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The SJWs are up in arms about a New York Times article, another one of those profiles of alt right obscurities.

In America’s Heartland, a Voice of Hate Among ‘Normies’

By RICHARD FAUSSET NOV. 25, 2017

Why the outrage against the NYT? Because the poor NYT reporter got so badly out-pointed in debate with his subject that he had to write a second article of defeat and contrition:

I Interviewed a White Nationalist and Fascist. What Was I Left With?

By RICHARD FAUSSET NOV. 25, 2017

Anyway, the subject, Tony Hovater, is a heavy metal drummer and, I find, has put his own views on the Internet. So, what is his real motivation?

It turns out, he despises the ongoing SJWization of heavy metal.

Is Pantera a Latin Term for “Big Pussy?”

Tony Hovater
February 16, 2016

Before my current career choice of social media villain and voice of reason in a reactionary political movement, I was in a fairly popular metal band touring the country. During my time on the road I got a taste of what the next generation of musicians were like. It didn’t leave me with much hope.

Like most heavier bands–I use the term heavy loosely in this situation–we weren’t politically correct in our marketing and didn’t really worry about it. Whats the point of creating art of any kind if all you intend to do is conform to the larger societal narrative? We released a shirt with the word “bitch” prominently featured on it and altpress.com decided that this was somehow news worthy. The comments section was a virtue signaling fest for the ages.

My favorite comment was, “Poor taste is fine. Swears are fine. But when you’re putting sexist/misogynistic/racist/slut shaming shit on a shirt, that’s crossing the line. Repulsive!” Whats worse was that these weren’t the rantings of an impressionable teenage girl. This was a 20 something “nu” man. Picture pajama boy, with a lesbian haircut and an ironic mustache. The slimy, flabby, ironically tattooed tentacle of social justice has reached critical mass.

SJWs are finally starting to break into the mainstream of metal. They’ve had a stranglehold on nearly every other form of media for the better part of three decades now. But metal? I thought it was impervious. Angry, bearded men writing songs about dragons and battles should be a bulwark against these type of freaks, right?

I was wrong. It turns out they were drawn to it. Listening to metal became a weird ‘geek chic’ thing for younger kids. The only problem is that modern geek culture has very little to do with anything geeky and everything to do with some of our favorite topics: anti-racism, inclusion, and diversity.

As predicted they made minor changes to the culture at first. Then before you even knew what was happening you had articles on major music websites about the genre being “musical racism” and “inherently sexist”. These people are the Maoist Red Guard come again, only this time… really, really lame

So it’s rather like a cross between GamerGate and Taylor Swift’s Silence.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Would have done better with a little Julee Cruise.

    Cruise, with her big head of platinum blond hair and triangular face, had this “alien MM” thing going on.

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  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?

    I doubt it helps young men do better with women to be an SJW. My guess is the motivation is money — maybe not big money, but whatever clickbait boiler rooms like Buzzfeed pay. If you want to produce some clippings to get a paying job as a culture writer, your clippings need to show some SJW bonafides.

    If that’s the case, this seems like an area where a little money could go a long way culturally, if, say, a Ron Unz or a Peter Thiel or the Mercers were interested. You wouldn’t need to pay that many people, just enough to motivate the bottom of the pyramid to eschew SJW-ism.

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    • Replies: @Wick
    How much money is there to be made though?

    Vox Day seems to argue that none of this provides money long term, at least for the corporations and if you're a White male I doubt its easy to get in on the diversity speech racket.

    On a personal level, it would be interesting to see how many of the SJW men are the products of broken homes vs those who are the product of reasonably solvent middle/ upper class families who can subsidise such an approach to life. I would imagine there would be a divide between the two in terms of true believers and those who are there because it benefits them, with the later able to tank the losses.

    In terms of woman, based on my observations from having recently finished at a tertiary institute, the guys who did well were as you would expect, blokes who acted and behaved like men. In contrast those in the left wing crowd who I was familiar with enjoyed what were essentially flings. Even there however the guys who were benefiting there weren't the SJWs they were the guys who still acted like men, or failing that had exotic appeal (i.e they were Europeans). The SJWs tended to be on the outside looking in in these cases.
    , @Anon7
    The big motivator is that you can't get a job without displaying this attitude. Any company big enough to give a reliable paycheck and benefits is a nice, fat target for SJW lawsuits; you'd better believe they toe the line.

    Sure, I'll bet there are companies in the Midwest where you wouldn't be fired if you revealed that you voted for Donald Trump. Elsewhere, however, the mainstream television, web and print media blitz is incredibly effective; anyone who fails to denounce Trump instantly and completely is a moron and a bigot, and no company can afford to have someone like that in their workforce.

    I live in a university town, and I feel like a supporter of the Allies who lived in a Nazi-occupied town in Europe in WWII. I wouldn't be shot (yet), but my wife and I would be shunned by everyone. You have no idea.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?
     
    There is an answer to that, but I don't think many people will believe me when I say it.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis. There is no way to say anything about biology without adverting to the paradigm. And this, not because it is a powerful explanatory mechanism or because it is enforced by a scientific orthodoxy, but because the mind of man does not really desire otherwise. Having arrived at a means of arranging their data and styling their utterances, no one even thinks to question the template. It is baked into the act of thinking as the will to think becomes "the will to think according to program."

    SJWism is the template of all contemporary social commentary. It doesn't mater what the commentary is actually about. Whether you're writing about heavy metal, or about sanitation at a New England dairy farm, or about maritime law in the Lesser Antilles, the result is the same: the mere act of writing results in the template appearing fully formed in the final product, consciously or not.

    This is something governed by the spirit of the times and is not a result simply of the educational establishment or the media propounding political correctness. Consequently it cannot be changed by renewing those institutions. The institutions exist only for the sake of the paradigm, and the paradigm exists because it answers to the psychological need of people to compartmentalize the terrors of life while making themselves out to be competent, authoritative, and concerned, which are the vital and necessary masks of any gregarious creature.

    For the stark truth of the matter is this: SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.
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  3. Daniel H says:

    I am not much into Metal but I love the Metal crowds. Out here in Vegas we have a Metal rock club (Count’s Vamp’d). About 2/3 of their fare is Metal. I just like mixing with the crowd because they give off good vibes: sanity, intelligence, humour, success, don’t-suffer-fools, and more. And conversing and socializing with them reinforces my impression. These are not SJW people. They just go about their lives and call bullshit when they see it. There are still redoubts of resistance. SJWs will give up on assaulting Metal, it’s impossible to make Metal ironic.

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    The dude says he loves Seinfeld. (I love Seinfeld. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every episode at least twice.) How does a “Nazi” love Seinfeld? On any reasonable use of the term “Nazi”, shouldn’t a “Nazi” hate Seinfeld and demand that he be executed? Doesn’t any insinuation that anyone is a “Nazi” convey the insinuation that the “Nazi” thinks that all “Jews” should be immediately executed? Of course it does. That is why the term “Nazi” carries such power. But all of this is false.

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    • Replies: @Ganderson
    Only twice?
    , @biz

    How does a “Nazi” love Seinfeld?
     
    Because modern day white nationalism and neo-Nazism is a mass of ridiculous and stupid contradictions. Whether it's people of full or partial Slavic ancestry admiring Hitler, the spectacle of stupid anti-Semites worshiping philo-Semitic Confederate aristocrats, the schizophrenia about whether Christianity is the one true religion or a distraction for pathetic cucks, the most prominent public face at the moment being someone who is obviously a closeted or not-so-closeted homosexual, or the fact that the Aryan Brotherhood is led by a guy named Silverstein, a Nazi liking Seinfeld is the least of their problems.
    , @Cucksworth
    this is after years and years of not being allowed to call anyone a nazi, and now the jewish media has unleashed its force to control public opinion.

    In 2013, Keith Oberman was pissed at someone for saying 'nazi' on twitter, now he will call any sane person who wants to end illegal immigration an EBIL NAZEE.
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  5. I’m a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It’s an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they’d go after metal cause it’s so white, but it hasn’t been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

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    South America has a lot of white people, and a disproportionate number of them like metal.
    , @reiner Tor
    Phil Anselmo was attacked severely for his “white supremacist” remarks. I’ve found a metal blog which was critiquing a Pantera album and they casually mentioned Anselmo’s “racism” (along with the band’s usage of the Confederate symbols of hate) as one of the biggest minuses of the band. The majority of the comments were divided if racism totally disqualified the band or if one could occasionally listen to it despite the “racism”. Only a few comments called out the nonsense. (Oh and there were a few comments with “this is not real metal, the same type of people - jocks - listened to it as those who beat me up for listening to metal”.)
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Iron Maiden was the very first band I ever saw live. They were the opening band to play at the "Day on the Green" stadium concert at Oakland Stadium. I was there mainly to see Foreigner. This was 1982. The other acts were: the Scorpions, Loverboy and the headliner Foreigner. Ironically, the quality of performances were in exact reverse order of appearance. For the record, a song like Run for the Hills is a little-too SJW-y for my tastes, though it does rock. Also, I'm pretty sure Bruce Dickinson is a lefty anyway.
    , @Anon
    SJW material entering metal is part of an attempt to attack white culture. It should be rooted out completely. Actually, your average SJWer can't listen to metal at all. Anything stronger than Will Oldham frays their delicate nerves and freaks them out.
    , @Anon87
    Agree. After years of listening to metal and lyrics of the most hateful, gory, violent variety, I find it strange the amount of PC I read in magazines and online now. It's hipster AVClub-like reviews finding everything "problematic". It's metal! How can anyone be shocked, shocked when the content is young male focused and ends up being offensive?
    , @Anon87
    For an example, check out Power Trip calling out Gavin's "Proud Boys".
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  6. Wick says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    What's the motivation behind the SJWization?

    I doubt it helps young men do better with women to be an SJW. My guess is the motivation is money -- maybe not big money, but whatever clickbait boiler rooms like Buzzfeed pay. If you want to produce some clippings to get a paying job as a culture writer, your clippings need to show some SJW bonafides.

    If that's the case, this seems like an area where a little money could go a long way culturally, if, say, a Ron Unz or a Peter Thiel or the Mercers were interested. You wouldn't need to pay that many people, just enough to motivate the bottom of the pyramid to eschew SJW-ism.

    How much money is there to be made though?

    Vox Day seems to argue that none of this provides money long term, at least for the corporations and if you’re a White male I doubt its easy to get in on the diversity speech racket.

    On a personal level, it would be interesting to see how many of the SJW men are the products of broken homes vs those who are the product of reasonably solvent middle/ upper class families who can subsidise such an approach to life. I would imagine there would be a divide between the two in terms of true believers and those who are there because it benefits them, with the later able to tank the losses.

    In terms of woman, based on my observations from having recently finished at a tertiary institute, the guys who did well were as you would expect, blokes who acted and behaved like men. In contrast those in the left wing crowd who I was familiar with enjoyed what were essentially flings. Even there however the guys who were benefiting there weren’t the SJWs they were the guys who still acted like men, or failing that had exotic appeal (i.e they were Europeans). The SJWs tended to be on the outside looking in in these cases.

