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The greatest trick the Billionaires ever pulled was convincing the world that male workers were paid too much.

 
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  1. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    This may come a shock to that fellow white person, but the last surviving American born into slavery died in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Hail
  2. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Every survivor of American slavery must be sent a cheque every month. They would have to be at least 156 so I don’t think anyone would begrudge them.

  3. Anon7 says:

    I’d call it the Second Greatest Trick.

    The first-place trick was convincing women that raising children was menial work for teenagers or third-world peasants, and that a fulfilling life could be found in laying down one’s life for megacorporations, AND THEN paying the man+women pair no more than the man was making by himself in the 1950’s.

    Now, that’s a trick.

  4. George says:

    I think a bigger trick is you have pay most of your massive salary as rent to the Silicon Valley ruling class because they can’t build AIs in Dubuque.

  5. This song seems relevant:

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  6. Anon[604] • Disclaimer says:

    Infogalactic entry on Sailer better?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Steve_Sailer

  7. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

  8. Paul says:

    I have been waiting many years for the media to tackle the pay gap between blacks and Jews.

  9. @Anon

    Nice details, but lots of typos and writing errors.

  10. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Those are reparations — payments made directly to actual victims — and followed a total defeat in war. This is like if she was arguing that space travel was feasible because after all her Lexus works.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  11. res says:
    @Anon

    It would be interesting to rank all wiki pages by the difference between their respective Wikipedia and Infogalactic versions. I wonder if iSteve’s page would be in the top 10 most different. His Wikipedia page is an interesting exercise in propaganda.

  12. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    As the Talmud teaches, “Two wrongs make a right.”

  13. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Do American families of men who fought and died in WW II to defeat the Nazis get reparations from anyone? What about the families of Americans who died fighting in our Civil War to help free Blacks?

    • Agree: Federalist
  14. @Anon

    Thanks for the link. Based on reading the Sailer entry, I bookmarked Infogalactic for future exploration.

  15. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Great info on Zuck’s security nightmare:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-08/mark-zuckerbergs-elaborate-security-measures-rumored-include-panic-chute

    During company all-hands meetings, members of Zuckerberg’s Praetorian Guard sit at the front of the room and are dotted throughout the crowd, just in case an employee tries to rush him. They wear civilian clothes to blend in with nonsecurity employees. -Business Insider

    “…JUST IN CASE AN EMPLOYEE TRIES TO RUSH HIM…”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @El Dato
  16. According to the BLS (https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t07.htm), the workforce participation rate for U.S.-born men declined from February 2018 to February 2019 while it rose for foreign-born men and women and U.S.-born women.

    Making the American working man more expendable (and less marriable) is making excellent canon fodder available for our endless foreign wars and a robust opioids market but, at this rate, we will eventually run out. What then?

    • Replies: @Hail
  17. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Norman Finkelstein, giving an example of Holocaust memorialization done responsibly, describes his dad walking over to the German consulate every month to pick up his reparation check. That’s reparation in its proper meaning: a direct payment to a direct victim, the actual sufferer of the crime, and not his great-great-great grandchild.
    But you gotta figure that was a bantrous and guffaw-filled meeting.
    “I suppose you want me to show you my PAPERS?”
    “Well you had better, that is, if you want your MONEY.”

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  18. @Anonymous

    When Jodi Kantor’s grandmother dies, will the checks stop coming or will the payments transfer to her descendants? That’s a point Jodi ignores. We don’t have any surviving ex-slaves, so we’re supposed to pay their great-great-grandchildren?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @BB753
    , @Hail
    , @Hypnotoad666
  19. J.Ross says: • Website

    Anonymous rumor regarding a minor celebrity: did Aziz Ansari go full Louie?

    I saw Aziz last night in minneapolis. Damn. He’s full anti PC now. The majority of his show was railing on outrage culture. Pretty funny considering how woke he was before the MeToo [dog leavings]. Dude is angry and based now.
    One of his jokes, he made up a fake social media outrage story and started asking audience members if they’d seen it. He got some dumb girl in the crowd to say she saw it on Twitter and was horrified by it. Then he said “guess what. I fucking made it up. Why did you lie?”

    Did I say Louie, I meant Krushchev.

  20. Can’t argue against you!

  21. Goatweed says:

    When did the term “gender” replace the term “sex”?

  22. OT:

    https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1104452188363866112/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1104452188363866112&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnarrenspeise.wordpress.com%2F

  23. JimDandy says:

    Explain that one to me. The “gender pay gap” narrative provides an excuse for the plutocrats to keep men’s wages down? Is that it?

  24. “comes at a high cost” to whom?

  25. @Anon7

    … AND THEN paying the man+women pair no more than the man was making by himself in the 1950s

    That was the endgame, whether intended or not. That is what we have now.

    My father predicted it in the 1970s.

  26. @International Jew

    From what Chinese friends told me about the immigration lawyers in NYC even back in the 80s, this is no surprise.

    A friend of mine, a student from China, wanted to stay in the US. The immigration lawyer told him to write a letter to a pro-Taiwan newspaper attacking the PRC, and then apply for asylum on the grounds the PRC would retaliate. My friend thought that dishonest.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  27. Forbes says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, I think we know the answer–that the checks won’t be paid in perpetuity to her grandmother’s descendants.

    But the left has to do something to stir up black voter turnout–why not some more gibsmedats…

    • Replies: @a reader
  28. BB753 says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Good point. Nobody’s owned reparations for slavery.. in the USA at least.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @SWVirginian
  29. Hail says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    will [Holocaust] payments transfer to her descendants

    Chance of this being actually pushed: Rising?

    (It would simply bring the tangible into alignment with the intangible — the endless, suffocating morality-play around this issue that has become a cultural bedrock. Why not give explicit reparations to Second- and Third-Generation Holocaust Survivors? Who is willing to oppose it?)

  30. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    World turning Monty Python.

  31. anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:

    The immigration thing sort of fits in with this as part of an overall pattern. Up front there’s much to-do about supposed principles and noble sounding rhetoric is being floated. The rubes all eat it up. The reality behind the scenes is something different.

  32. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Paleo Liberal

    It would be less dishonest and more completely gratuitously dangerous. He’d be taking himself hostage like in Blazing Saddles.
    NOBODY MOVE OR THE YELLOW MAN GETS IT!

  33. Tipo 61 says:

    The greatest trick the billionaires ever pulled was that it was not them financing the current multicultural insanity.

