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The Amy Wax to-do at Penn Law School reminds me of this article from The Atlantic:

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action

Why racial preferences in college admissions hurt minority students — and shroud the education system in dishonesty.

RICHARD SANDER AND STUART TAYLOR JR. OCT 2, 2012

… At the University of Texas, whose racial preference programs come before the Supreme Court for oral argument on October 10, the typical black student receiving a race preference placed at the 52nd percentile of the SAT; the typical white was at the 89th percentile. In other words, Texas is putting blacks who score at the middle of the college-aspiring population in the midst of highly competitive students. This is the sort of academic gap where mismatch flourishes. And, of course, mismatch does not occur merely with racial preferences; it shows up with large preferences of all types.

Research on the mismatch problem was almost non-existent until the mid-1990s; it has developed rapidly in the past half-dozen years, especially among labor economists. To cite just a few examples of the findings:

  • Black college freshmen are more likely to aspire to science or engineering careers than are white freshmen, but mismatch causes blacks to abandon these fields at twice the rate of whites.
  • Blacks who start college interested in pursuing a doctorate and an academic career are twice as likely to be derailed from this path if they attend a school where they are mismatched.
  • About half of black college students rank in the bottom 20 percent of their classes (and the bottom 10 percent in law school).
  • Black law school graduates are four times as likely to fail bar exams as are whites; mismatch explains half of this gap.
  • Interracial friendships are more likely to form among students with relatively similar levels of academic preparation; thus, blacks and Hispanics are more socially integrated on campuses where they are less academically mismatched.

But in fact it is a largely invisible issue. With striking uniformity, university leaders view discussion of the mismatch problem as a threat to affirmative action and to racial peace on campuses, and therefore a subject to be avoided. They suppress data and even often ostracize faculty who attempt to point out the seriousness of mismatch. (See, for instance, the case of UT professor Lino Graglia, who was condemned by university officials after he observed that black and Mexican-American students were “not academically competitive” with their white peers.) We believe that the willful denial of the mismatch issue is as big a problem as mismatch itself.

Personally, I doubt if Sander’s Mismatch Theory is that big of a deal for undergrads, except perhaps in some STEM fields. In general, it’s nicer to go to the most lavishly endowed college you can get into because expensive things (e.g., financial aid, small class sizes, tutoring, etc.) are nicer than cheap things. For example, if you can get into both private Stanford and public Berkeley, well, Stanford likely has nicer stuff for you than Berkeley.

On the other hand, I don’t know much about law schools. It sounds like which study group you get invited to join is a big deal.

So, while mismatch may not be that bad for the beneficiaries of affirmative action, it’s definitely bad for whites: not just for the ones who don’t get in due to racial preferences, but also for those who do get in and then have to walk on eggshells around the aggrieved and resentful beneficiaries who sense they aren’t as smart and lash out at anyone who reminds them of this fact.

 
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  1. Strange how the MSM remains studiously silent on this issue.

    The upshot of that fact is that this issue doesn’t even exist in the minds of the masses, and any attempt to indicate otherwise is simply called racism.

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  2. I attended Caltech back in the early ’70s, and Caltech did try then to recruit black and Hispanic students. But their approach was to try to find kids whose basic potential was up to the Institute’s standards but who came from backgrounds that did not allow them to develop that potential.

    I myself was actually a tutor one summer for some of these incoming students, part of the effort to help them reach their actual potential.

    It seemed to work. I knew a number of these students, partly from being a summer tutor, partly from just random friends in the dorm or in clubs. As far as I know, no one was given special points in classes for being black or Hispanic, and pretty much all the black and Hispanic students I knew (all STEM, of course) managed to survive and graduate. I knew some of them well enough personally to know that they truly were competitive with other Caltech students.

    Of course, one result of this approach was that black and Hispanic students were way “under-represented” (and, of course, Asians were over-represented), but at least we all believed that everyone who was there deserved to be there — there was no racial resentment in any direction at all that I could see (for example, our dorm president from my class was a black girl: she was a good choice and did a fine job).

    I suppose something like this is what many people thought “affirmative action” would actually be. Too bad it has turned out differently.

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  3. The obvious solution is for white people to act even more stupid around black people. As nearly as I can tell from the mass media, this is one aspect of race relations where progress is being made.

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  4. OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Oh!

    How the BBC TV news this morning deliberately misrepresented it!

    They did *everything humanly possible* to imply white attackers!

    As an aside, the photos of the victim show quite a beautiful woman. Perhaps sheer sexual jealousy was the motive.
    , @AndrewR
    That's not even "fringes." A non-hijabi Egyptian girl studying engineering on a student visa is not really part of the "fringe." She probably would have fit in well to English society. This is a sad story.
    , @byrresheim
    The Horror.

    There is a parallel to a case in the small German town of Kandel: authorities were advised of a grave problem weeks and months before the deed.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    They had an article on the attack in Daily Mail, but strangely left out the part about "African descent.". Just described it as a bunch of "female yobs" (low-class gangbanger types).
    , @Ed
    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.
    , @James N. Kennett

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.
     
    Thank you for the link. I did wonder about this crime, because Nottingham is not known for its racial intolerance.

    The race of the crims is not stated in the British media. Even when the case comes to trial, it will probably never be stated because the accused are minors and cannot be identified. It is easier for the media to pretend that whitey is to blame.
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  5. The inner core of the liberal’s unconscious mind thinks “blacks should be held to a lower standard because blacks are on average mentally inferior”. Therefore you get plaques for blacks for just behaving as a normal human being:

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a19391661/evoni-williams-viral-waitress-helping-elderly-man/

    But I don’t think that this thought enters their concious mind. With conservatives, it does enter the conscious mind, but they see it would be unwelcome to say in public, so there are odd mental gymnastics.

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    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    Some on the left, like Bill Maher, talk from time to time about the "soft bigotry of low expectations".

    The fact that the video went viral at all is a strong indicator of just how deficient black empathy is held to be. A video of a sled dog playing with its owner isn't a good bet to go viral whereas that same dog playing with a 2,000 pound polar bear (who decides to snack on another similar dog off camera 15 minutes later) is.

    , @Cindy
    This story left me gobsmacked. I've cut up an awful lot of old people's food, even while I was being paid nothing to serve them. It's called volunteering. Never occurred to me this was so above and beyond that I should get a scholarship for it. Actually, I just felt all warm and glowy from being a little light in someone's life. I hope the nice girl (who didn't probably think she was doing anything very far outside the realm of normal human kindness, as I don't) goes very far with her scholarship, but what possesses people to throw money at this kind of stuff? Did the old man not give her a tip? Was she wading into toxic sludge under a hail of enemy fire to cut up his steak? I don't get it. I really don't. Maybe this outsize reward will encourage more acts of kindness in others, though. That might be something.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Nice black waitress cuts up old white man's pancakes for him. White people go nuts! End of article: "When Texas Southern University learned of Williams' good deed, they offered her a $16,000 scholarship along with the aid of a counselor to help her enroll at the university!"

    This would not be a story, much less a sensation, were the hero not black. I recall a big story from a few years ago when a black bus driver pulled over on a bridge to talk down a white man ready to jump off. I agree that the bus driver is a great guy and what he did was commendable. I just don't think it would have made the national news had he not been black. In the minds of the reporters who reported it and the audience that swooned over it, there's an unconscious "man bites dog" element: Black waitress isn't rude! Bus driver isn't indifferent to white people's suffering!
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  6. The study groups are very important for students who need assistance. Professors sometimes lead them, and even focus their efforts on areas that will be on the exam. There are no study groups for whites. Only the “disadvantaged.” For individuals, being in one can make or break you.

    By the end of the first year, everyone knows where everyone else is ranked, generally.

    By the end of the second year, many people have secured jobs for after graduation, and the third year is a throwaway. The jobs line up with the rankings. Law firms care about GPA first and LSAT scores second, and could not care less about what you did in college. They also don’t want people distracted with lots of do-good work, because that type of person will not do well when forced to work 20-hour days.

    I know a lawyer who told me that an Asian woman complained when he got offered a job at a big firm where she wanted to work, blaming it on his privilege. Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.

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    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.
     
    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. "come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract." It's very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.
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  7. Mismatch is a huge issue. Most university students are incredibly anxious about their work as their performance at uni is integral to their self-esteem. This does not mean they work hard however as a nervous fear of failure demotivates many of them.

    Imagine you get into a great uni. Everyone tells you how bright and wonderful you are. How your future could be golden.

    Then you arrive at uni and you really struggle. And most of the other people who really struggle just happen to look like you.

    Your self-esteem goes from artificially high to artificially low. And the circumstances throw your ethnicity in your face. This is a recipe for resentment.

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    • Replies: @Arclight
    The WaPo manages to highlight this effect every couple of years when they do an article on how the couple of black DC public schools who go to more selective universities like Georgetown are doing. It's always the same story: the student in question was valedictorian/salutorian, was told how special they were, which was validated when the applied to and were accepted to high-level universities. After a year or so, they are almost always struggling mightily and realize that earning straight A's at Ballou HS doesn't mean they are anything close to equipped for college in the way nearly all of their new peers were. They are now under an incredible amount of stress and have had their self-esteem lowered a few notches, and the more aware question whether they even belong at their college of choice.

