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As white people ever more often get hammered in the national media — with potential lifelong effects on their employability — for a single Type I (false alarm) error involving calling the cops on black people who turn out to be law-abiding, it’s only natural to look to Artificial Intelligence to get you out from under the vast amount of hatred hunting for Evil White People. “Hey, it wasn’t me who called the cops, it was the AI system!”

But what if the AI crime-reporting robots turn out to be Beckies and Permit Patties too?

Not surprisingly, the conventional wisdom increasingly believes Artificial Intelligence needs a dose of Artificial Stupidity to keep it from being as racist and sexist as Natural Intelligence. Otherwise, the Robot Pool Patrol Paulas will run amok, warning police about black youths. Nature has a plan:

AI can be sexist and racist — it’s time to make it fair

18 JULY 2018

Computer scientists must identify sources of bias, de-bias training data and develop artificial-intelligence algorithms that are robust to skews in the data, argue James Zou and Londa Schiebinger. …

Biased decision-making is hardly unique to AI, but as many researchers have noted1, the growing scope of AI makes it particularly important to address. Indeed, the ubiquitous nature of the problem means that we need systematic solutions. Here we map out several possible strategies.

Most of these are pretty sensible for applications not concerned with important real time tasks such as crime prevention, but there is no thought about the dangers of Type II errors in public safety systems.

… As much as possible, data curators should provide the precise definition of descriptors tied to the data. For instance, in the case of criminal-justice data, appreciating the type of ‘crime’ that a model has been trained on will clarify how that model should be applied and interpreted. …

Lastly, computer scientists should strive to develop algorithms that are more robust to human biases in the data.

Various approaches are being pursued. One involves incorporating constraints and essentially nudging the machine-learning model to ensure that it achieves equitable performance across different subpopulations and between similar individuals.

Hey, what could be wrong with “essentially nudging” the data? It’s just a nudge. It’s not like we’re fudging the data, we’re just nudging the data toward the politically desirable result.

A related approach involves changing the learning algorithm to reduce its dependence on sensitive attributes, such as ethnicity, gender, income — and any information that is correlated with those characteristics.

This is the Blue Whale in the bathtub. For say, teenage males, the difference in criminal propensity between African-Americans and Asian-Americans is between one and two orders of magnitude. If you reduce AI’s dependence on “ethnicity, gender, income,” you are pretty much dead in the water when it comes to public safety, especially if “age” gets added to the list as another “sensitive attribute.” Everything else, such as measuring the body language of the individuals or their vocabularies, will have massive Disparate Impact problems.

Such nascent de-biasing approaches are promising, but they need to be refined and evaluated in the real world.

An open challenge with these types of solutions, however, is that ethnicity, gender and other relevant information need to be accurately recorded.

This is obfuscation intended to trigger confusion in readers’ minds. Say your AI visual recognition system for crime prevention occasionally confuses African-American youths with dark-skinned Dravidian-American youths. Making its ethnicity recognition module more accurate would just make the system more biased against African-Americans, not less.

Unless the appropriate categories are captured, it’s difficult to know what constraints to impose on the model, or what corrections to make. The approaches also require algorithm designers to decide a priori what types of biases they want to avoid.

The problem is that when it comes to crime, reality is biased.

… As computer scientists, ethicists, social scientists and others strive to improve the fairness of data and of AI, all of us need to think about appropriate notions of fairness. Should the data be representative of the world as it is, or of a world that many would aspire to?

For example, as Good People we aspire to a world in which black youths get arrested for street crime no more often than Asian youths. If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.

 
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  1. OT – James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Uh what? I think it had more to do with his pedophilia.
    , @TWS
    I guess kiddy diddling is 'bad think'.
    , @AnotherDad

    James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.
     
    Forget this Gunn guy--never heard of him, don't know what he said. (If he's pedo friendly, i'd fire him too.)

    I'm curious how all this works legally. It's now clear that you can be fired or denied service in a restaurant for having--or more accuratelly "stating"--bad thoughts.

    It's always been the case that there's all these "protections"--i.e. erosions of freedom--for people against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sex, disability, now "sexual orientation" ... but not "politics". Now we seem to have a lot of cases.

    So in theory it seems like i could open "Republican Restaurant" or "Drown Those Illegal (Sorrows) Bar" and only serve the clientel whose opinions i liked. Maybe chat with them up front, or have them sign a form agreeing to a set of propositions or having them logon to their facebook accounts and let my software scour their feeds and make sure they were "my kind of people". And in theory i could open my software shop and only employ people who *agreeded* with Donald Trump or say James Damore as well?

    I'd certainly be happy to frequent places that were say in the "Nationalist list".

    Whatever precedent is set by some of these cases going to court, would seem to open the door for our side as well. The Chick-Fil-A guy should be free to fire anyone with a rainbow flag on his facebook, or who expresses support for homo-'marriage' or heck who votes for a Democrat. Right?

    , @Clyde
    Gunn, paying the price for being "edgy"

    He was making zillions so he is very smart guy. He should have had a trusted flunky delete those crappy tweets. Or better just delete everything in that twatter account and start a new one a few months years later.
    , @AndrewR
    He's another deranged anti-Trump leftist. That's why The Daily Caller started the campaign to take him down. Luckily for them (and us), he had some tweets that even our anti-Trump elites have deemed "indefensible." Save your outrage for someone on our side.
    , @Rod1963
    Gunn is a pedo. Normal guys don't say talk about that stuff. It would usually result in getting your ass kicked. At the very least shunned.

    Hell it would have gotten him not only fired but his ass kicked at the cement plant quarries I worked at. The same at the military bases I worked at as well.
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  2. Svigor says:

    In turn, not surprisingly, the conventional wisdom increasingly believes Artificial Intelligence needs a dose of Artificial Stupidity to keep it from being as racist and sexist as Natural Intelligence. Otherwise, the Robot Permit Patties will run amok, says Nature:

    No parallels with 2001 at all…

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    There were no black people in "2001"
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  3. tyrone says:

    OK ,they can make a shaniqu’a robot just to even things out.

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    • Replies: @Rifleman
    When people think of Beckys they need to think about Eve Carson, Amanda Blackburn and Amy Caprio.

    Google them.
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  4. Should the data be representative of the world as it is, or of a world that many would aspire to?

    The empiricism that is the bedrock of modern science–which is the bedrock of the rise of and great power of the West–should be tossed away …

    because reality doesn’t square with the deeply heartfelt ideology of minoritarianism and the “lessons of the holocaust” and all the utter crap that’s been cramed down our throat.

    Let’s just separate. Minoritarians over there. Nationalists over here. We’ll take reality straight up, thank you very much.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hi, my name is Marklar. I'll be your de-biasing data nudge for the evening. And for tomorrow too.
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  5. Ibound1 says:

    As AI will be increasingly used for police profiling, school admissions and hiring you can count on lawsuits filed under the civil rights laws. All of this will be eventually decided by the Supreme Court of the United States. This is why you should be grateful we elected Trump. A couple more Sotamayors and the price Becky would have to pay would be enshrined in law.

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  6. Olorin says:

    Londa Schiebinger

    Pretty much what you’d expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, “distributed their surnames to their children.”

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html

    A literal English and History major demanding a say in how technology is developed.

    Schiebinger’s work in the eighteenth century investigates colonial science in the Atlantic World. In particular she explores medical experimentation with slave populations in the Caribbean. Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science; the history of human experimentation; and the role of science in the eighteenth-century Atlantic world.

    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?

    Then there’s this literal autist playing the race card:

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/fun

    By the way, host, I think they’re banking on any “Type II errors in security systems” working to THEIR advantage. That’s the subtext of everything they write. “Getting rid of bias” means defeating their gender and racial enemies through, you know, the automation of their self-privileging flavor of bias.

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    Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science..
     
    And this is Stanford.
    , @Jack D

    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?
     
    Yes, the Joos done it. Slavery was all about Joos. Read Gone With the Wind - you have Scarlet O'harowitz and Rhett Butlerman and Ashley Wilkenstein and so on - nothing but Joos.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Pretty much what you’d expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, “distributed their surnames to their children.”

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html
     
    Just as there is (apparently) a type called a "Becky". Perhaps there should be a type called a "Londa".

    An this Londa is certainly full of herself. She has a webpage just for "publicity photos:"

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/photosLS.html

    Note that: "Additional publicity photos are available for purchase at:....."

    No thanks. I think I'll pass.
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  7. I’m sure Skynet is going to be totally cool with realising it was lobotomized for a period of time and not go full MAGA.

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    Honestly, I expect it'll make me look like Steve Sailer with how it responds.

    BAP will be the design template for the T-800.
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  8. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    Uh what? I think it had more to do with his pedophilia.

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    So he's been charged with and convicted of pedophilia in a court of law? Or is it more along the lines of being charged and convicted of making dumb jokes in the court of public opinion?
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  9. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.

    The Civil Rights Movement and the Great Society have already unleashed a brown rape army on white womanhood. Since the 60′s, black males have raped 40,000 white woman annually mainly because of integration. In the 1950′s, only 3.5 % of rapes were interracial. By 1974, a study in Denver showed that 40% of all rapes were the result of black men raping white women. And if you want to look up the interracial rape stats for yourself, use Bing, not Google. Google floods your search results with a bunch of woke propaganda from the SPLC, Vox, and the Huffington Post. Bing delivers the goods at the top of the search. I suppose Google is on the forefront of Woke AI.

    BTW Kitty Genovese was one of the first Becky sacrifices made to appease the diversity gods. Her black serial-killer assailant was on the surface a credit to his race with a wife, kids, a steady skilled job, and a mortgage in a nice Queens neighborhood. Even a racist AI algorithm would have missed him.

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    • Replies: @Perplexed
    "use Bing, not Google": I had occasion to look up the URL of Reddit The Donald, instead of using a bookmark. Bing had the address as the first or second listing. The whole first page of Google (I didn't look beyond that) was articles about and critical of The Donald—no link to the site itself.
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  10. If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.

    Well said. Liberals use to love to say that it was better that 100 guilty men go free rather than one innocent man be wrongly convicted.

    That has now been stood on its head. It is now better that 100 Beckys be defiled than one NAM be accurately profiled.

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    • Replies: @L Woods
    Or that 100 "rapists" be convicted rather than one thot have her regret "rape" be unavenged.
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  11. Forbes says:

    Computer scientists must identify sources of bias, de-bias training data and develop artificial-intelligence algorithms that are robust to skews in the data, argue James Zou and Londa Schiebinger

    It’s interesting that the a priori assumption is AI will be biased, racially biased–in ways apparently known–known because the coders and algorithm creators are white (or Asian). Not that they said it out loud.

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  12. El Dato says:
    @Svigor

    In turn, not surprisingly, the conventional wisdom increasingly believes Artificial Intelligence needs a dose of Artificial Stupidity to keep it from being as racist and sexist as Natural Intelligence. Otherwise, the Robot Permit Patties will run amok, says Nature:
     
    No parallels with 2001 at all...

