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From AP via the Miami Herald:

Racial dispute at beloved bakery roils liberal college town
BY DAKE KANG
Associated Press

OBERLIN, OHIO
Students at Oberlin College have long enjoyed pastries, bagels and chocolates from Gibson’s Bakery, a century-old, family-owned business near campus. That sweet relationship has turned bitter amid hotly disputed accusations of racism, roiling a school and town long known for their liberal politics.

The dispute, which began in November 2016 with the arrest of three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine from Gibson’s, is now a lawsuit in which the exasperated bakery owners accuse the college and a top dean of slandering Gibson’s as a “racist establishment” and taking steps to destroy the family’s livelihood. …

The three students were arrested after punching and kicking the white shopkeeper. The 18- and 19-year-old students said that they were racially profiled and that their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification; the shopkeeper, Allyn Gibson, said the students attacked him after he caught them trying to steal bottles of wine.

The day after the arrests, hundreds of students protested outside the bakery. Members of Oberlin’s student senate published a resolution saying Gibson’s had “a history of racial profiling and discriminatory treatment.” …

On Nov. 7, the Gibsons sued Oberlin and Meredith Raimondo, vice president and dean of students, for slander, accusing faculty members of encouraging demonstrations against the bakery by suspending classes, distributing flyers, and supplying protesters with free food and drink.

It says Raimondo took part in the demonstration against Gibson’s with a bullhorn and distributed a flyer that said the bakery is a “RACIST establishment with a LONG ACCOUNT of RACIAL PROFILING and DISCRIMINATION.”

And, yes, Oberlin grad Lena Dunham is quoted in the article.

 
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  1. Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.

    Excellent use of the word ‘but’ there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I think just calling a pastry "Danish" constitutes a kind of microaggresssion.

    three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine
     
    No malt liquor for this crew. Oberlin students they are. Made it they have! High-fallutin' shop-liftin'!
    , @NickG

    Excellent use of the word ‘but’ there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.
     
    That's a good old fashioned tell.
    , @Jim Christian

    Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.
     
    Say what you want, pastries taste better with a heaping helping of the loving racism that pisses off anyone associated with a college, anywhere. Dilly! Dilly!
    , @Dot Not Feather
    AHA! Pain au chocalat eh? So they blatantly admit inflicting pain on chocolate bodies.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Excellent use of the word ‘but’ there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.
     
    Hitler like pastry, so there you go. Pastry is inherently racist. Some braided pastries even look like nooses.

    The whiteness...................the unspeakable whiteness of it all!
    , @Anonymous
    We have always been at war with Eastasia.
    , @Roderick Spode
    I heard that their black-and-white cookies have a slightly smaller black side. With a line of red frosting in the middle.
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  2. dr kill says:

    Bless all their black hearts, each and every one of them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntcUTQeZW_0

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  3. rogue-one says:

    I guess this is a good development. Once the craziness of Social Justice Jihadis starts spreading into the world and disturbs the tranquility of comfy normies, it may help in creating a sufficiently strong backlash to the SJWs.

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  4. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Editors write the headlines.

    Here is an alternative headline for the same AP Story:

    Liberal College Tried to Destroy Family Bakery over Arrest of Three Black Students, Lawsuit Says

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  5. We can at least hope, can’t we, that Oberlin comes out of this bankrupted rather than the baker?

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    That would be great, but with a $770 million endowment, not very likely. I would hope A best case scenario would be open hostility between the student body and the community to the point the school felt it needed to make major changes in order to improve community relations. If Oberlin wins the case and the baker ends up closing, the community should rally against the school, but who knows what would happen in a place this far gone.
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  6. HipCat221 says:

    Anybody notice the brilliant quote from one of the Oberlin students? “Racism can’t always be proven on an Excel sheet.” I wasn’t aware of any case of racism ever being proven on an excel spreadsheet, have you? The young man (I’m assuming the student is a man, but his name, Kameron Dunbar, is one of those gender non-specific first names. And note it’s spelled with a “K” instead of the ordinary “C”) is “vice-chair of the student senate.”

    It occurred to me that at a liberal arts college the student might never have even used excel before and thinks it’s some kind of data-mining program or something. Oh, the police arrived on the scene and saw a man laying on the ground, the Gibson’s employee, being kicked and pummeled by three individuals, two women and a man.

    In 1999 Gibson’s was robbed by an armed man, for the first time since, “I’m talking about before there were cars,” said the owner. . . .The suspect? –”. . . a black male described as having a thin to medium build and being between the ages of 30 and 40. . . ” Who’d have guessed? http://www2.oberlin.edu/stupub/ocreview/archives/1999.10.01/news/gibson.html

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Where I'm from the beating of the employee would have uplifted the charges from shoplifting to robbery.... probably aggravated robbery.

    I'll give it to the rednecks.....they don't fuck around....
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  7. @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    I think just calling a pastry “Danish” constitutes a kind of microaggresssion.

    three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine

    No malt liquor for this crew. Oberlin students they are. Made it they have! High-fallutin’ shop-liftin’!

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    They didn't say whether it was MD 20/20 or not.
    , @MBlanc46
    They are what they are, they do what they do. Rapist footballers, sunglass-stealing basketballers, Oberlin undergrads.
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  8. duncsbaby says:

    I used to shop at a Palestinian owned c-store back in the early 90′s. I noticed on the counter they were selling single menthol cigarettes & menthol cigarettes only. I was still a young idealistic liberal & I asked the middle aged gal behind the counter who on earth only bought single cigarettes. She shook her head & said, “Bad men.” Her English wasn’t the greatest so I asked, “Bad men?” She shook her head again, “No! Black men!”

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    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Sure, single cigarette sales. Loosies. It's illegal but some bodegas and stands do it anyway.


    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loosie
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  9. IHTG says:

    EUIsRealRacist:

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  10. NickG says:
    @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    Excellent use of the word ‘but’ there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    That’s a good old fashioned tell.

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  11. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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  12. BozoB says:

    I just called up Meredith Raimondo’s webpage at Oberlin. It helpfully informs you of her pronoun preferences: (she/her/hers). Also has a link to the Office of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion.

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  13. Ich bin ein Berliner.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    You'll be the next item shoplifted.
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  14. DCThrowback says: • Website

    “Racism can’t always be proven on an Excel sheet,” said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    —–If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that “isn’t being had” between the two sides.

    “Gibson’s has become all that is wrong with America,” Berstein said. “It’s a classic case of those political bubbles that don’t communicate with each other, and don’t want to.”

    —–Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

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    • Replies: @anon
    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that “isn’t being had” between the two sides.

    That's because one side is stupid and has nothing to say, and is only interested in destroying things instead of talking.

    And I'm sure Jacob Berstein's conversation is going to be totally fair to both sides, like these conversations about race always are.
    , @BenKenobi

    The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist.
     
    ...and yet a mob gathered to exorcize the racist demons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HBBf_eDLM
    , @bomag

    “Gibson’s has become all that is wrong with America,” Berstein said.
     
    I fear the cure that he will propose for this alleged malady.
    , @Art Deco
    —–Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    Game. Set. Match.
    , @Deckin
    Isn't the whole point of the Adverse Impact Rule that one can prove racism with a spreadsheet?
    , @rogue-one
    “Racism can’t always be proven on an Excel sheet,”

    It also means that racism lies in the eyes of beholder. A "person of color" can accuse any white person of racism and no bending backwards of whites can absolve them of the charge of racism as the evidence will always be subjective and arbitrary.
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  15. I imagine that Lena Dunham would have first-hand knowledge of bakeries located near the Oberlin campus. Exercise facilities, not so much.

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    Heh! Not very porciphilic, but funny nonetheless.
    , @thatcher76
    lol
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  16. george says:

    ‘only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification’

    Hey iSteve, that’s what those 2 underage black kids were doing in Ferguson. Just trying to buy blunts from the neighborhood South Asian immigrant entrepreneur and paragon of free markets. And it’s not like they were going to smoke the tobacco filler.

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  17. Jake says:

    In PC/Cultural Marxist America, black shoplifters are innocent victims of racism. Just like John Conyers, Marion Barry, and the members of the Bloods, the Crips, and the Gangster Disciples.

    Who made the Negro Numinous, the sacred cow of American union?

    The old WASP Elites.

    Those WASP Elites turned their pet Negroes loose on the south during Reconstruction. And, along with their oldest ally, the Jews, they are getting revved up to use their Numinous Negroes to prove that white Middle America is a gathering of Kulaks fit to be given the Joe Stalin treatment.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war. The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    it was always, always a bastion of women's rights, free love, abolition, transcendentalism, vegetarianism, animal rights, communism, visionary upper class socialism. A lot of the early employees were wash outs from the Robert Owen and other socialist utopia colonies. Problem with these colonies was that they had no workers involved. The gentlemen and lady intellectuals couldn't even do their own laundry let alone grow food or build a house.

    It was an 1830s version of the liberal arts departments of the colleges of today.
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  18. sabril says:

    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson’s should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn’t going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

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    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.
     
    Why wouldn't a bakery sell wine?

    By the way, college kids don't drink wine.

    And why would wine attract shoplifters?

    , @JaimeInTexas
    Why not sell wine in a bakery? Do you know the business better than the business owner? Not even a good attempt at deflecting from the real issue. Were those teenagers, who happened to be Oberlin College students, caught shoplifting?
    , @Art Deco
    I take it shoplifting is one of your hobbies.
    , @Michigan Patriot
    Using your illogical excuse; why sell any commodity ; it's just a " magnet " to be shoplifted ? Why sell cars to customers; it's magnet for " carjackers or auto-thieves " ?
    , @Dumbo
    "In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters."

    Not necessarily. Most people prefer to pay for stuff, even alcohol. The only people who shoplift are those who are too dumb to understand that the possible negative consequences much outweigh the positive ones, or those who get a certain thrill from stealing, or those who are already drunk and temporarily lose their inhibitions and future-time orientation (it is likely the students in that case were already drunk).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).
    , @Alden
    It's a bakery/ deli/ grocery store with a liquor license.

    You're right about letting the animals shoplift and just raising the prices. Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families. The minorities get big scholarships. And if they need money for their $275.00 textbooks and $5.00 coffee and $6.00 pastries, and spring break trips to high end resorts in Mexico, the financial aid office will just get them another $10,000 loan.
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  19. The Z Blog says: • Website

    We need to see more of this. It is one thing for a liberal group to organize a boycott. They are simply exercising their right to not do business with someone. When they go after partners, organize fraudulent outrage campaigns against advertisers, disrupt the ongoing operation of a business, they they are (often) breaking the law. Suing some of these groups for tortious interference would be a good use of lawfare.

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  20. … their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification

    Identity theft? I would have thought that stealing ID documents or manufacturing fake ones, or self misrepresentation was a fairly serious crime in its own right.

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    • Replies: @James Kabala
    In principle - yes.

    In terms of the actual practice of college students of all races for the last twenty years or more - no.

    I don't know if the drinking age would be better to be 21 or 18 in theory, but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced. These guys (unless they were also shoplifters, which of course they probably were) got caught for a crime that most of their classmates had also committed and gotten away with.

    , @AndrewR
    It's obviously not on par with stealing. If you steal from a shop, the owners lose money. Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.
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  21. Bill P says:

    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers — they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it’s a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it’s wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don’t take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are “punching down” so to speak. Isn’t it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

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    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.
     
    Have you seen some of those Liveleak videos from Africa on how they deal with petty thieves? Crowds of people gather and they beat them and then douse them with gasoline and burn them to death. Same kind of stuff in poor parts of Latin America. Extremely brutal.
    , @jimmyriddle
    Sailer calls it undocumented shopping.
    , @JSM
    There is NOTHING WRONG, in a poor neighborhood, for the goods to be behind bulletproof glass, the shopper comes to the window, tells the clerk what he wants, the clerk goes and gets it, rings it up, money is passed through a drawer, and then the goods are put through an interlocking door. Man, I would HATE to be a night clerk in a dangerous area without those protections. Sorry if it hurts your pwecious widdle feewings.

    You don't like my way of doing business? It's "discriminatory"? Fine. Figure out a way to go the 30 miles to get to a normal grocery store.
    , @JMcG
    The state run liquor stores in my area have to keep Hennessy brandy behind the counter instead of on the display shelves.
    I know this because I once bought a bottle for an uncle visiting from overseas as it is his tipple of choice.
    When I couldn’t find it anywhere I asked the nice old lady behind the counter if there was any in stock.
    She turned her head from side to side to make sure no one was in earshot and said, “Oh yes, we have to keep it hidden because the kids from Cheney come here to steal it if we leave it out.”

    Cheyney is a local HBCU.

    No gouging there, alcohol prices are set by the state and are uniform.
    , @Anon7
    "Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society."

    I doubt that debtor's prison will make a comeback, in spite of the additions to our language. "In the clink" and "stone broke" are both derived from a famous London debtor's prison.

    However, it occurs to me that since modern-day prisoners spend so much of their time working out, they could be doing power generation rather than just pushing weights up and down. Prisons could become power sources.

    And, because of our nation's policies of unlimited immigration by the people least suited to participate in a modern economy, and sanctuary cities that prize criminality, not to mention our creation of IQ sinks in inner cities, it would be considered a "renewable" resource.

    , @JimB
    This is an example of why Sharia Law is necessary in the third world. Shoplifters have their hands removed in a public ceremony. It’s common to see rusty bandsaws set up in public markets in Arabic countries for carrying out the sentence and as a visual reminder not to steal.
    , @bomag

    People don’t take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals.
     
    I've noticed that those who are fond of (re)distributing other people's money don't mind theft too much.

    The ends justify the means to these folks. Honest people are just unwoke tools to be exploited.

    , @Jack D
    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not - by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn't shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But "profiling" or "stereotyping" is perfectly logical - you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.
    , @JollyOldSoul
    "I think it’s wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?"

    The major chains don't charge anymore in the ghetto than in the burbs. I've been to a ghetto Walmart a few times. Cameras are ubiquitous and self-checkout is nonexistent, but the prices are exactly the same. Maybe convenience stores charge more, but they charge more everywhere. The real question is why there isn't an Apple Store anywhere in the ghetto. I wandered around for hours but couldn't find one.
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  22. Barnard says:

    A reply from Oberlin grad Michelle Malkin would be better.

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  23. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that “isn’t being had” between the two sides.

    That’s because one side is stupid and has nothing to say, and is only interested in destroying things instead of talking.

    And I’m sure Jacob Berstein’s conversation is going to be totally fair to both sides, like these conversations about race always are.

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  24. @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    Say what you want, pastries taste better with a heaping helping of the loving racism that pisses off anyone associated with a college, anywhere. Dilly! Dilly!

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  25. Yak-15 says:

    Once again, liberal people are taking a stand on an issue that causes them no ill consequences. It’s easy to be #woke when you aren’t a business owner paying for thievery.

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  26. @Jonathan Mason

    ... their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification
     
    Identity theft? I would have thought that stealing ID documents or manufacturing fake ones, or self misrepresentation was a fairly serious crime in its own right.

    In principle – yes.

    In terms of the actual practice of college students of all races for the last twenty years or more – no.

    I don’t know if the drinking age would be better to be 21 or 18 in theory, but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced. These guys (unless they were also shoplifters, which of course they probably were) got caught for a crime that most of their classmates had also committed and gotten away with.

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    Dead letter laws? You mean like our immigration laws? :P

    I believe in law and order. Good laws lead to good order, bad laws lead to bad order.
    , @stillCARealist
    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that's illegal too. What's wrong with these guys that they couldn't find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    ... but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced.
     
    Yes, that's the way you get anarcho-tyranny and a host of other ills (think Mexico) - lot's of laws, but too many or no will to enforce them all - then The Law can get anyone on some charge anytime it wants to.

    About the drinking age law specifically, it moved most of the drinking off-campus, and therefore, kids had to drive to a lot of the places to drink. Yeah, that's what you want, right?? (Uber has helped a lot, from my U-driver friends take on things, as most of the kids are too lazy to walk a mile - hey it's good for you to sober up a little bit to prevent the whole dorm room spinning around followed by a number of visits to the porcelain goddess.)

    The biggest effect though, indeed was to enable a whole dorm-room cottage industry of the production of fake ID's.
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  27. Mike P. says:

    “I have not taken a paycheck since this happened more than a year ago,” Gibson said in an email. “Sometimes you have to stand up to a large institution. Powerful institutions — including Oberlin College — and their members must follow the same laws as the rest of us.”

    Fascist.

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  28. At this point, it’s frankly their fault.

    Everyone knows what Oberlin is about. It’s not a secret.

    If you’re a CIS white male, no matter what your political stripe, they will eventually come for you. You’ve should have seen the writing on the wall by now…

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    A bit harsh but I concur. People need to learn that actions have consequences. When you set up shop next to one of the most toxic universities in the US, this is a very predictable outcome.
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  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    Have you seen some of those Liveleak videos from Africa on how they deal with petty thieves? Crowds of people gather and they beat them and then douse them with gasoline and burn them to death. Same kind of stuff in poor parts of Latin America. Extremely brutal.

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    Immigrant from Liberia told me what they do. Saturday is the big market day. Everybody comes to town, shops, visits friends, maybe a dance, movie or festivity in the evening.

    And every saturday they have the public whippings for various crimes. There are screams, blood, whips. It saves a lot on prison costs. He was amazed at the leniency in America.
    , @ironicus
    And extremely effective too.
    Near Johannesburg in South Africa is Diepsloot, one of the poorest shantytowns in the country, poorer than any Hooverville you will ever see.
    Yet it is crime-free, because when criminals are caught, the police are called to haul away the ashes. Merely suspicious characters from outside can usually crawl to a minibus taxi on the outskirts to make their getaway.
    Brutal as it sounds, this method of enforcement of basic moral standards is applied very infrequently these days - word gets around.
    But then, South African men have balls, so I don't think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.
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  30. Polynikes says:

    Being a HS student who looked at–an ultimately attended–a liberal arts college in the Midwest, I became familiar with the schools in the area back then. Even two decades ago Oberlin had a reputation as a bunch of liberal kooks, and this was in comparison to some other pretty liberal institutions at the time.

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    Being a HS student who looked at–an ultimately attended–a liberal arts college in the Midwest, I became familiar with the schools in the area back then. Even two decades ago Oberlin had a reputation as a bunch of liberal kooks, and this was in comparison to some other pretty liberal institutions at the time.
     
    I had a girlfriend who went there in the late 70s, it was proto-SJW then. A big issue then was the Shah and SAVAK.
    , @MBlanc46
    Even four decades ago it had that reputation.
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  31. Nice to see Gibson’s defending themselves. I hope Oberlin pays dearly for supporting the Dirtbag Army.

    Oberlin wants so very badly to be like a big city, to the point that they maintain a section of ‘projects’. One expects to see the city council handing out cans of spray paint at the basketball courts. It’s that kind of place.

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    Another midwestern town suffering from SJW far-left lunatic inferiority complex, and creating all kinds of self-inflicted problems as a result.

    Overcompensating badly, apparently, for their frustration at not being NYC or LA or Chicago, and sadly being surrounded by all those rural, flyover country, white people out there. Poor things!
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  32. jtgw says:

    So the students physically assaulted Gibson but were only charged with trespassing and attempted shoplifting? Does anyone else find that odd?

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    Ok, here we go:

    The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist.
     
    Maybe the owners persuaded the DA to make this deal, to save the business?
    , @Alfa158
    Prosecutors frequently bend over backwards to clear cases, so they allow criminals to plea-bargain, and the victims can do nothing about it. Law abiding victims not only suffer the consequences of the crime committed against them, but then have to watch the perps walk away laughing.
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  33. @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    Sailer calls it undocumented shopping.

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    Sailer calls it undocumented shopping.
     
    Shopping doesn't require or necessarily result in documents, but a purchase produces a receipt.

    It makes more sense to say shoplifting is an undocumented purchase.
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  34. jtgw says:
    @James Kabala
    In principle - yes.

    In terms of the actual practice of college students of all races for the last twenty years or more - no.

    I don't know if the drinking age would be better to be 21 or 18 in theory, but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced. These guys (unless they were also shoplifters, which of course they probably were) got caught for a crime that most of their classmates had also committed and gotten away with.

    Dead letter laws? You mean like our immigration laws? :P

    I believe in law and order. Good laws lead to good order, bad laws lead to bad order.

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  35. A long account of profiling and discrimination? Huh?

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  36. “the Gibsons sued Oberlin and Meredith Raimondo, vice president and dean of students, for slander”

    Good for the Gibsons! Too many victims of liberal mobs just go fetal and don’t hit back. The lib-mobs don’t stop until their sponsors start feeling the pain.

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    Isolating this cow Raimondo is a very good counter-Alinsky move. All the best to the Gibsons.
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  37. @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    AHA! Pain au chocalat eh? So they blatantly admit inflicting pain on chocolate bodies.

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    "AHA! Pain au chocalat eh? So they blatantly admit inflicting pain on chocolate bodies."
     
    Worse than that, the bland white-bread appropriates the sweet, chocolaty goodness while keeping the dark bits that do the heavy lifting out of sight.
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  38. BenKenobi says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    The three students arrested at Gibson’s pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn’t racist.

    …and yet a mob gathered to exorcize the racist demons.

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  39. Oh my these bakers have balls the size of Wedding Cakes. They are literally taking on the fire breathing dragon of our modern clown world.

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.

    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    Steve you should be able to get a least one post a week out of this developing story.

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    I larfed out loud at someone who would put her pronouns as the very first item on her official professional bio:

    Meredith Raimondo

    (she/her/hers)

    Derision take the lot of them.
    , @Bill
    Her biography is kind of a travesty of grammar and style. Isn't Oberlin supposed to be a good school?
    , @Anonymous

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.
     
    She's got everything of any importance covered:

    will lead Oberlin’s Division of Student Life that supports students by creating more seamless connections between curricular and cocurricular experiences, advising and mentoring focused on the development of life skills and interpersonal and personal growth, and building and bridging intellectual and personal communities ... She has taught courses spanning the themes of gender and sexuality, race and ethnicity studies, social justice, and HIV/AIDS.


    Sigh. What a puke.
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  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Racial dispute at beloved bakery roils liberal college town
    BY DAKE KANG

    Dake? What is that? What’s with these Kangs? Jay Caspian, now Dake. ‘We be the New Kangz’?

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  41. @jtgw
    So the students physically assaulted Gibson but were only charged with trespassing and attempted shoplifting? Does anyone else find that odd?

    Ok, here we go:

    The three students arrested at Gibson’s pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn’t racist.

    Maybe the owners persuaded the DA to make this deal, to save the business?

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    Yes, that makes sense.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    That's really interesting. Wonder if there were any protests or school-aided actions against the store after the plea agreement was signed.

    If so, the school is screwed. Either way, the store owners have a good case against the college. I'm sure the store owners are SWJ all the way, but I hope they put a serious legal hurt on the Oberlin. There's never any consequences to these people.
    , @bomag

    said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn’t racist.
     
    Implies that racism justifies criminal activity. Discomfiting that the court would countenance this.

    Should read, the store wasn't racist, but soon will be after drawing a few logical conclusions
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  42. Stick says:

    As a Presbyterian, I’d like to apologize on behalf of these freaks. This is why I no longer bother belonging to a church.

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    Becoming unchurched is no slight to these SJWs. In fact, secularization is part of their plan.
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  43. dearieme says:

    Who do we think likelier to lie? Vile capitalist businessmen, or a college dedicated to the search for truth? My money’s on the college.

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  44. OT: bombing at NYC bus terminal. I’m waiting for the inevitable mainstream press article with the title: “The xxxxx Bombing/Shooting: What we know and don’t know”. Whenever the phrase “what we know” or some variation thereof appears in a headline, you can be all but 100% assured that some important facts are being deliberately omitted or underreported.

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  45. Barnard says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    We can at least hope, can't we, that Oberlin comes out of this bankrupted rather than the baker?

    That would be great, but with a $770 million endowment, not very likely. I would hope A best case scenario would be open hostility between the student body and the community to the point the school felt it needed to make major changes in order to improve community relations. If Oberlin wins the case and the baker ends up closing, the community should rally against the school, but who knows what would happen in a place this far gone.

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  46. https://transatoberlin.wordpress.com/

    About

    This website was founded as a Winter Term project sponsored by Dean Eric Estes in January 2014, and continued as a private reading with Meredith Raimondo. Inspiration came from the Trans at Oberlin Oberwiki page, which provided resources for trans students. We wanted to expand, update, and publicize this resource in order to address the diverse needs of the Oberlin student body.

    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    Raimondo joined the Oberlin community in 2003, as one of the professors in the newly formed Department of Comparative American Studies. CAS focuses on the comparative,” Raimondo said in 2003, how diversity affects Americans at home and abroad, and what this means when we look at the role of the United States in a global context.

    She has taught courses spanning the themes of gender and sexuality, race and ethnicity studies, social justice, and HIV/AIDS.

    In 2014, she was recognized with an Excellence in Teaching Award and later that year was appointed special assistant to the president for diversity, equity, and inclusion and Title IX coordinator, a position for which she oversees institutional policy to ensure all students’ needs are being met under Title IX guidelines.

    This is awesome the greatest issue faced by students and faculty at Oberlin is how they can drive a aging hippy boomer and son family bakery out of business.

    Welcome to “Clown World”!!!

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    Thanks for the background. Her ilk is to (traditional) academia what maggots are to once-gourmet cheese. It would be a public service were the Gibsons' attorney to pound that fact in court. Small wonder that state universities in these parts are begging for applications.
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  47. JSM says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    There is NOTHING WRONG, in a poor neighborhood, for the goods to be behind bulletproof glass, the shopper comes to the window, tells the clerk what he wants, the clerk goes and gets it, rings it up, money is passed through a drawer, and then the goods are put through an interlocking door. Man, I would HATE to be a night clerk in a dangerous area without those protections. Sorry if it hurts your pwecious widdle feewings.

    You don’t like my way of doing business? It’s “discriminatory”? Fine. Figure out a way to go the 30 miles to get to a normal grocery store.

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    What on earth are you talking about? Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    They're trying to make bullet proff glass illegal in philadelphia because it hurts peoples feelings.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/council-bill-removal-safety-glass-windows-beer-delis-meeting-20171208.html

    It also led me to buy into another angle of criticism: If shopkeepers are scared of their customers in Philadelphia’s rougher neighborhoods, just sell the shops to people who live in the community and there's no need to hide behind bulletproof glass to protect themselves.

