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From the Washington Post:

This trail-blazing suburb has tried for 60 years to tackle race. What if trying isn’t enough?

By Laura Meckler, OCTOBER 11, 2019

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio — It’s an article of faith in this Cleveland suburb: If any place can navigate the complex issues of race in America, it’s Shaker Heights.

Trump got only 11.7% of the vote in the 2016 election in Shaker Heights.

Sixty years ago, black and white families came together to create and maintain integrated neighborhoods. The school district began voluntary busing in 1970, and boundary lines were drawn to make schools more integrated. Student groups dedicated themselves to black achievement, race relations and cross-racial friendship.

And in the Stanford database of all the school district test scores in the U.S., Shaker Heights has, by one metric, the third largest white-black gap, trailing only comparably liberal Berkeley and Chapel Hill.

This is known as the Shaker Heights Effect: rich liberal towns tend to have high scoring white kids but don’t seem to do well at educating black kids. Shaker Heights even hired Nigerian-born anthropologist John Ogbu to study this question. Wikipedia writes:

In 1986 Signithia Fordham co-authored, along with Ogbu, a study which concluded that some African American students in a Washington, D.C., high school did not live up to their academic potential because of the fear of being accused of “acting white.” Ogbu further echoed these findings in his 2003 book Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement (which summarized his nine-month research on the educational gap between white and African-American students in the Shaker Heights City School District located in the upscale Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights, Ohio). He concluded that these students’ cultural attitudes hindered their own academic achievement and that these attitudes are too often neglected by parents, educators and/or policymakers.

But this long Washington Post article on Shaker Heights school race gap doesn’t even mention Ogbu, who sadly died soon after finishing his book. Back to the article:

So why, last November, was 16-year-old Olivia. M. [who is black] on the stage of Shaker Heights High School, begging the packed auditorium to understand how hard it is to be one of the few black kids in Advanced Placement English?

“I need answers,” Olivia said after escaping her seat, jumping onstage and taking the microphone out of the principal’s hand. She had ignored her mom’s admonition to keep quiet and, unable to suppress her rising anger, outed herself as the student at the center of a swirling controversy.

“It’s my education,” she said. “My education.”

Sixty-five years after the Supreme Court’s landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision declared segregated schools inherently unequal and ordered desegregation plans, many school districts remain deeply segregated. Racial issues are raw in many systems.

Yet in Shaker Heights, healthy race relations are a cornerstone of the community’s identity, the reason many choose to live here, a central organizing principle for the schools. …

Taxpayers, including some of the wealthiest people in the Cleveland area, approved one tax levy after the next, driven by the slogan “a community is known by the schools it keeps.”

While some inner-ring suburbs flipped from virtually all white to almost entirely black over time, Shaker schools remain nearly half white and just over half black decades after the first black families moved to the city.

Shaker Heights traditionally was a white and black suburb, without those pesky Asians and Hispanics to raise confusing questions about The Narrative. But, the schools are now 12% Asian, Hispanic, multiracial or other. But that’s apparently a small enough number to not be worth mentioning.

But the story of Shaker Heights shows how moving kids of different races into the same building isn’t the same as producing equal outcomes. A persistent and yawning achievement gap has led the district to grapple with hard questions of implicit bias, family responsibility and the wisdom of tracking students by ability level.

The Stanford database of test scores doesn’t find a single school district in the country where black students averaged statistically significant higher test scores than the white students. But that finding seldom comes up in all these articles that get printed year after year about some school district where everybody is shocked, shocked to find white-black gaps in test scores.

Last school year, 68 percent of white 11th-graders were enrolled in at least one AP or IB course, but just 12 percent of black students were.

“Any time you break our data out by race, we look like two different schools,” said Chris Rateno, director of student data systems for the district, which is home to about 31,000 people and eight schools.

The racial tension coursing through the packed auditorium last November traced back to a tense exchange between Olivia and a veteran AP English teacher, Jody Podl [who is white], six weeks earlier. Olivia had been dozing in class, playing with her phone. Now, her first big assignment of the year was late. The teacher had admonished and embarrassed Olivia. Olivia’s mom fired off a three-page complaint, suggesting racism and charging bullying. The district put the teacher on leave to investigate.

The racism allegation was quickly dismissed, but on Nov. 8, the date of the community meeting, the district was still investigating Podl, who is white, for bullying. Her fellow teachers were furious. Would they be accused of racism or bullying every time they told a student to do better in class? They arrived to the community meeting in force, wearing red union T-shirts.

“What happened to Jody (and is still happening to Jody) could happen to any one of you,” the union president said in an email encouraging teachers to attend the meeting.

And yet this is a district trying to raise the achievement levels of black students. Shouldn’t teachers do everything they can to encourage promising African American kids?

Why is a teacher telling a student to wake up, put away her phone, and do her work discouragement? I guess it’s because the student is black and the teacher is white.

As Wordsworth would say:

Ogbu! thou shouldst be living at this hour:
Cleveland hath need of thee

 
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  1. It’s all because of that systemic stuff, I tells ya! Why won’t anyone listen? Systemic!

    Wholly unrelated, this chick is asking for it:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/12/queen-chess-says-hard-imagine-women-competing-level-men/

  2. This trail-blazing suburb has tried for 60 years to tackle race.

    Well duh. How can you tackle something that doesn’t even exist? Ever heard of a football player tackling a social construct?

    What if trying isn’t enough?

    Oh, I know! I know! Pick me! We punish white people! Right? Oh that felt good.

  3. “What if trying isn’t enough?”

    We could try not trying, because race difference is a thing and it’s foolhardy to do whatever it is we’re trying to do. Mandating equality or whatever.

    But since we’re civilizationally deranged, that doesn’t occur as an option. In which case I wonder what could possibly be the alternative to trying. For what do they wish? Race to literally be tackled? Miscegenation or genetic engineering? I dunno.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    Mandating equality or whatever
     
    I know things must be getting bad because when I first read "mandating" I though it was some new craziness along the lines of "mansplaining".
  4. Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission. Did this start with Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift? In any case, it happened at the Dems’ LGBTQ town hall this week too.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    What about that other burly black transwoman? Her name was Shea. She got mad because the lady reporter called her "Shay." It was pronounced,we learned, "She-ah."
    Best to steer clear of those freaks.
    , @Father O'Hara
    What about that other burly black transwoman? Her name was Shea. She got mad because the lady reporter called her "Shay." It was pronounced,we learned, "She-ah."
    Best to steer clear of those freaks.
    , @Pericles

    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission.

     

    Yo yo yo, dat be raciss, she shouda been rapping and twerking to put her point across to whitey.
    , @Pontius
    How did we get here....
  5. Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren’t telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A’s.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    • Replies: @An
    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    What's the link to the video of her speaking?
    , @SaneClownPosse
    "The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing."

    White guys confronting a black girl, who was being fearless, and confronting systemic, inter-sectional racism.

    Yeah, that would play well in the Media.

    Doing nothing is the only option with the least chance of negative consequences.
    Anything that they do, would be a red card foul. Don't play the game.

    A teacher told a student to pay attention in class and to get going on her project.

    Back before CRA, and current year correctness, the teacher would have doing their role, and the student would have needed to buckle down and do their role.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    This is not a reply to CAL2. Supposed to be a new comment.

    I have a vague memory of a 16mm film of a study of high school teenagers in Shaker Heights, back in the late fifties or early sixties. Don't recall what it is was about. Maybe sex or drugs, why else would anyone do a study of well to do white suburban kids.

    Maybe it was a driver training film. I remember "the" Ohio State Highway Patrol producing traffic safety films with gory accidents. I lived in Minnesota, not "the" Ohio State.

    Just remember "Shaker Heights". Tried DuckDuckGo, no results for any research study.

    , @Pericles

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

     

    They should at least have pulled out their phones.
    , @Gordo

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.
     
    The sad thing is the White guys sitting doing nothing throughout the Western world.
    , @Autochthon
    Yeah, like most large corporations, the ones I have worked for have regular events where the CEO, CFO, COO, CTO, General Counsel, and so on sit on a stage and make speeches and take questions from employees in a large auditorium: invariably, someone leaps onto the stage and snatches the microphone from whichever executive is speaking, denouncing the leadership's policies and pronouncing how important the individual employee is. Naturally, the ranting employee is applauded, promoted, and given a large bonus each time.

    Wait...I'm sorry...that's actually never happened once in the hundreds of these events I have endured. I think it is because such behaviour would lead to a prompt escort out between two burly goons in corporate security and the termination of the employee (perhaps, if he were lucky and talented, mere admonitions and demotion; certainly a stalled career).

    Similarly, if one is seen to be playing Candy Crush Saga on his phone or falling asleep during important meetings at the office the boss tends to be unimpressed – well, you get the point.

    If this savage is truly concerned about her education, she had ought to be educating herself about causes and effects, actions and reactions – consequences, that is – in the real world.
  6. White people it’s as simple as this. Know your place. It’s last. Before every Black person a White person must be and grovel. That’s the rules. Whites need to know their place.

    If course, how well that lasts is another thing.

    • Replies: @Realist

    If course, how well that lasts is another thing
     
    It will last as long as Whites allow it.
  7. Hey, sounds like a nice school.
    Normally when I read a story about a black girl using her phone in class it’s her video of some other black girl beating up on a nice white lady teacher.
    Maybe progress is being made after all.

    My advice to Shaker Heights is, just as with Head Start, just keep pouring in lots and lots of money and even more money on top of that money, and one day, some day, over the rainbow, wish upon a star…the Gap will be closed. But if not, don’t worry…

    …on a long enough timeline the survival rate for anybody being around to see the Gap closed drops to zero.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
    ".....…on a long enough timeline the survival rate for anybody being around to see the Gap closed drops to zero......"

    Chisel that one in stone. A worthy child of Plahaniuk's original.
    , @dr kill
    These nice Ohioans must not be spending enough money on education. Why won't they think of their children?
  8. “What if trying isn’t enough?”

    No! Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try.

    Just do it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    No! Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try.
    Just do it.
     
    Agree. I for one am so sick of these racist Shaker Whites voting for Obama to cover their structural racisting Shaker Blacks. All their kids need to be whacked on the head until the gap is closed.

    ~~

    Seriously this is just 200 proof minoritarianism. The core value of minoritarianism is that white gentiles are not free people but exist to serve, provide goodies and be punching bag for minorities.

    But like all minoritarianism if confronted directly with a declaration of independence:

    "Fine, let's separate. You go do your thing, and we'll take care of ourselves our way."

    ... minoritarianism folds up like the cheap suit it is.

    White people simply need to confront minoritarianism as the thuggish sleazy scam it is and insist on their fundamental rights and freedoms. The right to associate with whom we want, attend school with whom we want, bake cakes for whom we want, live in neighborhoods with whom we want, live in a nation with whom we want and yes ... golf with whom we want!
  9. Genetic/heritible IQ?

  10. I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It’s not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is “acting white”; instead they saying doing well in school is “acting white” to cover for performing poorly.

    • Agree: Alden, Realist, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Blacks on average just do not have "the necessities".

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.
    , @Anon

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.
     
    It's the same as mediocre white people who claim to be really smart but "don't test well." A similar claim is being so smart that school wasn't enough of a challenge to even warrant trying to get good grades.

    The difference is that we let white people have whatever lame excuses they need to cope with mediocrity, but we spend billions of dollars and man hours trying to solve the issue of black kids who claim a paralyzing fear of "acting white."
    , @Moses
    That never occurred to me. I think you’re right.
    , @GermanReader2
    That kind of behavior has been understood since millenia. Just read Aesop's fable 'The fox and the grapes'.
    , @dr kill
    I've come to suspect that ' don't act like a white kid ' means something different in the Korean - American community than in the African - American community.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It’s not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is “acting white”; instead they saying doing well in school is “acting white” to cover for performing poorly.
     
    I believe that's largely correct. Although (as I have witnessed myself), there are individual Blacks who do have academic potential, and find themselves pressured to avoid conforming to perceived White norms. That's undoubtedly a much smaller problem, but it does also exist.
  11. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.
     
    1000x this. That girl just locked in her free ivy education and postgrad $200k diversity sinecure.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I doubt it. Why admit her over some studious Igbo girl who’s been raised by a leopard mother?
  12. A climatic oddity of Cuyahoga County is that the eastern suburbs get three time the snowfall of the western ones. Shaker Heights appears to be about the midpoint of this, which is almost metaphorical, isn’t it?

    Also, the Shakers for whom the place is named are famous for not having children, but that isn’t the case at all. Shaker communities often had many children. But they were adopted. Another metaphor?

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I’d like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Like Oak Park in Illinois, this city has amenities other than racial comity to attract newcomers. Do blacks and whites move there at the same rates, for the same reasons? Is one race more likely than the other to stick around town for generations, regressing to their mean?


    East of Cleveland must be really segregated, as the only ones who’d live there are minorities who can’t afford better, and founding-stock Western Reserve Yankees for whom the weather is a feature.

    • Replies: @Johnny789
    Mainly because the southern shoreline of Lake Erie heads north just east of Downtown Cleveland. The westerly winds pick up moisture off of the lake and dumps it as snow in the Winter once it hits the land of the east side and it's suburbs.
    , @Laugh Track
    I'm not sure where this map comes from, but it is really sucky in noting the relative location of suburbs and cities outside of and around Cleveland. Just type in "Cleveland" into Google Maps and try to make the resulting map square with this jigsaw puzzle. The comparison is laughable.
    , @Sandmich
    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I’d like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.
    ---
    Indeed, I'd have to think that they'd be doing much better than any of the slummy areas that one has to go through to even get to Shaker Heights.
    , @anonymous

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I’d like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.
     
    I'd like to see the college admissions data. I'm sure that proportionately more blacks are going to better colleges than the Jews due to AA. And that's the kicker. The reality is that it doesn't make any difference if more blacks are in AP because only diversity matters to the colleges. The standards for blacks have been lowered and they know it so Olivia knows that she should be able to play on her phone during class because that's black privilege.

    It was sobering to see the immense achievement gap between most of the black and Latino applicants and their white and especially Asian counterparts. But I couldn’t help but think that part of that gap was due to the well-known lowered expectations for favored minorities. Even achievement-oriented students tend to work hard enough to accomplish their goals — and no harder. Why tell the best and brightest black and Latino students that they don’t have to do as well, that they can take their foot off the accelerator and still attend the best schools?
     
    This is a quote from an article that David French wrote for NRO about his experience on the admissions team of Cornell Law School. Many of us have seen the data that showed white kids from families that earn $20k score better on the SAT than black families that make $100k. The liberals have now normalized for minorities that merit doesn't matter. It's what you think you're owed.
  13. “Why didn’t you do better on your ACT?’

    “Because the racist white lady teacher didn’t tell me to put away my phone in class and finish my assignments.”

    “Why, that would be bullying.”

    “I know, but it’s better this way because then she’s the one that didn’t do her job.”

  14. …escaping her seat, jumping onstage and taking the microphone out of the principal’s hand.

    Excuse me, but this mike grabbing antic- is this part of ‘acting black’ nowadays- or just the lower impulse control threshold tendency of the negro race(s)?

    I seem to remember (thanks to Mr Sailer’s noticing of it) some poor silenced ignored black man who, just like Olivia, unable to suppress his rising anger (that Beyonce hadn’t won all the Grammies), seized the microphone from some Ayran girl.

    Or is this ‘talking back to the Man’ – or, er….

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    Ms. Meckler, meet Sisyphus. There's probably a Wikipedia entry about the dude.

    There's a weird kind of force field, or medieval miasma around progressive thought. Today's progressives are witch burners. But they're too stupid to grok it.
  15. @Reg Cæsar
    A climatic oddity of Cuyahoga County is that the eastern suburbs get three time the snowfall of the western ones. Shaker Heights appears to be about the midpoint of this, which is almost metaphorical, isn't it?

    Also, the Shakers for whom the place is named are famous for not having children, but that isn't the case at all. Shaker communities often had many children. But they were adopted. Another metaphor?

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I'd like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Like Oak Park in Illinois, this city has amenities other than racial comity to attract newcomers. Do blacks and whites move there at the same rates, for the same reasons? Is one race more likely than the other to stick around town for generations, regressing to their mean?

    https://www.cleveland19.com/resizer/R_ewXfQ1hU9Bh4RLut8kLI7x408=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6U637I2FA5BCVAP2HCHSFBQZKY.png

    East of Cleveland must be really segregated, as the only ones who'd live there are minorities who can't afford better, and founding-stock Western Reserve Yankees for whom the weather is a feature.

    Mainly because the southern shoreline of Lake Erie heads north just east of Downtown Cleveland. The westerly winds pick up moisture off of the lake and dumps it as snow in the Winter once it hits the land of the east side and it’s suburbs.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Same thing on the Lake Michigan shoreline beginning at the eastern city limits of Gary IN and then proceeding along the shoreline east to Michigan City IN and then north into Michigan
  16. begging the packed auditorium to understand how hard it is to be one of the few black kids in Advanced Placement English?

    They leave out the part explaining it’s hard, not due to be surrounded by white students as the Left would like to imply, but because she is taunted and bullied by other black kids for acting white.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not "conform" to "being white". Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

  17. @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    Blacks on average just do not have “the necessities”.

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Pearls.jpg
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I appreciate your reference to Al Campanis, one of the first race realists to be called out and fired for his views. (I'm sure there were earlier examples, but this one sticks in my mind.)

    Campanis' remarks took place on the late-night ABC News program Nightline, on April 6, 1987, during the run-up to the 40th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's Major League Baseball debut (April 15, 1947). Campanis, who had played alongside Robinson and was known for being close to him, was being interviewed about the subject. Nightline anchorman Ted Koppel asked him why, at the time, there had been few black managers and no black general managers in Major League Baseball. Campanis' reply was that blacks "may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager" for these positions. Elsewhere in the interview, he said that blacks are often poor swimmers "because they don't have the buoyancy." Koppel says he gave Campanis several opportunities to clarify, ("Do you really believe that?") or back down from his remarks, but Campanis confirmed his views with his replies. Koppel also pointed out that much of what Campanis was saying "sounds a lot like the garbage we heard 40 years ago." Campanis was fired less than 48 hours later.
     
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks on average just do not have “the necessities”.

    There, I said it.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogQ0uge06o
    , @Anonymous
    The reference is to the last bit of dialog on film from a very late film star if I am not mistaken.
  18. Olivia. M. [who is black]

    Olivia is quite the fashionable name among white parents these days, so this helps.

    Jody Podl [who is white]

    What a fantastic name! But do we really need to be told someone with such a Central European surname is white? I suppise, especially in Shaker Heights, that some Podl boy could have– what’s the flip side of “coalburning”? “Ice delivery”?

    Less likely is that this is her maiden name. Would the Podls do that to a child? According to this news story, when she was placed on administrative leave, it rhymes with toddle, not yodel, but still… (And don’t miss the Hendrix poster.)

    https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/11/02/shaker-heights-schools-mum-personnel-matters-involving-principal-teacher-placed-leave/

    Interestingly, although names ending in -dl are common in the mountains where German, Czech, and Slovak are spoken, the only Podls I can find are Viennese Jews.