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    I've noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other. These relationship problems make liberals try to convert the state into their substitute parents/spouse. You note that single mothers are the classic case of trying to make the state into their provider because their worthless boyfriends ran off or refuse to get a job.

    It's useful when you meet a liberal to ask them about their family. Make pointed remarks about what their ulterior motive is. A lot of liberals are blind to their own psychological problems, and the fact that these problems drive their political choices.

    Ultimately, it's quite plain that if you want liberalism to die, we need to make it harder to get a divorce, or create more penalties for divorce. No-fault divorce was a bad idea, and should only be allowed in cases in which there are no children.
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  7. Oh man, some great choice quotes from these NYT articles.

    an editor at The Times told me he felt like the question had not been sufficiently addressed. So I went back to Mr. Hovater in search of answers. I still don’t think I really found them. I could feel the failure even as Mr. Hovater and I spoke on the phone, adding to what had already been hours of face-to-face conversation in and around his hometown New Carlisle, Ohio.

    Read: Editor said I needed to portray Mr. Hovater as an evil Nazi, racist villain, but even with maximum spin I couldn’t do it without lying.

    Reminds me of that one Soviet joke, with the punchline: “The KGB goes [into the forest to find a rabbit]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: ‘Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!’”

    I was thinking about an album I grew up with by the Minutemen, the Southern California punk group, and its brilliantly koanic title: “What Makes a Man Start Fires?”

    1. That’s not even close to being a koan and 2. That’s an empirical question. The author even ends his article with that question, “What makes a man start fires?” I mean, taken either metaphorically or literally, that’s not an unanswerable question—but they’re not really looking for answers here, so much as a narrative to push.

    Sometimes a soul, and its shape, remain obscure to both writer and reader.

    Read: I give up, I couldn’t do it, please don’t crucify me.

    Well, Steve, you’re a professional writer; does his mea culpa resonate at all, or is it a tacit admission he couldn’t satisfy editors with an agenda?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The drummer is highly articulate and has lots of opinions on what motivates him, so it's not that impossible a reportorial task to, you know, look up the subject's lengthy essays on the Internet.
    , @Whoever
    https://i.imgur.com/wIs4NfC.jpg
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  8. @al-Gharaniq
    Oh man, some great choice quotes from these NYT articles.

    an editor at The Times told me he felt like the question had not been sufficiently addressed. So I went back to Mr. Hovater in search of answers. I still don’t think I really found them. I could feel the failure even as Mr. Hovater and I spoke on the phone, adding to what had already been hours of face-to-face conversation in and around his hometown New Carlisle, Ohio.
     
    Read: Editor said I needed to portray Mr. Hovater as an evil Nazi, racist villain, but even with maximum spin I couldn't do it without lying.

    Reminds me of that one Soviet joke, with the punchline: "The KGB goes [into the forest to find a rabbit]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: 'Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!'"

    I was thinking about an album I grew up with by the Minutemen, the Southern California punk group, and its brilliantly koanic title: “What Makes a Man Start Fires?”
     
    1. That's not even close to being a koan and 2. That's an empirical question. The author even ends his article with that question, "What makes a man start fires?" I mean, taken either metaphorically or literally, that's not an unanswerable question—but they're not really looking for answers here, so much as a narrative to push.

    Sometimes a soul, and its shape, remain obscure to both writer and reader.
     
    Read: I give up, I couldn't do it, please don't crucify me.

    Well, Steve, you're a professional writer; does his mea culpa resonate at all, or is it a tacit admission he couldn't satisfy editors with an agenda?

    The drummer is highly articulate and has lots of opinions on what motivates him, so it’s not that impossible a reportorial task to, you know, look up the subject’s lengthy essays on the Internet.

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  9. Lurker says:

    Soviet joke, with the punchline: “The KGB goes [into the forest to find a rabbit]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: ‘Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!’”

    I get the joke but wouldn’t the joke work better still as: “The KGB goes [into the forest to find a bear]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten rabbit. The rabbit is yelling: ‘Okay! Okay! I’m a bear! I’m a bear!’”

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    Yes.
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  10. AndrewR says:
    @Jean Ralphio
    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    South America has a lot of white people, and a disproportionate number of them like metal.

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    Indians and Mestizos seem to like metal in large numbers, too.
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  11. South America has a lot of white people, and a disproportionate number of them like metal.

    The president of Indonesia is a metal head, apparently.

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/497469/heavy-metal-loving-governor-tipped-for-indonesian-presidency

    Incidentally, he looks vaguely like Obama.

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  12. TheBoom says:

    An ex NYT entertainment reporter wrote on an entertainment website that senior editors at the NY Times came up with their narratives a year ahead of time. Then reporters were charged with figuring out narratives they would cover that fit the higher narrative. Top down reporting.

    Seems like there was a disconnect here and the reporter couldn’t find the narrative that fit the bigger narrative that Trump and Taylor Swift are creating a climate of hate that will cause, unless stopped by a Clinton, Jews to be sent back to camps.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Cite please?
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  13. TheBoom says:

    Steve, re your tweet about 1970s punk bands and Nazi crap – do you remember any mania from the Jews about that? I don’t but pre-Internet it was harder (fortunately) for me to keep up with all this nonsense. It seems like in the 70s people knew that punks were just playing punks.

    Post Trump and Taylor Swift, Jews seem to be genuinely worried they will go back to the ovens.

    On a side note: Could Taylor Swift’s silence on Nazis, white supremacy and economic nationalism be what normalized Trump? She is being treated as a side event. What if she is the root cause and sexism is what is keeping the left from realizing it? Could Trump have won if Swift had songs rallying white women against toxic masculinity and white privilege? After all, it isn’t like the media or actresses talk about that stuff.

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    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    , @El Dato

    Could Taylor Swift’s silence on Nazis, white supremacy and economic nationalism be what normalized Trump?
     
    Taylor Swift is basically the Lady In Red from the Matrix. Once you move your eyes off her, she turns into an Agent Smith and fires a nazi bullet right between your eyes. Using an Israeli Deagle brand Deagle. She's the Great Normalizer.
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  14. @TheBoom
    Steve, re your tweet about 1970s punk bands and Nazi crap - do you remember any mania from the Jews about that? I don't but pre-Internet it was harder (fortunately) for me to keep up with all this nonsense. It seems like in the 70s people knew that punks were just playing punks.

    Post Trump and Taylor Swift, Jews seem to be genuinely worried they will go back to the ovens.

    On a side note: Could Taylor Swift's silence on Nazis, white supremacy and economic nationalism be what normalized Trump? She is being treated as a side event. What if she is the root cause and sexism is what is keeping the left from realizing it? Could Trump have won if Swift had songs rallying white women against toxic masculinity and white privilege? After all, it isn't like the media or actresses talk about that stuff.

    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol’s manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer’s influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics …)

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    Obama's Indonesian step-uncles and aunts tended to believe little Barry Soetoro might be Indonesian because as they moved about the various island due to their dad's job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking.

    Nobody in the family seemed to want to advance the alternative theory.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer’s influence grew.

    Israel by Siouxsie and the Banshees was interpreted by some as a critique of Zionism. The band also flirted with Nazi imagery as part of the "no sacred cows" (post)punk ethos, and got pushback for it. Still, the song was a modest hit, and the band itself enjoyed mainstream success. Even though the band's visuals and songs like Israel were characteristically opaque, they could never make it to the mainstream airwaves today, much less without furious accusations.

    Siouxsie's explanation about the song: No it's not about religion as such, it’s more general. A disillusioned person, or whole race who’ve ceased to understand or believe in what they held to be the truth. It tries to put across, you shouldn’t cover what you feel inside by teaching or attitudes imposed on you. It emphasises the strength of the individual.

    A timely message about resisting conformity.

    , @the one they call Desanex
    Before punk rock, The Blue Oyster Cult liked to pretend to be Nazis, even though singer Eric Bloom was Jewish, and so were producers Sandy Pearlman and Murray Krugman. Their hooked-cross symbol was vaguely suggestive of a swastika,
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7Owuu7WWqTg/TfZhAf-RU1I/AAAAAAAAWpw/fXKBGfoXWW0/s1600/blue_oyster_cult_logo4.jpg
    and their song “Me 262” was a tribute to the Nazi jet aircraft. Here’s the magazine ad for their Secret Treaties album:
    http://40.media.tumblr.com/6beaa987b985e4675599010b80a682e8/tumblr_mmnbkpBT8c1s3w3ano1_1280.jpg
    , @Verymuchalive

    (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics …)
     
    You seemed to have gone off Mr Mellor since last you mentioned him. Any particular reason why ?
    He was obviously very much of his time and place. The Upper Middle Class English ( though half-Scots, like Malcolm MacLaren ) Public Schoolboy who jumped on the punk bandwagon and found a job for life.
    But I find it hard to believe he really was despicable, like Bob Geldof, Ian Dury or Tam Paton.
    , @Anon
    There were some Jews in punk, but there were a heck of a lot of punk bands, and those guys were mostly non-Jewish middle-American or British. Some of the very best bands that came out of punk rock like Husker Du or the Replacements have non-Jewish backgrounds. I've looked up the genealogy of guys like Bob Mould, Grant Hart, and Paul Westerberg, and they're mainly Germanic (in Westerberg's case Swedish) crossed with Anglo-Saxon. J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr is half-Italian, half-Irish.

    Frankly, the best music that came out of the punk rock movement wasn't created by Jews, but was made by people coming from old European ethnicities with a 'high-craft' tradition in music. There are also a lot of well-known metal artists with Eastern European ethnic ancestry who come from the same areas of Europe that have traditionally produced a ton of classical musicians and conductors.

    What I did glean about the background of your average punk rocker is that they had a disproportionate amount of fathers who had been in the military. I suspect high testosterone running in the family makes men more likely to join the military, but also makes them more likely to become punk rockers if they happen to like music.

    , @Abe

    Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery,
     
    Jimmy Page dressed in SS officer getup during Led Zeppelin's '75 (or else it was '77) tour. There was a lot of sleaze-driven, BSM-inspired Third Reich chic during the late 70's, especially in cinema. For every true artistic masterpiece like SEVEN BEAUTIES there was a lot more obviously exploitive stuff like NIGHT PORTER, and below that a whole bevy of ILSA-SHEWOLF-OF-THE-SS style porno filth.

    Rick Rubin produced and probably took an active artistic role in Slayer's REIGN IN BLOOD album (considered a classic of the genre), and didn't seem to blanche at all in starting that one off with a somewhat respectful tribute song to Joseph Mengele.

    , @Yngvar
    Gabber is neo-nazi punk.
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  15. @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    Obama’s Indonesian step-uncles and aunts tended to believe little Barry Soetoro might be Indonesian because as they moved about the various island due to their dad’s job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking.