  34. @Anon7

    It’s almoat as if princicples regarding scarcity, value, supply, and demand hold with regard to labour – but that cannot be, becausw we’ve Been Told they don’t apply to housing, citizenship, realty, ecology, mating, or anything much else; they were pretty much a fever-dream all along, we are now told be persons who in no way are manipulating them to gain at our expense.

    The ancient priests and kings did the same things with astronomical, nathematical, and other such principles obfuscated by them to control the toiling farmer.

    Nothing changes.

  35. @Goatweed

    When did the term “gender” replace the term “sex”?

    If you talk about “pay based on sex” people could get the wrong idea.

  36. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It can be a bit clunky and slow, but it’s my go-to in order to deny the traffic to WP.

  37. The greatest trick the Billionaires ever pulled was convincing the world that male workers were paid too much.

    Mohelettes are not only underpaid, they’re under attack:

    Woman sentenced in UK court for female genital mutilation

  38. @Buzz Mohawk

    Agreed. That’s pretty impressive.

  39. @Harry Baldwin

    Also, it was the German government that interred people. When the U.S. Government interred American citizens of Japanese descent in WW II, it also later paid reparations to the actual injured parties.

    But the United States Government never owned or trafficked in slaves. To the contrary, the U.S spent huge amounts of blood and treasure to destroy the South and free their slaves.

    So if descendants of slaves wanted to track down the individual descendents of slave masters to make them pay, they could give that a try. But the U.S. Government and the rest of the population have nothing to do with it.

  40. anon[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If it now takes two wage earners to maintain the same standard of living that one wage earner could produce in the 1950’s, then the standard of living has been cut in half.
    Think about it – during the period of their greatest increase in economic productivity, the standard of living of Americans has been cut in half.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Old fogey
  41. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    the last straw. The guy is worthless ─ a stupid bullshitter who got very lucky.

    People apply a standard of perfection, omniscience, and omnipotence to Trump. His heart has been in the right place, but they need to remember that he is just one man. He is new to politics and policy, the entire institutional power is viciously against him, and he has little support. Moreover, there simply wasn’t much experience, nationalist talent out there for him to draw on.

    To the people criticizing him: I want to hear specific examples of things that he should have done differently and that were obvious at the time.

    Derb has, thus, now withdrawn his hitherto-lingering, lukewarm support.

    That his “support” had been lukewarm before tells us all we need to know about John Derbyshire. He is just relieved now to have an excuse to be more cozy with polite society.

  42. Hail says: • Website
    @narrenspeise

    “Ann Coulter” has been one of the top trending Twitter terms Saturday evening because of this. Among Trump2016ers, it looks to be breaking about half and half, Coulter backers vs. Trump loyalists.

    Excluding the big names in the latter camp with some financial incentive to boost Trump (people like Sebastian Gorka), the Trump Loyalist rank-and-file are really a rather less impressive lot. Read their comments. They’re attached to a personality, and are generally what Steve Sailer calls low-information voters.

    John Derbyshire is definitely a Coulter backer and has, just now, slammed President Donald ‘Chump’ Kushner pretty directly over this, and in uncharacteristically coarse language:

    John Derbyshire:

    Ann Coulter is well able to take care of herself & doesn’t need me doing the job: but for me & I’m sure many, many other Former Trumpers, this https://bit.ly/2J3mIap is the last straw. The guy is worthless ─ a stupid bullshitter who got very lucky https://bit.ly/2XQ3IiI .

    Derb has, thus, now withdrawn his hitherto-lingering, lukewarm support. As late as a few days ago, he was still heard (on Radio Derb) saying that he’d vote for the Chump.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  43. Hail says: • Website
    @Michael Soeren

    the workforce participation rate for U.S.-born men declined from February 2018 to February 2019 while it rose for foreign-born men and women and U.S.-born women

    How will they reframe that news to “Women and minorities hardest hit”?

  44. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon7

    The concurrent Trick of even greater importance:

    • LOL: densa
    • Replies: @Anon7
    , @Charles Pewitt
  45. @Hail

    Trump was never going to do it alone, anyway. Where were his allies? I.e., our allies?

    The Wall was always subject to the same forces as the Maginot Line. Impossible to pass, quite easy to get around. In football, this is called an “end run”.

    Since this is all about cheap votes and labor, the only effective answer is to price them out. That part was never on Trump’s agenda, or Bernie’s, but there is no reason why it can’t be on ours.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  46. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Goatweed

    It’s taking hold in french now, too. It doesn’t even work correctly in that language, because it is (at best) word gender.

    “égalité des genres”

    Shurely some specious point about correct grammer? Nope, “gender equality”.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/genre

  47. El Dato says:

    I actually read linked smarmticle.

    Who can resist the Stalinist proclamation: “The U.S. economy could be $1.6 trillion larger (8 percent of current GDP) if women’s labor force participation was on par with Norway’s”

    Because there is a need to “boost economic growth” by 8%+. Krugman is watching.

    But as we know, we could also boost GDP if everyone bought crystal meth at full tilt, stayed at home, then killed themselves.

    Fixing these problems could go a long way to boosting economic growth, Bank of America said. Companies with higher management and board gender diversity provided stronger returns on equity to their shareholders, while also demonstrating lower earnings risk, the analysts found.

    Could it be that the arrow of causality goes the other way?

  48. a reader says:
    @Forbes

    that the checks won’t be paid in perpetuity to her grandmother’s descendants.

    Are you sure similar studies won’t lead to new demands soon followed by outrageous financial compensations.

  49. @Anonymous

    The WW2 get to die waiting for their free VA health care. If they kept their discharge paperwork, Union soldiers eventually got pensions.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  50. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    No, the greatest blatant most brazen *FALSEHOOD* ever perpetrated upon the gullible mugs – that is the entire western political class – is the patent absurdity that the unlimited immigration of the unproductive somehow ‘increases’ citizen’s ‘living standards’.

    The fact that this absurdity is being pushed (like feces) by the big bastards at The Economist magazine, does not alter the fact that this falsehood *fundamentally violates the first – and crucial – precepts and axioms of mathematics and logic*, and hence, by extension violates the the law of the Universe. Put it this way, it is absurd as claiming that manifest matter can be conjured up ex nihilo by the uttering of a few magic words.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Anonymous
  51. @Autochthon

    Now, now, scarcity still applies to the pay of large firm CEOs.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  52. @anon

    In reluctant defense of the current situation, the bulk of the population lived in smaller houses without AC, and most families had only one car. Also, one radio, and one TV, which you made payments on. What was “middle-class” in 1950 is considered grinding poverty today.

  53. @Goatweed

    The short version, just in case this isn’t a rhetorical question.

