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One of the characteristic cultural products of our times are impassioned thinkpieces about pedantic comedians who sound about as funny as a Bard College adjunct professor of Deconstruction Studies lecturing on the politics of laughter. For example, from Vulture:

Bill Maher Is Stand-up Comedy’s Past. Hannah Gadsby Represents Its Future.

By Matt Zoller Seitz

July 12, 2018 1:26 pm

Last weekend, as Hannah Gadsby’s Netflix phenomenon Nanette continued to rack up impassioned reviews and think pieces, Bill Maher aired a new HBO special, Live From Oklahoma. If you watch them back-to-back, they seem to be in conversation, or debate. They have core subjects in common, including the cultural and political status of the cisgender straight man in the era of Donald Trump and #MeToo. But just as importantly, they represent comedy’s past and its future. Maher is the past. Gadsby is the future.

If you look at what both performers have served up as examples of their personal best, it’s hard not to be embarrassed for Maher, as well as anyone else in comedy who feels more kinship with him than with somebody like Gadsby. The Tasmanian comic’s Nanette, which shifts from a typical, joke-driven stand-up special into an explanation of why she’s quitting comedy, delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self, and as a student of visual art history who scrutinized Western art painted mainly by straight white men that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.” It’s a sensational special that veers from breezy slightness to unsettling depths before settling on a benevolent but challenging tone, in the vein of a teacher who entertains in order to teach but also teaches because she’s an entertainer. Gadsby discusses everything from Tasmania’s history of criminalizing homosexuality to her own coming out, her ingrained tendency to be self-deprecating (“It’s not humility, it’s humiliation”), and her suppression of her personality to please both the dominant, straight male–driven culture, and lesbians whose political identities are based around being demonstrative and emotionally transparent (“Where are the quiet gays supposed to go?”).

Nanette is also a deconstruction of stand-up specials, as well as several generations’ worth of straight male–crafted opinions on what “good comedy” is and what “great art” is. Gadsby poses a question which, if answered affirmatively, would validate her stated wish to quit doing stand-up: What if “funny” is the enemy of “honest,” or at least at cross-purposes with it? …

One way Gadsby does that is by making comedy itself one of her main topics. Among other things, she argues that “jokes” are less useful for describing the totality of the human condition than “stories.” Jokes, she says, are incomplete thoughts expressed in two stages, the setup and punch line (or “a question” and “a surprise answer”). This structure ensures that jokes as a method of communication are always on some level “incomplete,” which means that by definition they can’t really challenge or change anything, and are therefore more conservative than progressive — reinforcing what we already believe rather than entertaining new information or unfamiliar philosophies.

Stories, on the other hand, have additional stages, or beats, plus layers, ellipses, and more.

What an insight! She’s discovered that “Take my wife — please!” and the 800 pages of Anna Karenina have different strengths and weaknesses in terms of the profundity of their insights into heterosexual marriage. In fact, some might go so far as to say that, all in all, Leo Tolstoy is greater than Henny Youngman. But that sounds pre-postmodern, so forget I ever said that.

She wonders if participating in stand-up comedy as it’s usually defined (by men) is just enshrining negative emotions and reactionary thoughts. Here, again, she’s not so much rejecting an element in the basic toolkit — all stories employ tension to keep us excited or interested — as highlighting how it’s used to propagate ideas that don’t do people like her any favors. “Taking a joke,” from her perspective, is a nonphysical equivalent of taking a punch. The object of the joke is proving that she can withstand pain by laughing. This in turn reassures the joke-teller that it’s okay to say something that’s wounding, that punches down, that reminds particular groups of what society has decided is “their place.” This is how ideology reproduces itself.

To illustrate this idea, Gadsby tells a joke that both she and the audience agree is amusing: “What sort of comedian can’t even make the lesbians laugh? Every comedian ever.” When the room dies down, Gadsby describes that joke as “bulletproof” because it’s constructed in such a way that its target audience — lesbians — are all but required to laugh at it, in order to prove they aren’t humorless. Of course, that’s the entire point of telling that sort of joke: to get everyone to laugh together at the fact that lesbians are sourpusses who can’t take a joke. “We’ve got to laugh because if we don’t laugh, it proves the point,” she says.

Joan Rivers would insist that gay men in her audience sit in the front row because they always thought everything she said was hilarious, while lesbians should be banished to the back row of her audiences because they never laughed.

We did laugh, though; Gadsby encouraged us and gave us permission. But thanks to her follow-up, which takes the joke apart like a sculptor dissembling an armature, we also understand the hidden intent of its construction. Which means next time, the laughter sticks in the throat.

In other words, humor should only be viewed in terms of “Who? Whom?”

 

 
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  1. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    Hannah Gadsby Represents Its Future.

    via

    an explanation of why she’s quitting comedy

    So the future of comedy is nonexistence?

    Heavy, dude.

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  2. Tulip says:

    I wonder how long before someone dies when their bladder bursts because they can’t stop “laughing” during Commissar Gadsby’s Comedy sketch.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @Father O'Hara
  3. Clyde says:

    Hannah Gadsby is lesbian, I warn you not to check out her google images. She is in Wikipedia for more useless information.

  4. a student of visual art history who scrutinized Western art painted mainly by straight white men that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.”

    I’ve studied Art History, truly one of the most valuable subjects in the humanities. Some of the most intelligent aesthetes have in Western history have put thousands of hours into analysing things like ‘The Burial of Count Orgaz,’ ‘Primavera’ or ‘The Third of May 1908.’ They have used philosophy, they have used geometric and mathematical techniques, they have applied the objective principles of composition as understood from centuries of close study… but to this dumb slag that all adds up to ‘reputation.’ Wow, just wow.

    By the way, Sailer, a Bard College adjunct professor of Deconstruction Studies sounds hysterical, hold the lecture somewhere that serves drinks and I’m there.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Prof
    , @silviosilver
  5. The Z Blog says: • Website

    In a theocracy, there is no comedy.

    • Agree: BB753, julius caesar
    • Replies: @el topo
  6. Jeezus, Steve, how can you stand to slog through that tedious, jargon-laden bullshit?

    Anyway, I’m reminded of a joke I heard decades ago in college (Bard, actually):

    How many Yale girls does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Women! And that’s not funny!

  7. She isn’t remotely funny. The problem with deconstruction, diversity, inclusion bullshit is that it is mediocre, vapid, and appeals only to deformed humanities professors.

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
  8. What total nonsense. Can we please just have a peaceful separation of the USA into multiple regions? There is no sensible reason that I should have to live in a nation filled with people that I have nothing in common with and who loathe me and my beliefs.

    It is clear that the elites hate us cracker dirt people. What is the argument against just going our separate ways?

  9. Nathan says:

    My god. And I thought the John Oliver anti-comedians were bad. I guess the future of comedy is a Maoist struggle session, in which you’re publicly humiliated for showing up.

  10. El Dato says:

    delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self

    But nowadays if you haven’t had your period of blue-haired muffdiving by the age of 18, and possibly watched a documentary about how Putin suppresses gay love, you are so not au fait. There is no “authentic self” in any particular way. It’s tired and mainstream. It’s FUCKING BORING.

    We did laugh, though; Gadsby encouraged us and gave us permission.

    Thanks Madame Commissar.

    Maybe there will be spanking afterwards?

  11. bomag says:

    The piece is funny in an unintended way.

    …suppression of her personality to please both the dominant, straight male–driven culture, and lesbians…

    Reminds me of the Cosby riff where the guy wanting to express more of his personality is probably an a$$hole.

  12. syonredux says:

    Last weekend, as Hannah Gadsby’s Netflix phenomenon Nanette continued to rack up impassioned reviews and think pieces, Bill Maher aired a new HBO special, Live From Oklahoma. If you watch them back-to-back, they seem to be in conversation, or debate. They have core subjects in common, including the cultural and political status of the cisgender straight man in the era of Donald Trump and #MeToo. But just as importantly, they represent comedy’s past and its future. Maher is the past. Gadsby is the future.

    This article has done the impossible; it has made me feel sympathy for the odious Bill Maher….

