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Jan van Eyck was less than 75 when he very creatively created The Arnolfini Portrait in 1434. This worries Ezekiel Emanuel.

Ezekiel Emanuel is the bioethicist of the three Emanuel brothers: another is Rahm, the Mayor of Chicago, and the third is Ari, the Hollywood superagent portrayed by Jeremy Piven on Entourage. (Why we are supposed to take moral advice from a celebrity ethicist whose beloved brothers are notorious examples of amoral ruthlessness never seems to come up …) Ezekiel recently wrote in Vanity Fair about how Rahm was discriminated against as African-American when he spent a lot of time at Foster Beach in Chicago.

Now, the 57-year-old Ezekiel has an article in The Atlantic about how he hopes to die at age 75 because nobody is very creative after 75, which is true.

Of course, not many people are very creative at all at any age, so why they should be terminally depressed that they are less likely to suddenly, say, compose the 21st Century equivalent of the Eroica Symphony or whatever after they hit 75 doesn’t seem all that germane.

However, Dr. Emanuel’s article does have a subtext:

My father illustrates the situation well. About a decade ago, just shy of his 77th birthday, he began having pain in his abdomen. Like every good doctor, he kept denying that it was anything important. But after three weeks with no improvement, he was persuaded to see his physician. He had in fact had a heart attack, which led to a cardiac catheterization and ultimately a bypass. Since then, he has not been the same. Once the prototype of a hyperactive Emanuel, suddenly his walking, his talking, his humor got slower. Today he can swim, read the newspaper, needle his kids on the phone, and still live with my mother in their own house. But everything seems sluggish. Although he didn’t die from the heart attack, no one would say he is living a vibrant life. When he discussed it with me, my father said, “I have slowed down tremendously. That is a fact. I no longer make rounds at the hospital or teach.” Despite this, he also said he was happy.

In other words, when is my dad going to hurry up and die?

When is his Elderly Tourette’s Syndrome going to stop being a potential threat to his sons’ careers by revealing how the Emanuels really think, like in 2008 when the codger crowed after son Rahm was appointed Obama’s Chief of Staff:

“Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel,” he was quoted as saying. “Why wouldn’t he be? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.”

On the other hand, the old man, while he’s no longer the driven super-achiever Zionist Irgun paramilitarist race warrior of his younger days, has a wife who would probably miss him were he gone, and at least nine grandchildren. Maybe he’s happier now that the internal fires that drive the Emanuel men to thrust themselves so aggressively into public life are no longer burning quite as hotly in him.

 
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  1. So it seems he would be in favor of death panels?

    • Replies: @Mike Street Station
    In favor of death panels? Of course!

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676


    But it's not just him. The President has spoken in favor of rationing and his first choice for the HHS position, Tom Daschle, wrote a book on health care rationing.
  2. What a strange argument. His dad seems happy and fine. So he’s not as smart and quick as he once was, is Emanuel saying he’s better off dead? Why exactly?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "What a strange argument. His dad seems happy and fine. So he’s not as smart and quick as he once was, is Emanuel saying he’s better off dead? Why exactly?"

    Because he's evil, just like his two brothers.
    , @Anonymous
    I am 76 and suffer from cancer, kidney failure, and a neurological disorder that leaves my arms and hands virtually useless, I am ready to pass, even though I try to be active in church I find it more and more difficult. I personally have to agree with Dr. Immanuel.
  3. “The 57-year-old now has an article in The Atlantic about how he hopes to die at age 75 because nobody is very creative after 75, which is true.”

    Nobody is creative after the age of 75 is 100 percent false. Clint Eastwood at 84 years of age is more artistically creative than the vast majority of people who are 24 years of age.

    Most people in general are not artistically creative especially Hispanics and Asians, hence their vast underrepresentation in Hollywood, the music industry, and American pop culture in general.

  4. Immanuel Kant was born in 1724. Is he the supreme example of geezer creativity?

    (1775) On the Different Races of Man (Über die verschiedenen Rassen der Menschen)
    (1781) First edition of the Critique of Pure Reason[115] (Kritik der reinen Vernunft)[116]
    (1783) “Prolegomena to any Future Metaphysics”[117] (Prolegomena zu einer jeden künftigen Metaphysik)
    (1784) “An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?” (Beantwortung der Frage: Was ist Aufklärung?)[118]
    (1784) “Idea for a Universal History with a Cosmopolitan Purpose” (Idee zu einer allgemeinen Geschichte in weltbürgerlicher Absicht)
    (1785) Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (Grundlegung zur Metaphysik der Sitten)
    (1786) Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science (Metaphysische Anfangsgründe der Naturwissenschaft)
    (1786) Conjectural Beginning of Human History
    (1787) Second edition of the Critique of Pure Reason[119] (Kritik der reinen Vernunft)[120]
    (1788) Critique of Practical Reason[121] (Kritik der praktischen Vernunft)[122]
    (1790) Critique of Judgement (Kritik der Urteilskraft)[123]
    (1793) Religion within the Limits of Reason Alone (Die Religion innerhalb der Grenzen der bloßen Vernunft)[124]
    (1793) On the Old Saw: That may be right in theory, but it won’t work in practice (Über den Gemeinspruch: Das mag in der Theorie richtig sein, taugt aber nicht für die Praxis)
    (1795) Perpetual Peace[125] (Zum ewigen Frieden)[126]
    (1797) Metaphysics of Morals (Metaphysik der Sitten). First part is The Doctrine of Right, which has often been published separately as The Science of Right.
    (1798) Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View (Anthropologie in pragmatischer Hinsicht)
    (1798) The Contest of Faculties[127] (Der Streit der Fakultäten)[128]
    (1800) Logic (Logik)
    (1803) On Pedagogy (Über Pädagogik)[129]
    (1804) Opus Postumum
    (1817) Lectures on Philosophical Theology

  5. The 57-year-old now has an article in The Atlantic about how he hopes to die at age 75 because nobody is very creative after 75, which is true.

    I was my sincere hope that Zeke was suffering from adult onset dyslexia and wanted to die now.

  6. ethicist = having been educated to the point that you have lost any sense of right or wrong

  7. If you like your inheritance spending senior citizen parent you can keep him…..

  8. The subtext seems to be ‘let’s have a public discussion on ideal ages to die, and gear health policy towards it.’ We won’t be hearing any ‘tears in the rain’ speech from that guy.

  9. @Hepp
    What a strange argument. His dad seems happy and fine. So he's not as smart and quick as he once was, is Emanuel saying he's better off dead? Why exactly?

    “What a strange argument. His dad seems happy and fine. So he’s not as smart and quick as he once was, is Emanuel saying he’s better off dead? Why exactly?”

    Because he’s evil, just like his two brothers.

  10. Ezekiel Emanuel, a typical liberal, needs to set the example for the rest of us. He needs to show his parents this article to find out if they’re interested in “checking out now” since they are pretty much useless bread gobblers. He can publish their opinions and answers.

  11. Ok he’s 57 now and can be a little bit cavalier about death..just wait til it’s right at his doorstep. See how he feels.

    You can’t make this assessment of others’ lives if you don’t want others to assess yours. I suspect just hearing the birds sing in spring, or smelling the coffee, or having a decent BM at that age is worth living for.

  12. There are a number of examples of >75 year olds still being creative – Frederick Seidel is still writing poetry, Herman Wouk is still writing novels, Warren Buffett is still finding new forms of tax arbitrage, etc. – but Steve’s points about most people not being creative at any age, and that not making their lives unworthy of living, holds true.

    I wonder how Zeke’s adopted sister feels about this http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/15/magazine/the-brothers-emanuel.html

    • Replies: @ricpic
    Painters, many painters, get better with age: Titian; Picasso; Braque; Matisse; Hopper, to name only a few who did exceptional work after 75, h*ll, after 80!
  13. I found it interesting that the head of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, to which Rahm apologized for his father’s comments, is named Mary Rose Oaker. She is a Cleveland native who attended a small Catholic women’s college, then was a teacher at a Catholic high school, and finally was in Congress for a decade.

    When criticizing Islamic colonization of the West and terrorism, we should be careful to avoid being negative about “Arabs,” a group that includes many of our Christian brothers and sisters who are well assimilated into middle America.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Who noble. Not to put too fine a point on it but what about your Christian brothers who oppose gay marriage. Are they not deserving of this kind heartedness. You certainly seem to prefer sneering at them.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    When criticizing Islamic colonization of the West and terrorism, we should be careful to avoid being negative about “Arabs,” a group that includes many of our Christian brothers and sisters who are well assimilated into middle America.
     
    A problem with "Christian Arabs" is that they've already been assimilated into Araby. That is, if they see themselves as Arabs, rather than the victims thereof.