    “Gender”, as in grammatical gender, is a social construct that can mean different things to different people at the same time. Being socially constructed, it can also be de-constructed, socially or otherwise.

    “Sex”, in this context, is a term for an ontological, i.e. biological, reality. Even if you change the name, the underlying reality will stay the same.

  54. @Redneck farmer

    My father had a solid middle class job (engineer at Lockheed, although not a top one), but my parents didn’t buy a second car until I was born in the late 1950s when they were about 40. I can recall when my mother got a dryer (c. 1965), a dishwasher (c. 1970), and a microwave (1980). We got air conditioning about 1970, although the San Fernando Valley isn’t very humid and was too hot to sleep comfortably only about 5 or 10 nights per year. I’d say the dryer was the big step forward. My mother was only about 110 pounds, so manhandling wet clothes onto a clothesline was difficult for her.

    On the other hand, my mother dressed rather nicely in the 12 years of marriage before I arrived. I have one picture of her on Easter in the 1950s where she looks like she stepped out of the pages of Vogue. My father owned a tuxedo for taking my mother out dancing at the Copacabana at the Biltmore Hotel on Wilshire Blvd.

    It was a different era.

  55. @Redneck farmer

    I agree. It’s amazing to see the contrast between the squat, modest houses of the old working class neighborhoods and McMansions that the McMillionaires have today.

  56. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Literally “Zerg Rush”!

  57. Old fogey says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Women entering the employment pool in huge numbers all at once showed how powerful the relationship between supply and demand worked in practice. The amazing thing to me was that it was the men running the businesses that calmly hired the women whose presence in the work force would then lower their own wages.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Desiderius
  58. @J.Ross

    Norman Finkelstein, giving an example of Holocaust memorialization done responsibly, describes his dad walking over to the German consulate every month to pick up his reparation check.

    Pathetic, both the grandpa on the dole and the spineless cucks who issue the checks. Where’s my reparations check for the crimes committed against me by negroes and by the State? Maybe the crimes need to stop occurring first?

    Bad shit happens. The important thing is that it stops happening. If you can recover proven economic damages, you take it as a lump sum. If not you suck it up like an adult, then you move forward and live your life properly and independently. No wonder Jews are so often mental cases, they’re welfare queens on top of their genetic neuroses.

  59. Old fogey says:
    @anon

    It depends on how you define “standard of living.” I remember those times well as my mother was the only mother on the block who worked outside the home while I was in elementary school.

    On the rare days when she was there when I came home to my sandwich and milk lunch in the kitchen I was overjoyed. Heaven for me was having my mother at home. How many children have that luxury today? It is obvious to me that the standard of living has fallen, disastrously.

    And nowadays we encourage single women to give birth and then keep on working with the children farmed out to day-care or pre-kindergarten organizations, What a horrible idea.

  60. @Anonymous

    C’mon. If Derb cared about polite society, he wouldn’t be in the business of advocating race realism. Derb isn’t getting any invitations to elite cocktail parties. He’s publicly poked The Man in the eye and endured the consequences more than most of us ever will.

  61. Gordo says:
    @Anon7

    Hell yes, hourly wages haven’t gone up in the Anglosphere since 1973, GDP per capita is falling and feminism is a smoke screen to hide these facts.

  62. El Dato says:
    @Redneck farmer

    You can always throw in a Golden Parachute to sweeten the deal.

  63. @Redneck farmer

    Union volunteers also got old age homes.

  64. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    To the people criticizing him: I want to hear specific examples of things that he should have done differently and that were obvious at the time.

    Hiring Bolton and other warmongering neo-cons comes to mind.

    He should implement e-verify and reduce H1B visas.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    Benjamin Franklin had it right. A scarcity of labor means a higher standard of living for the average man.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_Concerning_the_Increase_of_Mankind,_Peopling_of_Countries,_etc.

  66. @Old fogey

    On the rare days when she was there when I came home to my sandwich and milk lunch in the kitchen I was overjoyed.

    Strange. When I was young I was too busy playing with the other kids in the neighborhood to care whether my mother was home before dinnertime.

    I guess I must just be male.

  67. Anon7 says:
    @Hail

    No sh*t. I’ve told people for years that everyone who works at a job in America is hurt by illegal and legal immigration. There are doctors who scoff and label me a racist when I tell them this, but will listen when I ask “if no one in your sub specialty was admitted on an H1-B visa, would your salary go up or down? Would your choice of jobs go up or down?”

    Why our President, Donald J.Trump, doesn’t understand this, really bugs me. I don’t want Democrats to take over in 2020, but stupidity like this will cost him the election, and who else will we get?

    Also, nicely memed.

    • Replies: @Hail
  68. @Buzz Mohawk

    Well, it seems like it is a shoe-string operation because they have an awful lot of broken links and unfinished articles, like this one:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/American_Spelling_Book

  69. Bill B. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I have one picture of her on Easter in the 1950s where she looks like she stepped out of the pages of Vogue.

    One very early memory is of a party at my parents’ apartment (Twiglets; Songs for Swinging Lovers; Cinzano. IIRC.) in Cyprus where my father was attached to the military. About 1959. Even at the pre-sexual age of eight or so I distinctly remember lots of slim, healthy, women in simple but nice straight dresses floating confidently around.

  70. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What about the families of Americans who died fighting in our Civil War to help free Blacks?

    What about Southerners whose young men were slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands by the Union Army, whose property was destroyed, and who were oppressed under an ongoing 150-year genocidal occupation?

  71. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    this falsehood *fundamentally violates the first – and crucial – precepts and axioms of mathematics and logic*

    Please explain.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    My father had a solid middle class job (engineer at Lockheed, although not a top one), but my parents didn’t buy a second car until I was born in the late 1950s when they were about 40. I can recall when my mother got a dryer (c. 1965), a dishwasher (c. 1970), and a microwave (1980). We got air conditioning about 1970, although the San Fernando Valley isn’t very humid and was too hot to sleep comfortably only about 5 or 10 nights per year. I’d say the dryer was the big step forward. My mother was only about 110 pounds, so manhandling wet clothes onto a clothesline was difficult for her.

    What are we to conclude from this, Steve? That things are indeed better now? That living standards are higher? That the changes in society (women entering workforce, immigration) have been very beneficial? Sincere question.

  73. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old fogey

    Women entering the employment pool in huge numbers all at once showed how powerful the relationship between supply and demand worked in practice.

    Do you have any data points?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  74. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That was the endgame, whether intended or not.

    Was it the endgame of it wasn’t intended?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  75. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    But the United States Government never owned or trafficked in slaves. To the contrary, the U.S spent huge amounts of blood and treasure to destroy the South and free their slaves.