    The Tasmanian comic’s Nanette, which shifts from a typical, joke-driven stand-up special into an explanation of why she’s quitting comedy, delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self, and as a student of visual art history who scrutinized Western art painted mainly by straight white men that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.”

    Yeah, guys like Caravaggio are just coasting on White Male Privilege……

    “Taking a joke,” from her perspective, is a nonphysical equivalent of taking a punch. The object of the joke is proving that she can withstand pain by laughing. This in turn reassures the joke-teller that it’s okay to say something that’s wounding, that punches down, that reminds particular groups of what society has decided is “their place.” This is how ideology reproduces itself.

    Whereas SJW culture promotes the ideology of maximum fragility, the inability to endure even the most micro of micro-aggressions…..

  13. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    yes, you fucking idiots, it IS like taking a punch. that’s where the construction, “take a joke” comes from.

    it’s a sign of character to take with grace the slings, arrows and jokes aimed at you–thats the whole point.

    if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs.

    • Replies: @megabar
  14. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I was going to answer “Weight-lifting,” and then I remembered that man/woman who won the women’s New Zealand national championship last year.

  15. …delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self,..

    Do these woke girls ever talk about anything other than themselves?

  16. “If you look at what both performers have served up as examples of their personal best,
    it’s hard not to be embarrassed for Maher…”

    Off to a good start there, Matt, old buddy. You can’t argue with being embarrassed for Maher to failure to bring the funny.

    “…Jokes, she says, are incomplete thoughts expressed in two stages, the setup and punch line (or “a question” and “a surprise answer”)…”

    Whoa! There is a real deep insight there, Hannah. You are a regular Schopenhauer.

    “…What sort of comedian can’t even make the lesbians laugh? Every comedian ever…”

    Wow. That is a real knee-slapper.

    How about this classic?

    Q: How many lesbians does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

  17. Me says:

    I watched Nanette the other day because she looked like a ‘decent’ lesbian and I was curious if she was a nice person

    She’s a nice person, but there wasn’t anything especially insightful or comic about her

    She’s no great comedian

    • Disagree: Cloudbuster
  18. njguy73 says:

    I believe there seems to be some confusion between the art forms of “stand-up comedy” and “monologuing.” The former is entertainment; the latter is art. Hannah Gadsby is closer to Spalding Gray than she is to anyone who has ever been considered for the Mark Twain Prize.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
  19. @syonredux

    Yeah, guys like Caravaggio are just coasting on White Male Privilege……

    Heheh…especially “straight”…

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
  20. Dr. Doom says:

    We in the dying press believe that Bill Maher is outdated and probably racist due to his Whititudinal Past. He is now being replaced on the stage with a Tasmanian Homosexual. Tasmanian Homosexuals are more in tune with the tone deaf provincials that see reality from a stuck up perspective of the jet set. Y’all look like ants from here.

    The Onion is now filing for Bankruptcy.

  21. I view with suspicion anything written by someone with three names. I just know I’m gonna get a lecture.

  22. OT but The Good Place is currently the only TV comedy worth watching.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    , @Dale
  23. Jungy Joe says:

    Whereas SJW culture promotes the ideology of maximum fragility, the inability to endure even the most micro of micro-aggressions…..

    Without suffering, the sense of gratitude is impossible, humility is impossible, and happiness is an abstraction. The complaint of “micro-aggression” is the same complaint a heroin addict has of the increasing outside “noise” that begins interfering with his high, as the drug wears off. To live in that state as a constant, is to live in Hell.

    I forced myself to wade through that barely manageable morass of unselfconscious neurosis. At the end of my suffering, I felt a wave of gratitude that I was not this hopelessly lost, terrifically broken person, as well as compassion: there are more people with far worse lives than those you see begging for coins on the street. Some of them try to write opinion pieces about a subject they know nothing about, and couldn’t do themselves if you put a loaded dildo to to their head. So they project their hell, and flatter themselves on their “progressive” manifest.

    The author is worthy of our pity.

  24. I haven’t laughed this hard since I listened to Terry Gross interview Tig Notaro.*

    *Whom I was convinced was named “Tigno Taro”, until I looked her up online.

  25. “Dissembling an armature”.

    These people. Oh, these people.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @ThreeCranes
  26. @Nathan

    Nah, the future of comedy is a lesbian wearing a combat boot stamping on a human face, forever.

    • LOL: Nathan, Clyde, TheBoom
    • Replies: @Nathan
    , @Dale
  27. @Anon

    In the future, comedy will be like the North Korean socio-political ideology known as Juche ie., you won’t be permitted to discuss it unless you have several advanced degrees in philosophy.

  28. Lefty says:

    I clicked it on just a few minutes ago and watched the first ten minutes or so. It’s just kind of “meh”, not boring exactly, but not comic genius either. She seems nice enough though.

  29. Comedy suffers from the fact that much of what is presented today as comedy is political commentary with a snarky attitude. “I’m funny because I’m mocking the other side.” Bill Maher and John Oliver are neither comedians nor funny. Will Rodgers would not have liked either and that is saying a lot.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  30. Hannah Gadsby should be giving earnest TED talks, not pretending to be a comedian.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    , @Alfa158
  31. Sabril says:

    I just watched a clip of this person, she’s not that funny even in the traditional refuge of female comics. — discussing her sexuality.

    Is there any woman who can do traditional observational stand up comedy?

  32. She is about as funny as her face. Banish that Tasmanian Devil back to whence she came. Ha ha!

  33. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Bard College and Antioch College to appear in update of Monty Python philosopher soccer game skit.

  34. Nathan says:

    See, this is why a few threads ago I described Norm Macdonald as the greatest living comedian. This chick seems to be TALKING about deconstructing comedy by awkwardly describing why her jokes are or aren’t funny and whether or not you’re allowed to laugh at them. Norm Macdonald, on the other hand, tells jokes that are about subjects that may or may not be intrinsically funny, and relies on you the audience member and your understanding of what comedy is and how it works to pick up on the timing and the cadences and vocabulary of the joke to really get it. It’s one thing to self-consciously talk about “deconstructing comedy,” it’s quite another to actually do it on the fly while respecting your audience enough to get what you’re doing.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Pericles
  35. Pshh. Come on Steve, everyone knows the only valid art form is autoethnography.

  36. @Dave from Oz

    I don’t understand the appeal of TED Talks. I mean, sure, Ted Knight was a pretty cool actor, but how much is there really to say on that topic?

  37. OT, but iStevey.

    We Work: YOU WILL EAT YOUR VEGETABLES!
    Employee: Yes, mother.

    WeWork is very WeWoke.

    https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/13/technology/wework-meat-ban/index.html

    These people are insufferable.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  38. @Almost Missouri

    Yo Hannah, make me a f#ckin sandwich.

  39. Speaking of Joan Rivers, she once did a bit about Anne Frank. Rivers criticized Frank as an author because

    [MORE]
    not only did she write only one book, but it didn’t even have an ending.

    Now THAT’S funny

  40. @Clyde

    I keep getting promised lesbians like this:

    But I keep getting lesbians that look like this:

    • Replies: @Bartleby the Scrivner
  41. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Your misuse of quoting tags is not funny.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  42. @syonredux

    Caravaggio became unemployable in Rome because he went against the grain and painted… feet. Everyone knows you can’t paint peasant feet in the same picture as the Virgin Mary! Counter Reformation Italy and its virtue signaling in a lot of ways rhymes with current SJW hysteria. Different act, same Opera.

    Caravaggio himself had a tendency to revenge microaggressions with violence.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  43. Danindc says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Kristen Bell and the guy that did brooklyn nine nine. No chance that’s funny.

    There are no good sitcoms on tv. The last funny show was always sunny but that got bad. 1st two season of last man on earth weren’t bad.

    Colin Quinn weeps at what they call stand up comedy now.

    Even the supposed insult comics are SJW p#ssies. Try following Anthony Jeselneck on Twitter. Total queer.