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/shaker-teacher-jody-podl-s-grievance-sustained-arbitrator-decides/article_73bc9e32-660d-11e9-8514-c7cee10bbfd7.html

    Jody Podl = Odd j’lopy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    We lived on the top floor of a house owned by a family named Podlasinski for a time when I was a kid. They changed their name to "Podlin" for a while but went back because everyone assumed they were Jewish then.
    , @reactionry
    Dear Reg Kaiser:

    As usual - wie gewöhnlich - your comments are "verrry interesting"* and with respect to "dl" endings of names, are consistent with respect to my birthplace of Bavaria. On the other hand, "Jodl" does rhyme with "yodel."

    While it's true that I was antisemitic, as was said by the retired rabbi in the movie "Independence Day," - "Nobody's perfect." Also, my Nuremberg conviction was, in a teachable moment of reconciliation, reversed in 1953.

    Still Loyal To My Eternal Germany,
    Your Generaloberst,
    Al,
    Hell

    * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424527/bio

    , @Joe Sweet


    Jody Podl [who is white]
     
    What a fantastic name!
     
    That's a very kind take, Reg.

    The name reminded me, visually and sonically, of a pair of rock hard, tiny turds at the bottom of a toilet.

    If it's her maiden name her parents should be slapped. Think how much lovelier the world would be if she was called Marianne instead.

    (And while I'm here, thanks for for all the great anagrams!)

    Joe Sweet:

    Ewe so jet
    Jet so wee

  19. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    What’s the link to the video of her speaking?

    • Replies: @CAL2
    On the actual WaPo article Steve links up in the post.
  20. How many of the “whites” in question are in fact Fellow Whites?

    My time in Ohio and the Bay Area/Silicon Valley taught me the Shaker Heights, like Beachwood, Solon, Cleveland Heights, and University Heights, were highly disproportionally jewish from the 1970s on, in the sense of policymaking and wealth.

    In the ’80s through ’00s I met a surprising lot of social science Ph.D. jews from Shaker and University Heights everywhere in tech, often business starter uppers with tons of family money, including tribal VC. They always seemed to walk away quite easily from failed startups to new enterprises with nary an interruption of their lifestyles.

    So that seems an important element of any discussion of demographics in that locality…

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/122655-jewish-neighborhoods.html

    …which we’d likely not get from the author, Shaker Heights native and Bernie supporter/TDS sufferer

    http://laurameckler.pressfolios.com/

    Her photo there is pretty old.

    http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2017/04/disgusting-wsj-reporter-laura-meckler.html

    Some of you may recall her “drunken Obama sock puppet incident” of circa 2012. Probably the funniest thing Buzzfeed ever reported. The name of the Buzzfeed reporter was Michael Hastings.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    “They always seemed to walk away quite easily from failed startups to new enterprises with nary an interruption of their lifestyles.”
    This is normally how it turns out. I’ve personally known a lot of people like this since my career was in tech. The smart ones never put their own money on the line, and always ensure that a fair amount of the venture money ends up in their pockets as wages and bonuses during the life of the enterprise. If the company lasts long enough for the stock options to be vested, and the market price goes above the strike price they exercise and sell immediately. By sticking to these rules there are therefore only two possible outcomes to the enterprise, both good:
    1. The venture takes off and succeeds, in which case the entrepreneurs make an enormous pile of money.
    2. The venture crashes and burns, the entrepreneurs don’t make an enormous pile of money but made a nice living while it was running, and parachute out to try it again with a new company.
    , @AceDeuce
    You beat me to it--Shaker Hts. is historically an affluent close-in suburb on the East side of Cleveland. Up until 60 years ago, it was almost totally white, then kneegroids started seeping, then flooding, in.

    However, as mentioned, many if not most of the "whites" in Shaker Heights, then and now, are of the beanie-wearing/lox-eating type
  21. All races, including blacks, do better with discipline. Only certain races have the foresight to implement it.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    If one race uniformly attempts to impose discipline on another race, then that specific implementation ipso facto, is considered to be racist.

    And discipline, or attempting to use self-control regarding one's inner behaviors is tantamount to imposing a white supremacist mindset on persons of color, as that's an attempt at coercing POC's to act white and not permitting them to keep it real.
  22. @Ano
    ...escaping her seat, jumping onstage and taking the microphone out of the principal’s hand.

    Excuse me, but this mike grabbing antic- is this part of 'acting black' nowadays- or just the lower impulse control threshold tendency of the negro race(s)?

    I seem to remember (thanks to Mr Sailer's noticing of it) some poor silenced ignored black man who, just like Olivia, unable to suppress his rising anger (that Beyonce hadn't won all the Grammies), seized the microphone from some Ayran girl.

    Or is this 'talking back to the Man' - or, er....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwyRLaybg4

    Ms. Meckler, meet Sisyphus. There’s probably a Wikipedia entry about the dude.

    There’s a weird kind of force field, or medieval miasma around progressive thought. Today’s progressives are witch burners. But they’re too stupid to grok it.

  23. @Mr. Grey

    begging the packed auditorium to understand how hard it is to be one of the few black kids in Advanced Placement English?
     
    They leave out the part explaining it's hard, not due to be surrounded by white students as the Left would like to imply, but because she is taunted and bullied by other black kids for acting white.

    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not “conform” to “being white”. Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20
    , @anonymous
    Our kids started school in Shaker Hts in the early '80s.
    We were encouraged to move to a "magnet school" by our employer, one of Cleveland's big law firms. We called the neighborhood a Lawyer's ghetto: associates from several law firms settled there -- it was a short walk to the Rapid, rail line straight into downtown. A local magazine even had a front page cartoon of grey-suited briefcase-toting lawyers marching along the sidewalks to the Rapid. They might have had a wind-up on their backs, or should have had.

    Efforts were made to attract whites to neighborhoods that had recently undergone red-lining and block-busting. The magnet school enticements included enriched Kindergarten and French classes. One of our kids was "identified as gifted." I don't remember how that ID was made; I've begun to suspect is was a sham to create body count for a program. (Although -- the kid IS really bright).

    Don't know about today, but in the mid-80s the effort to integrate involved only a few schools in the Black neighborhoods -- Shaker Hts had a number of carefully defined neighborhoods identified by the name of their elementary school -- ours and several contiguous neighborhood were middle-class and had the majority of the Blacks in Shaker. (iirc, they were on the Red Line Rapid; the Blue Line served the wealthier neighborhoods. They met at Shaker Square (where Paul Newman's family had a sports eep. shop), then into town on the same tracks), There was a strongly Jewish neighborhood - very few if any Blacks -- and several very wealthy neighborhoods that were also home to Jewish families but not many Blacks at all. To the best of my knowledge and in that time-frame, neither the Jewish neighborhood nor the very wealthy neighborhood elementary schools had the same programs to integrate Blacks as did the middle-class schools.

    Ironically, our kids had top-notch Black female teachers -- some of the best teaching professionals they'd had.

    We rubbed shoulders with a lot of very talented professionals in that Lawyers Ghetto. Our friends and the parents of our kids' friends are, today, heads of international corporations, law firms, political leaders of the highest rank. I can remember our children's Burmese friends, Jewish friends, and the children of professionals, mentioned above, but I do not recall any Black kids in their classes or among their playmates.

    It may be that in the 1980s the goal was far different from today's BLM agenda -- or maybe I was just not tuned into what was really going on, a distinct possibility. It is certainly the case that our concerns were for our own children's education and not how well Blacks were doing.
    We didn't run into people who had a chip on their shoulder; we had Black neighbors and tho our house was burgled a couple times, but we never felt unsafe physically.

    OTOH, we moved to a mostly white but ethnically Heinz 57 McMansion development in DC suburbs where we were again burgled; someone shot BBs at our kid's track team; and kids in the neighborhood murdered someone. That neighborhood is, today, heavily Chinese/Asian.

    , @Anonymous
    Yes, getting rid of segregation and dispersing most blacks across the country from the South has meant that the functional ones-the talented tenth and maybe another smaller sector who are not quite to white cognitive and behavioral norms but find a functional place in society anyway-are treated as de facto whites, more or less, and the remainder of blacks are a dysfunctional mass who exist in blackity-black-black-blackland.

    At the opposite end of the talented tenth are really two groups, one profoundly stupid yet mostly passive, one ranging from moderately stupid to sometimes fairly smart and rarely really smart, who are the gangbangers, habitual violent criminals, etc. Dealing effectively with the latter would reduce black dysfunctionality costs substantially. I don't think that's possible with the restrictions placed on the system by liberal thought today-imprisonment doesn't work to change their behavior.
    , @Hoxworth
    Talented blacks who comprise leadership simply act like whites. Not since the WASPs abdicated have white or black leaders cared for their communities. Much like they copied whites sitting on porches, blacks copy whites in looking out instead of in.
  24. @Dave Pinsen
    What's the link to the video of her speaking?

    On the actual WaPo article Steve links up in the post.

  25. @Feryl
    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not "conform" to "being white". Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    Counterpoint:

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    That was disturbing. Completely feral, with the distinction that wild animals attack other animals for reasons. This was solely to be vicious and cruel.
    , @Ed
    I don’t think the “STEM” descriptor is anything more than a marketing gimmick. I doubt the school is terribly selective. Looking at MD’s report card of the school only <1% were deemed proficient in math.

    https://msp2018.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/DetailsIndex/1/M/1/30/0130
    , @Alden
    Note the school uniforms. One of the many attempts to civilize the savages by emulating private schools. Is this the Accelerated African Math Tech Medicine and Science Magnet Academy?
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    And this video, boys and girls, explains why you want to study hard, get onto a good career track (university or trade) so you can earn enough money to raise a family somewhere far away from these savages.

    And if you can't afford to live far away from the savages, then live within your means so your wife can stay home and homeschool the kids.

    I'm sure Tiny Duck would agree (if he was being honest).
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    This is horrible! From what I have read, Blacks like to attack in packs. The idea of a fair fight is a White idea.
    , @DRA
    Are we sure he wasn't being "rolled" into a gang? Sort of an initiation... He is walking away after all.
  26. @Polynikes
    All races, including blacks, do better with discipline. Only certain races have the foresight to implement it.

    If one race uniformly attempts to impose discipline on another race, then that specific implementation ipso facto, is considered to be racist.

    And discipline, or attempting to use self-control regarding one’s inner behaviors is tantamount to imposing a white supremacist mindset on persons of color, as that’s an attempt at coercing POC’s to act white and not permitting them to keep it real.

  27. @Johnny789
    Mainly because the southern shoreline of Lake Erie heads north just east of Downtown Cleveland. The westerly winds pick up moisture off of the lake and dumps it as snow in the Winter once it hits the land of the east side and it's suburbs.

    Same thing on the Lake Michigan shoreline beginning at the eastern city limits of Gary IN and then proceeding along the shoreline east to Michigan City IN and then north into Michigan

  28. Re: Partial collapse of a hotel under construction in New Orleans

    What is happening? Americans can no longer construct buildings
    or bridges that don’t collapse or planes that don’t crash. And let’s
    not even get started on trains. Most countries mastered train travel
    50-100 years ago. These things just don’t happen in Europe.
    In my opinion what’s responsible for it is the contempt for working
    with your hands. Engineers get no respect in this country.
    In fact, anyone who does hard dangerous outdoor work is treated
    with disdain. That wasn’t always the case. I recall how back in the
    ‘60s and ‘70s tool-and-die makers and machinists made excellent
    money, and being able to fix your car was a test of your masculinity.
    Nowadays “big talkers” (starting with lawyers, and people of that ilk)
    have taken over, and “big doers” are consigned to obscurity.

    With New York needing to spend trillions of dollars to bring its
    subway system and the power grid up to 21st century standards,
    does the city even have great engineering (real engineering, not software
    engineering) schools anymore?

    • Replies: @Alden
    Affirmative action and Hispanic immigration destroyed the construction unions with their training and apprenticeship programs. Most residential construction nowadays is done by illegal Hispanics off the Home Depot parking lot. Real union workers erect the steel framework of high rises, but once that’s up, everything else is done by the illegals.

    The construction industry is as hostile to Whites as government agencies.
    , @Poco
    Check out the the GC. Subcontinental scam artist.
  29. Oh, Podl is definitely Jewish.

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/cjn-exclusive-shaker-s-podl-tells-her-story/article_31df0f3a-680c-11e9-82cb-af609f49dac2.html

    This is not funny. It was a definite ordeal. She strikes me as the kind of uber-teacher who was very popular with her peers and most students, except the ones nodding off in class.

    Also, she’s very much a part of the community. Her three kids went to Shaker Heights High.

    This is an outrage.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    A public school teacher, who sends its own kids to:

    • public schools, is receiving a fringe benefit equivalent to around $20,000 per year, per kid.

    • private schools, is receiving the equivalent of a voucher.

    Think about it.
  30. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    That was disturbing. Completely feral, with the distinction that wild animals attack other animals for reasons. This was solely to be vicious and cruel.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    If you think that’s bad...

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1182922090938355713?s=21
  31. @Anonymous
    Blacks on average just do not have "the necessities".

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.

  32. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl
    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not "conform" to "being white". Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

    Our kids started school in Shaker Hts in the early ’80s.
    We were encouraged to move to a “magnet school” by our employer, one of Cleveland’s big law firms. We called the neighborhood a Lawyer’s ghetto: associates from several law firms settled there — it was a short walk to the Rapid, rail line straight into downtown. A local magazine even had a front page cartoon of grey-suited briefcase-toting lawyers marching along the sidewalks to the Rapid. They might have had a wind-up on their backs, or should have had.

    Efforts were made to attract whites to neighborhoods that had recently undergone red-lining and block-busting. The magnet school enticements included enriched Kindergarten and French classes. One of our kids was “identified as gifted.” I don’t remember how that ID was made; I’ve begun to suspect is was a sham to create body count for a program. (Although — the kid IS really bright).

    Don’t know about today, but in the mid-80s the effort to integrate involved only a few schools in the Black neighborhoods — Shaker Hts had a number of carefully defined neighborhoods identified by the name of their elementary school — ours and several contiguous neighborhood were middle-class and had the majority of the Blacks in Shaker. (iirc, they were on the Red Line Rapid; the Blue Line served the wealthier neighborhoods. They met at Shaker Square (where Paul Newman’s family had a sports eep. shop), then into town on the same tracks), There was a strongly Jewish neighborhood – very few if any Blacks — and several very wealthy neighborhoods that were also home to Jewish families but not many Blacks at all. To the best of my knowledge and in that time-frame, neither the Jewish neighborhood nor the very wealthy neighborhood elementary schools had the same programs to integrate Blacks as did the middle-class schools.

    Ironically, our kids had top-notch Black female teachers — some of the best teaching professionals they’d had.

    We rubbed shoulders with a lot of very talented professionals in that Lawyers Ghetto. Our friends and the parents of our kids’ friends are, today, heads of international corporations, law firms, political leaders of the highest rank. I can remember our children’s Burmese friends, Jewish friends, and the children of professionals, mentioned above, but I do not recall any Black kids in their classes or among their playmates.

    It may be that in the 1980s the goal was far different from today’s BLM agenda — or maybe I was just not tuned into what was really going on, a distinct possibility. It is certainly the case that our concerns were for our own children’s education and not how well Blacks were doing.
    We didn’t run into people who had a chip on their shoulder; we had Black neighbors and tho our house was burgled a couple times, but we never felt unsafe physically.

    OTOH, we moved to a mostly white but ethnically Heinz 57 McMansion development in DC suburbs where we were again burgled; someone shot BBs at our kid’s track team; and kids in the neighborhood murdered someone. That neighborhood is, today, heavily Chinese/Asian.

  33. @William Badwhite
    That was disturbing. Completely feral, with the distinction that wild animals attack other animals for reasons. This was solely to be vicious and cruel.

    If you think that’s bad…

  34. @Dave Pinsen
    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission. Did this start with Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift? In any case, it happened at the Dems’ LGBTQ town hall this week too.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1182527649677221888?s=21

    What about that other burly black transwoman? Her name was Shea. She got mad because the lady reporter called her “Shay.” It was pronounced,we learned, “She-ah.”
    Best to steer clear of those freaks.

  35. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    1. It sounds like Olivia M. may have just squeaked into the AP English class at the lowest qualifying level. This could be dubbed Wax’s Law, after Amy Wax. “If there are just a few black students in an academically rigorous class, they are probably in the bottom 10 percent.”

    2. Maybe Olivia M. should be asking her fellow black students, not a packed auditorium, why they are not in AP classes.

    I think that Richard Sander’s Mismatch theory applies all down the line, not just in law school. You do best in an environment where you are not at the bottom of the heap in ability.

    I watched a YouTube video in a series by a piano and musicology professor at a small college. He had a video on how to prepare for auditions for music schools. A commenter asked for advice on how to prepare for the major schools like Julliard. The professor is from such a school himself, but he ignored the question, giving instead an extended “Mismatch” answer: He said to aim to be at the 70 percent level of the school you go to. If you are near the bottom you will be ignored and will not receive attention or solos in recitals. If you are at the very top you will not be challenged. If you are at 70 percent you will get attention and be challenged. (He also said to not specialize in Chopin/Liszt, nor in atonal 20th century music, the former because the market is saturated, the latter because nobody wants to listen to it. Find something to set you apart but still be appealing to average fans … plus be able to teach entry level music classes.)

    Also, I’ve noticed in the few detailed LSAT data dumps from law schools (for instance, a major Texas law school reveals theirs) that law schools tend to have extremely closely packed students, looking at the test scores, with a very small standard deviation, when the affirmative action guys are ignored. I don’t know if it is the result of a specific policy or just the natural sorting of competitive schools, but all the students are at the same level.

    So the best results for Olivia M. and other blacks may come from segregated schools, or from integrated schools where the classes themselves are strictly tracked. The former is a political hot potato, and the latter is also, in addition to being discouraging to black students in the same school with white students. Practical, not deliberate, segregation, as with a lot of New York charter schools, is the best thing at the moment for black kids.

  36. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It’s the same as mediocre white people who claim to be really smart but “don’t test well.” A similar claim is being so smart that school wasn’t enough of a challenge to even warrant trying to get good grades.

    The difference is that we let white people have whatever lame excuses they need to cope with mediocrity, but we spend billions of dollars and man hours trying to solve the issue of black kids who claim a paralyzing fear of “acting white.”

    • Replies: @Anon

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.
     
    Who thinks being smart is a white thing, anyway? Anybody who has watched a movie or TV in the last 20 years knows that all scientists and tech geniuses are black. Being a triple doctorate, computer-hacking heart surgeon is about the most stereotypically black thing you can do.
    , @Not true
    You confuse academic performance and life outcome with brainpower. Although intelligence and conscientiousness are interrelated to a significant degree, they are two different things, and being smart doesn't mean by default you'll be hard-working.

    Aside from the fact that some people do overestimate their intelligence and are prone to seeking excuses for their failures, there are a number of factors that can hamper the academic performance of otherwise smart kids, such as tumultuous family environment, social awkwardness, lack of meticulousness as a character trait, gaming addiction etc.

