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From the FBI’s newly released 2018 crime statistics:

FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 11
Murder Circumstances
by Weapon, 2018
Circumstances Percent Total
Total murder victims NA 14,123
Total firearms NA 10,265
Total Specified Weapons 100.0% 10,093
Handguns 65.4% 6,603
Rifles 2.9% 297
Shotguns 2.3% 235
Other guns or type not stated NA 3,130
Knives or cutting instruments 15.0% 1,515
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 4.4% 443
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 6.6% 668
Poison 0.0% 5
Pushed or thrown out window 0.0% 4
Explosives 0.0% 4
Fire 0.7% 72
Narcotics 0.8% 78
Drowning 0.1% 9
Strangulation 0.7% 70
Asphyxiation 0.9% 90
Other NA 900

Leaving aside the 4,030 murder victims where the weapon or method is not specified well enough to be usable in this calculation, handguns accounted for 65.4% of murders, followed by knives at 15.0%, personal weapons (such as fists) at 6.6%, blunt instruments at 4.4%, rifles at 2.9%, and shotguns at 2.3%.

In the later 20th Century, most gun control advocates focused on the large amount of killing done with handguns, which remain by far the most lethal type of homicide weapon. Plus, handguns are the most commonly used weapons in armed robberies. In general, criminals vastly prefer easily concealed handguns to long guns, which call attention to those carrying them as they go about their business.

Today, however, handguns don’t get that much attention from gun control advocates, who tend to obsess over rifles, especially the AR-15.

And yet, rifles account for only 2.9% of murders in which the type of weapon was specified. Adding in shotguns, long guns only add up to 5.2% of murders. And long guns are seldom used to knock over liquor stores or to terrify a rape victim. They call too much attention to themselves.

Rifles are used in one kind of intentionally attention-grabbing type of homicide: one-way trip mass shootings in which the shooter doesn’t expect to ever come home, either dying in the course of his crime or going to prison for a very long time. These crimes are appalling, although the total number of murder victims from them are a small percentage of the annual national toll.

In contrast, attention paid to handguns seems to be in decline as it increasingly is coming to seem racist to want to disarm black criminals of their handguns.

 
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  1. Your last sentence points out the pattern:

    Handgun = black = non news worthy crime.

    Long gun = white = legislation.

    • Replies: @TGGP
    , @Realist
    , @Al Liguori
  2. There is no longer any attempt to “make sense” with any of this stuff: immigration, “diversity!”, homos, trannies, guns, “race does not exist”, racism!, hate hoaxes, #MeToo, Russia, Ukraine, Halloween, hair touching …

    Making sense is white, neo-colonial and phallocentric–wrong!

    • Replies: @istevefan
  3. The ctrl-left gun-control-nuts just don’t know that much about guns. It could be that they just have heard of ARs and probably AK-47s, but not 1911s, etc. You don’t hear them talking about bolt action, lever action, or semi-auto. It’d take too much thinking to delve into the world of guns, versus just plain using their emotions to get their point across.

    They really have no idea about semi-automatic vs. automatic, clips vs. magazines, FJM vs. hollow point, and so on. Those ARs look SCARY and that’s a problem.

    Looking at the simple and very useful table, I’d say that it’s twice as important to ban hands, fists, and feet than rifles. Perhaps they should be registered or at least tattooed. Why come you don’t have a tattoo?

  4. In this case, the Whom have a very long tradition of owning and cherishing rifles, a tradition which clearly cannot stand.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  5. Kronos says:

    In the book “Ghettoside” the author details the time consuming nature of ballistic testing (that revolvers are the bane of forensic labs.) Many of the guns used (especially during “The Big Years”) were quite old. That contemporary South Central black homicides still use guns from the 1960s-1970s and are of cheap/basic design. I guess Mexican Gunrunners (like Mexican drug dealers in “Dreamland”) don’t conduct business with blacks.

    Do gun control advocates believe that by targeting rural whites first, blacks will eventually be incarcerated in masse for gun violations? But that whites have to take the fall first?

  6. In contrast, attention paid to handguns seems to be in decline as it increasingly is coming to seem racist to want to disarm black criminals of their handguns.

    It’s a natural next step, after punishing anyone who calls the cops on black people for any reason, and decriminalizing offenses if they are committed by blacks, and declining to prosecute or convict or incarcerate black criminals because racism, etc etc.

    I’d give anything to see the next democrat debate moderator ask for a show of hands: who’s in favor of distributing handguns to young black men, or are you racist? We’d better give some to immigrants too, to go with their free health care. I mean, what if they have trouble getting their gibs? What’s an immigrant to do? Or a black man for that matter. Social Justice. Now.

  7. guest says:

    Let’s make a concerted effort to push mass murderers away from rifles and shotties toward IEDs.

    I don’t think regular folk realize how hard it is to kill with rifles. Props to the D.C. snipers for their discipline.

    Rifles can more easily be used for suppressing fire, if you wanna draw cops into a Heat situation. Then you can bring mortars and hand-grenades and make it a show.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Semi-Hemi
    , @NickG
  8. Hail says: • Website

    Pushed or thrown out window 0.0% 4

    It appears they have an anti-Latin-word activist on the loose within the FBI, who forbade the agency to use the simple, useful, and strong term Defenestrate.

    Actual pictorial record of Prague citizens defenestrating on May 23, 1618:

    [MORE]

  9. Arclight says:

    The left understands full well that coming down hard on the use of guns in crime or possession of an illegal weapon means lots more mostly black people in prison or with longer sentences, and obviously they aren’t going to advocate for locking up their own constituents (or their sons, grandsons, and boyfriends).

    It’s much easier to focus on long guns, which are mostly owned by whites who aren’t going to vote Democratic anyway.

    The thousands of black Americans killed annually by handguns are simply a political price of business.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Sye says:

    The fact that around 8% of murders (including strangulation and suffocation) are done Mano a Mano is incredible.

    I mean that’s stuff from the movies. Letting a buddy snort your fentanyl or shooting your cheating wife I get, but people actually beating othet people TO DEATH?

    I have a question:

    What about sex?

    Various levels of “rough” sex are socially countenanced, how many people are killed during sex? And are they always judged as manslaughter or more?

    Which brings me to prison.

    How much murder-by-Fist-Foot-F**k is from prisons and jails?

    Also, how many murders in the deep ghetto never get recorded as a murder at all?

    And from there — how about the hundred of “deaths by police”, both out of custody and while in custody get listed as homicides?

    People still beat each other to death. It’s amazing.

  11. Andrew M says:

    Handgun murders consist mainly of lowlifes killing other lowlifes; whereas the AR-15 is the weapon of choice for white schoolboys committing mass shootings of other white schoolboys. Middle America’s soccer moms are right to disproportionally fear rifles.

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @TGGP
    , @B.
  12. vinny says:

    For your average suburbanite, it’s a lot easier to imagine being at a mall or school when a lunatic starts shooting with an AR-15 than it is imagine being at a drug deal gone bad.

    It’saA lot easier to avoid drug dealers than schools.

  13. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    There is no longer any attempt to “make sense” with any of this stuff: immigration, “diversity!”, homos, trannies, guns, “race does not exist”, racism!, hate hoaxes, #MeToo, Russia, Ukraine, Halloween, hair touching …

    It makes sense if the purpose is to keep us forever occupied trying to put out fires here and there while the elite rule the roost.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  14. Clyde says:

    Hunters use rifles. Hunters are bad whites who are probably Orange Men like Trump/. Therefor ban rifles. btw I hear that so called assault weapons are awesome for getting bucks (deer) and a necessity for killing wild boars who are viciously tusked, they can charge and kill you and have enough blubber to not get knocked down by one or two bullets.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Logan
  15. @Kronos

    A truly depressing book. What angers me most about Obama and his kin is that Obama could have actually done something about this. Instead he chose to go the Racist path (“My son would look like Travyon”) and helped to cause the fall in murder rates to reverse.
    I have to listen to CNN at work and I am wondering if there are any issues where liberals aren’t insane? ?

  16. @Hail

    It appears they have an anti-Latin-word activist on the loose within the FBI, who forbade the agency to use the simple, useful, and strong term Defenestrate.

    When I visited the notorious window in Prague in 1985, the aging guard simply nodded and announced, “Defenestrace! “ Then she followed up with the less international and comprehensible “Fensterschutz!” ,

    I guess I looked more German than I thought.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Hail
  17. Farenheit says:

    I’d love to have a look at those 900 murders that couldn’t be classified. I’d be willing to guess that they’d make some great lead ins to some awesome comedy sketches.

  18. Lot says:

    It looks like the war on poisoning has been won. Only five nationwide in a country of 330 million?

    I think Catherine de’ Medici may have poisoned more people in certain weekends than all Americans combined in 2018.

    Nice to see the FBI has a separate category for fatal defenestrations. That’s important data.

  19. Jack D says:

    I’m surprised that no one has pointed out that if you don’t favor the idea of future Minutemen hiding behind stone walls and picking off future mercenaries of the Empire, you would want to make sure that the population doesn’t have long guns. They really don’t want white men to even have the vote anymore, no less have the ability to form a militia. If we only could take the vote away from white men, then Trump could be safely impeached and his like could never be elected again. And this is what REPUBLICANS in Washington think. God only knows what Dems think.

  20. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Poison is a Russian thing. Americans see it as an unsporting way to kill your enemies.

    • Replies: @Lot
  21. Lot says:
    @Kronos

    “Mexican Gunrunners“

    Nobody is smuggling guns from Mexico into the USA. It is very much the other way around.

    We can be proud that we have the deepest and widest primary and secondary small arms market in the world. With 4% of the world’s population, more than a third of the privately owned guns!

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Anonymous
    , @Al Liguori
  22. J1234 says:

    It’s been this way for years. Stats are pretty similar to those of around the 2013 era (Sandy Hook and the ensuing panic.)

    Everyone knows handguns are at the top. Handguns are handy and concealable, as are knives, explaining their #1 and 2 positions. I would never keep a rifle ready for home defense, even if over-penetration and disabling decibel levels weren’t considerations. Handguns can be charged and aimed quicker by the average gun owner, and reloaded quicker, too (semi-auto.)

    Rifles toward the bottom. Hitting/punching/kicking more than rifles and shotguns combined. That “other” category has me scratching my head. I’m guessing that includes undetermined cause of death, but I don’t know. Maybe if a body decays to much to be able to tell (?) I’m sure there are the occasional wood-chipper murders like in horror movies.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @anon
  23. bjondo says:

    Nothing about rocks?
    Israelis are terrified of rocks
    thrown by 10 yr olds or 2 yr olds.
    Terrified inside a tank of thick steel
    with the steel covered by over armor
    and the over armor covered with sand bags
    and the sand bags covered by something.
    Maybe repello?
    Then the earth collapsed.

    Almost forgot,
    the heroes
    inside the tanks are themselves
    covered in armor
    head to toe.
    Mouthgards too.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  24. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think in Prague, especially at that time, the most common foreign tourists would have been (East) Germans and English was not yet their lingua franca. One thing that winning the Cold War accomplished is that English is now the undisputed global lingua franca. It’s almost not fun anymore in that you really have to try hard to find a place where you can’t just speak English and have to resort to your phrasebook and gestures. You can even do near Star Trek level translation on your phone. It really takes the challenge out of traveling. It used to be a lot more fun when you’d see a sign like this and you’d have no idea as to what not to do:

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mr. Anon
  25. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos

    When I had a lathe I made a new barrel for a .30 Carbine Ruger Blackhawk from a surplus two groove Springfield rifle barrel. I sold it together with the potted factory barrel. The likelihood it ever would be used in a crime is minuscule, but if it was, Ballistics would be flummoxed.

    • Replies: @bomag
  26. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Disappointing there’s no bear trap and inducement of medical error (eg switching heart meds with placebo) category.

    A removal of a “road ends” sign before a cliff is another one that doesn’t fit into any FBI category. Many other Wily E. Coyote methods probably fall into blunt force and explosion.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  27. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Gun control runs in cycles, sorta like locusts. Go back to the 1920’s “no pistols in the mail” legislation designed to stop New Yorkers from going around the Sullivan Act and work forwards. The National Firearms Act of 1934 was aimed at automatic weapons like machineguns AND sound suppressors AND it originally was also going to restrict the then-new .357 Magnum. Lather, rinse and repeat in the 1960’s, the 70’s, the 80’s, 90’s….Clinton signed the Brady Handgun act but also the Ugly Gun Ban.

    The other thing to remember – it’s all like Goldilocks. Some guns are too big and some guns are too small somehow there’s never a rightsized gun. Because the point is to disarm the people. All the rest is just wrapping paper for that particular turd.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  28. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Man do I want to pull that lever now. Perhaps it would be prudent to do it with a rope from 10 feet away.

    Where does the (((Uzi))) carbine fit?

  29. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    By the way, those FBI murder stats come from the same database that show 50% of all murders in the US are committed by blacks. 13% of the population. Actually it’s not all black people, it’s young black men; arguably 3 % to 4% of the total population.

    The related data from the CDC shows that for black men in the 18 to 35 age group the #1 cause of death is “homicide”.

    Now that I’ve typed these hatefacts I must report to Big Sibling for re-education.

  30. istevefan says:

    Strangulation 0.7% 70

    If you watch old tv shows and movies the above figure for strangulation comes as a surprise. I think there was a guy known as the Boston Strangler about 50 to 60 years ago. So what’s up with the low numbers of strangulation?

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  31. Tom-in-VA says:

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/1/fairfax-county-suspends-police-officer-ice-coopera/

    A Virginia chief of police suspended one of his own officers for notifying ICE that he had detained an illegal alien for driving without a license who had an outstanding ICE warrant.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jim Don Bob
  32. Mudflap says: • Website

    I’m sorry but I’m stuck on the 4 hillary supporters in the table who got “pushed or thrown out a window”. 😉


  33. [MORE]

    Close watchers will remember that Borat’s retarded brother did indeed “get this”—the above video is a gunnypot invitation to a clusterfuck party for the ages. Meaning: Beto and company, you don’t wanna get this. 😐

  34. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    They really don’t want white men to even have the vote anymore, no less have the ability to form a militia.

    We don’t need to worry about that because we have the 2nd amendment. We will never exercise the 2nd amendment as the Founders intended, but we have it, so we can just sit back, relax and watch the TV.

    I am beginning to think the 2nd amendment is giving a lot of folks a false sense of security that things won’t get bad because the government wouldn’t dare do anything to antagonize the militia. But the rate of change of crazy coming out of our government is accelerating, and people don’t feel the need to protest like the Yellow Vests of France because they have their guns.

    I sort of hope Beto’s gun grab takes off with the democrats and becomes something the party publicly endorses. Short of that I don’t see the government doing anything to wake up the majority of folks who think their guns are protecting them.