    So if descendants of slaves wanted to track down the individual descendents of slave masters to make them pay, they could give that a try. But the U.S. Government and the rest of the population have nothing to do with it.

    No one alive has more benefited from slavery than the descendants of slaves. It is even debatable that the slaves themselves even benefited. What would their lives have been like had they remained in Africa? What descendants would they have had? What would their descendants lives have been like?

    The Federal Government does owe reparations to Southerners, whose family members were slaughtered and property destroyed by the FedGov.

  76. @Anonymous

    I say paying “reparations” to the ancestors of slaves in this country is impossible because there’s nothing to repair. Chattel slavery here is the reason they exist. It is a bonanza for them, not a detriment.

  77. HenryA says:
    @Old fogey

    Unfortunately we measure the standard of living by how much stuff we have. Yes, by the standards today my parents standard of living was quite low back in the 1950s and 60s, they had a lot less stuff, but the quality of their lives and the lives of their children was quite high. They were able to buy a home in now very pricey suburban Bergen County, New Jersey and have four children. They participated in a number of church and community organizations that made their lives far richer than most people today. And all this was done with one blue collar wage earner in the house. My siblings and I attended wonderful schools and ourselves participated in all kinds of activities. People then and especially children also had hobbies which no one seems to have today.

    I believe most married couples with children would gladly trade their lifestyle today for the lifestyle of the 1950s, I know I would.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @res
  78. @narrenspeise

    Trump Is A Treasonous Rat Who Pushes Nation-Wrecking Mass Legal Immigration.

    Trump Is A Treasonous Rat Who Refuses To Deport The 30 Million Illegal Alien Invaders In The USA.

  79. @Hail

    Trump Pushes Nation-Wrecking Mass Legal Immigration.

    Trump Refuses To Deport The Upwards Of 30 Million Illegal Alien Invaders In The USA.

  80. @narrenspeise

  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    To the people criticizing him: I want to hear specific examples of things that he should have done differently and that were obvious at the time.

    1.) Not taking on Javanka as top political advisors. Does anyone doubt that Ivanka and Jared would have voted for Hillary Clinton, if Dad hadn’t been running?

    2.) Not hiring Nikki Haley

    3.) Not hiring John Bolton

    4.) Not hiring James Mattis

    5.) Not hiring Alexander Acosta

    6.) Not hiring Paul Manafort

    7.) Not hiring Roger Stone

    8.) Not hiring Michael Cohen

    9.) Not antagonizing Jeff Sessions

    10.) Personally lobbying Republican members of Congress and trying to work with them to implement his agenda, rather than dealing with Paul Ryan.

    11.) Reminding those members of Congress that he (Trump) won the 2016 election, not Paul Ryan.

    12.) Asking for the resignations of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and all 93 US attorneys (just as Clinton did) on January 21st, 2017.

    13.) Ending birthright citizenship by executive fiat before the midterm. He hinted at it, danced around it, and then – as usual – did nothing.

    14.) Not tweeting all the goddamned time. It makes him look like a childish, petulant fool.

    I’m sure other people could come up with other items.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  82. The Lower Middle Class must join forces with the Proletarian Patriot Class to crush the billionaire globalizer Overclass.

    The Overclass Billionaires and the Upper Middle Class are using the Underclass to attack the Lower Middle Class and the Proletarian Patriot Class.

    Even George Will is talking about class conflict now!

  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Do American families of men who fought and died in WW II to defeat the Nazis get reparations from anyone? What about the families of Americans who died fighting in our Civil War to help free Blacks?

    The “Greatest Generation” get movies and TV shows made about them: These portrayals of them fall into one of two categories: either 1.) How wonderful they were when they were wearing the uniform and engaged in killing and dying, or 2.) How evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, and just generally awful and rotten they were when they were in civilian clothes and engaged in living their lives and building post WWII American civilization. Their worth to the prevailing narrative lies only in their capacity to inflict and receive pain and death.

  84. @Steve Sailer

    … she looks like she stepped out of the pages of Vogue.

    When I found a picture like that among my father’s belongings, I fully realized how beautiful my mother really was.

    Americans used to dress up for everything:

    We’ve only been slobs since the cultural changes of the 1960s.

    Regarding the numbers of consumer items in our households, the increase has to have resulted from growing economies of scale, maturing technologies, improved manufacturing methods, and so on. Not women in the workplace.

    Besides, some things weren’t even invented yet, or were very new, like microwave ovens. I don’t think women had to be working to make them affordable. Likewise, TVs grew in numbers as more years went by for men to make them in greater numbers, bringing down the prices.

    Additionally, nobody back then thought they needed more anyway. The consumer culture has kept on growing, and now the two-income trap is fully established and necessary to feed our addiction to consumer goods. Quality of life is down.

    Note how some of the true, old money rich live unostentatiously, with old pickup trucks and TVs in the same houses their grandparents lived in. I know that’s also disappearing, but such people still exist. You just don’t know they’re rich until you find out. They don’t need to buy stuff to convince themselves they’re well off. They know.

  85. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    We got air conditioning about 1970, although the San Fernando Valley isn’t very humid and was too hot to sleep comfortably only about 5 or 10 nights per year.

    My parents put in a window air conditioner for their bedroom. For us kids, nothing and nothing in the rest of the house. Nice testimony Steve. We wuz kangz and we pretty much blew it. America blew it. Like the ending of “Easy Rider” which came out in May 1969….the ending was “We blew it”. Peter Fonda was a Nostradamus?
    Blew it in that families did not stay together producing white babies. Abortion, divorce etc. So the George Bush style elites (after fall of our external communist enemy in 1990) decided to go whole hog on free trade and mass immigration. The 1990 Immigration Act was as bad as the 1965 one and was a George Bush creation.
    IOW if you want to defend your lands and homeland you (YT) must reproduce.
    Nature abhors a vacuum and so do our ultra-capitalists when it comes to drawing in (importing) cheap dissonant dissident discordant labor (and mamacitas) from Mexico and now globally.
    I am not always so pessimistic but today I am.

  86. Clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Excellent post! We have all seen photos of how dressed up men were at old baseball games. I have an amazing photo of my father (on an ID card) from from 1938 where he worked in Trinidad setting up US bases for the upcoming war. These were English bases that we (America) were setting up on.
    And some family ones from 1955. Black and white of course taken on Thanksgiving 1955 when we flew on an airplane/ prop of course/ It was a big occasion/ we had to climb up a roll away external staircase into the airplane/ to visit relatives in Washington DC. Which was just another big city back then and not the Imperialistic City of today.

