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One little-remarked change over the decades has been the growing shamelessness of special pleading by immigrants. They’re barely even trying anymore to phrase arguments in anything other than Us Good, You Bad, We Deserve Your Money terms. For example, from the New York Times opinion page:

The Immigrant Grandparents America Needs

By Stacy Torres and Xuemei Cao
Aug. 20, 2018

If you strolled by the playgrounds of Flushing, Queens, this summer, you would have seen throngs of Chinese immigrant women tending to their American-born grandchildren.

The moms and dads were at work, all through these long summer days. For those who cannot afford expensive day care and camps, in a country that does almost nothing to help working families care for their kids, grandparents are a lifeline. And increasingly, these grandparents are immigrants.

One of us, Xuemei, recently spent time with a Flushing family who moved here from rural China years ago. Each day the mother, father and grandfather board buses arranged by their employers to take them to work at Chinese restaurants. They leave their home around 10 each morning and return around 10 each night. In their absence, the grandmother performs all of the housework and cares for the couple’s two American-born children.

Maybe the capitalists who own the Chinese restaurants should pay their labor more?

Oh, I’m sorry! That would be racist! The Zeroth Amendment says that capitalists from everywhere and anywhere should come here, get rich paying their labor a pittance under the table, and you should pay for the workers’ mother-in-law’s health care out of your payroll deduction for being so foolish as not getting paid in cash.

The Trump administration is now threatening those care-taking arrangements.

President Trump has been pushing for a law that would end family-based immigration — what he calls “horrible chain migration.”…

In June the House defeated a plan by Representative Bob Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia, that would have restricted legal immigration through the family reunification program so that only the spouses and minor children of American citizens could immigrate — barring grandparents. … But Republicans haven’t given up.

The Trump administration’s determination to separate families has formed the backbone of its immigration policy since Day 1. These proposals reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of 21st-century American families and contradict the principle of family unity that has guided American immigration policy for the last 50 years. …

According to data from the Department of Homeland Security, the number of legal permanent residents admitted as parents of United States citizens rose to about 174,000 in 2016 from about 56,000 in 1994, an increase to 15 percent from 7 percent of all admissions.

America needs these late-life immigrants.

After all, they are obviously going to pay in huge amounts in taxes to compensate for all their Medicare.

Immigrant elders also help transplanted families maintain a sense of continuity. They may serve as cultural intermediaries by teaching grandchildren about their home country’s language, religion, food and cultural traditions. Their accounts of family histories can serve as a source of ethnic pride and personal empowerment for younger generations searching for their identities as racial and ethnic minorities.

America needs more Ethnic Pride! After all, racial resentment is a job Americans just won’t do, so we need more immigrants to keep the fires of race anger burning bright for us.

Instead of narrowing our conception of what a family is, we should broaden it. When one of us — Stacy — was 16 and the oldest of four children, her mother died. Her father wanted to bring his niece from Chile to help the family out. But nieces didn’t count as eligible family members under the reunification program. So the family struggled along. …

Stacy Torres is an assistant professor of sociology at the University at Albany, where Xuemei Cao is a doctoral student.

I wonder if either of these two scholars could pick out the old-time, rapidly being forgotten meaning of the word “disinterested?”

 
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  1. Western says:

    “After all, they are obviously going to pay in huge amounts in taxes to compensate for all their Medicare.”

    Do these grandparents who come here get Medicaid through social security supplement because they haven’t worked enough for Medicare Part a and b?

  2. I happen to know a little to a lot about this particular area, so let me chime in with some supplemental outrage:

    First of all, the Commies in Red China started this whole “men and women are all the same” crap with their Mao jackets (came in blue AND gray) and rice-bowl-template haircuts for all, and jobs for everyone. The Chinese were sucked into this women-in-the-workplace stupidity, and that’s why the grandparents raise the kids. For some of the older grandparents, they raised their own kids before the Commie stuff kicked in hard, so they are working their asses off raising a 2nd set, only much more spoiled this go-around. What I’m saying is – this stuff has NOTHING to do with living in America.

    Secondly, most of these people are here illegally, especially in the restaurant business. Did Stacy and Cao BOTH forget to mention this? How weird!

    Have either of you, Stacy and Cao, ever tried to pay for you meal there in your favorite authentic Chinese restaurant in Flushing, NY with a credit card? I DON”T THINK SO! They only take cash – it says right there on the wall. They do lots off the books, so they can make a killing, still get the Big-Gov freebies for the kids, and pay their illegal aliens in cash. Some big cheeses in NYC must be paid off to let this happen in the wide-open like this.

    If you can’t tell who the sucker is in all this, you should find a mirror somewhere.

  3. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    In June the House defeated a plan by Representative Bob Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia, that would have restricted legal immigration through the family reunification program so that only the spouses and minor children of American citizens could immigrate — barring grandparents. … But Republicans haven’t given up.

    Here’s an idea you can try on for size: How about let’s send them all home?

