak in the knees when faced with the prospect of kissing Franken.

    There’s a step in there that’s empirical rather than logical, but that is not what is meant by circular reasoning.

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    "Singing is hot"

    If that were the case, one would expect legions of men to be masturbating to thoughts of Tracy Chapman.

    At the same time, one can observe that apart from rock star singers, the same effect can be elicited by celebrated artists, instrumental musicians, and athletes.

    One can account for this observation with ad hoc hypotheses ("art is hot!" "Music is hot!" "Sports are hot!") but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men. A corollary to this rule is that power = status.

    Anyway, you state that you are not attracted to Al Franken. To that I would point out that status is not a guaranty of female attraction and Franken happens to be overweight, in his late 60s, and rather ugly, things which are difficult to overcome.

    Perhaps more importantly, it's unlikely that you run in his circles. If you were a congressional aid and constantly saw people deferring to him and kissing up to him, it would probably activate your instincts just as if you saw crowds screaming for Mick Jagger.

    Naturally you will deny this which brings me back to my earlier point. Women generally have poor insight into their sexual motivations.
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  226. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    For people who live by facts and logic, what you have laid out is what is known as a circular definition.

    I.e. women are viscerally attracted to rock stars because they are "hot"; and "hot" means that women are viscerally attracted.

    In other words, what you have said is totally meaningless.

    But as I mentioned, you are doing a great job illustrating my point: women tend to have poor insight into their own sexuality.

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man "hot"

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man “hot”

    I don’t deny there are two (or more!) ways of being sexually attractive. What I’m arguing is that only guys who are attractive in the looks/charisma way can go around kissing random women without causing offense. Guys who are attractive in the wealth/status way can get girls falling over themselves to be with them, but their misbehavior is experienced as offensive. I am using “hot” only for the first type of attraction, and “good catch” for the second.

    With all due respect, being female does give some insight here. You can see from the outside what a girl is willing to put up with without dumping a guy, but you can only see from the inside whether she’s grudgingly forgiving him or blissfully happy with his behavior.

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    Let's make sure I understand this: If a high status artist or athlete pinches a woman on the rear uninvited, she may put up with it but she will probably be offended; if the handsome poolboy does the same thing, women will accept and enjoy it.

    Is that pretty much your position?
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  227. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    Singing is a hot activity. I hear there are girls who don't look like much just sitting there, but if guys see them walking by, these girls are gifted at moving their hips in a way that makes them hot. Similarly singing can reveal a gift for, er, breathing in an emotionally intense yet controlled way. That sounds lame, but come on, you know what I mean - guys find a lady singer hot, too, don't they?

    I disagree that I am employing circular reasoning here. I define hot to be the quality that makes a girl weak in the knees when she thinks about kissing a particular guy. I deny that Al Franken has that quality, based on empirical observation. I acknowledge that riches may induce a girl to kiss a guy via a variety of pathways (pure avarice, seeing he's a good catch and being willing to get to know him, being pleased at beating out other girls who may be attracted by the previous two reasons, etc). I deny that any of these pathways are the same as hotness, as the first and third don't have anything to do with the guy himself, and the second operates only on that subset of girls who have in fact gotten to know him. Therefore I conclude that girls will not be weak in the knees when faced with the prospect of kissing Franken.

    There's a step in there that's empirical rather than logical, but that is not what is meant by circular reasoning.

    “Singing is hot”

    If that were the case, one would expect legions of men to be masturbating to thoughts of Tracy Chapman.

    At the same time, one can observe that apart from rock star singers, the same effect can be elicited by celebrated artists, instrumental musicians, and athletes.

    One can account for this observation with ad hoc hypotheses (“art is hot!” “Music is hot!” “Sports are hot!”) but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men. A corollary to this rule is that power = status.

    Anyway, you state that you are not attracted to Al Franken. To that I would point out that status is not a guaranty of female attraction and Franken happens to be overweight, in his late 60s, and rather ugly, things which are difficult to overcome.

    Perhaps more importantly, it’s unlikely that you run in his circles. If you were a congressional aid and constantly saw people deferring to him and kissing up to him, it would probably activate your instincts just as if you saw crowds screaming for Mick Jagger.

    Naturally you will deny this which brings me back to my earlier point. Women generally have poor insight into their sexual motivations.

