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Have you ever noticed how rapey the pro-immigration conventional wisdom has become?

UN demographers recently forecast that the population of Africa would quadruple to four billion in this century. That seems implausible since a lot of the current billion are already trying to get into Europe.

Now two UN officials advise Europeans to stop resisting, lie back and think of Africa.

From the Toronto Star:

Europe must open borders to migrants, UN official says

Europe needs to create meaningful refugee settlement program that will put human smugglers out of business, says special rapporteur.

By: Tanya Talaga Staff Reporter, Published on Thu Feb 12 2015

Europe needs to embrace the migrants appearing on its shores and create a meaningful refugee settlement program that will put human smugglers out of business and save countless lives, says the United Nation’s special rapporteur on human rights of migrants.

European Union attempts to “seal” borders will continue to fail and more migrants will lose their lives at sea if fleeing refugees aren’t given the right to settle where they want, François Crépeau said on Thursday from New York.

“I don’t see any other solution for Europe,” he said. “They need to open the borders.”

The Mediterranean Sea has become a graveyard of desperate migrants on the run from poverty and conflict, looking for a better life. Last year, more than 3,000 died making the crossing from Africa to Europe, according to the International Organization for Migration.

Crépeau, who is also an international law professor at McGill University, said if Europe wants to stop the human suffering it must put its faith in regulated openness and mobility. “European states need to create an operation where saving lives is the first objective.”

After the Lampedusa tragedy, Italy decided that saving lives was more important than anything else. In October 2013, 366 died when their boat capsized en route to the Sicilian port of Lampedusa. The Italians started the life-saving Mare Nostrum program to proactively patrol international waters.

“Lampedusa was an electroshock to Italy,” said Crépeau. “They really felt responsible. The people who died in Lampedusa were given posthumous Italian citizenship.”

You’ll be amazed to learn that that didn’t discourage Africans from coming.

… Joel Millman, a press officer for the IOM in Geneva, said Europe needs to accept and manage migration.

“We appreciate border security is a shared responsibility. We don’t think everybody should be allowed in — not terrorists or pedophiles. But you can’t ignore certain truths here. Europe is close to massive conflict zones,” he said.

“Libya is a day away from Europe. To say, ‘This must stop and we won’t tolerate it,’ well, fine, but what is the answer? You can’t ignore it. How can you ignore people fleeing Boko Haram in Nigeria?” Millman asked.

Maybe they could move to a different part of their own country of Nigeria? Or, in the extreme cases, maybe they could move to a different part of their own continent of Africa? Or maybe they could stay home and defeat Boko Haram? (Of course, if Nigerians actually succeeded in defeating Boko Haram, then the U.N. would be tell Europeans they have to admit all the Boko Haram guys as refugees.)

“We need to open up the channels of legal resettlement,” he said.

Many migrants know exactly where they want to go. They have family in Germany or in Northern Europe. “We think the capacity is there. If you start with people who have relatives and who are wiling to take people in, there is a start,” he suggested.
“The EU can’t escape it. This is their future. They should actually embrace it,” Millman said.

It’s striking how UN officials use metaphors of rape to tell Europeans they must lie back passively, open up, and embrace their fate.

The real solution, of course, is that you rescue illegal infiltrators (to use the Israeli government’s term) from the sea, then you lock them up for a prison term of, say, three years, then you deport them. That creates the right incentives to discourage attempts at illegal immigration.

 
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  1. So which European countries will manage to stay European?
    Best guess is Eastern Europe – nobody wants to move there.

    This population explosion in Africa is – possibly — the last big population boom. So any country that remain intact ethnically during that, has a good chance of remaining intact … indefinitely.

    But for the next 50 years Africa is gonna be bursting at the seams and spewing out a constant stream of black people to colonize the world.

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe – perhaps not.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe – perhaps not.
     
    The problem with this statement is that most of Eastern Europe is in the EU, or planning on joining the EU. And if they do, they will have to take Western Europe's population just like any US state has to be open to the residents of the other US states. So long as non-European immigrants are allowed to swamp just one EU nation, let alone several, the demographic camel will have gotten its nose into the European tent.

    The only way Eastern Europe can be saved is to dismantle EU, or at least the free movement of people part. And since I doubt the EU would end the free movement of people on their own, that just leaves one option.
    , @Anon 3
    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world's most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It's astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors
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  2. Truly sickening, and as usual most won’t care about such stories. Some will be fooled into thinking that ISIS is the most important thing, others will think its debt levels or stock market prices, and then there are those whites that think the white race going extinct is a good thing.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    ".... and then there are those whites that think the white race going extinct is a good thing."
    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people. The fifteen point average IQ advantage the Ashkenazi Jews have over whites is just overwhelming. The few whites that have a decent IQ are screwed by their own.
  3. Just what Europe needs, four billion black people.

    Though I think the demographic forecasts for Africa are too “optimistic.” What if white societies can’t continue the international welfare state? What if white people in white societies one day stop being do-gooders? Then the population of black sub-saharan Africa will drop like a rock.

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  4. It’s surrealistic but happening never the less, Europe and the United States are committing suicide by way of “right thinking,” otherwise known as being nice to your home invader

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    • Replies: @Bill

    Europe and the United States are committing suicide by way of “right thinking,”
     
    Sort of like those mice infected with T Gondii commit suicide, eh? If only we could sit those mice down, talk some sense into them, and make them see that hanging around cats isn't exactly in their best interest. Clearly, the problem is that they have become, like, intellectually convinced that cats are their friends. Either that or they want to die. Oh well, sigh, whaddaya whaddaya?
  5. European Union attempts to “seal” borders will continue to fail and more migrants will lose their lives at sea if fleeing refugees aren’t given the right to settle where they want, François Crépeau said on Thursday from New York.

    I’m assuming professor Crépeau is French Canadian. But it is interesting that he did participate as part of the McGill faculty in a humans rights session with the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. His particular course was “Mobility Policies and the Human Rights of Migrants: Not Everyone Lives in a Mobile World”. I wonder if Europe is the only place he thinks must take in migrants.

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  6. “We think the capacity is there. If you start with people who have relatives and who are wiling to take people in, there is a start,” he suggested.”….

    There’s a start. Is there an end? I read a profile about an African squatters camp in Spain. (In the NY Times mag I think…) One of the immigrants said – “Everyone in Africa would move to Europe if they could.” Perhaps the open borders crowd would care to respond to this? Bonus points for not just screaming racism.

    For some reason it’s now the default argument that living Anywhere other than the US, Canada, Europe and a few other places is just not humanly tolerable. I don’t know if they really believe we can let a billion people into the US and they’ll all be nice and adapt, or if they want to turn the US into a refugee camp because they’re bitter outsiders.

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  7. The solution there as here is to take away the (as they say) “magnet”. People know that if they make it over the border they’ll be able to find jobs, their kids will get free K-12 and discounted college, they’ll get driver’s licenses, slimy politicians will put them ahead of citizens, etc. etc.

    If instead they know that all they’ll get is emergency services, they won’t pay smugglers hundreds or thousands to come here.

    So, how do you do that? By discrediting those like the rapporteur, religious leaders, politicians, etc. etc. that provide incentives. I wrote about false compassion over six years ago ( http://24ahead.com/s/false-compassion ) and if people had simply used that argument against e.g. Jim Wallis we might not have had all the kids coming over and we might not have had amnesty.

    Instead of doing things like that, most people just sat around complaining (see the comments at Breitbart, WashTimes, etc. etc.) The rest waved signs in Murrieta (something the Feds worked around and that the pro-amnesty side turned to their advantage), made a completely worthless movie (the TP Patriots), sent FAXes that were ignored (NumbersUSA), or did even dumber things.

    If Americans and Europeans want border control, then they’re going to have to get smart before it’s too late.

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  8. “I don’t see any other solution for Europe”

    Keep calling out Orwellian phrases like this Steve. So much said in so few words. You admit that there is a separate entity collectively know as Europe? And that entity can have interests? And apparently there is some problem that this separate entity is having that needs solving? What is this problem that affects European interests?

    Be honest. Europe doesn’t have a problem that can’t be solved by any other solution other than opening its borders.
    You only believe in separate entities, or nations, when we are asking one nation to do something not in their interests, for other nations. When we talk about problems however, suddenly other nations problems are everybody’s problems.

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  9. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    South Africa led the way. Just surrender and accept.

    Turn all of Europe into South Africa.

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    First let's turn Israel into South Africa and let us see how that works out.
  10. Joel Millman is a radical homosexual activist from Portland Oregon. Who takes him seriously outside of the US? He’s just another Masha Gessen type, and I’m pretty sure the Europeans have his number.

    Shameful that WSJ hired him, but hey, he’s a globalist. Guess they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel now, and that’s something we should take as good news.

    I mean, let’s be honest here: the West Coast isn’t so much cutting edge these days as it is a fringe refuge for tech robber barons, lunatics and perverts, like Seattle’s porcine gay mayor Ed Murray, CA governor Jerry “moonbeam” Brown and Oregon’s new governor whatsername the bisexual weirdo. What a freak show. They might as well all show up in Geneva in muumuus and have a polysexual love in.

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  11. François Crépeau

    François Crépeau is the Hans & Tamar Oppenheimer Professor in Public International Law at the Faculty of Law of McGill University. In 2011, he was appointed United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights of Migrants. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada since 2012.

    The focus of his current research includes migration control mechanisms, the rights of foreigners, the conceptualization of security as it applies to migrants, and the Rule of Law in the face of globalization

    .

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  12. 1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn’t mean others are inferior.

    2. increased african immigration is good for several reasons

    -more diversity

    -less white privielge (good for everyone, especially whites)

    -less of chance for exploitation by white colonialists

    -no need for war since there will be no countries

    -white women will have more of a chance to expereince the ultimate in sexual pleasure

    -it makes humanitarian sense

    -more tolerance

    -more diverse economy

    -less right wing terrorism

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    • Replies: @Ohioan
    Good situations don't grow on trees. My extended family helped to make America a good place with their smarts, their hard work, their mutual trust, and their sense of fair play. If they and their neighbors hadn't had those things, then possibly America wouldn't be nice at all.

    If Africa is not a nice place, it's because Africans haven't made it nice (yet). Maybe, if we stop taking in the smartest/best connected ones, those people will take the lead in making Africa nicer.

    Protip: you're probably overstating the enthusiasm the most attractive white women have for black men. Operating on the assumptions you put forth here might prove embarrassing In Real Life. I find that black men draw mostly from the bottom third of white women (in attractiveness and smarts) but the top third (in weight). What you say is fine on here, but don't get put in a position to feel foolish in real life. I've seen many black men get their egos stung trying this stuff, and it appears to leave a deep scar.
    , @Joe Walker
    I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. If you are being serious then you are insane. If you are being sarcastic then I commend you on your sense of humor.
    , @unpc downunder
    You forgot mass plague in Africa.

    If western civilisation slides down to South African levels, western doctors won't be able to keep on top of African and Asian diseases.

    Perhaps mass immigration is the ultimate politically incorrect Gaia thesis. These humans are getting too successful at exploiting the planet, so lets overwhelm the more successful societies with less materially successful immigrants.
  13. The Beggar’s Opera
    _Macheath._ There will be deep Play to-night at _Mary-bone_, and
    consequently Money may be pick’d up upon the Road. Meet me there, and
    I’ll give you the Hint who is worth Setting.

    _Matt._ The Fellow with a brown Coat with a narrow Gold Binding, I am
    told, is never without Money.

    _Macheath._ What do you mean, _Matt_? –Sure you will not think of
    meddling with him! –He’s a good honest kind of a Fellow, and one of us.

    _Ben._ To be sure, Sir, we will put ourselves under your Direction.

    _Macheath._ Have an Eye upon the Money-Lenders. –A _Rouleau_, or two,
    would prove a pretty sort of an Expedition. I hate Extortion.

    _Matt._ Those Rouleaus are very pretty Things. –I hate your Bank Bills.
    –There is such a Hazard in putting them off.

    Perhaps rape was used because extortion would remind people what they are. Maintain an expeditonary mindset.

    TRUE INTELLIGENCE.

    Court of Censorial Enquiry,Wednesday Sept. 11.

    PUrsuant to Adjournment the Court met this Day, when William Quibble was Indicted, for that he, without having the Fear of the God of Wit before his Eyes, the Bedford Coffee-house did enter, and then and there several Puns did make to the great Annoyance of the Company, &c.

    The Cause was opened by Counfellor Truewit, who urged, that Punning is the meanest Exercise of the human Faculties; that though Bohours has established it for a Rule that the most brilliant Thought, must upon Exa|mination lose its Lustre, unless Truth be the Foundation of it, the Persons, who have contracted this Imbecillity of Mind, depend always upon some false Turn to re|commend themselves, and that therefore a Propensity to Punning is not only a Sign of the most flimsy Intellec|tuals, but also an Affront to the Understanding of every Person to whom it is offered.

    Perhaps rape was offered because they had so many flimsy Intellec|tuals. Why Quibble?

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  14. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Steve,

    It is uncanny how you and Vox seem to be selecting the same subjects …

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    Why wouldn't anybody imagine that some of the top guys there read me daily?
  15. Nation states are classically a form of extended family. This modern idea of mass immigration is that people should have the option of switching nation families and getting full membership in more desirable nation families and host nation families should not have rights of exclusion to preserve their classic membership. The analog with immediate families is children from problem families should be able to choose membership in nicer families and the parents should not have any right to exclude them or discriminate in favor of biological children. When viewed from this perspective, mass immigration is really a ridiculous notion that conflicts with most of human nature. Open border proponents really downplay the family nature of nation states.

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  16. @The most deplorable one
    Steve,

    It is uncanny how you and Vox seem to be selecting the same subjects ...

    Why wouldn’t anybody imagine that some of the top guys there read me daily?

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    Sorry, I meant Vox Day. I don't read Vox or Slate or places like that. I have too much open source code to write that is really used by people out there.
  17. So crossing the Mediterranean to Europe is dangerous. What’s the solution then? Why, encouraging more immigrants to cross the Mediterranean to Europe, of course!

    Um, ok…

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  18. @Chang
    So which European countries will manage to stay European?
    Best guess is Eastern Europe - nobody wants to move there.

    This population explosion in Africa is - possibly -- the last big population boom. So any country that remain intact ethnically during that, has a good chance of remaining intact ... indefinitely.

    But for the next 50 years Africa is gonna be bursting at the seams and spewing out a constant stream of black people to colonize the world.

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe - perhaps not.

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe – perhaps not.

    The problem with this statement is that most of Eastern Europe is in the EU, or planning on joining the EU. And if they do, they will have to take Western Europe’s population just like any US state has to be open to the residents of the other US states. So long as non-European immigrants are allowed to swamp just one EU nation, let alone several, the demographic camel will have gotten its nose into the European tent.

    The only way Eastern Europe can be saved is to dismantle EU, or at least the free movement of people part. And since I doubt the EU would end the free movement of people on their own, that just leaves one option.

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    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Most of Eastern Europe consists of Russia and Ukraine. Let's not forget that Europe, by definition, stretches all the way to the Urals. Some Eastern European countries, like Romania and Bulgaria, are indeed in the EU but they are a small minority. Central European nations, predominantly Catholic, like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary are in the E.U. but they have little to do with Eastern Europe. They used to be part of the Soviet bloc but that was a historical anomaly.
    For centuries they were associated with the Hapsburg dynasty, and western Christianity. Poland was a special case: as the Polish-Lithuanian Republic, from 1400 to 1700 it was the largest country in Europe, around 1550 stretching all the way to northern Italy.

    Western and Central Europe have been defined by Western Christianity, democratic traditions, rule of law, and Latin alphabet. Eastern Europe has been defined by Eastern Christianity, despotism inherited from the Byzantine tradition and the Mongol rule, corruption, and Cyrillic alphabet. Just check the alphabet of a given country, and you'll know where you are.

