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White Death by State2

Blogger Sendil has kindly sent along a table he or she made from Center for Disease Control data on the change in death rates among whites (both sexes) age 45-54 by state between 1999 and 2013.

It looks like it correlates with white drugs (opioids, meth), obesity, smoking, and low real estate prices (i.e., expensive states shed drug addicts who can’t make the rent — but also demand goes up in states with fewer of these kind of problems). It’s pretty much Fishtown versus Belmont, to use Charles Murray’s names from his 2012 book Coming Apart.

Interestingly, Murray tweeted recently that while writing his book about working class whites falling apart, it didn’t occur to him to check whether they were dying at a higher rate.

One thing to keep in mind is that death rates in these younger age ranges are pretty low, so they can be bounced around by specific causes such as, say, painkiller deregulation and enterprising Mexican heroin cartels.

Still, it’s pretty depressing …

Notes: Minnesota had the second lowest middle aged white death rates in 1999 and it’s now lowest in 2013.

North Dakota used to have the lowest death rate, but it went up 32% as energy prosperity arrived. It’s still pretty low.

South Dakota’s death rate went down.

Colorado is missing from the table. It’s likely a quite healthy state.

Nevada used to have the highest white death rate, but it fell to 8th as the Las Vegas lifestyle spread nationally.

Ohio and Pennsylvania continue to diverge, with the death rate in Ohio up 20% v. only up 4% in Pennsylvania.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is there any data on the change in the availability of drugs? Like drug price data? Back in the 90s, meth wasn’t really in the mainstream popular discourse, but everyone now has heard of it as it entered popular discourse with Breaking Bad and news stories and the like. Presumably it’s been more widely available and cheaper now than it was in the 90s and before. Also, I don’t remember the Mexican drug cartels being a major news thing in the 90s like they have been over the past decade. Presumably the increase in Mexican cartel activity has increased the drug supply and lowered the prices in the US since the 90s.

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    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    This has been stated in other threads, but in Ohio the recent statewide (last three years) crack down on painkillers and the doctors who prescribe them has had the predictable effects on the supply and demand price-point. The black market price of oxycontin shot up so quickly that heroin became a much cheaper and readily available alternative. Former oxy-addicts have switched over to heroin with the predictable effects of more overdoses.
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  2. The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/) is in fact a very recent development that occurred between 1999 and 2013.

    This stands to reason given reports of D.C.’s good economic performance on the back of security contracts, which were getting handed out like candy after 9/11. Although the sheer magnitude of the improvement is surprisingly nonetheless. While American Whites as a group have the life expectancy of Chile and Denmark (the short-lived fully developed European country), the Whites in D.C. in particular have a life expectancy higher than that of any country in the world.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, I'm not sure I believe Washington DC was full of average white middle-aged people back in 1999. I was there in 2000, and all the white people already looked like eager beaver ex-student council presidents, although not as much as when I was last there around 2007 or 2008.

    I suspect the white population has gotten considerably younger, so the average 45-54 year old white in Washington DC is closer to 45 in 2013 than in 1999. But that's not that big an effect.

    , @Desiderius

    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy
     
    Typical gap between conquering/conquered peoples. The rest of us are but a petty state in their empire.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state...

    DC is not a state. Sorry to be quibbling, but we need to never forget that. The founding fathers wanted that for a reason, and that reason looms more than ever.
    , @27 year old
    Easy. High income, secure, low stress government jobs. The security and low stress matters way more than the income, but that helps too.
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  3. Meth labs per state has an OK relationship to the death rates:

    http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

    Though in recent years local, small scale meth labs seem to have been replaced by importation from the big labs in Mexico.

    Opiate prescriptions by state:

    http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0701-opioid-painkiller.html

    Again, there’s a good relationship, particularly in the midwest/south. By eyeball there might be a better relationship to opiate prescriptions than meth, though again the reduction of “artisinal” meth labs in favor of industrial production and distribution may be masking the real level of meth use.

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    • Replies: @let it burn
    @Though in recent years local, small scale meth labs seem to have been replaced by importation from the big labs in Mexico.

    is there anything that won't be offshored, outsorced, insourced, or h1-b'd to drive america's economic miracle machine to infinity and beyond?
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  4. I knew some women in the “dead” demographic. When did MDs start handing out drugs like candy? Did the MDs reach a point where they said, ah, the heck with the oath, everybody is doing it…

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    • Replies: @Blah
    As I have said before, in 1997 the FDA finally allowed mass advertising for prescription drugs of all kinds onto television. (DTCA- Direct to consumer advertising).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278148/

    Remember prior to that time period there was never an ad that said "ask your doctor if ---- is right for you...." This capitulation to Big Pharma coincided with a push to get doctors on board. I remember a doctor in the late 90s trying to put me on anti-depressants when I went to him with simple fatigue. I
    declined. I'm sure an attractive drug rep must've recently talked up Prozac or whatever in the months before my appointment. And I am sure Geneeal Practitioners get kick backs at a time when their margins are getting squeezed by liability and medical insurance.

    White have historical had better prescription coverage, I assume, and better access to this gateway to prescription meds.
    , @Melendwyr
    I don't think you, or they, ever took that oath seriously. Anyone who does would take one look at what it requires oathtakers to do and realize that it's totally incompatible with the modern profession.

    Shame, too - most versions are open-ended, calling upon any powers that are not specifically named in it to bear witness, which means it's metaphysically enforceable by anyone and anything.
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  5. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Smoking is an interesting angle. From casual observation I have noticed that whites have quit smoking in droves. If you do see a white person smoking, all the other whites are silently judging and shaming him. If a white person smells like cigarette smoke, he might as well have a crack pipe in peeking out from his shirt pocket.

    The blacks and Hispanics seem like they smoke at the same or similar rates that they always did.

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don’t know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don’t expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.

    I am a long-since-quit-ex-smoker who has fully embraced the dividing classist line between those who partake and those who do not. I have no agenda to promote tobacco. But people who got lung cancer from smoking usually got it in their 60′s, and I’ve only known one person die from it. People who get problems from obesity have heart, vessel, and endocrine trouble starting in their 40′s, and I know a whole lot of them.

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    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @FineSwine

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don’t know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don’t expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.
     
    Yes, the downsides of non-smoking need study, but don't expect it to happen anytime soon. No doctor or scientist is going to touch this for a long time yet.
    , @CJ
    I second most of your comment, but IMO black Americans smoke much less than they used to. They were famous for smoking menthol cigarettes in the 1970s, but during the 1980s and 1990s tobacco use clearly fell out of favor with young blacks.
    , @NOTA
    I'm pretty sure smoking is way worse for you than obesity, though both tend to be more concentrated among lower-class whites. As I understand it, it's not really the obesity that's the killer either--being fat is an indicator of being in bad condition and having bad cholesterol numbers and arteries, and those are what gets you.
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  6. What about Red states vs. Blue states? Is there a correlation there? Might people in Blue states feel less dejected, politically, and that more is going their way, or is the increased death rate mostly related to personal economics?