     

    This says a lot. That people are resentful of the non black business owners and want to see them killed and driven out. The residents would be better off without people peddling beer and junk food, so they do have a point in that regard.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Bullet proof glass in stores will be illegal in Philadelphia real soon, because "the safety measure relied on in low-income neighborhoods hurts shoppers' feelings."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07/outrage-as-philly-pushes-through-ban-on-bulletproof-glass-in-crime-plagued-neighborhood-shops.html
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  48. Fueled says:

    There’s a silver lining buried in that AP story:

    With…news of the Gibson’s protests spreading online, bikers and out-of-town counter-protesters soon converged on the town to jeer students and buy doughnuts from Gibson’s.

    The resistance is growing…

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    That is music to my ears. We’ve got to start standing up to these punks.
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  49. Steve

    I just got the phone call from my sister…..my beautifull Irish-Italian-German Niece was almost blown to pieces today in NYC…. very close….had a bad feeling all week….

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    So happy she is Ok and only the bomber was hurt. News is that he told police his motive was because the Americans are bombing his home country Bangladesh.

    Did we start a new war last night?
    , @Shitposter
    Thankfully it was almost. I hate terrorists who take out their anger in not being able to create anything good on those nations that can.
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  50. jtgw says:
    @International Jew
    Ok, here we go:

    The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist.
     
    Maybe the owners persuaded the DA to make this deal, to save the business?

    Yes, that makes sense.

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  51. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    They should protest the Chinese embassy for the arrest of three shoplifting basketball-Africans.

    And they should protest Japanese embassy for this.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-16/news/mn-1947_1_university-band

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  52. Mr. Anon says:
    @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    Excellent use of the word ‘but’ there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson’s is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    Hitler like pastry, so there you go. Pastry is inherently racist. Some braided pastries even look like nooses.

    The whiteness……………….the unspeakable whiteness of it all!

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  53. JMcG says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    The state run liquor stores in my area have to keep Hennessy brandy behind the counter instead of on the display shelves.
    I know this because I once bought a bottle for an uncle visiting from overseas as it is his tipple of choice.
    When I couldn’t find it anywhere I asked the nice old lady behind the counter if there was any in stock.
    She turned her head from side to side to make sure no one was in earshot and said, “Oh yes, we have to keep it hidden because the kids from Cheney come here to steal it if we leave it out.”

    Cheyney is a local HBCU.

    No gouging there, alcohol prices are set by the state and are uniform.

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    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store - a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints - these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random - rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can't think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.
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  54. Mr. Anon says:

    A bakery that sells wine?

    Anyway, this is an example of what is sometimes referred to as “The black tax”, or as Anti-Gnostic said, why we can’t have nice things.

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  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.

    So, “it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t” for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a ‘racist’. (Btw, I’m the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. “I can steal too good not to survive.” Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a ‘mistake’, same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the ‘cool’ excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’, even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more ‘settlers’. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don’t have to deal with raw reality.

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    What's shocking is how they don't see how this looks to the outside. The journalist here has done a good job accepting this all as truth on the basis of a large mobilisation of people. But this is what these people live for. They need racism, they need something to rebel against.

    But the public has become increasingly aware of the excessive madness of this world in US humanities departments as a result of exposure from recent attempts to spread the religion into any subculture they can find. (The mistake was going after online ones where evidence is easy to save and reproduce and anonymity prevents social shaming.) People are aware that it's nonsense that this place so close to Oberlin has been 'racist' for years. Like the students wouldn't be protesting and boycotting it as if it was. (Like 3 black students from Oberlin would patronise a 'racist' backery with fake IDs!)

    I'll admit I almost find it as difficult to believe that 3 black students at a college like Oberlin would hit a shopkeeper but I find it far more easy to believe than their story.

    , @Lurker

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always. . . .The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.
     
    Yes! This is the purpose of The Agenda™ pursued throughout every aspect of the media, to build and reinforce this mindset among whites and blacks.
    , @Art Deco
    Just ask the Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’, even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more ‘settlers’.

    About 150,000 (out of 2.8 million) Arabs live in that portion of the West Bank where the settlements are located. About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; 'colonization' means another cottage built. Another 15% live in Modin Illit, which is smack on the Green Line.
    , @kihowi
    Ever argued with an unhappy housewife?

    I didn't do it.
    And if I did, you made me do it.
    And if you didn't make me, it's payback for what you did last week.
    And if it's not payback I don't even care and I'm happy I did it so there.

    This is sort of a universal template for people who don't understand the difference between honesty and dishonesty, i.e. mostly everybody except old-fashioned principled white men.
    , @Jack D
    I was just eating a donut and the hole in the donut reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. Before that, I was crossing the street and almost got splashed by a truck and that reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. In fact, EVERYTHING reminds me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.
    , @Abe

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    ...

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.
     

    But maybe it's not a twist. Who else is celebrated for their refined- almost angelic- grace, and then excused- nay, cheered on- for their occasional warlike outbursts? Why nobles, of course! Moldbug sketched this out a while ago, and it's gone from poor satire to the cusp of reality much quicker than I imagined. Blacks are the new nobility, an object of veneration moon-faced, Lutheran Church-attending, Hajnal Line whites had to provide for themselves once traditional sources of meaning broke down. And so of course this villain baker was in the wrong! Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)! And here again!! Perchance a good cuffing will re-learn you your manners!

    Obama has chosen Kehinde Wiley to do his Presidential portrait, a black artist who specializes in producing hip-hopified/ghetto-fabulous versions of Old Master classics (and, yes, he's gay):

    https://qz.com/1102633/former-us-president-barack-obama-picks-kehinde-wiley-to-paint-his-official-presidential-portrait-for-the-smithsonian-national-portrait-gallery/

    So now this blacks-as-the-new-aristocracy zeitgeist has its first visual documentarian.

    , @utu
    Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’

    Perfect point.

    BTW: The two shomers of Jewish narrative have already objected to your comment.
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  57. Romanian says: • Website

    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

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    Calling it "Mudshark" probably wouldn't go over well.

    A white women getting knocked up by a black guy and him disappearing is the most realistic thing Hollywood has put out in years.
    , @guest
    "Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?"

    I don't understand your dichotomy. It may be both, of course.

    It almost certainly has propaganda in it, but the way they put those shows together, my guess is they'll be too honest about what a horrible person she is. She could therefore serve as a negative example, but normal people probably won't be watching a show like that.
    , @AndrewR
    I am not sure what to make of it. It is amusing in an absurd and degenerate way. Here is the full first episode.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBquo13M34
    , @Anon
    I thought it was about a Soldier of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Maybe he's her love interest.
    , @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.
    , @DFH
    The executive producers are called Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky
    , @donut
    Think about the possibilities . Baby's daddy showing up infrequently to mooch off of her and beat her ass . Navigating her way thru the welfare system . The nonstop drama with his other babies' mommas . The neighborhood donnybrooks . And for the grand finale he can come by and murder her and the kid true to life like that if nothing else about the show .
    , @Ivy
    Does that show come on before or after Cops?
    , @eah
    It's produced by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky, both Jews. Surprise.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    How much you want to bet that there's an episode where a white guy falls in love with her but can't deal with the fact that she has the child of black guy (he'll let on at some point that he'd be OK if her kid was 100% white)? The show will revolve around how terrible this guy is.

    Btw, I've seen my share of women with mulatto kids and this show is taking some serious artistic license with the lead character's ass size.
    , @Corn
    I watched the pilot episode. The show is just vulgar trash.
    , @CJ
    Propaganda of course, but that's not an exclusive category. Fun fact about that show -- her "son" is played by female twins who look like they're one-eighth black maximum. There's a whole bunch of jokes in there.
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  58. @International Jew
    Ok, here we go:

    The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist.
     
    Maybe the owners persuaded the DA to make this deal, to save the business?

    That’s really interesting. Wonder if there were any protests or school-aided actions against the store after the plea agreement was signed.

    If so, the school is screwed. Either way, the store owners have a good case against the college. I’m sure the store owners are SWJ all the way, but I hope they put a serious legal hurt on the Oberlin. There’s never any consequences to these people.

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  59. Hunsdon says:

    Dake Kang?

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    ....and Dake wuz/wannabee Kang Diversifier :

    https://bbip.ku.edu/sites/bbip.ku.edu/files/styles/slideshow-template1-fullsize/public/images/slideshow/DIGIN%20Scanning.jpg?itok=8kuzRrO6



    "...blah, blah... By generating a metadata schema that accounts for race and race-related issues, we will correct the digital divide in black-authored texts. "

    https://bbip.ku.edu/


    *****************************************************************************************************************************

    Daily reminder that this scarrywagy whippersnapper got Sailer's job, not because he's smarter, more experienced, and better writer with a proven expertise - but only because of his exotic name and slanted... viewpoint.


    Take a look at this , if you don't believe bored identity:

    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/afs:Medium:810730002/1000.mp4

    AP Explains: What's behind conflict at sprawling Thai temple

    https://www.apnews.com/6080ce7e212b4aada8e4088e9361c228



    ...and this:


    https://youtu.be/h6JO3UEooqc
    , @bored identity
    ....and Dake wuz/wannabee Kang Diversifier :

    https://bbip.ku.edu/sites/bbip.ku.edu/files/styles/slideshow-template1-fullsize/public/images/slideshow/DIGIN%20Scanning.jpg?itok=8kuzRrO6



    "...blah, blah... By generating a metadata schema that accounts for race and race-related issues, we will correct the digital divide in black-authored texts. "

    https://bbip.ku.edu/


    *****************************************************************************************************************************

    Daily reminder that this scarrywagy whippersnapper got Sailer's job, not because he's smarter, more experienced, and better writer with a proven expertise - but only because of his exotic name and slanted... viewpoint.


    Take a look at this , if you don't believe bored identity:

    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/afs:Medium:810730002/1000.mp4

    AP Explains: What's behind conflict at sprawling Thai temple

    https://www.apnews.com/6080ce7e212b4aada8e4088e9361c228



    ...and this:


    https://youtu.be/h6JO3UEooqc
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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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  61. Anon7 says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    “Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.”

    I doubt that debtor’s prison will make a comeback, in spite of the additions to our language. “In the clink” and “stone broke” are both derived from a famous London debtor’s prison.

    However, it occurs to me that since modern-day prisoners spend so much of their time working out, they could be doing power generation rather than just pushing weights up and down. Prisons could become power sources.

    And, because of our nation’s policies of unlimited immigration by the people least suited to participate in a modern economy, and sanctuary cities that prize criminality, not to mention our creation of IQ sinks in inner cities, it would be considered a “renewable” resource.

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  62. Meanwhile at Fordham University several College Republicans wearing MAGA hats were kicked out of a campus coffee shop by a bitter Asian SJW girl.

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    Didn't Trump go to Fordham?
    , @AnotherDad

    Meanwhile at Fordham University several College Republicans wearing MAGA hats were kicked out of a campus coffee shop by a bitter Asian SJW girl.
     
    It seems to the case that viewpoint discrimination is a-ok. At least "liberals" seem to be free to fire people who refuse to get woke.

    This suggests a nice business opportunity of having "Republican" or even "Trumpist" business establishments that would be a legal way to "have nice things". Perhaps even better than playing classical music.
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  63. @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    Calling it “Mudshark” probably wouldn’t go over well.

    A white women getting knocked up by a black guy and him disappearing is the most realistic thing Hollywood has put out in years.

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  64. “On Nov. 7, the Gibsons sued Oberlin and Meredith Raimondo, vice president and dean of students, for slander, accusing faculty members of encouraging demonstrations against the bakery by suspending classes, distributing flyers, and supplying protesters with free food and drink.”

    Presumably the cost of the flyers and food came out of student fees?

    And suspending classes for a protest? Oberlin charges $53,460 per year in tuition. Assuming (generously) a 180 day school year, that comes to $300 per day. I wonder if Oberlin would be so quick to cancel classes if it were required to refund $300 to each of its 2,900 students, at a total cost of $870,000. Sounds like the makings of yet another lawsuit to me, this one a class action.

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    Suspending classes. That presumes that people go to class there.
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  65. Altai says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    What’s shocking is how they don’t see how this looks to the outside. The journalist here has done a good job accepting this all as truth on the basis of a large mobilisation of people. But this is what these people live for. They need racism, they need something to rebel against.

    But the public has become increasingly aware of the excessive madness of this world in US humanities departments as a result of exposure from recent attempts to spread the religion into any subculture they can find. (The mistake was going after online ones where evidence is easy to save and reproduce and anonymity prevents social shaming.) People are aware that it’s nonsense that this place so close to Oberlin has been ‘racist’ for years. Like the students wouldn’t be protesting and boycotting it as if it was. (Like 3 black students from Oberlin would patronise a ‘racist’ backery with fake IDs!)

    I’ll admit I almost find it as difficult to believe that 3 black students at a college like Oberlin would hit a shopkeeper but I find it far more easy to believe than their story.

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  66. @James Kabala
    In principle - yes.

    In terms of the actual practice of college students of all races for the last twenty years or more - no.

    I don't know if the drinking age would be better to be 21 or 18 in theory, but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced. These guys (unless they were also shoplifters, which of course they probably were) got caught for a crime that most of their classmates had also committed and gotten away with.

    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that’s illegal too. What’s wrong with these guys that they couldn’t find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.

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    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one.
     
    I never saw one either, but I knew quite a few people who would use the ID of an older friend or sibling. That seems to be the way to go.
    , @William Badwhite
    A fake ID is useful for getting into bars. And for not needing to ask somewhere over 21 to buy it for them - a crime for the buyer as well as the underage drinker.

    A drinking age of 21 for beer and wine is ridiculous. College kids are going to drink and party. Much better for them to be drinking beer instead of today's practice of "pre-gaming" where they do shots of hard liquor prior to heading out. Its easy to get hurt that way - drink yourself into a coma or whatever.

    Its pretty hard to drink yourself into a coma with keg beer...
    , @ScarletNumber
    Umm, the driving age will never be 21. We will have self-driving cars first.
    , @James Kabala
    It probably depends on how close your campus is to a bar. If everyone goes to keg parties in dorms, they might not be needed (so to speak). If they go to bars, that would be a different story.

    I was (and still am) a non-drinker and am not defending it at all, but a cavalier attitude toward fake IDs is a common warped mentality that is not race-specific (as I thought some commenters were probably going to insinuate). If anything it flourishes most among a certain type of white preppy student.
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  67. guest says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    “Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?”

    I don’t understand your dichotomy. It may be both, of course.

    It almost certainly has propaganda in it, but the way they put those shows together, my guess is they’ll be too honest about what a horrible person she is. She could therefore serve as a negative example, but normal people probably won’t be watching a show like that.

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  68. bomag says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    “Gibson’s has become all that is wrong with America,” Berstein said.

    I fear the cure that he will propose for this alleged malady.

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  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Plan A for Gibson’s to stop black shop lifting: Play classical music. It’s krypronite to black people, who won’t enter malls or stores where it can be heard in the background.

    Plan B: Stop selling booze and sunglasses.

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    Anonymous, Oberlin has a Music Conservatory, where they teach all things musical. A few years back the black student body presented a list of demands to the college president, among them was a demand to cease teaching classical (European) music, including such things as scales and chords and emphasize Afrocentric music, such as drumming. I am awaiting the day that the local philharmonic puts on an Afrocentric concert to a sold out audience.
    , @duncsbaby
    I read somewhere recently (perhaps on isteve) that SJWs believe playing classical music in public spaces is a micro-aggression against POC & is now on the list of things to be banned.
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  70. Svigor says:

    Why do anything real when you can just walk out of your dorm, cross the street, and get your “activism” done there?

    I’m guessing NHI – No Humans Involved – the “students” are communists, and the baker is probably communist, too.

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  71. JimB says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    This is an example of why Sharia Law is necessary in the third world. Shoplifters have their hands removed in a public ceremony. It’s common to see rusty bandsaws set up in public markets in Arabic countries for carrying out the sentence and as a visual reminder not to steal.

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  72. AndrewR says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    I am not sure what to make of it. It is amusing in an absurd and degenerate way. Here is the full first episode.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBquo13M34

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  73. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    I thought it was about a Soldier of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Maybe he’s her love interest.

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  74. @Hunsdon
    Dake Kang?

    ….and Dake wuz/wannabee Kang Diversifier :

    “…blah, blah… By generating a metadata schema that accounts for race and race-related issues, we will correct the digital divide in black-authored texts. ”

    https://bbip.ku.edu/

    *****************************************************************************************************************************

    Daily reminder that this scarrywagy whippersnapper got Sailer’s job, not because he’s smarter, more experienced, and better writer with a proven expertise – but only because of his exotic name and slanted… viewpoint.

    Take a look at this , if you don’t believe bored identity:

    AP Explains: What’s behind conflict at sprawling Thai temple

    https://www.apnews.com/6080ce7e212b4aada8e4088e9361c228

    …and this:

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  75. @Hunsdon
    Dake Kang?

    ….and Dake wuz/wannabee Kang Diversifier :

    “…blah, blah… By generating a metadata schema that accounts for race and race-related issues, we will correct the digital divide in black-authored texts. ”

    https://bbip.ku.edu/

    *****************************************************************************************************************************

    Daily reminder that this scarrywagy whippersnapper got Sailer’s job, not because he’s smarter, more experienced, and better writer with a proven expertise – but only because of his exotic name and slanted… viewpoint.

    Take a look at this , if you don’t believe bored identity:

    AP Explains: What’s behind conflict at sprawling Thai temple

    https://www.apnews.com/6080ce7e212b4aada8e4088e9361c228

    …and this:

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  76. Ohio is like Texas. Truth is an affirmative defense:

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2739

    In other words the plaintiff does not need to prove the statement was false; the defendant needs to prove the statement was true.

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    Interesting. That makes Texas and Ohio like the UK. I thought First Amendment protections put the burden of proof on the plaintiff in all the states, but I guess that isn't true.
    , @ScarletNumber
    I think you are misunderstanding the law. While the truth is an affirmative defense to slander, it isn't the only defense.
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  77. Alfa158 says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn’t realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as “Smart, Single, Southie”. Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

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    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @jtgw
    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.
    , @bomag
    Plenty of drug references in the trailer.

    It is basically soft core porn.
    , @fish

    She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.
     
    They need to hold something back for Season 2.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I watched several football games yesterday while doing other computer stuff, and I was astounded at the number of commercials with mixed race families. I think Amazon was the worst.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yep. Having a mulatto kid is right up there with a tramp stamp as the marker of white trash.
    , @Pericles
    Smart, Single, 'Shark.
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  78. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    All the students who were in the demonstration need to be expelled. Take away their chance to get a college education, because if they grow up to have their hands on the levers of power, they’ll utterly destroy society. A few of these students will wise up, but when the majority of the student body defends criminals, they’re hopeless. These students are a lot more radical than the leftist students of the 1960s were, and they’re too dangerous to society for us to make them into elites. They have to be knocked back down into the lower class where they cannot be allowed to make important decisions about the way this country is run.

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    University administrators are cowards though.
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  79. Benjaminl says:

    Off-topic: Very very iSteveian:

    https://home.isi.org/far-out

    Tribalism is the most basic psychological drive of all. For many on the left, the space program was obnoxious simply because its personnel came from the America that voted for Nixon. “It’s the triumph of the squares,” proclaimed a NASA administrator as Apollo 8 splashed down. Norman Mailer wrote an entire book about Apollo in which he refers to himself in the third person as “Aquarius.” In this guise, Mailer dismisses the crew-cut techs as “cogs in a machine” who were “subtly proud of their ability to serve interchangeably for one another.”…

    One feature that communes on both coasts shared was an inability to attract racial minorities. When Nina Simone visited the pioneering commune Morningstar Ranch, she said to her escort, “Lou, there aren’t any black people here.” “I want them to come,” he replied abashedly, “but we don’t invite people. They just show up.” Hispanics in the Southwest showed as little interest in joining desert communes. This prompted considerable soul-searching among theorists of commune life. What were they doing wrong that their members should be “almost all white, well-educated, and from middle-class or wealthy backgrounds”? To be fair, the demographics of the back-to-the-land movement were no more lopsided than hiking’s or camping’s today.

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  80. Alfa158 says:
    @jtgw
    So the students physically assaulted Gibson but were only charged with trespassing and attempted shoplifting? Does anyone else find that odd?

    Prosecutors frequently bend over backwards to clear cases, so they allow criminals to plea-bargain, and the victims can do nothing about it. Law abiding victims not only suffer the consequences of the crime committed against them, but then have to watch the perps walk away laughing.

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    True. That's one reason I like anarcho-capitalism and privatization of law and justice.
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  81. DFH says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    The executive producers are called Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky

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  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why didn’t Trump come to the rescue of these poor youths who made a small mistake? He did it for the ones caught stealing in China. Perhaps they’d be more appreciative than the others were.

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  83. jtgw says:
    @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.

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    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.
     
    You're a smart guy, so I take it that's a rhetorical question.

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I'd guess 95% are net tax eaters. For those sporting little mulattos it's likely north of 99%.

    (After the immigration disaster, reigning in this disaster of female entitlement is the other key requirement to resuming something akin to civilization.)
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  84. jtgw says:
    @ben tillman
    Ohio is like Texas. Truth is an affirmative defense:

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2739

    In other words the plaintiff does not need to prove the statement was false; the defendant needs to prove the statement was true.

    Interesting. That makes Texas and Ohio like the UK. I thought First Amendment protections put the burden of proof on the plaintiff in all the states, but I guess that isn’t true.

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    "like the UK": which bit did you have in mind?
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  85. jtgw says:
    @Alfa158
    Prosecutors frequently bend over backwards to clear cases, so they allow criminals to plea-bargain, and the victims can do nothing about it. Law abiding victims not only suffer the consequences of the crime committed against them, but then have to watch the perps walk away laughing.

    True. That’s one reason I like anarcho-capitalism and privatization of law and justice.

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    Honestly in the coming Shadowrun future the question is do I work for Lone Star or Knight Errant?
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  86. Lurker says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always. . . .The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    Yes! This is the purpose of The Agenda™ pursued throughout every aspect of the media, to build and reinforce this mindset among whites and blacks.

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  87. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JSM
    There is NOTHING WRONG, in a poor neighborhood, for the goods to be behind bulletproof glass, the shopper comes to the window, tells the clerk what he wants, the clerk goes and gets it, rings it up, money is passed through a drawer, and then the goods are put through an interlocking door. Man, I would HATE to be a night clerk in a dangerous area without those protections. Sorry if it hurts your pwecious widdle feewings.

    You don't like my way of doing business? It's "discriminatory"? Fine. Figure out a way to go the 30 miles to get to a normal grocery store.

    What on earth are you talking about? Did you mean to reply to a different comment?

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  88. bomag says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    People don’t take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals.

    I’ve noticed that those who are fond of (re)distributing other people’s money don’t mind theft too much.

    The ends justify the means to these folks. Honest people are just unwoke tools to be exploited.

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  89. kihowi says:

    The 18- and 19-year-old students said that they were racially profiled and that their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification

    Our only crime was a crime. Is that a crime?

    It’s sort of pointless arguing law and order, because the fight was lost a while ago. Only boring, goody-two-shoes working white men care about it. Everybody else is squarely on the side of crime.

    Minorities because they do it, the elite because it harms the middle class, the justice system because fighting it is a hassle, young men because it’s cool, women and homosexuals because it’s sexy.

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  90. J1234 says:

    Back in 2016, when playing the “who will be portrayed as evil next year” game, I picked Martin Luther, since some churches would be celebrating 500 since the Reformation in 2017. To my surprise, it turned out to be Taylor Swift and now maybe local bakers. Frankly, I’m kind of disappointed.

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    Most liberals are so ignorant they probably don't know who Martin Luther is. Micheal King on the other hand is a the son of God who ascended into heaven a few weeks after Easter.
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  91. bomag says:
    @International Jew
    Ok, here we go:

    The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist.
     
    Maybe the owners persuaded the DA to make this deal, to save the business?

    said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn’t racist.

    Implies that racism justifies criminal activity. Discomfiting that the court would countenance this.

    Should read, the store wasn’t racist, but soon will be after drawing a few logical conclusions

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  92. Art Deco says:

    Dave Gibson, the bakery’s owner, says the lawsuit is about standing up for his right to crack down on shoplifting without being branded as a racist. The suit says Oberlin demanded that he stop pushing criminal charges on first-time shoplifters and call school deans instead.

    The AP didn’t get a statement out of the college officialdom (an occupational group amply stocked with liars) on that contention. Instead, the College and Raimondo deny the corporation has stopped purchasing from the bakery, something not contended in the suit. Look squirrel.

    The demonstration contra Gibson’s occurred the day after the incident, i.e. before the participants could possibly have seen a minimally reliable account of what happened. The people who appear at these demonstrations are (1) deeply bigoted or (2) adhere to the notion that blacks should have a franchise to beat up people who annoy them.

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  93. Jack D says:
    @JMcG
    The state run liquor stores in my area have to keep Hennessy brandy behind the counter instead of on the display shelves.
    I know this because I once bought a bottle for an uncle visiting from overseas as it is his tipple of choice.
    When I couldn’t find it anywhere I asked the nice old lady behind the counter if there was any in stock.
    She turned her head from side to side to make sure no one was in earshot and said, “Oh yes, we have to keep it hidden because the kids from Cheney come here to steal it if we leave it out.”

    Cheyney is a local HBCU.

    No gouging there, alcohol prices are set by the state and are uniform.

    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store – a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints – these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random – rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.

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    "Hennessey" is easy to rhyme with a lot of words and phrases in interesting ways.

    It really is that simple. Try rapping about "Jameson." Go ahead, I'll wait....
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jack D, I remember reading that some pro athletes like to sneak their own bottles of high priced liquor into "Bottle Bars" to avoid paying the establishment's price.
    , @William Badwhite
    " I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze."

    Because brandy is much sweeter than scotch or tequila. They're big on sweet things.

    I'm friends with quite a few commercial pilots and have heard numerous times that, for some reason if the urban types are sitting in first class, they like to order Courvoisier and then ruin it by having Coca-Cola added to it. It would seem that cognac isn't sweet enough already.

    Of course, their high rate of diabetes is due to racism.
    , @CJ
    Hennessy has been a black thing for a long long time, since the 1970s disco era at least.
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  94. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’, even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more ‘settlers’.