  19. The greatest Big Media enemy of what’s left of Traditional America is the Wall Street Journal. The perfidy they spew has ruined us. Yes, the Times is an enemy, but the right recognizes it as such. Open Borders/FRee Trade /game the system -ism as an economic policy has bankrupted us. The madness of the WSJ and its policies of exporting not our goods but our very prosperity ( that benefits the connected and the keyed in corruptocrats) has reached the highest levels of the Republican Party and turned it into an enemy of American patriots.

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  20. TRUE INTELLIGENCE.

    Bedford Coffee-house,Oct. 27.

    ON Saturday last the Parliament of Criticism met here, pursuant to their Adjournment, when Mr. Town made the following most gracious Speech.

    My Friends and Critics,

    It is with a very sensible Pleasure, that I now call you together, as I am convinced of your Endeavours to propogate the Cause of Z••lizm, during your late Recess from Business, and it is to be hoped that the Effects of your Allegiance will appear before the Expiration of the Winter.

    The Act for a General Naturalization of all foreign Monsters, at the Theatre Royal in Covent Garden, has, I find, been the Occasion of much Murmuring; I therefore re|commend that Matter to your further Consideration; but hope you will take care to manifest a proper Ten|derness for the Brute Creation.

    [Music]

    _Filch._ ‘Tis Woman that seduces all Mankind,
    By her we first were taught the wheedling Arts:
    Her very Eyes can cheat; when most she’s kind,
    She tricks us of our Money with our Hearts.
    For her, like Wolves by Night we roam for Prey,
    And practise ev’ry Fraud to bribe her Charms;
    For Suits of Love, like Law, are won by Pay,
    And Beauty must be fee’d into our Arms.

    Never fee’d unless we get money for You.

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  21. The Costa Concordia grounding disaster could yet lead to a new approach for European refugees, if the vessel hasn’t been rendered totally unseaworthy after salvage re-floating.

    How about one-way cruises from Lampedusa to Tripoli or Tunis or some other MENA garden spot? The cost may be lower than paying a generation or three of costs for social services, housing, job assistance, schooling and the like for extended families, and would cut down on bureaucratic growth by concentrating in a single ministry instead of several.

    Libya and Algeria could contribute by subsidizing fuel and by providing foodstuffs and other export goods to avoid an empty back haul, to avoid deadheading. Tunisia could provide couscous or whatever Tunisians could scrape together.

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  22. Where does it end? With the a Europe and America modeled after Haiti.

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    Haiti lost most of the top soil due to nonstop tree harvesting. Nobody bothered replanting trees. US kept sending funds which were promptly stolen. The only thing growing now are dumps and diseases.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Haiti
    Wikipedia
    Satellite image depicting the border between Haiti (left) and the Dominican ... An estimated 15,000 acres (61 km2) of topsoil are washed away each year, with ... Because most Haitians still depend on wood and charcoal as their primary fuel ..

    They could of got cheap oil for fuel from now failed Venezuela. It's run by crooks too and the money is worthless. That's life.
  23. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Why wouldn't anybody imagine that some of the top guys there read me daily?

    Sorry, I meant Vox Day. I don’t read Vox or Slate or places like that. I have too much open source code to write that is really used by people out there.

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    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    Fourth doorman of the apocalypse says: I don’t read Vox or Slate or places like that

    That's one of the problems. Those on our side (very, very broadly defined) don't read what the other side says or seek to do something about it. As a result, the other side keeps winning. I've been showing Yglesias wrong in comments on his various sites since 2002 or 2003; if I'd gotten help with that we could have changed what he writes now. Vox doesn't allow comments, but I've posted and conducted Twitter campaigns against @DLind. If I'd gotten help with that we could have done something about Vox's pro-amnesty propaganda. If Vox realized the jig is up on pro-amnesty propaganda, the news of that might even change Obama's mind about some things. Not only does our side (very, very broadly defined) keep doing things the wrong way, they don't even realize they're doing things the wrong way.

    P.S. "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse" lied about me in a very Teaparty way on the SVU thread. I see it subsequently commented on the same thread but didn't have the integrity to issue a retraction. That willingness to lie and complete lack of integrity is another thing to work on.
  24. Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl.

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    • Replies: @Sutton
    One gets the feeling wars of gigantic violence will interrupt the math.
    , @The most deplorable one
    I wonder if they have factored in the next war?
  25. @Chang
    Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl.

    One gets the feeling wars of gigantic violence will interrupt the math.

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  26. One has to wonder if the world is heading to a permanent dark age.

    Trips to Mars, biotech, 3D printing. What an exciting future

    Who is going to create the wealth for this stuff?
    Who is going to be smart enough to develop it?

    Europeans won’t be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.

    Maybe Japan?

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    • Replies: @Bill

    Europeans won’t be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.
     
    How smart and how coldly calculating do you think the Chinese leadership are? What has happened in S Africa is that the whites are trying to run to other, less black, countries. The high ability ones are succeeding.

    Are the Chinese smart enough and hard headed enough to grasp that letting in a lot of high ability whites is probably good for their country? If so, then that is the solution to the problem you lay out. Lots of smart white people will go to China.

    More broadly, I think you disbelieve your eyes and that is causing you to have a failure of imagination. When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won't be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible. And if we don't fall apart, then what's the problem?
  27. “Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl.”

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

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    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    A random paragraph from Samuel Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations

    Civilization Identity will be increasingly important in the future, and the world will be shaped in large measure by the interactions among seven or eight major civilizations. These include Western, Confucian, Japanese, Islamic, Hindu, Slavic-Orthodox, Latin American and possibly African civilization.
     
    , @jb
    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Yes, in a Darwinian sense they are currently more fit. The problem is people tend to confuse "fit" with "desirable", although the two concepts in fact have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If stupid people are having more children than smart people, then in a Darwinian sense their fitness is higher. That doesn't change the fact that stupidity is a bad thing, not a good thing, and certainly not something we want more of. Once it's understand that "fit" != "good" the concept of fitness becomes less problematic.
    , @Joe Walker
    Wouldn't fitness mean that they were able to survive without non-African intervention?
    , @Ex Submarine Officer

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.
     
    It possibly could be construed that way for those who construe things in such ways. Judging from population distributions on the ground, those with African heritage are much more able to adapt/transplant to non-African nations than those with non-African heritage have been able to adapt/transplant to African nations.

    And it hasn't been from lack of trying by the non-Africans, the colonial era in Africa wasn't only about a tiny European minority dominating for purposes of resource extraction, etc. There were a number of broad emigration to the colonies schemes encouraged by the mother countries. One that comes to mind were Portuguese to Angola, British to Rhodesia another.

    , @Simon in London
    Yes, but fitness is always relative to the current environment. The current environment is one where subsidised food & medicine among other factors make a high reproduction, low future time orientation strategy more fit. In an environment of globalised Western Civilisation Africans are more fit than Europeans. If the environment changed - civilisation collapse, new ice age, etc - then Europeans might be more fit again.
  28. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Chang
    Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl.

    I wonder if they have factored in the next war?

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  29. @FWIW
    Where does it end? With the a Europe and America modeled after Haiti.

    Haiti lost most of the top soil due to nonstop tree harvesting. Nobody bothered replanting trees. US kept sending funds which were promptly stolen. The only thing growing now are dumps and diseases.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Haiti
    Wikipedia
    Satellite image depicting the border between Haiti (left) and the Dominican … An estimated 15,000 acres (61 km2) of topsoil are washed away each year, with … Because most Haitians still depend on wood and charcoal as their primary fuel ..

    They could of got cheap oil for fuel from now failed Venezuela. It’s run by crooks too and the money is worthless. That’s life.

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    Striking photo and discussion of deforestation in Haiti.

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic are virtually twins in every respect except outcomes.

    http://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/haiti.dominican-republic/economy

    They both have about 10 million people, and Haiti's per capita everything is 1/10 the DR. Everything except misery. And the Dominican Republic isn't exactly Denmark ... its development is sketchy and nothing to write home about regarding civil society.

    There is some special 'x' factor that makes Haiti a global super power of regression.

    The deforestation is clearly a big deal, because it causes flooding, wrecks an already wrecked environment, etc. But per the article, after a 1950's Hurricane blew down numerous trees -- someone got the bright idea to make lemonade out of lemons and cut em all down.

    There is some lesson somewhere ...... don't know where. good link.
  30. The refugee “crisis” would end over night if refugees were resettled in say Libya while their refugee claims are processed. I’m sure something could be worked out with North African countries kind of like what Australia did with Indonesia.

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  31. @Tiny Duck
    1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn't mean others are inferior.

    2. increased african immigration is good for several reasons

    -more diversity

    -less white privielge (good for everyone, especially whites)

    -less of chance for exploitation by white colonialists

    -no need for war since there will be no countries

    -white women will have more of a chance to expereince the ultimate in sexual pleasure

    -it makes humanitarian sense

    -more tolerance

    -more diverse economy

    -less right wing terrorism

    Good situations don’t grow on trees. My extended family helped to make America a good place with their smarts, their hard work, their mutual trust, and their sense of fair play. If they and their neighbors hadn’t had those things, then possibly America wouldn’t be nice at all.

    If Africa is not a nice place, it’s because Africans haven’t made it nice (yet). Maybe, if we stop taking in the smartest/best connected ones, those people will take the lead in making Africa nicer.

    Protip: you’re probably overstating the enthusiasm the most attractive white women have for black men. Operating on the assumptions you put forth here might prove embarrassing In Real Life. I find that black men draw mostly from the bottom third of white women (in attractiveness and smarts) but the top third (in weight). What you say is fine on here, but don’t get put in a position to feel foolish in real life. I’ve seen many black men get their egos stung trying this stuff, and it appears to leave a deep scar.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Research seems to indicate that white, Asian and Latina women are not that attracted to black guys:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/women-as-the-drivers-of-between-culture-distance/
  32. Steve, I am also interested in liberal Jews advocating for more immigration. It seems they believe that they cannot take any other position and remain consistent, because FDR wouldn’t take in boats or something.

    I’m not trying to be funny here, but liberal Jews say a lot of things.

    Israel has the most sensible immigration policy I can think of, better even than Australia’s. Maybe Japan has the best position over all, by never letting the question come up in the first place. Somehow I think the ‘aging’ Japanese will be just fine. People in advanced countries are working effectively to an increasingly old age.

    As usual with liberal Jews, do as they do, not as they say.

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  33. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The sculpture in the photo is “Lygia and the Bull” by Giuseppe Moretti. Europa was not tied up by Zeus.

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  34. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I do background investigations for the U.S. Government for national security clearances. (confidential, secret, top secret, SCI, et al.). I would say 25-30% of my work involves recent immigrants from the third world [non-Latin America]. I will work on DHS/ICE TS clearances for people getting good fed jobs for critical-sensitive positions who moved from Mogadishu five years ago and got his/her college degree online. I will get people joining the U.S. military from Sub-Saharan Africa who are non-U.S. citizens getting TS clearances. These people come from lands where there are no street addresses yet I’m required to talk with their neighbors and canvas their neighborhoods. I’ll get TSA employees who were born in North Africa who have 20 financial accounts in collection, have been fired from a few previous jobs, have criminal records, yet they are never let go. I have TSA managers who are suspended for 5 days for testing positive for cocaine… three times, yet not only return to their jobs but get promoted. It is a Through the Looking Glass world and no one seems to give a shit.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    " I would say 25-30% of my work involves recent immigrants from the third world [non-Latin America]."

    Are these people being given preference for their jobs or are there really no better people applying for them?
  35. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Luke Lea
    "Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl."

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I'm having problems with the concept of fitness.

    A random paragraph from Samuel Huntington’s The Clash of Civilizations

    Civilization Identity will be increasingly important in the future, and the world will be shaped in large measure by the interactions among seven or eight major civilizations. These include Western, Confucian, Japanese, Islamic, Hindu, Slavic-Orthodox, Latin American and possibly African civilization.

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  36. @Luke Lea
    "Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl."

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I'm having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Yes, in a Darwinian sense they are currently more fit. The problem is people tend to confuse “fit” with “desirable”, although the two concepts in fact have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If stupid people are having more children than smart people, then in a Darwinian sense their fitness is higher. That doesn’t change the fact that stupidity is a bad thing, not a good thing, and certainly not something we want more of. Once it’s understand that “fit” != “good” the concept of fitness becomes less problematic.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    But are they really more fit if those children can only survive through European charity?
  37. @Luke Lea
    "Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl."

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I'm having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Wouldn’t fitness mean that they were able to survive without non-African intervention?

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  38. @Luke Lea
    "Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl."

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I'm having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

    It possibly could be construed that way for those who construe things in such ways. Judging from population distributions on the ground, those with African heritage are much more able to adapt/transplant to non-African nations than those with non-African heritage have been able to adapt/transplant to African nations.

    And it hasn’t been from lack of trying by the non-Africans, the colonial era in Africa wasn’t only about a tiny European minority dominating for purposes of resource extraction, etc. There were a number of broad emigration to the colonies schemes encouraged by the mother countries. One that comes to mind were Portuguese to Angola, British to Rhodesia another.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Judging from population distributions on the ground, those with African heritage are much more able to adapt/transplant to non-African nations than those with non-African heritage have been able to adapt/transplant to African nations.

    And it hasn’t been from lack of trying by the non-Africans, the colonial era in Africa wasn’t only about a tiny European minority dominating for purposes of resource extraction, etc. There were a number of broad emigration to the colonies schemes encouraged by the mother countries. One that comes to mind were Portuguese to Angola, British to Rhodesia another.
     
    I look at this differently. African transplants in non-African nations are usually on the bottom tier of the social and economic ladder, and advance up the ladder due to generous state assistance. Without that assistance, and with the right of association still respected, Africans in non-African nations would face severe hardships and remain at the bottom of society. Even with this assistance and the restrictions to the right of association, swathes of Africans in non-African nations remain virtual outsiders in the society at large and are unable to fully assimilate to first world norms.

    Non-Africans transplanting to Africa, OTW, are able to both create new nations like South Africa or Rhodesia, and to climb the social and economic ladder. For example, Indians and others who came to Africa generally became market-dominant minorities. While whites built modern nations. In fact Rhodesia and Afrikaner South Africa would still be around had they not been undermined by non-African outsiders.

    Though Israel is not in Africa, does anyone believe that it would not still be the success it is had it been located 500 miles west?
  39. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “I don’t see any other solution” said François Crépeau. “I’m consuming oxygen and space that could be used by an African. Therefore I am committing suicide immediately. Everybody outside Africa should immediately do the same.”

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  40. “The Mediterranean Sea has become a graveyard of desperate migrants on the run from poverty and conflict, looking for a better life. Last year, more than 3,000 died making the crossing from Africa to Europe.”

    How many of the 3,000 who died were retrieved from the sea, and how many lie on the bottom, silted over graveyard-like? If burial at sea was good enough for Osama bin Laden, it’s good enough for refugees from poverty and conflict.

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  41. You know what’s weird? When I read this piece, I instantly thought of a nearly 3 year old essay by Noah Millman, in which he said that the rest of the world would be forced to absorb Africa’s population because we just can’t tolerate letting them starve. I thought he was insane. Then I see you posting about the same topic, and another Millman insisting we accept millions of Africans.

    So either way, get a load of Noah Millman’s piece (and you commented on it, so I know you must remember it, Steve). But are they related? What sort of fools would declare us responsible for absorbing all of Africa?

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    • Replies: @Jeff Albertson
    Noah Millman almost singlehandedly killed AmCon. Well, to be fair Dreher killed it and Millman had his way with the corpse. If someone (hint, hint) could poach Larrison away they could rename it American Baitandswitch.
  42. @Tiny Duck
    1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn't mean others are inferior.

    2. increased african immigration is good for several reasons

    -more diversity

    -less white privielge (good for everyone, especially whites)

    -less of chance for exploitation by white colonialists

    -no need for war since there will be no countries

    -white women will have more of a chance to expereince the ultimate in sexual pleasure

    -it makes humanitarian sense

    -more tolerance

    -more diverse economy

    -less right wing terrorism

    I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. If you are being serious then you are insane. If you are being sarcastic then I commend you on your sense of humor.