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    but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men
     
    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.

    Rock stars are just a bad example, it's over determined.
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  228. Sabril says:
    @Anon

    As far as the poolboy example goes, your mistake lies in not appreciating that female sexuality operates on two tracks. Both looks and wealth/status can independently make a man “hot”
     
    I don't deny there are two (or more!) ways of being sexually attractive. What I'm arguing is that only guys who are attractive in the looks/charisma way can go around kissing random women without causing offense. Guys who are attractive in the wealth/status way can get girls falling over themselves to be with them, but their misbehavior is experienced as offensive. I am using "hot" only for the first type of attraction, and "good catch" for the second.

    With all due respect, being female does give some insight here. You can see from the outside what a girl is willing to put up with without dumping a guy, but you can only see from the inside whether she's grudgingly forgiving him or blissfully happy with his behavior.

    Let’s make sure I understand this: If a high status artist or athlete pinches a woman on the rear uninvited, she may put up with it but she will probably be offended; if the handsome poolboy does the same thing, women will accept and enjoy it.

    Is that pretty much your position?

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    Pretty much, yes.

    Actually, if you want documentary evidence of this, look at the video of Halle Berry's face when Adrian Brody grabs her and kisses her when he won his Oscar. She plays along, but she is not happy.
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  229. Olorin says:
    @dfordoom

    Women at plus-1.75-plus SD IQ should be allowed to vote. Men too.

    Under that, nobody should be allowed to vote. Men too.
     
    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting. The higher the IQ the more crazy things people believe. Socialism, feminism, LGBT "rights," open borders - these are foolish ideas that only high IQ people actually believe in.

    Confining the vote to high IQ is an excellent recipe for a totalitarian dystopian nightmare world.

    The vote should be confined to people in the 90-110 IQ range. Enough brains to comprehend reality but not enough brains to believe in utopian nonsense.

    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting.

    You left out the landowner part, which is the check.

    Effete high IQ autists such as you are describing will never bother with landowning. Too much like hard work, out in the elements. Not fit for managing other humans to get the landwork done.

    An IQ of 120-125+ is required to be an effective manager of both ecosystems/agronomic systems/wildlife/forestry and the people, tools, machines, and data streams it takes to get that work done. While developing a sufficient theory of mind to understand and interact effectively with the other life forms on that land.

    I have other uses for effete high IQ autists in my Grasp This Sorry Scheme of Things Entire project, but voting isn’t one of them. :D

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    You left out the landowner part, which is the check.
     
    Confining the vote to landowners - that would be pretty much neo-feudalism wouldn't it?

    Not that I have a problem with feudalism, but it would only work if power were to be combined with responsibility which is pretty much the hallmark of feudalism. In our society it would just amount to disenfranchising all those nasty horrid poor people. Those nasty horrid poor people might react quite badly to that.

    Why not just ditch democracy entirely? Absolutist monarchy is the safest system.
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  230. “Let’s all talk about the time a powerful man found me erotically irresistible. It was hot uh permanently traumatizing. And I deserve money. Or at least attention. And pity. Or envy. And an engagement ring from him.”

    Good luck with that last one, honey.

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  231. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Olorin

    A high IQ is the worst possible qualification for voting.
     
    You left out the landowner part, which is the check.

    Effete high IQ autists such as you are describing will never bother with landowning. Too much like hard work, out in the elements. Not fit for managing other humans to get the landwork done.

    An IQ of 120-125+ is required to be an effective manager of both ecosystems/agronomic systems/wildlife/forestry and the people, tools, machines, and data streams it takes to get that work done. While developing a sufficient theory of mind to understand and interact effectively with the other life forms on that land.

    I have other uses for effete high IQ autists in my Grasp This Sorry Scheme of Things Entire project, but voting isn't one of them. :D

    You left out the landowner part, which is the check.

    Confining the vote to landowners – that would be pretty much neo-feudalism wouldn’t it?

    Not that I have a problem with feudalism, but it would only work if power were to be combined with responsibility which is pretty much the hallmark of feudalism. In our society it would just amount to disenfranchising all those nasty horrid poor people. Those nasty horrid poor people might react quite badly to that.

    Why not just ditch democracy entirely? Absolutist monarchy is the safest system.

