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Drug Overdoses Propel Rise in Mortality Rates of Young Whites

NYT

By GINA KOLATA and SARAH COHEN JAN. 16, 2016 538 COMMENTS

Drug overdoses are driving up the death rate of young white adults in the United States to levels not seen since the end of the AIDS epidemic more than two decades ago — a turn of fortune that stands in sharp contrast to falling death rates for young blacks, a New York Times analysis of death certificates has found.

The rising death rates for those young white adults, ages 25 to 34, make them the first generation since the Vietnam War years of the mid-1960s to experience higher death rates in early adulthood than the generation that preceded it.

The Times analyzed nearly 60 million death certificates collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from 1990 to 2014. It found death rates for non-Hispanic whites either rising or flattening for all the adult age groups under 65 — a trend that was particularly pronounced in women — even as medical advances sharply reduce deaths from traditional killers like heart disease. Death rates for blacks and most Hispanic groups continued to fall.

The analysis shows that the rise in white mortality extends well beyond the 45- to 54-year-old age group documented by a pair of Princeton economists in a research paper that startled policy makers and politicians two months ago.

While the death rate among young whites rose for every age group over the five years before 2014, it rose faster by any measure for the less educated, by 23 percent for those without a high school education, compared with only 4 percent for those with a college degree or more.

The drug overdose numbers were stark. In 2014, the overdose death rate for whites ages 25 to 34 was five times its level in 1999, and the rate for 35- to 44-year-old whites tripled during that period. The numbers cover both illegal and prescription drugs. …

There is a reason that blacks appear to have been spared the worst of the narcotic epidemic, said Dr. Andrew Kolodny, a drug abuse expert. Studies have found that doctors are much more reluctant to prescribe painkillers to minority patients, worrying that they might sell them or become addicted.

“The answer is that racial stereotypes are protecting these patients from the addiction epidemic,” said Dr. Kolodny, a senior scientist at the Heller School for Social Policy and Management at Brandeis University and chief medical officer for Phoenix House Foundation, a national drug and alcohol treatment company. …

Researchers are struggling to come up with an answer to the question of why whites in particular are doing so poorly. No one has a clear answer, but researchers repeatedly speculate that the nation is seeing a cohort of whites who are isolated and left out of the economy and society and who have gotten ready access to cheap heroin and to prescription narcotic drugs.

“There are large numbers of people who never get established in the economy, who live outside family relationships and are on the edge of poverty,” Dr. Hayward said. Many end up taking prescription narcotics, he added.

“Poverty and stress, for example, are risk factors for misuse of prescription narcotics,” Dr. Hayward said.

Eileen Crimmins, a professor of gerontology at the University of Southern California, said the causes of death in these younger people were largely social — “violence and drinking and taking drugs.” Her research shows that social problems are concentrated in the lower education group.

“For too many, and especially for too many women,” she said, “they are not in stable relationships, they don’t have jobs, they have children they can’t feed and clothe, and they have no support network.”

 
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  1. Just what I needed on a Monday morning! Spiritual death leading to physical death. Without some kind of “white pride,” or “white identitarian” movement (preferably religious in nature), coupled with trade and immigration policies that emphasize creating good-paying domestic job (mostly in manufacturing) the United States can just kiss large portions of its previously-core population good-bye.

    I remember Robert Neville’s lines in The Omega Man: “Build coffins; it’s all you’ll need.”

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  2. Geez. Doctors are racist. Ironic he could see that with it his institution being named after Helen Keller.

  3. Being hated by your own people, by your own society seems to increase morbidity and mortality. Merely to be hated by your own kind reduces life expectancy.

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  4. Hispanics and blacks win. Whites lose. Interesting. The white death becomes the white death.

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  5. I would guess that the underlying causes are deindustrialization and secularization. Both have contributed to the weakening of families. Whites with high school educations – those are exactly the people who used to make the things that the Chinese and Indonesians are making now.

    Which reminds me of something. Steve loved the late Margaret Thatcher, but hates the fact that Britain is now full of chavs. One caused the other. Are you really blind to that, Steve? It’s such an obvious thing. Working-class Brits hated that woman for a reason.

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  6. Is this at all similar to what we saw in Russia in the 90s, when lifespans collapsed, especially for men?

    Religion is dead, and what it traditionally meant to be an American is dead. The people who finished school only a few years after me seem to have graduated with a completely different (and entirely vacuous) notion of what it means to be American. They’re paying for it. We’re all paying for it.

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  7. Religion is not dead, far from it. The Cultural Marxism of the SJW has become the spiritual reservoir of our elite’s sycophants. That some choose not to join this cult, and whither in the darkness of addiction, is not the concern of those inside.

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  8. Dont worry high IQ Chinese and Indian immigrants will replace white soylent green.

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  9. Thanks liberals. All those social structures that you work to tear down are the framework which provided structure and meaning to the lives of many people. This idea of people who are atomized in society and stripped of all social support except for Mother Government isn’t working. Churches, family, stable jobs, social pressure to get married, social pressure to have kids within marriage, social pressure to stay in your marriage, these all build a web of meaning and support around people.

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  10. http://www.inquisitr.com/2713257/psychiatrist-arrested-dr-death-charged-after-36-of-his-patients-die-police-say-narendra-nagareddy-over-prescribed-prescription-medication-186098/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-doctor-arrested-36-patients-die-article-1.2498832

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  11. do you actually believe this?

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  12. hbd people suffer from great deal of cognitive dissonance.

  13. I looked back at the previous White Death tagged posts, and the graph shows that this isn’t happening in the other Anglosphere countries and Western Europe. As this appears to be directly linked to opiates, is the system of having state-run healthcare the key differential? Without the profit motive to push more pills.

    DTC marketing could be another problem.

    But the power of lobbyists and the bought priesthood of Conservatism Inc will get in the way of fixing it.

    While its probably too soon to see an effect, will legal cannabis increase/decrease/do nothing to the White Death?

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  14. more likely conservative economic policies have destroyed unions.

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  15. cultural Marxism is a meaning less and vague term.

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  16. It would also be interesting to wonder whether the increase in death rates has caused the GOP electoral heartburn. For now it could only mean theoretically lost seats in the state legislatures, but if the rates keep increasing it could even flip seats in the Senate.

  17. When I was diagnosed with cancer at the end of 1996, I looked into the subject of painkillers. There seemed to be a general elite consensus at the time that painkiller access should be liberalized in America. My impression is that it was, although I don’t know exactly when or how.

    You started seeing an upsurge in non-counterculture celebrities — Rush Limbaugh, Chandler on “Friends,” etc. — with pain pill problems in the early 2000s.

    I can recall reviewing a movie around 2002 starring Chandler in which it was pretty clear that the director was having him physically treated with kid gloves in the action scenes so he wouldn’t hurt his back and wind up on pills again. About a decade later he was in a sitcom as a radio host trying to put his life back together after rehab. It wasn’t bad, although they downplayed the Limbaugh links, which made it a little more generic.

    Subsequently, they (and I’m not exactly sure who they are or when they did it) apparently tightened up on the pain pills and that made cheap Mexican heroin more popular as a substitute.

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  18. “Working-class Brits hated that woman for a reason.” In my experience many of them thought the world of her. You may have got your prejudice the wrong way round here.

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  19. I personally do agree with you.

  20. Upon reading the post more closely, it appears that the death rate is up among women as well as men; unlike the older age cohorts, where the increased death rates are among men but not women. This is even more troubling; young men have always been more “disposable,” in the sense that they are natural risk-takers. But when young women start dying at higher rates, your people are in for a rough ride.

    Since this phenomenon appears confined to the United States, I suspect that much of it is an artifact of greater availabiity of both prescription and illegal drugs. I don’t think that greater availability of legal cannabis is going to make the situation one wit better.

  21. Props to Wilkey and Diversity Heretic above. I admit I don’t see any realistic prospect for a benign white or Euro-identitarian constituency in the States. Also, both Left and Right, as far as I can tell, seem to agree that rising white mortality rates are a bad thing, with the Left focusing on poor job prospects as explanatory, and the Right on poor job prospects and cultural-political factors (like those talked about frequently on “UR”).

    Moral torpor and political infantilization are ugly phrases. Still, I think they describe a large population in today’s America who’ve still got good jobs, enough discretionary income for consumer goodies, homes in the self-segregated ‘burbs, a tunnel vision about their situation that’s beyond belief. They have no desire (and no economic incentive) to look at the world around them in critical terms, and they’ll play ball with the political Zeitgeist, because the costs of dissent are too high and the rewards too vague and distant.

    Back in the 1980s, I had a lengthy conversation with a former executive of a bankrupt area steel mill that had once employed about 50,000 in several states, and maybe 20,000 locally. He really didn’t know of the decision to liquidate until a few days before the decision was announced. He was a tough-guy industrialist with a technical background, so he must have had an inkling that our local mills were obsolete on price, but, a steady paycheck, the business-as-usual routine at work, a disinclination to tell his bosses bad news, etc. had him blind-sided.

    My point, I guess, is the obvious. More people will have to hurt before a “constituency of the dispossessed” will sway political decisions. I don’t like thinking like that, but our political caste likes to portray big decisions as having been forced on them.

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  22. Yes, the British NHS under-prescribes painkillers because they have to pay for them. This probably helps keep people alive.

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  23. Working (or non-working) class dysfunction in Britain clearly predates Thatcher; look at the whole skinhead phenomenon amongst many others in the 70s. In fact the dysfunction decreased while she was in power and increased after she left. So no, it’s not obvious at all. It is pretty obviously a welfare state thing.

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  24. Good points all. It may be that white elites will have to start feeling the effects of the dispossession before there can be a change. I think Steve Sailer said that the British might have kept their American colonies if only they had given George Washington the British regular army commission that he craved. If elites start seeing themselves dispossessed by blacks, Hispanics, East and South Asians, etc., than they might develop an identitarian perspective–they may never do it on behalf of the white “underclass.” I suppose a large cohort of well-educated white men and women between their mid-30′s and early 50′s who find themselves unemployed or working survival jobs (“Do you want fries with that?”) while watching minorities doing well might beccome a force for revolution. But not until.

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  25. And America has a political movement dedicated to increasing the death rate among young blacks, too. See Baltimore post below…

  26. I am now wiser for being a better Catholic, but I once was young and dumb and frequently intoxicated. We stole so much Robitussin that they moved it behind the counter. Primmer people have no idea how fucked up Dextromethorphan can get you, when instead of taking two you take thirty. The brothers call it sippin on sizzurp.

    Prescription painkillers presumably are the bane of lost souls and main factor in addictions that lead to death, but I will say this: by my sight the loose ends in the system are doctors flat corrupt, because you can’t go shopping from one to the next the way the way pharmacies are electronically universalized, so that every single one knows when you last got prescribed anything, and thus when you’re refills legit. A bunch of folks are getting drugs who need them so they can sell them, it would seem.

    I don’t say this lightly, because it’s terribly sad and I regret knowing it, but a whole bunch of the heroin enters this country on Navy boats. That, such that if you were going to make a guess about heroin overdoses after a decade of our boys in Afghanistan, well more than less would’ve been the obvious guess. I myself knew one who went that way. RIP.

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  27. You destroy their faith by telling them there is nothing but stuff.
    You destroy their morality by telling them they are sexual animals with a right to satisfy their lusts.
    You shame them by foisting filth and violent entertainment on them to pervert their children.
    You destroy their independence by taking their money and throwing a few coins back in welfare
    You destroy their families by allowing marriage as an institution to be destroyed.
    You allow some families to earn double incomes while others see their jobs destroyed and shipped overseas.
    You allow the easy passage of drugs and do everything you can to decriminalize it.
    You allow wealthy powerful people to remarry and break up poorer families.
    You allow depraved bastards to declare children are sexual beings and watch as predators stalk them.
    You allow drug companies to foist their drugs on children.
    You allow the food industry to sell utter crap which they know is unhealthy.

    Yeah I know it is an unbalanced list, and everyone would disagree with some of my statements.

    But the fact is that smart powerful people have for a long time now had no motivation except making more money for themselves and they have preyed on poorer less intelligent people, all the while saying let’s give them what they want. And they have made millions by corrupting others and bleeding people morally dry and destroying them with false images and destructive ideas.

    Unfortunately the best have become the worst, and it is a curse.

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  28. I think, rather than becoming a force for revolution, we’ll be seeing a force of people killing themselves. Perhaps there is something buried in our genes that goes beyond free will, when certain ethnic criteria in a population are met.
    Imagine diversity as an ultimately toxic agent to the host country! Like heroin, the initial experience is great, but not for the long haul. The host is eventually consumed by his own will.

  29. Hey there, wolfy. We need a better class of troll here, and I’d encourage you to step up your game a little and see how you do at the job. We’re not grammar Nazis here, I don’t think, but meaningless is best spelled as one word.

    Keep jabbing us, wolfy—who knows, we’ve changed a few minds in our time.

  30. When I looked into the dataset that Case and Deaton used ( https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/correlates-of-middle-aged-white-mortality/ ) and mixed it with Census Data, it appeared that there were three main predictors of county-level death rates for middle aged whites:
    1) Median income
    2) Obesity
    3) SSI-Disability

    It can’t be all economic, since income isn’t fully predictive by itself. And while rural counties have higher death rates overall, when you control for obesity and disability rates, population size of the county is no longer predictive. Marriage rates, and employment rates (controlling for income) aren’t strongly predictive, either.