  4. Oh, I forgot:

    Lots of these granny-grants have come illegally, not via the southern border, of course, and not via the China to King Buffet Pipeline, but via visa-overstaying. Even if the Feral Gov’t made an effort, how in hell would an immigration officer pick one out? Forget it, Zhaic, it’s Chinatown.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Prester John
  5. Why dont they just stay home and avoid all these self-inflicted inconveniences?
    Immigrants used to arrive in this country with gratitude and looking for a way to cotribute.
    Todays invaders arrive with a wish list of things to shower on them for increasing poverty crime congestion disease, and lowering wages and our social capital.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  6. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Western

    Of course they get Medicaid, and even if they didn’t, check out an ER in or near any American city some time. Full to the gills with third-world immigrants using it as a free primary-care facility.

    We hate on the flood of third-world immigrants around here, and with good reason. But I for one don’t completely blame them for taking free food, free housing, free education, free health care, and so on and on.

    Not to mention the endless preferences we offer them. Yes, they break our laws, but we also entice them. Trump’s only one man, and he’s up against a government bureaucracy of millions, fed state & local. Nearly all of which are allied against him.

    We also criticize Trump for staffing his departments with a certain number of swamp creatures. What’s he supposed to do? Where will the enlightened alternatives come from? How’s he supposed to know them? He had a grand total of zero experience in government. And as we’ve seen when he’s tried to do right he’s ended up with vipers. But I digress ;)

  7. OT or maybe not.

    according to the researchers, STEVE is the result of different atmospheric processes

    Courtesy of America’s real newspaper of record, the Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6080297/Mysterious-ribbons-light-dubbed-Steve-not-auroras-scientists-say.html

    News that Steve is an atmospheric light will of course have to be reconciled with prior documentation that our host is a hedge:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  8. @Buck Turgidson

    Maybe some of them are pretty pissed upon arriving, when finding that there are just too many damn foreigners here! They can’t get any peace and quiet.

  9. Sorry Steve, I read too fast. You did say in your excellent snarky way, much of what I wrote.

    Stacy Torres is an assistant professor of sociology at the University at Albany, where Xuemei Cao is a doctoral student.

    Eliminate Feral backing of student loans and charge a $10,000 annual refundable security fee on foreign students. Just the 1st one would pop this University bubble, like a kid jumping on Amazon bubble wrap.

    Those moves would eliminate things like:

    Stacy Torres is an assistant professor of sociology at the University at Albany, where Xuemei Cao is a doctoral student.

  10. Alfa158 says:
    @Western

    I’m not sure if this is still the case but I think they are immediately eligible for Medicaid. The cash payments through SSI don’t start until a five year residency is fulfilled. The way it worked was that their relatives had to sign an affidavit when sponsoring them for immigration certifying that they will support them, but after five years they can claim to be impoverished and get SSI anyway. Of course they can probably get SSI immediately by getting a medical disability claim approved. It’s another reason you see so many ancient third world peasants doddering around. They actually become another revenue source for their kids.
    It’s hard to know because the Gov tries to obscure what happens in order to avoid taxpayer uprisings. Anyone have up to date information?

  11. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    As Brimelow is fond of saying, family reunification can happen on the other side of the border, too. Third world grandparents may as a group be mostly harmless and try to help their own families but why on earth should we sacrifice our own children’s future wellbeing to support them?

  12. Twinkie says:

    moved here from rural China

    Something tells me that we didn’t get the pick of the litter here.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  13. J.Ross says: • Website

    On topic: shame exists in a culture and diversity is the empty shameless space between cultures.
    ———–
    Off topic: Silent Sam, a statue commemorating the courage, strength, and the youth of ordinary Confederate soldiers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, has been sacrificed to barbarians whose only honor is atrocity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7bR9rmTW9c [Open]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Sam

  14. Forbes says:

    Immigrant elders also help transplanted families maintain a sense of continuity. They may serve as cultural intermediaries by teaching grandchildren about their home country’s language, religion, food and cultural traditions.

    Ancient history: Assimilation
    Au courant: Multiculturalism

    Separate countries for separate people.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  15. I wonder if either of these two scholars could pick out the old-time, rapidly being forgotten meaning of the word “disinterested?”

    Aw hell no. I was just a few minutes ago trying unsuccessfully to sleep, disturbed by this very thought. Yes children, we geezers are easily disturbed.

    It’s part and parcel of our societal infantilization. I am old enough to recall “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.” But when today “vagina” must be replaced with “front hole” because the former might hurt some freak’s feelz, I suspect our past is long dead. We did cower in fear of words like “shit” and “piss” however because short simple words describing bodily functions everyone I know performs daily were “obscene”. That’s pretty infantilized too, but it’s clearly much worse five decades later.

    Objectivity is completely gone now. It’s all subjective. Subjective all the way down. Not turtles, but feelz atop feelz forever. We have no autism epidemic, we have the opposite – a feelz epidemic.

    Can the mad scientists out there work on resurrecting George Carlin? Or would George too be silenced in (current year)? (Note to Millennials, watch George on YouTube before he’s banished)

    • Agree: fish
  16. Forbes says:

    Each day the mother, father and grandfather board buses arranged by their employers to take them to work at Chinese restaurants.