    The standard IQ test is the most accurate indicator of intelligence, but scoring high at it won't guarantee success. And since we're always looking at averages, whether explicitly or implicitly, you'll always find people who deviate from them to a significant degree.
  37. @Dave Pinsen
    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission. Did this start with Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift? In any case, it happened at the Dems’ LGBTQ town hall this week too.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1182527649677221888?s=21

    What about that other burly black transwoman? Her name was Shea. She got mad because the lady reporter called her “Shay.” It was pronounced,we learned, “She-ah.”
    Best to steer clear of those freaks.

  38. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.
     
    It's the same as mediocre white people who claim to be really smart but "don't test well." A similar claim is being so smart that school wasn't enough of a challenge to even warrant trying to get good grades.

    The difference is that we let white people have whatever lame excuses they need to cope with mediocrity, but we spend billions of dollars and man hours trying to solve the issue of black kids who claim a paralyzing fear of "acting white."

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    Who thinks being smart is a white thing, anyway? Anybody who has watched a movie or TV in the last 20 years knows that all scientists and tech geniuses are black. Being a triple doctorate, computer-hacking heart surgeon is about the most stereotypically black thing you can do.

  39. 68 percent of white 11th-graders were enrolled in at least one AP or IB course

    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?

    (I’m assuming that AP stands for “Advanced Placement” and not, say, “Audience Participation“: it would have to be the latter for kiddies below the top decile to be accepted [not that a kid at the top decile is ‘advanced‘]).

    The IB has been dumbed down so that Americans can do it, but I’m told it’s still beyond the reach of the bottom 8 deciles.

    Are there ‘AP’ courses in bullshit subjects nowadays? Creative Writing, say?

    68% says “Yep”, because the statistics show that median kiddie in the US system is barely capable of parsing a simple sentence or adding integers.

    When I was a kiddie, less than 20% of kiddies would do ‘advanced’ anything: everything happened through ‘streaming’. The top 10 or so percent of the kiddies went to the ‘A’ stream after 10th grade – they (we) did Pure and Applied Mathematics, a language (usually French or German), English, Physics and Chemistry. It says a lot that History and Geography were both ‘Stream B’ core subjects – Stream ‘A’ students who were interested were expected to expand their knowledge on their own time (many did). Stream B did ‘veggie maths‘ (intro stats; no calculus; no linear algebra; no ‘statics and kinematics’; fuck-all geometry).

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    “AP” is what used to be called “High School”
    “High School” is what used to be called “Special Ed”
    , @Wilkey

    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?
     
    Can't get to the original article, but if the stat is referring to students in Shaker Heights it isn't that surprising. Shaker Heights is a fairly upscale town. Look at the list of famous people from Shaker Heights and it's a pretty impressive list for such a small town - lots of names you'd probably recognize. 93% of its residents work in white collar occupations and 37% have graduate degrees, while another 25% have a bachelor's degree.

    Combine that with the fact that in a town like Shaker Heights white fertility is probably eugenic rather than dysgenic - where the smarter, better educated whites probably have more kids than the less responsible, less educated ones - and you easily arrive at a town where 68% of white kids could be in an AP class. In schools with a large number of black students enrolling in AP classes also serves to get you away from disruptive black students.
    , @Jack D
    There are several things going on:

    1. A few years ago when Newsweek was still around, they decided that they would rank high schools because ranking colleges has been a great business move for US News & World Report. But they put some leftist idiot in charge who had no idea how to actually rank HS's so he decided the best (or easiest) way to rank them was by the number of AP courses that you offered. He used Magic Dirt / Wizard of Oz reasoning - what is the difference between really elite schools and ghetto schools? Really elite schools offer a lot of AP courses while ghetto schools don't. So if you offer AP courses in your ghetto school it will be really elite. (How well the students scored on the AP tests was not weighed). So the best way to game your ranking is to offer lots of AP courses. Ironically, really elite schools (private prep schools) are moving away from AP courses because the curriculum is too rigid and their teachers would rather teach interesting (sometimes more advanced) material rather than just running a year long AP prep course.

    2. When I went to high school in a semi-rural/ blue collar part of central NJ (Springsteen territory), the high school was tracked and only maybe 30 kids out of a class of 500 were in the 1st (prep for 4 year college) track. Even so, maybe 1/2 of those kids went to Rutgers or other NJ state schools and maybe a dozen attended private colleges and maybe 3 or 4 went to Ivies or other top 20 schools. But in a modern prosperous suburb filled with the kids of professionals, a substantial chunk of the class is going to attend (or at least try to get into) an elite university and they are all going to take AP classes.

    3. In a mixed race HS, AP classes are a way of having classes for white people (and a few of the more promising blacks) in the same building as classes for blacks. The races attend the same school but don't take the same courses. Otherwise it would be impossible. Rich suburban white kids and their parents would not put up with the shenanigans and violence that go on in majority black classrooms and of course it's impossible to teach at a college prep level. In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) and the teacher just hopes and prays that they won't be disruptive - just sitting in the back of the class and looking at your phone and dozing is usually good enough so this kid was shocked and offended when the white teacher tried to hold her to white people standards. You can see how well the white teacher was rewarded for this and you can imagine that the other white teachers will draw the correct lesson.

  40. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Poverty is not just a condition; it’s an attitude. The poor are like crabs in a bucket. When one tries to climb out, the other crabs drag it back down.

    It never occurs to upper-middle class whites that poor blacks don’t like upper-middle class white values. Having to take school seriously and study? Working a job and showing up on time for it? Calling the cops on criminal neighbors? Being polite to strangers? Poor blacks despise all that.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    > Poor blacks despise all that.<

    Civilization takes work of all kinds. Stereotypes exist for a reason.
  41. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    I don’t think the “STEM” descriptor is anything more than a marketing gimmick. I doubt the school is terribly selective. Looking at MD’s report card of the school only <1% were deemed proficient in math.

    https://msp2018.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/DetailsIndex/1/M/1/30/0130

  42. @Anon
    Poverty is not just a condition; it's an attitude. The poor are like crabs in a bucket. When one tries to climb out, the other crabs drag it back down.

    It never occurs to upper-middle class whites that poor blacks don't like upper-middle class white values. Having to take school seriously and study? Working a job and showing up on time for it? Calling the cops on criminal neighbors? Being polite to strangers? Poor blacks despise all that.

    > Poor blacks despise all that.<

    Civilization takes work of all kinds. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

  43. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl
    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not "conform" to "being white". Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

    Yes, getting rid of segregation and dispersing most blacks across the country from the South has meant that the functional ones-the talented tenth and maybe another smaller sector who are not quite to white cognitive and behavioral norms but find a functional place in society anyway-are treated as de facto whites, more or less, and the remainder of blacks are a dysfunctional mass who exist in blackity-black-black-blackland.

    At the opposite end of the talented tenth are really two groups, one profoundly stupid yet mostly passive, one ranging from moderately stupid to sometimes fairly smart and rarely really smart, who are the gangbangers, habitual violent criminals, etc. Dealing effectively with the latter would reduce black dysfunctionality costs substantially. I don’t think that’s possible with the restrictions placed on the system by liberal thought today-imprisonment doesn’t work to change their behavior.

  44. Over 50 years, Shaker Heights has steadily lost population, to where it’s currently got fewer residents than it had at the 1950 Census. There was a population spike during the 60s and since 1970 it has lost population every census or other noncensus year they counted population.

    That is the real story Wapo leaves out: The year voluntary bussing began, so did the exodus. And it never stopped.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Ssssssh! You're not supposed to say that!
  45. That’s the story for Shaker Heights.

    But what about Bikini Bottom?

    A University of Washington professor thinks SpongeBob is violent and racist.

    Holly M. Barker has penned a piece titled, “Unsettling SpongeBob and the Legacies of Violence on Bikini Bottom.”

    Barker’s abstract asserts that SpongeBob has colonized Bikini Bottom — the underwater home to the lovable characters — and claims the cartoon is “whitewashing” the “violent American military activities” against natives on Pacific islands, specifically the Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands, used by the U.S. military for nuclear testing:

    “SpongeBob’s presence on Bikini Bottom continues the violent and racist expulsion of Indigenous peoples from their lands (and in this case their cosmos) that enables U.S. hegemonic powers to extend their military and colonial interests in the postwar era,” she wrote.

    Barker even rips the theme song, saying it denounces Bikini Bottom as full of “nautical nonsense.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/spongebob-squarepants-is-a-violent-racist-colonizer-college-professor-says

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    After being called gay for many years, SpongeBob is now violent and racist?
  46. @Reg Cæsar

    Olivia. M. [who is black]
     
    Olivia is quite the fashionable name among white parents these days, so this helps.

    Jody Podl [who is white]
     
    What a fantastic name! But do we really need to be told someone with such a Central European surname is white? I suppise, especially in Shaker Heights, that some Podl boy could have-- what's the flip side of "coalburning"? "Ice delivery"?

    Less likely is that this is her maiden name. Would the Podls do that to a child? According to this news story, when she was placed on administrative leave, it rhymes with toddle, not yodel, but still... (And don't miss the Hendrix poster.)


    https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/11/02/shaker-heights-schools-mum-personnel-matters-involving-principal-teacher-placed-leave/


    Interestingly, although names ending in -dl are common in the mountains where German, Czech, and Slovak are spoken, the only Podls I can find are Viennese Jews.


    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/shaker-teacher-jody-podl-s-grievance-sustained-arbitrator-decides/article_73bc9e32-660d-11e9-8514-c7cee10bbfd7.html


    Jody Podl = Odd j'lopy.


    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kizP1INiExU/T2ixvZw5zEI/AAAAAAAABWw/dCKwPJvTfWQ/s640/1950_0520.jpg

    We lived on the top floor of a house owned by a family named Podlasinski for a time when I was a kid. They changed their name to “Podlin” for a while but went back because everyone assumed they were Jewish then.

  47. Chapel Hill and Carrboro feature perhaps the best public school system in the state of NC. Almost everyone in the area lives exclusively off salaries from UNC-Chapel Hill, which enjoys state funding, federal funding, and research grants.

    Like many college towns, it has a lot of self-selection bias: professors, researchers, and undergrads that never left send their kids to those public schools. The resident blacks that have lived statically in town for four or five generations also end up more highly educated than the average black living in a place like Winston-Salem, but they still lag behind the daughter of the newly arrived Chinese Biochem professor or the son of the nice white lady psychologist with a practice in town.

    High achievers themselves, they don’t brook mediocrity in the schools their kids attend. No so-called POC will stand in the way of that.

    Now…if they could only not insist on policy diametrically opposed to their own actions…

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    Chapel Hill and Carrboro feature perhaps the best public school system in the state of NC.

    It’s almost as though those not totally sucky, public schools are reserved for government party members.
  48. @Kratoklastes

    68 percent of white 11th-graders were enrolled in at least one AP or IB course
     
    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?

    (I'm assuming that AP stands for "Advanced Placement" and not, say, "Audience Participation": it would have to be the latter for kiddies below the top decile to be accepted [not that a kid at the top decile is 'advanced']).

    The IB has been dumbed down so that Americans can do it, but I'm told it's still beyond the reach of the bottom 8 deciles.

    Are there 'AP' courses in bullshit subjects nowadays? Creative Writing, say?

    68% says "Yep", because the statistics show that median kiddie in the US system is barely capable of parsing a simple sentence or adding integers.

    When I was a kiddie, less than 20% of kiddies would do 'advanced' anything: everything happened through 'streaming'. The top 10 or so percent of the kiddies went to the 'A' stream after 10th grade - they (we) did Pure and Applied Mathematics, a language (usually French or German), English, Physics and Chemistry. It says a lot that History and Geography were both 'Stream B' core subjects - Stream 'A' students who were interested were expected to expand their knowledge on their own time (many did). Stream B did 'veggie maths' (intro stats; no calculus; no linear algebra; no 'statics and kinematics'; fuck-all geometry).

    “AP” is what used to be called “High School”
    “High School” is what used to be called “Special Ed”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “AP” is what used to be called “High School”
     
    You misspelled "BA".
  49. It’s painful to read this, because the explanation is obvious but saying it out loud will make you a pariah in that environment, so nobody will say it, and probably most people kind of fuzzily know or suspect what the likely explanation is but don’t want to think too hard about it and certainly don’t want to discuss it anywhere they might somehow be quoted.

    • Agree: Duke84
    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    saying it out loud will make you a pariah in that environment
     
    That is called a _clue_ that it is time to get out of dodge.....no point in risking social status points talking to stupid idiots.
  50. @The Practical Conservative
    Over 50 years, Shaker Heights has steadily lost population, to where it's currently got fewer residents than it had at the 1950 Census. There was a population spike during the 60s and since 1970 it has lost population every census or other noncensus year they counted population.

    That is the real story Wapo leaves out: The year voluntary bussing began, so did the exodus. And it never stopped.

    Ssssssh! You’re not supposed to say that!

  51. @An
    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.

    1000x this. That girl just locked in her free ivy education and postgrad $200k diversity sinecure.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    It's not 200k and there's a lot of other people fighting for that supposedly common-as-dirt sinecure. That's why identity politics has gotten more and more toxic and rancorous-- turns out there isn't that much money in it and most of what is there still goes to white-enough people rather than "minorities".
    , @Realist

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.
     
    Yes, for this and a plethora of other reasons, our country is on the shit slide to hell.
    , @Pericles
    Why not put Olivia in a special Ivy League Fast Track program and, upon completion, spam applications to every IL admissions? Meanwhile, she can continue to find her education on her phone.
  52. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    “The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.”

    White guys confronting a black girl, who was being fearless, and confronting systemic, inter-sectional racism.

    Yeah, that would play well in the Media.

    Doing nothing is the only option with the least chance of negative consequences.
    Anything that they do, would be a red card foul. Don’t play the game.

    A teacher told a student to pay attention in class and to get going on her project.

    Back before CRA, and current year correctness, the teacher would have doing their role, and the student would have needed to buckle down and do their role.

  53. @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    That never occurred to me. I think you’re right.

  54. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    Note the school uniforms. One of the many attempts to civilize the savages by emulating private schools. Is this the Accelerated African Math Tech Medicine and Science Magnet Academy?

  55. @Ano
    Hey, sounds like a nice school.
    Normally when I read a story about a black girl using her phone in class it's her video of some other black girl beating up on a nice white lady teacher.
    Maybe progress is being made after all.

    My advice to Shaker Heights is, just as with Head Start, just keep pouring in lots and lots of money and even more money on top of that money, and one day, some day, over the rainbow, wish upon a star...the Gap will be closed. But if not, don't worry...

    ...on a long enough timeline the survival rate for anybody being around to see the Gap closed drops to zero.

    “…..…on a long enough timeline the survival rate for anybody being around to see the Gap closed drops to zero……”

    Chisel that one in stone. A worthy child of Plahaniuk’s original.

  56. @Anon 2
    Re: Partial collapse of a hotel under construction in New Orleans

    What is happening? Americans can no longer construct buildings
    or bridges that don’t collapse or planes that don’t crash. And let’s
    not even get started on trains. Most countries mastered train travel
    50-100 years ago. These things just don’t happen in Europe.
    In my opinion what’s responsible for it is the contempt for working
    with your hands. Engineers get no respect in this country.
    In fact, anyone who does hard dangerous outdoor work is treated
    with disdain. That wasn’t always the case. I recall how back in the
    ‘60s and ‘70s tool-and-die makers and machinists made excellent
    money, and being able to fix your car was a test of your masculinity.
    Nowadays “big talkers” (starting with lawyers, and people of that ilk)
    have taken over, and “big doers” are consigned to obscurity.

    With New York needing to spend trillions of dollars to bring its
    subway system and the power grid up to 21st century standards,
    does the city even have great engineering (real engineering, not software
    engineering) schools anymore?

    Affirmative action and Hispanic immigration destroyed the construction unions with their training and apprenticeship programs. Most residential construction nowadays is done by illegal Hispanics off the Home Depot parking lot. Real union workers erect the steel framework of high rises, but once that’s up, everything else is done by the illegals.

    The construction industry is as hostile to Whites as government agencies.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Technology has decreased the need for skilled labor. Anyone can fire a nail gun. Drywall is much easier to put up than wet plaster. Floors come prefinished. Asphalt shingles are much easier to work with than slate. PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches. Installing the old knob & tube wiring required a lot of skill to do it safely but anyone can run Romex. Flex duct is much easier to run than sheet metal. Etc.
  57. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    This is not a reply to CAL2. Supposed to be a new comment.

    I have a vague memory of a 16mm film of a study of high school teenagers in Shaker Heights, back in the late fifties or early sixties. Don’t recall what it is was about. Maybe sex or drugs, why else would anyone do a study of well to do white suburban kids.

    Maybe it was a driver training film. I remember “the” Ohio State Highway Patrol producing traffic safety films with gory accidents. I lived in Minnesota, not “the” Ohio State.

    Just remember “Shaker Heights”. Tried DuckDuckGo, no results for any research study.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I remember those driver training films. Some of them were racist by modern standards. One that I remember involved two blacks driving on a wet and curvy nighttime road and the passenger was pleading with the driver in black dialect, "Leroy, you is drivin' too fast. Slow down Leroy, Ima beggin' you ...", etc. Then a few seconds later, you hear the passenger let out a horrifying black person scream and next you see his horribly mutilated corpse. In those pre-airbag, no seatbelt (by then cars had seatbelts even though most people didn't use them but some of these driver's ed movies must have been a decade old and from pre-seatbelt days), no crash safety standard days a car crash could leave you looking like the headless horseman.
  58. That story sent cold shivers down my spine, as I’m sure it did for most high school teachers–which is why her colleagues were so pissed off. I’ve had that conversation probably 15 times a semester, occasionally with black kids. If that’s bullying, we’re all in deep shit.

    But the operative issue here, the one that got her suspended, is the racial balance, not the behavior. There seems to be much more taut racial politics in areas with larger black populations, and they are fraught. It’s scary. You hear about kids texting their mom when the teacher yells at them and next thing you know the teacher is suspended.

    There are relatively few blacks in my area. I actually think back sadly to the time when there was a much higher percentage of blacks here. Until I think about teaching in that environment.
    I have a home in the Southeast that I will be retiring to, but occasionally I think about getting a job to teach for a couple years–and then I remember the racial balance and well, maybe not.

    The thing is, I *want* to help black kids succeed. I just don’t want to lose my career doing it.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    This is just the logical conclusion of the ideology most teachers buy into. Why are you surprised by it?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Great comment.
    , @Desiderius
    It all comes down to the admin. I taught in an all-Black school and the parents actually wanted more discipline but the nice whites weren’t having it so the kids ran the joint.
  59. I see Olivia going to Yale a couple years from now, yelling at a white professor, and becoming a Youtube star just like the Halloween costume girl that unloaded on Nicholas Christakis.

  60. Jody Podl is Jewish, so is the new superintendant, so are a lot of the PTA parents, and this whole brouhaha is nothing if not a new act in the drama that began in the Brooklyn public schools in 1968.
    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you’ve fallen woefully short of unz.com’s standards.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    Dear IG:

    Those are all very good points.

    And yes, it's "Shaker" - spelled with an "n."

    BTW could somebody please tell Woody that if somebody gets hold of a nuclear bomb they should use it on NYC given its election (twice!) of an antiwhite communist mayor? Of course, as was the case with the second World Trade Center bombing, we MOTs would be given enough of an advance warning to safely evacuate.