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
  44. Lot says:
    @syonredux

    “The odious Bill Maher”

    - Syon, Berkeley SJWs, and Muslims

    Nobody is more valuable in pushing back and legitimizing pushback on Islamification among the large number of nonpolitical coastals.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @vinteuil
  45. syonredux says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yeah, guys like Caravaggio are just coasting on White Male Privilege……

    Heheh…especially “straight”…

    Indeed. Reminds me of an SJW contest that was in circulation some years back, where people were only supposed to read books written by the “oppressed”: Blacks, LGBTQs, Latinx, etc. Several clever clogs responded to the challenge with enthusiasm, announcing that they would cheerfully only read books by subaltern homosexual authors like Francis Bacon, Christopher Marlowe, Plato, Willa Cather, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, WH Auden, Henry James, …..

  46. syonredux says:
    @Lot

    “The odious Bill Maher”

    - Syon, Berkeley SJWs, and Muslims

    Nobody is more valuable in pushing back and legitimizing pushback on Islamification among the large number of nonpolitical coastals.

    Even when I agree with Bill Maher, I still want to punch him in the face……

  47. Ibound1 says:

    The “future of comedy” is humorless, the “future of art” is hideous, the “future of music” is discordant, the “future of democracy” is PC totalitarianism.
    The future ain’t what it used to be.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  48. I get the feeling that a lot of people here are glad that there are fewer young Jews in America.

    Well… HA! Enjoy your newfound comedy genii.

    No more Borscht Belt. No more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSabiG8q8-k

    Instead:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithton,_Tasmania

  49. I was wondering why I read the article at all, then at the end:

    This might sound daunting. Maybe it is, if you’re Maher. But it’s ultimately no more unfair than expecting white athletes to work harder to claim a spot on professional teams after their sports were integrated.

  50. Anon7 says:

    Be thankful that we were able to elect Donald Trump President. Before Khrushchev, 250,000 people were in prison for the crime of telling jokes (Khrushchev freed them).

    You never hear any good jokes from the Leftist media. You must go to the people under communism!

    Try these jokes from the CCCP declassified by the CIA:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP89G00720R000800040003-6.pdf

    • Replies: @Pat Shuff
  51. …a Bard College adjunct professor of Deconstruction Studies lecturing on the politics of laughter.

    Bard College did give us Steely Dan, who in turn gave us Haitian Divorce, which is more funny than “woke”.

    • Replies: @Elf Himself
  52. @Cloudbuster

    Ron’s code did that, not me.

    The tweet’s text was auto-boxed with everything else stripped.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  53. In other words, humor should only be viewed in terms of “Who? Whom?”

    Were Swift working today, his verbose horses would have been Whowhomyms.

    And Marisa Meyer would be CEO of Houyhnhnm.com

  54. @Wilbur Hassenfus

    “Dissembling an armature”.

    These people. Oh, these people.

    Armature the funny one.

  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    I watched the first 5 minutes of Bill Maher’s special. Like this Tasmanian woman, he has apparently abandoned comedy too. It was basically him alternating between a terrible impression of Trump and calling Trump a “whiny little bitch”, which seems like projection.

  56. tyrone says:
    @Tulip

    Maybe it’s more dangerous to be the one not laughing.

  57. @Clyde

    I warn you not to check out her google images.

    All Google showed me was pictures of some angry looking dude.

  58. Steve Sailer on Unz.com right now is complaining about the lack of funny comedians these days. Oh if only things were like in the old days.

    But Steve Sailer on twitter right now is complaining about the actually funny comedians in the old days and how terrible they were: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1018641166277869569

    Apparently comedy is never any good.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Yokam
  59. TheJester says:
    @syonredux

    Whereas SJW culture promotes the ideology of maximum fragility, the inability to endure even the most micro of micro-aggressions …

    Thank you, I like this. Is this another manifestation of the crass feminization of American culture and Western Civilization … the ideology of maximum fragility? Is this where systemic and universal victimization begins and ends as the definitive statement about the culture?

    Given its predictable consequences, will any civilization experiment with “equal rights for women” again?

    “Veni. Vidi. Vici …” universally replaced by “Veni. Vidi. Pertulit ad me,” as the sum and substance of a people.

    [ I came. I saw. I conquered! ] ……………….. [ I came. I saw. They victimized me! ]

  60. Achilles says:

    O/T from today’s Washington Post:

    #MeToo goes to Jewish summer camp

    When Reilly met Melanie, they were 13-year-olds at summer camp who spent the long walk from archery to their bunks talking every day. Reilly wanted to ask Melanie to an end-of-camp dance — but his friend went ahead and asked Melanie on his behalf, before he could get up the nerve to ask her himself.

    That was that. Now they’re 16, and the teenagers’ summer fling is still going strong in a fourth summer together as boyfriend and girlfriend at Capital Camps, a Jewish camp just over the Maryland-Pennsylvania border.

    Their youthful love story is just the sort of Jewish relationship many parents hope their children will find when they send them to Jewish camps.

    The Foundation for Jewish Camp, with its motto “Jewish summers, Jewish futures,” promotes research showing that camp leads to more religiously engaged adults. Compared with demographically similar Jewish peers, adults who grew up going to camp are measurably more likely to attend synagogues, celebrate Shabbat and holidays in their homes and donate to Jewish charities.

    Another statistic the foundation touts: Jews who attended camp as children were found to be significantly more likely to marry other Jews.

    In a 2010 study, 74 percent of former campers were in Jewish marriages, at a time when such marriages have been becoming much less common.

    * * *

    But even if the camps don’t promote dating Jewishly as an institutional value anymore, the topic comes up among the teens. At Capital Camps, 15-year-old Avi, while talking with Emme by the stream near their tents, says: “I’m not going to marry out of that, lose that identity. There’s a sense, I guess, that it’s a community. You want to stay within it.”

    Emme agrees, thinking way ahead: “I want Jewish grandkids, Jewish kids.”

    Once again, one must congratulate the Jews on their verbal skills.

    They captured in four words what it takes white nationalists fourteen to say!

    BTW, here’s the punchline for how Jewish summer camps are trying to avoid #MeToo incidents (for some reason this appears only in the print version, not the online version):

    Abby, a 15-year-old camper from the District, reflects on her one camp fling: “I wouldn’t call it a relationship,” she says with an amused little snort. “Hookup, maybe, I guess.”

    Then she defines a camp “hookup,” and why a hookup never involves any sexual touching below the waist, which is banned at Capital Camps

  61. OT: HRC continues her slide into madness: http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-starts-speech-im-so-tired-i-can-barely-stand/

    I think she missed the “No whining” lesson in kindergarten.

  62. JimB says:

    What exactly is it that Matt Zoller Seitz does that he deserves to eat?

  63. If you have to explain a joke, it’s not funny. But if you explain it for an hour and 10 minutes, you get ‘think pieces.’ This clappy humor stuff is closer to group therapy.

    Politics is show business for ugly people, but I guess now stand-up is show business for ugly people who don’t like jokes.

  64. JimB says:

    Lately I’ve been watching the Danny Thomas show on Amazon Prime. Danny Thomas is actually pretty funny.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  65. 1/ I’m given to believe that Ellen DeGeneres has a career.

    2/ How much is this a generational thing? Young people in the ’60′s didn’t think much of old comedians like Jerry Lewis and Bob Hope (and those Dean Martin roasts…). And older people of the time didn’t like the language young comics were using.

  66. Tiny Duck says:

    The problem is that white men have too much self esteem because the world is centered around them

    http://www.vulture.com/2018/02/children-of-blood-and-bone-book-trailer-tomi-adeyemi-interview.html

    We’ve been told the same story for so long. We’ve seen literally 1,000 Lord of the Rings movies. I keep thinking about what it would have been like if I had seen this growing up — if I’d seen someone even darker than me, someone who doesn’t have straight fantasy hair, but a curly magical afro

    You don’t realize what’s missing until you see it. And then once you do, you’re like, why do I feel like I could lift a car right now? So this is why white men feel so great all the time.

  67. Matthew Zoller Seitz spills a bunch of ink over what brand of comedy is acceptable for the goyim in 2018. We are but observers in the debate, destined to obey our cultural superiors. Are we allowed to laugh at the occasionally funny Maher, who notices un-PC things, with the implicit admission that the end of history will continue until we are all one global society? Or shall we suffer through Hannah Gadsby on our way to a humorless grave?

