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The “precautionary principle” is a rather pretentious late 20th Century term for the common sense old idea that you ought to be more cautious about instituting policies the harder they would be to reverse their effects if they prove bad ideas. For example, importing rabbits into Australia in the 1800s was imprudent because, among other reasons, rabbits breed like rabbits.

The precautionary principle is written into European Union law:

According to the European Commission the precautionary principle may be invoked when a phenomenon, product or process may have a dangerous effect, identified by a scientific and objective evaluation, if this evaluation does not allow the risk to be determined with sufficient certainty.

Recourse to the principle belongs in the general framework of risk analysis (which, besides risk evaluation, includes risk management and risk communication), and more particularly in the context of risk management which corresponds to the decision-making phase.

Strikingly, the precautionary principle is virtually never brought up in the West in regard to immigration and refugee policies.

As we see over and over, if immigrants don’t work out as hoped, it’s not only hard to boot them out of the country, but it’s even politically hard to muster the elite will merely to reduce the number of future immigrants, because the current ones might object to the implicit diss. Instead, as the GOP establishment’s 2013 strategy showed, the easy way to respond to past immigration policy mistakes is to promise to make more of them in the future and to demonize anybody who objects.

Chancellor Merkel’s 2015 whim, for example, would seem like a classic example of when the precautionary principle should have been invoked instead. But this simply doesn’t register in the minds of the kind of people who talk about the precautionary principle.

 

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    Steve, it is interesting that you bring up the example of the EU and also of mass immigration, when illustrating the ‘precautionary principle’.
    In fact, regarding mass immigration, at least, the EU is the absolute and complete antithesis of the ‘precautionary principle’.
    All EU member states are legally bound to uphold the stinky 1951 Geneva Convention on ‘refugees’. EU law takes supremacy over national law. Therefore, the ‘sovereign’ parliaments, assemblies, presidents etc of any EU member state *cannot do a damned thing* to alter the 1951 Convention. They *MUST* enforce it, even if it is against the will of their people, the democratically elected representatives, parliaments, or presidents.
    Now, amongst its stinky obligations the stinky 1951 Convention obliges signatories to accept unlimited massive uncontrolled immigration -if- the magic word ‘ASYLUM’ happens to be uttered.
    This is not a ‘precautionary principle’. It’s a ‘permissive proviso’.

    It’s also the clinching argument of why the British should vote to ‘leave’.

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  2. A related example is Libya. The FT has an editorial this weekend agreeing with Obama that France and Britain should have put troops on the ground after deposing Qatafay and implanted democracy there, and how their failure to do that led to ISIS taking root in Libya and migrants pouring out into Europe. Not much on how they shouldn’t have deposed him in the first place.

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  3. Having considered the issue for long enough, I’ve realized that I can’t even begin to fathom what the hell is going on in the world vis-a-vis immigration. The West has simply gone batshit crazy on immigration, and I have no idea why, short of postulating some ridiculous conspiracy theory which not even I would believe. It’s just part of our modern religious insanity. We all once believed that God made the world in 6 days, and anyone who thought otherwise was a sinner. Now all immigration is good, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a racist. Was there some deliberate effort to lead the bulk of society to that conclusion, or did we end up here by accident?

    It doesn’t really matter. What really matters is…how do we get back to the point where it’s perfectly socially acceptable to support reduced immigration and secure borders? What are the catchphrases and buzzwords that will help us get people to realize that our immigration levels are beyond the point of insane? Because “immigrants steal our jobs” just doesn’t cut it. People don’t understand numbers, either. They don’t understand that one million immigrants per year, even in a country of 320 million, is an insane, unacceptable amount.

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  4. “All EU member states are legally bound to uphold the stinky 1951 Geneva Convention on ‘refugees’. EU law takes supremacy over national law. Therefore, the ‘sovereign’ parliaments, assemblies, presidents etc of any EU member state *cannot do a damned thing* to alter the 1951 Convention. They *MUST* enforce it, even if it is against the will of their people…”

    How ’bout they ignore it, the way Obama has ignored U.S. immigration law? How ’bout they rewrite it to suit their objectives, the same goddamned way Obama has rewritten Obamacare without a snitch of congressional approval?

    Funny how “elites” in power seem to find a way around the law when they do exactly what we’ve come to expect the elites to want to do. Merkel’s invitation to Syrian rapefugees was apparently in complete violation of EU law, but hey, she found a way?

    If various EU countries want to remove themselves from the convention on refugees they’re free to do so, and who’s to stop them?

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    Before the current bout of Merkel madness, typical German conservatism held sway, and persons such as Helmut Kohl and Helmut Schmidt more or less openly expressed scepticism over non-European immigration into Germany, and even proposed repatriation programs.
    Around 10 years ago, German big business, fretting about that bogeyman of a ‘labor shortage’ – there are around 20 million unemployed in the EU – sought in their apeing way to emulate the USA and bring in some sort of ‘green card’, in typical act of ‘originality’ it was called a ‘blue card’ to bring in a mass influx of cheap subcon IT types.
    However, the plan aroused protest and the devasting phrase ‘Kinder keiner Inder’ was oft-repeated.

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    I’m sorry, they are NOT ‘free’ to ignore the 1951 Convention.
    The EU CAN and WILL take action against them, involving nasty, bullying, ‘sanctions’ , fines, freeze-outs, embargoes etc. Also many eastern European nations are dependent on central EU funding (Britain is a massive contributor, but that’s another story). This is the real meaning of ‘independence’. If you depend on another man, any man for your sustenance, then you are his slave, effectively.

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  7. Instead, as the GOP establishment’s 2013 strategy showed, the easy way to respond to past immigration policy mistakes is to promise to make more of them in the future and to demonize anybody who objects.