    For sheer colonialism and "cultural genocide", the Arabs put the Romans and the British to shame.
  14. Well, recently New Yorker writer Roger Angell wrote an excellent essay on being old:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/02/17/old-man-3

    Even better I thought was the poet Donald Hall’s similar essay a couple of years ago:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/01/23/out-the-window

    Those are both pretty creative, by authors in their eighties or nineties. Hall’s is also a bit of New-Englandy reflection on being old in the house where generations of his family have lived, and therefore especially Sailerian.

    In any case, I’d rather spend time with either of these two than any of the ball-busting Emmanuels.

  15. @anonymous
    So it seems he would be in favor of death panels?

    In favor of death panels? Of course!

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676

    But it’s not just him. The President has spoken in favor of rationing and his first choice for the HHS position, Tom Daschle, wrote a book on health care rationing.

  16. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    Oh, he is so important that we should read about what age he wants to die.

    What is he, a pharaoh?

    Like his pa or not, what a feisty warrior.

    If Wasps had more guys like him, they’d still be on top.

    It’s like what Kurtz says in APOCALYPSE NOW:

    “And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God… the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men… trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.”

  17. “Parsimonious” healthcare! At last! Dr. Zeke:

    “Most physicians were inculcated that ideal physicians are thorough, comprehensive, and exhaustive in their work-ups and treatments—and ignore costs in the process. Here is an authoritative medical body using such words as “efficient” and “parsimonious”—and without “qualifications”—to describe the ideal physician’s practices. . . .

    “These positions on efficiency, parsimony, and cost-effectiveness constitute an important shift, if not in ethics then in emphasis. The challenge is for this philosophy to diffuse from the professional society to practitioners so that the sign of a good physician is not the one who delineates and chases every possible “zebra” in the differential diagnosis, raising costs with no concern.

    “In another section, the Committee recognizes that physicians have a “professional obligation” to care for the poor and that “all physicians should provide services to uninsured and underinsured persons.” How much care does each physician have to provide? The Committee contends that “each individual physician is obliged to do his or her fair share…. ” While “fair share” is vague, it is certainly not zero. This may suggest a new requirement for physician licensure: documentation of some pro bono care of the poor by each practitioner. This is another important and strong ethical statement.”

    http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1033265

    –For my part, I gave up using the word “ethics” a long time ago because it is obvious that all the people who talk about “ethics” nowadays are people who have no morals. And agnostic Jews seem particularly allergic to “morality”.

    Further, like many rappers, elite Jews oftentimes seem curiously in need of a thesaurus. Can we raise some funds to help Zeke acquire a Roget’s? Invoking “parsimony” doesn’t leave English speakers clapping with glee.

  18. As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.” I think there may be something to this. On many dimensions of personality I notice that more Ashkenazis tend to the extremes — as though these traits had greater variance among them than among the general population. Their egotists are more egotistical, their gentlemen more self-effacing; their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant; their saints saintlier, their sinners more sinning, etc. Which leads me to adapt a famous adage of Edmund Burke’s: “All that is necessary for the bad Ashkenazis to triumph in our society is for the good Ashkenazis to do nothing.” I think this may be true. If there are any Ashkenazis reading this comment, please take note.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    Instead of writing "their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant" I wish I had written "their cynics are more cynical, their fools more foolish and naive." There are some really dumb Jews out there -- I've met some humdingers -- but many more smart ones. On that I think everyone can agree. It's their intellectual talent that makes this population group important beyond its numbers, whether for good or ill.
  19. @Lot
    I found it interesting that the head of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, to which Rahm apologized for his father's comments, is named Mary Rose Oaker. She is a Cleveland native who attended a small Catholic women's college, then was a teacher at a Catholic high school, and finally was in Congress for a decade.

    When criticizing Islamic colonization of the West and terrorism, we should be careful to avoid being negative about "Arabs," a group that includes many of our Christian brothers and sisters who are well assimilated into middle America.

    Who noble. Not to put too fine a point on it but what about your Christian brothers who oppose gay marriage. Are they not deserving of this kind heartedness. You certainly seem to prefer sneering at them.

  20. Ashkenazi jews. The longer I stay in the US the more I come up against these supermen and women. The men are great, because high achieving men are impressive and are looked up to by everyone around them. The women are loathsome. Aggressive, bossy but simultaneously smart and capable – an eternal irritant. One just became the co-CEO of oracle. Another is the only facebook exec we ever hear about. They’re sitting on the supreme court, in the media, in the universities, crafting the next wave of feminist mania.
    The one good thing that may come out of Ashkenazi outmarriage may be there will be fewer rage filled ashkenazi women trying to clamber to the top of every hierarchy. It’s very unfortunate that feminism is led by Ashkenazi women, but Ashkenazi men are not advocating for males in the same way.

  21. @Luke Lea
    As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, "We're just like other people, only more so." I think there may be something to this. On many dimensions of personality I notice that more Ashkenazis tend to the extremes -- as though these traits had greater variance among them than among the general population. Their egotists are more egotistical, their gentlemen more self-effacing; their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant; their saints saintlier, their sinners more sinning, etc. Which leads me to adapt a famous adage of Edmund Burke's: "All that is necessary for the bad Ashkenazis to triumph in our society is for the good Ashkenazis to do nothing." I think this may be true. If there are any Ashkenazis reading this comment, please take note.

    Instead of writing “their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant” I wish I had written “their cynics are more cynical, their fools more foolish and naive.” There are some really dumb Jews out there — I’ve met some humdingers — but many more smart ones. On that I think everyone can agree. It’s their intellectual talent that makes this population group important beyond its numbers, whether for good or ill.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Pretty much, a mean IQ of 115 means you are going to punch above your weight class on average as a group. I just kinda wish my odious relatives weren't involved with all this immigration crap. Communism I can't get too worked up about anymore--they lost, after all--and gay marriage I'm ambivalent on. On the one hand, attacking traditional marriage can't be good. On the other, saying gays have to act like everyone else and keep it to one partner might cut down on the ridiculous screwing around, and help inculcate the bourgeois virtues.

    Thing is, OK, I'm half Ashkenazi. My IQ's been tested at 145 or so. Wonderful. I also have no charisma and very little influence with anyone outside of my family, which consists of two old parents. I'm in a professional field which shall remain nameless because this is the Internet, but if I start hectoring my clients on immigration restriction I will receive many funny looks and produce few converts. I don't have enough money to help VDARE much. I suppose I could start a blog--I've had a few funny ideas from time to time--but I'm not sure how to go about making sure it couldn't be traced back to the real me, and I doubt, again, I'd be of much use.

    P.S. I read your comments, Luke, even the ones on the NYT, and I enjoyed them quite a bit. Let's accept genetics and bring jobs back to the USA so our dumb people have something to do! Sensible, humane, and entirely impossible in this Kali Yuga. Forget the power of the old America, for too much has been lost, never to be regained. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace awaiting us, only an eternity of drudgery and tyranny, and the laughter of thirsting elites.
    , @You
    I don't buy the "Jews are so brilliant and that's why they have all this power" routine. I think they, as a group, are high IQ in the same way that most European groups are high IQ, but they're not, as a group, Uber-Geniuses or anything. The source of their power comes down to money and their willingness to play by rules that Christians think are immoral. Their power originated with usury, plain and simple, and usury continues on today, along with little tricks like fractional reserve banking, the Fed, etc. In addition, they have an in-group mentality that sees non-Jews as OK to rip off, lie to, etc., on down to their seeing it as OK to behead them if they do such horrible things as worshiping Jesus Christ as God (learn about the Noahide Laws if you don't know what I'm talking about here. The restoration of the Temple and the institution of the so-called "Noahide Laws" are end game stuff, the Big Goal. I would love for Sailer to make some posts about that almost never-spoken of reality!).

    If life were a game of Monopoly, one could say that the Jews (the rich elites, not "everyone with a Jewish mother," of course) own the bank, and with that money can change the rules of the game to their favor, buy other players out so they have the "Monopoly" on the railroads, as it were. The worst of it all, though, is that the money gotten through usury and such have allowed them to own the media, and to then use the media to destroy our very culture, to actually make European and European-derived people hate themselves and become almost completely incapable of passing down their cultures to their own children (thanks, too, to public education, informed by Frankfort school nonsense, which didn't come from the British, or Swedes, or Italians). Through that God-damned Scofield Bible, they even have American lovers of Jesus Christ putting Israel above all else, even the lives of their own children, given that they'd love for the USA to go to war to kill off all those "Ay-rabs" they think are all Muslims.** Hell, continuing on with the Monopoly metaphor, they even have a vertiable "Get Out of Jail Free" card, with other Jews covering for their misdeeds, and the ever-present "out" of just boarding a plane to Israel. It's amazing.