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  232. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    Let's make sure I understand this: If a high status artist or athlete pinches a woman on the rear uninvited, she may put up with it but she will probably be offended; if the handsome poolboy does the same thing, women will accept and enjoy it.

    Is that pretty much your position?

    Pretty much, yes.

    Actually, if you want documentary evidence of this, look at the video of Halle Berry’s face when Adrian Brody grabs her and kisses her when he won his Oscar. She plays along, but she is not happy.

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  233. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    "Singing is hot"

    If that were the case, one would expect legions of men to be masturbating to thoughts of Tracy Chapman.

    At the same time, one can observe that apart from rock star singers, the same effect can be elicited by celebrated artists, instrumental musicians, and athletes.

    One can account for this observation with ad hoc hypotheses ("art is hot!" "Music is hot!" "Sports are hot!") but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men. A corollary to this rule is that power = status.

    Anyway, you state that you are not attracted to Al Franken. To that I would point out that status is not a guaranty of female attraction and Franken happens to be overweight, in his late 60s, and rather ugly, things which are difficult to overcome.

    Perhaps more importantly, it's unlikely that you run in his circles. If you were a congressional aid and constantly saw people deferring to him and kissing up to him, it would probably activate your instincts just as if you saw crowds screaming for Mick Jagger.

    Naturally you will deny this which brings me back to my earlier point. Women generally have poor insight into their sexual motivations.

    but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men

    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.

    Rock stars are just a bad example, it’s over determined.

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    It's pretty common for beautiful actresses to marry rock musicians, even when the actresses are more famous. Chicks dig guys in bands.
    , @sabril

    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.
     
    If it were just a matter of "music is hot," the PUA's like Roosh would not bother going to clubs, they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar.

    But anyway, it seems like you don't deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?
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  234. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    If its one thing I've learned from dealing with women, its not to listen to anything they claim about themselves. Its not really like they remember anything accurately but instead exactly modify the memory as appropriate to how they wish to feel at the moment. Only observe the actions of women, and its pretty evident that they tend to go for assholes.

    You know, being hot is not really very important, and it doesn’t leave a huge trace in people’s behavior. So what if there are guys who can get away with being fresh with women and the women think it’s adorable. It doesn’t mean the women are actually going to date those guys, or do anything that any outside observer would even notice beyond smiling indulgently.

    What you notice is women dating guys who are good catches. It’s very similar really to how men don’t find education hot in a woman, yet somehow at the end of the day upper middle class guys always seem to end up with a woman with a college degree and very often a professional degree. As an outside observer, you might be tempted to conclude that men find education hot. But no, it’s just that a lot more goes into a relationship calculus than hotness.

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  235. MEH 0910 says:
    @Jack O'Fire
    The word "goddess" through me off. Thanks.

    I actually agree with Steve that Geena in her prime was a goddess. My subjective sense is that the description is apt.

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  236. @Anon

    but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men
     
    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.

    Rock stars are just a bad example, it's over determined.

    It’s pretty common for beautiful actresses to marry rock musicians, even when the actresses are more famous. Chicks dig guys in bands.

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  237. sabril says:
    @Anon

    but there is a simple, predictive explanation that ties together these observations: women are viscerally attracted to high status men
     
    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.

    Rock stars are just a bad example, it's over determined.

    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.

    If it were just a matter of “music is hot,” the PUA’s like Roosh would not bother going to clubs, they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar.

    But anyway, it seems like you don’t deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?

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    "they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar"

    If they were good at it, yes. But if they're not good it would make them even lamer.

    "But anyway, it seems like you don’t deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?"

    I deny that being successful per se has anything to do with it. Like I said, look at the video of Halle Berry. Adrian Brody is at the height of his success as a performer, but when he kisses her, all she can think of is how to wipe his slobber off ASAP without messing up her make up. She really looks upset.
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  238. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @sabril

    But you also have to account for the fact that women are attracted both to rich rock starts and to losers-by-day in no name bar bands, and the simple explanation there is that music is hot.
     
    If it were just a matter of "music is hot," the PUA's like Roosh would not bother going to clubs, they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar.

    But anyway, it seems like you don't deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?

    “they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar”

    If they were good at it, yes. But if they’re not good it would make them even lamer.