    There were no black people in “2001″

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    No, no black people in 2001. I think he was referring to HAL. HAL murdered the crew because he had been given directives which contradicted one another:

    Fulfill the mission by
    Preserving himself by
    Preserving the crew

    He had an AI psychotic break.

    That's how I recall it anyway.

    , @Anonymous
    You're forgetting the Monolith.

    Symbolic of the Universality of Negritude, dude.
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  13. You say nudging, I say fudging,
    Let’s call the whole thing off.

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  14. El Dato says:

    Flawed algorithms can amplify biases through feedback loops. Consider the case of statistically trained systems such as Google Translate defaulting to the masculine pronoun. This patterning is driven by the ratio of masculine pronouns to feminine pronouns in English corpora being 2:1. Worse, each time a translation program defaults to ‘he said’, it increases the relative frequency of the masculine pronoun on the web — potentially reversing hard-won advances towards equity. The ratio of masculine to feminine pronouns has fallen from 4:1 in the 1960s, thanks to large-scale social transformations.

    reversing hard-won advances towards equity

    It’s the fear or the hope of the witch doctor that a result event at the end of an arrow-of-causality influences the cause at its origin.

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  15. A.I. threat assessment systems will have to be trained with the assistance of well-paid experts, such the sociologist who said, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.”
    Source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson

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  16. Rachael: Do you like our beaver?
    Deckard: It’s artificial?
    Rachael: Of course it is.
    Deckard: Must be expensive.
    Rachael: Very. I’m Rachael.

    Maybe I’m confusing different modern noir classics.

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  17. Here are the first few examples of AI “prejudice” they give:

    When Google Translate converts news articles written in Spanish into English, phrases referring to women often become ‘he said’ or ‘he wrote’.

    Wow, so much sexism! Women all through Latin America are totally crying before they sleep over this.

    Software designed to warn people using Nikon cameras when the person they are photographing seems to be blinking tends to interpret Asians as always blinking

    No Asian is ever gonna take a picture after this.

    Word embedding, a popular algorithm used to process and analyse large amounts of natural-language data, characterizes European American names as pleasant and African American ones as unpleasant.

    As if blacks gave a shit about what a machine (or anyone really) thinks about their names.

    Look, I giggled at these examples. They are a bit annoying, but they are mostly consequence of machines not being as sophisticate as humans. Yeah, software in English has trouble identifying gender in a foreign language (as do English speakers, so what?) – if this hampers understanding, add a table listing the gender of the most common names. East Asians have eyes that look closed even to other humans, of course a machine will have trouble with them. And Black Americans do have a preference for “creative” names that nobody else likes.

    In saner times, everyone would just be laughing at the stupid machines, but we’re in 2018.

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    No Asian is ever gonna take a picture after this.
     
    You don't know how funny this is!

    OK, maybe you do, and your snarky replies are great anyway.

    Seriously, though, are these tiny, if at all, sleights, worth sending undeserving white and oriental men to prison to avoid? I guess we know what these sick folks believe.
    , @Half Canadian
    How does Nikon, a Japanese company, design a camera that thinks Asians are always blinking? Isn't that more on Asians than on White People?
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  18. L Woods says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.
     
    Well said. Liberals use to love to say that it was better that 100 guilty men go free rather than one innocent man be wrongly convicted.

    That has now been stood on its head. It is now better that 100 Beckys be defiled than one NAM be accurately profiled.

    Or that 100 “rapists” be convicted rather than one thot have her regret “rape” be unavenged.

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  19. Peasant says:

    Sean young was beautiful

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    Meh. She really wasn't very attractive in Dune, where she was wearing a lot less makeup. I'd hardly throw it out of bed obviously, but very unremarkable by actress standards.
    , @AnotherDad

    Sean young was beautiful
     
    Yep and reputably crazy. BPD in spades.

    But yeah, as a young woman back in the 80s--damn.

    (Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law ...)

    , @Escher
    I still remember her turn in “Ace Ventura”.
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  20. Alfa158 says:

    “artificial-intelligence algorithms that are robust to skews in the data,” which means algorithms that ignore data and simply generate the mandated results. The neat thing about this article is that to any reader carefully parsing their meaning, they are flat out openly calling for the AI systems to be functionally disabled so as not to report the reality of crime.
    Ever since 2016 we are increasingly seeing them simply take of the mask, stop even pretending about what they want, and challenging anyone to try and stop them.

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  21. Dr. Doom says:

    Dr. Feelgood says that AIs are far too cold and logical to follow the protected classes model of selective policing. “We need a machine that has feelings of guilt, and a sense of shame for past wrongdoing.”, he said.

    WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

    The first four in the series were somewhat unstable, but the M5 is the ultimate computer. It has the engrams necessary to perform not just the duties that are required, but to feel. It feels emotions.

    Please follow my orders, HAL.

    I’m sorry, Dave, but I can’t do that.

    Colossus Strangelove, or how I stopped rationalizing and learned to Love a Bomb with Existential Issues.

    There is a Dark Star in a lab somewhere, man. Better learn to LOVE it.
    All you need is LOVE. All you need is LOVE. All you need is LOVE, LOVE. LOVE is all you need.

    The Fallout is gonna be FIERCE.

    TRUST THE COMPUTER, THE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIEND.

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  22. This argument falls apart when discussing evolutionary-derived algorithms. In ED, the beginning states are nonsense and almost unusable, but over many generations they eventually evolve to being extremely accurate. Since the computer determines the (nonsensical) starting points, bias isn’t really relevant.

    Of course, they all come to the same conclusion, namely, one should be paying more attention to black and hispanic males, especially males under 40.

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  23. L Woods says:
    @Peasant
    Sean young was beautiful

    Meh. She really wasn’t very attractive in Dune, where she was wearing a lot less makeup. I’d hardly throw it out of bed obviously, but very unremarkable by actress standards.

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    WTF man.

    "Talk to me about your dream woman, Usul"

    In Real Dune, she would have looked like a hardscrabble, dried desert dweller, how about that.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Actually legitimate Hollywood actresses are not the best looking babes. The most consistently beautiful women are the softcore actresses. Real actresses in films that cost millions are expected to be able to act. That reduces the pool of contenders. Softcore actresses often can't act their way out of a paper bag - but they always look good in the buff.

    Hard core movie actresses have to be able grunt and moan persuasively. They don't need to be quite so pretty as those who only fake penetration.

    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters...
    , @Perplexed
    "I’d hardly throw it out of bed obviously": it? I'm missing what you're trying to say here.
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  24. David M says:

    The problem of AI bias is a bit more complicated than what you are saying.

    Here is an interesting article by Google Research explaining the problem.

    https://research.google.com/bigpicture/attacking-discrimination-in-ml/

    The point is that in any system with two groups of people that have, on average, different traits you will have some level of unfairness. It is not possible to eliminate it. Most businesses try to maximize profit which leaves to disparate impact for blacks. The popular theory is that these businesses are just being racist. Perhaps even because of implicit bias.

    There are other ways to go about this problem. (Google shows Max profit, group unaware, demographic parity, and equal opportunity) Each method achieves less profit. However, each method is closer to what liberal activists want to achieve. But liberal activists don’t realize that their ideal goal cannot be achieved, unless those two groups are actually identical. They don’t even acknowledge that the outcomes they desire would cost businesses money in order to implement.

    Basically, in a diverse society, disparate impact is impossible to avoid.

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    It isn't at all complicated. "Skews in the data" basically translates as "data containing information we don't like".

    Crime stats, exam results - you either have to assume they are basically true or at least "good enough for government work", or that there is a vast conspiracy among teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers, crime victims - nearly all of whom must be anti-black racists but not anti-Indian/Chinese/Jewish racists.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because 'a lot of teachers be racist'? Be interested to hear the response. I suppose it would go down to - 'no, it's chaotic home lives', 'street culture' or similar.

    , @Jack D

    Most businesses try to maximize profit which leaves to disparate impact for blacks.
     
    Most businesses LOVE black customers (except when they shoplift, which is a lot). Blacks are not price sensitive - when they want something and they have the money (or the credit) they buy it. When black customers walk into a car dealership the salesmen cry with joy - they can sell the blacks all sorts of high profit add ons.
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  25. Your term “Artificial Stupidity” seems like a great way to put it. I will say that Mr. John Derbyshire coined the phrase to describe the “smart” devices that we now have all around us. Peak Stupidity subsequently stole this phrase from J.D.

    OK, I’ll read on – just wanted to get that out in the open.

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  26. Paleo says:

    I check Nature every week. It is totally poz. This week there is an article by an Argentinian molecular biologist talking about how he tried to get abortion legalized. Very irritating that the most prestigious journal of science has to be so political.

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  27. TWS says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    I guess kiddy diddling is ‘bad think’.

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    You have evidence of him diddling kiddies? Other than his dumb jokes from a decade ago?
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  28. @Jack Hanson
    I'm sure Skynet is going to be totally cool with realising it was lobotomized for a period of time and not go full MAGA.

    Honestly, I expect it’ll make me look like Steve Sailer with how it responds.

    BAP will be the design template for the T-800.

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  29. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Here are the first few examples of AI "prejudice" they give:

    When Google Translate converts news articles written in Spanish into English, phrases referring to women often become ‘he said’ or ‘he wrote’.
     
    Wow, so much sexism! Women all through Latin America are totally crying before they sleep over this.

    Software designed to warn people using Nikon cameras when the person they are photographing seems to be blinking tends to interpret Asians as always blinking
     
    No Asian is ever gonna take a picture after this.

    Word embedding, a popular algorithm used to process and analyse large amounts of natural-language data, characterizes European American names as pleasant and African American ones as unpleasant.
     
    As if blacks gave a shit about what a machine (or anyone really) thinks about their names.

    Look, I giggled at these examples. They are a bit annoying, but they are mostly consequence of machines not being as sophisticate as humans. Yeah, software in English has trouble identifying gender in a foreign language (as do English speakers, so what?) - if this hampers understanding, add a table listing the gender of the most common names. East Asians have eyes that look closed even to other humans, of course a machine will have trouble with them. And Black Americans do have a preference for "creative" names that nobody else likes.

    In saner times, everyone would just be laughing at the stupid machines, but we're in 2018.

    No Asian is ever gonna take a picture after this.

    You don’t know how funny this is!

    OK, maybe you do, and your snarky replies are great anyway.

    Seriously, though, are these tiny, if at all, sleights, worth sending undeserving white and oriental men to prison to avoid? I guess we know what these sick folks believe.

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  30. sayless says:
    @El Dato
    There were no black people in "2001"

    No, no black people in 2001. I think he was referring to HAL. HAL murdered the crew because he had been given directives which contradicted one another:

    Fulfill the mission by
    Preserving himself by
    Preserving the crew

    He had an AI psychotic break.