    ** For an article that will make you want scream out loud, see this: http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php/topic,553929.0.html
  22. As soon as I hear someone referred to as a “bioethicist”, my single question is, “Is the person’s name Thomas Szasz?” When the answer is no, I know the person is a totalitarian jerk who either wants to decide when I die or how many kids I’m allowed to have.

  23. “We’re just like other people, only more so.”

    I think Steve posted an article a while ago that suggested the Ashkenazis have the trait of extreme energy. Which trait can really amplify all others.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it's a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It's probably also related to body type.

    In general, thinner, more ectomorphic people tend to have higher energy. You'll notice that most prominent individuals (including the Emmanuel brothers) are pretty lean. On the contrary, I don't think that's true of most Ashkenazi Jews, whose history in Europe may have selected for endomorphism.
  24. As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.”

    I doubt it, this comes from former Congressman John G. Schmitz, by way of Robert Welch.

    “Jews are like everybody else, only more so.”
    Cf. “[A] secret Communist looks and acts just like anybody else, only more so…” – Robert Welch, The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (1961)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Well, the line goes back at least to Casablanca (written by the Epstein twins):

    Annina: Monsieur Rick, what kind of a man is Captain Renault?

    Rick: Oh, he's just like any other man, only more so.
    , @dcite
    "As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.”

    Actually it's paraphrasing a line from Casa Blanca where Humphrey Bogart is describing the Claude Raines character who appears to be coercing the lady in distress. "He's like any other man, only more so."
  25. “Jews are like everybody else, only more so.”

    Apparently this quote predates Schmitz. Heinrich Heine supposedly said it, among others.

  26. These Emmanuel brothers, as smart as they are alleged to be, never seem to say anything actually intelligent. The wanting to die at 75 bit sounds like something a precocious teenage boy would say to annoy his elders. It’s sophomoric and, by all account, dumb.
    I think their real talents are in self promotion.

    • Replies: @e
    I don't know about the Hollywood Emmanuel brother, but Rahm and Zeke Kavorkian are two of the most humorless men I've listened to.

    Whatever genes are responsible for the famous Jewish sense of humor are missing in these two.
  27. anon • Disclaimer says:

    He had in fact had a heart attack, which led to a cardiac catheterization and ultimately a bypass. Since then [i.e. almost a decade in the past], he has not been the same. Once the prototype of a hyperactive Emanuel, suddenly his walking, his talking, his humor got slower.

    Somebody appears not to grok the exponential nature of senescence…

  28. The “ethicist” in bioethicist is akin to the “constitutional” in constitutional lawyer.

  29. @vinny
    “We’re just like other people, only more so.”

    I think Steve posted an article a while ago that suggested the Ashkenazis have the trait of extreme energy. Which trait can really amplify all others.

    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it’s a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It’s probably also related to body type.

    In general, thinner, more ectomorphic people tend to have higher energy. You’ll notice that most prominent individuals (including the Emmanuel brothers) are pretty lean. On the contrary, I don’t think that’s true of most Ashkenazi Jews, whose history in Europe may have selected for endomorphism.

    • Replies: @anon

    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it’s a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It’s probably also related to body type.
     
    I don't think 'energy' is meant in the physical sense (i.e. wakefulness or cognitive endurance). It's more psychological restlessness; a seemingly borderline-pathological drive. Strivers nonpareil. The whole 'pushy' stereotype.
    , @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon -- the movie "Forrest Gump" dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I've been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn't a weirdo like he was apologizing for being -- he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big ... all this flashed through my head, but ... I didn't say it. And I've regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months -- and been right about the future -- but for some reason I only said, "Uh-huh." Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce "Schwarzenegger?"

    And then there was Jane Fonda's aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.
  30. @timothy

    As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.”
     
    I doubt it, this comes from former Congressman John G. Schmitz, by way of Robert Welch.

    "Jews are like everybody else, only more so."
    Cf. "[A] secret Communist looks and acts just like anybody else, only more so..." – Robert Welch, The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (1961)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    Well, the line goes back at least to Casablanca (written by the Epstein twins):

    Annina: Monsieur Rick, what kind of a man is Captain Renault?

    Rick: Oh, he’s just like any other man, only more so.

  31. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it's a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It's probably also related to body type.

    In general, thinner, more ectomorphic people tend to have higher energy. You'll notice that most prominent individuals (including the Emmanuel brothers) are pretty lean. On the contrary, I don't think that's true of most Ashkenazi Jews, whose history in Europe may have selected for endomorphism.

    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it’s a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It’s probably also related to body type.

    I don’t think ‘energy’ is meant in the physical sense (i.e. wakefulness or cognitive endurance). It’s more psychological restlessness; a seemingly borderline-pathological drive. Strivers nonpareil. The whole ‘pushy’ stereotype.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    You don't think the two are related? Fat people tend to have less of both kinds of energy. How many fat guys to you see run for political office, for example? Christie is a notable exception.
  32. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it’s a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It’s probably also related to body type.

    I don’t think ‘energy’ is meant in the physical sense (i.e. wakefulness or cognitive endurance). It’s more psychological restlessness; a seemingly borderline-pathological drive. Strivers nonpareil. The whole ‘pushy’ stereotype.

    (in the case of a duplicate comment: first one was marked as spam..)

  33. So Heine said it too?

    Guess that beats Casablanca.

  34. I understand that anything written by an Emmanuel is suspect and that the example of his father’s decline isn’t too compelling, and that age 75 seems extreme (he does qualify that number at the end of the piece), especially for someone who looks so fit, but his article was well reasoned, supported by data, and pretty convincing. In our heart of hearts, don’t we all have an image of debility where we won’t want to live anymore? How many of us has contemplated living a life as Terry Schivo? How long would you want to go on? How many diapers? How many bed sores? How many gallons of ointment? How many connected tubes? How much confusion? How much humiliation? How many near death experiences? Do you really want a major surgery to maintain that state, or, more likely, end up in a worse one.

    He’s right that life after a debilitating stroke resulting in paralysis might be worse than death, and that, unfortunately, the frequency of such lives is increasing. I think you gave the article short shrift. I think it was more than good enough to get a better rebuttal.

    • Replies: @granny Bowen
    What about the sanctity of the individual soul, which is a tenet of Christianity? What about the disabled with Downs syndrome or cerebral palsy? The Nazis were eager to usher them out before age 75. What would Zeke say about that aspect of the Holocaust?
    Get back to me when you're 74, Zeke. In the meantime I'm 78 and busy loving my 7 grandchildren, all of whom I am influencing to be good Republicans.
    , @granny Bowen
    What about the sanctity of the individual soul, which is a tenet of Christianity? What about the disabled with Downs syndrome or cerebral palsy? The Nazis were eager to usher them out before age 75. What would Zeke say about that aspect of the Holocaust?
    Get back to me when you're 74, Zeke. In the meantime I'm 78 and busy loving my 7 grandchildren, all of whom I am influencing to be good Republicans.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't believe we're discussing the limited choices available in the case of debiltating illness or disablity in individual situations, but the public policy that seems to be furthered by statements such as these made in public forums by highly-placed government advisors. One is a difficult conversation amongst family and medical supports, the other is a registration form I need to complete to notify the government that I just turned 75. While I can "appreciate" the elegance of the hyper-rational, I have never found myself swayed to their icy beliefs.
  35. I suspect just hearing the birds sing in spring, or smelling the coffee, or having a decent BM at that age is worth living for.

    At what age isn’t it a great thing to have a decent BM?

  36. I don’t doubt this creep would love to impose euthanasia at 75 for everyone not to his liking, but I’m certain he doesn’t mean a word of his babble about himself, his father, and his supposed wishing that the old man had died after his heart attack. It’s all (isn’t it always with these a-holes?) one big pose, condescension mixed with moral posturing. I’m sure he and his father were laughing on the phone trying to come up with an appropriate quote and came up with those lines. What disgusting, horrible people!

  37. “Ezekiel Emanuel, a typical liberal, needs to set the example for the rest of us. He needs to show his parents this article to find out if they’re interested in “checking out now” since they are pretty much useless bread gobblers. ”

    – Aye, it is liberalism at its finest. As Sailer points out elsewhere, liberalism is basically public proclamation of leapfrogging over natural loyalties to show loyalty to people and groups that would sensibly be viewed as distant or alien. In fact, the more distant and less benefit to oneself the better. Hence, publicly tossing dad under the bus but pushing for measures that benefit African American and Hispanic crimnals.

  38. @Luke Lea
    Instead of writing "their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant" I wish I had written "their cynics are more cynical, their fools more foolish and naive." There are some really dumb Jews out there -- I've met some humdingers -- but many more smart ones. On that I think everyone can agree. It's their intellectual talent that makes this population group important beyond its numbers, whether for good or ill.