  87. @Buzz Mohawk

    As Steve pointed out recently, it was one Elizabeth Warren who co-authored The Two-Income Trap.

    Now she is co-opting the issue of tech-company monopolies. This would put her in league, sort of, with another woman, Ida Tarbell, who wrote The History of the Standard Oil Company, a book that led to the breakup of the Rockefeller monopoly on oil.

    Miss Tarbell used the money from her book to buy nice house and some land out here in Connecticut, where she even did a little farming. Her place is now a national landmark.

    Warren is too baggage-ridden and white to get the nomination of the Anti-White party, but maybe she will be able to convince President Kamasutra Harris to support an anti-trust bill.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  88. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m sorry but this is idiotic. Of course they are “possible” – the Federal government has a printing press and they can print up reparations checks no problem. The question is whether they are really owed.

    My parents also received reparations checks every month from Germany. It was a few hundred $ per month – I can’t say it made a huge difference but it was nice to have and it indicated (properly in my view) that Germany had accepted responsibility for the damages that they had caused to the lives of the survivors. The process for getting the pension was similar to workmen’s comp – they assessed your % of disability from camp related injuries and set the pension accordingly. There were also lump sum settlement payments made (not large) for lost property and for unpaid labor. When my parents passed away, I notified them (this was done on a German state by state basis – my parents’ pension came from Bavaria) and the checks stopped. The Germans owe me nothing.

    I would not have objected to the former slaves receiving some kind of reparations from their slave masters for all the years of unpaid labor or for physical disabilities similar to the reparations paid by Germany to former concentration camp prisoners but the slaves are all dead – the last of them died maybe 80 years ago. Even taking into account Jim Crow and “redlining”, every black person in America has had full equal rights since at least 1964, so no black under 60 has any memory of the former regime. I’m glad that Jodi’s bubbe gets her check every month but this has nothing to do with the situation of black people in America. It’s even more ridiculous that Jodi pretends not to understand the difference. If nothing else, it’s disrespectful to her grandma to compare her situation with that of the experience of living blacks in America – they are not remotely comparable.

  89. @Hypnotoad666

    So if descendants of slaves wanted to track down the individual descendents of slave masters to make them pay, they could give that a try. But the U.S. Government and the rest of the population have nothing to do with it.

    But the Democratic Party did. Reparations should fall on them if anyone.

  90. Pericles says:
    @Goatweed

    When did the term “gender” replace the term “sex”?

    Wikipedia tells us:

    Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money’s meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  91. @Buzz Mohawk

    Americans used to dress up for everything:

    NB: This ain’t LA.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  92. @Goatweed

    When did the term “gender” replace the term “sex”?

    It didn’t even appear as such until 1963:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#Gender

    It didn’t start taking over until the ’70s and ’80s. Note that the ERA uses sex. Now, that would be “transphobic”.

  93. Pericles says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Sounds to me like the blacks should pay the Union for freeing them. (And what about the jews?)

  94. @BB753

    I agree but let’s go a bit further: The only group of people alive today who could be said to have benefited from slavery in the US are the descendants of black slaves. They are living in a first world country with major benefits as well as affirmative action instead of living a third world life in Africa. Maybe they owe the US something, huh?

  95. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @HenryA

    Yes, by the standards today my parents standard of living was quite low back in the 1950s and 60s, they had a lot less stuff, but the quality of their lives and the lives of their children was quite high. They were able to buy a home in now very pricey suburban Bergen County, New Jersey and have four children. They participated in a number of church and community organizations that made their lives far richer than most people today. And all this was done with one blue collar wage earner in the house. My siblings and I attended wonderful schools and ourselves participated in all kinds of activities. People then and especially children also had hobbies which no one seems to have today.

    What changed? What caused the change?

    • Replies: @Neuday
  96. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    My parents put in a window air conditioner for their bedroom. For us kids, nothing and nothing in the rest of the house. Nice testimony Steve. We wuz kangz

    How were you kangz if you didn’t have air conditioning? What part of the country did you grow up in?

    • Replies: @Clyde
  97. res says:
    @HenryA

    I believe most married couples with children would gladly trade their lifestyle today for the lifestyle of the 1950s, I know I would.

    I wonder. I think much depends on the situation of other families nearby. I wonder how many people would have the stomach for being less superficially well off than everyone around them even with the improved quality of life. My experience is the will to buck public opinion and status seeking is rare.

    One of the most pernicious aspects of the transition to two income families is the resulting arms race dynamic.

  98. @Anonymous

    People apply a standard of perfection, omniscience, and omnipotence to Trump. His heart has been in the right place, but they need to remember that he is just one man. He is new to politics and policy, the entire institutional power is viciously against him, and he has little support. Moreover, there simply wasn’t much experience, nationalist talent out there for him to draw on.

    Of course, there was. Those who voted for him, in the aggregate, have 100 times the talent (at each level) as the fedgov as a whole. All Trump had to do was to invite his voters to offer their services, but he did not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  99. Clyde says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bottom photo is Calvin Coolidge shaking hands with Walter Johnson? The internet is saying this.

  100. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    All Trump had to do was to invite his voters to offer their services, but he did not.

    Yes he did. A website was set up to receive job applications.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @ben tillman
  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Kids today think an endgame is the same thing as a game’s end.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @ben tillman
  102. @Anonymous

    Endgames get played whether or not they are intended. Seldom do things play out the way either party envisioned. If you play chess, the odds are high that you are not good enough to get the endgame you want or even to plan for one or even to intend to have one — but you will end up with one. You will play it out, or one of you will quit.

    Whether or not billionaires or media or academia or feminist groups or anybody else intended to steer men and women into bidding against each other, that is what happened. The end game has been happening every time a person or group negotiates pay while trying to keep up with the rising cost of living that has resulted from dual-income families pushing up prices in a saturated labor market. It plays out whenever a husband and wife struggle to live a traditional, natural marriage together and raise a family on the father’s income.

    Yes, you can create an endgame without intending to. In fact, that is the story of most human history.

  103. @J.Ross

    I stand by my use of the word. Read my reply to Anonymous Pedant #651.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  104. Neuday says:
    @Anonymous

    What changed?

    Hart-Celler decreased the value of labor and destroyed communities and the American culture.
    1971 closure of the gold window led to fiat currency.
    Christianity’s traditional resistance to usury was weakened to tolerance then an embrace of it. We used to have Lay-Away in the 70’s, but now we buy on credit.
    Birth Control Pill allowed sex to become recreational and women to believe they could “have it all”.
    Teacher’s Unions and federalization of education increased the cost and drastically reduced the quality of America’s schools.