    Ross’s latest column suggests using party machinations to subvert the will of the voters. I’m wondering when an established pundit will take the leap and suggest scrapping democracy all together.

    Although, ironically, an autocratic America might turn restrictionist. After all, there’d be no incentive to import voters.

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  8. What really matters is…how do we get back to the point where it’s perfectly socially acceptable to support reduced immigration and secure borders?

    We fake it until we make it. President Trump deports all infiltrators, we suffer through all the protests and angst and recriminations and then we vigorously enforce the law and the new “culture on immigration” will become the norm.

    The weak link in the plan is that we have to count on President Trump having the backbone to do what is necessary. Surgeons manage to do what is necessary even as they inflict great trauma on the bodies of their patients because they realize that they’re doing good for the patients. We need to all embrace this analogy and apply it to the immigration issue.

  9. The sequence of events I remember was the columns had already left Greece and were working their way north. So Merkel made the best of a bad situation and pretended she invited them for humanitarian reasons. But the reason they were in the Balkans was because NATO blew up their country, and they are not going to leave unless Syria is rebuilt.

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  10. “importing rabbits into Australia in the 1800s was imprudent”.
    Australia brought in cane toads to control cane beetles and that turned out bad.
    The introduction of Cactoblastis cactorum moth to control feral cactus turned out good.

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  11. Enoch Powell said something close to this. A Hippocratic Oath for politicians. That first (principle) they should do no harm.

  12. Black Lies Matter is extremely pro-open borders and pro-amnesty. They want more George Zimmerman’s in The U.S.

  13. True, but there are consequences for such retaliation. Those consequences may include a large share of the voters in EU member states repulsed by the retaliation. What it turns into is a test of wills, and I would wager that if more than one EU state decided they were done with the convention that Brussels would back down rather quickly.

  14. Arguing that we should not have deposed Gaddafi is missing the point. Regardless of the fact that he was on the West’s payroll, and was no longer funding terrorism, he was still a bad guy. His regime was chronically unstable despite delivering a massive welfare state.

    The real error is that the West, via the Italian colonization, was removed from Libya, which in aeons past was part of the Roman/Byzantine world.

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  15. Send them back to Turkey, and tell Erdogan to pay for reconstruction.

    I hear that the Russians have been angling to take back Constantinople for a few hundred years.

  16. Though I’m all for many of Trump’s policies and his destruction of some of the elite, you gotta admit that this common sense principle should apply to electing a man as seemingly psycopathic and dictatorial as he is.

    You recently compared him to Netanyahu WHICH MAKES SENSE in a limited, policy-based fashion.

    I want Trump to win because – hey, who knows, maybe he’ll do something good like build a wall..? – but really because it’s fun and I don’t mind seeing the edifice quaking.

    But the Hitler 1930s comparisons, although generally proposed by horrible people and occasionally for the wrong reasons, are pretty apt. And, if you care for that sort of thing (which I don’t) some precaution would seem sensible.

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  17. His proposed 35% tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war that would raise prices for consumers, kill export jobs, and lead entrepreneurs and businesses to flee America

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  18. George Soros is more of an honorary Black than Bill Clinton, because so many Black social justice warriors are willing to go to jail or prison for George Soros. That is hardcore loyalty.

    George Soros reminds me of Jim Jones, as they are both White men who had/have a loyal cult following among lower IQ Blacks who are easily brainwashed.

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    Apparently, rabbits were only introduced in order to be food for foxes.
    Foxes were only introduced in order to provide ‘sport’ for transplanted English gentlemen following their passion for fox-hunting.
    Well, I suppose it’s no different from importing indigents from Mexico in order to knock a few cents over the proverbial ‘box of strawberries’ – monumental acts of folly for a trifling indulgence.

  20. They don’t understand that one million immigrants per year, even in a country of 320 million, is an insane, unacceptable amount.

    You mean a country of 200+ million people. That’s what you would have had in the absence of Ted Kennedy’s 1965 Act. Of the rest, today’s immigrants and their children total 61 million people. So, 1 million per year is an insane, unacceptable amount that has been going on for quite some time, and has already worked its foul magic on the US.

  21. Any country that’s bound by the Geneva refugee treaty would have to withdraw separately from it, regardless of its EU status. Also, all Western European countries are part of the Council of Europe, and therefore under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. This has control over immigration policy and has stopped deportations in many test cases. But anyway, as Wilkey says, the countries’ leaders will do what they please, as Merkel has done by ignoring the EU and opening Germany’s borders to invasion.

  22. NATO blew up their country, and they are not going to leave unless Syria is rebuilt

    Explain your odd idea that NATO blew up Syria.

  23. Politicians of both parties like immigration policies that favor the new immigration of relatives of recent immigrants.

    A recent immigrant wants to help his brother to immigrate. The brother has applied to immigrate, but seems to be stuck in a motionless waiting line. Therefore the recent immigrant asks his local Congressman to help. The Congressman promises to help by sending an inquiry letter to the immigration authorities, which then eventually approve the brother’s immigration.

    Whether or not the Congressman’s action actually helped, that growing family of immigrants will vote reliably and eternally for that apparently helpful Congressman.

    This is a real political advantage for incumbent politicians of both parties.

  24. Steve assumes that the globalists were simply naïve and negligent in their decisions to import millions of “refugees.”

    While this is a comforting thought, it is almost certainly false.

    When dealing with globalists one should never assume incompetence when malice is a sufficient explanation.

  25. Perhaps fittingly, it’s actually shorter in German: Vorsorgeprinzip.

  26. “Having considered the issue for long enough, I’ve realized that I can’t even begin to fathom what the hell is going on in the world vis-a-vis immigration. ”

    $

    Cheap labor–>low wages–>bigger profits for elites. They found a way of driving down wages the left could get behind, because it makes them feel good about being nonracist and imports liberal voters.