  68. When looking at Hannah Gadsby’s Google images, she is always angry looking, never cracking a smile. I wondered, how about old time stand up guys?

    Richard Pryor -most of his pictures had him smiling.
    Eddie Murphy- Smiles
    Steve Martin- Smiles
    George Carlin-Smiles
    Dennis Miller-Smiles
    “angry comedian” Denis Leary-Smiles
    Redd Foxx-some genuine smiles along with his “character shots”

    Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield didn’t seem to smile much, but they were both rather odd looking.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    , @ScarletNumber
  69. @Tiny Duck

    Feeling like you can lift a car is not the same as being able to lift a car.

  70. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:

    The self-centered self-righteous moralism of the Great Awakening lives on in “socially conscious entertainment” endorsed not for entertaining anyone but instead for steadfastly preaching the latest-model progressive sermons at the heathen. The Daily Show is just church for liberals…

  71. Bud White says:

    ~~ She’s discovered that “Take my wife — please!” and the 800 pages of Anna Karenina have different strengths and weaknesses in terms of the profundity of their insights into heterosexual marriage.

    I’ve been reading you for years, Steve Sailer, and that’s gotta be one the funniest lines you’ve ever written. I nearly aspirated my dinner.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  72. Jake says:
    @syonredux

    SJW culture promotes a sense of eternal grievance, and only the foolishly naive think it is not working to turn that sense of perpetual grievance into blood-letting. They are not too soft to endure the world. They are getting their hate to a pitch to justify a revolution.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  73. Why do lesbians die before their wives?

    Because they want to.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  74. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    There was an article about this woman in the New Yorker a few weeks ago. She sounds like a real piece of work:

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-comedian-forcing-stand-up-to-confront-the-metoo-era

    In “Nanette,” Gadsby subverts this technique to devastating effect, returning to the story of the man who threatened her for flirting with his girlfriend outside a pub, only to back off when he realizes that she was a woman. When the story ends there, it’s funny—it’s a joke about the man’s ignorance. But the second time Gadsby recounts this, she tells us that the man in fact came back to her after he walked away, realizing his mistake. “I get it. You’re a lady faggot,” he told her. “I’m allowed to beat the shit out of you.” And he did. No one stopped the man from beating her, she says. She never reported the attack to the police, and, even though she was injured, she never took herself to the hospital. Recounting this, Gadsby’s eyes redden; her voice is loud and breaking. She points one hand emphatically outward, as if implicating the whole world in failing to protect her.

    Which brings me to an idea: an end-of-the-year award for the most over-the-top, convoluted, totally implausible, utterly bogus “hate crime” story reported credulously and without skepticism by the media. We could call it the “Stevie.”

  75. Matt Zoller Seitz: “Hannah Gadsby’s Netflix phenomenon Nanette continued to rack up impassioned reviews and think pieces.”

    English translation: Nobody thinks she’s funny.

    And she explains her jokes.

    Who writes “impassioned reviews and think pieces” about a comedian?

    Gadbsy has an incredible range of topics, from 1. Homosexuality; to 2. Homosexuality; to 3. Homosexuality.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  76. Prof says:
    @Roderick Spode

    I do not want to be a stickler, but it seems you have a typo: Do you mean the “Third of May 1808″ by F. Goya? Although I studied mathematics – it was one of the paintings which impressed me most.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  77. @Tiny Duck

    “The problem is that white black men have too much self esteem because the world is centered around them.”

    Fixed that for ya.

  78. “What sort of comedian can’t even make the lesbians laugh? Every comedian ever.”

    The wording of the joke is just stupid.

    Putting “even” in there implies that lesbians are the easiest people to make laugh. Even lesbians don’t believe that.

    What a cretin.

    If she wanted to make it work, she’d say something like, “What sort of comedian can’t manage to make the lesbians laugh? Every comedian ever.”

    It wouldn’t be funny, but it wouldn’t be stupid either.

  79. syonredux says:
    @JimB

    Bob Newhart’s pretty great:

  80. So, now we have to analyze comedy in terms of sexual orientation? Thank God [although there really isn't any!] that I’m already 65 and won’t live to see that trend reach its absurd conclusion! Bring back the Marx Bros. and the Three Stooges! “Why a duck?” has morphed into “Why a dyke?”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  81. @Prof

    Yes, 1808 of course. Not my first typo here and not likely to be my last. Thanks

  82. Hhsiii says:

    Matt’s a pretty good movie reviewer. I think I read him first about 30 years ago in a North Carolina independent. This is a bit jargon heavy, admittedly.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  83. Alfa158 says:
    @Dave from Oz

    Same thing. I’ve attended TED talks, and watch them online because they are brilliant bits of unintentional comedy. The only thing is to make sure to keep a straight face if you are at one live. Paradoxically the best humor is sometimes attended by people with no sense of humor at all, and guffawing in the middle of some earnest bit of blather is going to get you eyeball lynched.
    They fit within my rule of thumb I call the Martha Graham modern dance effect. If what you are doing is indistinguishable from a parody of itself, then you need to stop doing it.

    • LOL: utu
  84. Mr. Anon says:

    “We’ve got to laugh because if we don’t laugh, it proves the point,” she says.

    It is your duty to laugh, comrade.

  85. Mr. Anon says:
    @VivaLaMigra

    Bring back the Marx Bros. and the Three Stooges! “Why a duck?” has morphed into “Why a dyke?”

    I don’t know Whyanodyke. I’m a stranger here myself.

  86. Alfa158 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Another copy and paste. Still, I suppose it serves the purpose as a parody of the leftist POC.

  87. Newhart: “I’m half German and half Irish. That makes me a very fastidious drunk.”

    You had to be there.

  88. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tiny Duck

    We’ve been told the same story for so long. We’ve seen literally 1,000 Lord of the Rings movies.

    I know that sitting through Peter Jackson’s magnum opus felt like that – but still – I’m pretty sure it was just a few.

  89. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    What is the argument against just going our separate ways?

    They would not make it three days without the work of the people they despise, and many would not even make it one day. Yet they pine for our extinction.

    They are stupid. The interesting question is, “Why do stupid people have pride of place in our society?”

  90. @Nathan

    I guess the future of comedy is a Maoist struggle session, in which you’re publicly humiliated for showing up.

    Don’t show up.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  91. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tiny Duck

    And then once you do, you’re like, why do I feel like I could lift a car right now?

    You black guys…………….always stealing cars.

  92. @Me

    She’s a nice person

    Disagree.

    • Replies: @Me
  93. @Jim Don Bob

    I view with suspicion anything written by someone with three names. I just know I’m gonna get a lecture.

    Just because you are a hypocrite doesn’t mean you are wrong.

  94. George says:

    Xe reminds me of SNL androgynous character Pat. Actually xe looks like a large Pat.

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/its-pat-birthday-party/n10112

    Pat is an androgynous fictional character[1] created and performed by Julia Sweeney for the American sketch comedy show Saturday Night Live,[2] and later featured in the film It’s Pat. The characters looks were taken from a picture of a Matthew Lane found in a men’s truck stop bathroom. The central humorous aspect of sketches featuring Pat is the inability of others to determine the character’s gender much like the photo once found. Pat was revealed to be a woman by Norm MacDonald[3] during an appearance on CONAN on 17 November 2016.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live)

  95. @Lefty

    She seems nice enough though.

    You Leftists are all either spergs, tards or boneheads. If you would just start a pity page we would finance your emigration to the socialist paradise of your choice: Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba or China.

    Socialism: religion for the (very) stupid ™.

  96. njguy73 says:
    @Ibound1

    The “future of comedy” is humorless, the “future of art” is hideous, the “future of music” is discordant, the “future of democracy” is PC totalitarianism.
    The future ain’t what it used to be.

    The old joke will become reality. The future will, in fact, be cancelled due to lack of interest.

  97. @syonredux

    Even when I agree with Bill Maher, I still want to punch him in the face……

    Agree.