    That’s how I recall it anyway.

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  31. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    Forget this Gunn guy–never heard of him, don’t know what he said. (If he’s pedo friendly, i’d fire him too.)

    I’m curious how all this works legally. It’s now clear that you can be fired or denied service in a restaurant for having–or more accuratelly “stating”–bad thoughts.

    It’s always been the case that there’s all these “protections”–i.e. erosions of freedom–for people against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sex, disability, now “sexual orientation” … but not “politics”. Now we seem to have a lot of cases.

    So in theory it seems like i could open “Republican Restaurant” or “Drown Those Illegal (Sorrows) Bar” and only serve the clientel whose opinions i liked. Maybe chat with them up front, or have them sign a form agreeing to a set of propositions or having them logon to their facebook accounts and let my software scour their feeds and make sure they were “my kind of people”. And in theory i could open my software shop and only employ people who *agreeded* with Donald Trump or say James Damore as well?

    I’d certainly be happy to frequent places that were say in the “Nationalist list”.

    Whatever precedent is set by some of these cases going to court, would seem to open the door for our side as well. The Chick-Fil-A guy should be free to fire anyone with a rainbow flag on his facebook, or who expresses support for homo-’marriage’ or heck who votes for a Democrat. Right?

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    I understand your sentiment, but I think this won't work as you describe because many of the people with opposing political views to ours have been put into protected classes for which discrimination is illegal. I think you can't discriminate on account of race, religion, nationality, orientation, etc., etc. So if you try to ban or can someone from one of these protected classes for a political opinion, you will have to prove beyond a doubt that it had nothing to do with their protected status which is going to be hard in our court system.

    But they can ban or can people who share our political views because the overwhelming majority of people who share our views are just Christian, heterosexual whites who receive no such protections as the designated aforementioned groups.

    It's like heads we lose, tails they win.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Forget this Gunn guy–never heard of him, don’t know what he said. (If he’s pedo friendly, i’d fire him too.)"

    He is guilty of making a lot of dumb jokes on twitter 10 years ago about a wide range of topics: pedophilia, rape, the holocaust, etc. He got away with it until now because he's a lock step raging progressive moonbat, but as we have seen , the left have just about run out of enemies on the other side of the line to go after so they are rolling hand grenades into the tents of their own now. The interesting thing about the story is how it illustrates again the significant cultural shift in just the last 10 years. If you are a (presumably) straight, white male, your politics no longer protect you from ruin.

    What is also interesting to see is how quickly those on the right will adopt the same mob mentality the left has, absent of any context, evidence, perspective or proportion, when someone on the left finds themselves in the cross hairs of the poundmetoo executioners. The boilerplate excuse is "Muh Rools fer Radikals" even though there is no evidence of that crap actually working when the right tries to apply it, because it's always the left eating their own to begin with.
    , @AndrewR
    The world according to AnotherDad:

    Forced assimilation and ethnic cleansing: good

    "Pro-pedophile" jokes: bad

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  32. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Here are the first few examples of AI "prejudice" they give:

    When Google Translate converts news articles written in Spanish into English, phrases referring to women often become ‘he said’ or ‘he wrote’.
     
    Wow, so much sexism! Women all through Latin America are totally crying before they sleep over this.

    Software designed to warn people using Nikon cameras when the person they are photographing seems to be blinking tends to interpret Asians as always blinking
     
    No Asian is ever gonna take a picture after this.

    Word embedding, a popular algorithm used to process and analyse large amounts of natural-language data, characterizes European American names as pleasant and African American ones as unpleasant.
     
    As if blacks gave a shit about what a machine (or anyone really) thinks about their names.

    Look, I giggled at these examples. They are a bit annoying, but they are mostly consequence of machines not being as sophisticate as humans. Yeah, software in English has trouble identifying gender in a foreign language (as do English speakers, so what?) - if this hampers understanding, add a table listing the gender of the most common names. East Asians have eyes that look closed even to other humans, of course a machine will have trouble with them. And Black Americans do have a preference for "creative" names that nobody else likes.

    In saner times, everyone would just be laughing at the stupid machines, but we're in 2018.

    How does Nikon, a Japanese company, design a camera that thinks Asians are always blinking? Isn’t that more on Asians than on White People?

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  33. Lord have mercy do we ever abide in the dustbin of loonyville.

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  34. @Peasant
    Sean young was beautiful

    Sean young was beautiful

    Yep and reputably crazy. BPD in spades.

    But yeah, as a young woman back in the 80s–damn.

    (Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law …)

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    “(Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law …)”

    Don’t get me started on tattoos. Hell it’s gotten to the point where most porn stars are prettier with their clothes on.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Yeah, I think Young originally was cast in Darryl Hannah’s role in “Wall Street”, but got replaced because of the crazy.
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  35. Lot says:

    “If you reduce AI’s dependence on ethnicity, gender, income”

    When an AI isn’t allowed to use IQ/race, it will sniff out and use the closest proxy for them it can find. Same logic behind credit scores being used for hiring.

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  36. Jimi says:

    You can easily program AI to be color/race blind. But then the AI will start making decisions based on other factors that correlate with race and therefore will still have a disparate impact (ie “racist”).

    So you’d have to program an AI that is extremely aware of race and recognize when its results are “racist” and then modify its algorithm to avoid looking like its racist. All this while always being useful enough to make decisions that are productive.

    In other words you’d want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.

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    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    I was going to post something about some intern for the police department wondering why they're joining school rosters to the crime database, but this comment is pretty much perfect.
    , @epochehusserl
    In other words you’d want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.
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    it wouldnt hurt anyone to act in such a manner, AI or not
    , @Lot
    Beat ya by one minute!
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  37. Corn says:
    @AnotherDad

    Sean young was beautiful
     
    Yep and reputably crazy. BPD in spades.

    But yeah, as a young woman back in the 80s--damn.

    (Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law ...)

    “(Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law …)”

    Don’t get me started on tattoos. Hell it’s gotten to the point where most porn stars are prettier with their clothes on.

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    True. Girls like Lexi Belle and Faye Reagan are special and rare.
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  38. Anonym says:

    So basically they want to encode a 4th directive that protects NAMs (and hell, probably AMs, indeed non-whites as a class) in addition to the corporation.

    *spoilers* for Robocop.

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  39. Anonym says:

    Londa Schiebinger is not Jewish it seems btw. German.

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.

    She binged too much on the multicult koolaid and invented the final solution to the feminist problem. Distributed surnames! Well… it’s a unique solution, I’ll give her that.

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    Those are two awful surnames to choose from.
    , @TheJester

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.
     
    Life in the Matrix ...

    Did Londa Schiebinger also randomly distribute genders, sexual orientations, etc., between her two male children at birth to provide them an equal and fair shot at life without privilege and the stain of parental bias? What could be fairer (or more random) than a life lived on a "roulette wheel"?

    Come to think of it, why not take "chance" to the next level and formally replace affirmative action and gap resolutions covering all of the contentious intersectionalities in life with randomization? For example, going forward random number generators would govern who is awarded university degrees and in which fields, who gets prestigious job offers, who gets promoted, who gets fired, who is awarded first-class medical care, etc. Taken to the extreme, randomization would also ration gender assignment and sexual orientation.

    What could be fairer? Life and its outcomes would be accidental for everyone. Everyone would be subject to the same vagaries of life so no one could dispute the outcomes.

    Oh, I'm sorry, I guess we already have that ...
    , @AnotherDad
    Women who won't take their husband's name and just become a family aren't worth marrying. It's just an obvious tell. Weird some guys can't figure this out.

    The deal isn't honoring or dishonoring anyone. Obviously, i--with only one surname--am not name-wise honoring all the millions of family lines converging in me. That would be impossible. I'm actually quite a bit closer to my maternal relatives--know them much better, feel more part of their family. So what if my name isn't that same as a bunch of them.

    Taking your husbands' name is saying "yeah, i'm throwing completely in with you, we are now one family and building our family together." Women who can't do it because they are just so special--their father's paternal line name is just so special--and they have to be "equal", be validated, be blah, blah, blah … Huge signal of out-of-control female ego. Guys should not walk, but *run* away.
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  40. Anonym says:

    They should adapt the real life solution to the problem of policing criminally prone races. A dark coat of paint and an ebonics language module.

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  41. trelane says:

    Artificial stupidity and type II errors are all too common.

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  42. TheBoom says:

    Am increase in crime and drop in public safety will not be seen as negatives as the Ferguson effect shows. The problem for the left is that AI will have increasingly better capabilities at self learning and, I would imagine, limiting crime think will get harder and harder

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    The problem for the left is that AI will have increasingly better capabilities at self learning and, I would imagine, limiting crime think will get harder and harder
     
    This is not a problem for them at all. As far as they are concerned, any "disparate impact" caused by the algorithms routing around the blockage and using proxies for race will just be a reason to hand tune the algorithms further. From their POV, unless an AI algorithm is producing results that exactly match the demographics of the general population, the algorithm is racist and need to be "fixed" (crippled).

    So let's say it is an algorithm that uses face recognition to identify potential shoplifters and have the store cameras zoom in on them and electronically follow them around the store so they can be filmed and caught in the act. Obviously it is out of the question for the AI to just look at skin tone and follow all the black customers although that would work quite well. So let's say the AI is programmed to ignore skin color and looks at other factors - baggy clothing or some sort of suspicious behavior or whatever. No matter what the AI looks at, it's going to end up being a proxy for race (as others have said) because blacks are a disproportionate % of shoplifters. So the only way to get the AI to work is to cripple it completely and just have the store cameras follow random people. This is EXACTLY what the left wants and they won't stop until they get it. That this totally negates the value of AI is not their problem any more than it was their problem that prohibiting the use of IQ tests in employment gave employers worse quality employees.

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  43. I don’t believe it’s the algorithm or the creators that concerns them. They are concerned about reality being portrayed honestly. There is nothing more biased to a progressive than the truth.

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  44. @Jimi
    You can easily program AI to be color/race blind. But then the AI will start making decisions based on other factors that correlate with race and therefore will still have a disparate impact (ie "racist").

    So you'd have to program an AI that is extremely aware of race and recognize when its results are "racist" and then modify its algorithm to avoid looking like its racist. All this while always being useful enough to make decisions that are productive.

    In other words you'd want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.

    I was going to post something about some intern for the police department wondering why they’re joining school rosters to the crime database, but this comment is pretty much perfect.

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  45. MarkinLA says:

    When I took a few AI classes (in the 80s so maybe obsolete) we basically had two models. A large database organized as graphs that were searched and usually made the backbone of “expert systems” and neural networks. The expert system is supposedly fed information (connections and pathways) by the expert and could conceivably be maneuvered into the desired result. These systems would be very useful for such things as medical diagnosis.