    Nobody in the family seemed to want to advance the alternative theory.

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    "...because as they moved about the various island due to their dad’s job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking."

    Wow, that was subtle. That reminded me of the following lyric from Fagen and Becker:

    "Tearful reunion in the USA
    Day by day those memories fade away
    Some babies grow in a peculiar way
    It changed, it grew, and everybody knew
    Semi-mojo
    Who's this kinky so-and-so?
    Papa go"
    , @Anonymous
    Holy cow! The resemblance between the Dodo (Joko Widodo) and Pres. Obama is amazing.
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  16. @AndrewR
    South America has a lot of white people, and a disproportionate number of them like metal.

    Indians and Mestizos seem to like metal in large numbers, too.

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    Yes, here in LA we do see a decent number of young (teens and 20s) Mexicans wearing metal shirts, most often specifically Metallica shirts. Hey, something we can agree on (in addition to our common appreciation of Mexican food and the music of Rodrigo y Gabriela).
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  17. @Jean Ralphio
    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    Phil Anselmo was attacked severely for his “white supremacist” remarks. I’ve found a metal blog which was critiquing a Pantera album and they casually mentioned Anselmo’s “racism” (along with the band’s usage of the Confederate symbols of hate) as one of the biggest minuses of the band. The majority of the comments were divided if racism totally disqualified the band or if one could occasionally listen to it despite the “racism”. Only a few comments called out the nonsense. (Oh and there were a few comments with “this is not real metal, the same type of people – jocks – listened to it as those who beat me up for listening to metal”.)

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    Yea... I didn't get the reference to Pantera. They're the ones that have felt the back lash, if any of them really have, due to the singers comments. I think he also mentioned in an interview a long time ago that there was nothing wrong with being white which drew some criticism.
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  18. @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer’s influence grew.

    Israel by Siouxsie and the Banshees was interpreted by some as a critique of Zionism. The band also flirted with Nazi imagery as part of the “no sacred cows” (post)punk ethos, and got pushback for it. Still, the song was a modest hit, and the band itself enjoyed mainstream success. Even though the band’s visuals and songs like Israel were characteristically opaque, they could never make it to the mainstream airwaves today, much less without furious accusations.

    Siouxsie’s explanation about the song: No it’s not about religion as such, it’s more general. A disillusioned person, or whole race who’ve ceased to understand or believe in what they held to be the truth. It tries to put across, you shouldn’t cover what you feel inside by teaching or attitudes imposed on you. It emphasises the strength of the individual.

    A timely message about resisting conformity.

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  19. @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    Before punk rock, The Blue Oyster Cult liked to pretend to be Nazis, even though singer Eric Bloom was Jewish, and so were producers Sandy Pearlman and Murray Krugman. Their hooked-cross symbol was vaguely suggestive of a swastika,

    and their song “Me 262” was a tribute to the Nazi jet aircraft. Here’s the magazine ad for their Secret Treaties album:

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  20. Arclight says:

    I will say that having read the article it really doesn’t tell the reader much about this guy’s beliefs or the political party he founded. Not really a lot of journalism being committed.

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    Actual journalism is an after-thought, an accidental by-product of NYT articles.
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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Obama's Indonesian step-uncles and aunts tended to believe little Barry Soetoro might be Indonesian because as they moved about the various island due to their dad's job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking.

    Nobody in the family seemed to want to advance the alternative theory.

    “…because as they moved about the various island due to their dad’s job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking.”

    Wow, that was subtle. That reminded me of the following lyric from Fagen and Becker:

    “Tearful reunion in the USA
    Day by day those memories fade away
    Some babies grow in a peculiar way
    It changed, it grew, and everybody knew
    Semi-mojo
    Who’s this kinky so-and-so?
    Papa go”

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  22. carol says:

    Why don’t the SJW’s go after the roots-Americana-bluegrass crowd. Talk about SWPL. Talk about whitebread!

    I’d take metal any day over that insipid dreck.

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    Mark O’Connor is insipid dreck?...Scruggs and Flats?....Fingerstyle guitarist Adrian Legg?....Leo Kottke playing a medley of Jack Fig and Cripple Creek?....John Fahey playing Last Steam Engine?....You need to take a look in the mirror...to see what dreck really is..
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  23. Polynikes says:
    @reiner Tor
    Phil Anselmo was attacked severely for his “white supremacist” remarks. I’ve found a metal blog which was critiquing a Pantera album and they casually mentioned Anselmo’s “racism” (along with the band’s usage of the Confederate symbols of hate) as one of the biggest minuses of the band. The majority of the comments were divided if racism totally disqualified the band or if one could occasionally listen to it despite the “racism”. Only a few comments called out the nonsense. (Oh and there were a few comments with “this is not real metal, the same type of people - jocks - listened to it as those who beat me up for listening to metal”.)

    Yea… I didn’t get the reference to Pantera. They’re the ones that have felt the back lash, if any of them really have, due to the singers comments. I think he also mentioned in an interview a long time ago that there was nothing wrong with being white which drew some criticism.

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    Anselmo recently was involved (ha!) in an incident (like threw some Roman salutes at an audience while shouting “white power!”) and afterwards apologized like a pussy. He didn’t use to be like that. Now he still has a lot of money (or maybe no longer?), but he either feels stronger pressure now or his serum testosterone levels are dropping. Or both. (Didn’t he do steroids back when he was ripped? It might cause his t levels to drop faster.)
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  24. Ed says:

    Nae Silver tweeted: What the hell is this, @nytimes? This article does more to normalize neo-Nazism than anything I’ve read in a long time.

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    The comments to this tweet are so satisfying. I highly recommend them to anyone who hasn't already read them. The #Resisters are positively beside themselves with disgust and taking it out on the NYT for being so right wing. Unfortunately, I've been unpersoned by Twitter so can't reply: "This guy shops at the supermarket and likes Seinfeld just like me. Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss his views."
    , @Cagey Beast
    The goal of the article was not to make neo-Nazis seem like normal people, it was to make normal people seem like neo-Nazis.

    The Illuminati (or whoever the hell runs things) really need to send out a memo before a story like this is run.
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  25. Yak-15 says:

    It’s self-defeating for the alt-right types to use nazi imagery and language. It’s going to continue to hold back the movement. Nazis were really really really awful and a lot of great Americans died fighting them.

    Please, when you advance a set of ideas I agree with, don’t use nazi terms.

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  26. @Jean Ralphio
    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    Iron Maiden was the very first band I ever saw live. They were the opening band to play at the “Day on the Green” stadium concert at Oakland Stadium. I was there mainly to see Foreigner. This was 1982. The other acts were: the Scorpions, Loverboy and the headliner Foreigner. Ironically, the quality of performances were in exact reverse order of appearance. For the record, a song like Run for the Hills is a little-too SJW-y for my tastes, though it does rock. Also, I’m pretty sure Bruce Dickinson is a lefty anyway.

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  27. @Ed
    Nae Silver tweeted: What the hell is this, @nytimes? This article does more to normalize neo-Nazism than anything I've read in a long time.

    https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/934489016765992960

    The comments to this tweet are so satisfying. I highly recommend them to anyone who hasn’t already read them. The #Resisters are positively beside themselves with disgust and taking it out on the NYT for being so right wing. Unfortunately, I’ve been unpersoned by Twitter so can’t reply: “This guy shops at the supermarket and likes Seinfeld just like me. Maybe I shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss his views.”

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  28. Ganderson says:
    @Anonymous
    The dude says he loves Seinfeld. (I love Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode at least twice.) How does a "Nazi" love Seinfeld? On any reasonable use of the term "Nazi", shouldn't a "Nazi" hate Seinfeld and demand that he be executed? Doesn't any insinuation that anyone is a "Nazi" convey the insinuation that the "Nazi" thinks that all "Jews" should be immediately executed? Of course it does. That is why the term "Nazi" carries such power. But all of this is false.

    Only twice?

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  29. biz says:
    @Anonymous
    The dude says he loves Seinfeld. (I love Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode at least twice.) How does a "Nazi" love Seinfeld? On any reasonable use of the term "Nazi", shouldn't a "Nazi" hate Seinfeld and demand that he be executed? Doesn't any insinuation that anyone is a "Nazi" convey the insinuation that the "Nazi" thinks that all "Jews" should be immediately executed? Of course it does. That is why the term "Nazi" carries such power. But all of this is false.

    How does a “Nazi” love Seinfeld?

    Because modern day white nationalism and neo-Nazism is a mass of ridiculous and stupid contradictions. Whether it’s people of full or partial Slavic ancestry admiring Hitler, the spectacle of stupid anti-Semites worshiping philo-Semitic Confederate aristocrats, the schizophrenia about whether Christianity is the one true religion or a distraction for pathetic cucks, the most prominent public face at the moment being someone who is obviously a closeted or not-so-closeted homosexual, or the fact that the Aryan Brotherhood is led by a guy named Silverstein, a Nazi liking Seinfeld is the least of their problems.

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  30. Karlub says:

    The reason there were two articles is the writer is making his point. Twice.

    The point is to associate popular mainstream opinions– poor white people aren’t privileged, affirmative action is broken, political subsidiarity is good– with Nazi-larping.

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  31. @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics …)

    You seemed to have gone off Mr Mellor since last you mentioned him. Any particular reason why ?
    He was obviously very much of his time and place. The Upper Middle Class English ( though half-Scots, like Malcolm MacLaren ) Public Schoolboy who jumped on the punk bandwagon and found a job for life.
    But I find it hard to believe he really was despicable, like Bob Geldof, Ian Dury or Tam Paton.

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  32. The NYT writer was obviously rattled by the fact that his subject was informed, hyper-verbal, analytical, and looked like a hipster. In short, the self-image of the average young Times writer (and reader). “One of us” if you will. You can almost see him thinking to himself “what the heck is going on here. This cat should be a Bernie Bro.”

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  33. @Ed
    Nae Silver tweeted: What the hell is this, @nytimes? This article does more to normalize neo-Nazism than anything I've read in a long time.

    https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/934489016765992960

    The goal of the article was not to make neo-Nazis seem like normal people, it was to make normal people seem like neo-Nazis.

    The Illuminati (or whoever the hell runs things) really need to send out a memo before a story like this is run.

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    Excellent point. Which was underscored by the comments of that Jewish Buzzfeed blogger Braun, which the Times Ombudsman quoted approvingly.
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  34. @Anonymous
    The dude says he loves Seinfeld. (I love Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode at least twice.) How does a "Nazi" love Seinfeld? On any reasonable use of the term "Nazi", shouldn't a "Nazi" hate Seinfeld and demand that he be executed? Doesn't any insinuation that anyone is a "Nazi" convey the insinuation that the "Nazi" thinks that all "Jews" should be immediately executed? Of course it does. That is why the term "Nazi" carries such power. But all of this is false.

    this is after years and years of not being allowed to call anyone a nazi, and now the jewish media has unleashed its force to control public opinion.