    My guess is that while the broader social changes may set the stage, uncontrolled pain management, perhaps worsened by obesity, isolation and sedentary lifestyles, and the ready availability of guns, liquor, and opioids to end the pain, are giving us this increase in mortality.

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  31. NYT quote:

    Researchers are struggling to come up with an answer to the question of why whites in particular are doing so poorly. No one has a clear answer, but researchers repeatedly speculate that the nation is seeing a cohort of whites who are isolated and left out of the economy and society and who have gotten ready access to cheap heroin and to prescription narcotic drugs.

    “There are large numbers of people who never get established in the economy, who live outside family relationships and are on the edge of poverty,” Dr. Hayward said. Many end up taking prescription narcotics, he added.

    This is a classic case of Durkheimian anomie that has afflicted remote indigenous communities, working class Glaswegians and post-communist Russians. A lethal concoction of economic deprivation and ethnic dissolution.
    I predict that poor people who maintain strong families and religious observance will be spared the worst. Drug liberalisation Would be the nail in the coffin for the white working class.
    Post-modern liberalism is the suicide of the West.

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  32. What about the whole skinhead thing? I just remember it being a lot of fun. It produced music genres and a style that people are still copying. Whatever the politics, there was an element of working class pride intrinsic in it. I don’t want to overrstate this, but comparing skins and chavs really only illustrates how degraded the working class has become in just a couple generations. Chavs create nothing, dress like slobs and obviously have no pride. They’re like the vacuum that exists in the abscence of any self worth. Chavs are what you get when you subject an entire people to constant contempt and every sort of economic, social and spiritual degradation imagineable.

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  33. “People use drugs, legal and illegal, because their lives are intolerably painful or dull. They hate their work and find no rest in their leisure. They are estranged from their families and their neighbors. It should tell us something that in healthy societies drug use is celebrative, convivial, and occasional, whereas among us it is lonely, shameful, and addictive. We need drugs, apparently, because we have lost each other.”
    ― Wendell Berry, The Art of the Commonplace: The Agrarian Essays

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  34. I realize this is not the most relevant of posts, but, c’mon, now, can you take someone named Gina Kolata seriously?

  35. Is this at all similar to what we saw in Russia in the 90s, when lifespans collapsed, especially for men?

    To me, it is similar to what we saw in Russia in the 70s and 80s: Russian lifespan decreased, and infant mortality rose. French sociologist Emmanuel Todd concluded that it was a consequence of Soviet society becoming increasingly dysfunctional, and he predicted the end of the USSR. And that’s exactly what happened in 1991.

    Is the American society becoming increasingly dysfunctional? If so, in the next 20 years the USA may collapse like the USSR did.

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  36. The increase in the white death by drugs rate is highest in Scots-Irish and English lowland states like West Virginia and Mississippi.

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  37. Frankly, I don’t believe it.

    Do you really think the NYT’s had their useless interns going over 60 million death certificates? Do you understand what it means to go through 60 million individual pieces of paper to assemble that info into a database to draw these conclusions? Nobody has time for that.

    I seriously doubt any of this is true.

    I understand why the alt-right wants to believe that this is true because it confirms to what extent America is an anti-White society. I am sympathetic with that goal. But one also has to understand why the Left is pushing this as well. They want to right-off the White population. They want ample evidence “proving” how necessary immigrants are and to deflect any criticism away from the root cause of the problem.”See,” They say, “White people are dying from drug overdoses.” We need MOAR IMMIGRANTS to solve this problem or crops will be rotting in the fields.

    It’s the same motivation highlighting the breathless push for automation stories in the media.

  38. You can bet that the proposed solution to this problem will involve making it harder than ever for me to get sudafed.

    I do think this is something of a no brainer. People live because they feel like they need to be here: usually for their families, their kids, and so on. Sometimes other things, but unless you feel a strong need to get something done, the temptation to do nothing is strong. And doing nothing leads to sloth and boredom and anything that alleviates that, including anything from “drugs”, cough syrup, booze, you name it. Not to mention unemployment, obesity, disability, and on and on. I see this every day. There’s a certain segment of the population that doesn’t see any need to take care of itself, so it doesn’t, they blimp out and the next thing you know they’re dead at the age of 30. I can think of several cases just off the top of my head.

    There aren’t a lot of jobs out there. For the less educated, little more than service jobs, which frankly isn’t normal for a lot of people. Unemployment, disability, and living in Mom’s attic is the result. Fewer marriages, fewer children, fewer homes, and no sense of community to keep you up to speed.

    In my ’60′s I would prefer not having to jump through hoops to get allergy meds or mild opioids (at my age something is always hurting.) But that’s what the focus will be on, I guarantee it.

    As per Durkheim (or Masaryk, or the sort of thing Jack London described in England), it was the rising suicide rate among the emerging working class that helped fuel “progressivism” 100-120 years ago. The same thing that fueled the drug laws in 1913, talk about eugenics, birth control, and of course prohibition. Most of that was a waste of time, too, because it’s really about having a social cohort that has no future, no hope, and few opportunities to meet basic social dignity requirements.

    Fact is, most people aren’t going to be happy greeting shoppers at a department store, or asking people if they want fries with that, or working in a Dilbert type cubicle. Especially if they can’t have a home and a family on their salaries. We need to create a society where average and below average people can have those things. Otherwise, they will get the message and check out.

    The cultural pessimism today is actually pretty intense. You reap what you sow.

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  39. I drive by a methadone clinic every Saturday morning. The large parking lot is always full so the junkies are forced to park on the main street as well as a secondary street adjacent to the clinic. They all carry a little lock box that contains their Sunday dose because the clinic is closed on that day.

    I rarely see a non-white in the mass of people there.

  40. “Working (or non-working) class dysfunction in Britain clearly predates Thatcher; look at the whole skinhead phenomenon amongst many others in the 70s. In fact the dysfunction decreased while she was in power and increased after she left.”

    I don’t think that’s completely true, in that a true underclass as measured by Charles Murray’s three criteria (disinclination to work, criminality, fatherless kids) only came into being on a large scale in the Thatcher years. There had indeed been subcultures with violent elements since the 50s (Teds, Mods and Rockers). Skinhead racism was the kind of response that young working men in pretty much any country (absent demoralising propaganda) would have to large numbers of strangers arriving on their streets, as we see in South Africa in the township response to migrant workers (who are after all much closer in appearance and culture than, say, Pakistani Muslims were to British youths).
    Skinheads, Teds, Mods, Rockers all had jobs – that’s the big difference from the Thatcher years. In those years bastardy skyrocketed and council estates (your ‘projects’) went from being full of working people to being full of non-working people. At the same time, thanks to North Sea Oil, public finances were relatively good, so few in government worried too much, with exceptions like the very iSteveish Keith Joseph.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Joseph#1974

    From the Thatcher years right up to the 2010 election, it became both acceptable and financially feasible in many parts of the UK not to work and not to marry if you had kids (the Guardian, I recall, had several series on council estates where the part dole/part thief lifestyle was presented as a righteous response to the Thatcher government). As house prices rose sharply during those years (as Thatcher had loosened previously tight restrictions on credit) so the middle class had fewer kids but the underclass expanded. Til finally, after 30 years in which perhaps the least bright had had the most kids, those kids found that their benefits were being cut and that they were competing for jobs with all of Eastern Europe.

    A key Thatcher adviser was Alfred Sherman – another interesting guy who went as far as iSteve and then well beyond.

    “As for the lumpen proletariat, coloured people and the Irish, let’s face it, the only way to hold them in check is to have enough well-armed and properly trained police.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Sherman

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  41. A great Sherman quote dated May 2000, from his wiki

    “The power and prestige of America is in the hands of people who will not resist the temptation to invent new missions, lay down new embargoes, throw new bombs, and fabricate new courts. For the time being, they control the United Nations, the World Bank, most of the world’s high-tech weapons, and the vast majority of the satellites that watch us from every quadrant of the skies. This is the opportunity they sense, and we must ask what ambitions they will declare next. … Instead of rediscovering the virtues of traditionally defined, enlightened self-interest in the aftermath of its hands down cold war victory, America’s foreign policy elites are more intoxicated than ever by their own concoction of benevolent global hegemony and indispensable power.”

  42. I don’t say this lightly, because it’s terribly sad and I regret knowing it, but a whole bunch of the heroin enters this country on Navy boats. That, such that if you were going to make a guess about heroin overdoses after a decade of our boys in Afghanistan, well more than less would’ve been the obvious guess.

    Opium and heroin appeared after Gulf War I where I was in the deep South. I saw several people get hooked.

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  43. We need to create a society where average and below average people can have those things.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Otherwise, they will get the message and check out.

    Sad but true.

    Excellent post.

  44. Hows the economy doing without White people? Pretty bad huh? Not bad enough for you yet?

    White death is the Death of everyone. That food comes from a White hand. The electricity comes with a White repairman. Without White people, you get Mad Max without the feminists and minorities. Kinda like Judge Dredd.

  45. The Scots-Irish aren’t particularly alcoholic, compared to the Germanic/Nordic upper Midwest ( http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/images/map3-weighted-binge-drinking.png ) and wherever it is dark and cold. But, even aside from the low-level lawlessness that we associate with Appalachia, a culture that prides itself on independence and isolation may be particularly dangerous when we are all in general so liable towards isolation.

    Utah and Nevada have surprisingly high drug-overdose rates as well ( http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/statedeaths.html ); perhaps Mormons particularly susceptible to prescription drug abuse (whether as a substitute for drinking, or for other reasons)

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  46. Of course a lot of working class people thought Reagan was great too. Reagan and Thatcher were both very charismatic people. They’ve remained popular in some groups because they were effective advocates to a wider audience for a certain ideology of business freindly conservatism. Did either of them ultimately do anything though that helped the native working classes in their countries in terms of immigration, trade, positive discrimination/affirmative action, unions or social cohesion? For all their talk about morals was it any harder to get an abortion by the end of their terms? Because I’d put forward that they were both disasters who weakened their people and did nothing to stop or reverse the erosion of the culture or identity within their countries. I can maybe understand why consevatives of a certain age are nostalgic about them, but defending or advocating for them seems like a wrongheaded waste of time.

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  47. Why not both?

    Conservative deregulation of the banks and liberal housing loan ‘affirmative action’ both helped create the banking crisis.

    Conservative defunding of state universities and liberals encouraging everyone to go to college both helped create a generation of indebted kids.

    Conservative desire for cheap labor (NOT UNZ READERS) and liberal desire for nonwhite votes both helped create millions of illegal immigrants.

    Why can’t conservative destruction of unions and liberal destruction of families both kill blue-collar whites?

    We tend to form tribes and go ‘Blue Team, Red Team’ and pick one as the good one and one as the bad one, but really, there are two coalitions of pressure groups that go after what they want, and it’s entirely possible for a group of people with nobody speaking for them to get screwed by both sides.

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  48. The Irish? They seem to have their own country now and it’s doing OK. I guess it’s an English thing.

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  49. Anecdotally, my younger sister, who is naturally beautiful, smart, and talented, has chosen drugs and social isolation. She is no longer beautiful, unless you’re into meth chic, and her brain is addled, but she can still create really interesting artwork. Someone mentioned SSI/disability. My mom got her on that years ago, for bipolar disorder. She also paid for an abortion my sister had, years ago.

    My parents met as Socialists and raised us atheist and contemptuous of America and Western civilization. My dad even became a Muslim, not joking. Funnily enough, they used to really get into the Democratic presidential candidate every four years. I even got to shake Clinton’s hand as a teenager. My mom told me he was really eyeing me, ha.

    I rescued myself through luck and grace. Luck because I lack a propensity for alcohol and drug addiction. Grace through suddenly being ‘struck by gratitude’ and realizing how amazingly lucky I was to enjoy health, freedom, security, and prosperity through so little effort of my own.

    I glommed on to the NeoCon con but wised up while serving in Iraq. In response to my NCO offering career goodies, I told him, “The Army is not my priority. Serving my country is my priority, and I can best do that by having and raising children.”

    Religion is problematic. I lack faith in Christianity, though I’m sentimentally attached out of ancestral loyalty, and it really is beautiful (the works of J.S. Bach….). Hippy-dippy spiritual stuff (e.g., Eckhart Tolle) is helpful and explanatory, though its practitioners err in assuming all peoples are equally evolved, IMO.

    Does the West need to believe in Christianity in order to thrive? Aren’t the Northeast Asians doing fine, don’t they maintain ethnic loyalty and pride, without believing in some universalist religion?

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  50. So what do you call Trump?

  51. Religion and culture may play a part in this.

    Forty years ago last year I sailed as a boiler tender (FOWT) on a grain ship bound for India/Bangladesh. There were lots of heavy drug users that joined the ship in Norfolk.

    India was popular for dopers because you could buy any drugs you wanted right over the counter … as in you walk into a drugstore and say “give me 500 black beauties and a thousand white crosses”.

    An Indian doctor raised and trained in this culture (but working in America) would see no particular problem in prescribing whatever the patient wanted and said was effective.

