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From The Atlantic:

Do White College Students Believe Stereotypes About Minorities?
Researchers found that they bought into the trope that Asian Americans are more competent, and blacks and Latinos need to “work harder.”

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Asian American students are “cold but competent.” Latinos and blacks “need to work harder to move up.”

At least, that’s how their white peers at the country’s elite colleges and universities see them, according to a new study by Baylor University researchers. The study uses data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Freshmen, a survey of 898 participants from 27 prestigious American universities in which respondents rated their opinions of Asian, black, and Latino Americans based on work ethic, intelligence, and perseverance.

Researchers set out to determine whether stereotypes of these minority groups are commonly believed and found their suspicions confirmed.

“Now we have some concrete evidence that some white people tend to think that,” said Jerry Park, an associate professor of sociology in Baylor’s College of Arts & Sciences and lead researcher on the study. … “Recent theories suggest that Latinos are generally perceived in the same ways as African Americans when compared against Asian Americans,” said Park. “These white student respondents tended to rate Asian Americans more highly than Latinos on qualities that reflect competence. …

The study was published in Social Psychology Quarterly and focused on the opinions of white students because, researchers wrote, “arguably, many of these respondents come largely from environments of privilege and will likely have significant influence in many quarters of American society.”

In other words, the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students, refusing to report what they had to say.

Isn’t that kind of racist?

 

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  1. Isn’t that kind of racist?

    Of course.

    SJWism is the last respectable refuge of white supremacism.

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  2. Isn’t that kind of racist?

    Totally racist.

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  3. The article was almost ridiculously predictable. The comments were utterly dominated by the type of posters you read here. In fact, I almost didn’t believe I was reading Atlantic commenters. Would they really allow that at their site?

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  4. Do Blacks, Hispanics and Asians have opinions and impressions of Whites and the previously mentioned ethnic groups? I imagine so, but to publish them would make them sound racist, so that would be racist. Or something….

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  5. The study was published in Social Psychology Quarterly

    Well, this will be one social psychology finding that, pace Steven Pinker, will not be hard to replicate.

    Just looking for the silver lining…

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  6. On the subject of stereotype research in social psychology, you would find this article very informative:

    http://quillette.com/2015/12/04/rebellious-scientist-surprising-truth-about-stereotypes/

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  7. >Latinos and blacks “need to work harder to move up.”

    Isn’t that a trope that we’re supposed to believe? The narrative tells us they are discriminated against and face structural racism which they have to work harder than whites to overcome.

    Of course, the truth is that blacks and latinos have to work much LESS hard than whites. About all they have to do is show up and string 3 words together and not be a felon and they can have a nice comfortable life.

    One way to look at it is that these “elite” white kids/((white kids)) are signaling that they are on the right team and learned what they were supposed to learn.

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  8. Sociology professor surveys white college students and discovers students are familiar with preferences in admissions and hiring practices that serve to advantage blacks and Hispanics, and disadvantage Asians–which are chalked up to ‘tropes’ and stereotype.

    I wonder, how is it possible that college students would entertain such ideas? It’s not the water, as separate drinking fountains were done away with long ago…

    Must be time to double-down on PC indoctrination and re-education camps.

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  9. When you see good internet comments in a venue you don’t expect, most likely the article was linked on Drudge or some other right-ish aggregator.

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  10. The left/academic label of “racist” is a slur only directed at whites. They would never call South African blacks or Gulf Arabs racist, even though they meet their definition.

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  11. The survey reported on in the Social Psychology Quarterly article included interviews with nonwhites: “…we designed a survey that includes equal-sized samples of white, black, Asian, and Latino freshmen entering selective colleges and universities” (quote from here). The researchers simply didn’t report on these data.

    FWIW, a 2012 post from David W. Moore reporting initially-unreported data from an implicit racial attitudes test, here.

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    the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students,

    That is so funny. The researchers didn’t think that what non-whites think would be of any importance and so didn’t even bother to interview them. They automatically bypassed them as though they were invisible.

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  13. In other words, the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students, refusing to interview them (presumably for fear of what they’d say).
    Isn’t that kind of racist?

    Yes, but they have an excuse:

    “Stereotypes of outgroups help create social identificational[sic] boundaries for ingroups. When the ingroup is dominant, members employ individualist sentiments to justify their status. In this study, we build on advances in social psychological research that account for multiple outgroup stereotypes. We argue the Asian American model minority stereotype is analogous to the “cold but competent” position of perceptions toward Asians in Fiske’s stereotype content model. Asian Americans are perceived to be exceptional to other minority groups, and we hypothesize that perceived competence is associated with individualist sentiments directed at Blacks and Latinos.”

    Translation: since every group of people is the same, Asians aren’t more competent. If you think otherwise, you’re creating social identificational boundaries with individualist sentiments out of thin air to justify your status as a bad whitey.

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  14. ot: US Regulators Find Serious Deficiencies At Theranos Lab

    ruh, roh! our favorite, turtle necked, crazy eyed, foundrix is in trouble with the feds.

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  15. OT:
    Ramzpaul and Breitbart have both recently done reports on a very thoughtful and sincere home made video by a German girl about how the flood of migrants has hit her personally. Ramzpaul’s video is: A German Girl’s Cry For Help and Breitbart’s story is called: ‘Angela Merkel You Have Killed Germany!’ – 16 Year Old Girl’s Migrant Fears Video That Some Claim Facebook Are ‘Censoring’

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

    I don’t want to make Steve Sailer watch a 20min video before approving this post, so people should find it themselves at YouTube under the title: ” 16 y/o German girl talks about Muslim immigration, destruction of her own country (Engl. subs) “

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  16. Lots of pushback in the comments. And this is The Atlantic! The cultural winds are definitely shifting. Can anyone envisage what a politically incorrect yet liberal future might look like?

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    Speaking of knowledge, Tell The Truth Marco!

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  18. environments of privilege

    Well yeah, they claimed to be white, didn’t they?

    That is the scientific definition of privilege, isn’t it?

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  19. So basically… they were being tricked into saying that they’re racist… and then the social scientist holds up the results and shows it to his peers “See? I told you they were racist! Now we have proof! Did I level up to progressive SWPL level 5 yet?”

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  20. I’ve actually heard a left-wing “race realist” argument that NAMs are incorrectly looked down on as lazy when they actually (through no fault of their own) just average lower IQs. There is a slight problem in that standardized test scores overpredict black academic performance (I’m not sure what the data says for hispanics), which may be related to James Heckman’s point about the importance of “non-cognitive” skills for achievement.

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  21. Just as blacks never “stereotype” they also never “lynch”.

    If three or more white people kill someone (preferably a minority) because of some personal offense it is a “lynching” by the over 100 year old NAACP definition.

    If three or more blacks kill similarly kill someone for giving personal offense, it is never called a “lynching”.

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  22. Yes, they do.

    Blacks = “White people are racist.”

    Hispanics = “White people are racist and xenophobic.”

    Asians = “White people kinda sorta tend to hold prejudicial opinions regarding most minorities (and we share their opinions regarding other non-whites as well, particularly regarding blacks) but whites tend to like us, so we’re conflicted. On one hand we appreciate the compliment but on the other hand, it’s like, ‘Hey! We didn’t ask to be patronized by the man!’

    So what to do? Do we march in solidarity with our fellow non-whites, who, lets face it, wouldn’t know squat about …if it weren’t handed to them by some Affirmative Action program, or do we silently nod and sternly press on in our careers and hopefully all other groups will just tend to ignore us, much as they mostly do right now?’ Call it a standoff, but we’re mostly content to let things remain as they are as well as being left alone by the SJW power structure.

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  23. Try to talk with Christian or other very religious people. They will repeat ad exhaustum the dogmas they learn. Exactly the same happen with zombie regressive left.

    Left is just the other side of mirror. The narrative is the opposite of right and absolutely nothing more.