    In 2013, Keith Oberman was pissed at someone for saying ‘nazi’ on twitter, now he will call any sane person who wants to end illegal immigration an EBIL NAZEE.

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  35. Svigor says:

    Jean, I listen to what I consider good metal; Metallica, Tool, Alice in Chains, a bit of Motorhead, Black Sabbath (if that counts), etc. I can’t get any further into it than that. I could never stand Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and the rest. I did discover The Black Angels about a week ago, and was pretty impressed with them, considering I’d never heard of them before. Though I don’t know if they’re really metal; they sound a bit more metal than a 70s hard rock proto-metal type band, like Zep or Black Sabbath.

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  36. @TheBoom
    An ex NYT entertainment reporter wrote on an entertainment website that senior editors at the NY Times came up with their narratives a year ahead of time. Then reporters were charged with figuring out narratives they would cover that fit the higher narrative. Top down reporting.

    Seems like there was a disconnect here and the reporter couldn't find the narrative that fit the bigger narrative that Trump and Taylor Swift are creating a climate of hate that will cause, unless stopped by a Clinton, Jews to be sent back to camps.

    Cite please?

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  37. NYT readers, especially jewish ones, ‘need’ these articles to justify their phillip roth ‘plot against america’ level hatred of white america and the need to destroy it.

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  38. @reiner Tor
    Indians and Mestizos seem to like metal in large numbers, too.

    Yes, here in LA we do see a decent number of young (teens and 20s) Mexicans wearing metal shirts, most often specifically Metallica shirts. Hey, something we can agree on (in addition to our common appreciation of Mexican food and the music of Rodrigo y Gabriela).

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  39. Ohio has lots of Germans in it. This young guy the New York Times featured as an example of the Alt-Right is from Ohio. President Trump is 1/2 German and he won Ohio with the strong backing of Ohio Germans. Taylor Swift is partly German.

    Neither Richard Spencer nor Paul Gottfried can rightly lay claim to be the originator of the Alt-Right designation. Prussian nationalists named the Alt-Right in honor of Carol Alt. Carol Alt is of Prussian ancestry. Carol Alt and Taylor Swift are both 5 feet 11 inches tall. Taylor Swift is part German.

    The key to controlling the American Empire is to win the votes of Germans in the Great Lakes states and to win the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. That is how President Trump won the presidency. Trump is 1/2 German.

    Short, choppy sentences are the new thing; you’ll read about it shortly in the New York Times. No more Henry Adams nor Henry James horseshit where the sentences go on forever.

    Taylor Swift and President Trump are the vanguard of the new German American leaders who will save the American Empire from the treasonous WASP / Jew ruling class.

    In Das Boot, a German WWII submarine movie, the Germans stay silent to avoid detection by enemy sonar. Taylor Swift is German and she will stay silent to piss off the off-brand scum who want Swift to denounce Trump.

    We all knew it would come down to Taylor Swift and her ability to run silent, didn’t we?

    Globalization is coming to its end and the absurdity is entertaining.

    TAYLOR SWIFT?

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  40. 3g4me says:

    My older son listens to tons of metal – primarily although not exclusively European. While I don’t care for the opera metal, I’ve enjoyed a lot of what he gets me to listen to and prefer it while working out. I’m already angry. Going to the gym and seeing all the non-White guys who aren’t at work like my White husband but hanging around the gym instead makes me even angrier. Then there’s the Indian carry-out next door, and the mosque around the block (this is supposed to be Texas).

    Volbeat was my first favorite. Lately I’m enjoying Sabaton and their lyrics celebrating European history and specific military heroes (including non-Europeans like the Japanese). Tragedy, courage, personal sacrifice for one’s people and culture, death rather than submission. What’s not to like? I get especially angry when I pass a White guy listening to Negro Noise (c-rap). They ought to have more self respect, except they’ve been taught to be ashamed of their ancestry and to instead celebrate the alien and savage who can’t sing, hasn’t a clue about music and mumbles an incoherent gibberish marketed as a form of English (cue snark larping as the profound from Truffy).

    Music as rebellion against the zeitgeist? What a novel concept. Who knows, I may end up liking Primordial one day. It’s okay to be White listening to Whites.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Obama's Indonesian step-uncles and aunts tended to believe little Barry Soetoro might be Indonesian because as they moved about the various island due to their dad's job as a petroleum engineer, their mom tended to give birth to children who looked like the respective islanders, and one island near New Guinea everybody was kind of African-looking.

    Nobody in the family seemed to want to advance the alternative theory.

    Holy cow! The resemblance between the Dodo (Joko Widodo) and Pres. Obama is amazing.

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  42. I only read this one article by our drummer, but he seems quite articulate, aside from a few typos I liked it.

    I hope his band(s) played good music, cause I might download them. Of course I’ll pay for it.

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    Hmm... post-hardcore, metalcore... the music probably sucks... I’ll check it out anyway, and if I’ll like it to some extent, I’ll buy it.
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  43. @reiner Tor
    I only read this one article by our drummer, but he seems quite articulate, aside from a few typos I liked it.

    I hope his band(s) played good music, cause I might download them. Of course I’ll pay for it.

    Hmm… post-hardcore, metalcore… the music probably sucks… I’ll check it out anyway, and if I’ll like it to some extent, I’ll buy it.

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    I got cold feet before actually listening to it...
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  44. Has Wilco or Lars Ulrich been forced to denounce him yet?

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  45. ex-banker says:

    How was Strummer not a nice guy? My impression from the documentary done just prior to his death was that he was pretty down to earth. My memory is that it showed him as playing for the love of music/performing, even handing out bills on the boardwalk. Not unreasonable to think he may have mellowed out by that point though.

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  46. kiismerh says:

    One can interpret your version as if they were afraid to go after the bear. In the original version (in reality) you see that they were able to get anybody and since people were interchangeable, it didn’t really matter who they took away.

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  47. As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the ’70s) devastated by the SJWs.

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    Like all totalitarian ideologies, SJWism just cannot accept there to be any corner with an odd politically incorrect thought.
    , @Abe

    As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the ’70s) devastated by the SJWs.
     
    "First they came for the computer gamers, and I did not speak out because I was a recovering gamer and wished to look cooler than all those nerds, then they came for the sci-fi & fantasy fans..."

    Metal music has always been a bit of a special case. Yes, metalheads and headbangers were teenage outcasts for a good deal of the 70's and 80's. Yet "metal" was often the music of choice for white high school jocks (baseball catcher Mike Piazza being a prominent example), and if by "metal" you stretched your definition a bit to include such girl-friendlier acts as Motley Crue, Def Leppard, & Whitesnake, it was pretty much the most popular teenage musical form of the 80's.

    I'm not well-versed on any of the heavy metal trends of the new Millennium, but if things have gone in the Marilyn Manson/Cannibal Corpse direction (but with even less irony) I can understand how the form and its fanbase can now be more marginalized than ever.

    GamerGate came before the TRUMPening, and honestly I did not have the patience to parse all the charges and countercharges of that squabble, but now that I have my God Emperor-approved reality-revealing sunglasses on, I extend my full sympathies to all aggrieved gamers who simply wanted to be left in peace to kill zombies, quarterback the New England Patriots, or run virtual railroads without a bunch of nasty, cynical Trojan Dorks targeting them for fame and profit.

    What makes it sadder is that some of these SJW opportunists (Junot Diaz, Ta Genius Coates) are big ol' colored nerds themselves, and so one would think would be sensitive to dishing out the sort of bullying that immiserated their own youths. One would also think they'd be self-aware enough to realize that putting lame 'woke' spins on the sci-fi & fantasy classics (LOVECRAFT COUNTRY) adds nothing essential to them, and is a form of cashing-in of the crassest sort. Oh well, maybe someday nerdiness will be added to the array of intersectional categories, and these heavy metal fans, gamers, and sci-fi fans can be told in a more theoretically-rigorous way why they're evil.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    SJW material entering metal is part of an attempt to attack white culture. It should be rooted out completely. Actually, your average SJWer can’t listen to metal at all. Anything stronger than Will Oldham frays their delicate nerves and freaks them out.

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  49. The Atlantic has already produced a parody of the NYT piece:

    Nazis Are Just Like You and Me, Except They’re Nazis
    Despite what you may have read in The New York Times

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/a-nazi-cooks-pasta/546737/

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    It's pretty hard for the Atlantic to do a parody, it's like you are in the inner core of the Onion and then go deeper.

    Anyway, there is a whole book on the subject of "Nazis Are Just Like You and Me, Except They’re Nazis" that is actually not juvenile pap meant to goo up the mind:

    "They thought they were free: The Germans 1933-45"

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

    "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?
     
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  50. @reiner Tor
    Hmm... post-hardcore, metalcore... the music probably sucks... I’ll check it out anyway, and if I’ll like it to some extent, I’ll buy it.

    I got cold feet before actually listening to it…

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  51. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wick
    How much money is there to be made though?

    Vox Day seems to argue that none of this provides money long term, at least for the corporations and if you're a White male I doubt its easy to get in on the diversity speech racket.

    On a personal level, it would be interesting to see how many of the SJW men are the products of broken homes vs those who are the product of reasonably solvent middle/ upper class families who can subsidise such an approach to life. I would imagine there would be a divide between the two in terms of true believers and those who are there because it benefits them, with the later able to tank the losses.

    In terms of woman, based on my observations from having recently finished at a tertiary institute, the guys who did well were as you would expect, blokes who acted and behaved like men. In contrast those in the left wing crowd who I was familiar with enjoyed what were essentially flings. Even there however the guys who were benefiting there weren't the SJWs they were the guys who still acted like men, or failing that had exotic appeal (i.e they were Europeans). The SJWs tended to be on the outside looking in in these cases.

    I’ve noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other. These relationship problems make liberals try to convert the state into their substitute parents/spouse. You note that single mothers are the classic case of trying to make the state into their provider because their worthless boyfriends ran off or refuse to get a job.

    It’s useful when you meet a liberal to ask them about their family. Make pointed remarks about what their ulterior motive is. A lot of liberals are blind to their own psychological problems, and the fact that these problems drive their political choices.

    Ultimately, it’s quite plain that if you want liberalism to die, we need to make it harder to get a divorce, or create more penalties for divorce. No-fault divorce was a bad idea, and should only be allowed in cases in which there are no children.

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    The broken family/ state as the father thing is old hat at this point and it ties back into the whole lack of a father figure and boundaries which seems to be the root of most of these social issues. Still that ties back into the welfare state and the current resource abundance making such an approach viable, cut back on that and I imagine you'll see a reversion to traditional norms. That said, people have been arguing this for decades.

    It might be different in the States, but certainly here, I would say that the lack religion and decay of social pressure around things like divorce ensures that liberalism is going to continue, there simply isn't enough dominant social pressure to counteract it. That may be changing, but I think in order for divorce rates to decline, you need to have a situation where the state isn't in a position to make going it alone look like a viable prospect. Of course, this is difficult to develop because people are not inclined to give up what they perceive as free stuff, hence any effort to reduce the welfare state is going to run into major resistance.