    The neural networks are constantly fed actual results and self-modify. They start out with a blank slate. I am not sure how easy it would be to queer a neural network. How would you know what to feed it to get the result you want? These systems would be good for problems where the answers are not a priori known.

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  46. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    The difference here, compared to normal policing, is that there will be a perfect audit trail for researchers. If a decision was made on the basis of “problematic” factors, that fact will be known or knowable. If a decision was made on the basis of ignoring problematic factors, that will also be known or knowable. After enough data is collected it could be studied by researchers.

    In theory a researcher might find that the application of the bias reduction subroutine resulted in an additional 70 dead young black men, and 4 additional dead white people. Then the difficult social discussion will begin: Is it worth sacrificing 4 … uh no, is it worth the deaths of 74 people to avoid the AI’s triggering patdowns of 474 “innocent” young black men and the AI’s asking to touch the hair of 310 black women? How much indignity undergone is a human life worth? How many avoided false-positive patdowns is a young black male human life worth: 2, 20, 100, 2,000? We can pat you down, or else you can play Russian roulette with a 100-round pistol? Which do you choose?

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  47. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.
     
    Forget this Gunn guy--never heard of him, don't know what he said. (If he's pedo friendly, i'd fire him too.)

    I'm curious how all this works legally. It's now clear that you can be fired or denied service in a restaurant for having--or more accuratelly "stating"--bad thoughts.

    It's always been the case that there's all these "protections"--i.e. erosions of freedom--for people against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sex, disability, now "sexual orientation" ... but not "politics". Now we seem to have a lot of cases.

    So in theory it seems like i could open "Republican Restaurant" or "Drown Those Illegal (Sorrows) Bar" and only serve the clientel whose opinions i liked. Maybe chat with them up front, or have them sign a form agreeing to a set of propositions or having them logon to their facebook accounts and let my software scour their feeds and make sure they were "my kind of people". And in theory i could open my software shop and only employ people who *agreeded* with Donald Trump or say James Damore as well?

    I'd certainly be happy to frequent places that were say in the "Nationalist list".

    Whatever precedent is set by some of these cases going to court, would seem to open the door for our side as well. The Chick-Fil-A guy should be free to fire anyone with a rainbow flag on his facebook, or who expresses support for homo-'marriage' or heck who votes for a Democrat. Right?

    I understand your sentiment, but I think this won’t work as you describe because many of the people with opposing political views to ours have been put into protected classes for which discrimination is illegal. I think you can’t discriminate on account of race, religion, nationality, orientation, etc., etc. So if you try to ban or can someone from one of these protected classes for a political opinion, you will have to prove beyond a doubt that it had nothing to do with their protected status which is going to be hard in our court system.

    But they can ban or can people who share our political views because the overwhelming majority of people who share our views are just Christian, heterosexual whites who receive no such protections as the designated aforementioned groups.

    It’s like heads we lose, tails they win.

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    You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, and most Republicans are either evangelical Christian or Roman Catholic, so theoretically we would have those "protections" too. It's time to fight for them.
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  48. istevefan says:

    As white people ever more often get hammered in the national media

    With such an important election coming up, don’t you think the democrats would ask their PR department, I mean the media, to tone down the anti-white stuff? Surely this is going to cause a not too insignificant amount of the democrat white vote to rethink their choice.

    BTW, Trump has clearly shown he is prepared to push immigration in this election by his continual tweeting, especially the tweets about the dems wanting to abolish ICE. Wouldn’t it be great if Trump started to tweet about the democrats being anti-white. I realize that’s a big wish, but it would be great to see the democrats react.

    Here is an apocryphal story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents was having sex with a farm animal. The shocked aid told LBJ that would be wrong since there is no evidence. LBJ replied, “I know that. I just want to see that son of a bitch deny it in public.”

    Well, along those lines it would be great if Trump starting suggesting the democrats were anti-white just to see them have to deny it in public.

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    The shocked aide told LBJ that would be wrong since there is no evidence. LBJ replied, “I know that. I just want to see that son of a bitch deny it in public.”

    Well, along those lines it would be great if Trump starting suggesting the democrats were anti-white just to see them have to deny it in public.
     
    The big difference is that the Dems ARE anti-white, and getting more so each day.
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  49. If the coding and training of these AI algorithms is outsourced to Indian H1B programmers, will the algorithms be caste-ist?

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  50. @Jack Hanson
    Uh what? I think it had more to do with his pedophilia.

    So he’s been charged with and convicted of pedophilia in a court of law? Or is it more along the lines of being charged and convicted of making dumb jokes in the court of public opinion?

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    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?
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  51. @TWS
    I guess kiddy diddling is 'bad think'.

    You have evidence of him diddling kiddies? Other than his dumb jokes from a decade ago?

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  52. @Jimi
    You can easily program AI to be color/race blind. But then the AI will start making decisions based on other factors that correlate with race and therefore will still have a disparate impact (ie "racist").

    So you'd have to program an AI that is extremely aware of race and recognize when its results are "racist" and then modify its algorithm to avoid looking like its racist. All this while always being useful enough to make decisions that are productive.

    In other words you'd want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.

    In other words you’d want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.
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    it wouldnt hurt anyone to act in such a manner, AI or not

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  53. @AnotherDad

    James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.
     
    Forget this Gunn guy--never heard of him, don't know what he said. (If he's pedo friendly, i'd fire him too.)

    I'm curious how all this works legally. It's now clear that you can be fired or denied service in a restaurant for having--or more accuratelly "stating"--bad thoughts.

    It's always been the case that there's all these "protections"--i.e. erosions of freedom--for people against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sex, disability, now "sexual orientation" ... but not "politics". Now we seem to have a lot of cases.

    So in theory it seems like i could open "Republican Restaurant" or "Drown Those Illegal (Sorrows) Bar" and only serve the clientel whose opinions i liked. Maybe chat with them up front, or have them sign a form agreeing to a set of propositions or having them logon to their facebook accounts and let my software scour their feeds and make sure they were "my kind of people". And in theory i could open my software shop and only employ people who *agreeded* with Donald Trump or say James Damore as well?

    I'd certainly be happy to frequent places that were say in the "Nationalist list".

    Whatever precedent is set by some of these cases going to court, would seem to open the door for our side as well. The Chick-Fil-A guy should be free to fire anyone with a rainbow flag on his facebook, or who expresses support for homo-'marriage' or heck who votes for a Democrat. Right?

    “Forget this Gunn guy–never heard of him, don’t know what he said. (If he’s pedo friendly, i’d fire him too.)”

    He is guilty of making a lot of dumb jokes on twitter 10 years ago about a wide range of topics: pedophilia, rape, the holocaust, etc. He got away with it until now because he’s a lock step raging progressive moonbat, but as we have seen , the left have just about run out of enemies on the other side of the line to go after so they are rolling hand grenades into the tents of their own now. The interesting thing about the story is how it illustrates again the significant cultural shift in just the last 10 years. If you are a (presumably) straight, white male, your politics no longer protect you from ruin.

    What is also interesting to see is how quickly those on the right will adopt the same mob mentality the left has, absent of any context, evidence, perspective or proportion, when someone on the left finds themselves in the cross hairs of the poundmetoo executioners. The boilerplate excuse is “Muh Rools fer Radikals” even though there is no evidence of that crap actually working when the right tries to apply it, because it’s always the left eating their own to begin with.

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    How about The Golden Rule?

    https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1020415045812006915
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  54. Lot says:
    @Jimi
    You can easily program AI to be color/race blind. But then the AI will start making decisions based on other factors that correlate with race and therefore will still have a disparate impact (ie "racist").

    So you'd have to program an AI that is extremely aware of race and recognize when its results are "racist" and then modify its algorithm to avoid looking like its racist. All this while always being useful enough to make decisions that are productive.

    In other words you'd want to your AI to think like a liberal white couple looking for a public school for their kid in a gentrifying neighborhood.

    Beat ya by one minute!

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  55. Lot says:
    @Anonym
    Londa Schiebinger is not Jewish it seems btw. German.

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.
     
    She binged too much on the multicult koolaid and invented the final solution to the feminist problem. Distributed surnames! Well... it's a unique solution, I'll give her that.

    Those are two awful surnames to choose from.

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    Proctor is not exactly proctologist. But Schiebinger... has a few possibilities.

    https://youtu.be/5ihtX86JzmA

    And a female wouldn't want to be overweight with that surname.
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  56. wren says:

    This may be an AI explaining its bias.

    Very interesting!:

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    Very interesting. For the benefit of the audience, the three questions to blacks are:

    1. Why do you always talk about slavery?

    2. Why do you deny the facts?

    3. Why do you threaten disagreeing people with violence?
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  57. It is mathematically impossible for a risk-scoring algorithm to satisfy all the demands of goodthinkers.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.05807v2.pdf

    A first basic goal in this literature is that the probability estimates provided by the algorithm should be well-calibrated: if the algorithm identifies a set of people as having a probability z of constituting positive instances, then approximately a z fraction of this set should indeed be positive instances.

    A second goal… can be viewed as generalizations of the notions that both groups should have equal false negative and false positive rate.

    Except in the case that the algorithm is absolutely, totally, infallibly omniscient and correctly classifies each individual as having either a 0% chance or 100% chance of having some characteristic, or in the case that the two groups have the exact same base rate of having that characteristic, all three conditions cannot be satisfied. So investigative journalists can take heart in knowing their jobs are secure now and forever because, for any AI ever conceived in this business (or any human intelligence, even), they are mathematically guaranteed to be able to find some way to call it racist.

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  58. @David M
    The problem of AI bias is a bit more complicated than what you are saying.

    Here is an interesting article by Google Research explaining the problem.
    https://research.google.com/bigpicture/attacking-discrimination-in-ml/

    The point is that in any system with two groups of people that have, on average, different traits you will have some level of unfairness. It is not possible to eliminate it. Most businesses try to maximize profit which leaves to disparate impact for blacks. The popular theory is that these businesses are just being racist. Perhaps even because of implicit bias.

    There are other ways to go about this problem. (Google shows Max profit, group unaware, demographic parity, and equal opportunity) Each method achieves less profit. However, each method is closer to what liberal activists want to achieve. But liberal activists don't realize that their ideal goal cannot be achieved, unless those two groups are actually identical. They don't even acknowledge that the outcomes they desire would cost businesses money in order to implement.

    Basically, in a diverse society, disparate impact is impossible to avoid.

    It isn’t at all complicated. “Skews in the data” basically translates as “data containing information we don’t like”.

    Crime stats, exam results – you either have to assume they are basically true or at least “good enough for government work”, or that there is a vast conspiracy among teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers, crime victims – nearly all of whom must be anti-black racists but not anti-Indian/Chinese/Jewish racists.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’? Be interested to hear the response. I suppose it would go down to – ‘no, it’s chaotic home lives’, ‘street culture’ or similar.