    About 150,000 (out of 2.8 million) Arabs live in that portion of the West Bank where the settlements are located. About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built. Another 15% live in Modin Illit, which is smack on the Green Line.

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    About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built.

    I see. Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back? It would give them one lesa thing to complain about, and would make you look generous.

    But you don't, and you're never going to. Weird, right? It's such a little piece of land that nobody cares about. Why be so stubborn about it?
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  95. Stopping blacks from stealing your stuff is *not* ok.

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  96. Art Deco says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    —–Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    Game. Set. Match.

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  97. bomag says:
    @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    Plenty of drug references in the trailer.

    It is basically soft core porn.

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  98. @Harry Baldwin
    I imagine that Lena Dunham would have first-hand knowledge of bakeries located near the Oberlin campus. Exercise facilities, not so much.

    Heh! Not very porciphilic, but funny nonetheless.

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  99. kihowi says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    Ever argued with an unhappy housewife?

    I didn’t do it.
    And if I did, you made me do it.
    And if you didn’t make me, it’s payback for what you did last week.
    And if it’s not payback I don’t even care and I’m happy I did it so there.

    This is sort of a universal template for people who don’t understand the difference between honesty and dishonesty, i.e. mostly everybody except old-fashioned principled white men.

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  100. Jack D says:
    @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not – by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn’t shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But “profiling” or “stereotyping” is perfectly logical – you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.

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    Even if you are a 20 year old black male, you can avoid at least 95% of profiling through the simple expedient of dressing nicely.
    , @AndrewR
    Using fake ID to buy alcohol is "dishonest" in the technical sense but it doesn't make someone a dishonest person. Dishonest people are people who lie, cheat and steal; not simply people who commit victimless crimes.
    , @Din C. Nuffin
    Racist, or Statistical Common Sense?
    , @Anon
    Did everybody else read a different comment by Bill P.? I'm having trouble understanding the responses.
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  101. @jtgw
    True. That's one reason I like anarcho-capitalism and privatization of law and justice.

    Honestly in the coming Shadowrun future the question is do I work for Lone Star or Knight Errant?

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  102. @JSM
    There is NOTHING WRONG, in a poor neighborhood, for the goods to be behind bulletproof glass, the shopper comes to the window, tells the clerk what he wants, the clerk goes and gets it, rings it up, money is passed through a drawer, and then the goods are put through an interlocking door. Man, I would HATE to be a night clerk in a dangerous area without those protections. Sorry if it hurts your pwecious widdle feewings.

    You don't like my way of doing business? It's "discriminatory"? Fine. Figure out a way to go the 30 miles to get to a normal grocery store.

    They’re trying to make bullet proff glass illegal in philadelphia because it hurts peoples feelings.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/council-bill-removal-safety-glass-windows-beer-delis-meeting-20171208.html

    It also led me to buy into another angle of criticism: If shopkeepers are scared of their customers in Philadelphia’s rougher neighborhoods, just sell the shops to people who live in the community and there’s no need to hide behind bulletproof glass to protect themselves.

    This says a lot. That people are resentful of the non black business owners and want to see them killed and driven out. The residents would be better off without people peddling beer and junk food, so they do have a point in that regard.

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    That people are resentful of the non black business owners and want to see them killed and driven out. The residents would be better off without people peddling beer and junk food, so they do have a point in that regard.

     

    After the shopkeepers have packed up and left it's time to start crying about 'food deserts'.
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  103. sabril says:
    @Jack D
    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not - by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn't shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But "profiling" or "stereotyping" is perfectly logical - you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.

    Even if you are a 20 year old black male, you can avoid at least 95% of profiling through the simple expedient of dressing nicely.

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  104. Jack D says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    I was just eating a donut and the hole in the donut reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. Before that, I was crossing the street and almost got splashed by a truck and that reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. In fact, EVERYTHING reminds me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.

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    I know, man. The nakba thing, that was a long time ago. I sure wish the Palestinians would let go of that nakba thing. I mean, it's not like they're the only people in history that have suffered a bad hand. In the fullness of time, they'll let go of it. It's almost like they're using it, both to foster internal unity, and to punish their enemies. Man, that nakba sure was a while back. Time to move on. (Whistles unconvincingly.)

    It's almost like they learned from some other group to nurse their historic grievances!
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  105. @James Kabala
    In principle - yes.

    In terms of the actual practice of college students of all races for the last twenty years or more - no.

    I don't know if the drinking age would be better to be 21 or 18 in theory, but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced. These guys (unless they were also shoplifters, which of course they probably were) got caught for a crime that most of their classmates had also committed and gotten away with.

    … but I think it is dangerous to have a law on the books that is such a complete dead letter. Either it should be repealed or it should be genuinely enforced.

    Yes, that’s the way you get anarcho-tyranny and a host of other ills (think Mexico) – lot’s of laws, but too many or no will to enforce them all – then The Law can get anyone on some charge anytime it wants to.

    About the drinking age law specifically, it moved most of the drinking off-campus, and therefore, kids had to drive to a lot of the places to drink. Yeah, that’s what you want, right?? (Uber has helped a lot, from my U-driver friends take on things, as most of the kids are too lazy to walk a mile – hey it’s good for you to sober up a little bit to prevent the whole dorm room spinning around followed by a number of visits to the porcelain goddess.)

    The biggest effect though, indeed was to enable a whole dorm-room cottage industry of the production of fake ID’s.

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  106. Russ says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "the Gibsons sued Oberlin and Meredith Raimondo, vice president and dean of students, for slander"
     
    Good for the Gibsons! Too many victims of liberal mobs just go fetal and don't hit back. The lib-mobs don't stop until their sponsors start feeling the pain.

    Isolating this cow Raimondo is a very good counter-Alinsky move. All the best to the Gibsons.

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  107. @jtgw
    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.

    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.

    You’re a smart guy, so I take it that’s a rhetorical question.

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I’d guess 95% are net tax eaters. For those sporting little mulattos it’s likely north of 99%.

    (After the immigration disaster, reigning in this disaster of female entitlement is the other key requirement to resuming something akin to civilization.)

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    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I

    Again, a grand total of 1.3% of the population is on the TANF rolls. The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have 'single motherhood' as an eligibility criterion. Impecunious woman working for low-rent employers will qualify for Medicaid (which is much more valuable than SNAP). Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.
    , @Whiskey
    Women love this stuff. They all dream that a mulatto kid is the next Obama. They figure it's better than life with a beta male.

    We are rapidly seeing the new mulatto ruling class with beta White males at the bottom. White women are thus the natural and eternal enemy of the White beta male so therefore female opportunity must be ruthlessly restricted and good luck with that.

    Best strategy is always amp up the alpha as far as each man can go, invest in nothing, be highly mobile, never be complacent or have any illusions
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I've read on Zerohedge a number of times, with nice graphs, that a single mom would have to make just under $60,000 making her and the children's own way before equaling the amount she'd get from living off of Daddy State with a $30,000 salary. I guess we taxpayers are all the Daddies - we should get some wifely benefits too. Hey, that's an idea there. Live off of state benefits and expect a visit from one of your beneficiaries for some return bennies once a week. It'd need a website first ....call it milf.gov
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  108. dearieme says:
    @jtgw
    Interesting. That makes Texas and Ohio like the UK. I thought First Amendment protections put the burden of proof on the plaintiff in all the states, but I guess that isn't true.

    “like the UK”: which bit did you have in mind?

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    English libel laws favor the plaintiff. The plaintiff only has to prove that the statement damaged his reputation, which is pretty easy if the statement is negative in any way (he doesn't need to quantify the damage in any way, e.g. demonstrate lost earnings or job opportunities). The defendant then has to prove the statement is true or else he is liable. I thought in the US libel laws went the other way: plaintiffs had to prove not only that the statement is damaging but that it is false.
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  109. Russ says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    https://transatoberlin.wordpress.com/

    About

    This website was founded as a Winter Term project sponsored by Dean Eric Estes in January 2014, and continued as a private reading with Meredith Raimondo. Inspiration came from the Trans at Oberlin Oberwiki page, which provided resources for trans students. We wanted to expand, update, and publicize this resource in order to address the diverse needs of the Oberlin student body.
     
    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    https://www.oberlin.edu/sites/default/files/styles/width_260/public/content/biography/image/meredith_raimondo.jpg?itok=4XuaX3sg

    Raimondo joined the Oberlin community in 2003, as one of the professors in the newly formed Department of Comparative American Studies. CAS focuses on the comparative,” Raimondo said in 2003, how diversity affects Americans at home and abroad, and what this means when we look at the role of the United States in a global context.

    She has taught courses spanning the themes of gender and sexuality, race and ethnicity studies, social justice, and HIV/AIDS.

    In 2014, she was recognized with an Excellence in Teaching Award and later that year was appointed special assistant to the president for diversity, equity, and inclusion and Title IX coordinator, a position for which she oversees institutional policy to ensure all students’ needs are being met under Title IX guidelines.
     
    This is awesome the greatest issue faced by students and faculty at Oberlin is how they can drive a aging hippy boomer and son family bakery out of business.

    Welcome to "Clown World"!!!

    Thanks for the background. Her ilk is to (traditional) academia what maggots are to once-gourmet cheese. It would be a public service were the Gibsons’ attorney to pound that fact in court. Small wonder that state universities in these parts are begging for applications.

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    A particularly timely article!!!

    American Education is a War on Whites
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/12/10/american-education-is-a-war-on-whites/

    Not surprisingly, the knowledge that all levels of American education show hatred toward White males — either implicitly or explicitly — is the reason that the younger cohort of what constitutes today’s Alt-Right addresses the topic so often. I can think of no better example than Mike Enoch, main host of the “Daily Shoah” on The Right Stuff alternative media platform. He and his fellow hosts speak from personal experience when discussing the hostile environment they encountered in school as White non-Jewish males. Typically, this is from kindergarten on up.
     

    For instance, Ron Unz, a wealthy Jewish businessman who runs The Unz Review, provided us with a stunning 26,000-word treatise that convincingly shows how White Gentiles are systematically excluding from Ivy League schools precisely because undeserving Jewish students are taking their place. Titled “The Myth of Meritocracy”, this seminal essay includes numerous graphs showing that once Jews are disaggregated from Gentile Whites, the number of White students in the Ivy League is drastically out of proportion to the actual number of qualified White students out there. To me, this is part and parcel of higher education’s undeniable War on Whites.
     
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  110. AndrewR says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    ... their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification
     
    Identity theft? I would have thought that stealing ID documents or manufacturing fake ones, or self misrepresentation was a fairly serious crime in its own right.

    It’s obviously not on par with stealing. If you steal from a shop, the owners lose money. Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.

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    Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.
     
    1. How did they procure the ID cards?
    2. For whom is the alcohol intended, where, when and over how long of a period of time?

    I suspect the answer to neither question is particularly reassuring.

    I am sympathetic to the argument that a drinking age of 21 is too high, but only to the same extent that I also think an age of majority of 18 is too low. At the least the two should be reversed. If kids are going to drink, their parents should have at least some power of corralling.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Andrew, Here in WNY the vast majority of stores require you to show proof of age to buy any alcohol product. It doesn't matter if you are a WWI vet pushing a walker. The State Police frequently have underage teens attempt to purchase alcohol at convenience stores. If successful, the cashier is given an appearance ticket and the store is cited, which leads to fines and possible loss of license. The clerks usually lose their jobs. Teens drinking and driving leads to many tragic accidents. There is always a victim in a crime.
    , @Alden
    They beat up the clerk, knocked him down and kicked him. I suppose if the clerk is White it's a victimless crime if the beating is done by blacks.

    The state liquor people send investigators around to check if stores sell liquor to underage customers.
    It's a big violation if they find a clerk accepted a fake ID and sold liquor to a minor. Liquor is one of the most highly regulated products around.

    Stores, bars and restaurants can be heavily fined if found in violation of state liquor laws. A store that sells liquor in a college town is under the scrutiny of the liquor enforcement people all the time. There is a little shopping district neighborhood near me, Westwood. It's right next to a big university The stores near a big university require official photo ID of everyone who buys liquor, even people in their 70's and even the supermarkets checking a big cart full of things.

    The stores have that policy because liquor sales in college towns are always under the gun by the state liquor authorities.
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  111. An interesting side note to the story: it has been reported that for the past few years the University has been trying to negotiate the purchase of some land that the bakery uses as a parking lot but the offers were turned down. Sometimes the answer is as simple as “follow the money”

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  112. Clyde says:

    OT
    In (maybe) groped by Donald Trump news. This same trio accused DJT during last year’s election. Via UK Daily Mail
    “A trio of the president’s accusers reemerged on Monday to hound him for sexually harassing them. Samantha Holvey, Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks had previously made allegations against Trump and appeared on Megyn Kelly”

    https://tinyurl.com/yagcy5fc

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  113. @Jack D
    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store - a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints - these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random - rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can't think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.

    “Hennessey” is easy to rhyme with a lot of words and phrases in interesting ways.

    It really is that simple. Try rapping about “Jameson.” Go ahead, I’ll wait….

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    Rihanna had a song about drinking Jameson a few years ago. Here is the rhyme someone came up with for her:

    Cheers to the freakin' weekend
    I drink to that, yeah yeah
    Oh let the Jameson sink in
    I drink to that, yeah yeah

    I assumed these companies paid songwriters to work their drinks into the songs, but maybe they don't have to pay for the publicity.
    , @Anon
    Don't faze me none, that's lame, me son! Bite a crazy bun for the fame, ya bum!

    Sorry, that's all I've got.
    , @Brutusale
    My beats have made me the famous one,
    Get my Hennessey 'stead of Jameson.
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  114. AndrewR says:
    @Anon
    All the students who were in the demonstration need to be expelled. Take away their chance to get a college education, because if they grow up to have their hands on the levers of power, they'll utterly destroy society. A few of these students will wise up, but when the majority of the student body defends criminals, they're hopeless. These students are a lot more radical than the leftist students of the 1960s were, and they're too dangerous to society for us to make them into elites. They have to be knocked back down into the lower class where they cannot be allowed to make important decisions about the way this country is run.

    University administrators are cowards though.

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  115. AndrewR says:
    @Jack D
    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not - by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn't shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But "profiling" or "stereotyping" is perfectly logical - you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.

    Using fake ID to buy alcohol is “dishonest” in the technical sense but it doesn’t make someone a dishonest person. Dishonest people are people who lie, cheat and steal; not simply people who commit victimless crimes.

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  116. For some reason I think of the scene in The Departed, when the Providence mafia goons are shaking down Babu the brown shopkeeper.

    He tells them he doesn’t have the money because business is bad. They reply “Business is bad? You opened a store in an Irish neighborhood, these are dirty dirty people, sell potatoes”

    On one hand it’s hard for me to be sympathetic to the Gibsons. They have been happily profiting from the bourgeoise “radical” students of Oberlin for decades. Now the students have turned on them – and they complain? They ran a bakery in an SJW neighborhood, these are dirty dirty people.

    Oberlin is making it explicitly clear that businesses in their town have to tolerate theft by blacks. I would say that that was probably already crystal clear, just not spelled out. So they only want businesses who will take a loss for The Cause or who are public corporations who just assume a certain rate of theft as a given. Normie Whites go elsewhere.

    On the other hand, that sucks because there are fewer and fewer elsewheres with the kind of well off customers that exist in Oberlin town.

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    On one hand it’s hard for me to be sympathetic to the Gibsons. They have been happily profiting from the bourgeoise “radical” students of Oberlin for decades.

    You fancy the owner deserves to be robbed and beaten up because he sells pastry to people you find unappealing?
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  117. @JSM
    There is NOTHING WRONG, in a poor neighborhood, for the goods to be behind bulletproof glass, the shopper comes to the window, tells the clerk what he wants, the clerk goes and gets it, rings it up, money is passed through a drawer, and then the goods are put through an interlocking door. Man, I would HATE to be a night clerk in a dangerous area without those protections. Sorry if it hurts your pwecious widdle feewings.

    You don't like my way of doing business? It's "discriminatory"? Fine. Figure out a way to go the 30 miles to get to a normal grocery store.

    Bullet proof glass in stores will be illegal in Philadelphia real soon, because “the safety measure relied on in low-income neighborhoods hurts shoppers’ feelings.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07/outrage-as-philly-pushes-through-ban-on-bulletproof-glass-in-crime-plagued-neighborhood-shops.html

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    Bullet proof glass in stores will be illegal in Philadelphia real soon, because “the safety measure relied on in low-income neighborhoods hurts shoppers’ feelings.”
     
    Time to buy shares in Remington Arms again…...
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  118. What is at stake here is whether or not society will allow blacks to dominate the social spaces. That is true for both public spaces and now private spaces. Blacks are asserting that petty laws such as shop lifting, underage drinking, and using false ID (passing bad checks, illegal immigration, wearing mask in public, anonymous mob violence) are basically black rights and must must not be legally enforced, hence the need to challenge the business owners even on their turf. With group shout downs and physical intimidation in public spaces occurs whites too often slink out without asserting their rights to assemble and conduct free speech. But in this case where you have an entire family who is cornered and has their, property, professional reputation, and livelihood on the line, they have no choice but to fight.

    Whites need to learn how to fight back. Hopefully Hannity of Carlson will take this up. All it would take is 1,000,000 people donating $1 to this family to send the message to the black mob that they need to pick their fights more carefully.

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    There's an element of truth to what you're saying. One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people). Also, the okupiers and masked antifa clowns are (with scant doubt) bourgeois whites.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Fare-jumping on public transport also.
    , @Jack D
    Gibson's operates a mail order website:

    https://www.gibsonsbakeryandcandy.com/shop

    I'm sure lots of people are in the market for holiday gifts right now and Gibson's could use the business. They sound like honest hardworking people and I think they'd rather have the business than have people send them handouts.
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  119. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Just ask the Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’, even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more ‘settlers’.

    About 150,000 (out of 2.8 million) Arabs live in that portion of the West Bank where the settlements are located. About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; 'colonization' means another cottage built. Another 15% live in Modin Illit, which is smack on the Green Line.

    About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built.

    I see. Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back? It would give them one lesa thing to complain about, and would make you look generous.

    But you don’t, and you’re never going to. Weird, right? It’s such a little piece of land that nobody cares about. Why be so stubborn about it?

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    Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back?

    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal. They don't want it back, which is why six initiatives in the last 50 years to devolve authority in the West Bank and Gaza or turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews. You can examine the public opinion surveys done on the West Bank and in Gaza or look at the sparse election returns in the territory. North of 1/3 of the Arab public want the State of Israel dissolved. Another 30% insist that Israel must accept unlimited Arab immigration as part of any 'peace' deal. They're not in a position to dictate terms to the Jews, but they've elected to play let's pretend, a maneuver made easier by endless subsidies via UNRWA.

    None of this is esoteric information, so what's your excuse?

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  120. Deckin says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    Isn’t the whole point of the Adverse Impact Rule that one can prove racism with a spreadsheet?

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  121. Alden says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    I just got the phone call from my sister.....my beautifull Irish-Italian-German Niece was almost blown to pieces today in NYC.... very close....had a bad feeling all week....

    So happy she is Ok and only the bomber was hurt. News is that he told police his motive was because the Americans are bombing his home country Bangladesh.

    Did we start a new war last night?

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  122. George says:

    After thinking about it Gibson’s Bakery and Candy (and Alchohol) is 100% in the wrong. If you are a business like Gibson’s and you are in the unenviable position of having a single large customer like Oberlin you are required to do what that customer requests. Oberlin did not want to be embarrassed by some local yokle confectionary subcontractor, but that bakery insisted on prosecuting the Oberlin 2. The phrase for the day your number #1 customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

    Selling alcohol changes the relationship with your customers, another reason Gibson is in the wrong.

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    They weren't a contractor for Oberlin. Oberlin clientele shopped there.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    George, Oberlin is in Ohio. A lot of stores in Ohio, not just shady hood shops, sell wine and beer. And decent wine too! Liquor sales require a different level of license, but many of the larger grocery stores have a separate in store liquor shop, where you pay for your purchase separate from your groceries etc.
    , @Tex
    I never thought of that before. From now on I'll insist that all contracts include the right for my staff to steal from the contractor and a corresponding right to assault the contractor if they object.

    Now if only you can get the yokels to sign contracts with neighboring institutions, who aren't actually buying anything.
    , @Alden
    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    I guess you don't realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?

    So Gibson's should hand over their stock to any and everyone who walks in the store and "requests" to be given something without paying?

    Or is your post sarcastic?
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  123. Abe says: • Website
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.

    But maybe it’s not a twist. Who else is celebrated for their refined- almost angelic- grace, and then excused- nay, cheered on- for their occasional warlike outbursts? Why nobles, of course! Moldbug sketched this out a while ago, and it’s gone from poor satire to the cusp of reality much quicker than I imagined. Blacks are the new nobility, an object of veneration moon-faced, Lutheran Church-attending, Hajnal Line whites had to provide for themselves once traditional sources of meaning broke down. And so of course this villain baker was in the wrong! Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)! And here again!! Perchance a good cuffing will re-learn you your manners!

    Obama has chosen Kehinde Wiley to do his Presidential portrait, a black artist who specializes in producing hip-hopified/ghetto-fabulous versions of Old Master classics (and, yes, he’s gay):

    https://qz.com/1102633/former-us-president-barack-obama-picks-kehinde-wiley-to-paint-his-official-presidential-portrait-for-the-smithsonian-national-portrait-gallery/

    So now this blacks-as-the-new-aristocracy zeitgeist has its first visual documentarian.

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    Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)!

    And don't forget gentle giant Michael Brown and his cigars.

    GTHM or Gots to have me!

    The Mr Show skit perfectly encapsulated the black attitude and mentality, though imitated by white guys.

    Why did he jay-walk? "I aint got no flying shoes." So, unless whites supply him with 'flying shoes', he has a right to jay walk.

    https://youtu.be/eAykWCUBw28?t=3m27s
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Abe, Will the portrait be on velvet. Canvas is so European.
    , @Marat
    The interviewer gets in a couple of smirks between fake smiles. That's gotta be tiresome to the artist, who seems, on the whole, much happier and better-natured than TaNishi.
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  124. @Jack D
    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not - by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn't shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But "profiling" or "stereotyping" is perfectly logical - you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.

    Racist, or Statistical Common Sense?

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  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    I could see that if I were an honest black person (which these boys were not - by their own admission they were at the very least guilty of underage purchasing, which BTW can cost a merchant his liquor license) having store clerks follow me around to make sure I wasn't shoplifting would be annoying, as would be not having cabs stop for me, etc. But "profiling" or "stereotyping" is perfectly logical - you go with the odds and the odds are much better that a black customer is going to be shoplifting or robbing the cab driver. If blacks are angry, they should be angry with their brothers who have given their race such a bad reputation and not with the white shopkeepers who are just trying not to go broke.

    Did everybody else read a different comment by Bill P.? I’m having trouble understanding the responses.

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  126. utu says:
    @Anon
    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    This was the basis of BLM nonsense.

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their 'coolness' and rage.

    So, "it's damned if you do, damned if you don't" for whites.
    If you suspect blacks of thieving, you are a 'racist'. (Btw, I'm the only true race-ist.)
    And if it turns out the blacks DID steal, it was hip and cool, like what the guy says at the end of COOLEY HIGH. "I can steal too good not to survive." Or those blacks stealing in China just brushed off as a 'mistake', same excuse used by Obama who destroyed Libya. Worse, letting black athletes off the hook even after rape accusations.

    And if the 'cool' excuse fails, there is the rage excuse. It be payback for slavery, dammit.
    The Radio Raheem excuse.

    The Template favors blacks even when they do wrong. Even when whites have legit reason to suspect black misbehavior, they are at fault for the slightest negative aspersions about blacks.

    It is an article of faith that we must honor Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Just ask the Palestinians who are always 'wrong', even when opposing the colonization of their remaining land by more 'settlers'. Whites are being Palestinianized, and of course, those libby dibs at Oberlin are privileged shi*s who can live in their own bubble since they don't have to deal with raw reality.

    Palestinians who are always ‘wrong’

    Perfect point.

    BTW: The two shomers of Jewish narrative have already objected to your comment.

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  127. rogue-one says:
    @DCThrowback
    "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet," said Kameron Dunbar, an Oberlin junior and vice chair of the student senate.

    -----If only!!!

    The clash has inspired Oberlin senior Jake Berstein, who said he witnessed the initial altercation, to produce a podcast trying to create a conversation that "isn't being had" between the two sides.

    "Gibson's has become all that is wrong with America," Berstein said. "It's a classic case of those political bubbles that don't communicate with each other, and don't want to."

    -----Jacob Berstein has a bright future ahead of him at the Atlantic.

    “Racism can’t always be proven on an Excel sheet,”

    It also means that racism lies in the eyes of beholder. A “person of color” can accuse any white person of racism and no bending backwards of whites can absolve them of the charge of racism as the evidence will always be subjective and arbitrary.

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  128. @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    Why wouldn’t a bakery sell wine?

    By the way, college kids don’t drink wine.

    And why would wine attract shoplifters?

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    Good point, was it MD 20/20 or Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2015?
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  129. @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    Why not sell wine in a bakery? Do you know the business better than the business owner? Not even a good attempt at deflecting from the real issue. Were those teenagers, who happened to be Oberlin College students, caught shoplifting?

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  130. OT

    The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief’s decision, transgender people should be allowed to “serve” (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)

    I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing. After all, the US military will have less resources left to start some stupid Middle East wars or a nuclear war against North Korea or WW3 against Russia or a “limited war” against China or somesuch. The US military has so far been a tool of the neocons and our liberal overlords, even under Trump so far (see Syria or Yemen), so the weaker it gets, the better for the rest of us.

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    “The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief’s decision, transgender people should be allowed to “serve” (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)
    I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing.”

    They’re disobeying the order of a lawfully seated Commander in Chief. It is a bad thing.
    , @Pericles

    The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief’s decision, transgender people should be allowed to “serve” (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)

     

    Hooray for Hardcore Mattis.

    Because of the President, these brave ... people? ... should be ostentatiously awarded post-surgery Purple Hearts. Thank you for your service. America owes you a great debt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI

    Fade to black.
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  131. AndrewR says:
    @Kevin in Ohio
    At this point, it's frankly their fault.