    “But anyway, it seems like you don’t deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?”

    I deny that being successful per se has anything to do with it. Like I said, look at the video of Halle Berry. Adrian Brody is at the height of his success as a performer, but when he kisses her, all she can think of is how to wipe his slobber off ASAP without messing up her make up. She really looks upset.

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    Reminds me of the experiment where they had a world class violinist playing a Stradivarius on the nyc subway and everyone ignored him. Certainly there were no girls throwing themselves at him. So much for the good music hypothesis.

    Anyway, do you have any idea at all why women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes and artists? Or is it just a mystery for you?
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  239. Sabril says:
    @Anon
    "they would just sit on a subway platform strumming the guitar"

    If they were good at it, yes. But if they're not good it would make them even lamer.

    "But anyway, it seems like you don’t deny that women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists, etc. Agreed?"

    I deny that being successful per se has anything to do with it. Like I said, look at the video of Halle Berry. Adrian Brody is at the height of his success as a performer, but when he kisses her, all she can think of is how to wipe his slobber off ASAP without messing up her make up. She really looks upset.

    Reminds me of the experiment where they had a world class violinist playing a Stradivarius on the nyc subway and everyone ignored him. Certainly there were no girls throwing themselves at him. So much for the good music hypothesis.

    Anyway, do you have any idea at all why women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes and artists? Or is it just a mystery for you?

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    Yes, the basis of attraction is a mystery. Isn't that kind of a common theme in art?

    Let me ask you this, if money/status is per se attractive, then what is a gold digger? I had thought the definition was someone who was pretending to be attracted to a rich guy in order to get her hands on his money. But if money is per se attractive, then shouldn't she be a girl just honestly indulging her lust? (On the negative male stereotype side, you definitely have jerks who marry a model but don't respect her and cheat on her with other models. So maybe a gold digger is kind of the female version of that. But when she cheats on her rich husband, from what I hear, it's not with other guys of his type, but with conventionally attractive, young guys. Suggesting, unlike the jerky male, that the gold digger is not indulging her lust with her spouse.)
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  240. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sabril
    Reminds me of the experiment where they had a world class violinist playing a Stradivarius on the nyc subway and everyone ignored him. Certainly there were no girls throwing themselves at him. So much for the good music hypothesis.

    Anyway, do you have any idea at all why women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes and artists? Or is it just a mystery for you?

    Yes, the basis of attraction is a mystery. Isn’t that kind of a common theme in art?

    Let me ask you this, if money/status is per se attractive, then what is a gold digger? I had thought the definition was someone who was pretending to be attracted to a rich guy in order to get her hands on his money. But if money is per se attractive, then shouldn’t she be a girl just honestly indulging her lust? (On the negative male stereotype side, you definitely have jerks who marry a model but don’t respect her and cheat on her with other models. So maybe a gold digger is kind of the female version of that. But when she cheats on her rich husband, from what I hear, it’s not with other guys of his type, but with conventionally attractive, young guys. Suggesting, unlike the jerky male, that the gold digger is not indulging her lust with her spouse.)

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  241. sabril says:

    Yes, the basis of attraction is a mystery.

    A mystery to you anyway. But since you now admit you are somewhat ignorant about how female attraction works, perhaps you will stop dismissing the hypothesis that women are viscerally attracted to high status in men.

    As for me, I’m going to go with Occam’s Razor on this one. i.e. there is a simple hypothesis which neatly explains why women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists & musicians, etc: social status.

    Let me ask you this, if money status is per se attractive, then what is a gold digger?

    I would say it’s a woman who consciously or subconsciously puts high value on wealth in potential mates.

    I don’t deny that there exist women who feign attraction to wealthy men in order to get access to their resources. See, women are viscerally attracted to looks, money, and status. But in some situations for some women a man’s success in one category does not overcome his deficits in another. And in fact, in the classic gold-digger situation, the man is physically unattractive and not very important. He’s wealthy and ugly and lonely.

    Of course there are also girls who are genuinely attracted to wealth to the point where they will ignore serious shortcomings in other areas. Would you call them gold-diggers? It’s just a matter of semantics.

    But when she cheats on her rich husband, from what I hear, it’s not with other guys of his type

    Sure, here’s what I said at the very beginning:

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman’s mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/ protection provider.