    In other news, Chinese farmers are dosing their herds with the (human) antibiotic of last resort.

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  52. Naah. Everyone’s still well-fed enough not to revolt, and there’s no idea of a better way out there. People in the USSR at some level wanted to live like people in Western Europe. I don’t think anyone really wants to be Chinese (except anime fans, and they look a little further east).

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  53. Yeah, I don’t know. We don’t need that many jobs anymore, honestly. Stuff’s getting too automated.

    I used to think we’d just put everyone on welfare and they’d just play video games or basketball/football/etc. or write fanfiction, but then you get that sense of anomie and purposelessness.

    The irony is, it’s actually a sign of a rich society rather than a poor one–we can get what we want without working too hard.

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  54. A recent documentary on a small dope-ridden town in WV said that the folks were getting their drugs prescribed by doctors in the greater DC area.

  55. Not going to happen, I’m afraid. They usually only replace in proportion to the population–there are still plenty of white slots in the overclass for you to bust your butt trying to get.

    Besides, there’s a lot of white intermarriage with Asians and Indians at the upper levels. (You can put Jews on whatever side of that line you want.) I was friends with a guy of German descent who was moderately into it (only moderately, as you shall soon see) who I used to go drinking with. Turned out he was married to a lady of Asian extraction. I got invited to a birthday party, and met her sister…who was married to a white guy. So there were lots of kids running around who looked like they were from Kazakhstan. Eventually it’ll become its own racial class marker, I suspect.

    But, yeah, the overclass doesn’t care about the underclass. The only question is, has it ever been any different for any period of time? Medieval nobles spoke a good game about God willing it but were happy to let their peasants starve. You can find lots of other examples in any country and time period.

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  56. The USSR collapsed not because people revolted (they didn’t), but because the economy and the heavy machinery that was the Soviet state stopped functioning. Basically, the USSR had a heart attack. Couldn’t happen in the USA? Think twice.

  57. “The answer is that racial stereotypes are protecting these patients from the addiction epidemic,” said Dr. Kolodny

    So discrimination is good? I wonder how that got past the NYT editor!

  58. You have to remember that at the time “the Irish” – in the form of the Provisional IRA – had been killing large numbers of people (and were being funded and armed by the US diaspora). They had their own country at the time, they just wanted the entire island, which they still haven’t got.

    “I guess it’s an English thing.”

    Alfred Sherman was the son of Russian Jewish immigrants.

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    I doubt that we should legalize all drugs and release all drug-dealers from jail when deaths from drug overdoses are rising. But is the rise in overdose deaths a reason not to legalize marijuana?

  60. Broadly speaking it’s a North vs South thing. I’m a Yorkshireman and I can tell you that many people hate Maggie around here (and still vote for a Labour party that either despises them or abandoned them a long time ago). However, among the working class of, say, Essex, many like her a lot.

  61. There’s a meta/methodological point here, that Steve has made a few times in different ways, but I think is worth drawing out. That is, the reason the NYTimes is doing this analysis of young adult white death rates is because Case & Deaton found the remarkable rise in middle-aged white death rates a few months ago, and the reason that the finding made such a stir was that Deaton had won the economics quasi-Nobel a few days before. But the data was just sitting around on the CDC’s web-site (and their article was rejected several times before being accepted by PNAS) largely unmentioned, not just because it was about white people’s problems (and who cares about them) but because social science is increasingly oriented towards what you might call “doing rather than knowing.” As Steve quoted in his article about the fraudulent UCLA Meet-a-Gay-Person-for-Twenty-Minutes-and-You’ll-Support-Gay-Marriage-for-Life study, “the point is not to understand the world but to change it.”

    The UCLA study made a big stir because it was a massive (if imaginary) randomized controlled trial that appeared to show an Effective Way of Reducing Homophobia. The penchant towards RCTs goes beyond what is published in academic journals: an increasing fraction of federal spending in domestic policy and international development is targeted towards directing funds towards programs and policies which have evidence of success from randomized controlled trials. There are strong reasons for RCTs to be used– and in fact RCTs tend to have a rather conservative bias and indicate, when well-run, that most government programs are of null or negative use– but as a central or sole support for social science, they are deeply flawed. Before you can figure out how to change the world, you need to understand something about it, and part of that is just looking at the damn statistics all the agencies are collecting and trying to see the patterns. Focusing only on what can be done– on what rich people can do to poor people to make them different, as Deaton put it in a recent interview, is not only paternalistic but makes paternalism our only way of seeing the world. It also lessens our ability of conceiving a coherent picture of the world– there are merely random effects from one program or another, to be replaced ever onward with the next big thing.

    As Steve often points out, the patterns of social phenomena are often clear, and interesting, and important for figuring out the kinds of things that might work or might make things worse. But you have to observe those patterns first, before trying to make them different.

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  62. Not only are docs perhaps less likely to prescribe to blacks; I’ve read that the Mexican drug gangs find white customers to be more desirable customers than black customers; for example they are less likely to be violent and less likely to try to take over the business. So they try to avoid selling in black neighborhoods.

  63. I think Steve Sailer said that the British might have kept their American colonies if only they had given George Washington the British regular army commission that he craved.

    So the Crown treated Washington the way Washington treated Benedict Arnold, with similar results?

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  64. They certainly have made it very difficult to oversubscribe painkillers. On the flip side, if you’re not taking them regularly enough they’ll stop prescribing it and maybe even blacklist you. I know someone who was put on hydrocodone, and they made her take a blood test every doctor’s visit to make sure she was taking them. Apparently there is a very real problem with patients hoarding pills and selling them on the black market. For hydrocodone you can get up to $30 a pill.

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  65. I haven’t read much by Wendell Berry yet, one novel and a few essays, but he strikes me as the kind of vaguely leftist thinker who would appeal to Steve and the regular commenters here. His views on traditional agrarianism being the basis for a healthy society seem to have some overlap with similar views expressed by Victor Davis Hanson. Their views on war have no overlap–Berry is a Christian pacifist.

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  66. Agree 100%.

    We see some people, such as engineers and computer folks, rightly condemning Corporate America for brazenly swapping them for politically vulnerable and cheaper foreigners working under heavily gamed visa programs. But, yeah, a lot of similar complaining is simply dismissed as angry and irrelevant white trash who can be bought off with mumbo-jumbo, such as retraining and education.

    But, I don’t think most people yet understand how completely our masters have abandoned values that used to modulate bare-knuckled economic interest. Common ethnicity, benign respect for racial differences, common language, merit and seniority swapped solely for immediate price advantage, broad respect for community, benign respect for sexual differences, religious sentiment—pretty much all gone from our masters, or nearly so.

    Yeah, a benign white identity movement would offer, maybe, something like organizational and rhetorical efficiency, but how you’d do it without sounding like Hitler 2.0 is beyond me.

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  67. Black People Saved By Racism!

    Studies have found that doctors are much more reluctant to prescribe painkillers to minority patients, worrying that they might sell them or become addicted.

    “The answer is that racial stereotypes are protecting these patients from the addiction epidemic,” said Dr. Kolodny, a senior scientist at the Heller School for Social Policy and Management at Brandeis University and chief medical officer for Phoenix House Foundation, a national drug and alcohol treatment company. …

    #ThanksWhitey

    Guess who is not helping white people?

    President Barack Obama may have targeted opiate abuse in the second paragraph of his final State of the Union speech Tuesday, but Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) thinks the president could do a better job fighting the epidemic if he’d pick a new FDA boss who was not tied to Big Pharma.

    Manchin doesn’t count himself a cynic, but he told HuffPost in an interview Tuesday night that the Obama administration needs to do more to battle the epidemic of heroin and prescription painkiller abuse that is ravaging states like his. And he wonders how an FDA nominee who received significant income from big drug companies is going to do a good job slowing down those companies’ pushes to sell more — and more powerful — pain medications.

    Last year, the president nominated Robert Califf, who is currently the No. 2 official at the FDA, to lead the agency. But Califf’s ties to industry have raised questions among lawmakers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-herion-fda_56956fdce4b09dbb4bad0309

  68. So a bunch of losers couldn’t hack it? Cry me a river.

    This stuff doesn’t happen to the winners and beautiful people.

    I’m not trying to be mean. Just stating facts.

    Winners win. Losers lose

    Everyone on my social level is married with children and has a stable career.

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  69. I don’t know enough about the Benedict Arnold situation to know how much George Washington was personally involved and how much was Congress and other commanders. He was, by all accounts, a capable and brave commander at battles such as Valcour Island and Saratoga. I’ve also read that he became politically disenhanted when the United States refused a British offer of peae with American autonomy and voting representation in the British Parliament. But yes, there may be parallels there.

  70. “who have gotten ready access to cheap heroin and to prescription narcotic drugs.”

    Cheap heroin? Which Muslim country targeted for regime change does that come from? Also interesting is the demographic the soldiers are coming from is the same being destroyed by Afghan heroin.

    This article is a useful read. It is how people in newly fashionable Brooklyn, and really the rest of the elite, see drug dealing in their personal life.

    A Drug Dealer Talks Us Through All Her Different Types of Clients

    BLUE COLLAR KILLERS

    This buyer has an intense manual labor job that requires various extremes of physical discomfort—anything from standing on their feet all day, to hauling or lifting heavy things, to general construction jobs that can punish your body. I like Blue Collar clients, because I feel like what I’m selling them is an internal massage they can enjoy in the comfort of their own home.

    http://www.vice.com/read/a-drug-dealer-talks-us-through-all-the-different-types-of-clients

  71. Do they? Painkillers are much cheaper than other therapies for chronic pain e.g. physical therapy.

  72. I tried to agree but the little button wouldn’t let me. Anyway, yes.

  73. Then it might have something to do with middle-aged labourers trying to numb the pain and keep making money. I know a guy in Australia who took up heroine around age 50 just so he could make it through the work day and help pay for his daughter’s education.

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  74. So, environmental factors are the root cause for white young deaths while in-born tendencies are the root cause for minority youth deaths?

    Nope. The deaths of young people are the result of a myriad of genetic and environmental factors, with ideological policies—liberal or conservative—one of the contributing causes. HOW contributing? That depends on your school of thought.

    Although, I suppose there are some young white males out there would rather play victim by blaming SJW’s or affirmative action and going MGTOW rather than use their natural-born intelligence—since we all know whites have higher IQ’s than non-whites—to figure out a course of action to rectify their situation.

    Wilkey—“Religion is dead…”

    What do you actually mean? Could you please be specific?

    “…and what it traditionally meant to be an American is dead.”

    What traditions have died? Be specific rather than your normal vague self.

    Maj Kong—“The Cultural Marxism of the SJW has become the spiritual reservoir of our elite’s sycophants.”

    And HbD as become the gold standard pariah for some white conservative toadies. Tit for tat.

    Diversity Heretic—“If elites start seeing themselves dispossessed by blacks, Hispanics, East and South Asians, etc., than they might develop an identitarian perspective–they may never do it on behalf of the white “underclass.”

    How will these “elites” be dispossessed if they have the IQ and political acumen to make certain they remain “elitist”? Furthermore, what will the elites “never do on the behalf of the white underclass”? Is not the white underclass the same as ANY underclass? They are in that predicament for a myriad of reasons, one of which may be their own lack of initiative.

    “I suppose a large cohort of well-educated white men and women between their mid-30′s and early 50′s who find themselves unemployed or working survival jobs (“Do you want fries with that?”) while watching minorities doing well might beccome a force for revolution. But not until.”

A revolution for what? This group—white well-educated men and women—isn’t going to get their pitchforks and starting beheading Washington Beltway Boyzzz and Girlzzz. Rather, they are going to figure out a way to stay ahead of the game, like they have always done in the past, rather than be labeled as potential “victims” to “minority machinations”.

    
SFG—“Why can’t conservative destruction of unions and liberal destruction of families both kill blue-collar whites?”

Because people, not ideologies or guns, kill themselves.

    “We tend to form tribes and go ‘Blue Team, Red Team’ and pick one as the good one and one as the bad one, but really, there are two coalitions of pressure groups that go after what they want…”

    Making some sense here.

    “and it’s entirely possible for a group of people with nobody speaking for them to get screwed by both sides.”

Then you ruin it. “Nobody” speaking for blue-collar whites? They have spoken loudly over the decades. Ever listen to supporters of unions?

    “Turned out he was married to a lady of Asian extraction. I got invited to a birthday party, and met her sister…who was married to a white guy. So there were lots of kids running around who looked like they were from Kazakhstan.”

    White genocide, anyone? The Priss Factory, care to comment on this obvious breach of white male racial etiquette?

  75. Are they really high IQ? Personal experience tells me we are not getting anything smarter than what they are replacing.

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  76. It is what the data in the article suggests. Do you have another explanation?

  77. You have to remember that at the time “the Irish” – in the form of the Provisional IRA – had been killing large numbers of people

    Hindsight is 20/20 but that was a boneheaded thing for Sherman to say. If you put your police in a foreign country, you shouldn’t be surprised when you end up with dead policeman. The Republic of Ireland has gone from being the Puerto Rico of the British Isles to having a higher per capita income than the UK within a few generations of independence. Of course they want to rule themselves. British rule is oppressive and miserable. After everything is said and done, the island is called Ireland, and they’re the Irish.