    Don’t they need to go to work in the food desert in Chicago?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-food-deserts-to-blame-for-chicago-shootings/

    • Replies: @Anon
  17. OT, but Steve-ish enough to deserve a mention:

    1.200 Venezuelan refugees expelled by angry mob from Pacaraima, Northern Brazil.

    (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-brazil-border/tense-calm-on-brazil-venezuelan-border-after-anti-immigrant-riot-idUSKCN1L40LU?il=0)

    Context: Venezuela is collapsing, and its people are trying to escape to anywhere, even to Brazil. The flow has brought some 130.000 Venezuelans to Brazil in the last year, of which half stayed, most in the border State of Roraima. Tensions rose as the State cannot provide for so many people and the Federal Government preferred to ignore the situation, neither sending financial help, nor allowing for a temporary closure of the border, nor allowing for a better screening of the migrants.

    Last week, four Venezuelan thugs robbed, tied, and stabbed a local restaurant owner in Pacaraima. The man had to be taken on a common car to the hospital in the State capital because the town’s only ambulance was already on the road, and the special ambulance disponibilized by the Army was only for the use of the refugees!

    The next day, an angry mob expelled the camped Venezuelans, burned their belongings, and destroyed the local shelter.

    Composite video from the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlpKt93dJk

  18. A few years ago there was a PBS Frontline called “Abacus: Small Enough To Jail,” which was supposed to elicit in the audience outrage at how a Bank founded by a Chinese immigrant and run by a Chinese immigrant family (children born in U.S.) catering to Chinese in Chinatown in New York City was allegedly the only bank charged with criminal behavior following the financial collapse of 2007-2008. The contrast is supposed to be between “Too Big to Fail” and “Small Enough to Jail.”

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/abacus/

    In the film they elide that part of the charges of fraud stemmed from the FDIC Insured Bank approving fraudulent loan applications from Chinese applicants who showed income that was a fraction of the debt service on the loans to be made. The defense made in the film was that this is SOP, and that the borrowers are creditworthy because they always make their payments, albeit in cash. In other words, the Bank is servicing an entire community of foreign tax scofflaws, knowingly lending to patent tax evaders, and this was presented as a defense of the Bank. The soft-selling of this sort of participation in defrauding the U.S. government of its due tax revenue will leave you with steam coming out of your ears.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  19. BB753 says:

    Trump is such an evil Nazi for daring to suggest we don’t need to import Chinese amd Mexican grannies! The GDP would take a hit, we can’t allow that!
    That’s not who we are!

  20. peterike says:

    The hatred I have for these people is absolutely bottomless.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    , @Reg Cæsar
  21. When one of us — Stacy — was 16…

    …and thus still a dual citizen…

  22. Her father wanted to bring his niece from Chile…

    rather than take his four dual-citizenship-holding children to their other homeland.

    …to help the family out.

    But not out of the country.

  23. Steve is bringing up a phenomenon I cite in political arguments with my own Democrat mother who is insistent on getting her full measure of Social Security benefits and “Red, White and Blue Medicare” while towing the ever shifting party line on the National Question.

    I make the point that the Sainted Immigrant families all seem to live in multi-generational arrangements. Abuela is a source of unpaid labor/cooking/childcare in exchange for her room and board. Whether or not Abuela is collecting Social Security or is Medicare eligible is a detail – Judis’ and Texeira’s Emergent Democratic Majority seems to have grandma covered, and as it skews much younger than the core white population it will increasingly vote to shift public spending away from old age benefits prepaid over decades from payroll deductions and towards free natal and pediatric care. As the coming Brown majority grows in electoral significance, a comparatively “rich old white lady” who owns a nice home free and clear will not be a compelling figure in Democratic politics when her interests are inevitably put into conflict with big eyed bouncing brown babies. “I earned this with the sweat of my brow” hasn’t been a salient argument on the left for a good decade now.

    Counterpoint: Donald Trump grabs ‘em by the kitty kat.

  24. JimB says:

    Yeah, this has been a big thing in CA for a while. Popo travels to America on a tourist visa just before the baby is delivered and overstays her visa, sometimes for years. This way, the H1B parents can get free childcare, and the anchor baby’s first language ends up being Chinese, not English. Often Popo will have a medical crisis while she’s in the US because she’s, you know, old and had no medical coverage or treatment for her chronic illnesses in China. But no problem: Popo presents herself at an emergency room as an indigent, and Uncle Sucker (US) foots the bill. Then Auntie Liu shows up to overstay her tourist visa to care for Popo. Before you know it, the whole village has taken over an apartment building which one of the parents decides to buy with the down payment they saved from not paying childcare.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  25. Anon87 says:

    Where are everyone’s biological grandparents? I can understand needing 2 salaries, but you have free babysitters ready to spoil your own kids. I guess it’s better to throw them into homes and upgrage to an exotic granny slave to raise your kids.

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Daniel H says:
    @JimB

    Sounds like current day Flushing, Emhurst, Bensonhurst, Sunset Park, in New York City. Gee, finally something for Angelenos and New Yorkers to commiserate over.

  27. @Twinkie

    moved here from rural China

    Something tells me that we didn’t get the pick of the litter here.