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  43. @Priss Factor
    South Africa led the way. Just surrender and accept.

    Turn all of Europe into South Africa.

    First let’s turn Israel into South Africa and let us see how that works out.

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  44. European Union attempts to “seal” borders will continue to fail and more migrants will lose their lives at sea if fleeing refugees aren’t given the right to settle where they want, François Crépeau said on Thursday from New York.

    “I don’t see any other solution for Europe,” he said. “They need to open the borders.”

    Sounds like someone is engineering the final solution of the European problem. And he can say it out loud with impunity. Amazing.

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  45. The Italians started the life-saving Mare Nostrum program

    How Orwellian. “Mare eorum” is more like it.

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  46. @The most deplorable one
    Sorry, I meant Vox Day. I don't read Vox or Slate or places like that. I have too much open source code to write that is really used by people out there.

    Fourth doorman of the apocalypse says: I don’t read Vox or Slate or places like that

    That’s one of the problems. Those on our side (very, very broadly defined) don’t read what the other side says or seek to do something about it. As a result, the other side keeps winning. I’ve been showing Yglesias wrong in comments on his various sites since 2002 or 2003; if I’d gotten help with that we could have changed what he writes now. Vox doesn’t allow comments, but I’ve posted and conducted Twitter campaigns against @DLind. If I’d gotten help with that we could have done something about Vox’s pro-amnesty propaganda. If Vox realized the jig is up on pro-amnesty propaganda, the news of that might even change Obama’s mind about some things. Not only does our side (very, very broadly defined) keep doing things the wrong way, they don’t even realize they’re doing things the wrong way.

    P.S. “Fourth doorman of the apocalypse” lied about me in a very Teaparty way on the SVU thread. I see it subsequently commented on the same thread but didn’t have the integrity to issue a retraction. That willingness to lie and complete lack of integrity is another thing to work on.

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  47. I was in high school working my first “real” summer job during the 1992 presdiential campaign. At my work there was an older lady who talked about how the government wanted to implant a microchip in each of us to track us and how we needed to get the United States out of the United Nations and its one world government, “New World Order,” and all that.

    I remember thinking that lady was batshit crazy.

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  48. Never, but never, are blacks supposed to solve their own problems. It is always someone else’s fault or responsibility. Why is that? Doesn’t anyone believe they are capable? Why, Mr. Millperson? Give me a reason as to why blacks are incapable now or for the last thousand years of building a decent society. East Asians built a world class economy in less than two generations.

    Weren’t they oppressed by WWII; Korea and Mao?

    Eh?

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  49. European Union attempts to “seal” borders will continue to fail

    Implies, especially with the scare quotes, that there is somehow a technical/logistical issue that sealing Europe is not possible.

    Which is bollocks obviously.

    The borders and sea could be largely sealed and the final resort – deporting anyone who gets through – presents no problem. Its not just that the will is lacking, EU governments are actively complicit in the failure. Sealing the border has not failed, its not been tried.

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  50. Here’s the story to make you hurl: the Italian “Coast Guard” saved two thousand refugees (from their own stupidity). Immediately after emptying one of the boats, a boat with a handful of smugglers bearing Kalashnikovs came up, threatened the Italians with their weapons, and took the boat away to be used for another round of smuggling.

    Why would any Italian with a half a fucking brain vote for a politician who allowed their Coast Guard to be treated that way?

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    • Replies: @Kat Grey
    Because the Italians are an emotional people. Show them images of leering African men in costly running shoes jumping off the dinghies as the first step of their Operation Sabine and they start waving their hands, muttering dire predictions of rape and rapine. Then flash a picture of saucer-eyed African babies and their hearts take over. "Poveri pic ciriddi"....
  51. Not that I’ll be alive to check, but I don’t expect a Renaissance following these Dark Ages.

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  52. The West has been able to sustain its lifestyle by maintaining a lock on key natural resources and a stable population. By allowing more of the 3rd world to migrate to their shores, they will have to cut down on their consumption, or turn into another Brazil/India, where a small elite lives in luxury, while surrounded by a sea of poverty.

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    It gets worse than that, The EU is on it's lasts legs economically. Germany is the only healthy state and that's because of it's predatory banking and economic system. First have the EU loan loads of money to the PIIGS and from which they use to buy German merchandise. Well that party has pretty much ended and Greece is getting ready to default and give the ECB and German financial types a serious haircut. Should they default, Countries like Spain and Italy will soon follow. Eventually even the German economy will seize up and viola!! No more welfare state and many locals will be poor and pissed and you can say good bye to open doors. No to mention race riots as well.

    Here's the thing, the European welfare system(like ours) has kept a lid on the multicultural experiment. Should it cease, blacks and Muslims will go nuts and so will a lot of Europeans who will loose their tolerance real fast.

    In Africa, Blacks will be facing competition from the Chinese who are busily eying their resources and are quite aware what a bunch of worthless layabouts Africans are and totally lack our qualms about taking care of them in a terminal manner if they get in the way.
  53. “The EU can’t escape it. This is their future. They should actually embrace it,” Millman said.
    —-
    Hey Joel, can I introduce you to Mrs. Barbara Lerner Spectre ? Oh you to know each other already ? Sorry!

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  54. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    What’s ultimately missing in this whole picture is the question “Why do European countries have militaries? What are they for?” (Okay, maybe the Coast Guard is for saving and hugging illegal immigrants. But all that other expensive stuff? Does it exist for a purpose or not?)

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    • Replies: @WIlkey
    “Why do European countries have militaries? What are they for?”

    Irrelevant. Try this one: why do European countries have bureaucracies that check your ID at every turn - to make sure you have a driver's license, make sure you've paid your taxes, make sure your kid's in school, make sure you are eligible for various welfare programs, ad infinitum?

    "Securing the borders" could easily be done by using the bureaucracy to which everyone is subject to ensure that illegal immigrants can't do a bloody thing once they arrive. No aircraft carriers needed.

    The globocapitalist conspiracy is perfectly fine using government bureaucracy to make the lives of citizens hell, but God forbid they use it to give illegal immigrants any problems.
  55. As I’ve said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Actually a smarter thing would be to prevent non-whites from migrating to both Europe and the United States.
    , @syonredux

    As I’ve said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!
     
    I tend to think that the USA will end up taking in a few hundred million Black Africans. The Left will say that we owe it to them, recompense for the horrors of the slave trade, etc
  56. @anonymous
    What's ultimately missing in this whole picture is the question "Why do European countries have militaries? What are they for?" (Okay, maybe the Coast Guard is for saving and hugging illegal immigrants. But all that other expensive stuff? Does it exist for a purpose or not?)

    “Why do European countries have militaries? What are they for?”

    Irrelevant. Try this one: why do European countries have bureaucracies that check your ID at every turn – to make sure you have a driver’s license, make sure you’ve paid your taxes, make sure your kid’s in school, make sure you are eligible for various welfare programs, ad infinitum?

    “Securing the borders” could easily be done by using the bureaucracy to which everyone is subject to ensure that illegal immigrants can’t do a bloody thing once they arrive. No aircraft carriers needed.

    The globocapitalist conspiracy is perfectly fine using government bureaucracy to make the lives of citizens hell, but God forbid they use it to give illegal immigrants any problems.

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  57. @anony-mouse
    As I've said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!

    Actually a smarter thing would be to prevent non-whites from migrating to both Europe and the United States.

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  58. @jb
    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Yes, in a Darwinian sense they are currently more fit. The problem is people tend to confuse "fit" with "desirable", although the two concepts in fact have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If stupid people are having more children than smart people, then in a Darwinian sense their fitness is higher. That doesn't change the fact that stupidity is a bad thing, not a good thing, and certainly not something we want more of. Once it's understand that "fit" != "good" the concept of fitness becomes less problematic.

    But are they really more fit if those children can only survive through European charity?

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    Yes - European & American charity is the current environment. They would be less fit in a different environment.
  59. “They need to open the borders.”

    Won’t happen. Europeans are much too fond of their welfare state. Most of Europe will probably allow immigration, but only in limited numbers.

    The real solution, of course, is that you rescue illegal infiltrators (to use the Israeli government’s term) from the sea, then you lock them up for a prison term of, say, three years, then you deport them.

    Well, “illegal infiltrators”. Sounds like you are at war with Africa.
    Anyway, won’t happen either. There is a right of asylum. So, it has to be checked whether these people have that right. If they don’t (which is probable in most cases) they should be sent back, though.

    Sending them to prison would cost money, too, BTW. & depending on the country, a lot. You could just as well have them live on welfare then.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    >>Anyway, won’t happen either. There is a right of asylum. <<

    Need to get rid of that, it's become a tool of genocide.
    , @ben tillman

    Well, “illegal infiltrators”. Sounds like you are at war with Africa.
    Anyway, won’t happen either. There is a right of asylum.
     
    Impossible. You can't have a right that, when exercised, violates another right. In this case, the posited right, when exercised, would violate the SAME right of asylum held by others. Whites have a right to asylum from non-White asylum seekers.
  60. @Ohioan
    Good situations don't grow on trees. My extended family helped to make America a good place with their smarts, their hard work, their mutual trust, and their sense of fair play. If they and their neighbors hadn't had those things, then possibly America wouldn't be nice at all.

    If Africa is not a nice place, it's because Africans haven't made it nice (yet). Maybe, if we stop taking in the smartest/best connected ones, those people will take the lead in making Africa nicer.

    Protip: you're probably overstating the enthusiasm the most attractive white women have for black men. Operating on the assumptions you put forth here might prove embarrassing In Real Life. I find that black men draw mostly from the bottom third of white women (in attractiveness and smarts) but the top third (in weight). What you say is fine on here, but don't get put in a position to feel foolish in real life. I've seen many black men get their egos stung trying this stuff, and it appears to leave a deep scar.

    Research seems to indicate that white, Asian and Latina women are not that attracted to black guys:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/women-as-the-drivers-of-between-culture-distance/

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    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc. Also makes spot the White Alpha easier by handicapping White men. Black men prduce ugly daughters but sexy sons. Kanazawas findings have not been discredited. White male super Alphas are the gold standard for hyoergamy but the Kardasians suggest where the tin standard is.

    Europe isdoomed bc a feminized sciety lacks not just the will but means. Italy has no military forces of any real measure to keep people out if it wanted to which it does not.
  61. @Ex Submarine Officer

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.
     
    It possibly could be construed that way for those who construe things in such ways. Judging from population distributions on the ground, those with African heritage are much more able to adapt/transplant to non-African nations than those with non-African heritage have been able to adapt/transplant to African nations.

    And it hasn't been from lack of trying by the non-Africans, the colonial era in Africa wasn't only about a tiny European minority dominating for purposes of resource extraction, etc. There were a number of broad emigration to the colonies schemes encouraged by the mother countries. One that comes to mind were Portuguese to Angola, British to Rhodesia another.

    Judging from population distributions on the ground, those with African heritage are much more able to adapt/transplant to non-African nations than those with non-African heritage have been able to adapt/transplant to African nations.

    And it hasn’t been from lack of trying by the non-Africans, the colonial era in Africa wasn’t only about a tiny European minority dominating for purposes of resource extraction, etc. There were a number of broad emigration to the colonies schemes encouraged by the mother countries. One that comes to mind were Portuguese to Angola, British to Rhodesia another.

    I look at this differently. African transplants in non-African nations are usually on the bottom tier of the social and economic ladder, and advance up the ladder due to generous state assistance. Without that assistance, and with the right of association still respected, Africans in non-African nations would face severe hardships and remain at the bottom of society. Even with this assistance and the restrictions to the right of association, swathes of Africans in non-African nations remain virtual outsiders in the society at large and are unable to fully assimilate to first world norms.

    Non-Africans transplanting to Africa, OTW, are able to both create new nations like South Africa or Rhodesia, and to climb the social and economic ladder. For example, Indians and others who came to Africa generally became market-dominant minorities. While whites built modern nations. In fact Rhodesia and Afrikaner South Africa would still be around had they not been undermined by non-African outsiders.

    Though Israel is not in Africa, does anyone believe that it would not still be the success it is had it been located 500 miles west?

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  62. @Escher
    The West has been able to sustain its lifestyle by maintaining a lock on key natural resources and a stable population. By allowing more of the 3rd world to migrate to their shores, they will have to cut down on their consumption, or turn into another Brazil/India, where a small elite lives in luxury, while surrounded by a sea of poverty.

    It gets worse than that, The EU is on it’s lasts legs economically. Germany is the only healthy state and that’s because of it’s predatory banking and economic system. First have the EU loan loads of money to the PIIGS and from which they use to buy German merchandise. Well that party has pretty much ended and Greece is getting ready to default and give the ECB and German financial types a serious haircut. Should they default, Countries like Spain and Italy will soon follow. Eventually even the German economy will seize up and viola!! No more welfare state and many locals will be poor and pissed and you can say good bye to open doors. No to mention race riots as well.

    Here’s the thing, the European welfare system(like ours) has kept a lid on the multicultural experiment. Should it cease, blacks and Muslims will go nuts and so will a lot of Europeans who will loose their tolerance real fast.

    In Africa, Blacks will be facing competition from the Chinese who are busily eying their resources and are quite aware what a bunch of worthless layabouts Africans are and totally lack our qualms about taking care of them in a terminal manner if they get in the way.

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  63. @anony-mouse
    As I've said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!

    As I’ve said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!

    I tend to think that the USA will end up taking in a few hundred million Black Africans. The Left will say that we owe it to them, recompense for the horrors of the slave trade, etc

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  64. Or maybe they could stay home and defeat Boko Haram?

    Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags.

    Or the defeated Royalists could have stayed back home in England and defeated Cromwell and his cohorts instead of flooding Virginia.

    Or……or……..or………

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.

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    • Replies: @WIlkey
    "Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice."

    The Wampanoags committed suicide by letting the Puritans live. Either way, one culture is committing suicide - those who don't leave, or those who let them into their country.
    , @Beach
    Your comparisons are inherently flawed. Whatever their reasons for leaving England, the Puritans were not coming to a "new world" of flat screen TVs and dole payments. They traded fighting Catholics for fighting American Indians, while building their own homes and trying to survive starvation; which is not the same as arguing with a government employee about how your Section 8 house doesn't have enough bedrooms, and your ebt card isn't covering your food expenses.

    “Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.”

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending that western civilization commit suicide by taking them all in instead of forcing them to solve their own problems on their own turf is not sound advice.

    , @Wilkey
    "Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags."

    I would further add - the Puritans took the hard route, not the easy one. They could've stayed home and abandoned their religious beliefs and been perfectly safe. Instead, they chose to leave one of the most advanced nations on earth, made a voyage across a dangerous ocean, and settled in a land with almost none of the luxuries of 17th Century England. Mortality rates for the previous settlements at Roanake, Jamestown, and Plymouth were not, needless to say, were nothing to be lightly dismissed.

    America's early settlers left a life of luxury to settle in a shithole. Today's "refugees" are doing the reverse. Only an anti-white racist asshole and their mulriculti stooges would suggest the two are remotely comparable.
  65. I read the whole article at the link. Both these guys seem delusional; they seem to think their wish is the First World’s command. I really like the part about the only ones that could be turned away are the terrorists and pedophiles. How nice of them to make two exceptions!

    Professor Crepeau is quite the humanitarian and a top notch negotiator too.

    The final two paragraphs of the article say:

    “Crépeau wants the EU in partnership with the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to commit to resettling 1 million refugees over five years. He suggested a starting point would be Syrians living in refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan.”

    He seems the way to get the Western First World nations to accept lots more more refugees is to tell them that they simply have no choice — they must. But of course that additional 200,000 per year is only a drop in the bucket of the total number of displaced people worldwide.