  98. Kylie says:

    This woman is intentionally funny.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  99. @Tulip

    The future of comedy my black ass. She’s the future of what’s funny like she’s the future of what’s sexy.
    Can you imagine hordes of teenage Hispanics going to the movies to see her concert film?
    “Jose that movie was soooo funny!”
    ” Si Maria,the explanation of how lesbians are ‘othered ‘ by cis white male humor was worth the price of the tickets! ”
    “,But Jose,we snuck in. “

  100. njguy73 says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Steven Wright was funnier on any random night in 1987 than Hannah Gadsby has been collectively over her life. And that guy had a face frozen in amber.

  101. megabar says:
    @Anonymous

    > it’s a sign of character to take with grace the slings, arrows and jokes aimed at you–thats the whole point.

    I agree with this.

    However, just for the sake of completeness, it’s a bit more nuanced. There is a difference between jokes that are good-natured and jokes that are cruel. I don’t expect anyone to laugh at the latter, and indeed it can be a sign of weakness to laugh them off after a point.

    Furthermore, even good-natured jokes can get old if they are constant. For example, Blonde jokes are good-natured. But if you were the only blonde in an office and were constantly subjected to Blonde jokes (esp. if from people you don’t particularly like), after a while they’d get old.

    Humans are strange, nuanced creatures.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Brutusale
  102. njguy73 says:
    @Anonymous

    We could call it the “Stevie.”

    No, it would the Tawana Trophy. She’s the Cy Young and the Georges Vezina and hate-crime hoax-pullers.

  103. @Wilbur Hassenfus

    Just so. But it sounds like it should mean something and most of her readers wouldn’t know the difference.

    And just how is [revealing] the armature supposed to disclose the hidden intent of the sculptor’s construction?

  104. @Bud White

    Agree. Steve’s column + many of the comments = many laughs. Bless you, everyone, for being whip smart.

  105. @Almost Missouri

    Jay-sus, is there anything these people can’t ruin?

    Hang on, if you stop and think about it, it makes perfect sense: if art doesn’t have to be beautiful, then why should humor have to be funny, hmm?

  106. @Roderick Spode

    By the way, Sailer, a Bard College adjunct professor of Deconstruction Studies sounds hysterical, hold the lecture somewhere that serves drinks and I’m there.

    We’ll know we’ve made progress the day some enterprising university inaugurates a chair of Studies Studies.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  107. @Kylie

    Allegedly, comedy. She’s become something of a meme:

    ‘Dad’s Google History’ And Why Trolls Hate it

    Too many men on the internet can’t be trusted to judge female comedians.

  108. @Hhsiii

    Matt’s a pretty good movie reviewer. I think I read him first about 30 years ago in a North Carolina independent. This is a bit jargon heavy, admittedly.

    Yeah, I like his reviews too. I wonder if he puked or performed some ritual cleanse after penning that piece. I mean, money’s not everything, right?

  109. ‘Nanette’ Is the Most Discussed Comedy Special in Ages. Here’s What to Read About It.

    This will be painful.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/arts/television/nanette-hannah-gadsby-netflix-roundup.html

  110. Yokam says:
    @anony-mouse

    “”Steve Sailer on Unz.com right now is complaining about the lack of funny comedians these days. Oh if only things were like in the old days.

    But Steve Sailer on twitter right now is complaining about the actually funny comedians in the old days and how terrible they were: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1018641166277869569″

    Apparently comedy is never any good”

    The tweet you cite was Steve remarking on the origin of Polish Jokes. Why would you cheat an isteve reader so?

    You should refrain from embodying the old Jewish stereotype of being “the writer of bad checks.”

    It will just make the goyim not miss you, as you fade into the void of assimilation.

  111. On strength of this I checked out some old YouTube material of hers, trailers for her Netflix thing and some other stuff. I can easily see why she’s this week’s favorite flavor among our perennially preachy and hive-bound. But I’ve always preferred that comedians be funny.

  112. @Father O'Hara

    I have to note that she claims to have been raped,and at a later date viciously beaten by men.
    Now, is your Spidey Sense tingling?
    Assuming her story is true,she lived in Tasmania.
    Who would rape her like that? Just wondering…

  113. @Kylie

    I like dark comedy, but that’s way too dark. :)

    • LOL: Kylie
  114. @njguy73

    Listening to some old Lenny Bruce bits, I noticed he sounds like he’s been teleported from having a late-night college dorm conversation with his roommate and hasn’t quite caught on to the fact that he’s now speaking in front of an audience expecting to be entertained. There’s some levity mixed in with the neurotic ramblings and there are things to chuckle at now and then, but only after a long diversion into social theorizing does he transition from rant-mode back to making what an ordinary human being would recognize as jokes.

    It feels like modern comedy is returning to that now. The difference is that now you’re supposed to pretend the jokeless rants are filled with absolute gutbusters just because they flatter the audience’s sense of wokeness.

    Funny that Bruce was occasionally jailed for obscenity and is held up as a sort of martyr for it, but if he were around today he would be pilloried for entirely different reasons.

  115. Sandra Bernhard was an entertaining lesbian comedian. She was hyper political, but still funny.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  116. Christopher Hitchens stated, for the record, the ages-old conventional wisdom on this subject before he passed on.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2007/01/hitchens200701

  117. TheBoom says:

    Gatsby probably does represent the future of permissible comedy. After all, isn’t the ultimate in woke comedy “Gadsby tells a joke that both she and the audience agree is amusing.”

    Imagine how evil you have to be to want comedy to be funny. Funny comedy requires funny comedians which isn’t inclusive of non funny comedians like Gatsby.

    So, amusing trumps funny as applause trumps laughter.

    I just suggest that our woke comedians follow chairman Stalin’s lead and offer a way for the audience to safely stop applauding

  118. BenKenobi says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Here’s a much better comedian on Arsenio, one of several appearances:

  119. @Achilles

    a hookup never involves any sexual touching below the waist, which is banned at Capital Camps

    Jewish girls tend to be well-developed, so that’s a pretty big loophole.

  120. @Clyde

    Just googled her. Pretty much what you’d expect.

  121. @Chris Mallory

    Considering Rodney discovered Sam, that’s an astute observation.

  122. @julius caesar

    Oh I’m sure there are dozens, maybe even hundreds, of lesbian English lit professors out there who think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

  123. @WowJustWow

    Lenny Bruce is someone whose reputation was saved by dying young. Although his line about Vaughn Meader on November 22, 1963, was not only brilliant, but prescient.

    To further prove my point, consider Mort Sahl. Sahl was Bruce’s contemporary, but he hasn’t done anything noteworthy in 50 years, even though he is still alive. Therefore, he is mostly forgotten about.

  124. Bill Maher is pretty funny. His political commentary is often fairly good. He’s not as good as he used to be, but he’s still worth watching sometimes.

  125. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yeah, Caravaggio was such a eccentric guy. His favorite painting themes was effeminate boys in provocative pose and decapitations:

  126. @Clyde

    I should have listened to you. Some things can not be unseen.

    I find it odd that she seems to hate men and yet tries to look like one.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a great comedy on Netflix, The Windsors. It’s a satire about the royal family. Great show. I’m sure it’s better than a lesbian talking about herself.

  128. @njguy73

    Steven Wright had a small role in Louis CK’s recent TV show and he was the funniest guy on screen.

  129. Me says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Nice is different than good.

    Big problem with people nowadays…they can’t distinguish between a nice person and a good person.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Harry Baldwin
  130. Pericles says:
    @Paul Yarbles

    It sure is a firm signal to move on to the next company for solving my problems*. Great opportunities for trolling though. “Because of the role of carbon dioxide in climate change, WeWork will no longer permit its employees to drink carbonated beverages, including beer and sparkling water.” I should get a job in HR.

    * But nowadays it might be enough to learn that this outfit is based in SV or funded by VC; throw them back in the pond, they don’t want your deplorable business and you don’t want theirs.

  131. AKAHorace says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Seitz can’t be serious writing this crap. It is clearly a send up.

    No one could be this unintentionally funny.