    • Replies: @216
  35. Black people in ChiTown form their own gun organizations:

    “Come Out Fighting” The 761st Gun Club of Chicago

    https://www.761stgunclub.com/

    “The goal of the 761st is we want to change the perception of the black gun owner within the black community,” said Amoah. It’s designed to be a meeting place for African Americans to share their knowledge of firearms and firearms law, while discussing issues that are most relevant to the community. Education is a main driving force behind why Amoah started the club. “What we’ve noticed is that people want to be involved with the firearm but they don’t know what the first step is… We want to show them what the FOID card is, how you obtain one, and how you take the concealed carry class,” said Amoah. It’s a sentiment that members, including Vice President Costia Harris echo, “The 761st has helped me learn the laws of the land, taught me how to conceal carry, and just know the rules.”

    http://www.chicagogunsmatter.org/

    Fighting for gun rights in Chicago: Rhonda Ezell and Chicago Guns Matter

    “The goal of Chicago Guns Matter is to educate the black and urban communities on how to legally possess and obtain an IL concealed carry license, as well as educate them on the plaintiffs who’ve stood up for them and fought for their rights and are still fighting for their rights,” Ezell told Guns.com.

    The earlier Cosmopolitan anti-gun organizations like the National Coalition to Ban Handguns and Handgun Control, Inc. were pretty explicit in their claims. But then:

    I. ASSAULT WEAPONS AND MODERN POLITICS
    The first fight is about definitions. Some people still believe the
    assault weapons debate is about machine guns.29 This is not surprising
    given that proponents of the 1994 ban were counting on precisely that
    confusion.3″ The calculation was political. Josh Sugarman of the Violence
    Policy Center argued in 1989 that the public had lost interest in handgun
    control.3′ He counseled the anti-gun lobby to switch to the “assault
    weapon issue,”3 which they did in 1989 to great success.33 In Sugarman’s
    words:
    Although handguns claim more than 20,000 lives a year, the issue of
    handgun restriction consistently remains a non-issue with the vast
    majority of legislators, the press, and public…. Assault
    weapons … are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled
    with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus
    semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine
    gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of
    public support for restrictions on these weapons.34

    https://repository.uchastings.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3747&context=hastings_law_journal

    Also, an interesting CIA document in their files from 1963 pre-JFK assassination:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01315R000300540023-8.pdf

    Think about that recent list of corporate leaders advocating more “gun reforms” and the intelligence officials/generals forming a gun control in 2016.

  36. Today, however, handguns don’t get that much attention from gun control advocates, who tend to obsess over rifles, especially the AR-15. And yet, rifles account for only 2.9% of murders in which the type of weapon was specified.

    The Establishment is not interested in the deaths of innocents or the statistics thereof. They are interested in enslavement to ensure docility. Hence, the need to confiscate the most effective weapons in resisting tyranny.

    Obama drove up the murder rate. Does anyone think he is bothered that his actions resulted in more African-American deaths? The rest of the stabbers are the same. At best they betray our collective interests because they are just whores, at worst they a the vile, incestuous spawn of Satan and his chief daughter.

    We are in for a rocky ride. Cinch up your straps.

    • Replies: @Georgiaboy61
  37. Twinkie says:
    @guest

    Let’s make a concerted effort to push mass murderers away from rifles and shotties toward IEDs.

    The worst school mass killing, to this date, in the U.S. remains the Bath School killings (1927), in which explosives were used.

    I don’t think regular folk realize how hard it is to kill with rifles.

    Rifles and shotguns are much more lethal than handguns – there is no question about it. Most handgun shot victims, so long as they get to a trauma center quickly, survive. Rifles and shotguns (firing slugs or buck shots) do considerably greater damage to the body.

    Furthermore, long guns are much easier to shoot accurately than handguns. The only reason handguns are disproportionately used in homicides is the portability/concealability.

    • Replies: @JerryC
    , @guest
  38. Well, you have to admit that rifles with High Magazine Clips and the Shoulder Thing That Goes Up should be banned!

    At the very least people talking about them should be banned!

    http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/12/18/high-magazine-clips-and-the-shoulder-thing-that-goes-up/

  39. JerryC says:
    @Twinkie

    As a combat weapon, sure, rifles are far superior. But revealed preference indicates that handguns are a much more useful tool for criminals.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  40. guest says:
    @Twinkie

    Okay, but since it’s hard to conceal long guns, you have to o take lower percentage shots and they aren’t on your person at the ready when the mood strikes.

    Also, handguns are simply more intuitive and easy to use.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @TWS
    , @GU
  41. Can’t fight tyranny with short barrels.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  42. Kronos says:
    @Lot

    I thought gunrunning was a job that Americans just won’t do. I wonder which ethnicity takes the lead in selling guns to blacks? I don’t think South Koreans are up to that task.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  43. Even Tucker Carleson tries to defend the 2nd amendment on the grounds of self/home defense. That’s how cowed even the most-based of media figures is about discussing what 30% of the public believes looms in the near future.

  44. 216 says: • Website
    @istevefan

    The Militia Act of 1903 dismantled the militia system for all intents and purposes. The National Guard is not in any real sense under the control of the Governors; because he who pays the piper calls the tune.

    Even the most hardcore conservative state legislators would balk at spending state funds on NG capital equipment, if that is even legal under federal law in the first place.

    There was talk in the Tea Party days about reviving the “State Defense Forces”, which exist only to be non-combat support units for the National Guard, and are mostly made of retirees from the NG.

    The essence of the militia system is its part-time and localistic nature, most importantly that it answers to local politicians. Those in the 1990s never understood the last part. Anyone seeking to revive the militia system would do well to recruit the Right into Volunteer Fire Departments and Reserve Deputy Sheriffs.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  45. @J1234

    Keep in mind that the FBI crime statistics are accumulated out of hundreds of local police department statistics, so there is a lot of trouble getting data to line up because different departments used different categories. So a lot of stuff gets lumped in Other or Unspecified or whatever. For example, if a local police department doesn’t break out what type of gun was used in a murder, that probably gets tossed into “Other guns or type not stated,” which I didn’t use.

    So I left those cases out of the denominator for my percentages. The percentages you see are the percentages for all the murders where the weapon was specified well enough to fit into a specific category and not get lumped into a miscellaneous or unknown category.

    • Replies: @J1234
  46. @bjondo

    Rocks? Good Enough for the French!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  47. @Farenheit

    I would imagine a few of the 900 unclassified murders are Conan-Doyle-quality imaginative, but most are probably just stuck there due to bureaucratic bookkeeping problems: e.g., the Opaloosa County sheriff’s department uses category names that don’t line up well with the FBI’s category names or whatever.

  48. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    This exactly. Gun control is just another element of the culture wars. The bourgeois left don’t give a damn about blacks getting shot in Chicago any more than they give a damn about rural whites overdosing on Fentanyl. It’s just a poor person problem, and in the selfish, amoral parlance of our times you can just say that, well, they “chose” that “lifestyle.” At the end of the day nobody cares. The left prefers to focus on AR-15s, Russian-operated Facebook accounts, transgender bathrooms and the too-small percentage of female billionaires. You know, the important issues.

  49. @Kronos

    Black Market Guns say you?

  50. @Jack D

    I think in Prague, especially at that time, the most common foreign tourists would have been (East) Germans and English was not yet their lingua franca

    Yes, but they should have known that the Latin-derived defenestrace would be nearly identical in most European languages. Even in German, Defenestration appears to be preferred over Fenstersturz today, if not historically.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweiter_Prager_Fenstersturz

    It would also make a catchier single for Carly Simon.

    Shoot, someone beat me to it:

    http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/carlysimon44.shtml

  51. @Farenheit

    I’d bet about a fifth of those are people who died trying to swallow a frisbee.

  52. TWS says:
    @istevefan

    Just a guess but I’d say CPR.

  53. Twinkie says:
    @guest

    Also, handguns are simply more intuitive and easy to use.

    Handguns have a much shorter effective range and are far less accurate in the hands of a vast majority of people.

    Probably the easiest and the most intuitive gun to use for self-defense is a side-by-side (“double barrel”) shotgun, which used to be called “coach guns,” because they were often used by the guy “riding shotgun” on stage coaches.

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @Joe Stalin
    , @Autochthon
  54. @Doktor Jeep

    That’s why the British made sure to include rifles in their Firearms Act of 1920:

    If the Firearms Act of 1920 had licensed only handguns, Shortt’s claims before the Commons would be at least superficially plausible. If the Firearms Act of 1920 had included all firearms, it might be argued that it been drafted in an overly broad manner in an attempt to disarm criminals. But the inclusion of rifles (but not shotguns) in this licensing measure suggest that the fear expressed throughout more than two years of Cabinet discussions and reports drove this bill: Bolshevik revolution. In a revolutionary struggle against soldiers, a shotgun’s value is limited because its range is limited. Soldiers armed with rifles can engage a insurgent force armed with shotguns at a distance of 100 to 150 yards with no fear of serious injury, even if the insurgents outnumber the soldiers by a significant margin. Soldiers confronting revolutionaries with rifles, however, would be at serious risk of injury or death, depending on the number or marksmanship of the revolutionaries.

    Furthermore, the concern about radicalized veterans that play such a prominent part in secret reports throughout 1919 and 1920 is easy to understand as part of the fear of revolution. Contrary to the myth of the Minuteman in the American Revolution, armed civilians have seldom played a significant effective part in any war against an organized military. The major deficiency of armed civilians is partly a shortage of modern weapons of mass destruction, partly a matter of training, and partly the psychologically toughening experience of combat itself.[96]

    The Cabinet imagined that there were large numbers of radicalized veterans of World War I.[97] Had this been the case, they would have had the training and combat experience to make them a serious fighting force, especially since, by the admission of General Wilson, much of the British Army in England at that time consistently largely of recent recruits without combat experience.

    The evidence is clear: the proximate cause of the Firearms Act of 1920 was a fear of revolution, which the Cabinet believed might enjoy sufficient popular support to actually overthrow the lawful government. Home Secretary Shortt’s statements to the Commons about disarming criminals, while a plausible explanation for the licensing of handguns, are not supported by Jones’ diary or the secret Cabinet papers. There is no written evidence to substantiate Cabinet concerns about non−political crime, but enormous evidence that the Cabinet believed a violent revolution was imminent in which the police and military would be outnumbered by combat veterans. The functional analysis of the Firearms Act is consistent with this fear, and not consistent with a fear of non−political crime.

    Based on what the Cabinet believed might happen, the decision to restrictively license rifles in the interests of self−preservation made perfect sense. It is, however, hardly a proud moment, for it suggests that the Cabinet believed that the masses were so opposed to the Government that large numbers of them were ready to rise up −− and the Government was prepared to deny the rights of Englishmen in order to preserve a system of government that had lost much of its legitimacy in the pointless and brutal bloodshed of World War I.

    http://www.dvc.org.uk/dunblane/clayton_1.pdf

    West German Militiaman’s Rifle circa 1960s.
    (Semi-auto G-3 Assault Rifle)

    • Replies: @NickG
  55. TWS says:
    @guest

    No they are not. Unless you are missing an arm.

  56. Twinkie says:
    @Joe Stalin

    One of the most beautiful handguns ever made was the French SACM Model 1935A. It was a model upon which the legendary Swiss Sig P210 was developed.

    And the GIGN uses the Manurhin MR73 revolver, which is one of the stoutest and the most accurate revolvers ever made.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  57. @Jack D

    @ Jack

    If you listen closely, leftists will almost always tell you what they fear and loath the most. A few years ago, when Obama made that speech in which he pointedly criticized small towns where people “cling to their guns and Bibles,”he was letting the audience peek behind the curtain, if only for an instant.

    Why would Obama single out rural, small-town people in such a way? The answer is that rural American remains, in many ways, the last bastion of traditionalism, patriotism, Christianity, the right to keep/bear arms, and all of those other things that Obama and the Left despise about this country.

    It is my belief that Obama is a practicing Sunni Muslim, one who commits taqiyya in claiming falsely to be Christian. “Taqiyya” is a form of deception, dissimulation or lying in which Muslims are permitted to engage when dealing with the infidels (kafirs), i.e., non-Muslims. In identifying these places and the people in them, he is highlighting an age-old enemy of Islam – Christianity – and those in this nation who still practice it.

    As many Mohammedans are, Obama is acutely aware that the first war our new republic fought and won was against an Islamic opponent – the Barbary Islamic states of North Africa during the late 1700s and early 1800s. During his tenure in the White House, Obama never missed a chance to make a studied insult of the U.S. Navy and/or Marine Corps. Why? Because they were the two services which took the fight to the believers in North Africa – and defeated them.

    Now that the Left (communists) and Muslims are united in the so-called “Red-Green Alliance,” they are becoming quite open about their views on such things. They fear traditional Americans bearing arms, from small towns and rural America, in particular the rural west and south – places which have always supplied a disproportionate number of our nation’s finest war fighters.

    In other words, the would-be gun-grabbers not only loath the people from these places and their traditions and values, they fear them – and rightly see them as a major obstacle standing in the way of the realization of their globalist/NWO agenda.

  58. Glad to see Steve is finally coming around to “Disarm the Kulaks” versus triple bankshot logic about white urbanites needing protection from black gangbangers.

    Rifles are used to hold ground, plain and simple. The fact you have a whole nation of vets who came up in the kind of insurgency that a civil conflict in the US would entail only underlines the fact that if you plan to kulak the bad whites, you better try and disarm them unless you want your Bully Squads vanishing when they hit the hinterlands to enforce the latest Central Commitee dictats.

    Of course, 3D printing has let the horse outta the barn on gun control. “Every house an arsenal” is going to become a reality here soon. There’s some dude with an FFL working on perfecting a drop in part that turns an AR platform fully auto, made with a 3D printer.

    Did the Left think that the Right eventually wouldn’t decide laws matter as well? The Left ignores criminal law regarding assaults on people with MAGA hats, the FBI goes whattaya whattaya regarding Antifa, and the judiciary throws up road block after road block regarding deporting people, and then gives itself powers to do whatever it wants.

    But the ATF is a holy organization with unlimited moral authority to enforce the law however it pleases when it pleases (see bump stocks, arm braces), and now the Left seems shocked that the Right is saying “Cowabunga it is”.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  59. anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    disabling decibel levels

    So I’m not the only one who thinks an AR15 is effin loud.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @J1234
  60. TWS says:
    @Andrew M

    Color, sex, age, doesn’t matter you’re more likely to be shot with a handgun.

  61. Lot says:
    @Tom-in-VA

    Here’s some good news for you:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/us/dna-testing-immigrants.html?searchResultPosition=1

    Trump to add DNA samples of all detained illegals to FBI database.

  62. @Sye

    People still beat each other to death. It’s amazing.

    As we know from news reports, you may punch someone once and kill them. Sometimes they fall and die from hitting their head on the sidewalk, but if you hit them, you’re responsible. You really don’t want to lay hands on someone without a compelling reason.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    @CEW3

    Re: “The Establishment is not interested in the deaths of innocents or the statistics thereof. They are interested in enslavement to ensure docility. Hence, the need to confiscate the most effective weapons in resisting tyranny.”