    Everyone knows what Oberlin is about. It's not a secret.

    If you're a CIS white male, no matter what your political stripe, they will eventually come for you. You've should have seen the writing on the wall by now...

    A bit harsh but I concur. People need to learn that actions have consequences. When you set up shop next to one of the most toxic universities in the US, this is a very predictable outcome.

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    There is no university in Oberlin, Ohio. The college a teaching institution with a couple thousand students. The shop's been there for over a century. Oberlin's toxic politics it's a reasonable wager do not predate 1960. It's also a reasonable wager that the witless politics of the college's faculty and administration have had little direct impact on local merchants.
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  132. @jimmyriddle
    Sailer calls it undocumented shopping.

    Sailer calls it undocumented shopping.

    Shopping doesn’t require or necessarily result in documents, but a purchase produces a receipt.

    It makes more sense to say shoplifting is an undocumented purchase.

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  133. fish says:
    @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    They need to hold something back for Season 2.

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  134. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad

    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.
     
    You're a smart guy, so I take it that's a rhetorical question.

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I'd guess 95% are net tax eaters. For those sporting little mulattos it's likely north of 99%.

    (After the immigration disaster, reigning in this disaster of female entitlement is the other key requirement to resuming something akin to civilization.)

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I

    Again, a grand total of 1.3% of the population is on the TANF rolls. The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have ‘single motherhood’ as an eligibility criterion. Impecunious woman working for low-rent employers will qualify for Medicaid (which is much more valuable than SNAP). Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

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    The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have ‘single motherhood’ as an eligibility criterion.

     

    You do realize that in the real world, people get benefits by going into welfare offices and asking for them, and the people on the other side of the table are blithely unconcerned about any "eligibility criterion" and far more concerned with racial solidarity or "social justice," which is why tons and tons of ineligible people are happily receiving benefits.

    Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

     

    That's what off-the-books jobs are for. And/or fake Social Security Numbers.

    Cheating. It's a thing. Immigrants are exceptionally good at it.
    , @stillCARealist
    No, but a large percentage of SNAP users are single-mother households. I see them every time I'm at Walmart. Medicaid, in my state, is almost ubiquitous. Everybody below the middle class qualifies.

    The single mothers of America are very expensive and you know this Art. Expensive for gov't services, for school services, for families that help out, for the parents themselves (if the dad is involved), for churches that help out, for private charities that help out. Heck, as a private individual I find myself helping single moms in my orbit simply because they're stretched to the limit. Our church has entire ministries that are centered on trying to rescue the wild and neglected children of single moms, with only occasional successes.
    , @Brutusale
    Almost one in five Massachusetts residents receive a Medicaid benefit. The average welfare benefit here his higher than the median salary for those in the workforce.

    https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/16/is-welfare-the-highest-paying-entry-level-job-in-35-states-read-the-study-again/?utm_term=.034f1896ecfb

    If there's a single mother living in the "new" gentrified Southie, where rent on a two-bedroom apartment is north of $3,000, she's in the Old Colony Projects and is on welfare.
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  135. Art Deco says:
    @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    I take it shoplifting is one of your hobbies.

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  136. donut says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    Think about the possibilities . Baby’s daddy showing up infrequently to mooch off of her and beat her ass . Navigating her way thru the welfare system . The nonstop drama with his other babies’ mommas . The neighborhood donnybrooks . And for the grand finale he can come by and murder her and the kid true to life like that if nothing else about the show .

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  137. fish says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Bullet proof glass in stores will be illegal in Philadelphia real soon, because "the safety measure relied on in low-income neighborhoods hurts shoppers' feelings."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07/outrage-as-philly-pushes-through-ban-on-bulletproof-glass-in-crime-plagued-neighborhood-shops.html

    Bullet proof glass in stores will be illegal in Philadelphia real soon, because “the safety measure relied on in low-income neighborhoods hurts shoppers’ feelings.”

    Time to buy shares in Remington Arms again……

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  138. @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    Using your illogical excuse; why sell any commodity ; it’s just a ” magnet ” to be shoplifted ? Why sell cars to customers; it’s magnet for ” carjackers or auto-thieves ” ?

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  139. Art Deco says:
    @George
    After thinking about it Gibson's Bakery and Candy (and Alchohol) is 100% in the wrong. If you are a business like Gibson's and you are in the unenviable position of having a single large customer like Oberlin you are required to do what that customer requests. Oberlin did not want to be embarrassed by some local yokle confectionary subcontractor, but that bakery insisted on prosecuting the Oberlin 2. The phrase for the day your number #1 customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

    Selling alcohol changes the relationship with your customers, another reason Gibson is in the wrong.

    They weren’t a contractor for Oberlin. Oberlin clientele shopped there.

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    "They weren’t a contractor for Oberin"

    Those White Priviledge conferences have massive catering. The Obis probably paid extra for Gibson's not being a chain. The university expense account itself was probably their biggest customer. So Gibson's should have swallowed their pride and let the Black kids off.
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  140. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Gibson’s has a 4.8 rating on facebook, 174 reviews, sounds like he isn’t having much trouble and isn’t it odd that a donut shop sells alcohol? Ohio sure is a weird place.
    What a great piece of writing by Kang. ID theft is no laughing matter, happened to me frequently just can’t prove it. It almost got me killed more than once but can’t seem to do anything about it. No one volunteers for that.

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    What a great piece of writing by Kang.

    Yeah, it's a well-done article. I didn't excerpt the better parts, but this Kang guy at AP isn't dumb.

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  141. Art Deco says:
    @27 year old
    For some reason I think of the scene in The Departed, when the Providence mafia goons are shaking down Babu the brown shopkeeper.

    He tells them he doesn't have the money because business is bad. They reply "Business is bad? You opened a store in an Irish neighborhood, these are dirty dirty people, sell potatoes"

    On one hand it's hard for me to be sympathetic to the Gibsons. They have been happily profiting from the bourgeoise "radical" students of Oberlin for decades. Now the students have turned on them - and they complain? They ran a bakery in an SJW neighborhood, these are dirty dirty people.

    Oberlin is making it explicitly clear that businesses in their town have to tolerate theft by blacks. I would say that that was probably already crystal clear, just not spelled out. So they only want businesses who will take a loss for The Cause or who are public corporations who just assume a certain rate of theft as a given. Normie Whites go elsewhere.

    On the other hand, that sucks because there are fewer and fewer elsewheres with the kind of well off customers that exist in Oberlin town.

    On one hand it’s hard for me to be sympathetic to the Gibsons. They have been happily profiting from the bourgeoise “radical” students of Oberlin for decades.

    You fancy the owner deserves to be robbed and beaten up because he sells pastry to people you find unappealing?

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  142. Art Deco says:
    @Prof. Woland
    What is at stake here is whether or not society will allow blacks to dominate the social spaces. That is true for both public spaces and now private spaces. Blacks are asserting that petty laws such as shop lifting, underage drinking, and using false ID (passing bad checks, illegal immigration, wearing mask in public, anonymous mob violence) are basically black rights and must must not be legally enforced, hence the need to challenge the business owners even on their turf. With group shout downs and physical intimidation in public spaces occurs whites too often slink out without asserting their rights to assemble and conduct free speech. But in this case where you have an entire family who is cornered and has their, property, professional reputation, and livelihood on the line, they have no choice but to fight.

    Whites need to learn how to fight back. Hopefully Hannity of Carlson will take this up. All it would take is 1,000,000 people donating $1 to this family to send the message to the black mob that they need to pick their fights more carefully.

    There’s an element of truth to what you’re saying. One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people). Also, the okupiers and masked antifa clowns are (with scant doubt) bourgeois whites.

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    One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people).

     

    To respond in your own inimitable style:

    A record 3.8 million black immigrants live in the United States today, more than four times the number in 1980, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. Black immigrants now account for 8.7% of the nation’s black population, nearly triple their share in 1980.

    Rapid growth in the black immigrant population is expected to continue. The Census Bureau projects that by 2060, 16.5% of U.S. blacks will be immigrants. In certain metropolitan areas, foreign-born blacks make up a significant share of the overall black population. For example, among the metropolitan areas with the largest black populations, roughly a third of blacks (34%) living in the Miami metro area are immigrants. In the New York metro area, that share is 28%. And in the Washington, D.C., area, it is 15%.

    As for black immigrants being "not typically problem people," I'm not even going to try to respond to something that absurd.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise

    From the Wahington Post ( April 9, 2015):


    A record 3.8 million foreign-born blacks now live in the United States, the Pew Research Center reported Thursday. The influx means that the share of foreign-born blacks, largely from Africa and the Caribbean, has grown from 3.1 percent of the black population in 1980 to 8.7 percent in 2013. By 2060, 16.5 percent of the U.S. black population will be foreign-born, the report says.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black-immigration-is-remaking-us-black-population-report-says/2015/04/09/ded49c58-de29-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html?utm_term=.022948bae9e5
    , @Prof. Woland
    Blacks are less likely to be immigrants but their political interests seem to align themselves almost every time. The biggest 'red meat' get out the vote issue for both Latinos and blacks revolves around being able to obfuscate someone's real identity. For Latinos it is helping illegals hide in the proverbial shadow and for blacks it is claiming that the white man is trying to nullify their votes. Requiring secure bio-metric tamper proof ID would go a long way to solving both issues. But that is why we don't have it by now. Also, things such as check fraud, hiding inside a violent mob behind a mask also revolve around anonymity. Blacks are trying to sew chaos while the normal law abiding people are trying to stop it.
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  143. Art Deco says:
    @AndrewR
    A bit harsh but I concur. People need to learn that actions have consequences. When you set up shop next to one of the most toxic universities in the US, this is a very predictable outcome.

    There is no university in Oberlin, Ohio. The college a teaching institution with a couple thousand students. The shop’s been there for over a century. Oberlin’s toxic politics it’s a reasonable wager do not predate 1960. It’s also a reasonable wager that the witless politics of the college’s faculty and administration have had little direct impact on local merchants.

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  144. Shaq says:

    “…the shopkeeper, Allyn Gibson, said the students attacked him….”

    Allyn? Him? Sounds like he’s on the other team and the transgressors didn’t care. Time to go back to Allen.

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  145. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    ...

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.
     

    But maybe it's not a twist. Who else is celebrated for their refined- almost angelic- grace, and then excused- nay, cheered on- for their occasional warlike outbursts? Why nobles, of course! Moldbug sketched this out a while ago, and it's gone from poor satire to the cusp of reality much quicker than I imagined. Blacks are the new nobility, an object of veneration moon-faced, Lutheran Church-attending, Hajnal Line whites had to provide for themselves once traditional sources of meaning broke down. And so of course this villain baker was in the wrong! Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)! And here again!! Perchance a good cuffing will re-learn you your manners!

    Obama has chosen Kehinde Wiley to do his Presidential portrait, a black artist who specializes in producing hip-hopified/ghetto-fabulous versions of Old Master classics (and, yes, he's gay):

    https://qz.com/1102633/former-us-president-barack-obama-picks-kehinde-wiley-to-paint-his-official-presidential-portrait-for-the-smithsonian-national-portrait-gallery/

    So now this blacks-as-the-new-aristocracy zeitgeist has its first visual documentarian.

    Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)!

    And don’t forget gentle giant Michael Brown and his cigars.

    GTHM or Gots to have me!

    The Mr Show skit perfectly encapsulated the black attitude and mentality, though imitated by white guys.

    Why did he jay-walk? “I aint got no flying shoes.” So, unless whites supply him with ‘flying shoes’, he has a right to jay walk.

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  146. Zach says:

    Seattle had a situation where an old neighborhood bakery had to fire a black employee for being rude to customers. Of course, the NAACP arranged demonstrations outside the bakery. Surprisingly, the locals stood by the bakery and it stayed in business. For once Seattleites didn’t grandstand by showing off their PC sensitivity.

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  147. @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    I just got the phone call from my sister.....my beautifull Irish-Italian-German Niece was almost blown to pieces today in NYC.... very close....had a bad feeling all week....

    Thankfully it was almost. I hate terrorists who take out their anger in not being able to create anything good on those nations that can.

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  148. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built.

    I see. Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back? It would give them one lesa thing to complain about, and would make you look generous.

    But you don't, and you're never going to. Weird, right? It's such a little piece of land that nobody cares about. Why be so stubborn about it?

    Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back?

    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal. They don’t want it back, which is why six initiatives in the last 50 years to devolve authority in the West Bank and Gaza or turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews. You can examine the public opinion surveys done on the West Bank and in Gaza or look at the sparse election returns in the territory. North of 1/3 of the Arab public want the State of Israel dissolved. Another 30% insist that Israel must accept unlimited Arab immigration as part of any ‘peace’ deal. They’re not in a position to dictate terms to the Jews, but they’ve elected to play let’s pretend, a maneuver made easier by endless subsidies via UNRWA.

    None of this is esoteric information, so what’s your excuse?

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    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal.

    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don't really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews.

    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    I thought you people were supposed to be smart?

    None of this is esoteric information, so what’s your excuse?

    My excuse is I don't believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I don't care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

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  149. Barnard says:
    @Autochthon
    "Hennessey" is easy to rhyme with a lot of words and phrases in interesting ways.

    It really is that simple. Try rapping about "Jameson." Go ahead, I'll wait....

    Rihanna had a song about drinking Jameson a few years ago. Here is the rhyme someone came up with for her:

    Cheers to the freakin’ weekend
    I drink to that, yeah yeah
    Oh let the Jameson sink in
    I drink to that, yeah yeah

    I assumed these companies paid songwriters to work their drinks into the songs, but maybe they don’t have to pay for the publicity.

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  150. @Anonymous
    Plan A for Gibson’s to stop black shop lifting: Play classical music. It’s krypronite to black people, who won’t enter malls or stores where it can be heard in the background.

    Plan B: Stop selling booze and sunglasses.

    Anonymous, Oberlin has a Music Conservatory, where they teach all things musical. A few years back the black student body presented a list of demands to the college president, among them was a demand to cease teaching classical (European) music, including such things as scales and chords and emphasize Afrocentric music, such as drumming. I am awaiting the day that the local philharmonic puts on an Afrocentric concert to a sold out audience.

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  151. @Jack D
    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store - a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints - these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random - rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can't think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.

    Jack D, I remember reading that some pro athletes like to sneak their own bottles of high priced liquor into “Bottle Bars” to avoid paying the establishment’s price.

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  152. @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    I watched several football games yesterday while doing other computer stuff, and I was astounded at the number of commercials with mixed race families. I think Amazon was the worst.

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  153. Whiskey says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.
     
    You're a smart guy, so I take it that's a rhetorical question.

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I'd guess 95% are net tax eaters. For those sporting little mulattos it's likely north of 99%.

    (After the immigration disaster, reigning in this disaster of female entitlement is the other key requirement to resuming something akin to civilization.)

    Women love this stuff. They all dream that a mulatto kid is the next Obama. They figure it’s better than life with a beta male.

    We are rapidly seeing the new mulatto ruling class with beta White males at the bottom. White women are thus the natural and eternal enemy of the White beta male so therefore female opportunity must be ruthlessly restricted and good luck with that.

    Best strategy is always amp up the alpha as far as each man can go, invest in nothing, be highly mobile, never be complacent or have any illusions

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    Stop watching your black and White porn and get out and meet some real White women.
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  154. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Oh my these bakers have balls the size of Wedding Cakes. They are literally taking on the fire breathing dragon of our modern clown world.

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.

    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    Steve you should be able to get a least one post a week out of this developing story.

    I larfed out loud at someone who would put her pronouns as the very first item on her official professional bio:

    Meredith Raimondo

    (she/her/hers)

    Derision take the lot of them.

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    Yes the pronouns preference is a good indication of the level of insanity we are dealing with.

    My only question is if we dealing with a "Tranny Tranny" or an "Autogynephiliac".

    Steve is under the impression that the "Autogynephiliacs" tend to be the most domineering and career climbing as seems to be case here.
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  155. @Stick
    As a Presbyterian, I'd like to apologize on behalf of these freaks. This is why I no longer bother belonging to a church.

    Becoming unchurched is no slight to these SJWs. In fact, secularization is part of their plan.

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    But they keep changing the church and the bible to accept them, the ones who don't want to live by the churches rules. I can live by God/Jesus without going to church easier than if I did.
    I also have the benefit of not following their rules when it suits me, like forgiving those who trespass against me over and over again, that's like "oh! No, I don't".
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  156. Nico says:
    @AndrewR
    It's obviously not on par with stealing. If you steal from a shop, the owners lose money. Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.

    Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.

    1. How did they procure the ID cards?
    2. For whom is the alcohol intended, where, when and over how long of a period of time?

    I suspect the answer to neither question is particularly reassuring.

    I am sympathetic to the argument that a drinking age of 21 is too high, but only to the same extent that I also think an age of majority of 18 is too low. At the least the two should be reversed. If kids are going to drink, their parents should have at least some power of corralling.

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  157. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back?

    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal. They don't want it back, which is why six initiatives in the last 50 years to devolve authority in the West Bank and Gaza or turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews. You can examine the public opinion surveys done on the West Bank and in Gaza or look at the sparse election returns in the territory. North of 1/3 of the Arab public want the State of Israel dissolved. Another 30% insist that Israel must accept unlimited Arab immigration as part of any 'peace' deal. They're not in a position to dictate terms to the Jews, but they've elected to play let's pretend, a maneuver made easier by endless subsidies via UNRWA.

    None of this is esoteric information, so what's your excuse?

    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal.

    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don’t really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews.

    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    I thought you people were supposed to be smart?

    None of this is esoteric information, so what’s your excuse?

    My excuse is I don’t believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

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    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don’t really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value. And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.


    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    They don't need a reason to hate Jews. Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.



    My excuse is I don’t believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    The history of the last 50 years is what it has been. It doesn't change that you elect to play let's pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself. I see you don't like Ulster protestants any better than you like Jews.


    Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

    The Arabs on the West Bank are not oppressed. They're subsidized extensively by foreign countries. The territories are a dump, but that's largely their doing, in part from their deficits of entrepreneurship and in part from their refusal to do anything sensible about their political situation (which would include cutting a deal with their Jewish neighbors, something they refuse to do. The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.
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  158. @stillCARealist
    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that's illegal too. What's wrong with these guys that they couldn't find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.

    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one.

    I never saw one either, but I knew quite a few people who would use the ID of an older friend or sibling. That seems to be the way to go.

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  159. @AndrewR
    It's obviously not on par with stealing. If you steal from a shop, the owners lose money. Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.

    Andrew, Here in WNY the vast majority of stores require you to show proof of age to buy any alcohol product. It doesn’t matter if you are a WWI vet pushing a walker. The State Police frequently have underage teens attempt to purchase alcohol at convenience stores. If successful, the cashier is given an appearance ticket and the store is cited, which leads to fines and possible loss of license. The clerks usually lose their jobs. Teens drinking and driving leads to many tragic accidents. There is always a victim in a crime.

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    Most drunk drivers aren't teens, and I imagine most teens don't drive drunk. Plus, drunk driving is already illegal.

    As for the fines/penalties for the store, stores are almost certainly not punished for selling alcohol to a minor if the minor displays ID that fits the following three criteria: appears to be legitimate ID, appears to be the ID of the person displaying it, and displays a birth date at least 21 years prior to the date on which the alcohol is purchased.

    And even if the store/clerk is punished, that's obviously the fault of the state not the minor. Let's say I tell Sailer: "do not publish Buffalo Joe's comments or I'll crush your kneecaps". He later publishes a comment of yours and I follow through on my threat. Are you at fault? Of course not, even if you knew of my threat before submitting the comment that would eventually lead me to crushing Sailer's kneecaps. And if we're honest, are all minors using fake ID even aware of the vaguest possibility of the vendor being punished? On the occasions I used fake ID as a minor, I don't think it ever crossed my mind that anyone but me could be punished for my choice to use fake ID.
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  160. Jack D says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I think just calling a pastry "Danish" constitutes a kind of microaggresssion.

    three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine
     
    No malt liquor for this crew. Oberlin students they are. Made it they have! High-fallutin' shop-liftin'!

    They didn’t say whether it was MD 20/20 or not.

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  161. @George
    After thinking about it Gibson's Bakery and Candy (and Alchohol) is 100% in the wrong. If you are a business like Gibson's and you are in the unenviable position of having a single large customer like Oberlin you are required to do what that customer requests. Oberlin did not want to be embarrassed by some local yokle confectionary subcontractor, but that bakery insisted on prosecuting the Oberlin 2. The phrase for the day your number #1 customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

    Selling alcohol changes the relationship with your customers, another reason Gibson is in the wrong.

    George, Oberlin is in Ohio. A lot of stores in Ohio, not just shady hood shops, sell wine and beer. And decent wine too! Liquor sales require a different level of license, but many of the larger grocery stores have a separate in store liquor shop, where you pay for your purchase separate from your groceries etc.

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  162. @Abe

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    ...

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.
     

    But maybe it's not a twist. Who else is celebrated for their refined- almost angelic- grace, and then excused- nay, cheered on- for their occasional warlike outbursts? Why nobles, of course! Moldbug sketched this out a while ago, and it's gone from poor satire to the cusp of reality much quicker than I imagined. Blacks are the new nobility, an object of veneration moon-faced, Lutheran Church-attending, Hajnal Line whites had to provide for themselves once traditional sources of meaning broke down. And so of course this villain baker was in the wrong! Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)! And here again!! Perchance a good cuffing will re-learn you your manners!

    Obama has chosen Kehinde Wiley to do his Presidential portrait, a black artist who specializes in producing hip-hopified/ghetto-fabulous versions of Old Master classics (and, yes, he's gay):

    https://qz.com/1102633/former-us-president-barack-obama-picks-kehinde-wiley-to-paint-his-official-presidential-portrait-for-the-smithsonian-national-portrait-gallery/

    So now this blacks-as-the-new-aristocracy zeitgeist has its first visual documentarian.

    Abe, Will the portrait be on velvet. Canvas is so European.

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  163. @Russ
    Thanks for the background. Her ilk is to (traditional) academia what maggots are to once-gourmet cheese. It would be a public service were the Gibsons' attorney to pound that fact in court. Small wonder that state universities in these parts are begging for applications.

    A particularly timely article!!!

    American Education is a War on Whites

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/12/10/american-education-is-a-war-on-whites/

    Not surprisingly, the knowledge that all levels of American education show hatred toward White males — either implicitly or explicitly — is the reason that the younger cohort of what constitutes today’s Alt-Right addresses the topic so often. I can think of no better example than Mike Enoch, main host of the “Daily Shoah” on The Right Stuff alternative media platform. He and his fellow hosts speak from personal experience when discussing the hostile environment they encountered in school as White non-Jewish males. Typically, this is from kindergarten on up.

    For instance, Ron Unz, a wealthy Jewish businessman who runs The Unz Review, provided us with a stunning 26,000-word treatise that convincingly shows how White Gentiles are systematically excluding from Ivy League schools precisely because undeserving Jewish students are taking their place. Titled “The Myth of Meritocracy”, this seminal essay includes numerous graphs showing that once Jews are disaggregated from Gentile Whites, the number of White students in the Ivy League is drastically out of proportion to the actual number of qualified White students out there. To me, this is part and parcel of higher education’s undeniable War on Whites.

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  164. Off-topic but very relevant:

    I dunno if Steve watches it regularly (it can be hit-or-miss) but the latest episode of South Park could have been written by Steve, Mr. Derbyshire, and a few other realists with a mischievous streak. It’s so damned dense with goodness. The White families complaints that they were in the area before the interlopers and they have their own problems but no one gives a hoot in Hell about them, the send-up of men and women being attracted to people they spend all their time with at work, the irrational reactions to the president. Never has a cartoon been so topical yet timeless as this episode.

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  165. OT , but worthy of mention is a story about libs. The Buffalo News today features a front page story citing that Buffalo teachers, through their union, are complaining that a new disciplinary practice in Buffalo schools, called “restorative discipline”, has led to trouble makers being returned almost immediately to the classroom. This restorative policy reduces suspension which disproportionately affect minority students. I find it poetic justice when liberal policies affect liberals in an adverse manner.

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    Totally. I have to scratch my head when I hear liberals complain about the public schools. Why? Those problems are just the logical result of all the stuff they believe in.
    , @eah
    Except it also probably affects other kids who are there to learn. Ostensibly.
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  166. @Percy Gryce
    I larfed out loud at someone who would put her pronouns as the very first item on her official professional bio:

    Meredith Raimondo

    (she/her/hers)

    Derision take the lot of them.

    Yes the pronouns preference is a good indication of the level of insanity we are dealing with.

    My only question is if we dealing with a “Tranny Tranny” or an “Autogynephiliac”.

    Steve is under the impression that the “Autogynephiliacs” tend to be the most domineering and career climbing as seems to be case here.

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  167. Ivy says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    Does that show come on before or after Cops?

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  168. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    "Hennessey" is easy to rhyme with a lot of words and phrases in interesting ways.

    It really is that simple. Try rapping about "Jameson." Go ahead, I'll wait....

    Don’t faze me none, that’s lame, me son! Bite a crazy bun for the fame, ya bum!

    Sorry, that’s all I’ve got.

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  169. peterike says:
    @Art Deco
    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I

    Again, a grand total of 1.3% of the population is on the TANF rolls. The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have 'single motherhood' as an eligibility criterion. Impecunious woman working for low-rent employers will qualify for Medicaid (which is much more valuable than SNAP). Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

    The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have ‘single motherhood’ as an eligibility criterion.

    You do realize that in the real world, people get benefits by going into welfare offices and asking for them, and the people on the other side of the table are blithely unconcerned about any “eligibility criterion” and far more concerned with racial solidarity or “social justice,” which is why tons and tons of ineligible people are happily receiving benefits.

    Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

    That’s what off-the-books jobs are for. And/or fake Social Security Numbers.

    Cheating. It’s a thing. Immigrants are exceptionally good at it.

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    You do realize that in the real world, people get benefits by going into welfare offices and asking for them, and the people on the other side of the table are blithely unconcerned about any “eligibility criterion” and far more concerned with racial solidarity or “social justice,” which is why tons and tons of ineligible people are happily receiving benefits.

    What, people concealing income? Off the books employment? Which audit discovered that?
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  170. peterike says:
    @Art Deco
    There's an element of truth to what you're saying. One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people). Also, the okupiers and masked antifa clowns are (with scant doubt) bourgeois whites.