    Pretty much, a mean IQ of 115 means you are going to punch above your weight class on average as a group. I just kinda wish my odious relatives weren’t involved with all this immigration crap. Communism I can’t get too worked up about anymore–they lost, after all–and gay marriage I’m ambivalent on. On the one hand, attacking traditional marriage can’t be good. On the other, saying gays have to act like everyone else and keep it to one partner might cut down on the ridiculous screwing around, and help inculcate the bourgeois virtues.

    Thing is, OK, I’m half Ashkenazi. My IQ’s been tested at 145 or so. Wonderful. I also have no charisma and very little influence with anyone outside of my family, which consists of two old parents. I’m in a professional field which shall remain nameless because this is the Internet, but if I start hectoring my clients on immigration restriction I will receive many funny looks and produce few converts. I don’t have enough money to help VDARE much. I suppose I could start a blog–I’ve had a few funny ideas from time to time–but I’m not sure how to go about making sure it couldn’t be traced back to the real me, and I doubt, again, I’d be of much use.

    P.S. I read your comments, Luke, even the ones on the NYT, and I enjoyed them quite a bit. Let’s accept genetics and bring jobs back to the USA so our dumb people have something to do! Sensible, humane, and entirely impossible in this Kali Yuga. Forget the power of the old America, for too much has been lost, never to be regained. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace awaiting us, only an eternity of drudgery and tyranny, and the laughter of thirsting elites.

  39. The statement is for the stupid goys, not what he really thinks. Look guys like him are the very definition of egotistical and self-serving. They don’t do squat unless it benefits themselves. Any moral posturing by him is just that, posturing.

    As far as mandatory euthanasia goes, I’m sure he’s all for it, for those he wants disposed of, which is probably a lot of people.

  40. I just watched Bill Clinton on the Daily Show, probably the first video I’ve seen of him since the 08 primary.

    He still looks great, but he’s a lot less articulate than he used to be. His voice is horse, slow, and halting. Overall, he now has an “old man” style of speech.

    While still handsome overall, his least attractive trait, his somewhat dishonest looking and physically small eyes, are more prominent than they used to be. I wonder if Dick Morris used to coach him on avoiding darting glances.

    He’s also lost his old libidinous glow, so I’m predicting there won’t be any bimbo eruptions in the 2016 campaign.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Bill Clinton looked bad, really bad, after his heart surgeries. He had a nasty gray pallor of the truly sick for a while. He seems to have recovered though.

    A female friend saw him speak during this time, and she and the rest of the women in the audience were still gushing over him.
  41. On the topic of the Clintons’ speech, I also listened to Hillary for the first time in a while. The persistence of her flat midwestern accent is remarkable since she left the midwest for good when she was 18.

    2016 is going to be the first time in decades that the 60 million white midwesterners, and their diaspora in the rest of the country, will have the chance to vote for one of their own for president. (Though Obama’s use of pictures childhood photos with his white Kansan relatives on his TV ads was brilliant).

    If Republicans want to have a chance in 2016, they better get behind Mitch Daniel, Rob Portman, or better yet both. And Portman’s gay son will need to do a convention speech.

    • Replies: @Marty
    Sorry, my IQ isn't 140 so I don't get it. Are you saying that HRC's mere pronunciation will be enough to rope in these 60
    million voters? I mean, in '76 I voted against Carter simply because I didn't like his accent, but then Gerald Ford wasn't Ivy, wasn't a carpetbagger, and didn't take his first job out of law school specifically to represent Black Panthers.
  42. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:
  43. @anon

    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it’s a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It’s probably also related to body type.
     
    I don't think 'energy' is meant in the physical sense (i.e. wakefulness or cognitive endurance). It's more psychological restlessness; a seemingly borderline-pathological drive. Strivers nonpareil. The whole 'pushy' stereotype.

    You don’t think the two are related? Fat people tend to have less of both kinds of energy. How many fat guys to you see run for political office, for example? Christie is a notable exception.

  44. I think Pete Townshend expressed a similar sentiment some decades ago.

  45. @JVO
    These Emmanuel brothers, as smart as they are alleged to be, never seem to say anything actually intelligent. The wanting to die at 75 bit sounds like something a precocious teenage boy would say to annoy his elders. It's sophomoric and, by all account, dumb.
    I think their real talents are in self promotion.

    I don’t know about the Hollywood Emmanuel brother, but Rahm and Zeke Kavorkian are two of the most humorless men I’ve listened to.

    Whatever genes are responsible for the famous Jewish sense of humor are missing in these two.

  46. @ Luke Lea: On many dimensions of personality I notice that more Ashkenazis tend to the extremes — as though these traits had greater variance among them than among the general population. Their egotists are more egotistical, their gentlemen more self-effacing; their cynics are more cynical, their fools more foolish and naive; their saints saintlier, their sinners more sinning, etc.

    @ Vinny I think Steve posted an article a while ago that suggested the Ashkenazis have the trait of extreme energy. Which trait can really amplify all others.

    I think generic “energy” or greater personality variation per se are a little off target.

    IMO there basically are a couple of ultimate causes behind this Ashkenazi trait of apparent high variation on social personality characteristics –

    1) The Ashkenazi’s East Mediterranean / Italian basic stock : This inclines them to high extraversion and emotional instability (also know as neuroticism), as is reflected by limited samples of Ashkenazis on the Big 5.

    High extraversion (emotional reward from being outgoing) encourages a high degree of social display – extreme extraverts “camp up” their personality variation, to explain it one way. On the other hand, the emotionally unstable tend to extremes and experience outsize emotional extremes (they’re both actually more emotionally varied within themselves, and more needy). Extraverted unstable people depend a lot of approval from an audience to regulate their emotions – they are the archetypal talented, insecure actors who need an audience, just as the Jews are.

    2) The Ashkenazi’s European managerial selective niche : This niche selected the Ashkenazi for greater levels of intelligence and machiavellianism than other East Mediterraneans, who are more simple and straightforward folk (even if they’re often kind of fighty).

    Successful managers tend to be intelligent machs. Greater levels of intelligence will encourage more ideological and principled positions to be taken (as opposed to sticking to sensible conventional wisdom because you’re too dumb for anything else) while greater levels of mach will encourage espousing of “face”, false positions and convoluted sophistry for the sake of advantage.

    Both 1) and 2) could come together to create a high tendency towards variation in social display among the Ashkenazi. Tendencies to camp up their persona for the fangirls and fanboys and to adopt personas for unusual ideological and machiavellian reasons.

    But “real” personality variation (as opposed to the above which is closer to mere display, huffing and puffing and posturing) is likely as high among a stoic Japanese or WASP bunch.

  47. 2016 is going to be the first time in decades that the 60 million white midwesterners, and their diaspora in the rest of the country, will have the chance to vote for one of their own for president.

    -Lot

    The Midwest is politically tepid. Maybe it’s the Germanic/Nordic influence.

    I found that if you look at the regions that have the most political influence they are those with the highest proportion of English Americans in the white population.

    Neither New England nor the Deep South have all that many people, but they sure do dominate the debate.

  48. @Dave Pinsen
    I doubt extreme energy is an Ashkenazi trait. More likely, it's a trait of high-achievers, regardless of background. It's probably also related to body type.

    In general, thinner, more ectomorphic people tend to have higher energy. You'll notice that most prominent individuals (including the Emmanuel brothers) are pretty lean. On the contrary, I don't think that's true of most Ashkenazi Jews, whose history in Europe may have selected for endomorphism.

    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon — the movie “Forrest Gump” dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I’ve been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn’t a weirdo like he was apologizing for being — he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big … all this flashed through my head, but … I didn’t say it. And I’ve regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months — and been right about the future — but for some reason I only said, “Uh-huh.” Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce “Schwarzenegger?”

    And then there was Jane Fonda’s aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Lemme guess: you still have that bodybuilder dwarf's knife.
    , @SFG
    Don't feel too bad. There's no guarantee he would have taken you seriously or been able to do anything about it, being four feet high.

    Good point about the divergence in personality types and bodies, too. One of the big differences between NYC and other places I've gone after moving away from NYC is that nerds tend to be very big outside NYC. (I haven't spent much time in CA, so feel free to set me straight on Californian geeks.) I'm talking about the hoi polloi, not ubermenschen like these Silicon Valley guys you see on TV.

    Best theory I had was that the baseline level of physical activity you get in New York with all the walking around is enough to prevent morbid obesity, but elsewhere if you don't spend a lot of effort staying thin, you get fat. This is also why the Europeans are so bloody thin.