    Yes, precisely. During Obama’s eight-year tenure in office, fed.gov made a lengthy series of giant weapons and ammunition purchases, which came to light thanks to the diligence of some of the patriots in the alternative media and a few inside the ranks of the fed.gov LE and military. Large amounts of ammunition, body armor, handguns, AR-pattern carbines, NVGs and IR gear, etc. – and going not just to the usual LE/military buyers, but agencies whose basic mission would seem not to have anything to do with the use of armed force, i.e., Dept.of Education, FDA, etc.

    The pattern which emerged was one of a regime – the Obama White House – arming itself and its cronies as fast as possible, as confidentially as possible, using tax dollars. We know about Fast and Furious and then Benghazi – two instances in which Obama and his top people trafficked in arms, first domestically and then internationally.

    If Obama, Clinton, et al. were willing to run guns and other weapons to ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria and the Middle East, why wouldn’t they be perfectly willing to do the same thing on American soil, for their allies here? Where did all of those arms and ammo go?

    The logical answer, it seems to me, is not just to Obama allies inside government, but those outside of it as well – everyone from the Crips and the Bloods to the local chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood to MS-13. If he couldn’t disarm all of those traditional Americans “clinging to their guns and Bibles,” the next best move from his perspective was probably to arm as many on his side, as well as possible.

  64. @Jack D

    “God only knows what Dems think.”

    Oh we all know very well what Dems think, and have known for a long time.

    Here is Dem arithmetic:

    1917 plus 1804 equals 2024.

    (1804 refers to Haiti; I imagine you already know what the other numbers signify.)

  65. Big fan of the second amendment. But personal firearm ownership isn’t anywhere close to sufficient if you want to maintain some semblance of freedom. Life consists of thousands of small decisions that either give you more freedom or less freedom. People have given so much up without even realizing it.

    Consider a guy who took on a ton of student and mortgage debt, buys all sorts of useless consumer garbage, drives a nicer car than he needs to that burns more gas than it needs to, who doesn’t know how to cook or clean or fix things around the house and hires out all of these things. What’s he going to do if the mob comes after him for wrongthink? He’s going to grovel. Or he’s never going to wrongthink in the first place. He needs to keep his job, his paycheck, because fundamentally he’s plugged into the matrix. He can’t live outside it. A few weeks and he has unpaid bills piling up and a toilet he can’t fix and has eaten cereal for every meal for three weeks. Doesn’t matter if he has an AR-15 in his closet, he’s going to roll over at the first sign of trouble–he has no capacity to resist.

    Besides being powerless, this guy’s entire life is monetized. So at every point the government is going to be skimming, either in the form of sales or income taxes. Earn a dollar to pay a plumber, and the government skims twice, fix the plumbing yourself, government never skims. This is why Jefferson believed a nation of yeoman farmers was ideal for liberty (not that he practiced what he preached.)

    Some people get this but most don’t. I’ve seen tons of physicians become hospital employees because they don’t want to deal with the risk/hassle of running a practice, then start complaining about how they can’t practice medicine as they wish. I’ve seen tons of farmers basically make themselves into subcontractors for Monsanto/John Deere.

    No man is an island of course. I’m not suggesting we can or should all live in off grid cabins growing potatoes in back. But for god sake, if you have even a penny of debt and you choose to buy an Amazon echo, you are lost.

  66. SafeNow says:

    According to a 2016 Johns Hopkins study, 250,000 people die annually as a result of medical negligence. It appears that the leading homicide weapons are the prescription pad, the scalpel, and the disinfection protocol.

  67. Thatgirl says:

    Classic scene from Archie Bunker…

    Gloria: “But Daddy, 10,000 people are killed by handguns in the US every year.”

    Archie: “Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they were all thrown out the window.”

  68. A friend of man who was in the LAPD in the 1990s said the cops strongly suspected James Caan threw his cocaine dealer out a window, but they couldn’t prove it so his death was ruled an accident. Caan had a serious drug problem and liked hanging out with mobsters, but who really cares when drug dealers die anyway?

    https://apnews.com/e3d53df1ea44ef4fae0992ef20541f21

    Odd that so many defenestrations occurred in Prague. The topic even has a Wikipedia page:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague

    • Replies: @TGGP
  69. peterAUS says:
    @216

    Pretty much.
    Especially

    …..Anyone seeking to revive the militia system would do well to recruit the Right into Volunteer Fire Departments and Reserve Deputy Sheriffs.

    The later in particular.

  70. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    With 4% of the world’s population, more than a third of the privately owned guns!

    That statistic is probably skewed though by a smaller number of fanatics and gun dealers like Mel “Dragon Man” Bernstein who own a disproportionate number:

  71. @Clyde

    btw I hear that so called assault weapons are awesome for getting bucks (deer) and a necessity for killing wild boars who are viciously tusked, they can charge and kill you and have enough blubber to not get knocked down by one or two bullets.

    Assault rifles are mostly only cosmetically different than hunting rifles, The 5.56 caliber of most AR15 type rifles is somewhat underpowered for hunting deer let alone wild boar. For that you want higher performance rounds like 6.5 creedmor, 30-06 etc. Of course the AR platform can support higher calibers as well but they are somewhat less common.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Clyde
    , @anon
  72. Steve you should look into the corrosive effect of the Left’s “immigration laws are just fake laws” is having on other laws such as firearm laws.

  73. @Hail

    Even more disappointing, only 5 people were killed by poison. Is this dark art really in such decline?

    Has no one learned anything from watching Game of Thrones?

    I suppose an alternative hypothesis is that this (notoriously female) method is still going strong, and five is merely the number of inferior practitioners who got caught.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  74. @Twinkie

    And the GIGN uses the Manurhin MR73 revolver, which is one of the stoutest and the most accurate revolvers ever made.

    Every now and then, the French still make something simply world class like the Manurhin or J.M. Weston shoes that reminds you that their pretensions are not all bluster.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  75. @kaganovitch

    I ran over a baby javelina pig in Big Bend National Park with a station wagon going 45 mph. I turned around and came back to put the poor thing out of its misery, but it had gotten up and run off.

    For hunting javelina, I’d recommend one of those six-barreled rotating 20mm cannons.

  76. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer

    exactly. Shoot and Kill.

    hahaaa. I always loved this song but never thought about anything political when I was 13!

  77. @SimpleSong

    Consider a guy who took on a ton of student and mortgage debt, buys all sorts of useless consumer garbage, drives a nicer car than he needs to that burns more gas than it needs to, who doesn’t know how to cook or clean or fix things …

    Sounds like he needs a good life coach! I recommend TV’s Dr. Phil:

  78. Cutting brake cables used to be popular. I don’t think that’s even possible with modern ABS systems.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    , @Jack D
  79. Lagertha says:

    another non-political post!, thank me. This is for all of you sorry-assed iSteve lonely men who need to make up with whatever lovers you left behind. Time is time. The best gift I ever got was a man who said he was sorry for what we lost.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lagertha
  80. @Neil Templeton

    In this case, the Whom have a very long tradition of owning and cherishing rifles, a tradition which clearly cannot stand.

    Neil, i think this is spot on–definitely a factor.

    I think there are a few things going on:

    1) These avatistic feelings about the white peasantry.

    2) The rifle mass shootings are dramatic, a chance for lots of feminine feelz … and scoring political points and exercising those avatism.

    3) The ghetto blacks mostly shoot each other. Dealing with urban black crime is indeed a problem for the right sort of people. But they have developed techniques like stop and frisk. If you are near an underclass neighborhood, mugging, robbery, knockout assaults, rape are all things to worry about. But the bang, bang, bang on “uninvited party guests” or rival drug gangs does not involve you.

    4) Some “good whites” have handguns for personal protection. They may even carry them on occasion. But who needs a rifle? Only those dangerous flyover country rednecks.

    5) Rifles really are “the right to bear arms”. They are the tool that makes it possible for the people to resist oppression from the state. (Hence 2nd ammendment.) So for those who are part of the establishment, getting rid of rifles is key to making sure the peasants won’t rise up … because they can’t rise up.

  81. TGGP says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The D.C sniper is a counter-example to your generalization, although that was also early enough that there wasn’t much call for rifle legislation.

    Some recent mass shooters have used rifles, but Brevik and the Virginia Tech Shooter amassed rather high bodycounts with just handguns.

    I’m actually surprised that rifles outnumber shotguns above. A sawed-off shotgun was once commonly associated with criminals. Sawing off a rifle, on the other hand, rather defeats the point of a long-ranged weapon.

  82. TGGP says: • Website
    @Andrew M

    School shooting were a big deal years ago, but I get the impression that mass shooters tend to target other public places now. The reason that the Aurora Colorado shooter chose a midnight screening was that he wanted the crowd to be full of adults.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  83. @istevefan

    It makes sense if the purpose is to keep us forever occupied trying to put out fires here and there while the elite rule the roost.

    Which is why the various issues are being increasingly replaced by “Destroy everything with nuclear weapons if you want to, fine by me”. The authentic voice of revolution is “Burn it down to the bricks, then think about rebuilding. Not a good plan, but a lot better than what we have now.” Messages like that are starting to appear at unz.com.

    Among other things, i used to jump out of airplanes for a living (yes, true story), so this next is from personal observation: People who do that sort of thing pretty clearly don’t care all that much whether they live or die, which is why paratroopers are still pretty decent shock troops [1]. Not caring much is an attitude you people can really get, no kidding, I could tell you stories, and it’s essential on a large scale for a real revolution, _and_ it’s cropping up for real now.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Forget the story about “Landing is the most dangerous part of flying, and I’m jumping before the landing to avoid that danger”.

  84. Lagertha says:

    so glad my sons went to some big arena concerts. Here’s an oldie and goodie:

    https://youtu.be//youtu.be/PBJRD1Vkxml

  85. Hail says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Fensterschutz!”

    If he really said Fensterschutz! (“window defense”!) or Fensterschütz! (“defend the window!”), that aged guard may have been suffering from delusions that not only was the war was still on but that papal agents were back for revenge…on that damned window.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  86. TGGP says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    There’s supposed to be a “Werther effect” where publicizing suicides results in more suicides, and now people in the media are moving to conceal the names of mass-shooters so as not to incentivize fame-seekers. I wonder if once defenestrations became a “thing” in Prague it just naturally occurred to more people as something worth doing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  87. Lagertha says:

    so happy my sons went to some big arena concerts this summer. They wound up finding out about the life of their mom in the 70’s. And, that life is life. And, how, nothing really changes; just live your life.

  88. @Georgiaboy61

    n other words, the would-be gun-grabbers not only loath the people from these places and their traditions and values, they fear them – and rightly see them as a major obstacle standing in the way of the realization of their globalist/NWO agenda.

    As they should. The rural parts of the US have been, not exactly neglected so much as demonized and abandoned, for so long that they are largely self supporting. The capital flow into the cities could stop tomorrow and the very rural areas wouldn’t be seriously inconvenienced for a year or more, at which point essential tools etc. would be wearing out and fuel stocks would be gone. The defensible rural areas produce very little of value, and occupying/policing them would be a drain of already inadequate resources for anybody who wanted to try it. The world would have many more urgent things to do that try to police the US rural areas, and so would any national government. As it is, these areas are pretty much left tot their own devices when it comes to policing.

    Counterinsurgency

  89. duncsbaby says:
    @Sye

    One punch can kill a person as we saw recently in Maryland. I’m guessing that would be considered a beating. When one or more people are doing the beating it’s easy enough, people will become like the proverbial wild animal feeding off the energy of their co-beater(s) until maximum damage is achieved and then some.

  90. @Georgiaboy61

    That’s actually plausible. Obama wasn’t a subtle kind of guy. Or very smart — how is he going to get the Crips and the Bloods to the enemy, how is he going to supply them, what do they use as a command structure, what about communications, etc. Same thing with taking out DoD so it can’t mount a coup. Who keeps the trade lanes open? Who feeds the cities when trade stops? Where is his political base then?

    Still- the Left has wanted an army of its own at least since the Revolutions of 1848, and, well, Obama finally had a chance to make it come true. Maybe he really did try to take it.

    Counterinsurgency

  91. @Steve Sailer

    Besides for their hardiness, they are also really really aggressive. The crosspiece on boar spears is there to prevent the boar from climbing up the spear embedded in its gut to gore the hunter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boar_spear

  92. @AnotherDad

    Not trying to be a snot, but just so you know, it’s “atavistic”. Thought it was a typo, which I never point out, til it showed up twice.

    Just want your consistently insightful comments to look spiffy because I bet they get quoted and re-posted a lot. When I was a kid, there were all sorts of odd words I knew from reading that I never needed to say out loud because they’re rarely used in conversation. Eventually I’d say one aloud, pronounce it wrong (“mausoleum” can be a real howler), and usually some kind person would correct me so I didn’t say it that way in less forgiving company. I always appreciated the help.

    Show of hands: how many people here first pronounced “The Murders in the Rue Morgue” so the last word rhymed with Mr. Magoo?

    How many people were baffled that guys in WWII comic books were always fighting Nazzies, and wondered where all the Not-zees were?

    Who thought the Spanish Armada was one gigantic ship?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Logan
  93. @SimpleSong

    Right, that’s why systems stagger on until they become absolutely unworkable, then a different system eventually emerges. Brute force and massive ignorance (BFMI) on parade.
    Supposedly Darwin’s daughter asked him once “Daddy, why is it all so cruel?”. That’s the Problem of Pain, and there hasn’t been a really good answer to that, beyond “It just is” for the past nine or so thousand years.

    Counterinsurgency

  94. @Georgiaboy61

    It is my belief that Obama is a practicing Sunni Muslim, one who commits taqiyya in claiming falsely to be Christian. “Taqiyya” is a form of deception, dissimulation or lying in which Muslims are permitted to engage when dealing with the infidels (kafirs), i.e., non-Muslims.

    You don’t have to be a Muslim of any kind to lie about your beliefs to get ahead. Democrat and Republican politicians do it all the time. You think Romney evolved? He was the same lying backstabber from the git-go. He just hid his intentions while pretending to agree with the people who voted for him until it wasn’t necessary to hide those goals any longer. Romney is way more insidious than Obama. For the most part, Obama did not pretend to agree with Republican voters. Whereas Romney almost always feigned support for the right-wing agenda.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Georgiaboy61
  95. @Lot

    The Fists category also includes pushing people off cliffs.

    • Replies: @Logan
  96. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    Right back atcha, honey. This one is for all the toxic, manipulative women who ripped men’s hearts out and laughed about it. Not to mention the ones who played “Let’s you and him fight, because it’s funny to watch”.

    Enjoy, my dear. Enjoy .

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
  97. @Lot

    Nice to see the FBI has a separate category for fatal defenestrations. That’s important data.

    Maybe they’ve felt weird about defenestrations ever since James Forrestal.

  98. @Lot

    The one you’re showing? If semi-automatic, it would be a Short Barreled Rifle, meaning it would be under the NFA. Pay for a $200 tax stamp, submit payment plus two sets of fingerprints and passport type photos with your application to the ATF, wait 10-12 months for your approval.