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  7. Steve, good call on drugs. I had a thought while discussing your article with my family tonight, that it might be increased driving. I.E. Whites move to exurbs and drive a lot more, exposing them to both bad weather accidents and drunk drivers also increasing as Mexicans increase. Living in SoCal as you do I’m sensitive to the flight to exurbs like Temecula and inland San Diego County and so on, the 91 from Riverside to OC is choked with traffic most of the time.

    But I note that California, and Maryland both experienced either flat or a slight downturn in White death rates, and both are kings of exurb White flight.

    So, pretty much drugs.

    America resembles increasingly Yeltsin / Gorbachev Russia.

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  8. @Boomstick
    Meth labs per state has an OK relationship to the death rates:

    http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

    Though in recent years local, small scale meth labs seem to have been replaced by importation from the big labs in Mexico.

    Opiate prescriptions by state:

    http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0701-opioid-painkiller.html

    Again, there's a good relationship, particularly in the midwest/south. By eyeball there might be a better relationship to opiate prescriptions than meth, though again the reduction of "artisinal" meth labs in favor of industrial production and distribution may be masking the real level of meth use.

    @Though in recent years local, small scale meth labs seem to have been replaced by importation from the big labs in Mexico.

    is there anything that won’t be offshored, outsorced, insourced, or h1-b’d to drive america’s economic miracle machine to infinity and beyond?

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    That's the result of our policies--making sudafed much harder to get by imposing ID requirements led to Mexican drug gangs taking over production. This probably made the world a worse place in a dozen ways.
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  9. Interestingly, Murray tweeted recently

    You mean he took time out from attacking Trump on twitter (‘twattacking’ perhaps)?

    It could be the 1850s and the Know Nothings. Same fear, same rhetoric, same fascist tendencies. And I don’t use “fascist” loosely.

    Wouldn’t Trump’s immigration stance at least have a chance to economically help the working class Whites (and others) Murray says are ‘falling apart’?

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  10. @Anatoly Karlin
    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/) is in fact a very recent development that occurred between 1999 and 2013.

    This stands to reason given reports of D.C.'s good economic performance on the back of security contracts, which were getting handed out like candy after 9/11. Although the sheer magnitude of the improvement is surprisingly nonetheless. While American Whites as a group have the life expectancy of Chile and Denmark (the short-lived fully developed European country), the Whites in D.C. in particular have a life expectancy higher than that of any country in the world.

    Yeah, I’m not sure I believe Washington DC was full of average white middle-aged people back in 1999. I was there in 2000, and all the white people already looked like eager beaver ex-student council presidents, although not as much as when I was last there around 2007 or 2008.

    I suspect the white population has gotten considerably younger, so the average 45-54 year old white in Washington DC is closer to 45 in 2013 than in 1999. But that’s not that big an effect.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Well, DC is wholly apart. It's not just eager beaver ex-student council presidents. There also the cream of the military crop--men and women with the self-discipline to get up 4:00am instead of 5:00 so they can get in an hour of exercise before work.

    I was in DC for a year in 2000 but also several times in the early 90s, and I was impressed then at all the young fit focused-looking population. I think DC has always been full of the same type of people.
    , @Pat Casey
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.#/media/File:Race_and_ethnicity_in_Washington,_D.C._2010.png

    That plus 58,000 in the last four years is what building the baseball stadium did. The link above is a demographic map; the place in the middle above the river is the stadium neighborhood and probably in ten years it'll be all red. It was a burnt out husk of a ghetto all my life even though RFK football stadium is there, so that's one difference between having a baseball team and a football team--duh, those dumbbasses. When I was born in Georgetown in 86 it was the only white neighborhood in the city and capital hill was mug-dangerous. Now its the world's epicenter of thinking in tank with too little air. Yeash. (Cato Institute's new expansion-renovation befits maybe those sci-fi libertarians out in your country, probably they paid for it I don't know.) Per that demographic map you'll see the other side of the river, that's Anacostia and not a single white person lives there-- rancid, proudly rancid. (My mom taught there and black girls would pet my hair cause they'd never seen such a boy before.) So the question is: will whites ever cross the river? Nope, never: they'll gift it to Maryland with a here ya go bow, mark my wards. Hows that for a hot potato.

    1900 278,718
    1910 331,069
    1920 437,57
    1930 486,869
    1940 663,091
    1950 802,178
    1960 763,956
    1970 756,510
    1980 638,333
    1990 606,900
    2000 572,059
    2010 601,723
    2014 658,893

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  11. @WGG
    Smoking is an interesting angle. From casual observation I have noticed that whites have quit smoking in droves. If you do see a white person smoking, all the other whites are silently judging and shaming him. If a white person smells like cigarette smoke, he might as well have a crack pipe in peeking out from his shirt pocket.

    The blacks and Hispanics seem like they smoke at the same or similar rates that they always did.

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don't know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don't expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.

    I am a long-since-quit-ex-smoker who has fully embraced the dividing classist line between those who partake and those who do not. I have no agenda to promote tobacco. But people who got lung cancer from smoking usually got it in their 60's, and I've only known one person die from it. People who get problems from obesity have heart, vessel, and endocrine trouble starting in their 40's, and I know a whole lot of them.

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don’t know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don’t expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.

    Yes, the downsides of non-smoking need study, but don’t expect it to happen anytime soon. No doctor or scientist is going to touch this for a long time yet.

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  12. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, I'm not sure I believe Washington DC was full of average white middle-aged people back in 1999. I was there in 2000, and all the white people already looked like eager beaver ex-student council presidents, although not as much as when I was last there around 2007 or 2008.

    I suspect the white population has gotten considerably younger, so the average 45-54 year old white in Washington DC is closer to 45 in 2013 than in 1999. But that's not that big an effect.

    Well, DC is wholly apart. It’s not just eager beaver ex-student council presidents. There also the cream of the military crop–men and women with the self-discipline to get up 4:00am instead of 5:00 so they can get in an hour of exercise before work.

    I was in DC for a year in 2000 but also several times in the early 90s, and I was impressed then at all the young fit focused-looking population. I think DC has always been full of the same type of people.

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    D.C. is almost comparable to L.A. for good-looking women, except at the starlet level. Lots of 7s, if few 9s or 10s.
    , @SteveO

    think DC has always been full of the same type of people.
     
    Yes, it has. There were lots of yuppies in Washington in 1970s, even before the word had been coined.

    DC is sui generis. It always has been, but the gap between DC whites and the rest of the white population has been growing in recent years.

    OTOH, it's worth noting that the population of the District of Columbia is only 650,000, while the entire metro area has 6,000,000. In other words, you're looking at a small and largely self-selected group of the most affluent, educated people in America. It's not surprising that they're doing well.