    Of course, this is always framed as a failing of the schools, who should have offered more rigorous academics to their best students rather than an examination of whether it's possible that the best students at DC public schools just really are not all that exceptional in the grand scheme of things.
    , @Alice
    Absolutely right. The resentment is a trrible outcome for the individual and for society as a whole.

    It happens to women in STEM too. And it's a lot easier to assume people are messing with you because of your sex or your race than to believe it's just that they're that much smarter than you.

    It's just a self defense mechanism. But worse, it's repeated everywhere all the time by the deans and the admins, by the news, by the "right" people. It's easy to see it everywhere, too.

    And if you overcome it, then what? If you realize you really aren't as good as the others, now what? It's a terrible crushing blow. Even if you never blame another person, never resent the people who used you, how do you go on?
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  8. @william munny
    The study groups are very important for students who need assistance. Professors sometimes lead them, and even focus their efforts on areas that will be on the exam. There are no study groups for whites. Only the "disadvantaged." For individuals, being in one can make or break you.

    By the end of the first year, everyone knows where everyone else is ranked, generally.

    By the end of the second year, many people have secured jobs for after graduation, and the third year is a throwaway. The jobs line up with the rankings. Law firms care about GPA first and LSAT scores second, and could not care less about what you did in college. They also don't want people distracted with lots of do-good work, because that type of person will not do well when forced to work 20-hour days.

    I know a lawyer who told me that an Asian woman complained when he got offered a job at a big firm where she wanted to work, blaming it on his privilege. Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.

    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.

    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. “come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract.” It’s very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Have we reached a point where emoting has started to overtake practical application of the law? Maybe big law firms don't need to get as much done as they used to, in certain situations they just need to send in the right minority in there to emote about "justice." Because Company Y is discriminatory might be the argument they go with more often now.
    , @william munny
    Law firms publish the number of minorities and women they hire (obviously not including Jews). They don't hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired. They can never meet their quotas. The trade papers contain constant self-flagellation over this.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find. If anything, I think Asians would be better at this.
    , @Marty
    come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract.

    Ha. Did you ever read Clients Against Lawyers (Harper's 9/67)? The author, a former Cravath lawyer, says most of his work involved the client saying either, "he's screwing me," or "I'm having trouble screwing him."
    , @Jack D
    I am currently working on a deal where the other side is represented by a Big Law firm. The partner is a white female, the senior associate is South Asian and the junior associate is a black female. It's clear to me that none of these people really know what the hell they are doing. They can go thru the motions like trained monkeys but deep down they don't really understand what the hell they are doing on a fundamental level. Our society is being hollowed out to a frightening degree.
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  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If you are a 105 IQ person, you have a shot at passing the bar in a state not California or New York, if and only if you go to a law school where they pound “black letter law” really hard, and moreso attend a good prep course for the particular state’s bar after graduation. You then can make a living in any of several less glamorous niches in many places. You’ll be paying on your school loans a long time, but even so, you will do better than if you were, say, a schoolteacher, at least until you retire.

    (In a state with especially munificent pensions like New Jersey, your retirement will be better than if you were a lawyer, but then again, you’d also do better in retirement as a craft railroader, which requires only high school, or a career in the military followed by a federal career with the IRS or the post office-enlist at 18, retire at 38 with pension and then go to work as a GS-whatever and at 65 get two fat pensions.)

    What is the average IQ of blacks who get into law school? I’m guessing it might be in the range we are talking, since in fact more do eventually pass than not.

    This ignores the fact that very few 105 IQ whites get into law school, but since the supply of lawyers is largely regulated indirectly by ABA law school accreditation, if most of those blacks were replaced by whites or the more suitable varieties of Asians, and the bar pass rates went up, I’m guessing they’d just reduce the number of law schools in one way or another to adjust. But those blacks (and, I assume, mestizos and other NAMs) who incur the crushing debt only never to be able to practice law are of no real concern to anyone in power.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    There has been a crash in demand for lawyers - I think a lot of the drudge work has been replaced by computers or farmed out to India or something, but there has been a real shift in demand. Enrollment has dropped at many 3rd tier law schools and the 2nd tier places have lowered their cutoffs drastically in order to remain full. Even so, something like 1/2 of law grads end up in jobs for which a law degree is not required. So if the ABA is limiting the supply of lawyers they are doing a lousy job.
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  10. @Tyrion 2
    Mismatch is a huge issue. Most university students are incredibly anxious about their work as their performance at uni is integral to their self-esteem. This does not mean they work hard however as a nervous fear of failure demotivates many of them.

    Imagine you get into a great uni. Everyone tells you how bright and wonderful you are. How your future could be golden.

    Then you arrive at uni and you really struggle. And most of the other people who really struggle just happen to look like you.

    Your self-esteem goes from artificially high to artificially low. And the circumstances throw your ethnicity in your face. This is a recipe for resentment.

    The WaPo manages to highlight this effect every couple of years when they do an article on how the couple of black DC public schools who go to more selective universities like Georgetown are doing. It’s always the same story: the student in question was valedictorian/salutorian, was told how special they were, which was validated when the applied to and were accepted to high-level universities. After a year or so, they are almost always struggling mightily and realize that earning straight A’s at Ballou HS doesn’t mean they are anything close to equipped for college in the way nearly all of their new peers were. They are now under an incredible amount of stress and have had their self-esteem lowered a few notches, and the more aware question whether they even belong at their college of choice.

    Of course, this is always framed as a failing of the schools, who should have offered more rigorous academics to their best students rather than an examination of whether it’s possible that the best students at DC public schools just really are not all that exceptional in the grand scheme of things.

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    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Ed
    I’m familiar with these articles. Georgetown in particular reserves a slot for a top DC student every year. I googled one guy that complained about how hard it was but still managed to graduate after switching majors.

    He landed a job at Deloitte in their public health practice. Not too bad.
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  11. One of the things people don’t often mention that can make law schools such competitive places is the fact that they draw students from such a narrow band. Looking at Obama’s school, the 25th/50th/75th percentile LSAT scores are 170/172/175, respectively. For GPA scores it’s even tighter – 3.76/3.86/3.96. In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact.

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    Really? Is someone with a 176 LSAT score really likely to run circles around someone with a 167?
    , @Anonitron3
    I’ve taken the LSAT and the GRE and I have some experience tutoring the verbal portion of the GMAT. The LSAT is really weird and difficult by grad school admissions standards. The fact that top schools recruit exclusively from people in the 170s says a great deal about the kind of cognitive firepower they’re dealing with.

    Someone who scores in the 150s or low 160s is going to be utterly out of his depth. Their classmates will be able to do 150s level work without even trying, and people in top schools tend to try very hard.
    , @Calvin X Hobbes
    "In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact."

    I think what's going on in a typical law school is that the whites (and other non-NAMs) fall into a tight band, and the blacks (and maybe other NAMs) fall into a tight band, but they're different tight bands.

    The legal education system is extremely hierarchical, with everyone pretty much agreeing on the pecking order of law schools. Law schools all use the same admissions criteria, and law students generally go to the highest-rank school they can get into, so we get this fine-grained sorting into tight bands. But the sorting for whites and the sorting for blacks are separate processes, with the result that most blacks at a particular law school have weaker incoming credentials than just about every white, and the black students mostly come across as a bunch of village idiots.

    Undergrad GPA and LSAT are not perfect predictors of law school performance, and there must be some randomness in law school grading. I'm a little surprised that this sort of randomness does not smoosh the black and white law school grade distributions together more. The general pattern (except at HBCUs, of course, where it would be mathematically impossible) of half the black law students falling into the bottom 10% is an amazing degree of separation.
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  12. @TelfoedJohn
    The inner core of the liberal’s unconscious mind thinks “blacks should be held to a lower standard because blacks are on average mentally inferior”. Therefore you get plaques for blacks for just behaving as a normal human being:
    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a19391661/evoni-williams-viral-waitress-helping-elderly-man/


    But I don’t think that this thought enters their concious mind. With conservatives, it does enter the conscious mind, but they see it would be unwelcome to say in public, so there are odd mental gymnastics.

    Some on the left, like Bill Maher, talk from time to time about the “soft bigotry of low expectations”.

    The fact that the video went viral at all is a strong indicator of just how deficient black empathy is held to be. A video of a sled dog playing with its owner isn’t a good bet to go viral whereas that same dog playing with a 2,000 pound polar bear (who decides to snack on another similar dog off camera 15 minutes later) is.

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    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Sometimes, the recipient of the pat on the head can’t work out why they got it. Like a pitbull who has just been patted for not attacking a small child.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/barack-obama-stephen-colbert-nobel-peace-prize-a7367321.html
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  13. @TelfoedJohn
    The inner core of the liberal’s unconscious mind thinks “blacks should be held to a lower standard because blacks are on average mentally inferior”. Therefore you get plaques for blacks for just behaving as a normal human being:
    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a19391661/evoni-williams-viral-waitress-helping-elderly-man/


    But I don’t think that this thought enters their concious mind. With conservatives, it does enter the conscious mind, but they see it would be unwelcome to say in public, so there are odd mental gymnastics.