  105. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    After I hit publish that I noticed the peanut gallery act it has going on.

  106. Bleuteaux says:
    @Old fogey

    The Economist and Reason will blurt out the word “smartphone” a hundred times and expect you to grovel at it as a perfect response.

    I think I would have preferred civilization to having a smartphone.

  107. @Buzz Mohawk

    … AND THEN paying the man+women pair no more than the man was making by himself in the 1950s

    That was the endgame, whether intended or not. That is what we have now.

    So that a couple needs two salaries to pay the mortgage or rent. Then they cannot afford to have the once conventional 2.4 children, because they cannot afford to lose one salary or pay for child care.

    But don’t worry, because our masters know that people are the same all over the world, and they have a plan. The Americans not born will be substituted with Afghans, Somalis, and Guatemalans. That is the endgame.

  108. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous

    We didn’t need AC that often. I grew up where it was cooler similar to Milwaukee. But still some summer days were unbearable. People without any AC would go see movies and theaters made a point of advertising that they had AC.
    Victor Davis Hansen says that many of the poor agricultural workers “Mexicans” where he lives crowd into the Walmarts on hot days. They cannot afford the electricity to run their AC. IOW they have AC units but cannot pay for the electricity to run them that often.

  109. Hail says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    Comment-1 replies to Comment-7.

    Return of the Commenting Bug? Or a new, Daylight Saving Time timestamp bug?

  110. @Anonymous

    A totally unpublicized website that I never heard of until someone mentioned it two years later right here. Apparently, from what I heard here, he ignored whatever response the website got.

    He knew he was an outsider. He should have immediately had dozens or hundreds of staff working on tapping the potential of his supporters. But he didn’t because he doesn’t take the job seriously.

  111. @J.Ross

    Kids today? “Endgame” is a word I never heard before I was in my 40’s. And given the exchange in this thread, I’m not sure I know what it means.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  112. @Anonymous

    Where is this website? You can’t be serious.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  113. Mr. Anon says:
    @Pericles

    Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955.

    The Money Shot.

  114. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Besides, some things weren’t even invented yet, or were very new, like microwave ovens. I don’t think women had to be working to make them affordable. Likewise, TVs grew in numbers as more years went by for men to make them in greater numbers, bringing down the prices.

    Men did the engineering, but the actual assembly of TVs and most all consumer electronics was done by women and still is. Had female labor been prohibited the cost would have been far higher since assembleresses are far faster and have better accuracy in repetitive situations: men get bored and quit.

    I have worked in at least 20 electronic assembly plants and transformer/coil winding facilities. The only place you find male assemblers is in the winding of large transformers and switchgear assembly and with heavy parts women can’t lift, or where heavy copper has to be bent as in welding transformer secondaries.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  115. @ben tillman

    Endgame
    1. variable noun
    In chess, endgame refers to the final stage of a game, when only a few pieces are left on the board and one of the players must win soon.

    2. countable noun
    Journalists sometimes refer to the final stages of something such as a war, dispute, or contest, as an endgame.
    [journalism]
    “The political endgame is getting closer.”

    COBUILD Advanced English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

    Example of an endgame that was intended (and lied about):

    Example of an unintended endgame:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  116. anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    A wise old female attorney (NY) I worked with back in the ’80’s told me that fees declined precipitously and the profession went to hell once women began attending law school and entering the work force.

    She was an ardent feminist, but still able to think.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  117. @Anonymous

    You do have a point, I must admit. In fact my aunt did that kind of work.

    The question remains: What price are we willing to pay to have low prices?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  118. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Female electronic assemblers are not a bad thing. It was all women even back in the 30s, 40s and 50s. Western Electric would never have had the ability to build out the phone network nor would modern broadcasting have been feasible without it. Female assembleresses are relatively well paid considering the work conditions, they can sit on their ass , coffee klatsch and talk incessantly about female stuff while working. They DON”T WANT to move up and have to be around men and have to think about stuff. Companies try to get them to upgrade to technician or field management, they don’t want to. The women who will are a completely different bunch.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  119. @Buzz Mohawk

    This would put her in league, sort of, with another woman…

    Pedants have made me self-conscious enough to correct my error here. The correct phrase in this case would be “in the same league as.”

    This would put Elizabeth Warren in the same league as Ida Tarbell, who died in 1944. The two women could not possibly be conspiring together.

    • Replies: @Hail
  120. @Anonymous

    That’s interesting. Would you say there was a tipping point after that, involving other jobs, when dual-income families began to change the economy in the way we are discussing?

    Also, how many of those women assemblers were young, single women, and how many left the job when they got married or started a family?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  121. Hail says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She could be “in league with” the spirit of Ida Tarbell. A good medium could have set them up with something.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  122. She could be “in league with” the spirit of Ida Tarbell. A good medium could have set them up with something.

    Ida Tarbell spoke out strongly against women’s suffrage. I doubt Sen Warren could ever forgive her for that.

    https://study.com/academy/answer/why-was-ida-tarbell-against-woman-suffrage.html

    https://sites.allegheny.edu/tarbell/ida-tarbell-and-the-business-of-being-a-woman/

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/eleanor-roosevelt-opposed-women-getting-the-right-to-vote/

  123. @anonymous

    fees declined precipitously and the profession went to hell

    You mean lawyers were getting paid what they were worth– and they were worth a lot?

    Dick the Butcher might disagree.

  124. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    A lot of them worked until they got married, or were pregnant with their first child, dropped out, and went back to work when the kids were in school.

    An enormous amount of writing about industrial conditions in electronics is available in trade magazines compiled and scanned for free download at https://www.americanradiohistory.com

    WE was the biggest “electronic” manufacturing organization in the US from the 1910s to sometime close to its 1984 breakup, and WE lore is quite common on the net.

    Some of these women were “carer girls” and had no intention of marrying: some were lesbians, but I’d say very few. (Lesbos preferred “man jobs” when they could find them, and often moved to where the opportunities were. Certain cities were notorious for lesbian cab drivers, for example. ) There were always women that just didn’t want a family. They were a minority, though, all throughout American history until recently.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  125. @Anonymous

    The Hawthorne Effect study at a Western Electric plant in the Chicago area was hugely famous in Industrial Psychology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  126. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Right, Hawthorne in WE parlance was the Chicago area factory and NOT in Hawthorne, CA, (home of MM and the Beach Boys) , nor Hawthorne, NJ, where Debbie Harry grew up and home of the arguably best drum corps on planet, the Hawthorne Caballeros. Much confusion on this exists.