    Even in England though the police were totally ineffective against the IRA. It wasn’t the filthy war in N. Ireland that brought peace, but the almost bloodless Thatcher era bombings that caused billions in damages and ground the English economy to a halt. The only solution to the fighting in Ireland was to stop fighting the Irish.

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  78. This maps onto a biological cycle: an organism sprouts; grows; flowers; then withers and dies.

    A little OT here but this is the bicentennial of the year without a summer, 1816, after the Tambora eruption a year earlier. The crop failures caused some famines; our ambassador to Britain was John Quincy Adams, and he records coming upon people starving in the street. It reminds me that life is never far from becoming a stark struggle.

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  79. I understand that hating the Irish is a solidarity and identity thing for certain English people and vice versa for certain Irish people. As far as that goes, I accept it. But it seems nearsighted when the dominant religious group on both islands will be Muslims within another 30 years.If I wanted to troll the sight, I would pose as a patriot of whatever euro country and constantly insult and air greivances against whoever their traditional enemies happened to be. That would be an excellent way to derail points and waste time on pointless and destructive tit for tat history.

  80. “The answer is that racial stereotypes are protecting these patients from the addiction epidemic,”

    Talk about “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.” We can’t win.

  81. From what I’ve seen in my own circle, it seems being on SSD/SSI/railroad disability itself is the kiss of early death, even without obesity, drugs or booze. I don’t get it, but suspect a lot of people with marginal disability (no real disease or handicap) trend downward more quickly than those out working and learning new things all the time.

    From the outside, though, they look like they “have it made,” to us worker drones.

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  82. Hasisim, Old Believers and Amish all live within self contained economies that give them work and purpose. Our economy must likewise be scaled down to human size. Eventually, sooner or later, technology will make all but maybe .0001% of us redundant.

  83. It sounds like he meant the ethnic Irish communities living in England.

    Here’s an IRA parade in Liverpool in 2008:

    Irish criminal gangs in England that are also pro-IRA and “anti-racist”:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/more-on-the-white-rioters-in-england/#more-16622-

  84. A few years back I was bitten in the leg by a pit bull. Nothing serious, but it took around 30 stitches. The doctor prescribed me hydrocodone for the pain. I was leery about taking it (there’s a history of drug/alcohol addiction in my family), and decided to use plain old aspirin instead. The aspirin was quite effective.

    I get the feeling that American doctors are a bit too quick on the draw when it comes to prescribing opiates.

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  85. When this topic is raised, I never tire of pointing out how aggressively the medical field pushed increased access to painkillers in the 1990s. Don’t blame it on the drug companies — they were very happy to profit off selling the stuff but it really did spring first from academic medicine (perhaps we could blame the drug companies for aggressively spreading the trend out to community physicians, but it was going to happen anyway).

    It strikes me that perhaps this is something like what Charles Murray identified with our elites not preaching what they practice and/or pushing things that work for the elite but not for normal folks. Having under-treated pain is horrible and if you’re in the elite the prospect of prescription drug abuse is small so there is only upside to more liberal prescription policies. It makes you less likely to ever suffer untreated pain. But that same trend reaches working class folks and causes as much destruction as benefit.

    Another point is that pain relief and reduced suffering isn’t captured in mortality statistics so there is no way to know what the balance of costs and benefits is — the costs are dead people, the benefits are fewer and less miserable people that aren’t measured in any systematic way. I doubt that the benefit here outweighs the cost but it’s still an angle worth considering.

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  86. A phyrric victory for them. Now they’ll have to fight about who’ll get the bigger part of the cake or pie (or even going a step further to get the whole pie/cake before the other).

  87. Try Google you might find out what the term means. Also a pro tip when being condescending is not to misspell words that make it look like you didn’t finish High School.

  88. true, it is much easier, less costly to feed and cloth oneself today than 40 years ago…also heroin and other drugs are less costly than 30 years ago.

    certainly appears there are less and less working class jobs, as manufacturing becomes more automated and efficient. Soon many more working class jobs will vanish. Not sure what the solution is. Certainly immigration makes our situation worse.

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  89. Off-topic,

    Idris Elba (the SWPL Black actor par excellence) says that UK TV needs way more Black actors:

    Luther star Idris Elba will tell MPs on Monday that a lack of diversity across British television is causing talented performers to be thrown on the scrapheap, and accuse the industry’s executives of not living in the real world.

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/jan/17/idris-elba-black-actors-lack-of-diversity-uk-television?CMP=twt_gu

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  90. @Dont worry high IQ Chinese and Indian immigrants will replace white soylent green.

    soylent yellow and soylent red.

  91. I agree with just about everything you said. The new morality is no match for the old we’ve destroyed.

    Pot-smoking is just ubiquitous. People get their little 215 card, then start selling and sharing all around. They can even order it off the internet and get instant home delivery. I’ve got neighbors on both sides that are complete stoners (and I’m NOT sympathetic about whatever ailment they may have).

    I wonder if the progress made on reducing tobacco smoking will be undone by all the pot smoking.

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    People who were just high school grads, or less, used to be able to find jobs doing something and get a fair income. Not anymore, that’s all gone. Now it’s all service jobs that are low paid. A person can’t save anything on those wages and there’s no pensions so they’ll end up trying to live on perhaps $1200 p/mo Social Security when they get old. Poverty now, poverty later. Not everyone can be a yuppie. Half the population is either average or below average so for them there’s no going to law school or becoming CEOs. Having to continually smile and dance in a service job for every jerk who walks in for the next 30-40 years can be a depressing thought. That there’s so many who see applying for a once-a-month disability check as a survival strategy is telling enough. No present, no future, people just see getting high as a good way to get through the day.

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  93. Florida has tightened up on prescription of painkillers, and rightly so. I knew a retired doctor who worked for a pain clinic who boasted to me “I have never made so much money in my life”. I know he told me they gave him $5000 per month to use his name on the letterhead, then $50 per patient seen and script written. He only ever prescribed three drugs– Oxycontin, Xanax, and one other, it may have been Flexeril, but I forget. Eventually he was arrested after a patient died in a local motel, and last I heard, he had pled innocent due to the fact that he claimed he had Alzheimer’s disease. (Whether he did, or not, I don’t really know. It is possible.)

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-06-10/story/court-records-show-how-pain-clinic-becomes-pill-mill

    Even the daughter of former state Governor Jeb Bush was involved in abuse of prescription drugs.

    Narcotics are still very widely prescribed to senior Medicare patients in Florida, even though they now have to go to a specialist pain clinic to obtain scripts for anything more than a very small amount and must register with just one pharmacy to receive the drugs, and so on, but I have a suspicion that it is fairly common for them to sell the pills to other family members for commercial distribution in the (neighbor)hood.

    For this reason it is often preferred these days to prescribe pain patches that are attached to the skin like band-aids, that typically last for 72 hours, dispensing narcotic at a steady rate per hour through the skin.

    However in my opinion the root cause of the problem is that physicians in the US overprescribe on several fronts, for example the huge number of naughty children placed on amphetamines to help them concentrate in school, or the huge numbers of American women who take antidepressants.. Thus the “pill for every ill” mentality is widespread.

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  94. This is a classic case of Durkheimian anomie that has afflicted remote indigenous communities, working class Glaswegians and post-communist Russians. A lethal concoction of economic deprivation and ethnic dissolution.

    This.

  95. They usually only replace in proportion to the population–there are still plenty of white slots in the overclass for you to bust your butt trying to get.

    The question is: is the proportion of smart whites who feel shortchanged by nonehites

    A) increasing
    B) decreasing
    C) unchanged

    Is it A), B), or C)?

    Because they mixed together with a large number of disaffected people from the left side of the Bell curve create the conditions for a revolution.

    They don’t have to be starving, or poor, in fact, it might be better if they aren’t. It’s enough if they are vice presidents leading a department when they feel they should be an executive.

  96. This is tragic.

    I thought that prescription painkillers kill twice what heroin does, but I may be mistaken.

    While it may not be easy to stop the Mexican heroin cartels, it would seem that stopping domestic pill mills would not be so difficult.

    And perhaps Trump could work out a deal with the Mexicans.

    Update: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/serving-all-your-heroin-needs.html?referer=

    Also, my thoughts are with H.B. I hope things work out.

  97. True.

  98. […] Sailer: Forecasting a Million Muslim Mob; The White Death; White People Keep Offending by […]

  99. Read Dreamland: The True Tale of America’s Opiate Epidemic by Sam Quinones. It’s a microscopic view of the Corporate/Leftist campaign against white America where big Medicine and big Pharma push synthetic heroin (Oxycontin, etc.) on white people (and are allowed to) while the racist left holds open the border and allows scum from Mexico to deliberately target white areas that never had an opiate problem with black tar heroin. A must read. This is deliberate racist mass-murder from the System against whites. At the very least it’s a case of extreme depraved indifference which amounts to the same thing. Look at the crickets that have greeted these statistics and then say it’s not hate. All subsidized by Medicaid, BTW.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U19DTS0/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1

  100. I somewhat agree with you, but Thatcher and Reagan were the best conservatives could raise and get into office. The alternative was Ted Kennedy/Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale/Paul Tsongas/Michael Dukakis etc.

    Modern governance is about giving things away; giving to corporate business; giving to various ethnic groups; giving to various immigrant groups; giving to various socio-economic groups. That conservative political leaders can, at best, just slow the rate of growth of this giving speaks more to the tenor of the times than their personal failings.

  101. The real problem is not the work itself – there are worse jobs than taking orders for hamburgers (a job that will be gone soon, BTW). Being nice to people never killed anyone if you are willing to forego the gigantic chip on your shoulder. The old assembly line type jobs were mostly miserable – mind numbing repetition and the widgets just kept coming at you hour after hour, day after day. But at least you got decent wages and benefits.

    The real problem is the low pay, but they pay can’t go up because there is just not a lot of value added by punching an order terminal.

    It completely goes against our Calvinist values (and in part, human nature itself) to recognize the End of Work, so instead we back into the same result by having millions of people on “disability”, pursuing “education”, etc. (while at the same time bringing in even more people from abroad). It’s becoming increasingly clear that due to automation, globalization, etc. there just aren’t as many jobs (especially high paying jobs) as there are people and we aren’t going to be able to roll back the clock to the point where everyone has at least a unionized job on the assembly line when they finish high school (or drop out at 16). We need some sort of new paradigm for what people with no prospects for meaningful employment can do to put meaning in their lives, because neither the capitalist system nor the government is going to provide it. No one, left or right, is really thinking clearly about this because we are stuck with our old moral paradigms and don’t understand this as a structural or technological problem – the poor are “lazy” or capitalists are exploiting the masses or whatever, when the problem goes far beyond that.

    A further problem is that SOME people are still going to have to work – it’s not the End of Work for everyone. It would be fairer if EVERYONE got to stay home but no matter how many robots there are, that’s not going to happen. So do the minority who still work have to support those who don’t (they are doing that already to some extent) and to what standard of living? Is this really fair and how do we decide who has to work and who gets a free ride? Do those who aren’t working have to make some contribution to society if it can’t be in the form of what we normally understand as work? What is a healthy substitute for work instead of the drugs, obesity, etc. that many non-workers are choosing?

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  102. You are right that factory jobs or sweat shop jobs (like sewing linings into mink coats 8 hours a day 50 years ago) were not very fulfilling but at least you could go on automatic but the pay was sufficient to live decently. Not so today.

    One point I was making is that a lot of people just aren’t that gregarious so service jobs with a lot of personal interaction is not for them. For that matter, it’s not for me, either. I spent most of my work career — whatever I was doing — working alone.

    I remember reading decades ago some French historians discussing how the silk industry got started in Normandy (or something). Basically there were too many people and they were migrating to the towns to live, and there was nothing for them to do. So some charities put them to work making things. And then it became important to make those things.

    Most people need certain things to function optimally. #1, they need a community that has certain external values or benchmarks of accomplishment or conduct. This doesn’t mean that you have to go to church or town hall every week, it means that there is healthy community, and its values, that you can measure against. This is hard to do in our Age of Perpetual Offense.

    #2, People need something to keep them busy during the day, especially something that deals with reward circuitry. And , especially for young people, and average or below average intelligence people, something that burns off a lot of calories.

    #3, People need something that will give them enough money so that they can have some ambitions, like, having a home, getting married, having children, raising them, etc. Two problems here: The money (as you note) is not there, but, second, the trajectory of married with children has been devalued by the community because it microagresses against some tiny minority. So in fact there is no community reinforcement for living a healthy, meaningful, life, even if the money was there.

    I think some measure of socialism or increased taxation, in terms of creating work (our infrastructure sure needs it), and providing decent pay, would do something to solve the problem. There’s plenty of work that doesn’t have an upfront profit that can and probably should be done. But that involves taxes and government, etc.

    Creating a more salubrious cultural climate, in which working stiffs are honored for doing their jobs, and encouraged to take up the burden of marriage, children, etc. — that’s going to be a lot harder.

    We’ll see where we are in a few years. It’s not like there’s anything we can actually do.

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  103. It is more than a lack of opportunity. America hate white people. Hates them to death.

  104. That was a great comment, along with SPMoore8′s answer to it.

  105. but how you’d do it without sounding like Hitler 2.0 is beyond me.