  99. Clyde says:
    @kaganovitch

    Not gonna argue but if I ever (doubtful) go boar hunting I want a semiautomatic. I have been deer hunting. Just one year. 10x more boring than fishing when the fish are not biting. Up on a deer stand (been there) and waiting endlessly, you need beer or a really good mantra from the Maharishi.

    • Replies: @rootofit
  100. Pericles says:
    @Sye

    People still beat each other to death. It’s amazing.

    You should follow this site regarding Minnesota. A dozen or two youths hammering away at passers-by, even running over victims with bicycles (lol) when they’re out. Ambition if not ability. Children thrown off the side of shopping malls. That place is wild.

    Or take a look at the column to the right of this one, Paul Kersey and the SBPDL documents a lot of hand-to-hand killings.

    At the time of writing “While Waiting for Metro Transit Stop in Minneapolis, White Man in Wheelchair Violently Attacked by Two Black Teens” (though that guy was just slapped around and robbed) and “His Name Is John Weed: 59-Year-Old White Man Murdered by Two Black Teens Playing “Knockout Game” at Fair in Maryland”.

  101. @Lot

    I would bet that there are a lot of poisonings that go undetected. Especially since would-be poisoners have access to the internet.

  102. Hodag says:
    @Farenheit

    I bet a lot Of them involve giving someone narcotics.

  103. @Sye

    A few years ago, learning Japanese sword really brought home to me, gave me a brief insight into, what it must be like to be in hand-to-hand mortal combat.

    You can’t escape looking into the other person’s eyes, have their muscles straining against you. There’s nowhere to hide from the fact that it’s either you or another person who’s not going to walk away. And the other person is serious.

    You can imagine the psychological toll that this took on combatants in the days when closing, grappling, beating and stabbing was the primary way of warfare.

    Something similar appears to happen to people who survive an encounter with a predator – shark, crocodile, wild cat – that seriously intends to eat them. The world no longer looks the same.

  104. @Hypnotoad666

    Cutting brake cables used to be popular. I don’t think that’s even possible with modern ABS systems.

    I’ve had that played on my twice so far. Most nearly successful was the time a mechanic tried using copper tubing instead of hydraulic tubing. The copper ruptured when I applied the brake at speed. Fortunately, the car had a manual transmission and I could use engine breaking, so I recovered safely. Second time was a simple cutting the hydraulic line, which i found out about before the car started moving.

    Suggestion: Always apply the brakes fairly hard before you turn the engine on. If the brakes fail, try downshifting if you can.

    Counterinsurgency

  105. Realist says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Long gun = white = legislation.

    Plus a revolution will not be conducted with handguns. The Deep State wants long guns banned.

  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Why, those signs are very easy to interperet. They mean (from top right, reading counter-clockwise):1.) Slot-machine out-of-order, 2.) A Japanese poster for the movie Neto-wok, 3.) Do not move Shoji screen, and 4.) Glam-Rock concert in progress.

  107. Mr. Anon says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Cutting brake cables used to be popular. I don’t think that’s even possible with modern ABS systems.

    I’ve had that played on my twice so far.

    Have you recently dug into the past of a kidnapper/diamond-thief who faked his own death?

    Or uncovered a NASA plot to fake a human Mars-landing?

    Or do you, perchance, stand in line to inherit a large fortune?

  108. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    ABS changes nothing. However, modern cars (since the early 1960s) have dual master cylinders meaning that there are two independent braking circuits and you have to cut both circuits in order to have total brake failure. This makes it difficult to make it look like it was an accident rather than sabotage.

  109. And long guns are seldom used to knock over liquor stores or to terrify a rape victim. They call too much attention to themselves.

    Picture the mechanics of trying to rape someone while keeping a long gun pointed at his or her head.

  110. Semi-Hemi says:
    @guest

    I always hated that movie. The scene with the street shootout ruined it for me. The improbable getaway in the ford station wagon (with raised tailgate) seemed ultra stupid. Oh, thats right, radios and choppers didn’t exist in those days.

  111. This is about disarming traditional Americans of the very weapons needed to fight back against the coming door to door loading of dissenters onto railcars. That’s it, it’s a government conspiracy to disarm you of the weapons needed to prevent the commie revolution already underway. It has nothing to do with anything else at all. This is about power and money and control, same as it’s been since the dawn of civilization.

  112. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    He didn’t say Fensterschutz, he said Fenstersturz (“window fall”).

    • Replies: @Hail
  113. Logan says:
    @Twinkie

    Probably the easiest and the most intuitive gun to use for self-defense is a side-by-side (“double barrel”) shotgun

    True enough. But pretty tough to walk around with in daily life as a “sidearm.” That is, a weapon you have at your side all the time.

    This was actually the primary role of swords. Historically not often a primary battlefield weapon, but very often one carried as a sidearm for self-defense by civilians and as a backup battle weapon by soldiers.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  114. Jack D says:
    @TGGP

    I think certain kinds of execution are just more in tune with the culture of certain countries. For America the gun is the quintessential political assassination weapon. For Russians it is poison. For the French, it is the guillotine. Defenestrations occur more than once, but centuries apart, in Czech history, the most recent being the “suicide” of Czech Foreign Minister Jan Masaryk in 1948 when the Communists were consolidating their control over postwar Czechoslovakia. Defenestration carries the symbolic message that the victim does not deserve his “elevated” position in society and needs to be literally brought down a notch or two.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Anon
  115. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m thinking that if the gun was suspected and recovered, ballistics could match the gun to the bullet.

    Friends and I would suggest that using accelerators is a way to flummox ballistics.

  116. Jack D says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    I could use engine breaking, so I recovered safely.

    How would breaking your engine help? I could see using engine braking however.

    In a modern car you should retain braking on at least 2 wheels even if 1 of the lines has ruptured or been cut. The parking brake should also slow you down somewhat. Downshifting in an automatic (and 99% of cars today in America are automatic – hell, even pickup trucks are automatic) is only partly effective because of the fluid coupling. Also most modern automatic shift computers will not obey shift commands that would result in the engine over-revving. You could turn off the engine for even more engine braking but then you lose power brakes and steering. If things are really going south, your best bet is to try sideswiping various objects (the guardrail, parked cars, buildings, etc.) to slow yourself down gradually rather than suddenly. And make sure you are really pressing on the brake pedal and not the gas.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  117. @Lot

    Buy American and don’t pay the Fed $200 Short Barrel Rifle (SBR) tax!

  118. @anon

    Massad Ayoob states he keeps hearing protection, flashlight and a bullet resistant vest available as part of his immediate “go to” kit at home. Better still would be a sound suppressor if you live in a Free State like Indiana.

    One of those electronic muffs that allow you to hear external sounds rather than passive protectors.

  119. @Jack D

    Just to tell you, I kept a car long enough that one of the two brake lines rusted through. I had a rust-through before, which gave warning of slowly leaking fluid, and I then spent a lot of money on that car having a shop replace brake lines, but this time the rust-through gave a more rapid loss of fluid.

    Losing one of the two brake systems results in 1) a very spongy brake pedal and 2) loss of much of the brake fluid in the master cylinder reservoir.

    You still have some braking, and I suppose the main reservoir has a manner of retaining a minimal amount of fluid to power the remaining brake line. I suppose the theory is to give you warning, in the feel of the pedal, the red light of low fluid level on your dash, and the state of the fluid supply if you look under the hood, that something is very seriously wrong with your brakes, maybe encouraging you to get the car towed rather than attempting to drive it home, but leaving you with enough braking power so you don’t smash into anything.

    By now, this failure mode of the brakes must be the result of decades of automotive engineering along with oversight of regulators. If you could lose one brake circuit and not notice a thing, that too would be a dangerous state of affairs.

  120. NickG says:
    @guest

    I don’t think regular folk realize how hard it is to kill with rifles. Props to the D.C. snipers for their discipline.

    Not really, it’s very easy to kill with a rifle.

    When compared to a handgun, a rifle is easier to hit with, requires far less skill and they are FAR more lethal.

    Even a pipsqueak AR15 5.56x45mm round — perhaps the most common rifle cartridge in the US and by definition a low power round — generates 4 times the energy of the near ubiquitous a 9x19mm/ 9 millimetre Luger pistol round.

    People just rarely try, as Steve said, because rifles are big and inconvenient to conceal and tote around.

  121. NickG says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Contrary to the myth of the Minuteman in the American Revolution, armed civilians have seldom played a significant effective part in any war against an organized military.

    Not really, the South African 1899-1902 Boer War springs to mind, fought across 4 Southern African countries — the 2 Boer republics of The Transvaal and the Orange Free State and the 2 crown colonies of Natal and The Cape.

    Boer translates from Afrikaans as farmer….the farmer’s war.

    The Boers were a civilian force of mainly farmers, in civilian clothes, who kept a third of a million men from the British Empire busy for 3 years and inflicted a number of memorable defeats before being beaten on the battlefield. After the fall of Pretoria The Boers then morphed into a guerrilla force that kept the largest empire the world has ever seen busy for another 2 years.

  122. GU says:
    @guest

    “handguns are simply more intuitive and easy to use.“

    Absolutely false.

  123. @Twinkie

    He’s talking, I reckon, about loading and firing handguns’ being simpler, not doing so accurately (and certainly not at any distance).

    Not to mention simpler to clean and otherwise maintain. You think Jawntavius is going to ever learn to field strip a rifle?!

    Murderers are not marksmen, generally speaking. Many murders made with firearms are at very close range, often close enough (and in close enough quarters) that a sidearm is far preferable to a long gun, and not just because it is easier to hide or transport, but because it is easier to wield. (Same reason a cutlass, or even a dagger, not a claymore, is what one wants for melee in a narrow corridor….)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  124. Behemoth says:

    The focus on rifles is also due to the fact that it is easier to oppose the imposition of tyranny with rifles than with a handgun. The fact that they ignore the higher body count of handguns is a tell of their wishes/intentions.

  125. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    When I said “melancholy” to my sixth-grade teacher, it took a solid minute of conversation before she knew what the Hell I was on about and explained the correct pronunciation.

    Of course, many sixth-grade teachers nowadays would probably never have sorted it out, not knowing of the word at all without checking a dictionary….

  126. These FBI crime-figure stories the last few days have been highly absorbing — like settling back pre-internet with the Sunday-morning baseball stats

  127. Prosa123 says:

    The fact that rifles and shotguns are used in 5.9% of homicides actually overstates their use in violent crimes. Handgun shootings have a survival rate in the range of 80% to 90%. As a result, the great majority of handgun shootings get recorded as assaults or attempted murders because no one dies
    Rifles and shotguns are much deadlier. As best I can determine the survival rate is under 50%. It’s possible, therefore, that rifles and shotguns account for only 2% or 3% of shootings even though they account for 5.9% of homicides

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  128. @Counterinsurgency

    I’ve had that played on my twice so far. Most nearly successful was the time a mechanic tried using copper tubing instead of hydraulic tubing. The copper ruptured when I applied the brake at speed. Fortunately, the car had a manual transmission and I could use engine breaking, so I recovered safely. Second time was a simple cutting the hydraulic line, which i found out about before the car started moving.

    I think Lady Bracknell’s line is on point here “To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.” Perhaps a rethinking of your social circles is in order?

  129. @Jack D

    I think certain kinds of execution are just more in tune with the culture of certain countries. For America the gun is the quintessential political assassination weapon. For Russians it is poison.

    This Russian poison business is a Boris-come-lately Soviet era Bid’ah to Russian assassination. In the good old days of Tsarist Russia firearms and grenades were all the rage. Maria Spiridonova didn’t kill Luzhenovsky with arsenic. Communism, Feh. It corrupts everything it touches.

  130. @Johann Ricke

    @ Mr. Anon

    Re: “You don’t have to be a Muslim of any kind to lie about your beliefs to get ahead. Democrat and Republican politicians do it all the time. ”

    Yes, of course that’s true. You know the old joke: “When is a politician lying?” Answer: “When his lips are moving…” Romney, et al. are liars pretty much every time their lips move.

    As for Mr. Obama, let’s just say that his level of deception and lying has several layers which complement one another. He is first a liar because that is his nature as a world-class grifter and con-man. Second, he lies because he’s a Chicago politician raised at the knee of guys like Richard M. Daley. Third, he lies because as a black man, he feels no obligation to tell the truth to “the man.” Fourth, he lies because he is a Muslim dealing with the hated kafirs. We could also add that he lies to conservatives because that is what Democrats/leftists do.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  131. Neoconned says:

    A lot of the Roossy /whiskey stuff is starting to make sense. I’ve said before a lot of “hoochy mama women” will chase a rich or perhaps upper class married man with children and a marriage for an affair and what I call “bimbo tribute payments ” aka money and gifts/ free dinners or trips etc for sex favors for said married man.

    Usually after the wife finds out about said affair shes dumps his ass and takes the kids, house and 50% of assets. Angry husband then takes gun and blows said mistress’s head off. That’s why so many women want to use the courts to disarm men….and in particular white men. And that’s why they rant about “domestic violence “….because many of them are homewreckers and or border line scam artists who use sex to fleece men of their cash & assets and in the opinion of many “have it coming ” when their victim takes revenge.

    Also. To a lesser degree high school gossips want to disarm nerds they ignore, insult and emasculate while parading around their looks and status. And when judgement day comes and john Q. Nerd brings his dads rifle to school to whack the bullies and Hussies who denigrated him, they want the cops to disarm him so he cant retaliate against them.

    Also white ppl irrationally fear mass shootings and falsely think they’re protected from good violence by living in the suburbs.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  132. The corrupt “state” is targeting rifles, particularly semi-automatic rifles (no doubt to be followed by other types of rifles, e.g. snipers’ weapons), for the same reason that the state has previously targeted full auto weapons (1986 “Hughes amendment”) and armor-piercing ammo; namely, it seeks to deprive “the people” of even the most meager means to resist physical force (upon which it must increasingly rely) with force.

  133. Bannon says:

    One would think that rifles, as a non-concealable firearm that would typically be used in the home for self defense (or for hunting) would be the preferred weapon for those that say “What do you NEED that for?” But they focus on it because the military appearance reads as “scary” in the lizard brains of people who are afraid of guns.

  134. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    I must say, on further reflection Sturz is a pretty strong sounding word. Whereas

    “The defenestration heard round the world!”

    just doesn’t pack a punch.

    _______________

    I occurs to me that the Germans deliberately chose a word here (Sturz) that softens the event at least in terms of omitting any implied guilt ascribed to the Czech Protestant nationalists. The Czechs did, in fact, take the liberty of tossing several agents of the Pope out that window.

    They could have used a more precise alternative like “werfen” (throw).

    One online German-English dictionary gives the following translations for “Sturz“:

    slump, demise [downfall], plunge [downward movement] [also fig.], fall [tumble], plummet (economics), overthrow (political), precipitation [falling headlong], downfall, sportsspill [coll.], drop [sudden decline], subversion [of a government] (political), cropper [coll.] [headlong fall] (e.g., from a horse), subversiveness, toppling (political)

  135. @Hail

    Her accent was thick enough that Sturz and Schutz would have sounded similar, and that’s what I heard.