    Anecdotally, my grandparents often make the point to myself and my cousins that when looking for a long term girlfriend its best to work out where the father is in the picture so as to avoid issues down the road, which again ties into this lac of a father/ stable family structure being a persistent issue across a range of issues.
    , @Anon
    "I’ve noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other."

    So, basically everyone outside of a 60's Disney movie?
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  52. I suspect as with the gamers, the SJWs will be left bleeding on the floor if they go bothering the Metalheads. Like the gamers (with which there is significant overlap) the Metalheads are going to do their thing and don’t give a toss what you think about them.

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  53. @Simon in London
    As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the '70s) devastated by the SJWs.

    Like all totalitarian ideologies, SJWism just cannot accept there to be any corner with an odd politically incorrect thought.

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  54. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    There were some Jews in punk, but there were a heck of a lot of punk bands, and those guys were mostly non-Jewish middle-American or British. Some of the very best bands that came out of punk rock like Husker Du or the Replacements have non-Jewish backgrounds. I’ve looked up the genealogy of guys like Bob Mould, Grant Hart, and Paul Westerberg, and they’re mainly Germanic (in Westerberg’s case Swedish) crossed with Anglo-Saxon. J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr is half-Italian, half-Irish.

    Frankly, the best music that came out of the punk rock movement wasn’t created by Jews, but was made by people coming from old European ethnicities with a ‘high-craft’ tradition in music. There are also a lot of well-known metal artists with Eastern European ethnic ancestry who come from the same areas of Europe that have traditionally produced a ton of classical musicians and conductors.

    What I did glean about the background of your average punk rocker is that they had a disproportionate amount of fathers who had been in the military. I suspect high testosterone running in the family makes men more likely to join the military, but also makes them more likely to become punk rockers if they happen to like music.

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  55. Anon7 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    What's the motivation behind the SJWization?

    I doubt it helps young men do better with women to be an SJW. My guess is the motivation is money -- maybe not big money, but whatever clickbait boiler rooms like Buzzfeed pay. If you want to produce some clippings to get a paying job as a culture writer, your clippings need to show some SJW bonafides.

    If that's the case, this seems like an area where a little money could go a long way culturally, if, say, a Ron Unz or a Peter Thiel or the Mercers were interested. You wouldn't need to pay that many people, just enough to motivate the bottom of the pyramid to eschew SJW-ism.

    The big motivator is that you can’t get a job without displaying this attitude. Any company big enough to give a reliable paycheck and benefits is a nice, fat target for SJW lawsuits; you’d better believe they toe the line.

    Sure, I’ll bet there are companies in the Midwest where you wouldn’t be fired if you revealed that you voted for Donald Trump. Elsewhere, however, the mainstream television, web and print media blitz is incredibly effective; anyone who fails to denounce Trump instantly and completely is a moron and a bigot, and no company can afford to have someone like that in their workforce.

    I live in a university town, and I feel like a supporter of the Allies who lived in a Nazi-occupied town in Europe in WWII. I wouldn’t be shot (yet), but my wife and I would be shunned by everyone. You have no idea.

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  56. MarcB. says:

    Phil Anselmo was a big fan of the unapologetically White Jim Goad back in the 1990′s, so his initial comments were likely a reflection of his true feelings. Expressing pro-Answer Me! sentiments were the underground music scene equivalent of wearing a MAGA hat. Even serial killers were less controversial figures to those wankers.

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  57. El Dato says:
    @TheBoom
    Steve, re your tweet about 1970s punk bands and Nazi crap - do you remember any mania from the Jews about that? I don't but pre-Internet it was harder (fortunately) for me to keep up with all this nonsense. It seems like in the 70s people knew that punks were just playing punks.

    Post Trump and Taylor Swift, Jews seem to be genuinely worried they will go back to the ovens.

    On a side note: Could Taylor Swift's silence on Nazis, white supremacy and economic nationalism be what normalized Trump? She is being treated as a side event. What if she is the root cause and sexism is what is keeping the left from realizing it? Could Trump have won if Swift had songs rallying white women against toxic masculinity and white privilege? After all, it isn't like the media or actresses talk about that stuff.

    Could Taylor Swift’s silence on Nazis, white supremacy and economic nationalism be what normalized Trump?

    Taylor Swift is basically the Lady In Red from the Matrix. Once you move your eyes off her, she turns into an Agent Smith and fires a nazi bullet right between your eyes. Using an Israeli Deagle brand Deagle. She’s the Great Normalizer.

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  58. reinerTor –

    As Cuddihy explained, the opposite/enemy of monotheism is not polytheism; it is henotheism.

    Monotheism is not descriptive; it is not the belief that only one god exists.

    It is prescriptive; it is the belief that only one god can be allowed to exist.

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  59. Abe says: • Website
    @Simon in London
    As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the '70s) devastated by the SJWs.

    As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the ’70s) devastated by the SJWs.

    “First they came for the computer gamers, and I did not speak out because I was a recovering gamer and wished to look cooler than all those nerds, then they came for the sci-fi & fantasy fans…”

    Metal music has always been a bit of a special case. Yes, metalheads and headbangers were teenage outcasts for a good deal of the 70′s and 80′s. Yet “metal” was often the music of choice for white high school jocks (baseball catcher Mike Piazza being a prominent example), and if by “metal” you stretched your definition a bit to include such girl-friendlier acts as Motley Crue, Def Leppard, & Whitesnake, it was pretty much the most popular teenage musical form of the 80′s.

    I’m not well-versed on any of the heavy metal trends of the new Millennium, but if things have gone in the Marilyn Manson/Cannibal Corpse direction (but with even less irony) I can understand how the form and its fanbase can now be more marginalized than ever.

    GamerGate came before the TRUMPening, and honestly I did not have the patience to parse all the charges and countercharges of that squabble, but now that I have my God Emperor-approved reality-revealing sunglasses on, I extend my full sympathies to all aggrieved gamers who simply wanted to be left in peace to kill zombies, quarterback the New England Patriots, or run virtual railroads without a bunch of nasty, cynical Trojan Dorks targeting them for fame and profit.

    What makes it sadder is that some of these SJW opportunists (Junot Diaz, Ta Genius Coates) are big ol’ colored nerds themselves, and so one would think would be sensitive to dishing out the sort of bullying that immiserated their own youths. One would also think they’d be self-aware enough to realize that putting lame ‘woke’ spins on the sci-fi & fantasy classics (LOVECRAFT COUNTRY) adds nothing essential to them, and is a form of cashing-in of the crassest sort. Oh well, maybe someday nerdiness will be added to the array of intersectional categories, and these heavy metal fans, gamers, and sci-fi fans can be told in a more theoretically-rigorous way why they’re evil.

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  60. Tiny Duck says:

    I think theprofile was a real public service. It is important for every American to understand that real evil can look and sound normal much of the time, and that there is often no single obvious reason a white person becomes that kind of racist.

    What this shows is the fruition of the strategy of the conservative movement. They have exploited the dissatisfaction of the white masses by convincing them that the reason they have so little is because the government has given so much to the “Others,” instead of to them.

    These guys think their taxes are too high and all of their hard earned money is going to lazy people on welfare who are living it up while they go to work. It’s too bad we can’t work out a way that they could switch places with a Person of Color for a month. It all boils down to an inability to understand their own lives and the lives of others. If we as a nation could understand that we should be working to help the people on the bottom instead of the top we might be able to realize our potential.

    Even an amateur’s glance through American History throws up White Supremacy and racism as an essential shaper of our culture, society, and history.

    This is past moral principle. Either we acknowledge and embrace the reality of who we are as white people, or we turn to our respective echo chambers, and dismantle the country as a result, whip-sawed through the wedge politics of identity.

    The article was great because it makes ALL white people come to terms with their own racism and inner evil

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    Oh my God. Tiny Duck wrote an exegesis. All hail Swift's powers for unleashing the Tower of Babel among the SJWers.
    , @fish

    Ohs Turducken....i’s thots you’n were calmded down aftern dat big dinnerz ate teh Casa de Pittzy....butts no....you hadn’t had to goze and drop nother ob yo sillie screeds at teh unz.com


    -lender J “I windz teh Madden Bowl Trkskey Leg” Pittttsssss
     

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  61. Abe says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery,

    Jimmy Page dressed in SS officer getup during Led Zeppelin’s ’75 (or else it was ’77) tour. There was a lot of sleaze-driven, BSM-inspired Third Reich chic during the late 70′s, especially in cinema. For every true artistic masterpiece like SEVEN BEAUTIES there was a lot more obviously exploitive stuff like NIGHT PORTER, and below that a whole bevy of ILSA-SHEWOLF-OF-THE-SS style porno filth.

    Rick Rubin produced and probably took an active artistic role in Slayer’s REIGN IN BLOOD album (considered a classic of the genre), and didn’t seem to blanche at all in starting that one off with a somewhat respectful tribute song to Joseph Mengele.

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    "Night Porter" was frankly not particularly exploitative, expect for the poster. I can't even remember nudity therein.

    Still haven't seen Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom and I probably won't...
    , @Anon
    Periodically, bands adopt Nazi imagery for the same reason some adopt the Confederate flag as a mascot. It makes them look tough and pisses people off. It doesn't mean they want to kill Jews or own slaves.
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  62. Forbes says:
    @Lurker

    Soviet joke, with the punchline: “The KGB goes [into the forest to find a rabbit]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: ‘Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!’”
     
    I get the joke but wouldn't the joke work better still as: “The KGB goes [into the forest to find a bear]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten rabbit. The rabbit is yelling: ‘Okay! Okay! I’m a bear! I’m a bear!’”

    Yes.

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  63. Forbes says:
    @Arclight
    I will say that having read the article it really doesn't tell the reader much about this guy's beliefs or the political party he founded. Not really a lot of journalism being committed.

    Actual journalism is an after-thought, an accidental by-product of NYT articles.

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  64. @celt darnell
    I suspect as with the gamers, the SJWs will be left bleeding on the floor if they go bothering the Metalheads. Like the gamers (with which there is significant overlap) the Metalheads are going to do their thing and don't give a toss what you think about them.

    As long as Matt Pike remains shirtless, Metal will abide.

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  65. @Polynikes
    Yea... I didn't get the reference to Pantera. They're the ones that have felt the back lash, if any of them really have, due to the singers comments. I think he also mentioned in an interview a long time ago that there was nothing wrong with being white which drew some criticism.

    Anselmo recently was involved (ha!) in an incident (like threw some Roman salutes at an audience while shouting “white power!”) and afterwards apologized like a pussy. He didn’t use to be like that. Now he still has a lot of money (or maybe no longer?), but he either feels stronger pressure now or his serum testosterone levels are dropping. Or both. (Didn’t he do steroids back when he was ripped? It might cause his t levels to drop faster.)