    Solution? Pretty much what you’re doing. Elect guys like Trump and keep up the pressure on the GOP. Make damn well sure they know amnesty is going to kill them come election time.

    As for the Europeans, if Marine Le Pen and Co. keep winning votes they will have to make a deal. They’re already weakening their pro-refugee policies.

  27. That quote is actually law? Because it’s utter gobbledygook, legally speaking.

  28. Was there some deliberate effort to lead the bulk of society to that conclusion, or did we end up here by accident?

    Although one can’t make a horse drink even if one can lead him to water, if the horse is eternally thirsty and then you slowly change the water in his trough from, say, tap water to Dasani, he will keep on drinking without even realizing he is not drinking the same water.

    I say eternally because, unlike thirst, humans have an endless, insatiable need to believe in things. Most people (outside of this corner of the internet) seem to see belief as “religion” vs non-”religion”. So if you have someone raised in a fundamentalist Baptist family and community and then that person becomes an atheist, chances are that both the Baptists and the atheist will agree that the atheist “doesn’t believe in anything” and/or “isn’t religious” or “has no faith.”

    Whereas, in reality, the atheist has likely just traded one set of largely unfalsifiable beliefs for another set.

    “Anti-racism”, like feminism or any other leftist belief system (which correlate with nonbelief in traditional religion) is almost entirely non-falsifiable. It’s all based on faith. In fact I would go so far as to say that the leftist belief systems are even more insane than even the wackiest traditional religions because most traditionally religious people will say “I won’t know for sure until after I die.” Whereas leftist neoreligion is not based on the idea of an afterlife but is entirely based in this life, yet no amount of empirical evidence or reason will ever convince a feminist that we don’t live in a patriarchy, or an “anti-racist” that we don’t have a white supremacist society.

    Every single white male (using the broadest definition of the term (bye Obama)) could die off and leftists would still claim they lived in a white supremacist patriarchy.

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    Trump just got destroyed in DC and Wyoming. Looks like the protests in Chicago revealed his weakness

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    OT: National Review Writer: Working-Class Communities ‘Deserve To Die’

    National Review’s Kevin Williamson believes Donald Trump’s appeals to the white working class are “immoral” because that demographic’s way of life deserves to die out.

    In a featured article for the prestigious conservative journal entitled “The Father-Fuhrer,” Williamson seeks to rebut criticism that he and other conservatives don’t articulate any policies that would appeal to Trump’s blue collar supporters.

    Williamson, a long-time critic of The Donald, essentially agrees that he doesn’t support any policies or rhetoric directly tailored to the working-class — particularly about jobs being taken by outsourcing and immigration — because it would be wrong to do so.

    “It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces,” the NR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/12/national-review-writer-working-class-communities-deserve-to-die/

    There you have it. What the GOP/conservative establishment thinks of average white America. So sweet.

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  31. Leftist conservative [AKA "Make Unz.com Great Again"]
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    Chancellor Merkel’s 2015 whim, for example, would seem like a classic example of when the precautionary principle should have been invoked instead. But this simply doesn’t register in the minds of the kind of people who talk about the precautionary principle.

    maybe they already KNOW exactly what the effects of such immigration would be? Lower wages (and higher corporate profits); a more diverse populace, leading to lower social integrity and a populace less able to unite against the elite; more consumers, meaning higher corporate profits.

    Maybe the elite are not stupid. Maybe they know exactly what is going to happen. Maybe they know that the hoi polloi are too stupid to understand what is going. Maybe they know the proles can only focus on the other political party (Emmanuel Goldstein) and foam at the mouth about gibmedats and importing liberal party voters.

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  32. “it’s even politically hard to muster the elite will merely to reduce the number of future immigrants, because the current ones might object to the implicit diss”

    Well, if the elite don’t WANT to do something, of course, ANY fricking excuse will do. Any ragtag bunch of opponents counts as an insurmountable obstacle.

    As proof, I’d point to how effortlessly the major European powers have pivoted from denouncing Hungary as un-European for controlling its borders to denouncing Greece because it doesn’t. Previously, the wave of migrants was this Unstoppable Force, this 1000-foot wave, which will just overwhelm or route around any puny obstacles a Hungary might place in its way and all the European masses could do was cower before the Will of the Desperate. Now, suddenly, you see the awesome efficiency of the modern European state effortlessly chopping the wave into little rivulets, turning into stagnant puddles in backwater European states, with no ability to force their way into Germany.

    Passing healthcare reform was politically hard ’cause it took decades and faced deeply entrenched opposition. Abolishing the ExIm bank is politically hard. Policies which are shown to be easily reversible within a matter of *months* don’t qualify as politically hard at all. Hillary is dragged to the left on immigration by liberal-White-Power Bernie Sanders, not by fear of implicitly dissing Jorge Ramos.

  33. Political experiments have uncertain outcomes, and someone has to be first to try them. But the result of mass non-white immigration was obvious before it ever started. Even the most uneducated Englishman in 1950 could have predicted that his country would be changed irreparably by making it ten per cent African or Asian.

    The fact is that we are ruled by people who hate and despise us – there is no other way of putting it. To take people’s country from them as Merkel and Blair have done is the most poisonously evil thing imaginable. They’re spitting on the memory of people who defended us from Saracen and Hun invasions in the past, and they’re condemning us permanently to the status of peoples like the Kurds, forever living as outsiders in countries ruled by other races and hoping our rulers will be merciful to us.

  34. Steve have you read Paul Gottfried’s “The Strange Death of Marxism: European Left In The New Millenium”. Fascinating account of the origins of the Euro elite’s mania for immigration and multiculturalism in the breakdown of classical Marxism during the early cold war and German postwar “re-education”.

  35. Well, it’s pretty simple Steve: if we restrict immigration or in any way acknowledge group differences then inevitably Hitler will be resurrected and the 4th Reich will plunge the world into eternal night!!!