    OK - so I'm not a comedian - and one shouldn't feed the fantasies of antisemitic nutjobs.

    Your Humble President of the American Federation of Dead White Teachers,
    Al

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "To all the antisemites here"

    There are no antisemites here. There are no antisemites in America. There is no such thing as antisemitism in America. It is about as real as "systemic structural racism."

    Until you understand this, (or more accurately, until you stop refusing to understand this), you won't understand anything about the landscape, at all.
    , @res

    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you’ve fallen woefully short of unz.com’s standards.
     
    Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

    At some point even non-anti-semites start wondering exactly who is doing the instigating.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    There are no "anti-semites" - there are contra-semites. We don't hate Jews, but are making accurate critical observations.

    Jews can dish it out but can't take it.
  61. @Moses

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.
     
    1000x this. That girl just locked in her free ivy education and postgrad $200k diversity sinecure.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.

    It’s not 200k and there’s a lot of other people fighting for that supposedly common-as-dirt sinecure. That’s why identity politics has gotten more and more toxic and rancorous– turns out there isn’t that much money in it and most of what is there still goes to white-enough people rather than “minorities”.

    • Replies: @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    It’s not 200k...there isn’t that much money in it...

     

    Apparently you haven't familiarized yourself with current affairs at nearby State U. where scores of black employees with annual salaries in that range and beyond have fancy titles but serve as no more than window dressing contributing nothing in the best case scenario as opposed to the downside where their agitation in furtherance of the JEW-LIE narrative only serves to make a toxic environment more so and therefore less conducive to true learning and learning truth.

    Notice there are no Farrakhan-like speakers of truth about JEW TREACHERY among those highly compensated Affirmative Action Award Winners.
  62. @Olorin
    How many of the "whites" in question are in fact Fellow Whites?

    My time in Ohio and the Bay Area/Silicon Valley taught me the Shaker Heights, like Beachwood, Solon, Cleveland Heights, and University Heights, were highly disproportionally jewish from the 1970s on, in the sense of policymaking and wealth.

    In the '80s through '00s I met a surprising lot of social science Ph.D. jews from Shaker and University Heights everywhere in tech, often business starter uppers with tons of family money, including tribal VC. They always seemed to walk away quite easily from failed startups to new enterprises with nary an interruption of their lifestyles.

    So that seems an important element of any discussion of demographics in that locality...

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/122655-jewish-neighborhoods.html

    ...which we'd likely not get from the author, Shaker Heights native and Bernie supporter/TDS sufferer

    http://laurameckler.pressfolios.com/

    Her photo there is pretty old.

    http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2017/04/disgusting-wsj-reporter-laura-meckler.html

    Some of you may recall her "drunken Obama sock puppet incident" of circa 2012. Probably the funniest thing Buzzfeed ever reported. The name of the Buzzfeed reporter was Michael Hastings.

    “They always seemed to walk away quite easily from failed startups to new enterprises with nary an interruption of their lifestyles.”
    This is normally how it turns out. I’ve personally known a lot of people like this since my career was in tech. The smart ones never put their own money on the line, and always ensure that a fair amount of the venture money ends up in their pockets as wages and bonuses during the life of the enterprise. If the company lasts long enough for the stock options to be vested, and the market price goes above the strike price they exercise and sell immediately. By sticking to these rules there are therefore only two possible outcomes to the enterprise, both good:
    1. The venture takes off and succeeds, in which case the entrepreneurs make an enormous pile of money.
    2. The venture crashes and burns, the entrepreneurs don’t make an enormous pile of money but made a nice living while it was running, and parachute out to try it again with a new company.

  63. The shock when you find out that the “getting” in “getting an education” involves serious work.

    “I need answers,” Olivia said after escaping her seat, jumping onstage and taking the microphone out of the principal’s hand. She had ignored her mom’s admonition to keep quiet and, unable to suppress her rising anger, outed herself as the student at the center of a swirling controversy.

    “It’s my education,” she said. “My education.”

    “HOW DARE YOU!”

    What if trying isn’t enough?

    Then it’s time to give up.

  64. Wordsworth & Ogbu sounds somehow like Bonnie & Clyde – at least in my ironically tuned ears on this glaring Sunday morning.

  65. @International Jew
    Jody Podl is Jewish, so is the new superintendant, so are a lot of the PTA parents, and this whole brouhaha is nothing if not a new act in the drama that began in the Brooklyn public schools in 1968.
    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you've fallen woefully short of unz.com's standards.

    Dear IG:

    Those are all very good points.

    And yes, it’s “Shaker” – spelled with an “n.”

    BTW could somebody please tell Woody that if somebody gets hold of a nuclear bomb they should use it on NYC given its election (twice!) of an antiwhite communist mayor? Of course, as was the case with the second World Trade Center bombing, we MOTs would be given enough of an advance warning to safely evacuate.

    OK – so I’m not a comedian – and one shouldn’t feed the fantasies of antisemitic nutjobs.

    Your Humble President of the American Federation of Dead White Teachers,
    Al

    • Replies: @reactionry
    oops - misspelled "IJ" - was a math - not English - teacher in East Harlem

    - AS
  66. @reactionry
    Dear IG:

    Those are all very good points.

    And yes, it's "Shaker" - spelled with an "n."

    BTW could somebody please tell Woody that if somebody gets hold of a nuclear bomb they should use it on NYC given its election (twice!) of an antiwhite communist mayor? Of course, as was the case with the second World Trade Center bombing, we MOTs would be given enough of an advance warning to safely evacuate.

    OK - so I'm not a comedian - and one shouldn't feed the fantasies of antisemitic nutjobs.

    Your Humble President of the American Federation of Dead White Teachers,
    Al

    oops – misspelled “IJ” – was a math – not English – teacher in East Harlem

    – AS

  67. @International Jew
    Jody Podl is Jewish, so is the new superintendant, so are a lot of the PTA parents, and this whole brouhaha is nothing if not a new act in the drama that began in the Brooklyn public schools in 1968.
    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you've fallen woefully short of unz.com's standards.

    “To all the antisemites here”

    There are no antisemites here. There are no antisemites in America. There is no such thing as antisemitism in America. It is about as real as “systemic structural racism.”

    Until you understand this, (or more accurately, until you stop refusing to understand this), you won’t understand anything about the landscape, at all.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    There are no antisemites here.
     
    You gotta be kiddin' me. There aren't that many (open) anti-Semites in America but there are a number of regular commenters here who make no secret of their antisemitism - they proclaim it loud and proud. They would be insulted if you failed to call them antisemites.
  68. @guest
    "What if trying isn't enough?"

    We could try not trying, because race difference is a thing and it's foolhardy to do whatever it is we're trying to do. Mandating equality or whatever.

    But since we're civilizationally deranged, that doesn't occur as an option. In which case I wonder what could possibly be the alternative to trying. For what do they wish? Race to literally be tackled? Miscegenation or genetic engineering? I dunno.

    Mandating equality or whatever

    I know things must be getting bad because when I first read “mandating” I though it was some new craziness along the lines of “mansplaining”.

    • LOL: ben tillman
  69. how is it that mr. darrell issa, who is now running to represent the 50th of CA afer a hiatus, never said anything about black rioting while he lived in Cleveland (Cleveland Heights) in the 1960s? And now there is this notice in the media that Cleveland has not solved anything.. solved what problem exactly?
    If Darrell said there was no problem, the there WAS NO PROBLEM… right?? Or is Darrell, oh, a liar?

  70. darrell issa clearly state that there were no race problems in the 1960s when he lived in cleveland.
    So this story by the washington post is entirely wrong.
    Darrell is running for the 50th of CA, please vote Darrell!…

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/01/24/dont-look-back-ryan-lizza

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    darrell issa clearly state that there were no race problems in the 1960s when he lived in cleveland.
     
    Issa is Arabic for Jesus. Just sayin'.
  71. @Reg Cæsar

    Olivia. M. [who is black]
     
    Olivia is quite the fashionable name among white parents these days, so this helps.

    Jody Podl [who is white]
     
    What a fantastic name! But do we really need to be told someone with such a Central European surname is white? I suppise, especially in Shaker Heights, that some Podl boy could have-- what's the flip side of "coalburning"? "Ice delivery"?

    Less likely is that this is her maiden name. Would the Podls do that to a child? According to this news story, when she was placed on administrative leave, it rhymes with toddle, not yodel, but still... (And don't miss the Hendrix poster.)


    https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/11/02/shaker-heights-schools-mum-personnel-matters-involving-principal-teacher-placed-leave/


    Interestingly, although names ending in -dl are common in the mountains where German, Czech, and Slovak are spoken, the only Podls I can find are Viennese Jews.


    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/shaker-teacher-jody-podl-s-grievance-sustained-arbitrator-decides/article_73bc9e32-660d-11e9-8514-c7cee10bbfd7.html


    Jody Podl = Odd j'lopy.


    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kizP1INiExU/T2ixvZw5zEI/AAAAAAAABWw/dCKwPJvTfWQ/s640/1950_0520.jpg

    Dear Reg Kaiser:

    As usual – wie gewöhnlich – your comments are “verrry interesting”* and with respect to “dl” endings of names, are consistent with respect to my birthplace of Bavaria. On the other hand, “Jodl” does rhyme with “yodel.”

    While it’s true that I was antisemitic, as was said by the retired rabbi in the movie “Independence Day,” – “Nobody’s perfect.” Also, my Nuremberg conviction was, in a teachable moment of reconciliation, reversed in 1953.

    Still Loyal To My Eternal Germany,
    Your Generaloberst,
    Al,
    Hell

    * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424527/bio

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    On the other hand, “Jodl” does rhyme with “yodel.”
     
    Not in Ohio.

    And it's "Podl". Jodl would be an identity, not a rhyme, in prosodical terms.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Well, your conviction may have been reversed in 1953, but by that time you had already been dead for seven years.

    Not much consolation there, I'd have thought.
  72. Estragon: Nothing to be done.

    Vladimir: I’m beginning to come round to that opinion.

  73. @An
    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.

    I doubt it. Why admit her over some studious Igbo girl who’s been raised by a leopard mother?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    for the same reason they admitted David Hogg? To virtue signal and use their institutional power to push their favored cultural narratives?
  74. @Whiskey
    White people it's as simple as this. Know your place. It's last. Before every Black person a White person must be and grovel. That's the rules. Whites need to know their place.

    If course, how well that lasts is another thing.

    If course, how well that lasts is another thing

    It will last as long as Whites allow it.

  75. @Moses

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.
     
    1000x this. That girl just locked in her free ivy education and postgrad $200k diversity sinecure.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.

    Yes, for this and a plethora of other reasons, our country is on the shit slide to hell.

  76. @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    That kind of behavior has been understood since millenia. Just read Aesop’s fable ‘The fox and the grapes’.

  77. @Ano
    Hey, sounds like a nice school.
    Normally when I read a story about a black girl using her phone in class it's her video of some other black girl beating up on a nice white lady teacher.
    Maybe progress is being made after all.

    My advice to Shaker Heights is, just as with Head Start, just keep pouring in lots and lots of money and even more money on top of that money, and one day, some day, over the rainbow, wish upon a star...the Gap will be closed. But if not, don't worry...

    ...on a long enough timeline the survival rate for anybody being around to see the Gap closed drops to zero.

    These nice Ohioans must not be spending enough money on education. Why won’t they think of their children?

  78. @Olorin
    How many of the "whites" in question are in fact Fellow Whites?

    My time in Ohio and the Bay Area/Silicon Valley taught me the Shaker Heights, like Beachwood, Solon, Cleveland Heights, and University Heights, were highly disproportionally jewish from the 1970s on, in the sense of policymaking and wealth.

    In the '80s through '00s I met a surprising lot of social science Ph.D. jews from Shaker and University Heights everywhere in tech, often business starter uppers with tons of family money, including tribal VC. They always seemed to walk away quite easily from failed startups to new enterprises with nary an interruption of their lifestyles.

    So that seems an important element of any discussion of demographics in that locality...

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/122655-jewish-neighborhoods.html

    ...which we'd likely not get from the author, Shaker Heights native and Bernie supporter/TDS sufferer

    http://laurameckler.pressfolios.com/

    Her photo there is pretty old.

    http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2017/04/disgusting-wsj-reporter-laura-meckler.html

    Some of you may recall her "drunken Obama sock puppet incident" of circa 2012. Probably the funniest thing Buzzfeed ever reported. The name of the Buzzfeed reporter was Michael Hastings.

    You beat me to it–Shaker Hts. is historically an affluent close-in suburb on the East side of Cleveland. Up until 60 years ago, it was almost totally white, then kneegroids started seeping, then flooding, in.

    However, as mentioned, many if not most of the “whites” in Shaker Heights, then and now, are of the beanie-wearing/lox-eating type

    • Replies: @Alden
    Typical wealthy Jewish neighborhood. They can’t soil their hands with doing dishes or washing the car so they bring in the black help and the help’s children destroy the town.

    That’s what happened in Chicago. It was a well planned town. West side factories lower middle and working class. North side middle class mostly Irish and German. South side the very wealthy heavily Jewish. I’ve seen it 2 acres and 20 room late 19th century splendid. mansions The black help destroyed the south side starting in the 1940s.

    San Francisco the black help for heavily Jewish Pacific Heights Presidio Heights and Marina settled in Fillmore Divisadero. Soon the children of the black help grew up and destroyed Fillmore.

    Jews and blacks work together. Whether Chicago jews like Pritzkers Sidley Austin putting Obama in the White House or importing black help 100 years ago or Jew Esther Brown being plaintiff in Brown vs Topeka school destruction case. Jews and blacks work together.
  79. @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    I’ve come to suspect that ‘ don’t act like a white kid ‘ means something different in the Korean – American community than in the African – American community.

  80. @Dave Pinsen
    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission. Did this start with Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift? In any case, it happened at the Dems’ LGBTQ town hall this week too.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1182527649677221888?s=21

    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission.

    Yo yo yo, dat be raciss, she shouda been rapping and twerking to put her point across to whitey.

  81. One hidden entry was exposed by Malcolm Gladwell.
    https://blog.simonsays.ai/miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment-revisionist-history-podcast-transcript-b4c65731f73c
    http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/13-miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment

    [Brown v. Board of Education] “I mean, just go back and read it, it’s supposed to be a ruling in favor of Oliver and Leola Brown and the families of Topeka, but the court actually says something entirely different from what the Black people of Topeka were saying.”

    Basically they had great all black schools that gave really good educations to black children. Separate but it was equal. With segregation ended, they fired the black teachers and closed the black schools.

    An extended quote, but read or listen to the whole thing:

    The court goes on, “Segregation with the sanction of law has a tendency to retard the educational and mental development of Negro children.” This was light years away from Leola Brown’s position. Leola Brown said that Black run schools like Monroe were good schools, but as a matter principle, she ought to be able to enroll Linda at Sumner. The court said, “Actually, Monroe is not a good school at all. It can’t be a good school because segregation makes it inherently inferior.” Leola Brown said, “We’re fine, we just want some control over our lives.” The court said, “You’re not fine at all. Your educational and mental development has been retarded by your inferior schooling.”

    Now, the court could have said something much more straight forward. How about this? “Schools are where people make the connections that allow them to get ahead in the world. You cannot lock Black people out of the place where social power and opportunity reside.” That argument would have done the job, right? But the court doesn’t say that. In order to condemn the discrimination of Brown’s face, the court instead makes the case that Black people are psychologically crippled.

    The historian Darrell Scott wrote a brilliant book a while back, called Contempt and Pity, in which he points out that there’s been a long history behind this talk of psychological damage. It goes back to the days of slavery. It’s always been incredibly useful for White people to explain the problems of Black people as the result of something personal, internal. It makes their problems their fault.

  82. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    They should at least have pulled out their phones.

    • LOL: Kylie
  83. @Dave Pinsen
    I doubt it. Why admit her over some studious Igbo girl who’s been raised by a leopard mother?

    for the same reason they admitted David Hogg? To virtue signal and use their institutional power to push their favored cultural narratives?

  84. @Moses

    Grabbing the mike and making a scene is her way to success. That girl just got her admittance to harvard.
     
    1000x this. That girl just locked in her free ivy education and postgrad $200k diversity sinecure.

    Our society rewards fostering of racial division by nonWhites.

    Why not put Olivia in a special Ivy League Fast Track program and, upon completion, spam applications to every IL admissions? Meanwhile, she can continue to find her education on her phone.

  85. @Anonymous
    Blacks on average just do not have "the necessities".

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.

    I appreciate your reference to Al Campanis, one of the first race realists to be called out and fired for his views. (I’m sure there were earlier examples, but this one sticks in my mind.)

    Campanis’ remarks took place on the late-night ABC News program Nightline, on April 6, 1987, during the run-up to the 40th anniversary of Jackie Robinson’s Major League Baseball debut (April 15, 1947). Campanis, who had played alongside Robinson and was known for being close to him, was being interviewed about the subject. Nightline anchorman Ted Koppel asked him why, at the time, there had been few black managers and no black general managers in Major League Baseball. Campanis’ reply was that blacks “may not have some of the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager” for these positions. Elsewhere in the interview, he said that blacks are often poor swimmers “because they don’t have the buoyancy.” Koppel says he gave Campanis several opportunities to clarify, (“Do you really believe that?”) or back down from his remarks, but Campanis confirmed his views with his replies. Koppel also pointed out that much of what Campanis was saying “sounds a lot like the garbage we heard 40 years ago.” Campanis was fired less than 48 hours later.

  86. @reactionry
    Dear Reg Kaiser:

    As usual - wie gewöhnlich - your comments are "verrry interesting"* and with respect to "dl" endings of names, are consistent with respect to my birthplace of Bavaria. On the other hand, "Jodl" does rhyme with "yodel."

    While it's true that I was antisemitic, as was said by the retired rabbi in the movie "Independence Day," - "Nobody's perfect." Also, my Nuremberg conviction was, in a teachable moment of reconciliation, reversed in 1953.

    Still Loyal To My Eternal Germany,
    Your Generaloberst,
    Al,
    Hell

    * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424527/bio

    On the other hand, “Jodl” does rhyme with “yodel.”

    Not in Ohio.

    And it’s “Podl”. Jodl would be an identity, not a rhyme, in prosodical terms.

  87. @jeffbeck9
    darrell issa clearly state that there were no race problems in the 1960s when he lived in cleveland.
    So this story by the washington post is entirely wrong.
    Darrell is running for the 50th of CA, please vote Darrell!...


    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/01/24/dont-look-back-ryan-lizza

    darrell issa clearly state that there were no race problems in the 1960s when he lived in cleveland.

    Issa is Arabic for Jesus. Just sayin’.

  88. @Ibound1
    “AP” is what used to be called “High School”
    “High School” is what used to be called “Special Ed”

    “AP” is what used to be called “High School”

    You misspelled “BA”.

  89. “I need answers,” Olivia said after escaping her seat, jumping onstage and taking the microphone out of the principal’s hand. She had ignored her mom’s admonition to keep quiet and, unable to suppress her rising anger, outed herself as the student at the center of a swirling controversy.

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why this pupil is having problems.

