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From the Los Angeles Times below is an article that makes evident how the violence against the Trump rally in Chicago was part of the ongoing Safe Spaces from microaggressions campus movement, such as the Yale freakout over Halloween costumes.

Of course, Safe Spaces has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with the territorial imperative. Young people naturally feel the urge to fight turf wars, to stake out territory and drive out enemies. Normally in America we have laws to regulate the competition for property so territorial urges don’t turn into mob rule. But over the last year minority college students have increasingly asserted that they must be above the law because racism. It’s the only way they can be safe.

What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.

How black, Latino and Muslim college students organized to stop Trump’s rally in Chicago

Kate Linthicum and Kurtis Lee

When black, Muslim and Latino student activists at the University of Illinois at Chicago heard last week that Donald Trump was planning a rally on campus, they did what any good organizers do in 2016: They went online.

Within days, thousands of people had liked a Facebook page called “Stop Trump – Chicago.” Tens of thousands added their names to a MoveOn.org petition calling on the school to cancel the rally.

They all had one thing in common, said Casandra Robledo, a second-year student who helped organize the protest: “We felt so strongly that Donald Trump and his bigotry and racism wasn’t welcome here.”

Screenshot 2016-03-12 18.59.22Let me briefly point out that the UIC Pavilion is not a secluded hideaway, but a major, freeway-close public venue on Eisenhower Expressway just west of the Kennedy Expressway and the Loop. For example, I saw Prince there in 1983 with a mostly black crowd and the Pretenders and Iggy Pop there in 1986 with an all white crowd.

… Ahead of the Chicago rally, the students cited safety concerns in letters to campus officials that urged them to cancel the event.

“As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university,” organizer Jorge Mena wrote in an open letter to the school’s administration. “We already face systemic violence but we’re increasingly becoming targets of attack by his followers on and off Trump’s campaign trail.”

Some campus faculty joined in, penning a separate letter to school officials.

Amalia Pallares, a political science professor involved in the effort, said she believes Trump’s divisive rhetoric is inconsistent with the university’s values of inclusion. “We didn’t feel this was the right venue for this kind of event,” she said in an interview.

“We were not opposed to free speech,” she continued. “It was a security issue. We felt that it would be a big challenge for the university to protect the students.”

So the violent protesters shutting down a public political gathering were engaging in self-defense, since everybody knows from watching TV that Trump supporters are Ku Klux Klanners and Nazis, so violence is okay. It’s self defense of Safe Spaces.

Planning for the event started Monday night, when leaders from a range of groups gathered in a campus lecture hall. They included the Black Student Union, the Muslim Student Assn. and the Fearless Undocumented Association, which advocates for immigrants in the country illegally.

Other local and national activism groups also got involved, including some local labor organizations, Black Lives Matter and MoveOn.Org, which has endorsed Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders.

Nick Berning, communications director at MoveOn.Org, said his organization printed signs for the protesters and sent out an email blast to its members in the Chicago area inviting them to join.

Tess Raser, an organizer with Assata’s Daughters, a group of black women that has protested police violence, said her organization saw the protest as an opportunity to connect Trump’s racist rhetoric with institutional racism in Chicago.

The demonstration kicked off Friday afternoon, with a rally on campus where Muslim and Latino immigrant students spoke. Protesters then marched to the rally site carrying a banner that read: “Trump makes America hate. Our students make America great.”

While some protesters stayed outside, others went into the event, many of them concealing anti-Trump posters under their clothes.

When Trump officials announced that the candidate wouldn’t be appearing because of security concerns, the crowd erupted, said B. Loewe, an organizer with a Latino group called Mijente, who was present at the rally. Trump supporters were angry, he said, and protesters were celebrating.

Some protesters chanted, “We stopped Trump,” he said, while others sang the lyrics to a Kendrick Lamar song, “We Gon’ Be Alright,” that has become an anthem of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Others in the crowd yelled slogans in support of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

Organizers of the demonstration and Sanders said Saturday that the protest was not in any way officially affiliated with his campaign, despite claims from Trump on Twitter that it was “Clinton and Sanders people who disrupted my rally.”

“As is the case virtually every day, Donald Trump is showing the American people that he is a pathological liar,” Sanders said in a statement. “Obviously, while I appreciate that we had supporters at Trump’s rally in Chicago, our campaign did not organize the protests.”

Bernie, in exactly what sense are you using the word “appreciate?”

On Saturday, as Trump held more rallies across the Midwest, activists in Chicago and around the country were talking about what comes next.

Tia Oso, national coordinator for Black Alliance for Just Immigration, which works with Black Lives Matter activists, said protests of Trump rallies “will most certainly” continue in the months ahead.

“Without disruption there is no progress,” she said.

In parts of the world where many UIC students come from, university campuses are traditionally Safe Spaces — i.e., lawless sanctuaries closed off to the police. For example, when Fidel Castro was a student activist at the U. of Havana, he would venture off campus to commit crimes and then roar back to the college, where the police weren’t allowed to follow him. This helped make life in Havana vibrant. This Latin American tradition hasn’t spread explicitly to the U.S. yet, but Safe Spaces is a harbinger of this.

P.S., Here’s an amusing article by an unnamed writer way back in 1963 in the Harvard Crimson:

More than three quarters of the students at the Central University of Venezuela live in or around the city of Caracas. But for those who prefer campus life there are two attractive and inexpensive ($8 a month) dormitories in the heart of the University city. The women’s residence is affectionately called Hollywood while the other, its male counterpart, bears the name Stalingrad.

Like their World War II comrades, Venezuela’s Communists have made their stand in the bowels of Stalingrad. Unlike their Russian colleagues, however, the University Communists have no tanks for defense. They need none. The barbed wire fence surrounding the University City and the autonomy guaranteed by the University’s Charter suffice for protection. The charter stipulates that the University is to be run entirely by an internal, faculty-student council and national authorities (such as the Ministry of Education, the Police, and the Army) are prevented from entering the school grounds without a court order.

University autonomy is by no means a phenomenon unique to Venezuela. It is a practice employed to a certain degree throughout Latin America. The history of the idea dates to a student strike and subsequent convention in Cordoba, Argentina, in 1919. Protesting against the ancient and restrictive control of university life by the Church, the Cordoba students staged a noisy walkout against scholastic officialdom. The result was an independent charter for the school. The student congress that took place in Cordoba under the new grant cited the principle of university autonomy as the end of all educational reform.

… Since 1957 UCV’s budget has grown from $6 million to $20 million annually. But once this money has been awarded to the University, the Ministry of Education exercises no further direction on its use. The University Council exercises sovereign control over the campus and all that pertains to it. The 19-man Council consists of the Rector, the Vice-Rector, the University Secretary, the 11 Deans of the faculties, three students, one graduate, and a representative of the Minister of Education. All Council positions are elective and are the subject of energetic partisan politics. The elections are dominated by tightly organized student political parties.

The Communists, who have long been powerful within Venezuela’s school system, are the strongest single group at UCV. Communist intellectuals have made a point of infiltrating the school’s faculty where they can speak without fear of reprisal. The student body as well contains numerous trained Communists and professional students who work to mobilize fellow travellers. Famed for its Marxist teachings and pro-Soviet attitude, the school of Economics is cryptically called Moscow while the comparatively apolitical faculty of Architecture sports the title Guantonamo.

The Communists at UCV are a minority but, as always, their activities bring more notoriety than their numbers seem to merit. The cumbersome legal process necessary to enter the University has prevented the police from obtaining much incriminating material in their periodic searches. There is good evidence, though, that the Louvre’s impressionist paintings, kidnapped while being displayed in Caracas’ Museum of Fine Arts, travelled directly to the men’s dormitory in the University City. Further, it is believed that the hijacking of a plush Venezuelan oceanliner earlier this year was plotted at the Central University. Terrorists have been traced to the Ciudad Universitaria time and again, prompting speculation as to how much fire power is amassed behind UCV’s ivyless walls.

The Central University suffers understandably from a poor reputation as an institution of higher learning. Politicking, rioting, and bomb scares managed to keep the school closed for three months last year.

The future of America may look rather like the past of Venezuela.

 
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  1. wren says:

    If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    -Darth Trump

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    Obi Wan Trump, surely.
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    I feel like I should gratuitously chime in here.
    , @SFG
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  2. Bill P says:

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.

    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.

    Maybe we’re back in something like French/English/Spanish/African/Amerindian North America circa 1760.

    I really wouldn’t put it past the new Loyalists to support BLM over Trump. Or a lot of immigrants to support Trump over both of them. It’s virgin territory, politically speaking.

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    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.

    Both are part of the established order. Both see each other as enemies and they both know how to fight each other and both have deep territory from which they draw their strength.

    It's much better to fight an enemy you know by following comfortable routines than getting engaged in a battle to the death with an unknown enemy who fights in ways you can't counter.

    Trump is an existential threat to the Romneyites because he would dislodge them from power and he's s threat to the BLM types because he doesn't respond in predictable ways. BLM knows that they can shake-down the Romneyites but Trump is more likely to tell them to FO and go ballistic on them and smash them to dust.

    , @Jefferson
    "Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge."

    Mitt Romney has resided in Utah and the wealthiest Whitest areas of Massachusetts, so Mittens does not interact with Black people very often.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.
     
    PC is no longer "fringe". It is, in fact, the new bourgeois morality. It must be embraced by all 'right-thinking' educated persons, from senators and CEOs on down to ordinary accountants and adjunct professors. To repudiate it publicly is to invite total ostracism--if not legal sanction.
    , @AndrewR
    I don't dispute your premise (obviously Romney is a keystone of the establishment) but how on earth did a Mormon become one of the most prominent faces of the establishment???
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  3. Yeah it’s hypocritical but what are we going to do about it?

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Trace the money that facilitates these groups back to their sources.

    Then anywhere there is property damage or personal harm done, prosecute it and them under the RICO Act.

    Forgive me for repeating myself here. But the same cluster of wallets and agendas are behind all of this mayhem. See:

    http://discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=funder

    https://www.opensecrets.org/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MoveOn#Financial_contributors

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/15/the-progressive-movement-is-a-pr-front-for-rich-democrats/
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  4. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    “As an undocumented UIC graduate student…

    “Undocumented” is the dumbest euphemism. How does one even get into graduate school without documents (transcripts, etc.)? Presumably, he has a student ID, which is a document too.

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    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    Yeah it doesn't seem to me that the "undocumented" are disenfranchised and "living in the shadows" if they're attending graduate school.
    , @njguy73
    How about "documented-as-I-need-to-be'?
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  5. kihowi says:

    Now this might look like a step-by-step recipe to be followed in every place that Trump visits, but in actuality this is just good honest reporting. Wink wink.

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  6. iSteveFan says:

    I saw bits and pieces from three of Trump’s speeches today, and from the one in St Louis yesterday. In each speech he was interrupted several times. The protests were staged to burn one protester every five minutes or so. So instead of one big protest, you got all these little protests.

    Yet Trump surprisingly stayed focused and calm. Even when he was giving some anecdote and was interrupted for 5 minutes, he seemed to be able to recover and continue. That’s impressive for a 69 year old without notes.

    The bottom line is that I am impressed with his ability to maintain his self control and not lose his temper or just storm out. He waited out the disturbances, tried to remain upbeat and soldiered on. Looking at all the traveling he has done in the past 24 hours, I am amazed.

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    • Replies: @International Jew

    The bottom line is that I am impressed with his ability to maintain his self control and not lose his temper or just storm out.
     
    Very impressive indeed. I wonder where that even comes from; he never had to deal with this sort of thing in business.

    Though I'm still suspicious of him, and a week ago I gave him a 50% chance of betraying us once he's elected, incidents like this make me think he really is a man on a serious mission. He'd be nuts to take these risks otherwise.

    At this point, unfortunately, my 50% chance applies to his getting assassinated.
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  7. Claude says:

    Safe spaces = France’s “no-go” zones?

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  8. @wren
    If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    -Darth Trump

    Obi Wan Trump, surely.

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    That will be his third act, evidently. Switching from the dark side of the force.

    Perhaps this is the beginning.
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  9. TangoMan says:

    Steve, you might find the latest Frum article interesting.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Frum overestimates the "I'm overpaid" vote which Hillary relies on. Trump should do very well with the "I'm underpaid" segment, which may not be Republican, but is certainly a majority.
    , @Lugash
    From Frums article:

    Trump is most objectionable to the most reliable and loyal Republican voters, exactly the kind of people who vote Republican for every office all the way down to county commissioner. Perhaps the very most reliable and most loyal will show up no matter what, skip the top line, and otherwise vote the straight ticket. Or perhaps not.

    If Trump is denied the nomination I'm going to write him in as my choice for president, and vote straight party ticket down ballot. Straight Democratic ticket.
    , @george
    Black Agenda Report wrote a similar article to Frum's.