    You can disagree about Eurosocialism etc., but I have to say American corpulence I always found one of the most deeply shameful things about our country. It really strikes me as a sign of a nation in decline. I guess at least the armed forces are still in shape...
    , @anon

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn’t a weirdo like he was apologizing for being[...][A]ll this flashed through my head, but … I didn’t say it. And I’ve regretted it ever since.
     
    If it's any consolation, he was most likely well plugged-in to the bodybuilder scene, knew of all of that (on at least some level), and was just being polite and non-threatening to the imperiled, clueless tourists.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Sure, but there are limits to the extent to which you can change your body. Endomorph Larry Summers will never look like ectomorph Anthony Wiener.
  49. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon -- the movie "Forrest Gump" dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I've been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn't a weirdo like he was apologizing for being -- he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big ... all this flashed through my head, but ... I didn't say it. And I've regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months -- and been right about the future -- but for some reason I only said, "Uh-huh." Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce "Schwarzenegger?"

    And then there was Jane Fonda's aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.

    Lemme guess: you still have that bodybuilder dwarf’s knife.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon -- the movie "Forrest Gump" dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I've been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn't a weirdo like he was apologizing for being -- he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big ... all this flashed through my head, but ... I didn't say it. And I've regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months -- and been right about the future -- but for some reason I only said, "Uh-huh." Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce "Schwarzenegger?"

    And then there was Jane Fonda's aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.

    Don’t feel too bad. There’s no guarantee he would have taken you seriously or been able to do anything about it, being four feet high.

    Good point about the divergence in personality types and bodies, too. One of the big differences between NYC and other places I’ve gone after moving away from NYC is that nerds tend to be very big outside NYC. (I haven’t spent much time in CA, so feel free to set me straight on Californian geeks.) I’m talking about the hoi polloi, not ubermenschen like these Silicon Valley guys you see on TV.

    Best theory I had was that the baseline level of physical activity you get in New York with all the walking around is enough to prevent morbid obesity, but elsewhere if you don’t spend a lot of effort staying thin, you get fat. This is also why the Europeans are so bloody thin.

    You can disagree about Eurosocialism etc., but I have to say American corpulence I always found one of the most deeply shameful things about our country. It really strikes me as a sign of a nation in decline. I guess at least the armed forces are still in shape…

  51. The subtext is “I want you little people to die by 75”

  52. Pretty much, a mean IQ of 115 means

    …that you’re cherry-picking IQ surveys. Actual mean Ashkenazi IQ is more like 107. Mean Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is 104 (IIRC). A lot of Ashkenazis live in Israel.

    • Replies: @Lot

    you’re cherry-picking IQ surveys. Actual mean Ashkenazi IQ is more like 107. Mean Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is 104 (IIRC). A lot of Ashkenazis live in Israel
     
    So you agree that British and American Ashkenazi are around 110, then you average that with Israeli Ashkenazi of 104, to get 107?

    The problem with doing this there would have to be really extreme selection of intelligence for US/British Ashkenazi immigrants versus those who stayed in Europe and later mostly became Israeli settlers. Given regression to the mean, the gap would have to be even greater than 6 when most of this migration was happening from 1880 to 1960.

    Is it possible? I guess. But the onus on someone proposing that an ethnic group divided itself up in such an extreme way would be on the person making this assertion. While I do think the smarter Jews tended to head to the USA as opposed to Israel (We got Einstein, they got a bunch of religious zealots), the bulk of both groups were most likely very close to the Ashkenazi average, and regression to the mean brings them closer together each generation.

    Here is Cochran's survey from 2005:

    Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data. They score 0·75 to 1·0 standard deviations above the general European average, corresponding to an IQ of 112–115. This has been seen in many studies (Levinson, 1959; Backman, 1972; Romanoff, 1976), although a recent review concludes that the advantage is slightly less – only half a standard deviation (Lynn, 2004).
     
    Lynn, author of this low estimate from 2004, came out with a higher estimate in 2006:

    Three early studies are summarized that found that Jews in Britain have mean IQs in the range of 110–113. New data are presented for two nationally representative samples of 7–16 year olds in which Jews had mean IQs of 108.5 and 107.7. Taking all five studies into account, it is proposed that the best reading of the IQ of Jews in Britain is 110. It is proposed that the best reading of the IQ of Jews in the United States is 109.5.
     
    (Note that Britain's Jews are more likely to be Sephardic than America's)

    Here's Charles Murray in 2007:

    But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise.
     
    Lynn again, in 2011:

    Ashkenazi (European) Jews have high average earnings, educational attainment, socio-economic status, and intellectual achievements. It is proposed that these can be at least partially explained by their high average IQ, which is estimated at 110. The Mizrahim (Oriental) and the Ethiopian Jews have lower IQs, estimated 91 for the Mizrahim and 70 for the Ethiopian Jews
     
  53. If only i had known i could grow up to be a bioethicist.

    What might be the bioethics of applying for that job?

    Their culture is all about its role.

    **********

    Death and dying and dealing with the infirm. There was an item in the news 12 or so years ago, a crematorium in the South was dumping the bodies in the swamp, by the score they were piling up. Just have the body delivered to the funeral home down the street, the one with the neon sign, “Caring for Your Memories” …

    At some point people have to get hold on their rites. Or else it’s a bioethicist from Chicago, and the high school football coach. Are they qualified?

  54. @timothy

    As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.”
     
    I doubt it, this comes from former Congressman John G. Schmitz, by way of Robert Welch.

    "Jews are like everybody else, only more so."
    Cf. "[A] secret Communist looks and acts just like anybody else, only more so..." – Robert Welch, The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (1961)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    “As I once heard an Ashkenazi American say about Ashkenazis, “We’re just like other people, only more so.”

    Actually it’s paraphrasing a line from Casa Blanca where Humphrey Bogart is describing the Claude Raines character who appears to be coercing the lady in distress. “He’s like any other man, only more so.”

  55. Political power in “the the highest proportion of English Americans in the white population.”

    Well, they certainly have a lot of heritage connections. However, the Irish drive politics in the Northeast. They haven’t always dominated, but they have driven it since the late 1800s. After having no political power in their home country, and a tendency to be voluble, gabby, slippery with words (Blarney), and both intentionally and unintentionally funny, they took to politics like a fish to water.

  56. “While still handsome overall, his least attractive trait, his somewhat dishonest looking and physically small eyes, are more prominent than they used to be.”

    To me Bill Clinton is more charismatic than he is handsome in the traditional sense. Bill Clinton looks he could be Larry Bird’s brother.

    If going just strictly on looks, Bill Clinton is definitely not in John Edwards league.

  57. It could be only a few steps from policy makers writing about the virtues of death at 75 to a 21st century version of Logan’s Run. Whatever his motivation, this isn’t the innocuous musings of an intellectual. This is dangerous stuff.

  58. @Lot
    I just watched Bill Clinton on the Daily Show, probably the first video I've seen of him since the 08 primary.

    He still looks great, but he's a lot less articulate than he used to be. His voice is horse, slow, and halting. Overall, he now has an "old man" style of speech.

    While still handsome overall, his least attractive trait, his somewhat dishonest looking and physically small eyes, are more prominent than they used to be. I wonder if Dick Morris used to coach him on avoiding darting glances.

    He's also lost his old libidinous glow, so I'm predicting there won't be any bimbo eruptions in the 2016 campaign.

    Bill Clinton looked bad, really bad, after his heart surgeries. He had a nasty gray pallor of the truly sick for a while. He seems to have recovered though.

    A female friend saw him speak during this time, and she and the rest of the women in the audience were still gushing over him.

  59. “Bill P says:

    The “ethicist” in bioethicist is akin to the “constitutional” in constitutional lawyer.”

    Quite so. Most so-called “Constitutional Lawyers” (like Barack Obama) are experts on the Constitution in the same way that a butcher is an expert on animals.

  60. @Lot
    On the topic of the Clintons' speech, I also listened to Hillary for the first time in a while. The persistence of her flat midwestern accent is remarkable since she left the midwest for good when she was 18.

    2016 is going to be the first time in decades that the 60 million white midwesterners, and their diaspora in the rest of the country, will have the chance to vote for one of their own for president. (Though Obama's use of pictures childhood photos with his white Kansan relatives on his TV ads was brilliant).

    If Republicans want to have a chance in 2016, they better get behind Mitch Daniel, Rob Portman, or better yet both. And Portman's gay son will need to do a convention speech.

    Sorry, my IQ isn’t 140 so I don’t get it. Are you saying that HRC’s mere pronunciation will be enough to rope in these 60
    million voters? I mean, in ’76 I voted against Carter simply because I didn’t like his accent, but then Gerald Ford wasn’t Ivy, wasn’t a carpetbagger, and didn’t take his first job out of law school specifically to represent Black Panthers.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Are you saying that HRC’s mere pronunciation will be enough to rope in these 60 million voters?
     