    Sooooo… let’s not worry whether it sounds like Hitler 2.0. “RACIST” as a shut-up word only works so long as YOU *care* what they think.

  106. I don’t think it’s purely a class thing (though there is some correlation). We see drug addiction in all income groups. Rather it is a question of addictive vs. non-addictive personality. I have been prescribed pain killers – mostly they make me constipated and I can’t wait to get off of them as soon as I am healed. I get no real pleasure from them. I like to have a glass or two of wine with dinner but many nights I don’t have any and it doesn’t bother me in the least. But others take one pill or one drink and develop intense cravings. It’s not fair to me that I should have to suffer intense pain after surgery because there are some people who are addictive personalities. I’m hoping that someday they will be able to find the genetic markers or otherwise test for addiction potential so they will know who can be safely medicated and who can’t.

    BTW, one possibility for why the latest epidemic has not struck minorities as hard is that most of the blacks with addictive personalities have died off or kicked the habit over the last 50 years with the heroin epidemic , the crack epidemic, the AIDs epidemic (which killed IV drug users), etc. while the addictive potential of the white population was not completely exploited until recently. Once upon a time if you were a rural white, there was just no convenient way to get opiates (whereas there was a drug dealer on every street corner in Harlem) but now there is.

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  107. The purpose of religion is to save souls and prepare them for eternity. This point often gets overlooked by those who rightly recognize that the Christian (Catholic, not Protestant) religion is also responsible for producing the strongest civil society the world has ever seen, and that the decline of religion has gone hand-in-hand with the decline of society.

    Asian people are not really doing well. China, Japan, and Korea all have sub-replacement birthrates and are suffering from the modernist anomie in one way or another. They do have a salvageable cultural machinery in place, but they need Christianity as much as anyone.

  108. Your post is a memo to autistic libertarians, capitalists, and progressives. Well done. It’s really come down to this: we can have some semi-socialist WPA to get bodies moving again for physical, moral, economic, and spiritual improvement, or continue down the path of gangsterism, white death, and welfare culture. Most humans are lazy, and there will never be the “liberation” that libertarians and progs imagine is going to happen, whether you “empower” people with free markets or a responsibility-free nanny state.

    If anyone else has a better alternative, please suggest it. My limited brain can’t think of anything else that’s going to work.

  109. They’re called “controlled substances” for a reason.

    Rogue doctors and physicians-to-the-stars aside, my experience in trying to get doctors to prescribe opioids for my failed spinal surgery hasn’t been that drugs are easy to get. Tightly controlled right up and down the supply chain–from doctor to drugstore to the DEA. Most doctors are scared shitless about prescribing narcotics.

    In fact, there’s even been a Medicare scam invented by drug testing companies who prey on nervous doctors. I get my urine randomly tested for the drugs I’m prescribed–time-release morphine–but also for PCP, heroin, meth, Ecstasy, LSD, and more. You name the street drug, and I’m tested for it. Why? I’m 77 years old, for chrissakes!

    The deal is that testing companies are profiting big time with unnecessary lab assays of drugs you’ll find in about one in 10,000 people my age. The tests cost around $500 apiece and Medicare is meekly picking up the tab (albeit at the usual discount it applies to all billings). So far as I know, other than a Wall Street Journal exposé, the taxpayer ripoff goes on unabated.

  110. Murray’s book suggests that religiosity is lower among lower or working class whites, in general, than among those with higher SES. The exceptions (such as Amish, or Mennonites) don’t have these social problems.

    It does indeed look like the same phenomenon as in Russia in the 90s, or among Native Americans on their reservations. The death of a culture and way of life reflected in individual tragedies.

  111. It’s too bad that all this technological progress occurred against the backdrop of the moral and religious decline.

    An increase in productivity that frees up some time is usually the precursor to a cultural flowering or Renaissance, if it occurs among a psychologically healthy people.

    But instead, we get deconstructionism and Dadaism.

  112. Indeed. But the water is rising.

    You can chortle at your cohort members who lived too low, but their loss represents a reduction in the ecosystem that created and sustains you. Having your world shrink is not a good thing.

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    I think this is key.

    It’s partially a misperception based on the people they come into contact with being mostly SJWs or controlled by SJWs: TV, teachers, police, housing etc but misperception or not it mostly works.

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    The same thing is happening – self-medicating depression with drugs and alcohol – but the lethality is different.

    I suspect it’s the combination more lethal options (opioids) combined with less social housing. If the alternative is homelessness then riskier drugs may seem less risky.

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    Not true.

    The unions were out of hand, partly due to the Cold War and soviet influence, and Thatcher allied with the banking mafia to deal with the unions probably not realising the banking mafia would destroy Britain much more completely than the unions ever could.

    It was the mass unemployment after the mass off-shoring that led to under class dysfunction.

    Skinheads were a reaction to the violence, especially sexual violence, caused by disproportionately male mass blue collar immigration. The media covered up the immigrant gangs of the time and demonized the response – same as they’re doing over Cologne – same as the media have done everywhere in the West for 50 years.

  116. Thatcher gutted British heavy industry and manufacturing. That was going to have negative impact socially no matter what.

    No difference than what happened here after NAFTA and PNTR China were signed in by Slick.

    And yes deindustrializatin in both cases hammered white working class families something terrible. Government and big business killed their futures, families and communities with a stroke of a pen.

    This can’t be fixed until we renegotiate NAFTA and other treaties and penalizing companies importing foreign workers to replace American ones.

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  117. A good portion of those working-class Southerners now hooked on opiates are those who lost their construction-related jobs during the housing implosion. The South is still growing at a healthy rate but there’s probably 1/3 less jobs in that sector than at the peak.

  118. Guaranteed Basic Income with Restrictions.

    Those that are capable and willing can add to it for themselves.

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  119. Agree that doctors are overprescribing opiates. When I have had surgery, injuries, or even a bad cough, they have given me a month’s supply of hydrocodone pills (or cough syrup with hydrocodone). So easy to get addicted or OD on that stuff but they give it out like candy.
    I have known at least one person from HS and college who fell into the trap this article talks about (pills then heroin). I suspect there are others, but I didn’t do that good of a job staying in touch with them.

  120. Whites are a lot better at doing the work of manipulating healthcare systems and networking through their white collar friends until they can find a doctor(s) or pill mill who will fill their opiate prescriptions.

    Blacks are also more apt to do their drugs with friends. Pain pill abuse is generally done alone, often in conjunction with alcohol.

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    bull

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    Exactly – look at the distribution – Appalachia (especially coal fields) and the Great Lakes.

    It’s heavy industry land – and a job at Walmart doesn’t compensate.

  123. We either stop the globalists sending our best jobs overseas (which only benefit the Davos class) and just keeping the nasty and demeaning service sector jobs and we end up circling the drain like Greece and become someones b**ch who retains their industrial and manufacturing capacity.

    And we need to stop importing people, period. More people = lower wages and benefits.

  124. Exactly.

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    Does the West need to believe in Christianity in order to thrive? Aren’t the Northeast Asians doing fine

    I think you need some kind of priesthood or religion or ideology that actively maintains cultural health.

    In Asia they have things like Confucious, ancestor worship etc.

    The western problem is Christianity was undermined and replaced with cultural poison, PC.

    The solution is to purge PC and then either reinvigorate Christianity or replace it with something else that does the same job e.g. HBD.

  126. That eruption led to a major westward migration from New England to the Midwest (mostly Ohio and Indiana) as well as an increased number of immigrants from the British Isles and Central Europe. There were major famines in Switzerland and other central European countries, and a major famine (and subsequent typhus epidemic) in Ireland.

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    That is, the reason the NYTimes is doing this analysis of young adult white death rates is because Case & Deaton found the remarkable rise in middle-aged white death rates a few months ago, and the reason that the finding made such a stir was that Deaton had won the economics quasi-Nobel a few days before.

    They’re doing it to divert attention from the main reasons
    - mass under and unemployment caused by off-shoring and mass immigration
    - combined with the relentless anti-white propaganda coming out of the media 24/7 especially the NYT.

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    But, I don’t think most people yet understand how completely our masters have abandoned values that used to modulate bare-knuckled economic interest.

    Yes, the new elite don’t care about the public good at all and if that was America’s edge in the past then it will go down as that edge is lost.

    The most visible consequence will be in relation to China overtaking the US. It won’t be just China going up; it will be a mixture of that and the US going down.

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  129. Millennials in my neck of the woods have switched from pills to heroin because the former are now (because of laws requiring electronic records of prescriptions) too expensive, and too hard to obtain even by the kids with rich daddies. Of course, fatal overdoses are more likely with heroin than pills, since both the quality and the quantity of the dosage is harder to ascertain with horse. They’re dropping like flies around here, and no one seems to care.

    When I was a kid, heroin was the expensive addiction. The more things change . . .

  130. Have to agree. I live in a upper-middle class area – household incomes ~$140k to ~$200k – and I’ve never heard one person mention the plight of working-class whites. Never. And these are generally conservative, tech-job/management whites, with a few liberals sprinkled in.

    Middle-aged, upper-middle class white men – at least in my area – with very good analytical skills have an amazing tunnel vision, as you called it. They seem completely oblivious to the larger consequences of having their lawns mowed by Hispanics, their meals cleaned up by Hispanics, their house worked on by a white foreman with Hispanics for lower-skill work, etc.

    If it doesn’t impact their world, they don’t see it. They have no loyalty beyond their family. Heck, the concept that they should worry about their fellow whites seems as foreign to them as the concept that other ethnic groups do worry about members of their tribe.

    I just don’t see how a racial/ethnic group like that will survive in a world of instant communication and cheap travel costs. No matter how talented a group may be (and whites are pretty damned talented), you can’t win a fight if you don’t show up. Heck, we don’t even know that we’re in a fight.

    Maybe my friends and neighbors do harbor the same concerns as I do, but simply keep quiet about them. However, they know how I feel, and not one has ever told my, even in private, that they agree.

    As the Derb says, We are Doomed!

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  131. A couple of observations:

    1. Black people HAVE a social network, its called GANGS. Hence less suicide. Even by drugs. There is also far less tendency among Blacks for suicide than Whites and Asians, well documented. A racial difference.

    2. White women would prefer the tingles than beta male support. Or as Heartiste/Roissy noted, five minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta. Even among depressed working class areas, there are beta males who can provide beta male support. And why are not the prettiest of the young women in West Virginia and Ohio and Kentucky and Tennessee in White working class areas not migrating en-masse to Silicon Valley and landing themselves a nice, beta male provider engineer?

    Women, and yes HBD’ers this includes pedastalized White women, would risk death for tingles than have security and safety. The only force known to man or woman that counteracts that is slut-shaming by other women. See Austen, Jane.

    3. This situation seems eerily similar to the Yeltsin era disaster, where the Russian nation just drifted until Putin came in and restored nationalism and religion, including BTW a very Multiculturalist approach to religion. Which means jailing not only Pussy Riot for insulting Orthodox worshipers, but also anyone who insults Islam or Muslims.

    The LAT today has a front page story on “Activists Stoke Homophobia in St. Petersburg.” The jist of the story is that a “homophobic wolf” as he he calls himself, Timur Bulatov, uses the St. Petersburg law banning promotion of homosexuality among minors to get gays and lesbians fired from their jobs. The law is rarely enforced but employers don’t like to take chances.

    Buried lede — Bulatov is a devout … MUSLIM. Also the law in St. Petersburg served as the model for the law nationally.

    4. Religion IS dead. What does the Catholic Church offer? Rapefugee Immavasion and Muslim worship. What does the Protestant church(es) offer? Rick Warren style weepy worship of Blacks and Third Worlders as sacred objects of racial redemption and White original sin, with variations found among mainline and evangelical Protestant groups. So too is nationalism, with NFL football and MLB a poor substitute for regional identity.

    This is of course not set in stone, Putin’s example of reviving Russian nationalism with a very Multicultural Identity, requiring MUTUAL respect and enforcement, not just a one-way street, is instructive.

    But that is how things stand now.

  132. Britain is like 3% Black. Black Brits seem to punch above their weight both in the UK and the USA. There’s a burgeoning Nollywood industry they could potentially enter into as well.

    Idris should count his blessings and keep quiet.

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  133. The first time I crossed the Atlantic from Britain was in 1980. At that time Eastern Airlines was still flying, and they served a hot breakfast with scrambled egg, sausages, bacon, and coffee on the flight down from New York to Bermuda.

    These days you don’t get a meal on a flight. It is hard to even find anything decent to eat at an airport, all the snack locations having been commandeered by franchise chains selling inedible food at prices that are hard to stomach.

    This is all part of the gradual decline in living standards that has imperceptibly imposed itself everywhere.

    In Animal Farm the dumber animals like the sheep and the goats had vague feelings that things had changed since the early days of the Revolution, but they could not quite remember what. In the same way, milk in coffee has been replaced with fake milk, butter on toast has been replaced with fake butter, bread has been replaced with sugary fake bread, but no one really remembers if it was ever any different.

    The exportation of industrial jobs to the far east is part of it, but what remained of decent jobs is rapidly being killed off by the Internet.