  136. @AnotherDad

    5) Rifles really are “the right to bear arms”. They are the tool that makes it possible for the people to resist oppression from the state. (Hence 2nd ammendment.) So for those who are part of the establishment, getting rid of rifles is key to making sure the peasants won’t rise up … because they can’t rise up.

    This cannot be overstated. It is the only reason the criminals masquerading as “government” want to take the semiautomatic pistol-grip rifles away from the proles.

  137. J.Ross says:
    @Kronos

    And this spikes the gungrabber faith article that the source of urban Saturday Night Specials somehow is rural fudds (which they are pushing to enable the blue metropoli to dominate their red outlands, and eventially to take away state sovereignty on this point, to seal the supposed gaps).
    In Michigan we have no records or licensing for “long guns,” but recordkeeping at the nearest police station for every handgun, which is consistent with the criminal’s prioritization of concealment. There are some gun stores which refuse to sell the cheapest handguns (for multiple reasons: the cheapest prices bring abysmal quality), and I have heard of one which will call the cops if they meet enquiries about handguns so cheap that they assume these must be for a crime.

  138. J.Ross says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In Australia, which was reduced to bolt and lever action through a government psy-op, somebody explained to the lefties that lever guns can be fired real fast because of the diabolical fully manualatic death switch located under and behind the trigger, so now they are talking about banning lever guns.
    This is the pattern: it’s not ignorance, it’s incrementalism.

    • Replies: @NoWeltschmerz
    , @Joe Stalin
  139. @TGGP

    …but Brevik and the Virginia Tech Shooter amassed rather high bodycounts with just handguns.

    I assume you’re referring to Anders Breivik. He did most of his killing with a Ruger Mini 14, a semiautomatic rifle in .223 caliber that can take 20- and 30-round magazines.

  140. anon[631] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    “Aasault rifles” are capable of full auto fire. “Assault weapons” are rifles that look like full autos but do not have that functionality. Credit ((Josh Sugamann)) of the Violence Policy Institute back around 1990 for that deliberate blurring of categories.

    AR15 type rifles is somewhat underpowered for hunting deer let alone wild boar.

    Intermediate powered cartridges such as 7.62x39mm and 5.56 mm are functional hunting rounds. I know a Texas hunter who no longer carries grand-dad’s Winchester 30-30 to the deer stand, because the SKS 7.62x39mm softpoint gives virtually the same performance downrange, and it’s easy to replace if damaged.

    A friend of mine has a hunting lease that is infested with wild pigs. He’s been told flatly to kill as many as he can find. His preferred rifle is a somewhat fancy AR-15. Longest shot is probably 150 yards. Closest shot was literally under his feet when a large pinky-grey “rock” he was about to step on got up and moved.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Poco
  141. @anon

    A friend of mine has a hunting lease that is infested with wild pigs. He’s been told flatly to kill as many as he can find. His preferred rifle is a somewhat fancy AR-15. Longest shot is probably 150 yards. Closest shot was literally under his feet when a large pinky-grey “rock” he was about to step on got up and moved.

    If his rifle is 5.56 , he got lucky when shooting boar that was underfoot. Feral pigs are really dangerous up close.

    • Replies: @anon
  142. @Steve Sailer

    Hah! I hunt Javelina with a .270. Maybe a little overkill but they grow big here.

    Do it long enough and every hunter in the SW will have a story about running into a troop of javelina. 3/4ths of the time they’ll run the other way. But that last quarter is when you better have a sidearm or be able to scurry up a mesquite or pinion because they’re all coming and they’re mad as hell. Seen the teeth on them? No thanks.

  143. @TGGP

    When you realise Ruby Ridge was, on its face, about sawed off shotguns you start thinking about the consequences of the NFA.

  144. @NickG

    I recall Jeff Cooper stating the Boers basically ran out of ammo fighting the British.

    I read an article about how guns could be obtained in Israel in the now defunct Chicago newspaper The Jewish Star. It said you were allowed a 50 round box of ammo for your pistol.

    Enough for most “self-defense” I guess.

    Far too little for a workable militiaman, that’s for sure.

  145. Forget the crappy AR-15, get you one of these:

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  146. Logan says:
    @Clyde

    Some years ago there was a hunting guide in Alabama who took clients out to hunt wild boar the olf-fashioned way, with spears.

    To give you some idea of what this is like, a boar spear has a strong cross-piece on the shaft below the head. Otherwise the boar may very well just push his way down the shaft, impaling himself as he goes, to get close enough to rip you apart.

    I don’t know if he’s still in business.

  147. peterAUS says:
    @NickG

    And…khm….Balkans wars…

    Armed civilians, organized into local militia thing….

    True, just as a beginning .A starting point. To become really efficient they did grow into “proper” military.

    But….it all started with a local (para)military unit of platoon size. That was the core building block of everything.
    Or it was then and there. When some people fought for independence against central power and/or another ethnic group. Serious work.

    Of course, not applicable to US. At least that’s the alt-light angle. Or cuckservatives. Or boomers. Whatever. The opposite of “serious”, that is.

    Sorry guys. Back to handguns vs rifles for personal self-defense.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  148. Logan says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    As a kid I read a lot, but didn’t have anybody to really talk with about what I’d read.

    So there were a lot of words I was perfectly familiar with the meaning but vague on how they were pronounced.

    I used to wonder why they would refer to a mystery story as a whod-unit.

    Was probably 16 before I realized they were referring to a who-dun-it.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  149. Logan says:
    @NickG

    The “formal” phase of the Boer War lasted a little less than a year, October 1899 to September of 1900. The guerrilla fighting lasted a little more than another year and half, till May of 1902.

  150. @Larry, San Francisco

    I have to listen to CNN at work …

    Larry, I feel really sorry for you about that. I don’t think I could stand it long. I hope you will make that into a complaint if you leave the place.

  151. @Hypnotoad666

    Anyone get hit with a frozen leg of lamb this year?

    • Replies: @anon
  152. @istevefan

    People not spending enough time at the gym?

  153. Logan says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Used to do a lot of backpacking and mountain climbing. Crossed my mind that if my climbing partner “fell to her death” when we’re 40 miles back in the mountains it would be pretty near impossible to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” that she was pushed.

  154. @Georgiaboy61

    Very interesting comment, Georgia boy.

    Yes, there are loads of people that go down to Glynco, Georgia* for a week to train on shooting at the big Federal complex there. Many are from agencies that one would really wonder about any need for this sort of thing – the FDA? Come on! It’s not just one guy in some weird position either. These agencies make purchases of weapons in the thousands.

    I don’t agree that Fast and Furious was a gunrunning operation of the sort you are discussing, though. The plan there was to “prove” that American civilians were responsible for arming the drug cartels (per some BS remark with a number of 90% of the guns, I believe out of the Hildabeast). Gun store owners were coerced by the FEDS into disobeying firearms laws to sell those guns which were placed into the hands of the violent Mexicans. It took lots of effort by a couple of bloggers and one decent CBS news reporter to foil this plan.

    .

    * Nickname of FLETC, on the other side of the highway from the Brunswick airport – Glynn County.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  155. @Lot

    I’d always wondered how the Habsburgs kept their funky disparate empire together in tumultuous Central Europe, and so asked a historian buddy … he thought about it for a spell, then noted, “Well, they were pretty good at throwing people out of windows…”

    The ultimate in both ‘soft power’ and latent energy: gravity.

  156. Poco says:
    @anon

    Me and a friend of mine, who is a state biologist have stalked and killed wild pigs with crossbows during bow-hunting deer season on state hunting refuges.
    Regulations wouldn’t allow rifles on the area because it was deer bow season.

  157. @SimpleSong

    That is a very good point that I’ve made a coupla years back, or almost along the same lines – lots of Americans who DON’T HAVE TO, still live paycheck-to-paycheck. As you stated, one will take much more abuse from his employer and bigger, more-coercive organizations, when he will be at the point of selling a vehicle and getting behind on a house payment after missing 2 paychecks.

    The guy who has 2 years of savings can say “f__k you” lots more often. One more thing: Cash is King.* The Feds will get the money once, but at least not twice, for your case of getting the plumbing done (oh, and he should give you a discount to split the gain a bit).

    .

    * See Part 2 and Part 3.

  158. @Neoconned

    I’ve been saying this for years. Gun control is essentially a dispute over sexual access to females and which males are going to be allowed it.

  159. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    There is a…..peculiar….thing about Americans re this topic.
    I call it extreme individualism.

    Or, they seem incapable of thinking of anything larger than their family and friends.
    They want to have, in own possession, a weapon for the job. That’s fine.

    Europeans (you know, those disarmed and helpless…..hehe…) think differently. Like, step by step.

    You use a knife (or…hehe…money) to get a handgun. Then a handgun (or money…) to get an assault rifle.
    Then….and this is what scares people away from the topic (which is fine, for the time being) you use that assault rifle (or, again money….) to get the proper gear.
    If planned well, can be done in one morning. Getting the proper gear, that is.

    For obvious reasons, I can’t go into details. Besides, doesn’t matter. People who want to get it already know it. Those who don’t want it never will.

    On the practical level, in those helpless and disarmed countries, once upon a time, you had a bunch of MOTIVATED people. Unarmed, in the morning.
    In the evening they had tanks and medium artillery, among other things.

    I did say MOTIVATED.

    Anyway.

  160. @JerryC

    As a combat weapon, sure, rifles are far superior.

    This would contradict the commenter that said “I don’t think regular folk realize how hard it is to kill with rifles.”

    revealed preference indicates that handguns are a much more useful tool for criminals.

    Because they’re easily concealed, not because they are more lethal.

  161. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    ? The guillotine is not assassination.

    The French use:

    knives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday

    guns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Caillaux

    poisons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastiano_de_Montecuccoli

    They used to do this:

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  162. Would be interesting to see if the number of murders by fist, feet, or hands has gone up since the newest contributions to society from the ghetto “the knockout game” was created. Or if it has gone up since World Star starting contributing to society like it does.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  163. @Achmed E. Newman

    Many are from agencies that one would really wonder about any need for this sort of thing – the FDA? Come on!

    Both the Dept. of Education and the U.S. Postal Service have their own SWAT teams. Here’s hoping those USPS guys never get disgruntled.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  164. @Anon

    Odd, neither is pointing his weapon at the other.

    • Replies: @Anon
  165. @The Ronnie Evil Show

    The knockout game has been around for over five years.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  166. Olorin says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You mean those .50-caliber ARs that weigh as much as ten boxes of household stuff when you’re moving?

  167. rootofit says:
    @Clyde

    30-96 soft nose for boars, semi-auto 5,56 is best for long pig.

  168. @J.Ross

    Exactly correct. Liberals have a goal in mind and they pursue it. The goal in this case is the banning of all guns in the hands of non-approved private citizens. So, while conservatives mock the ignorance of the left, the left continues to focus on banning a class of gun that is possessed and/or used least by most armed citizens. Once that is done, this little thing called the common law and precedent kicks in and suddenly one class of firearms after another are banned while gun advocates persist in debating the finer points of magazine size, automatic vs. semi-automatic weapons and bump stocks.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  169. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact


    Anyone get hit with a frozen leg of lamb this year?

    Just for a start, I’m not a cop. So I’m safe.

  170. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    If his rifle is 5.56 , he got lucky when shooting boar that was underfoot

    He was quick and he shot more than one round.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  171. B. says:
    @Andrew M

    Actually whites are not the majority when it comes to mass shootings. Compared to other races we commit very few. Off course you wouldn’t know this by the news.

  172. @Logan

    Daughter C a few years back was telling me about something she’d been reading. It was early 20th-century American; I can’t recall exactly what. She kept referring to ‘strah-fang-grrs’, which flummoxed me. Then it clicked: straphangers, i.e. the old slang term for subway commuters.

    I told her that knowing the meanings of words you don’t know how to pronounce is an intellectual badge of honor, not a cause for embarassment.

    • LOL: Logan
  173. Rifles are necessary for resistance to tyranny. That’s why they’re the target of intended bans. Buy a few. Become proficient in their use.

  174. @peterAUS

    It’s hard to get people MOTIVATED to go out with their semi-automatic rifle and learn to properly use it to engage the “Enemy.”

    Project Appleseed was founded with that in mind for the American people.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    Project Appleseed is a rifle marksmanship clinic that focuses on teaching traditional rifle marksmanship from standing, sitting/kneeling, and prone positions over a two-day weekend shooting clinic for what is termed an “Appleseed”. It is one of the major activities of The Revolutionary War Veterans Association (RWVA), a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that teaches and promotes traditional rifle marksmanship, while also teaching American heritage and history with the intent of encouraging people to become active civically.[1][2][3] Project Appleseed is apolitical, a legal requirement of 501(c)(3) organizations.[4][5]

    In addition to Project Appleseed, there is also a companion subsidiary activity conducted within the RWVA called “Liberty Seed” that is the American heritage and history portion of Project Appleseed. “Liberty Seed” has been termed a “civics class in disguise”, and features content on the “Three Strikes” that were needed to start the American Revolutionary War.[1]

    Some commentators have questioned the political aspect of the “self-empowerment” of shooting.[6]

    The Revolutionary War Veterans Association and Project Appleseed are a Civilian Marksmanship Program affiliated organization, enabling Appleseed participants to buy rifles and ammunition through the CMP.

    CMP – http://thecmp.org/

    Project Appleseed started from a series of ads appearing in Shotgun News, a monthly gun trade newspaper publication. These ads were written under a pseudonym by a fellow who simply called himself “Fred”. “Fred,” the founder of Project Appleseed, whose real name is Jack Dailey, wrote a long running column—actually a portion of ad space for Fred’s M14 Stocks—starting in 1999.[7] A common theme in these columns was “Are you a cook or a rifleman?”, a “cook” being Fred’s term for an unqualified shooter. The name of the project was in deference to Johnny Appleseed, an American pioneer nurseryman and grass roots missionary who traveled the American frontier planting apple trees across the land with the goal of spreading the number of apple trees in America. Fred’s goal was to accomplish the same with civic-minded Riflemen in America. Project Appleseed itself began in April 2006 in Ramseur, North Carolina.[3] These long-running ads ceased in 2017, upon Jack Dailey retiring and selling his business. The “Shotgun News” publication itself was rebranded as Firearms News in December 2015. A board of directors, termed the “Appleseed Operating Committee”, or “AOC”, took over running Project Appleseed commencing in 2015. The chairman of the board is Tom Kehoe of Palm Bay, FL.

    In 2006, Appleseed instructors began a national tour to attract instructors who could maintain and develop local programs.[8] As of 2018, over 120,000 individuals have attended an Appleseed marksmanship and history clinic in all 50 states. An independent, companion program called Mapleseed has been developed in Canada. As of 2018, approximately 700 volunteer instructors teach at Appleseed clinics. They are part storyteller and part marksmanship instructor, telling history stories of the historical events of the opening day of the American Revolutionary War during breaks and over lunch, during two-day Appleseed events.[3]

    Although the program initially focused on the use of the M-1 Garand rifle, shoots today are mostly shot with .22s at 25-meters at scaled silhouette targets for the course of fire. This is to increase the reach of the program, and allow for cheaper costs of ammo. However, the only requirement for a rifle to use for an Appleseed shoot is that it be 32 caliber (8mm) or less, if a firing a rifle cartridge, or 45 caliber or less, if shooting a pistol caliber cartridge. Also, the rifle needs an accuracy of 4 MOA groups or better[9]. There are still centerfire-only shoots, and known distance shoots where you shoot targets at 100, 200, 300, and 400 yards[10].