  132. Pericles says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    By Jove, he’s found the comedy nadir.

  133. OT: Scarlet Johansson has withdrawn from the new movie about trans personas, ‘Rub & Tug.’

    Per Variatus Magazine, Rub & Tug is a buddy road picture directed by Ridley Scott about two people who leave their redneck small town behind, people who might want an abortion at some point, but Bret Kavanaugh won’t let they.

    Along the way they meet Tootsie(Dustin Hoffman), an aging actress typecast as a short, jittery Jewish man but who secretly yearns to replace the Rock in the next installment of ‘Hercules,’ and Lola(Chiwetel Ejiofor) a saucy, 6’5 cobbler who specializes in size 15 red patent leather spike-heeled thigh high boots.

    At the end Tug(who was to have been played by Ms.Johansson) drives the two of they into the Grand Canyon because they never learned to drive a 1965 T-Bird’s stick shift, and Rub(Jared Leto), well zhir never learned to drive at all.

  134. Pericles says:
    @Alfa158

    They fit within my rule of thumb I call the Martha Graham modern dance effect. If what you are doing is indistinguishable from a parody of itself, then you need to stop doing it.

    You do have a pointe.

  135. sabril says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s interesting that even lesbians assume that the men they despise are still obligated to act as their unpaid volunteer protection force.

  136. sabril says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I doubt it would work. How would things turn out if people like Bill Clinton stayed in Little Rock instead of moving to places like New York and Washington?

    See, the problem is that there is some percentage of people who try to get ahead in life by moral posturing, virtue-signalling, moral entrepreneurship, and so on. These are the elites you complain about it (and I agree that they are terrible, evil, disgusting people). But they are are everywhere, and in fact just about everyone has some tendencies along these lines.

    So partitioning the United States wouldn’t fix the problem. Here’s a quote I like:

    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart

  137. donut says:
    @syonredux

    Now that would be funny .

  138. vinteuil says:
    @syonredux

    The Cappella Contarelli must hold the all time record for so much greatness in such a small space.

  139. >>>>that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.”

    Isn’t their “reputation” simply reflective of the fact that most people look at it and agree that it is a masterpiece? Much of what passes as incisive commentary or criticism is just plain old resentment.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  140. vinteuil says:
    @a boy and his dog

    Caravaggio became unemployable in Rome because he went against the grain and painted… feet. Everyone knows you can’t paint peasant feet in the same picture as the Virgin Mary!

    Well, it wasn’t just feet, but bare feet – and it wasn’t just bare feet, but the bare feet of The Virgin herself.

    The Madonna di Loreto is about a five minute walk from the Cappela Contarelli, and much less frequented.

  141. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    Nobody is more valuable in pushing back and legitimizing pushback on Islamification among the large number of nonpolitical coastals.

    Well, possibly. But Bill Maher is still odious. He’s about a tenth as Politically Incorrect as Tucker Carlson.

  142. Pat Shuff says:
    @Anon7

    Thanks! I laughed and almost broke my face it’s been so long. Also liked that wiry haired moron Steven Wright with his driveling absurdities. I think that was actually him, or became him, not a stage persona. Pity. How could one live like that.

  143. @Clyde

    Hannah Gadsby is lesbian, I warn you not to check out her google images

    I couldn’t resist. She looked pretty much as I expected. Stereotypes are true for a reason; leftists are almost invariably ugly people. The question is, do they take up leftist politics because they know they’re ugly and it’s an act of rage against whom they perceive to be the good looking people?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  144. @WowJustWow

    I remember hearing what an incredibly funny and ground-breaking comedian Lenny Bruce was and then actually listening to him and realizing that he wasn’t funny at all, he was sort of like a foul mouthed Noam Chomsky – dull and pedantic.

    And yet he’s held up as a comedy god. An early manifestation of Jewish privilege I suppose.

  145. el topo says:
    @The Z Blog

    In Soviet America, comedy laughs at YOU!

  146. Clyde says:
    @interesting

    I find it odd that she seems to hate men and yet tries to look like one.

    I’ll bet angry feminists are bigger man haters than most lesbians. Feminists are still emotionally engaged with men while lesbians are disengaged.

  147. @Almost Missouri

    Deconstructing a f**king JOKE!! Not unlike baseball devolving into Sabermetrics (Joe Garagiola once asked Willie Mays to explain in detail how he managed to hit a walk-off homer off of a certain pitcher. Mays laughed and replied, “he threw it…I hit it”).

    On the whole, I’ll take Henny Youngman over Hannah Gadsby.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  148. @Jim Don Bob

    She sounds like jews complaining about country clubs.

  149. @Jim Don Bob

    During the campaign she often used the expression “I am so sick and tired,” which, under the circumstances, was ill-advised.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  150. @Anonymous

    Has she related this incident to Sabrina Erdely? Sounds like potential cover story for Rolling Stone.

  151. @megabar

    Agree. For example, I don’t blame Donald Trump for deciding not to participate in the White House Press Corps Dinner, where he’d be subject to savage insult by some obnoxious comedian. It’s demeaning and no one with any self-respect would put up with it. As much as I disliked Bill Clinton, seeing him sitting there with a forced smile while Don Imus mocked him for his martial infidelity was painful.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  152. Gunner says:

    Wow that Tasmanian creature makes Janeane Garafolo look like a comic Marilyn Monroe!

  153. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self, and as a student of visual art history who scrutinized Western art painted mainly by straight white men that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.””

    IF this is true, and not “pity me” agitprop, it demonstrates both that she has no talent, and what she, and other talent-less, jealous “activists” would impose on the rest of us so as to falsely acquire their own “reputation.” “You only think Leonardo is good because someone told you, so now you must think I’m good because now I’m telling you.” This was Warhol’s insight, but he got the joke.

  154. AndrewR says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Whom would they tax? Who would do the tough jobs?

  155. AndrewR says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Trump was the target of a Comedy Central roast before getting into politics. He took the jokes like a champ, and had good jokes when it was his turn to roast his roasters.

  156. AndrewR says:
    @Me

    I used to think Ellen Degenerate was nice and good but after her “I love Eminem” tweet in response to Eminem’s shockingly hateful rant against Trump supporters last fall, I realized she’s neither nice nor good.

  157. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self,”

    So the ‘hip’ folks still believe that 1950 Jewish crap about “my authentic self.” Christ, read some Alan Watts and get wise, you dummy.

  158. @njguy73

    Check out Youtube clips of Steven Wright on Craig Fergusons Late Late Show. He was on about 10 times and it’s hilarious to watch the two of them go at it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=aNQPQs491Ak

  159. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara

    LOL.

    In all the coverage of how “important” the work of this “comedian” is I don’t see any mention of downloads, ticket sales or anything else that might give a sense of how popular she is. Certainly nobody could enjoy her work on its own merits; the whole conceit of all this coverage is that her material is important precisely because it’s not funny!

    This is another one of those “powerful” pieces of pop culture beloved by the tragically hip and completely ignored by the masses. People watch it for the same reason they read Ta-Nehisi Coates: not for pleasure or enlightenment, but to establish or maintain their “woke” credentials, until the wind carries in the next fad.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  160. @Me

    “Nice isn’t funny, funny isn’t nice, and nice isn’t even especially nice most of the time.”

    –Aaron Haspel

  161. @Harry Baldwin

    It would not surprise me if HRC dropped dead anytime soon. The woman is not in good health.

  162. @Reg Cæsar

    Bard College did give us Steely Dan…

    And lest we forget, Bard also gave us the indispensable Robert Weissberg.

  163. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Some beta Eskimo endlessly dissecting what is ostensibly entertainment.

    What did he actually have to say about Bill Maher? Or was he simply dismissed in the first paragraph’s half sentence? Would be interesting to see, at this point in both entertainers careers, which one makes more money.

  164. MBlanc46 says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Disaggregation is the only positive way forward in the US. Any other approach will lead to tyranny.

  165. Brutusale says:
    @njguy73

    Just saw him a few weeks ago at the South Shore Music Circus. He’s as funny as he was back in the 80s at the late, lamented Ding Ho.