  90. @NOTA
    It’s painful to read this, because the explanation is obvious but saying it out loud will make you a pariah in that environment, so nobody will say it, and probably most people kind of fuzzily know or suspect what the likely explanation is but don’t want to think too hard about it and certainly don’t want to discuss it anywhere they might somehow be quoted.

    saying it out loud will make you a pariah in that environment

    That is called a _clue_ that it is time to get out of dodge…..no point in risking social status points talking to stupid idiots.

  91. @Anonymous
    Blacks on average just do not have "the necessities".

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.

    Blacks on average just do not have “the necessities”.

    There, I said it.

  92. “ And Podl, a 1983 Shaker graduate, thought of herself as an ally to black students. She helped bring Facing History and Ourselves, a professional development program about racism and prejudice, to Shaker High. She added Bryan Stevenson’s book “Just Mercy” to her curriculum.”

    In other words, Jewish racial troublemaker suffers blowback from precisely what she’s been agitating for her whole career. Cry me a river.

    • Agree: JMcG, Jack Henson
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The most dangerous people in the world are those who see it as their duty to improve it.
  93. holding blacks to the same standards as whites = racist! It’s your fault they failed! You bullied them!
    holding blacks to lower standards and letting them slack off = racist! It’s your fault they failed! You made them not believe in themselves!

    At least this is happening to teachers who mostly voted for this stupidity + free government gibsmedat.

  94. @Reg Cæsar

    Olivia. M. [who is black]
     
    Olivia is quite the fashionable name among white parents these days, so this helps.

    Jody Podl [who is white]
     
    What a fantastic name! But do we really need to be told someone with such a Central European surname is white? I suppise, especially in Shaker Heights, that some Podl boy could have-- what's the flip side of "coalburning"? "Ice delivery"?

    Less likely is that this is her maiden name. Would the Podls do that to a child? According to this news story, when she was placed on administrative leave, it rhymes with toddle, not yodel, but still... (And don't miss the Hendrix poster.)


    https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/11/02/shaker-heights-schools-mum-personnel-matters-involving-principal-teacher-placed-leave/


    Interestingly, although names ending in -dl are common in the mountains where German, Czech, and Slovak are spoken, the only Podls I can find are Viennese Jews.


    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/shaker-teacher-jody-podl-s-grievance-sustained-arbitrator-decides/article_73bc9e32-660d-11e9-8514-c7cee10bbfd7.html


    Jody Podl = Odd j'lopy.


    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kizP1INiExU/T2ixvZw5zEI/AAAAAAAABWw/dCKwPJvTfWQ/s640/1950_0520.jpg

    Jody Podl [who is white]

    What a fantastic name!

    That’s a very kind take, Reg.

    The name reminded me, visually and sonically, of a pair of rock hard, tiny turds at the bottom of a toilet.

    If it’s her maiden name her parents should be slapped. Think how much lovelier the world would be if she was called Marianne instead.

    (And while I’m here, thanks for for all the great anagrams!)

    Joe Sweet:

    Ewe so jet
    Jet so wee

  95. @Anon7
    That’s the story for Shaker Heights.

    But what about Bikini Bottom?

    A University of Washington professor thinks SpongeBob is violent and racist.

    Holly M. Barker has penned a piece titled, “Unsettling SpongeBob and the Legacies of Violence on Bikini Bottom.”

    Barker’s abstract asserts that SpongeBob has colonized Bikini Bottom — the underwater home to the lovable characters — and claims the cartoon is “whitewashing” the “violent American military activities” against natives on Pacific islands, specifically the Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands, used by the U.S. military for nuclear testing:

    “SpongeBob’s presence on Bikini Bottom continues the violent and racist expulsion of Indigenous peoples from their lands (and in this case their cosmos) that enables U.S. hegemonic powers to extend their military and colonial interests in the postwar era,” she wrote.

    Barker even rips the theme song, saying it denounces Bikini Bottom as full of “nautical nonsense.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/spongebob-squarepants-is-a-violent-racist-colonizer-college-professor-says

     

    After being called gay for many years, SpongeBob is now violent and racist?

  96. @Kratoklastes

    68 percent of white 11th-graders were enrolled in at least one AP or IB course
     
    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?

    (I'm assuming that AP stands for "Advanced Placement" and not, say, "Audience Participation": it would have to be the latter for kiddies below the top decile to be accepted [not that a kid at the top decile is 'advanced']).

    The IB has been dumbed down so that Americans can do it, but I'm told it's still beyond the reach of the bottom 8 deciles.

    Are there 'AP' courses in bullshit subjects nowadays? Creative Writing, say?

    68% says "Yep", because the statistics show that median kiddie in the US system is barely capable of parsing a simple sentence or adding integers.

    When I was a kiddie, less than 20% of kiddies would do 'advanced' anything: everything happened through 'streaming'. The top 10 or so percent of the kiddies went to the 'A' stream after 10th grade - they (we) did Pure and Applied Mathematics, a language (usually French or German), English, Physics and Chemistry. It says a lot that History and Geography were both 'Stream B' core subjects - Stream 'A' students who were interested were expected to expand their knowledge on their own time (many did). Stream B did 'veggie maths' (intro stats; no calculus; no linear algebra; no 'statics and kinematics'; fuck-all geometry).

    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?

    Can’t get to the original article, but if the stat is referring to students in Shaker Heights it isn’t that surprising. Shaker Heights is a fairly upscale town. Look at the list of famous people from Shaker Heights and it’s a pretty impressive list for such a small town – lots of names you’d probably recognize. 93% of its residents work in white collar occupations and 37% have graduate degrees, while another 25% have a bachelor’s degree.

    Combine that with the fact that in a town like Shaker Heights white fertility is probably eugenic rather than dysgenic – where the smarter, better educated whites probably have more kids than the less responsible, less educated ones – and you easily arrive at a town where 68% of white kids could be in an AP class. In schools with a large number of black students enrolling in AP classes also serves to get you away from disruptive black students.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Racial distribution follows proximity to Cleveland city limits and which side of VanAken / Rapid tracks
    Did the article public statistics on where Blacks live/go to school?

    Shaker has one middle school and one high school, so it would be informative to know which elementary schools send the most AP students.

    Housing values in districts closest to Cleveland are in the pits -- < $100,000 for what appears to be very nice working-class family homes.


    The elegant houses in the fine neighborhoods -- where those professionals live -- are still in the $million and up category.

    https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/MapList?ExcludeRentals=true&IsSoldSearch=false&IsPublicRecordSearch=false&location=Shaker+Heights%2C+OH
  97. @Kratoklastes

    68 percent of white 11th-graders were enrolled in at least one AP or IB course
     
    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?

    (I'm assuming that AP stands for "Advanced Placement" and not, say, "Audience Participation": it would have to be the latter for kiddies below the top decile to be accepted [not that a kid at the top decile is 'advanced']).

    The IB has been dumbed down so that Americans can do it, but I'm told it's still beyond the reach of the bottom 8 deciles.

    Are there 'AP' courses in bullshit subjects nowadays? Creative Writing, say?

    68% says "Yep", because the statistics show that median kiddie in the US system is barely capable of parsing a simple sentence or adding integers.

    When I was a kiddie, less than 20% of kiddies would do 'advanced' anything: everything happened through 'streaming'. The top 10 or so percent of the kiddies went to the 'A' stream after 10th grade - they (we) did Pure and Applied Mathematics, a language (usually French or German), English, Physics and Chemistry. It says a lot that History and Geography were both 'Stream B' core subjects - Stream 'A' students who were interested were expected to expand their knowledge on their own time (many did). Stream B did 'veggie maths' (intro stats; no calculus; no linear algebra; no 'statics and kinematics'; fuck-all geometry).

    There are several things going on:

    1. A few years ago when Newsweek was still around, they decided that they would rank high schools because ranking colleges has been a great business move for US News & World Report. But they put some leftist idiot in charge who had no idea how to actually rank HS’s so he decided the best (or easiest) way to rank them was by the number of AP courses that you offered. He used Magic Dirt / Wizard of Oz reasoning – what is the difference between really elite schools and ghetto schools? Really elite schools offer a lot of AP courses while ghetto schools don’t. So if you offer AP courses in your ghetto school it will be really elite. (How well the students scored on the AP tests was not weighed). So the best way to game your ranking is to offer lots of AP courses. Ironically, really elite schools (private prep schools) are moving away from AP courses because the curriculum is too rigid and their teachers would rather teach interesting (sometimes more advanced) material rather than just running a year long AP prep course.

    2. When I went to high school in a semi-rural/ blue collar part of central NJ (Springsteen territory), the high school was tracked and only maybe 30 kids out of a class of 500 were in the 1st (prep for 4 year college) track. Even so, maybe 1/2 of those kids went to Rutgers or other NJ state schools and maybe a dozen attended private colleges and maybe 3 or 4 went to Ivies or other top 20 schools. But in a modern prosperous suburb filled with the kids of professionals, a substantial chunk of the class is going to attend (or at least try to get into) an elite university and they are all going to take AP classes.

    3. In a mixed race HS, AP classes are a way of having classes for white people (and a few of the more promising blacks) in the same building as classes for blacks. The races attend the same school but don’t take the same courses. Otherwise it would be impossible. Rich suburban white kids and their parents would not put up with the shenanigans and violence that go on in majority black classrooms and of course it’s impossible to teach at a college prep level. In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) and the teacher just hopes and prays that they won’t be disruptive – just sitting in the back of the class and looking at your phone and dozing is usually good enough so this kid was shocked and offended when the white teacher tried to hold her to white people standards. You can see how well the white teacher was rewarded for this and you can imagine that the other white teachers will draw the correct lesson.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Ed
    Somewhat related but this reminds me of a documentary I watched last year about diversity issues at a suburban Chicago high school.

    One white boy was featured. He was athletic and when he was younger played on teams where he was one of the few whites. Everything went on fine until he got to high school. He began noticing his black teammates show boating more, becoming argumentative. They became antagonistic towards him. Slowly he began to pull away from them much to the chagrin of his liberal teacher parents. The documentary skirted around it but the boy clearly was not fond of blacks much. One thing I think the rabid diversity proponents never considered is that familiarity often does breed contempt.
    , @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) ...
     
    Would greatly appreciate any thoughts/opinions/insights you might be willing to share as to the white mama dynamic you mention which I've never seen raised or heard discussed before.

    Because your words I've quoted before the white mama reference make sense consistent with my experience, you have credibility so I would like to learn your thoughts on this topic.

    I guess because the vast majority of mixed black/white children/people I've known are of white mother I've always assumed that is the strong majority across the mixed race population. Facts contradicting my assumption would be informative.

    I've always considered the white mama dynamic to be a major problem for the children and society in general because she typically has attitude problems of rebelliousness which motivated her sex partner choice complicated by the extremely high likelihood she will be abandoned by the black male shortly after his predatory use of her exhausts his interest in her.

    But your phraseology seems to hint that among the population of mixed black/white school children you see those with white mothers outperforming those with black mothers by your inclusion of white mama in your parenthetical describing the higher performing blacks.

    Or are you saying what I've always assumed to be true, that as a rule mixed black children are usually of white mothers?
  98. I live on a leafy all-white mostly conservative street with a lot of young children. The formerly Catholic high school at one end of the street was bought out and renovated last year by the city of Cincinnati public schools and now houses a primarily black public high school to go with the primarily black elementary school at the other end of the street. Both impeccably maintained.

    We’ve assumed we’ll need to privately school our two-year-old twins. Three weeks ago a John James-looking Black vet accompanied by a Nick Sandman-looking high schooler came to our door asking for our vote for the school board. Yesterday the principal of the new high school came to our door with two of his star students to invite us to an Open House. Very professional and well put together all three. Much more Kayne than Tennessee Coates, but mostly Horatio Alger.

    Something is up among American blacks.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think it's possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It's said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same - all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs - locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don't have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren't going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.
    , @Alden
    Black high school since just last year???? Move as soon as possible.
  99. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    The sad thing is the White guys sitting doing nothing throughout the Western world.

    • Agree: Abe
  100. @education realist
    That story sent cold shivers down my spine, as I'm sure it did for most high school teachers--which is why her colleagues were so pissed off. I've had that conversation probably 15 times a semester, occasionally with black kids. If that's bullying, we're all in deep shit.

    But the operative issue here, the one that got her suspended, is the racial balance, not the behavior. There seems to be much more taut racial politics in areas with larger black populations, and they are fraught. It's scary. You hear about kids texting their mom when the teacher yells at them and next thing you know the teacher is suspended.

    There are relatively few blacks in my area. I actually think back sadly to the time when there was a much higher percentage of blacks here. Until I think about teaching in that environment.
    I have a home in the Southeast that I will be retiring to, but occasionally I think about getting a job to teach for a couple years--and then I remember the racial balance and well, maybe not.

    The thing is, I *want* to help black kids succeed. I just don't want to lose my career doing it.

    This is just the logical conclusion of the ideology most teachers buy into. Why are you surprised by it?

  101. @Laurence Whelk
    I've come to suspect that "not acting white" is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.

    It's not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is "acting white"; instead they saying doing well in school is "acting white" to cover for performing poorly.

    It’s not that blacks, as a group, perform poorly because they falsely subscribe to the idea that studying is “acting white”; instead they saying doing well in school is “acting white” to cover for performing poorly.

    I believe that’s largely correct. Although (as I have witnessed myself), there are individual Blacks who do have academic potential, and find themselves pressured to avoid conforming to perceived White norms. That’s undoubtedly a much smaller problem, but it does also exist.

  102. But the story of Shaker Heights shows how moving kids of different races into the same building isn’t the same as producing equal outcomes.

    And why would it be good to produce “equal outcomes”?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    And why would it be good to produce “equal outcomes”?
     
    = utopia = heaven on earth. Looks as if you would not believe in these things - .

    (sigh. I don't either)
    , @Jack D
    "Equal outcomes" in principle are good, especially if it is equality in high achievement, not low. Don't we all want to be like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average? (Keillor has been completely unpersoned but not for pointing this out). If the Gap disappeared on its own tomorrow, no one would miss it, not even "racists". ESPECIALLY not "racists".


    The problem is not the GOAL of equal outcomes but the means by which it is produced. If we could all sleep comfortably in Procrustes's bed without resort to surgery then no one would have anything against him, but we know that's impossible. So "equal outcomes" are achieved (if they are achieved at all) only by various Procrustean methods. It is those means and methods that are used that are bad, not the goal itself. But since the goal is probably impossible to achieve by any ethical method, unethical methods are all that are left.
  103. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    And this video, boys and girls, explains why you want to study hard, get onto a good career track (university or trade) so you can earn enough money to raise a family somewhere far away from these savages.

    And if you can’t afford to live far away from the savages, then live within your means so your wife can stay home and homeschool the kids.

    I’m sure Tiny Duck would agree (if he was being honest).

  104. The teacher had admonished and embarrassed Olivia. Olivia’s mom fired off a three-page complaint, suggesting racism and charging bullying. The district put the teacher on leave to investigate.

    There is nothing (nothing) that motivates a young person to study hard in school as having a parent like Olivia’s who is willing to make excuses for her laziness.

    Olivia’s mother loved her so much that she wrote a 3-page letter (I’d love to proofread it) charging her teacher with racism AND bullying (not just one or the other but both).

    And think of the example it set for the rest of the teachers and all of the students when the teacher was put on leave.

    I hope it was at least paid leave.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Yeah I bet that letter would be a fun read. 3 pages of ranting, indignation, entitlement, bizarre claims, and "oh no you di-ints".

    Parents siding with the teacher/school instead of their kid is one sign of people that are interested in education. Blacks' enormous self-esteem has them convinced that nothing they do is wrong, so it stands to reason that if the teacher is correcting the child, then the teacher is in the wrong.

    I remember being the 4th or 5th grade and trying to explain to my father why I was right and the teacher was wrong about something or the other. His response was "I don't care. Do what she tells you".
    , @James N. Kennett

    There is nothing (nothing) that motivates a young person to study hard in school as having a parent like Olivia’s who is willing to make excuses for her laziness.
     
    There are two kinds of parents. When a child is punished at school, the first kind of parent writes an indignant letter to the school - or turns up in person to intimidate the teacher. The second kind of parent believes the punishment was justified, and might even punish the child again.

    There is no doubt at all which kind of parent has the higher-achieving children.
  105. @International Jew
    Jody Podl is Jewish, so is the new superintendant, so are a lot of the PTA parents, and this whole brouhaha is nothing if not a new act in the drama that began in the Brooklyn public schools in 1968.
    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you've fallen woefully short of unz.com's standards.

    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you’ve fallen woefully short of unz.com’s standards.

    Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

    At some point even non-anti-semites start wondering exactly who is doing the instigating.

  106. @Jack D
    There are several things going on:

    1. A few years ago when Newsweek was still around, they decided that they would rank high schools because ranking colleges has been a great business move for US News & World Report. But they put some leftist idiot in charge who had no idea how to actually rank HS's so he decided the best (or easiest) way to rank them was by the number of AP courses that you offered. He used Magic Dirt / Wizard of Oz reasoning - what is the difference between really elite schools and ghetto schools? Really elite schools offer a lot of AP courses while ghetto schools don't. So if you offer AP courses in your ghetto school it will be really elite. (How well the students scored on the AP tests was not weighed). So the best way to game your ranking is to offer lots of AP courses. Ironically, really elite schools (private prep schools) are moving away from AP courses because the curriculum is too rigid and their teachers would rather teach interesting (sometimes more advanced) material rather than just running a year long AP prep course.

    2. When I went to high school in a semi-rural/ blue collar part of central NJ (Springsteen territory), the high school was tracked and only maybe 30 kids out of a class of 500 were in the 1st (prep for 4 year college) track. Even so, maybe 1/2 of those kids went to Rutgers or other NJ state schools and maybe a dozen attended private colleges and maybe 3 or 4 went to Ivies or other top 20 schools. But in a modern prosperous suburb filled with the kids of professionals, a substantial chunk of the class is going to attend (or at least try to get into) an elite university and they are all going to take AP classes.

    3. In a mixed race HS, AP classes are a way of having classes for white people (and a few of the more promising blacks) in the same building as classes for blacks. The races attend the same school but don't take the same courses. Otherwise it would be impossible. Rich suburban white kids and their parents would not put up with the shenanigans and violence that go on in majority black classrooms and of course it's impossible to teach at a college prep level. In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) and the teacher just hopes and prays that they won't be disruptive - just sitting in the back of the class and looking at your phone and dozing is usually good enough so this kid was shocked and offended when the white teacher tried to hold her to white people standards. You can see how well the white teacher was rewarded for this and you can imagine that the other white teachers will draw the correct lesson.

    Somewhat related but this reminds me of a documentary I watched last year about diversity issues at a suburban Chicago high school.

    One white boy was featured. He was athletic and when he was younger played on teams where he was one of the few whites. Everything went on fine until he got to high school. He began noticing his black teammates show boating more, becoming argumentative. They became antagonistic towards him. Slowly he began to pull away from them much to the chagrin of his liberal teacher parents. The documentary skirted around it but the boy clearly was not fond of blacks much. One thing I think the rabid diversity proponents never considered is that familiarity often does breed contempt.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    The whole idea that proximity will improve people's opinion of blacks (or of anything else) makes no sense, as it assumes people's expectations are systematically biased.