    A Republican Meltdown Won’t Make the Democrats Better

    “The Democrats are likely to escape such an implosion, unless Hillary’s inner witch makes it impossible for the Sandernistas to quietly acquiesce to her coronation.”

    http://blackagendareport.com/republican_meltdown_and_dems

    In other news:

    Safe space losing students:
    University of Missouri Announces Budget Cuts, Hiring Freeze
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-missouri-announces-budget-cuts-hiring-freeze-37534689

    A very patronizing Obama comments on a safe spaces through aerial bombardment advocate.
    “Samantha, enough, I’ve already read your book,”
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/
    , @Hunsdon
    From Frum: Some significant number of Republicans just won’t vote for Trump. When people don’t want to vote for the top of a ticket, they often stay home altogether, dooming every close race lower down on the ticket.

    So we've lost the votes of Bill Kristol and Max Boot.
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  10. TangoMan says:
    @Bill P

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.
     
    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn't any core to speak of anymore.

    Maybe we're back in something like French/English/Spanish/African/Amerindian North America circa 1760.

    I really wouldn't put it past the new Loyalists to support BLM over Trump. Or a lot of immigrants to support Trump over both of them. It's virgin territory, politically speaking.

    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.

    Both are part of the established order. Both see each other as enemies and they both know how to fight each other and both have deep territory from which they draw their strength.

    It’s much better to fight an enemy you know by following comfortable routines than getting engaged in a battle to the death with an unknown enemy who fights in ways you can’t counter.

    Trump is an existential threat to the Romneyites because he would dislodge them from power and he’s s threat to the BLM types because he doesn’t respond in predictable ways. BLM knows that they can shake-down the Romneyites but Trump is more likely to tell them to FO and go ballistic on them and smash them to dust.

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  11. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I knew a fellow who had been a student in Caracas. He talked about the weekly riot they would have. The students would go off campus, cause some disturbance, then run back to campus, pursued in a desultory way by the KKK. Oops, I mean the police. Apparently it was a weekly ritual and was a big part of what being a student was about. A guy has to stand out on campus, I guess. Long live the permanent revolution!

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    ““As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university,” organizer Jorge Mena wrote in an open letter to the school’s administration.”

    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

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    • Replies: @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    , @White Guy In Japan
    “As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university”

    You feel unsafe? Kind of the point, dude.
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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    After watching the videos of Ragin’ Rupert Pupkinado attempting to attack Trump I give the security team a C+ grade.

    Doesn’t look like his security detail would do well with two or three rushing the stage at once. Or even a diversionary action coordinated with a stage rush. The security guys looked OK but not great.

    We need to realize that the videos are being studied intently by the scum who is organizing this stuff.

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  14. Jefferson says:

    “I saw Prince there in 1983 with a mostly black crowd and the Pretenders and Iggy Pop there in 1986 with an all white crowd.”

    Did you ever take any pictures of the Bob Newhart residential building when you lived in Chicago?

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  15. Clyde says:

    Why white people can’t have nice candidates.
    These sometimes violent anti-Trump disruptions plus their attendant media pile on and support. All designed to cow us. Mitt Romney never had such disruptions, in fact he complained in one debate that the media ignored his campaigning in order to sink him.

    Nice candidate Donald Trump is too plain spoken and has too many good policies so we can’t have him. We can only have failures like John McCain, Romney and Marco Roboto. Where are the anti-Marco protests and the anti-Kaisich protests?

    Donald Trump proves that if you are not getting flack you are not over your target.

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    No Enemies
    By Charles Mackay (English Chartist poet, 1814–1889)

    You have no enemies, you say?
    Alas! my friend, the boast is poor;
    He who has mingled in the fray
    Of duty, that the brave endure,
    Must have made foes! If you have none,
    Small is the work that you have done.
    You’ve hit no traitor on the hip,
    You’ve dashed no cup from perjured lip,
    You’ve never turned the wrong to right,
    You’ve been a coward in the fight.
    , @Lugash
    If Trump has the nomination stolen from him it would be delicious to see BLM/Soros/Et Al disrupt Cruz or Rubio in the same manner. I can hear them crying just thinking about it.
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  16. TangoMan says:
    @Anonymous
    "“As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university,” organizer Jorge Mena wrote in an open letter to the school’s administration."

    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he's undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school's administration.

    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the “undocumented” aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any “undocumented” people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Well said. That would be a good plan.
    , @Big Bill
    Alternatively, citizens could file suit under the federal Tort Claims Act to recover federal funds illegally spent by colleges on setbacks. If Trump merely announced that he would support such whistleblowers you would see all hell break loose.

    There are plenty of loyalist insiders who know the identities and illegal immigration status of students. They would come out of the woodwork to rat out the universities for fraudulently and knowingly dissipating federal funds on wetback students.
    , @Richard S
    You have an astonishingly good idea. The president using a federal agency actually to enforce the law; it'd be a departure from US norms alright..
    , @Divine Right
    The Trump administration should focus on humiliating and destroying left-wing idiocy (and its followers). He should start a relocation program aimed at dumping millions of blacks and immigrants from red states into nice, white democrat areas - then denounce them for racism when they flee or protest. The only way to destroy the mental illness of the left is to publicly humiliate its followers by giving them what they profess. Progressivism is a mental illness - a personality defect focused on social advancement by extreme (and almost always hypocritical) virtue signalling. Stop fighting the symptoms and destroy the disease.
    , @flyingtiger
    Best idea I have heard in a long time.
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  17. Jefferson says:

    “The future of America may look rather like the past of Venezuela.”

    Venezuela has a higher murder rate than Brazil.

    So if future America turns into Venezuela, instead of saying diversity is our strength we can say diversity is murder, or diversity kills, or diversity is violent.

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    • Replies: @Richard S

    we can say diversity is murder, or diversity kills, or diversity is violent.
     
    We can bloody well say that now, but still we're force-fed the foolish propaganda slogan that gets further and further away from reality, the more experience with diversity people have. Nothing last for ever, life is change, for every action there is a reaction etc.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/12/attempted_attack_on_donald_trump_was_worse_than_it_looked.html

    This link shows “new footage” of the attack shot from in front of Trump. I got suckered by the headline “worse than it looked” but after viewing it appears this guy was a jerk with no plan. Not much different from the drunks who get on the infield in the late innings.

    The security team protective hug of Trump (away from the action) seems clumsy. Weak.

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    "This link shows “new footage” of the attack shot from in front of Trump. I got suckered by the headline “worse than it looked” but after viewing it appears this guy was a jerk with no plan. Not much different from the drunks who get on the infield in the late innings."

    You need to read the archive of his Twitter account (someone here posted a link to it). The guy might have had a poorly conceived plan, but it was definitely premeditated, and it sounded like his intentions were not all benign. I think he might have mentioned something about being a martyr.
    , @Eric Novak
    Nothing clumsy about standard security moves to protect the boss from a bullet fired at close range.
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  19. MG says:

    See this video of a black man accosted by BLM folks -

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  20. @Clyde
    Why white people can't have nice candidates.
    These sometimes violent anti-Trump disruptions plus their attendant media pile on and support. All designed to cow us. Mitt Romney never had such disruptions, in fact he complained in one debate that the media ignored his campaigning in order to sink him.

    Nice candidate Donald Trump is too plain spoken and has too many good policies so we can't have him. We can only have failures like John McCain, Romney and Marco Roboto. Where are the anti-Marco protests and the anti-Kaisich protests?

    Donald Trump proves that if you are not getting flack you are not over your target.

    No Enemies
    By Charles Mackay (English Chartist poet, 1814–1889)

    You have no enemies, you say?
    Alas! my friend, the boast is poor;
    He who has mingled in the fray
    Of duty, that the brave endure,
    Must have made foes! If you have none,
    Small is the work that you have done.
    You’ve hit no traitor on the hip,
    You’ve dashed no cup from perjured lip,
    You’ve never turned the wrong to right,
    You’ve been a coward in the fight.

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  21. What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.

    It’s more nuanced, though. Didn’t you see the way Hillary was forced to spit on Nancy Reagan’s grave in order to keep her bona fides? And how readily she did?

    If leukophobes– i.e., white-haters– want a big fat pitch to swing at, they could hardly find a more smackable one than “marriage equality”, which has infected large portions of the race while leaving other races mostly untouched. Modern whites have lowered themselves beneath pygmies, who understand the nature of marriage.

    Yet the leukophobe left stands and stares, bat on shoulder.

    Something stinks here. Is it “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”?

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    Something stinks here.
     
    The self hatred is really strong.

    Also, there is a sort of 'inductive racism', e.g. only Whites can fix things, or make things work, so they have to be flogged and watched closely to help out The Other.
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  22. Jefferson says:
    @Bill P

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.
     
    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn't any core to speak of anymore.

    Maybe we're back in something like French/English/Spanish/African/Amerindian North America circa 1760.

    I really wouldn't put it past the new Loyalists to support BLM over Trump. Or a lot of immigrants to support Trump over both of them. It's virgin territory, politically speaking.

    “Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.”

    Mitt Romney has resided in Utah and the wealthiest Whitest areas of Massachusetts, so Mittens does not interact with Black people very often.

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  23. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Those “anti-Trump protesters” were just a bunch of goons using bully-boy tactics. The cultural Marxist news media sure showed its bias against Trump. They tried to present these clowns as some kind of noble crusaders for civil rights (ad nausea). I listened to one of these black “students” on TV talking. His Ebonics was barely understandable and he was just a loudmouth. The media acted like he was some kind of avenging angel.

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  24. @TangoMan
    Steve, you might find the latest Frum article interesting.

    Frum overestimates the “I’m overpaid” vote which Hillary relies on. Trump should do very well with the “I’m underpaid” segment, which may not be Republican, but is certainly a majority.

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  25. Lugash says:
    @Clyde
    Why white people can't have nice candidates.
    These sometimes violent anti-Trump disruptions plus their attendant media pile on and support. All designed to cow us. Mitt Romney never had such disruptions, in fact he complained in one debate that the media ignored his campaigning in order to sink him.

    Nice candidate Donald Trump is too plain spoken and has too many good policies so we can't have him. We can only have failures like John McCain, Romney and Marco Roboto. Where are the anti-Marco protests and the anti-Kaisich protests?

    Donald Trump proves that if you are not getting flack you are not over your target.

    If Trump has the nomination stolen from him it would be delicious to see BLM/Soros/Et Al disrupt Cruz or Rubio in the same manner. I can hear them crying just thinking about it.

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    " Trump has the nomination stolen from him it would be delicious to see BLM/Soros/Et Al disrupt Cruz or Rubio in the same manner. I can hear them crying just thinking about it."

    A stolen election would not be given to Ted Cruz. The GOP Establishment hates him as much as they hate Donald Trump. A stolen election would either be given to Little Marco or Mitt Romney.

    The GOP Establishment sees Ted Cruz as a male version of Sarah Palin. They see Little Marco as the Republican version of Hussein Obama and John F. Kennedy. They see him as the savior, the chosen one.

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  26. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “All designed to cow us.”

    Yeah, lots of modern liberalism seems to be about argument from threatened force. First they talk. Then they hiss. Then chant. The whole “demonstration” thing. Implied violence. Intimidation. Much of the media sees its role as an amplifier of intimidation. It all amounts to bullying.

    Leftist bullies.

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  27. Communist intellectuals have made a point of infiltrating the school’s faculty where they can speak without fear of reprisal.

    What a horrible thing for intellectuals to do!

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  28. MG says:

    Unbelievable that the thug who tried to attack Trump today is out of jail and back to tweeting -

    https://twitter.com/Younglionking7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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  29. Who benefits? It would seem to me that Hillary is the winner. I believe she was spooked by the Michigan results. Stirring up a racial frenzy is a means of increasing minority turnout, her strength. At the same time, blue collar whites, her biggest weakness, will be turned off by the protests and Bernie’s supporters association with it. So, on Tuesday, white working class voters are more likely to gravitate away from Sanders towards her or crossover and vote for Trump. She knows Bernie can’t distance himself from the protests, even if he were to suspect it was a setup, because he is a socialist after all.

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    She knows Bernie can’t distance himself from the protests, even if he were to suspect it was a setup, because he is a socialist after all.
     
    Yes, exactly. Cui bono? It's obviously Hellary. She wants to use violent false-flags in order to discredit Trump and Sanders both so that she can present herself to a frightened public as the 'law and order' candidate--just like Nixon in 68. 'Don't take a risk on one of these guys,' she will say. 'I'm the devil you know.'
    , @LondonBob
    Roger Stone says the 'protest' was organised by HRC and David Brock, made to look like Sanders. Hurt Sanders in the primaries and try to stop any Sanders to Trump switchers in the general.
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  30. […] The Violence Against the Trump Rally Was Part of the Safe Spaces from Microaggressions Movement, by Steve Sailer. […]

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  31. Lugash says:
    @TangoMan
    Steve, you might find the latest Frum article interesting.

    From Frums article:

    Trump is most objectionable to the most reliable and loyal Republican voters, exactly the kind of people who vote Republican for every office all the way down to county commissioner. Perhaps the very most reliable and most loyal will show up no matter what, skip the top line, and otherwise vote the straight ticket. Or perhaps not.