    Not all of them, but certainly a few million of them. HRC only needs 38% of the white vote to win in 2016.
  61. “retiredman says:
    September 19, 2014 at 10:13 pm GMT

    ethicist = having been educated to the point that you have lost any sense of right or wrong”

    “BehindTheLines says:
    September 20, 2014 at 12:00 am GMT

    As soon as I hear someone referred to as a “bioethicist”, my single question is, “Is the person’s name Thomas Szasz?” When the answer is no, I know the person is a totalitarian jerk who either wants to decide when I die or how many kids I’m allowed to have.”

    Well said. So-called “ethicists” are usually just rationalizers of evil. Take Peter Singer, for example.

    • Replies: @SFG
    That I agree with. Ethicists always seem to be coming up with clever excuses to do things that are wrong. Thomas Jefferson said if you put a moral question to a professor and a plowman, the plowman was more likely to come out right, and he was hardly anti-intellectual.
  62. @steve
    Great Rio story…thanks
    Plus the jogging-runners world-marathons craze took off about 1972 and was good for 20 years.

    The Askenazi male deal is thinking outside the box and Bell curve. Many geniuses but then many idiots at the other end of distribution

  63. I think Ezekiel’s reached his creative maximum early – now. Ergo, he should just go ahead and die. Save us the anxiety from watching him slowly deteriorate more as he approaches the ‘death age’ of seventy five. Also, it would save American citizens the turmoil of enduring more of his inane and obviously degenerative ideas. Die, Ezekial, die.

    Attention ‘Blog-Watch Police’: Just kiddin’, really. Maybe. Could be.

    I’m seventy five. Ezekiel is right. It’s getting so I can hardly tell the difference between an as**ole like him and a regular Democrat.

  64. @Lot
    I found it interesting that the head of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, to which Rahm apologized for his father's comments, is named Mary Rose Oaker. She is a Cleveland native who attended a small Catholic women's college, then was a teacher at a Catholic high school, and finally was in Congress for a decade.

    When criticizing Islamic colonization of the West and terrorism, we should be careful to avoid being negative about "Arabs," a group that includes many of our Christian brothers and sisters who are well assimilated into middle America.

    When criticizing Islamic colonization of the West and terrorism, we should be careful to avoid being negative about “Arabs,” a group that includes many of our Christian brothers and sisters who are well assimilated into middle America.

    A problem with “Christian Arabs” is that they’ve already been assimilated into Araby. That is, if they see themselves as Arabs, rather than the victims thereof.

    For sheer colonialism and “cultural genocide”, the Arabs put the Romans and the British to shame.

  65. An extreme example of Dr Emanuel’s turn of mind was Gioacchino Rossini, who retired at 39 and lived to 78.

    Actually, he retired at eight and lived to 17, as he was born on Leap Day. Gioacchino was pubescent at his second birthday in 1804.

  66. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon -- the movie "Forrest Gump" dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I've been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn't a weirdo like he was apologizing for being -- he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big ... all this flashed through my head, but ... I didn't say it. And I've regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months -- and been right about the future -- but for some reason I only said, "Uh-huh." Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce "Schwarzenegger?"

    And then there was Jane Fonda's aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn’t a weirdo like he was apologizing for being[…][A]ll this flashed through my head, but … I didn’t say it. And I’ve regretted it ever since.

    If it’s any consolation, he was most likely well plugged-in to the bodybuilder scene, knew of all of that (on at least some level), and was just being polite and non-threatening to the imperiled, clueless tourists.

  67. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the 1970s were when large numbers of young Americans started changing their body shape to fit their personalities and aspirations. Before the 1970s, the correlation between what shape people were and their self-images were pretty random and or natural, but in the 1970s and 1980s Americans took control of what they looked like.

    My recollection is to date the jogging craze to 1972 when Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon -- the movie "Forrest Gump" dates jogging to maybe 1973.

    Weightlifting was wildly out of fashion when jogging was huge in the mid-1970s, but then you could sense it start to rise. I can remember one date very clearly because I've been wracked with guilt ever since. In May 1978 my father and I went to a soccer game at the Macarena Stadium in Rio in Brazil. It was in a sketchy neighborhood so we planned to take a cab back to the hotel at Ipanema Beach, but it turned out to be such a bad neighborhood that there were no cabs at all. We were rescued by a bodybuilder dwarf, who was the tour guide for a bus full of German soccer fans. He told us we were in danger and to get on his bus back to Copacabana. The four foot tall muscleman was very friendly and asked us where we were from. When we said Los Angeles, he said he always wanted to go to Muscle Beach in Venice, CA. He was very apologetic about it because bodybuilding was so out of fashion in the 1970s.

    But I was going to tell him that bodybuilding was the coming thing in Hollywood, that his hobby was going to be huge worldwide in the future, that he wasn't a weirdo like he was apologizing for being -- he was the wave of the future, that there was this guy in L.A. named Arnold Something who was going to be very very very big ... all this flashed through my head, but ... I didn't say it. And I've regretted it ever since. I could have cheered up our dwarf recuser for months -- and been right about the future -- but for some reason I only said, "Uh-huh." Maybe I was stumped by how to pronounce "Schwarzenegger?"

    And then there was Jane Fonda's aerobics. She started a workout studio in 1979, and released her first video in 1982.

    Meanwhile, people who were into any of those things got fatter and fatter as food got tastier and more convenient with things like microwaves.

    Sure, but there are limits to the extent to which you can change your body. Endomorph Larry Summers will never look like ectomorph Anthony Wiener.

  68. “Plus the jogging-runners world-marathons craze took off about 1972 and was good for 20 years.”

    The main thing which has changed since the 1970s & 80s, is no one calls it “jogging” anymore. But they still do it. Maybe not quite as much as in 1979, but a heck of a lot more than in 1959.

  69. @Marty
    Sorry, my IQ isn't 140 so I don't get it. Are you saying that HRC's mere pronunciation will be enough to rope in these 60
    million voters? I mean, in '76 I voted against Carter simply because I didn't like his accent, but then Gerald Ford wasn't Ivy, wasn't a carpetbagger, and didn't take his first job out of law school specifically to represent Black Panthers.

    Are you saying that HRC’s mere pronunciation will be enough to rope in these 60 million voters?

    Not all of them, but certainly a few million of them. HRC only needs 38% of the white vote to win in 2016.

  70. @Dave Pinsen
    There are a number of examples of >75 year olds still being creative - Frederick Seidel is still writing poetry, Herman Wouk is still writing novels, Warren Buffett is still finding new forms of tax arbitrage, etc. - but Steve's points about most people not being creative at any age, and that not making their lives unworthy of living, holds true.

    I wonder how Zeke's adopted sister feels about this http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/15/magazine/the-brothers-emanuel.html

    Painters, many painters, get better with age: Titian; Picasso; Braque; Matisse; Hopper, to name only a few who did exceptional work after 75, h*ll, after 80!

  71. @Svigor

    Pretty much, a mean IQ of 115 means
     
    ...that you're cherry-picking IQ surveys. Actual mean Ashkenazi IQ is more like 107. Mean Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is 104 (IIRC). A lot of Ashkenazis live in Israel.

    you’re cherry-picking IQ surveys. Actual mean Ashkenazi IQ is more like 107. Mean Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is 104 (IIRC). A lot of Ashkenazis live in Israel

    So you agree that British and American Ashkenazi are around 110, then you average that with Israeli Ashkenazi of 104, to get 107?

    The problem with doing this there would have to be really extreme selection of intelligence for US/British Ashkenazi immigrants versus those who stayed in Europe and later mostly became Israeli settlers. Given regression to the mean, the gap would have to be even greater than 6 when most of this migration was happening from 1880 to 1960.

    Is it possible? I guess. But the onus on someone proposing that an ethnic group divided itself up in such an extreme way would be on the person making this assertion. While I do think the smarter Jews tended to head to the USA as opposed to Israel (We got Einstein, they got a bunch of religious zealots), the bulk of both groups were most likely very close to the Ashkenazi average, and regression to the mean brings them closer together each generation.

    Here is Cochran’s survey from 2005:

    Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data. They score 0·75 to 1·0 standard deviations above the general European average, corresponding to an IQ of 112–115. This has been seen in many studies (Levinson, 1959; Backman, 1972; Romanoff, 1976), although a recent review concludes that the advantage is slightly less – only half a standard deviation (Lynn, 2004).