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  24. Social scientists simultaneously tell us that stereotypes don’t have any basis in reality, and that nonwhites conform to stereotypes because of stereotype threat.

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  25. Kinda OT, but – Whoa!!

    Study out today showing 42 of the 50 most violent cities in the world are in Latin America, based on murder rate per 100,000.

    There are four cities in the US (you know which ones) and four in South Africa on the list.

    21 are in Brazil, the site of the 2016 Summer Olympics!! Eight in Venezuela and five in Mexico.

    Mexico somehow got lucky and had five cities fall off the list from last year, even though homicides were up in Mexico for 2015 over 2014:

    http://www.seguridadjusticiaypaz.org.mx/biblioteca/prensa/send/6-prensa/231-caracas-venezuela-the-most-violent-city-in-the-world

    (Mexican NGO put this out – English language intro and summary)

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  26. College Students, Stereotypes, And The War on Knowledge | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform
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  27. “In other words, the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students, refusing to report what they had to say. Isn’t that kind of racist?”

    Not kind of racist. Racist. The humanities and social sciences are shot through with “anti-racist racism”, “soft Marxism”, and God knows what-all to try and demonstrate that they’re sciences in the same sense as math and chemistry. The upshot is they’ve jettisoned completely the idea of individual moral agency, religious sensibility, nuanced judgments by individuals of complex human affairs, etc. I’m broad-brushing, but not by a whole lot. There’s a bunch of sheer intellectual laziness and cowardice in today’s humanities and social sciences.

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  28. This is interesting. The Igbos of Nigeria (also known as Ibos, also known as Biafrans) have decided that they’re Jewish.

    http://forward.com/news/331188/meet-the-igbo-nigerias-lost-jewish-tribe/

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    Only slightly OT:
    Do you know why the rate of death for low social-economic status whites has increased so much more than for others? Racists doctors! Yes, it’s them: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-one-experts-theory-why-205435837.html

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  30. That’s not actually a contradiction. It’s just that they believe reality is controlled by human social interaction and reject even the possibility that causation can flow the other way.

    If we believe something hard enough, reality will obviously conform – so their thinking goes. So if the reality is unacceptable, someone’s responsible for that. It’s someone’s fault.

    It’s the sort of cognition that lead to witchhunts. If the cow gets sick, obviously someone has to be responsible, it has to be someone’s fault. So therefore, witches.

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  31. Hannah wrote:

    Do Blacks, Hispanics and Asians have opinions and impressions of Whites and the previously mentioned ethnic groups?

    In all likelihood, they have similar impressions of different groups to the impressions whites have, with additions having to do with matters whites do not care about. E.g., having married in to a Chinese family, I know that Chinese really do think we whites have abnormally large noses (da bizi), but we whites just do not pay that much attention to noses!

    Look at honest black pundits such as Walter Williams or John McWhorter: their views are not dramatically different from Sailer’s, except that, as black guys, they are heart-broken that so many blacks do not work harder to get their act together. (I recommend viewing McWhorter’s lectures on linguistics from “The Teaching Company”: the guy is brilliant. Some black people really are smart.)

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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  32. Santoculto wrote:

    Try to talk with Christian or other very religious people. They will repeat ad exhaustum the dogmas they learn. Exactly the same happen with zombie regressive left.

    I think it was Vonnegut who pointed out that, for human beings, ideas are more badges of group identity than attempts to understand reality.

    It is indeed the same thing for both religious believers and leftists.

    Dave

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  33. SJWism is the last respectable refuge of white supremacism.

    I’ve had exactly the same thought: that when looking at the spectrum of ideologies, modern liberalism belongs as a sub-set of white racial supremacism.

    It’s telling that liberals are obsessed with the Nazis, as political groups often despise the very groups they are politically closest to–the ‘Judean Popular Front syndrome’ if you like, because they are competing for the same support.

    In an era when whites are denied any way of understanding their own history, or any kind of racial/historical identity, consciousness, or sense of destiny, is it outlandish to suppose that for some liberals White Guilt offers them the only acceptable way for them to have a racial sense of belonging–albeit and entirely negative one? One in which the Master Race willingly dissolves itself–imagine Angela Merkel as Arnie at the end of Terminator 2, lowering herself into the molten metal–for the sake of creating an Equality of Untermensch at some future date?

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  34. Discussing who is spearheading this war on knowledge is obviously forbidden – even here at unz.

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  35. That could get VERY interesting fast, that Steve Sailor graph (the most important graph in the world) could mean that there could be 10 million Igbos that decided to go Aliyah.

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  36. Yeah, you should hear what they say on Spanish language talk radio. One of my favorites (on a San Francisco station) was Hispanics complaining about Philipinos snarfing up Affirmative Action jobs meant for Hispanics (in particular how they’ve established a lock on Postal Service jobs).

    That, and it’s “chino” this and “chino” that all the time.

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  37. “Isn’t that kind of racist?”

    ….. not again

    I’m the only true race-ist.

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  38. On this I agree with you.

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  39. The lead researcher is Jerry Park. Isn’t that where the Expos used to play?

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  40. OT: Just flipped the channel to Supergirl … Strong, smart, sexy, competent black man (who apparently is a Martian in disguise) talking about how the WHITE martians brutally slaughtered his people, the green martians back on Mars ….

    The good news is, the ratings are starting to drop for this sh*t show.

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    1307370

    It’s funny because it’s not true.

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  42. The Igbos of Nigeria (also known as Ibos, also known as Biafrans) have decided that they’re Jewish.

    Can they join Igb’nai Igb’rith?

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  43. Sure, but what do Blacks think of Hispanics and vice versa? That’s the topic they avoid at all costs.

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  44. The lead researcher is Jerry Park. Isn’t that where the Expos used to play?

    That’s Jarry, Jerry’s sister.

    Jarry Park Stadium still stands, but was converted to tennis.

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    OT: Calling Education Realist…

    Barrons: SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal
    College Board under fire amid security breaches and calls for the test to be optional in U.S. college admissions.

    http://www.barrons.com/articles/sat-integrity-falls-victim-to-china-cheating-scandal-1453713163

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  46. “I think it was Vonnegut who pointed out that, for human beings, ideas are more badges of group identity than attempts to understand reality.It is indeed the same thing for both religious believers and leftists.”

    I’m with Vonnegut. That’s far more of a human flaw than a quirk of the religious or the left. The right and secularists (and libertarians, wishy-washy middle-roaders, etc…) are certainly not immune.

    In fact, that kind of twisting is arguably more dangerous among those who insist that their faction is intrinsically less susceptible to it, but that, too, is a flaw that extends to most all of humanity.

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  47. Agree, sort of, with your and Desiderius’s views on an intuitive basis. E. g., the Martians come to Earth, and, feeling superior to Earthlings, grant, say, Minnesotans a permanent sense of grievance and a permanent sense of virtue, despite evidence that both grievance and virtue are unearned and undue. Swap Martians for whites, often the offspring of wealthy industrialists, and Minnesotans for blacks.

    The left-liberal/SJW mindset has, I think, more complicated antecedents, but respectable white supremacism seems to me at first glance to lie among them. The idea needs more work than I can offer.

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  48. ““Recent theories suggest that Latinos are generally perceived in the same ways as African Americans”

    Among white collar college educated American whites, I often see this stereotype. But ask a farm hand or a landscaper or a hotel manager or a carpenter or any American that works with or competes against Chicanos and you’ll hear a different story. Mexicans are tenacious workers that put in extra effort and long hours whenever needed.

    I mentioned “working like a Mexican” to mean working hard in a mixed group of whites with some laborers and some college office worker types. It was quickly obvious they understood the phrase each to mean the opposite of what the other understood.