    All Appleseed instructors are volunteers. Prospective instructors go through an arduous process requiring mastery of the course of fire and a minimum of 160 hours hands-on training. Instructors in Training wear orange hats while they work their way up through the ranks. Full instructors are given red hats, and Shoot Bosses are given green hats.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Appleseed

    So as you can see, USA has trained over 120,000 individuals in a PRIVATE program to engage British Redcoat targets over 13 years. Maybe that is a small number in the overall scheme of a war, but the whole point is to avoid armed conflict.

    Canadians:

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  175. J.Ross says:
    @NickG

    And this isn’t guns (but it became them soon enough), but the reason we have the image of William Tell shooting an apple on his son’s head is because Tell was Swiss and was showing off to the Austrians why conquering Switzerland was a bad idea. The English, who gave us our universally-armed militia tradition, preceded that with a similar militia of highly trained, accurate bowmen. There were several universally-armed citizen militias like this in Europe, mainly Protestants with reasonable fears about Catholic empires. The Dutch were very much in this tradition, they drove the Spaniards out with this idea, and the Dutch citizen rifleman persisted through shooting clubs into a token representation for the Second World War (where it admittedly did no good). The French had Protestants but crushed them; when The Devils needed to show the ecumenical solidarity of Loudon in one shot, it showed Protestant citizen-militiamen formed around their Catholic chief. The Czechs had this (and still have one of the proudest and most robust firearms traditions in Europe, and some of the best laws) but obviously were no match for Austria and German princelings. The Cossacks were not Protestant but had ideas of liberty and universal armament.
    So the real argument against this isn’t impracticality, it’s that it would help to have mountains or oceans in addition to rifles, but even there you have the possibility that some people might prefer to die like a Czech than live like a Mexican.

  176. @J.Ross

    Damn White People “Down Under” are too clever for the Gun Controllers!

  177. @peterAUS

    There is a…..peculiar….thing about Americans re this topic.
    I call it extreme individualism.

    Or, they seem incapable of thinking of anything larger than their family and friends. They want to have, in own possession, a weapon for the job. That’s fine.

    Nah, the patriotic American fight to preserve and expand domestic recognition of egalitarian (vs. elites only) gun rights is a rather public collective effort. You seem to be describing more of a mafioso society where each criminal family surreptitiously strives to be armed while being apathetic to general disarmament.

    In America, broad legal civilian gun ownership is more like holistic herd immunity. Or a mass of nematocysts. Or quills in a porcupine defense (with standing option for wolverine offense). Not all members of the herd will survive, and porcupines/wolverines aren’t invincible, but at the very least it’s a strong deterrent to being easily run over by the state or independent criminal cartels.

    Europeans (you know, those disarmed and helpless…..hehe…) think differently. Like, step by step.

    You use a knife (or…hehe…money) to get a handgun. Then a handgun (or money…) to get an assault rifle.

    Meh. Why work hard when you can work smart? American patriots are smart in at least this sense: We’ve flooded the zone when it comes to effective civilian firearm and ammo availability. (Still room for improvement, of course…)

    I did say MOTIVATED.

    One indicator of a population’s motivation level is: What restrictions are its civilians willing to put up with in peacetime? The “extreme individualism” of many Americans says loud and clear to aspiring domestic totalitarians: “Fuck Around, Find Out.”

    Perhaps not coincidentally, this aggregate belligerent attitude may have contributed to America building a military with a longstanding unmatched conventional capability—and the willingness to field it (with varying results).

    At all levels of American society there are plenty of peeps interested in war—not least because many of us realize war and violence has always been interested in us humans… individually and collectively.

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  178. peterAUS says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    …the patriotic American fight to preserve and expand domestic recognition of egalitarian (vs. elites only) gun rights…..

    Looks like it.

    We’ve flooded the zone when it comes to effective civilian firearm and ammo availability..

    That’s………. impressive.

    One indicator of a population’s motivation level is: What restrictions are its civilians willing to put up with in peacetime?

    Ahm….O.K.

    I thought it was about the will to confront TPTBs who implement policies the population doesn’t like. Especially those policies detrimental to the very survival of that population.

    So….when Americans pulled their War of Independence that was about gun rights? Didn’t know that. I thought it was about taxation of something similar. Didn’t know that Brits were going to take muskets from them. Or it was about how many muskets a man can have? Length of a musket? Anyway.
    And I thought that the reason for Confederacy was something else.So…Washington wanted to restrict gun rights there? No revolvers I presume? Or it was “no rifles”? Wow. No shotguns for those not owning a lot of land (re egalitarian)?!

    A man can learn a lot here.

  179. Robert says:
    @Hail

    That category of “Pushed or Thrown Out Window” reminds me of one of the funniest lines (to me anyway) in the history of tv comedy came from the first season (1971) of the acclaimed series, “All in the Family.” Archie Bunker (Carroll O’Connor) is proclaiming his dislike for more gun control laws, while his daughter Gloria (Sally Struthers) is in favor of it, as is liberal son-in-law Michael Stivic, memorably portrayed by now-director Rob Reiner. Gloria says something about the facts of guns killing so many people, when Archie gives the rebuttal line that was so memorable, as well as hilarious: “Would it make you any happier if they were pushed out of windows?!’

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  180. Twinkie says:
    @Logan

    This was actually the primary role of swords. Historically not often a primary battlefield weapon, but very often one carried as a sidearm for self-defense by civilians and as a backup battle weapon by soldiers.

    Yes. Also a badge of rank. In European armies of the past, officers typically bought their own handguns and carry them as badges of rank.

  181. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon

    a narrow corridor

    Yes, long guns are pretty unwieldy (and easy to grab especially from the untrained who usually turn corners the wrong way).

    Still, few weapons beat a short-barrel side-by-side* loaded with 00 buck within a handgun range (<25 yards) in terms of ease of use, shots on target, and devastating effect.

    *If I were to use a shotgun, I'd grab an autoloader (I prefer Beretta 1200 FP). A slide-action (aka pump-action) is often recommended to the masses, but, in my view, the latter is not a good choice for untrained people who often short-stroke the slide under stress.

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    , @Anonymous
  182. @anon

    He was quick and he shot more than one round.

    Good for him. It’s easy to lose your head when confronted with an angry boar at close range.

  183. @Twinkie

    If I were to use a shotgun, I’d grab an autoloader (I prefer Beretta 1200 FP).

    Beretta 1200 not available in US for many years now,it’s basically same as Benelli M1. Not cheap either.

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  184. Twinkie says:
    @kaganovitch

    Beretta 1200 not available in US for many years now

    I have two. I bought one new years ago when they were in production and then recently found one used for a few hundred dollars.

    Beretta has a new autoloading self-defense shotgun, the 1301. I might give that a whirl one of these days.

  185. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Devastating at point blank range, but as overall being useful in a revolution, the value of shotguns can be inferred from one fact: throughout postwar Soviet history, shotguns were sold to most anyone who had the rubles. Western visitors would buy them as they were cheap for hard currency. The Baikal double gun was rugged, though crude, but any good gunsmith could make one serviceable as a duck gun for when Uncle Fred visited and you didn’t want him around your good guns.

    If you’re really thinking you are going to be up to it if and when “it” happens, buy and hide a bunch of cheap tackle box revolvers for E pieces, one first rate sidearm for your personal defense, and a couple of good accurate rifles for medium to long distance work. Forget exotic stuff like .338 Lapua one klick sniper rifles unless you already are a serious long range shooter. I’d probably get a Savage scout rifle and a M1A or similar in .308. While it is still legal buy them privately for cash. Then hide them very well.

    Unless you have never been seen with or around guns, it’s probably best you do have “sporting firearms” you bought on a 4473 so in the event they confiscate shotguns, deer rifles and such you have something to turn in so they don’t tear the house up looking for hidden items. Let them think you are compliant.

  186. @SaneClownPosse

    …and sooner or later, white people are going to get tired of playing it.

  187. I suspect that a lot of this is grandstanding for fund raising – bills developed are milker bills. Both sides of the aisle can raise cash from their base.
    The great thing about focusing on Rifles is that if something goes wrong, any gun control legislation goes through will have relatively little impact.

  188. @Georgiaboy61

    You’re onto something there. Obama has even less shame about lying than Bill or Hillary Clinton do, if that’s conceivable.

  189. @kaganovitch

    A friend of mine is a captain for one of the major US airlines. When armed law enforcement is on board they’re supposed to check in with the captain and let them know they’re carrying, where they’re sitting, etc. He had some tiny woman present Department of Education credentials and announce she was armed. He told her to check the weapon or he’d have her denied boarding. There was a bit of back-and-forth and her checking with superiors before she finally complied.

    There is a lot of stuff like that, that if the average normal American knew about would outrage them. “Oh here’s some 100 pound gal that likely doesn’t know which end of that gun is the dangerous one…and she’s carrying on a passenger airliner. What could go wrong?”

    That the GOP has sat idly by while bureaucrats from federal agencies that are themselves of dubious constitutionality decide they need to carry guns is Exhibit 1,227,993 of the uselessness of the GOP.

  190. peterAUS says:
    @Joe Stalin

    ….120,000 individuals….Maybe that is a small number in the overall scheme of a war…

    Actually, it isn’t.

    The important part: having those people in groups, to start with, of around….600 I’d say.

    So, in practical terms: having 600 trained men/women in a sizeable town/small city. THAT is the starting setup. They can, IF well organized and led, create an environment in which thousands of other people can be trained, fast, up to a required level.
    It can get complicated (Devil is in details) but that’s the gist.

    …the whole point is to avoid armed conflict…

    I hear you WELL
    I’ve been in war (or so I say; you know, “armchair commando/warrior/etc” stuff). As I speak, sometimes, with some people, I do say: I prefer this globo-homo world to war. Or….I prefer to keep my mouth shut, smile at male couples kissing on the beach, working twice much for half a pay…stuff like that….to expecting a shell to land, any second, next to me.

    Having said that…….the CATCH is: I’d prefer that shell to being picked up and sent to re-education facility or beaten to a pulp in shopping mail for “youth” amusement. Makes sense?

    The thing in avoiding armed conflict is: it requires two smart parties. You see the current “prog/leftist/globalist” team as smart?

    And there is more: while you are avoiding it maybe…just maybe…you are making the other party stronger and yourself weaker. Maybe not.

    I guess the next five years will clear that up.

  191. J1234 says:
    @anon

    So I’m not the only one who thinks an AR15 is effin loud.

    Too loud for indoor use, that’s for sure. I’ve also heard them with bump stocks, and they’re almost too loud for outdoor use in that configuration. It would be interesting to research indoor mass shootings (where AR’s or AK’s were used) to find out how many survivors suffered from long term hearing impairment after the attacks.

  192. J1234 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m guessing the “Other guns or type not stated” is where they find the victim with a bullet in him, but don’t recover the gun used. Rounds that are chambered in both handguns and rifles include: 9mm, .380, .357, .38 Special, .45 acp, 10 mm and .40 s&w. Those calibers are handgun rounds 95+% of the time, and very common, but if you can’t find the murder weapon, you can’t know or say for sure, I guess. (In fact, they now even make “handguns” chambered in .223 and .45/70, but not often.)

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  193. Neoconned says:

    Another thing I didn’t think about and the reason why deep staters fear both the militia movement nutjobs and veterans in general…..

    If you have ever read about the “bankers plot” using Smedley Butler to overthrow FDR during the 1930s the basic gist was using WW1 veterans groups to March on Washington under Butlers command and then to storm the SCOTUS and White House and the Congress and set up some kinda Cromwell type dictatorship backed by veterans groups…..which is probably why Hoover used the military to attack the so called Bonus March…..

    And then there was the OKC bombing….which if you believe the official story 2 or 3 regular army guys can cause BILLIONS in urban insurance and govt monetary losses with a few grand of fertilizers and some specialized rocket fuel or some such. Now multiply those 2 or 3 men to say a thousand man unit and the whole nation goes cuckoo…..but then again I dont buy the government’s story because I know about Strassmeir etc

    But I will say during the JFK assassination there was fear it was a right wing coup and a Lincoln type attack to kill the entire cabinet like what Booth and his guys did….

    That’s probably why they faked the Vegas shooting….to have a legal rationale to ban bump stocks and drum magazines…..

    But I could just be speculating conspiracy theories….lol

  194. JMcG says:
    @NoWeltschmerz

    You are exactly correct. The only proper response to the demand for banning guns in this day and age is: Go f**k yourself.

  195. Neoconned says:
    @TGGP

    https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

    https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

    School shootings and mass shootings peaked in the 1990s and were higher in the 80s than the 2000s or the current decade.

    Most of what you hear is media hysteria pumping the narrative 24/7 that makes ppl think it’s more common than it is.

    Before 9/11 most ppl got their news from boring droll newspapers or Brokaw/Rather type broadcasts. Post 9-11 Fox News created the 24/7 news cycle and CNN etc copied it there for ratings sake

    Its actually safer now than it has been in decades:

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

    In LA and NYC for instance crime is at 1950s or 60s levels. And pretty much is the same in all cities not heavily populated by blacks….look at Seattle or Denver…..

  196. @peterAUS

    I thought it was about the will to confront TPTBs who implement policies the population doesn’t like. Especially those policies detrimental to the very survival of that population.

    Right. There’s still time to bide (tick tock). Red-blooded Americans aren’t at the “wolverine offense” stage yet. Not enough nematocysts have been tripped. As you wrote earlier:

    As I speak, sometimes, with some people, I do say: I prefer this globo-homo world to war. Or….I prefer to keep my mouth shut, smile at male couples kissing on the beach, working twice much for half a pay…stuff like that….to expecting a shell to land, any second, next to me.

    You write:

    So….when Americans pulled their War of Independence that was about gun rights? Didn’t know that. I thought it was about taxation of something similar.

    It was about: In a given territory (and maybe future additions thereto)—who makes the rules, and what are the rules? The Founders and their like-minded brethren decided some adjustments to the status quo were necessary… It just so happens that ‘shit got real’ at Lexington and Concord. The King’s men were looking for matériel that didn’t materialize. Instead they got a swarm of motivated shooters.

    And I thought that the reason for Confederacy was something else.

    No, it was for the same reasons in the first sentence: territory, rules.

    So…Washington wanted to restrict gun rights there?

    Nope—the Union wanted to keep Dixie ‘in the family.’ And keep future territories slavery-free: Having a potentially hostile Slavery Empire at one’s borders can be awkward—especially if said empire can’t keep its pets from escaping, and demands their return on the regular.