    I recall reading somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the foreign cooks in your corner American Chop Suey joint weren’t trained or experienced restaurant cooks in China. They were agricultural laborers or hawkers or diesel mechanics or whatever – they just know that indentured servitude in their cousin’s restaurant in Des Moines is a way into the U.S., and once here there is little fear of deportation.

    • Replies: @clyde
  28. @peterike

    The hatred I have for these people is absolutely bottomless.

    Gold Box Comment.

  29. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump could’ve deported 3 million by now.

    But no. Ivanka and other assorted Manhattanites would get upset.

    Kushner Krime Klan is in Kontrol.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  30. They may serve as cultural intermediaries by teaching grandchildren about their home country’s language, religion, food and cultural traditions. Their accounts of family histories can serve as a source of ethnic pride and personal empowerment for younger generations

    Or pour gasoline on deep-seated animosities for people with no intention to assimilate. Either one, take your pick.

    Worth noting: the successful immigrants who came here in the early 1900s left the extended family back home. But now even granny needs and expects high-speed internet.

  31. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Once the African migrant wave begins, Zodiacs coming ashore in Mexico and waves of Africans storming The Wall, or the lack of a wall, we are going to have migrants whose age, and even nationality, are going to be unverifiable. So the concept of writing “minor children” into the law could be a mistake. The minor chilldren may have minor children back home who also have minor children.

  32. MarkinLA says:
    @Alfa158

    The way it worked was that their relatives had to sign an affidavit when sponsoring them for immigration certifying that they will support them,

    And I believe the Supreme Court ruled those contracts unenforceable since they were signed by the kids and not the recipients of the goodies. I know plenty of ex-Russian Jews who have their parents on welfare and I don’t think they ever supported them. They are on section 8 and SSI. I have a Chinese friend who says he is suck to his stomach every time he has to hear his wife’s elderly relatives and their friends brag about how much they get when all of them live well above the average American.

    • Replies: @J. Dart
  33. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I get all the crap from the GOP about how great it is that the military has more money and we got tax cuts. Thee billionaire fund managers even got to keep their carried interest deductions. No attempt whatsoever to force real immigration resatrictions.

    They haven’t got a penny from me this time.

  34. istevefan says:

    For those who cannot afford expensive day care and camps, in a country that does almost nothing to help working families care for their kids…

    Not only does the country do almost nothing to help working families care for their kids, the government actually makes it worse for them by importing millions of laborers to compete with and lower the wages of those working families, and to fill their kids’ schools to the gills.

    • Disagree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Dtbb
  35. clyde says:
    @Alec Leamas

    I recall reading somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the foreign cooks in your corner American Chop Suey joint weren’t trained or experienced restaurant cooks in China.

    Where I live some of the cooking crew might well be Mexicans/Central Americans. Depends on how big the chop suey joint is. These Hispanics can pick up the basics as quickly as an illegal Chinese. Hispanics also like Chinese food, same as Americans, and are good customers.

  36. J. Dart says:

    As usual, the NYT is telling whoppers. The Goodlatte bill that got defeated in June (H.R. 4760, Securing America’s Future Act), did not “bar[] grandparents”. It just stopped them from getting green cards (i.e. path to citizenship followed by chain migration of all their siblings) or public benefits, or taking jobs from American workers. They could still get a special non-immigrant visa to live here for as long as they like, at their own family’s expense (Section 1101(e)).

    Parents being non-quota immigrants is one of the scarier parts of our messed up immigration+welfare system. It’s already bad enough that just 40 quarters of covered earnings in the US, and you get Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare Part A for life. But totalization agreements reduce that to as little as 10 quarters. I.e. grandma comes in age 62, works at minimum wage in the family business for less than three years, and enjoys her US taxpayer-funded retirement. Obama signed a Social Security totalization agreement with Brazil, and there were reports of ongoing negotiations with India. At least we don’t have one with China or Mexico (Dubya signed one with Mexico but never submitted it to Congress). Imagine what would have happened if HRC got elected …

    • Replies: @Anon
  37. istevefan says:

    Immigrant elders also help transplanted families maintain a sense of continuity. They may serve as cultural intermediaries by teaching grandchildren about their home country’s language, religion, food and cultural traditions.

    Well there is your problem. There isn’t supposed to be a sense of continuity with the old country. When you come here you are supposed to cut the ties that bind you to the old world and start anew. Well, at least that is how it worked for us, the pre-1965 Europeans.

    If the grandparents are here to maintain a sense of continuity and to serve as cultural intermediaries by teaching grandchildren about their home country’s language, religion, food and cultural traditions, they need to go back. So too does the family who brought them here. If you have any doubts about whether to cut the ties to the old country, it’s a sign you should not cut them and should return immediately.

    Their accounts of family histories can serve as a source of ethnic pride and personal empowerment for younger generations searching for their identities as racial and ethnic minorities.

    I thought we were not supposed to have ethnic pride. Recall the lectures recently directed against folks like us that we should take no pride in Western Civilization because it was created by others and we have a sort of unearned privilege in trying to associate with the glories of the past.

    Well if that is the case for us, wouldn’t it be the case for others too? Why should a contemporary Chinese feel special for what previous Chinese accomplished?