    So that makes his decision to start the ball rolling by having the West accept families able to pay a smuggler $50,000 even worse:

    “If Europe does that for Syrians, you won’t see these families paying 30,000 euros to smugglers. They won’t do that,” he said, adding instead the Syrians would spend the money in their new home countries to resettle and start contributing to those economies.”

    So he wants to send out the ones who can pay $50,000 to smugglers — the ones who could have afforded to hold out in another Middle Eastern country for years and then return to Syria with some money to rebuild. It hasn’t seemed to occur to him that the ones with enough money to get out will use it. They would rather hand money to someone than wait for years and not get picked to leave.

    This is all so crazy. I feel sorry for the people who are stuck somewhere because of ISIS or whatever with these two clowns put in charge of trying to “help” them.

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    “Europe needs to embrace the migrants appearing on its shores and create a meaningful refugee settlement program that will put human smugglers out of business and save countless lives, says the United Nation’s special rapporteur on human rights of migrants.”

    This makes me angry. Very angry indeed.

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    "This makes me angry. Very angry indeed."

    Okay, I thought I had embedded a cute video of Marvin the Martian to go along with my comment, but for some reason it didn't work. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to do it!
    , @unpc downunder
    Actually with a little editing this statement isn't so bad

    "Europe needs to put human smugglers out of business and save future generations of Europeans endless trouble."

    There, that's what they meant to say.

  67. I wouldn’t worry too much. China is already eying Africa because of it’s natural resources. It wouldn’t be hard for them to move in a half million troops to start assimilating it and neutralizing it’s shiftless native class that is highly dependent on foreign food supplies.

    Look, from a Chinese perspective it’s much better to use their own people over a bunch of blacks that aren’t worth a hill of bean from a labor perspective. I doubt they’d shed a tear if the lot of them starved to death considering how they treat their own laborers.

    The Chinese are patient, they’ll wait for the U.S. to have a economic heart attack and the ensuing social chaos before moving in. Hillary or her successor won’t have the luxury of sending in a bunch of white guys to die for Africa.

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  68. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    I do background investigations for the U.S. Government for national security clearances. (confidential, secret, top secret, SCI, et al.). I would say 25-30% of my work involves recent immigrants from the third world [non-Latin America]. I will work on DHS/ICE TS clearances for people getting good fed jobs for critical-sensitive positions who moved from Mogadishu five years ago and got his/her college degree online. I will get people joining the U.S. military from Sub-Saharan Africa who are non-U.S. citizens getting TS clearances. These people come from lands where there are no street addresses yet I'm required to talk with their neighbors and canvas their neighborhoods. I'll get TSA employees who were born in North Africa who have 20 financial accounts in collection, have been fired from a few previous jobs, have criminal records, yet they are never let go. I have TSA managers who are suspended for 5 days for testing positive for cocaine... three times, yet not only return to their jobs but get promoted. It is a Through the Looking Glass world and no one seems to give a shit.

    ” I would say 25-30% of my work involves recent immigrants from the third world [non-Latin America].”

    Are these people being given preference for their jobs or are there really no better people applying for them?

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  69. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    "Europe needs to embrace the migrants appearing on its shores and create a meaningful refugee settlement program that will put human smugglers out of business and save countless lives, says the United Nation’s special rapporteur on human rights of migrants."

    This makes me angry. Very angry indeed.

    “This makes me angry. Very angry indeed.”

    Okay, I thought I had embedded a cute video of Marvin the Martian to go along with my comment, but for some reason it didn’t work. Maybe someday I’ll figure out how to do it!

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  70. @Anonymous
    "Europe needs to embrace the migrants appearing on its shores and create a meaningful refugee settlement program that will put human smugglers out of business and save countless lives, says the United Nation’s special rapporteur on human rights of migrants."

    This makes me angry. Very angry indeed.

    Actually with a little editing this statement isn’t so bad

    “Europe needs to put human smugglers out of business and save future generations of Europeans endless trouble.”

    There, that’s what they meant to say.

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  71. @Numinous

    Or maybe they could stay home and defeat Boko Haram?
     
    Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags.

    Or the defeated Royalists could have stayed back home in England and defeated Cromwell and his cohorts instead of flooding Virginia.

    Or......or........or.........

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.

    “Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.”

    The Wampanoags committed suicide by letting the Puritans live. Either way, one culture is committing suicide – those who don’t leave, or those who let them into their country.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's not exactly as if the country of Nigeria, with all its oil wealth and its 10,000 man Air Force, is inevitably doomed to lose to the Boko Haram cult.
  72. @WIlkey
    "Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice."

    The Wampanoags committed suicide by letting the Puritans live. Either way, one culture is committing suicide - those who don't leave, or those who let them into their country.

    It’s not exactly as if the country of Nigeria, with all its oil wealth and its 10,000 man Air Force, is inevitably doomed to lose to the Boko Haram cult.

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    • Replies: @colm
    Well they did have a little problem called Biafra. It has to thank that at that time the neocons didn't feel like carving new state out of nothing. (And biafra, unlike South Sudan or other monstrosities the West helped to create in recent years, was quite viable).
  73. @Numinous

    Or maybe they could stay home and defeat Boko Haram?
     
    Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags.

    Or the defeated Royalists could have stayed back home in England and defeated Cromwell and his cohorts instead of flooding Virginia.

    Or......or........or.........

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.

    Your comparisons are inherently flawed. Whatever their reasons for leaving England, the Puritans were not coming to a “new world” of flat screen TVs and dole payments. They traded fighting Catholics for fighting American Indians, while building their own homes and trying to survive starvation; which is not the same as arguing with a government employee about how your Section 8 house doesn’t have enough bedrooms, and your ebt card isn’t covering your food expenses.

    “Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.”

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending that western civilization commit suicide by taking them all in instead of forcing them to solve their own problems on their own turf is not sound advice.

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  74. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ‘Italians feel responsible for Lampedusa’.

    I’m sorry, I might be a hard hearted bastard, but if, someone, any one, does a foolish , reckless and semi-criminal act, without my knowledge, consent and overview, and dies as a result of that willing and self determined act, then in no way do I feel the slightest shred of responsibility.

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    In the second world war, Britain’s Royal Navy absolutely decimated the Italian fleet in the Mediterranean.
    The Royal Navy showed their customary ruthlessness and callousness, causing the deaths by drowning of thousands upon thousands of Italians, but poor Italian tactics and technology were also culpable.
    Anyway, my point is that no including Italians it seems really gives a damn about that pointless and ultimately useless sea-sacrifice of 70 years ago, of real, genuine Italians, caused by the stupidity of Mussolini.
    And yet, Italians are getting all wet eyed by a bunch of opportunistic, lying, deceitful, racially alien invaders whose only object is to take Italy over.

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    Another British "Achievement" on destroying Western Civilization.

    I wish Britain showed the same dedication and effort to Mau Mau.
  76. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ‘The EU can’t escape it. This is their future’.

    An interesting comment.

    Because of the elitist driven Euro disaster, Italy is a nation of acute economic distress and mass unemployment.
    Amazingly, Italy somehow has managed to combine decades and decades of sharply sub-replacement fertility with mass unemployment, particularly youth unemployment. A true triumph of EU economics.
    Anyway, this mere fact on its own proves the lie that massive immigration is ‘needed’ in order to ‘replace’ populations diminished by low fertility. Apparently the Italians prove that you can combine a collapsing workforce with massive unemployment.

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  77. I haven’t taken the idea that whites are racially suicidal seriously.
    Rather, that whites are a race that is torn in too many directions.
    The center cannot hold, as stated by Yeats and re-purposed by Achebe.

    But, yeah, I guess whites have passed the threshold and suicide is it.

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  78. @Luke Lea
    "Current projections are that almost 40% of the world in 2100 will be black African. 4B+ out of 11B ppl."

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I'm having problems with the concept of fitness.

    Yes, but fitness is always relative to the current environment. The current environment is one where subsidised food & medicine among other factors make a high reproduction, low future time orientation strategy more fit. In an environment of globalised Western Civilisation Africans are more fit than Europeans. If the environment changed – civilisation collapse, new ice age, etc – then Europeans might be more fit again.

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  79. @Joe Walker
    But are they really more fit if those children can only survive through European charity?

    Yes – European & American charity is the current environment. They would be less fit in a different environment.

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    • Replies: @Cochise
    So in other words Africans have become extremely fit through adaptation as a parasite upon another organism, i..e., Europeans. I guess that's a type of fitness too.
  80. @bossel

    “They need to open the borders.”
     
    Won't happen. Europeans are much too fond of their welfare state. Most of Europe will probably allow immigration, but only in limited numbers.

    The real solution, of course, is that you rescue illegal infiltrators (to use the Israeli government’s term) from the sea, then you lock them up for a prison term of, say, three years, then you deport them.
     
    Well, "illegal infiltrators". Sounds like you are at war with Africa.
    Anyway, won't happen either. There is a right of asylum. So, it has to be checked whether these people have that right. If they don't (which is probable in most cases) they should be sent back, though.

    Sending them to prison would cost money, too, BTW. & depending on the country, a lot. You could just as well have them live on welfare then.

    >>Anyway, won’t happen either. There is a right of asylum. <<

    Need to get rid of that, it's become a tool of genocide.

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  81. @iSteveFan

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe – perhaps not.
     
    The problem with this statement is that most of Eastern Europe is in the EU, or planning on joining the EU. And if they do, they will have to take Western Europe's population just like any US state has to be open to the residents of the other US states. So long as non-European immigrants are allowed to swamp just one EU nation, let alone several, the demographic camel will have gotten its nose into the European tent.

    The only way Eastern Europe can be saved is to dismantle EU, or at least the free movement of people part. And since I doubt the EU would end the free movement of people on their own, that just leaves one option.

    Most of Eastern Europe consists of Russia and Ukraine. Let’s not forget that Europe, by definition, stretches all the way to the Urals. Some Eastern European countries, like Romania and Bulgaria, are indeed in the EU but they are a small minority. Central European nations, predominantly Catholic, like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary are in the E.U. but they have little to do with Eastern Europe. They used to be part of the Soviet bloc but that was a historical anomaly.
    For centuries they were associated with the Hapsburg dynasty, and western Christianity. Poland was a special case: as the Polish-Lithuanian Republic, from 1400 to 1700 it was the largest country in Europe, around 1550 stretching all the way to northern Italy.

    Western and Central Europe have been defined by Western Christianity, democratic traditions, rule of law, and Latin alphabet. Eastern Europe has been defined by Eastern Christianity, despotism inherited from the Byzantine tradition and the Mongol rule, corruption, and Cyrillic alphabet. Just check the alphabet of a given country, and you’ll know where you are.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    >Just check the alphabet of a given country, and you’ll know where you are.

    Not really. I went back to my father's hometown in Poland to do genealogical research and the older registry books (pre-WWI) were written in Russian Cyrillic. In my mother's hometown in present day western Ukraine, all the signs today are in Cyrillic but when she was growing up it was in Poland (briefly, between the world wars) and before that part of the Austro-Hungarian empire for several centuries and the signs were all in the Roman alphabet . Eastern Europe is the borderland where east meets west and the border keeps shifting back and forth - sometime it is firmly part of the West -Cracow looks like Sienna, except not as sunny, and sometimes it is in the East - postwar Warsaw was rebuilt in Stalinist style. Even as we speak, the East is advancing westward thru Ukraine.
  82. @Chang
    So which European countries will manage to stay European?
    Best guess is Eastern Europe - nobody wants to move there.

    This population explosion in Africa is - possibly -- the last big population boom. So any country that remain intact ethnically during that, has a good chance of remaining intact ... indefinitely.

    But for the next 50 years Africa is gonna be bursting at the seams and spewing out a constant stream of black people to colonize the world.

    East Asia is protected by their racism. Western Europe will be colonized easily. Eastern Europe - perhaps not.

    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world’s most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

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    You clearly know very little about China. China is communist in name only, the party wants to hold power (which party doesn't) and that is about its only ideology. The Chinese are less marxist than Americans are, they want to make money, not reshape the world into an equality Utopia.
    , @Anonymous
    from Africa–China_relations

    Historically, little is known about early African immigration to China. Due to recent developments in relations,[ambiguous] many[quantify] have been relocating for better opportunities. Places dubbed 'Little Africa' and 'Chocolate city' are increasingly receiving new immigrants, mostly Nigerians. Most of the African immigrants are concentrated in the area of Guangzhou with an estimated number of 20,000.[55] It is estimated that there are around 10,000 illegal African immigrants in China and police crackdowns have intensified since early 2009.[56]
     
    On the other hand the number of Chinese in Africa is believed to be more than 1 million.

    Africans maybe fitter than Europeans, it seems Chinese is the fittest of the three.

    China is a Communist hellhole,
     
    ... Or by @Anon3's theory China is more of a hell hole than Africa... ...Naaah.
    , @Jack D
    > It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history.

    You're absolutely right about that - I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn't believe my eyes. All those pictures of mag-lev trains and 1,000 ft skyscrapers and shopping malls and such - they were totally fake. Communist propaganda. There were just a bunch of toothless peasant women squatting on the ground, hawking mopane worms and maize beer.

    , @dfordoom
    and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West.
  83. @Anon 3
    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world's most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It's astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    You clearly know very little about China. China is communist in name only, the party wants to hold power (which party doesn’t) and that is about its only ideology. The Chinese are less marxist than Americans are, they want to make money, not reshape the world into an equality Utopia.

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    When i said "Communist" I meant that the Communist Party (80 million strong, the largest party in the world) which runs the government still owns the banks, the media, and the land in China. Dissent is still brutally suppressed, and access to information is tightly controlled.

    Apparently many people on this forum get hypnotized by the large coastal cities like Shanghai, and forget they are a tiny, totally unrepresentative part of China. It's sort of like judging Russia based on Moscow. China has, indeed, made a lot of progress in the last 30 years but nevertheless was stagnant and achieved very little for most of its 3,000 year history. Now the growth in China slowing down, partly because the invention of 3-D printing and automated sewing machines is reducing the need for cheap Chinese slave labor. This may spell disaster in the near future as China is still experiencing a population explosion - adding 7 million people a year.

    Africans are settling in southern China, I suppose compared to Africa China is an improvement,but that's a minuscule flow relative to the massive emigration from China. China's diaspora, mostly in Asia, is about 300 million people so altogether there are 1.7 billion Chinese in the world. The Chinese have always wanted to escape the despotic rule at home. Meanwhile, they irresponsibly added 800 million people to their population since WW II, which may be affecting the global climate. You can already detect particulate matter carried by the westerly winds all the way to California, although Japan gets the brunt of Chinese pollution.

    China is also sending millions of students abroad, some of them are government-paid spies so next time you see a nice Chinese graduate student, watch out. The Chinese culture is collectivist, conformist, and has historically displayed a very low level of creativity so they need to steal scientific and technological secrets from the West in order to close the gap with Europe and N. America. Let's not forget that the GDP per capita in China is still tiny, $9,800, the level of North African countries, as compared to $53,000 in the U.S.

  84. Africa can produce new people, new wars, new famines, new problems of all kinds at a much faster rate than Europe can absorb the consequences thereof.

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    @Anon 3
    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world's most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It's astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    from Africa–China_relations

    Historically, little is known about early African immigration to China. Due to recent developments in relations,[ambiguous] many[quantify] have been relocating for better opportunities. Places dubbed ‘Little Africa’ and ‘Chocolate city’ are increasingly receiving new immigrants, mostly Nigerians. Most of the African immigrants are concentrated in the area of Guangzhou with an estimated number of 20,000.[55] It is estimated that there are around 10,000 illegal African immigrants in China and police crackdowns have intensified since early 2009.[56]

    On the other hand the number of Chinese in Africa is believed to be more than 1 million.

    Africans maybe fitter than Europeans, it seems Chinese is the fittest of the three.

    China is a Communist hellhole,

    … Or by @Anon3′s theory China is more of a hell hole than Africa… …Naaah.