    More informative would be the change in death rate for the metropolitan area as a whole. I suspect there would still be a drop - probably greater than the drop in any state - but nowhere near as a dramatic as that for DC itself.
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  13. So much for my theory that the cause is diversity. Maybe you need tight social networks to access illegal drugs.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Good point. Maybe West Virginia's clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

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  14. @Chrisnonymous
    Well, DC is wholly apart. It's not just eager beaver ex-student council presidents. There also the cream of the military crop--men and women with the self-discipline to get up 4:00am instead of 5:00 so they can get in an hour of exercise before work.

    I was in DC for a year in 2000 but also several times in the early 90s, and I was impressed then at all the young fit focused-looking population. I think DC has always been full of the same type of people.

    D.C. is almost comparable to L.A. for good-looking women, except at the starlet level. Lots of 7s, if few 9s or 10s.

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    • Replies: @Eagle
    Having lived in the DC suburbs and having a kid in school in the city, I wholeheartedly disagree. The young women there tend much more toward Lena Dunham. The quote I come back to is that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.
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  15. Also, I’ve noticed that bars are scarce in diverse areas. You go down to drink with your buddies, a diverse customer ruins the vibe most of the time. So perhaps diversity reduces alcohol consumption.

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @rod1963
    Very true.

    Where I live - high desert outside of Los Angeles, it is a very diverse town. The bars are very few and even fewer dance clubs. Most were shut down in the early 80's as blacks moved in thanks to low income apartments. They destroyed the bar and dance scene because when they showed up, violence wasn't far behind.

    Whereas whites would duke it out with fists, the blacks would bring guns and use them. They also bullied whites like crazy. You did not want to hang around a dance club or bar when the blacks rolled in.

    Now with a influx of illegals and Mexican gang bangers, it has sealed the fate for most remaining bars. The few that do exist are upscale establishments that Mexicans and blacks generally avoid.
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  16. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, I'm not sure I believe Washington DC was full of average white middle-aged people back in 1999. I was there in 2000, and all the white people already looked like eager beaver ex-student council presidents, although not as much as when I was last there around 2007 or 2008.

    I suspect the white population has gotten considerably younger, so the average 45-54 year old white in Washington DC is closer to 45 in 2013 than in 1999. But that's not that big an effect.


    That plus 58,000 in the last four years is what building the baseball stadium did. The link above is a demographic map; the place in the middle above the river is the stadium neighborhood and probably in ten years it’ll be all red. It was a burnt out husk of a ghetto all my life even though RFK football stadium is there, so that’s one difference between having a baseball team and a football team–duh, those dumbbasses. When I was born in Georgetown in 86 it was the only white neighborhood in the city and capital hill was mug-dangerous. Now its the world’s epicenter of thinking in tank with too little air. Yeash. (Cato Institute’s new expansion-renovation befits maybe those sci-fi libertarians out in your country, probably they paid for it I don’t know.) Per that demographic map you’ll see the other side of the river, that’s Anacostia and not a single white person lives there– rancid, proudly rancid. (My mom taught there and black girls would pet my hair cause they’d never seen such a boy before.) So the question is: will whites ever cross the river? Nope, never: they’ll gift it to Maryland with a here ya go bow, mark my wards. Hows that for a hot potato.

    1900 278,718
    1910 331,069
    1920 437,57
    1930 486,869
    1940 663,091
    1950 802,178
    1960 763,956
    1970 756,510
    1980 638,333
    1990 606,900
    2000 572,059
    2010 601,723
    2014 658,893

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  17. @Robert Hume
    So much for my theory that the cause is diversity. Maybe you need tight social networks to access illegal drugs.

    Good point. Maybe West Virginia’s clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

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    No state has suffered more from death by trial lawyer. The revulsion for Obama has finally brought hope of ending (local) one-party rule. The general cussedness of mountain folk make us ripe for lawyers stirring trouble too.
    , @Desiderius
    Pretty strong negative correlation between strong kin networks and drug abuse, in my experience.
    , @muse
    It seems to me that death rates relative to average income/unemployment and/or the cost of living are begging to be examined. Perhaps marginalized people are drinking more and doing meth because they see no light at the end of the tunnel. If you can't afford to form a family, you are already dead.
    , @anon
    closed coal mines
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  18. The states that do the worst seem to be Southern states with white populations that are heavily British. States with large numbers of Germans and Scandinavians do really well. Even northern states with heavily British populations (Maine, etc.) do quite well.

    The best explanation for D.C. – and to a lesser extent New York, California, and New Jersey – is that they are expensive places that whites may be more inclined to leave if their health starts to fade. If you’re a white living in D.C. then you are either rich or employed. If your health starts to go and you’re not rich you’ll probably move out before you die – to some place with cheaper housing, or with friends or family members, etc. That is probably far more true today than it was in 1999, especially if you have a home with value you can tap to live on.

    One problem with the Southern states is that the civil rights movement has increasingly destroyed any sense of community that existed among whites. White neighborhoods are never more than one small court decision or dumbass policy (e.g., Section 8 vouchers) away from complete ruination. That makes people less inclined to invest in their communities and create the kind of infrastructure that helps keep people from falling into the abyss.

    It would also be interesting to know how much of the increase is due to not just lower class whites, but childless, unmarried lower class whites. Until the last decade or so lower class whites could at least be counted on to marry and have kids. Absent those motives to keep people occupied and on the straight and narrow, it gives people a huge void to fill that they’re increasingly filling with drugs. The combination of single, childless, and lower class is a deadly one. Most lower class blacks and Hispanics still have kids, which is probably why their death rates haven’t risen.

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    • Replies: @WGG
    Maine has a lot of French. And they are very French; thick accents, feisty personas, speak French in the home, the works. When I lived there I knew many Cyr's, Corveaux's, Levasseur's, etc. They are more like Cajuns than Quebecois, but like both, have been there for centuries.

    There was a lot of Irish descent, too.
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  19. @Steve Sailer
    D.C. is almost comparable to L.A. for good-looking women, except at the starlet level. Lots of 7s, if few 9s or 10s.

    Having lived in the DC suburbs and having a kid in school in the city, I wholeheartedly disagree. The young women there tend much more toward Lena Dunham. The quote I come back to is that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Lots of good looking women in Vegas.
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  20. @Steve Sailer
    Good point. Maybe West Virginia's clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

    No state has suffered more from death by trial lawyer. The revulsion for Obama has finally brought hope of ending (local) one-party rule. The general cussedness of mountain folk make us ripe for lawyers stirring trouble too.

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  21. @Steve Sailer
    Good point. Maybe West Virginia's clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

    Pretty strong negative correlation between strong kin networks and drug abuse, in my experience.

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  22. @Anatoly Karlin
    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/) is in fact a very recent development that occurred between 1999 and 2013.

    This stands to reason given reports of D.C.'s good economic performance on the back of security contracts, which were getting handed out like candy after 9/11. Although the sheer magnitude of the improvement is surprisingly nonetheless. While American Whites as a group have the life expectancy of Chile and Denmark (the short-lived fully developed European country), the Whites in D.C. in particular have a life expectancy higher than that of any country in the world.

    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy

    Typical gap between conquering/conquered peoples. The rest of us are but a petty state in their empire.