    By the way, the reason they’re not publishing what the minorities think is probably because they’re still shell shocked by what Asians and Latinos think about blacks. I imagine they’d need cardiac medical attention if they found out what Asians and Latinos think about Jews.

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  49. OT:
    Ramzpaul and Breitbart have both recently done reports on a very thoughtful and sincere home made video by a German girl about how the flood of migrants has hit her personally. Ramzpaul’s video is: A German Girl’s Cry For Help and Breitbart’s story is called: ‘Angela Merkel You Have Killed Germany!’ – 16 Year Old Girl’s Migrant Fears Video That Some Claim Facebook Are ‘Censoring’

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

    I don’t want to make Steve Sailer watch a 20min video before approving this post, so people should find it themselves at YouTube under the title: ” 16 y/o German girl talks about Muslim immigration, destruction of her own country (Engl. subs) “

    Live Leak is hosting it and will not censor it http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f80_1453607018 ——screw zuck and facebook

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  50. Somebody should ask Razib if there is any evidence for an Igbo-Jewish connection.

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  51. “SJWism is the last respectable refuge of white supremacism.”

    That’s all well and good, but not a single author of the study nor a single person quoted by The Atlantic is non-hispanic white.

    This is more like a presage of what may come to be when minorities get a foothold (or become entrenched?) in positions of authority.

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  52. “Study out today showing 42 of the 50 most violent cities in the world are in Latin America, based on murder rate per 100,000.”

    Only because Africans and Moslems don’t keep reliable murder statistics. Sub-saharan Africa would dominate even Honduras and El Salvador if we had data.

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  53. Igbos have been trying to escape from the Nigerians for decades. And for the same reasons you’d like to escape Nigerians.

    Look up Biafra and the Biafran War of Independence that the Igbos lost when the Nigerians found oil on Igbo land. Yup, once again oil is the resource curse that keeps on cursing.

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    The moderators here should help out by pressing a heavier boot on the anti-Semitism. The simple fact of racial IQ distributions means that no intellectual operation can get moving in the modern world that systematically excludes Jews.

    Incidentally, I reported some comments at a popular news website that uses Facebook comments for egregious anti-Semitism. Facebook says such comments are just fine with them. Offend Palestinians and your account is liable to be locked out permanently but that was fine. It’s no wonder we need ADL. And with mass migration from the most anti-Semitic populations of the world into the West, it’s going to get worse.

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  55. Thank you for putting “tropes” in quotation marks. The term has lost pretty much all meaning, except maybe to indicate an idea the writer doesn’t like.

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  56. The ACT publishes a national report each year showing how people do on that test. Up until 2013 they published separate reports for every minority group. I took these numbers and put them into a spread sheet and backed out the races to leave a white distribution.

    Anyway, I think a reasonable standard of someone being “really smart” is to have made a 30 or higher on the ACT. We could use different cutoffs, but this will suffice.

    Three-tenths of one percent of blacks score a 30 or higher on the ACT. (Roughly 1,100 in the entire country).
    1.46 percent of Hispanics score a 30 or higher.
    Eight percent of whites score a 30 or higher (this includes Jews and American Indians; the former I couldn’t back out, the latter I was too lazy to).
    Eighteen percent of Asians score a 30 or higher.

    So there are roughly 24 times more smart whites than there are smart blacks, and 60 times more smart Asians than there are smart blacks. It’s certainly amazing how those college kids will notice things!

    I noted that the ACT quit reporting detailed racial statistics in 2013. I guess they were afraid someone might read them.

    https://www.act.org/newsroom/data/2013/

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  57. It wouldn’t surprise me that Anonymous is Roy Cohn incognito.

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  58. One must also remember that in 2016 Trump is now mainstream.

    Or rather, Trump represents opinions that are now mainstream. Alt-right opinion has been building for a long time now. Every year it has been gaining strength, building exponentially. Few people notice that when you lop off the end of the hocky stick curve and zoom in, it’s another hockey stick. The growth rate of the curve is the same, but when it builds from 10% to 50% of the population, it’s a lot more noticeable than the 2 to 10% jump.

    Put it this way: If Trump had tried to run for president 4 years ago with the same campaign, would he have had the same success? Maybe, probably not. 8 years ago? Doubtful. 12 years ago? Would have been dismissed as a loon.

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  59. “In other words, the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students, refusing to report what they had to say.”

    What L.J. Zigerell said–”we designed a survey that includes equal-sized samples of white, black, Asian, and Latino freshmen entering selective colleges and universities” (quote from here). The researchers simply didn’t report on these data.”

    But I’m sure you can panhandle to fund your own additional research on how nonwhites students perceive white students. You have the clout.

    “They would never call South African blacks or Gulf Arabs racist, even though they meet their definition.”

    Then those “scientists” are frauds. Of course there are individuals who are black, Hispanic, Jooish, and Asian who are racist towards whites.

    Al Gore Rhythms–”In an era when whites are denied any way of understanding their own history, or any kind of racial/historical identity, consciousness, or sense of destiny, is it outlandish to suppose that for some liberals White Guilt offers them the only acceptable way for them to have a racial sense of belonging–albeit and entirely negative one.”

    

The only outlandish statement is the one you are making. Millions of whites today comprehend their roots. They have a distinct racial and ethnic identity and sense of purpose, as evident by this fine blog. Regarding “liberal guilt”, do not be cucked by it.

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  60. The ACT benefits from not being paid as much attention as the SAT. The ACT folks probably want to keep it that way.

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    Don’t worry, Israel is working on it:

    “Israel eyes world coalition to force social media platforms to block incitement”

    “Gilad Erdan to develop legislation that would force Facebook, YouTube, Twitter et al. to take responsibility for content; says Europe ‘very interested in idea’”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-eyes-world-coalition-to-force-social-media-platforms-to-block-incitement/

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  62. This is interesting. The Igbos of Nigeria (also known as Ibos, also known as Biafrans) have decided that they’re Jewish.

    Interesting, but not an unknown phenomenon. There are Tibeto-Burmese tribes in Eastern India who decided they one of the lost tribes of Israel and termed themselves the Bnei Menashe. Surprisingly, they have found acceptance by the Chief Rabbi of Israel and are allowed to make Aliyah.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Menashe

    http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/menasheFINAL.jpg.jpg

    Another group, the so called ‘Telegu Jews’ of South Eastern India, from the state of Andhra Pradesh, calling themselves the Bene Ephraim, have, thus far, been less successful in their bid for acceptance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Ephraim

    http://www.kulanu.org/india/images/beneephraimchildren.jpg

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  63. So, Jews are so much better than everyone that no progress is possible without them? Ten million Jews have got more creative potential than 200 million Whites or one billion Chinese? And anybody who denies this needs to be shut up? It’s no wonder you need the ADL with attitudes like that.

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  64. Do we know that?

    Middle Eastern Muslim cities like Cairo have tended to be relatively safe to walk around, except during political turmoil.

    Things change.

    Mexico, for example, was fairly low crime in the 1960s-1980s. The mirror on my dad’s rental car got busted while we were playing golf outside Veracruz in 1974. That’s about the only crime I can remember in about 30 days of wandering around Mexico over the decades with my father. My dad was convinced it wasn’t just a minor hit and run accident, that it was done intentionally by the golf club members who didn’t like outsiders at their country club. I didn’t believe him then. Now I don’t know what to think.

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  65. The article was almost ridiculously predictable. The comments were utterly dominated by the type of posters you read here. In fact, I almost didn’t believe I was reading Atlantic commenters. Would they really allow that at their site?

    They do as long as it’s not a Tennessee Coats article.

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  66. I’ve actually heard a left-wing “race realist” argument that NAMs are incorrectly looked down on as lazy when they actually (through no fault of their own) just average lower IQs.

    To be fair, lazy people are also lazy through no “fault” of their own.

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  67. When you see good internet comments in a venue you don’t expect, most likely the article was linked on Drudge or some other right-ish aggregator.