    And how do you come back from that one?

  36. But the reason they were in the Balkans was because NATO blew up their country, and they are not going to leave unless Syria is rebuilt.

    Assad blew up Syria with an assist from Putin and Iran, not NATO. And nobody has blown up Eritrea where a good number of the migrants are from, showing that they are for the most part economic migrants not refugees whose lives are in immediate danger.

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  37. It is amazing what people sitting behind computers at office buildings with no actual real world experience think. Just put some troops in and in a few years a tribal place that has only been ruled by an iron fist will magically become Britain. They never consider that at some point you are going to get tired of having your people sitting ducks in a low intensity war for control of the place. The British got tired of Ireland and they at least had a historical reason to stay. We are lucky in that many in South Korea want us there so there is no violent resistance. But who is willing to keep troops in Libya forever?

  38. ” To take people’s country from them as Merkel and Blair have done is the most poisonously evil thing imaginable.”

    The British people seem to be fretting that their country has been taken away from poor Bangladeshi chefs and handed over to Polish immigrants. :-)

    “It seems rather perverse that a poor Polish immigrant can walk into this country and take up any vacancy…while a poor, skilled Bangladeshi chef is not able to do that”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/05/world/europe/britain-curry-house-shortage-chefs.html

    This, by the way, is the *Conservative* and *UKIP* critique against the EU. Britain wants to exit the EU to shield their Bangladeshi chefs from unfair competition by European hordes!

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  39. I can’t think of anything that’s even close to being as irreversible as demographic change. Maybe reducing a beautiful medieval city to rubble, but that is part of the founding mythos of the European project.

  40. As we see over and over, if immigrants don’t work out as hoped, it’s not only hard to boot them out of the country, but it’s even politically hard to muster the elite will merely to reduce the number of future immigrants, because the current ones might object to the implicit diss.

    Policy can always be changed, but people are permanent.

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  41. The West has simply gone batshit crazy on immigration….

    That’s just one of the things the West has gone “batshit crazy” over. The West cannot be long for this world.

    Some of the others include:

    Financialization, creating globally-parasitic institutions “To Big To Fail” (i.e., to kill the parasite is to kill the host).

    Civil rights, privileging minorities so that they no longer need to make any effort to fit into the majority society (for, if they did so need, that would be evidence of bigotry), while bringing about the incurable self-debasement of white Europeans, a situation in which all parties can only succeed by failing.

    Nationalism, leading to two World Wars and innumerable smaller conflicts and revolutions (If you don’t control the Nation State you don’t control your life; if you don’t control the neighboring Nation State you don’t control yours, ad infinitum).

    Welfare statism, bankrupting all these Nations one after the other.

    Celebrity, leading to the psychotic belief that if you aren’t famous (or notorious) you don’t actually exist.

    All of these, and others, are nothing but luxuries that only wealthy cultures can afford, and spoiled cultures demand. As most of them, while being narcotically popular (for being morally self-satisfying), and therefore irreversible, are unproductive, they will slowly bleed these cultures dry.

    The Golden Goose is eating and pooping itself to death.

    Sayonara.

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  42. For a white South African such as myself this is all so déjà vu. We always assumed the Americans and Europeans knew that they were screwing us, i.e. acting in bad faith. But now I’m beginning to think they really believed all the BS they unloaded on us. That we were the guinea pigs to see how this wonderful multicultural project, where whites are the minority, would work out. Somehow they forgot to register how the experiment turned out, before embarking on that same disastrous road. But then again, they never listened to us in the past, so why should they listen to us now. Since colonial times they always knew everything better.

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  43. Yeah, because DC was such a notorious Trump stronghold before yesterday. Could you kindly troll somewhere else?

  44. Tell that to the Anatolian Greeks.

  45. It is very easy to believe that all peoples are essentially the same when you don’t interact with them on a daily basis and notice common traits. It is also in NW European nature to think that when someone talks negatively of others, it is a character flaw of the speaker rather than experience.

    The tragedy is that leadership isolates a person, and that traitors such as Blair and Merkl do not get to personally experience the downside of what they bring, even after the evidence of the collossal mistakes begins mounting.

  46. Not to be mean and nasty, but I had no sympathy for Nadine Gordimer. Thankfully, she’s dead.

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    “Civil rights, privileging minorities so that they no longer need to make any effort to fit into the majority society…”

    This only applies to non-white minorities. In South Africa for instance, the white minority is not given any free passes, in fact it is actively being discriminated against. The government even encourages violence against it.

  48. [Assad blew up Syria with an assist from Putin and Iran, not NATO]

    You have managed to write a sentence in which every single word is wrong, except “Syria”.

  49. Bringing democracy to the benighted Muslims we’ve just bombed and forcibly regime-changed. That stuff *never* gets old!

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  50. “Williamson” is not a Jewish sounding name, so you won’t be seeing Sailer post this any time soon.

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  51. Talking about Australia, there was a gang fight in central Melbourne between Sudaneses and Pacific Islanders just yesterday.

  52. On one hand, it is nice that Germany now has a real, non-crazy anti immigration party.

    On the other, after letting in more than one million mostly Muslim young male immigrants over 18 months, the party getting 11% here and 20% there does not seem bode well for Germany:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/13/far-right-german-regional-elections-merkel-migrant-crisis/81725556/

    It looks like the situation there is still (1) left wing parties have an overall majority (2) the mainstream right party is still completely controlled by Merkel and open boarders people (3) even if the left parties fall into a minority, they mainstream right and left parties will still have a solid 60%+ majority and keep letting in immigrants,

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  53. A Sanders supporter has a meltdown over Trump. You’ve gotta watch it.

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  54. You forgot more crime and criminals, ergo more reason to pump up the budgets of the security industrial complex.