    (re egalitarian)?!

    Functionally egalitarian in the present day, yes. But like I wrote earlier, there’s room for improvement …

    A man can learn a lot here.

    Indeed! 🙂

    And there is more: while you are avoiding it maybe…just maybe…you are making the other party stronger and yourself weaker. Maybe not.

    I guess the next five years will clear that up.

    Quite possibly.

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  197. @peterAUS

    “So….when Americans pulled their War of Independence that was about gun rights? ”

    Sure, why not?

    [MORE]

    The American Revolution against British Gun Control

    By David B. Kopel*

    Administrative and Regulatory Law News (American Bar Association). Vol. 37, no. 4, Summer 2012. More by Kopel on the right to arms in the Founding Era.

    This Article reviews the British gun control program that precipitated the American Revolution: the 1774 import ban on firearms and gunpowder; the 1774-75 confiscations of firearms and gunpowder; and the use of violence to effectuate the confiscations. It was these events that changed a situation of political tension into a shooting war. Each of these British abuses provides insights into the scope of the modern Second Amendment.

    Furious at the December 1773 Boston Tea Party, Parliament in 1774 passed the Coercive Acts. The particular provisions of the Coercive Acts were offensive to Americans, but it was the possibility that the British might deploy the army to enforce them that primed many colonists for armed resistance. The Patriots of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, resolved: “That in the event of Great Britain attempting to force unjust laws upon us by the strength of arms, our cause we leave to heaven and our rifles.” A South Carolina newspaper essay, reprinted in Virginia, urged that any law that had to be enforced by the military was necessarily illegitimate.

    The Royal Governor of Massachusetts, General Thomas Gage, had forbidden town meetings from taking place more than once a year. When he dispatched the Redcoats to break up an illegal town meeting in Salem, 3000 armed Americans appeared in response, and the British retreated. Gage’s aide John Andrews explained that everyone in the area aged 16 years or older owned a gun and plenty of gunpowder.

    Military rule would be difficult to impose on an armed populace. Gage had only 2,000 troops in Boston. There were thousands of armed men in Boston alone, and more in the surrounding area. One response to the problem was to deprive the Americans of gunpowder.

    Modern “smokeless” gunpowder is stable under most conditions. The “black powder” of the 18th Century was far more volatile. Accordingly, large quantities of black powder were often stored in a town’s “powder house,” typically a reinforced brick building. The powder house would hold merchants’ reserves, large quantities stored by individuals, as well as powder for use by the local militia. Although colonial laws generally required militiamen (and sometimes all householders, too) to have their own firearm and a minimum quantity of powder, not everyone could afford it. Consequently, the government sometimes supplied “public arms” and powder to individual militiamen. Policies varied on whether militiamen who had been given public arms would keep them at home. Public arms would often be stored in a special armory, which might also be the powder house.

    Before dawn on September 1, 1774, 260 of Gage’s Redcoats sailed up the Mystic River and seized hundreds of barrels of powder from the Charlestown powder house.

    The “Powder Alarm,” as it became known, was a serious provocation. By the end of the day, 20,000 militiamen had mobilized and started marching towards Boston. In Connecticut and Western Massachusetts, rumors quickly spread that the Powder Alarm had actually involved fighting in the streets of Boston. More accurate reports reached the militia companies before that militia reached Boston, and so the war did not begin in September. The message, though, was unmistakable: If the British used violence to seize arms or powder, the Americans would treat that violent seizure as an act of war, and would fight. And that is exactly what happened several months later, on April 19, 1775.

    Five days after the Powder Alarm, on September 6, the militia of the towns of Worcester County assembled on the Worcester Common. Backed by the formidable array, the Worcester Convention took over the reins of government, and ordered the resignations of all militia officers, who had received their commissions from the Royal Governor. The officers promptly resigned and then received new commissions from the Worcester Convention.

    That same day, the people of Suffolk County (which includes Boston) assembled and adopted the Suffolk Resolves. The 19-point Resolves complained about the Powder Alarm, and then took control of the local militia away from the Royal Governor (by replacing the Governor’s appointed officers with officers elected by the militia) and resolved to engage in group practice with arms at least weekly.

    The First Continental Congress, which had just assembled in Philadelphia, unanimously endorsed the Suffolk Resolves and urged all the other colonies to send supplies to help the Bostonians.

    Governor Gage directed the Redcoats to begin general, warrantless searches for arms and ammunition. According to the Boston Gazette, of all General Gage’s offenses, “what most irritated the People” was “seizing their Arms and Ammunition.”

    When the Massachusetts Assembly convened, General Gage declared it illegal, so the representatives reassembled as the “Provincial Congress.” On October 26, 1774, the Massachusetts Provincial Congress adopted a resolution condemning military rule, and criticizing Gage for “unlawfully seizing and retaining large quantities of ammunition in the arsenal at Boston.” The Provincial Congress urged all militia companies to organize and elect their own officers. At least a quarter of the militia (the famous Minute Men) were directed to “equip and hold themselves in readiness to march at the shortest notice.” The Provincial Congress further declared that everyone who did not already have a gun should get one, and start practicing with it diligently.

    In flagrant defiance of royal authority, the Provincial Congress appointed a Committee of Safety and vested it with the power to call forth the militia. The militia of Massachusetts was now the instrument of what was becoming an independent government of Massachusetts.

    Lord Dartmouth, the Royal Secretary of State for America, sent Gage a letter on October 17, 1774, urging him to disarm New England. Gage replied that he would like to do so, but it was impossible without the use of force. After Gage’s letter was made public by a reading in the British House of Commons, it was publicized in America as proof of Britain’s malign intentions.

    Two days after Lord Dartmouth dispatched his disarmament recommendation, King George III and his ministers blocked importation of arms and ammunition to America. Read literally, the order merely required a permit to export arms or ammunition from Great Britain to America. In practice, no permits were granted.

    Meanwhile, Benjamin Franklin was masterminding the surreptitious import of arms and ammunition from the Netherlands, France, and Spain.

    The patriotic Boston Committee of Correspondence learned of the arms embargo and promptly dispatched Paul Revere to New Hampshire, with the warning that two British ships were headed to Fort William and Mary, near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, to seize firearms, cannons, and gunpowder. On December 14, 1774, 400 New Hampshire patriots preemptively captured all the material at the fort. A New Hampshire newspaper argued that the capture was prudent and proper, reminding readers that the ancient Carthaginians had consented to “deliver up all their Arms to the Romans” and were decimated by the Romans soon after.

    In Parliament, a moderate minority favored conciliation with America. Among the moderates was the Duke of Manchester, who warned that America now had three million people, and most of them were trained to use arms. He was certain they could produce a stronger army than Great Britain.

    The Massachusetts Provincial Congress offered to purchase as many arms and bayonets as could be delivered to the next session of the Congress. Massachusetts also urged American gunsmiths “diligently to apply themselves” to making guns for everyone who did not already have a gun. A few weeks earlier, the Congress had resolved: “That it be strongly recommended, to all the inhabitants of this colony, to be diligently attentive to learning the use of arms . . . .”

    Derived from political and legal philosophers such as John Locke, Hugo Grotius, and Edward Coke, the ideology underlying all forms of American resistance was explicitly premised on the right of self-defense of all inalienable rights; from the self-defense foundation was constructed a political theory in which the people were the masters and government the servant, so that the people have the right to remove a disobedient servant.

    The British government was not, in a purely formal sense, attempting to abolish the Americans’ common law right of self-defense. Yet in practice, that was precisely what the British were attempting. First, by disarming the Americans, the British were attempting to make the practical exercise of the right of personal self-defense much more difficult. Second, and more fundamentally, the Americans made no distinction between self-defense against a lone criminal or against a criminal government. To the Americans, and to their British Whig ancestors, the right of self-defense necessarily implied the right of armed self-defense against tyranny.

    The troubles in New England inflamed the other colonies. Patrick Henry’s great speech to the Virginia legislature on March 23, 1775, argued that the British plainly meant to subjugate America by force. Because every attempt by the Americans at peaceful reconciliation had been rebuffed, the only remaining alternatives for the Americans were to accept slavery or to take up arms. If the Americans did not act soon, the British would soon disarm them, and all hope would be lost. “The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us,” he promised.

    The Convention formed a committee–including Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson–“to prepare a plan for the embodying, arming, and disciplining such a number of men as may be sufficient” to defend the commonwealth. The Convention urged “that every Man be provided with a good Rifle” and “that every Horseman be provided . . . with Pistols and Holsters, a Carbine, or other Firelock.” When the Virginia militiamen assembled a few weeks later, many wore canvas hunting shirts adorned with the motto “Liberty or Death.”

    In South Carolina, patriots established a government, headed by the “General Committee.” The Committee described the British arms embargo as a plot to disarm the Americans in order to enslave them. Thus, the Committee recommended that “all persons” should “immediately” provide themselves with a large quantity of ammunition.

    Without formal legal authorization, Americans began to form independent militia, outside the traditional chain of command of the royal governors. In Virginia, George Washington and George Mason organized the Fairfax Independent Militia Company. The Fairfax militiamen pledged that “we will, each of us, constantly keep by us” a firelock, six pounds of gunpowder, and twenty pounds of lead. Other independent militia embodied in Virginia along the same model. Independent militia also formed in Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maryland, and South Carolina, choosing their own officers.

    John Adams praised the newly constituted Massachusetts militia, “commanded through the province, not by men who procured their commissions from a governor as a reward for making themselves pimps to his tools.”

    The American War of Independence began on April 19, 1775, when 700 Redcoats under the command of Major John Pitcairn left Boston to seize American arms at Lexington and Concord.

    The militia that assembled at the Lexington Green and the Concord Bridge consisted of able-bodied men aged 16 to 60. They supplied their own firearms, although a few poor men had to borrow a gun. Warned by Paul Revere and Samuel Dawes of the British advance, the young women of Lexington assembled cartridges late into the evening of April 18.

    At dawn, the British confronted about 200 militiamen at Lexington. “Disperse you Rebels–Damn you, throw down your Arms and disperse!” ordered Major Pitcairn. The Americans were quickly routed.

    With a “huzzah” of victory, the Redcoats marched on to Concord, where one of Gage’s spies had told him that the largest Patriot reserve of gunpowder was stored. At Concord’s North Bridge, the town militia met with some of the British force, and after a battle of two or three minutes, drove off the British.

    Notwithstanding the setback at the bridge, the Redcoats had sufficient force to search the town for arms and ammunition. But the main powder stores at Concord had been hauled to safety before the Redcoats arrived.

    When the British began to withdraw back to Boston, things got much worse for them. Armed Americans were swarming in from nearby towns. They would soon outnumber the British 2:1. Although some of the Americans cohered in militia units, a great many fought on their own, taking sniper positions wherever opportunity presented itself. Only British reinforcements dispatched from Boston saved the British expedition from annihilation–and the fact that the Americans started running out of ammunition and gun powder.

    One British officer reported: “These fellows were generally good marksmen, and many of them used long guns made for Duck-Shooting.” On a per-shot basis, the Americans inflicted higher casualties than had the British regulars.

    That night, the American militiamen began laying siege to Boston, where General Gage’s standing army was located. At dawn, Boston had been the base from which the King’s army could project force into New England. Now, it was trapped in the city, surrounded by people in arms.

    Two days later in Virginia, royal authorities confiscated 20 barrels of gunpowder from the public magazine in Williamsburg and destroyed the public firearms there by removing their firing mechanisms. In response to complaints, manifested most visibly by the mustering of a large independent militia led by Patrick Henry, Governor Dunmore delivered a legal note promising to pay restitution.

    At Lexington and Concord, forcible disarmament had not worked out for the British. So back in Boston, Gage set out to disarm the Bostonians a different way.

    On April 23, 1775, Gage offered the Bostonians the opportunity to leave town if they surrendered their arms. The Boston Selectmen voted to accept the offer, and within days, 2,674 guns were deposited, one gun for every two adult male Bostonians.

    Gage thought that many Bostonians still had guns, and he refused to allow the Bostonians to leave. Indeed, a large proportion of the surrendered guns were “training arms”–large muskets with bayonets, that would be difficult to hide. After several months, food shortages in Boston convinced Gage to allow easier emigration from the city.

    Gage’s disarmament program incited other Americans to take up arms. Benjamin Franklin, returning to Philadelphia after an unsuccessful diplomatic trip to London, “was highly pleased to find the Americans arming and preparing for the worst events.”

    The government in London dispatched more troops and three more generals to America: William Howe, Henry Clinton, and John Burgoyne. The generals arrived on May 25, 1775, with orders from Lord Dartmouth to seize all arms in public armories, or which had been “secretly collected together for the purpose of aiding Rebellions.”

    The war underway, the Americans captured Fort Ticonderoga in upstate New York. At the June 17 Battle of Bunker Hill, the militia held its ground against the British regulars and inflicted heavy casualties, until they ran out of gunpowder and were finally driven back. (Had Gage not confiscated the gunpowder from the Charleston Powder House the previous September, the Battle of Bunker Hill probably would have resulted in an outright defeat of the British.)

    On June 19, Gage renewed his demand that the Bostonians surrender their arms, and he declared that anyone found in possession of arms would be deemed guilty of treason.

    Meanwhile, the Continental Congress had voted to send ten companies of riflemen from Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Virginia to aid the Massachusetts militia.

    On July 6, 1775, the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms, written by Thomas Jefferson and the great Pennsylvania lawyer John Dickinson. Among the grievances were General Gage’s efforts to disarm the people of Lexington, Concord, and Boston.

    Two days later, the Continental Congress sent an open letter to the people of Great Britain warning that “men trained to arms from their Infancy, and animated by the Love of Liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.”

    The Swiss immigrant John Zubly, who was serving as a Georgia delegate to the Continental Congress, wrote a pamphlet entitled Great Britain’s Right to Tax . . . By a Swiss, which was published in London and Philadelphia. He warned that “in a strong sense of liberty, and the use of fire-arms almost from the cradle, the Americans have vastly the advantage over men of their rank almost every where else.” Indeed, children were “shouldering the resemblance of a gun before they are well able to walk.” “The Americans will fight like men, who have everything at stake,” and their motto was “DEATH OR FREEDOM.” The town of Gorham, Massachusetts (now part of the State of Maine), sent the British government a warning that even “many of our Women have been used to handle the Cartridge and load the Musquet.”

    It was feared that the Massachusetts gun confiscation was the prototype for the rest of America. For example, a newspaper article published in three colonies reported that when the new British generals arrived, they would order everyone in America “to deliver up their arms by a certain stipulated day.”

    The events of April 19 convinced many more Americans to arm themselves and to embody independent militia. A report from New York City observed that “the inhabitants there are arming themselves . . . forming companies, and taking every method to defend our rights. The like spirit prevails in the province of New Jersey, where a large and well disciplined militia are now fit for action.”

    In Virginia, Lord Dunmore observed: “Every County is now Arming a Company of men whom they call an independent Company for the avowed purpose of protecting their Committee, and to be employed against Government if occasion require.” North Carolina’s Royal Governor Josiah Martin issued a proclamation outlawing independent militia, but it had little effect.