    I grew up in England in the 50′s and 60′s. My family was not wealthy. My mother was a nurse and my father was a salesman and was paid a pretty low base salary and no commission, though he did get the very valuable perk of the free use of a car at a time when most people could not afford one. However 50 years ago, even though we did not yet have color television, it seems to me that we had a better overall standard of living than most people do today in the large city in Florida where I am writing this–and I enter several homes daily in a variety of zip codes.

    So, yes, I think the elevated death rate of younger whites from drug overdoses IS just part of the slow Decline and Fall of the American Empire. The Interstate Highways and clean water systems will probably be around for quite a while yet–though recent news from Flint makes that questionable–but eventually our civilization will crumble. Probably we are already at the beginning of the end, and to future archeologists and historians our great cities will look like the Mayan pyramids of today, and they will ask “Whatever happened to the Paleotechno-Americans? They just disappeared from history around 2050.”

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    When I broke my arm in the 70′s as a child, I wasn’t given any pain killers in the emergency room until my mom asked for a shot of something. The pain wasn’t really that bad, just a dull ache. I’ve have stomach aches and head aches with much more pain.

    They didn’t even give me any pain killers or IV when they set my arm. The doctor came in and looked at the x-rays and then took hold of my arm and snapped it back into place. It was a clean break of the ulna and radius, so it fit nicely back into place like a cleanly broken pencil.

    The next day I had zero pain.I don’t even remember taking anything for pain. I hear people take quite a lot for pain for a week or so after a break.

    I don’t know why I didn’t have any pain.

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  135. I guess the Sailer-identified protective power of country music is not working for these folks .

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    From what I’ve seen in my own circle, it seems being on SSD/SSI/railroad disability itself is the kiss of early death, even without obesity, drugs or booze. I don’t get it,

    Those people have thrown in the towel and have just given up on life. They’ve reached the point where waiting for a lousy disability check to arrive just one time each month is pretty much all they can look forward to from here on in. People die psychologically first and then later on physically.

  137. Basic assembly line jobs were always mind-numbing, but they were what the lowest common denominator could do. But machinists, millwrights, boilermakers, sheet metal fabricators, industrial pipefitters, etc. were all skilled trades and required thinking to do as well as manual heft. A first rate toolmaker not only needs better vision and dexterity than a general surgeon, it takes as long to train one. When you have to manufacture, you need those people.

    3D printing and CNC multiaxis machines have not eliminated the toolmaker, though they have changed his job a lot. You’d think companies would just generate their own patterns and core box molds this way, but “it hasn’t happened yet”.

  138. Those who cannot find a productive niche, shall not breed. It sounds cruel, but in the long run it’s the least barbaric.

  139. Agree. Reminds me of something some time ago from here, where you might find affinities

    http://dappledthings.org/

  140. OT but Steve Sailer is not the only one to have his material used without attribution by the MSM. It’s becoming more and more common to see the MSM pick up on something noticed days, weeks, or even months earlier by a real journalist, i.e., those working outside MSM approved venues; crib from this source without attribution; and then produce a puerile, spun, or downright misleading presentation of the issue.

    About a week ago Ann Coulter produced a detailed analysis of the problems Ted Cruz’s presidential candidacy might face as a result of the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” clause. Her analysis was replete with citations of court decisions, analyses of terms of art, and a past history of the clause’s application. http://www.vdare.com/articles/coulter-on-cruzs-ineligibility-were-all-ruth-bader-ginsburg-now

    Now, after pooh-poohing the issue for an extended period the NYT attempts to cover the same ground as Ms. Coulter. But evidently – and perhaps unsurprisingly – the NYT appears to doubt the ability of its readers’ to operate at the same level of sophistication as Ms. Coulter’s readers. The NYT article is indeed weak tea. Its closest attempt to emulate Ms. Coulter’s erudition is to seek an extempore opinion from Mr. Tribe of the Harvard Law School, an always safe source for the MSM legal reporter with a deadline. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/us/politics/it-may-be-time-to-resolve-the-meaning-of-natural-born.html?_r=0

    How can anyone take any person or institution within the MSM echo chamber seriously as more and more of these examples pile up?

  141. American society seems to have become wussified with respect to pain – has become excessively pain-averse. Pain is part of life, as you get older, certainly. There is is often a trade-off between pain and life.

  142. Interesting theory, probably some truth to that.

    After giving birth to my second child, I was offered two Vicodins for pain. I said, Well, just one, please — I figured if people get addicted to these things, they must be really strong.

    It really didn’t do anything for me so later on I asked for the second Vicodin. The nurses had changed shifts so they looked at me like I was some shifty druggie.

    So yeah, agreed on how painkillers are just not that great, at least to some people!

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  143. Off topic, Trump should second Sanders on the proposal for a federal investigation into each death taking place in police custody. I think that’s a great idea. We insist on sending a cop to every traffic accident that causes more than $x in damages, or something like that. Why not fly an investigator or two out to Athens, OH or GA to give each state-caused death the sniff test, like Tribunes of the People.

    I hate Sanders, though. I can’t believe he’d take credit for rushing to pass a bill to toss additional billions at the VA in the wake of its collapse under his Chairmanship of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee. He never held a hearing on the issue despite by his own admission receiving report after report that there was a problem. That the media lauds his bill and is silent regarding his complete failure of oversight, his effective abdication of his Constitutional duty, is more evidence that they have a side.

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  144. Thanks and props to all commenters. I learned something. My personal feeling is the increase in white mortality from cirrhosis, etc. is very big, but I’m still processing it.

  145. Wrong charts

    Ground zero is Kentucky + WV. Followed by Ohio and Penn….

    http://www.ncsl.org/portals/1/ImageLibrary/WebImages/Health/PDO-2013-Map.jpg

  146. There are clearly big bucks in painkillers — hence the desire to cut corners…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/french-drug-trial-one-person-in-coma-and-five-critically-ill

  147. [In fact the dysfunction decreased while she was in power and increased after she left. So no, it’s not obvious at all. It is pretty obviously a welfare state thing]

    Some evidence of this claim about something or other decreasing would be welcome, if supplying evidence was something that you ever did. Also, if you think Thatcher abolished or shrunk a welfare state which was promptly restored when she left power, you are ignorant – but then we know that about you already.

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    No it isn’t.

    By the way, if you are going to put on airs, use proper spelling.

  149. Ivan Illich’s book Tools for Conviviality might be an answer to work.

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  150. Yes, let’s remember the propaganda about “untreated chronic pain” back in the 90′s. It’s how we got medical marijuana, now everywhere as I’ve commented before. It was the same garbage with how more and easier mortgages were going to be so great for society and the economy, until it blew up in our faces.

    Remember all this the next time you hear unctuous liberals going on about the next big change and how great it’s going to be.

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  151. This single reached #60 on Billboard’s Hot 100 last year:

  152. SSD/SSI/railroad disability

    Don’t forget the police and firewhiner early disability retirements. In my 100K pop. city a full 25% of all police & fire retirees are out on early, full disability retirements. Just last week one cop went out on a lifetime disability pension after just five years on the force. There’s no investigative follow up, so these guys spend their days out on their boats, on the golf course, or working on their houses. These guys are living the life of leisure, so, I guess these guys are not the ones in the downward death spiral. Many (most? all?) other cities, big (Boston) and small are in the same situation.

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    Blue Disconnect.

    Immigrant vs Liberal Privilege.

    http://observer.com/2016/01/poor-and-traumatized-at-harvard/

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  154. A few months back I received a text message from a number I didn’t recognize – “got any roxies?”

  155. Current insect.

  156. Eire owes the UK billions of pounds that it needed to borrow after the financial crash of 2008!

    Only recently has Eire been relatively wealthy in any case. By all accounts it was a very oppressive and poor country up until the 1980′s. Which is why so many Irish came to live in the UK.

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  157. I just don’t see how a racial/ethnic group like that will survive in a world of instant communication and cheap travel costs. No matter how talented a group may be (and whites are pretty damned talented), you can’t win a fight if you don’t show up. Heck, we don’t even know that we’re in a fight.

    It’s even worse than that. Whites have a belief that “kindness to strangers” will be rewarded with a higher place in heaven. Thus the young and able are off with NGOs to third world countries, or agitating for more Somali immigrants, or cheering on more affirmative action, etc.

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  158. It’s not complicated.

    The things that give meaning to people’s lives are only four:

    family, community, religion and a good job.

    “A good job” can be: a) a meaningful job b) a meaningless job that is well paid so it allows you to support a family

    Cultural Marxism and modern capitalism destroyed all of them. The Left and the Right converged in an atomized worldview where family, community, religion and good jobs were to be replaced by pleasure and money (and consumption) as the new goals of life.

    If you don’t have money (because of outsourcing and automation) and you can’t resort to family, community, religion or good jobs (because they are disappearing), what’s left? Only pleasure. You can get pleasure by using drugs or having meaningless sex but, after a time, this gets old. Nihilistic despair ensues.

    So, if you don’t have anything to live for, why should you live?

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  159. The west will decline without Christianity, there is no doubt about that in my mind.

    Secular atheist types believe religions are an illusion. This all goes back to a Greek philosopher called Epicurus who believed the there was no meaning to the world and religion and it was better to live with this belief than have the comforting illusion of a religion.

    I think that believing Christianity is an illusion leads ultimately to despair and madness, and allows powerful liars to raise themselves above us and exploit us in various ways for their own pleasures.

    Ultimately all religion is a search for truth, and all such searches if conducted in good faith should lead to God. If Christianity is the most truthful vision of God we have been given then a search for truth will ultimately lead there. Christianity has a very powerful vision of a loving God, who cares about his creation.

    Arguably the destruction of the idea that truth exists at the hands of powerful atheists or materialists or whatever is the reason that madness and exploitation is the result in a society dominated by such ideas. We cannot live without a search for truth, it is why God endowed us with the perceptions we have.

    Although many atheists claim there is no truth, this is wrong of course and simply a claim which allows the claimant to do and say whatever they want in life. The fact is there must be a truthful description of creation. I don’t see how anything could exist at all without it.

    One thing to beware of in the area of religion is that powerful liars can also exploit others in the area of religion. This can be very common in pluralist societies where paganism and new age types abound. They will usually claim that every belief made is true, a claim which cannot be true.

    In some Christian and atheist circles Christian belief is reduced to being a vehicle which makes people more social and charitable. In other words Christians who hold this view see Christianity as an illusion which is good for society. This in my view is an example of how powerful liars can rise above us and deceive us. Christianity is ultimately about caring for others and believing in God.

    As to other societies which have existed without Christianity, all have some form of religious belief and all religious belief is a search for the truth and will have more of less truth in them. Even religious belief given by men who don’t believe in anything themselves can have some imperfect truth. Even evil societies will exist, but great injustice will also exist in those societies. God as understood in Christianity wishes us to live justly and rid ourselves of exploitation of others.

    I am a Catholic by the way. These are my personal views here. Hope it helps.

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  160. “Guaranteed Basic Income with Restrictions.

    Those that are capable and willing can add to it for themselves.”

    I agree. It’s Charles Murray’s solution. But can only work with severe immigration restrictions. Otherwise the whole world comes to the US and gets a guaranteed basic income.

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  161. We should be studying pain, how it works and how it can be minimized or relieved without using addictive substances.

    I do not mean to minimize the current addiction problems we have at all.

    But linking real pain to addiction with the idea that the pain can be dismissed or is faked or should be made a secondary consideration while addiction or addiction potential should be primary considerations is wrong, in my opinion.

    Certainly we are spending tens of billions of dollars — if not hundreds of billions of dollars — on extra medical, criminal justice and lost jobs and work hours, etc. because we don’t have adequate nonaddictive pain medicine.

    We need to spend lots more time and money on creating more effective, nonaddictive drugs for pain. If the actual problem here got solved, it would be a blessing for everyone.

  162. Great comment. Thanks for sharing.

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    The cities are all either at or heading to 50%+ non-white so he probably gets it from that.

  164. Massively off-topic:

    China is known for building ambitious infrastructure projects, and finding humans to populate them after the fact. Sometimes, it doesn’t go according to plan. This is one of those times.

    Meet the Pentagonal Mart, a gargantuan, $200 million shopping complex inspired by the US Pentagon, which has the dubious honor of being the largest vacant building in Shanghai. According to the People’s Daily News, the 70-acre mall was completed in 2009 and remains virtually empty to this day, “mainly because of its location and confusing inner structures.” Hmm, minor planning details.

    http://gizmodo.com/chinas-enormous-derelict-shopping-mall-does-not-bode-we-1753562570

  165. Agree 100%

  166. My personal belief is that there is no God (I see no real evidence for one and the universe seems to make more sense without one), but religion is an evolved human adaptation and rejecting it is unhealthy.

    So I don’t believe in God, but don’t go running around trying to convince people of the fact. I’m only posting this because I doubt anyone will be swayed. ;)

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  167. There actually was untreated chronic pain. The problem is we don’t have painkillers that don’t cause addiction or liver or kidney failure yet. I don’t see any problem with high-dose opioids for, say, cancer patients.

  168. 1. Immigration Hiatus
    2. Guaranteed Basic Income with Restrictions.

  169. Oh, you you say the Irish Republic was oppressive and poor. More or less so though than under English rule? How many famines have their been since independence? How many Irish have been sold into slavery in the Caribbeann? How many of its own citizens has the republic publicly massacred in recent decades? I don’t recall reading about any bloody Sundays in the south.