  166. @WowJustWow

    Funny that Bruce was occasionally jailed for obscenity and is held up as a sort of martyr for it, but if he were around today he would be pilloried for entirely different reasons.

    Walks out on to the show floor smoking a cigarette.

    He could be arrested in NYC today just for that, but push on …


    Black guy (a plant) at a close in table says “Gimme a drag off your ciggie”.

    Puff. “Thanks man”.

    After Lenny takes the ciggie back. He regards it with a horrified look and says “Shit man, you n****r lipped it.

    No. Lenny’s act would not work today.

  167. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Yeah, they can be. Sometimes I just can’t keep from laughing at their ridiculous antics.

  168. Brutusale says:
    @megabar

    Laugh or not?

    .
    I laughed like Hell, but I’m a Deplorable.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  169. Forbes says:
    @Almost Missouri

    This is the lesbian comic’s version of Sailer’s first rule of female journalism:

    “Come the Revolution, the lesbian comic herself will be considered funniest of all.”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  170. Forbes says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Media, today, is dominated by politics–and therefore, so is life. Unfortunately.

    The comedy of what I’ll call the Johnny Carson Tonight Show era was filled with jokes, humorous observations, of the human condition, everyday life, and our shared experiences. From Rodney Dangerfield to Jerry Seinfeld, our shared experience.

    The current era is all partisan politics all-the-time. Remember how there were never any Obama jokes?

  171. @Brutusale

    Sam Kinison was a very funny guy who died way too soon. RIP

  172. dwb says:

    THIS is the future of “comedy.”

  173. “It takes heterosexuals to make homosexuals.”

  174. “The Tasmanian comic’s Nanette, which shifts from a typical, joke-driven stand-up special into an explanation of why she’s quitting comedy, delves into her personal biography as a lesbian woman struggling to express her authentic self, and as a student of visual art history who scrutinized Western art painted mainly by straight white men that she unquestioningly accepted as masters because of their “reputation.””

    Sounds like a real hoot.

  175. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Ask the descendants of the Confederacy.

  176. Clyde says:
    @njguy73

    I saw Steven Wright in 1983 and he had people in stitches. He was really funny and perfect for that era. His father was a truck driver in Burlington Massachusetts.

  177. @Johnny Smoggins

    Ivana Trump certainly enrages a lot of unattractive leftists like Samantha Bee.

  178. @Almost Missouri

    This lesbians’ “work” demonstrates why this push to mainstream sexual deviants/deviancy is destructive to society–and in turn, why the left has been so enraptured with paddling around in what seems like a trivial backwater and making it the most important issue in the world.

    The plain fact is in a healthy–ergo self-sustaining–society, people like this are indeed “marginalized”–by definition. Because a healthy society is organized around mores, morals, traditions, law … culture, precisely to reproduce itself biolically and culturally. Homosexuals, preverts, weirdos, mental cases are inherently are “at the margin”, not in the “main flow” of society. (And btw, down through the years there have been homosexuals–sane, mature, patriotic–who just understood and accepted that. “Hey, i’m a weirdo, society isn’t supposed to cater to me” and went about enjoying life.)

    Catering to, mainstreaming and elevating the concerns and position of various sexual perverts essentially creates a 5th column that operates even inside the core race/culture that make up the nation. Worse they are a column that gnaws at, whines, bitches about and “deconstructs” precisely the traditions, understandings, laws and culture that are critical to reproducing the nation. A cancer–like ovarian cancer or prostate cancer.

    You’ll get people–lots of normies, but even some smarter folks like commenters here–who go “what’s the big deal?” They are just fundamentally confused about what it take for a society to reproduce itself and survive. (Note, we are not doing that now, neither biologically, nor in terms of the character and “cultural capital” held amongst the people. We are living on past accomplishments, eating our capital up.)

    No society that makes such a lesbian feel included and happy–if such a society could even exist–can possibly be fully reproducing itself, ergo healthy. The left here is not confused. They know how destructive this is to a nation.

    • Agree: Kylie
  179. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Can we please just have a peaceful separation of the USA into multiple regions? There is no sensible reason that I should have to live in a nation filled with people that I have nothing in common with and who loathe me and my beliefs.

    Hear! hear!

    “Separation” as a solution should be ever on the lips (and keyboards) of anyone on the “right” or “nationalist” side. It’s a great way–the way–to demonstrate who is coercing whom.

    Trump’s visit and observations about Europe and the reaction make this a particularly opportune moment. “Let the people who want their traditional nations to have their nations and those who want a globo-nation can have theirs.”

    But it also applies to in-house stuff like Ferguson or bitch lesbians. The normal response of a healthy nation to people who fundamentally do not want to live according to (or integrate to) the nation’s traditions, mores, culture should be–excepting extreme cases–not imprisonment or execution, but simply explusion. “You don’t want to be part of this nation, that’s fine–leave.”
    Parasites, criminals, deviants … you’re out of here!

    Instead what we have now in the West is the parasites constantly bitching about the deplorable host when the host mumurs some complaint or even is simply insufficiently enthusiastic about the parasites.

    Tell ‘em we know how to end the strife. The host and parasites can go our separate ways.

  180. Peasant says:

    As ever the redoubtable Monkey Dust had this covered years ago:

    enjoy!

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  181. @Alfa158

    Corporate meetings and speeches have this same effect, especially the big, cheeseball “keynote” addresses now given at least once a year for the Street.

  182. @WowJustWow

    The masters make the rants hilarious but no less socially biting and insightful. Doug Stanhope is the most underappreciated comedian working in this vein today. He’s as funny or funnier than any living comedian working in any style.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  183. @Anonymous

    not for pleasure or enlightenment, but to establish or maintain their “woke” credentials, until the wind carries in the next fad.

    Does cultural leftism really consist of a series of fads though? The whole thing seems pretty cumulative to me. Once awareness of a leftie cause is established, lefties might move onto new causes, but the older causes aren’t simply discarded. In ten or fifteen years it mightn’t be necessary to even know who TNC was (let alone be familiar with what he wrote), but lefties won’t have changed their opinions that racism is everywhere and is keeping blacks down.

  184. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jake

    SJW culture promotes a sense of eternal grievance, and only the foolishly naive think it is not working to turn that sense of perpetual grievance into blood-letting. They are not too soft to endure the world. They are getting their hate to a pitch to justify a revolution.

    Yes, and it’s surprising that so many people take the crybaby hurt feelings stuff at face value. Feminists, the LGBT lobby, SJWs in general – these are not people who want to hide in their bedrooms crying. They want to be out in the streets in jackboots, stomping anyone who dares to disagree with them. They want blood. They want to smell our fear.

    But conservatives, being the dumbest people who ever lived, still think SJWs are delicate little snowflakes who are no threat.

  185. @silviosilver

    It could be endowed at the Institute for Studies (which is The Daily Mash‘s source for most of its outstanding science content).

    An example –

    THERE is no way to end an email that does not make you sound like a bit of a twat, it has been confirmed.

    The Institute for Studies found all email sign-offs suffered from problems such as being weirdly matey, passive-aggressive or sternly formal like a threatening letter from a bank.

    Professor Henry Brubaker said: “Does anyone actually know what ‘kind regards’ means? Also it sounds a bit drippy and outdated, as if you’ve somehow received an email from a Victorian aunt.

    They probably already have a chair in Studies Studies.

    • Replies: @Elf Himself
  186. The World Improvers have not changed since Mencken’s day – they have to turn everything into a wet-brained sociology sophomore’s version of a Ted talk… they’ve even done that to (most) Ted talks.

    (As VICE‘s Eddie Huang pointed out on the Joe Rogan podcast, being a Ted Fellow is like joining a fucking cult for two weeks).

    Poor Hannah – she has been so indoctrinated by the ‘everybody gets a prize, nobody takes the piss out of anyone or it’s a hate crime” view of the word, that she thinks that ‘comedy‘ and ‘bludgeoning people over the head with watered-down pseudo-philosophical stream of semi-consciousness‘ are the same thing.

    Then again, I’m a straight mostly-white male: I prefer my comedy to be crude (like Catullus’ Carmen 97 – On Amelius (read that, I dare you!), or “Derek & Clive”, Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle.