    One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people).

    To respond in your own inimitable style:

    A record 3.8 million black immigrants live in the United States today, more than four times the number in 1980, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. Black immigrants now account for 8.7% of the nation’s black population, nearly triple their share in 1980.

    Rapid growth in the black immigrant population is expected to continue. The Census Bureau projects that by 2060, 16.5% of U.S. blacks will be immigrants. In certain metropolitan areas, foreign-born blacks make up a significant share of the overall black population. For example, among the metropolitan areas with the largest black populations, roughly a third of blacks (34%) living in the Miami metro area are immigrants. In the New York metro area, that share is 28%. And in the Washington, D.C., area, it is 15%.

    As for black immigrants being “not typically problem people,” I’m not even going to try to respond to something that absurd.

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  171. @Bill P
    Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers -- they are all facing unjust discrimination.

    Seriously, it's a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

    I think it's wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

    People don't take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are "punching down" so to speak. Isn't it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people's labor, after all, so it's only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

    “I think it’s wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?”

    The major chains don’t charge anymore in the ghetto than in the burbs. I’ve been to a ghetto Walmart a few times. Cameras are ubiquitous and self-checkout is nonexistent, but the prices are exactly the same. Maybe convenience stores charge more, but they charge more everywhere. The real question is why there isn’t an Apple Store anywhere in the ghetto. I wandered around for hours but couldn’t find one.

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  172. “…and that their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification;”

    ha!, Where I’m from (Alaska) that is a big deal to people who sell alcohol. I don’t know what the law is in Ohio, but in Alaska the Alcohol Control Board hires young people to go into liquor stores & bars and try and buy booze. If liquor store employees are caught selling booze all sorts of bad things happen. They arrest the employee and levee a steep fine on both the employee and the store. It also triggers a review of their license to sell booze. This last one is the most serious consequence.

    Also, knowingly providing booze to a minor is a felony.

    So it’s not a trivial thing like these Oberlin people say it it.

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    Most states do that. The best operative are boys who can grow beards and mustaches.
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  173. @Harry Baldwin
    I imagine that Lena Dunham would have first-hand knowledge of bakeries located near the Oberlin campus. Exercise facilities, not so much.

    lol

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  174. @Art Deco
    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I

    Again, a grand total of 1.3% of the population is on the TANF rolls. The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have 'single motherhood' as an eligibility criterion. Impecunious woman working for low-rent employers will qualify for Medicaid (which is much more valuable than SNAP). Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

    No, but a large percentage of SNAP users are single-mother households. I see them every time I’m at Walmart. Medicaid, in my state, is almost ubiquitous. Everybody below the middle class qualifies.

    The single mothers of America are very expensive and you know this Art. Expensive for gov’t services, for school services, for families that help out, for the parents themselves (if the dad is involved), for churches that help out, for private charities that help out. Heck, as a private individual I find myself helping single moms in my orbit simply because they’re stretched to the limit. Our church has entire ministries that are centered on trying to rescue the wild and neglected children of single moms, with only occasional successes.

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  175. eah says:

    Remember when you were a kid and maybe chided someone now and then by saying “Don’t make a federal case out of it” — nowadays everything is a federal case, either figuratively or literally.

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  176. AndrewR says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Andrew, Here in WNY the vast majority of stores require you to show proof of age to buy any alcohol product. It doesn't matter if you are a WWI vet pushing a walker. The State Police frequently have underage teens attempt to purchase alcohol at convenience stores. If successful, the cashier is given an appearance ticket and the store is cited, which leads to fines and possible loss of license. The clerks usually lose their jobs. Teens drinking and driving leads to many tragic accidents. There is always a victim in a crime.

    Most drunk drivers aren’t teens, and I imagine most teens don’t drive drunk. Plus, drunk driving is already illegal.

    As for the fines/penalties for the store, stores are almost certainly not punished for selling alcohol to a minor if the minor displays ID that fits the following three criteria: appears to be legitimate ID, appears to be the ID of the person displaying it, and displays a birth date at least 21 years prior to the date on which the alcohol is purchased.

    And even if the store/clerk is punished, that’s obviously the fault of the state not the minor. Let’s say I tell Sailer: “do not publish Buffalo Joe’s comments or I’ll crush your kneecaps”. He later publishes a comment of yours and I follow through on my threat. Are you at fault? Of course not, even if you knew of my threat before submitting the comment that would eventually lead me to crushing Sailer’s kneecaps. And if we’re honest, are all minors using fake ID even aware of the vaguest possibility of the vendor being punished? On the occasions I used fake ID as a minor, I don’t think it ever crossed my mind that anyone but me could be punished for my choice to use fake ID.

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    Andrew, I doubt I have to worry about you crushing my knee caps. you on the other hand, well never mind that. The 7-11 here in my community had the cashier ticketed, then fired and the store sanctioned. True fact. And teens do drive drunk and stoned.
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  177. @Buffalo Joe
    OT , but worthy of mention is a story about libs. The Buffalo News today features a front page story citing that Buffalo teachers, through their union, are complaining that a new disciplinary practice in Buffalo schools, called "restorative discipline", has led to trouble makers being returned almost immediately to the classroom. This restorative policy reduces suspension which disproportionately affect minority students. I find it poetic justice when liberal policies affect liberals in an adverse manner.

    Totally. I have to scratch my head when I hear liberals complain about the public schools. Why? Those problems are just the logical result of all the stuff they believe in.

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    still, Ah yes, the lab experiment that blows up in your face .
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  178. dr kill says:
    @ben tillman

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.
     
    Why wouldn't a bakery sell wine?

    By the way, college kids don't drink wine.

    And why would wine attract shoplifters?

    Good point, was it MD 20/20 or Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2015?

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    Good point, was it MD 20/20 or Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2015?
     
    I must say I've never been disappointed by a CdP!
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  179. @Dot Not Feather
    AHA! Pain au chocalat eh? So they blatantly admit inflicting pain on chocolate bodies.

    “AHA! Pain au chocalat eh? So they blatantly admit inflicting pain on chocolate bodies.”

    Worse than that, the bland white-bread appropriates the sweet, chocolaty goodness while keeping the dark bits that do the heavy lifting out of sight.

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  180. eah says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    It’s produced by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky, both Jews. Surprise.

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    Eisenberg and Stupnitsky are the "Bad Teacher" guys, right? They're hilarious.

    http://takimag.com/article/the_second_least_glamorous_job_in_showbiz/print#axzz50zOK3Qyj

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  181. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Bake Crime will be the new thing.

    Let them steal cake.

    CakeCakeCake sighting in Oberlin few yrs after KKK sighting.

    http://www.mclaughlin.com/transcript.htm?id=593

    MR. MCLAUGHLIN: “Because thou art virtuous, there shall be no” —

    MR. BUCHANAN: — “more cakes and ale.”

    MR. MCLAUGHLIN: No more what?

    MR. BUCHANAN: “Cakes and ale.”

    MR. MCLAUGHLIN: “Cakes and ale.”

    MR. BUCHANAN: Malvolio.

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  182. Oberlin police, according to an article at Cleveland.com, stated that since 2011 there have been four arrests for theft at Gibson’s. Aladin was the only black. There were 40 arrested for shoplifting at Gibson’s; 32 were whites, 6 were blacks and 2 were Asians. The student body president says that proves nothing and Gibson’s profiles.

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  183. eah says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    OT , but worthy of mention is a story about libs. The Buffalo News today features a front page story citing that Buffalo teachers, through their union, are complaining that a new disciplinary practice in Buffalo schools, called "restorative discipline", has led to trouble makers being returned almost immediately to the classroom. This restorative policy reduces suspension which disproportionately affect minority students. I find it poetic justice when liberal policies affect liberals in an adverse manner.

    Except it also probably affects other kids who are there to learn. Ostensibly.

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  184. @eah
    It's produced by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky, both Jews. Surprise.

    Eisenberg and Stupnitsky are the “Bad Teacher” guys, right? They’re hilarious.

    http://takimag.com/article/the_second_least_glamorous_job_in_showbiz/print#axzz50zOK3Qyj

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  185. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Becoming unchurched is no slight to these SJWs. In fact, secularization is part of their plan.

    But they keep changing the church and the bible to accept them, the ones who don’t want to live by the churches rules. I can live by God/Jesus without going to church easier than if I did.
    I also have the benefit of not following their rules when it suits me, like forgiving those who trespass against me over and over again, that’s like “oh! No, I don’t”.

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  186. jtgw says:
    @dearieme
    "like the UK": which bit did you have in mind?

    English libel laws favor the plaintiff. The plaintiff only has to prove that the statement damaged his reputation, which is pretty easy if the statement is negative in any way (he doesn’t need to quantify the damage in any way, e.g. demonstrate lost earnings or job opportunities). The defendant then has to prove the statement is true or else he is liable. I thought in the US libel laws went the other way: plaintiffs had to prove not only that the statement is damaging but that it is false.

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  187. @Faraday’s Bobcat
    Nice to see Gibson’s defending themselves. I hope Oberlin pays dearly for supporting the Dirtbag Army.

    Oberlin wants so very badly to be like a big city, to the point that they maintain a section of ‘projects’. One expects to see the city council handing out cans of spray paint at the basketball courts. It’s that kind of place.

    Another midwestern town suffering from SJW far-left lunatic inferiority complex, and creating all kinds of self-inflicted problems as a result.

    Overcompensating badly, apparently, for their frustration at not being NYC or LA or Chicago, and sadly being surrounded by all those rural, flyover country, white people out there. Poor things!

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  188. @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    Yep. Having a mulatto kid is right up there with a tramp stamp as the marker of white trash.

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  189. @stillCARealist
    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that's illegal too. What's wrong with these guys that they couldn't find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.

    A fake ID is useful for getting into bars. And for not needing to ask somewhere over 21 to buy it for them – a crime for the buyer as well as the underage drinker.

    A drinking age of 21 for beer and wine is ridiculous. College kids are going to drink and party. Much better for them to be drinking beer instead of today’s practice of “pre-gaming” where they do shots of hard liquor prior to heading out. Its easy to get hurt that way – drink yourself into a coma or whatever.

    Its pretty hard to drink yourself into a coma with keg beer…

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  190. @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    How much you want to bet that there’s an episode where a white guy falls in love with her but can’t deal with the fact that she has the child of black guy (he’ll let on at some point that he’d be OK if her kid was 100% white)? The show will revolve around how terrible this guy is.

    Btw, I’ve seen my share of women with mulatto kids and this show is taking some serious artistic license with the lead character’s ass size.

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    "Yep. Having a mulatto kid is right up there with a tramp stamp as the marker of white trash."

    Exactly why you cheapen, rather than dignify, human life.

    Besides, mix racing makes one taller and smarter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3146070/Mixed-race-relationships-making-taller-smarter-Children-born-genetically-diverse-parents-intelligent-ancestors.html
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  191. the underlying issue is huge racial preferences for blacks: I suspect the average IQ of the 3 thieves topping out at about 97

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    Why would that cause you to be more inclined to beat up merchants and steal from them?
    , @Alden
    More like their average IQ of the shoplifters is 85. 97 is low for a White or Asian but high for a black. A black IQ of 97 is about the same as a White IQ of 120
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  192. Marat says:
    @Abe

    The power of Template.

    On race matters, the Iron Template is blacks are noble, magical, wise, and innocent always.

    ...

    But there is also a twist. Blacks are also prized for their ‘coolness’ and rage.
     

    But maybe it's not a twist. Who else is celebrated for their refined- almost angelic- grace, and then excused- nay, cheered on- for their occasional warlike outbursts? Why nobles, of course! Moldbug sketched this out a while ago, and it's gone from poor satire to the cusp of reality much quicker than I imagined. Blacks are the new nobility, an object of veneration moon-faced, Lutheran Church-attending, Hajnal Line whites had to provide for themselves once traditional sources of meaning broke down. And so of course this villain baker was in the wrong! Pay for this wine, sirrah! When it comes from the grape of the land which is mine by right? Here (smack)! And here again!! Perchance a good cuffing will re-learn you your manners!

    Obama has chosen Kehinde Wiley to do his Presidential portrait, a black artist who specializes in producing hip-hopified/ghetto-fabulous versions of Old Master classics (and, yes, he's gay):

    https://qz.com/1102633/former-us-president-barack-obama-picks-kehinde-wiley-to-paint-his-official-presidential-portrait-for-the-smithsonian-national-portrait-gallery/

    So now this blacks-as-the-new-aristocracy zeitgeist has its first visual documentarian.

    The interviewer gets in a couple of smirks between fake smiles. That’s gotta be tiresome to the artist, who seems, on the whole, much happier and better-natured than TaNishi.

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  193. @MichaelRolls

    Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson’s for decades.
     
    Excellent use of the word 'but' there. I guess its just a Plain Fact, known by all good journalists, that Gibson's is racist and they sell racist pain au chocolat and super-racist Danish pastries.

    I heard that their black-and-white cookies have a slightly smaller black side. With a line of red frosting in the middle.

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  194. Dumbo says:
    @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    “In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.”

    Not necessarily. Most people prefer to pay for stuff, even alcohol. The only people who shoplift are those who are too dumb to understand that the possible negative consequences much outweigh the positive ones, or those who get a certain thrill from stealing, or those who are already drunk and temporarily lose their inhibitions and future-time orientation (it is likely the students in that case were already drunk).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

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    It's not unknown for respectable moms to develop a shoplifting habit in the middle of life. There was a Simpsons episode where Marge gets arrested for shoplifting. I knew somebody much like that, a real pillarette of the community who started stealing petty items from stores in the middle of life. The cops didn't put her in jail like on the Simpsons, they made her get some kind of therapy, but evidently not at the Some Kind of Therapy Clinic, because it worked and she stopped.
    , @Art Deco
    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    Blacks are more likely to be arrested for larceny than their share of the population would suggest, but their propensity in this regard is less elevated than it is for most categories of crime. About 28% of those arrested for larceny are black. There are a few crime categories with fewer blacks: vandalism and arson (23%), liquor-related offenses (12%), and miscellaneous sex offenses (23% - does not include forcible rape or prostitution).

    About 44% of those arrested for larceny are female, and 50% of those arrested for embezzlement.
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).
     
    I've often wondered - did Winona Ryder really quit shoplifting? Or did she just get really good at it?
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  195. Bill says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Oh my these bakers have balls the size of Wedding Cakes. They are literally taking on the fire breathing dragon of our modern clown world.

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.

    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    Steve you should be able to get a least one post a week out of this developing story.

    Her biography is kind of a travesty of grammar and style. Isn’t Oberlin supposed to be a good school?

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  196. @Jack D
    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store - a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints - these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random - rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can't think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.

    ” I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze.”

    Because brandy is much sweeter than scotch or tequila. They’re big on sweet things.

    I’m friends with quite a few commercial pilots and have heard numerous times that, for some reason if the urban types are sitting in first class, they like to order Courvoisier and then ruin it by having Coca-Cola added to it. It would seem that cognac isn’t sweet enough already.

    Of course, their high rate of diabetes is due to racism.

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    Blacks and whites in the same social stratum have similar rates of diabetes.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2089102/
    , @Alden
    Ever heard of a $30.00 steak ordered with " a slice of American cheese melted on it"?

    Yum, yum
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  197. @Dumbo
    "In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters."

    Not necessarily. Most people prefer to pay for stuff, even alcohol. The only people who shoplift are those who are too dumb to understand that the possible negative consequences much outweigh the positive ones, or those who get a certain thrill from stealing, or those who are already drunk and temporarily lose their inhibitions and future-time orientation (it is likely the students in that case were already drunk).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    It’s not unknown for respectable moms to develop a shoplifting habit in the middle of life. There was a Simpsons episode where Marge gets arrested for shoplifting. I knew somebody much like that, a real pillarette of the community who started stealing petty items from stores in the middle of life. The cops didn’t put her in jail like on the Simpsons, they made her get some kind of therapy, but evidently not at the Some Kind of Therapy Clinic, because it worked and she stopped.

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    Do such women "start" shoplifting in middle age, or are they just more likely to be apprehended past a certain age?
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  198. Tex says:
    @George
    After thinking about it Gibson's Bakery and Candy (and Alchohol) is 100% in the wrong. If you are a business like Gibson's and you are in the unenviable position of having a single large customer like Oberlin you are required to do what that customer requests. Oberlin did not want to be embarrassed by some local yokle confectionary subcontractor, but that bakery insisted on prosecuting the Oberlin 2. The phrase for the day your number #1 customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

    Selling alcohol changes the relationship with your customers, another reason Gibson is in the wrong.

    I never thought of that before. From now on I’ll insist that all contracts include the right for my staff to steal from the contractor and a corresponding right to assault the contractor if they object.

    Now if only you can get the yokels to sign contracts with neighboring institutions, who aren’t actually buying anything.

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    "the right for my staff to steal from the contractor "

    Common enough for government entities like school systems to get the children of pols on contractor staffs. So yes if you are an exclusive buyer, you can make corrupt demands of the seller.
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  199. Latest perp in Weinsteingate:

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  200. Corn says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    I watched the pilot episode. The show is just vulgar trash.

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  201. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It's not unknown for respectable moms to develop a shoplifting habit in the middle of life. There was a Simpsons episode where Marge gets arrested for shoplifting. I knew somebody much like that, a real pillarette of the community who started stealing petty items from stores in the middle of life. The cops didn't put her in jail like on the Simpsons, they made her get some kind of therapy, but evidently not at the Some Kind of Therapy Clinic, because it worked and she stopped.

    Do such women “start” shoplifting in middle age, or are they just more likely to be apprehended past a certain age?

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    Respectable matrons are more likely to get away with shoplifting.

    Maybe they shoplifted as schoolgirls then stopped for decades and then started again?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    LESS likely in fact ... easier to stash stuff in their pants.
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  202. @anon
    Gibson's has a 4.8 rating on facebook, 174 reviews, sounds like he isn't having much trouble and isn't it odd that a donut shop sells alcohol? Ohio sure is a weird place.
    What a great piece of writing by Kang. ID theft is no laughing matter, happened to me frequently just can't prove it. It almost got me killed more than once but can't seem to do anything about it. No one volunteers for that.

    What a great piece of writing by Kang.

    Yeah, it’s a well-done article. I didn’t excerpt the better parts, but this Kang guy at AP isn’t dumb.

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  203. Corn says:
    @reiner Tor
    OT

    The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief's decision, transgender people should be allowed to "serve" (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)

    I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. After all, the US military will have less resources left to start some stupid Middle East wars or a nuclear war against North Korea or WW3 against Russia or a "limited war" against China or somesuch. The US military has so far been a tool of the neocons and our liberal overlords, even under Trump so far (see Syria or Yemen), so the weaker it gets, the better for the rest of us.

    “The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief’s decision, transgender people should be allowed to “serve” (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)
    I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing.”

    They’re disobeying the order of a lawfully seated Commander in Chief. It is a bad thing.

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  204. hhsiii says:
    @duncsbaby
    I used to shop at a Palestinian owned c-store back in the early 90's. I noticed on the counter they were selling single menthol cigarettes & menthol cigarettes only. I was still a young idealistic liberal & I asked the middle aged gal behind the counter who on earth only bought single cigarettes. She shook her head & said, "Bad men." Her English wasn't the greatest so I asked, "Bad men?" She shook her head again, "No! Black men!"

    Sure, single cigarette sales. Loosies. It’s illegal but some bodegas and stands do it anyway.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loosie

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    It's illegal because it's a way to sell cigarettes without the "man" getting his cut, which can be one heck of a lot in New York. Do a back-of-the-envelope calculation on how much money you can make bringing a hundred cartons* up from N. Carolina (bought at $4.00 or so a pack) to NYC, where a store would love to buy them at $7.00/pack. That's $3,000 for driving 10 hours on the I-95 with the cartons possibly packed underneath a bunch of kiddie toys and crap.

    Hey, I just think of these things; I don't do this smuggling. That's probably because of the point I'm finally getting to that relates to your comment about loosies, Hhsiii. There are stamps on the packs to show tax paid in a particular state. The loosies get around that. Your Palestinian proprietors, Duncsbaby, were not only fulfilling a market need, but probably making out pretty good, as those cigs could have been smuggled.

    It's not your Daddy's smuggling of 5 lb. of "the pot" in his spare tire, but times change.

    .
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    * If you get real serious and use a large Econoline van, well now we're talking another order of magnitude of smuggling profits - you just need some serious buyers at the other end you can trust - hmmm - therein lies the rub, as with all smuggling.
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  205. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    Because the Arab authorities and Arab publics do not care to cut a deal.

    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don't really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    turn the territory over to an Arab authority have come a-cropper. They want dead Jews.

    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    I thought you people were supposed to be smart?

    None of this is esoteric information, so what’s your excuse?

    My excuse is I don't believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I don't care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don’t really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value. And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.

    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    They don’t need a reason to hate Jews. Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.

    My excuse is I don’t believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    The history of the last 50 years is what it has been. It doesn’t change that you elect to play let’s pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself. I see you don’t like Ulster protestants any better than you like Jews.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

    The Arabs on the West Bank are not oppressed. They’re subsidized extensively by foreign countries. The territories are a dump, but that’s largely their doing, in part from their deficits of entrepreneurship and in part from their refusal to do anything sensible about their political situation (which would include cutting a deal with their Jewish neighbors, something they refuse to do. The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.

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    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value.

    Yeah? How much? So much that the government couldn't just pay out the value to the owner? You don't think it would be worth it?

    But maybe if you value things so much, you shouldn't build them on other people's land. Just a thought.

    And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.

    Ah, so now we get to it!

    You seem to have a different idea of a "benefit" than most people do. Most people think that giving something back to someone that rightfully owns it is just the right thing to do. They don't think of it as a "benefit" that they're bestowing. It's kind of like I kidnap your wife. I'd like something in return for giving her back to you. I wouldn't expect you to act like I'm doing you a favor once I bring her back, you know.

    But in any event, why KEEP building there? Why not just stop?

    They don’t need a reason to hate Jews.

    Oh, that's right. Every single place you've gone, everywhere in the world, people have ended up having a problem with you, but it's NEVER your fault. Ever.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.

    Once again. If it's such an insignificant place, why not just give it up?

    It doesn’t change that you elect to play let’s pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself.

    Umm, excuse me, but WHO is "playing pretend" here? You're the one who pretends like you just have no choice but to keep building settlements, and when I ask why you don't just stop, you come back with "Those mean old Palestinians just won't LET us stop! It's THEIR fault!".

    I mean, if you want to go ahead and act like that's a rational thing to say, you go right ahead.

    The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.

    OK. But, in the past 2000 years or so, has it ever even once occurred to you how much easier you could make things for yourself by not doing things to make people want to kill you so badly? It's like you have a death wish. You do stupid shit, like move right next door to a bunch of people that you claim hate you for no reason at all, and then you go out of your way to do things just to piss them off worse. And you do stuff that you claim isn't even important to you, and when people just suggest that you might just stop, you act like it wouldn't do you any good anyway.

    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right? You just keep pushing people and pushing people, and even after they tell you to back off, you have this weird need to just see how far you can push it. And then you act like it's the end of the world when people don't like you.

    I just find it fascinating.

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  206. Art Deco says:
    @peterike

    The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have ‘single motherhood’ as an eligibility criterion.

     

    You do realize that in the real world, people get benefits by going into welfare offices and asking for them, and the people on the other side of the table are blithely unconcerned about any "eligibility criterion" and far more concerned with racial solidarity or "social justice," which is why tons and tons of ineligible people are happily receiving benefits.

    Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

     

    That's what off-the-books jobs are for. And/or fake Social Security Numbers.

    Cheating. It's a thing. Immigrants are exceptionally good at it.

    You do realize that in the real world, people get benefits by going into welfare offices and asking for them, and the people on the other side of the table are blithely unconcerned about any “eligibility criterion” and far more concerned with racial solidarity or “social justice,” which is why tons and tons of ineligible people are happily receiving benefits.

    What, people concealing income? Off the books employment? Which audit discovered that?

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  207. @Anonymous
    Do such women "start" shoplifting in middle age, or are they just more likely to be apprehended past a certain age?

    Respectable matrons are more likely to get away with shoplifting.

    Maybe they shoplifted as schoolgirls then stopped for decades and then started again?

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  208. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Another white ‘racist’ standing in the way of black liberation

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  209. @JollyOldSoul
    Meanwhile at Fordham University several College Republicans wearing MAGA hats were kicked out of a campus coffee shop by a bitter Asian SJW girl.

    Didn’t Trump go to Fordham?

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    Yes You would think Fordham would be proud of having a President as an alumm. But no, Fordham is probably deeply ashamed.
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  210. 22pp22 says:

    All over the Western World, the Great and the Good have been able to escape the consequences of their folly because the can afford to live in nice white neighbourhoods due to the high wages they are paid for what are often make-believe jobs.

    I want them to live with the consequences of their actions. Let them riot in Oberlin and trash the whole place.

    Move the refugees out of Rinkeby into the smart end of Stockholm. Plant a Roma Refugee Centre in the middle of Kingston-upon-Thames. Don’t move the Syrians to Piraeus, move them to Palaio Psychico.

    If you did that across Europe, then things might finally change.

    The actions of the Apex Gang in Central Melbourne concentrated quite a few minds. Come on my Sudanese friends, keep up the good work!

    The liberal left say that all white people are born racist. Fine! Let THEM have THEIR lives wrecked in their prosperous little bolt holes by random accusations of racism.

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  211. CJ says:
    @Romanian
    OT:

    I just saw that there is a new Showtime series called SMILF (Single MILF) about a White woman raising a mulatto child on her own. Is it propaganda? Or is it subversive unintentionally?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lF5n1W7k

    Propaganda of course, but that’s not an exclusive category. Fun fact about that show — her “son” is played by female twins who look like they’re one-eighth black maximum. There’s a whole bunch of jokes in there.

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    Yeah, therein lies the actual propaganda, that a ww's mulatto child would look anything like her. From having spoken with numerous mothers, they feel disappointment if not disconnect from the child when it looks nothing like them. The existential weight of sacrificing one's family line for kudos. They know the joke's on them ultimately.
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  212. Art Deco says:
    @Dumbo
    "In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters."