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    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Peter Frost has an article up on the number of Africans in China:

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/go-east-young-african/

    The estimates are around 500,000 it seems.
  86. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In past decades lefty Italian governments, ever eager to show to the world their ‘moral’ and ‘compassionate’ cooties luxuriated in granting millions of illegal immigrants squatting in Italy ‘amnesty’. This the silly bastard lefties did several times. Of course the only real result of this foolish and self-indulgent course of action was to expo ate the number of illegal immigrants to the ridiculous situation we see today.

    Notice how the UK, with its much longer history of mass third world immigration never does ‘amnesties’, even when including the reign of madness of New Labour.

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  87. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In all honesty, what we are seeing in Italy is not immigration but an invasion. An unarmed invasion, but still an invasion nevertheless. I just wish my people would call it out that way.
    Stripped of all the bullshit, it’s an invasion in which ethny is making a determined effort to take over and displace another ethny on the living space occupied by the receiving ethny. Nothing more nothing less.

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  88. “Arrigo Sacchi has denied he is racist after claiming Italy’s youth set-up features ‘too many blacks’.”

    He later clarified: “I just wanted to underline the fact that we’re losing our national pride and identity.”

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31500131

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  89. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ‘The EU can’t escape it. This is their future’.

    EU, you’re old, you’re white, you’re finished.

    Sounds like the Newsweek Obama conqueror cover.

    But I dare anyone to tell Israelis, “tear down the wall and surrender to non-stop Arab immigration; it is your future and you can’t stop it.”

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  90. It’s hard not to sympathize with these people. On the one hand, they want to destroy Europeans now Now NOW! On the other, they have to boil the frog and work within existing resources. It’s a tough position to be in.

    ****

    I would like everyone here to know that vast regions of central Asia are practically uninhabited. China’s interior very much included. Those regions can hold millions of African refugees. And since Chinese are the Cognitively Elite Master Race, they’re much better suited to working out the problems of how to feed, clothe, and house those millions. Russia has a lot of space in Siberia, but unfortunately it’s much too cold for sub-Saharan African tastes, and just as important, Russians aren’t up to the cognitive challenge.

    Brett
    says:

    February 17, 2015 at 1:45 am GMT • 100 Words

    1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn’t mean others are inferior.

    This is true. Which is why I insist that Israel be moved to the front of the line. They’re more deserving, and, conveniently, more in need.

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.

    I guess that’s a rhetorical question, but the answer is no, precisely because the question of fitness is fluid; flexible strategizing is required.

    Steve, I am also interested in liberal Jews advocating for more immigration. It seems they believe that they cannot take any other position and remain consistent, because FDR wouldn’t take in boats or something.

    Then all we have to do is show them what they’re supporting overseas in the Levantine Reich; if they want to stay consistent they’ll become rabidly anti-open-borders.

    I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. If you are being serious then you are insane. If you are being sarcastic then I commend you on your sense of humor.

    This.

    First let’s turn Israel into South Africa and let us see how that works out.

    And this.

    As I’ve said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!

    It’s interesting that you made sure to announce that you aren’t worried about it (and don’t really believe in a coming minority-majority future). Kudos to being impenetrable to facts or logic.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    I would like everyone here to know that vast regions of central Asia are practically uninhabited. China’s interior very much included. Those regions can hold millions of African refugees. And since Chinese are the Cognitively Elite Master Race, they’re much better suited to working out the problems of how to feed, clothe, and house those millions.

    Why should either Europeans or Asians have to solve the problems of Africa? Liberals and others are constantly telling us that Africans are our racial equals. If this is true then let the Africans solve their own problems.
  91. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Turn the other gate.

    Btw, maybe that’s what Nazis should have told the Russians.

    Just surrender and embrace your enslavement.

    And why did Russians eventually push out the Mongols? Why did Greeks eventually push out the Turks? Why did the Vietnamese eventually drive out the French? Why did the Spanish drive out the Moors?
    Those dummies!! They denied themselves the glorious future of permanent colonization by wondrous foreign invaders.

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  92. @bossel

    “They need to open the borders.”
     
    Won't happen. Europeans are much too fond of their welfare state. Most of Europe will probably allow immigration, but only in limited numbers.

    The real solution, of course, is that you rescue illegal infiltrators (to use the Israeli government’s term) from the sea, then you lock them up for a prison term of, say, three years, then you deport them.
     
    Well, "illegal infiltrators". Sounds like you are at war with Africa.
    Anyway, won't happen either. There is a right of asylum. So, it has to be checked whether these people have that right. If they don't (which is probable in most cases) they should be sent back, though.

    Sending them to prison would cost money, too, BTW. & depending on the country, a lot. You could just as well have them live on welfare then.

    Well, “illegal infiltrators”. Sounds like you are at war with Africa.
    Anyway, won’t happen either. There is a right of asylum.

    Impossible. You can’t have a right that, when exercised, violates another right. In this case, the posited right, when exercised, would violate the SAME right of asylum held by others. Whites have a right to asylum from non-White asylum seekers.

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  93. Italy recently passed an anchor baby law granting citizenship to anyone born there, so that could be an additional inducement to the “migrants.” The anchor baby law was pushed through by an African-Italian (no surprise there.)

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Italy recently passed an anchor baby law granting citizenship to anyone born there, so that could be an additional inducement to the “migrants.” The anchor baby law was pushed through by an African-Italian (no surprise there.)"

    I wondered about this, so I went Googling for info on it. Here's one piece I found, from a group called the "Migration Policy Institute," an "independent" organization which, conveniently, happens to be funded by the taxpayers of the EU. It speaks of "comprehensive" reforms to Italian and EU immigration law, and makes no bones about why it wants to get citizenship for immigrants - so the Left can win elections.

    See here and here, for example.

    I once thought conspiracy theories for were for nutters. While I'm not exactly a believer in the Pentavaret, etc., it's hard to deny that there is a large-scale, well-planned effort by the Far Left to completely remake Western Civilization, and the includes making whites the minority in every historically white nation.

  94. @Numinous

    Or maybe they could stay home and defeat Boko Haram?
     
    Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags.

    Or the defeated Royalists could have stayed back home in England and defeated Cromwell and his cohorts instead of flooding Virginia.

    Or......or........or.........

    Every population in the world has faced (and will face) hard times, and recommending they commit suicide by trying to fight a superior force back home instead of trying to migrate is not sound advice.

    “Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags.”

    I would further add – the Puritans took the hard route, not the easy one. They could’ve stayed home and abandoned their religious beliefs and been perfectly safe. Instead, they chose to leave one of the most advanced nations on earth, made a voyage across a dangerous ocean, and settled in a land with almost none of the luxuries of 17th Century England. Mortality rates for the previous settlements at Roanake, Jamestown, and Plymouth were not, needless to say, were nothing to be lightly dismissed.

    America’s early settlers left a life of luxury to settle in a shithole. Today’s “refugees” are doing the reverse. Only an anti-white racist asshole and their mulriculti stooges would suggest the two are remotely comparable.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome - the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw - a laid back approach to life that didn't take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.
    , @Numinous
    Let's compare apples and apples. I was responding to Steve's comment about Nigerians escaping Boko Haram's persecution, not about Nigerians dreaming about flat screen TVs and welfare checks. Now, my knowledge of current affairs in Nigeria is very limited, but reports in the media indicate that thhe Boko Haram is to Nigeria what ISIS is to Syria. Which is, to say, people against those respective organizations can choose to stay and fight (a choice that is likely suicidal) or they could choose to escape to whatever country will take them.

    Regarding the Puritans. As Jack D says, they did move to Holland (a kindred country) but chose not to stay there. They also had the option of moving to another (slightly less) kindred country, Prussia, where the Elector had recently converted to Calvinism and was welcoming foreign Calvinists with open arms. But no, they chose to go to a country where land was freely available for the taking as the natives were technologically backward and beyond the pale of official protection, being non-Christians. And when you speak of a "life of luxury", you are just projecting into the past. What were the big differences in "material comfort" between 16th century England and pre-colonial New England? What really made a difference: land, availability of food, opportunity to setup up a new life free of class strictures, were far more abundant where the Puritans were heading to.

    I hope my original comment conveyed that I APPROVED of the Puritans' (and later Cavaliers') decision to emigrate. They needed to do that then, just as people of other (mostly non-white) races need to do that today.
  95. @Anon 3
    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world's most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It's astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    > It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history.

    You’re absolutely right about that – I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn’t believe my eyes. All those pictures of mag-lev trains and 1,000 ft skyscrapers and shopping malls and such – they were totally fake. Communist propaganda. There were just a bunch of toothless peasant women squatting on the ground, hawking mopane worms and maize beer.

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    "It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history."

    "You’re absolutely right about that – I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn’t believe my eyes."


    It is true enough that Chinese were serious underachievers.

    They had so much but did so little, so said Burke on TV show CONNECTIONS.
    They had all the ingredients to do the things that Europe did but didn't.
    I guess the same could be said of the Romans and Byzantines. At some point they stopped growing and began to stagnate.

    From MULHOLLAND DR.

    Cowboy: A man's attitude... a man's attitude goes some ways. The way his life will be. Is that somethin' you agree with?

    Adam Kesher: Sure.

    Cowboy: Now... did you answer cause you thought that's what I wanted to hear, or did you think about what I said and answer cause you truly believe that to be right?

    Adam Kesher: I agree with what you said, truthfully.

    Cowboy: What'd I say?

    Adam Kesher: Uh... that a man's attitude determines, to a large extent, how his life will be.

    Cowboy: So since you agree, you must be someone who does not care about the good life.

    --------

    Same with nations. If only Chinese had a different attitude when the Brits first came with gifts of technology, trade, and friendship, things might have ended up differently.
    But the Chinese attitude of complacent chauvinism, arrogant disinterest, and sneering pompousness made then blind as a bat to the dangers all around them.

    Could be Wade is right that there is less individualist spark among Asians. (But then why did the white Byzantine just fade? And Ottomans are white too, but they just faded too in time.)
    Did Asian culture discourage sparks of creativity?
    Or were there sparks of ingenuity but also the absence of receptive environment?

    Imagine two mounds of leaves. One is dry and the other is wet.
    Suppose you strike two flint stones to make sparks in equal measure over the two mounds.
    The dry leaves will catch fire. The wet leaves will not--even if you strike the stones over it for hours on end. Maybe east asia had enough sparks but failed to develop the dry leaves environment.

    This is one problem for Cons in culture.
    Cons aren't into culture, so there's little receptive/welcoming place for creativity in the Con world.
    Con World doesn't light up to creative sparks.
    So, even talented Cons have to go to Liberal places to find a receptive and encouraging audience... and they become more Lib as time goes on.

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/02/camo-and-conversions-the-parallels-between-duck-dynasty-and-dante-culture.html
  96. @Wilkey
    "Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags."

    I would further add - the Puritans took the hard route, not the easy one. They could've stayed home and abandoned their religious beliefs and been perfectly safe. Instead, they chose to leave one of the most advanced nations on earth, made a voyage across a dangerous ocean, and settled in a land with almost none of the luxuries of 17th Century England. Mortality rates for the previous settlements at Roanake, Jamestown, and Plymouth were not, needless to say, were nothing to be lightly dismissed.

    America's early settlers left a life of luxury to settle in a shithole. Today's "refugees" are doing the reverse. Only an anti-white racist asshole and their mulriculti stooges would suggest the two are remotely comparable.

    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome – the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw – a laid back approach to life that didn’t take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.

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    The Puritans were actually a very well-educated people, and the religious motivation for their migration to America has no bearing on the fact that they fled a wealthy civilization to live in a wilderness - completely unlike today's migrants and "refugees," who come fleeing effort and labor in search of a welfare state.
    , @syonredux

    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome – the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw – a laid back approach to life that didn’t take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.
     
    The actual reason is far simpler, dear fellow.They were English, and they wanted their descendants to be English.They did not care to see their blood contaminated by an alien race:

    Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this willdernes; but they cried unto ye Lord, and he heard their voyce, and looked on their adversitie, &c. Let them therfore praise ye Lord, because he is good, & his mercies endure for ever.
     
  97. @Seer
    Italy recently passed an anchor baby law granting citizenship to anyone born there, so that could be an additional inducement to the "migrants." The anchor baby law was pushed through by an African-Italian (no surprise there.)

    Italy recently passed an anchor baby law granting citizenship to anyone born there, so that could be an additional inducement to the “migrants.” The anchor baby law was pushed through by an African-Italian (no surprise there.)”

    I wondered about this, so I went Googling for info on it. Here’s one piece I found, from a group called the “Migration Policy Institute,” an “independent” organization which, conveniently, happens to be funded by the taxpayers of the EU. It speaks of “comprehensive” reforms to Italian and EU immigration law, and makes no bones about why it wants to get citizenship for immigrants – so the Left can win elections.

    See here and here, for example.

    I once thought conspiracy theories for were for nutters. While I’m not exactly a believer in the Pentavaret, etc., it’s hard to deny that there is a large-scale, well-planned effort by the Far Left to completely remake Western Civilization, and the includes making whites the minority in every historically white nation.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Do the tourists of the world really want to see Italy turn into another Los Angeles of strip malls with Cambodian donut shops and Vietnamese nail salons?
  98. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    from Africa–China_relations

    Historically, little is known about early African immigration to China. Due to recent developments in relations,[ambiguous] many[quantify] have been relocating for better opportunities. Places dubbed 'Little Africa' and 'Chocolate city' are increasingly receiving new immigrants, mostly Nigerians. Most of the African immigrants are concentrated in the area of Guangzhou with an estimated number of 20,000.[55] It is estimated that there are around 10,000 illegal African immigrants in China and police crackdowns have intensified since early 2009.[56]
     
    On the other hand the number of Chinese in Africa is believed to be more than 1 million.

    Africans maybe fitter than Europeans, it seems Chinese is the fittest of the three.

    China is a Communist hellhole,
     
    ... Or by @Anon3's theory China is more of a hell hole than Africa... ...Naaah.

    Peter Frost has an article up on the number of Africans in China:

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/go-east-young-african/

    The estimates are around 500,000 it seems.

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  99. @ricpic
    It's surrealistic but happening never the less, Europe and the United States are committing suicide by way of "right thinking," otherwise known as being nice to your home invader

    Europe and the United States are committing suicide by way of “right thinking,”

    Sort of like those mice infected with T Gondii commit suicide, eh? If only we could sit those mice down, talk some sense into them, and make them see that hanging around cats isn’t exactly in their best interest. Clearly, the problem is that they have become, like, intellectually convinced that cats are their friends. Either that or they want to die. Oh well, sigh, whaddaya whaddaya?

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  100. @Anon 2
    Most of Eastern Europe consists of Russia and Ukraine. Let's not forget that Europe, by definition, stretches all the way to the Urals. Some Eastern European countries, like Romania and Bulgaria, are indeed in the EU but they are a small minority. Central European nations, predominantly Catholic, like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary are in the E.U. but they have little to do with Eastern Europe. They used to be part of the Soviet bloc but that was a historical anomaly.
    For centuries they were associated with the Hapsburg dynasty, and western Christianity. Poland was a special case: as the Polish-Lithuanian Republic, from 1400 to 1700 it was the largest country in Europe, around 1550 stretching all the way to northern Italy.

    Western and Central Europe have been defined by Western Christianity, democratic traditions, rule of law, and Latin alphabet. Eastern Europe has been defined by Eastern Christianity, despotism inherited from the Byzantine tradition and the Mongol rule, corruption, and Cyrillic alphabet. Just check the alphabet of a given country, and you'll know where you are.

    >Just check the alphabet of a given country, and you’ll know where you are.