    A Virginia gentleman wrote a letter to a Scottish friend explaining in America:

    We are all in arms, exercising and training old and young to the use of the gun. No person goes abroad without his sword, or gun, or pistols. . . . Every plain is full of armed men, who all wear a hunting shirt, on the left breast of which are sewed, in very legible letters, “Liberty or Death.”

    The British escalated the war. Royal Admiral Samuel Graves ordered that all seaports north of Boston be burned.

    When the British navy showed up at what was then known as Falmouth, Massachusetts (today’s Portland, Maine), the town attempted to negotiate. The townspeople gave up eight muskets, which was hardly sufficient, and so Falmouth was destroyed by naval bombardment.

    The next year, the 13 Colonies would adopt the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration listed the tyrannical acts of King George III, including his methods for carrying out gun control: “He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our people.”

    As the war went on, the British always remembered that without gun control, they could never control America. In 1777, with British victory seeming likely, Colonial Undersecretary William Knox drafted a plan entitled “What Is Fit to Be Done with America?” To ensure that there would be no future rebellions, “[t]he Militia Laws should be repealed and none suffered to be re-enacted, & the Arms of all the People should be taken away, . . . nor should any Foundery or manufactuary of Arms, Gunpowder, or Warlike Stores, be ever suffered in America, nor should any Gunpowder, Lead, Arms or Ordnance be imported into it without Licence . . . .”

    To the Americans of the Revolution and the Founding Era, the theory of some late-20th Century courts that the Second Amendment is a “collective right” and not an “individual right” might have seemed incomprehensible. The Americans owned guns individually, in their homes. They owned guns collectively, in their town armories and powder houses. They would not allow the British to confiscate their individual arms, nor their collective arms; and when the British tried to do both, the Revolution began. The Americans used their individual arms and their collective arms to fight against the confiscation of any arms. Americans fought to provide themselves a government that would never perpetrate the abuses that had provoked the Revolution.

    What are modern versions of such abuses? The reaction against the 1774 import ban for firearms and gunpowder (via a discretionary licensing law) indicates that import restrictions are unconstitutional if their purpose is to make it more difficult for Americans to possess guns. The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits the import of any firearm that is not deemed “sporting” by federal regulators. That import ban seems difficult to justify based on the historical record of 1774-76.

    Laws disarming people who have proven themselves to be a particular threat to public safety are not implicated by the 1774-76 experience. In contrast, laws that aim to disarm the public at large are precisely what turned a political argument into the American Revolution.

    The most important lesson for today from the Revolution is about militaristic or violent search and seizure in the name of disarmament. As Hurricane Katrina bore down on Louisiana, police officers in St. Charles Parish confiscated firearms from people who were attempting to flee. After the hurricane passed, officers went house to house in New Orleans, breaking into homes and confiscating firearms at gunpoint. The firearms seizures were flagrantly illegal under existing state law. A federal district judge soon issued an order against the confiscation, ordering the return of the seized guns.

    When there is genuine evidence of potential danger–such as evidence that guns are in the possession of a violent gang–then the Fourth Amendment properly allows no-knock raids, flash-bang grenades, and similar violent tactics to carry out a search. Conversely, if there is no real evidence of danger–for example, if it is believed that a person who has no record of violence owns guns but has not registered them properly–then militaristically violent enforcement of a search warrant should never be allowed. Gun ownership simpliciter ought never to be a pretext for government violence. The Americans in 1775 fought a war because the king did not agree.

    http://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/american-revolution-against-british-gun-control.html

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  198. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    This is how Gary Kildall died.

  199. JMcG says:
    @peterAUS

    The Battles of Lexington and Concord were really two skirmishes in one day-long battle fought on the 19th of April, 1775. They are generally held to have been the start of the Revolutionary War in the Colonies.
    They were the result of arms raids by the British Army into the hinterlands of Boston. This used to be well known by any American schoolboy.
    Early stages of the Troubles in Ireland and the Spanish Civil War went the same way. Come to think of it, the Harpers Ferry Raid was an arms raid, though one staged against the military power, rather than by it.

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  200. JMcG says:
    @Robert

    You forgot the very dry “little girl” in the middle of that question.

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  201. Lagertha says:
    @anon

    so sorry for your loss. Most women aren’t jerks – it’s a pity we did not connect in the 80’s.

  202. Lagertha says:
    @anon

    I get it. But time is still time ticking.

  203. peterAUS says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There’s still time to bide (tick tock).

    Agree. Emphasize on “tick tock”.

    Here is a thought:
    How about you elevate your thinking from “AR-15 and my own bunch” to “M252 mortar and a little town”?
    The concept of “two levels up”.

    Better than social media re fun and much more useful, probably, in times to come.

    Just a thought……

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  204. Lagertha says:
    @anon

    I get it. But time is still time ticking.

  205. Anon[930] • Disclaimer says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    That explains why they both missed?

    Parisian magazine illustrators were not at the top of the art class, I guess.

  206. peterAUS says:
    @JMcG

    Well…every now and then this topic comes up here. I call it “2nd Amendment thing”.
    Thing because it means different thing to different people.

    The topic stays up a bit and then disappears fast. Emphasize on “fast”. Makes you think if you are naive. No, there is no agenda/gatekeeping/whatever. It’s simply too toxic for an average alt-lighter.

    Now, I am aware that for most Americans the “thing” is about having a firearm for personal protection against a common thug/criminal/whatever. That’s fine.
    For sizeable part it’s about certain…mindset/attitude I’ll pass here. Think “fantasy/fetish” things.

    Now…for a minority of people interested in the topic, it is about means to confront the contemporary POWER. There are other means, granted: informing elected representatives, protesting, media, voting, etc. All good. Hehe..or that’s what we like to believe.

    I just guess that minority should start thinking a bit harder/better about the future. Scenarios etc. Probabilities, possibilities..and their own role in all that.

    I am sure the opposition is doing that a lot as we speak.Obviously.
    And it will just ramp up the intensity in years to come.

    Anyway… a serious chat about all that will start when people are ready.
    Hehe….the catch is, it could be too late.

    I mean, I admire the extraordinary expertise Americans “into guns” have about marksmanship, custom ammo, small arms ballistics etc. As an “ex-military” (or so I say) I learned quite a lot, in that area, from “civilians” there.
    I, also, find lack of, how to put it, “organizational/tactical thinking” above the level of, say, 20 guys……interesting. Coming across an American patriot “into guns” who could organize and lead 2oo men in combat is a rare thing. Very.
    Understandable, at this stage.Sort of blackpilling too.

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  207. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    A real revolution will require people, successful people, with real military experience in real militaries.

    That isn’t happening now or in the very near future.

    It will happen some day but probably not in my lifetime.

    In the meantime, it will also require people who can shoot, who can move around and navigate and function in the bush and in cities and suburbs, people with metalworking and gunsmithing and locksmithing skills, people who understand infrastructure: power distribution, gas and water pipelines, heavy equipment operating, railroads (most people are oblivious how important rail is in the US today, since it essentially doesn’t carry passengers, outside the Acela coridor), RF communications. People with all kinds of tradecraft, some of which you can learn from books, some of which have to be taught one on one. No one can learn everything.

    And it will take people on the inside, people in the DMV and police dispatchers and courts and working for the railroads and credit card call centers and banks and a million other places you don’t think about. (The Big Four biker outfits know this, they get their ‘old ladies’ in the DMV and vital records departments. Mostly they keep their heads down and act as moles, but every one in a while a document otherwise off limits needs copying or a birth record ginned up. There’s a reason highway patrolmen have a sort of detente’ with these guys: they tend to get a call at Christmas or New Years at the house from a chapter president to express best wishes or their kids come home with a red and white flower arrangement from the hospital after they had their tonsils out saying ‘Get Well Soon!, AFFA’.)

    It isn’t going to happen soon, but make no mistake, it absolutely will happen some day.
    The problem is that from then to now, we are deteriorating badly. What will save us, I think, is that as always the enemy will get greedy and go too far too fast.

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  208. @peterAUS

    The concept of “two levels up”.

    Just a thought……

    “Dog on the internet” prognostication:

    A number of .mil personnel are in place who will do the right thing (when …)

    Skilled fighters, techs, and all sorts of interesting gear will ‘divert’ from the official program. Erstwhile ‘gray man’ and ‘gray woman’ civvies and vets will assist and blend the strengths.

    https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2018/02/01/dont-be-the-gray-man

    See Anonymous[427]’s comment here …

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-war-on-rifles/#comment-3486944

    … it’s not just about combined arms dominance, it’s about motivated civilians with various skills based in cities, suburbs, and hinterlands that will make or break a movement.

    Now how many and how driven and how cohesive and how robust—who can say right now? Your stateside recon has got you worried—you’re thinking: If not the ‘cowboy’ Yanks already—who’s gonna step up???

    Relax, mate. There’s no plan that readers here can orchestrate ahead of time—if amateurs (and even pros) try, they’ll get permanently benched before kickoff.

    So… what advice?

    Get hard, get knowledge, get stuff, and stay political (anonymous or otherwise).

    And for now, enjoy the ride. 😉

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  209. @Tom-in-VA

    The cop was reinstated but the illegal went free. A cop here in the Peoples’ Republic told me fifteen years ago it was worth his job to inquire about immigration status.

  210. @peterAUS

    I think our difference ““organizational/tactical thinking” above the level of, say, 20 guys” is that Americans aren’t thinking in terms of ‘enemy territory’ if civil insurrection comes.

    Think of the UK in Northern Ireland; now imagine ALL the general population lavishly armed with Glock 9mms, AR-15s and AKMs. Unregistered weapons NOT subject to immediate confiscation like what happened in the Anglophone countries like Australia, UK and New Zealand.

    That’s us.

    America.

    F*ck Yeah.

  211. peterAUS says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Good find and a very good reading.

    This caught my eye:

    ….Before dawn on September 1, 1774, 260 of Gage’s Redcoats sailed up the Mystic River and seized hundreds of barrels of powder from the Charlestown powder house.
    The “Powder Alarm,” as it became known, was a serious provocation. By the end of the day, 20,000 militiamen had mobilized and started marching towards Boston. ….

    20 000. In a day………….

    Imagine just tenth of that number……………………

    How the times have changed, a? How people have changed.

  212. peterAUS says:
    @Anonymous

    A real revolution will require people, successful people, with real military experience in real militaries.

    In the meantime, it will also require people who can shoot, who can move around and navigate and function in the bush and in cities and suburbs, people with metalworking and gunsmithing and locksmithing skills, people who understand infrastructure: power distribution, gas and water pipelines, heavy equipment operating, railroads (most people are oblivious how important rail is in the US today, since it essentially doesn’t carry passengers, outside the Acela coridor), RF communications. People with all kinds of tradecraft, some of which you can learn from books, some of which have to be taught one on one. No one can learn everything.

    And it will take people on the inside, people in the DMV and police dispatchers and courts and working for the railroads and credit card call centers and banks and a million other places you don’t think about.

    Yes.

    Not so sure about:

    That isn’t happening now or in the very near future.

    It will happen some day but probably not in my lifetime.

    It isn’t going to happen soon, but make no mistake, it absolutely will happen some day

    Because:

    The problem is that from then to now, we are deteriorating badly. What will save us, I think, is that as always the enemy will get greedy and go too far too fast.

    One way to find out.

  213. peterAUS says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Pretty much.

    Especially:

    ….it’s about motivated civilians with various skills based in cities, suburbs, and hinterlands that will make or break a movement.

    …if amateurs (and even pros) try, they’ll get permanently benched before kickoff.

    So… what advice?

    Get hard, get knowledge, get stuff, and stay political (anonymous or otherwise).

    “Get knowledge” in particular. THAT is my angle here. The missing angle.

    “Get knowledge to ORGANIZE and LEAD”. Not just shoot, move, communicate etc.
    ORGANIZE and LEAD. And, the most important, not just a bunch of people. A suburb, a village….a small town. THAT is the objective I feel true patriots should be striving for.

    Hehe..those smart enough. Not everyone is that material.
    But those who are, do it.

    The Power will squash, as a bug, with gusto, a bunch of guys. The squashing will actually benefit them. Make an example.
    Squashing 600 people in a small town/big city suburb/large rural settlement is another matter altogether. or 2000. Or even more….

    “Koba” above posted an excellent example. 20 000. There were batallions/regiments there. Before cell phones, in a day.

    Anyway, just the train of thought.

  214. J1234 says:
    @JMcG

    .22!

    Yes, that’s the best example of a cartridge chambered in both pistol and rifle, but I’m not sure how many people are murdered with .22’s. Shot and wounded, probably a lot, but murdered, I don’t know. They certainly can be lethal, but not like larger calibers. Also, used to be (40 years ago) that .22’s were the inexpensive handguns…not so much anymore.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/27/upshot/deadly-bullets-guns.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=CEB99E2F5A328BC72B507D113513EDC7&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALL

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  215. @Achmed E. Newman

    The ctrl-left gun-control-nuts just don’t know that much about guns.

    It’s partly that, but it’s also that any effort to actually understand the other side’s viewpoint is viewed by shitlibs as a sign that you might empathize with it in some way. Very dangerous.

    Openly displaying one’s ignorance of the technical details of firearms is a form of “virtue signaling” for leftists, while “too much” knowledge is viewed with suspicion. Seriously.

  216. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    No, real leftists like guns and know all about them. However it’s in their interest so long as they’re the minority to pretend otherwise and to push for gun control.

  217. JMcG says:
    @peterAUS

    I don’t disagree with anything you’ve written here. I’d say that logistical awareness is at least as big a problem.

  218. Rober says:
    @JMcG

    Sometimes, Archie would use that degrading term for Gloria. I’ll bet he did use it that time. Thanks for the reminder! I still think that was one of the funniest lines ever heard on a network tv series!

  219. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    .22 LR, or even shorts or CB caps are often used by professional hit men and by poachers for game up to and including deer.

    Jeff Cooper insisted on calling any long gun firing a pistol cartridge a “carbine”. I disagree with this in that many modern handgun cartridges are clearly in rifle territory in terms of muzzle velocity and energy while one correctly refers to minimum legal length rifles as “carbines” even when they fire cartridges wholly unsuited to handguns.

    In particular many modern magnum pistol cartridges are ideally suited to short or medium sized rifles-call them rifles, carbines or whatever at your discretion-and are woefully underutilized for that. I’m thinking of the rimless 357, 44 AMP,.45 and 9mm Wildey, etc magnums for autoloaders and the .460 S&W for a pump or lever gun. I would especially like to see a lever or pump gun that will interchangeably feed .45 LC, .454 Casull, .410 shotgun shells and .460 S&W.

  220. J1234 says:

    .22 LR, or even shorts or CB caps are often used by professional hit men

    I’ve heard that, but those hits would count for a small percentage of murders committed in the US.

    “I would especially like to see a lever or pump gun that will interchangeably feed .45 LC, .454 Casull, .410 shotgun shells and .460 S&W.”

    Me too.

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