    • Replies: @dwb
  38. Dtbb says:
    @istevefan

    Sorry. I meant to agree with you.

  39. MG says:

    In Silicon Valley, you see large groups of elderly Chinese in some public parks. They almost certainly don’t speak English and are very recent immigrants. I suspect these are the parents brought over by their techie children. They never paid a dime into the system but I suspect they will draw all the benefits accorded the elderly and which came out of our taxes.

    The entire Third World figured out how to make fools out of Americans. To notice it is, of course, racist.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @TTSSYF
  40. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:

    And increasingly, these grandparents are immigrants.

    Do these immigrant grandparents qualify for Medicare and Medicaid and help their presumably tax-filing children receive income tax credits?

    • Replies: @Anon
  41. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Can their children claim them as dependents when filing tax returns?

  42. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    They bring the grandparents here for the $800 or so a month SSI per elder plus Medicare & Medi caid and all the other senior benefits.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  43. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes they qualify for all the benefits. Income tax??? LOL

  44. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MG

    We are the pension system of India and Asia.

  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J. Dart

    If she works a few years and the family pays social security tax she will get regular SSA. But Asian businesses don’t pay payroll taxes and evade other taxes.

    But she can appear at the social security office on her 65 birthday and get the social security for disabled and aged, SSI never having put a penny into social security.

    A van will pick her and others up and a social worker and translator will take the whole crew to the social security office so things go smoothly.

    And a lot of them aren’t 65 but younger with Chinese government documents stating they are 65.

  46. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    They bring the grandparents here for the $800 or so a month SSI per elder plus Medicare & Medi caid and all the other senior benefits.

    How do their grandparents qualify for Medicare and social security if they haven’t paid in? How do they qualify for Medicaid if they are here illegally?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  47. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is an example of Chinese business owners and their fraud and rip offs. It’s been going on since the 1930s when unemployment insurance began.

    State Unemployment insurance uses the social security number. But there is no cross checking. If money starts coming into an unemployment account the social security number isn’t checked with social security.

    So, the Chin business sets up several ghost employees and pays into state unemployment under made up social security numbers and names, say Linda Lee and Bill Wong.

    The China know exactly how much salary to claim they pay and for how long to get the maximum unemployment benefit when they apply.

    After a couple years, people claiming to be Linda Lee and Bill Wong apply for unemployment having been laid off for lack of work. In the old days, they had to apply in person and show Dr licenses and social security cards, no problem the Chins have a drawer full of fake ID.

    Now days it’s done mostly on the internet with only a few visits to show ID.
    It’s common every where there are Chinese’s businesses. It used to be regularly mentioned in the papers. Now it’s covered up.

    It’s not even necessary to have an actual business. Just set up a fake business, create your ghost employees, look at the benefits scale fill out all the forms, send in the money and start collecting on your ghost employee after 2 years.

    A Hispanic woman was caught a few years ago having defrauded Ca state unemployment of $380,000 with her fake business and ghost employees.

    This happened in my Persian Jew neighborhood There was a little jewelry store that had absolutely beautiful and unique things in the window. So I’d always stop and look and admire when I walked by. I heard it was more of a consignment shop than a place for new jewelry. So that explained why the stock was so beautiful and unique. The consignments were from the wealthy Persian Jews of the neighborhood

    One day the store was closed. Happens all the time. Then I heard the story. One day the owners just closed on Friday night and disappeared with all their stock. So all that expensive beautiful jewelry that Persians entrusted to other Persians to sell was stolen. The new jewelry they had just received from a wholesaler and not yet paid for was gone too. Plus arrears in rent. They’ll probably just open up under another name and get another SBA loan.

    Persians are all like that, Muslim Jew Chaldean Catholic Nestorian Christian Zoroastrians. They are just White collar criminals. They are not businessmen who cut corners and evade taxes and do some cheating They start the business planning to steal and cheat as much as possible

    And a lot of the older Persian Drs are into Medicare medi caid fraud. They are retiring soon
    The younger Persian Drs are supposedly a lot more honest about billing . They should be, growing up in Beverly Hills they learned it’s possible to make an honest living in America.

    Persian mechanics and body shop owners are also complete crooks. Either go to the dealer for good work and high cost or a Mexican shop for good work and reasonable prices.

    Another thing Persians and Armenians do is look on the internet or phone book at the lists of contractors. They copy down the name and contractor license number and go to Kinkos to get cards and flyers. They put themselves on the internet with their phone number and place ads in all the newspapers

    So they get a lot of work, do it badly or not at all and pretty soon they disappear and the real contractors are being sued.

    Off topic N Carolina university Chapel Hill. Today a crowd of faculty and students knocked a confederate statue Silent Sam smashed it up and screamed about racism.

  48. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    How do their grandparents qualify for Medicare and social security if they haven’t paid in? How do they qualify for Medicaid if they are here illegally?

    I can’t even believe this website permits questions as racist as this in the Current Year.

    Maybe TD is right and we will get shut down. Apparently we deserve it.

  49. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    They are not here illegally. They are here under family re unification.