    If Trump is denied the nomination I’m going to write him in as my choice for president, and vote straight party ticket down ballot. Straight Democratic ticket.

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    From Frums article:

    ...Perhaps the very most reliable and most loyal will show up no matter what, skip the top line, and otherwise vote the straight ticket. Or perhaps not...

    Deep-thinking punditry at its best.
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  32. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    While all these nice students (presumably a good number who are foreign?) fight off the vast forces of microaggression, who is looking out for these folks?

    “At Hertz IT, sheriffs, shock and tough choices”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Mar 10, 2016:

    “…Hertz’s IT employees were told by the CIO the firm was expanding its outsourcing work with IBM. It wasn’t known then how many would lose their jobs or ultimately be hired by IBM. …

    …About 300 Hertz IT employees, most located in Oklahoma City, were impacted by this decision. IBM is hiring about 75 and those workers are expecting to receive offers today. …

    …Hertz took precautions. On the day that IT employees learned that their work was shifting to IBM, employees noticed Oklahoma sheriff patrol vehicles in the building’s parking lot. …

    …Hertz IT employees had to make difficult choices. …

    …Employees’ severance packages range from four weeks to a year…

    … “I don’t think anybody thinks that being rebadged to IBM is anything other than a one year-stay of execution,” …

    …IBM has been working with Hertz for some 20 years, and employees have seen what happens to rebadged employees in previous outsourcing expansions. Many employees were cut after a year.

    …the process works like this: First IBM will ask them if they want an offer. If employees say “no” before receiving a final written offer, they can keep their severance. But if an employee accepts the IBM offer and then later rejects it, the severance may be lost. …

    IBM runs large offshore operations and its Hertz IT employees have been told that they will be involved in “shadowing,” a term used to describe training replacements. …

    IBM India Private Limited, a IBM subsidiary, has filed paperwork for H-1B visa workers for Hertz Technology offices. …”

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  33. Lot says:

    Restrictions on the ability of local authorities to enter a university and prosecute students and faculty go back much longer than Argentina, but the Sorbonne, Oxford, and Cambridge.

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  34. Jefferson says:
    @Lugash
    If Trump has the nomination stolen from him it would be delicious to see BLM/Soros/Et Al disrupt Cruz or Rubio in the same manner. I can hear them crying just thinking about it.

    ” Trump has the nomination stolen from him it would be delicious to see BLM/Soros/Et Al disrupt Cruz or Rubio in the same manner. I can hear them crying just thinking about it.”

    A stolen election would not be given to Ted Cruz. The GOP Establishment hates him as much as they hate Donald Trump. A stolen election would either be given to Little Marco or Mitt Romney.

    The GOP Establishment sees Ted Cruz as a male version of Sarah Palin. They see Little Marco as the Republican version of Hussein Obama and John F. Kennedy. They see him as the savior, the chosen one.

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  35. “Tia Oso, national coordinator for Black Alliance for Just Immigration..”

    And, whaddya know, she’s also a layabout criminal:

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

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    "Aunt Bear" is aptly named
    , @Connecticut Famer
    Not surprising. I am still interested in knowing who exactly is funding this BLM thing anyway. Soros maybe? Possibly even--dare I ask?--the Clinton "Foundation?"
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  36. In addition to being a tireless worker with abundant energy, Trump appears to have a long memory. Should he win the White House, its a safe bet that he would bring the law and order policies of former NY mayor Rudy Giuliani to a national level.

    Speaking of law and order, this does remind one of 1968, when far leftists disrupted the Democratic Convention in Chicago. One has to ask here, does BLM and Soros funded groups think that they are actually persuading independent/moderate voters into supporting their cause, OR are they rather driving more and more voters….to support Trump at the ballot box? If anything, like the Mitt Romney criticism, BLM/protesting/coalition of fringes nuttery may just have the opposite effect and drive more and more independent voters into fully supporting Trump’s candidacy. This is why I’ve said before that Trump, if he is the GOP nominee in November, should carry ca. 70% of the total white vote; BLM/overall fringe nuttery is helping to make this a reality.

    Trump has publicly run on a law and order platform. This weekend is making his case that voters should seriously consider the truthiness of his words.

    “One man with courage is a majority”—Andrew Jackson

    PS: William Jennings Bryan-Cruz won another caucus, Wyoming, another state that is in the Mountain region.

    FACT: UT is the final GOP caucus (March 22, which is also in the Mountain region). The rest from here on out are primaries, of which Trump has dominated.

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  37. Lot says:

    From wikipedia

    Students in the medieval universities enjoyed certain exemptions from the jurisdiction of the ordinary civil courts. These privileges were normally safeguarded by a conservator Apostolic, usually a bishop or archbishop appointed by the pope. By the Papal bull Parens scientiarum (“Father of the Sciences”[1]) (1231), the charter of the University of Paris, Pope Gregory IX authorized the masters, in the event of an outrage committed by anyone upon a scholar and not redressed within fifteen days, to suspend their lectures. This right of cessation of lectures was frequently made use of in conflicts between town and gown. On various occasions, the popes themselves intervened to protect the scholars against encroachments by the local civil authorities. Pope Nicholas IV in 1288 threatened to disrupt the studium at Padua unless the municipal authorities repealed within fifteen days ordinances they had framed against scholars. It became quite common for the university to lay its grievances against the city fathers before the Holy See, and its appeal was usually successful. (See The Catholic Encyclopedia for a more in-depth discussion.)

    Thus, medieval students were under the legal protection of the clergy, who protected them from physical harm. They could be tried for crimes only in a church court under Canon law. The protection from civil law gave students free rein in the urban environs to break secular laws with near impunity. This often led to abuses and outright criminal behavior among students who realized they enjoyed immunity from civil authorities. The anomalous jurisdictional situation only exacerbated tensions between town and gown.

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    Didn't John Calvin talk about his rowdy college days, the hard partying and drunken revelry? Students were a holy terror back then.
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  38. Lot says:

    I assume Trump appreciates these attacks as free PR. They also will endear him to the typical Ted Cruz voter.

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  39. Jefferson says:

    Some Republicans are saying Donald Trump should not have held a rally in such a Far Left Wing city like Chicago.

    Chicago is extremely unfriendly territory to Conservatives and Republicans. Communist Kim Jung Un would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents. ISIS would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents.

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    Some Republicans are saying Donald Trump should not have held a rally in such a Far Left Wing city like Chicago.

    So for American citizens who hold political views in the tradition of the Founders and seek to exercise their rights of assembly and free speech, the Second City is like one of those suburbs of Paris where Muslims rule, a "no-go zone" for native Frenchmen and the authorities.
    , @e
    Those same people will scream and yell if a GOP candidate doesn't campaign in "diverse and vibrant" areas.
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  40. wren says:
    @celt darnell
    Obi Wan Trump, surely.

    That will be his third act, evidently. Switching from the dark side of the force.

    Perhaps this is the beginning.

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  41. Olorin says:
    @27 year old
    Yeah it's hypocritical but what are we going to do about it?

    Trace the money that facilitates these groups back to their sources.

    Then anywhere there is property damage or personal harm done, prosecute it and them under the RICO Act.

    Forgive me for repeating myself here. But the same cluster of wallets and agendas are behind all of this mayhem. See:

    http://discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=funder

    https://www.opensecrets.org/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MoveOn#Financial_contributors

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/15/the-progressive-movement-is-a-pr-front-for-rich-democrats/

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    Thread winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RICO RICO RICO RICO RICO RICO
    , @AndrewR
    Under Obama and Lynch? Not gonna happen.
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  42. Svigor says:

    “Good, good!” Soros cackled, rubbing his hands. “Use your aggressive feelings, boy!”

    It’s like they want Trump elected.

    Other local and national activism groups also got involved, including some local labor organizations, Black Lives Matter and MoveOn.Org, which has endorsed Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders.

    Organizers of the demonstration and Sanders said Saturday that the protest was not in any way officially affiliated with his campaign, despite claims from Trump on Twitter that it was “Clinton and Sanders people who disrupted my rally.”

    “As is the case virtually every day, Donald Trump is showing the American people that he is a pathological liar,” Sanders said in a statement. “Obviously, while I appreciate that we had supporters at Trump’s rally in Chicago, our campaign did not organize the protests.”

    The author seems to be calling Sanders a liar.

    An awful lot of whites are watching this and thinking, “if Trump’s taking this much flak, he must be over the target.”

    Rubio said it well:

    “This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind,’” Rubio said at a morning press conference in Largo, Fla. “Well, there are other people that are angry, too. And if they speak out and say whatever they want, it all breaks down. It’s called chaos. It’s called anarchy. And that’s what we’re careening towards.”

    Or, “somebody’s got to be the adult and surrender all the time. C’mon whitey, elect me and we’ll lose with class.”

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  43. “As an undocumented UIC graduate student”

    Every US citizen would do well to meditate on this quote. Suppose you started taking grad-classes in Russia or China, and “overstayed” your visa. Would you say so to a reporter?

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    Yes, my immediate reaction is to be surprised by his effrontery. But then I remember where I live and when, and realize no one cares. This is a country in which you can be "undocumented" and a graduate student at an otherwise perfectly respectable university, and you can advertise it in the national media. That's just a fact.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Maybe from a jail cell while you awaited your deportation.
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  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    Well said. That would be a good plan.

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/12/attempted_attack_on_donald_trump_was_worse_than_it_looked.html

    This link shows "new footage" of the attack shot from in front of Trump. I got suckered by the headline "worse than it looked" but after viewing it appears this guy was a jerk with no plan. Not much different from the drunks who get on the infield in the late innings.

    The security team protective hug of Trump (away from the action) seems clumsy. Weak.

    “This link shows “new footage” of the attack shot from in front of Trump. I got suckered by the headline “worse than it looked” but after viewing it appears this guy was a jerk with no plan. Not much different from the drunks who get on the infield in the late innings.”

    You need to read the archive of his Twitter account (someone here posted a link to it). The guy might have had a poorly conceived plan, but it was definitely premeditated, and it sounded like his intentions were not all benign. I think he might have mentioned something about being a martyr.

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  46. BenKenobi says:
    @wren
    If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    -Darth Trump

    I feel like I should gratuitously chime in here.

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  47. MG says:

    The truth about the Chicago fascists who disrupted Trump’s rally -

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  48. Does anyone know the last time it was acceptable for a presidential candidate’s supporters to physically disrupt another candidate’s rallies in the U.S? Was it ever acceptable to attack another candidate’s person? Maybe back in Andrew Jackson’s day? Is Bernie the first?

    And, isn’t it against the law to disrupt a political rally where the secret service is protecting a candidate? Apparently, Obama signed such a law. So Bernie may be engaged in a criminal conspiracy now that he has endorsed the disruption.

    It is a crime, punishable by imprisonment, to “knowingly impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3408501/posts

    As journalist Dahlia Lithwick and First Amendment lawyer Raymond Vasvari observed in 2012, when the federal law on trespass was quietly amended by H.R. 347 — it is a crime, punishable by up to a year in prison, to “knowingly… impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located

    https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/now-hes-guarded-secret-service-federal-law-criminalizes-protesting-trump/

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  49. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “…Thus, medieval students were under the legal protection of the clergy, who protected them from physical harm. They could be tried for crimes only in a church court under Canon law. The protection from civil law gave students free rein in the urban environs…”

    The old “church ground” business. Don’t we pretty much have the same thing today in US universities, only the precise definition of “church” is a bit vague? Maybe it is not a “church” so much as along the lines of those old somewhat hazily church-related monastaries where the members had become dissolute? Instead of “clergy” is it now “administrator”? Or SJW? Or perhaps even “baby-sitter”?

    Funny how things revert to “deep form”.

    I wonder if we’re ever going to see the equivalent of Henry VIII seizing the monastaries (and selling them off).

    Dissolution of the Monasteries:

    “…The dissolution of the monasteries in the late 1530s was one of the most revolutionary events in English history. …one adult man in fifty was in religious orders…”

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  50. J.Ross says: • Website

    “My attack is your fault! You need to stop provoking me if we’re ever to have peace!”
    Everyone who has wasted time on Israel-Palestine recognizes this reasoning. This is the “cr[ying] out as they hit you,” which you may have heard of.

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    “My attack is your fault! You need to stop provoking me if we’re ever to have peace!”

    Cold-blooded mass murder as a cry for help.
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  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Perhaps this is a good term for our modern “safe-space” schools of higher-learning: the “ecclesiastical estate”.

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  52. A man gave a controversial political speech to an audience in Chicago, and a riot broke out. Am I really the first person in this thread to point out the parallels to Terminiello v. City of Chicago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminiello_v._City_of_Chicago

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    Except no one gave a speech. There wasn't a riot, either, exactly. There was violence, but that was in order to stop someone from giving a speech.
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  53. … and the Fearless Undocumented Association, which advocates for immigrants in the country illegally.