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  66. CCZ says:

    Interesting to read NYT “readers’” responses, outrage at “How to normalize Nazis 101!” Savage criticism from WaPo editors, Jimmy Kimmel writers, and Mother Jones reporters. How shockingly unexpected!!

    A lot of readers found the story offensive, with many seizing on the idea we were normalizing neo-Nazi views and behavior. “How to normalize Nazis 101!” one reader wrote on Twitter. “I’m both shocked and disgusted by this article,” wrote another. “Attempting to ‘normalize’ white supremacist groups – should Never have been printed!”

    The point of the story was not to normalize anything but to describe the degree to which hate and extremism have become far more normal in American life than many of us want to think.

    We described Mr. Hovater as a bigot, a Nazi sympathizer who posted images on Facebook of a Nazi-like America full of happy white people and swastikas everywhere.

    Some readers did see value in the piece. Shane Bauer, a senior reporter at Mother Jones and a winner of the National Magazine Award, tweeted: “People mad about this article want to believe that Nazis are monsters we cannot relate to. White supremacists are normal ass white people and it’s been that way in America since 1776. We will continue to be in trouble till we understand that.”
    But far more were outraged by the article. “You know who had nice manners?” Bess Kalb, a writer for Jimmy Kimmel Live, said on Twitter. “The Nazi who shaved my uncle Willie’s head before escorting him into a cement chamber where he locked eyes with children as their lungs filled with poison and they suffocated to death in agony. Too much? Exactly. That’s how you write about Nazis.”

    Others urged us to focus our journalism less on those pushing hate and more on those on the receiving end of that hate. “Instead of long, glowing profiles of Nazis/White nationalists, why don’t we profile the victims of their ideologies?” asked Karen Attiah, an editor at The Washington Post. “Why not a piece about the mother of Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed in Charlottesville? Follow-ups on those who were injured? Or how PoC are coping?”

    We regret the degree to which the piece offended so many readers. We recognize that people can disagree on how best to tell a disagreeable story. What we think is indisputable, though, is the need to shed more light, not less, on the most extreme corners of American life and the people who inhabit them.

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    Others urged us to focus our journalism less on those pushing hate and more on those on the receiving end of that hate. “Instead of long, glowing profiles of Nazis/White nationalists, why don’t we profile the victims of their ideologies?” asked Karen Attiah, an editor at The Washington Post. “Why not a piece about the mother of Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed in Charlottesville? Follow-ups on those who were injured? Or how PoC are coping?”

     

    Was Heather Heyer killed by a Nazi? That's news to me!

    As for pushing hate, well, I think the NYT reflected favorably on John McCain...
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  67. Abe says: • Website

    You know I like rap music as much as any nice, frightened Caucasian.

    –Jim Carrey, 1999 MTV Video Music Awards

    Retrospectively, heavy meal and pretty much all hard rock died as viable, non-niche musical forms at the 1997 MTV VMA’s when Marilyn Manson turned his pasty, flabby asschecks to the wind.

    Alternative music and grunge had pretty much self-imploded by then, and the somewhat magnetic image of the street-corner crack dealer (a showbiz concoction, of course) turned rap star in a $6 million music video drinking Dom Perignon in his white suit aboard his white yacht was just starting to take off and begin its multi-decade reign.

    Marilyn Manson of course had all the typical shock rock pseudo-Satanist trappings, but what you’ll also notice is the nod-to-Nazism trope of the lightning bolt ‘S’ smattered all throughout his stage set. Manson of course succeeded in his plan of riling up flyover Christians, much to the delight of the coastal intelligentsia and media elite who were in on the game. So how come said sophisticated intelligentsia and media elite are so clueless and thin-skinned when neo-’Nazis’ are coming out to troll them and push all their buttons 20 years later?

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    So how come said sophisticated intelligentsia and media elite are so clueless and thin-skinned when neo-’Nazis’ are coming out to troll them and push all their buttons 20 years later?

    You have answered yourself few lines earlier. "Manson of course succeeded in his plan of riling up flyover Christians, much to the delight of the coastal intelligentsia and media elite who were in on the game. "
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  68. Wick says:
    @Anon
    I've noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other. These relationship problems make liberals try to convert the state into their substitute parents/spouse. You note that single mothers are the classic case of trying to make the state into their provider because their worthless boyfriends ran off or refuse to get a job.

    It's useful when you meet a liberal to ask them about their family. Make pointed remarks about what their ulterior motive is. A lot of liberals are blind to their own psychological problems, and the fact that these problems drive their political choices.

    Ultimately, it's quite plain that if you want liberalism to die, we need to make it harder to get a divorce, or create more penalties for divorce. No-fault divorce was a bad idea, and should only be allowed in cases in which there are no children.

    The broken family/ state as the father thing is old hat at this point and it ties back into the whole lack of a father figure and boundaries which seems to be the root of most of these social issues. Still that ties back into the welfare state and the current resource abundance making such an approach viable, cut back on that and I imagine you’ll see a reversion to traditional norms. That said, people have been arguing this for decades.

    It might be different in the States, but certainly here, I would say that the lack religion and decay of social pressure around things like divorce ensures that liberalism is going to continue, there simply isn’t enough dominant social pressure to counteract it. That may be changing, but I think in order for divorce rates to decline, you need to have a situation where the state isn’t in a position to make going it alone look like a viable prospect. Of course, this is difficult to develop because people are not inclined to give up what they perceive as free stuff, hence any effort to reduce the welfare state is going to run into major resistance.

    Anecdotally, my grandparents often make the point to myself and my cousins that when looking for a long term girlfriend its best to work out where the father is in the picture so as to avoid issues down the road, which again ties into this lac of a father/ stable family structure being a persistent issue across a range of issues.

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  69. @Dave Pinsen
    What's the motivation behind the SJWization?

    I doubt it helps young men do better with women to be an SJW. My guess is the motivation is money -- maybe not big money, but whatever clickbait boiler rooms like Buzzfeed pay. If you want to produce some clippings to get a paying job as a culture writer, your clippings need to show some SJW bonafides.

    If that's the case, this seems like an area where a little money could go a long way culturally, if, say, a Ron Unz or a Peter Thiel or the Mercers were interested. You wouldn't need to pay that many people, just enough to motivate the bottom of the pyramid to eschew SJW-ism.

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?

    There is an answer to that, but I don’t think many people will believe me when I say it.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis. There is no way to say anything about biology without adverting to the paradigm. And this, not because it is a powerful explanatory mechanism or because it is enforced by a scientific orthodoxy, but because the mind of man does not really desire otherwise. Having arrived at a means of arranging their data and styling their utterances, no one even thinks to question the template. It is baked into the act of thinking as the will to think becomes “the will to think according to program.”

    SJWism is the template of all contemporary social commentary. It doesn’t mater what the commentary is actually about. Whether you’re writing about heavy metal, or about sanitation at a New England dairy farm, or about maritime law in the Lesser Antilles, the result is the same: the mere act of writing results in the template appearing fully formed in the final product, consciously or not.

    This is something governed by the spirit of the times and is not a result simply of the educational establishment or the media propounding political correctness. Consequently it cannot be changed by renewing those institutions. The institutions exist only for the sake of the paradigm, and the paradigm exists because it answers to the psychological need of people to compartmentalize the terrors of life while making themselves out to be competent, authoritative, and concerned, which are the vital and necessary masks of any gregarious creature.

    For the stark truth of the matter is this: SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

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    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis.
     
    Not this AGAIN. Always the same drum. It's like wanting to not believe in genetic algorithms. Or the loss of antibiotics potency.

    Oh, Btw:

    Forget Sesame Street, scientists pretty much watched Big Bird evolve on Galápagos island: New finch species developed in just two generations
    , @utu
    SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

    I think you are onto something. Is it possible though that the paradigm is beginning to show cracks?
    , @biz

    Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis
     
    In the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, the next time you need antibiotics please insist on one of the disused ones that the doctors are erroneously insisting that bacteria have evolved immunity to.
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  70. Whoever says: • Website
    @al-Gharaniq
    Oh man, some great choice quotes from these NYT articles.

    an editor at The Times told me he felt like the question had not been sufficiently addressed. So I went back to Mr. Hovater in search of answers. I still don’t think I really found them. I could feel the failure even as Mr. Hovater and I spoke on the phone, adding to what had already been hours of face-to-face conversation in and around his hometown New Carlisle, Ohio.
     
    Read: Editor said I needed to portray Mr. Hovater as an evil Nazi, racist villain, but even with maximum spin I couldn't do it without lying.

    Reminds me of that one Soviet joke, with the punchline: "The KGB goes [into the forest to find a rabbit]. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: 'Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!'"

    I was thinking about an album I grew up with by the Minutemen, the Southern California punk group, and its brilliantly koanic title: “What Makes a Man Start Fires?”
     
    1. That's not even close to being a koan and 2. That's an empirical question. The author even ends his article with that question, "What makes a man start fires?" I mean, taken either metaphorically or literally, that's not an unanswerable question—but they're not really looking for answers here, so much as a narrative to push.

    Sometimes a soul, and its shape, remain obscure to both writer and reader.
     
    Read: I give up, I couldn't do it, please don't crucify me.

    Well, Steve, you're a professional writer; does his mea culpa resonate at all, or is it a tacit admission he couldn't satisfy editors with an agenda?

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  71. El Dato says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The Atlantic has already produced a parody of the NYT piece:

    Nazis Are Just Like You and Me, Except They're Nazis
    Despite what you may have read in The New York Times
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/a-nazi-cooks-pasta/546737/

    It’s pretty hard for the Atlantic to do a parody, it’s like you are in the inner core of the Onion and then go deeper.

    Anyway, there is a whole book on the subject of “Nazis Are Just Like You and Me, Except They’re Nazis” that is actually not juvenile pap meant to goo up the mind:

    “They thought they were free: The Germans 1933-45″

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

    “Your friend the baker was right,” said my colleague. “The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

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  72. El Dato says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?
     
    There is an answer to that, but I don't think many people will believe me when I say it.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis. There is no way to say anything about biology without adverting to the paradigm. And this, not because it is a powerful explanatory mechanism or because it is enforced by a scientific orthodoxy, but because the mind of man does not really desire otherwise. Having arrived at a means of arranging their data and styling their utterances, no one even thinks to question the template. It is baked into the act of thinking as the will to think becomes "the will to think according to program."

    SJWism is the template of all contemporary social commentary. It doesn't mater what the commentary is actually about. Whether you're writing about heavy metal, or about sanitation at a New England dairy farm, or about maritime law in the Lesser Antilles, the result is the same: the mere act of writing results in the template appearing fully formed in the final product, consciously or not.

    This is something governed by the spirit of the times and is not a result simply of the educational establishment or the media propounding political correctness. Consequently it cannot be changed by renewing those institutions. The institutions exist only for the sake of the paradigm, and the paradigm exists because it answers to the psychological need of people to compartmentalize the terrors of life while making themselves out to be competent, authoritative, and concerned, which are the vital and necessary masks of any gregarious creature.