    Every person in this country legally under family re unification or whatever is entitled to social security on their 65 birthday

    Or if they are Americans who’ve been on welfare and never worked a day or owned a business and never contributed to social security and Medicare is eligible to receive social security Medicare and medi caid on their 65th birthday

    2 kinds of social security.

    SSA is for people who have contributed to social security

    SSI is for people who are disabled
    At any age They get medi caid

    SSI is for people who never contributed on their 65 birthday. They get Medicare and medi caid That’s why we are the retirement system of Asia and India

    And given that India and especially China are eager to dump the elderly on the US pension system a lot of them aren’t 65 at all but have birth certificates passports other ID from the home country falsifying their age.

    SSA and SSI both come from the contributions of employers and employees who worked and contributed all their lives.

    Communist E. Germany had the same system. Workers were walled in. People were sent to W Germany at 65 to live off the W German pension system.

    Off topic The local news is showing a horde of pudgy Hispanic kids and their 250 pound mothers lined up to get free back packs and school supplies.

    All summer long the local news showed the overweight Hispanic kids getting free lunch at city and county parks. That program’s been around for years

  50. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    Or why I try to never eat out, especially in Asian Mexican restaurants. Take away the sauces and you’ve got a 2,000 calorie pile of rice noodles and nasty canned re fried beans.

    The rise of obesity goes along with the increase in rice noodle tortilla and bean restaurants

  51. CCZ says:

    The grandparents that America has:

    ‘Grannies’ on a mission to the US-Mexico border.

    The group, calling themselves the “grannies,” traveled from New York City to border town McAllen, Texas, to challenge the administration’s policies with a message “of basic human decency.”

    Now, moving in a loose two-by-two formation, the grannies greeted families sitting under tents at the border, providing food and words of support to those waiting to cross into the US.

    For Kathleen Mellen, mother-of-three and grandmother-of-two, her time on board had brought her far from her home in Northampton, Massachusetts.

    “You can’t really prepare for something like this,” she says. “To see people basically sitting on gravel with tarps over them… it breaks your heart.”

    Coming next: The “Above Ground Grannie Railroad” a prospective granny-led transport network that would help ensure immigrants’ safe passage to their next destination after release from detention.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45174891

    https://www.granniesrespond.org/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  52. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    I thought the 5 year requirement only lasted a few years and then was dropped or overturned by a court order.

  53. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon87

    People aren’t “ sent off” to nursing homes unless they are too disabled or old to care for themselves, hardly appropriate baby sitters

    Since nursing homes are paid for by Medicare medi caid and medical insurance admission requirements are strict. Medicare and insurance companies won’t pay for a healthy person’s stay in a nursing home.

    The grand children of people in nursing homes are usually in their teens and 20s and don’t need babysitters

    The great grandchildren of nursing home patients need baby sitters but if the handicapped 9o year olds were healthy and strong enough to baby sit they wouldn’t be in in nursing homes.

    “ exotic granny slaves”. Do you mean Americans import Chinesevabd Mexican older women to baby sit?

    • Replies: @Anon87
  54. @Forbes

    That passage is worrying because they’re not even pretending to endorse integration with the host society anymore.

  55. TTSSYF says:
    @MG

    I personally know of two instances in which elderly parents were brought to the U.S. specifically for medical treatment…one from Korea and the other from the Middle East. Neither, of course, has ever paid a dime into the system.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    a message “of basic human decency.”

    Oh right! That’s what we’re missing! If we don’t all trash our countries and essentially wreck what’s left of Western Civilization, we’re lacking “basic human decency.” How could I have missed that?

    Come on people. It’s only a million here or a million there. Open your hearts!

    Over 50 million in the USA atm btw. What could possibly go wrong?

  57. @Alfa158

    You and I may not be sure if they are immediately eligible for Medicaid–but bet your sweet arse that the family members of the new arrivals know 10X more about Medicaid than US citizens whose taxes support the program.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  58. ic1000 says:
    @Alec Leamas

    > [The Nova producers elide that some of the fraud charges stemmed from the Abacus Bank's approval of fraudulent loan applications from Chinese applicants who showed income that was a fraction of the debt service on the loans to be made. The defense made in the film was that the borrowers are creditworthy because they always make their payments, albeit in cash. In other words, the Abacus Bank services an entire community of foreign tax scofflaws, and this was presented as a defense of the Bank.]

    Great synopsis. This is how Fake News Works. The Party’s media affiliates try to avoid fact-checkable outright falsehoods, instead crafting stories that will be interpreted one way by credulous low-information viewers — most Americans. Yes, a few people can arrive a the correct conclusions. Those who already know the background, or who give the mainstream organs the trust that they’ve earned. The SOP of mentioning a few discordant facts is an inconsequential concession to the sacred traditions and standards of Journalism. Dropping into church once a year on Easter Sunday.

    I find it almost impossible to explain such incidents to family and friends, most of whom vote. Getting hung up on this level of detail is tedious. You’re missing the big picture. Why should I believe you rather than the subject experts who put the report together?

    That’s the progressive establishment’s great insight of the internet age. Allow dissidents free reign to shout their cacophony of discordant truths from every corner of Hyde Park. Few voters have the inclination to pay attention and sort it out for themselves.