  55. That we were the guinea pigs to see how this wonderful multicultural project, where whites are the minority, would work out.

    South Carolina and Mississippi had white minorities for over a century. Minority status isn’t all that bad if you maintain control. (You don’t even have to work!)

    South Africans dug their own graves when they allowed black Africans to cross the line in the sand to come in and make their beds. The western Cape could have made a lovely lily-white country, but no, you had to throw it away.

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  56. [Gaddafi's] regime was chronically unstable despite delivering a massive welfare state.

    Gaddafi’s people have been chronically unstable. For centuries. You can’t fix Arab.

  57. Well, it is unfair of Donald to blame Bernie for what is almost certainly an underhanded move by Hillary.

    You can tell this girl’s parents were airheads. They named her Chelsea. I hope they spelled it right.

  58. The “Precautionary Principle”

    Where I come from, this is part of common sense.

    But I come from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…

    (Am I allowed to say this? Or will I be overrun by “protestors” and blamed for their violence?)

  59. : black population growth under Apartheid was not a function of immigration (the borders were tightly controlled by the military), but due to free health care, proper nutrition, clean water, missionary activity, law and order, and work opportunities, all provided by whites. Mass immigration only started once the ANC took over. Its main purpose was to provide cheap labor for the industries and mines who were benefactors of the ANC, and to render the whites politically irrelevant. South Africans “dug their own graves” by developing the black population. Of course since most whites were Christians, it was kinda the obvious and right thing to do. I have yet to find a pastor that can explain that contradiction to me.

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  60. Wait, you cut this off before the naked guy steps in and takes over…

  61. Dave Pinsen said, “Ross’s latest column suggests using party machinations to subvert the will of the voters. I’m wondering when an established pundit will take the leap and suggest scrapping democracy all together.”

    Tom Friedman already did in his column titled Why can’t we be more like China so we can get things done.

    Wassamatta? Did you let your NYT subscription lapse? How will you know what to think?

  62. Maybe you forgot 1999 and the Y2K hysteria. Morons were actually floating the idea that Clinton was going to declare martial law and make himself dictator (I even won a 20 buck bet from some true believer). They tried starting that up with Obama.

    Congress has ceded so much power to the President the thought of “dictatorial” powers is just loony and the the thought that he won’t leave when his term is up is even dumber.

  63. As though they wouldn’t use other transnational mechanisms against dissenting countries!

    If you can’t recognize a breach of national sovereignty, how can you claim to defend it?

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  64. That is not true — most of the rapefugees are from: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, sub-Saharan Africa, and Iraq. Very few are from Syria. Roughly 25% IIRC come from Syria, the rest are there from dysfunctional places to get free stuff. Most from Pakistan and Afghanistan IIRC takes the second spot.

    Pakistan has not been the subject of a NATO bombing campaign, and Afghanistan was a mess in Alexander’s time, and has remained a mess. Syria blew up not because NATO bombed it sporadically but because ISIS fought Assad and the Iranians — the battle lines are Turkey/ISIS/The Gulf monarchies vs. Russia/Assad/Iran. See also Yemen, and Libya was Khadaffi vs. Jihad. Even had the NATO countries left Khadaffi alone, you would at best get something like Syria.

    There is a HUGE case for active, and constant intervention by the West in close by Muslim nations to stop wars from dragging on and creating rapefugee flows, and preserve order where Muslims cannot. The way you’d have the police intervene if your neighbor ran a meth lab. Muslim peoples by and large cannot create anything approaching order and thus require European rule to prevent tidal waves of rapefugees.

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  65. “Assad blew up Syria with an assist from Putin and Iran, not NATO.”

    Assad had been fighting ISIS along the eastern border with Iraq, not blowing up Syria. In retrospect a reasonable thing, right? Hillary Clinton instead sought to destabilize Assad, and did, by bombing the western, stable part of the country. Putin and Iran were allies to Assad during his fight against ISIS. Turns out they were right and our neocons wrong, again.

  66. For a white South African such as myself this is all so déjà vu. We always assumed the Americans and Europeans knew that they were screwing us, i.e. acting in bad faith. But now I’m beginning to think they really believed all the BS they unloaded on us.

    Americans believed all the BS as you put it. I live in America and know this. Me and and a friend had running jokes and conversations about the out of control Winnie Mandela and her “soccer team” and what they did to young Stompie. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/04/world/winnie-mandela-s-ex-bodyguard-tells-of-killings-she-ordered.html

  67. There were state elections in three German states today. AfD made massive gains, at about 12,5% in Rheinland-Pfalz, at almost 15% in Baden-Württemberg (where I voted for them), and almost 25% in Sachsen-Anhalt (in the former GDR) where it’s the 2nd strongest party after the Christian Democrats. Elite reaction has been predictable, totally along antifa lines, i.e. above all we need to demonize and exclude the evil right-wingers. Probably won’t change much (though it will be difficult to form a government at least in Sachsen-Anhalt) in the near run…will be interesting how things work out until 2017.

  68. Maybe they know that the hoi polloi are too stupid to understand what is going

    No they know the hoi polloi know what is going on. They just thought with the control of the media and government they could forever shout down the “racists”.

  69. Assad blew up Syria with an assist from Putin and Iran, not NATO.

    Yeah Assad just should have let himself be Gaddafied by the CIA.

  70. Donald Trump is firmly in the mainstream of American historical policy. Strong military with limited intervention? Ike. Protectionist tariffs? Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, Lincoln through FDR. Affirmative Action? Nixon to Present. Medicare-Social Security? FDR to Present.

    The man spent his life in NYC being both a big time real estate developer and major celebrity who poked fun at himself. He is as mainstream as it gets. Nor can someone maintain public life in both spheres for over thirty years without his flaws and virtues being well known. Trump is pretty socially liberal and uncaring about much beyond law and order, nationalism, protectionism, and border control. That’s enough for me.