    At least two of the commenters there are posting comments in this thread right here.

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  68. So there are roughly 24 times more smart whites than there are smart blacks, and 60 times more smart Asians than there are smart blacks.

    Per capita.

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  69. We’ve always been at war with knowledge.

    We’ve always been at war with reality.

    Etc., etc.

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  70. during the 90s we had Pat Buchanan running on a similar platform as Trump. These issues Trump articulates have been popular with for a long time, they are gaining better traction now because the consequences of the neo-cons are easier to observe now than in 1992.

    Pat was television-savvy, anti-trade, anti-illegal-immigration candidate and attracted intense enthusiasm from an angry Republican grassroots, was denounced by a disgusted media, and mainstream republicans and endangered the frontrunner named Bush. Perot then picked up on the Buchanan movement and helped Clinton win the election of 1992.
    If Bush had dropped out of the election in 92 a Buchanan / Perot republican ticket could have defeated Clinton in 1992.

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  71. I had a pleasant talk with an acquaintance from Singapore a few weeks ago.

    I also had a pleasant discussion with an acquaintance from Haiti a few months ago.

    Yesterday, I was reading of some new disaster in Haiti. I found myself thinking of my Singaporean friend however, for some reason.

    Those two are so similar — and yet so different.

    Eventually the sociologists will settle it, I suppose.

    Perhaps reality is not real. It doesn’t fit their model.

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  72. Just as a rampaging idiot like George W Bush made it possible for a culturally Marxist, anti-American black man like Obama to be elected, Obama has made it possible for a nationalistic, non-pc candidate like Trump to have a chance.

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  73. In most cases yes…

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  74. Right. Any study that focuses on one group to the exclusion of other groups is, by its very nature, racist. This study proved that many Whites can see what’s in front of their eyes and near their ears. It’s not so much a flawed belief as it is recognizing a reality.

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  75. Alternatively, blacks do worse than Asians on average, not primarily because of a worse work ethic, but rather because of less intelligence, as reflected in the difference in average IQ between the groups.

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  76. OT, Steve, it looks like Denmark may be picking up on your idea to have immigrants require insurance, or at least a deposit:

    Denmark is expected to adopt a law on Tuesday requiring police to seize cash and other valuables from some asylum seekers as they enter the country. The seizures, which would go toward defraying the cost of refugee care, are being widely criticized as a violation of human rights.
    Mehran Ziai, a Kurd, …. says if he’d known about the proposed law when he came from northern Iraq five months ago, he might have gone elsewhere. “I had no choice but to come to Europe,” he says, “but maybe I wouldn’t have come to Denmark, because I see now they don’t like refugees here. Maybe I would have gone to Sweden or Norway or another country.”

    Bingo.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/01/25/464300740/denmark-wants-to-become-a-little-bit-less-attractive-to-refugees

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  77. If this sort of smear campaign affects your vote, you were probably too dumb to have any business voting for president anyway.

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  78. Must be time to double-down on PC indoctrination and re-education camps.

    Not so fast:

    https://hbr.org/2016/01/diversity-policies-dont-help-women-or-minorities-and-they-make-white-men-feel-threatened

    link via Heartiste

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  79. “Isn’t that kind of racist?”

    No. A “Racist” is a person that holds views on any subject that does not conform to today’s Liberal/Progressive/SJW orthodoxy.

    A person or organization of the proper political view cannot be racist. It is simply not possible.

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  80. Don’t mistake the sentiment of the house slave for that of the slave in the field.

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  81. Isn’t that kind of racist?

    One must understand that the SJW definition of “racism” is the wedding of prejudice and power. Those without power, i.e. the oppressed, cannot be racist, therefore it is scientifically appropriate to omit their opinions in a study designed to uncover racists – which they cannot be.

    Capisce?

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  82. This is hilarious. Like a shoplifter leaving in a huff saying “I’ll take my business elsewhere!”

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  83. There’s one big difference though: Christian ideas build amazing cultures / societies and leftist idea destroy them. Equating them is ridiculous and displays your own dogmas.

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  84. You’re mixing and matching meanings here. It isn’t that respondents say Latinos and blacks need to work harder than whites to move up, but that they need to work harder than they do to move up from where they are currently are.

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  85. They still publish scores by race and for every state. Class of 2014:

    https://www.act.org/newsroom/data/2014/pdf/profile/National2014.pdf

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  86. Trumpeter on Rush show.

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  87. Sorry,

    Completely OT.

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  88. I’m noticing that the BBC are treading gently into genetics – yesterday’s Radio 4 popular science prog “The Infinite Monkey Cage”. Brian Cox is a science prof beloved of teenage girls and BBC go-to media face.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_%28physicist%29

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybg84

    What is Race?
    The Infinite Monkey Cage, Series 13

    Brian Cox and Robin Ince are joined on stage by comedian Shappi Khorsandi, science broadcaster Adam Rutherford and evolutionary geneticist Mark Thomas. They look at the thorny issue of race, and whether there is a scientific definition for the concept of race. Do our genes reveal racial differences, and if so do they tell us anything about our evolutionary history? They also look at the results of their own personal DNA tests…so which panellist is a little bit neanderthal and which one has a genetic history firmly rooted in the North!

    Didn’t hear all of it, but I actually picked up the words “fast-twitch muscle fibre” and “West African” in the same sentence, in between the obligatory ‘racists are sad/frightened/ignorant people’ stuff.

    Can you lot get at the mp3 download from the US ?

    Also, ultra-feminist prog Woman Sour

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06yclg4

    “The language of genetics is one that has filtered into public consciousness. But do we really understand how our genes influence things like our eye colour? Science writer Kat Arney talks about her new book, Herding Hemingway’s Cats, which sets out to explain how our genes work.”

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  89. Luke Lea: “Can anyone envisage what a politically incorrect yet liberal future might look like?”

    Rawlsian arguments: African Americans didn’t choose to be born with lower median IQs, and they are still our fellow citizens, so they deserve our support and help. A recognition of IQ differences would support segregation by IQ in schools (it wouldn’t be strict segregation by race, since an African American with an IQ of, say, 90, would attend the same schools as a white American with an IQ of 90). Low IQ schools would be focused on basics – the three R’s – using simple rote learning methods, followed by vocational training with a pipeline to skilled trade jobs. This would be combined with a revival of the union movement to support higher wages for blue-collar Americans, as well as a reduction in immigration and targeted increases in tariffs and trade barriers to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. (much as Reagan did with the Japanese car industry in the 1980s to convince them to open American factories).

    Meanwhile, we would embark upon a massive, Manhattan-Project-scale campaign to find a method of increasing genetic IQ. This could conceivably be done in a decade or two with enough resources, though you’d still have lower-IQ older people around for a while even afterward. We would also do everything possible to remove any environmental hazards that can lower IQ, such as lead-contaminated soil.

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  90. This was my problem with the new Star Wars- that every casting choice was so clearly laden with 2015-era political significance. The whole point of sci-fi and fantasy is escapism from our current cultural milieu, but in spite of some good scenes, the movie kept telling me the galaxy far far away was engaged in a titanic battle of Hillary’s Democratic Party versus the Space Nazis.

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  91. Egipt pyramids are beautiful non-geological natural structures made by humans, period.

    Thousand of slaves were killed to to do it AND to nurture the personality cult of pharaohs.

    Analogy with ” intelligent design”.

    Nature is perfect…

    …but the mechanisms that made it perfect are very imperfect.

    Error and try, error and try, are very imperfect mechanism to produce “perfection’.

    Other analogy, “Olympiads”.

    Beautiful in its surface/appearance.

    And specially in third world countries like Russia or Brazil, great sport events are perfect in their superficial result, the appearance of perfect and “modern’ country.