    Not necessarily. Most people prefer to pay for stuff, even alcohol. The only people who shoplift are those who are too dumb to understand that the possible negative consequences much outweigh the positive ones, or those who get a certain thrill from stealing, or those who are already drunk and temporarily lose their inhibitions and future-time orientation (it is likely the students in that case were already drunk).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    Blacks are more likely to be arrested for larceny than their share of the population would suggest, but their propensity in this regard is less elevated than it is for most categories of crime. About 28% of those arrested for larceny are black. There are a few crime categories with fewer blacks: vandalism and arson (23%), liquor-related offenses (12%), and miscellaneous sex offenses (23% – does not include forcible rape or prostitution).

    About 44% of those arrested for larceny are female, and 50% of those arrested for embezzlement.

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  213. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Since when do you need a deal to stop building settlements? Just stop. After all, you don’t really care about this tiny, unimportant area. Remember?

    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value. And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.


    So your strategy is to actually move closer to them, while at the same time giving them more reasons to hate you. Hey, that makes sense.

    They don't need a reason to hate Jews. Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.



    My excuse is I don’t believe your excuses. No offense, but your tribe has never been known for its honesty.

    The history of the last 50 years is what it has been. It doesn't change that you elect to play let's pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself. I see you don't like Ulster protestants any better than you like Jews.


    Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t care if you oppress Palestinians. I think oppressing Palestinians sounds like a lot of fun. The kind of hobby a man could really sink his teeth into, you know? But this deal you have where you just cannot be honest really amuses me.

    The Arabs on the West Bank are not oppressed. They're subsidized extensively by foreign countries. The territories are a dump, but that's largely their doing, in part from their deficits of entrepreneurship and in part from their refusal to do anything sensible about their political situation (which would include cutting a deal with their Jewish neighbors, something they refuse to do. The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.

    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value.

    Yeah? How much? So much that the government couldn’t just pay out the value to the owner? You don’t think it would be worth it?

    But maybe if you value things so much, you shouldn’t build them on other people’s land. Just a thought.

    And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.

    Ah, so now we get to it!

    You seem to have a different idea of a “benefit” than most people do. Most people think that giving something back to someone that rightfully owns it is just the right thing to do. They don’t think of it as a “benefit” that they’re bestowing. It’s kind of like I kidnap your wife. I’d like something in return for giving her back to you. I wouldn’t expect you to act like I’m doing you a favor once I bring her back, you know.

    But in any event, why KEEP building there? Why not just stop?

    They don’t need a reason to hate Jews.

    Oh, that’s right. Every single place you’ve gone, everywhere in the world, people have ended up having a problem with you, but it’s NEVER your fault. Ever.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.

    Once again. If it’s such an insignificant place, why not just give it up?

    It doesn’t change that you elect to play let’s pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself.

    Umm, excuse me, but WHO is “playing pretend” here? You’re the one who pretends like you just have no choice but to keep building settlements, and when I ask why you don’t just stop, you come back with “Those mean old Palestinians just won’t LET us stop! It’s THEIR fault!”.

    I mean, if you want to go ahead and act like that’s a rational thing to say, you go right ahead.

    The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.

    OK. But, in the past 2000 years or so, has it ever even once occurred to you how much easier you could make things for yourself by not doing things to make people want to kill you so badly? It’s like you have a death wish. You do stupid shit, like move right next door to a bunch of people that you claim hate you for no reason at all, and then you go out of your way to do things just to piss them off worse. And you do stuff that you claim isn’t even important to you, and when people just suggest that you might just stop, you act like it wouldn’t do you any good anyway.

    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right? You just keep pushing people and pushing people, and even after they tell you to back off, you have this weird need to just see how far you can push it. And then you act like it’s the end of the world when people don’t like you.

    I just find it fascinating.

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    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right?

    I know there are many people who comment here who have a distorted conception of the world they live in and the place they occupy in it and what it's rhythms are. Quite a number of them fancy themselves perspicacious. Cannot help them.
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  214. Art Deco says:
    @William Badwhite
    " I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze."

    Because brandy is much sweeter than scotch or tequila. They're big on sweet things.

    I'm friends with quite a few commercial pilots and have heard numerous times that, for some reason if the urban types are sitting in first class, they like to order Courvoisier and then ruin it by having Coca-Cola added to it. It would seem that cognac isn't sweet enough already.

    Of course, their high rate of diabetes is due to racism.

    Blacks and whites in the same social stratum have similar rates of diabetes.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2089102/

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    Men and women with the same testosterone levels grow equally bushy beards.
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  215. Art Deco says:
    @Meretricious
    the underlying issue is huge racial preferences for blacks: I suspect the average IQ of the 3 thieves topping out at about 97

    Why would that cause you to be more inclined to beat up merchants and steal from them?

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    black males on average are more criminal
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  216. @stillCARealist
    Totally. I have to scratch my head when I hear liberals complain about the public schools. Why? Those problems are just the logical result of all the stuff they believe in.

    still, Ah yes, the lab experiment that blows up in your face .

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  217. @AndrewR
    Most drunk drivers aren't teens, and I imagine most teens don't drive drunk. Plus, drunk driving is already illegal.

    As for the fines/penalties for the store, stores are almost certainly not punished for selling alcohol to a minor if the minor displays ID that fits the following three criteria: appears to be legitimate ID, appears to be the ID of the person displaying it, and displays a birth date at least 21 years prior to the date on which the alcohol is purchased.

    And even if the store/clerk is punished, that's obviously the fault of the state not the minor. Let's say I tell Sailer: "do not publish Buffalo Joe's comments or I'll crush your kneecaps". He later publishes a comment of yours and I follow through on my threat. Are you at fault? Of course not, even if you knew of my threat before submitting the comment that would eventually lead me to crushing Sailer's kneecaps. And if we're honest, are all minors using fake ID even aware of the vaguest possibility of the vendor being punished? On the occasions I used fake ID as a minor, I don't think it ever crossed my mind that anyone but me could be punished for my choice to use fake ID.

    Andrew, I doubt I have to worry about you crushing my knee caps. you on the other hand, well never mind that. The 7-11 here in my community had the cashier ticketed, then fired and the store sanctioned. True fact. And teens do drive drunk and stoned.

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    Worry less about your kneecaps and more about your reading comprehension.
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  218. Svigor says:

    I first read the headline as “The War on Bankers” and was all “yeah baby! It’s finally started!”

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  219. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I hope the bakery gets millions. In a town of 8,000-odd, their business is screwed if the college kids boycott them. It’s pretty obvious that they got a liquor license because they realized they wouldn’t make ends meet on just the baked goods alone. A customer base of 8K is quite small and tough to make a living on. What happened to them was just horrible. Imagine being beaten up by thieves and then spoiled little s**ts protest against you. That’s insane. Those appalling college kids absolutely need to be punished, and the black thugs doing hard time in prison.

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    I hope they have a good video of the shoplifting and beating.
    , @Art Deco
    It’s pretty obvious that they got a liquor license because they realized they wouldn’t make ends meet on just the baked goods alone.

    I've lived in a town 1/2 that size which supported a confectionary. That they realized a marginal benefit from adding liquor to their inventory doesn't mean they'd shut down otherwise.
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  220. @Art Deco
    There's an element of truth to what you're saying. One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people). Also, the okupiers and masked antifa clowns are (with scant doubt) bourgeois whites.

    One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise

    From the Wahington Post ( April 9, 2015):

    A record 3.8 million foreign-born blacks now live in the United States, the Pew Research Center reported Thursday. The influx means that the share of foreign-born blacks, largely from Africa and the Caribbean, has grown from 3.1 percent of the black population in 1980 to 8.7 percent in 2013. By 2060, 16.5 percent of the U.S. black population will be foreign-born, the report says.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black-immigration-is-remaking-us-black-population-report-says/2015/04/09/ded49c58-de29-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html?utm_term=.022948bae9e5

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    Oops--I didn't see them someone had already quoted the same article.
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  221. Svigor says:

    Bangladeshi … That’s kind of a new one, right? Bangladeshis are sort of the opposite of Chechens.

    Best not to turn your back on either. (It’s Christmas Time, so I’m trying to emphasize the things folks have in common)

    About 150,000 (out of 2.8 million) Arabs live in that portion of the West Bank where the settlements are located.

    Says who?

    About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built.

    Yeah it’s called a colony expanding. AKA, colonization.

    I was just eating a donut and the hole in the donut reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. Before that, I was crossing the street and almost got splashed by a truck and that reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. In fact, EVERYTHING reminds me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.

    Dude you’re Jewish it’s “The Shoah happened” not “Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.”

    I see. Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back? It would give them one lesa thing to complain about, and would make you look generous.

    But you don’t, and you’re never going to. Weird, right? It’s such a little piece of land that nobody cares about. Why be so stubborn about it?

    The Jews have been trying to give it back for generations, but the Arabs won’t accept it. See “White Bread” Art Deco’s reply for details.

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    The Jews have been trying to give it back for generations, but the Arabs won’t accept it. See “White Bread” Art Deco’s reply for details.

    Yes, I've seen the light. The Jews WANT to stop building new buildings, but the Palestinians won't let them. And the settlers are dying to move out of their houses and back into Israel proper, but the Palestinians imprison them there. All of this makes total sense.

    The funny thing about all this is, it's not like I have any love for the Palestinians here. I'm quite sure most of them are garbage people. But this weird thing where they pretend that the Palestinians have somehow enslaved them and forced them to build houses in areas where they don't want to is just too funny.
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  222. @Art Deco
    Why would that cause you to be more inclined to beat up merchants and steal from them?

    black males on average are more criminal

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  223. Svigor says:

    The reasons seem random – rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze.

    Cognac is smoother than scotch or tequila, and tastes better. Same goes for Jack Daniels.

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  224. @Harry Baldwin
    One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise

    From the Wahington Post ( April 9, 2015):


    A record 3.8 million foreign-born blacks now live in the United States, the Pew Research Center reported Thursday. The influx means that the share of foreign-born blacks, largely from Africa and the Caribbean, has grown from 3.1 percent of the black population in 1980 to 8.7 percent in 2013. By 2060, 16.5 percent of the U.S. black population will be foreign-born, the report says.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black-immigration-is-remaking-us-black-population-report-says/2015/04/09/ded49c58-de29-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html?utm_term=.022948bae9e5

    Oops–I didn’t see them someone had already quoted the same article.

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  225. Neoconned says:
    @HipCat221
    Anybody notice the brilliant quote from one of the Oberlin students? "Racism can't always be proven on an Excel sheet." I wasn't aware of any case of racism ever being proven on an excel spreadsheet, have you? The young man (I'm assuming the student is a man, but his name, Kameron Dunbar, is one of those gender non-specific first names. And note it's spelled with a "K" instead of the ordinary "C") is "vice-chair of the student senate."

    It occurred to me that at a liberal arts college the student might never have even used excel before and thinks it's some kind of data-mining program or something. Oh, the police arrived on the scene and saw a man laying on the ground, the Gibson's employee, being kicked and pummeled by three individuals, two women and a man.

    In 1999 Gibson's was robbed by an armed man, for the first time since, "I'm talking about before there were cars," said the owner. . . .The suspect? --". . . a black male described as having a thin to medium build and being between the ages of 30 and 40. . . " Who'd have guessed? http://www2.oberlin.edu/stupub/ocreview/archives/1999.10.01/news/gibson.html

    Where I’m from the beating of the employee would have uplifted the charges from shoplifting to robbery…. probably aggravated robbery.

    I’ll give it to the rednecks…..they don’t fuck around….

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  226. CJ says:
    @Jack D
    Being the ghetto product of choice is a mixed blessing. As for the retailers, it makes the product a target of shoplifters (same thing at my local PA State Store - a million kinds of booze on the shelf (except for the pints - these were always behind the counter) but a cardboard cutout of the Hennessy instead of the real thing. But for the manufacturers, having some rapper put your product in his song can be a bonanza (at least for a while). The reasons seem random - rappers like to sing (chant?) about expensive products but I can't think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze. But then the black customers move on to another fad and whites think of your product as ghetto so again a mixed blessing.

    Hennessy has been a black thing for a long long time, since the 1970s disco era at least.

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  227. Alden says:
    @sabril
    A lot of stores in New York have policies against apprehending shoplifters. Probably Gibson's should have had a similar policy. It is surely extremely profitable to sell overpriced coffee and snacks to Oberlin students and losing a few bottles of wine to some freelance socialists isn't going to make much of a difference.

    Why is a bakery selling wine anyway? In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters.

    It’s a bakery/ deli/ grocery store with a liquor license.

    You’re right about letting the animals shoplift and just raising the prices. Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families. The minorities get big scholarships. And if they need money for their $275.00 textbooks and $5.00 coffee and $6.00 pastries, and spring break trips to high end resorts in Mexico, the financial aid office will just get them another $10,000 loan.

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    Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families.

    I'm sure you can find such families there. The thing is, about 12% of each age cohort is matriculating at private (non-commercial) colleges and universities each year, so their clientele extends well-beyond high-net-worth households.
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  228. Alden says:
    @Meretricious
    the underlying issue is huge racial preferences for blacks: I suspect the average IQ of the 3 thieves topping out at about 97

    More like their average IQ of the shoplifters is 85. 97 is low for a White or Asian but high for a black. A black IQ of 97 is about the same as a White IQ of 120

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  229. Alden says:
    @Anon
    I hope the bakery gets millions. In a town of 8,000-odd, their business is screwed if the college kids boycott them. It's pretty obvious that they got a liquor license because they realized they wouldn't make ends meet on just the baked goods alone. A customer base of 8K is quite small and tough to make a living on. What happened to them was just horrible. Imagine being beaten up by thieves and then spoiled little s**ts protest against you. That's insane. Those appalling college kids absolutely need to be punished, and the black thugs doing hard time in prison.

    I hope they have a good video of the shoplifting and beating.

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    I hope Sailer or somebody puts a link here so we distribute it to our near and dear.
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  230. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    I hope the bakery gets millions. In a town of 8,000-odd, their business is screwed if the college kids boycott them. It's pretty obvious that they got a liquor license because they realized they wouldn't make ends meet on just the baked goods alone. A customer base of 8K is quite small and tough to make a living on. What happened to them was just horrible. Imagine being beaten up by thieves and then spoiled little s**ts protest against you. That's insane. Those appalling college kids absolutely need to be punished, and the black thugs doing hard time in prison.

    It’s pretty obvious that they got a liquor license because they realized they wouldn’t make ends meet on just the baked goods alone.

    I’ve lived in a town 1/2 that size which supported a confectionary. That they realized a marginal benefit from adding liquor to their inventory doesn’t mean they’d shut down otherwise.

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  231. AndrewR says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Andrew, I doubt I have to worry about you crushing my knee caps. you on the other hand, well never mind that. The 7-11 here in my community had the cashier ticketed, then fired and the store sanctioned. True fact. And teens do drive drunk and stoned.

    Worry less about your kneecaps and more about your reading comprehension.

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  232. Alden says:
    @Jake
    In PC/Cultural Marxist America, black shoplifters are innocent victims of racism. Just like John Conyers, Marion Barry, and the members of the Bloods, the Crips, and the Gangster Disciples.

    Who made the Negro Numinous, the sacred cow of American union?

    The old WASP Elites.

    Those WASP Elites turned their pet Negroes loose on the south during Reconstruction. And, along with their oldest ally, the Jews, they are getting revved up to use their Numinous Negroes to prove that white Middle America is a gathering of Kulaks fit to be given the Joe Stalin treatment.

    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war. The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    it was always, always a bastion of women’s rights, free love, abolition, transcendentalism, vegetarianism, animal rights, communism, visionary upper class socialism. A lot of the early employees were wash outs from the Robert Owen and other socialist utopia colonies. Problem with these colonies was that they had no workers involved. The gentlemen and lady intellectuals couldn’t even do their own laundry let alone grow food or build a house.

    It was an 1830s version of the liberal arts departments of the colleges of today.

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    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war.

    http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-shipherd-philo-stewart-westward-migration-education-religion/

    http://antiquestoves.net/dir/100-other-stove-services/research/founders-foundries/142-founders-philo-penfield

    One of the founders came out of the Federal era professional class, one did not. All of the college's presidents were clergymen (Presbyterian or Congregationalist) from its founding until 1927.



    The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    The college was founded in 1833, so I guess they were thinking long-term.
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  233. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    It's a bakery/ deli/ grocery store with a liquor license.

    You're right about letting the animals shoplift and just raising the prices. Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families. The minorities get big scholarships. And if they need money for their $275.00 textbooks and $5.00 coffee and $6.00 pastries, and spring break trips to high end resorts in Mexico, the financial aid office will just get them another $10,000 loan.

    Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families.

    I’m sure you can find such families there. The thing is, about 12% of each age cohort is matriculating at private (non-commercial) colleges and universities each year, so their clientele extends well-beyond high-net-worth households.

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    I won't argue with you but its a lot like Bennington, Bard, Evergreen and Reed.
    , @Alden
    You don't know much about Oberlin do you?
    , @Hibernian
    I don't think Oberlin is much like the 2 Catholic and 1 Lutheran colleges where I grew up.
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  234. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    Strange as it may seem to you, the cottages there have value.

    Yeah? How much? So much that the government couldn't just pay out the value to the owner? You don't think it would be worth it?

    But maybe if you value things so much, you shouldn't build them on other people's land. Just a thought.

    And, also, strange as it may seem to you, the Government of Israel would like something in return for conferring a benefit on the Arabs.

    Ah, so now we get to it!

    You seem to have a different idea of a "benefit" than most people do. Most people think that giving something back to someone that rightfully owns it is just the right thing to do. They don't think of it as a "benefit" that they're bestowing. It's kind of like I kidnap your wife. I'd like something in return for giving her back to you. I wouldn't expect you to act like I'm doing you a favor once I bring her back, you know.

    But in any event, why KEEP building there? Why not just stop?

    They don’t need a reason to hate Jews.

    Oh, that's right. Every single place you've gone, everywhere in the world, people have ended up having a problem with you, but it's NEVER your fault. Ever.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Again, only about 6% of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza lives in the settlement zone.

    Once again. If it's such an insignificant place, why not just give it up?

    It doesn’t change that you elect to play let’s pretend. You just make a nuisance out of yourself.

    Umm, excuse me, but WHO is "playing pretend" here? You're the one who pretends like you just have no choice but to keep building settlements, and when I ask why you don't just stop, you come back with "Those mean old Palestinians just won't LET us stop! It's THEIR fault!".

    I mean, if you want to go ahead and act like that's a rational thing to say, you go right ahead.

    The business of the Jews is to see to the security and prosperity of their own state, not to the convenience of the Arabs who loathe them and wish to kill them.

    OK. But, in the past 2000 years or so, has it ever even once occurred to you how much easier you could make things for yourself by not doing things to make people want to kill you so badly? It's like you have a death wish. You do stupid shit, like move right next door to a bunch of people that you claim hate you for no reason at all, and then you go out of your way to do things just to piss them off worse. And you do stuff that you claim isn't even important to you, and when people just suggest that you might just stop, you act like it wouldn't do you any good anyway.

    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right? You just keep pushing people and pushing people, and even after they tell you to back off, you have this weird need to just see how far you can push it. And then you act like it's the end of the world when people don't like you.

    I just find it fascinating.

    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right?

    I know there are many people who comment here who have a distorted conception of the world they live in and the place they occupy in it and what it’s rhythms are. Quite a number of them fancy themselves perspicacious. Cannot help them.

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    When I think about perspicacity, I think of people who are convinced that the entire rest of the world hates them, and that there is absolutely no chance that this has anything to do with the way they act. It's just that the entire rest of the world is crazy and evil.

    It's like when black people don't understand why cops and others are suspicious of young black men, and just blame mindless, baseless racism. That's perspicacity.
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  235. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Didn't Trump go to Fordham?

    Yes You would think Fordham would be proud of having a President as an alumm. But no, Fordham is probably deeply ashamed.

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    Trump matriculated at U Penn, not Fordham
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  236. I hope the bakery wins a large settlement. And in addition to monetary damages, the judge should force the school to change its name to Otelaviv College.

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  237. @Dumbo
    "In a college town, that has to be a magnet for shoplifters."

    Not necessarily. Most people prefer to pay for stuff, even alcohol. The only people who shoplift are those who are too dumb to understand that the possible negative consequences much outweigh the positive ones, or those who get a certain thrill from stealing, or those who are already drunk and temporarily lose their inhibitions and future-time orientation (it is likely the students in that case were already drunk).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).

    I’ve often wondered – did Winona Ryder really quit shoplifting? Or did she just get really good at it?

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    Hahaaa!
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  238. Alden says:
    @William Badwhite
    " I can’t think of any reason why they would like French brandy better than single malt scotch or tequila or some other expensive kind of booze."

    Because brandy is much sweeter than scotch or tequila. They're big on sweet things.

    I'm friends with quite a few commercial pilots and have heard numerous times that, for some reason if the urban types are sitting in first class, they like to order Courvoisier and then ruin it by having Coca-Cola added to it. It would seem that cognac isn't sweet enough already.

    Of course, their high rate of diabetes is due to racism.

    Ever heard of a $30.00 steak ordered with ” a slice of American cheese melted on it”?

    Yum, yum

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  239. Alden says:
    @Art Deco
    Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families.

    I'm sure you can find such families there. The thing is, about 12% of each age cohort is matriculating at private (non-commercial) colleges and universities each year, so their clientele extends well-beyond high-net-worth households.

    I won’t argue with you but its a lot like Bennington, Bard, Evergreen and Reed.

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    Reed is kind of sui generis: it's super-liberal in many ways, but it's also academically serious. A high percentage of Reed grads become humanities professors in fairly serious subjects like history. Reed also didn't do affirmative action for a long time. There has been some pushback from students at Reed against the Cultural Revolution types disrupting classes. Many Reed students like their classes and dislike having their professors drowned out by moronic chanting.
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  240. @hhsiii
    Sure, single cigarette sales. Loosies. It's illegal but some bodegas and stands do it anyway.


    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loosie

    It’s illegal because it’s a way to sell cigarettes without the “man” getting his cut, which can be one heck of a lot in New York. Do a back-of-the-envelope calculation on how much money you can make bringing a hundred cartons* up from N. Carolina (bought at $4.00 or so a pack) to NYC, where a store would love to buy them at $7.00/pack. That’s $3,000 for driving 10 hours on the I-95 with the cartons possibly packed underneath a bunch of kiddie toys and crap.

    Hey, I just think of these things; I don’t do this smuggling. That’s probably because of the point I’m finally getting to that relates to your comment about loosies, Hhsiii. There are stamps on the packs to show tax paid in a particular state. The loosies get around that. Your Palestinian proprietors, Duncsbaby, were not only fulfilling a market need, but probably making out pretty good, as those cigs could have been smuggled.

    It’s not your Daddy’s smuggling of 5 lb. of “the pot” in his spare tire, but times change.

    .
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    * If you get real serious and use a large Econoline van, well now we’re talking another order of magnitude of smuggling profits – you just need some serious buyers at the other end you can trust – hmmm – therein lies the rub, as with all smuggling.

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    Oh crap, I KNOW there are 20 packs in a carton but multiplied by 10 instead. That's ~$5,500 profit for just the small load (with a generous $500 expenses for gas, tolls, meals, and a hotel.)
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh crap, I KNOW there are 20 packs in a carton but multiplied by 10 instead. That's ~$5,500 profit for just the small load (with a generous $500 expenses for gas, tolls, meals, and a hotel.)
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  241. George says:
    @Art Deco
    They weren't a contractor for Oberlin. Oberlin clientele shopped there.

    “They weren’t a contractor for Oberin”

    Those White Priviledge conferences have massive catering. The Obis probably paid extra for Gibson’s not being a chain. The university expense account itself was probably their biggest customer. So Gibson’s should have swallowed their pride and let the Black kids off.

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  242. Alden says:
    @thatcher76
    "...and that their only crime was trying to buy alcohol with fake identification;"

    ha!, Where I'm from (Alaska) that is a big deal to people who sell alcohol. I don't know what the law is in Ohio, but in Alaska the Alcohol Control Board hires young people to go into liquor stores & bars and try and buy booze. If liquor store employees are caught selling booze all sorts of bad things happen. They arrest the employee and levee a steep fine on both the employee and the store. It also triggers a review of their license to sell booze. This last one is the most serious consequence.

    Also, knowingly providing booze to a minor is a felony.

    So it's not a trivial thing like these Oberlin people say it it.

    Most states do that. The best operative are boys who can grow beards and mustaches.

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  243. anonguy says:
    @Polynikes
    Being a HS student who looked at--an ultimately attended--a liberal arts college in the Midwest, I became familiar with the schools in the area back then. Even two decades ago Oberlin had a reputation as a bunch of liberal kooks, and this was in comparison to some other pretty liberal institutions at the time.

    Being a HS student who looked at–an ultimately attended–a liberal arts college in the Midwest, I became familiar with the schools in the area back then. Even two decades ago Oberlin had a reputation as a bunch of liberal kooks, and this was in comparison to some other pretty liberal institutions at the time.

    I had a girlfriend who went there in the late 70s, it was proto-SJW then. A big issue then was the Shah and SAVAK.

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  244. @stillCARealist
    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that's illegal too. What's wrong with these guys that they couldn't find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.

    Umm, the driving age will never be 21. We will have self-driving cars first.

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  245. george says:
    @Tex
    I never thought of that before. From now on I'll insist that all contracts include the right for my staff to steal from the contractor and a corresponding right to assault the contractor if they object.

    Now if only you can get the yokels to sign contracts with neighboring institutions, who aren't actually buying anything.

    “the right for my staff to steal from the contractor ”

    Common enough for government entities like school systems to get the children of pols on contractor staffs. So yes if you are an exclusive buyer, you can make corrupt demands of the seller.

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  246. @Alden
    I won't argue with you but its a lot like Bennington, Bard, Evergreen and Reed.

    Reed is kind of sui generis: it’s super-liberal in many ways, but it’s also academically serious. A high percentage of Reed grads become humanities professors in fairly serious subjects like history. Reed also didn’t do affirmative action for a long time. There has been some pushback from students at Reed against the Cultural Revolution types disrupting classes. Many Reed students like their classes and dislike having their professors drowned out by moronic chanting.

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    I know about Reed. A good friend graduated. She majored in marxism. She still is a marxist decades later. She worships Obama and his wife. gag barf
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  247. Hibernian says:
    @Steve in Greensboro
    Ich bin ein Berliner.

    You’ll be the next item shoplifted.