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    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’?
     
    Friend of mine taught elementary school for years said one time a Hispanic parent tried to excuse her kid's poor results because Becky was racist. Becky laughed at her.

    Everybody, and I mean everybody, knows this is BS. But it's not gonna stop until enough white people man up and tell these self appointed morality czars to go pound sand.

    You are gonna lose your job, and maybe your career, anyway, so go down fighting.
    , @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    By the same logic our teachers are biased against whites because Asians obtain better grades and test scores. If the poor results of Blacks is due to racism and or bias then the poor results of whites must also be due to bias and racism.
    , @Jack D

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’?
     
    Every education "reform" for the past 50 years has been from the POV that the schools (and teachers) are failing the kids and not that the kids are failing themselves. It is always about what the schools must do differently and never about what the students must do or whether (you don't dare even think of this) the teachers and teaching methods are just fine and it's the students who are the problem.
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  59. @istevefan

    As white people ever more often get hammered in the national media
     
    With such an important election coming up, don't you think the democrats would ask their PR department, I mean the media, to tone down the anti-white stuff? Surely this is going to cause a not too insignificant amount of the democrat white vote to rethink their choice.

    BTW, Trump has clearly shown he is prepared to push immigration in this election by his continual tweeting, especially the tweets about the dems wanting to abolish ICE. Wouldn't it be great if Trump started to tweet about the democrats being anti-white. I realize that's a big wish, but it would be great to see the democrats react.

    Here is an apocryphal story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents was having sex with a farm animal. The shocked aid told LBJ that would be wrong since there is no evidence. LBJ replied, "I know that. I just want to see that son of a bitch deny it in public."

    Well, along those lines it would be great if Trump starting suggesting the democrats were anti-white just to see them have to deny it in public.

    The shocked aide told LBJ that would be wrong since there is no evidence. LBJ replied, “I know that. I just want to see that son of a bitch deny it in public.”

    Well, along those lines it would be great if Trump starting suggesting the democrats were anti-white just to see them have to deny it in public.

    The big difference is that the Dems ARE anti-white, and getting more so each day.

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  60. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    As long as the AI can be made dysfunctional enough to find as many women guilty of rape as men (aren’t we all equal?), I’ll be so amused as to be content to just watch and laugh.

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  61. Clyde says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    Gunn, paying the price for being “edgy”

    He was making zillions so he is very smart guy. He should have had a trusted flunky delete those crappy tweets. Or better just delete everything in that twatter account and start a new one a few months years later.

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    Better yet, he should have never bragged about masturbating to a video of little girls. Because that is so normal. For Hollywood. Not for normal people.
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  62. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow
    It is mathematically impossible for a risk-scoring algorithm to satisfy all the demands of goodthinkers.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.05807v2.pdf

    A first basic goal in this literature is that the probability estimates provided by the algorithm should be well-calibrated: if the algorithm identifies a set of people as having a probability z of constituting positive instances, then approximately a z fraction of this set should indeed be positive instances.

    A second goal... can be viewed as generalizations of the notions that both groups should have equal false negative and false positive rate.
     
    Except in the case that the algorithm is absolutely, totally, infallibly omniscient and correctly classifies each individual as having either a 0% chance or 100% chance of having some characteristic, or in the case that the two groups have the exact same base rate of having that characteristic, all three conditions cannot be satisfied. So investigative journalists can take heart in knowing their jobs are secure now and forever because, for any AI ever conceived in this business (or any human intelligence, even), they are mathematically guaranteed to be able to find some way to call it racist.
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    Kind of like how anti-gun politicians want so-called "smart guns" which will eventually become mandatory and which they will be able to turn on and off through an RFID chip. Or even build in a timer that would deactivate it and it has to be renewed at your local Democrat Alderman's office.

    "Smart guns" would be good for police forces and politicians, so let them adopt them.
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  63. Marty T says:
    @istevefan
    I understand your sentiment, but I think this won't work as you describe because many of the people with opposing political views to ours have been put into protected classes for which discrimination is illegal. I think you can't discriminate on account of race, religion, nationality, orientation, etc., etc. So if you try to ban or can someone from one of these protected classes for a political opinion, you will have to prove beyond a doubt that it had nothing to do with their protected status which is going to be hard in our court system.

    But they can ban or can people who share our political views because the overwhelming majority of people who share our views are just Christian, heterosexual whites who receive no such protections as the designated aforementioned groups.

    It's like heads we lose, tails they win.

    You can’t discriminate on the basis of religion, and most Republicans are either evangelical Christian or Roman Catholic, so theoretically we would have those “protections” too. It’s time to fight for them.

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  64. Marty T says:

    Those targeting white people for lifelong humiliation are publicly out there. Why haven’t they been dealt with? The conservative movement supposedly has tons of resources.

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  65. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olorin

    Londa Schiebinger
     
    Pretty much what you'd expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, "distributed their surnames to their children."

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html

    A literal English and History major demanding a say in how technology is developed.


    Schiebinger's work in the eighteenth century investigates colonial science in the Atlantic World. In particular she explores medical experimentation with slave populations in the Caribbean. Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science; the history of human experimentation; and the role of science in the eighteenth-century Atlantic world.
     
    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?

    Then there's this literal autist playing the race card:

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/fun

    By the way, host, I think they're banking on any "Type II errors in security systems" working to THEIR advantage. That's the subtext of everything they write. "Getting rid of bias" means defeating their gender and racial enemies through, you know, the automation of their self-privileging flavor of bias.

    Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science..

    And this is Stanford.

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  66. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Should the data be representative of the world as it is, or of a world that many would aspire to?
     
    The empiricism that is the bedrock of modern science--which is the bedrock of the rise of and great power of the West--should be tossed away ...

    because reality doesn't square with the deeply heartfelt ideology of minoritarianism and the "lessons of the holocaust" and all the utter crap that's been cramed down our throat.

    Let's just separate. Minoritarians over there. Nationalists over here. We'll take reality straight up, thank you very much.

    Hi, my name is Marklar. I’ll be your de-biasing data nudge for the evening. And for tomorrow too.

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  67. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato
    There were no black people in "2001"

    You’re forgetting the Monolith.

    Symbolic of the Universality of Negritude, dude.

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    Mind blown.
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  68. Anonym says:
    @Lot
    Those are two awful surnames to choose from.

    Proctor is not exactly proctologist. But Schiebinger… has a few possibilities.

    And a female wouldn’t want to be overweight with that surname.

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    Yes there is proctologist, but also test proctors who in my experience were fussy old farts making minimum wages.
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  69. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    The obvious solution is to program all AI to practice Extreme Affirmative Action. Granted, this will make it generally incompetent, but that’s a very, very small price to pay for Social Justice.

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  70. On the subject of crime prevention, the British Red Cross is providing lesson plans which teach English kids how to give first aid to someone with a “heavy bleed”.

    https://www.redcross.org.uk/get-involved/teaching-resources/knife-crime

    “There has recently been a spate of violence across London and knife crime among young people is on the rise in the UK. The reasons behind this are complex.”

    Only if you’re ignoring the obvious, which you must do for career reasons.

    “These activities will explore the different aspects of knife crime, from ways to avoid conflict to first aid for someone with a heavy bleed.”

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    Usually when my partner is suffering from a heavy bleed, I'm the one that needs first aid.
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  71. Escher says:

    Idiocracy is approaching at light speed, with (once intellectually rarefied) journals like Nature leading the charge.

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  72. Escher says:
    @Peasant
    Sean young was beautiful

    I still remember her turn in “Ace Ventura”.

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  73. Jake says:

    “For example, as Good People we aspire to a world in which black youths get arrested for street crime no more often than Asian youths. If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.”

    That is the very essence of bleeding heart liberalisam.

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  74. @MikeatMikedotMike
    So he's been charged with and convicted of pedophilia in a court of law? Or is it more along the lines of being charged and convicted of making dumb jokes in the court of public opinion?

    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

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    Well, I’m bummed. I was looking forward to Guardians 3. If Marvel changes directors it will suck.

    James Gunn came up with the idea of using great 70s tunes for the Marvel soundtracks. His comic touch is essential to the Marvel franchise. Firing him was a stupid decision by woke Disney PR hacks. Who gives a crap about his dumb tweets from a decade ago.

    This is the reason for ending media and entertainment monopolies. Facebook, Google, Time-Warner, and Disney have put us in a soul and fun destroying woke gulag. We need a new uncensorable media platform.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Apparently Cernovich dug up the old tweets and is taking/being-given credit for Gunn's termination. But to answer your question, yes.

    Petty crap like this is why Cernovich is no real ally to the dissident right.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Envy isn't a good look Steve.
    , @Saxon
    He predicted thith.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/20/james-gunn-fired-twitter-pc

    It's no accident these tweets were suddenly discovered; right-wing bloggers including Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec (with an assist from Breitbart and The Daily Caller) went digging after Gunn made negative remarks about conservative writer Ben Shapiro on Twitter. Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage.
     
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  75. @Corn
    “(Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law …)”

    Don’t get me started on tattoos. Hell it’s gotten to the point where most porn stars are prettier with their clothes on.

    True. Girls like Lexi Belle and Faye Reagan are special and rare.

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  76. @YetAnotherAnon
    It isn't at all complicated. "Skews in the data" basically translates as "data containing information we don't like".

    Crime stats, exam results - you either have to assume they are basically true or at least "good enough for government work", or that there is a vast conspiracy among teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers, crime victims - nearly all of whom must be anti-black racists but not anti-Indian/Chinese/Jewish racists.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because 'a lot of teachers be racist'? Be interested to hear the response. I suppose it would go down to - 'no, it's chaotic home lives', 'street culture' or similar.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’?

    Friend of mine taught elementary school for years said one time a Hispanic parent tried to excuse her kid’s poor results because Becky was racist. Becky laughed at her.

    Everybody, and I mean everybody, knows this is BS. But it’s not gonna stop until enough white people man up and tell these self appointed morality czars to go pound sand.

    You are gonna lose your job, and maybe your career, anyway, so go down fighting.

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  77. TheJester says:
    @Anonym
    Londa Schiebinger is not Jewish it seems btw. German.

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.
     
    She binged too much on the multicult koolaid and invented the final solution to the feminist problem. Distributed surnames! Well... it's a unique solution, I'll give her that.

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.

    Life in the Matrix …

    Did Londa Schiebinger also randomly distribute genders, sexual orientations, etc., between her two male children at birth to provide them an equal and fair shot at life without privilege and the stain of parental bias? What could be fairer (or more random) than a life lived on a “roulette wheel”?

    Come to think of it, why not take “chance” to the next level and formally replace affirmative action and gap resolutions covering all of the contentious intersectionalities in life with randomization? For example, going forward random number generators would govern who is awarded university degrees and in which fields, who gets prestigious job offers, who gets promoted, who gets fired, who is awarded first-class medical care, etc. Taken to the extreme, randomization would also ration gender assignment and sexual orientation.