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  23. @WGG
    Smoking is an interesting angle. From casual observation I have noticed that whites have quit smoking in droves. If you do see a white person smoking, all the other whites are silently judging and shaming him. If a white person smells like cigarette smoke, he might as well have a crack pipe in peeking out from his shirt pocket.

    The blacks and Hispanics seem like they smoke at the same or similar rates that they always did.

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don't know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don't expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.

    I am a long-since-quit-ex-smoker who has fully embraced the dividing classist line between those who partake and those who do not. I have no agenda to promote tobacco. But people who got lung cancer from smoking usually got it in their 60's, and I've only known one person die from it. People who get problems from obesity have heart, vessel, and endocrine trouble starting in their 40's, and I know a whole lot of them.

    I second most of your comment, but IMO black Americans smoke much less than they used to. They were famous for smoking menthol cigarettes in the 1970s, but during the 1980s and 1990s tobacco use clearly fell out of favor with young blacks.

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  24. @anonymous
    I knew some women in the "dead" demographic. When did MDs start handing out drugs like candy? Did the MDs reach a point where they said, ah, the heck with the oath, everybody is doing it...

    As I have said before, in 1997 the FDA finally allowed mass advertising for prescription drugs of all kinds onto television. (DTCA- Direct to consumer advertising).

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278148/

    Remember prior to that time period there was never an ad that said “ask your doctor if —- is right for you….” This capitulation to Big Pharma coincided with a push to get doctors on board. I remember a doctor in the late 90s trying to put me on anti-depressants when I went to him with simple fatigue. I
    declined. I’m sure an attractive drug rep must’ve recently talked up Prozac or whatever in the months before my appointment. And I am sure Geneeal Practitioners get kick backs at a time when their margins are getting squeezed by liability and medical insurance.

    White have historical had better prescription coverage, I assume, and better access to this gateway to prescription meds.

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    As I have said before, in 1997 the FDA finally allowed mass advertising for prescription drugs of all kinds onto television. (DTCA- Direct to consumer advertising).
     
    Have opioids ever been advertised to the public? I don't recall seeing any ads for OxyContin (most likely one to be advertised), but perhaps I missed them.

    I’m sure an attractive drug rep must’ve recently talked up Prozac or whatever in the months before my appointment. And I am sure Geneeal Practitioners get kick backs at a time when their margins are getting squeezed by liability and medical insurance.
     
    Possibly. Or possibly doctors generally like helping people and making them feel better and actually believed the many very respected experts telling them that medicine had been too tight with the painkillers and needed to loosen up, while also believing that anti-depressants actually do help people. In fact, they do.

    Every new type of drug (not that opiates are new, but SSRI's were in the 90s) is overused at first; antibiotics were wildly overprescribed in 1950s. Doctors like making people better, and patients love - seriously, most people absolutely love - taking pills. They ask for drugs, and many physicians find it easier to say yes than to resist, especially when the patient is very persistent and the drug might actually help, if only by placebo effect.
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  25. @Anatoly Karlin
    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/) is in fact a very recent development that occurred between 1999 and 2013.

    This stands to reason given reports of D.C.'s good economic performance on the back of security contracts, which were getting handed out like candy after 9/11. Although the sheer magnitude of the improvement is surprisingly nonetheless. While American Whites as a group have the life expectancy of Chile and Denmark (the short-lived fully developed European country), the Whites in D.C. in particular have a life expectancy higher than that of any country in the world.

    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state...

    DC is not a state. Sorry to be quibbling, but we need to never forget that. The founding fathers wanted that for a reason, and that reason looms more than ever.

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  26. BLS ends collection of mass layoff data

    http://www.bls.gov/bls/sequester_info.htm

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  27. @WGG
    Smoking is an interesting angle. From casual observation I have noticed that whites have quit smoking in droves. If you do see a white person smoking, all the other whites are silently judging and shaming him. If a white person smells like cigarette smoke, he might as well have a crack pipe in peeking out from his shirt pocket.

    The blacks and Hispanics seem like they smoke at the same or similar rates that they always did.

    Quitting smoking leads to obesity- full stop. Do never-smoked non-smokers have higher rates of obesity than smokers? I don't know, but probably. Is smoking worse than obesity? Don't expect an honest answer after the lawyers and government have declared victory over Tobacco and picked its carcass clean.

    I am a long-since-quit-ex-smoker who has fully embraced the dividing classist line between those who partake and those who do not. I have no agenda to promote tobacco. But people who got lung cancer from smoking usually got it in their 60's, and I've only known one person die from it. People who get problems from obesity have heart, vessel, and endocrine trouble starting in their 40's, and I know a whole lot of them.

    I’m pretty sure smoking is way worse for you than obesity, though both tend to be more concentrated among lower-class whites. As I understand it, it’s not really the obesity that’s the killer either–being fat is an indicator of being in bad condition and having bad cholesterol numbers and arteries, and those are what gets you.

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  28. This documentary sounds relevant.

    Cottonland

    Nance Ackerman, 2006, 53 min 38 s

    In this feature-length documentary, photographer Nance Ackerman describes the havoc prescription painkiller OxyContin wreaked in the already weakened Cape Breton town of Glace Bay. The film guides us through a culture of economic and social depression where we encounter men and women at different stages of dependency. Demystifying the world of the addict while showing us the complex social nexus that led to such despair, Cottonland emphasizes the importance of a collective approach to tackling addiction.

    https://www.nfb.ca/film/cottonland

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    As a Canadian, I'm wondering what the stats are here versus the American stats. OxyContin has been a massive problem in some areas of Canada and heroin and especially fentanyl overdoses are up. I haven't seen anyone pick up on the Canadian aspect of this story in the media and I don't expect them too.
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  29. @let it burn
    @Though in recent years local, small scale meth labs seem to have been replaced by importation from the big labs in Mexico.

    is there anything that won't be offshored, outsorced, insourced, or h1-b'd to drive america's economic miracle machine to infinity and beyond?

    That’s the result of our policies–making sudafed much harder to get by imposing ID requirements led to Mexican drug gangs taking over production. This probably made the world a worse place in a dozen ways.

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  30. I keep wondering if, when all is said and done, this will be something real or will dissolve into the “elderly Hispanic woman” effect–where you keep dividing your study to look at smaller and smaller groups until you find *some* kind of effect just by random chance.

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    "The Elderly Hispanic Women Effect"


    Elderly Hispanic women are a sizable demographic group who live a long time on average for reasons that are not well understood at present, but would be useful to know.
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  31. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Wilkey
    The states that do the worst seem to be Southern states with white populations that are heavily British. States with large numbers of Germans and Scandinavians do really well. Even northern states with heavily British populations (Maine, etc.) do quite well.

    The best explanation for D.C. - and to a lesser extent New York, California, and New Jersey - is that they are expensive places that whites may be more inclined to leave if their health starts to fade. If you're a white living in D.C. then you are either rich or employed. If your health starts to go and you're not rich you'll probably move out before you die - to some place with cheaper housing, or with friends or family members, etc. That is probably far more true today than it was in 1999, especially if you have a home with value you can tap to live on.