    For the stark truth of the matter is this: SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis.

    Not this AGAIN. Always the same drum. It’s like wanting to not believe in genetic algorithms. Or the loss of antibiotics potency.

    Oh, Btw:

    Forget Sesame Street, scientists pretty much watched Big Bird evolve on Galápagos island: New finch species developed in just two generations

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    Oh, Btw:

    "Among biologists, the criteria for qualifying as a new species, Mallet said, is "nearly arbitrary". He said some biologists would not define crossbreed offspring as a new species, but he disagrees. The new lineage presented here has "all the characteristics of a species" including mating among their own kind and keeping ecologically separate."

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  73. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I've noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other. These relationship problems make liberals try to convert the state into their substitute parents/spouse. You note that single mothers are the classic case of trying to make the state into their provider because their worthless boyfriends ran off or refuse to get a job.

    It's useful when you meet a liberal to ask them about their family. Make pointed remarks about what their ulterior motive is. A lot of liberals are blind to their own psychological problems, and the fact that these problems drive their political choices.

    Ultimately, it's quite plain that if you want liberalism to die, we need to make it harder to get a divorce, or create more penalties for divorce. No-fault divorce was a bad idea, and should only be allowed in cases in which there are no children.

    “I’ve noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other.”

    So, basically everyone outside of a 60′s Disney movie?

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    It's worth doing a poll of your liberal friends to find out. You'll be surprised.
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  74. El Dato says:
    @CCZ
    Interesting to read NYT "readers'" responses, outrage at “How to normalize Nazis 101!” Savage criticism from WaPo editors, Jimmy Kimmel writers, and Mother Jones reporters. How shockingly unexpected!!

    A lot of readers found the story offensive, with many seizing on the idea we were normalizing neo-Nazi views and behavior. “How to normalize Nazis 101!” one reader wrote on Twitter. “I’m both shocked and disgusted by this article,” wrote another. “Attempting to ‘normalize’ white supremacist groups – should Never have been printed!”

    The point of the story was not to normalize anything but to describe the degree to which hate and extremism have become far more normal in American life than many of us want to think.

    We described Mr. Hovater as a bigot, a Nazi sympathizer who posted images on Facebook of a Nazi-like America full of happy white people and swastikas everywhere.

    Some readers did see value in the piece. Shane Bauer, a senior reporter at Mother Jones and a winner of the National Magazine Award, tweeted: “People mad about this article want to believe that Nazis are monsters we cannot relate to. White supremacists are normal ass white people and it’s been that way in America since 1776. We will continue to be in trouble till we understand that.”
    But far more were outraged by the article. “You know who had nice manners?” Bess Kalb, a writer for Jimmy Kimmel Live, said on Twitter. “The Nazi who shaved my uncle Willie’s head before escorting him into a cement chamber where he locked eyes with children as their lungs filled with poison and they suffocated to death in agony. Too much? Exactly. That’s how you write about Nazis.”

    Others urged us to focus our journalism less on those pushing hate and more on those on the receiving end of that hate. “Instead of long, glowing profiles of Nazis/White nationalists, why don’t we profile the victims of their ideologies?” asked Karen Attiah, an editor at The Washington Post. “Why not a piece about the mother of Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed in Charlottesville? Follow-ups on those who were injured? Or how PoC are coping?”

    We regret the degree to which the piece offended so many readers. We recognize that people can disagree on how best to tell a disagreeable story. What we think is indisputable, though, is the need to shed more light, not less, on the most extreme corners of American life and the people who inhabit them.

     

    Others urged us to focus our journalism less on those pushing hate and more on those on the receiving end of that hate. “Instead of long, glowing profiles of Nazis/White nationalists, why don’t we profile the victims of their ideologies?” asked Karen Attiah, an editor at The Washington Post. “Why not a piece about the mother of Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed in Charlottesville? Follow-ups on those who were injured? Or how PoC are coping?”

    Was Heather Heyer killed by a Nazi? That’s news to me!

    As for pushing hate, well, I think the NYT reflected favorably on John McCain…

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  75. @carol
    Why don't the SJW's go after the roots-Americana-bluegrass crowd. Talk about SWPL. Talk about whitebread!

    I'd take metal any day over that insipid dreck.

    Mark O’Connor is insipid dreck?…Scruggs and Flats?….Fingerstyle guitarist Adrian Legg?….Leo Kottke playing a medley of Jack Fig and Cripple Creek?….John Fahey playing Last Steam Engine?….You need to take a look in the mirror…to see what dreck really is..

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    Bluegrass has no excuse for being dull. Some of what you mentioned genuinely is dull because it's too tame and polite.

    This is what bluegrass should be like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLC471q7e3g&list=PLSAJ4or3qJ7bGpvcG1I4dV9BTCan5ByVa&index=5
    , @Anonymous
    "roots-Americana-bluegrass" covers a lot of ground, some of it is crap and some sublime.
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  76. El Dato says:
    @Abe

    Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery,
     
    Jimmy Page dressed in SS officer getup during Led Zeppelin's '75 (or else it was '77) tour. There was a lot of sleaze-driven, BSM-inspired Third Reich chic during the late 70's, especially in cinema. For every true artistic masterpiece like SEVEN BEAUTIES there was a lot more obviously exploitive stuff like NIGHT PORTER, and below that a whole bevy of ILSA-SHEWOLF-OF-THE-SS style porno filth.

    Rick Rubin produced and probably took an active artistic role in Slayer's REIGN IN BLOOD album (considered a classic of the genre), and didn't seem to blanche at all in starting that one off with a somewhat respectful tribute song to Joseph Mengele.

    “Night Porter” was frankly not particularly exploitative, expect for the poster. I can’t even remember nudity therein.

    Still haven’t seen Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom and I probably won’t…

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  77. Metal is quintessentially geeky in the same way other male-dominated pursuits were before ‘geek’ was rewritten as shorthand for ‘anyone who ever watched Star Wars once and enjoyed it’. Becoming a metal musician involves lots of sitting alone obsessively learning riffs and scales, some obscure and highly technical, and beyond that classifying and sorting equipment, t-shirts, album artwork, etc. You see the same obsessive categorization pursuit in pretty much any male-oriented subculture: sports fanaticism, Japanese who memorize trains and train schedules, HAM radio, gun nuts, etc. Punk is more performance based and doesn’t require much talent or practice, like modern art, which is why it was easily invaded by zine-pushing SJWs. On the other hand Metal’s DILLIGAF mentality makes it resistant to concern trolling and virtue signaling. Metal is still fairly popular considering how little you hear about it in mainstream media and has links to other manly subcultures like strength training and bikers.

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    I wouldn't mind betting these left-wing heavy metal fans and critics tend to favour bands that are more about image and energy than musical ability. Probably bands that mix punk and metal, like Rage Against the Machine and Napalm Death, and certainly not progressive metal bands like Dream Theater and Opeth. Left wing music critics always focus on image, lyrics, and emotion and dismiss technical ability and instrumental sophistication.

    Their probably aim is to make metal more socially self-conscious and more punk orientated in style. The left has been using this kind of tactic since the dada art scene started at end of WWI - attack virtuosity, aesthetic sophistication and apolitical attitudes, while promoting left-wing subversion and self-conscious posturing.

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  78. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    I think theprofile was a real public service. It is important for every American to understand that real evil can look and sound normal much of the time, and that there is often no single obvious reason a white person becomes that kind of racist.

    What this shows is the fruition of the strategy of the conservative movement. They have exploited the dissatisfaction of the white masses by convincing them that the reason they have so little is because the government has given so much to the “Others,” instead of to them.

    These guys think their taxes are too high and all of their hard earned money is going to lazy people on welfare who are living it up while they go to work. It’s too bad we can’t work out a way that they could switch places with a Person of Color for a month. It all boils down to an inability to understand their own lives and the lives of others. If we as a nation could understand that we should be working to help the people on the bottom instead of the top we might be able to realize our potential.

    Even an amateur's glance through American History throws up White Supremacy and racism as an essential shaper of our culture, society, and history.

    This is past moral principle. Either we acknowledge and embrace the reality of who we are as white people, or we turn to our respective echo chambers, and dismantle the country as a result, whip-sawed through the wedge politics of identity.

    The article was great because it makes ALL white people come to terms with their own racism and inner evil

    Oh my God. Tiny Duck wrote an exegesis. All hail Swift’s powers for unleashing the Tower of Babel among the SJWers.

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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Abe

    Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery,
     
    Jimmy Page dressed in SS officer getup during Led Zeppelin's '75 (or else it was '77) tour. There was a lot of sleaze-driven, BSM-inspired Third Reich chic during the late 70's, especially in cinema. For every true artistic masterpiece like SEVEN BEAUTIES there was a lot more obviously exploitive stuff like NIGHT PORTER, and below that a whole bevy of ILSA-SHEWOLF-OF-THE-SS style porno filth.

    Rick Rubin produced and probably took an active artistic role in Slayer's REIGN IN BLOOD album (considered a classic of the genre), and didn't seem to blanche at all in starting that one off with a somewhat respectful tribute song to Joseph Mengele.

    Periodically, bands adopt Nazi imagery for the same reason some adopt the Confederate flag as a mascot. It makes them look tough and pisses people off. It doesn’t mean they want to kill Jews or own slaves.

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  80. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Mark O’Connor is insipid dreck?...Scruggs and Flats?....Fingerstyle guitarist Adrian Legg?....Leo Kottke playing a medley of Jack Fig and Cripple Creek?....John Fahey playing Last Steam Engine?....You need to take a look in the mirror...to see what dreck really is..

    Bluegrass has no excuse for being dull. Some of what you mentioned genuinely is dull because it’s too tame and polite.

    This is what bluegrass should be like:

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  81. @Cagey Beast
    The goal of the article was not to make neo-Nazis seem like normal people, it was to make normal people seem like neo-Nazis.

    The Illuminati (or whoever the hell runs things) really need to send out a memo before a story like this is run.

    Excellent point. Which was underscored by the comments of that Jewish Buzzfeed blogger Braun, which the Times Ombudsman quoted approvingly.

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  82. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "I’ve noticed that liberals usually come from a broken family, or have relationship troubles with their parents, or have trouble obtaining a significant other."

    So, basically everyone outside of a 60's Disney movie?

    It’s worth doing a poll of your liberal friends to find out. You’ll be surprised.

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  83. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I think theprofile was a real public service. It is important for every American to understand that real evil can look and sound normal much of the time, and that there is often no single obvious reason a white person becomes that kind of racist.

    What this shows is the fruition of the strategy of the conservative movement. They have exploited the dissatisfaction of the white masses by convincing them that the reason they have so little is because the government has given so much to the “Others,” instead of to them.

    These guys think their taxes are too high and all of their hard earned money is going to lazy people on welfare who are living it up while they go to work. It’s too bad we can’t work out a way that they could switch places with a Person of Color for a month. It all boils down to an inability to understand their own lives and the lives of others. If we as a nation could understand that we should be working to help the people on the bottom instead of the top we might be able to realize our potential.