    He is not a True Con like Cruz, who also subscribes to BLM aka “Grovel Whitey before your masters.” He is favor of AA, which hurts me as a Straight White male, but the only candidate who has even a chance of limiting both H1 Bs and illegal/legal mass Third World immigration which hurts me more.

    Other than the border and tariffs Trump will be decidedly non revolutionary. That suits me just fine.

  71. The approach of “precautionary principle” vs “risk management” used to be hotly debated in various intelligent environmental circles of my acquaintance in the 1990s…but got dropped in favor of careerism as megamillionaire Dems took over grass roots environmentalism and became Big Green.

    But Steve’s point is a solid one. I point out that “risk management” is an approach much favored by most quants I ever knew, in their aspietastic removal from what most people experience in daily life, and their occupying echo chambers. They are basically Pythagorean priests who think that all of life can be reduced to the perfection of numbers.

    At least since the year that a Rothschild took over The Progressive magazine, we have been in the era of UniParty interests pretending to be D versus R. That same Rothschild–Matthew–now heads somethng called the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

    http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/jessie-opoien/former-progressive-editor-matt-rothschild-to-head-wisconsin-democracy-campaign/article_b7bce43a-079d-5ac7-88be-8cc678a0795b.html

    The elite left washes its big money through astroturf NGO.

    http://mediatrackers.org/wisconsin/2015/04/15/wis-media-stop-treating-matt-rothschild-impartial

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Matthew_Rothschild

    I’ll note to anyone who digs that this is not the same Matthew Rothschild who wrote the Poor Little Rich Boy chronicle:

    Dumbfounded: Big Money. Big Hair. Big Problems. Or Why Having It All Isn’t for Sissies.

    http://www.amazon.com/Dumbfounded-Money-Problems-Having-Sissies/dp/0307405435/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457897597&sr=8-1&keywords=dumbfounded

  72. Assuming the SCOTUS doesn’t get involved.

  73. “Bringing democracy to the benighted Muslims we’ve just bombed and forcibly regime-changed. That stuff *never* gets old!”

    Exactly. Just how many Hellfire missiles do we have to launch at these people before they come to love us? How many bulldyke, effeminate homosexual, tranny, and/or tattooed soldiers do we have to send over there to police them before they come to recognize our civilization as superior? What’s wrong with these people?

  74. OT OT OT OT When tariff worlds collide or mashup according to contemporary colloquialism

    Heavily pregnant Ivanka Trump, 34, takes weekend stroll through Central Park before attending Broadway show Hamilton in semi-sheer dress and high heels as she’s due to give birth any day now

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3490090/Heavily-pregnant-Ivanka-Trump-spotted-leaving-Broadway-husband-s-expected-birth-day-now.html

    Ivanka was spotted leaving a Broadway show with husband Jared Kushner
    Couple also took a stroll with their children in Central Park yesterday
    The 34-year-old is expecting her third child and is due to give birth any day
    Ivanka has been very active during her pregnancy and a constant presence on her father’s Donald Trump’s campaign
    She took a central role in lead-up to Nevada caucus, appearing in a campaign video where she urged voters to take part

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  75. It’s a curious case of doublespeak. Many leftists claim that obama’s debt creation has little negative affect because we occupy the position of the world’s largest economy and creator of the world’s reserve currency.

    However, that special status is never applied to economic nationalism. They seem to think we are somehow unable to exact economic privilege for our manufacturers and our goods by using our unique place in the world. It’s quite bizarre.

  76. Why is nationalism on that list? There was a severe problem with out-of-control nationalism in 1930s Germany, but that is long gone. No western nation is threatened by the nationalism of another nation. In fact we need some sense of nationalism to return if our societies are to avoid further degradation.

    As James Goldsmith put it in the 1990s:

    Indeed, nations need new blood and new ideas. But they can only absorb a limited amount at a time. They cannot allow themselves to be overwhelmed by immigration otherwise they will lose their identity and cease to be nations. Newcomers who are welcomed into a nation should want to honour and respect the customs of their new home. They must not step on shore or over the border and reject the national culture. If they do, the inevitable results are hostility, intolerance and conflict.

    I’ve been re-reading some of Goldsmith’s stuff (and watching his interview with Charlie Rose on YouTube). Truly a Cassandra whose wisdom could not get the attention it deserved at the time. He had it right on trade, financialization, immigration — pretty much all the points you mentioned.

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  77. Yes, the good thinkers in the international community would have been thrilled with a conspicuous white enclave on the tip of black Africa, I’m sure. After all, the White Australia policy is still going strong. What could have gone wrong?

  78. The Bangladeshi chef shortage is a racket.

    Curry houses in the UK survive on imported cheap labour (or would like to) because they cannot adapt to changing fashions, with Bangladeshis unwilling and unable to work with rival ethnic groups.

    Very few people in the UK would prefer Bangladeshis to Poles – that is not the point. Leaving the EU is necessary to retake full control (including human rights checks) of the borders.

    Bangladeshis at home are so desperate some pretend to be Rohingya refugees to get away from their own super-high birth rate country.

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  79. Enoch Powell said something close to this. A Hippocratic Oath for politicians. That first (principle) they should do no harm.

    ‘The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.’

    Enoch Powell’s quote but my thoughts exactly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve thought about this as of late. You can amend, repeal or pass laws, but not people.

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  80. I enjoyed the one about how her friendship with Chelsea Clinton was now on the rocks.

  81. That was basically my opinion–I doubt we could have built the country up without immigration from Italian and Irish immigrants, for example. But you have these nativist periods of reaction afterward which shut off immigration and let new arrivals assimilate.

    It’s like saying food is good, so you should eat as much every time you have the opportunity. (Though a country can survive without immigration–look at Japan.)