    Let’s see, the initials of “Fearless Undocumented Association” would be FUA, which sounds like “F**k You, America”. Please don’t tell me I’m the first one to notice the “coincidence”.

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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    On a related note–it looks like David Frum has taken your advice on portraying the democrats as the “Black Interest Party.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-risk-of-the-third-party-solution/473499/

    “the 1968 election confirmed the Democrats as the party of black interests and black votes.”

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  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Americans see things differently. This was retweeted by an LA-based venture capitalist I follow.

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  56. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Apparently, a Trump-supporter started a Twitter account to form volunteer security teams for Trump rallies, but the account was shut down.

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    Apparently the account was closed voluntarily. Well, sort of:



    Source
    , @larry lurker
    Apparently the account was closed voluntarily. Well, sort of:

    Someone just DM'd me a photo of my child's school front accompanied by a "I'm coming for him" message. I'm closing this account until safe.
     
    Screencap of tweet

    Reddit thread
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  57. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    And this one claims MoveOn.org gave Chicagoans $100 EBT credits to protest Trump.

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  58. @Anonymous
    "“As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university,” organizer Jorge Mena wrote in an open letter to the school’s administration."

    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he's undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school's administration.

    “As an undocumented UIC graduate student, I feel unsafe knowing that Trump along with his followers will be at my university”

    You feel unsafe? Kind of the point, dude.

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  59. george says:
    @TangoMan
    Steve, you might find the latest Frum article interesting.

    Black Agenda Report wrote a similar article to Frum’s.

    A Republican Meltdown Won’t Make the Democrats Better

    “The Democrats are likely to escape such an implosion, unless Hillary’s inner witch makes it impossible for the Sandernistas to quietly acquiesce to her coronation.”

    http://blackagendareport.com/republican_meltdown_and_dems

    In other news:

    Safe space losing students:
    University of Missouri Announces Budget Cuts, Hiring Freeze

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-missouri-announces-budget-cuts-hiring-freeze-37534689

    A very patronizing Obama comments on a safe spaces through aerial bombardment advocate.
    “Samantha, enough, I’ve already read your book,”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

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    The most revealing Obama quote from that interview:

    If only everyone could be like the Scandinavians, this would all be easy
     
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  60. 22pp22 says:

    I see the US now has its equivalent of United Against Fascism and Antifa. They operate to silence dissenters using violence. The police rarely intervene.

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  61. Zach says:

    Actually the anti-Trump violence should be traced back to the Obama/Holder sponsored riots in Ferguson.

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  62. RolfDan says:
    @george
    Black Agenda Report wrote a similar article to Frum's.

    A Republican Meltdown Won’t Make the Democrats Better

    “The Democrats are likely to escape such an implosion, unless Hillary’s inner witch makes it impossible for the Sandernistas to quietly acquiesce to her coronation.”

    http://blackagendareport.com/republican_meltdown_and_dems

    In other news:

    Safe space losing students:
    University of Missouri Announces Budget Cuts, Hiring Freeze
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-missouri-announces-budget-cuts-hiring-freeze-37534689

    A very patronizing Obama comments on a safe spaces through aerial bombardment advocate.
    “Samantha, enough, I’ve already read your book,”
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

    The most revealing Obama quote from that interview:

    If only everyone could be like the Scandinavians, this would all be easy

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  63. Others in the crowd yelled slogans in support of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

    That–and the fact that both BLM and MoveOn.org are Soros-outfits–is how we know that the protesters were working for Hellary.

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  64. @Bill P

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.
     
    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn't any core to speak of anymore.

    Maybe we're back in something like French/English/Spanish/African/Amerindian North America circa 1760.

    I really wouldn't put it past the new Loyalists to support BLM over Trump. Or a lot of immigrants to support Trump over both of them. It's virgin territory, politically speaking.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.

    PC is no longer “fringe”. It is, in fact, the new bourgeois morality. It must be embraced by all ‘right-thinking’ educated persons, from senators and CEOs on down to ordinary accountants and adjunct professors. To repudiate it publicly is to invite total ostracism–if not legal sanction.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    The plutocracy as represented by Soros and the cheap labour lobby is a "fringe" in the sense of being a minority of the population. It supports and funds the much more numerous SJWs.
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  65. @i am the walrus
    Who benefits? It would seem to me that Hillary is the winner. I believe she was spooked by the Michigan results. Stirring up a racial frenzy is a means of increasing minority turnout, her strength. At the same time, blue collar whites, her biggest weakness, will be turned off by the protests and Bernie's supporters association with it. So, on Tuesday, white working class voters are more likely to gravitate away from Sanders towards her or crossover and vote for Trump. She knows Bernie can't distance himself from the protests, even if he were to suspect it was a setup, because he is a socialist after all.

    She knows Bernie can’t distance himself from the protests, even if he were to suspect it was a setup, because he is a socialist after all.

    Yes, exactly. Cui bono? It’s obviously Hellary. She wants to use violent false-flags in order to discredit Trump and Sanders both so that she can present herself to a frightened public as the ‘law and order’ candidate–just like Nixon in 68. ‘Don’t take a risk on one of these guys,’ she will say. ‘I’m the devil you know.’

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  66. In 31 Years I’ve Never Voted in a U.S. Election – but I Will Against Trump

    It’s not enough to beat Trump – his candidacy and what it stands for has to be utterly destroyed. America must violently cast him out. It must write in the sky, ‘this is not us.’

    Larry Derfner

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  67. Others in the crowd yelled slogans in support of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

    How long do you think it will be before some fanatical pro-Trump people decide to launch ‘retaliatory strikes’ at Bernie rallies? Clearly, Hellary would stand to gain from a scenario where supporters of Sanders and Trump start beefing. Not only does this help to strengthen the Trump-as-thuggish-klansman narrative, but it also ensure that most of Bernie’s supporters will not defect to Trump if Hellary wins the nomination. There will simply be too much bad blood for that to happen.

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  68. @Lugash
    From Frums article:

    Trump is most objectionable to the most reliable and loyal Republican voters, exactly the kind of people who vote Republican for every office all the way down to county commissioner. Perhaps the very most reliable and most loyal will show up no matter what, skip the top line, and otherwise vote the straight ticket. Or perhaps not.

    If Trump is denied the nomination I'm going to write him in as my choice for president, and vote straight party ticket down ballot. Straight Democratic ticket.

    From Frums article:

    …Perhaps the very most reliable and most loyal will show up no matter what, skip the top line, and otherwise vote the straight ticket. Or perhaps not…

    Deep-thinking punditry at its best.

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  69. hbd chick says: • Website

    “…and the Pretenders and Iggy Pop there in 1986.”

    me, too! (^_^)

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  70. @Jefferson
    Some Republicans are saying Donald Trump should not have held a rally in such a Far Left Wing city like Chicago.

    Chicago is extremely unfriendly territory to Conservatives and Republicans. Communist Kim Jung Un would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents. ISIS would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents.

    Some Republicans are saying Donald Trump should not have held a rally in such a Far Left Wing city like Chicago.

    So for American citizens who hold political views in the tradition of the Founders and seek to exercise their rights of assembly and free speech, the Second City is like one of those suburbs of Paris where Muslims rule, a “no-go zone” for native Frenchmen and the authorities.

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  71. I visit Colombia on occasion. It’s the same thing there; the National University of Bogota is a graffiti painted concrete jungle. I saw a brilliant concert of their National Youth Orchestra there, but the exterior was so bleak. A friend gave me a walk-through of the University in Medellin; same thing-graffiti covers everything. I asked him why they didn’t clean it off, and he said “They do – but only once or twice a year-this is just this year’s.” He told me it took him 5 years to graduate instead of 4, because the habitual student protests cause so many classes to be cancelled.

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  72. Hodag says:

    The best concert I ever saw at UIC was in 1984 George Thorogood and the Delaware Destroyers. The last concert I will ever go to there was Beck a decade ago. U of I went dry at their stadiums and I need a lot of booze to put up with Beck. We left after 40 minutes.

    I have actually sworn off live venues for music not called Ravinia. I really wrecked my hearing in my youth and loud restaurants are a bridge too far for me. The last rock concert period I went to was a band called The Eagles of Death Metal 8 or so years ago. I had to explain that stupid name to people for years when they asked what was the last show I attended. Now I do not have to. So if there is an upside to the Paris attacks, there you go.

    BTW, a fake hate crime at Northwestern, with Nazi and pro Trump stuff, is being charged as a felony. The perps are a Morales and Kafkwr. Look it up.

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  73. @J.Ross
    "My attack is your fault! You need to stop provoking me if we're ever to have peace!"
    Everyone who has wasted time on Israel-Palestine recognizes this reasoning. This is the "cr[ying] out as they hit you," which you may have heard of.

    “My attack is your fault! You need to stop provoking me if we’re ever to have peace!”

    Cold-blooded mass murder as a cry for help.

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  74. “As an undocumented UIC graduate student…”

    Wait, what? Am I reading this incorrectly, or is it now possible to openly admit that you are in the country illegally in a signed, public letter addressed to your employer?

    This is a level of lawlessness that shocks even my European sensibilities.

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  75. @Dave Pinsen

    "As an undocumented UIC graduate student...
     
    "Undocumented" is the dumbest euphemism. How does one even get into graduate school without documents (transcripts, etc.)? Presumably, he has a student ID, which is a document too.

    Yeah it doesn’t seem to me that the “undocumented” are disenfranchised and “living in the shadows” if they’re attending graduate school.

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    I was trying to figure out if that means he's in the country without permission, or hanging around the university without having been formally admitted....
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  76. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    When a candidate rents a hall in which to speak and when private citizens have taken the time and trouble to attend and hear what this speaker has to say, is their right to hear him rather than some disruptive protestor protected by some variety of right to peaceable assembly?

    If we pay to attend a professional basketball game and some clown runs out on the court dribbling his own ball and starts shooting baskets, do we tolerate his behavior in the name of “freedom of expression” or are we not delighted when security tackles the idiot?

    If we are attending a theater and someone in the audience disrupts the performance by loudly giving vent to his personal views on the world, do we good-naturedly tolerate the interruption and listen closely to the text of what he is saying in order to assess its merits relative to the lines of the actors whom we came to hear?

    If we are on a jet airplane 35,000 feet in the air and some person gets out of their seat and belligerently rants about some private grievance do we allow them to continue undisturbed, acknowledging their right to freedom of expression or are we not grateful when the flight attendants shut him down (and hopefully sedate him)?

    Please help me out here people.

    What is the general Law which you, as Chief Justice, would invoke that would justify suppressing the disruptive behavior of the offending individual in all these cases?

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    Please help me out here people.

    What is the general Law which you, as Chief Justice, would invoke that would justify suppressing the disruptive behavior of the offending individual in all these cases?
     
    It appears that Obama signed legislation in 2012 criminalizing the actions of the Chicago "protesters".


    It is a crime, punishable by imprisonment, to “knowingly impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located.
     
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3408501/posts
    , @scrivener3
    Its a private assembly in a rented venue. Its like you rent a hall for your wedding and your ex comes in and decides to stand during the ceremony and yell out all the crappy stuff you did. You have every right to throw her out. Or not invite her in the first place and bar her entry.

    Or you go to the Opera and someone stands and starts to speak loudly about their views on Syria. Its a private venue, the people who own it or rent it can determine what is heard inside. An airplane cabin is owned by the airline.

    The public has a 1st amendment right to protest peaceably on nearby public property, or in their own venue. The supreme court ruled a shopping mall, although private and normally subject to the control of the owners, served the purpose of of a public commons in benighted suburbia so allowed the 1st amendment to apply to speech activity (religious groups speaking to passerby's).
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  77. SFG says:
    @wren
    If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    -Darth Trump

    His lightsaber is, of course, a brilliant red, the most bright red you’ve ever seen, with a gold-plated hilt.

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  78. SFG says:

    One thing I’m wondering here:

    A few weeks ago Sanders kept losing because black people didn’t like him. Now they’re breaking up Trump rallies on his behalf?

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  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Olorin
    Trace the money that facilitates these groups back to their sources.

    Then anywhere there is property damage or personal harm done, prosecute it and them under the RICO Act.

    Forgive me for repeating myself here. But the same cluster of wallets and agendas are behind all of this mayhem. See:

    http://discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=funder

    https://www.opensecrets.org/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MoveOn#Financial_contributors

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/15/the-progressive-movement-is-a-pr-front-for-rich-democrats/

    Thread winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RICO RICO RICO RICO RICO RICO

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  80. Rob McX says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn’t any core to speak of anymore.
     
    PC is no longer "fringe". It is, in fact, the new bourgeois morality. It must be embraced by all 'right-thinking' educated persons, from senators and CEOs on down to ordinary accountants and adjunct professors. To repudiate it publicly is to invite total ostracism--if not legal sanction.

    The plutocracy as represented by Soros and the cheap labour lobby is a “fringe” in the sense of being a minority of the population. It supports and funds the much more numerous SJWs.