    And you think a financial crisis or loan somehow mitigates all of this or figures into it in any prominent way? We could argue about the extent to which Ireland has recovered in the last decade or about this or that given economic indicator, but my only real point here is that Ireland is a much more prosperous and happy place than it was under English rule. Do you even disagree with me? What exactly is your point?

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    Without data supporting claims you can get away with any kind of babble…just like this comment.

    When the White Death data is disaggregated by state, there’s a correlation between prevalence of evangelical Christianity in a state and White Death intensity.

    If anything the kind of Christianity mainly practiced in America increases the White Death.

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  171. ^I meant to Hasidim and not Hasisim.

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  172. I think you’re starting to see a sort of white identity movement with Trump. Benign, dysplastic, or malignant…who knows?

    I can see a couple of ways they could do things.

    They could argue for color-blindness, which might draw in some Asians and Indians but might be seen as too idealistic, as well as failing to draw in the far-right.

    They could go the straight Nazi/white-nationalist route, which would be intellectually consistent but limit their appeal. Hitler still has a bad name.

    They could play up the working-class thing and be a white working-class party. I’m not sure how this gets done but the white working class is the group that is not being served by modern American politics.

    I suspect a balanced strategy of ‘we’re not against other groups, we’re just standing up for our own interests’ might work best, but I honestly don’t know.

    I suspect, given the durability of the two-party system, in the next few decades you’ll probably see a frankly ethnic Democratic Black-Hispanic alliance with a decreasing number of liberal whites, against a mix of mostly Southern and Midwestern whites with some Hispanics and part-whites who don’t identify with the underclass. Basically, I think you’ll see white identity politics with watered-down standards for ‘white’ so that people who aren’t pure Caucasian but don’t want to act like ghetto thugs (or barrio boys) can join.

    I don’t predict anything more than two or three decades out–history’s just too chaotic.

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  173. Well, the Hashishim did have a sense of work and purpose, just not one I think anyone wants to look up to…

  174. There’s a song about your idea.

  175. The Existentialists had some interesting answers to exactly that question, but I think they only work for about 1% of the population.

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  176. Anonymous: that to which one reacts does not define one. I am not defending whatever it is in your mind that signifies “if anything The kind of Christianity mainly practiced.” However, for the love of God, try to feel a little awareness of the limits of your reasoning powers. Perhaps you can start with feeling a little love in your heart for those who are inclined, in the middle of their sinfulness, to wonder if the word of the Lord might be a path to finding the love that has been denied them for so long? The end of that logical road will, be, I hope, a realization that Jesus died for your sins, because he wants you to he happy, and wants you to rejoice in the happiness of others. Not everything that sounds like babbling is, in fact, babbling.

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  177. Trump will never do that. His whole appeal is to working-class whites, who are sick of crime, by NAMs or others, and are fine with the occasional killing by cop if it’s needed to keep order.

    Can that be abused by a tyrannical government? Oh yes it can.

  178. Oh, and I’ve got just the name for the ‘sorta white but close enough for government work’ group:

    Ladies, gentlemen, and LGBTCBY people, I give you: Off-White Nationalism!

    You heard it here first!

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  179. The personal computer was supposed to be a tool for conviviality but instead people just sit alone and watch porn.

    The problem with guarantied income is how do you keep people with no work to do from becoming depressed with boredom and self-medicating with drug, alcohol, food, etc.? Humans like to feel that they are useful.

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  180. didn’t know where to post this gem from the harvard of the pacific northwest. i live in portland. it is whackadoodle central. never having been around scary types (aa population of oregon is 2 percent or so) the lily white people here have some interesting notions about nam’s.

    https://www.pcc.edu/about/diversity/cascade/whiteness-history-month/whiteness.html

  181. Either you care about other people or you don’t. You can not care about other people and still be the next Picasso or an Oscar winner or a cigar connoisseur. But all the winners in life care about other people. Something the existentialists “qua” Existentials missed.

  182. In the long term, blacks and Hispanics lose since there will be fewer whites to tax to pay for the social goodies that Democrat-controlled local governments give to minorities in return for votes.

  183. I was similar in that I felt no pain while tearing my ACL or in the aftermath of surgery. But I am very sensitive to headaches. It makes me wonder if sensitivity to physical pain and sensitivity to headaches aren’t inversely related. I’ve fallen off a two story balcony before and popped right up, but let me smell a strong smell when I have a headache and I’ll throw up.

  184. A higher place in heaven? I’ve never meet a non-Mormon Christian with a hierarchical view of heaven.

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  185. No surprise that, although alluded to ( perhaps a dog whistle that hey I know there is more but I wouldnt mention it?) there is no mention of the fact that Mexican herion dealers specifically target whites and will not do business with blacks. This is due to 1) ignorant notions among the Mexican herion dealing machine that blacks are more likely to rob them than whites and 2) The Mexican herion dealing machine avoiding inner cities and places where there exist drug dealing gangs and or mafia. Combined, this means that white America is being targeted as a market for the highly potent black tar herion coming in from Nayarat, Mexico.

    By the way, the delivery system is only made possible by Mexican immigrants, whose communities the dealers follow.

    Sam Quiones mentions all these facts about 20 times in his informative (although repetive and not smoothly edited – each chapter could be its own book and repeats the same story again and again) book Dream Land. Of course Steve read at least the beginning of it (still waiting for the review)

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    You shouldn’t clog up the comments with this kind of stuff.

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  187. Very important story, well-reported, but as a literary work it could have used one more draft.

  188. (Although I must admit, it was legitimately brave of the authors to mention that doctors’ racism saved black bodies)

  189. If I do not point out your arrogance who will? It is not as if I don’t want you to be a better person. God loves you the way you are, but loves you too much to let you stay that way.

  190. Thanks liberals. All those social structures that you work to tear down are the framework which provided structure and meaning to the lives of many people. This idea of people who are atomized in society and stripped of all social support except for Mother Government isn’t working. Churches, family, stable jobs, social pressure to get married, social pressure to have kids within marriage, social pressure to stay in your marriage, these all build a web of meaning and support around people.

    That’s the point. Divide et impera! If everyone’s fighting alone, a tiny group can rule them all.

  191. cultural Marxism is a meaning less and vague term.

    Yes, we know. Clearly leftism is fixing everything.

  192. I agree – six of one, half a dozen of the other.

  193. The first nurse may have put both on your sheet and pocketed the second.

    I understand that happens.

  194. “The problem with guarantied income is how do you keep people with no work to do from becoming depressed with boredom and self-medicating with drug, alcohol, food, etc.? Humans like to feel that they are useful.”

    Basically, you’ve got a good point. However here’s a counter point. A man with a guaranteed income makes a husband who can make a real contribution to a marriage. So a guaranteed income might lead to rehabilitation of the family.

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  195. “Chavs are what you get when you subject an entire people to constant contempt and every sort of economic, social and spiritual degradation imagineable.”

    My impression, perhaps incorrect as I don’t live in the U.K. is that chavs are low class whites who’ve adopted the dress, lifestyle and mannerisms of negros.

  196. @stevesailer I agree. Very important story. Very good reporting. He did a lot of good work and just didn’t want any of it to go to waste. I recommend the book to anyone who wants to understand their country.

  197. Yes, it could be like a paint store. You’ve got the white section and the colored paints section, but the white section includes off-white, cream, eggshell et et cetera. Eventually anything that isn’t actually dark becomes part of the white section. This may seem like a ridiculous analogy but IMO it reflects what’s actually happening.

  198. Play video games all day long?

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  199. Why can’t conservative destruction of unions and liberal destruction of families both kill blue-collar whites?

    We tend to form tribes and go ‘Blue Team, Red Team’ and pick one as the good one and one as the bad one, but really, there are two coalitions of pressure groups that go after what they want, and it’s entirely possible for a group of people with nobody speaking for them to get screwed by both sides.

    Agreed. Neither side has any interest in helping poor whites. To be honest neither side is genuinely going to help poor non-whites either. Identity politics doesn’t help poor non-whites – it makes their lives even worse. Both “teams” represent narrow interest groups.

    Thinking in terms of left and right, conservative and liberal, doesn’t achieve anything. The political class serves its own interests. Both teams are vicious, unprincipled, dishonest, corrupt and short-sighted. It’s government of the people, by the political class, for the political class.

  200. Oops. My post was not intended as a reply to yours, but as a stand alone. I believe that you have a good point.

  201. In other news, Chinese farmers are dosing their herds with the (human) antibiotic of last resort.

    That says a lot; a culture that pulls out all stops to gain an edge. Nobody wants this around, or misses it when it is gone. Will Good outlast Evil?

  202. Humans like to feel that they are useful.

    Can’t we ask them to do the kinds of volunteer work that people enjoy, and *IS* useful to society, but no one is willing to pay for at the moment? Jobs like: reading to children at pre-school, visiting lonely elderly people, rocking babies, training service animals…
    My examples presume careful background checks, of course, but even the sketchy people, can’t we get them out planting trees and flowers?

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  203. This sounds like what much of the African American community has been living through for the past 50 years. Whereas before many found meaning through work, welfare has replaced that. Why be a maid when you can stay home pop out kids and get a check, home & food stamps?

    Although blacks actually attend church more than other groups. Their churches functions more as a social gathering than any guide to living. I was reading an article about Jamal Bryant, a prominent pastor from Baltinore. He makes $300k a year and when he was married fathered
    several illegitimate kids. Yet he is who blacks turn to for spiritual guidance.

    Black families are broken beyond repair so there is little in the way of communities. I don’t think things will get this bad with whites but who knows?

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    ITT: People blaming SWPLs and Colored people, while accepting that none of the problem is caused by the addicts themselves.

    1. Even if Colored people didn’t exist, low IQ, low social class, uneducated Whites would slowly become obsolete. Even the third-worlders won’t be able to compete with robot labor someday.

    2. The intelligent members of any society do not have any obligation to socially shame the stupid members of said society into behaving correctly. Ergo, it is not the fault of high IQ Whites if low IQ Whites fail to grasp the idea that obesity, divorce, welfare dependence, and drug addiction. Every individual is responsible for him/herself.

  205. I’m happy to provide evidence.

    The male labor force participation rate, probably the best measure correlating to the size of the underclass, as you can see decreased precipitously under the Wilson/Callaghan government, flattened out under Thatcher, then declined again under Major and Blair/Brown (although at a slower rate than it had under Wilson/Callaghan, remarkable in light of all the underclass immigration during that period).

    She didn’t reverse Britain’s decline, but she did put it on hold for a period, which is unfortunately a remarkable enough feat for a western leader in this day and age.

    Obviously, she did not eliminate Britain’s welfare state, nor did I ever claim she had.

    But when it comes to the most anti-social of underclass behaviors, crime, we can see it was virtually nonexistent by today’s standards when Britain had no welfare state, first started to explode after the Asquith government made the first moves towards one, and then really started exploding in the postwar period.

    Of course I should add the caveat that there was about a 10-year lag both times, since underclass behavior is not learned overnight (people who join the welfare-dependent underclass as adults usually don’t become criminals, but their children who grow up in the underclass often do).

    And of course underclass immigration and soft-on-crime policies have been major contributing factors as well, although we’re just talking about white British dysfunction.

    Now, I understand that you all over in Russia aren’t very fond of Maggie, but I think we can put all our petty nationalisms behind ourselves. For example, some of my fellow Irish-Americans are being a bit ridiculous in this thread with their keyboard warrior act for the IRA. She mostly did a good job, and I admire her for it.

    Think of it this way; if it weren’t for old Mags, your boss Vlad would just be some washed-up pensioner in Leningrad. And that would be a tragedy.

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  206. I think Unz has been saying these things for quite a while.

  207. Immigrant vs Liberal Privilege

    More like “Immigrant and Liberal Privilege”. A guy who’s done well for himself and fully absorbed the victim narrative.

  208. “My personal belief is that there is no God (I see no real evidence for one and the universe seems to make more sense without one), but religion is an evolved human adaptation and rejecting it is unhealthy.”

    Are you equating a belief in God with religion?

    My personal belief is that God exists (I see real evidence of God everywhere and the universe only makes sense when I consider Him).

    I have no personal use for religion but I do think the structure and solidarity it can offer are valuable to society.

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  209. He only ever prescribed three drugs– Oxycontin, Xanax, and one other

    There are doctors who will prescribe opiates (Oxycontin) and benzos (Xanax) to the same patient, which is a dangerous combination, especially if abused. My adult daughter, an addict, was prescribed Xanax by a psychiatrist who was also proscribing her Suboxone, a heroin-replacement drug. My daughter took more than the proper daily dosage of Xanax and as a result ran out before the prescription could be refilled. As a result, she had a grand-mal seizure that put her in the hospital for a week, the length of stay partly due to the necessity of detoxing her from the Xanax. The doctors couldn’t believe her psychiatrist had prescribed her both medications, but I doubt there would be a good case for a malpractice suit. Ultimately it was my daughter’s fault.

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    The Times analyzed nearly 60 million death certificates

    Bullshit. There is absolutely no way it can be true. Let’s make a very generous assumption that it takes 10 seconds to examine one certificate. Then for a single person working 12 hours a day seven days a week it takes at least 60,000,000/(365*12*60*6)=38 years to examine these many certificates. Even if NYT committed 10 interns to do the job, clearly it is not realistic.