    Europe have the most beautiful non natural landscape made by humans of course, but this brightness of the past was created to nurture the idiocy of christianism history and symbolize the vampiric and dumb “elites”,religious/cultural and/or economic, huge and pernicious impact.

    Left is just throw out the Christian/bourgeois hypocrisy, left is the real christianism, that inexorably will evolve to Taoism or Buddhism. Nietzsche IS right.

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  92. It’s a bit strange to have a comedian taking part in that scientific discussion. For a moment I thought there was a second one there – maybe they’re hoping listeners will think geneticist Mark Thomas is the comedian of the same name.

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  93. In other words, the researchers discriminated against nonwhite students, refusing to report what they had to say.

    Isn’t that kind of racist?

    It’s much worse than you think, Steve. The heavily white ranks of sociology and academia have been doing this for years. They usually don’t even have to bother to refuse to report what non-whites have to say, because they don’t even ask them what they think in the first place. I’ve been seeing and peeking in on these studies and reports and surveys about bias for over ten years, and I can’t even recall one that bothered to include the opinions of non-whites. People of Color are simply invisible to these academics, they might as well not exist.

    This is systemic racism and white privilege built into the system that nobody talks about, not even the most liberal of liberals. Even the liberals with the most exquisitely tuned senses of justice ignore this issue. And it’s been going on for half a century. It’s one of the most egregiously racist practices in America, and it needs to stop. This kind of official, gov’t-sponsored and -approved racism and oppression of People of Color is just inexcusable in the 21st century.

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  94. Shappi’s comedy schtick is to be the Nice Middle Eastern Lady Who Won’t Blow You Up. And when I said it was a popular science show, the BBC think you have to have jokes or no one will listen. BBC TV coverage of science usually features this guy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_%C3%93_Briain

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  95. For labor in its traditional meaning, of course you hire Mexicans/Central Americans.

    They work harder, not smarter. See Gary Sheffield’s trenchant commentary.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2891875

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  96. You mean the Jews? I don’t think it’s forbidden, but of course not all threads ought to be about Jews, especially since they are obviously a necessary but far from sufficient condition. So I guess occasionally it’s going to be moderated or be kept in moderation for longer than usual.

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  97. The anti-semitism–at least in comments on Sailer’s blog (which is all I regularly read on Unz)–is annoying but no more than a minor distraction. I’d much rather err on the side of free debate, not being afraid to tolerate error as long as truth is left free to combat it.

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  98. But I’m sure you can panhandle to fund your own additional research on how nonwhites students perceive white students.

    Or how nonwhite students perceive other nonwhite students (whether Asian or NAM). It would be interesting, for example, to find out whether blacks are more or less inclined than whites to accept stereotypes about Asians and blacks.

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  99. “Can anyone envisage what a politically incorrect yet liberal future might look like?”

    According to many liberals, it would look like Rwanda. That is the conclusion that many liberals jump to: equality or genocide – there is no middle ground. What does that tell you about them?

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  100. Just as blacks never “stereotype” they also never “lynch”.

    If three or more white people kill someone (preferably a minority) because of some personal offense it is a “lynching” by the over 100 year old NAACP definition.

    If three or more blacks kill similarly kill someone for giving personal offense, it is never called a “lynching”.

    It is here in SC. In fact, I remember reading some years back that almost all convictions for lynching here are against black offenders.

    I’ve had exactly the same thought: that when looking at the spectrum of ideologies, modern liberalism belongs as a sub-set of white racial supremacism.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/journolist-unclear-on-concept/#comment-243088

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/mark-steyn-on-magic-johnson-connection/#comment-546908

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/no-country-for-old-satirists/#comment-223803

    http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amajorityrights.com+%22liberal+white+supremacy%22

    In an era when whites are denied any way of understanding their own history, or any kind of racial/historical identity, consciousness, or sense of destiny, is it outlandish to suppose that for some liberals White Guilt offers them the only acceptable way for them to have a racial sense of belonging–albeit and entirely negative one? One in which the Master Race willingly dissolves itself–imagine Angela Merkel as Arnie at the end of Terminator 2, lowering herself into the molten metal–for the sake of creating an Equality of Untermensch at some future date?

    I’ve been making an argument like this forever too, but not as neatly packaged as “liberal white supremacy,” so it was harder to run down with a web search. Basically, yes, whites have a fairly strong tribal identity – it’s just a pathological one. I find it most easily evidenced by how whites know perfectly well not to hold non-whites to the standards they hold whites to. E.g., whites do not go on the offensive against non-whites for racism, only whites. The subtext being, “anti-racism” is a white tribal value, a white standard, and non-whites aren’t really expected to live up to it.

    Owen
    says:

    January 26, 2016 at 2:59 am GMT • 100 Words

    Tone it down a bit, your yarmulke’s showing.

    Perot then picked up on the Buchanan movement and helped Clinton win the election of 1992.

    Is this official? I hear it a lot but I read recently that Perot stole votes from each part in almost equal numbers.

    Just as a rampaging idiot like George W Bush made it possible for a culturally Marxist, anti-American black man like Obama to be elected, Obama has made it possible for a nationalistic, non-pc candidate like Trump to have a chance.

    You don’t give Hussein enough credit. He also did more to put an end the whole “qualifications” thing than any other president in decades.

    Denmark is expected to adopt a law on Tuesday requiring police to seize cash and other valuables from some asylum seekers as they enter the country. The seizures, which would go toward defraying the cost of refugee care, are being widely criticized as a violation of human rights.

    “Human rights” = euphemism for “give me your stuff.” It’s like a law of politics; leftism will eventually make anything good into something bad.

    This is hilarious. Like a shoplifter leaving in a huff saying “I’ll take my business elsewhere!”

    Haha:

    Courtesy of Anon7

    A schnorrer came as usual to the home of a wealthy man, expecting his usual generous charity. The wealthy man said “I’ve had some business setbacks – I can only give you a quarter.”
    The schnorrer said “Why should I suffer because of your misfortune?”

    A schnorrer came to the back door on his biweekly rounds.
    “I haven’t a penny today,” apologized the lady of the house. “Come back tomorrow.”
    “Tomorrow?” frowned the schnorrer. “Lady, don’t let it happen again. I’ve lost a fortune, extending credit.”

    A schnorrer knocked on the door of the rich man’s house at 6:30 in the morning.
    The rich man cried “How dare you wake me up so early?”
    “Listen,” said the schnorrer, “I don’t tell you how to run your business. Don’t tell me how to run mine.”

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  101. Only because Africans and Moslems don’t keep reliable murder statistics. Sub-saharan Africa would dominate even Honduras and El Salvador if we had data.

    Why do you think Latin American countries, with notoriously non-functional criminal justice systems and corrupt governments, would have better crime stats than Middle Eastern or African countries?

    Given what we know about Latin American countries, it’s just as likely their numbers are low.

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  102. “Racist” is losing its sting, isn’t it?

    By definition, since I only considered Caucasian girls when dating and courting, I must be racist. Good enough for me.

    When someone calls me a name that I openly embrace, they’ve lost their little magic power (of incantations), haven’t they?

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  103. “The study was published in Social Psychology Quarterly and focused on the opinions of white students because…………”

    ………….the researchers find blacks to be scary, and lations and asians to be boring.

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  104. “Just as a rampaging idiot like George W Bush made it possible for a culturally Marxist, anti-American black man like Obama to be elected, Obama has made it possible for a nationalistic, non-pc candidate like Trump to have a chance.”

    It’s surprising how few people in the alt right-o-sphere seem to grasp this. Even if they do comprehend the pendulum it doesn’t seem to dissuade them from electoral revenge fantasies that will finally settle the score.

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  105. Mexico’s recent murder wave is an initiative of the Presidente Felipe Calderón (2006-2012) administration. After years of cooperation with the drug cartels, Calderón — a recovering alcoholic — decided that the Gringo drug war had to be fought in earnest.