    Lynn, author of this low estimate from 2004, came out with a higher estimate in 2006:

    Three early studies are summarized that found that Jews in Britain have mean IQs in the range of 110–113. New data are presented for two nationally representative samples of 7–16 year olds in which Jews had mean IQs of 108.5 and 107.7. Taking all five studies into account, it is proposed that the best reading of the IQ of Jews in Britain is 110. It is proposed that the best reading of the IQ of Jews in the United States is 109.5.

    (Note that Britain’s Jews are more likely to be Sephardic than America’s)

    Here’s Charles Murray in 2007:

    But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise.

    Lynn again, in 2011:

    Ashkenazi (European) Jews have high average earnings, educational attainment, socio-economic status, and intellectual achievements. It is proposed that these can be at least partially explained by their high average IQ, which is estimated at 110. The Mizrahim (Oriental) and the Ethiopian Jews have lower IQs, estimated 91 for the Mizrahim and 70 for the Ethiopian Jews

  72. It is a good thing people slow down when they get old. Old people have nothing to lose. Didn’t you ever see Going in Style?

    If I’ve still got enough piss in me when I’m 85, I’m going to spend six months drinking, smoking and dropping acid. Then I’m going to go out in some kind of public blaze of glory to attract attention to a cause I believe in.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Leonard Cohen just told USA Today that he'll start smoking again at 80, which he turns today. And that article had a link to this one.
  73. Let’s kill everyone over 30! I hear Charlie Manson is a genius!

  74. I found another recent estimate of Jewish IQ from Lynn, based on vocabulary scores on GSS.

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/paid2008.pdf

    He estimates 109.06 as the US jewish verbal IQ mean. He derives this from the jewish and white gentile means and standard deviation of 7.48 (2.07) and 6.21 (2.09).

    The problem is, the very low ceiling of this test, of 10, underestimates the jewish vocab advantage. Indeed, the Jewish wordsum mode is 9 out of 10. The best a jew can score above the jewish mean is 1.21 standard deviations. That means the Jewish mean is not being increased by anyone with a vocabulary above that. In the gentile sample, by contrast, someone with a +1.7 SD score raises the mean more than someone with a +1.2.

    I did a back of the envelope correction, and come to a revised estimate, based on Lynn’s data, of 109.82. A similar is needed for other high-performing group IQ estimates such as Episcopalians if you’re going to use GSS wordsum.

    A second, more minor problem is that 1.2% of the self-identified jewish sample are individuals identified by the interviewer as black and 0.8% as other. The 2.1% of self-identified jews who are black or other scored a mean 4.4, far below the rest of the Jewish respondents.

    Removing them from the sample gives a corrected white Jewish estimate of 110.2.

  75. Paul Klee did some pretty amazing stuff in his 80s……Maybe he could get a reprieve from the murderous Dr. Emmanuel….

  76. So you agree that British and American Ashkenazi are around 110, then you average that with Israeli Ashkenazi of 104, to get 107?

    You know, I honestly can’t remember all the numbers I used. I do remember that there were more Ashkenazis in the diaspora than in Israel, though. And yes, I probably used 110 for diaspora Ashkenazis. And yes, that might be a bit high, because it’s probably an American figure, and probably higher than the actual diaspora mean. (Caveat emptor, it was a back-of-a-napkin kind of thing)

    Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data. They score 0·75 to 1·0 standard deviations above the general European average, corresponding to an IQ of 112–115. This has been seen in many studies (Levinson, 1959; Backman, 1972; Romanoff, 1976), although a recent review concludes that the advantage is slightly less – only half a standard deviation (Lynn, 2004).

    I don’t know where Cochran’s getting his numbers. He seems to be choosing from the high end. I also don’t know where he’s getting his European numbers. If you go with a European mean of 100, then +.75 standard deviation would be 109, and +1 would be 112, no?

    But, yes, I’d say a Ashkenazi mean of 110 for the Anglosphere seems like a good ball-park figure.

  77. Is it possible? I guess.

    Er, we can debate the reasons for a thing, but the thing remains. I suppose you can dispute the mean in Israel, but the onus would be on you. It hardly seems rigorous to dispute a fact because it seems out of whack to you. I can easily see why more capable Jews would choose the diaspora over Israel, given all the whining Jews do about the hardships Israel faces, how steadfast Jews are in characterizing racism and rightism (and especially, racial rightism) as the province of the stupid, etc.

    • Replies: @Lot

    I suppose you can dispute the mean in Israel
     
    What mean? Point me to evidence of IQ tests being done on a representative sample of Israeli Ashkenazi. I don't think one exists.

    Lynn is a hard worker and brave, but statistical compilation and meta-analysis are not his strong suit. I think he came up with the absurdly low figure of 90. Yeah, that's right, the average Israeli is right around the 60th percentile of African Americans.

    The point is, we have lots of high quality evidence of USA, German, and UK Ashkenazi IQ. The default assumption should be the IQ is basically the same as the rest of that population.
  78. @Jean Cocteausten
    It is a good thing people slow down when they get old. Old people have nothing to lose. Didn't you ever see Going in Style?

    If I've still got enough piss in me when I'm 85, I'm going to spend six months drinking, smoking and dropping acid. Then I'm going to go out in some kind of public blaze of glory to attract attention to a cause I believe in.

    Leonard Cohen just told USA Today that he’ll start smoking again at 80, which he turns today. And that article had a link to this one.

  79. @Mr. Anon
    "retiredman says:
    September 19, 2014 at 10:13 pm GMT

    ethicist = having been educated to the point that you have lost any sense of right or wrong"

    "BehindTheLines says:
    September 20, 2014 at 12:00 am GMT

    As soon as I hear someone referred to as a “bioethicist”, my single question is, “Is the person’s name Thomas Szasz?” When the answer is no, I know the person is a totalitarian jerk who either wants to decide when I die or how many kids I’m allowed to have."

    Well said. So-called "ethicists" are usually just rationalizers of evil. Take Peter Singer, for example.

    That I agree with. Ethicists always seem to be coming up with clever excuses to do things that are wrong. Thomas Jefferson said if you put a moral question to a professor and a plowman, the plowman was more likely to come out right, and he was hardly anti-intellectual.

  80. A humor site featured this painting in a how to recognize the artists. A Van Eyck is knowable because “everyone … looks like Putin.”

  81. “Clyde says:

    The Askenazi male deal is thinking outside the box and Bell curve. Many geniuses but then many idiots at the other end of distribution.”

    I have not noticed that Jews are especially adept at thinking “outside the box” (to use that cliched term which I hate). Some of them are. Many, however, are predictably orthodox in their thought.

    And the large number of very smart Jews does not mean that there are also a lot of jewish idiots. The Ashkenazi IQ distribution has a greater mean, not a greater width. Someone who is not so bright for a Jew is still probably not truly dumb.

  82. If you go with a European mean of 100, then +.75 standard deviation would be 109, and +1 would be 112, no?

    Wait, no, my bad. That would be using 12 as an SD, when it’s 15 (more typically). So it would be 11.25 and 15, respectively.

  83. What Makes Rahmy Run?

  84. @Svigor

    Is it possible? I guess.
     
    Er, we can debate the reasons for a thing, but the thing remains. I suppose you can dispute the mean in Israel, but the onus would be on you. It hardly seems rigorous to dispute a fact because it seems out of whack to you. I can easily see why more capable Jews would choose the diaspora over Israel, given all the whining Jews do about the hardships Israel faces, how steadfast Jews are in characterizing racism and rightism (and especially, racial rightism) as the province of the stupid, etc.

    I suppose you can dispute the mean in Israel

    What mean? Point me to evidence of IQ tests being done on a representative sample of Israeli Ashkenazi. I don’t think one exists.

    Lynn is a hard worker and brave, but statistical compilation and meta-analysis are not his strong suit. I think he came up with the absurdly low figure of 90. Yeah, that’s right, the average Israeli is right around the 60th percentile of African Americans.

    The point is, we have lots of high quality evidence of USA, German, and UK Ashkenazi IQ. The default assumption should be the IQ is basically the same as the rest of that population.

  85. I don’t know where Cochran’s getting his numbers.

    In the less PC 1920-1970, there were plenty of large IQ tests of schoolchildren compiled and coded by ethnicity, and these showed US Jews at 112-117. The lower quality but more recent evidence is around 110. That’s actually a really big difference. I think the older studies were correct, but I can’t rule out that in the past 50+ years intermarriage and dysgenic fertility have lowered it a few points.

    Another possible explanation is that Jews really did score a full SD above the white mean in the 1960’s, but that doesn’t reflect a full SD of g, but partly reflected a more urban, striving, and scholarly upbringing, a gap that has narrowed as Jews have become more laid back and gentiles have become more urban, educated, and competitive.