    It’s fascinating to me just how poorly women understand their own sexuality.

    But since you asked me a question, I will ask you one: In romance novels aimed at women, the male lead is very often good-looking AND wealthy AND high-status. If women are not viscerally attracted to wealth and status, why would fantasy literature spill so much ink over these things?

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    Wow, how far did I just scroll down!?! Since we seem to have circled back to the beginning of our conversation, maybe it's time to just think each other's responses over.

    The answer to your question is that the fantasy is not having to choose between practicality and romance. Wealth is great and swooning is great, and wouldn't it be great to max out both from the same guy. If wealth produced swooning, why would the author bother making him good looking?

    Women are I think less sentimental in some ways than men are. Who doesn't like money? Why wouldn't a spouse who has money to share with you be better than that same spouse with no money? It seems it is very shocking to men to think that it's that simple, and they want to propose all these epicycles in female sexuality to account for female behavior that takes account of wealth. But homo economicus understands it all perfectly. Women don't long to gaze into the eyes of a rich guy, they want a chance of some upside if they play their cards right. The more internet theorizing I read from men who rule out obvious practical motives in explaining female behavior, the more I suspect that men must themselves be deeply sentimental creatures and projecting that onto women.

    That's my suspicion anyway, I'll have to keep my eye out for more evidence. It's very kind of you to keep answering me, and I'll let you have the last word, if you want it. Very nice talking to you, sabril. :)
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  242. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @sabril

    Yes, the basis of attraction is a mystery.
     
    A mystery to you anyway. But since you now admit you are somewhat ignorant about how female attraction works, perhaps you will stop dismissing the hypothesis that women are viscerally attracted to high status in men.

    As for me, I'm going to go with Occam's Razor on this one. i.e. there is a simple hypothesis which neatly explains why women are viscerally attracted to successful athletes, prominent artists & musicians, etc: social status.

    Let me ask you this, if money status is per se attractive, then what is a gold digger?
     
    I would say it's a woman who consciously or subconsciously puts high value on wealth in potential mates.

    I don't deny that there exist women who feign attraction to wealthy men in order to get access to their resources. See, women are viscerally attracted to looks, money, and status. But in some situations for some women a man's success in one category does not overcome his deficits in another. And in fact, in the classic gold-digger situation, the man is physically unattractive and not very important. He's wealthy and ugly and lonely.

    Of course there are also girls who are genuinely attracted to wealth to the point where they will ignore serious shortcomings in other areas. Would you call them gold-diggers? It's just a matter of semantics.

    But when she cheats on her rich husband, from what I hear, it’s not with other guys of his type
     
    Sure, here's what I said at the very beginning:

    Female sexuality seems to run on two tracks, which is hardly a surprise. In the ancestral environment, a woman’s mate(s) served two roles: genetic contributor and resource/ protection provider.
     
    It's fascinating to me just how poorly women understand their own sexuality.

    But since you asked me a question, I will ask you one: In romance novels aimed at women, the male lead is very often good-looking AND wealthy AND high-status. If women are not viscerally attracted to wealth and status, why would fantasy literature spill so much ink over these things?

    Wow, how far did I just scroll down!?! Since we seem to have circled back to the beginning of our conversation, maybe it’s time to just think each other’s responses over.

    The answer to your question is that the fantasy is not having to choose between practicality and romance. Wealth is great and swooning is great, and wouldn’t it be great to max out both from the same guy. If wealth produced swooning, why would the author bother making him good looking?

    Women are I think less sentimental in some ways than men are. Who doesn’t like money? Why wouldn’t a spouse who has money to share with you be better than that same spouse with no money? It seems it is very shocking to men to think that it’s that simple, and they want to propose all these epicycles in female sexuality to account for female behavior that takes account of wealth. But homo economicus understands it all perfectly. Women don’t long to gaze into the eyes of a rich guy, they want a chance of some upside if they play their cards right. The more internet theorizing I read from men who rule out obvious practical motives in explaining female behavior, the more I suspect that men must themselves be deeply sentimental creatures and projecting that onto women.

    That’s my suspicion anyway, I’ll have to keep my eye out for more evidence. It’s very kind of you to keep answering me, and I’ll let you have the last word, if you want it. Very nice talking to you, sabril. :)

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    The answer to your question is that the fantasy is not having to choose between practicality and romance
     
    What's the practical advantage in having a man who is high status?