    Or it has to be sublimely written, like P.G. Wodehouse’s “Ukridge“, his Jeeves & Wooster stuff, and his Blandings work.

    And if we’re playing “Down Under’, then give me Rodney Rude and Kevin Bloody Wilson. Wilson’s “Hey Santa Claus, You C*nt!” is a masterwork.

    OK, so “On Amelius” is not ‘comedy’ exactly – it’s just a ‘burn’. But it’s pretty funny.

    Disclosure: Hannah Gadsby lives locally (or did a year ago: I often saw her in the small supermarket on Union Road). I’ve seen her standup… it’s just a non-stop demand for validation.

    If her ilk were grownups they would set aside the childish need to have everyone like them (the LZTNR-GSX-R750 crowd are a lot like the Zionists in that regard: as far as they’re concerned you’re not even allowed to be indifferent to them – you have to like them, or else you’re Hitler).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  187. @Peasant

    Aaaah Monkey Dust.

    Between the Pedo-Finder Gen-er-alll, and the “Rubbish Terrorist” Jihadis from West Bromwich, they were absolute gold.

  188. @Autochthon

    He’s very good, but Bill Burr’s ranty-observation stuff is outrageously good.

    “There’s NO Reason to hit a woman? Really? Never?” When you laugh and cringe at the same time, he’s doing his job.

    He also has great ‘bits’ about Eugenics and mass murder, and a genius bit about Hitler getting all the limelight when Stalin should be a first-ballot Hall of Famer who is not getting his ‘numbers’ recognised (and Mao’s numbers are ‘steroid’ numbers, coz if you have a car acccident in China you kill 50,000 people).

    ‘Hitler drops 6 million – Stalin is 20-something. If those were albums, Hitler is Hootie and the Blowfish, and Stalin is Michael Jackson’s Thriller.”

  189. Dale says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Totally agree. The good place is one of the few comedies I watch them last few years that will be around a decade from now. It’s a fascinating look at morality.

  190. Dale says:
    @kaganovitch

    That’s a funny image. Lesbians are fed up with Trannies, so I suspect that it will be a man in a dress with fake boobs standing on your face and making you look at his shenis.

  191. Shit like this is why I cancelled my Netflix a year ago.

    For something that is actually funny, go no further than Bad Santa 2. It came out just 2 years ago and it’s got enough bits in it that had me laughing so hard that I could barely breathe.

    What a great feeling! To actually laugh heartily. So healthy. So refreshing. So rare.

    One of my favorite lines in the film: Kathy Bates saying: I don’t speak political correct.

    That idiom (political correct) is a foreign language to humor and to freedom. We should all stop speaking that idiom today.

  192. @Kratoklastes

    Wilson’s “Hey Santa Claus, You C*nt!” is a masterwork.

    Hah, I remember my friend describing this ‘song’ to me when I was in fourth grade. I had a hard time believing that such a thing could really be possible – I mean, who’d want to denigrate Santa (and, by implication, Christmas)? I guess it says something about how not-yet-totally-gone Australia was in the late 80s that a kid could actually believe he lived in a good, clean, Christian country in which denigrating Christmas would be frowned upon. (Then again, I always was more whimsical than most.)

  193. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    It is clear that the elites hate us cracker dirt people. What is the argument against just going our separate ways?

    The argument from hegemony, or, “Bake that cake, bigot!”

    As Moldbug has argued, the elite (Whigs or Super-Protestants) attained their place through three consecutive military victories: They conquered Massachusetts in 1781, conquered the USA in 1865 and the Western world in 1945. Why would they willingly give up territory? Wouldn’t their relinquishing of any aspect of hegemony be a sign of weakness?

  194. Romanian says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I thought they were the ones not showing up, by not having kids.

  195. Ragno says:

    What comedy? It doesn’t exist any longer. We’re generations removed from the physical discipline an artistry of slapstick; the comedy of character and stereotype – in which people laughed at the foibles, ethnic and otherwise, that they recognized from daily life – is now completely infradig; and cultural/political satire has long since been relegated to smacking pre-approved targets with a pig bladder.

    Is it any wonder that all we have left is the comedy of dehumanization: the “humor” of bodily functions and sexual dysfunction and our now-mandatory utter loathing for Emmanuel Goldstein? I only wonder how many normals are out there, sick to death of “edgy” standups and the new wrinkle – women comics viler than the vilest of men, yet every bit the hectoring schoolmarm as the suffragettes of centuries past; but who are savvy enough to avoid the HR hectoring and lectures by keeping schtum- yes, even regarding comedy! It must be a staggering number by now.

  196. She’ll get comfortable and make a typically White Feminist-Racist remark about Blaxx or Hispanics and that will be it. No one more racist than White feminists.

    They move to White neighborhoods for “the schools”. Then, they have Hispanic housekeepers, because “the Blacks, you know, they steal”. Hear those lines from the Jews a lot, too. Always have.

  197. @WowJustWow

    Dustin Hoffman was better at being Lenny Bruce than Lenny Bruce was.

  198. @Achilles

    Once again, one must congratulate the Jews on their verbal skills.

    They captured in four words what it takes white nationalists fourteen to say!

    Well-played!

  199. Q: How many Militant Lesbians does it take to change a lightbulb?
    A: None, and it’s not funny

  200. @Jim Don Bob

    I don’t wish her any ill (she’s already got Bill), but if it prevents another run, all is well.

  201. @Kratoklastes

    THERE is no way to end an email that does not make you sound like a bit of a twat, it has been confirmed. Professor Henry Brubaker said: “Does anyone actually know what ‘kind regards’ means?

    I’ve long been fond of “Don’t step in any!” as a farewell.

  202. When I tell light-bulb jokes I start with the safe ones…

    Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light-bulb?
    A: Just one. But it takes a long time, and the light-bulb has to want to change.

    Then I move on…

    Q: How many feminists does it take?
    A: THAT’S NOT FUNNY!!

    Anyway, here’s a super-safe joke because it’s at the expense of people who typically self-identify as “White males”…

    A priest & a rabbi are walking down the street when they spot a young boy in the playground.

    Priest says “I’d sure like to screw him!”

    Rabbi asks “Outta what?”

  203. @Clyde

    Oh dear.

    If I were going to try playing for the other team, I don’t believe I’d want to start with that.

    If you prefer women, wouldn’t you want someone who looks like one?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  204. @WowJustWow

    The difference is that now you’re supposed to pretend the jokeless rants are filled with absolute gutbusters just because they flatter the audience’s sense of wokeness.

    Kind of like that play in Fountainhead that everyone feels obliged to admire, even though the elitists deliberately wrote it as badly as possible.

  205. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy

    If you prefer women, wouldn’t you want someone who looks like one?

    You’re assuming that homosexuals are just people who are basically normal in every way except for the teeny tiny detail that they prefer sex with their own sex. That’s the propaganda we’ve been fed for half a century. It isn’t true. There’s nothing remotely normal about homosexuality.

    Lesbians are motivated by a horrifying mix of self-hatred, anger, desire for revenge against society, desire for revenge revenge against their parents, self-deception and fear. You can’t expect any of their actions to make any kind of sense.

    Male homosexuals are motivated by a complete inability to control self-indulgence combined with self-disgust.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  206. CCZ says:

    More sycophantic ramblings about Ms. Gadsby, from The Guardian.

    “‘I broke the contract’: how Hannah Gadsby’s trauma transformed comedy.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/jul/16/hannah-gadsby-trauma-comedy-nanette-standup-netflix

  207. @dfordoom

    OK. I was just judging by my own Girl-Crush on Lauren Bacall after I saw The Big Sleep. I went straight out and got a black-and-white houndstooth suit like the one she wears when she’s sitting on Humphrey Bogart’s desk scratching her knee and they’re passing the phone back and forth. I also tried lowering my voice to a sophisticated purr, without success. I mean, if you’re going to fall madly in love with someone of your own gender, I should think this would be more tempting than that thing we saw in the image search:

    Seriously, could you get any cooler?

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