    Not really. I went back to my father’s hometown in Poland to do genealogical research and the older registry books (pre-WWI) were written in Russian Cyrillic. In my mother’s hometown in present day western Ukraine, all the signs today are in Cyrillic but when she was growing up it was in Poland (briefly, between the world wars) and before that part of the Austro-Hungarian empire for several centuries and the signs were all in the Roman alphabet . Eastern Europe is the borderland where east meets west and the border keeps shifting back and forth – sometime it is firmly part of the West -Cracow looks like Sienna, except not as sunny, and sometimes it is in the East – postwar Warsaw was rebuilt in Stalinist style. Even as we speak, the East is advancing westward thru Ukraine.

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  101. @Wilkey
    Italy recently passed an anchor baby law granting citizenship to anyone born there, so that could be an additional inducement to the “migrants.” The anchor baby law was pushed through by an African-Italian (no surprise there.)"

    I wondered about this, so I went Googling for info on it. Here's one piece I found, from a group called the "Migration Policy Institute," an "independent" organization which, conveniently, happens to be funded by the taxpayers of the EU. It speaks of "comprehensive" reforms to Italian and EU immigration law, and makes no bones about why it wants to get citizenship for immigrants - so the Left can win elections.

    See here and here, for example.

    I once thought conspiracy theories for were for nutters. While I'm not exactly a believer in the Pentavaret, etc., it's hard to deny that there is a large-scale, well-planned effort by the Far Left to completely remake Western Civilization, and the includes making whites the minority in every historically white nation.

    Do the tourists of the world really want to see Italy turn into another Los Angeles of strip malls with Cambodian donut shops and Vietnamese nail salons?

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    • Replies: @colm
    They don't care. Chinese tourists to Italy only goes to Chinese restaurants, Indian tourists to there only goes to Indian restaurants, etc. As long as they have the landmarks to take their selfies they don't give a crap.
  102. @Jack D
    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome - the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw - a laid back approach to life that didn't take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.

    The Puritans were actually a very well-educated people, and the religious motivation for their migration to America has no bearing on the fact that they fled a wealthy civilization to live in a wilderness – completely unlike today’s migrants and “refugees,” who come fleeing effort and labor in search of a welfare state.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think the religious motivation had EVERYTHING to do with it. Fleeing poverty to live in a much richer country with generous welfare benefits makes a lot of sense (if I were a Somali I would want to do the same). Leaving comfortable Leyden to take a dangerous sea voyage and live at the edge of the known universe in starvation conditions surrounded by hostile natives only makes sense if you think that you are going to save your eternal soul and that of your children. Myself, I would be hanging around the Dutch brown cafes (some of them have been there since Pilgrim times) knocking back beers and singing songs with the nice Dutch people. The stakes have to be more important to you than your very life. Religion is one of the things that people are literally willing to die for.
  103. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    > It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history.

    You're absolutely right about that - I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn't believe my eyes. All those pictures of mag-lev trains and 1,000 ft skyscrapers and shopping malls and such - they were totally fake. Communist propaganda. There were just a bunch of toothless peasant women squatting on the ground, hawking mopane worms and maize beer.

    “It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history.”

    “You’re absolutely right about that – I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn’t believe my eyes.”

    It is true enough that Chinese were serious underachievers.

    They had so much but did so little, so said Burke on TV show CONNECTIONS.
    They had all the ingredients to do the things that Europe did but didn’t.
    I guess the same could be said of the Romans and Byzantines. At some point they stopped growing and began to stagnate.

    From MULHOLLAND DR.

    Cowboy: A man’s attitude… a man’s attitude goes some ways. The way his life will be. Is that somethin’ you agree with?

    Adam Kesher: Sure.

    Cowboy: Now… did you answer cause you thought that’s what I wanted to hear, or did you think about what I said and answer cause you truly believe that to be right?

    Adam Kesher: I agree with what you said, truthfully.

    Cowboy: What’d I say?

    Adam Kesher: Uh… that a man’s attitude determines, to a large extent, how his life will be.

    Cowboy: So since you agree, you must be someone who does not care about the good life.

    ——–

    Same with nations. If only Chinese had a different attitude when the Brits first came with gifts of technology, trade, and friendship, things might have ended up differently.
    But the Chinese attitude of complacent chauvinism, arrogant disinterest, and sneering pompousness made then blind as a bat to the dangers all around them.

    Could be Wade is right that there is less individualist spark among Asians. (But then why did the white Byzantine just fade? And Ottomans are white too, but they just faded too in time.)
    Did Asian culture discourage sparks of creativity?
    Or were there sparks of ingenuity but also the absence of receptive environment?

    Imagine two mounds of leaves. One is dry and the other is wet.
    Suppose you strike two flint stones to make sparks in equal measure over the two mounds.
    The dry leaves will catch fire. The wet leaves will not–even if you strike the stones over it for hours on end. Maybe east asia had enough sparks but failed to develop the dry leaves environment.

    This is one problem for Cons in culture.
    Cons aren’t into culture, so there’s little receptive/welcoming place for creativity in the Con world.
    Con World doesn’t light up to creative sparks.
    So, even talented Cons have to go to Liberal places to find a receptive and encouraging audience… and they become more Lib as time goes on.

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/02/camo-and-conversions-the-parallels-between-duck-dynasty-and-dante-culture.html

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    The Chinese were keeping up fairly well through most of history, but then in the West you had the Renaissance followed by the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution and the West took off exponentially, creating knowledge and wealth far beyond what any group of humans had ever done before, while the Chinese kept doing what they had been doing for 5,000 years, figuring that a tried and true formula was the safest course.

    When the Chinese Emperor wrote to the British that he couldn't really think of anything that he wanted to buy from them at the time, he was right (sorta - he should have said, "lots of guns so I can keep you bastards out of my country"). The British couldn't think of anything that they could sell the Chinese for their tea and porcelain until they came up with the bright idea of addicting millions of Chinese to opium grown in their Indian colony. This is probably one of the single most immoral acts in all of history.
    , @Sean
    There is another way to look at that, the girls with black boyfriends still pay a reputational cost especially in the US. What proportion would go for blacks if there was no such cost is probably much higher and close to European mores. Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.
  104. @Sam
    One has to wonder if the world is heading to a permanent dark age.

    Trips to Mars, biotech, 3D printing. What an exciting future

    Who is going to create the wealth for this stuff?
    Who is going to be smart enough to develop it?

    Europeans won't be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.

    Maybe Japan?

    Europeans won’t be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.

    How smart and how coldly calculating do you think the Chinese leadership are? What has happened in S Africa is that the whites are trying to run to other, less black, countries. The high ability ones are succeeding.

    Are the Chinese smart enough and hard headed enough to grasp that letting in a lot of high ability whites is probably good for their country? If so, then that is the solution to the problem you lay out. Lots of smart white people will go to China.

    More broadly, I think you disbelieve your eyes and that is causing you to have a failure of imagination. When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won’t be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible. And if we don’t fall apart, then what’s the problem?

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    • Replies: @colm
    China is slowly conquering the West that way.

    It doesn't mind its best and brightest women marrying well-learned whites (usually Jews).

    After all, every conquering tribe was subdued that way. The conqueror comes with a strong army. Chinese nobles offer their fairest beauties. the conqueror's tribesmen take lots of Chinese concubines. One century later they have all become Chinese.

    The Mongols tried Korean women to avoid mating with the Chinese, which didn't really work out.

    , @Simon in London
    "When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won’t be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible."

    Makes sense. My worry would be that the US does not fall apart, just gets nastier and nastier.
  105. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Speaking of the above mentioned attraction of white females for black males, it’s very very very marginal. Heck only a paltry 53% out of white American whoredom agree to do interracial porn:

    http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/interracial-porn-isnt-profitable/

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  106. @Jack D
    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome - the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw - a laid back approach to life that didn't take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.

    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome – the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw – a laid back approach to life that didn’t take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.

    The actual reason is far simpler, dear fellow.They were English, and they wanted their descendants to be English.They did not care to see their blood contaminated by an alien race:

    Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this willdernes; but they cried unto ye Lord, and he heard their voyce, and looked on their adversitie, &c. Let them therfore praise ye Lord, because he is good, & his mercies endure for ever.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    But when they got here they didn't mind shacking up with the Indian ladies, my dear boy to whom I condescend by calling you "my dear boy"? It's pretty hard to think of the Dutch as an "alien race" to the British unless you define race more narrowly than most humans.

    If they wanted to stay English they could have stayed in England. They wanted to stay English AND practice their fanatic cult religion.
  107. @Neutral
    Truly sickening, and as usual most won't care about such stories. Some will be fooled into thinking that ISIS is the most important thing, others will think its debt levels or stock market prices, and then there are those whites that think the white race going extinct is a good thing.

    “…. and then there are those whites that think the white race going extinct is a good thing.”
    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people. The fifteen point average IQ advantage the Ashkenazi Jews have over whites is just overwhelming. The few whites that have a decent IQ are screwed by their own.

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    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people.

    Why? The whites with low IQs are the ones having children while the high IQ ones are the most likely to die childless.
  108. @education realist
    You know what's weird? When I read this piece, I instantly thought of a nearly 3 year old essay by Noah Millman, in which he said that the rest of the world would be forced to absorb Africa's population because we just can't tolerate letting them starve. I thought he was insane. Then I see you posting about the same topic, and another Millman insisting we accept millions of Africans.

    So either way, get a load of Noah Millman's piece (and you commented on it, so I know you must remember it, Steve). But are they related? What sort of fools would declare us responsible for absorbing all of Africa?

    Noah Millman almost singlehandedly killed AmCon. Well, to be fair Dreher killed it and Millman had his way with the corpse. If someone (hint, hint) could poach Larrison away they could rename it American Baitandswitch.

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  109. @Joe Walker
    Research seems to indicate that white, Asian and Latina women are not that attracted to black guys:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/women-as-the-drivers-of-between-culture-distance/

    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc. Also makes spot the White Alpha easier by handicapping White men. Black men prduce ugly daughters but sexy sons. Kanazawas findings have not been discredited. White male super Alphas are the gold standard for hyoergamy but the Kardasians suggest where the tin standard is.

    Europe isdoomed bc a feminized sciety lacks not just the will but means. Italy has no military forces of any real measure to keep people out if it wanted to which it does not.

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    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc.
     
    Did you even read the linked post to Razib that Joe Walker provided?
    , @Joe Walker
    So most white women are like the Kardashians to you? Please stop projecting your lack of success with women onto other white men.
  110. @Wilkey
    The Puritans were actually a very well-educated people, and the religious motivation for their migration to America has no bearing on the fact that they fled a wealthy civilization to live in a wilderness - completely unlike today's migrants and "refugees," who come fleeing effort and labor in search of a welfare state.

    I think the religious motivation had EVERYTHING to do with it. Fleeing poverty to live in a much richer country with generous welfare benefits makes a lot of sense (if I were a Somali I would want to do the same). Leaving comfortable Leyden to take a dangerous sea voyage and live at the edge of the known universe in starvation conditions surrounded by hostile natives only makes sense if you think that you are going to save your eternal soul and that of your children. Myself, I would be hanging around the Dutch brown cafes (some of them have been there since Pilgrim times) knocking back beers and singing songs with the nice Dutch people. The stakes have to be more important to you than your very life. Religion is one of the things that people are literally willing to die for.

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  111. for a prison term

    A cot and three hots plus free medical care. A holiday camp to them, and will cost 10 times more than just letting them in. Moreover these men (they are mainly young men) are a social bomb in their home countries. This is why they will never be stopped leaving, can’t be stopped landing, and won’t be stopped infiltrating.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    This is why they will never be stopped leaving, can’t be stopped landing, and won’t be stopped infiltrating.

    Of course they can be stopped. You just have to treat them as the dangerous invaders that they are and act accordingly.
  112. @syonredux

    The actual history was that the Puritans were living as refugees in Holland, where they were quite welcome – the Dutch have a long history of being tolerant. In fact, too welcome. Their kids started hanging around with the Dutch kids and they kind of liked what they saw – a laid back approach to life that didn’t take religion all that seriously. They had to go somewhere where they could keep the kids isolated and indoctrinated in their cult, the way the Mormons went to Utah or the Peoples Temple move to the jungles of Guyana.
     
    The actual reason is far simpler, dear fellow.They were English, and they wanted their descendants to be English.They did not care to see their blood contaminated by an alien race:

    Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this willdernes; but they cried unto ye Lord, and he heard their voyce, and looked on their adversitie, &c. Let them therfore praise ye Lord, because he is good, & his mercies endure for ever.
     

    But when they got here they didn’t mind shacking up with the Indian ladies, my dear boy to whom I condescend by calling you “my dear boy”? It’s pretty hard to think of the Dutch as an “alien race” to the British unless you define race more narrowly than most humans.

    If they wanted to stay English they could have stayed in England. They wanted to stay English AND practice their fanatic cult religion.

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    But when they got here they didn’t mind shacking up with the Indian ladies, my dear boy to whom I condescend by calling you “my dear boy”?
     
    Dear fellow, they didn't "shack up" (as you so quaintly put it) with Amerinds.The Puritans and Pilgrims are virtually unique in the annals of of pre-modern migration.They brought their women with them.Hence, there was no need to interbreed.

    It’s pretty hard to think of the Dutch as an “alien race” to the British unless you define race more narrowly than most humans.
     
    Dear fellow, I'm defining it as the English would have seen it in the 17th century.They did not want their grandchildren to become a mob of squawking Dutchmen.They wanted to remain English.

    If they wanted to stay English they could have stayed in England. They wanted to stay English AND practice their fanatic cult religion.
     
    Of course dear fellow.The Puritans could have their cake and eat it too.By transplanting an entire community of English people (the Great Migration of 1620-40 brought roughly 20,000 English to New England)they were able to both preserve their racial integrity and to practice their Calvinistic creed.
  113. @Priss Factor
    "It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history."

    "You’re absolutely right about that – I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn’t believe my eyes."


    It is true enough that Chinese were serious underachievers.

    They had so much but did so little, so said Burke on TV show CONNECTIONS.
    They had all the ingredients to do the things that Europe did but didn't.
    I guess the same could be said of the Romans and Byzantines. At some point they stopped growing and began to stagnate.

    From MULHOLLAND DR.

    Cowboy: A man's attitude... a man's attitude goes some ways. The way his life will be. Is that somethin' you agree with?

    Adam Kesher: Sure.

    Cowboy: Now... did you answer cause you thought that's what I wanted to hear, or did you think about what I said and answer cause you truly believe that to be right?

    Adam Kesher: I agree with what you said, truthfully.

    Cowboy: What'd I say?

    Adam Kesher: Uh... that a man's attitude determines, to a large extent, how his life will be.

    Cowboy: So since you agree, you must be someone who does not care about the good life.

    --------

    Same with nations. If only Chinese had a different attitude when the Brits first came with gifts of technology, trade, and friendship, things might have ended up differently.
    But the Chinese attitude of complacent chauvinism, arrogant disinterest, and sneering pompousness made then blind as a bat to the dangers all around them.

    Could be Wade is right that there is less individualist spark among Asians. (But then why did the white Byzantine just fade? And Ottomans are white too, but they just faded too in time.)
    Did Asian culture discourage sparks of creativity?
    Or were there sparks of ingenuity but also the absence of receptive environment?

    Imagine two mounds of leaves. One is dry and the other is wet.
    Suppose you strike two flint stones to make sparks in equal measure over the two mounds.
    The dry leaves will catch fire. The wet leaves will not--even if you strike the stones over it for hours on end. Maybe east asia had enough sparks but failed to develop the dry leaves environment.

    This is one problem for Cons in culture.
    Cons aren't into culture, so there's little receptive/welcoming place for creativity in the Con world.
    Con World doesn't light up to creative sparks.
    So, even talented Cons have to go to Liberal places to find a receptive and encouraging audience... and they become more Lib as time goes on.

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/02/camo-and-conversions-the-parallels-between-duck-dynasty-and-dante-culture.html

    The Chinese were keeping up fairly well through most of history, but then in the West you had the Renaissance followed by the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution and the West took off exponentially, creating knowledge and wealth far beyond what any group of humans had ever done before, while the Chinese kept doing what they had been doing for 5,000 years, figuring that a tried and true formula was the safest course.