    • Agree: Crew Cut Man
    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
  59. George says:

    Boycott New Zealand because they are bad people.

    http://www.visabureau.com/newzealand/visa-requirement.aspx

    To be eligible for immigration to New Zealand as a skilled migrant you must meet the basic visa requirements:

    You must be under 56 years of age;
    You, or you and your family, must meet all health, character and English ability requirements; and
    You must be able to meet a pass mark of 100 points in the Points System to register an Expression of Interest.

  60. @Western

    Walk into the Krogers or Walmart in Irving, TX, just outside of Dallas. You won’t know if you are in India or the US. Plenty of old folks too, and you know they weren’t working there thirty years ago, and their progeny don’t look all that well to do, so somebody is paying for them, and it would likely be you.

  61. GSR says:

    Fuhgitaboutit, the USA is kaput. Soon to become Tijuana/Islamabad/Bejing. The invasion is never going to be stopped. We don’t have the will.

  62. Little known fact: You can buy Medicare A & B if you don’t qualify w/a work history, but it can cost quite a bit – over $500 a month. There are certain stipulations, like age or disability, but nothing that can’t be navigated. Also if you have SSI, which is means-tested not work related, the federal government will not only pay that premium but Medicaid will kick in as a supplement to pay what Medicare doesn’t pay 100% of and to ensure you get cheap drugs.

    I forget the name but a professor in Calif. who married into the Chinese community had a long article in CIS years ago about Chinese immigrants gaming the system. There apparently are publications in some east Asian countries telling potential aged immigrants how to get what is theirs.

    So aged parents get brought over by kids who swear that they will take care of them, but who know the date that the parents get deemed, meaning eligible for benefits, down to the day. The parents may be useful in taking care of the grandkids but the grandkids get old enough not to need much care and the parents start to get frailer.

    The kids get grandma all set up on SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, subsidized housing, etc on the west coast in Chinatown while they move outta there to another location.

    Wait! Wait! you say. What about all those east Asian family values? What about taking care of your elders? As far as the kids are concerned they HAVE taken care of Mom – they’ve made her a ward of the rich US of A. They are assimilated enough not to feel that they personally have to take care of Mom, bathe her, get her to the bathroom, etc. Mom meanwhile still speaks only Chinese.

    I am hearing wails from people who are saying how mean Trump is to start holding immigrants responsible for actually taking care of the relatives they import or give birth to here. I say good for the Donald. What took you so long?! One more law that wasn’t being enforced!!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. J. Dart says:
    @MarkinLA

    The affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract now. Clinton’s welfare reform in 1996 made the INS rewrite the old one, which apparently wasn’t enforceable. (Funnily enough, there’s a halfway-decent New York Times article from 1995 about that.)

    Immigrants themselves have taken advantage of that. There’s tons of recent cases where an immigrant sued their sponsor to enforce the contract, and won (random examples). In every one I’ve seen, there was a divorce involved, meaning the real motive for the suit was to make the sponsoring ex-husband’s life miserable. If the immigrant just wants money, it’s easier for them to apply for benefits than to sue the sponsor.

    The problem is, neither local, state nor federal governments ever bother exercising their explicit statutory authority to sue the sponsor when the immigrant collects benefits. More than a decade ago there was one case where taxpayers sued Los Angeles County to try to force them to do that, but it went nowhere.

  64. Travis says:

    in New York even the illegal aliens easily obtain Medicaid. It is more difficult in New Jersey. When my nanny got sick she went to a hospital in Jersey City and they billed here for services. The hospital gave here assistance, but still sent her a bill. The next time she was hospitalized in New York , after being pushed down a flight of stairs by some “youths” in Queens, went to New York and they signed her up for medicaid.

  65. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    I personally know of two instances in which elderly parents were brought to the U.S. specifically for medical treatment…one from Korea and the other from the Middle East. Neither, of course, has ever paid a dime into the system.

    How are they able to qualify? How did they manage to not pay for it?

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
  66. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @SWVirginian

    Are illegal immigrants (like visa overstays) able to receive all of these things?

    • Replies: @SWVirginian
  67. @Anonymous

    “Taxes leterns? What are these tax leterns of which you speak?”

    Sorry, just snark there, but I think they probably can. It may not matter even for those who are on-the-level, as (not just talking about NYC now) lots of these grandparents come when their children are in grad school or post-docs, etc. and aren’t making much money to begin with. Additionally (I’m no tax guy, but I’ve seen it.) I’m pretty sure lots of grant money etc. used as salary has no tax taken out to begin with, including SS.

    Man, that just made it even worse; even the adult Chinese children are not paying SS for their parents that will soon abuse use it.

  68. @Anonymous

    Yes. All you need is an SS #.

  69. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes or no-does anyone REALLY know how many immigrants have come to this country (legally or otherwise) in the past 25 years? Lemme guess at the answer.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  70. George, it sounds like New Zealand has their heads on straight, unlike us. You actually have to show you can provide value to their society in order to immigrate there. What a concept.

    But what about the Dreamers, who dream of kicking back and living off the host nation they hate?