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    The SJWs aren't that numerous either (although they may be getting there among millenials, which could spell their demise). The SJWs' purpose is to get a rise out of the sort of people that the truly numerous like to identity themselves as better than, in order to solidify that identity and get them to vote against those aggravated by SJWs, instead of in their own interest.
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  81. Trump is the Great Escalator:

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  82. AndrewR says:
    @Bill P

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.
     
    Like I said in another comment, this is where BLM and the Romneyites converge.

    I think there needs to be a better explanation than merely the coalition of the fringes, because when the most establishmenty guys of all provide some of the cues for the protesters maybe we ought to entertain the notion that there isn't any core to speak of anymore.

    Maybe we're back in something like French/English/Spanish/African/Amerindian North America circa 1760.

    I really wouldn't put it past the new Loyalists to support BLM over Trump. Or a lot of immigrants to support Trump over both of them. It's virgin territory, politically speaking.

    I don’t dispute your premise (obviously Romney is a keystone of the establishment) but how on earth did a Mormon become one of the most prominent faces of the establishment???

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    His father was the head of American Motors, Governor of Michigan, Secretary of HUD and a serious candidate for the Presidency as well as a Mormon. I think people cared less about his religion then than today. Interestingly, he was born in Mexico of American parents and no one seemed to think he was ineligible to be President.
    , @Rob McX
    Why would his religion matter? Provided he subscribes to the GOP/cuckservative agenda, it doesn't make the slightest difference.
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  83. AndrewR says:
    @Olorin
    Trace the money that facilitates these groups back to their sources.

    Then anywhere there is property damage or personal harm done, prosecute it and them under the RICO Act.

    Forgive me for repeating myself here. But the same cluster of wallets and agendas are behind all of this mayhem. See:

    http://discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=funder

    https://www.opensecrets.org/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MoveOn#Financial_contributors

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/15/the-progressive-movement-is-a-pr-front-for-rich-democrats/

    Under Obama and Lynch? Not gonna happen.

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    Agree. But 27 was asking what to do. Not what will happen in the term. ;)
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  84. “We were not opposed to free speech,” [Pallares] continued.

    When someone says this, they generally ARE opposed to free speech.

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  86. In Europe, before the rise of Nationalism/Statism (i.e., the State uber alles, or, in the words of Mussolini, “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”), it was not uncommon for the Church, universities, guilds, and so-called “Free Cities” to be jurisdictions unto themselves.

    The Windy City “protesters” remind me of the folks in Little Rock in the ’50s who “rallied” to keep their schools white-only. The purpose of these “safe spaces” is segregation, and the laws that protect them are called “Jim Crow” laws. The ability to enforce them is a true sign of power.

    These latter day “activists” propose the backdoor (i.e., somewhat redirected) reintroduction of an “evil” meant to have been forever removed by the civil rights movement and The Great Society.

    It can’t be denied that, along with other such accomplishments as the Yale University campus blossoming into the 2015 version of 1950s Selma, AL, the policies of the progressives who have been in undisputed charge of society for the last 60 years are a marvelous success. «irony alert»

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  87. bossel says:

    “So the violent protesters shutting down a public political gathering were engaging in self-defense, since everybody knows from watching TV that Trump supporters are Ku Klux Klanners and Nazis, so violence is okay.”
    So you’re sure that those who became violent are the same ones quoted? How so? You’re just showing again that you are as biased & bigoted as the MSM.

    For what I saw, violence came from both sides & on both sides it was only a minority which was violent.

    & isn’t this exactly what Trump wants? Hasn’t he complained about US citizens being too peaceful?
    With his rhetoric it was anyway only a matter of time until idiots (of which there are many) among his supporters or opponents would become violent.

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    Trump tosses around some pretty inflammatory rhetoric, and the MSM had been running some very inflammatory rhetoric against him. I'm not surprised there are some clashes.

    I do wonder to what extent this was orchestrated (or simply exploited) by Trump. This whole election, watching Trump vs the other candidates has been like watching a really good chess player play against a bunch of novices. And this image of protesters (especially young, nonwhite, leftist, educated SJW types) trying to shut Trump down is going to play very well with his natural voters.
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  88. @iSteveFan
    I saw bits and pieces from three of Trump's speeches today, and from the one in St Louis yesterday. In each speech he was interrupted several times. The protests were staged to burn one protester every five minutes or so. So instead of one big protest, you got all these little protests.

    Yet Trump surprisingly stayed focused and calm. Even when he was giving some anecdote and was interrupted for 5 minutes, he seemed to be able to recover and continue. That's impressive for a 69 year old without notes.

    The bottom line is that I am impressed with his ability to maintain his self control and not lose his temper or just storm out. He waited out the disturbances, tried to remain upbeat and soldiered on. Looking at all the traveling he has done in the past 24 hours, I am amazed.

    The bottom line is that I am impressed with his ability to maintain his self control and not lose his temper or just storm out.

    Very impressive indeed. I wonder where that even comes from; he never had to deal with this sort of thing in business.

    Though I’m still suspicious of him, and a week ago I gave him a 50% chance of betraying us once he’s elected, incidents like this make me think he really is a man on a serious mission. He’d be nuts to take these risks otherwise.

    At this point, unfortunately, my 50% chance applies to his getting assassinated.

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    The last statement definitely falls under the "If You Think We Got Problems Now" department.
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  89. Hunsdon says:
    @TangoMan
    Steve, you might find the latest Frum article interesting.

    From Frum: Some significant number of Republicans just won’t vote for Trump. When people don’t want to vote for the top of a ticket, they often stay home altogether, dooming every close race lower down on the ticket.

    So we’ve lost the votes of Bill Kristol and Max Boot.

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    For 30 years we were supposed to hold our noses and vote for the guy who would cut the taxes of the rich, flood the country with guest workers, and send our jobs offshore in the hopes we might get a bone. Now they won't hold their noses and vote for our guy.
    , @SFG
    He also raises the possibility the party will change forever as a result.

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I'm pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.
    , @Polynikes
    No, this is somewhat true. I live in Wisconsin, and it'll be a major issue here. The most anti-trump people are establishment Republicans. They've poisoned the well, so they only have themselves to blame. But it'll be an issue.
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  90. Evocatus says:
    @President Camacho
    "Tia Oso, national coordinator for Black Alliance for Just Immigration.."

    And, whaddya know, she's also a layabout criminal:

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

    “Aunt Bear” is aptly named

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  91. Flip says:

    So I guess Trump’s going to have to develop his Sturmabteilung to combat Sanders’ Roter Frontkämpferbund.

    Weimar America…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Frontk%C3%A4mpferbund

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  92. @President Camacho
    "Tia Oso, national coordinator for Black Alliance for Just Immigration.."

    And, whaddya know, she's also a layabout criminal:

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

    Not surprising. I am still interested in knowing who exactly is funding this BLM thing anyway. Soros maybe? Possibly even–dare I ask?–the Clinton “Foundation?”

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  93. Any estimates out there on the number of people who will vote the undercard but not for the president? That’s the way I’m leaning.

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  94. @International Jew

    The bottom line is that I am impressed with his ability to maintain his self control and not lose his temper or just storm out.
     
    Very impressive indeed. I wonder where that even comes from; he never had to deal with this sort of thing in business.

    Though I'm still suspicious of him, and a week ago I gave him a 50% chance of betraying us once he's elected, incidents like this make me think he really is a man on a serious mission. He'd be nuts to take these risks otherwise.

    At this point, unfortunately, my 50% chance applies to his getting assassinated.

    The last statement definitely falls under the “If You Think We Got Problems Now” department.

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  95. Big Bill says:
    @Lot
    From wikipedia


    Students in the medieval universities enjoyed certain exemptions from the jurisdiction of the ordinary civil courts. These privileges were normally safeguarded by a conservator Apostolic, usually a bishop or archbishop appointed by the pope. By the Papal bull Parens scientiarum ("Father of the Sciences"[1]) (1231), the charter of the University of Paris, Pope Gregory IX authorized the masters, in the event of an outrage committed by anyone upon a scholar and not redressed within fifteen days, to suspend their lectures. This right of cessation of lectures was frequently made use of in conflicts between town and gown. On various occasions, the popes themselves intervened to protect the scholars against encroachments by the local civil authorities. Pope Nicholas IV in 1288 threatened to disrupt the studium at Padua unless the municipal authorities repealed within fifteen days ordinances they had framed against scholars. It became quite common for the university to lay its grievances against the city fathers before the Holy See, and its appeal was usually successful. (See The Catholic Encyclopedia for a more in-depth discussion.)

    Thus, medieval students were under the legal protection of the clergy, who protected them from physical harm. They could be tried for crimes only in a church court under Canon law. The protection from civil law gave students free rein in the urban environs to break secular laws with near impunity. This often led to abuses and outright criminal behavior among students who realized they enjoyed immunity from civil authorities. The anomalous jurisdictional situation only exacerbated tensions between town and gown.
     

    Didn’t John Calvin talk about his rowdy college days, the hard partying and drunken revelry? Students were a holy terror back then.

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  96. MarkinLA says:
    @Hunsdon
    From Frum: Some significant number of Republicans just won’t vote for Trump. When people don’t want to vote for the top of a ticket, they often stay home altogether, dooming every close race lower down on the ticket.

    So we've lost the votes of Bill Kristol and Max Boot.

    For 30 years we were supposed to hold our noses and vote for the guy who would cut the taxes of the rich, flood the country with guest workers, and send our jobs offshore in the hopes we might get a bone. Now they won’t hold their noses and vote for our guy.

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    Exactly! "Most important election ever." "We must stop Hillary." "Sure, he's not as conservative as we might like, but party loyalty demands . . . " "What about the Supreme Court justices!"

    Now, all of a sudden, it's a whole different story.

    All of a sudden a certain part of the Republican elites are discovering that, hey, that Hillary gal, maybe she's not all bad.
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  97. Big Bill says:
    @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    Alternatively, citizens could file suit under the federal Tort Claims Act to recover federal funds illegally spent by colleges on setbacks. If Trump merely announced that he would support such whistleblowers you would see all hell break loose.

    There are plenty of loyalist insiders who know the identities and illegal immigration status of students. They would come out of the woodwork to rat out the universities for fraudulently and knowingly dissipating federal funds on wetback students.

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    Ratting out your employer for violating the False Claims Act can be like winning the Lottery (the people who brought TAP Pharmaceuticals to heel over Lupron got millions...yes, millions.)

    Let's see similar payouts for revealing such gangrene in public institutions, especially universities.

    Let the games begin!
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  98. SFG says:
    @Hunsdon
    From Frum: Some significant number of Republicans just won’t vote for Trump. When people don’t want to vote for the top of a ticket, they often stay home altogether, dooming every close race lower down on the ticket.

    So we've lost the votes of Bill Kristol and Max Boot.

    He also raises the possibility the party will change forever as a result.

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I’m pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.

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    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I’m pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.
     
    No doubt the future is difficult to predict but I believe that many feel that the present is so bad, what difference does it make, to use a phrase popular among the elite.
    , @Hunsdon
    I can remember a time when the GOP stood for more than just cutting taxes and killing our little brown brothers. It's been a while, though.

    I don't want to invade the world; I don't want to invite the world, and I don't want to be in hock to the world.

    Is Libya better off today than it was under Cathafi? Is Iraq better off now than it was under Saddam? (Some people, sure.)

    Is America better off for having a substantial Somali community in Minnesota? If so, how?

    People talk about free trade and comparative advantage and forget that the United States isn't just some other country----it's the single largest market in the world. Why not experiment some with tarrifs to move production back in country?

    Do we benefit from having the Chinese manufacture our dog food? Chips for our missiles?

    Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban might be fine gentlemen on the whole but I somehow suspect that they are a wee bit more concerned about Israel than the average American is.

    (These questions and statements are a grand way to ensure that Rich Lowry will never invite me over to discuss becoming a columnist for NR.)
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  99. guest says:
    @Gregory Ritter
    "As an undocumented UIC graduate student"

    Every US citizen would do well to meditate on this quote. Suppose you started taking grad-classes in Russia or China, and "overstayed" your visa. Would you say so to a reporter?

    Yes, my immediate reaction is to be surprised by his effrontery. But then I remember where I live and when, and realize no one cares. This is a country in which you can be “undocumented” and a graduate student at an otherwise perfectly respectable university, and you can advertise it in the national media. That’s just a fact.

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  100. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @RolfDan
    The most revealing Obama quote from that interview:

    If only everyone could be like the Scandinavians, this would all be easy
     

    To be like the Scandinavians you have to have their genetics and DNA.

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  101. e says:
    @Jefferson
    Some Republicans are saying Donald Trump should not have held a rally in such a Far Left Wing city like Chicago.

    Chicago is extremely unfriendly territory to Conservatives and Republicans. Communist Kim Jung Un would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents. ISIS would get a warmer reception than Donald Trump from Chicago residents.

    Those same people will scream and yell if a GOP candidate doesn’t campaign in “diverse and vibrant” areas.