    Hawthorne Plant was one of the bigger facilities in the WE system, but Allentown and Lee’s Summit built more of the stuff collectors today want, so are more famous.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I knew it the day the banks decided to give mortgages based on the incomes of both husband and wives.

    House prices doubled in a couple years and haven’t stopped rising since.

  128. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    What with the big flat screens attached to the wall, the 2 or 3 boxes and the numerous cords and plugs plus a table or cabinet to hold it a, we’ve gone back to just one TV per household.

    Basic expenses, mortgage utilities property taxes insurance food and car expenses could be paid out of the monthly paycheck with some money left over.

    Now we go in credit card debt to pay for gas and car repairs to get to work. Plus paying utility bills with checking account over drafts and need a second mortgage for a new furnace

  129. @Anonymous

    Do any of these Hawthornes have their names up in scarlet letters?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. If slavery reparations went global, the biggest losers would be Mongolia and North Africa countries involved in white slavery. Paying reparations to the descendants of black and white slaves would be pretty hard on economic lightweights like Morocco.

  131. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Basically, the only definition of ‘national wealth’ that matters a damn is ‘GDP per capita’.

    If we ignore extractive states – which, anyhow are dependent on other people’s GDP – GDP per capita is really just a proxy for ‘productivity per capita’, hence this concept of ‘productivity’ , when averaged over the ‘typical worker’ completely explains the vast differential we see in the ‘living standards’, that is per capita consumption measured in cash terms, between nations.

    Axiomatically, adding low productive immigrants to a high productive population can only depress the *average* per capita GDP of the receiving nation, simply because increasing the denominator of a fraction reduces the value of the fraction – basic arithmetic – division by a number greater than unity reduces the dividend – this fundamental axiom of mathematics is, of course, an extension of *the* fundamental law of arithmetic, the law of addition, that is superadding a quantity to another quantity makes a bigger quantity. The basic idea being that arithmetic is , at root, an accounting phenomenon and if done properly, the accountant cannot create value which did not exist previous to the process of superadding.

    The analogue in the natural world – which mathematics can describe precisely because of this law of conservation – is the well known law that ‘matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed’, that is the sophist cannot conjure up that which does not exist because ‘he wants to’, or as in the analogy ‘wealth’ cannot be conjured up when it is simply *impossible* it has done.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @res
  132. The idea of reparations to the descendants of slaves raises some interesting puzzles.

    Where are the descendants of the African slaves traded by the Arabs and the Turks? They don’t exist. The men were castrated, and when women were used for sexual slavery, their offspring were killed. The biggest slave traders in history will get off scot-free.

    The African countries that sold people into slavery will also get off scot-free, because they do not have any assets that NYT writers want to take. Furthermore, most Africans would see reparations as unjust, because they would far prefer to live in a housing project in the USA than in Africa.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  133. FPD72 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    My family lived in Houston 1951-1961, with no AC. My parents got a window unit in the living room of our 900 square feet, asbestos siding home in 1957, which didn’t do much for me in my bedroom.

    We had one car, no AC. One TV, no color. One washing machine, with a wringer, no dryer. One telephone, on a party line with three other homes.

    Please don’t tell me that living standards haven’t improved.

  134. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip

    He should implement e-verify and reduce H1B visas.

    But don’t these require acts of Congress?

  135. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    It was called GreatAgain dot gov (or something similar). Newspapers ran stories about it.

  136. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Both the examples given arguably involve intended objectives. (In the chess example, intention to beat the opponent.)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  137. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Axiomatically, adding low productive immigrants

    But is the US adding low productive immigrants, or rather high ones?

    • Replies: @res
    , @Anonymous
  138. @Clyde

    We had the same situation with respect to air conditioning. But in coastal Northern CA, life without it is just fine.

    About the reproduction. Are you doing it? There’s a family in my mom’s church who just had number nine, and they want 12. Money’s tight, as you can imagine. will you help support such people?

  139. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Much truth in that, but National Net Wealth (NNW henceforth) per capita is also important. And similarly impacted by immigration:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth

    The Gini coefficient also matters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient
    Whatever one thinks about “equality!”, I think an out of control increase in income and wealth inequality (which immigration provides by depressing the low end and raising the high end) is dangerous for a democracy.

    How much of the change in the US which many here lament is due to the increasing Gini over the decades?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality#OECD_countries

    All metrics have problems though. GDP is relatively easy to measure and informative, but does not distinguish useful production from things like being paid to dig and then fill in holes. NNW is harder to measure and has problems with the noise of short term asset price fluctuations. The Gini coefficient tends to overvalue equality of outcome over equality of opportunity IMHO.

    P.S. I had trouble finding a longer series of Gini data for the US, but I think this makes the point:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

    P.P.S. One of the interesting things about Current Year conservatives is how many simultaneously laud the 1950s and consider 1950s style tax rates unconscionable. (I actually happen to agree with both of those, but there is much room between 1950s style taxes and the Current Year version)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. res says:
    @Anonymous

    But is the US adding low productive immigrants, or rather high ones?

    Both. But I think it is obvious which group dominates the illegal side.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  141. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hate being pompous, but axiomatically, (there’s that word again), if any ‘wealthy’ nation was dumb and gullible enough to actually enact a true ‘open borders’ immigration regime – such as rabidly advocated by The Economist magazine – the least productive of the least productive of the world’s enormous pauper and intellectually and physically disabled population would have by far the greatest impetus to immigrate.

    If for the taxpayer funded health and welfare entitlements, if nothing else.

  142. Olorin says:
    @J.Ross

    Ya see, J., you’ve hit on the point perpetually glossed over or not recognized–even in these “dissident right” smart-o-spheres we visit.

    Reparations are what losers pay to winners of a war.

    Finland had to pay the USSR/Stalin for losing the Winter and Continuation wars.

    Germany had to pay Jews for losing the Bankster War.

    What “reparations” means in the current context/moment is “Whitey will admit in law and by contract that he is defeated.”

    You know, like a House Resolution on Hate Speech that goes out of its way to signify that hate speech against Whitey is A-OK.

    “Reparations” has nothing to do with money and everything to do with Signification of power relations.

    I advise Whitey to fight a second Hot Civil War if necessary to prevent this.

    Then force Jews and blacks to pay us reparations.

    We can spare their egos by calling it repayment, without interest, of the trillions we’ve loaned them to help them out of their previously dire historical and genetic situations. For which we’ve received nothing but blows. As a people we never demanded their thanks-giving, being more inclined to give thanks ourselves than ask it of others. But these particular peoples are completely devoid of any sense of gratitude. Only escalating demands, and violence when it isn’t met, and threat of violence as the demands are escalated.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  143. @Anonymous

    Oh please.