    This story left me gobsmacked. I’ve cut up an awful lot of old people’s food, even while I was being paid nothing to serve them. It’s called volunteering. Never occurred to me this was so above and beyond that I should get a scholarship for it. Actually, I just felt all warm and glowy from being a little light in someone’s life. I hope the nice girl (who didn’t probably think she was doing anything very far outside the realm of normal human kindness, as I don’t) goes very far with her scholarship, but what possesses people to throw money at this kind of stuff? Did the old man not give her a tip? Was she wading into toxic sludge under a hail of enemy fire to cut up his steak? I don’t get it. I really don’t. Maybe this outsize reward will encourage more acts of kindness in others, though. That might be something.

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    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    The cynic in me thinks we will soon get a lot of black-people-cutting-food setup videos, with the cutters demanding free stuff afterwards.
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  14. ” . . . [A]nd shroud the education system in dishonesty.”

    ” . . . [T]hose [White students] who do get in and then have to walk on eggshells around the aggrieved and resentful beneficiaries who sense they aren’t as smart and lash out at anyone who reminds them of this fact.”

    Yep. I suspect there are strong “social dysphoric” consequences to the whole web of government sanctioned preferences in hiring, college admissions, and so on, and that these consequences are generally of the slippery slope/camel’s nose under the tent type.

    I don’t have the brain cells or years on the clock to tease out those consequences. But, I’ll guess the “social dysphoria” begins with someone noticing that government mandates Policy X, affirmative action, which results in bad consequences. Policy X is defined as good regardless of bad consequences. What is the effect on the HR guy or others in hiring positions or on admissions committees? Demoralization? Institutional cowardice or dishonesty? Internalized cowardice or dishonesty?

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Corruption. Corruption essentially being actions taken based on the denial of reality, the denial of truth.
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  15. I am more interested in things that can have more real world effects than law. For example, what are the malpractice rates for minorities in medicine?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "I am more interested in things that can have more real world effects than law. For example, what are the malpractice rates for minorities in medicine?"


    Um... You realize that the law has quite a bit to do with malpractice rates? As in those are civil trials?
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  16. On the other hand, I don’t know much about law schools. It sounds like which study group you get invited to join is a big deal.

    It used to be, but intersectional, diversifying, diversified blondes and metoo brunettes took care of the problem years ago.

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  17. I completed a STEM degree at an elite university about 15 years ago. My classes in the more advanced courses were fairly small, about 25, and I do not believe I had a Black in any of those courses. Also, I tested into the highest level of freshman calculus ( really smarts tested out of math reqs entirely) and there were no blacks in that class of about 50. The blacks that I did know pursued soft degrees in poli sci or things along those lines.

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  18. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    Oh!

    How the BBC TV news this morning deliberately misrepresented it!

    They did *everything humanly possible* to imply white attackers!

    As an aside, the photos of the victim show quite a beautiful woman. Perhaps sheer sexual jealousy was the motive.

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  19. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    That’s not even “fringes.” A non-hijabi Egyptian girl studying engineering on a student visa is not really part of the “fringe.” She probably would have fit in well to English society. This is a sad story.

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    I didn’t click on the story but I’m guessing a black boyfriend of one of the ladies took an interest in the Egyptian girl and that spurred the attack.
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  20. Law school grad here.

    Study groups aren’t unicorns, but only a few students join them, the best students don’t (too competitive to help their fellows), and they disappear after first year. More of a plot device from The Paper Chase than a real thing. Like “the reading of the will.” Maybe they exist in real life, but have you ever been to one? Me neither, and I worked in estate law for a couple of years.

    BTW, in my section (i.e., one third of our entering class), we had two black students in first year. One, a middle aged woman, flunked out, and therefore sued the school for discrimination (even though all grades are based on anonymously-submitted essay tests, making me wonder what the theory of her suit was). The other, a personable former Army officer, was a middling student who went on to enjoy a very successful career, not as a lawyer, but as a legal recruiter.

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    The other, a personable former Army officer, was a middling student who went on to enjoy a very successful career, not as a lawyer, but as a legal recruiter.

    There are good jobs in corporate America for blacks with decent skills and a good attitude.

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  21. @Jon
    One of the things people don't often mention that can make law schools such competitive places is the fact that they draw students from such a narrow band. Looking at Obama's school, the 25th/50th/75th percentile LSAT scores are 170/172/175, respectively. For GPA scores it's even tighter - 3.76/3.86/3.96. In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact.

    Really? Is someone with a 176 LSAT score really likely to run circles around someone with a 167?

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    The LSAT score range is only 60 points (120 to 180) vs 600 points for the SAT, so each 1 point drop = 10 SAT points . Is someone with a 760 SAT likely to run circles around someone with a 670? 9 LSAT points is almost a full standard deviation, which by coincidence is about the average difference between blacks and whites. Is someone with a 139 IQ likely to run circles around someone with a 125? What about a 100 vs an 86? It's the same degree of difference. I don't know about circles, but it is a real and significant difference that will likely be reflected in your GPA.

    What people sometimes don't realize is that IQ differences are linear - maybe to you guys with a 125 and a 139 are both very bright guys but when you get to a competitive law school that is challenging them at their level, the difference is going to show. It's like skiers or swimmers - anyone who qualifies for the Olympics could ski/swim the pants off of you, but when they get to the competition even small differences will determine who gets a medal.
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  22. @sabril

    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.
     
    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. "come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract." It's very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.

    Have we reached a point where emoting has started to overtake practical application of the law? Maybe big law firms don’t need to get as much done as they used to, in certain situations they just need to send in the right minority in there to emote about “justice.” Because Company Y is discriminatory might be the argument they go with more often now.

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  23. @Jon
    One of the things people don't often mention that can make law schools such competitive places is the fact that they draw students from such a narrow band. Looking at Obama's school, the 25th/50th/75th percentile LSAT scores are 170/172/175, respectively. For GPA scores it's even tighter - 3.76/3.86/3.96. In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact.

    I’ve taken the LSAT and the GRE and I have some experience tutoring the verbal portion of the GMAT. The LSAT is really weird and difficult by grad school admissions standards. The fact that top schools recruit exclusively from people in the 170s says a great deal about the kind of cognitive firepower they’re dealing with.

    Someone who scores in the 150s or low 160s is going to be utterly out of his depth. Their classmates will be able to do 150s level work without even trying, and people in top schools tend to try very hard.

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    I think the GRE gets used for a much broader spectrum - from relatively low IQ grad programs like Masters in Education to physics PhD programs. My daughter took the GRE on a whim without any prep and she got an extremely high score. I don't think the math is much harder than what is on the SAT. For someone who has an undergrad engineering degree from MIT, I had the feeling that the math was almost trivial for her and she just ceilinged out. For her it was like doing the Monday crossword puzzle. For Shawnikra trying to get her M.E so she can get a pay raise, OTOH it might pose a real challenge.

    Even though the LSAT has a 60 point range, the relevant range for top laws schools is only the top 20 points and for whites/Asians the top 10.

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  24. @Jon
    One of the things people don't often mention that can make law schools such competitive places is the fact that they draw students from such a narrow band. Looking at Obama's school, the 25th/50th/75th percentile LSAT scores are 170/172/175, respectively. For GPA scores it's even tighter - 3.76/3.86/3.96. In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact.

    “In a tight band like that, any deviation for AA is going to potentially have a big impact.”

    I think what’s going on in a typical law school is that the whites (and other non-NAMs) fall into a tight band, and the blacks (and maybe other NAMs) fall into a tight band, but they’re different tight bands.

    The legal education system is extremely hierarchical, with everyone pretty much agreeing on the pecking order of law schools. Law schools all use the same admissions criteria, and law students generally go to the highest-rank school they can get into, so we get this fine-grained sorting into tight bands. But the sorting for whites and the sorting for blacks are separate processes, with the result that most blacks at a particular law school have weaker incoming credentials than just about every white, and the black students mostly come across as a bunch of village idiots.

    Undergrad GPA and LSAT are not perfect predictors of law school performance, and there must be some randomness in law school grading. I’m a little surprised that this sort of randomness does not smoosh the black and white law school grade distributions together more. The general pattern (except at HBCUs, of course, where it would be mathematically impossible) of half the black law students falling into the bottom 10% is an amazing degree of separation.

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  25. http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/hultgreen-curie-architecture-edition.html

    Four dead from ”affirmative action” at this time – possibly more to be found.
    So about that ”building bridges not walls” thing…

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  26. Richard Sander had a related 7-part blog post at Empirical Legal Studies about this. Here’s the link for #7, with links to #1-6 at the top:

    http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2006/09/why_doesnt_the_.html#more

    At the bottom of this #7 is a very interesting table:

    Table 1: Predictions of first-year class rank in law school by prospective students at all law schools, BPS, 1991

    0% of prospective law students predict that they’ll be in the bottom quartile, and only 1% predict that they’ll be in the next quartile, with those being the numbers for whites and blacks and Hispanics separately. Black self-predictions are a bit higher than white self-predictions.

    There are a lot of whites who are delusional about how they’ll do in law school, but black delusion takes it to the next level.

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  27. Law school study groups are less about who is in them (as long as everyone is reasonably competent, and w/the caveat that at a T14 school you might have class with a future President) and more about adjusting to a radically different way of studying (to prepare yourself for the radically different way law school exams are administered v HS and College exams$.