    One problem with the Southern states is that the civil rights movement has increasingly destroyed any sense of community that existed among whites. White neighborhoods are never more than one small court decision or dumbass policy (e.g., Section 8 vouchers) away from complete ruination. That makes people less inclined to invest in their communities and create the kind of infrastructure that helps keep people from falling into the abyss.

    It would also be interesting to know how much of the increase is due to not just lower class whites, but childless, unmarried lower class whites. Until the last decade or so lower class whites could at least be counted on to marry and have kids. Absent those motives to keep people occupied and on the straight and narrow, it gives people a huge void to fill that they're increasingly filling with drugs. The combination of single, childless, and lower class is a deadly one. Most lower class blacks and Hispanics still have kids, which is probably why their death rates haven't risen.

    Maine has a lot of French. And they are very French; thick accents, feisty personas, speak French in the home, the works. When I lived there I knew many Cyr’s, Corveaux’s, Levasseur’s, etc. They are more like Cajuns than Quebecois, but like both, have been there for centuries.

    There was a lot of Irish descent, too.

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  32. Obesity is an obvious symptom of the white American malaise. Using Sendil’s data and non-hispanic white obesity rates from the CDC, the correlation is 0.75. I’d be interested in state data on white drug and alcohol use, or any other relevant explanatory factors.

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  33. @Steve Sailer
    Good point. Maybe West Virginia's clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

    It seems to me that death rates relative to average income/unemployment and/or the cost of living are begging to be examined. Perhaps marginalized people are drinking more and doing meth because they see no light at the end of the tunnel. If you can’t afford to form a family, you are already dead.

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  34. I’m pretty sure the death rate is related to drug use, specifically, meth, and opiates leading up to heroin. Also alcohol abuse as a contributing factor. I say this because I’ve seen this among my neighbors. However, I stress the fault is not with the drugs, because I have used analogs (sudafed, percocet, vicodin) at times in my life and they are very effective and useful, and I also think that putting further restrictions on the access to these kinds of things is just further punishing people for what the fringe will do with them.

    I think the key issue here is that the increased death rate applies mostly to Gen Xers, and many of them are rootless because they never achieved the financial security to set up homes and raise kids. That is what gets middle aged people to take care of themselves; by the same token, most drug use, and particularly things like meth and opioids, are boredom drugs. The same applies to obesity. Where obesity touches drug use is that in both cases you are looking at people who eventually become heavily medicated if not complete shut-ins.

    I don’t think tobacco use has much to do with it; I do know some heavy drinkers (also smokers) who perished from lung cancer in their ’50′s, but they were obviously unwell for a good while before then. I myself still use nicotine, but no question tobacco use is way down in general: it’s an expensive habit. I think obesity and inactivity are probably more relevant. Part of living a long time is the belief that you need to be alive.

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    However, I stress the fault is not with the drugs, because I have used analogs (sudafed, percocet, vicodin) at times in my life and they are very effective and useful, and I also think that putting further restrictions on the access to these kinds of things is just further punishing people for what the fringe will do with them.
     
    I completely agree. Drug policies tend to throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Consider the results: Restrict opioid prescriptions and people turn to much more dangerous heroin. Restrict pseudoephedrine sales to the public, and big drug cartels take over producing meth. The abusers are still abusing, only now they're doing so in ways that are more dangerous to themselves and/or more destructive to society.
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  35. Hello Steve

    I haven’t seen this discussed much in relation to the white death.

    Mortality, Mass-Layoffs, and Career Outcomes: An Analysis using Administrative Data

    Daniel Sullivan, Till von Wachter

    “The results suggest a particularly pronounced increase in mortality during the period immediately following job loss and long-run increase of 15-20% in the annual probability of dying persisting for at least the next 20 years.”

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w13626

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  36. @Anatoly Karlin
    The most interesting part about this is that it implies that the fact that Whites in D.C. are head and shoulders above the Whites of any other state in terms of life expectancy (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/) is in fact a very recent development that occurred between 1999 and 2013.

    This stands to reason given reports of D.C.'s good economic performance on the back of security contracts, which were getting handed out like candy after 9/11. Although the sheer magnitude of the improvement is surprisingly nonetheless. While American Whites as a group have the life expectancy of Chile and Denmark (the short-lived fully developed European country), the Whites in D.C. in particular have a life expectancy higher than that of any country in the world.

    Easy. High income, secure, low stress government jobs. The security and low stress matters way more than the income, but that helps too.

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  37. @Chrisnonymous
    Well, DC is wholly apart. It's not just eager beaver ex-student council presidents. There also the cream of the military crop--men and women with the self-discipline to get up 4:00am instead of 5:00 so they can get in an hour of exercise before work.

    I was in DC for a year in 2000 but also several times in the early 90s, and I was impressed then at all the young fit focused-looking population. I think DC has always been full of the same type of people.

    think DC has always been full of the same type of people.

    Yes, it has. There were lots of yuppies in Washington in 1970s, even before the word had been coined.

    DC is sui generis. It always has been, but the gap between DC whites and the rest of the white population has been growing in recent years.

    OTOH, it’s worth noting that the population of the District of Columbia is only 650,000, while the entire metro area has 6,000,000. In other words, you’re looking at a small and largely self-selected group of the most affluent, educated people in America. It’s not surprising that they’re doing well.

    More informative would be the change in death rate for the metropolitan area as a whole. I suspect there would still be a drop – probably greater than the drop in any state – but nowhere near as a dramatic as that for DC itself.

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  38. Belmont will not survive the destruction of Fishtown.

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  39. @Blah
    As I have said before, in 1997 the FDA finally allowed mass advertising for prescription drugs of all kinds onto television. (DTCA- Direct to consumer advertising).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278148/

    Remember prior to that time period there was never an ad that said "ask your doctor if ---- is right for you...." This capitulation to Big Pharma coincided with a push to get doctors on board. I remember a doctor in the late 90s trying to put me on anti-depressants when I went to him with simple fatigue. I
    declined. I'm sure an attractive drug rep must've recently talked up Prozac or whatever in the months before my appointment. And I am sure Geneeal Practitioners get kick backs at a time when their margins are getting squeezed by liability and medical insurance.

    White have historical had better prescription coverage, I assume, and better access to this gateway to prescription meds.

    As I have said before, in 1997 the FDA finally allowed mass advertising for prescription drugs of all kinds onto television. (DTCA- Direct to consumer advertising).

    Have opioids ever been advertised to the public? I don’t recall seeing any ads for OxyContin (most likely one to be advertised), but perhaps I missed them.

    I’m sure an attractive drug rep must’ve recently talked up Prozac or whatever in the months before my appointment. And I am sure Geneeal Practitioners get kick backs at a time when their margins are getting squeezed by liability and medical insurance.