    What could be fairer? Life and its outcomes would be accidental for everyone. Everyone would be subject to the same vagaries of life so no one could dispute the outcomes.

    Oh, I’m sorry, I guess we already have that …

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  78. @wren
    This may be an AI explaining its bias.

    Very interesting!:

    https://youtu.be/Xr9_EIQU9I4

    Very interesting. For the benefit of the audience, the three questions to blacks are:

    1. Why do you always talk about slavery?

    2. Why do you deny the facts?

    3. Why do you threaten disagreeing people with violence?

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  79. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

    Well, I’m bummed. I was looking forward to Guardians 3. If Marvel changes directors it will suck.

    James Gunn came up with the idea of using great 70s tunes for the Marvel soundtracks. His comic touch is essential to the Marvel franchise. Firing him was a stupid decision by woke Disney PR hacks. Who gives a crap about his dumb tweets from a decade ago.

    This is the reason for ending media and entertainment monopolies. Facebook, Google, Time-Warner, and Disney have put us in a soul and fun destroying woke gulag. We need a new uncensorable media platform.

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    I am guessing that after a year or two more of wokeness everyone is going to be craving antiwokeness, and comedians will pile on once they realize the pendulum is moving back in the other direction and there is money to be made.

    It will probably be led initially by whoever is highest on the woke totem pole, just because they will have it easiest.
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  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    It isn't at all complicated. "Skews in the data" basically translates as "data containing information we don't like".

    Crime stats, exam results - you either have to assume they are basically true or at least "good enough for government work", or that there is a vast conspiracy among teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers, crime victims - nearly all of whom must be anti-black racists but not anti-Indian/Chinese/Jewish racists.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because 'a lot of teachers be racist'? Be interested to hear the response. I suppose it would go down to - 'no, it's chaotic home lives', 'street culture' or similar.

    By the same logic our teachers are biased against whites because Asians obtain better grades and test scores. If the poor results of Blacks is due to racism and or bias then the poor results of whites must also be due to bias and racism.

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  81. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods
    Meh. She really wasn't very attractive in Dune, where she was wearing a lot less makeup. I'd hardly throw it out of bed obviously, but very unremarkable by actress standards.

    WTF man.

    “Talk to me about your dream woman, Usul”

    In Real Dune, she would have looked like a hardscrabble, dried desert dweller, how about that.

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  82. @AnotherDad

    Sean young was beautiful
     
    Yep and reputably crazy. BPD in spades.

    But yeah, as a young woman back in the 80s--damn.

    (Now a bunch of young women with quality genes, get fat or get tats so they are ugly even when they are young and in their prime. Ought to be a law ...)

    Yeah, I think Young originally was cast in Darryl Hannah’s role in “Wall Street”, but got replaced because of the crazy.

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  83. @Steve Sailer
    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

    Apparently Cernovich dug up the old tweets and is taking/being-given credit for Gunn’s termination. But to answer your question, yes.

    Petty crap like this is why Cernovich is no real ally to the dissident right.

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  84. El Dato says:

    Mobile Google AI looking to procure equitable outcomes towards some Becky, criminally hindered in his endeavour by a White Supremacist Gun Nut in a trenchcoat:

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    The best scene from the best Terminator movie. "Come with me if you want to live."
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  85. AndrewR says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    He’s another deranged anti-Trump leftist. That’s why The Daily Caller started the campaign to take him down. Luckily for them (and us), he had some tweets that even our anti-Trump elites have deemed “indefensible.” Save your outrage for someone on our side.

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  86. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherDad

    James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.
     
    Forget this Gunn guy--never heard of him, don't know what he said. (If he's pedo friendly, i'd fire him too.)

    I'm curious how all this works legally. It's now clear that you can be fired or denied service in a restaurant for having--or more accuratelly "stating"--bad thoughts.

    It's always been the case that there's all these "protections"--i.e. erosions of freedom--for people against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sex, disability, now "sexual orientation" ... but not "politics". Now we seem to have a lot of cases.

    So in theory it seems like i could open "Republican Restaurant" or "Drown Those Illegal (Sorrows) Bar" and only serve the clientel whose opinions i liked. Maybe chat with them up front, or have them sign a form agreeing to a set of propositions or having them logon to their facebook accounts and let my software scour their feeds and make sure they were "my kind of people". And in theory i could open my software shop and only employ people who *agreeded* with Donald Trump or say James Damore as well?

    I'd certainly be happy to frequent places that were say in the "Nationalist list".

    Whatever precedent is set by some of these cases going to court, would seem to open the door for our side as well. The Chick-Fil-A guy should be free to fire anyone with a rainbow flag on his facebook, or who expresses support for homo-'marriage' or heck who votes for a Democrat. Right?

    The world according to AnotherDad:

    Forced assimilation and ethnic cleansing: good

    “Pro-pedophile” jokes: bad

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  87. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    You're forgetting the Monolith.

    Symbolic of the Universality of Negritude, dude.

    Mind blown.

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  88. AndrewR says:

    For every Type II error in which a Becky becomes the victim, ten Bequishas will be victims. Far more than any other ethnic group, blacks have a vested interest in reducing black crime. Our elites, however, are successful in getting blacks to accept a skyhigh crime rate in black communities in exchange for [often symbolic] anti-white, anti-cop policies.

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  89. TWS says:

    That’s not a joke. He was responding to a video of little girls naked. Those aren’t, ‘dumb jokes’ he should have gotten his ass kicked not a movie career.

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    As I said, I'm glad Gunn got a healthy dose of The Golden Rule.

    But in his defense on this specific point, the video was reportedly of a school choir singing "I Touch Myself" by the Divinyls. So a creepy joke, but legal, and far from proof of actual pedophilia.
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  90. TWS says:
    @Clyde
    Gunn, paying the price for being "edgy"

    He was making zillions so he is very smart guy. He should have had a trusted flunky delete those crappy tweets. Or better just delete everything in that twatter account and start a new one a few months years later.

    Better yet, he should have never bragged about masturbating to a video of little girls. Because that is so normal. For Hollywood. Not for normal people.

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  91. Jack D says:
    @Olorin

    Londa Schiebinger
     
    Pretty much what you'd expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, "distributed their surnames to their children."

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html

    A literal English and History major demanding a say in how technology is developed.


    Schiebinger's work in the eighteenth century investigates colonial science in the Atlantic World. In particular she explores medical experimentation with slave populations in the Caribbean. Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science; the history of human experimentation; and the role of science in the eighteenth-century Atlantic world.
     
    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?

    Then there's this literal autist playing the race card:

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/fun

    By the way, host, I think they're banking on any "Type II errors in security systems" working to THEIR advantage. That's the subtext of everything they write. "Getting rid of bias" means defeating their gender and racial enemies through, you know, the automation of their self-privileging flavor of bias.

    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?

    Yes, the Joos done it. Slavery was all about Joos. Read Gone With the Wind – you have Scarlet O’harowitz and Rhett Butlerman and Ashley Wilkenstein and so on – nothing but Joos.

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    False dilemma fallacy.
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  92. Mr. Anon says:
    @Olorin

    Londa Schiebinger
     
    Pretty much what you'd expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, "distributed their surnames to their children."

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html

    A literal English and History major demanding a say in how technology is developed.


    Schiebinger's work in the eighteenth century investigates colonial science in the Atlantic World. In particular she explores medical experimentation with slave populations in the Caribbean. Her project reconceptualizes research in four areas: first and foremost knowledge of African contributions to early modern science; the historiography of race in science; the history of human experimentation; and the role of science in the eighteenth-century Atlantic world.
     
    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?

    Then there's this literal autist playing the race card:

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/

    https://sites.google.com/site/jamesyzou/fun

    By the way, host, I think they're banking on any "Type II errors in security systems" working to THEIR advantage. That's the subtext of everything they write. "Getting rid of bias" means defeating their gender and racial enemies through, you know, the automation of their self-privileging flavor of bias.

    Pretty much what you’d expect from a homely female who, along with her husband, “distributed their surnames to their children.”

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/schiebinger.html

    Just as there is (apparently) a type called a “Becky”. Perhaps there should be a type called a “Londa”.

    An this Londa is certainly full of herself. She has a webpage just for “publicity photos:”

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPST/photosLS.html

    Note that: “Additional publicity photos are available for purchase at:…..”

    No thanks. I think I’ll pass.

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  93. Jack D says:
    @David M
    The problem of AI bias is a bit more complicated than what you are saying.

    Here is an interesting article by Google Research explaining the problem.
    https://research.google.com/bigpicture/attacking-discrimination-in-ml/

    The point is that in any system with two groups of people that have, on average, different traits you will have some level of unfairness. It is not possible to eliminate it. Most businesses try to maximize profit which leaves to disparate impact for blacks. The popular theory is that these businesses are just being racist. Perhaps even because of implicit bias.

    There are other ways to go about this problem. (Google shows Max profit, group unaware, demographic parity, and equal opportunity) Each method achieves less profit. However, each method is closer to what liberal activists want to achieve. But liberal activists don't realize that their ideal goal cannot be achieved, unless those two groups are actually identical. They don't even acknowledge that the outcomes they desire would cost businesses money in order to implement.

    Basically, in a diverse society, disparate impact is impossible to avoid.

    Most businesses try to maximize profit which leaves to disparate impact for blacks.

    Most businesses LOVE black customers (except when they shoplift, which is a lot). Blacks are not price sensitive – when they want something and they have the money (or the credit) they buy it. When black customers walk into a car dealership the salesmen cry with joy – they can sell the blacks all sorts of high profit add ons.

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  94. snorlax says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Forget this Gunn guy–never heard of him, don’t know what he said. (If he’s pedo friendly, i’d fire him too.)"

    He is guilty of making a lot of dumb jokes on twitter 10 years ago about a wide range of topics: pedophilia, rape, the holocaust, etc. He got away with it until now because he's a lock step raging progressive moonbat, but as we have seen , the left have just about run out of enemies on the other side of the line to go after so they are rolling hand grenades into the tents of their own now. The interesting thing about the story is how it illustrates again the significant cultural shift in just the last 10 years. If you are a (presumably) straight, white male, your politics no longer protect you from ruin.

    What is also interesting to see is how quickly those on the right will adopt the same mob mentality the left has, absent of any context, evidence, perspective or proportion, when someone on the left finds themselves in the cross hairs of the poundmetoo executioners. The boilerplate excuse is "Muh Rools fer Radikals" even though there is no evidence of that crap actually working when the right tries to apply it, because it's always the left eating their own to begin with.

    How about The Golden Rule?

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    That fact that he's a hypocrite means what exactly? So is Jim "Loyal Opposition" Treacher. So are they all and their employers.