    Normal study techniques like flash cards are largely ineffective (at least not by themselves) because most of your exams are long, open-ended (usually implausibly complicated) scenarios that force you to isolate facts and apply the broad legal concepts you’ve been learning to the specifics of the scenario. If you haven’t studied this way (often involving lots of discussion and teasing-out of the concepts) you’re going to get mauled walking in and trying to just regurgitate a bunch of definitions.

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    w/the caveat that at a T14 school you might have class with a future President
     
    That's a pretty ambitious (egotistical) caveat. Four T14 presidents (Nixon, Ford, Clinton, Obama) in my lifetime. I wouldn't hold your breath. You're more likely to get a USSC justice...
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  28. Go Bears!

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  29. ” the typical black student receiving a race preference placed at the 52nd percentile of the SAT; the typical white was at the 89th percentile. ”

    To put this in perspective, it is roughly the same talent gap as someone who simply played high school football, and someone who played NCAA D-1 Football.

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  30. I had the experience of this in the 6th grade. After living in many cities due to being a navy brat by way of a step-father, I finally moved back to Oakland with my mom. I entered 6th grade in the middle of the school year. They placed me in the average class, due, I am sure to the many disciplinary problems I had racked up. I completely dominated the class, outshining everyone. One of my classmates was the son of our Chinese landlady and he would tell his mom how smart I was and when she came to our apartment she would tell me about what he said. “Benny say, you so smart”. She was more interested in my education than my mom was.

    So, it was decided that I should be moved to the accelerated class. In the accelerated class I was average. I really just missed being gifted by a few IQ points.

    I also realize now that I was one of the oldest kids in most of my classes. I was born in March and my best friend was born in November. She always struggled. She was allowed to attend school because she would turn 5 in 2 months but I had been 5 for 7 months when I entered kindergarten. Big developmental difference. So, I was not brighter than most of the average kids, I was just older. I did not have one disciplinary problem while attending the advanced class because I was never bored.

    You are never as smart as you think you are.

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  31. If you walked into a room to meet your lawyer and he was black would you stay or would you go?

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    change "lawyer" to "surgeon" and really scare yourself.
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  32. Personally, I doubt if Sander’s Mismatch Theory is that big of a deal for undergrads, except perhaps in some STEM fields.

    If you’re going to college for “nicer stuff”, you can probably get “even nicer stuff” by spending your tuition dollars on that stuff directly, which gives you more free time too.

    If you’re going to college to get an education and/or a degree, then mismatch is a very big deal. Thomas Sowell pointed out the problem as far back as 1974, but some of the most damning evidence was collected a few years ago by Richard Sander and Stewart Taylor, e.g.:

    Throughout these crises, university administrators constantly fed agitation against the preference ban by emphasizing the drop in undergraduate minority admissions. Never did the university point out one overwhelming fact: The total number of black and Hispanic students receiving bachelor’s degrees were the same for the five classes after Prop 209 as for the five classes before.

    How was this possible? First, the ban on preferences produced better-matched students at UCLA, students who were more likely to graduate. The black four-year graduation rate at UCLA doubled from the early 1990s to the years after Prop 209.

    Second, strong black and Hispanic students accepted UCLA offers of admission at much higher rates after the preferences ban went into effect; their choices seem to suggest that they were eager to attend a school where the stigma of a preference could not be attached to them. This mitigated the drop in enrollment.

    Third, many minority students who would have been admitted to UCLA with weak qualifications before Prop 209 were admitted to less elite schools instead; those who proved their academic mettle were able to transfer up to UCLA and graduate there.

    Thus, Prop 209 changed the minority experience at UCLA from one of frequent failure to much more consistent success. The school granted as many bachelor degrees to minority students as it did before Prop 209 while admitting many fewer and thus dramatically reducing failure and drop-out rates. It was able, in other words, to greatly reduce mismatch.

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  33. That is why I wonder how long the Black-AA industry will be able to pretend that Asians are ‘invisible colored’. 2nd-gen Asians are going to Law School, and soon there will be an Asian that sues these Ivy League and comparable institutions for discrimination.

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  34. Even thought Morris Dees is a hatemonger, I would be impressed on some level if he were a black guy.

    But he is not.

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  35. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    The Horror.

    There is a parallel to a case in the small German town of Kandel: authorities were advised of a grave problem weeks and months before the deed.

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  36. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    They had an article on the attack in Daily Mail, but strangely left out the part about “African descent.”. Just described it as a bunch of “female yobs” (low-class gangbanger types).

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    My twitter feed and other websites I follow in the UK were full of comments about the evils of white racism. Some even had suggestions that the perps photos were not being shown in the press to cover up their whiteness....
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  37. Ed says:
    @Arclight
    The WaPo manages to highlight this effect every couple of years when they do an article on how the couple of black DC public schools who go to more selective universities like Georgetown are doing. It's always the same story: the student in question was valedictorian/salutorian, was told how special they were, which was validated when the applied to and were accepted to high-level universities. After a year or so, they are almost always struggling mightily and realize that earning straight A's at Ballou HS doesn't mean they are anything close to equipped for college in the way nearly all of their new peers were. They are now under an incredible amount of stress and have had their self-esteem lowered a few notches, and the more aware question whether they even belong at their college of choice.

    Of course, this is always framed as a failing of the schools, who should have offered more rigorous academics to their best students rather than an examination of whether it's possible that the best students at DC public schools just really are not all that exceptional in the grand scheme of things.

    I’m familiar with these articles. Georgetown in particular reserves a slot for a top DC student every year. I googled one guy that complained about how hard it was but still managed to graduate after switching majors.

    He landed a job at Deloitte in their public health practice. Not too bad.

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  38. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.

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    "British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture"
     
    It's not just British blacks. It's French blacks, Africans, Arabs, Berbers, Australian Abos, underclass whites in the US, Britain, Europe, Russia, South Africa, and really anyone else who feels sullen and resentful. Rap, hip-hop and black American culture of violence, resentment, obscenity and self-worship is probably America's foremost cultural export.
    , @rogue-one
    Not just the British blacks, though they are an extreme case. Even among the white underclass of France & UK, you see large influence of black American culture.

    It is kind of strange to see America, a historically Anglo-Saxon nation, becoming the vessel of Africanization of the world.
    , @rogue-one
    Also, #blackLivesMatter is spreading like a virus among "activists" in France & UK. We should expect more riots in near future after some "person of color" is hurt during arrest.
    , @Forbes
    Increasingly? I thought the ghetto hoodie look was a British import, as they've had CCTV for decades now, and the hoodie has been used to obscure one's identity from cameras in the street.
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  39. Even though Morris Dees is a hatemonger, I would be impressed on some level if he were a black guy. At least we could say that a black guy has built something of considerable assets and longevity.

    But he is not. Morris Dees is just a white opportunist who profited by suing other white males.

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  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why are blacks going to Penn State?

    Why not to Wakanda University where cafeteria serves foods rich in vibranium that makes black brains not go to waste?

    Maybe Hollywood should make a movie about such college. Wakanda elementary, Wakanda, high, Wakanda College. A vision of future black education where vibranium-enriched black kids outperform all other races in everything… and eventually decide to tutor the dumb Jews, whites, and Asians.

    PS. I wonder what would happen if a white coach said his athletes are almost all black at the top. Would he be ignored or also attacked?

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  41. Actually, Yale Law is now officially 48% ‘minorities’. That means they are in fact counting Asians as ‘minorities’ (but note now they don’t break down the minority group further, because that would reveal a lot more Asians than blacks).

    https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/entering-class-profile

    That said, the fact that they are 53% female indicates that the dominant ideology in the US today – feminism – is something they are kowtowing to. There will never be a case when more than 20% of the best attorneys are female.

    Few things can destroy a smart woman’s attractiveness more totally than Law School.

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    One of the Ivies, preferably Harvard, needs a Trump like figure to take over the reins. Someone that is confident in their course and can withstand the vicious barbs that will head their way once they dismantle the feminist and diversity cult academia is currently mired in.

    These schools need to be lead by individuals tha are unapologetically pro-Western civilization in the traditional pre 60s sense.
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  42. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    When an expensive college accepts a poor-quality black, that black often can get a free scholarship from the government. The college doesn’t have to pay anything from their endowment to give that kid an education. There are also a ton of other types of scholarships available to blacks whose money will stay out of the colleges’s hands unless some black pops up to claim the scholarship. If no student claims the scholarship, no money will come into the college from whatever long-ago founder established that scholarship. Therefore, colleges have an incentive to find every means of outside funding for minority students because the colleges profit financially from it.

    However, colleges in this day an age usually have give some sort of aid package to white students who are better than that black academically, but whose parents are just making white, middle-class money, and who are expected to be able to pay quite a lot even when most of them can’t cover the full cost. There simply isn’t anywhere near enough scholarship money available to white students.

    The white kid needs that college aid package to be able to afford that jacked-up tuition, and even so, may still have to take out loans. But the necessity for expensive loans may discourage that white kid from going to that college at all, and may have the kid looking at cheaper schools–or just not going to college, which from the college’s money-making perspective, is the worst case scenario for themselves. So the college is forced to meet the kid part-way with an aid package to get the kid to agree to come. Most colleges are still mostly white. They need those poorer but smarter white kids to fill the seats.

    But–and this is the important point–the money for that aid package comes from the college’s endowment. If one college offers an aid package of 10K to 500 whites for 4 years, that comes to 20 million right out of the college’s endowment. They’re expensive for the college to educate.