    Since Gringos spend more on drugs than the entire Mexican military and police budgets by several times, the government forces were heavily outgunned. About half the Gringo drug money eventually makes its way south of the border to pay for smuggling the drugs north and the Gringos are willing to pay whatever it takes to keep the drugs flowing so cartel funds are effectively unlimited. Of course, much of the price of the impossible dream to stopping cartels is paid in blood.

    Before Calderón, the anti-drug forces simply took cash from the cartels and distributed it among themselves under the table. Then the cartels set up friendly busts from time to time where the police would put on a big show for the occupying Gringo advisors pretending to collaborate with them by seizure of guns and powders and cash. It was peaceful and safe. Stupid Gringo bureaucrats didn’t know any better.

    But Mexico is still safe to walk around in, except for a few northern cities. It would be astonishing if a 30-day visit resulted in any kind of contact with crime at all. Just stay out of places like Ciudad Juárez.

    So I don’t know how dangerous many Arab cities are, but I expect a lot of them are dangerous. We simply don’t know much about places like Yemen or Gaza or ISIS. The Sub-Saharan and Afghan Moslem cities seem very violent from stories, but that isn’t data. I expect Sudan, Afghanistan, and the like might dominate a list of really murderous places with enough documentation.

    Central America has always been both extremely violent — since Maya times — and good at orderly record keeping. That’s why the numbers there are so extreme. Unlike Mexico, the Mayans were never conquered by a European power and pacified. The Maya’s Guerra De Las Castas was bloody and horrible into the twentieth century and was resolved only by accepting democratic Maya majority rule. Then the Communists brought mass bloodshed again driven by Maya identity disguised as class conflict.

    I don’t know what goes on at contry clubs, but they seem pretty genteel from the outside. Minor car crashes are many, many times more common than crime in Mexico. And like in the USA, car crashes kill a lot more people than murder.

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  106. Latin corruption doesn’t prevent keeping accurate books. There is a fanatic paper shuffling bureaucratic aspect to the Latin soul just as there is fiery passion and artistic imagination. Even crime organizations in Italian and Mexican culture are often found to keep careful books of account. The hospitals and police stations and priests are all going to demand and return fancy documentation that you will need extra copies of just to get your loved ones buried. There will be special seals and ribbons those documents need sometimes.

    So I expect murder stats, at least, are pretty good.

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  107. if Leftists embraced HBD they would try and impose rules to encourage inter-racial mating. IQ is just one aspect of HBD and genetic engineering will first be available to the wealthy and too costly for use among the masses.

    Leftists who embrace HBD would actively promote inter-racial mating. Just as the Left today fights against income inequality via taxes and quotas , they would use the same tools to wage battle against genetic inequality…..the government would subsidies a sperm donor program, so black females could get free sperm from East Asian donors….white and Asian females who have mulatto offspring would be given tax incentives , stipends , grants etc…to encourage miscegenation.
    Most schools are already segregated, to encourage racial mixing leftists would work even harder to desegregate our schools, to encourage inter-racial mating. Schools which are less than 10% black would lose all government funding and no public school would exceed 20% black.

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  108. The Latin American soul, being full of “fanatic paper shuffling bureaucratic aspect,” explains why 85% of the World’s most violent cities are in Latin America?

    And this “aspect” is completely missing in Africa and the Middle East?

    I know you don’t believe that, now, Owen …. do you?

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  109. “fanatic paper shuffling bureaucratic aspect”

    I can see that.

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  110. Sub-saharan Africa would dominate even Honduras and El Salvador if we had data.

    Not necessarily. Africans know how to keep other Africans in line. It’s in the freedom– legal and social– of white societies where they go ape mad.

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  111. if Leftists embraced HBD they would try and impose rules to encourage inter-racial mating. IQ is just one aspect of HBD and genetic engineering will first be available to the wealthy and too costly for use among the masses.

    First, most regular people, even die hard leftists have long believed that genetics are relevant in intelligence and other human traits. They avoid discussing it, because it’s kind of a depressing reality (hence the term “red pill”), it’s potentially very offensive, and the practical options it leads to are unhappy and undesirable.

    Political leaders like Obama and Mandela have openly disputed HBD, but I bet they privately believe it, it just conflicts with their policy goals. But regular leftists widely believe it. Of course nurture and culture are important too as this crowd would agree.

    Genetic engineering will probably start off expensive and problematic and applicable only in serious disease situations, and gradually get better and cheaper. That’s how almost everything works. Gene sequencing used to be ultra expensive and only available to insiders and millionaires. Today, anyone can get cheap, good basic gene sequencing. Lasik (to pick a random example) used to be far more expensive and risky, now it’s much better, safer, and cheaper.

    Money also won’t be a barrier. Many major philanthropists are deeply bothered to see many US public school disasters and have thrown mountains of money at that problem. If genetic engineering could fix it in ways that public schools can’t, simple money will not be the barrier.

    If there was a simple gene treatment to make students more academic-like, leftists would absolutely embrace that.

    Leftists bend over backwards to make the poor masses do what they want them to do. They tried paying children to do better in school and control their behavior, now leftists are paying parents to exert more control over family behaviors. If there are gene treatments to control behavior, leftists will be first in line to exploit that.

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  112. “Africans know how to keep other Africans in line.”

    Maybe. Too bad about Detroit, though.

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  113. The article was almost ridiculously predictable. The comments were utterly dominated by the type of posters you read here. In fact, I almost didn’t believe I was reading Atlantic commenters. Would they really allow that at their site?

    The comment sections at major sites like Atlantic, Washington Post and even NYT are starting to sound more like the Steve Sailer crowd. This winds are changing.

    However, while the comment sections have changed, the feature article content has not. I presume this is because the people who control that content been more heavily indoctrinated in politically correct ideology and are more fearful of breaking the mold.

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  114. Indeed, blacks most likely outdo whites at the same IQ level when it comes to effort. Which is why kids of rich blacks score lower on SAT than poor whites and why whites with worse family educational background do better on NAEP.

    Blacks are pretty hard working, it’s whites that are lazy bums. You just gotta control for IQ!!

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  115. The mainstream SJW crowd could accept that certain groups have average lower IQs — and that would make it a lot easier to rationalize redistributive policies. It is a fun thought experiment to think about what our politics would be like if, one day, we had a massive race-based welfare state that was expressly justified on these grounds. It would put a lot of the commentators here out of business perhaps; the main arguments left against it would be from a libertarian perspective.

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  116. Lol.

    “Christian ideas build amazing cultures / societies and leftist idea destroy them.”

    This isn’t a dogmatic claim?

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  117. If race is a myth, how come races exist?

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  118. The researchers doubtless assume that whites beliefs about non whites explain white success, which is not so unlikely, because evolution would be expected to select for advantageous behaviour, not true beliefs.

    Maybe nonwhites beliefs about other groups are all perfectly true, being neither disadvantageous or advantageous , and that is why the researchers ignored what they had to say.

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  119. I guess my cynicism wasn’t obvious.

    Next question–diversity policies that don’t work: Bug or feature?

    It’s all about control.

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  120. Meanwhile, we would embark on a massive, Manhattan-project-scale campaign to find a method of increasing genetic I.Q.

    A suitable name for the campaign would be the Hail Mary Project.

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  121. First, white and Asian students must be indoctrinated that stereotypes have no basis in facts, and what better place to do that then college. Secondly, all professors should teach while in blackface so that students slowly come to believe that the smartest, wisest people on campus are blacks. There, problem solved.

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  122. Amazing they write this tripe at all considering their severe cognitive dissonance. I.e:

    “The stereotype presumes that this achievement is a result of inherent intelligence and/or competence, when in reality it is due to selective migration of the very smart individuals and families from various countries in Asia.”

    How does “inherent intelligence” contradict “selective migration of the very smart individuals and families.” So the Asians are inherently intelligent, but only the Asians we see here?