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  102. guest says:
    @For what it's worth
    A man gave a controversial political speech to an audience in Chicago, and a riot broke out. Am I really the first person in this thread to point out the parallels to Terminiello v. City of Chicago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminiello_v._City_of_Chicago

    Except no one gave a speech. There wasn’t a riot, either, exactly. There was violence, but that was in order to stop someone from giving a speech.

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    It's still apropos.
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  103. Looks like the fix is in for Ohio, with Kasich suddenly leading. If there were a place to screw over Trump, Ohio would be it. I remember there being some questionable antics there back in the 2004 Bush-Kerry race. Something to do with the Diebold machines. But of course, that’s a conspiracy theory, and only nutjobs believe in those.

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  104. It is a little odd that people who seem to be Sanders supporters should be trying to disrupt Trump rallies. I would have thought that it was Hillary they feared.

    I have lived in several countries and in most of them foreigners who were there without legitimate status are deported home with little fuss, so Trump is not really out of line by international standards. In fact the US deports huge numbers of Dominicans by the planeload for breaching terms of their residency, and not much is heard about it.

    You really cannot live in the US without legal status, because without a social security number and a driver’s license, you cannot buy mandatory health insurance, get car insurance, pay income taxes, pay Medicare tax, pay social security tax, get legal employment, and so on.

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    Disagree. SS number fraud is rampant and easy (http://blog.credit.com/2015/03/the-6-5-million-social-security-numbers-that-shouldnt-exist-111518/) because nobody in the SSA or especially the IRS is doing anything to combat it.

    It would be about a week's work to write a program to look at all 2015 tax returns and flag all those with duplicate SSNs.

    Step 2 would be to send each of these filers a letter saying they will not be getting any refunds or especially EITC dollars for 2016 until they verify their SSN.

    Step 3 would be to send a letter to the welfare office in the state where the filer lives suggesting that they investigate.

    None of this is rocket science, but it will not be done for the same reason the Feds will not enforce existing immigration laws. They just don't give a ****.
    , @ben tillman

    You really cannot live in the US without legal status, because without a social security number and a driver’s license, you cannot buy mandatory health insurance, get car insurance, pay income taxes, pay Medicare tax, pay social security tax, get legal employment, and so on.
     
    Illegals don't need health or auto insurance and don't need to pay income/FICA/Medicare taxes -- and why would they want to pay for these things? And they obviously don't need and can't get legal employment.
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  105. Flip says:
    @AndrewR
    I don't dispute your premise (obviously Romney is a keystone of the establishment) but how on earth did a Mormon become one of the most prominent faces of the establishment???

    His father was the head of American Motors, Governor of Michigan, Secretary of HUD and a serious candidate for the Presidency as well as a Mormon. I think people cared less about his religion then than today. Interestingly, he was born in Mexico of American parents and no one seemed to think he was ineligible to be President.

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  106. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @SFG
    He also raises the possibility the party will change forever as a result.

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I'm pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I’m pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.

    No doubt the future is difficult to predict but I believe that many feel that the present is so bad, what difference does it make, to use a phrase popular among the elite.

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    Anyone who thinks things couldn't get worse than 2016 America is sadly ignorant of both history and the current state of most of the world.
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  107. Richard S says:
    @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    You have an astonishingly good idea. The president using a federal agency actually to enforce the law; it’d be a departure from US norms alright..

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  108. Richard S says:
    @Jefferson
    "The future of America may look rather like the past of Venezuela."

    Venezuela has a higher murder rate than Brazil.

    So if future America turns into Venezuela, instead of saying diversity is our strength we can say diversity is murder, or diversity kills, or diversity is violent.

    we can say diversity is murder, or diversity kills, or diversity is violent.

    We can bloody well say that now, but still we’re force-fed the foolish propaganda slogan that gets further and further away from reality, the more experience with diversity people have. Nothing last for ever, life is change, for every action there is a reaction etc.

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  109. @guest
    Except no one gave a speech. There wasn't a riot, either, exactly. There was violence, but that was in order to stop someone from giving a speech.

    It’s still apropos.

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  110. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “To repudiate it publicly is to invite total ostracism–if not legal sanction.”

    Repudiating PC makes you a heretic in a loosely-documented religion that takes punishing heretics seriously.

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  111. Hunsdon says:
    @MarkinLA
    For 30 years we were supposed to hold our noses and vote for the guy who would cut the taxes of the rich, flood the country with guest workers, and send our jobs offshore in the hopes we might get a bone. Now they won't hold their noses and vote for our guy.

    Exactly! “Most important election ever.” “We must stop Hillary.” “Sure, he’s not as conservative as we might like, but party loyalty demands . . . ” “What about the Supreme Court justices!”

    Now, all of a sudden, it’s a whole different story.

    All of a sudden a certain part of the Republican elites are discovering that, hey, that Hillary gal, maybe she’s not all bad.

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  112. Rob McX says:
    @AndrewR
    I don't dispute your premise (obviously Romney is a keystone of the establishment) but how on earth did a Mormon become one of the most prominent faces of the establishment???

    Why would his religion matter? Provided he subscribes to the GOP/cuckservative agenda, it doesn’t make the slightest difference.

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  113. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “& isn’t this exactly what Trump wants? Hasn’t he complained about US citizens being too peaceful?”

    You can’t document this, can you? I mean “too peaceful” in person, not in positions taken (where you get to define something like building a wall as “not peaceful”?)

    It’s more likely you are just a FUDer trying to sow Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt and get US citizens to act evermore like women-who-love-too-much who are willing to rationalize being repeatedly raped.

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  114. Hunsdon says:
    @SFG
    He also raises the possibility the party will change forever as a result.

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I'm pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.

    I can remember a time when the GOP stood for more than just cutting taxes and killing our little brown brothers. It’s been a while, though.

    I don’t want to invade the world; I don’t want to invite the world, and I don’t want to be in hock to the world.

    Is Libya better off today than it was under Cathafi? Is Iraq better off now than it was under Saddam? (Some people, sure.)

    Is America better off for having a substantial Somali community in Minnesota? If so, how?

    People talk about free trade and comparative advantage and forget that the United States isn’t just some other country—-it’s the single largest market in the world. Why not experiment some with tarrifs to move production back in country?

    Do we benefit from having the Chinese manufacture our dog food? Chips for our missiles?

    Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban might be fine gentlemen on the whole but I somehow suspect that they are a wee bit more concerned about Israel than the average American is.

    (These questions and statements are a grand way to ensure that Rich Lowry will never invite me over to discuss becoming a columnist for NR.)

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  115. @anonymous
    When a candidate rents a hall in which to speak and when private citizens have taken the time and trouble to attend and hear what this speaker has to say, is their right to hear him rather than some disruptive protestor protected by some variety of right to peaceable assembly?

    If we pay to attend a professional basketball game and some clown runs out on the court dribbling his own ball and starts shooting baskets, do we tolerate his behavior in the name of "freedom of expression" or are we not delighted when security tackles the idiot?

    If we are attending a theater and someone in the audience disrupts the performance by loudly giving vent to his personal views on the world, do we good-naturedly tolerate the interruption and listen closely to the text of what he is saying in order to assess its merits relative to the lines of the actors whom we came to hear?

    If we are on a jet airplane 35,000 feet in the air and some person gets out of their seat and belligerently rants about some private grievance do we allow them to continue undisturbed, acknowledging their right to freedom of expression or are we not grateful when the flight attendants shut him down (and hopefully sedate him)?

    Please help me out here people.

    What is the general Law which you, as Chief Justice, would invoke that would justify suppressing the disruptive behavior of the offending individual in all these cases?

    Please help me out here people.

    What is the general Law which you, as Chief Justice, would invoke that would justify suppressing the disruptive behavior of the offending individual in all these cases?

    It appears that Obama signed legislation in 2012 criminalizing the actions of the Chicago “protesters”.

    It is a crime, punishable by imprisonment, to “knowingly impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3408501/posts

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  116. @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    The Trump administration should focus on humiliating and destroying left-wing idiocy (and its followers). He should start a relocation program aimed at dumping millions of blacks and immigrants from red states into nice, white democrat areas – then denounce them for racism when they flee or protest. The only way to destroy the mental illness of the left is to publicly humiliate its followers by giving them what they profess. Progressivism is a mental illness – a personality defect focused on social advancement by extreme (and almost always hypocritical) virtue signalling. Stop fighting the symptoms and destroy the disease.

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    You're repeating back to me the proposal I've been advocating here for a long time. Make white liberal Democrats live up to their speech.
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  117. @Anonymous
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/12/attempted_attack_on_donald_trump_was_worse_than_it_looked.html

    This link shows "new footage" of the attack shot from in front of Trump. I got suckered by the headline "worse than it looked" but after viewing it appears this guy was a jerk with no plan. Not much different from the drunks who get on the infield in the late innings.

    The security team protective hug of Trump (away from the action) seems clumsy. Weak.

    Nothing clumsy about standard security moves to protect the boss from a bullet fired at close range.

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  118. bomag says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What we’re seeing at UIC is the balkanized future of America in which The Diverse can only come together over fear and loathing of whites. Hating whites is the KKKrazy Glue of the coalition of the fringes.
     
    It's more nuanced, though. Didn't you see the way Hillary was forced to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave in order to keep her bona fides? And how readily she did?

    If leukophobes-- i.e., white-haters-- want a big fat pitch to swing at, they could hardly find a more smackable one than "marriage equality", which has infected large portions of the race while leaving other races mostly untouched. Modern whites have lowered themselves beneath pygmies, who understand the nature of marriage.

    Yet the leukophobe left stands and stares, bat on shoulder.

    Something stinks here. Is it "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

    Something stinks here.

    The self hatred is really strong.

    Also, there is a sort of ‘inductive racism’, e.g. only Whites can fix things, or make things work, so they have to be flogged and watched closely to help out The Other.

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    The self hatred is really strong.
     
    And it won't be fixed until it is recognized as the exact opposite of "self-"hatred.

    Those hating identify themselves primarily as those who are better than those who are the objects of their hate. That they choose as those objects other whites does not make the hatred self-hatred. They do not recognize those other whites as being in the same class as themselves, indeed the whole point is to distinguish the two.

    And as is the case with actual white hatred, it doesn't matter what those hated actually do. If they do nothing that can reasonably be considered racist or low-class, incidents will be manufactured to maintain the identity of the haters.

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  119. Here is another comment to help Steve keep things running around here while he is busy in Florida and Ohio…

    Many different interests are involved in throwing the kitchen sink at Donald Trump now. Don’t be surprised if years from now you read that even operatives connected to establishment Republicans, Bushes, and the people who confabbed on Sea Island were aiding and abetting the disruptors.

    The people you see doing the deeds are just Stalin’s useful idiots.

    ‘Cui bono?’ has never been more relevant .

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  120. Polynikes says:
    @Hunsdon
    From Frum: Some significant number of Republicans just won’t vote for Trump. When people don’t want to vote for the top of a ticket, they often stay home altogether, dooming every close race lower down on the ticket.

    So we've lost the votes of Bill Kristol and Max Boot.

    No, this is somewhat true. I live in Wisconsin, and it’ll be a major issue here. The most anti-trump people are establishment Republicans. They’ve poisoned the well, so they only have themselves to blame. But it’ll be an issue.

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  121. [cross-posted from over at Belmont Club]

    As an adjunct adjunct adjunct prof at another campus of the Illinois public university system, I follow events at the University of Illinois, Chicago (UIC) quite closely. On the positive side, when the execrable Dr. Ayers retired from teaching there a few years ago, when walking out the door there, his derriere was slammed quite firmly when his erstwhile colleagues specifically denied him Prof. Emeritus status. I’d never heard of that happening anywhere.

    On the other hand, just before the 2008 election, when far right smart-ass agitator Dr. Stanley Kurtz was about to go on super high-wattage WGN radio with an exposé of Obama’s utter fiasco executive directorship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (for which gig he was carefully groomed and hand-picked by Ayers, then still on the UIC facility, and which ran $130 Million Dollars of foundation and public funds directly down into the sewers of the dysfunctional Chicago public schools apparat with bupkis to show for it —as determined by an unusually robust post-facto evaluation), Ayers himself —presumably— managed to mau-mau the UIC library into denying Kurtz access to the CAC archives. That would have created quite a case against Obama’s claim that Ayers was “just some guy from the neighborhood” who kindly loaned his living room in Hyde Park to Obama’s political debutante party.

    In the end the UIC library had to back off, but when Kurtz eventually got to do his thing on Milt Rosenberg’s call-in program, the even more execrable FaceBook zillionaire Chris Hughes, who was then the Obama HQ’s social media guru, was personally responsible —presumably— for the distributed denial of service operation tying up Rosenberg’s incoming phone lines throughout the Kurtz interview. Nobody in the MSM, not least over at the Chicago Tribune, which owned WGN, had “boo!” to say on any of that.

    It turned out OK in the end when during Hughes’s proprietorship of the New Republic, he managed to drive it into the ground. But at least he succeeded in exterminating all the cooties left over from when Marty Peretz and those other filthy neocons were running the joint.