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  82. ‘The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.’
    Enoch Powell’s quote but my thoughts exactly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve thought about this as of late. You can amend, repeal or pass laws, but not people.

    My utmost gratitude. You are a mind reader! I sadly forgot the key words for a decent search to retrieve this quote.

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  83. But what is it about cuisine that we have to go on importing more of those people? Is there some arcane skill involved in making curries, akin to turning lead into gold? We think nothing of the fact that non-whites can make cars, nuclear power stations, computer chips, etc. that were invented by whites. But when it comes to turning out a curry or a kebab, there’s no way we could possibly learn it from them? The problem, I suspect, is that Asians have a hold on that part of the catering industry, and keep costs low by constantly replenishing their staff with fresh imports of cheap labour from the sub-continent (many illegal, driving costs further down). Native white restaurateurs would find it hard to compete with that.

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  84. That’s Colbert warmed over.

    They’re the detritus of the Babe Drain that has been going on for thirty years. The Colberts and Williamsons have now followed the Babes to the bright lights and big city. They will ultimately find no more real satisfaction there than their sisters did before them, willing to bad mouth their hometowns to anyone who will listen, and others besides.

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  85. “Trump just got destroyed in DC and Wyoming. Looks like the protests in Chicago revealed his weakness”

    Losing Washington DC should be a badge of honor for any Right Wing person running for POTUS. It is an extremely corrupt Left Wing city that only elects Democrats as mayors. This is the same city that voted for crackhead Marion Barry not only once, not twice, not three times, but four times.

    Washington DC’s Black voters must be extremely ghetto for wanting a crackhead to be their leader.

  86. when n immigration fro Africa to Europe would be allowed Europeans really couldn´t care less about what is happening in Libya. Actually the mediterranen sea is a really good natural barrier, it should be used.

  87. in semi-sheer dress and high heels as she’s due to give birth any day now

    I like this as though she is irresponsible to the health of the unborn child. The only problem is she is not in a sheer dress or high heels.

  88. I doubt we could have built the country up without immigration from Italian and Irish immigrants,

    There is a time and a place for everything. There used to be rooms full of people using adding machines to make hand calculations for the financial related jobs, these people were called computers. In factories, there were row after row of journeymen machinists all making the same part for the assembly lines.

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  89. “Williamson” is not a Jewish sounding name, so you won’t be seeing Sailer post this any time soon.”

    Kevin Williamson is an evil Goy who wants blue collar Whites to die and is a Little Marco supporter. He also said in the past that he supports The Gang Of 8 Amnesty Bill and thought it was a good idea to murder Saddam Hussein even though he had nothing to do with 9/11.

    With Kevin Williamson saying blue collar Whites need to die, he sounds more like Louis Farrakhan than a Conservative.

    Not even Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have said blue collar Whites need to die, so this Republican Kevin Williamson is to the Left of Bernie and Hillary in his hatred of Whitey.

    With Republican “friends” like Kevin Williamson, who needs Democratic enemies.

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  90. You are most welcome – I keep this quote handy. I think we may find it more & more useful.

  91. Yes. Large numbers of unskilled workers don’t fit well into an economy with declining employment and increased automation.

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  92. “With Kevin Williamson saying blue collar Whites need to die”

    He didn’t say blue collar whites need to die, he said blue collar white communities need to die (i.e., the residents leave for more economically prospering places).

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  93. Neither, increasingly, do skilled ones. Automation isn’t just coming for the uneducated. Witness the NYT article a couple of weeks back about analytics software and its potential to replace Goldman Sachs research/analyst types. Few of us indeed are future proof.

  94. Where you going to go when the biggest asset you have isn’t worth anything?

  95. Thanks for the link to the Goldsmith interview. That was an eerie interview because I realize that I’ve reinvented the wheel with respect to many of my arguments. I’m watching him arguing with Rose and making the very same points I make.

    I’m going to be dropping that link in future comments. It’s simply fantastic. I suspect that if Goldsmith were alive today, he’d be supporting Trump.

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  96. keep costs low by constantly replenishing their staff with fresh imports of cheap labour … (many illegal, driving costs further down).

    This is the situation with NYC restaurants–staffed with prep-cooks, dishwashers, porters, busboys all from Mexico/Central America. The restaurateurs shudder in fright at the idea that illegal immigrant labor might be shut-off.

  97. OT: Some good news:

    The Math Revolution: The number of American teens who excel at advanced math has surged. Why?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/03/the-math-revolution/426855/

  98. I have posted the links to Goldsmith’s Charlie Rose interview many times. Keep posting it. Hopefully, eventually, a few hundred will see it.

    That is the problem- it’s not that common sense and wisdom isn’t out there- it’s getting people to watch it and think and vote accordingly. I don’t see how it can be done by the average Joe.

    Which is why Trump is our best hope. He can get the media attention that we cannot. He’s not perfect, by any means, but he’s the best we’ve got, and are likely to get, for quite a while. If he loses, it’s time to leave, or settle in for the coming civil/race war.

  99. Nothing to 10+% in an election cycle is a respectabe shot across the bow.

  100. That’s our host, ol’ “Stormfront Steve”!

    Throw out the argument “Steve Sailer picks on the Jews” and see what laughter you get in response. Our host is fair, more than fair, bending over backwards to be fair, on what some people call the JQ.

    If you think our host singles out Jews for condemnation, either a) you’re an operative looking to make a point regardless of the truth of the situation, b) too short for this ride, or, in the most charitable of assumptions, c) just new here and still disoriented.

    Yo, Svigor! Can I get an amen from the choir?

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  101. You’re more than welcome. If you haven’t found it already, there is an excellent website at http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com. Check it out — the material on Europe and free trade reads like it was written yesterday. He’s been discussed on Steve’s site before. I believe Steve referred to him as “looking like a James Bond villain”, which detracted from the strength of his arguments. That didn’t bother me at the time, rather what bothered me then was his environmentalism, something I am allergic to from living in the Vancouver area for a long time. Cheers.