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  123. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/30/arts/why-are-black-students-lagging.html?pagewanted=1

    This was how the NYTimes saw it 13 years ago.

    Other articles written about the Shaker Heights study mentioned the lowest grade a student could get on his report card and not get the parents flipping out;

    Asians A-
    White B-
    Hispanic C-
    Black D-

    SJW’s would have had their heads exploding if they had been as vocal/active as today….But the MSM did a superior job of editing out the grade matrix. So they didn’t know about it.

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  124. I saw a documentary on the Spanish Armada some years ago. Apparently chests full of written orders, reports, cargo manifests, expense accounts, and anything else needed to organize a fleet for invasion had been discovered in a Spanish castle, providing modern historians with answers to many questions. The Spanish bureaucracy was nothing if not thorough.

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  125. Assuming this study was conducted after the idiotic “Black Autumn,” I wonder how the results would have looked before those “ructions”? Part of me thinks BLM finally jumped the shark and alienated otherwise goodthinking whites with their massive collective ego trip.

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  126. “white kids/((white kids)) ”

    Now that I am no longer aware of all internet traditions, would someone mind explaining to me what it means to enclose words or phrases in vast numbers of nested parentheses?

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  127. Wow, just wow.

    Homophobia is a mental illness. Homosexuality isn’t.

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  128. Dunno. What will your boss think of you being an out and proud racist?

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  129. This doesn’t seem like a Karl Rove “John McCain’s Illegitimate Black Baby” style smear.

    The allegations are verifiable – was Rubio arrested at a gay cruising spot with a guy who went on to run a gay porn site called CocoDorm?

    A quick Google suggests the answer is yes.

    And Rubio is groomed to within an inch of his life.

    If he’s smart he’ll fess up, shed a few tears, say how Jesus cured him of the gay. Chicks really go for that kind of thing. They’ll lap it up.

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  130. Yeah, it’s kinda cool how Heckman can get away with saying that blacks are not only stupid but lazy, too. But lazy can be fixed, you see! Because there were these 67 black kids in Ypsilanti back in the sixties . . .

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  131. For those wondering about hispanic and black attitudes towards each other, Steve had a post on that a few years ago.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/04/whatever-happens-its-white-mans-fault.html

    and

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/03/31/opinion/sunday/racial-identity.html?ref=sunday

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  132. Not surprising at all.

    The two large empires of pre-Colombian central and South America seemed enamored with bureaucracy.

    The inca quipu took count of how many llamas, men, houses etc there were in a village.

    The Aztec legal system had appeals courts all the way up to the emporer. They had a separate court system where merchants policed themselves. They were all very legalistic in a very Chinese sense.

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  133. “Try to talk with Christian or other very religious people. They will repeat ad exhaustum the dogmas they learn. Exactly the same happen with zombie regressive left.”

    But not engineers or physicists or gnu atheists or catastrophic anthropogenic global warming believers or HBD aficionados or Skeptic subscribers. From them you just get the unvarnished truth that they have independently discovered though their own due diligence and general personal excellence. The fact that they’ve discovered the exact same truth as their co-tribesmen and that they get this strange thrill from sitting around in Dick the Dolt’s comment section saying these truths back and forth among their tribesmen is just because, um, wait for it, . . . because it’s the same truth and telling the truth is pleasurable!! And the jolly they get out of constructing in-group / out-group boundaries by contrasting their keen appreciation of the truth with the benighted darkness in which the out-group lives is, again, just out of the joy of appreciating the objective structure of reality.

    Christians saying the Creed, though, those guys are witch doctors casting spells.

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  134. Liberals: the real racists

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  135. “The researchers didn’t think that what non-whites think would be of any importance and so didn’t even bother to interview them. They automatically bypassed them as though they were invisible.”

    I think what’s actually going on here, is that Asians, Mexicans, and Blacks perceive each other’s groups in much the same way Whites do. So collecting that data would have interfered with the Whitey-is-Uniquely-Evil narrative they’re trying to foster. Everyone accepts the same set of racial stereotypes, because they’re all basically true.

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  136. Agree. HBD-type thinking gains a mess of mainstream credibility, and starts to inform policy and legislative proposals. Then it smashes headlong into the iron curtain of SJW thinking, human inertia, and the anxiety that change in the Zeitgeist means rioting in the streets. So bright white guys will continue to pay the “SJW tax” in the form of truncated career opportunities, etc.

    If they’re daft enough to ask why, they’ll be told that racial (and sexual) injustice visited upon them has been formally defined not to exist, or that racial (and sexual) injustice against white males is the new justice.

    We’ll be paying off academically unmotivated black folks with substantively worthless college degrees, and young women with faux career jobs long after I’m food for worms.

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  137. Spanish bureaucracy was glacially slow in getting anything done, apparently. There was a saying in the Spanish Netherlands (or perhaps in Spanish-ruled Italy): “If death came from Spain, we’d all be immortal”.

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  138. I guess my cynicism wasn’t obvious.

    No, it was, it just may become unwarranted at some point.

    Or may not. We’ll see, as long as we continue to look.

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  139. Christians saying the Creed, though, those guys are witch doctors casting spells.

    Well, it’s still dogma. The fallacy being that dogma (Latin for “teaching”) is always bad. Depends on the teacher and the teaching.

    “I’m indebted to my father for living, but to my teacher for living well.”

    - Alexander the Great

    Is it any surprise that a generation that fell for the fallacy that dogma is malum in se produced a generation as ignorant as the Millenials?

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  140. The Aztecs launched themselves into Mexico City in 1325 from Aztlán, Arizona filled with bloodthirsty vim and can-do desert country spirit. They swept away the stifling bureaucracy of the Tlaxcala and Xochimilco and Zapotecs. The highlands were filled with wealth, new ideas, and shining cities. Aztecs put their new capital of Tenochititlan on an artificial island in Lake Texcoco and built the world’s greatest trading market on another artificial island in Tlatelolco. Provinces for hundreds of miles around were sending tribute. The Aztecs borrowed the rudiments of written language from the old traders and invented America’s most prolific literate elite. The first of the world historical billion-dollar hydrologic projects that keep Mexico City from running out of fresh water or even sinking back under the waves today was started by Poet-King Nezahualcóyotl right after the flooding of 1460.

    So eventually, yes, there was a lot of bureaucracy. It couldn’t all be swept away. But the Aztecs were actually a force for innovation and renewal and initiative and freedom until the world changed in 1519.

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  141. “I hear it a lot but I read recently that Perot stole votes from each part in almost equal numbers.”

    Yeah, that’s the official narrative from our “friends” in the dominant press. The facts are that Bush got 53 percent of the vote in 1988 (against Dukakis), and 37 percent in 1992 ie., a 16 point decrease. Perot got 19 percent of the vote in 1992. Dukakis lost with 46 percent, and Clinton won with 43.

    I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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  142. The double brackets around names and other words signifies “Jewish”; eg. Jon ((Stewart)). It comes from a podcast that adds an echo effect to any Jewish names mentioned on the show. Now you know as much as I do.

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  143. Dogma is a abstract word. Almost of abstract words are amoral or senseless on its roots. Every abstract words must need a context to have sense or aesthetic conscience, look the quality/ beauty/structure of the nuances that create the reality.

    Dogma is in their precise concept the internalization of short and equivocal/wrong sentences that supposed and pedantically explain summarily a complexity of overlapped phenomena.

    Christianity as happen with virtually all religions or cult included Satanism, need and use many pieces of objective/essential morality mixed with very obvious fatal contradictions.

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  144. So eventually, yes, there was a lot of bureaucracy. It couldn’t all be swept away. But the Aztecs were actually a force for innovation and renewal and initiative and freedom until the world changed in 1519.

    You forgot to say that they were vibrant….