    That means if you fill as many seats as possible with minorities, the college doesn’t have to spend money educating those minorities. At 50K a year, that’s 200K that the government or some scholarship founder pays the college. If you start with 50 blacks in freshman year, that’s 2.5 mil the college makes outside sources. Even if 30 0f those 50 drop out at the end of the year, the 20 that complete still bring in a lot of cash. The 30 are just wastage. But the important thing is, the college still makes a lot of money even if those 30 complete only 1 year. That’s 1.5 million earned from the failures. Therefore, the college has a major incentive to stuff as many blacks and other minorities into the school even if they flunk out first year. They generate a lot of cash from Uncle Sam and elsewhere.

    In essence, the money from the government and scholarships intended for minorities, which goes to minority students, is taken by the colleges, is absorbed into their finances, and then it goes to help subsidize the aid packages of the white kids.

    Frankly, the whole thing would be better run if no college took poor quality students of whatever color, and the government just set aside money as direct scholarships with no strings attached to white middle-class students who are being priced out of the college market and robbed of a chance to get an education.

    It’s these whites who are going to become taxpayers, and they’re worth subsidizing because their tax money will give back to the government, especially if their education lets them find better-paying jobs than they might not have gotten with just high school educations. Some of that extra income will go to the government as extra tax money that the government might not have gotten, and middle-class whites wouldn’t have so much of a debt burden from school loans.

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  43. @jim jones
    If you walked into a room to meet your lawyer and he was black would you stay or would you go?

    change “lawyer” to “surgeon” and really scare yourself.

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  44. @Ed
    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.

    “British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture”

    It’s not just British blacks. It’s French blacks, Africans, Arabs, Berbers, Australian Abos, underclass whites in the US, Britain, Europe, Russia, South Africa, and really anyone else who feels sullen and resentful. Rap, hip-hop and black American culture of violence, resentment, obscenity and self-worship is probably America’s foremost cultural export.

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    Sad. Makes me think of the nice classical concert Putin gave the Syrians after he helped them take Palmyra/Tadmor away from ISIS. Yeah, I know it was a publicity stunt, and Putin's not my favorite person by a long shot. But still I liked the symbolic message: Here's a sample of the best that our culture has produced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/05/palmyra-amphitheatre-hosts-russian-concert-after-recapture-by-syrian-forces

    , @Ivy
    Rap is hard to take in English and any foreign language versions just start sounding goofy, or like someone is having a stroke.
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  45. @TelfoedJohn
    The inner core of the liberal’s unconscious mind thinks “blacks should be held to a lower standard because blacks are on average mentally inferior”. Therefore you get plaques for blacks for just behaving as a normal human being:
    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a19391661/evoni-williams-viral-waitress-helping-elderly-man/


    But I don’t think that this thought enters their concious mind. With conservatives, it does enter the conscious mind, but they see it would be unwelcome to say in public, so there are odd mental gymnastics.

    Nice black waitress cuts up old white man’s pancakes for him. White people go nuts! End of article: “When Texas Southern University learned of Williams’ good deed, they offered her a $16,000 scholarship along with the aid of a counselor to help her enroll at the university!”

    This would not be a story, much less a sensation, were the hero not black. I recall a big story from a few years ago when a black bus driver pulled over on a bridge to talk down a white man ready to jump off. I agree that the bus driver is a great guy and what he did was commendable. I just don’t think it would have made the national news had he not been black. In the minds of the reporters who reported it and the audience that swooned over it, there’s an unconscious “man bites dog” element: Black waitress isn’t rude! Bus driver isn’t indifferent to white people’s suffering!

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    I looked up the bus driver story, and guess what, Trump gave him $6k: http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/02/billionaire-donald-trump-gifts-6000-to-brave-bus-driver-who-enticed-suicidal-woman-from-bridge-4170724/

    To be honest, what the driver did was better than cutting food.

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  46. @Almost Missouri

    "British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture"
     
    It's not just British blacks. It's French blacks, Africans, Arabs, Berbers, Australian Abos, underclass whites in the US, Britain, Europe, Russia, South Africa, and really anyone else who feels sullen and resentful. Rap, hip-hop and black American culture of violence, resentment, obscenity and self-worship is probably America's foremost cultural export.

    Sad. Makes me think of the nice classical concert Putin gave the Syrians after he helped them take Palmyra/Tadmor away from ISIS. Yeah, I know it was a publicity stunt, and Putin’s not my favorite person by a long shot. But still I liked the symbolic message: Here’s a sample of the best that our culture has produced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/05/palmyra-amphitheatre-hosts-russian-concert-after-recapture-by-syrian-forces

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    Agree. Sad to say, if an American force had liberated Palmyra and it had occurred to the commanders/PR flacks to hold a musical event, they probably would have flown in some stupid rap act with enormous speaker towers.
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  47. @Anonymous
    If you are a 105 IQ person, you have a shot at passing the bar in a state not California or New York, if and only if you go to a law school where they pound "black letter law" really hard, and moreso attend a good prep course for the particular state's bar after graduation. You then can make a living in any of several less glamorous niches in many places. You'll be paying on your school loans a long time, but even so, you will do better than if you were, say, a schoolteacher, at least until you retire.

    (In a state with especially munificent pensions like New Jersey, your retirement will be better than if you were a lawyer, but then again, you'd also do better in retirement as a craft railroader, which requires only high school, or a career in the military followed by a federal career with the IRS or the post office-enlist at 18, retire at 38 with pension and then go to work as a GS-whatever and at 65 get two fat pensions.)

    What is the average IQ of blacks who get into law school? I'm guessing it might be in the range we are talking, since in fact more do eventually pass than not.

    This ignores the fact that very few 105 IQ whites get into law school, but since the supply of lawyers is largely regulated indirectly by ABA law school accreditation, if most of those blacks were replaced by whites or the more suitable varieties of Asians, and the bar pass rates went up, I'm guessing they'd just reduce the number of law schools in one way or another to adjust. But those blacks (and, I assume, mestizos and other NAMs) who incur the crushing debt only never to be able to practice law are of no real concern to anyone in power.

    There has been a crash in demand for lawyers – I think a lot of the drudge work has been replaced by computers or farmed out to India or something, but there has been a real shift in demand. Enrollment has dropped at many 3rd tier law schools and the 2nd tier places have lowered their cutoffs drastically in order to remain full. Even so, something like 1/2 of law grads end up in jobs for which a law degree is not required. So if the ABA is limiting the supply of lawyers they are doing a lousy job.

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    "There has been a crash in demand for lawyers ..."

    Good
    , @Anonymous
    A law degree is not required to be a state legislator, a US Representative or Senator, or President of the United States, and furthermore, if it were up to me it would be a disqualification by law: nevertheless statistically if you want to be a politician law school tends to be a big asset. Our political leaders are disproportionately attorneys.

    A law degree and its concomitant bar membership is also a big path to success in commercial real estate and many other ventures. Most people attending law school do not intend to spend their entire working career practicing law, unlike medical school, where students are not even accepted if they don't profess having full intentions of staying in clinical practice of medicine and most students do fully intend that. More doctors quit clinical practice now than in the past, but it still is the exception rather than the rule.
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  48. The African Hitler will be of American origin.

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  49. @Jack D
    There has been a crash in demand for lawyers - I think a lot of the drudge work has been replaced by computers or farmed out to India or something, but there has been a real shift in demand. Enrollment has dropped at many 3rd tier law schools and the 2nd tier places have lowered their cutoffs drastically in order to remain full. Even so, something like 1/2 of law grads end up in jobs for which a law degree is not required. So if the ABA is limiting the supply of lawyers they are doing a lousy job.

    “There has been a crash in demand for lawyers …”

    Good

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  50. @AndrewR
    Really? Is someone with a 176 LSAT score really likely to run circles around someone with a 167?

    The LSAT score range is only 60 points (120 to 180) vs 600 points for the SAT, so each 1 point drop = 10 SAT points . Is someone with a 760 SAT likely to run circles around someone with a 670? 9 LSAT points is almost a full standard deviation, which by coincidence is about the average difference between blacks and whites. Is someone with a 139 IQ likely to run circles around someone with a 125? What about a 100 vs an 86? It’s the same degree of difference. I don’t know about circles, but it is a real and significant difference that will likely be reflected in your GPA.

    What people sometimes don’t realize is that IQ differences are linear – maybe to you guys with a 125 and a 139 are both very bright guys but when you get to a competitive law school that is challenging them at their level, the difference is going to show. It’s like skiers or swimmers – anyone who qualifies for the Olympics could ski/swim the pants off of you, but when they get to the competition even small differences will determine who gets a medal.

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    I used to ski race--the Olympic analogy is a good one. It was a humbling honor to be in the same race (non-Olympic) with skiers that talented--but none of us (lower tier skiers) confused ourselves with the idea that we were in the same class as the Olympic-caliber racers. Night and day.
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  51. @Ed
    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.

    Not just the British blacks, though they are an extreme case. Even among the white underclass of France & UK, you see large influence of black American culture.

    It is kind of strange to see America, a historically Anglo-Saxon nation, becoming the vessel of Africanization of the world.

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    Not really. Africanization is a function of matriarchy. The more matriarchal the more swagger, violence, intimidation matter and the more hard work and iq are a negative.