    Possibly. Or possibly doctors generally like helping people and making them feel better and actually believed the many very respected experts telling them that medicine had been too tight with the painkillers and needed to loosen up, while also believing that anti-depressants actually do help people. In fact, they do.

    Every new type of drug (not that opiates are new, but SSRI’s were in the 90s) is overused at first; antibiotics were wildly overprescribed in 1950s. Doctors like making people better, and patients love – seriously, most people absolutely love – taking pills. They ask for drugs, and many physicians find it easier to say yes than to resist, especially when the patient is very persistent and the drug might actually help, if only by placebo effect.

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  40. Someone needs to turn this into a map.

    If they don’t soon, I will.

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    yes. this is pretty much American Nations. (see all of jayman's posts on the topic.) i didn't make a map, but i did make a list:

    DEEP SOUTH + GREATER APPALACHIA

    636 = Mississippi (Deep South)
    627 = West Virginia (Greater Appalachia)
    610 = Oklahoma (Greater Appalachia)
    586 = Alabama (Deep South)
    568 = Tennessee (Greater Appalachia)
    565 = Arkansas (Greater Appalachia)
    561 = Kentucky (Greater Appalachia)
    538 = Nevada (Far West)
    512 = South Carolina (Deep South)
    505 = Louisiana (Deep South)
    483 = Arizona (Far West)
    483 = Florida (Deep South)
    471 = Georgia (Deep South)
    465 = Missouri (Greater Appalachia)

    GREATER APPALACHIA + TIDEWATER

    464 = Delaware (Tidewater)
    459 = Indiana Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    459 = Ohio (Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    455 = New Mexico (Far West)
    442 = Texas (Greater Appalachia + Deep South + El Norte)
    440 = North Carolina (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia + Deep South)

    FAR WEST

    437 = Wyoming (Far West)
    427 = Rhode Island (Yankeedom)
    420 = Kansas (Midlands)
    409 = Michigan (Yankeedom)
    404 = Idaho (Far West)
    404 = Oregon (Far West)
    387 = Montana (Far West)
    377 = California (Far West)

    MIDLANDS

    385 = Pennsylvania (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia + New Netherland)
    383 = Iowa (Midlands)
    366 = Virginia (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia)

    YANKEEDOM

    362 = Maine (Yankeedom)
    362 = North Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    359 = Washington (Far West)
    358 = Maryland (Tidewater + New Netherland)
    355 = Illinois (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia)
    353 = Vermont (Yankeedom)
    342 = New Jersey (Yankeedom)
    341 = Nebraska (Midlands + Far West)
    340 = Utah (Far West)
    337 = New Hampshire (Yankeedom)
    333 = Wisconsin (Yankeedom)
    326 = Massachusetts (Yankeedom)
    323 = New York (Yankeedom)
    323 = South Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    310 = Connecticut (Yankeedom)
    285 = Minnesota (Yankeedom)
    135 = D.C. (Tidewater)
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  41. @SPMoore8
    I'm pretty sure the death rate is related to drug use, specifically, meth, and opiates leading up to heroin. Also alcohol abuse as a contributing factor. I say this because I've seen this among my neighbors. However, I stress the fault is not with the drugs, because I have used analogs (sudafed, percocet, vicodin) at times in my life and they are very effective and useful, and I also think that putting further restrictions on the access to these kinds of things is just further punishing people for what the fringe will do with them.

    I think the key issue here is that the increased death rate applies mostly to Gen Xers, and many of them are rootless because they never achieved the financial security to set up homes and raise kids. That is what gets middle aged people to take care of themselves; by the same token, most drug use, and particularly things like meth and opioids, are boredom drugs. The same applies to obesity. Where obesity touches drug use is that in both cases you are looking at people who eventually become heavily medicated if not complete shut-ins.

    I don't think tobacco use has much to do with it; I do know some heavy drinkers (also smokers) who perished from lung cancer in their '50's, but they were obviously unwell for a good while before then. I myself still use nicotine, but no question tobacco use is way down in general: it's an expensive habit. I think obesity and inactivity are probably more relevant. Part of living a long time is the belief that you need to be alive.

    However, I stress the fault is not with the drugs, because I have used analogs (sudafed, percocet, vicodin) at times in my life and they are very effective and useful, and I also think that putting further restrictions on the access to these kinds of things is just further punishing people for what the fringe will do with them.

    I completely agree. Drug policies tend to throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Consider the results: Restrict opioid prescriptions and people turn to much more dangerous heroin. Restrict pseudoephedrine sales to the public, and big drug cartels take over producing meth. The abusers are still abusing, only now they’re doing so in ways that are more dangerous to themselves and/or more destructive to society.

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  42. @FactsAreImportant
    This documentary sounds relevant.

    Cottonland

    Nance Ackerman, 2006, 53 min 38 s

    In this feature-length documentary, photographer Nance Ackerman describes the havoc prescription painkiller OxyContin wreaked in the already weakened Cape Breton town of Glace Bay. The film guides us through a culture of economic and social depression where we encounter men and women at different stages of dependency. Demystifying the world of the addict while showing us the complex social nexus that led to such despair, Cottonland emphasizes the importance of a collective approach to tackling addiction.

    https://www.nfb.ca/film/cottonland

    As a Canadian, I’m wondering what the stats are here versus the American stats. OxyContin has been a massive problem in some areas of Canada and heroin and especially fentanyl overdoses are up. I haven’t seen anyone pick up on the Canadian aspect of this story in the media and I don’t expect them too.

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  43. @Robert Hume
    Also, I've noticed that bars are scarce in diverse areas. You go down to drink with your buddies, a diverse customer ruins the vibe most of the time. So perhaps diversity reduces alcohol consumption.

    Very true.

    Where I live – high desert outside of Los Angeles, it is a very diverse town. The bars are very few and even fewer dance clubs. Most were shut down in the early 80′s as blacks moved in thanks to low income apartments. They destroyed the bar and dance scene because when they showed up, violence wasn’t far behind.

    Whereas whites would duke it out with fists, the blacks would bring guns and use them. They also bullied whites like crazy. You did not want to hang around a dance club or bar when the blacks rolled in.

    Now with a influx of illegals and Mexican gang bangers, it has sealed the fate for most remaining bars. The few that do exist are upscale establishments that Mexicans and blacks generally avoid.

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  44. @Anonymous
    Is there any data on the change in the availability of drugs? Like drug price data? Back in the 90s, meth wasn't really in the mainstream popular discourse, but everyone now has heard of it as it entered popular discourse with Breaking Bad and news stories and the like. Presumably it's been more widely available and cheaper now than it was in the 90s and before. Also, I don't remember the Mexican drug cartels being a major news thing in the 90s like they have been over the past decade. Presumably the increase in Mexican cartel activity has increased the drug supply and lowered the prices in the US since the 90s.

    This has been stated in other threads, but in Ohio the recent statewide (last three years) crack down on painkillers and the doctors who prescribe them has had the predictable effects on the supply and demand price-point. The black market price of oxycontin shot up so quickly that heroin became a much cheaper and readily available alternative. Former oxy-addicts have switched over to heroin with the predictable effects of more overdoses.