  86. @Luke Lea
    Instead of writing "their dimwits are stupider, their smart ones more brilliant" I wish I had written "their cynics are more cynical, their fools more foolish and naive." There are some really dumb Jews out there -- I've met some humdingers -- but many more smart ones. On that I think everyone can agree. It's their intellectual talent that makes this population group important beyond its numbers, whether for good or ill.

    I don’t buy the “Jews are so brilliant and that’s why they have all this power” routine. I think they, as a group, are high IQ in the same way that most European groups are high IQ, but they’re not, as a group, Uber-Geniuses or anything. The source of their power comes down to money and their willingness to play by rules that Christians think are immoral. Their power originated with usury, plain and simple, and usury continues on today, along with little tricks like fractional reserve banking, the Fed, etc. In addition, they have an in-group mentality that sees non-Jews as OK to rip off, lie to, etc., on down to their seeing it as OK to behead them if they do such horrible things as worshiping Jesus Christ as God (learn about the Noahide Laws if you don’t know what I’m talking about here. The restoration of the Temple and the institution of the so-called “Noahide Laws” are end game stuff, the Big Goal. I would love for Sailer to make some posts about that almost never-spoken of reality!).

    If life were a game of Monopoly, one could say that the Jews (the rich elites, not “everyone with a Jewish mother,” of course) own the bank, and with that money can change the rules of the game to their favor, buy other players out so they have the “Monopoly” on the railroads, as it were. The worst of it all, though, is that the money gotten through usury and such have allowed them to own the media, and to then use the media to destroy our very culture, to actually make European and European-derived people hate themselves and become almost completely incapable of passing down their cultures to their own children (thanks, too, to public education, informed by Frankfort school nonsense, which didn’t come from the British, or Swedes, or Italians). Through that God-damned Scofield Bible, they even have American lovers of Jesus Christ putting Israel above all else, even the lives of their own children, given that they’d love for the USA to go to war to kill off all those “Ay-rabs” they think are all Muslims.** Hell, continuing on with the Monopoly metaphor, they even have a vertiable “Get Out of Jail Free” card, with other Jews covering for their misdeeds, and the ever-present “out” of just boarding a plane to Israel. It’s amazing.

    ** For an article that will make you want scream out loud, see this: http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php/topic,553929.0.html

  87. “Most people in general are not aggressively malignant, especially Hispanics and Asians, hence their vast underrepresentation in Hollywood, the music industry, and American pop culture in general.”

    There, fixed it for you, Jefferson.

  88. Richard Strauss , Four Last Songs, written at the grand old age of 84

  89. The Grave is Good for the Grave is Numbered, or Slaughter, the Blessed Medicine – the September 2014 installment, in other words, of “Why I Wish the Atlantic Had Died at 75.”

    Regarding the prime thesis of the author Dr. Emanuel, in his desiderata to remove himself from among the living sooner rather than later, it would be ungracious in the extreme for me to attempt any essay in dissuasion: I wish him only the best of luck in erasing from the book of American life the moral marginalia of his being, and should be only too happy, if his chosen means of dispatch unto nullity take suitably vivid form, to give him the card of a good rope-braider, razor-smith, or rat-poisoner. The source of my distaste, rather, lies in his exhibitionist libido to justify his wholesome project in the form of virtually every utilitarian trope with regard to Social Betterment and the More Abundant Life that, assayed whole and entire, underwrite the American Way of Death in all its imbecile splendor, such that all tax-dollar technocrats, among whose swollen members Mr. Emanuel throbs as penus inter pares, may so commence their Big Sleep serene in the assurance that they do so solely for the Greater Good – rather than merely their own or, indeed and truly and for all time, Gott im Himmel, mine.

  90. @Robinson
    I understand that anything written by an Emmanuel is suspect and that the example of his father's decline isn't too compelling, and that age 75 seems extreme (he does qualify that number at the end of the piece), especially for someone who looks so fit, but his article was well reasoned, supported by data, and pretty convincing. In our heart of hearts, don't we all have an image of debility where we won't want to live anymore? How many of us has contemplated living a life as Terry Schivo? How long would you want to go on? How many diapers? How many bed sores? How many gallons of ointment? How many connected tubes? How much confusion? How much humiliation? How many near death experiences? Do you really want a major surgery to maintain that state, or, more likely, end up in a worse one.

    He's right that life after a debilitating stroke resulting in paralysis might be worse than death, and that, unfortunately, the frequency of such lives is increasing. I think you gave the article short shrift. I think it was more than good enough to get a better rebuttal.

    What about the sanctity of the individual soul, which is a tenet of Christianity? What about the disabled with Downs syndrome or cerebral palsy? The Nazis were eager to usher them out before age 75. What would Zeke say about that aspect of the Holocaust?
    Get back to me when you’re 74, Zeke. In the meantime I’m 78 and busy loving my 7 grandchildren, all of whom I am influencing to be good Republicans.

  91. @Robinson
    I understand that anything written by an Emmanuel is suspect and that the example of his father's decline isn't too compelling, and that age 75 seems extreme (he does qualify that number at the end of the piece), especially for someone who looks so fit, but his article was well reasoned, supported by data, and pretty convincing. In our heart of hearts, don't we all have an image of debility where we won't want to live anymore? How many of us has contemplated living a life as Terry Schivo? How long would you want to go on? How many diapers? How many bed sores? How many gallons of ointment? How many connected tubes? How much confusion? How much humiliation? How many near death experiences? Do you really want a major surgery to maintain that state, or, more likely, end up in a worse one.

    He's right that life after a debilitating stroke resulting in paralysis might be worse than death, and that, unfortunately, the frequency of such lives is increasing. I think you gave the article short shrift. I think it was more than good enough to get a better rebuttal.

    What about the sanctity of the individual soul, which is a tenet of Christianity? What about the disabled with Downs syndrome or cerebral palsy? The Nazis were eager to usher them out before age 75. What would Zeke say about that aspect of the Holocaust?
    Get back to me when you’re 74, Zeke. In the meantime I’m 78 and busy loving my 7 grandchildren, all of whom I am influencing to be good Republicans.

  92. […] Ezekiel Emanuel is the bioethicist of the three Emanuel brothers: another is Rahm, the Mayor of Chicago, and the third is Ari, the Hollywood superagent portrayed by Jeremy Piven on Entourage. (Why we are supposed to take moral advice from a celebrity ethicist whose beloved brothers are notorious examples of amoral ruthlessness never seems to come up …) Ezekiel recently wrote in […]  […]

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Robinson
    I understand that anything written by an Emmanuel is suspect and that the example of his father's decline isn't too compelling, and that age 75 seems extreme (he does qualify that number at the end of the piece), especially for someone who looks so fit, but his article was well reasoned, supported by data, and pretty convincing. In our heart of hearts, don't we all have an image of debility where we won't want to live anymore? How many of us has contemplated living a life as Terry Schivo? How long would you want to go on? How many diapers? How many bed sores? How many gallons of ointment? How many connected tubes? How much confusion? How much humiliation? How many near death experiences? Do you really want a major surgery to maintain that state, or, more likely, end up in a worse one.

    He's right that life after a debilitating stroke resulting in paralysis might be worse than death, and that, unfortunately, the frequency of such lives is increasing. I think you gave the article short shrift. I think it was more than good enough to get a better rebuttal.

    I don’t believe we’re discussing the limited choices available in the case of debiltating illness or disablity in individual situations, but the public policy that seems to be furthered by statements such as these made in public forums by highly-placed government advisors. One is a difficult conversation amongst family and medical supports, the other is a registration form I need to complete to notify the government that I just turned 75. While I can “appreciate” the elegance of the hyper-rational, I have never found myself swayed to their icy beliefs.

  94. @Hepp
    What a strange argument. His dad seems happy and fine. So he's not as smart and quick as he once was, is Emanuel saying he's better off dead? Why exactly?

    I am 76 and suffer from cancer, kidney failure, and a neurological disorder that leaves my arms and hands virtually useless, I am ready to pass, even though I try to be active in church I find it more and more difficult. I personally have to agree with Dr. Immanuel.

  95. Good points. Doubtful that I will be around to learn whether Ezekiel has changed his mind. Most of us that reach 75 are quite content with the fact that we do and enjoy different things than when we where 55 and certainly 25. But then at 25 there is a whole life left to make mistakes. Perhaps
    Ezekiel has not learned much since 25. After all physical and mental speed has already peaked by then.

  96. Woops, My comment above was in response to the original post by Steve S. My of the following posts are off topic. Ezekiel’s thought piece deserves a thoughtful response. The question of whether different cultural or ethnic groups have different aptitude scores for one skill or another is quite off topic and a sad comment on the ability of blogs to generate mostly thoughtful responses.

  97. […] 2008 – Steve Sailor of Unz.com in an article discussing the Emanuel family, wrote about Ari’s brother Rahm and being appointed White House […]

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