    Given the choice women of all races prefer a rapper to a NASA engineer
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  52. @Anonitron3
    I’ve taken the LSAT and the GRE and I have some experience tutoring the verbal portion of the GMAT. The LSAT is really weird and difficult by grad school admissions standards. The fact that top schools recruit exclusively from people in the 170s says a great deal about the kind of cognitive firepower they’re dealing with.

    Someone who scores in the 150s or low 160s is going to be utterly out of his depth. Their classmates will be able to do 150s level work without even trying, and people in top schools tend to try very hard.

    I think the GRE gets used for a much broader spectrum – from relatively low IQ grad programs like Masters in Education to physics PhD programs. My daughter took the GRE on a whim without any prep and she got an extremely high score. I don’t think the math is much harder than what is on the SAT. For someone who has an undergrad engineering degree from MIT, I had the feeling that the math was almost trivial for her and she just ceilinged out. For her it was like doing the Monday crossword puzzle. For Shawnikra trying to get her M.E so she can get a pay raise, OTOH it might pose a real challenge.

    Even though the LSAT has a 60 point range, the relevant range for top laws schools is only the top 20 points and for whites/Asians the top 10.

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    Math in the GRE when I took it in to the 80s was high school level.
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  53. @Ed
    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.

    Also, #blackLivesMatter is spreading like a virus among “activists” in France & UK. We should expect more riots in near future after some “person of color” is hurt during arrest.

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  54. Study groups in law schools are important for future networking, much like the old school secret societies at Yale and Harvard. Th elite folks at law school who will be going on to Deep State positions and/or high level politics will find each other and start networking early. The admission price isn’t merely smarts, it’s that clever politicking that most folks don’t cotton to. I’m sure there were much smarter folks at Yale Law when Bill Clinton was there but they’re at some podunk law school or practicing lucrative but non-political law because Bill knew who would be a future mover and shaker and buddied up to them while smarter kid didn’t think or want to do that

    You don’t need a study group to get good grades; outlines and old exams are freely available each year for every professor and course. You need the study group for “intangible” (re: networking) reasons.

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  55. @sabril

    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.
     
    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. "come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract." It's very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.

    Law firms publish the number of minorities and women they hire (obviously not including Jews). They don’t hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired. They can never meet their quotas. The trade papers contain constant self-flagellation over this.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find. If anything, I think Asians would be better at this.

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    They don’t hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired.
     
    I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified" but big law firms are buried in applications and plenty of people from top-30 law schools with decent grades want BigLaw but don't get it.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find
     
    That's not so, law firm associates also have to do legal research and writing. But even document review (if you are reviewing the other side's documents) entails vaguely defined tasks. Because you are looking for documents that will help your client's case and it's not always clear from the outset what you are looking for. Reviewing your own side's documents tends to be more mundane, which is why it's common to hire temp attorneys from low-ranked law schools to do this sort of document review.
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  56. @I, Libertine
    Law school grad here.

    Study groups aren't unicorns, but only a few students join them, the best students don't (too competitive to help their fellows), and they disappear after first year. More of a plot device from The Paper Chase than a real thing. Like "the reading of the will." Maybe they exist in real life, but have you ever been to one? Me neither, and I worked in estate law for a couple of years.

    BTW, in my section (i.e., one third of our entering class), we had two black students in first year. One, a middle aged woman, flunked out, and therefore sued the school for discrimination (even though all grades are based on anonymously-submitted essay tests, making me wonder what the theory of her suit was). The other, a personable former Army officer, was a middling student who went on to enjoy a very successful career, not as a lawyer, but as a legal recruiter.

    The other, a personable former Army officer, was a middling student who went on to enjoy a very successful career, not as a lawyer, but as a legal recruiter.

    There are good jobs in corporate America for blacks with decent skills and a good attitude.

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  57. @Rosamond Vincy
    They had an article on the attack in Daily Mail, but strangely left out the part about "African descent.". Just described it as a bunch of "female yobs" (low-class gangbanger types).

    My twitter feed and other websites I follow in the UK were full of comments about the evils of white racism. Some even had suggestions that the perps photos were not being shown in the press to cover up their whiteness….

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  58. @rogue-one
    Not just the British blacks, though they are an extreme case. Even among the white underclass of France & UK, you see large influence of black American culture.

    It is kind of strange to see America, a historically Anglo-Saxon nation, becoming the vessel of Africanization of the world.

    Not really. Africanization is a function of matriarchy. The more matriarchal the more swagger, violence, intimidation matter and the more hard work and iq are a negative.

    Given the choice women of all races prefer a rapper to a NASA engineer

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  59. @william munny
    Law firms publish the number of minorities and women they hire (obviously not including Jews). They don't hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired. They can never meet their quotas. The trade papers contain constant self-flagellation over this.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find. If anything, I think Asians would be better at this.

    They don’t hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “qualified” but big law firms are buried in applications and plenty of people from top-30 law schools with decent grades want BigLaw but don’t get it.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find

    That’s not so, law firm associates also have to do legal research and writing. But even document review (if you are reviewing the other side’s documents) entails vaguely defined tasks. Because you are looking for documents that will help your client’s case and it’s not always clear from the outset what you are looking for. Reviewing your own side’s documents tends to be more mundane, which is why it’s common to hire temp attorneys from low-ranked law schools to do this sort of document review.

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    are you serious? document searches have become easy thx to digital technology. Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain't a creative field unless you're a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.
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  60. @AndrewR
    That's not even "fringes." A non-hijabi Egyptian girl studying engineering on a student visa is not really part of the "fringe." She probably would have fit in well to English society. This is a sad story.

    I didn’t click on the story but I’m guessing a black boyfriend of one of the ladies took an interest in the Egyptian girl and that spurred the attack.

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  61. @Thomm
    Actually, Yale Law is now officially 48% 'minorities'. That means they are in fact counting Asians as 'minorities' (but note now they don't break down the minority group further, because that would reveal a lot more Asians than blacks).

    https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/entering-class-profile

    That said, the fact that they are 53% female indicates that the dominant ideology in the US today - feminism - is something they are kowtowing to. There will never be a case when more than 20% of the best attorneys are female.

    Few things can destroy a smart woman's attractiveness more totally than Law School.

    One of the Ivies, preferably Harvard, needs a Trump like figure to take over the reins. Someone that is confident in their course and can withstand the vicious barbs that will head their way once they dismantle the feminist and diversity cult academia is currently mired in.

    These schools need to be lead by individuals tha are unapologetically pro-Western civilization in the traditional pre 60s sense.

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  62. @Jack D
    I think the GRE gets used for a much broader spectrum - from relatively low IQ grad programs like Masters in Education to physics PhD programs. My daughter took the GRE on a whim without any prep and she got an extremely high score. I don't think the math is much harder than what is on the SAT. For someone who has an undergrad engineering degree from MIT, I had the feeling that the math was almost trivial for her and she just ceilinged out. For her it was like doing the Monday crossword puzzle. For Shawnikra trying to get her M.E so she can get a pay raise, OTOH it might pose a real challenge.

    Even though the LSAT has a 60 point range, the relevant range for top laws schools is only the top 20 points and for whites/Asians the top 10.

    Math in the GRE when I took it in to the 80s was high school level.

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  63. @sabril

    They don’t hire that many minorities or women, and they have a much higher attrition rate, so anyone remotely close to being qualified will be hired.
     
    I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified" but big law firms are buried in applications and plenty of people from top-30 law schools with decent grades want BigLaw but don't get it.

    Also, the work of a low level associate requires very little creativity. Usually they are looking through a ton of documents for weeks at a time, and writing memos about what they find
     
    That's not so, law firm associates also have to do legal research and writing. But even document review (if you are reviewing the other side's documents) entails vaguely defined tasks. Because you are looking for documents that will help your client's case and it's not always clear from the outset what you are looking for. Reviewing your own side's documents tends to be more mundane, which is why it's common to hire temp attorneys from low-ranked law schools to do this sort of document review.

    are you serious? document searches have become easy thx to digital technology. Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain’t a creative field unless you’re a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.

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    are you serious?
     
    Absolutely.

    document searches have become easy thx to digital technology.
     
    Not at all. It's easy to search for "documents which contain the word 'strawberry'" It's not (necessarily) easy to search for "documents which show that the other side is lying."

    Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain’t a creative field unless you’re a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.
     
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Lawyers constantly have to solve vaguely defined problems.
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  64. @Yak-15
    I am more interested in things that can have more real world effects than law. For example, what are the malpractice rates for minorities in medicine?

    “I am more interested in things that can have more real world effects than law. For example, what are the malpractice rates for minorities in medicine?”

    Um… You realize that the law has quite a bit to do with malpractice rates? As in those are civil trials?

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  65. @Ed
    I’ve noticed on social media that British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture. That can’t be good news for the U.K. going forward.

    Increasingly? I thought the ghetto hoodie look was a British import, as they’ve had CCTV for decades now, and the hoodie has been used to obscure one’s identity from cameras in the street.

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  66. @JackOH
    " . . . [A]nd shroud the education system in dishonesty."

    " . . . [T]hose [White students] who do get in and then have to walk on eggshells around the aggrieved and resentful beneficiaries who sense they aren’t as smart and lash out at anyone who reminds them of this fact."