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  122. Whiskey says: • Website

    Escalation is why most thoughtful big shots throughout history have eschewed assassination, as they too are vulnerable. JFK sponsored plots against Castro, and succeeded against Lumumba. Setting off his own assassination, RFK’s, MLK’s, the attempted assassination of George Wallace, Gerald Ford, culminating in the assassination of John Lennon.

    Hillary! is just as vulnerable to this as anyone else, and so are Bernie, Rubio, Kasich, and Cruz. If Soros can rent a mob, so can Trump supporters.

    Indeed Game Theory predicts that tit-for-tat is the most likely outcome. Not “restraint.” AKA cuck-surrender.

    But two other thoughts occur to me. The first is that there is no KKKrazy Glue. Trump should be the natural candidate for Black people as he is GOOD FOR BLACKS: labor shortages to help ex-cons find jobs, preventing ethnic cleansing of Black neighborhoods by Central Americans/Mexicans, in favor of AA, preserving the value of AA from being watered down, etc.

    HOWEVER, Whites are the “Market Dominant Minority.” Ala Amy Chua. The rage against Oscars, Publishing, Academia, etc. being “too White” is that White just out perform NAMs and always will, hence the rage. Most Black and Hispanic people most of the time will HATE HATE HATE Whites they way women HATE HATE HATE beta males just for existing.

    There is no deal to be struck, no abasement or groveling ritual to be done, that will end the hatred. It just is. And requires no action by Whites to create the hatred — it exists because Whites ARE different from NAMs in achievement. And our ideology presumes that to be from White guilt/racism.

    The second thought is that like many others saying so, the “Core” is not us. It is Muslims, Blacks, Gays, Feminists, the President of the United States, and the remaining non-Trump Republican candidates ALL of whom backed BLM thuggery to the cuck hilt.

    We ARE a minority, essentially Jews in the Kaiser’s Germany at the very least.

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  123. @anonymous
    While all these nice students (presumably a good number who are foreign?) fight off the vast forces of microaggression, who is looking out for these folks?

    "At Hertz IT, sheriffs, shock and tough choices", Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Mar 10, 2016:


    "...Hertz's IT employees were told by the CIO the firm was expanding its outsourcing work with IBM. It wasn't known then how many would lose their jobs or ultimately be hired by IBM. ...

    ...About 300 Hertz IT employees, most located in Oklahoma City, were impacted by this decision. IBM is hiring about 75 and those workers are expecting to receive offers today. ...

    ...Hertz took precautions. On the day that IT employees learned that their work was shifting to IBM, employees noticed Oklahoma sheriff patrol vehicles in the building's parking lot. ...

    ...Hertz IT employees had to make difficult choices. ...

    ...Employees' severance packages range from four weeks to a year...

    ... "I don't think anybody thinks that being rebadged to IBM is anything other than a one year-stay of execution," ...

    ...IBM has been working with Hertz for some 20 years, and employees have seen what happens to rebadged employees in previous outsourcing expansions. Many employees were cut after a year. ...

    ...the process works like this: First IBM will ask them if they want an offer. If employees say "no" before receiving a final written offer, they can keep their severance. But if an employee accepts the IBM offer and then later rejects it, the severance may be lost. ...

    ... IBM runs large offshore operations and its Hertz IT employees have been told that they will be involved in "shadowing," a term used to describe training replacements. ...

    ... IBM India Private Limited, a IBM subsidiary, has filed paperwork for H-1B visa workers for Hertz Technology offices. ..."

     

    This kind of crap is criminal.

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    This looks like an obvious target for a boycott campaign.

    But there is so much out there that is disgusting.
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  124. @Gregory Ritter
    "As an undocumented UIC graduate student"

    Every US citizen would do well to meditate on this quote. Suppose you started taking grad-classes in Russia or China, and "overstayed" your visa. Would you say so to a reporter?

    Maybe from a jail cell while you awaited your deportation.

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  125. “freeway-close public venue on Eisenhower Expressway just east of the Kennedy Expressway and the Loop.” It is actually just west of the Loop. It is the location of the water that throws you off. People from the West Coast have it in stone that the water is west and all objects are east. Chicagoans are the opposite so that when they visit California, they will say we are heading west to Palm Springs while they are in LA.

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  126. Steve, I’ve a graduate degree from UIC and I find all the lies about this astonishing.

    A threat to students? How? Where? No one lives on campus, nearly the entire student body commutes. There might be one dorm on the campus.

    When I attended (admittedly 30 years ago) it had an unusually high number of foreign students; not uncommonly you’d see them climb out of cars with diplomatic license plates.

    Trump represents the first tiny turn to the Right since the Pilgrims landed. The apoplexy with which the Left greets him just makes him more attractive each day.

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    The conceit here is that you expressing ideas that upset or offend me threatens me, and so I have some right to shut you up. The strongest form of the argument happens when your ideas would, if put into action, threaten my life or make me a lot worse off. (Though I still don't find it at all convincing.)

    The application of this idea is pure who:whom reasoning. There are people who think gays should never have to put up with speech from people who say homosexuality is a sin or a sickness; there are also people who think Christians should not have to put up with speech from people who say they're bigots or delusional. But I don't think there is anyone who thinks both groups should be protected from the speech they dislike.
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  127. We can finally put to bed the theory that Trump is a strategic plant by the Clinton campaign.

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  128. @Big Bill
    Alternatively, citizens could file suit under the federal Tort Claims Act to recover federal funds illegally spent by colleges on setbacks. If Trump merely announced that he would support such whistleblowers you would see all hell break loose.

    There are plenty of loyalist insiders who know the identities and illegal immigration status of students. They would come out of the woodwork to rat out the universities for fraudulently and knowingly dissipating federal funds on wetback students.

    Ratting out your employer for violating the False Claims Act can be like winning the Lottery (the people who brought TAP Pharmaceuticals to heel over Lupron got millions…yes, millions.)

    Let’s see similar payouts for revealing such gangrene in public institutions, especially universities.

    Let the games begin!

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  129. @Dave Pinsen
    Apparently, a Trump-supporter started a Twitter account to form volunteer security teams for Trump rallies, but the account was shut down.
    https://twitter.com/empiricalerror/status/708768497090830336

    Apparently the account was closed voluntarily. Well, sort of:

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  130. @Dave Pinsen
    Apparently, a Trump-supporter started a Twitter account to form volunteer security teams for Trump rallies, but the account was shut down.
    https://twitter.com/empiricalerror/status/708768497090830336

    Apparently the account was closed voluntarily. Well, sort of:

    Someone just DM’d me a photo of my child’s school front accompanied by a “I’m coming for him” message. I’m closing this account until safe.

    Screencap of tweet

    Reddit thread

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  131. If Trump is successful it will be a masterstroke. He will have simultaneously bested the feminism/black/Latino Democratic coalition while handcuffing the religious conservatives and moneyed elites within his own party at the same time Religious conservatives have held the Republicans hostage for a generation but you can only keep losing for so long. They have no where else to go now. That has been OK with the Republican elite, who does not care whether abortion is legal or not. They only care if their economic interests are served. The irony is that religious conservatives and white liberals now have a way out of the box they have put themselves in. Perhaps they can be passionate about something else for a few decades while we move on to other more interesting things.

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  132. NOTA says:
    @Jasper Been
    Yeah it doesn't seem to me that the "undocumented" are disenfranchised and "living in the shadows" if they're attending graduate school.

    I was trying to figure out if that means he’s in the country without permission, or hanging around the university without having been formally admitted….

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  133. LondonBob says:
    @i am the walrus
    Who benefits? It would seem to me that Hillary is the winner. I believe she was spooked by the Michigan results. Stirring up a racial frenzy is a means of increasing minority turnout, her strength. At the same time, blue collar whites, her biggest weakness, will be turned off by the protests and Bernie's supporters association with it. So, on Tuesday, white working class voters are more likely to gravitate away from Sanders towards her or crossover and vote for Trump. She knows Bernie can't distance himself from the protests, even if he were to suspect it was a setup, because he is a socialist after all.

    Roger Stone says the ‘protest’ was organised by HRC and David Brock, made to look like Sanders. Hurt Sanders in the primaries and try to stop any Sanders to Trump switchers in the general.

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  134. NOTA says:
    @bossel
    "So the violent protesters shutting down a public political gathering were engaging in self-defense, since everybody knows from watching TV that Trump supporters are Ku Klux Klanners and Nazis, so violence is okay."
    So you're sure that those who became violent are the same ones quoted? How so? You're just showing again that you are as biased & bigoted as the MSM.

    For what I saw, violence came from both sides & on both sides it was only a minority which was violent.

    & isn't this exactly what Trump wants? Hasn't he complained about US citizens being too peaceful?
    With his rhetoric it was anyway only a matter of time until idiots (of which there are many) among his supporters or opponents would become violent.

    Trump tosses around some pretty inflammatory rhetoric, and the MSM had been running some very inflammatory rhetoric against him. I’m not surprised there are some clashes.

    I do wonder to what extent this was orchestrated (or simply exploited) by Trump. This whole election, watching Trump vs the other candidates has been like watching a really good chess player play against a bunch of novices. And this image of protesters (especially young, nonwhite, leftist, educated SJW types) trying to shut Trump down is going to play very well with his natural voters.

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  135. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @anonymous
    When a candidate rents a hall in which to speak and when private citizens have taken the time and trouble to attend and hear what this speaker has to say, is their right to hear him rather than some disruptive protestor protected by some variety of right to peaceable assembly?

    If we pay to attend a professional basketball game and some clown runs out on the court dribbling his own ball and starts shooting baskets, do we tolerate his behavior in the name of "freedom of expression" or are we not delighted when security tackles the idiot?

    If we are attending a theater and someone in the audience disrupts the performance by loudly giving vent to his personal views on the world, do we good-naturedly tolerate the interruption and listen closely to the text of what he is saying in order to assess its merits relative to the lines of the actors whom we came to hear?

    If we are on a jet airplane 35,000 feet in the air and some person gets out of their seat and belligerently rants about some private grievance do we allow them to continue undisturbed, acknowledging their right to freedom of expression or are we not grateful when the flight attendants shut him down (and hopefully sedate him)?

    Please help me out here people.

    What is the general Law which you, as Chief Justice, would invoke that would justify suppressing the disruptive behavior of the offending individual in all these cases?

    Its a private assembly in a rented venue. Its like you rent a hall for your wedding and your ex comes in and decides to stand during the ceremony and yell out all the crappy stuff you did. You have every right to throw her out. Or not invite her in the first place and bar her entry.

    Or you go to the Opera and someone stands and starts to speak loudly about their views on Syria. Its a private venue, the people who own it or rent it can determine what is heard inside. An airplane cabin is owned by the airline.

    The public has a 1st amendment right to protest peaceably on nearby public property, or in their own venue. The supreme court ruled a shopping mall, although private and normally subject to the control of the owners, served the purpose of of a public commons in benighted suburbia so allowed the 1st amendment to apply to speech activity (religious groups speaking to passerby’s).

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    Public property is the greatest threat to the freedom of speech. Once there is no public property there is no freedom of speech.
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  136. TangoMan says:
    @Divine Right
    The Trump administration should focus on humiliating and destroying left-wing idiocy (and its followers). He should start a relocation program aimed at dumping millions of blacks and immigrants from red states into nice, white democrat areas - then denounce them for racism when they flee or protest. The only way to destroy the mental illness of the left is to publicly humiliate its followers by giving them what they profess. Progressivism is a mental illness - a personality defect focused on social advancement by extreme (and almost always hypocritical) virtue signalling. Stop fighting the symptoms and destroy the disease.

    You’re repeating back to me the proposal I’ve been advocating here for a long time. Make white liberal Democrats live up to their speech.

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  137. NOTA says:
    @The most deplorable one

    No doubt for the better, in the opinion of many of the people here. I’m pretty sick of the neocon warmongering and immivasion myself, but the future is difficult to predict.
     
    No doubt the future is difficult to predict but I believe that many feel that the present is so bad, what difference does it make, to use a phrase popular among the elite.

    Anyone who thinks things couldn’t get worse than 2016 America is sadly ignorant of both history and the current state of most of the world.

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    For a great many Americans they are already worse than they ever have been and are going to get worse.
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  138. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @NOTA
    Anyone who thinks things couldn't get worse than 2016 America is sadly ignorant of both history and the current state of most of the world.

    For a great many Americans they are already worse than they ever have been and are going to get worse.

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    I understand that, and suspect many of those people are right. But there is a huge difference between that and the notion that things are so bad that anything would be better.

    For all its faults, the U.S. still functions pretty well. It wouldn't be all that hard to wreck a lot of that, and I often suspect it's as much luck as anything else that the ruling class hasn't wrecked even more important functioning parts of the society.