    The point isn't even about Gunn, specifically, he's just the latest example of the selective standards applied depending on who/whom is making the jokes and who/whom is the target of them.

    But keep applauding as straight white men continue to be eliminated, and replaced by blue haired, obese black women. The fight for civilization has long ago evolved past the liberal/conservative points of view.
    , @AndrewR
    I tried loading that pic multiple times to no avail. What did it say?
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  95. ‘Should the data be representative of the world as it is, or of a world that many would aspire to?’

    Normal intelligence suggests that this is not a matter of either/or. Factual data can be collected on the world as it is, and factual data can be collected on what people believe it ought to be- two distinct operations.

    A speculative assessment of the effect of ought-to-be beliefs on reality can then be made. This is the point at which the sheep are separated from the goats.

    Although the authors belong at the more sophisticated, less orgiastic, end of the sheep pen, they too continue to jostle and impede the possible, albeit modest,improvements that can be made to reality.

    Apologies to real sheep, to whom reality brings real misery.

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  96. Gunner says:

    Originally they were going to use the brains of The Root employees ala Robocop 2, but there wasn’t enough material to work with.

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  97. Jack D says:
    @TheBoom
    Am increase in crime and drop in public safety will not be seen as negatives as the Ferguson effect shows. The problem for the left is that AI will have increasingly better capabilities at self learning and, I would imagine, limiting crime think will get harder and harder

    The problem for the left is that AI will have increasingly better capabilities at self learning and, I would imagine, limiting crime think will get harder and harder

    This is not a problem for them at all. As far as they are concerned, any “disparate impact” caused by the algorithms routing around the blockage and using proxies for race will just be a reason to hand tune the algorithms further. From their POV, unless an AI algorithm is producing results that exactly match the demographics of the general population, the algorithm is racist and need to be “fixed” (crippled).

    So let’s say it is an algorithm that uses face recognition to identify potential shoplifters and have the store cameras zoom in on them and electronically follow them around the store so they can be filmed and caught in the act. Obviously it is out of the question for the AI to just look at skin tone and follow all the black customers although that would work quite well. So let’s say the AI is programmed to ignore skin color and looks at other factors – baggy clothing or some sort of suspicious behavior or whatever. No matter what the AI looks at, it’s going to end up being a proxy for race (as others have said) because blacks are a disproportionate % of shoplifters. So the only way to get the AI to work is to cripple it completely and just have the store cameras follow random people. This is EXACTLY what the left wants and they won’t stop until they get it. That this totally negates the value of AI is not their problem any more than it was their problem that prohibiting the use of IQ tests in employment gave employers worse quality employees.

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    See also the airport security regime that says MaryAnn McDermott and Hussain al-Jihad are equally likely to be terrorists.
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  98. @snorlax
    How about The Golden Rule?

    https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1020415045812006915

    That fact that he’s a hypocrite means what exactly? So is Jim “Loyal Opposition” Treacher. So are they all and their employers.

    The point isn’t even about Gunn, specifically, he’s just the latest example of the selective standards applied depending on who/whom is making the jokes and who/whom is the target of them.

    But keep applauding as straight white men continue to be eliminated, and replaced by blue haired, obese black women. The fight for civilization has long ago evolved past the liberal/conservative points of view.

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    Who cares if he's white? If he supports the anti-white party then he's a tool, and he deserves worse things than being fired from his glamorous job.

    If his employer wants to replace him with a fat lesbian, good. They'll be that much poorer for it, and have less money to spend attacking the interests of actual Americans.
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  99. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    It isn't at all complicated. "Skews in the data" basically translates as "data containing information we don't like".

    Crime stats, exam results - you either have to assume they are basically true or at least "good enough for government work", or that there is a vast conspiracy among teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers, crime victims - nearly all of whom must be anti-black racists but not anti-Indian/Chinese/Jewish racists.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because 'a lot of teachers be racist'? Be interested to hear the response. I suppose it would go down to - 'no, it's chaotic home lives', 'street culture' or similar.

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’?

    Every education “reform” for the past 50 years has been from the POV that the schools (and teachers) are failing the kids and not that the kids are failing themselves. It is always about what the schools must do differently and never about what the students must do or whether (you don’t dare even think of this) the teachers and teaching methods are just fine and it’s the students who are the problem.

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    The KIPP charter schools started from the opposite standpoint that the grown-ups knew more about how to succeed in life than the kids and recruited kids who wanted discipline and order imposed on the classrooms, and kicked out those who didn't.
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  100. MBlanc46 says:

    No doubt, the Beckys asked for it.

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  101. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    The problem for the left is that AI will have increasingly better capabilities at self learning and, I would imagine, limiting crime think will get harder and harder
     
    This is not a problem for them at all. As far as they are concerned, any "disparate impact" caused by the algorithms routing around the blockage and using proxies for race will just be a reason to hand tune the algorithms further. From their POV, unless an AI algorithm is producing results that exactly match the demographics of the general population, the algorithm is racist and need to be "fixed" (crippled).

    So let's say it is an algorithm that uses face recognition to identify potential shoplifters and have the store cameras zoom in on them and electronically follow them around the store so they can be filmed and caught in the act. Obviously it is out of the question for the AI to just look at skin tone and follow all the black customers although that would work quite well. So let's say the AI is programmed to ignore skin color and looks at other factors - baggy clothing or some sort of suspicious behavior or whatever. No matter what the AI looks at, it's going to end up being a proxy for race (as others have said) because blacks are a disproportionate % of shoplifters. So the only way to get the AI to work is to cripple it completely and just have the store cameras follow random people. This is EXACTLY what the left wants and they won't stop until they get it. That this totally negates the value of AI is not their problem any more than it was their problem that prohibiting the use of IQ tests in employment gave employers worse quality employees.

    See also the airport security regime that says MaryAnn McDermott and Hussain al-Jihad are equally likely to be terrorists.

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  102. snorlax says:
    @TWS
    That's not a joke. He was responding to a video of little girls naked. Those aren't, 'dumb jokes' he should have gotten his ass kicked not a movie career.

    As I said, I’m glad Gunn got a healthy dose of The Golden Rule.

    But in his defense on this specific point, the video was reportedly of a school choir singing “I Touch Myself” by the Divinyls. So a creepy joke, but legal, and far from proof of actual pedophilia.

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  103. Rod1963 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - James Gunn fired by Disney, for tweeting Bad Think.

    He looks like a post sexual reassignment version of Jane Lynch.

    Gunn is a pedo. Normal guys don’t say talk about that stuff. It would usually result in getting your ass kicked. At the very least shunned.

    Hell it would have gotten him not only fired but his ass kicked at the cement plant quarries I worked at. The same at the military bases I worked at as well.

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    Yawn

    Half of the comments on this site, including many of yours, would "get your ass kicked or at least shunned" in many places. Racism is about as popular as pedophilia in our society. But if dumping on him helps you sleep at night then you go, boy.

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  104. @Anonymous

    Kind of like how anti-gun politicians want so-called “smart guns” which will eventually become mandatory and which they will be able to turn on and off through an RFID chip. Or even build in a timer that would deactivate it and it has to be renewed at your local Democrat Alderman’s office.

    “Smart guns” would be good for police forces and politicians, so let them adopt them.

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  105. @El Dato
    Mobile Google AI looking to procure equitable outcomes towards some Becky, criminally hindered in his endeavour by a White Supremacist Gun Nut in a trenchcoat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0r_YxFNHs

    The best scene from the best Terminator movie. “Come with me if you want to live.”

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  106. “…Otherwise, the Robot Pool Patrol Paulas will run amok…”

    If they all look like Sean Young’s “Rachael”, they can run amok with me all day long.

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  107. L Woods says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    On the subject of crime prevention, the British Red Cross is providing lesson plans which teach English kids how to give first aid to someone with a "heavy bleed".


    https://www.redcross.org.uk/get-involved/teaching-resources/knife-crime


    "There has recently been a spate of violence across London and knife crime among young people is on the rise in the UK. The reasons behind this are complex."
     
    Only if you're ignoring the obvious, which you must do for career reasons.

    "These activities will explore the different aspects of knife crime, from ways to avoid conflict to first aid for someone with a heavy bleed."
     

    Usually when my partner is suffering from a heavy bleed, I’m the one that needs first aid.

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  108. Lot says:
    @Anonym
    Proctor is not exactly proctologist. But Schiebinger... has a few possibilities.

    https://youtu.be/5ihtX86JzmA

    And a female wouldn't want to be overweight with that surname.

    Yes there is proctologist, but also test proctors who in my experience were fussy old farts making minimum wages.

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  109. Lowe says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    That fact that he's a hypocrite means what exactly? So is Jim "Loyal Opposition" Treacher. So are they all and their employers.

    The point isn't even about Gunn, specifically, he's just the latest example of the selective standards applied depending on who/whom is making the jokes and who/whom is the target of them.

    But keep applauding as straight white men continue to be eliminated, and replaced by blue haired, obese black women. The fight for civilization has long ago evolved past the liberal/conservative points of view.

    Who cares if he’s white? If he supports the anti-white party then he’s a tool, and he deserves worse things than being fired from his glamorous job.

    If his employer wants to replace him with a fat lesbian, good. They’ll be that much poorer for it, and have less money to spend attacking the interests of actual Americans.

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    Which party is that?
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  110. @Jack D

    Has anyone here ever, in conversation with a teacher, casually dropped the assumption that the poor exam results of black kids is because ‘a lot of teachers be racist’?
     
    Every education "reform" for the past 50 years has been from the POV that the schools (and teachers) are failing the kids and not that the kids are failing themselves. It is always about what the schools must do differently and never about what the students must do or whether (you don't dare even think of this) the teachers and teaching methods are just fine and it's the students who are the problem.

    The KIPP charter schools started from the opposite standpoint that the grown-ups knew more about how to succeed in life than the kids and recruited kids who wanted discipline and order imposed on the classrooms, and kicked out those who didn’t.

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    Sure it is possible to cherry pick the smartest/most motivated 10% of blacks in a large city and come up with a reasonably functional school (although the REALLY smartest blacks get recruited for free scholarships by private schools looking for diversity points). But this just leaves the general enrollment neighborhood schools with an even dumber/more unruly group.
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  111. @Jack D

    I wonder how well she observes the demographic distribution of key players in the Atlantic slave owning and trading industry?
     
    Yes, the Joos done it. Slavery was all about Joos. Read Gone With the Wind - you have Scarlet O'harowitz and Rhett Butlerman and Ashley Wilkenstein and so on - nothing but Joos.

    False dilemma fallacy.

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  112. Pat Boyle says:
    @L Woods
    Meh. She really wasn't very attractive in Dune, where she was wearing a lot less makeup. I'd hardly throw it out of bed obviously, but very unremarkable by actress standards.