    Yep. I suspect there are strong "social dysphoric" consequences to the whole web of government sanctioned preferences in hiring, college admissions, and so on, and that these consequences are generally of the slippery slope/camel's nose under the tent type.

    I don't have the brain cells or years on the clock to tease out those consequences. But, I'll guess the "social dysphoria" begins with someone noticing that government mandates Policy X, affirmative action, which results in bad consequences. Policy X is defined as good regardless of bad consequences. What is the effect on the HR guy or others in hiring positions or on admissions committees? Demoralization? Institutional cowardice or dishonesty? Internalized cowardice or dishonesty?

    Corruption. Corruption essentially being actions taken based on the denial of reality, the denial of truth.

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    Forbes, I looked up the etymology of "corruption": "destroy", "ruin", "break to pieces". That's, more or less, what I was thinking. I imagine how Germans under the Nazis and Russians under the Bolsheviks were day by day "broken" into accepting policies that ranged from dubious to stomach-churning.
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  67. It’s bad for the affirmative action receiver because it convinces him (and increasingly nowadays, her) he is the victim of discrimination. Why else would a student celebrated as a great STEM undergraduate candidate for MIT be unable to pass organic chemistry there? Or even second term calc?

    It’s a disaster for the black kids at the Ivies+MIT+Stanford who went to be academic stars. They never recover. Kids at these places kill themselves for not being able to match up, regardless of race. But these kids carry the shame of having everyone at home pinning their hopes on them. Sometimes they do that with drugs or alcohol, sometimes they flunk out. What they don’t do is become successful.

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  68. @Cindy
    This story left me gobsmacked. I've cut up an awful lot of old people's food, even while I was being paid nothing to serve them. It's called volunteering. Never occurred to me this was so above and beyond that I should get a scholarship for it. Actually, I just felt all warm and glowy from being a little light in someone's life. I hope the nice girl (who didn't probably think she was doing anything very far outside the realm of normal human kindness, as I don't) goes very far with her scholarship, but what possesses people to throw money at this kind of stuff? Did the old man not give her a tip? Was she wading into toxic sludge under a hail of enemy fire to cut up his steak? I don't get it. I really don't. Maybe this outsize reward will encourage more acts of kindness in others, though. That might be something.

    The cynic in me thinks we will soon get a lot of black-people-cutting-food setup videos, with the cutters demanding free stuff afterwards.

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  69. @Harry Baldwin
    Nice black waitress cuts up old white man's pancakes for him. White people go nuts! End of article: "When Texas Southern University learned of Williams' good deed, they offered her a $16,000 scholarship along with the aid of a counselor to help her enroll at the university!"

    This would not be a story, much less a sensation, were the hero not black. I recall a big story from a few years ago when a black bus driver pulled over on a bridge to talk down a white man ready to jump off. I agree that the bus driver is a great guy and what he did was commendable. I just don't think it would have made the national news had he not been black. In the minds of the reporters who reported it and the audience that swooned over it, there's an unconscious "man bites dog" element: Black waitress isn't rude! Bus driver isn't indifferent to white people's suffering!

    I looked up the bus driver story, and guess what, Trump gave him $6k: http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/02/billionaire-donald-trump-gifts-6000-to-brave-bus-driver-who-enticed-suicidal-woman-from-bridge-4170724/

    To be honest, what the driver did was better than cutting food.

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    This seems, as they say, to be a thing:
    http://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/time100/article/0,28804,1595326_1615754_1615746,00.html
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  70. @Negrolphin Pool
    Some on the left, like Bill Maher, talk from time to time about the "soft bigotry of low expectations".

    The fact that the video went viral at all is a strong indicator of just how deficient black empathy is held to be. A video of a sled dog playing with its owner isn't a good bet to go viral whereas that same dog playing with a 2,000 pound polar bear (who decides to snack on another similar dog off camera 15 minutes later) is.

    Sometimes, the recipient of the pat on the head can’t work out why they got it. Like a pitbull who has just been patted for not attacking a small child.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/barack-obama-stephen-colbert-nobel-peace-prize-a7367321.html

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  71. @SonOfStrom
    Law school study groups are less about who is in them (as long as everyone is reasonably competent, and w/the caveat that at a T14 school you might have class with a future President) and more about adjusting to a radically different way of studying (to prepare yourself for the radically different way law school exams are administered v HS and College exams$.

    Normal study techniques like flash cards are largely ineffective (at least not by themselves) because most of your exams are long, open-ended (usually implausibly complicated) scenarios that force you to isolate facts and apply the broad legal concepts you’ve been learning to the specifics of the scenario. If you haven’t studied this way (often involving lots of discussion and teasing-out of the concepts) you’re going to get mauled walking in and trying to just regurgitate a bunch of definitions.

    w/the caveat that at a T14 school you might have class with a future President

    That’s a pretty ambitious (egotistical) caveat. Four T14 presidents (Nixon, Ford, Clinton, Obama) in my lifetime. I wouldn’t hold your breath. You’re more likely to get a USSC justice…

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  72. @Tyrion 2
    Mismatch is a huge issue. Most university students are incredibly anxious about their work as their performance at uni is integral to their self-esteem. This does not mean they work hard however as a nervous fear of failure demotivates many of them.

    Imagine you get into a great uni. Everyone tells you how bright and wonderful you are. How your future could be golden.

    Then you arrive at uni and you really struggle. And most of the other people who really struggle just happen to look like you.

    Your self-esteem goes from artificially high to artificially low. And the circumstances throw your ethnicity in your face. This is a recipe for resentment.

    Absolutely right. The resentment is a trrible outcome for the individual and for society as a whole.

    It happens to women in STEM too. And it’s a lot easier to assume people are messing with you because of your sex or your race than to believe it’s just that they’re that much smarter than you.

    It’s just a self defense mechanism. But worse, it’s repeated everywhere all the time by the deans and the admins, by the news, by the “right” people. It’s easy to see it everywhere, too.

    And if you overcome it, then what? If you realize you really aren’t as good as the others, now what? It’s a terrible crushing blow. Even if you never blame another person, never resent the people who used you, how do you go on?

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  73. @Jack D
    The LSAT score range is only 60 points (120 to 180) vs 600 points for the SAT, so each 1 point drop = 10 SAT points . Is someone with a 760 SAT likely to run circles around someone with a 670? 9 LSAT points is almost a full standard deviation, which by coincidence is about the average difference between blacks and whites. Is someone with a 139 IQ likely to run circles around someone with a 125? What about a 100 vs an 86? It's the same degree of difference. I don't know about circles, but it is a real and significant difference that will likely be reflected in your GPA.

    What people sometimes don't realize is that IQ differences are linear - maybe to you guys with a 125 and a 139 are both very bright guys but when you get to a competitive law school that is challenging them at their level, the difference is going to show. It's like skiers or swimmers - anyone who qualifies for the Olympics could ski/swim the pants off of you, but when they get to the competition even small differences will determine who gets a medal.

    I used to ski race–the Olympic analogy is a good one. It was a humbling honor to be in the same race (non-Olympic) with skiers that talented–but none of us (lower tier skiers) confused ourselves with the idea that we were in the same class as the Olympic-caliber racers. Night and day.

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  74. @Forbes
    Corruption. Corruption essentially being actions taken based on the denial of reality, the denial of truth.

    Forbes, I looked up the etymology of “corruption”: “destroy”, “ruin”, “break to pieces”. That’s, more or less, what I was thinking. I imagine how Germans under the Nazis and Russians under the Bolsheviks were day by day “broken” into accepting policies that ranged from dubious to stomach-churning.

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  75. O.T.

    The new president of Liberia proposed to amend the Constitution of that country to allow white people to become citizens. Some subjects are skeptical:

    Imam Ali Krayee said an influx of people “who are far more advanced intellectually and economically” would take over the major cities and push indigenous Liberians into the slums.

    Astute.

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    Odd because Liberians already live in slums. Google “West Point Monrovia” you will see hell on earth. Vice did a report from there a few years ago. Hookers turning tricks for less than $1 on blood stained mattresses.
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  76. @Meretricious
    are you serious? document searches have become easy thx to digital technology. Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain't a creative field unless you're a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.

    are you serious?

    Absolutely.

    document searches have become easy thx to digital technology.

    Not at all. It’s easy to search for “documents which contain the word ‘strawberry’” It’s not (necessarily) easy to search for “documents which show that the other side is lying.”

    Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain’t a creative field unless you’re a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Lawyers constantly have to solve vaguely defined problems.

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    intellectual property--u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?
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  77. @rogue-one
    OT:

    Coalition of fringes in the UK.

    Egyptian student attacked in U.K. dies of wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.

    Thank you for the link. I did wonder about this crime, because Nottingham is not known for its racial intolerance.

    The race of the crims is not stated in the British media. Even when the case comes to trial, it will probably never be stated because the accused are minors and cannot be identified. It is easier for the media to pretend that whitey is to blame.

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    This seems as if it could literally be a black-on-white racial murder that is being presented as a white-on-black racial murder.

    From the Egypt Today article linked above (http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds):
    "Moustafa’s mother posted a video on social media saying that her daughter is in critical condition due to being brutally beaten by the 10 women. She claimed that the assault was race-motivated, as her daughter doesn’t actually know those girls at all and never talked with them before. "
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  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    There has been a crash in demand for lawyers - I think a lot of the drudge work has been replaced by computers or farmed out to India or something, but there has been a real shift in demand. Enrollment has dropped at many 3rd tier law schools and the 2nd tier places have lowered their cutoffs drastically in order to remain full. Even so, something like 1/2 of law grads end up in jobs for which a law degree is not required. So if the ABA is limiting the supply of lawyers they are doing a lousy job.