    There are ways things could go badly enough in this election to wreck a lot of imports things. Moving toward politically motivated violence or arrests as a way of running our political system is one of those ways things could get s lot worse, and you could imagine it happening from where we are now. That could look like gangs of thugs disrupting political rallies, or like domestic-politics-based terrorism, or like assassinations of candidates. Any of those could happen, could become the norm for US politics, and we would be immensely worse off for it.

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  139. NOTA says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Steve, I've a graduate degree from UIC and I find all the lies about this astonishing.

    A threat to students? How? Where? No one lives on campus, nearly the entire student body commutes. There might be one dorm on the campus.

    When I attended (admittedly 30 years ago) it had an unusually high number of foreign students; not uncommonly you'd see them climb out of cars with diplomatic license plates.

    Trump represents the first tiny turn to the Right since the Pilgrims landed. The apoplexy with which the Left greets him just makes him more attractive each day.

    The conceit here is that you expressing ideas that upset or offend me threatens me, and so I have some right to shut you up. The strongest form of the argument happens when your ideas would, if put into action, threaten my life or make me a lot worse off. (Though I still don’t find it at all convincing.)

    The application of this idea is pure who:whom reasoning. There are people who think gays should never have to put up with speech from people who say homosexuality is a sin or a sickness; there are also people who think Christians should not have to put up with speech from people who say they’re bigots or delusional. But I don’t think there is anyone who thinks both groups should be protected from the speech they dislike.

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  140. NOTA says:
    @The most deplorable one
    For a great many Americans they are already worse than they ever have been and are going to get worse.

    I understand that, and suspect many of those people are right. But there is a huge difference between that and the notion that things are so bad that anything would be better.

    For all its faults, the U.S. still functions pretty well. It wouldn’t be all that hard to wreck a lot of that, and I often suspect it’s as much luck as anything else that the ruling class hasn’t wrecked even more important functioning parts of the society.

    There are ways things could go badly enough in this election to wreck a lot of imports things. Moving toward politically motivated violence or arrests as a way of running our political system is one of those ways things could get s lot worse, and you could imagine it happening from where we are now. That could look like gangs of thugs disrupting political rallies, or like domestic-politics-based terrorism, or like assassinations of candidates. Any of those could happen, could become the norm for US politics, and we would be immensely worse off for it.

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    People are not perfectly rational, and they often reject offers that might be the best they can achieve when they consider them unfair.

    I think we have already reached that point, and I work in Silicon Valley, 也會說一點點中文.

    Indeed, on the basis that it is hard to turn a large system around, we are well past that point and in the remaining time Obama has to him, lots more damage can and will be done.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then kudos to Trump for hitting back physically at the leftist street theatre and creating a deterrent. Being passive only makes them bolder and then you get more of it.
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  141. Olorin says:
    @AndrewR
    Under Obama and Lynch? Not gonna happen.

    Agree. But 27 was asking what to do. Not what will happen in the term. ;)

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  142. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @NOTA
    I understand that, and suspect many of those people are right. But there is a huge difference between that and the notion that things are so bad that anything would be better.

    For all its faults, the U.S. still functions pretty well. It wouldn't be all that hard to wreck a lot of that, and I often suspect it's as much luck as anything else that the ruling class hasn't wrecked even more important functioning parts of the society.

    There are ways things could go badly enough in this election to wreck a lot of imports things. Moving toward politically motivated violence or arrests as a way of running our political system is one of those ways things could get s lot worse, and you could imagine it happening from where we are now. That could look like gangs of thugs disrupting political rallies, or like domestic-politics-based terrorism, or like assassinations of candidates. Any of those could happen, could become the norm for US politics, and we would be immensely worse off for it.

    People are not perfectly rational, and they often reject offers that might be the best they can achieve when they consider them unfair.

    I think we have already reached that point, and I work in Silicon Valley, 也會說一點點中文.

    Indeed, on the basis that it is hard to turn a large system around, we are well past that point and in the remaining time Obama has to him, lots more damage can and will be done.

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  143. utu says:
    @scrivener3
    Its a private assembly in a rented venue. Its like you rent a hall for your wedding and your ex comes in and decides to stand during the ceremony and yell out all the crappy stuff you did. You have every right to throw her out. Or not invite her in the first place and bar her entry.

    Or you go to the Opera and someone stands and starts to speak loudly about their views on Syria. Its a private venue, the people who own it or rent it can determine what is heard inside. An airplane cabin is owned by the airline.

    The public has a 1st amendment right to protest peaceably on nearby public property, or in their own venue. The supreme court ruled a shopping mall, although private and normally subject to the control of the owners, served the purpose of of a public commons in benighted suburbia so allowed the 1st amendment to apply to speech activity (religious groups speaking to passerby's).

    Public property is the greatest threat to the freedom of speech. Once there is no public property there is no freedom of speech.

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  144. @larry lurker
    Apparently the account was closed voluntarily. Well, sort of:



    Source

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  145. @Rob McX
    The plutocracy as represented by Soros and the cheap labour lobby is a "fringe" in the sense of being a minority of the population. It supports and funds the much more numerous SJWs.

    The SJWs aren’t that numerous either (although they may be getting there among millenials, which could spell their demise). The SJWs’ purpose is to get a rise out of the sort of people that the truly numerous like to identity themselves as better than, in order to solidify that identity and get them to vote against those aggravated by SJWs, instead of in their own interest.

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  146. @TangoMan
    You're repeating back to me the proposal I've been advocating here for a long time. Make white liberal Democrats live up to their speech.

    You and what army?

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    @Tangoman and President Donald J. Trump, of course. Are you overseas and recently incommunicado?

    Trump is the hail Mary of the middle class. If he is elected and doesn't defund the Left, all at once and right from January 20, 2017, they will have their Pyrrhic victory, and the third-world status so earnestly desired by the Left for America will be realized.
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  147. @bomag

    Something stinks here.
     
    The self hatred is really strong.

    Also, there is a sort of 'inductive racism', e.g. only Whites can fix things, or make things work, so they have to be flogged and watched closely to help out The Other.

    The self hatred is really strong.

    And it won’t be fixed until it is recognized as the exact opposite of “self-”hatred.

    Those hating identify themselves primarily as those who are better than those who are the objects of their hate. That they choose as those objects other whites does not make the hatred self-hatred. They do not recognize those other whites as being in the same class as themselves, indeed the whole point is to distinguish the two.

    And as is the case with actual white hatred, it doesn’t matter what those hated actually do. If they do nothing that can reasonably be considered racist or low-class, incidents will be manufactured to maintain the identity of the haters.

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  148. @NOTA
    I understand that, and suspect many of those people are right. But there is a huge difference between that and the notion that things are so bad that anything would be better.

    For all its faults, the U.S. still functions pretty well. It wouldn't be all that hard to wreck a lot of that, and I often suspect it's as much luck as anything else that the ruling class hasn't wrecked even more important functioning parts of the society.

    There are ways things could go badly enough in this election to wreck a lot of imports things. Moving toward politically motivated violence or arrests as a way of running our political system is one of those ways things could get s lot worse, and you could imagine it happening from where we are now. That could look like gangs of thugs disrupting political rallies, or like domestic-politics-based terrorism, or like assassinations of candidates. Any of those could happen, could become the norm for US politics, and we would be immensely worse off for it.

    Then kudos to Trump for hitting back physically at the leftist street theatre and creating a deterrent. Being passive only makes them bolder and then you get more of it.

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  149. IA says:

    A really interesting idea, Steve.

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  150. @TangoMan
    He feels so unsafe that he publicly talks about how he’s undocumented to a major U.S. newspaper and in an open letter to the school’s administration.

    The first order of business in a Trump Administration should be to task ICE with compiling a dossier on all of the "undocumented" aliens who flaunt their undocumented status in highly public ways and then launch coordinated midnight deportation raids on these people along with any "undocumented" people who work in advocacy or relief organization. Do this all at once. Decapitate the head of the resistance movement right at the beginning, for if Trump deports lowly landscape workers and such it will be this upper echelon who organize and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    Best idea I have heard in a long time.

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  151. @Jonathan Mason
    It is a little odd that people who seem to be Sanders supporters should be trying to disrupt Trump rallies. I would have thought that it was Hillary they feared.

    I have lived in several countries and in most of them foreigners who were there without legitimate status are deported home with little fuss, so Trump is not really out of line by international standards. In fact the US deports huge numbers of Dominicans by the planeload for breaching terms of their residency, and not much is heard about it.

    You really cannot live in the US without legal status, because without a social security number and a driver's license, you cannot buy mandatory health insurance, get car insurance, pay income taxes, pay Medicare tax, pay social security tax, get legal employment, and so on.

    Disagree. SS number fraud is rampant and easy (http://blog.credit.com/2015/03/the-6-5-million-social-security-numbers-that-shouldnt-exist-111518/) because nobody in the SSA or especially the IRS is doing anything to combat it.

    It would be about a week’s work to write a program to look at all 2015 tax returns and flag all those with duplicate SSNs.

    Step 2 would be to send each of these filers a letter saying they will not be getting any refunds or especially EITC dollars for 2016 until they verify their SSN.

    Step 3 would be to send a letter to the welfare office in the state where the filer lives suggesting that they investigate.

    None of this is rocket science, but it will not be done for the same reason the Feds will not enforce existing immigration laws. They just don’t give a ****.

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  152. @Desiderius
    You and what army?

    @Tangoman and President Donald J. Trump, of course. Are you overseas and recently incommunicado?

    Trump is the hail Mary of the middle class. If he is elected and doesn’t defund the Left, all at once and right from January 20, 2017, they will have their Pyrrhic victory, and the third-world status so earnestly desired by the Left for America will be realized.

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  153. Anybody else see this
    From the Daily Mail
    “Chicago police say two officers were injured when supporters during the clashed with 10,000 protesters after he abruptly canceled a campaign rally.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3490090/Heavily-pregnant-Ivanka-Trump-spotted-leaving-Broadway-husband-s-expected-birth-day-now.html

    10,000 protesters?
    Really?

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    Expecting competence from the media would be like expecting competence from the media.
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  154. For all its faults, the U.S. still functions pretty well.

    Have you looked into the implications of our debt? None of us wants the economy to collapse any sooner than it has to, but it is going to.

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  155. njguy73 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    "As an undocumented UIC graduate student...
     
    "Undocumented" is the dumbest euphemism. How does one even get into graduate school without documents (transcripts, etc.)? Presumably, he has a student ID, which is a document too.

    How about “documented-as-I-need-to-be’?

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  156. Brutusale says:
    @NOTA
    Trump tosses around some pretty inflammatory rhetoric, and the MSM had been running some very inflammatory rhetoric against him. I'm not surprised there are some clashes.

    I do wonder to what extent this was orchestrated (or simply exploited) by Trump. This whole election, watching Trump vs the other candidates has been like watching a really good chess player play against a bunch of novices. And this image of protesters (especially young, nonwhite, leftist, educated SJW types) trying to shut Trump down is going to play very well with his natural voters.

    “…(especially young, nonwhite, leftist, credentialed SJW types)…

    FIFY

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  157. @Bill Jones
    Anybody else see this
    From the Daily Mail
    "Chicago police say two officers were injured when supporters during the clashed with 10,000 protesters after he abruptly canceled a campaign rally."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3490090/Heavily-pregnant-Ivanka-Trump-spotted-leaving-Broadway-husband-s-expected-birth-day-now.html

    10,000 protesters?
    Really?

    Expecting competence from the media would be like expecting competence from the media.

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  158. […] the speaker, so that the speaker cannot communicate his message, is somehow “peaceful.” Steve Sailer expresses the offensiveness of what those SJWs pulled off in Chicago, and ties it to the SJW movement on campus (N.B., the venue they denied to Trump on Friday was on a […]

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  159. […] Here’s how the left organized the anti-Trump riot in Chicago. My take: no more rallies at Universities; they’ve all been taken over by Cultural Marxists. Here’s where the left got the money for its campaign: George Soros. […]

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  160. bomag says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    This kind of crap is criminal.

    This looks like an obvious target for a boycott campaign.

    But there is so much out there that is disgusting.

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  161. @Jonathan Mason
    It is a little odd that people who seem to be Sanders supporters should be trying to disrupt Trump rallies. I would have thought that it was Hillary they feared.

    I have lived in several countries and in most of them foreigners who were there without legitimate status are deported home with little fuss, so Trump is not really out of line by international standards. In fact the US deports huge numbers of Dominicans by the planeload for breaching terms of their residency, and not much is heard about it.

    You really cannot live in the US without legal status, because without a social security number and a driver's license, you cannot buy mandatory health insurance, get car insurance, pay income taxes, pay Medicare tax, pay social security tax, get legal employment, and so on.

    You really cannot live in the US without legal status, because without a social security number and a driver’s license, you cannot buy mandatory health insurance, get car insurance, pay income taxes, pay Medicare tax, pay social security tax, get legal employment, and so on.

    Illegals don’t need health or auto insurance and don’t need to pay income/FICA/Medicare taxes — and why would they want to pay for these things? And they obviously don’t need and can’t get legal employment.

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