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  248. Alden says:
    @George
    After thinking about it Gibson's Bakery and Candy (and Alchohol) is 100% in the wrong. If you are a business like Gibson's and you are in the unenviable position of having a single large customer like Oberlin you are required to do what that customer requests. Oberlin did not want to be embarrassed by some local yokle confectionary subcontractor, but that bakery insisted on prosecuting the Oberlin 2. The phrase for the day your number #1 customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

    Selling alcohol changes the relationship with your customers, another reason Gibson is in the wrong.

    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    I guess you don’t realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?

    So Gibson’s should hand over their stock to any and everyone who walks in the store and “requests” to be given something without paying?

    Or is your post sarcastic?

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    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    That's what you get when you rely on the mental processes of the sort of people who fancied George Zimmerman was culpable for walking around his own neighborhood (actually loitering around waiting for the police to arrive, for the most part).
    , @george
    "I guess you don’t realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?"

    Oberlin asked Gibson's not to press charges. Gibson's pressed charges, Oberlin terminated their relationship. Possibly a more than 100 year relationship.

    Oberlin College issues statement on bakery lawsuit
    http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lorain-county/oberlin-college-issues-statement-on-bakery-lawsuit/95-498614331

    "Oberlin College and Dr. Raimondo deny and reject all claims asserted in the lawsuit filed by Gibson Bros., Inc. in the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas. The allegations are untrue and we will vigorously defend against them.
    The College values its long relationship with the town of Oberlin and its businesses, including Gibson's Bakery. We are saddened that the Gibson family has chosen to pursue litigation. As this is now a legal matter, the College will suspend, effective immediately, its business relationships with Gibson's Bakery until such time as a mutually productive relationship may be re-established. We will have no further public comment on this matter."

    Gibson's can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    Gibson's screwed up, imo. Good luck with the law suit.
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  249. @Alden
    Yes You would think Fordham would be proud of having a President as an alumm. But no, Fordham is probably deeply ashamed.

    Trump matriculated at U Penn, not Fordham

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    Donald Trump went to Fordham for the first 2 years and then transferred to the Wharton business school at U Penn for his MBA.


    I only post about things I know. So should you.
    , @Jack D
    Trump started out ("matriculated") at Fordham but transferred and receive his degree from Penn (Wharton). He is one of the few graduates to start his own university ("Trump University") albeit not an accredited one.
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  250. Alden says:
    @AndrewR
    It's obviously not on par with stealing. If you steal from a shop, the owners lose money. Using fake IDs to buy alcohol is a victimless crime.

    They beat up the clerk, knocked him down and kicked him. I suppose if the clerk is White it’s a victimless crime if the beating is done by blacks.

    The state liquor people send investigators around to check if stores sell liquor to underage customers.
    It’s a big violation if they find a clerk accepted a fake ID and sold liquor to a minor. Liquor is one of the most highly regulated products around.

    Stores, bars and restaurants can be heavily fined if found in violation of state liquor laws. A store that sells liquor in a college town is under the scrutiny of the liquor enforcement people all the time. There is a little shopping district neighborhood near me, Westwood. It’s right next to a big university The stores near a big university require official photo ID of everyone who buys liquor, even people in their 70′s and even the supermarkets checking a big cart full of things.

    The stores have that policy because liquor sales in college towns are always under the gun by the state liquor authorities.

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    I get carded sometimes buying a bottle of wine in grocery store lately. And I look like Santa Claus's slightly younger brother. So they must have increased the strictness of enforcement in California.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Near Chico State, there is a hamburger / Beer joint named the Madison Bear Garden. It has been a college watering hole for well over 100 years now. Prior to that is was a girls school or something. Up on the wall when you walk in are hundreds of fake IDs that were confiscated from people who tried to get past the bouncers. They give some type of award for each one they find. Losing their liquor license would be the kiss of death because that is the sole purpose of their being.
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  251. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Reed is kind of sui generis: it's super-liberal in many ways, but it's also academically serious. A high percentage of Reed grads become humanities professors in fairly serious subjects like history. Reed also didn't do affirmative action for a long time. There has been some pushback from students at Reed against the Cultural Revolution types disrupting classes. Many Reed students like their classes and dislike having their professors drowned out by moronic chanting.

    I know about Reed. A good friend graduated. She majored in marxism. She still is a marxist decades later. She worships Obama and his wife. gag barf

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  252. @Alden
    They beat up the clerk, knocked him down and kicked him. I suppose if the clerk is White it's a victimless crime if the beating is done by blacks.

    The state liquor people send investigators around to check if stores sell liquor to underage customers.
    It's a big violation if they find a clerk accepted a fake ID and sold liquor to a minor. Liquor is one of the most highly regulated products around.

    Stores, bars and restaurants can be heavily fined if found in violation of state liquor laws. A store that sells liquor in a college town is under the scrutiny of the liquor enforcement people all the time. There is a little shopping district neighborhood near me, Westwood. It's right next to a big university The stores near a big university require official photo ID of everyone who buys liquor, even people in their 70's and even the supermarkets checking a big cart full of things.

    The stores have that policy because liquor sales in college towns are always under the gun by the state liquor authorities.

    I get carded sometimes buying a bottle of wine in grocery store lately. And I look like Santa Claus’s slightly younger brother. So they must have increased the strictness of enforcement in California.

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    I guess it's the policy to card everybody. It can be a shock to people over 40. I suppose it is a way to avoid discrimination law suits.
    , @J.Ross
    In a homogeneous situation you can have enforcement discretion because critical information is provided by culture or actual connection. In a diverse situation you must have brainless 100% compliance. This is accelerated by certain people bitterly fighting every single protocol and insisting that they are being unfairly singled out.
    , @Brutusale
    I'm about the same age, and thanks to the People's Commonwealth I get carded at liquor stores and microbreweries. Massachusetts does all the same things mentioned by previous posters, with the added hassle that only Massachusetts IDs need be accepted. Out-of-staters, good luck.

    The girlfriend says I get carded not because of the law, but because karma dictates it, as I bought my first case of beer at age 13 (the aforementioned freshman mustache).
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  253. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war. The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    it was always, always a bastion of women's rights, free love, abolition, transcendentalism, vegetarianism, animal rights, communism, visionary upper class socialism. A lot of the early employees were wash outs from the Robert Owen and other socialist utopia colonies. Problem with these colonies was that they had no workers involved. The gentlemen and lady intellectuals couldn't even do their own laundry let alone grow food or build a house.

    It was an 1830s version of the liberal arts departments of the colleges of today.

    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war.

    http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-shipherd-philo-stewart-westward-migration-education-religion/

    http://antiquestoves.net/dir/100-other-stove-services/research/founders-foundries/142-founders-philo-penfield

    One of the founders came out of the Federal era professional class, one did not. All of the college’s presidents were clergymen (Presbyterian or Congregationalist) from its founding until 1927.

    The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    The college was founded in 1833, so I guess they were thinking long-term.

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    Congregationalists are atheists now and were atheists then. they just wanted to have the respectable clergy status to promulgate their radicalism. And the front man founders didn't provide all the money either.
    , @RobRich
    Oberlin is where the kids of Harvard and Ivy League screw-ups / distant parents go.

    This per one of the Deans.
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  254. Alden says:
    @J1234
    Back in 2016, when playing the "who will be portrayed as evil next year" game, I picked Martin Luther, since some churches would be celebrating 500 since the Reformation in 2017. To my surprise, it turned out to be Taylor Swift and now maybe local bakers. Frankly, I'm kind of disappointed.

    Most liberals are so ignorant they probably don’t know who Martin Luther is. Micheal King on the other hand is a the son of God who ascended into heaven a few weeks after Easter.

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  255. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I get carded sometimes buying a bottle of wine in grocery store lately. And I look like Santa Claus's slightly younger brother. So they must have increased the strictness of enforcement in California.

    I guess it’s the policy to card everybody. It can be a shock to people over 40. I suppose it is a way to avoid discrimination law suits.

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  256. anonguy says:

    Speaking of the War on Bakers, Mario Batali bit the dust today.

    One thing that is remarkable about the current Awakening is how many unknown celebrities there are. There are whole bunches of guys going down I’ve never heard of now.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if there are 10,000 people by now who consider themselves "TV stars" -- i.e., they appear on some channel or another at least once per week.
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  257. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    I guess you don't realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?

    So Gibson's should hand over their stock to any and everyone who walks in the store and "requests" to be given something without paying?

    Or is your post sarcastic?

    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    That’s what you get when you rely on the mental processes of the sort of people who fancied George Zimmerman was culpable for walking around his own neighborhood (actually loitering around waiting for the police to arrive, for the most part).

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  258. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    None of this makes sense to a mentally healthy person. You know that, right?

    I know there are many people who comment here who have a distorted conception of the world they live in and the place they occupy in it and what it's rhythms are. Quite a number of them fancy themselves perspicacious. Cannot help them.

    When I think about perspicacity, I think of people who are convinced that the entire rest of the world hates them, and that there is absolutely no chance that this has anything to do with the way they act. It’s just that the entire rest of the world is crazy and evil.

    It’s like when black people don’t understand why cops and others are suspicious of young black men, and just blame mindless, baseless racism. That’s perspicacity.

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  259. Alden says:
    @Art Deco
    Oberlin was founded in the 1830s by some ne plus ultra haute haute WASP elites. They were crazy puritans turned atheist. Oberlin was a major factor in the abolition movement and propagandist for the civil war.

    http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-shipherd-philo-stewart-westward-migration-education-religion/

    http://antiquestoves.net/dir/100-other-stove-services/research/founders-foundries/142-founders-philo-penfield

    One of the founders came out of the Federal era professional class, one did not. All of the college's presidents were clergymen (Presbyterian or Congregationalist) from its founding until 1927.



    The rich founders and donors probably wanted to invade and take over the wealth of the south. Which did happen after the civil war.

    The college was founded in 1833, so I guess they were thinking long-term.

    Congregationalists are atheists now and were atheists then. they just wanted to have the respectable clergy status to promulgate their radicalism. And the front man founders didn’t provide all the money either.

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    Oberlin, Antioch, Hillsdale, and Wheaton were all founded by people with more or less the same worldview. Obviously the former two went in one direction and the latter two went in the other. I doubt if anyone involved in their foundings was an atheist.
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  260. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    I hope they have a good video of the shoplifting and beating.

    I hope Sailer or somebody puts a link here so we distribute it to our near and dear.

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  261. Alden says:
    @Meretricious
    Trump matriculated at U Penn, not Fordham

    Donald Trump went to Fordham for the first 2 years and then transferred to the Wharton business school at U Penn for his MBA.

    I only post about things I know. So should you.

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    In that case you should not have posted. Trump has a degree from Wharton but it is not an MBA, it is an undergraduate degree (bachelor's).
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  262. Alden says:
    @Art Deco
    Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families.

    I'm sure you can find such families there. The thing is, about 12% of each age cohort is matriculating at private (non-commercial) colleges and universities each year, so their clientele extends well-beyond high-net-worth households.

    You don’t know much about Oberlin do you?

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  263. njguy73 says:
    @JollyOldSoul
    "On Nov. 7, the Gibsons sued Oberlin and Meredith Raimondo, vice president and dean of students, for slander, accusing faculty members of encouraging demonstrations against the bakery by suspending classes, distributing flyers, and supplying protesters with free food and drink."

    Presumably the cost of the flyers and food came out of student fees?

    And suspending classes for a protest? Oberlin charges $53,460 per year in tuition. Assuming (generously) a 180 day school year, that comes to $300 per day. I wonder if Oberlin would be so quick to cancel classes if it were required to refund $300 to each of its 2,900 students, at a total cost of $870,000. Sounds like the makings of yet another lawsuit to me, this one a class action.

    Suspending classes. That presumes that people go to class there.

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  264. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.
     
    Have you seen some of those Liveleak videos from Africa on how they deal with petty thieves? Crowds of people gather and they beat them and then douse them with gasoline and burn them to death. Same kind of stuff in poor parts of Latin America. Extremely brutal.

    Immigrant from Liberia told me what they do. Saturday is the big market day. Everybody comes to town, shops, visits friends, maybe a dance, movie or festivity in the evening.

    And every saturday they have the public whippings for various crimes. There are screams, blood, whips. It saves a lot on prison costs. He was amazed at the leniency in America.

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    It saves a lot on prison costs.

    I'll wager you the corporal punishments are used for misdemeanors which are seldom punished with prison in this country (a few weeks in jail, perhaps). The American chap who was sentenced to caning in Singapore some years back had been convicted of vandalism.
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  265. @Art Deco
    There's an element of truth to what you're saying. One correction: blacks are seldom immigrants, illegal or otherwise (and black immigrants are not typically problem people). Also, the okupiers and masked antifa clowns are (with scant doubt) bourgeois whites.

    Blacks are less likely to be immigrants but their political interests seem to align themselves almost every time. The biggest ‘red meat’ get out the vote issue for both Latinos and blacks revolves around being able to obfuscate someone’s real identity. For Latinos it is helping illegals hide in the proverbial shadow and for blacks it is claiming that the white man is trying to nullify their votes. Requiring secure bio-metric tamper proof ID would go a long way to solving both issues. But that is why we don’t have it by now. Also, things such as check fraud, hiding inside a violent mob behind a mask also revolve around anonymity. Blacks are trying to sew chaos while the normal law abiding people are trying to stop it.

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    Blacks are trying to sew chaos while the normal law abiding people are trying to stop it.

    I doubt many rank-and-file blacks care about the Voter ID bilge black politicians are putting out. My guess is that ACORN types practice a great deal of absentee ballot fraud and have an interest in maintaining relict entries on the voter rolls and sabotaging efforts to require identity documentation with posted ballots. If my own discussions with a few blacks forum's like this are any guide, for bourgeois blacks these sorts of things are another 'look squirrel' diversion. The mark isn't you. It's them. Fanciful injuries to Black America take up rent-free space in their heads and they don't have to think about real problems the black population faces, because thinking about street crime and school discipline injures their pride..

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  266. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    I get carded sometimes buying a bottle of wine in grocery store lately. And I look like Santa Claus's slightly younger brother. So they must have increased the strictness of enforcement in California.

    In a homogeneous situation you can have enforcement discretion because critical information is provided by culture or actual connection. In a diverse situation you must have brainless 100% compliance. This is accelerated by certain people bitterly fighting every single protocol and insisting that they are being unfairly singled out.

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  267. Alden says:
    @Whiskey
    Women love this stuff. They all dream that a mulatto kid is the next Obama. They figure it's better than life with a beta male.

    We are rapidly seeing the new mulatto ruling class with beta White males at the bottom. White women are thus the natural and eternal enemy of the White beta male so therefore female opportunity must be ruthlessly restricted and good luck with that.

    Best strategy is always amp up the alpha as far as each man can go, invest in nothing, be highly mobile, never be complacent or have any illusions

    Stop watching your black and White porn and get out and meet some real White women.

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  268. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Bangladeshi … That’s kind of a new one, right? Bangladeshis are sort of the opposite of Chechens.
     
    Best not to turn your back on either. (It's Christmas Time, so I'm trying to emphasize the things folks have in common)

    About 150,000 (out of 2.8 million) Arabs live in that portion of the West Bank where the settlements are located.
     
    Says who?

    About 80% of the settler population is living in settlements founded prior to 1987; ‘colonization’ means another cottage built.
     
    Yeah it's called a colony expanding. AKA, colonization.

    I was just eating a donut and the hole in the donut reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. Before that, I was crossing the street and almost got splashed by a truck and that reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. In fact, EVERYTHING reminds me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.
     
    Dude you're Jewish it's "The Shoah happened" not "Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists."

    I see. Well, since that piece of land is so unimportant to the Joos, why not just stop building there and give it back? It would give them one lesa thing to complain about, and would make you look generous.

    But you don’t, and you’re never going to. Weird, right? It’s such a little piece of land that nobody cares about. Why be so stubborn about it?
     
    The Jews have been trying to give it back for generations, but the Arabs won't accept it. See "White Bread" Art Deco's reply for details.

    The Jews have been trying to give it back for generations, but the Arabs won’t accept it. See “White Bread” Art Deco’s reply for details.

    Yes, I’ve seen the light. The Jews WANT to stop building new buildings, but the Palestinians won’t let them. And the settlers are dying to move out of their houses and back into Israel proper, but the Palestinians imprison them there. All of this makes total sense.

    The funny thing about all this is, it’s not like I have any love for the Palestinians here. I’m quite sure most of them are garbage people. But this weird thing where they pretend that the Palestinians have somehow enslaved them and forced them to build houses in areas where they don’t want to is just too funny.

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  269. george says:
    @Alden
    How can Gibson possibly be in the wrong for calling the police on 3 people who knocked a clerk down and beat up the clerk??????????

    I guess you don't realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?

    So Gibson's should hand over their stock to any and everyone who walks in the store and "requests" to be given something without paying?

    Or is your post sarcastic?

    “I guess you don’t realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?”

    Oberlin asked Gibson’s not to press charges. Gibson’s pressed charges, Oberlin terminated their relationship. Possibly a more than 100 year relationship.

    Oberlin College issues statement on bakery lawsuit

    http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lorain-county/oberlin-college-issues-statement-on-bakery-lawsuit/95-498614331

    “Oberlin College and Dr. Raimondo deny and reject all claims asserted in the lawsuit filed by Gibson Bros., Inc. in the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas. The allegations are untrue and we will vigorously defend against them.
    The College values its long relationship with the town of Oberlin and its businesses, including Gibson’s Bakery. We are saddened that the Gibson family has chosen to pursue litigation. As this is now a legal matter, the College will suspend, effective immediately, its business relationships with Gibson’s Bakery until such time as a mutually productive relationship may be re-established. We will have no further public comment on this matter.”

    Gibson’s can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    Gibson’s screwed up, imo. Good luck with the law suit.

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    How is wanting to prosecute the monsters who robbed you and beat you 'a screw up?' Wanting simple justice is never a screw up. What sort of society would we have if no one ever got justice for serious wrongs?

    The bakery needs to ask for a sum that equals the entire Oberlin endowment. The college deserves to die permanently. I say that as someone who's had various relatives go there over the decades and even be employed there.
    , @Art Deco
    Gibson’s can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    There is no indication that there were any catering contracts outside your imagination, nor that they did any actual contract work for the College. The yap about "relationship with the town and its businesses' is PR bushwah. It's not referring to actual contractual relationships.
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  270. @ben tillman
    Ohio is like Texas. Truth is an affirmative defense:

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2739

    In other words the plaintiff does not need to prove the statement was false; the defendant needs to prove the statement was true.

    I think you are misunderstanding the law. While the truth is an affirmative defense to slander, it isn’t the only defense.

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    I think you are misunderstanding the law. While the truth is an affirmative defense to slander, it isn’t the only defense.
     
    I'm not misunderstanding the law, and, yes, there are other defenses, but so what?
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  271. Jack D says:
    @Meretricious
    Trump matriculated at U Penn, not Fordham

    Trump started out (“matriculated”) at Fordham but transferred and receive his degree from Penn (Wharton). He is one of the few graduates to start his own university (“Trump University”) albeit not an accredited one.

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    He is one of the few graduates to start his own university

    It was a set of seminars on real estate sales and the classes were by some accounts taught not by real estate professionals but by people with a generic rope-'em-in sales background. "Trump University" was a dippy brand. It was actually unlike his other enterprises in it's cheesy half-assedness.
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  272. @anonguy
    Speaking of the War on Bakers, Mario Batali bit the dust today.

    One thing that is remarkable about the current Awakening is how many unknown celebrities there are. There are whole bunches of guys going down I've never heard of now.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 10,000 people by now who consider themselves “TV stars” — i.e., they appear on some channel or another at least once per week.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 10,000 people by now who consider themselves “TV stars” — i.e., they appear on some channel or another at least once per week.
     
    That may be part of the fuel of this Awakening, an oversupply of celebs, I'm thinking, with a lagging understanding of how impressed, and hence tolerant, everyone might be with a "TV Star or ", as in more back then, not so much now.

    Just the number of celebrity chefs going down, I've never heard of a single one of these guys but probably every one of them thinks they are as famous as Julia Child, the one famous cook that I can think of.

    It would fit with the pattern of these tending to be older guys as well, being a TV star was a lot bigger deal when they were young.
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  273. Jack D says:
    @Alden
    Donald Trump went to Fordham for the first 2 years and then transferred to the Wharton business school at U Penn for his MBA.


    I only post about things I know. So should you.

    In that case you should not have posted. Trump has a degree from Wharton but it is not an MBA, it is an undergraduate degree (bachelor’s).

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  274. @Prof. Woland
    What is at stake here is whether or not society will allow blacks to dominate the social spaces. That is true for both public spaces and now private spaces. Blacks are asserting that petty laws such as shop lifting, underage drinking, and using false ID (passing bad checks, illegal immigration, wearing mask in public, anonymous mob violence) are basically black rights and must must not be legally enforced, hence the need to challenge the business owners even on their turf. With group shout downs and physical intimidation in public spaces occurs whites too often slink out without asserting their rights to assemble and conduct free speech. But in this case where you have an entire family who is cornered and has their, property, professional reputation, and livelihood on the line, they have no choice but to fight.

    Whites need to learn how to fight back. Hopefully Hannity of Carlson will take this up. All it would take is 1,000,000 people donating $1 to this family to send the message to the black mob that they need to pick their fights more carefully.

    Fare-jumping on public transport also.

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  275. Jack D says:
    @Prof. Woland
    What is at stake here is whether or not society will allow blacks to dominate the social spaces. That is true for both public spaces and now private spaces. Blacks are asserting that petty laws such as shop lifting, underage drinking, and using false ID (passing bad checks, illegal immigration, wearing mask in public, anonymous mob violence) are basically black rights and must must not be legally enforced, hence the need to challenge the business owners even on their turf. With group shout downs and physical intimidation in public spaces occurs whites too often slink out without asserting their rights to assemble and conduct free speech. But in this case where you have an entire family who is cornered and has their, property, professional reputation, and livelihood on the line, they have no choice but to fight.

    Whites need to learn how to fight back. Hopefully Hannity of Carlson will take this up. All it would take is 1,000,000 people donating $1 to this family to send the message to the black mob that they need to pick their fights more carefully.

    Gibson’s operates a mail order website:

    https://www.gibsonsbakeryandcandy.com/shop

    I’m sure lots of people are in the market for holiday gifts right now and Gibson’s could use the business. They sound like honest hardworking people and I think they’d rather have the business than have people send them handouts.

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    They sound like honest hardworking people
     
    Indeed they are: Store open 7 AM to 11 PM, 7 days a Week.

    Thank you for letting us know! The chocolates don't seem like much but what the hell - I want to support them. Ordered. The order process is very straightforward, no "create account" BS and everything just works.
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  276. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @george
    "I guess you don’t realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?"

    Oberlin asked Gibson's not to press charges. Gibson's pressed charges, Oberlin terminated their relationship. Possibly a more than 100 year relationship.

    Oberlin College issues statement on bakery lawsuit
    http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lorain-county/oberlin-college-issues-statement-on-bakery-lawsuit/95-498614331

    "Oberlin College and Dr. Raimondo deny and reject all claims asserted in the lawsuit filed by Gibson Bros., Inc. in the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas. The allegations are untrue and we will vigorously defend against them.
    The College values its long relationship with the town of Oberlin and its businesses, including Gibson's Bakery. We are saddened that the Gibson family has chosen to pursue litigation. As this is now a legal matter, the College will suspend, effective immediately, its business relationships with Gibson's Bakery until such time as a mutually productive relationship may be re-established. We will have no further public comment on this matter."

    Gibson's can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    Gibson's screwed up, imo. Good luck with the law suit.

    How is wanting to prosecute the monsters who robbed you and beat you ‘a screw up?’ Wanting simple justice is never a screw up. What sort of society would we have if no one ever got justice for serious wrongs?

    The bakery needs to ask for a sum that equals the entire Oberlin endowment. The college deserves to die permanently. I say that as someone who’s had various relatives go there over the decades and even be employed there.

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  277. @stillCARealist
    4 years of college. never saw a fake ID or even knew somebody who had one. Rumors abounded, but I suspect it was mostly just empty bragging. Now, plenty of people had older students purchase alcohol for them, and that's illegal too. What's wrong with these guys that they couldn't find somebody old enough to buy the wine for them? And wine? at 19 or 20? No, they should be drinking Red Bull and vodka or something.

    As for the drinking age, here in CA the cigarette age is now 21. As is the pot age. As is the handgun age.

    Give it time and the driving license age will be 21.

    It probably depends on how close your campus is to a bar. If everyone goes to keg parties in dorms, they might not be needed (so to speak). If they go to bars, that would be a different story.

    I was (and still am) a non-drinker and am not defending it at all, but a cavalier attitude toward fake IDs is a common warped mentality that is not race-specific (as I thought some commenters were probably going to insinuate). If anything it flourishes most among a certain type of white preppy student.

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  278. @Alden
    Congregationalists are atheists now and were atheists then. they just wanted to have the respectable clergy status to promulgate their radicalism. And the front man founders didn't provide all the money either.

    Oberlin, Antioch, Hillsdale, and Wheaton were all founded by people with more or less the same worldview. Obviously the former two went in one direction and the latter two went in the other. I doubt if anyone involved in their foundings was an atheist.

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  279. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D
    I was just eating a donut and the hole in the donut reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. Before that, I was crossing the street and almost got splashed by a truck and that reminded me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists. In fact, EVERYTHING reminds me of how the Palestinians are unjustly oppressed by the Zionists.

    I know, man. The nakba thing, that was a long time ago. I sure wish the Palestinians would let go of that nakba thing. I mean, it’s not like they’re the only people in history that have suffered a bad hand. In the fullness of time, they’ll let go of it. It’s almost like they’re using it, both to foster internal unity, and to punish their enemies. Man, that nakba sure was a while back. Time to move on. (Whistles unconvincingly.)

    It’s almost like they learned from some other group to nurse their historic grievances!

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    Y'know my parents were living in a refugee camp right about the same time as the Palestinians went into theirs. But my parents got themselves out as soon as they could (by '51) and I never though of my self as a "refugee" and my kids sure don't. Even my sister who was born in the displaced persons camp doesn't think of herself as a refugee. None of us carry the keys to the old homestead - that's ancient history.