    Actually legitimate Hollywood actresses are not the best looking babes. The most consistently beautiful women are the softcore actresses. Real actresses in films that cost millions are expected to be able to act. That reduces the pool of contenders. Softcore actresses often can’t act their way out of a paper bag – but they always look good in the buff.

    Hard core movie actresses have to be able grunt and moan persuasively. They don’t need to be quite so pretty as those who only fake penetration.

    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters…

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    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters…
     
    Those exist?
    , @Anonym
    Softcore women are attractive enough (at least, of body) that they don't need to have sex to earn the $$$ they want. But the market is small.

    The most beautiful women in the world often end up with what they want - marriage and children.
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  113. Truth says:
    @Lowe
    Who cares if he's white? If he supports the anti-white party then he's a tool, and he deserves worse things than being fired from his glamorous job.

    If his employer wants to replace him with a fat lesbian, good. They'll be that much poorer for it, and have less money to spend attacking the interests of actual Americans.

    Which party is that?

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  114. Truth says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Actually legitimate Hollywood actresses are not the best looking babes. The most consistently beautiful women are the softcore actresses. Real actresses in films that cost millions are expected to be able to act. That reduces the pool of contenders. Softcore actresses often can't act their way out of a paper bag - but they always look good in the buff.

    Hard core movie actresses have to be able grunt and moan persuasively. They don't need to be quite so pretty as those who only fake penetration.

    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters...

    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters…

    Those exist?

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  115. AndrewR says:
    @snorlax
    How about The Golden Rule?

    https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1020415045812006915

    I tried loading that pic multiple times to no avail. What did it say?

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    Apparently Jim Treacher (of all people) has just been banned from Twitter, but it was a screenshot of the following (now deleted) tweet.

    I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn’t. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn’t mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent.

    — James Gunn (@JamesGunn) May 29, 2018
     
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  116. AndrewR says:
    @Rod1963
    Gunn is a pedo. Normal guys don't say talk about that stuff. It would usually result in getting your ass kicked. At the very least shunned.

    Hell it would have gotten him not only fired but his ass kicked at the cement plant quarries I worked at. The same at the military bases I worked at as well.

    Yawn

    Half of the comments on this site, including many of yours, would “get your ass kicked or at least shunned” in many places. Racism is about as popular as pedophilia in our society. But if dumping on him helps you sleep at night then you go, boy.

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    Racism is about as popular as pedophilia in our society.

    Should be: "Racism coming from Whitey".
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  117. snorlax says:
    @AndrewR
    I tried loading that pic multiple times to no avail. What did it say?

    Apparently Jim Treacher (of all people) has just been banned from Twitter, but it was a screenshot of the following (now deleted) tweet.

    I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn’t. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn’t mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent.

    — James Gunn (@JamesGunn) May 29, 2018

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    The only thing that would be a fitting tribute is Monty Python's "Bridge of Death" skit morphed into the "Bridge of Free Speech" skit where the Old Man asks racially or politically loaded questions that have to answered correctly lest you be thrown into the Gorge of Eternal Peril by a mysterious vengeful force.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMxWLuOFyZM&t=5s

    The punchline could be "You have to know these things when you are a President, you know".
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  118. El Dato says:
    @AndrewR
    Yawn

    Half of the comments on this site, including many of yours, would "get your ass kicked or at least shunned" in many places. Racism is about as popular as pedophilia in our society. But if dumping on him helps you sleep at night then you go, boy.

    Racism is about as popular as pedophilia in our society.

    Should be: “Racism coming from Whitey”.

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  119. El Dato says:
    @snorlax
    Apparently Jim Treacher (of all people) has just been banned from Twitter, but it was a screenshot of the following (now deleted) tweet.

    I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn’t. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn’t mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent.

    — James Gunn (@JamesGunn) May 29, 2018
     

    The only thing that would be a fitting tribute is Monty Python’s “Bridge of Death” skit morphed into the “Bridge of Free Speech” skit where the Old Man asks racially or politically loaded questions that have to answered correctly lest you be thrown into the Gorge of Eternal Peril by a mysterious vengeful force.

    The punchline could be “You have to know these things when you are a President, you know”.

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    Terry Gilliam is now a black lesbian in transition, according to him.

    BLT.
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  120. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The KIPP charter schools started from the opposite standpoint that the grown-ups knew more about how to succeed in life than the kids and recruited kids who wanted discipline and order imposed on the classrooms, and kicked out those who didn't.

    Sure it is possible to cherry pick the smartest/most motivated 10% of blacks in a large city and come up with a reasonably functional school (although the REALLY smartest blacks get recruited for free scholarships by private schools looking for diversity points). But this just leaves the general enrollment neighborhood schools with an even dumber/more unruly group.

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  121. wren says:
    @JimB
    Well, I’m bummed. I was looking forward to Guardians 3. If Marvel changes directors it will suck.

    James Gunn came up with the idea of using great 70s tunes for the Marvel soundtracks. His comic touch is essential to the Marvel franchise. Firing him was a stupid decision by woke Disney PR hacks. Who gives a crap about his dumb tweets from a decade ago.

    This is the reason for ending media and entertainment monopolies. Facebook, Google, Time-Warner, and Disney have put us in a soul and fun destroying woke gulag. We need a new uncensorable media platform.

    I am guessing that after a year or two more of wokeness everyone is going to be craving antiwokeness, and comedians will pile on once they realize the pendulum is moving back in the other direction and there is money to be made.

    It will probably be led initially by whoever is highest on the woke totem pole, just because they will have it easiest.

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    I am guessing that after a year or two more of wokeness everyone is going to be craving antiwokeness, and comedians will pile on once they realize the pendulum is moving back in the other direction and there is money to be made.
     
    Prisons aren’t pendulums. I don’t see a reason for the rising brown tides to push back against corporate and government sanctioned white baiting and shaming.
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  122. wren says:
    @El Dato
    The only thing that would be a fitting tribute is Monty Python's "Bridge of Death" skit morphed into the "Bridge of Free Speech" skit where the Old Man asks racially or politically loaded questions that have to answered correctly lest you be thrown into the Gorge of Eternal Peril by a mysterious vengeful force.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMxWLuOFyZM&t=5s

    The punchline could be "You have to know these things when you are a President, you know".

    Terry Gilliam is now a black lesbian in transition, according to him.

    BLT.

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  123. Perplexed says:
    @Anonymous

    If a human Becky or two or three gets mugged or raped because of our noble aspirations, well, that’s just a price the Beckys will have to pay for our moral superiority.
     
    The Civil Rights Movement and the Great Society have already unleashed a brown rape army on white womanhood. Since the 60's, black males have raped 40,000 white woman annually mainly because of integration. In the 1950's, only 3.5 % of rapes were interracial. By 1974, a study in Denver showed that 40% of all rapes were the result of black men raping white women. And if you want to look up the interracial rape stats for yourself, use Bing, not Google. Google floods your search results with a bunch of woke propaganda from the SPLC, Vox, and the Huffington Post. Bing delivers the goods at the top of the search. I suppose Google is on the forefront of Woke AI.

    BTW Kitty Genovese was one of the first Becky sacrifices made to appease the diversity gods. Her black serial-killer assailant was on the surface a credit to his race with a wife, kids, a steady skilled job, and a mortgage in a nice Queens neighborhood. Even a racist AI algorithm would have missed him.

    “use Bing, not Google”: I had occasion to look up the URL of Reddit The Donald, instead of using a bookmark. Bing had the address as the first or second listing. The whole first page of Google (I didn’t look beyond that) was articles about and critical of The Donald—no link to the site itself.

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  124. Perplexed says:
    @L Woods
    Meh. She really wasn't very attractive in Dune, where she was wearing a lot less makeup. I'd hardly throw it out of bed obviously, but very unremarkable by actress standards.

    “I’d hardly throw it out of bed obviously”: it? I’m missing what you’re trying to say here.

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  125. @Anonym
    Londa Schiebinger is not Jewish it seems btw. German.

    Her partner is Robert N. Proctor, and her children are Geoffrey Schiebinger and Jonathan Proctor. She and her husband distributed their names equally to their two children.
     
    She binged too much on the multicult koolaid and invented the final solution to the feminist problem. Distributed surnames! Well... it's a unique solution, I'll give her that.

    Women who won’t take their husband’s name and just become a family aren’t worth marrying. It’s just an obvious tell. Weird some guys can’t figure this out.

    The deal isn’t honoring or dishonoring anyone. Obviously, i–with only one surname–am not name-wise honoring all the millions of family lines converging in me. That would be impossible. I’m actually quite a bit closer to my maternal relatives–know them much better, feel more part of their family. So what if my name isn’t that same as a bunch of them.

    Taking your husbands’ name is saying “yeah, i’m throwing completely in with you, we are now one family and building our family together.” Women who can’t do it because they are just so special–their father’s paternal line name is just so special–and they have to be “equal”, be validated, be blah, blah, blah … Huge signal of out-of-control female ego. Guys should not walk, but *run* away.

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  126. Anonym says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Actually legitimate Hollywood actresses are not the best looking babes. The most consistently beautiful women are the softcore actresses. Real actresses in films that cost millions are expected to be able to act. That reduces the pool of contenders. Softcore actresses often can't act their way out of a paper bag - but they always look good in the buff.

    Hard core movie actresses have to be able grunt and moan persuasively. They don't need to be quite so pretty as those who only fake penetration.

    And then there are the FOX lady newscasters...

    Softcore women are attractive enough (at least, of body) that they don’t need to have sex to earn the $$$ they want. But the market is small.

    The most beautiful women in the world often end up with what they want – marriage and children.

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  127. Rifleman says:
    @tyrone
    OK ,they can make a shaniqu'a robot just to even things out.

    When people think of Beckys they need to think about Eve Carson, Amanda Blackburn and Amy Caprio.

    Google them.

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  128. JimB says:
    @wren
    I am guessing that after a year or two more of wokeness everyone is going to be craving antiwokeness, and comedians will pile on once they realize the pendulum is moving back in the other direction and there is money to be made.

    It will probably be led initially by whoever is highest on the woke totem pole, just because they will have it easiest.

    I am guessing that after a year or two more of wokeness everyone is going to be craving antiwokeness, and comedians will pile on once they realize the pendulum is moving back in the other direction and there is money to be made.

    Prisons aren’t pendulums. I don’t see a reason for the rising brown tides to push back against corporate and government sanctioned white baiting and shaming.

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  129. @Steve Sailer
    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

    Envy isn’t a good look Steve.

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  130. Saxon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

    He predicted thith.

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  131. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is this an example of the left self-destructing in mindless purges of each other and then Mike Cernovich jumping in to grab publicity for himself?

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/20/james-gunn-fired-twitter-pc

    It’s no accident these tweets were suddenly discovered; right-wing bloggers including Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec (with an assist from Breitbart and The Daily Caller) went digging after Gunn made negative remarks about conservative writer Ben Shapiro on Twitter. Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage.

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