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  102. If they ever make an airplane 3, they should cast that girl as Elaine. She would probably do better in this scene though, or similar activities.

  103. Well bless her heart.

  104. Step up your game. This kind of trolling might suffice in the LA (or Slim!) Times, but you’re going to be so fisked and eviscerated here, it’ll take a week before you even feel the cuts. No, seriously: go peddle your dumb somewhere else. Assad blew up Syria? Bro, you can make that argument, but just to flop it out there, like the last order of french fries before the fry chef goes home, ain’t gonna cut it here.

    Develop your argument. Use wit to make your point. Cite sources. You know. Argue.

  105. It will be interesting to see what takes root once PC is gone. From a base of support in the two main Eurosphere power bases, Europe and the USA, it will be different to how it was in the late 20th century. What follows PC may not be as kind and gentle as Christianity. Then again, Trump is basically a citizenist, so who knows.

  106. I’ll take this opportunity to keep this Goldsmith topic alive for one more comment because I think most of us, including Steve, should watch that interview. It’s a goldmine of topical issues, believe it or not, a 20 year old interview being topical.

    So for all those who didn’t click the link when CJ posted it, here is is again.

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    “Hitler will be resurrected and the 4th Reich will plunge the world into eternal night!!!”

    “If only everyone could be like the Scandinavians, this would all be easy.”

    President Barack Obama, Human BioDiversity believer.

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  108. Trump is the man of the people, because it has the personality and the kind of cognition that prevails among the working classes. He is smart trickster, male, bouffant, the street-smart, using its instinct, plus the great luck to inherit a fortune, to perform his worldly / materialistic dreams that much of the proletariat has.

  109. Obama’s interview in the Atlantic reads like one long confession that he should have paid more attention paleocon views of the world.

  110. Sayonara.

    So can we all expect that you have moved to Oregon to take advantage of assisted suicide?

    Because the rest of us are still fighting for the true, the good and the beautiful. And if you are too weak-minded to help, get out of the way. And keep your idiotic defeatism to yourself.

  111. I cannot speak for Svigor, but I’ll chime in with my affirmation of your claims.

    Amen!

  112. […] The “Precautionary Principle” and Immigration Policy, by Steve Sailer. Widely quoted, especially with regard to global warming, the precautionary principle is virtually never brought up in the West in regard to immigration and refugee policies. […]

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    Yeah Mark, but we’ve never seen anything like Trump before.

    It’s funny that the only other respinse I got was from the autistic untermentch named Whiskey who is the guy who dirtied these boards (and many others) with his insnane conspiracy theories along the lines that you’ve mentioned.

    I won’t read that pipsqueak’s remarks because I despise the fact that he’s been taught the art of writing. He should be sitting in a room somewhere counting prime numbers and not pretending to be human.

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    Bangladeshis living in Britain have the highest level of unemployment out of any ethnic group.
    It’s an absurd level of unemployment – most adult Bangladeshis in Britain do not work.

    This whole ‘curry chef shortage’ crisis is merely a lie cooked up to con gullible politicians – of whom there are an infinity.

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    One problem with your thesis.

    In the very near future, there simply won’t be anything like the number of fit, strong, healthy young white males available in the entire western world to fight these endless wars.

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    More Asians?

  117. Steve,

    The question is whether the malady that killed/is killing those communities is a local one specific to their own pathologies or something more general.

    The balance sheet (he suggests letting them die since they represent a negative asset) of the nation as a whole would suggest the latter, and that therefore Williamson has at least not thought the matter fully through.

  118. That video of (((Goldsmith))) is really good. Thanks for posting. From what I can see from this video, a great guy. Credit with the parentheses where it is due.

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  119. This is of course nothing new, it’s Dreiser’s American Tragedy.

    It’s just been ramped up these last twenty years by the fiat currency boom.

  120. Damn right it’s a good video. For all who have twitter, see if you can get that video into the Trump-0-sphere. We need to get those topics into broader discussion and broader debate.

    Here’s the video again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwmOkaKh3-s

  121. I think it’s appalling that the inmates of a mental institution would be allowed unrestricted/unsupervised access to the internet .

  122. Investigate the electoral results of the GOP caucus states versus primary states before making broad statements. Hint: who votes in party caucuses?

  123. I’m always amused by the cognitive dissonance of your average SWPL when it comes to ethnic cuisine. They trumpet the excellence of a Third World ethnic restaurant because the people making the food are from that particular country, so obviously the food is “the real thing”. Juxtapose with any sort of Euro-cuisine place they frequent, like the Neapolitan-style pizza restaurants popping up all over the place, owned by an Italian but with kitchens staffed entirely by Mexicans.

    The best Mexican food I’ve ever tasted was prepared by a white guy from Oklahoma.

  124. […] of precautions, Steve Sailer, over at Unz Review link, writes: The “Precautionary Principle” and Immigration Policy STEVE SAILER The […]

  125. […] not apply the EU precautionary principle to immigration policy rather than risk doing difficult-to-reverse harm to our countries if the diversity-mongers’ […]

  126. […] not apply the EU precautionary principle to immigration policyrather than risk doing difficult-to-reverse harm to our countries if the diversity-mongers’ […]

  127. […] not apply the EU precautionary principle to immigration policy rather than risk doing difficult-to-reverse harm to our countries if the diversity-mongers’ […]

  128. […] not apply the EU precautionary principle to immigration policy rather than risk doing difficult-to-reverse harm to our countries if the diversity-mongers’ […]

  129. […] not apply the EU precautionary principle to immigration policy rather than risk doing difficult-to-reverse harm to our countries if the diversity-mongers’ […]

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