    Think about other areas of life: do you generally find that unfamiliar foods taste better than you supposed they would? Do you generally come out of movies liking them more than you expected before you saw them? Does your opinion about a person (of any race) tend to gradually improve over time?

    As regards blacks, maybe the affection-through-proximity theory would make sense if we lived surrounded by unjustly negative stereotypes about blacks. But today, if anything the opposite is the case.

  107. Kids seem to be sensitive these days. Back when I was in a high school geometry course, a girl was reading a novel during class. The teacher took the book, and he threw it in a trash can. Nobody back then would think of filing a complaint.

  108. Shaker Heights even hired Nigerian-born anthropologist John Ogbu to study this question.

    Ogbu’s work has some problems. For example, he made a big deal out of the Buraku (a Japanese caste that is heavily discriminated against in Japan):

    However, there is a problem with their argument when it is placed into cross-cultural perspective: Differences in group IQ are not necessarily the result of differences in genetic endowment. Consider the case of the Buraku minority in Japan, which has lower IQ test scores and lower school performance than the dominant Ippan group in the Japan, even though the two groups are of the same “race.” On the other hand, as immigrants to the United States, the Buraku minority and the Ippan majority do equally well on standardized tests, and both make good grades in school (DeVos, 1973; Ito, 1968; Y. Nabeshima, personal communication, August 30, 1999; Ogbu, 2001; Ogbu & Stern, 2001; Shimagara, 1991).

    However, as Jason Molloy pointed out, Ogbu has no real evidence for this assertion:

    There is no data for Burakumin in the US. False claims about US IQ data have mutated second-hand from John Ogbu who claimed a study showed that the Baraku immigrants here “do slightly better in school than the other Japanese immigrants”. The book chapter Ogbu references for this claim (Ito 1966) however, is by a pseudonymous author who relied strictly on gossip from non-outcast Japanese communities in California to surmise how the outcasts here might be performing. The author’s informants believed the US outcasts were more attractive, more fair-skinned, and made more money. Though– as a testament to Ogbu’s immaculate scholarship– the author reported no gossip about how these Burakumin performed in school.
    * Ito, H. (1966) Japan’s outcastes in the United States. In G.A. deVos and H. Wagatsuma (eds.), Japan’s Invisible Race. Berkeley: University of California Press.”

    https://unsafeharbour.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/burakumin-and-koreans-in-japan/

  109. @Desiderius
    I live on a leafy all-white mostly conservative street with a lot of young children. The formerly Catholic high school at one end of the street was bought out and renovated last year by the city of Cincinnati public schools and now houses a primarily black public high school to go with the primarily black elementary school at the other end of the street. Both impeccably maintained.

    We’ve assumed we’ll need to privately school our two-year-old twins. Three weeks ago a John James-looking Black vet accompanied by a Nick Sandman-looking high schooler came to our door asking for our vote for the school board. Yesterday the principal of the new high school came to our door with two of his star students to invite us to an Open House. Very professional and well put together all three. Much more Kayne than Tennessee Coates, but mostly Horatio Alger.

    Something is up among American blacks.

    I think it’s possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It’s said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same – all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs – locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don’t have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren’t going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That’s blacks around liberal/deracinated whites. Blacks around confident/patriotic whites is a different story. Certainly historically. I’m saying we may be able to get back to that if we have a common adversary. Woke/deracinated whites and/or dot Indians are looking like a likely candidate.

    Adult wolves aren’t dangerous for the Alpha to be around, especially when the pack is under attack. Quite the contrary.

    , @Anonymous
    Blacks in Jim Crow South did not LIKE manly and virtuous (in the Roman sense, manly, vigourous) whites but they respected them. They’d kick yo’ black ass if you assaulted or seriously disrespected them but they also dealt with you honestly. They knew decent and respectable whites had capacities that they didn’t.

    They hated white trash because they figured a white who behaved no better or worse than blacks was in essence shitting on his gift of whiteness.

    Better whites behaved with a sense of noblesse oblige around blacks generally. Blacks who behaved and worked reasonably hard generally did as well as they do today or better. Many of the talented tenth “emigrated” to the Northeast early on, when elite blacks had what were relatively clean
    and safe communities until regression to the mean set in.

    For better or worse Jim Crow is dead. When the wheels come off this hooptie of an empire and we split up like the USSR, whites would behoove themselves to get the blacks in certain polities and not others. The Corvy’s of the world will want a polity where both whites and blacks can be, which is fine with me. Some blacks will want a black only land and that’s also fine with me. Some whites want a whites only land and we already know that will not be fine with some out there. Those whites need to be ready to make their desires so with time tested and proven methods.
    , @Ed
    This is how it plays out in DC. The white parents will often stick through with public schools through elementary but then balk at sending their kids to public junior high. Also kids are more biddable when they’re younger, still want to please their parents.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A friend used to teach in an all-Black middle school in Akron, Ohio. Most of the students goals' in life were to be gangbangers and welfare mamas. On top of that, they were for the most part stupid. She transferred to an elementary school and taught first- and second-graders because they were still sweet, though she did know of a second-grader who threatened his fellow students with a razor. My friend said that he would be in jail before he was old enough for high school. She said that they could tell in the fourth grade if a kid would turn out badly or not.

    Fourth grade - 9 or 10 years old.
  110. @Alden
    Affirmative action and Hispanic immigration destroyed the construction unions with their training and apprenticeship programs. Most residential construction nowadays is done by illegal Hispanics off the Home Depot parking lot. Real union workers erect the steel framework of high rises, but once that’s up, everything else is done by the illegals.

    The construction industry is as hostile to Whites as government agencies.

    Technology has decreased the need for skilled labor. Anyone can fire a nail gun. Drywall is much easier to put up than wet plaster. Floors come prefinished. Asphalt shingles are much easier to work with than slate. PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches. Installing the old knob & tube wiring required a lot of skill to do it safely but anyone can run Romex. Flex duct is much easier to run than sheet metal. Etc.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "Anyone can fire a nail gun."

    We've never actually met, have we, Jack D?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches."

    I wonder how long PEX tubing and fittings last? They're guaranteed for 25 years but copper with solder fittings are usually good for 100 +- there are houses still with Victorian pipes and taps.
  111. @SaneClownPosse
    This is not a reply to CAL2. Supposed to be a new comment.

    I have a vague memory of a 16mm film of a study of high school teenagers in Shaker Heights, back in the late fifties or early sixties. Don't recall what it is was about. Maybe sex or drugs, why else would anyone do a study of well to do white suburban kids.

    Maybe it was a driver training film. I remember "the" Ohio State Highway Patrol producing traffic safety films with gory accidents. I lived in Minnesota, not "the" Ohio State.

    Just remember "Shaker Heights". Tried DuckDuckGo, no results for any research study.

    I remember those driver training films. Some of them were racist by modern standards. One that I remember involved two blacks driving on a wet and curvy nighttime road and the passenger was pleading with the driver in black dialect, “Leroy, you is drivin’ too fast. Slow down Leroy, Ima beggin’ you …”, etc. Then a few seconds later, you hear the passenger let out a horrifying black person scream and next you see his horribly mutilated corpse. In those pre-airbag, no seatbelt (by then cars had seatbelts even though most people didn’t use them but some of these driver’s ed movies must have been a decade old and from pre-seatbelt days), no crash safety standard days a car crash could leave you looking like the headless horseman.

    • Replies: @Rupert

    I remember those driver training films. Some of them were racist by modern standards. One that I remember involved two blacks driving on a wet and curvy nighttime road and the passenger was pleading with the driver in black dialect, “Leroy, you is drivin’ too fast. Slow down Leroy, Ima beggin’ you …”, etc.
     
    That's amazing. And funny. I wish someone would put one up on YouTube.
  112. @ben tillman

    But the story of Shaker Heights shows how moving kids of different races into the same building isn’t the same as producing equal outcomes.
     
    And why would it be good to produce "equal outcomes"?

    And why would it be good to produce “equal outcomes”?

    = utopia = heaven on earth. Looks as if you would not believe in these things – .

    (sigh. I don’t either)

  113. @Anonymous
    Blacks on average just do not have "the necessities".

    There, I said it.

    It took about two seconds.

    The reference is to the last bit of dialog on film from a very late film star if I am not mistaken.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1988/01/16/jimmy-the-greek-says-blacks-are-bred-for-sports/128a889e-83e2-44a3-b911-851d5281ade4/
  114. @Anon 2
    Re: Partial collapse of a hotel under construction in New Orleans

    What is happening? Americans can no longer construct buildings
    or bridges that don’t collapse or planes that don’t crash. And let’s
    not even get started on trains. Most countries mastered train travel
    50-100 years ago. These things just don’t happen in Europe.
    In my opinion what’s responsible for it is the contempt for working
    with your hands. Engineers get no respect in this country.
    In fact, anyone who does hard dangerous outdoor work is treated
    with disdain. That wasn’t always the case. I recall how back in the
    ‘60s and ‘70s tool-and-die makers and machinists made excellent
    money, and being able to fix your car was a test of your masculinity.
    Nowadays “big talkers” (starting with lawyers, and people of that ilk)
    have taken over, and “big doers” are consigned to obscurity.

    With New York needing to spend trillions of dollars to bring its
    subway system and the power grid up to 21st century standards,
    does the city even have great engineering (real engineering, not software
    engineering) schools anymore?

    Check out the the GC. Subcontinental scam artist.

  115. @reactionry
    Dear Reg Kaiser:

    As usual - wie gewöhnlich - your comments are "verrry interesting"* and with respect to "dl" endings of names, are consistent with respect to my birthplace of Bavaria. On the other hand, "Jodl" does rhyme with "yodel."

    While it's true that I was antisemitic, as was said by the retired rabbi in the movie "Independence Day," - "Nobody's perfect." Also, my Nuremberg conviction was, in a teachable moment of reconciliation, reversed in 1953.

    Still Loyal To My Eternal Germany,
    Your Generaloberst,
    Al,
    Hell

    * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424527/bio

    Well, your conviction may have been reversed in 1953, but by that time you had already been dead for seven years.

    Not much consolation there, I’d have thought.

  116. @Jack D
    I think it's possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It's said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same - all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs - locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don't have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren't going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.

    That’s blacks around liberal/deracinated whites. Blacks around confident/patriotic whites is a different story. Certainly historically. I’m saying we may be able to get back to that if we have a common adversary. Woke/deracinated whites and/or dot Indians are looking like a likely candidate.

    Adult wolves aren’t dangerous for the Alpha to be around, especially when the pack is under attack. Quite the contrary.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Historically whites and blacks in America were educated separately (if blacks were educated at all). In the South by law and in the North by virtue of neighborhood segregation. Sure blacks were better behaved in the Jim Crow South but it had to be achieved by a regime of fear and terror.

    Everyone from Jefferson on understood that most blacks weren't really capable of integrating into white society like other immigrant groups (even disfavored at the time ones like Irish and later Italians and Jews) because of their genetic differences in behavior and intelligence and the best thing would be to send them back to Africa but no one was every able to implement this as a practical matter.
  117. @ben tillman

    But the story of Shaker Heights shows how moving kids of different races into the same building isn’t the same as producing equal outcomes.
     
    And why would it be good to produce "equal outcomes"?

    “Equal outcomes” in principle are good, especially if it is equality in high achievement, not low. Don’t we all want to be like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average? (Keillor has been completely unpersoned but not for pointing this out). If the Gap disappeared on its own tomorrow, no one would miss it, not even “racists”. ESPECIALLY not “racists”.

    The problem is not the GOAL of equal outcomes but the means by which it is produced. If we could all sleep comfortably in Procrustes’s bed without resort to surgery then no one would have anything against him, but we know that’s impossible. So “equal outcomes” are achieved (if they are achieved at all) only by various Procrustean methods. It is those means and methods that are used that are bad, not the goal itself. But since the goal is probably impossible to achieve by any ethical method, unethical methods are all that are left.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    “Equal outcomes” in principle are good[.]
     
    I disagree. What principle says so?
  118. @Jack D
    Technology has decreased the need for skilled labor. Anyone can fire a nail gun. Drywall is much easier to put up than wet plaster. Floors come prefinished. Asphalt shingles are much easier to work with than slate. PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches. Installing the old knob & tube wiring required a lot of skill to do it safely but anyone can run Romex. Flex duct is much easier to run than sheet metal. Etc.

    “Anyone can fire a nail gun.”

    We’ve never actually met, have we, Jack D?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No to my knowledge. Why do you ask?
  119. @Desiderius
    That’s blacks around liberal/deracinated whites. Blacks around confident/patriotic whites is a different story. Certainly historically. I’m saying we may be able to get back to that if we have a common adversary. Woke/deracinated whites and/or dot Indians are looking like a likely candidate.

    Adult wolves aren’t dangerous for the Alpha to be around, especially when the pack is under attack. Quite the contrary.

    Historically whites and blacks in America were educated separately (if blacks were educated at all). In the South by law and in the North by virtue of neighborhood segregation. Sure blacks were better behaved in the Jim Crow South but it had to be achieved by a regime of fear and terror.

    Everyone from Jefferson on understood that most blacks weren’t really capable of integrating into white society like other immigrant groups (even disfavored at the time ones like Irish and later Italians and Jews) because of their genetic differences in behavior and intelligence and the best thing would be to send them back to Africa but no one was every able to implement this as a practical matter.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Actually before WW1, Northern cities weren’t segregated much. Boston public schools were integrated in the 1850s. Northern segregation didn’t get going until WW1 when more rural blacks started moving in.
    , @Desiderius
    Doesn’t matter. Booker T blacks were plenty segregated but still competed with each other on who could act most white.
  120. @Old Palo Altan
    "Anyone can fire a nail gun."

    We've never actually met, have we, Jack D?

    No to my knowledge. Why do you ask?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    If we had met you'd never have written what I reproduce above my question.
  121. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Ignore the racial disparity for a second: in what world are 68% of high school students eligible to enrol for any AP course?
     
    Can't get to the original article, but if the stat is referring to students in Shaker Heights it isn't that surprising. Shaker Heights is a fairly upscale town. Look at the list of famous people from Shaker Heights and it's a pretty impressive list for such a small town - lots of names you'd probably recognize. 93% of its residents work in white collar occupations and 37% have graduate degrees, while another 25% have a bachelor's degree.

    Combine that with the fact that in a town like Shaker Heights white fertility is probably eugenic rather than dysgenic - where the smarter, better educated whites probably have more kids than the less responsible, less educated ones - and you easily arrive at a town where 68% of white kids could be in an AP class. In schools with a large number of black students enrolling in AP classes also serves to get you away from disruptive black students.

    Racial distribution follows proximity to Cleveland city limits and which side of VanAken / Rapid tracks
    Did the article public statistics on where Blacks live/go to school?

    Shaker has one middle school and one high school, so it would be informative to know which elementary schools send the most AP students.

    Housing values in districts closest to Cleveland are in the pits — < $100,000 for what appears to be very nice working-class family homes.

    The elegant houses in the fine neighborhoods — where those professionals live — are still in the $million and up category.

    https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/MapList?ExcludeRentals=true&IsSoldSearch=false&IsPublicRecordSearch=false&location=Shaker+Heights%2C+OH

  122. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    I think it's possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It's said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same - all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs - locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don't have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren't going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.

    Blacks in Jim Crow South did not LIKE manly and virtuous (in the Roman sense, manly, vigourous) whites but they respected them. They’d kick yo’ black ass if you assaulted or seriously disrespected them but they also dealt with you honestly. They knew decent and respectable whites had capacities that they didn’t.

    They hated white trash because they figured a white who behaved no better or worse than blacks was in essence shitting on his gift of whiteness.

    Better whites behaved with a sense of noblesse oblige around blacks generally. Blacks who behaved and worked reasonably hard generally did as well as they do today or better. Many of the talented tenth “emigrated” to the Northeast early on, when elite blacks had what were relatively clean
    and safe communities until regression to the mean set in.

    For better or worse Jim Crow is dead. When the wheels come off this hooptie of an empire and we split up like the USSR, whites would behoove themselves to get the blacks in certain polities and not others. The Corvy’s of the world will want a polity where both whites and blacks can be, which is fine with me. Some blacks will want a black only land and that’s also fine with me. Some whites want a whites only land and we already know that will not be fine with some out there. Those whites need to be ready to make their desires so with time tested and proven methods.

  123. @Jack D
    I think it's possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It's said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same - all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs - locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don't have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren't going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.

    This is how it plays out in DC. The white parents will often stick through with public schools through elementary but then balk at sending their kids to public junior high. Also kids are more biddable when they’re younger, still want to please their parents.

  124. @Jack D
    Historically whites and blacks in America were educated separately (if blacks were educated at all). In the South by law and in the North by virtue of neighborhood segregation. Sure blacks were better behaved in the Jim Crow South but it had to be achieved by a regime of fear and terror.

    Everyone from Jefferson on understood that most blacks weren't really capable of integrating into white society like other immigrant groups (even disfavored at the time ones like Irish and later Italians and Jews) because of their genetic differences in behavior and intelligence and the best thing would be to send them back to Africa but no one was every able to implement this as a practical matter.

    Actually before WW1, Northern cities weren’t segregated much. Boston public schools were integrated in the 1850s. Northern segregation didn’t get going until WW1 when more rural blacks started moving in.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sure. Philly too had a small community of free blacks going back to colonial times. They were more integrated with whites not just in schools but culturally too (for example they had the local accent not a "black" accent, they ate the local dishes, etc.) A lot of these blacks were mixed race and some of them must have crossed the color line and just disappeared into white society.

    The IQ gap never goes away but the real big problems happen where blacks are numerous enough to have their own dysfunctional culture and don't feel compelled to look to whites as role models.
  125. @Jack D
    Technology has decreased the need for skilled labor. Anyone can fire a nail gun. Drywall is much easier to put up than wet plaster. Floors come prefinished. Asphalt shingles are much easier to work with than slate. PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches. Installing the old knob & tube wiring required a lot of skill to do it safely but anyone can run Romex. Flex duct is much easier to run than sheet metal. Etc.

    “PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches.”

    I wonder how long PEX tubing and fittings last? They’re guaranteed for 25 years but copper with solder fittings are usually good for 100 +- there are houses still with Victorian pipes and taps.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The life expectancy of PEX is longer than copper. Copper corrodes and can develop pinhole leaks, especially in areas where the water is naturally acidic.

    https://www.phcppros.com/articles/158-pex-or-copper-which-is-more-sustainable

    I don't think that copper pipe was used that much in the Victorian era. They used threaded galvanized steel pipe (similar to what is still used today for gas) and before that lead. Even if some homes still have Victorian taps (and not many do) the plumbing has probably been redone.
  126. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    This is horrible! From what I have read, Blacks like to attack in packs. The idea of a fair fight is a White idea.

  127. @Ed
    Somewhat related but this reminds me of a documentary I watched last year about diversity issues at a suburban Chicago high school.

    One white boy was featured. He was athletic and when he was younger played on teams where he was one of the few whites. Everything went on fine until he got to high school. He began noticing his black teammates show boating more, becoming argumentative. They became antagonistic towards him. Slowly he began to pull away from them much to the chagrin of his liberal teacher parents. The documentary skirted around it but the boy clearly was not fond of blacks much. One thing I think the rabid diversity proponents never considered is that familiarity often does breed contempt.