    When the Chinese Emperor wrote to the British that he couldn’t really think of anything that he wanted to buy from them at the time, he was right (sorta – he should have said, “lots of guns so I can keep you bastards out of my country”). The British couldn’t think of anything that they could sell the Chinese for their tea and porcelain until they came up with the bright idea of addicting millions of Chinese to opium grown in their Indian colony. This is probably one of the single most immoral acts in all of history.

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  114. @Priss Factor
    "It’s astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history."

    "You’re absolutely right about that – I visited Shanghai and it was like Timbuktu , just a few mud huts and folks riding on donkeys. I couldn’t believe my eyes."


    It is true enough that Chinese were serious underachievers.

    They had so much but did so little, so said Burke on TV show CONNECTIONS.
    They had all the ingredients to do the things that Europe did but didn't.
    I guess the same could be said of the Romans and Byzantines. At some point they stopped growing and began to stagnate.

    From MULHOLLAND DR.

    Cowboy: A man's attitude... a man's attitude goes some ways. The way his life will be. Is that somethin' you agree with?

    Adam Kesher: Sure.

    Cowboy: Now... did you answer cause you thought that's what I wanted to hear, or did you think about what I said and answer cause you truly believe that to be right?

    Adam Kesher: I agree with what you said, truthfully.

    Cowboy: What'd I say?

    Adam Kesher: Uh... that a man's attitude determines, to a large extent, how his life will be.

    Cowboy: So since you agree, you must be someone who does not care about the good life.

    --------

    Same with nations. If only Chinese had a different attitude when the Brits first came with gifts of technology, trade, and friendship, things might have ended up differently.
    But the Chinese attitude of complacent chauvinism, arrogant disinterest, and sneering pompousness made then blind as a bat to the dangers all around them.

    Could be Wade is right that there is less individualist spark among Asians. (But then why did the white Byzantine just fade? And Ottomans are white too, but they just faded too in time.)
    Did Asian culture discourage sparks of creativity?
    Or were there sparks of ingenuity but also the absence of receptive environment?

    Imagine two mounds of leaves. One is dry and the other is wet.
    Suppose you strike two flint stones to make sparks in equal measure over the two mounds.
    The dry leaves will catch fire. The wet leaves will not--even if you strike the stones over it for hours on end. Maybe east asia had enough sparks but failed to develop the dry leaves environment.

    This is one problem for Cons in culture.
    Cons aren't into culture, so there's little receptive/welcoming place for creativity in the Con world.
    Con World doesn't light up to creative sparks.
    So, even talented Cons have to go to Liberal places to find a receptive and encouraging audience... and they become more Lib as time goes on.

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/02/camo-and-conversions-the-parallels-between-duck-dynasty-and-dante-culture.html

    There is another way to look at that, the girls with black boyfriends still pay a reputational cost especially in the US. What proportion would go for blacks if there was no such cost is probably much higher and close to European mores. Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.

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    Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.

    Do you have any evidence to back this up?
  115. @Steve Sailer
    It's not exactly as if the country of Nigeria, with all its oil wealth and its 10,000 man Air Force, is inevitably doomed to lose to the Boko Haram cult.

    Well they did have a little problem called Biafra. It has to thank that at that time the neocons didn’t feel like carving new state out of nothing. (And biafra, unlike South Sudan or other monstrosities the West helped to create in recent years, was quite viable).

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  116. @Anonymous
    In the second world war, Britain's Royal Navy absolutely decimated the Italian fleet in the Mediterranean.
    The Royal Navy showed their customary ruthlessness and callousness, causing the deaths by drowning of thousands upon thousands of Italians, but poor Italian tactics and technology were also culpable.
    Anyway, my point is that no including Italians it seems really gives a damn about that pointless and ultimately useless sea-sacrifice of 70 years ago, of real, genuine Italians, caused by the stupidity of Mussolini.
    And yet, Italians are getting all wet eyed by a bunch of opportunistic, lying, deceitful, racially alien invaders whose only object is to take Italy over.

    Another British “Achievement” on destroying Western Civilization.

    I wish Britain showed the same dedication and effort to Mau Mau.

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  117. @Bill

    Europeans won’t be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.
     
    How smart and how coldly calculating do you think the Chinese leadership are? What has happened in S Africa is that the whites are trying to run to other, less black, countries. The high ability ones are succeeding.

    Are the Chinese smart enough and hard headed enough to grasp that letting in a lot of high ability whites is probably good for their country? If so, then that is the solution to the problem you lay out. Lots of smart white people will go to China.

    More broadly, I think you disbelieve your eyes and that is causing you to have a failure of imagination. When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won't be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible. And if we don't fall apart, then what's the problem?

    China is slowly conquering the West that way.

    It doesn’t mind its best and brightest women marrying well-learned whites (usually Jews).

    After all, every conquering tribe was subdued that way. The conqueror comes with a strong army. Chinese nobles offer their fairest beauties. the conqueror’s tribesmen take lots of Chinese concubines. One century later they have all become Chinese.

    The Mongols tried Korean women to avoid mating with the Chinese, which didn’t really work out.

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  118. @Steve Sailer
    Do the tourists of the world really want to see Italy turn into another Los Angeles of strip malls with Cambodian donut shops and Vietnamese nail salons?

    They don’t care. Chinese tourists to Italy only goes to Chinese restaurants, Indian tourists to there only goes to Indian restaurants, etc. As long as they have the landmarks to take their selfies they don’t give a crap.

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    I was walking near the Duomo of Milan when a very nice Indian gentleman approached me and asked if I knew of an Indian vegetarian restaurant he could take his Brahmin boss to. By chance, I had passed one a few blocks before and was able to point him in that direction.
  119. @Simon in London
    Yes - European & American charity is the current environment. They would be less fit in a different environment.

    So in other words Africans have become extremely fit through adaptation as a parasite upon another organism, i..e., Europeans. I guess that’s a type of fitness too.

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    But what happens when there are not enough Europeans to support all the Africans? To me this looks like very short-term fitness.
  120. as far as I know the current projection for subsaharan African population is rather 5-6 billion people in 2100, not 4 billion. My personal guess that it will be even higher, maybe 7 or 8 billion. In the last years, each year international demographers had to adjust their projections for subsaharan african population numbers because their assumptions – basically subsaharan african fertility slowly converging to non subsaharan african levels – did not match the reality.

    apart from that this rapey aspect of the whole story is in my view not a bug but a feature. Modern antiracism is mainly an extreme form of social darwinism. Let all people get together, remove all barriers, let the weak not get any place to hide, let them fight to prove who is the strongest. And then let the winner take it all. This is a game for existence and thus it concerns reproduction and of course it is a sexual thing.

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  121. @Neutral
    You clearly know very little about China. China is communist in name only, the party wants to hold power (which party doesn't) and that is about its only ideology. The Chinese are less marxist than Americans are, they want to make money, not reshape the world into an equality Utopia.

    When i said “Communist” I meant that the Communist Party (80 million strong, the largest party in the world) which runs the government still owns the banks, the media, and the land in China. Dissent is still brutally suppressed, and access to information is tightly controlled.

    Apparently many people on this forum get hypnotized by the large coastal cities like Shanghai, and forget they are a tiny, totally unrepresentative part of China. It’s sort of like judging Russia based on Moscow. China has, indeed, made a lot of progress in the last 30 years but nevertheless was stagnant and achieved very little for most of its 3,000 year history. Now the growth in China slowing down, partly because the invention of 3-D printing and automated sewing machines is reducing the need for cheap Chinese slave labor. This may spell disaster in the near future as China is still experiencing a population explosion – adding 7 million people a year.

    Africans are settling in southern China, I suppose compared to Africa China is an improvement,but that’s a minuscule flow relative to the massive emigration from China. China’s diaspora, mostly in Asia, is about 300 million people so altogether there are 1.7 billion Chinese in the world. The Chinese have always wanted to escape the despotic rule at home. Meanwhile, they irresponsibly added 800 million people to their population since WW II, which may be affecting the global climate. You can already detect particulate matter carried by the westerly winds all the way to California, although Japan gets the brunt of Chinese pollution.

    China is also sending millions of students abroad, some of them are government-paid spies so next time you see a nice Chinese graduate student, watch out. The Chinese culture is collectivist, conformist, and has historically displayed a very low level of creativity so they need to steal scientific and technological secrets from the West in order to close the gap with Europe and N. America. Let’s not forget that the GDP per capita in China is still tiny, $9,800, the level of North African countries, as compared to $53,000 in the U.S.

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  122. Worst of all is the gender imbalance this is already causing as the young men move here first.

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  123. @Whiskey
    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc. Also makes spot the White Alpha easier by handicapping White men. Black men prduce ugly daughters but sexy sons. Kanazawas findings have not been discredited. White male super Alphas are the gold standard for hyoergamy but the Kardasians suggest where the tin standard is.

    Europe isdoomed bc a feminized sciety lacks not just the will but means. Italy has no military forces of any real measure to keep people out if it wanted to which it does not.

    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc.

    Did you even read the linked post to Razib that Joe Walker provided?

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  124. @Jack D
    But when they got here they didn't mind shacking up with the Indian ladies, my dear boy to whom I condescend by calling you "my dear boy"? It's pretty hard to think of the Dutch as an "alien race" to the British unless you define race more narrowly than most humans.

    If they wanted to stay English they could have stayed in England. They wanted to stay English AND practice their fanatic cult religion.

    But when they got here they didn’t mind shacking up with the Indian ladies, my dear boy to whom I condescend by calling you “my dear boy”?

    Dear fellow, they didn’t “shack up” (as you so quaintly put it) with Amerinds.The Puritans and Pilgrims are virtually unique in the annals of of pre-modern migration.They brought their women with them.Hence, there was no need to interbreed.

    It’s pretty hard to think of the Dutch as an “alien race” to the British unless you define race more narrowly than most humans.

    Dear fellow, I’m defining it as the English would have seen it in the 17th century.They did not want their grandchildren to become a mob of squawking Dutchmen.They wanted to remain English.

    If they wanted to stay English they could have stayed in England. They wanted to stay English AND practice their fanatic cult religion.

    Of course dear fellow.The Puritans could have their cake and eat it too.By transplanting an entire community of English people (the Great Migration of 1620-40 brought roughly 20,000 English to New England)they were able to both preserve their racial integrity and to practice their Calvinistic creed.

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  125. This will be the third time Africa has populated the world. Homo erectus left for Eurasia 1.25 MYA and their descendants were replaced/absorbed 40-70 TYA by anatomically modern Africans and then their descendants are replaced/absorbed by a second set of modern Africans in the 21st century.

    While Europe is getting swamped both African Pygmies and Bushmen will be wiped out along with most animals above the size of a mouse. No more bird migrations between Africa and Europe. Ebola and other never to be identified diseases will emerge although if they’re not spread by insects they probably won’t last, their hosts will be eaten into extinction.

    Just as we’re learning greater detail about the Indo-European migrations into Europe a second Bantu expansion occurs overshooting Africa and landing in Europe. Will any native languages survive? Maybe the pre-IE Basques will be able to hold out again.

    Has Europe done a good enough job to make their territory inhospitable to malaria? If not it will return and selectively favor the African although some Europeans have forms of resistance. The Thames will probably become a sewer once again and a source of cholera.

    Israel is going to need a sturdier fence.

    As western Europe is getting bloated some eastern countries will be pressured to open up to migrants perhaps under threat of force. Acceptance of Russian suzerainty will look more attractive than ever. Russia will once again have its breadbasket.

    Europe can only accommodate so many wreckers before it will lose its appeal. Other continents will not be left unaffected.

    The urge to populate Mars will be greater than ever, but the ability to do so will be lesser.

    On a positive note for traditionalists, soccer will still be the favorite sport to play for children born in Europe.

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    "This will be the third time Africa has populated the world. Homo erectus left for Eurasia 1.25 MYA and their descendants were replaced/absorbed 40-70 TYA by anatomically modern Africans and then their descendants are replaced/absorbed by a second set of modern Africans in the 21st century."

    Sci-fi idea. Any people can move to the West but they must first undergo genetic alteration and be turned white.
  126. @Bill

    Europeans won’t be around much longer, white Americans a bit longer but will be absorbed into Latin America.
     
    How smart and how coldly calculating do you think the Chinese leadership are? What has happened in S Africa is that the whites are trying to run to other, less black, countries. The high ability ones are succeeding.

    Are the Chinese smart enough and hard headed enough to grasp that letting in a lot of high ability whites is probably good for their country? If so, then that is the solution to the problem you lay out. Lots of smart white people will go to China.

    More broadly, I think you disbelieve your eyes and that is causing you to have a failure of imagination. When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won't be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible. And if we don't fall apart, then what's the problem?

    “When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won’t be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible.”

    Makes sense. My worry would be that the US does not fall apart, just gets nastier and nastier.

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    The way the US is going, I think you're going to see things like hyper-stratified coastal cities (think San Francisco meets Praetoria) where you've got an elite living in gated communities mouthing prog platitudes while SWPLs leave their GoogleCubes and hope they don't get mugged on the way to work by underprivileged dindus from Somalia. But that's better than living in the hellholes that Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, and the rest of flyover country have become, where girls get married at 11 and aren't allowed to know how to read, and everyone carries guns and people get shot walking down the street.

    Meanwhile the reality in those places will be there will be a series of swift, sharp civil conflicts followed by a rebalancing of what being a citizen is. Mad Max meets The Federalist Papers.

    But as you said, nastier and nastier. The childhood Steve talks about and idealizes will be hand waved as either a fantasy or the reason "we got soft". Which will be a shame - that era was a beautiful one in many ways.
  127. @colm
    They don't care. Chinese tourists to Italy only goes to Chinese restaurants, Indian tourists to there only goes to Indian restaurants, etc. As long as they have the landmarks to take their selfies they don't give a crap.

    I was walking near the Duomo of Milan when a very nice Indian gentleman approached me and asked if I knew of an Indian vegetarian restaurant he could take his Brahmin boss to. By chance, I had passed one a few blocks before and was able to point him in that direction.

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  128. If it comes down to all of us surviving or all of them, I’d gladly choose all of us.

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  129. @Simon in London
    "When (if) the US goes the way of S Africa, it won’t be like S Africa only larger. The US is the reason S Africa went the way of S Africa. The US is the reason Europe is insane. When (if) we fall apart, all sorts of things which are impossible now become possible."

    Makes sense. My worry would be that the US does not fall apart, just gets nastier and nastier.

    The way the US is going, I think you’re going to see things like hyper-stratified coastal cities (think San Francisco meets Praetoria) where you’ve got an elite living in gated communities mouthing prog platitudes while SWPLs leave their GoogleCubes and hope they don’t get mugged on the way to work by underprivileged dindus from Somalia. But that’s better than living in the hellholes that Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, and the rest of flyover country have become, where girls get married at 11 and aren’t allowed to know how to read, and everyone carries guns and people get shot walking down the street.

    Meanwhile the reality in those places will be there will be a series of swift, sharp civil conflicts followed by a rebalancing of what being a citizen is. Mad Max meets The Federalist Papers.

    But as you said, nastier and nastier. The childhood Steve talks about and idealizes will be hand waved as either a fantasy or the reason “we got soft”. Which will be a shame – that era was a beautiful one in many ways.

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  130. @Anon 3
    Virtually nobody, not from the West anyway, wants to move to China. This has little to do with Chinese xenophobia. China is a Communist hellhole, the world's most polluted country, and on a per capita basis still one of the poorest and most superstitious, while the Chinese are desperate to move to the West. About 60,000 Chinese immigrate to the United States per year legally, and many more illegally. It's astonishing how little China has achieved in its 3,000 year history, despite a huge population and relative stability. The backward writing system, rote learning, emperor worship and polytheism,vast bureaucracy, extreme corruption, and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West.

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    "The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West."