  71. Anon87 says:
    @Anon

    Amazing that every grandparent is too disabled or too old to care for themselves. Your family used to help with that. When was the last time you saw a real In Law room in a new build? Honestly most grandfathers didn’t live long enough to live with their kids (male priveledge means dying first).

    With wide open borders, I would say we absolutely import labor.

  72. dwb says:
    @istevefan

    This comment deserves a gold box.

    It’s worth repeating this brilliant comment one more time:

    There isn’t supposed to be a sense of continuity with the old country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. @Anonymous

    No. These elderly parents are brought over legally as family reunification. After a certain amount of time – 3 or 5 years – they are considered deemed and eligible for all sorts of benefits. That is why it is so important to reform legal immigration in the area of family reunification.

    In some states, illegal aliens can get some benefits that are covered by state laws. Varies state to state.

    If the person whatever his age is a refugee or asylee, benefits start as soon as they are in status.
    It’s a racket.

  74. Bleuteaux says:

    Yes, God save us from the flood of grandparents.

    Here in my Midwestern company town, with two major private sector employers and a large federal employer, you can see every neighborhood overtaken with Indian immigrants here on every variety of Visa. Walk in to a Walmart or grocery store and it’s a quarter or more Indian.

    It’s not enough that my tax dollars have to pay for the education of the children of the parents taking jobs from Americans. I also have to pay for their parents to be here. Has anyone tallied up all the gifts and prizes we are giving these people? For free, without ever having paid a dime in taxes?

    As late as 15 years ago, the sight of dazed and confused 70 year olds, who speak zero English and have never left their village before moving here, dressed in native wear navigating a space-age alien civilization with grocery stores and traffic lights would have been unthinkable. Now I get to see it every day.

    The end of globalism can’t come soon enough.

  75. @ic1000

    However, it makes you wonder why they try so hard to “deplatform” us. They’re not really so confident.

  76. @Anonymous

    Hospitals provide medical services for free to immigrants, whether legal or not.

    • Replies: @SWVirginian
  77. Alfa158 says:
    @Prester John

    I hear the long term figures run about 1.5M per year for each group. (they fluctuate from year to year. Ex., a few years ago I saw someone do an in depth count of legal immigrants to refute the governments low-ball claims and it came to 1.8M. He found the government excluded entire classes of immigrants from their count for that year in order to produce a figure of 750K.)
    So, I think 75M is a reliable ballpark number for the last 25 years. I live in California so I can see the tsunami that has hit us, and when I travel, I notice more and more the growing islands of brown in even the most unlikely corners of the country.

  78. ATBOTL says:

    I have heard countless first hand horror stories about swarms of elderly, non-English speaking Chinese descending on government offices to claim various benefits.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  79. @Buck Turgidson

    Wait, Buck, that test they all take to become citizens is about the Constitution. Here I was thinking I could talk to an immigrant if I have a question about the “General Welfare” clause or some of the more difficult penumbras. Are you telling me that these are my go-to people for Medicaid advise? How could I have been so wrong? I’ll have to rearrange my rolodex cards.

  80. @Prester John

    NO. Just by definition of being false-documented, these individuals cannot be counted. All estimates have been made via rectal extraction, a process perfected by the BLS.

  81. Vibrant future doctor-engineer held in slaying of Beautiful Becky in Iowa:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-murder-suspect-idd-as-cristhian-rivera-24-living-in-us-illegally.html

    Who’s ready for Kate Steinle part deux?

  82. Anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Similar issues in Canada. A big announcement of an expansion to the program yesterday. “On Monday, the federal government announced it will admit up to 20,500 parents and grandparents under its reunification program in 2019, and 21,000 in 2020.”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lottery-immigration-reunification-1.4791705

  83. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I woke up to see this in the news this morning.

    I was back in Iowa in my hometown earlier this month. This case was a national news story then, when Mollie Tibbetts was missing; let’s see what kind of coverage it gets now.

    The whole story is heartbreaking, and infuriating. The same thing could now happen, easily, in my hometown, and indeed in nearly any town of any size across the state.

  84. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dwb

    It’s worth repeating this brilliant comment one more time:

    There isn’t supposed to be a sense of continuity with the old country.

    That Saddam Hussein of the 19th century, Brigham Young, probably endorsed the Deseret Alphabet for that reason.

  85. I was back in Iowa in my hometown earlier this month. This case was a national news story then, when Mollie Tibbetts was missing; let’s see what kind of coverage it gets now.

    They were desperately hoping it would be a Great White defendant.

    I mean, it was Iowa after all.

  86. @Crew Cut Man

    It has been a few years back but the husband of a nurse at a Northern Virginia hospital told of a guy from India who checked his mother with 4th stage cancer into the hospital. She was a ‘visitor’ and checked in as self pay. The hospital quickly ascertained the problem and declared it hopeless. The son threatened a law suit if Mom wasn’t treated to the max. She was.

    She died 2 weeks later in spite of the hospital’s best efforts, leaving a huge bill. Her son wasn’t responsible for her bills, she was dead so no money there. Guess who paid?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  87. Twinkie says:
    @SWVirginian

    Northern Virginia hospital

    Mount Vernon, Fairfax, Fair Oaks, Reston, StoneSprings or Loudoun?

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