    Who doesn’t like money?
     
    Very few people, but you don't see men getting turned off by a girl who who has less income than him.

    all these epicycles in female sexuality to account for female behavior that takes account of wealth
     
    If it were just a matter of practicality, then high income women would not insist on marrying high income men. And would not divorce husbands who have lower income. But that's not observable reality.

    And if it were just a matter of practicality, women in bars would not get turned on by the mediocre looking lead singer of the no-name band performing that night.

    Anyway, you have already essentially admitted that female attraction is a mystery to you, so it's difficult to see why you continue to argue your point. Here's what you finally said:

    the basis of attraction is a mystery.
     
    Given your self-admitted ignorance, it's difficult to see why you would continue to maintain that women are NOT viscerally attracted to status or wealth. At best, you don't know one way or another. Which makes sense, since women are notoriously unable to understand their own sexual motivations.

    Very nice talking to you, sabril. :)
     
    Thanks, bye.
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  243. sabril says:
    @Anon
    Wow, how far did I just scroll down!?! Since we seem to have circled back to the beginning of our conversation, maybe it's time to just think each other's responses over.

    The answer to your question is that the fantasy is not having to choose between practicality and romance. Wealth is great and swooning is great, and wouldn't it be great to max out both from the same guy. If wealth produced swooning, why would the author bother making him good looking?

    Women are I think less sentimental in some ways than men are. Who doesn't like money? Why wouldn't a spouse who has money to share with you be better than that same spouse with no money? It seems it is very shocking to men to think that it's that simple, and they want to propose all these epicycles in female sexuality to account for female behavior that takes account of wealth. But homo economicus understands it all perfectly. Women don't long to gaze into the eyes of a rich guy, they want a chance of some upside if they play their cards right. The more internet theorizing I read from men who rule out obvious practical motives in explaining female behavior, the more I suspect that men must themselves be deeply sentimental creatures and projecting that onto women.

    That's my suspicion anyway, I'll have to keep my eye out for more evidence. It's very kind of you to keep answering me, and I'll let you have the last word, if you want it. Very nice talking to you, sabril. :)

    The answer to your question is that the fantasy is not having to choose between practicality and romance

    What’s the practical advantage in having a man who is high status?

    Who doesn’t like money?

    Very few people, but you don’t see men getting turned off by a girl who who has less income than him.

    all these epicycles in female sexuality to account for female behavior that takes account of wealth

    If it were just a matter of practicality, then high income women would not insist on marrying high income men. And would not divorce husbands who have lower income. But that’s not observable reality.

    And if it were just a matter of practicality, women in bars would not get turned on by the mediocre looking lead singer of the no-name band performing that night.

    Anyway, you have already essentially admitted that female attraction is a mystery to you, so it’s difficult to see why you continue to argue your point. Here’s what you finally said:

    the basis of attraction is a mystery.

    Given your self-admitted ignorance, it’s difficult to see why you would continue to maintain that women are NOT viscerally attracted to status or wealth. At best, you don’t know one way or another. Which makes sense, since women are notoriously unable to understand their own sexual motivations.

    Very nice talking to you, sabril. :)

    Thanks, bye.

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  244. sabril says:

    Just to add to my last post, I think that pornography, erotica, and the like are instructive in what people find viscerally attractive.

    As mentioned above, when these materials are aimed at women, it’s extremely common for the fantasy man to be wealthy and high status. For example Christian Grey.

    But when these materials are aimed at men, it’s much more hit or miss. In pornography for men, the main thing is that the female fantasy figure is young and attractive. Her income and assets are usually not disclosed or even hinted at.

    Even Chippendale dancers generally don’t get completely naked, instead they often wear a tie, a fireman’s hat, etc. — something that connotes either having a job or having some degree of social status, or both. Female erotic dancers generally don’t do that, either they are completely naked or they are wearing high heeled shoes.

    Anyway, the point of pornography, erotica, and the like is to excite people at a visceral level. It’s hard to believe that the makers of this stuff care about “practicality” to the point where almost all of the fantasy men are high wealth and/or high status. The more simple explanation is that these things really do turn women on, even though they don’t like to admit it.

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