    A law degree is not required to be a state legislator, a US Representative or Senator, or President of the United States, and furthermore, if it were up to me it would be a disqualification by law: nevertheless statistically if you want to be a politician law school tends to be a big asset. Our political leaders are disproportionately attorneys.

    A law degree and its concomitant bar membership is also a big path to success in commercial real estate and many other ventures. Most people attending law school do not intend to spend their entire working career practicing law, unlike medical school, where students are not even accepted if they don’t profess having full intentions of staying in clinical practice of medicine and most students do fully intend that. More doctors quit clinical practice now than in the past, but it still is the exception rather than the rule.

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  79. @sabril

    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.
     
    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. "come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract." It's very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.

    come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract.

    Ha. Did you ever read Clients Against Lawyers (Harper’s 9/67)? The author, a former Cravath lawyer, says most of his work involved the client saying either, “he’s screwing me,” or “I’m having trouble screwing him.”

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  80. @sabril

    are you serious?
     
    Absolutely.

    document searches have become easy thx to digital technology.
     
    Not at all. It's easy to search for "documents which contain the word 'strawberry'" It's not (necessarily) easy to search for "documents which show that the other side is lying."

    Law is basically about meticulousness, and it ain’t a creative field unless you’re a legal writer. Writing memos is a skill, like juggling. And litigation is not that cognitively demanding.
     
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Lawyers constantly have to solve vaguely defined problems.

    intellectual property–u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?

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    u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?
     
    No, and that's a problem. If she were an independent attorney I certainly wouldn't hire her to represent me in a commercial dispute.
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  81. @TelfoedJohn
    I looked up the bus driver story, and guess what, Trump gave him $6k: http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/02/billionaire-donald-trump-gifts-6000-to-brave-bus-driver-who-enticed-suicidal-woman-from-bridge-4170724/

    To be honest, what the driver did was better than cutting food.

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  82. @Almost Missouri

    "British blacks are increasingly immersing themselves into black American culture"
     
    It's not just British blacks. It's French blacks, Africans, Arabs, Berbers, Australian Abos, underclass whites in the US, Britain, Europe, Russia, South Africa, and really anyone else who feels sullen and resentful. Rap, hip-hop and black American culture of violence, resentment, obscenity and self-worship is probably America's foremost cultural export.

    Rap is hard to take in English and any foreign language versions just start sounding goofy, or like someone is having a stroke.

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  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    In late February, Mariam, an 18-year-old engineering student based in Nottingham, U.K., was brutally beaten by 10 British women of African descent.
     
    Thank you for the link. I did wonder about this crime, because Nottingham is not known for its racial intolerance.

    The race of the crims is not stated in the British media. Even when the case comes to trial, it will probably never be stated because the accused are minors and cannot be identified. It is easier for the media to pretend that whitey is to blame.

    This seems as if it could literally be a black-on-white racial murder that is being presented as a white-on-black racial murder.

    From the Egypt Today article linked above (http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds):
    “Moustafa’s mother posted a video on social media saying that her daughter is in critical condition due to being brutally beaten by the 10 women. She claimed that the assault was race-motivated, as her daughter doesn’t actually know those girls at all and never talked with them before. “

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    It looks like they are starting a cover-up regarding the role of the bus driver.

    Here he seems a hero (or an attempted hero):
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-43413487
    'In a statement, bus company Nottingham City Transport (NCT) said one of its drivers helped Miss Moustafa.

    "We would like to publicly recognise our driver, who went upstairs to intervene and acted as a barrier between the attackers and the young lady, after he asked them to leave the bus," NCT said.'

    But wait...
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5817988/mariam-moustafa-nottingham-bus-attack-coma-dead-video/
    'Mariam got a bus and ran on, and told the bus driver to not let them on because they were beating her but he said he couldn't do that.'
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  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    This seems as if it could literally be a black-on-white racial murder that is being presented as a white-on-black racial murder.

    From the Egypt Today article linked above (http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/45250/Egyptian-student-attacked-in-U-K-dies-of-wounds):
    "Moustafa’s mother posted a video on social media saying that her daughter is in critical condition due to being brutally beaten by the 10 women. She claimed that the assault was race-motivated, as her daughter doesn’t actually know those girls at all and never talked with them before. "

    It looks like they are starting a cover-up regarding the role of the bus driver.

    Here he seems a hero (or an attempted hero):

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-43413487

    ‘In a statement, bus company Nottingham City Transport (NCT) said one of its drivers helped Miss Moustafa.

    “We would like to publicly recognise our driver, who went upstairs to intervene and acted as a barrier between the attackers and the young lady, after he asked them to leave the bus,” NCT said.’

    But wait…

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5817988/mariam-moustafa-nottingham-bus-attack-coma-dead-video/

    ‘Mariam got a bus and ran on, and told the bus driver to not let them on because they were beating her but he said he couldn’t do that.’

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  85. @Yngvar
    O.T.

    The new president of Liberia proposed to amend the Constitution of that country to allow white people to become citizens. Some subjects are skeptical:


    Imam Ali Krayee said an influx of people “who are far more advanced intellectually and economically” would take over the major cities and push indigenous Liberians into the slums.
     
    Astute.

    Odd because Liberians already live in slums. Google “West Point Monrovia” you will see hell on earth. Vice did a report from there a few years ago. Hookers turning tricks for less than $1 on blood stained mattresses.

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  86. @sabril

    Imagine believing that a firm would pass over an equally qualified Asian female for a white guy.
     
    I agree with you to an extent, but even big law firms need to get stuff done and of all the people in the world who can get stuff done, the vast majority are white men. To be sure, a smart Asian female can do a good job on a clearly defined task. But a lot of work is vaguely defined, e.g. "come up with some arguments for why Company X should not have to honor this contract." It's very rare to meet a woman or non-white who can do a good job on such an assignment. (Probably this is why most inventions are the work of white men.)

    So if the firm had already filled up its affirmative action quotas, the hiring partners might feel they have the green light to hire only white men from then on.

    I am currently working on a deal where the other side is represented by a Big Law firm. The partner is a white female, the senior associate is South Asian and the junior associate is a black female. It’s clear to me that none of these people really know what the hell they are doing. They can go thru the motions like trained monkeys but deep down they don’t really understand what the hell they are doing on a fundamental level. Our society is being hollowed out to a frightening degree.

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    Can you elaborate? How do you make partner if you do not know what you are doing?
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  87. @Meretricious
    intellectual property--u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?

    u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?

    No, and that’s a problem. If she were an independent attorney I certainly wouldn’t hire her to represent me in a commercial dispute.

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    she's stupid--1 of the many horrible hires made by our incompetent Barry
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  88. @sabril

    u think Sotomayor is a great legal mind?
     
    No, and that's a problem. If she were an independent attorney I certainly wouldn't hire her to represent me in a commercial dispute.

    she’s stupid–1 of the many horrible hires made by our incompetent Barry

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    If litigation were not cognitively demanding, then it wouldn't matter to hire someone like Sotomayor to represent you in a commercial dispute. If she's smart enough to pass the bar, that ought to be enough. But it's not. Because litigation entails vaguely defined tasks.
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  89. @Meretricious
    she's stupid--1 of the many horrible hires made by our incompetent Barry

    If litigation were not cognitively demanding, then it wouldn’t matter to hire someone like Sotomayor to represent you in a commercial dispute. If she’s smart enough to pass the bar, that ought to be enough. But it’s not. Because litigation entails vaguely defined tasks.

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    OK--the Wise Latina can neither write nor think deeply. She's so dumb she actually believes that wise Latina BS. A major embarrassment
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  90. @sabril
    If litigation were not cognitively demanding, then it wouldn't matter to hire someone like Sotomayor to represent you in a commercial dispute. If she's smart enough to pass the bar, that ought to be enough. But it's not. Because litigation entails vaguely defined tasks.

    OK–the Wise Latina can neither write nor think deeply. She’s so dumb she actually believes that wise Latina BS. A major embarrassment

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  91. Just checking

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  92. @Jack D
    I am currently working on a deal where the other side is represented by a Big Law firm. The partner is a white female, the senior associate is South Asian and the junior associate is a black female. It's clear to me that none of these people really know what the hell they are doing. They can go thru the motions like trained monkeys but deep down they don't really understand what the hell they are doing on a fundamental level. Our society is being hollowed out to a frightening degree.

    Can you elaborate? How do you make partner if you do not know what you are doing?

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  93. @International Jew
    Sad. Makes me think of the nice classical concert Putin gave the Syrians after he helped them take Palmyra/Tadmor away from ISIS. Yeah, I know it was a publicity stunt, and Putin's not my favorite person by a long shot. But still I liked the symbolic message: Here's a sample of the best that our culture has produced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/05/palmyra-amphitheatre-hosts-russian-concert-after-recapture-by-syrian-forces

    Agree. Sad to say, if an American force had liberated Palmyra and it had occurred to the commanders/PR flacks to hold a musical event, they probably would have flown in some stupid rap act with enormous speaker towers.

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