    Most of the people who fled Palestine in '47 are elderly or dead. Since when is "refugee" a hereditary status? I'm ok with giving the few old guys left a "right of return" but how can their kids and grandkids and great grandkids (because they breed like rats there are many times more of them than originally left) "return" to a place where they have never been?

    There's a lot of blame to go around - the other Arab countries that refused to let Palestinians become citizens of their countries, the UN which keeps feeding and housing the Palestinians to this day, etc. But fundamentally people are responsible for themselves - if you want to live in a refugee camp and have your life consume by hatred and longing for your lost olive trees, you will get nowhere and the hatred will eat you alive. Jews have let it go - no Jews go blowing up German subway stations or digging invasion tunnels into Germany. Sure there are Holocaust museums. If the Palestinians want to build a Nakba Museum, God bless them. But that should be as far as it goes.
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  280. anonguy says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if there are 10,000 people by now who consider themselves "TV stars" -- i.e., they appear on some channel or another at least once per week.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 10,000 people by now who consider themselves “TV stars” — i.e., they appear on some channel or another at least once per week.

    That may be part of the fuel of this Awakening, an oversupply of celebs, I’m thinking, with a lagging understanding of how impressed, and hence tolerant, everyone might be with a “TV Star or “, as in more back then, not so much now.

    Just the number of celebrity chefs going down, I’ve never heard of a single one of these guys but probably every one of them thinks they are as famous as Julia Child, the one famous cook that I can think of.

    It would fit with the pattern of these tending to be older guys as well, being a TV star was a lot bigger deal when they were young.

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  281. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco
    Oberlin Whites come from millionaire families.

    I'm sure you can find such families there. The thing is, about 12% of each age cohort is matriculating at private (non-commercial) colleges and universities each year, so their clientele extends well-beyond high-net-worth households.

    I don’t think Oberlin is much like the 2 Catholic and 1 Lutheran colleges where I grew up.

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    And the Catholic colleges where you grew up are indubitably quite unlike what they were in 1955. See S.M. Hutchens on the evolution of Protestant colleges since the mid-19th century. See his comments on Wheaton ("Wheaton is doomed"). Grove City has been one of the more successfully resistant, but Grove City has a faction in the faculty which wish to make it a place like every other common-and-garden private college in America. The smart money says they are a ruin in a generation. Critics of Millenial evangelicals maintain they're quite other-directed little puppy dogs. See Laura Ortberg Turner, daughter of California megachurch pastor John Ortberg. (Mrs. Turner is a columnist for Christianity Today).
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  282. MBlanc46 says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I think just calling a pastry "Danish" constitutes a kind of microaggresssion.

    three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine
     
    No malt liquor for this crew. Oberlin students they are. Made it they have! High-fallutin' shop-liftin'!

    They are what they are, they do what they do. Rapist footballers, sunglass-stealing basketballers, Oberlin undergrads.

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  283. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Oh my these bakers have balls the size of Wedding Cakes. They are literally taking on the fire breathing dragon of our modern clown world.

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.

    https://www.oberlin.edu/meredith-raimondo

    Steve you should be able to get a least one post a week out of this developing story.

    You guys should be aware that the Oberlin Dean here is a tranny.

    She’s got everything of any importance covered:

    will lead Oberlin’s Division of Student Life that supports students by creating more seamless connections between curricular and cocurricular experiences, advising and mentoring focused on the development of life skills and interpersonal and personal growth, and building and bridging intellectual and personal communities … She has taught courses spanning the themes of gender and sexuality, race and ethnicity studies, social justice, and HIV/AIDS.

    Sigh. What a puke.

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  284. MBlanc46 says:
    @Polynikes
    Being a HS student who looked at--an ultimately attended--a liberal arts college in the Midwest, I became familiar with the schools in the area back then. Even two decades ago Oberlin had a reputation as a bunch of liberal kooks, and this was in comparison to some other pretty liberal institutions at the time.

    Even four decades ago it had that reputation.

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  285. MBlanc46 says:
    @Fueled
    There's a silver lining buried in that AP story:

    With...news of the Gibson's protests spreading online, bikers and out-of-town counter-protesters soon converged on the town to jeer students and buy doughnuts from Gibson's.
     
    The resistance is growing...

    That is music to my ears. We’ve got to start standing up to these punks.

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  286. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Gibson's operates a mail order website:

    https://www.gibsonsbakeryandcandy.com/shop

    I'm sure lots of people are in the market for holiday gifts right now and Gibson's could use the business. They sound like honest hardworking people and I think they'd rather have the business than have people send them handouts.

    They sound like honest hardworking people

    Indeed they are: Store open 7 AM to 11 PM, 7 days a Week.

    Thank you for letting us know! The chocolates don’t seem like much but what the hell – I want to support them. Ordered. The order process is very straightforward, no “create account” BS and everything just works.

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  287. Art Deco says:
    @george
    "I guess you don’t realize that theft including shoplifting is a crime?"

    Oberlin asked Gibson's not to press charges. Gibson's pressed charges, Oberlin terminated their relationship. Possibly a more than 100 year relationship.

    Oberlin College issues statement on bakery lawsuit
    http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lorain-county/oberlin-college-issues-statement-on-bakery-lawsuit/95-498614331

    "Oberlin College and Dr. Raimondo deny and reject all claims asserted in the lawsuit filed by Gibson Bros., Inc. in the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas. The allegations are untrue and we will vigorously defend against them.
    The College values its long relationship with the town of Oberlin and its businesses, including Gibson's Bakery. We are saddened that the Gibson family has chosen to pursue litigation. As this is now a legal matter, the College will suspend, effective immediately, its business relationships with Gibson's Bakery until such time as a mutually productive relationship may be re-established. We will have no further public comment on this matter."

    Gibson's can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    Gibson's screwed up, imo. Good luck with the law suit.

    Gibson’s can complain all they want, but if catering is put out to the lowest bidder, it will likely be corporate Starbucks or franchise Dunkin Donuts (probably operated by immigrant entrepreneurs).

    There is no indication that there were any catering contracts outside your imagination, nor that they did any actual contract work for the College. The yap about “relationship with the town and its businesses’ is PR bushwah. It’s not referring to actual contractual relationships.

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  288. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    Trump started out ("matriculated") at Fordham but transferred and receive his degree from Penn (Wharton). He is one of the few graduates to start his own university ("Trump University") albeit not an accredited one.

    He is one of the few graduates to start his own university

    It was a set of seminars on real estate sales and the classes were by some accounts taught not by real estate professionals but by people with a generic rope-’em-in sales background. “Trump University” was a dippy brand. It was actually unlike his other enterprises in it’s cheesy half-assedness.

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    It was a set of seminars on real estate sales and the classes were by some accounts taught not by real estate professionals but by people with a generic rope-’em-in sales background. “Trump University” was a dippy brand. It was actually unlike his other enterprises in it’s cheesy half-assedness.

     

    Better or worse than Oberlin though?
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  289. @AnotherDad

    I wonder how many of her bad decisions are being subsidized by the taxpayer in that show.
     
    You're a smart guy, so I take it that's a rhetorical question.

    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I'd guess 95% are net tax eaters. For those sporting little mulattos it's likely north of 99%.

    (After the immigration disaster, reigning in this disaster of female entitlement is the other key requirement to resuming something akin to civilization.)

    I’ve read on Zerohedge a number of times, with nice graphs, that a single mom would have to make just under $60,000 making her and the children’s own way before equaling the amount she’d get from living off of Daddy State with a $30,000 salary. I guess we taxpayers are all the Daddies – we should get some wifely benefits too. Hey, that’s an idea there. Live off of state benefits and expect a visit from one of your beneficiaries for some return bennies once a week. It’d need a website first ….call it milf.gov

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  290. Art Deco says:
    @Prof. Woland
    Blacks are less likely to be immigrants but their political interests seem to align themselves almost every time. The biggest 'red meat' get out the vote issue for both Latinos and blacks revolves around being able to obfuscate someone's real identity. For Latinos it is helping illegals hide in the proverbial shadow and for blacks it is claiming that the white man is trying to nullify their votes. Requiring secure bio-metric tamper proof ID would go a long way to solving both issues. But that is why we don't have it by now. Also, things such as check fraud, hiding inside a violent mob behind a mask also revolve around anonymity. Blacks are trying to sew chaos while the normal law abiding people are trying to stop it.

    Blacks are trying to sew chaos while the normal law abiding people are trying to stop it.

    I doubt many rank-and-file blacks care about the Voter ID bilge black politicians are putting out. My guess is that ACORN types practice a great deal of absentee ballot fraud and have an interest in maintaining relict entries on the voter rolls and sabotaging efforts to require identity documentation with posted ballots. If my own discussions with a few blacks forum’s like this are any guide, for bourgeois blacks these sorts of things are another ‘look squirrel’ diversion. The mark isn’t you. It’s them. Fanciful injuries to Black America take up rent-free space in their heads and they don’t have to think about real problems the black population faces, because thinking about street crime and school discipline injures their pride..

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  291. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    Immigrant from Liberia told me what they do. Saturday is the big market day. Everybody comes to town, shops, visits friends, maybe a dance, movie or festivity in the evening.

    And every saturday they have the public whippings for various crimes. There are screams, blood, whips. It saves a lot on prison costs. He was amazed at the leniency in America.

    It saves a lot on prison costs.

    I’ll wager you the corporal punishments are used for misdemeanors which are seldom punished with prison in this country (a few weeks in jail, perhaps). The American chap who was sentenced to caning in Singapore some years back had been convicted of vandalism.

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  292. @Anonymous
    Do such women "start" shoplifting in middle age, or are they just more likely to be apprehended past a certain age?

    LESS likely in fact … easier to stash stuff in their pants.

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  293. @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    I have zero evidence, but I suspect most cases of shoplifting in general are by blacks or drunks (and the occasional Winona Ryder).
     
    I've often wondered - did Winona Ryder really quit shoplifting? Or did she just get really good at it?

    Hahaaa!

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  294. Jack D says:
    @Hunsdon
    I know, man. The nakba thing, that was a long time ago. I sure wish the Palestinians would let go of that nakba thing. I mean, it's not like they're the only people in history that have suffered a bad hand. In the fullness of time, they'll let go of it. It's almost like they're using it, both to foster internal unity, and to punish their enemies. Man, that nakba sure was a while back. Time to move on. (Whistles unconvincingly.)

    It's almost like they learned from some other group to nurse their historic grievances!

    Y’know my parents were living in a refugee camp right about the same time as the Palestinians went into theirs. But my parents got themselves out as soon as they could (by ’51) and I never though of my self as a “refugee” and my kids sure don’t. Even my sister who was born in the displaced persons camp doesn’t think of herself as a refugee. None of us carry the keys to the old homestead – that’s ancient history.

    Most of the people who fled Palestine in ’47 are elderly or dead. Since when is “refugee” a hereditary status? I’m ok with giving the few old guys left a “right of return” but how can their kids and grandkids and great grandkids (because they breed like rats there are many times more of them than originally left) “return” to a place where they have never been?

    There’s a lot of blame to go around – the other Arab countries that refused to let Palestinians become citizens of their countries, the UN which keeps feeding and housing the Palestinians to this day, etc. But fundamentally people are responsible for themselves – if you want to live in a refugee camp and have your life consume by hatred and longing for your lost olive trees, you will get nowhere and the hatred will eat you alive. Jews have let it go – no Jews go blowing up German subway stations or digging invasion tunnels into Germany. Sure there are Holocaust museums. If the Palestinians want to build a Nakba Museum, God bless them. But that should be as far as it goes.

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  295. Pericles says:
    @Alfa158
    Both. Main stream media now automatically produce propaganda without even thinking about it. The fish doesn't realize it is swimming in water. The billboards advertise the show as "Smart, Single, Southie". Single mother + mulatto kid pretty much defines bad decisions. She is just missing the third leg of the stool; drugs.

    Smart, Single, ‘Shark.

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    Smart, Single, ‘Shark.
     
    While single and 'shark are statistically close to synonyms, smart and 'shark are definitely antonyms. In pretty much every conceivable way, 'sharking is a really dumb decision.
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  296. Pericles says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    They're trying to make bullet proff glass illegal in philadelphia because it hurts peoples feelings.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/council-bill-removal-safety-glass-windows-beer-delis-meeting-20171208.html

    It also led me to buy into another angle of criticism: If shopkeepers are scared of their customers in Philadelphia’s rougher neighborhoods, just sell the shops to people who live in the community and there's no need to hide behind bulletproof glass to protect themselves.

     

    This says a lot. That people are resentful of the non black business owners and want to see them killed and driven out. The residents would be better off without people peddling beer and junk food, so they do have a point in that regard.

    That people are resentful of the non black business owners and want to see them killed and driven out. The residents would be better off without people peddling beer and junk food, so they do have a point in that regard.

    After the shopkeepers have packed up and left it’s time to start crying about ‘food deserts’.

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  297. snorlax says:
    @Art Deco
    Blacks and whites in the same social stratum have similar rates of diabetes.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2089102/

    Men and women with the same testosterone levels grow equally bushy beards.

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    There are large populations of white wage earners and black wage earners and large populations of white salaried employees and black salaried employees. Women with beards are circus freaks.
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  298. Pericles says:
    @reiner Tor
    OT

    The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief's decision, transgender people should be allowed to "serve" (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)

    I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. After all, the US military will have less resources left to start some stupid Middle East wars or a nuclear war against North Korea or WW3 against Russia or a "limited war" against China or somesuch. The US military has so far been a tool of the neocons and our liberal overlords, even under Trump so far (see Syria or Yemen), so the weaker it gets, the better for the rest of us.

    The Pentagon decided that contrary to the Commander-in-Chief’s decision, transgender people should be allowed to “serve” (i.e. to be served with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments etc.)

    Hooray for Hardcore Mattis.

    Because of the President, these brave … people? … should be ostentatiously awarded post-surgery Purple Hearts. Thank you for your service. America owes you a great debt.

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  299. Pericles says:
    @Art Deco
    He is one of the few graduates to start his own university

    It was a set of seminars on real estate sales and the classes were by some accounts taught not by real estate professionals but by people with a generic rope-'em-in sales background. "Trump University" was a dippy brand. It was actually unlike his other enterprises in it's cheesy half-assedness.

    It was a set of seminars on real estate sales and the classes were by some accounts taught not by real estate professionals but by people with a generic rope-’em-in sales background. “Trump University” was a dippy brand. It was actually unlike his other enterprises in it’s cheesy half-assedness.

    Better or worse than Oberlin though?

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  300. duncsbaby says:
    @Anonymous
    Plan A for Gibson’s to stop black shop lifting: Play classical music. It’s krypronite to black people, who won’t enter malls or stores where it can be heard in the background.

    Plan B: Stop selling booze and sunglasses.

    I read somewhere recently (perhaps on isteve) that SJWs believe playing classical music in public spaces is a micro-aggression against POC & is now on the list of things to be banned.

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  301. ironicus says:
    @Anonymous

    It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.
     
    Have you seen some of those Liveleak videos from Africa on how they deal with petty thieves? Crowds of people gather and they beat them and then douse them with gasoline and burn them to death. Same kind of stuff in poor parts of Latin America. Extremely brutal.

    And extremely effective too.
    Near Johannesburg in South Africa is Diepsloot, one of the poorest shantytowns in the country, poorer than any Hooverville you will ever see.
    Yet it is crime-free, because when criminals are caught, the police are called to haul away the ashes. Merely suspicious characters from outside can usually crawl to a minibus taxi on the outskirts to make their getaway.
    Brutal as it sounds, this method of enforcement of basic moral standards is applied very infrequently these days – word gets around.
    But then, South African men have balls, so I don’t think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.

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    But then, South African men have balls, so I don’t think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.

    The homicide rate in the U.S. is 1/6th that of South Africa. Our pussy methods of social control seem to be getting better results.
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  302. Art Deco says:
    @ironicus
    And extremely effective too.
    Near Johannesburg in South Africa is Diepsloot, one of the poorest shantytowns in the country, poorer than any Hooverville you will ever see.
    Yet it is crime-free, because when criminals are caught, the police are called to haul away the ashes. Merely suspicious characters from outside can usually crawl to a minibus taxi on the outskirts to make their getaway.
    Brutal as it sounds, this method of enforcement of basic moral standards is applied very infrequently these days - word gets around.
    But then, South African men have balls, so I don't think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.

    But then, South African men have balls, so I don’t think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.

    The homicide rate in the U.S. is 1/6th that of South Africa. Our pussy methods of social control seem to be getting better results.

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    I think if you were to compare the African-American homicide rate with the S. African rate, they would be roughly comparable as would the rate in black Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. S. Africa is about where you would expect it to be for an African country. Probably homicide rates have a strong genetic component based on testosterone levels, intelligence, etc.
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  303. Art Deco says:
    @snorlax
    Men and women with the same testosterone levels grow equally bushy beards.

    There are large populations of white wage earners and black wage earners and large populations of white salaried employees and black salaried employees. Women with beards are circus freaks.

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  304. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian
    I don't think Oberlin is much like the 2 Catholic and 1 Lutheran colleges where I grew up.

    And the Catholic colleges where you grew up are indubitably quite unlike what they were in 1955. See S.M. Hutchens on the evolution of Protestant colleges since the mid-19th century. See his comments on Wheaton (“Wheaton is doomed”). Grove City has been one of the more successfully resistant, but Grove City has a faction in the faculty which wish to make it a place like every other common-and-garden private college in America. The smart money says they are a ruin in a generation. Critics of Millenial evangelicals maintain they’re quite other-directed little puppy dogs. See Laura Ortberg Turner, daughter of California megachurch pastor John Ortberg. (Mrs. Turner is a columnist for Christianity Today).

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    One of the three is defunct. Wake me up when St. Ambrose or Augustana is as radical and/or as upper middle class as Oberlin. BTW, Augustana is Lutheran.
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  305. @Alden
    They beat up the clerk, knocked him down and kicked him. I suppose if the clerk is White it's a victimless crime if the beating is done by blacks.

    The state liquor people send investigators around to check if stores sell liquor to underage customers.
    It's a big violation if they find a clerk accepted a fake ID and sold liquor to a minor. Liquor is one of the most highly regulated products around.

    Stores, bars and restaurants can be heavily fined if found in violation of state liquor laws. A store that sells liquor in a college town is under the scrutiny of the liquor enforcement people all the time. There is a little shopping district neighborhood near me, Westwood. It's right next to a big university The stores near a big university require official photo ID of everyone who buys liquor, even people in their 70's and even the supermarkets checking a big cart full of things.

    The stores have that policy because liquor sales in college towns are always under the gun by the state liquor authorities.

    Near Chico State, there is a hamburger / Beer joint named the Madison Bear Garden. It has been a college watering hole for well over 100 years now. Prior to that is was a girls school or something. Up on the wall when you walk in are hundreds of fake IDs that were confiscated from people who tried to get past the bouncers. They give some type of award for each one they find. Losing their liquor license would be the kiss of death because that is the sole purpose of their being.

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  306. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    But then, South African men have balls, so I don’t think these methods could work in the US of Pussy.

    The homicide rate in the U.S. is 1/6th that of South Africa. Our pussy methods of social control seem to be getting better results.

    I think if you were to compare the African-American homicide rate with the S. African rate, they would be roughly comparable as would the rate in black Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. S. Africa is about where you would expect it to be for an African country. Probably homicide rates have a strong genetic component based on testosterone levels, intelligence, etc.

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    I think if you were to compare the African-American homicide rate with the S. African rate, they would be roughly comparable as would the rate in black Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. S. Africa is about where you would expect it to be for an African country. Probably homicide rates have a strong genetic component based on testosterone levels, intelligence, etc.

    The homicide rates in the black Caribbean countries are all over the map, anywhere from 2 per 100,000 to 40 per 100,000. In Subsaharan Africa a homicide rate of about 15 per 100,000 is about normal in countries not in a state of insurgency and possessed of a functioning central government. South Africa's is comparatively elevated at 32 per 100,000 and a shade higher for blacks. The homicide rate for black Americans is about 20 per 100,000 on average (and much lower in places like NYC).

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  307. @JollyOldSoul
    Meanwhile at Fordham University several College Republicans wearing MAGA hats were kicked out of a campus coffee shop by a bitter Asian SJW girl.

    Meanwhile at Fordham University several College Republicans wearing MAGA hats were kicked out of a campus coffee shop by a bitter Asian SJW girl.

    It seems to the case that viewpoint discrimination is a-ok. At least “liberals” seem to be free to fire people who refuse to get woke.

    This suggests a nice business opportunity of having “Republican” or even “Trumpist” business establishments that would be a legal way to “have nice things”. Perhaps even better than playing classical music.

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  308. @Pericles
    Smart, Single, 'Shark.

    Smart, Single, ‘Shark.

    While single and ‘shark are statistically close to synonyms, smart and ‘shark are definitely antonyms. In pretty much every conceivable way, ‘sharking is a really dumb decision.

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  309. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco
    And the Catholic colleges where you grew up are indubitably quite unlike what they were in 1955. See S.M. Hutchens on the evolution of Protestant colleges since the mid-19th century. See his comments on Wheaton ("Wheaton is doomed"). Grove City has been one of the more successfully resistant, but Grove City has a faction in the faculty which wish to make it a place like every other common-and-garden private college in America. The smart money says they are a ruin in a generation. Critics of Millenial evangelicals maintain they're quite other-directed little puppy dogs. See Laura Ortberg Turner, daughter of California megachurch pastor John Ortberg. (Mrs. Turner is a columnist for Christianity Today).

    One of the three is defunct. Wake me up when St. Ambrose or Augustana is as radical and/or as upper middle class as Oberlin. BTW, Augustana is Lutheran.

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  310. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    I think if you were to compare the African-American homicide rate with the S. African rate, they would be roughly comparable as would the rate in black Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. S. Africa is about where you would expect it to be for an African country. Probably homicide rates have a strong genetic component based on testosterone levels, intelligence, etc.

    I think if you were to compare the African-American homicide rate with the S. African rate, they would be roughly comparable as would the rate in black Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. S. Africa is about where you would expect it to be for an African country. Probably homicide rates have a strong genetic component based on testosterone levels, intelligence, etc.

    The homicide rates in the black Caribbean countries are all over the map, anywhere from 2 per 100,000 to 40 per 100,000. In Subsaharan Africa a homicide rate of about 15 per 100,000 is about normal in countries not in a state of insurgency and possessed of a functioning central government. South Africa’s is comparatively elevated at 32 per 100,000 and a shade higher for blacks. The homicide rate for black Americans is about 20 per 100,000 on average (and much lower in places like NYC).

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  311. @ScarletNumber
    I think you are misunderstanding the law. While the truth is an affirmative defense to slander, it isn't the only defense.

    I think you are misunderstanding the law. While the truth is an affirmative defense to slander, it isn’t the only defense.

    I’m not misunderstanding the law, and, yes, there are other defenses, but so what?

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  312. Brutusale says:
    @Autochthon
    "Hennessey" is easy to rhyme with a lot of words and phrases in interesting ways.

    It really is that simple. Try rapping about "Jameson." Go ahead, I'll wait....

    My beats have made me the famous one,
    Get my Hennessey ‘stead of Jameson.

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  313. Brutusale says:
    @Art Deco
    The answer is, of course, 100%. Single-mommery is massively subsidized by the rest of us saps. I

    Again, a grand total of 1.3% of the population is on the TANF rolls. The most impecunious single mothers will receive SNAP (fairly common) and Section 8 vouchers (quite atypical). Neither of these have 'single motherhood' as an eligibility criterion. Impecunious woman working for low-rent employers will qualify for Medicaid (which is much more valuable than SNAP). Landing a custodial job at an ordinary institutional employer will get you off the Medicaid rolls, however.

    Almost one in five Massachusetts residents receive a Medicaid benefit. The average welfare benefit here his higher than the median salary for those in the workforce.

    https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/16/is-welfare-the-highest-paying-entry-level-job-in-35-states-read-the-study-again/?utm_term=.034f1896ecfb

    If there’s a single mother living in the “new” gentrified Southie, where rent on a two-bedroom apartment is north of $3,000, she’s in the Old Colony Projects and is on welfare.

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    The average welfare benefit here his higher than the median salary for those in the workforce.

    You need to tell the person that told you that to go back and check their work. New York offers TANF benefits of $770 a month for a family of 3. SNAP will add $375 a month for a family of that size. Section 8 and other housing benefits total a mean of $1,000 a month for those households enrolled. Bracketing out nursing home residents, Medicaid spending is currently averaging $5,300 per beneficiary per year, or about $1,300 a month for our hypothetical 3-person household. So, if you've got the full monty, you have about $14,000 in benefits per person per year. Personal income per capita in this country is about $45,000 per year. So, the full monty puts you at just north of 30% of the mean (and, surely, not above the median).

    Again, about 1.3% of the population lives in households which receive TANF. About 3.7% of all households receive benefits Section 8 or some like program. SNAP is much more common, encompassing about 13% of the total population. Medicaid is most common, encompassing 23% of the population. You're not going to find many people receiving the full monty.
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  314. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I get carded sometimes buying a bottle of wine in grocery store lately. And I look like Santa Claus's slightly younger brother. So they must have increased the strictness of enforcement in California.

    I’m about the same age, and thanks to the People’s Commonwealth I get carded at liquor stores and microbreweries. Massachusetts does all the same things mentioned by previous posters, with the added hassle that only Massachusetts IDs need be accepted. Out-of-staters, good luck.

    The girlfriend says I get carded not because of the law, but because karma dictates it, as I bought my first case of beer at age 13 (the aforementioned freshman mustache).

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  315. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's illegal because it's a way to sell cigarettes without the "man" getting his cut, which can be one heck of a lot in New York. Do a back-of-the-envelope calculation on how much money you can make bringing a hundred cartons* up from N. Carolina (bought at $4.00 or so a pack) to NYC, where a store would love to buy them at $7.00/pack. That's $3,000 for driving 10 hours on the I-95 with the cartons possibly packed underneath a bunch of kiddie toys and crap.

    Hey, I just think of these things; I don't do this smuggling. That's probably because of the point I'm finally getting to that relates to your comment about loosies, Hhsiii. There are stamps on the packs to show tax paid in a particular state. The loosies get around that. Your Palestinian proprietors, Duncsbaby, were not only fulfilling a market need, but probably making out pretty good, as those cigs could have been smuggled.

    It's not your Daddy's smuggling of 5 lb. of "the pot" in his spare tire, but times change.

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    * If you get real s