    The whole idea that proximity will improve people’s opinion of blacks (or of anything else) makes no sense, as it assumes people’s expectations are systematically biased.

    Think about other areas of life: do you generally find that unfamiliar foods taste better than you supposed they would? Do you generally come out of movies liking them more than you expected before you saw them? Does your opinion about a person (of any race) tend to gradually improve over time?

    As regards blacks, maybe the affection-through-proximity theory would make sense if we lived surrounded by unjustly negative stereotypes about blacks. But today, if anything the opposite is the case.

  128. @Jack D
    I think it's possible to go to elementary school with blacks. The material is not that challenging and little black kids can be quite verbal and even charming. But right about when they hit puberty (middle school) something changes.

    It's said that dogs are sort of like wolf puppies that remain fixated in a juvenile state. When normal wolves hit maturity they lose their playful friendliness and become aggressive and dangerous to be around. (Chimps are the same - all those chimps you used to see on TV doing tricks were juvenile. When they hit adulthood they will just as well bite your face off as do a trick for you. ) White people (and increasingly so) are sort of like dogs - locked into a permanent childlike state. Even white people beauty standards (e.g. blond hair) are based on adults giving off juvenile signals. Blacks are closer to what human were originally like and don't have the weird white people mutation where they continue to give off childlike vibes in adulthood. Once blacks hit puberty they become aggressive and dangerous. Most American blacks are like wolf-dog hybrids because they are partly white. Some wolf-dog hybrids behave like dogs and can be kept as pets. Others are as dangerous as wolves.

    Blacks (especially before puberty) also respond well to a structured setting. So if K-6 blacks go to a well organized and disciplined elementary school with your kids, your kids will probably be fine. But be ready to change schools when you hit middle school. This is also when the curve on the difficulty of the academic material turns upward and blacks aren't going to be able to keep up so the pace in a mixed school is going to be too slow for whites.

    A friend used to teach in an all-Black middle school in Akron, Ohio. Most of the students goals’ in life were to be gangbangers and welfare mamas. On top of that, they were for the most part stupid. She transferred to an elementary school and taught first- and second-graders because they were still sweet, though she did know of a second-grader who threatened his fellow students with a razor. My friend said that he would be in jail before he was old enough for high school. She said that they could tell in the fourth grade if a kid would turn out badly or not.

    Fourth grade – 9 or 10 years old.

  129. @International Jew
    Jody Podl is Jewish, so is the new superintendant, so are a lot of the PTA parents, and this whole brouhaha is nothing if not a new act in the drama that began in the Brooklyn public schools in 1968.
    To all the antisemites here, for missing these basic facts: you've fallen woefully short of unz.com's standards.

    There are no “anti-semites” – there are contra-semites. We don’t hate Jews, but are making accurate critical observations.

    Jews can dish it out but can’t take it.

  130. @Jack D
    Historically whites and blacks in America were educated separately (if blacks were educated at all). In the South by law and in the North by virtue of neighborhood segregation. Sure blacks were better behaved in the Jim Crow South but it had to be achieved by a regime of fear and terror.

    Everyone from Jefferson on understood that most blacks weren't really capable of integrating into white society like other immigrant groups (even disfavored at the time ones like Irish and later Italians and Jews) because of their genetic differences in behavior and intelligence and the best thing would be to send them back to Africa but no one was every able to implement this as a practical matter.

    Doesn’t matter. Booker T blacks were plenty segregated but still competed with each other on who could act most white.

  131. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "To all the antisemites here"

    There are no antisemites here. There are no antisemites in America. There is no such thing as antisemitism in America. It is about as real as "systemic structural racism."

    Until you understand this, (or more accurately, until you stop refusing to understand this), you won't understand anything about the landscape, at all.

    There are no antisemites here.

    You gotta be kiddin’ me. There aren’t that many (open) anti-Semites in America but there are a number of regular commenters here who make no secret of their antisemitism – they proclaim it loud and proud. They would be insulted if you failed to call them antisemites.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
    I hear little ranting against Arabs, Palestinians, Phoenicians, et al, here.

    Jews, sure, a lot of people don't like Jews, but is it because Jews are Semites?

    A lot of people don't like Gypsies either. Some people don't like Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.

    Some people don't like attorneys. Some people don't like cops. I know a lot of guys who hate vintage guitar dealers.

    No matter who you are or what you do, someone is going to not like you for no reason that you are responsible for. You just can not win them all.
    , @Jack Henson
    Using the Mencken definition are we? "an anti-semite is someone who likes Jews exactly as much as they deserve?" or some such?
  132. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    “What if trying isn’t enough?”

    No! Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try.

    Just do it.

    No! Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try.
    Just do it.

    Agree. I for one am so sick of these racist Shaker Whites voting for Obama to cover their structural racisting Shaker Blacks. All their kids need to be whacked on the head until the gap is closed.

    ~~

    Seriously this is just 200 proof minoritarianism. The core value of minoritarianism is that white gentiles are not free people but exist to serve, provide goodies and be punching bag for minorities.

    But like all minoritarianism if confronted directly with a declaration of independence:

    “Fine, let’s separate. You go do your thing, and we’ll take care of ourselves our way.”

    … minoritarianism folds up like the cheap suit it is.

    White people simply need to confront minoritarianism as the thuggish sleazy scam it is and insist on their fundamental rights and freedoms. The right to associate with whom we want, attend school with whom we want, bake cakes for whom we want, live in neighborhoods with whom we want, live in a nation with whom we want and yes … golf with whom we want!

  133. @Ed
    Actually before WW1, Northern cities weren’t segregated much. Boston public schools were integrated in the 1850s. Northern segregation didn’t get going until WW1 when more rural blacks started moving in.

    Sure. Philly too had a small community of free blacks going back to colonial times. They were more integrated with whites not just in schools but culturally too (for example they had the local accent not a “black” accent, they ate the local dishes, etc.) A lot of these blacks were mixed race and some of them must have crossed the color line and just disappeared into white society.

    The IQ gap never goes away but the real big problems happen where blacks are numerous enough to have their own dysfunctional culture and don’t feel compelled to look to whites as role models.

  134. @Steve in Greensboro

    The teacher had admonished and embarrassed Olivia. Olivia’s mom fired off a three-page complaint, suggesting racism and charging bullying. The district put the teacher on leave to investigate.
     
    There is nothing (nothing) that motivates a young person to study hard in school as having a parent like Olivia's who is willing to make excuses for her laziness.

    Olivia's mother loved her so much that she wrote a 3-page letter (I'd love to proofread it) charging her teacher with racism AND bullying (not just one or the other but both).

    And think of the example it set for the rest of the teachers and all of the students when the teacher was put on leave.

    I hope it was at least paid leave.

    Yeah I bet that letter would be a fun read. 3 pages of ranting, indignation, entitlement, bizarre claims, and “oh no you di-ints”.

    Parents siding with the teacher/school instead of their kid is one sign of people that are interested in education. Blacks’ enormous self-esteem has them convinced that nothing they do is wrong, so it stands to reason that if the teacher is correcting the child, then the teacher is in the wrong.

    I remember being the 4th or 5th grade and trying to explain to my father why I was right and the teacher was wrong about something or the other. His response was “I don’t care. Do what she tells you”.

  135. @Jack D
    No to my knowledge. Why do you ask?

    If we had met you’d never have written what I reproduce above my question.

    • Replies: @Rupert
    You had a bad experience with a nail gun? Hope it's all healed now.
  136. Chris Rateno, director of student data systems for the district

    Yet another six-figured, non-teaching, public education bureaucrat.

    Transparent Ohio, a government-run (ie low-balling), sunshine law-inspired website, lists Rateno’s 2018, base salary at ~$101K.

    When benefits are factored in, Rateno’s true, annual tax feeding likely exceeds $130K /yr (and growing).

    • Agree: Dtbb
  137. Does Director Rateno report to the:

    • 2nd Assistant Liason for Fermentation & Typography, or the

    • Deputy Vice Superintendent of Mechanical Compression?

  138. @Dave Pinsen

    When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.
     
    Counterpoint:

    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1182920178993991680?s=20

    Are we sure he wasn’t being “rolled” into a gang? Sort of an initiation… He is walking away after all.

  139. @Jack D
    "Equal outcomes" in principle are good, especially if it is equality in high achievement, not low. Don't we all want to be like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average? (Keillor has been completely unpersoned but not for pointing this out). If the Gap disappeared on its own tomorrow, no one would miss it, not even "racists". ESPECIALLY not "racists".


    The problem is not the GOAL of equal outcomes but the means by which it is produced. If we could all sleep comfortably in Procrustes's bed without resort to surgery then no one would have anything against him, but we know that's impossible. So "equal outcomes" are achieved (if they are achieved at all) only by various Procrustean methods. It is those means and methods that are used that are bad, not the goal itself. But since the goal is probably impossible to achieve by any ethical method, unethical methods are all that are left.

    “Equal outcomes” in principle are good[.]

    I disagree. What principle says so?

  140. @Jane Plain
    Oh, Podl is definitely Jewish.

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/cjn-exclusive-shaker-s-podl-tells-her-story/article_31df0f3a-680c-11e9-82cb-af609f49dac2.html

    This is not funny. It was a definite ordeal. She strikes me as the kind of uber-teacher who was very popular with her peers and most students, except the ones nodding off in class.

    Also, she's very much a part of the community. Her three kids went to Shaker Heights High.

    This is an outrage.

    A public school teacher, who sends its own kids to:

    • public schools, is receiving a fringe benefit equivalent to around $20,000 per year, per kid.

    • private schools, is receiving the equivalent of a voucher.

    Think about it.

  141. @Rohnm
    Chapel Hill and Carrboro feature perhaps the best public school system in the state of NC. Almost everyone in the area lives exclusively off salaries from UNC-Chapel Hill, which enjoys state funding, federal funding, and research grants.

    Like many college towns, it has a lot of self-selection bias: professors, researchers, and undergrads that never left send their kids to those public schools. The resident blacks that have lived statically in town for four or five generations also end up more highly educated than the average black living in a place like Winston-Salem, but they still lag behind the daughter of the newly arrived Chinese Biochem professor or the son of the nice white lady psychologist with a practice in town.

    High achievers themselves, they don't brook mediocrity in the schools their kids attend. No so-called POC will stand in the way of that.

    Now...if they could only not insist on policy diametrically opposed to their own actions...

    Chapel Hill and Carrboro feature perhaps the best public school system in the state of NC.

    It’s almost as though those not totally sucky, public schools are reserved for government party members.

  142. @education realist
    That story sent cold shivers down my spine, as I'm sure it did for most high school teachers--which is why her colleagues were so pissed off. I've had that conversation probably 15 times a semester, occasionally with black kids. If that's bullying, we're all in deep shit.

    But the operative issue here, the one that got her suspended, is the racial balance, not the behavior. There seems to be much more taut racial politics in areas with larger black populations, and they are fraught. It's scary. You hear about kids texting their mom when the teacher yells at them and next thing you know the teacher is suspended.

    There are relatively few blacks in my area. I actually think back sadly to the time when there was a much higher percentage of blacks here. Until I think about teaching in that environment.
    I have a home in the Southeast that I will be retiring to, but occasionally I think about getting a job to teach for a couple years--and then I remember the racial balance and well, maybe not.

    The thing is, I *want* to help black kids succeed. I just don't want to lose my career doing it.

    Great comment.

  143. Just a few miles west, in Oberlin, Ohio.
    The private college has lost a 35 million dollar lawsuit.
    A few college administrators (three at least) defended shoplifting by a minority college student who had been detained outside the ice cream store.
    The race protests even had students requiring that final exams be delayed so they could spend their time protesting.

    Jury ruled that there was no racial discrimination when the store employee confronted the shoplifter outside.
    The college had a very large endowmwnt, so it can pay the fine.

    Now, Oberlin is the city that started the Civil War.
    A major hub for the underground railroad.
    The runaway slaves were thought to have gone to Sandusky to sail north to Ontario across Lake Erie.
    Lo and behold!! Most went to Sheffield Village to homes of german immigrant farmers about 1.5 miles south of the Lake Erie shore. The 3 were adjoining neighbors and all different religions. Only in America.
    They then were sailed north to Ontario

  144. @Steve in Greensboro

    The teacher had admonished and embarrassed Olivia. Olivia’s mom fired off a three-page complaint, suggesting racism and charging bullying. The district put the teacher on leave to investigate.
     
    There is nothing (nothing) that motivates a young person to study hard in school as having a parent like Olivia's who is willing to make excuses for her laziness.

    Olivia's mother loved her so much that she wrote a 3-page letter (I'd love to proofread it) charging her teacher with racism AND bullying (not just one or the other but both).

    And think of the example it set for the rest of the teachers and all of the students when the teacher was put on leave.

    I hope it was at least paid leave.

    There is nothing (nothing) that motivates a young person to study hard in school as having a parent like Olivia’s who is willing to make excuses for her laziness.

    There are two kinds of parents. When a child is punished at school, the first kind of parent writes an indignant letter to the school – or turns up in person to intimidate the teacher. The second kind of parent believes the punishment was justified, and might even punish the child again.

    There is no doubt at all which kind of parent has the higher-achieving children.

  145. @Desiderius
    I live on a leafy all-white mostly conservative street with a lot of young children. The formerly Catholic high school at one end of the street was bought out and renovated last year by the city of Cincinnati public schools and now houses a primarily black public high school to go with the primarily black elementary school at the other end of the street. Both impeccably maintained.

    We’ve assumed we’ll need to privately school our two-year-old twins. Three weeks ago a John James-looking Black vet accompanied by a Nick Sandman-looking high schooler came to our door asking for our vote for the school board. Yesterday the principal of the new high school came to our door with two of his star students to invite us to an Open House. Very professional and well put together all three. Much more Kayne than Tennessee Coates, but mostly Horatio Alger.

    Something is up among American blacks.

    Black high school since just last year???? Move as soon as possible.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Lol. That was the tentative plan, but property values have gone nothing but up.
  146. @AceDeuce
    You beat me to it--Shaker Hts. is historically an affluent close-in suburb on the East side of Cleveland. Up until 60 years ago, it was almost totally white, then kneegroids started seeping, then flooding, in.

    However, as mentioned, many if not most of the "whites" in Shaker Heights, then and now, are of the beanie-wearing/lox-eating type

    Typical wealthy Jewish neighborhood. They can’t soil their hands with doing dishes or washing the car so they bring in the black help and the help’s children destroy the town.

    That’s what happened in Chicago. It was a well planned town. West side factories lower middle and working class. North side middle class mostly Irish and German. South side the very wealthy heavily Jewish. I’ve seen it 2 acres and 20 room late 19th century splendid. mansions The black help destroyed the south side starting in the 1940s.

    San Francisco the black help for heavily Jewish Pacific Heights Presidio Heights and Marina settled in Fillmore Divisadero. Soon the children of the black help grew up and destroyed Fillmore.

    Jews and blacks work together. Whether Chicago jews like Pritzkers Sidley Austin putting Obama in the White House or importing black help 100 years ago or Jew Esther Brown being plaintiff in Brown vs Topeka school destruction case. Jews and blacks work together.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  147. @education realist
    That story sent cold shivers down my spine, as I'm sure it did for most high school teachers--which is why her colleagues were so pissed off. I've had that conversation probably 15 times a semester, occasionally with black kids. If that's bullying, we're all in deep shit.

    But the operative issue here, the one that got her suspended, is the racial balance, not the behavior. There seems to be much more taut racial politics in areas with larger black populations, and they are fraught. It's scary. You hear about kids texting their mom when the teacher yells at them and next thing you know the teacher is suspended.

    There are relatively few blacks in my area. I actually think back sadly to the time when there was a much higher percentage of blacks here. Until I think about teaching in that environment.
    I have a home in the Southeast that I will be retiring to, but occasionally I think about getting a job to teach for a couple years--and then I remember the racial balance and well, maybe not.

    The thing is, I *want* to help black kids succeed. I just don't want to lose my career doing it.

    It all comes down to the admin. I taught in an all-Black school and the parents actually wanted more discipline but the nice whites weren’t having it so the kids ran the joint.

  148. @CAL2
    Dozing in class and playing with your phone are tried and true methods of achieving success. Also, rushing the stage and ranting are just bonus points. They have the video of her giving her impromptu speech. Basically it comes down to the teachers aren't telling her enough how special she is and they need racial equity classes that are easy A's.

    The sad thing is the white guys sitting there on stage doing nothing.

    Yeah, like most large corporations, the ones I have worked for have regular events where the CEO, CFO, COO, CTO, General Counsel, and so on sit on a stage and make speeches and take questions from employees in a large auditorium: invariably, someone leaps onto the stage and snatches the microphone from whichever executive is speaking, denouncing the leadership’s policies and pronouncing how important the individual employee is. Naturally, the ranting employee is applauded, promoted, and given a large bonus each time.

    Wait…I’m sorry…that’s actually never happened once in the hundreds of these events I have endured. I think it is because such behaviour would lead to a prompt escort out between two burly goons in corporate security and the termination of the employee (perhaps, if he were lucky and talented, mere admonitions and demotion; certainly a stalled career).

    Similarly, if one is seen to be playing Candy Crush Saga on his phone or falling asleep during important meetings at the office the boss tends to be unimpressed – well, you get the point.

    If this savage is truly concerned about her education, she had ought to be educating herself about causes and effects, actions and reactions – consequences, that is – in the real world.

  149. @Dave Pinsen
    Perhaps one way to improve race relations might be to discourage African Americans from rushing stages and grabbing microphones without permission. Did this start with Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift? In any case, it happened at the Dems’ LGBTQ town hall this week too.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1182527649677221888?s=21

    How did we get here….

  150. @Reg Cæsar
    A climatic oddity of Cuyahoga County is that the eastern suburbs get three time the snowfall of the western ones. Shaker Heights appears to be about the midpoint of this, which is almost metaphorical, isn't it?

    Also, the Shakers for whom the place is named are famous for not having children, but that isn't the case at all. Shaker communities often had many children. But they were adopted. Another metaphor?

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I'd like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Like Oak Park in Illinois, this city has amenities other than racial comity to attract newcomers. Do blacks and whites move there at the same rates, for the same reasons? Is one race more likely than the other to stick around town for generations, regressing to their mean?

    https://www.cleveland19.com/resizer/R_ewXfQ1hU9Bh4RLut8kLI7x408=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6U637I2FA5BCVAP2HCHSFBQZKY.png

    East of Cleveland must be really segregated, as the only ones who'd live there are minorities who can't afford better, and founding-stock Western Reserve Yankees for whom the weather is a feature.

    I’m not sure where this map comes from, but it is really sucky in noting the relative location of suburbs and cities outside of and around Cleveland. Just type in “Cleveland” into Google Maps and try to make the resulting map square with this jigsaw puzzle. The comparison is laughable.

  151. @Jack D

    There are no antisemites here.
     
    You gotta be kiddin' me. There aren't that many (open) anti-Semites in America but there are a number of regular commenters here who make no secret of their antisemitism - they proclaim it loud and proud. They would be insulted if you failed to call them antisemites.