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  145. Is it possible to simply raise white IQ to Ashkenazi Jewish levels though genetic engineering?

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  146. My guess is that they mean exactly what you suggest. The Orientals that come here are a fairly sharp bunch, but they’re not drawn randomly from their homelands.

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  147. “Homophobia” as the word is used commonly means simply “not-on-board-with-the-homo-agenda” or “still-believes-what-every-liberal-did-rwenty-years-ago”. Calling a healthy and normal attitude an illness does not make it so, but it does mark the name-caller as emotionally unsound.

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  148. Are you going to run and tell on him, Bill?

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  149. Calderón stepped up the War on Drugs because he was bright enough to see where things were going in Mexico in 2006.

    By 2006, Mexican narcos had gone well beyond simply bribing corrupt public officials to operate. They were taking complete control over large swaths of Mexican territory. Whole states and regions. Tamaulipas and Coahuila in the north and Michoacán and Guerrero in the south are a few examples.

    It’s kinda hard to argue Mexico is ready for the “Mexican Moment” to step onto the world economic stage, when large parts of the national territory are controlled by “non-governmental forces.” It was a matter of national sovereignty, really, like the FARC in Colombia.

    Around this same time, Mexican narcos began changing their business model. Rather than just relying on income from narco sales to the US, they began expanding into a whole host of other illegal activity affecting more directly the average Mexican citizen – such as kidnapping, extortion, armed robbery, gas pipeline theft (with ensuing explosions wiping out neighborhoods), human trafficking … it really gets pretty ugly if I go on.

    Now, Mexican narcos don’t bribe local and state officials to get a free pass. They demand a percent of the local or state government’s budget, usually 10 %. Officials who don’t go along are wiped out. Narco murders of local and state politicians are now quite common. About 1 a month in the last 10 years. But that may be low.

    The old model where narcos exist only to feed drug consumption north of the border is also changing, as more Mexican families worry about increased consumption on the Mexican side.

    Cartel violence is expanding into other fields and throughout the country. That any observer would continue to point to the “northern border,” as the extent and limit of the violence, only reveals they aren’t keeping up with a rapidly changing security situation in Mexico.

    Peña Nieto insisted things would be different with him at the helm, but narco violence has not decreased and, as stated above, the violence more and more affects the average citizen.

    Many reporters covering Mexico for even the mainstream media are aware of these changes and are reporting frequently from the ground here. Of course, there are more gritty reports that paint an even bleaker picture.

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  150. You forgot to say that they were vibrant….

    So vibrant.

    When the gods demanded it, the Aztecs would take captives from the vassal towns and carry them up to the top of the great temple. That day, it would be whitewashed with lime into the brightest purest white. In the full sun of the tropical evening, an obsidian knife a foot long would be wielded by the high priests. One would plunge the knife down into the captive’s lung and cut open his chest in one stroke. His still-beating heart would be gripped and pulled out of his chest, blood pouring down the temple stairs. The heart would be passed along for ceremonial eating: man corn they called it. The ritual would repeat with crimson blood rolling down the white stairs, a dozen stories tall, until the streets ran with blood.

    So so vibrant.

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  151. What station? I’d like to listen if they stream on the internet.

    Filipinos aren’t getting hired because of affirmative action. It is practically a national secret that in the last 25 years Filipinos have completely closed the academic achievement gap between themselves and whites. Filipinos are hired because they test better than Hispanics and probably have a better resume overall. If Filipinos wanted to steal Hispanic affirmative action slots, they would be snagging seats at Harvard.

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  152. Is it possible to simply raise white IQ to Ashkenazi Jewish levels though genetic engineering?

    It was done through selective breeding, not CRISPR.

    How do you suggest persuading shiksa girls to keep marrying the nebbishy high-IQ goys? White IQ is what it is because the girls prefer marrying men that aren’t any smarter than they already are. Above average IQ is a big minus in the mating market for white men.

    For a white girl, a somewhat above average IQ makes her more attractive but also makes her less eager to reproduce herself.

    That’s not a formula for sustainable IQ increases.

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  153. The mainstream SJW crowd could accept that certain groups have average lower IQs — and that would make it a lot easier to rationalize redistributive policies.

    How so?

    It would put a lot of the commentators here out of business perhaps; the main arguments left against it would be from a libertarian perspective.

    I don’t see how it would take away any arguments against it. What arguments would it eliminate, and how?

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  154. Researchers set out to determine whether stereotypes of these minority groups are commonly believed and found their suspicions confirmed.

    a) that’s not how you science and b) I hope its true, because it means white students are smarter than I thought.

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  155. obvious fatal contradictions

    Fatal indeed.

    “When Jesus tells us about his Father, we distrust him. When he shows us his Home, we turn away, but when he confides to us that he is ‘acquainted with Grief’, we listen, for that also is an Acquaintance of our own.”

    - E. Dickinson

    Alas for your theory, the tomb lies empty.

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  156. If I am Chinese, why would I be even interested in lifting the IQ of Africans to the Chinese level, why would I want more competition when I am king of the hill now? Why would I want to neutralize the one advantage that I have over those blacks? Are you dumb?

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  157. It would be interesting, for example, to find out whether blacks are more or less inclined than whites to accept stereotypes about Asians and blacks.

    While donating (alright, selling) plasma in the late ’80s, I and everyone else in the room were watching Gung Ho on video. The technician in our section was black and female. Eventually it got to the scene where the Japanese auto execs were standing bare-chested in the chilly river for corporate inspiration.

    Technician: So that’s how dem Chinese stay so skinny!

    Everyone else in the room: They’re Japanese!

    Technician: Whatever. Dey all ying-yangs!

    We were letting this woman put needles in our arms.

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  158. Well, we know what “NOTA” doesn’t stand for. “Not in the arse.”

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  159. Since 60%of the wealth of the Phillipines is owned by the 2% Chinese minority (according to Amy Chua of the WSJ), there’s not much opportunity for bright Fillipinos at home. They train for American civil service tests like they were the SATs. We definitely get the better sort of Fillipinos. And of course, the internet brides are smart and pretty.

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  160. So vibrant.

    I’ll try to respond to your comments on the Aztecs or, more properly put, the Mexicas, but it’s becoming increasingly difficult to tell if you’re joking or trolling with some of your comments.

    The Mexica represented the nadir of Mesoamerican civilization. They and their conquered neighbors were well aware that greater men, who had created a much more advanced and refined culture, had ruled central Mexico 1,ooo years earlier.

    This made the Mexica very insecure and apprehensive, always looking to the skies for some sign that their time was up. They were not a very confident people, hence all the blood running down the streets in an attempt to appease the gods.

    They ruled their conquered neighbors with brute force, providing no examples in their governance as to why they should be the rulers and not the ruled.

    This is why they fell so easily to the Spanish and their indigena allies in 1521, after less than three months of armed conflict.

    And we’re only five and a half years away from the 500 year anniversary of the fall of Tenochtitlán – August 13, 2021! I can’t wait.

    Endnote: Nezahualcóyotl, the ruler of Texcoco and an important ally of the Mexica in Tenochtitlán, was a poet/philosopher/prince, who some say was moving toward something like monotheism. But his teachings and thought had little or no influence on the wider militaristic/priestly ruling class leading the civilization to its doom.

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  161. Of course, if Angie the Bloat were Arnie the Bot, she’d lower Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong into the molten metal, thereby ensuring the future enslavement of the human race she’d been sent back to protect.

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  162. Ha Ha good one but it’s spelled “Jarry Park” . Rusty Staub once hit a home run into the swimming pool on the other side of the right field stands.

    White kids who do well academically are always “privileged”. Their success is never due to smarts and hard work.

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  163. The only power SJW beliefs has is the acceptance of a lot of people with some power–when that changes, mass SJW protests or. Twitter storms will get about the same respect and attention as mass vegan protests or twitterstorms .

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