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  45. Yes, North Dakota is an interesting case, and having relatives from there, I’m 100% convinced the increase is due to “foreigners” moving in due to the Energy Boom. The old ND’ers are the same as they’ve always been. Boring but extremely healthy.

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  46. @anonymous
    I knew some women in the "dead" demographic. When did MDs start handing out drugs like candy? Did the MDs reach a point where they said, ah, the heck with the oath, everybody is doing it...

    I don’t think you, or they, ever took that oath seriously. Anyone who does would take one look at what it requires oathtakers to do and realize that it’s totally incompatible with the modern profession.

    Shame, too – most versions are open-ended, calling upon any powers that are not specifically named in it to bear witness, which means it’s metaphysically enforceable by anyone and anything.

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  47. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Seems to me that a lot of people in this group just lost the will to live and went off the pier drinking, drugging, popping pills, not caring how they look and allowing themselves to become obese. These are all symptoms of demoralization and depression. Society has become atomized with few close friends and associates, work prospects for people who have only high school diplomas have gotten worse and people realize that they’re going to be poor their entire lives. Youth is gone and whatever chances they had have evaporated. It’s sad.

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  48. @NOTA
    I keep wondering if, when all is said and done, this will be something real or will dissolve into the "elderly Hispanic woman" effect--where you keep dividing your study to look at smaller and smaller groups until you find *some* kind of effect just by random chance.

    “The Elderly Hispanic Women Effect”

    Elderly Hispanic women are a sizable demographic group who live a long time on average for reasons that are not well understood at present, but would be useful to know.

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    Surely their uncanny wisdom plays a large role.
    , @Robert Hume
    I've read that Hispanic women don't drink much. That could help explain their long life. Sorry that I can't supply a reference. Also a lot of them are cleaning ladies and so get a reasonable amount of exercise.

    If it's true that they don't drink a lot then their children don't have as much fetal alcohol syndrome. It was only in the 70s that women of other ethnicities fully understood that they should not drink when pregnant. That could account for an advantage in longevity of male Hispanic's also, even if they do indulge in alcohol and other drugs.
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  49. @Steve Sailer
    Good point. Maybe West Virginia's clannishness contributes to its drug problems?

    The only time in my life when I was interested in buying marijuana was when I started chemotherapy and, yeah, I ran through a list of all my kin to figure out who could supply me (then realizing: none of them).

    closed coal mines

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  50. Because CDC Wonder lacks data for many states when it comes to causes of death, it is not possible for me to complete the table. I’m not working on the table anymore.

    (sorry if this is posted twice, have issues with this site)

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  51. Interesting how California, one of the most diverse states, have seen declining rates.

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  52. Working class whites are virtually nonexistent in D.C. and its’ inner suburbs. That’s one of the first things I noticed when I moved to this area from Chicago. You have to go out to Prince William County in Virginia and western Montgomery County in Maryland before you start to encounter working class whites. Almost all working class folks inside the Beltway are black or Hispanic.

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    There was a substantial working class white population in the Virginia suburbs in the 70s. A substantial portion of them commuted for the working week from West Virginia. Public radio had several hours of Bluegrass in those days.

    They've been replaced by Hispanics. The Hispanics also displaced a substantial population of working class blacks who specialized in masonry. Plumbers HVAC and electricians are still dominated by whites. However they tend to live in the far suburbs.
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  53. Because CDC Wonder lacks data for many states when it comes to causes of death, it is not possible for me to complete the table. I’m not working on the table anymore.

    Perhaps this comes as no surprise, but at first glance it would appear that for states that have available data, the increase from suicide, poisonings, and liver cirrhosis was pretty much universal.

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  54. I’ve added Colorado.

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  55. of course! the biggest welfare states! where folks wait on a gov check and die young!!!

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  56. @Steve Sailer
    "The Elderly Hispanic Women Effect"


    Elderly Hispanic women are a sizable demographic group who live a long time on average for reasons that are not well understood at present, but would be useful to know.

    Surely their uncanny wisdom plays a large role.

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  57. @Steve Sailer
    "The Elderly Hispanic Women Effect"


    Elderly Hispanic women are a sizable demographic group who live a long time on average for reasons that are not well understood at present, but would be useful to know.

    I’ve read that Hispanic women don’t drink much. That could help explain their long life. Sorry that I can’t supply a reference. Also a lot of them are cleaning ladies and so get a reasonable amount of exercise.

    If it’s true that they don’t drink a lot then their children don’t have as much fetal alcohol syndrome. It was only in the 70s that women of other ethnicities fully understood that they should not drink when pregnant. That could account for an advantage in longevity of male Hispanic’s also, even if they do indulge in alcohol and other drugs.

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    Hispanics also have lower infant mortality and low birth weight babies than whites, iirc. This tends to undermine the racism explanation for why blacks have higher rates of both.
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  58. @JayMan
    Someone needs to turn this into a map.

    If they don't soon, I will.

    yes. this is pretty much American Nations. (see all of jayman’s posts on the topic.) i didn’t make a map, but i did make a list:

    DEEP SOUTH + GREATER APPALACHIA

    636 = Mississippi (Deep South)
    627 = West Virginia (Greater Appalachia)
    610 = Oklahoma (Greater Appalachia)
    586 = Alabama (Deep South)
    568 = Tennessee (Greater Appalachia)
    565 = Arkansas (Greater Appalachia)
    561 = Kentucky (Greater Appalachia)
    538 = Nevada (Far West)
    512 = South Carolina (Deep South)
    505 = Louisiana (Deep South)
    483 = Arizona (Far West)
    483 = Florida (Deep South)
    471 = Georgia (Deep South)
    465 = Missouri (Greater Appalachia)

    GREATER APPALACHIA + TIDEWATER

    464 = Delaware (Tidewater)
    459 = Indiana Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    459 = Ohio (Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    455 = New Mexico (Far West)
    442 = Texas (Greater Appalachia + Deep South + El Norte)
    440 = North Carolina (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia + Deep South)

    FAR WEST

    437 = Wyoming (Far West)
    427 = Rhode Island (Yankeedom)
    420 = Kansas (Midlands)
    409 = Michigan (Yankeedom)
    404 = Idaho (Far West)
    404 = Oregon (Far West)
    387 = Montana (Far West)
    377 = California (Far West)

    MIDLANDS

    385 = Pennsylvania (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia + New Netherland)
    383 = Iowa (Midlands)
    366 = Virginia (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia)

    YANKEEDOM

    362 = Maine (Yankeedom)
    362 = North Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    359 = Washington (Far West)
    358 = Maryland (Tidewater + New Netherland)
    355 = Illinois (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia)
    353 = Vermont (Yankeedom)
    342 = New Jersey (Yankeedom)
    341 = Nebraska (Midlands + Far West)
    340 = Utah (Far West)
    337 = New Hampshire (Yankeedom)
    333 = Wisconsin (Yankeedom)
    326 = Massachusetts (Yankeedom)
    323 = New York (Yankeedom)
    323 = South Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    310 = Connecticut (Yankeedom)
    285 = Minnesota (Yankeedom)
    135 = D.C. (Tidewater)

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    Hmmm. Final victory of those damn Yankee Puritans over the low-class Rebel Scots/Scots-Irish? Or, going back further, the Roundheads getting final vengeance on the Cavaliers?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundhead
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  59. @Rosh
    Working class whites are virtually nonexistent in D.C. and its' inner suburbs. That's one of the first things I noticed when I moved to this area from Chicago. You have to go out to Prince William County in Virginia and western Montgomery County in Maryland before you start to encounter working class whites. Almost all working class folks inside the Beltway are black or Hispanic.