    I hear little ranting against Arabs, Palestinians, Phoenicians, et al, here.

    Jews, sure, a lot of people don’t like Jews, but is it because Jews are Semites?

    A lot of people don’t like Gypsies either. Some people don’t like Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.

    Some people don’t like attorneys. Some people don’t like cops. I know a lot of guys who hate vintage guitar dealers.

    No matter who you are or what you do, someone is going to not like you for no reason that you are responsible for. You just can not win them all.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Anti-semite was always a euphemism for anti-Jewish and only anti-Jewish. It has nothing to do with other Semitic races.

    It's true that a lot of people here don't like other groups as well as not liking Jews but this doesn't negate the fact that they are anti-Semites too. Also, Jews seem to be special because they are deemed to be the cause of EVERYTHING bad. You might not like vintage guitar dealers but no one attributes all of the ills of the world to them.
  152. IIRC, the study also pointed out differences in the attitude of black parents’ wrt education. They saw an education as something that was given to the student, almost as if the knowledge was poured into their heads, rather than something the student had to work at. Not surprisingly, these parents were not as diligent as whites in making sure their kids did their homework, etc.

    And the bottom line is still that It’s All Whitey’s Fault and Something Must Be Done, which almost always means higher taxes and more make work jobs for NAMs.

  153. @Feryl
    The depressing reality appears to be that blacks do worse in multi-racial environments because low-brow blacks taunt gifted blacks who are thought to be getting uncomfortably close to a studious and quiet (e.g., white) identity. When no whites are present the more talented blacks are better able to exude their gifts and use them toward responsible leadership of the more low-brow blacks.

    As it now stands, many of the smarter and more diligent blacks bide their time around the dregs when they are young, and then are siphoned off by governments and companies eager for black talent. The best blacks no longer have as much influence on blacks as they used to, given the pressure that modern blacks exert on each other to not "conform" to "being white". Many modern black elites focus on biting the hand that fed them (white society) instead of bothering to actually help out lower brow blacks. Modern black elites now gratuitously blame whites for the decay of black communities rather than admit the negligence and cowardice of talented blacks who no longer are willing to ask more of lower class blacks.

    Talented blacks who comprise leadership simply act like whites. Not since the WASPs abdicated have white or black leaders cared for their communities. Much like they copied whites sitting on porches, blacks copy whites in looking out instead of in.

  154. @donvonburg
    I hear little ranting against Arabs, Palestinians, Phoenicians, et al, here.

    Jews, sure, a lot of people don't like Jews, but is it because Jews are Semites?

    A lot of people don't like Gypsies either. Some people don't like Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.

    Some people don't like attorneys. Some people don't like cops. I know a lot of guys who hate vintage guitar dealers.

    No matter who you are or what you do, someone is going to not like you for no reason that you are responsible for. You just can not win them all.

    Anti-semite was always a euphemism for anti-Jewish and only anti-Jewish. It has nothing to do with other Semitic races.

    It’s true that a lot of people here don’t like other groups as well as not liking Jews but this doesn’t negate the fact that they are anti-Semites too. Also, Jews seem to be special because they are deemed to be the cause of EVERYTHING bad. You might not like vintage guitar dealers but no one attributes all of the ills of the world to them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is equally idiotic, in my opinion, either to attribute all ills to Jews, or to deny that they somehow keep turning up as in instigating or furthering a fair proportion of them.

    The Ashkenazim are high IQ, they a people long trained to be “ a people who shall dwell alone”, they’re verbally facile, and many are clinically neurotic.

    Whites otoh are often gullible, thick and ordinary to use the Britishisms, and not nearly so verbally facile. Ashkenazi Jews in such an environment are like foxes in the proverbial hen house so long as the hen house is wordist rather than race-ist, nation-ist, whatever “ist” you want to use.

    The prospect of the alpha rooster coming back and reordering the hen house therefore does not appeal to Fox HQ.
  155. And working class Whites who get called in to fix the plumbing hate all the rich White Liberals are actually please uppity Blacks are threatening the rich White, Liberals or else just causing trouble for very well paid public school union teachers. These working class Whites pretty much write off all education, all books, literature as something in the enemy camp.

  156. @YetAnotherAnon
    "PEX tubing and PVC drain pipe is much easier to work with than cast iron and copper with its fiery torches."

    I wonder how long PEX tubing and fittings last? They're guaranteed for 25 years but copper with solder fittings are usually good for 100 +- there are houses still with Victorian pipes and taps.

    The life expectancy of PEX is longer than copper. Copper corrodes and can develop pinhole leaks, especially in areas where the water is naturally acidic.

    https://www.phcppros.com/articles/158-pex-or-copper-which-is-more-sustainable

    I don’t think that copper pipe was used that much in the Victorian era. They used threaded galvanized steel pipe (similar to what is still used today for gas) and before that lead. Even if some homes still have Victorian taps (and not many do) the plumbing has probably been redone.

  157. @Anon

    I’ve come to suspect that “not acting white” is a face-saving device to avoid admitting laziness or lack of intellectual ability.
     
    It's the same as mediocre white people who claim to be really smart but "don't test well." A similar claim is being so smart that school wasn't enough of a challenge to even warrant trying to get good grades.

    The difference is that we let white people have whatever lame excuses they need to cope with mediocrity, but we spend billions of dollars and man hours trying to solve the issue of black kids who claim a paralyzing fear of "acting white."

    You confuse academic performance and life outcome with brainpower. Although intelligence and conscientiousness are interrelated to a significant degree, they are two different things, and being smart doesn’t mean by default you’ll be hard-working.

    Aside from the fact that some people do overestimate their intelligence and are prone to seeking excuses for their failures, there are a number of factors that can hamper the academic performance of otherwise smart kids, such as tumultuous family environment, social awkwardness, lack of meticulousness as a character trait, gaming addiction etc.

    The standard IQ test is the most accurate indicator of intelligence, but scoring high at it won’t guarantee success. And since we’re always looking at averages, whether explicitly or implicitly, you’ll always find people who deviate from them to a significant degree.

  158. @Jack D

    There are no antisemites here.
     
    You gotta be kiddin' me. There aren't that many (open) anti-Semites in America but there are a number of regular commenters here who make no secret of their antisemitism - they proclaim it loud and proud. They would be insulted if you failed to call them antisemites.

    Using the Mencken definition are we? “an anti-semite is someone who likes Jews exactly as much as they deserve?” or some such?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No, I mean anti-Semite as in like Henry Adams (BTW, a lot of the anti-Semites here have a real 19th century odor about them - modern Leftist anti-Semites are much fresher with their "Zionists are colonial oppressors" take on Jews, if 1948 is fresher than 1898.) John Hay, remarking on Adams's antisemitism, said that when Adams "saw Vesuvius reddening ... [he] searched for a Jew stoking the fire." Among their other tricks, the Unz anti-Semites succeed in identifying 20 out of every 10 Jewish journalists and other public figures.
  159. @Reg Cæsar
    A climatic oddity of Cuyahoga County is that the eastern suburbs get three time the snowfall of the western ones. Shaker Heights appears to be about the midpoint of this, which is almost metaphorical, isn't it?

    Also, the Shakers for whom the place is named are famous for not having children, but that isn't the case at all. Shaker communities often had many children. But they were adopted. Another metaphor?

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I'd like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Like Oak Park in Illinois, this city has amenities other than racial comity to attract newcomers. Do blacks and whites move there at the same rates, for the same reasons? Is one race more likely than the other to stick around town for generations, regressing to their mean?

    https://www.cleveland19.com/resizer/R_ewXfQ1hU9Bh4RLut8kLI7x408=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6U637I2FA5BCVAP2HCHSFBQZKY.png

    East of Cleveland must be really segregated, as the only ones who'd live there are minorities who can't afford better, and founding-stock Western Reserve Yankees for whom the weather is a feature.

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I’d like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Indeed, I’d have to think that they’d be doing much better than any of the slummy areas that one has to go through to even get to Shaker Heights.

  160. @Jack D
    I remember those driver training films. Some of them were racist by modern standards. One that I remember involved two blacks driving on a wet and curvy nighttime road and the passenger was pleading with the driver in black dialect, "Leroy, you is drivin' too fast. Slow down Leroy, Ima beggin' you ...", etc. Then a few seconds later, you hear the passenger let out a horrifying black person scream and next you see his horribly mutilated corpse. In those pre-airbag, no seatbelt (by then cars had seatbelts even though most people didn't use them but some of these driver's ed movies must have been a decade old and from pre-seatbelt days), no crash safety standard days a car crash could leave you looking like the headless horseman.

    I remember those driver training films. Some of them were racist by modern standards. One that I remember involved two blacks driving on a wet and curvy nighttime road and the passenger was pleading with the driver in black dialect, “Leroy, you is drivin’ too fast. Slow down Leroy, Ima beggin’ you …”, etc.

    That’s amazing. And funny. I wish someone would put one up on YouTube.

  161. @Old Palo Altan
    If we had met you'd never have written what I reproduce above my question.

    You had a bad experience with a nail gun? Hope it’s all healed now.

  162. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Anti-semite was always a euphemism for anti-Jewish and only anti-Jewish. It has nothing to do with other Semitic races.

    It's true that a lot of people here don't like other groups as well as not liking Jews but this doesn't negate the fact that they are anti-Semites too. Also, Jews seem to be special because they are deemed to be the cause of EVERYTHING bad. You might not like vintage guitar dealers but no one attributes all of the ills of the world to them.

    It is equally idiotic, in my opinion, either to attribute all ills to Jews, or to deny that they somehow keep turning up as in instigating or furthering a fair proportion of them.

    The Ashkenazim are high IQ, they a people long trained to be “ a people who shall dwell alone”, they’re verbally facile, and many are clinically neurotic.

    Whites otoh are often gullible, thick and ordinary to use the Britishisms, and not nearly so verbally facile. Ashkenazi Jews in such an environment are like foxes in the proverbial hen house so long as the hen house is wordist rather than race-ist, nation-ist, whatever “ist” you want to use.

    The prospect of the alpha rooster coming back and reordering the hen house therefore does not appeal to Fox HQ.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Even if what you say is true, there just aren't enough Jews around for 2% of the population to cause 100% of mischief. Jews punch above their weight so maybe they can cause 20% but not 100% and that leave the other 80% for your fellow hens.
  163. @Jack Henson
    Using the Mencken definition are we? "an anti-semite is someone who likes Jews exactly as much as they deserve?" or some such?

    No, I mean anti-Semite as in like Henry Adams (BTW, a lot of the anti-Semites here have a real 19th century odor about them – modern Leftist anti-Semites are much fresher with their “Zionists are colonial oppressors” take on Jews, if 1948 is fresher than 1898.) John Hay, remarking on Adams’s antisemitism, said that when Adams “saw Vesuvius reddening … [he] searched for a Jew stoking the fire.” Among their other tricks, the Unz anti-Semites succeed in identifying 20 out of every 10 Jewish journalists and other public figures.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    That "Early Life" wikipedia section on public figures bites huh?
  164. @Alden
    Black high school since just last year???? Move as soon as possible.

    Lol. That was the tentative plan, but property values have gone nothing but up.

  165. @Anonymous
    It is equally idiotic, in my opinion, either to attribute all ills to Jews, or to deny that they somehow keep turning up as in instigating or furthering a fair proportion of them.

    The Ashkenazim are high IQ, they a people long trained to be “ a people who shall dwell alone”, they’re verbally facile, and many are clinically neurotic.

    Whites otoh are often gullible, thick and ordinary to use the Britishisms, and not nearly so verbally facile. Ashkenazi Jews in such an environment are like foxes in the proverbial hen house so long as the hen house is wordist rather than race-ist, nation-ist, whatever “ist” you want to use.

    The prospect of the alpha rooster coming back and reordering the hen house therefore does not appeal to Fox HQ.

    Even if what you say is true, there just aren’t enough Jews around for 2% of the population to cause 100% of mischief. Jews punch above their weight so maybe they can cause 20% but not 100% and that leave the other 80% for your fellow hens.

  166. @Peterike
    “ And Podl, a 1983 Shaker graduate, thought of herself as an ally to black students. She helped bring Facing History and Ourselves, a professional development program about racism and prejudice, to Shaker High. She added Bryan Stevenson’s book “Just Mercy” to her curriculum.”

    In other words, Jewish racial troublemaker suffers blowback from precisely what she’s been agitating for her whole career. Cry me a river.

    The most dangerous people in the world are those who see it as their duty to improve it.

  167. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Even if what you say is true, there just aren’t enough Jews around for 2% of the population to cause 100% of mischief. Jews punch above their weight so maybe they can cause 20% but not 100% and that leave the other 80% for your fellow hens.

    That sounds about right. I’d say 30% though at least.

    Jews are not the fundamental problem. Whites are their own fundamental problem.
    Covington and Pierce admitted that.

  168. @Jack D
    No, I mean anti-Semite as in like Henry Adams (BTW, a lot of the anti-Semites here have a real 19th century odor about them - modern Leftist anti-Semites are much fresher with their "Zionists are colonial oppressors" take on Jews, if 1948 is fresher than 1898.) John Hay, remarking on Adams's antisemitism, said that when Adams "saw Vesuvius reddening ... [he] searched for a Jew stoking the fire." Among their other tricks, the Unz anti-Semites succeed in identifying 20 out of every 10 Jewish journalists and other public figures.

    That “Early Life” wikipedia section on public figures bites huh?

  169. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    A climatic oddity of Cuyahoga County is that the eastern suburbs get three time the snowfall of the western ones. Shaker Heights appears to be about the midpoint of this, which is almost metaphorical, isn't it?

    Also, the Shakers for whom the place is named are famous for not having children, but that isn't the case at all. Shaker communities often had many children. But they were adopted. Another metaphor?

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I'd like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    Like Oak Park in Illinois, this city has amenities other than racial comity to attract newcomers. Do blacks and whites move there at the same rates, for the same reasons? Is one race more likely than the other to stick around town for generations, regressing to their mean?

    https://www.cleveland19.com/resizer/R_ewXfQ1hU9Bh4RLut8kLI7x408=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6U637I2FA5BCVAP2HCHSFBQZKY.png

    East of Cleveland must be really segregated, as the only ones who'd live there are minorities who can't afford better, and founding-stock Western Reserve Yankees for whom the weather is a feature.

    This article is all about comparing children within Shaker Heights. I’d like to know how the black kids compare to others in the area, and the same for whites.

    I’d like to see the college admissions data. I’m sure that proportionately more blacks are going to better colleges than the Jews due to AA. And that’s the kicker. The reality is that it doesn’t make any difference if more blacks are in AP because only diversity matters to the colleges. The standards for blacks have been lowered and they know it so Olivia knows that she should be able to play on her phone during class because that’s black privilege.

    It was sobering to see the immense achievement gap between most of the black and Latino applicants and their white and especially Asian counterparts. But I couldn’t help but think that part of that gap was due to the well-known lowered expectations for favored minorities. Even achievement-oriented students tend to work hard enough to accomplish their goals — and no harder. Why tell the best and brightest black and Latino students that they don’t have to do as well, that they can take their foot off the accelerator and still attend the best schools?

    This is a quote from an article that David French wrote for NRO about his experience on the admissions team of Cornell Law School. Many of us have seen the data that showed white kids from families that earn $20k score better on the SAT than black families that make $100k. The liberals have now normalized for minorities that merit doesn’t matter. It’s what you think you’re owed.

  170. @The Practical Conservative
    It's not 200k and there's a lot of other people fighting for that supposedly common-as-dirt sinecure. That's why identity politics has gotten more and more toxic and rancorous-- turns out there isn't that much money in it and most of what is there still goes to white-enough people rather than "minorities".

    It’s not 200k…there isn’t that much money in it…

    Apparently you haven’t familiarized yourself with current affairs at nearby State U. where scores of black employees with annual salaries in that range and beyond have fancy titles but serve as no more than window dressing contributing nothing in the best case scenario as opposed to the downside where their agitation in furtherance of the JEW-LIE narrative only serves to make a toxic environment more so and therefore less conducive to true learning and learning truth.

    Notice there are no Farrakhan-like speakers of truth about JEW TREACHERY among those highly compensated Affirmative Action Award Winners.

  171. @Jack D
    There are several things going on:

    1. A few years ago when Newsweek was still around, they decided that they would rank high schools because ranking colleges has been a great business move for US News & World Report. But they put some leftist idiot in charge who had no idea how to actually rank HS's so he decided the best (or easiest) way to rank them was by the number of AP courses that you offered. He used Magic Dirt / Wizard of Oz reasoning - what is the difference between really elite schools and ghetto schools? Really elite schools offer a lot of AP courses while ghetto schools don't. So if you offer AP courses in your ghetto school it will be really elite. (How well the students scored on the AP tests was not weighed). So the best way to game your ranking is to offer lots of AP courses. Ironically, really elite schools (private prep schools) are moving away from AP courses because the curriculum is too rigid and their teachers would rather teach interesting (sometimes more advanced) material rather than just running a year long AP prep course.

    2. When I went to high school in a semi-rural/ blue collar part of central NJ (Springsteen territory), the high school was tracked and only maybe 30 kids out of a class of 500 were in the 1st (prep for 4 year college) track. Even so, maybe 1/2 of those kids went to Rutgers or other NJ state schools and maybe a dozen attended private colleges and maybe 3 or 4 went to Ivies or other top 20 schools. But in a modern prosperous suburb filled with the kids of professionals, a substantial chunk of the class is going to attend (or at least try to get into) an elite university and they are all going to take AP classes.

    3. In a mixed race HS, AP classes are a way of having classes for white people (and a few of the more promising blacks) in the same building as classes for blacks. The races attend the same school but don't take the same courses. Otherwise it would be impossible. Rich suburban white kids and their parents would not put up with the shenanigans and violence that go on in majority black classrooms and of course it's impossible to teach at a college prep level. In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) and the teacher just hopes and prays that they won't be disruptive - just sitting in the back of the class and looking at your phone and dozing is usually good enough so this kid was shocked and offended when the white teacher tried to hold her to white people standards. You can see how well the white teacher was rewarded for this and you can imagine that the other white teachers will draw the correct lesson.

    In the AP classes, the few slave descended American blacks are always at the bottom of the class (not so for Caribbean and African immigrant blacks or mixed race blacks with white mothers) …

    Would greatly appreciate any thoughts/opinions/insights you might be willing to share as to the white mama dynamic you mention which I’ve never seen raised or heard discussed before.

    Because your words I’ve quoted before the white mama reference make sense consistent with my experience, you have credibility so I would like to learn your thoughts on this topic.

    I guess because the vast majority of mixed black/white children/people I’ve known are of white mother I’ve always assumed that is the strong majority across the mixed race population. Facts contradicting my assumption would be informative.

    I’ve always considered the white mama dynamic to be a major problem for the children and society in general because she typically has attitude problems of rebelliousness which motivated her sex partner choice complicated by the extremely high likelihood she will be abandoned by the black male shortly after his predatory use of her exhausts his interest in her.

    But your phraseology seems to hint that among the population of mixed black/white school children you see those with white mothers outperforming those with black mothers by your inclusion of white mama in your parenthetical describing the higher performing blacks.

    Or are you saying what I’ve always assumed to be true, that as a rule mixed black children are usually of white mothers?

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