    True democracy would have stopped mass immigration long ago.
    It was elite-oligarchic-imposed.

    And communism was more about equality but practiced closed borders. Strict closed borders.

  131. @Cochise
    So in other words Africans have become extremely fit through adaptation as a parasite upon another organism, i..e., Europeans. I guess that's a type of fitness too.

    But what happens when there are not enough Europeans to support all the Africans? To me this looks like very short-term fitness.

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  132. @Sean
    There is another way to look at that, the girls with black boyfriends still pay a reputational cost especially in the US. What proportion would go for blacks if there was no such cost is probably much higher and close to European mores. Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.

    Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.

    Do you have any evidence to back this up?

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    Yes. I think a proportion of girls are inhibited at present through worry at the social cost they will pay. I live where there are few Africans but know of women in the their early 20s who were away from their hometown or on holiday and had black boyfriends. Including a female MD. And one really pretty girl who certainly was not short of attention yet had her first serious relationship with a black African barman when she was away at university. Certainly most girls don't go for them over white men, but it is quite surprising the girls that do. In Europe, which is where we are talking about, I think the limiting factor is the number of black men. If that number greatly increases probably the social cost paid for going with blacks will decline.
  133. @Sean

    for a prison term
     
    A cot and three hots plus free medical care. A holiday camp to them, and will cost 10 times more than just letting them in. Moreover these men (they are mainly young men) are a social bomb in their home countries. This is why they will never be stopped leaving, can't be stopped landing, and won't be stopped infiltrating.

    This is why they will never be stopped leaving, can’t be stopped landing, and won’t be stopped infiltrating.

    Of course they can be stopped. You just have to treat them as the dangerous invaders that they are and act accordingly.

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  134. @Whiskey
    Yes, the Kardashian clan remains obscure, never appearing on magazine covers. White women support broadly mass third world immigration to get babysitting jobs, social worker, diversity officer, hr, ngo, teaching etc. Also makes spot the White Alpha easier by handicapping White men. Black men prduce ugly daughters but sexy sons. Kanazawas findings have not been discredited. White male super Alphas are the gold standard for hyoergamy but the Kardasians suggest where the tin standard is.

    Europe isdoomed bc a feminized sciety lacks not just the will but means. Italy has no military forces of any real measure to keep people out if it wanted to which it does not.

    So most white women are like the Kardashians to you? Please stop projecting your lack of success with women onto other white men.

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  135. @Realist
    ".... and then there are those whites that think the white race going extinct is a good thing."
    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people. The fifteen point average IQ advantage the Ashkenazi Jews have over whites is just overwhelming. The few whites that have a decent IQ are screwed by their own.

    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people.

    Why? The whites with low IQs are the ones having children while the high IQ ones are the most likely to die childless.

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    Yes, that is true. Jewish families ostracize their dumb offspring. The dumb ones cannot find mates and are denied support.
  136. @Svigor
    It's hard not to sympathize with these people. On the one hand, they want to destroy Europeans now Now NOW! On the other, they have to boil the frog and work within existing resources. It's a tough position to be in.

    ****

    I would like everyone here to know that vast regions of central Asia are practically uninhabited. China's interior very much included. Those regions can hold millions of African refugees. And since Chinese are the Cognitively Elite Master Race, they're much better suited to working out the problems of how to feed, clothe, and house those millions. Russia has a lot of space in Siberia, but unfortunately it's much too cold for sub-Saharan African tastes, and just as important, Russians aren't up to the cognitive challenge.

    Brett
    says:

    February 17, 2015 at 1:45 am GMT • 100 Words

    1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn’t mean others are inferior.
     
    This is true. Which is why I insist that Israel be moved to the front of the line. They're more deserving, and, conveniently, more in need.

    Does that mean that Africans are more biologically fit in the Darwinian sense? I’m having problems with the concept of fitness.
     
    I guess that's a rhetorical question, but the answer is no, precisely because the question of fitness is fluid; flexible strategizing is required.

    Steve, I am also interested in liberal Jews advocating for more immigration. It seems they believe that they cannot take any other position and remain consistent, because FDR wouldn’t take in boats or something.
     
    Then all we have to do is show them what they're supporting overseas in the Levantine Reich; if they want to stay consistent they'll become rabidly anti-open-borders.

    I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. If you are being serious then you are insane. If you are being sarcastic then I commend you on your sense of humor.
     
    This.

    First let’s turn Israel into South Africa and let us see how that works out.
     
    And this.

    As I’ve said before, nobody here can look at the bright side of things.

    If lots of non-Europeans will move into Europe that will cause a lot of Europeans to move out.

    And one obvious place to move would be to the US which will cause a solution to the issue so many people here worry about, namely the (allegedly) coming minority-majority future.

    Ta-da!
     
    It's interesting that you made sure to announce that you aren't worried about it (and don't really believe in a coming minority-majority future). Kudos to being impenetrable to facts or logic.

    I would like everyone here to know that vast regions of central Asia are practically uninhabited. China’s interior very much included. Those regions can hold millions of African refugees. And since Chinese are the Cognitively Elite Master Race, they’re much better suited to working out the problems of how to feed, clothe, and house those millions.

    Why should either Europeans or Asians have to solve the problems of Africa? Liberals and others are constantly telling us that Africans are our racial equals. If this is true then let the Africans solve their own problems.

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  137. “The Puritans and Pilgrims are virtually unique in the annals of of pre-modern migration…Hence, there was no need to interbreed.’

    Indeed, they focused on butchering Amerinds.

    “Dear fellow, I’m defining it as the English would have seen it in the 17th century. They did not want their grandchildren to become a mob of squawking Dutchmen.They wanted to remain English.”

    Yet, the English by the 1700’s were having sex with their slaves and increasing marrying outside of their ethnic group.

    “they were able to both preserve their racial integrity and to practice their Calvinistic creed.”

    Temporarily. By 1700, the Puritan stranglehold of Massachusetts came to an appropriate end.

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  138. @Wilkey
    "Or the Puritans could have stayed back home in England and tried to defeat the quasi-Catholic Charles instead of flooding the land of the Wampanoags."

    I would further add - the Puritans took the hard route, not the easy one. They could've stayed home and abandoned their religious beliefs and been perfectly safe. Instead, they chose to leave one of the most advanced nations on earth, made a voyage across a dangerous ocean, and settled in a land with almost none of the luxuries of 17th Century England. Mortality rates for the previous settlements at Roanake, Jamestown, and Plymouth were not, needless to say, were nothing to be lightly dismissed.

    America's early settlers left a life of luxury to settle in a shithole. Today's "refugees" are doing the reverse. Only an anti-white racist asshole and their mulriculti stooges would suggest the two are remotely comparable.

    Let’s compare apples and apples. I was responding to Steve’s comment about Nigerians escaping Boko Haram’s persecution, not about Nigerians dreaming about flat screen TVs and welfare checks. Now, my knowledge of current affairs in Nigeria is very limited, but reports in the media indicate that thhe Boko Haram is to Nigeria what ISIS is to Syria. Which is, to say, people against those respective organizations can choose to stay and fight (a choice that is likely suicidal) or they could choose to escape to whatever country will take them.

    Regarding the Puritans. As Jack D says, they did move to Holland (a kindred country) but chose not to stay there. They also had the option of moving to another (slightly less) kindred country, Prussia, where the Elector had recently converted to Calvinism and was welcoming foreign Calvinists with open arms. But no, they chose to go to a country where land was freely available for the taking as the natives were technologically backward and beyond the pale of official protection, being non-Christians. And when you speak of a “life of luxury”, you are just projecting into the past. What were the big differences in “material comfort” between 16th century England and pre-colonial New England? What really made a difference: land, availability of food, opportunity to setup up a new life free of class strictures, were far more abundant where the Puritans were heading to.

    I hope my original comment conveyed that I APPROVED of the Puritans’ (and later Cavaliers’) decision to emigrate. They needed to do that then, just as people of other (mostly non-white) races need to do that today.

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  139. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @dfordoom
    and the fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality are probably some of the factors

    The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West.

    “The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West.”

    True democracy would have stopped mass immigration long ago.
    It was elite-oligarchic-imposed.

    And communism was more about equality but practiced closed borders. Strict closed borders.

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    "True democracy would have stopped mass immigration long ago.
    It was elite-oligarchic-imposed."


    That's correct, but true democracy has never existed. Democracy in practice always leads to corruption, and to socialism. Democracy is a marketplace in which votes are sold to the highest bidder. If Candidate A promises sensible sound responsible government and Candidate B offers lots of free stuff Candidate B will always win.

    Democracy is like communism - it sounds great in theory but it never works in practice, and it never can work. There will always be a Candidate B offering free stuff. When the money runs out Candidate B will win by offering to print more money, or borrow more money, to provide more free stuff. Democracy appeals to the basest instincts of the herd.

    Democracy also always results in a reduction in freedom. As well as offering free stuff Candidate B will offer special deals and extra "rights" to special interest groups, and those "rights" can only be enforced by reducing everyone's freedom. But people will still vote for Candidate B because, hey, free stuff!

    The Chinese are being very sensible in resisting the folly of democracy.
  140. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @muhry
    This will be the third time Africa has populated the world. Homo erectus left for Eurasia 1.25 MYA and their descendants were replaced/absorbed 40-70 TYA by anatomically modern Africans and then their descendants are replaced/absorbed by a second set of modern Africans in the 21st century.

    While Europe is getting swamped both African Pygmies and Bushmen will be wiped out along with most animals above the size of a mouse. No more bird migrations between Africa and Europe. Ebola and other never to be identified diseases will emerge although if they're not spread by insects they probably won't last, their hosts will be eaten into extinction.

    Just as we're learning greater detail about the Indo-European migrations into Europe a second Bantu expansion occurs overshooting Africa and landing in Europe. Will any native languages survive? Maybe the pre-IE Basques will be able to hold out again.

    Has Europe done a good enough job to make their territory inhospitable to malaria? If not it will return and selectively favor the African although some Europeans have forms of resistance. The Thames will probably become a sewer once again and a source of cholera.

    Israel is going to need a sturdier fence.

    As western Europe is getting bloated some eastern countries will be pressured to open up to migrants perhaps under threat of force. Acceptance of Russian suzerainty will look more attractive than ever. Russia will once again have its breadbasket.

    Europe can only accommodate so many wreckers before it will lose its appeal. Other continents will not be left unaffected.

    The urge to populate Mars will be greater than ever, but the ability to do so will be lesser.

    On a positive note for traditionalists, soccer will still be the favorite sport to play for children born in Europe.

    “This will be the third time Africa has populated the world. Homo erectus left for Eurasia 1.25 MYA and their descendants were replaced/absorbed 40-70 TYA by anatomically modern Africans and then their descendants are replaced/absorbed by a second set of modern Africans in the 21st century.”

    Sci-fi idea. Any people can move to the West but they must first undergo genetic alteration and be turned white.

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  141. @Joe Walker
    Every day I am more disillusioned by the low intelligence of average white people.

    Why? The whites with low IQs are the ones having children while the high IQ ones are the most likely to die childless.

    Yes, that is true. Jewish families ostracize their dumb offspring. The dumb ones cannot find mates and are denied support.

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  142. @Joe Walker
    Black Africans are noticeably successful with a relatively high proportion of well educated young women in Europe.

    Do you have any evidence to back this up?

    Yes. I think a proportion of girls are inhibited at present through worry at the social cost they will pay. I live where there are few Africans but know of women in the their early 20s who were away from their hometown or on holiday and had black boyfriends. Including a female MD. And one really pretty girl who certainly was not short of attention yet had her first serious relationship with a black African barman when she was away at university. Certainly most girls don’t go for them over white men, but it is quite surprising the girls that do. In Europe, which is where we are talking about, I think the limiting factor is the number of black men. If that number greatly increases probably the social cost paid for going with blacks will decline.

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  143. @Priss Factor
    "The fact that China never developed the traditions of democracy and equality is a major point in their favour. Those traditions are the poison killing the West."

    True democracy would have stopped mass immigration long ago.
    It was elite-oligarchic-imposed.

    And communism was more about equality but practiced closed borders. Strict closed borders.

    “True democracy would have stopped mass immigration long ago.
    It was elite-oligarchic-imposed.”

    That’s correct, but true democracy has never existed. Democracy in practice always leads to corruption, and to socialism. Democracy is a marketplace in which votes are sold to the highest bidder. If Candidate A promises sensible sound responsible government and Candidate B offers lots of free stuff Candidate B will always win.

    Democracy is like communism – it sounds great in theory but it never works in practice, and it never can work. There will always be a Candidate B offering free stuff. When the money runs out Candidate B will win by offering to print more money, or borrow more money, to provide more free stuff. Democracy appeals to the basest instincts of the herd.

    Democracy also always results in a reduction in freedom. As well as offering free stuff Candidate B will offer special deals and extra “rights” to special interest groups, and those “rights” can only be enforced by reducing everyone’s freedom. But people will still vote for Candidate B because, hey, free stuff!

    The Chinese are being very sensible in resisting the folly of democracy.

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  144. @rustbeltreader
    Haiti lost most of the top soil due to nonstop tree harvesting. Nobody bothered replanting trees. US kept sending funds which were promptly stolen. The only thing growing now are dumps and diseases.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Haiti
    Wikipedia
    Satellite image depicting the border between Haiti (left) and the Dominican ... An estimated 15,000 acres (61 km2) of topsoil are washed away each year, with ... Because most Haitians still depend on wood and charcoal as their primary fuel ..

    They could of got cheap oil for fuel from now failed Venezuela. It's run by crooks too and the money is worthless. That's life.

    Striking photo and discussion of deforestation in Haiti.

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic are virtually twins in every respect except outcomes.

    http://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/haiti.dominican-republic/economy

    They both have about 10 million people, and Haiti’s per capita everything is 1/10 the DR. Everything except misery. And the Dominican Republic isn’t exactly Denmark … its development is sketchy and nothing to write home about regarding civil society.

    There is some special ‘x’ factor that makes Haiti a global super power of regression.

    The deforestation is clearly a big deal, because it causes flooding, wrecks an already wrecked environment, etc. But per the article, after a 1950′s Hurricane blew down numerous trees — someone got the bright idea to make lemonade out of lemons and cut em all down.

    There is some lesson somewhere …… don’t know where. good link.

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  145. […] *To save money, the prisoners could be held in an open-air prison outside Nogales, Arizona. I got the 3 year imprisonment idea from Steve Sailer. […]

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  146. @Tiny Duck
    1. It is very selfish to want all the good stuff for yourself. Just because you were born into a good situation doesn't mean others are inferior.

    2. increased african immigration is good for several reasons

    -more diversity

    -less white privielge (good for everyone, especially whites)

    -less of chance for exploitation by white colonialists

    -no need for war since there will be no countries

    -white women will have more of a chance to expereince the ultimate in sexual pleasure

    -it makes humanitarian sense

    -more tolerance

    -more diverse economy

    -less right wing terrorism

    You forgot mass plague in Africa.

    If western civilisation slides down to South African levels, western doctors won’t be able to keep on top of African and Asian diseases.

    Perhaps mass immigration is the ultimate politically incorrect Gaia thesis. These humans are getting too successful at exploiting the planet, so lets overwhelm the more successful societies with less materially successful immigrants.

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  147. @Wilkey
    Here's the story to make you hurl: the Italian "Coast Guard" saved two thousand refugees (from their own stupidity). Immediately after emptying one of the boats, a boat with a handful of smugglers bearing Kalashnikovs came up, threatened the Italians with their weapons, and took the boat away to be used for another round of smuggling.

    Why would any Italian with a half a fucking brain vote for a politician who allowed their Coast Guard to be treated that way?

    Because the Italians are an emotional people. Show them images of leering African men in costly running shoes jumping off the dinghies as the first step of their Operation Sabine and they start waving their hands, muttering dire predictions of rape and rapine. Then flash a picture of saucer-eyed African babies and their hearts take over. “Poveri pic ciriddi”….

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