    There was a substantial working class white population in the Virginia suburbs in the 70s. A substantial portion of them commuted for the working week from West Virginia. Public radio had several hours of Bluegrass in those days.

    They’ve been replaced by Hispanics. The Hispanics also displaced a substantial population of working class blacks who specialized in masonry. Plumbers HVAC and electricians are still dominated by whites. However they tend to live in the far suburbs.

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  60. Isn’t DC a major gay capital? Much of the improvement might be attributable to AZT.

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    Yes, that may make sense.
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  61. Don’t forget there is an anti drug lobby, and they have captured the CDC.

    From memory, the statistics were death by controlled substances including suicide and combination with other medications. Drugs seems like as good a way as any of killing yourself.

    And the multi drug deaths are inherently subjective. Was it the alcohol or the oxy that did it?

    Meanwhile, crackdown on prescribed opiates has fueled heroin use. Mexico is the low cost producer and are even undercutting prescription opiates.

    I am firmly in favor of pain medication mills. It provides some control and order to the use of opiates. A few thousand deaths … including a lot that were inevitable, seems a small price to pay for the benefits of quasi legalization. And, using drugs is an American tradition.

    As far as meth? Say they have ADHD and get them on reasonable doses of amphetamines. It is safe enough for school children. What a fuckiing nanny state.

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    I think a lot of European countries Have settled to some kind of stable policy where they keep heroin illegal to try to dissuade people from becoming junkies, but then register junkies and provide them safe-quality heroin in some supervised environment, since heroin addiction is super hard to break and addicts who don't have a supply will commit crimes to get it.
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  62. @Reg Cæsar
    Isn't DC a major gay capital? Much of the improvement might be attributable to AZT.

    Yes, that may make sense.

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  63. @Eagle
    Having lived in the DC suburbs and having a kid in school in the city, I wholeheartedly disagree. The young women there tend much more toward Lena Dunham. The quote I come back to is that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    Lots of good looking women in Vegas.

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  64. @hbd chick
    yes. this is pretty much American Nations. (see all of jayman's posts on the topic.) i didn't make a map, but i did make a list:

    DEEP SOUTH + GREATER APPALACHIA

    636 = Mississippi (Deep South)
    627 = West Virginia (Greater Appalachia)
    610 = Oklahoma (Greater Appalachia)
    586 = Alabama (Deep South)
    568 = Tennessee (Greater Appalachia)
    565 = Arkansas (Greater Appalachia)
    561 = Kentucky (Greater Appalachia)
    538 = Nevada (Far West)
    512 = South Carolina (Deep South)
    505 = Louisiana (Deep South)
    483 = Arizona (Far West)
    483 = Florida (Deep South)
    471 = Georgia (Deep South)
    465 = Missouri (Greater Appalachia)

    GREATER APPALACHIA + TIDEWATER

    464 = Delaware (Tidewater)
    459 = Indiana Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    459 = Ohio (Greater Appalachia + Midlands + Yankeedom)
    455 = New Mexico (Far West)
    442 = Texas (Greater Appalachia + Deep South + El Norte)
    440 = North Carolina (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia + Deep South)

    FAR WEST

    437 = Wyoming (Far West)
    427 = Rhode Island (Yankeedom)
    420 = Kansas (Midlands)
    409 = Michigan (Yankeedom)
    404 = Idaho (Far West)
    404 = Oregon (Far West)
    387 = Montana (Far West)
    377 = California (Far West)

    MIDLANDS

    385 = Pennsylvania (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia + New Netherland)
    383 = Iowa (Midlands)
    366 = Virginia (Tidewater + Greater Appalachia)

    YANKEEDOM

    362 = Maine (Yankeedom)
    362 = North Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    359 = Washington (Far West)
    358 = Maryland (Tidewater + New Netherland)
    355 = Illinois (Yankeedom + Midlands + Greater Appalachia)
    353 = Vermont (Yankeedom)
    342 = New Jersey (Yankeedom)
    341 = Nebraska (Midlands + Far West)
    340 = Utah (Far West)
    337 = New Hampshire (Yankeedom)
    333 = Wisconsin (Yankeedom)
    326 = Massachusetts (Yankeedom)
    323 = New York (Yankeedom)
    323 = South Dakota (Yankeedom + Midlands + Far West)
    310 = Connecticut (Yankeedom)
    285 = Minnesota (Yankeedom)
    135 = D.C. (Tidewater)

    Hmmm. Final victory of those damn Yankee Puritans over the low-class Rebel Scots/Scots-Irish? Or, going back further, the Roundheads getting final vengeance on the Cavaliers?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundhead

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  65. @Robert Hume
    I've read that Hispanic women don't drink much. That could help explain their long life. Sorry that I can't supply a reference. Also a lot of them are cleaning ladies and so get a reasonable amount of exercise.

    If it's true that they don't drink a lot then their children don't have as much fetal alcohol syndrome. It was only in the 70s that women of other ethnicities fully understood that they should not drink when pregnant. That could account for an advantage in longevity of male Hispanic's also, even if they do indulge in alcohol and other drugs.

    Hispanics also have lower infant mortality and low birth weight babies than whites, iirc. This tends to undermine the racism explanation for why blacks have higher rates of both.

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  66. @FWIW
    Don't forget there is an anti drug lobby, and they have captured the CDC.

    From memory, the statistics were death by controlled substances including suicide and combination with other medications. Drugs seems like as good a way as any of killing yourself.

    And the multi drug deaths are inherently subjective. Was it the alcohol or the oxy that did it?

    Meanwhile, crackdown on prescribed opiates has fueled heroin use. Mexico is the low cost producer and are even undercutting prescription opiates.

    I am firmly in favor of pain medication mills. It provides some control and order to the use of opiates. A few thousand deaths ... including a lot that were inevitable, seems a small price to pay for the benefits of quasi legalization. And, using drugs is an American tradition.

    As far as meth? Say they have ADHD and get them on reasonable doses of amphetamines. It is safe enough for school children. What a fuckiing nanny state.

    I think a lot of European countries Have settled to some kind of stable policy where they keep heroin illegal to try to dissuade people from becoming junkies, but then register junkies and provide them safe-quality heroin in some supervised environment, since heroin addiction is super hard to break and addicts who don’t have a supply will commit crimes to get it.

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