    Basic numeracy is not journalists’ strong point. (And they frequently lie).

  211. Is it happening amongst communities that were dependent on community-based industries such as mining and steel. That is where the unemployment-drug problems exist in UK, due to industries shut down by Thatcher and since. In the UK those communities were created, geographically, for the industries. Now those housing areas are isolated geographically and socially from the new urban multi-ethnic, multi-class, corporate sources of employment.

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  212. His views on traditional agrarianism being the basis for a healthy society

    There used to be a strand of leftism that pushed such ideas. Here in Australia B. A. Santamaria was very influential (and quite powerful). He was a kind of Catholic agrarian socialist. He and his supporters split from the mainstream left party (the Labor Party) in the 50s because they considered Labor to be close to communism which Santamaria bitterly opposed. Santamaria was still quite a big deal in Australian politics up to the early 70s. He even had his own TV show.

  213. What about the whole skinhead thing? I just remember it being a lot of fun. It produced music genres and a style that people are still copying. Whatever the politics, there was an element of working class pride intrinsic in it. I don’t want to overrstate this, but comparing skins and chavs really only illustrates how degraded the working class has become in just a couple generations.

    Millions and millions of Americans, including me, have never encountered a skinhead. Was it a California thing?

  214. I don’t say this lightly, because it’s terribly sad and I regret knowing it, but a whole bunch of the heroin enters this country on Navy boats. That, such that if you were going to make a guess about heroin overdoses after a decade of our boys in Afghanistan, well more than less would’ve been the obvious guess.

    My uncle got big into heroin (and heroin dealing) while in the Navy in the late 70s. Thanks to a reasonably strong (and extended) family, he got out of it and into auto mechanics in the early 80s, and now has grown sons of his own and is doing well approaching 65.

  215. I have no personal use for religion but I do think the structure and solidarity it can offer are valuable to society.

    Alienation in a nutshell.

    Is your person not a part of society?

    Religion comes from the same Latin root as “ligament.” It is a means by which society is held together, as well as the person with the society. Neglect of it (as with the family) literally dis-integrates society.

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  216. My examples presume careful background checks, of course

    Then your examples will fail.

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    What do you mean you don’t get meals on flights? I flew to London this past year from the East Coast of the US and they served 2 meals on a 7 to 8 hour flight. The food is generally better at airports now, especially the newer and remodeled ones, although some of the older airports in the US are pretty bad. Also flights are a lot cheaper these days. Flying just isn’t the luxury good it used to be when most people flying were the wealthy and busienss executives.

  218. The Existentialists had some interesting answers to exactly that question, but I think they only work for about 1% of the population.

    That 1% has more important work to do.

    The original Existentialist himself was profoundly Christian, if critical of the Churchianity of his day, which all good Christians (especially that 1%) should be. Disengagement is a relatively impotent form of critique (especially for that 1%).

    For an Existentialist, the answer to “that question” is axiomatic, and thus not very interesting.

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  219. The tragedy of a species becoming unfit for life by over-evolving one ability is not confined to humankind. Thus it is thought, for instance, that certain deer in paleontological times succumbed as they acquired overly-heavy horns. The mutations must be considered blind, they work, are thrown forth, without any contact of interest with their environment.
    In depressive states, the mind may be seen in the image of such an antler, in all its fantastic splendour pinning its bearer to the ground.
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Messiah)

    Unlucky humans. We got smarter than needed for survival. Some can’t live with the knowledge (subconscious or not) that the life journey is long, difficult and pointless.

  220. Uh…hello? Ever read the Divine Comedy? Ever heard of the nine choirs of angels? Ever read St. Paul ( 2 Corinthians 12:2 “I saw a man in Christ who fourteen tears ago was caught up to the third heaven…”)? Ever read Aristotle or Ptolemy? What do you think the word “quintessence” means?

    Every believing Catholic (and the virtuous pagan Greeks) has a hierarchical view of heaven because heaven is hierarchical.

    It’s a good thing we have intellectual giants like you here at the alt-right to help us preserve the treasures of Western Civilization.

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  221. You started seeing an upsurge in non-counterculture celebrities… with pain pill problems in the early 2000s.

    As well as non-counterculture non-celebrities, such as that airline steward who gave a squalling toddler a dose of Xanax in her juice.

    Actually, male “flight attendants” are a counterculture of their own. This guy had imported over a thousand pills from Europe on earlier flights.

    Quite ironic that this particular flight was from Amsterdam.

  222. Since Thatcher’s period in office was associated if anything with more growth in the welfare state than those of her predecessors and successors, your argument refutes itself.

    http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1971_2000UKp_15c1li011tcn_40t00t_Social_Protection

    Wasn’t the great increase in the female labour force participation rate during Thatcher’s prime ministership and hers alone, indicated by your own first link, a sign and cause of far more social devastation than other prime ministers could ever dream of?
    Read your own second link, it will explain to you why it is historical illiteracy to take levels of recorded crime at face value.
    Try not to make it so obvious that you are still mentally trapped in 1989, braying idiotically at your TV screen, “Maggie done give ‘em what for”.

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  223. 20 years sounds too pessimistic. I would put the collapse date to after 2050. To be clear, my definition of collapse is when the federal government is unable to service its debts. i.e. Basically USA = Porto Rico

  224. Yeah, a benign white identity movement would offer, maybe, something like organizational and rhetorical efficiency, but how you’d do it without sounding like Hitler 2.0 is beyond me.

    Rediscover connections through the old infrastructure of European-American ethnic communities, eg Sons of Norway / Poland / Italy / Ireland, etc…. Branding matters…

    For German-Americans it’s of course a little more tricky.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21642222-americas-largest-ethnic-group-has-assimilated-so-well-people-barely-notice-it

    For a couple generations it was corny and musty; maybe we can make it cool again?

    By the way, what happened to the fraternal organizations, like the Masons, Elks, Optimists, etc?
    I heard they’re dying out.

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  225. Perhaps it’s time to stop and catch our breath, with an episode of “Stuff White Atheists Like”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAM3kGOAkcc

    Gonna be sad to see the progress of the space program die with us, but that’s progress!

  226. Is this serious? Did I say no one in history believed in a hierarchical heaven? No I didn’t. Never mind the fact that only one of the names you mentioned is even a canonical source for any branch of Chrisitianity. it’s clear your old man sputtering has got ahead of you. The Catholic Church most certainly does not teach that Heaven nor Hell has levels anymore. Dante also includes Limbo in his Divine Comedy ask the next priest you see if Limbo exists. In heaven we all see God face to face that immediately dispenses with any notion of levels. The closest the Catholic Church gets to levels is suggesting that in heaven we may have different levels of grace, but again not levels and it sure as heck isn’t determined by how nice someone is to refugees. Never mind that in Protestantism even the notion of differing degrees of grace is rejected.

    Maybe some kids were playing on your lawn and distracted you when you were reading my comment. Thank God we’ve got knee jerking old foggies like yourself to ensure the alt-right never penetrated beyond the angry washed up demographic.

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  227. Maybe whites have an excessive tendency to take Asians’ IQ scores and education credentials at face value, despite their impressive track record of fraud.

  228. The working class did jobs that are robotic in nature in the 1st place given industrialization. Its no surprise robots do robotic work much better.

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  229. We’ve heard “robots gonna take our jobs real soon now” every year since 1945. What makes you believe it this time?

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  230. “Alienation in a nutshell.”

    Yes and no. I find modern society repellent. But I’m also one of those people who are genuinely happiest when alone.

    “Is your person not a part of society?”

    Of course. I comment here, don’t I?

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  231. cultural marxism is marxism in a similar way as neoconservatism is “cultural trotskyism” … meaning that there might be some institutional, historical continuities while the ideas are more or less diametrically opposite. Marx would have probably thought the idea of fragmenting the working class in to demented “communities” and “identities” very contrary to the real interests of people, being more an ideological superstructure serving the interest of the capitalist class.

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  232. Historically high levels of labor force non-participation and stagnant wages, even in what has been characterized as an economic recovery, certainly has my attention. Plus, the photos that I’ve seen of modern automobile assembly plants show almost exclusively industrial robots–you have to look carefully to see a human.

  233. Luke 12:48

    “But he that knew not and committed things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required; and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”

    True enough, you are fortunate indeed. I remember a country that was very prevailingly Christian. Not only strongly so culturally but the profession of the faith was broadly a serious one. That country was better by far than this post-Christian one. Even unbelieving “conservatives” of my age will admit the same if they are not decidedly hostile to Christianity. It is that hostility that has brought us to this brink. I see in your comment that you are merely cavalier and complacent. I was 18 when I first heard the Gospel in power. I suggest you not be casual and flippantly indifferent but take a serious look into the matter. As you might expect, in my judgment, you could do no more important thing. BTW, may I ask to whom or what were you “grateful” to for your surprising good fortune?

  234. If there were guaranteed income, two guaranteed incomes combined would enable people to set up the house.

    If the household ran efficiently, work in itself, then they could have a child or two and one member of the household at least could try to train themselves and to get work, even volunteer work.

    They could participate in community activities and feel that they had a firm foundation that they had created that they could be proud of.

    The guaranteed income gives the couple a foundation that is reliable and can be built upon. Something they don’t have now.

    I agree that some people, perhaps some ethnic cities, will squander such a gift. But we’ve got to start somewhere.

    And to reiterate, an immigration moratorium would be absolutely essential.

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  235. I have no personal use for religion but I do think the structure and solidarity it can offer are valuable to society.

    Yes and no. I find modern society repellent. But I’m also one of those people who are genuinely happiest when alone.

    There are values that are more pertinent here than happiness.

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  236. Be nice for someone like me to have a “Sons of England”. But I’ve never heard of such a thing, even though there is an organization for Scots.

    There is, however, a Sons of the American Revolution but as near as I can tell it’s not very active. And anyway, many of my relatives came over in the 1840s.

  237. I know she increased public spending by 50 per cent in real terms during her eleven years as Prime Minister.

  238. Does the West need to believe in Christianity in order to thrive? Aren’t the Northeast Asians doing fine

    There are four times as many Presbyterians in Korea as in the United States. Don’t underestimate the role of Christianity in NE Asia’s fine doing.

    I lack faith in Christianity

    As do we all. For that, prayer is the only cure, and good fellowship with better Christians than ourselves. Seeking those – in your community, and in history – has its rewards.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGr6B6Rp4PU

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  239. JSM has a point, in that volunteer work is underutilized.

    But much of it has been chased out of modern society; either from liability concerns, or taken over and monetized by gov’t.

  240. For an Existentialist, the answer to “that question” is axiomatic, and thus not very interesting.

    Oh really? I don’t see too many people explicitly arranging their lives around those precepts.

  241. Marx would have probably thought the idea of fragmenting the working class in to demented “communities” and “identities” very contrary to the real interests of people, being more an ideological superstructure serving the interest of the capitalist class.

    Thanks empty. I have been trying to find a way to say this. SJW’s are an ideological superstructure serving the interests of the capitalist class or more specifically the monopolist class. Marx has nothing to do with it.

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  242. We could have financial incentives to help create and maintain a nuclear family.

    Instead, today all the incentives run in the wrong direction.

  243. It’s different this time.

  244. Good comment, Ed. But African American people are different from people of European descent. Tens of thousands years of isolated evolution cannot be erased in some centuries.

    Let’s recap the four things that I mentioned: family, community, religion and “a good job”.

    FAMILY: In many traditional African communities, the family is matriarchal. Since women can grow food for them and their kids, they don’t need a provider. They only need good genes. An attractive man can impregnate many women (polygamy). This is why African American men have more testosterone, muscle, etc than other races. Peter Frost has written about that.

    So this welfare mom with some illegitimate kids that you see is … the African family transplanted to America. They are happy this way. They are adapted. So black people have family.

    COMMUNITY: Gangs are a community (a bad community), the same way the band of tribal warriors was a community. You mentioned that churches function as social gatherings. In general, black people are more communal than white people. They don’t tend to social isolation and atomization as much as whites. As hbdchick shows, European tribes disappeared long time ago while African tribes exist even today. So, although they don’t have tribes anymore, African American people have retained some communal characteristics.

    RELIGION: Some of them have religion, as you mentioned. The ones that don’t have religion are not prone to nihilistic despair as whites are. In part, it is because they don’t have the future orientation that whites have (an evolutionary adaptation to cold climates, where you have to plan in advance to survive as opposed to tropical climates, where you enjoy the fruits of earth). So they live more in the present. They are not that worried about death, etc.

    JOBS: About jobs, I mentioned that “a good job” can be a meaningless job that allows you to support your family. Well, this is welfare. It is meaningless: you do nothing, but you can spawn several illegitimate kids. African american men also have jobs that allow them to support a family…because they don’t have to support a family: the welfare mom does. Yes, they live in poverty but they are adapted. It is not the same as a white working class man who sees how he is becoming poorer and poorer.

    So you see why they have things to live for. This is why the suicide rate is higher in whites.

  245. SJW’s are an ideological superstructure serving the interests of the capitalist class or more specifically the monopolist class. Marx has nothing to do with it.

    Marx is dead, so the question is moot.

    His followers, and legacy, were co-opted into serving the interests of that class long ago.

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