    Yes, the chess example is to beat the opponent, which is what the computer intended. (Assuming a computer can have intention. In that movie, it does.)

    The second example is blowing up the world! That is not intended. It is the endgame of a nuclear exchange that escalates out of control.

    Sorry if my examples are incomprehensible. Sometimes I wonder why I even try.

  144. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Where are the descendants of the African slaves traded by the Arabs and the Turks?

    Where are the descendants of the European slaves traded by the Barbary Arabs and Jews, including the Radhanites? And where are the descendants of the SLAVIC slaves?

  145. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Both. But I think it is obvious which group dominates the illegal side.

    Dunno. Are Hispanics really less productive at manual labor and certain service sector work than Blacks and Whites?

    • Replies: @res
  146. Olorin says:
    @Clyde

    Blew it in that families did not stay together producing white babies. Abortion, divorce etc.

    Oh, I think that Miltown, Valium, Librium, alcohol, tobacco, pot, cocaine, and the (((Cold War))) had something to do with it.

  147. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    IMO we are undertaxing VCs, Silicon Valley, and the NYC financial industry, and overtaxing small business, but then again, small business is the most able to cheat and most of them do.

    At the same time, the GOP is still letting out this “Small Business! Small business is the economic engine! Entrepreneurs! Entrepreneurs!” horseshit.

    Everyone knows that the path to economic happiness for Joe Average is a government or one of the few union manufacturing or infrastructure-utilities, railroad-careers left. MOST small businesses fail. MOST entrepreneurs wind up on their ass, broke. And those small businesses that succeed usually are not going to make anyone affluent but the owner.

    For every Bill Gates, you need a lot of failed Jack Tramiels and Gary Kildalls. Shit, Windows on Intel or Linux on Intel eventually killed the workstation guys, and they were pretty sharp.

    Broke-ass as they are, GM and GE and their suppliers are the economic backbone, not Joe the Plumber.

  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    WE plants had NEON neon signs as I recall-neon, despite Chris Stein (‘Fade Away and Radiate’) , glows orange. Maybe close enough to scarlet for you.

  149. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon7

    Is this one of the most-Agreed-to comments by a regular (non-gold-background) commenter ever at the Unz Review?

    Agrees: 12
    Disagrees: 0

  150. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon7

    Why our President, Donald J.Trump, doesn’t understand this, really bugs me

    Alas, the critics were right. He is not a serious person.

  151. @narrenspeise

    You can tell a boomercon but you can’t tell him much.

  152. @Old fogey

    Not their own, the other guy’s, which is the whole story in a nutshell.

  153. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Are Hispanics really less productive at manual labor and certain service sector work than Blacks and Whites?

    Probably not. But I think we have plenty of Blacks and Whites qualified for those jobs given something resembling a decent wage.

    More importantly, the actual relevant comparison is different. We were talking about per capita GDP. There the relevant comparison is whether the immigrant is more or less productive than the average American. By that standard I think low productivity is an accurate description.

    I understand the appeal of hiring illegals. They tend to be hard workers willing to work for cheap. The problem is looking at things in anything other than a very short-sighted fashion there are larger issues.

    I think cheap illegal labor is the Current Year version of “the Southerners should have picked their own cotton.” Although probably not as destructive as that turned out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mr McKenna
  154. @Autochthon

    It’s almoat as if princicples regarding scarcity, value, supply, and demand hold with regard to labour – but that cannot be, becausw we’ve Been Told they don’t apply to housing, citizenship, realty, ecology, mating, or anything much else; they were pretty much a fever-dream all along, we are now told be persons who in no way are manipulating them to gain at our expense.

    Well said Autochthon. It’s amazing how very simple principles suddenly, magically do not apply when they are in the way of diversity and “progress”.

  155. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    We were talking about per capita GDP. There the relevant comparison is whether the immigrant is more or less productive than the average American. By that standard I think low productivity is an accurate description.

    If a Hispanic displaces a Black or White from a job, by being more productive, doesn’t that improve the economy’s overall productivity, even if the productivity of the Hispanic is below that of the average American?

    • Replies: @res
  156. @res

    I think cheap illegal labor is the Current Year version of “the Southerners should have picked their own cotton.”

    A good insight. It’s very much the same thing, and what little the analogy lacks in quality it’s more than making up in quantity.

    • Replies: @res
  157. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Not in terms of per capita GDP.

    In a total productivity sense the result is less clear. I think over time the indirect effects of a low productivity immigrant (e.g. their families, retirement costs, increased traffic and competition for other resources, etc) overwhelm the positive direct economic benefit.

    Remember that much of the American “system” is redistributive (e.g. Social Security is nonlinear with respect to income). Importing low productivity people means existing higher productivity people are going to end up paying for them (and their dependents) to some extent. Do you think a migrant farmworker pays enough taxes to pay for educating his children?

  158. res says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Thank you. On reflection, I am surprised not to have seen it made before in this corner of the web. Have you seen it anywhere else?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  159. @Olorin

    Well, now all you have to do is persuade white folks, the majority of whom are fighting for the other side.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  160. @res

    Nope. You may want to copyright it.

  161. Olorin says:
    @Mr McKenna

    It’s a compelling point…that I try to hold as an interesting question. Not jumping to the blackbilepill of All Is Lost. (To put it in terms of the Four Humors.)

    Seems every day I meet yet another white person who is where a lot of iSteve readers were 2, or 5, or 10, or in some cases 15-20 years ago:

    Looking for somewhere it felt safe to Notice certain things, hearing what others have to say, formulating talking points in collaboration with a larger, good-hearted, community.

    If they don’t have that good-hearted community, if they are literally in occupied territory (like, say, my barbeque posse members who study and teach at the likes of The Evergreen State College or Portland State or UC-Berkeley), they go quiet and stay there.

    Forest and tundra creatures are good at camo and stillness.

    Whites are an Althing people. We look for honest consensus. We trust the others to be speaking honestly, consensually, and from the heart. This is one of our greatest gifts, considering where we come from (the Ice Ages), and also one of our most exploitable tendencies.

    Most days I feel hopeless, but a) hope is dangerous and can become an addiction and b) that may also be the effects of black bile.

    https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/shakespeare/fourhumors.html

    Still, I meet up with a constant trickle of white folks who have been far too busy raising children, etc., to pay much attention to all this. They’re waking up. I find it bracing…though am always careful to try to rein in my own sense of reactionary Hope.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  162. @Olorin

    All I can say is Godspeed and More Power to You.

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