    Even an amateur's glance through American History throws up White Supremacy and racism as an essential shaper of our culture, society, and history.

    This is past moral principle. Either we acknowledge and embrace the reality of who we are as white people, or we turn to our respective echo chambers, and dismantle the country as a result, whip-sawed through the wedge politics of identity.

    The article was great because it makes ALL white people come to terms with their own racism and inner evil

    Ohs Turducken….i’s thots you’n were calmded down aftern dat big dinnerz ate teh Casa de Pittzy….butts no….you hadn’t had to goze and drop nother ob yo sillie screeds at teh unz.com

    -lender J “I windz teh Madden Bowl Trkskey Leg” Pittttsssss

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  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Mark O’Connor is insipid dreck?...Scruggs and Flats?....Fingerstyle guitarist Adrian Legg?....Leo Kottke playing a medley of Jack Fig and Cripple Creek?....John Fahey playing Last Steam Engine?....You need to take a look in the mirror...to see what dreck really is..

    “roots-Americana-bluegrass” covers a lot of ground, some of it is crap and some sublime.

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  85. utu says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?
     
    There is an answer to that, but I don't think many people will believe me when I say it.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis. There is no way to say anything about biology without adverting to the paradigm. And this, not because it is a powerful explanatory mechanism or because it is enforced by a scientific orthodoxy, but because the mind of man does not really desire otherwise. Having arrived at a means of arranging their data and styling their utterances, no one even thinks to question the template. It is baked into the act of thinking as the will to think becomes "the will to think according to program."

    SJWism is the template of all contemporary social commentary. It doesn't mater what the commentary is actually about. Whether you're writing about heavy metal, or about sanitation at a New England dairy farm, or about maritime law in the Lesser Antilles, the result is the same: the mere act of writing results in the template appearing fully formed in the final product, consciously or not.

    This is something governed by the spirit of the times and is not a result simply of the educational establishment or the media propounding political correctness. Consequently it cannot be changed by renewing those institutions. The institutions exist only for the sake of the paradigm, and the paradigm exists because it answers to the psychological need of people to compartmentalize the terrors of life while making themselves out to be competent, authoritative, and concerned, which are the vital and necessary masks of any gregarious creature.

    For the stark truth of the matter is this: SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

    SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

    I think you are onto something. Is it possible though that the paradigm is beginning to show cracks?

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  86. utu says:
    @El Dato

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis.
     
    Not this AGAIN. Always the same drum. It's like wanting to not believe in genetic algorithms. Or the loss of antibiotics potency.

    Oh, Btw:

    Forget Sesame Street, scientists pretty much watched Big Bird evolve on Galápagos island: New finch species developed in just two generations

    Oh, Btw:

    “Among biologists, the criteria for qualifying as a new species, Mallet said, is “nearly arbitrary”. He said some biologists would not define crossbreed offspring as a new species, but he disagrees. The new lineage presented here has “all the characteristics of a species” including mating among their own kind and keeping ecologically separate.”

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  87. utu says:
    @Abe

    You know I like rap music as much as any nice, frightened Caucasian.
     
    --Jim Carrey, 1999 MTV Video Music Awards

    Retrospectively, heavy meal and pretty much all hard rock died as viable, non-niche musical forms at the 1997 MTV VMA's when Marilyn Manson turned his pasty, flabby asschecks to the wind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md2QNt--mDk

    Alternative music and grunge had pretty much self-imploded by then, and the somewhat magnetic image of the street-corner crack dealer (a showbiz concoction, of course) turned rap star in a $6 million music video drinking Dom Perignon in his white suit aboard his white yacht was just starting to take off and begin its multi-decade reign.

    Marilyn Manson of course had all the typical shock rock pseudo-Satanist trappings, but what you'll also notice is the nod-to-Nazism trope of the lightning bolt 'S' smattered all throughout his stage set. Manson of course succeeded in his plan of riling up flyover Christians, much to the delight of the coastal intelligentsia and media elite who were in on the game. So how come said sophisticated intelligentsia and media elite are so clueless and thin-skinned when neo-'Nazis' are coming out to troll them and push all their buttons 20 years later?

    So how come said sophisticated intelligentsia and media elite are so clueless and thin-skinned when neo-’Nazis’ are coming out to troll them and push all their buttons 20 years later?

    You have answered yourself few lines earlier. “Manson of course succeeded in his plan of riling up flyover Christians, much to the delight of the coastal intelligentsia and media elite who were in on the game. “

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  88. @a boy and his dog
    Metal is quintessentially geeky in the same way other male-dominated pursuits were before 'geek' was rewritten as shorthand for 'anyone who ever watched Star Wars once and enjoyed it'. Becoming a metal musician involves lots of sitting alone obsessively learning riffs and scales, some obscure and highly technical, and beyond that classifying and sorting equipment, t-shirts, album artwork, etc. You see the same obsessive categorization pursuit in pretty much any male-oriented subculture: sports fanaticism, Japanese who memorize trains and train schedules, HAM radio, gun nuts, etc. Punk is more performance based and doesn't require much talent or practice, like modern art, which is why it was easily invaded by zine-pushing SJWs. On the other hand Metal's DILLIGAF mentality makes it resistant to concern trolling and virtue signaling. Metal is still fairly popular considering how little you hear about it in mainstream media and has links to other manly subcultures like strength training and bikers.

    I wouldn’t mind betting these left-wing heavy metal fans and critics tend to favour bands that are more about image and energy than musical ability. Probably bands that mix punk and metal, like Rage Against the Machine and Napalm Death, and certainly not progressive metal bands like Dream Theater and Opeth. Left wing music critics always focus on image, lyrics, and emotion and dismiss technical ability and instrumental sophistication.

    Their probably aim is to make metal more socially self-conscious and more punk orientated in style. The left has been using this kind of tactic since the dada art scene started at end of WWI – attack virtuosity, aesthetic sophistication and apolitical attitudes, while promoting left-wing subversion and self-conscious posturing.

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    And example of a left-leaning metal sub-genre is grindcore, a mix of extreme punk and metal. Under the Wikipedia entry on grindcore it states:

    "Grindcore lyrics are typically provocative. A number of grindcore musicians are committed to political and ethical causes, generally leaning towards the far left in connection to grindcore's punk roots. For example, Napalm Death's songs address a variety of anarchist concerns, in the tradition of anarcho-punk. These themes include anti-racism, feminism, anti-militarism, and anti-capitalism. Other grindcore groups, such as Cattle Decapitation and Carcass, have expressed disgust with human behavior, animal abuse, and are, in some cases, vegetarians or vegans."

    There's even a Canadian grindcore band called Fuck the Facts. Probably the best name for a left-leaning rock band I've ever heard.

    , @reiner Tor
    RAtM mixed metal not with punk but with rap/hip-hop, didn’t it? In any event, I usually liked traditional and extreme metal, but I didn’t much like simple punk music or metal mixed with hip-hop.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Brilliant : Your observation of the grotesque "Dada" movement, which was augmented by the introduction of the hideous ( communistic) "Bauhaus" style into the US replacing the marvelous stonework of lovely neo/classical/neo-baroque architecture with homely cubical non-architecture.
    Every school-house in the US from the thirties onward having been constructed in this uninspiring crude mode.
    Germany , the gift which never stops giving.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  89. @unpc downunder
    I wouldn't mind betting these left-wing heavy metal fans and critics tend to favour bands that are more about image and energy than musical ability. Probably bands that mix punk and metal, like Rage Against the Machine and Napalm Death, and certainly not progressive metal bands like Dream Theater and Opeth. Left wing music critics always focus on image, lyrics, and emotion and dismiss technical ability and instrumental sophistication.

    Their probably aim is to make metal more socially self-conscious and more punk orientated in style. The left has been using this kind of tactic since the dada art scene started at end of WWI - attack virtuosity, aesthetic sophistication and apolitical attitudes, while promoting left-wing subversion and self-conscious posturing.

    And example of a left-leaning metal sub-genre is grindcore, a mix of extreme punk and metal. Under the Wikipedia entry on grindcore it states:

    “Grindcore lyrics are typically provocative. A number of grindcore musicians are committed to political and ethical causes, generally leaning towards the far left in connection to grindcore’s punk roots. For example, Napalm Death’s songs address a variety of anarchist concerns, in the tradition of anarcho-punk. These themes include anti-racism, feminism, anti-militarism, and anti-capitalism. Other grindcore groups, such as Cattle Decapitation and Carcass, have expressed disgust with human behavior, animal abuse, and are, in some cases, vegetarians or vegans.”

    There’s even a Canadian grindcore band called Fuck the Facts. Probably the best name for a left-leaning rock band I’ve ever heard.

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    However, both Napalm Death and Carcass left grindcore and became ordinary death metal bands, with Carcass eventually moving in a highly melodic, traditional metal sound (though they kept the growling vocals). Pantera, though not simple, emphasized groove and energetic rhythms, yet they were probably the most right wing of the big (several million records sold) metal bands ever.
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  90. NiKm says:

    From the first article

    George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager

    Not even white hispanic anymore.

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  91. Yngvar says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The punk rock movement was roughly half-Jewish. Of the three punk bands I mentioned that played around with Nazi imagery, the Ramones were half Jewish (Joey the singer and Tommy the first drummer/manager), the Sex Pistol's manager/idea man Malcolm McClaren was half Jewish, and Mick Jones, founder of the Clash was, I believe, half-Jewish (Joe Strummer was something like 1/8th Jewish, and more Armenian).

    So, it was all kind of an inside joke. And all three bands knocked off with the Nazi stuff within about a year. I vaguely recall that perhaps Strummer and Bernard Rhodes, the Jewish manager of the Clash, took a stand against it and maybe that shamed the others into cutting it out?

    Left wing militarism became more of a thing in the late 1970s as Strummer's influence grew. (By the way, Strummer was not a nice guy. Nothing to do with politics ...)

    Gabber is neo-nazi punk.

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  92. biz says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What’s the motivation behind the SJWization?
     
    There is an answer to that, but I don't think many people will believe me when I say it.

    It is owning to the same reason that Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis. There is no way to say anything about biology without adverting to the paradigm. And this, not because it is a powerful explanatory mechanism or because it is enforced by a scientific orthodoxy, but because the mind of man does not really desire otherwise. Having arrived at a means of arranging their data and styling their utterances, no one even thinks to question the template. It is baked into the act of thinking as the will to think becomes "the will to think according to program."

    SJWism is the template of all contemporary social commentary. It doesn't mater what the commentary is actually about. Whether you're writing about heavy metal, or about sanitation at a New England dairy farm, or about maritime law in the Lesser Antilles, the result is the same: the mere act of writing results in the template appearing fully formed in the final product, consciously or not.

    This is something governed by the spirit of the times and is not a result simply of the educational establishment or the media propounding political correctness. Consequently it cannot be changed by renewing those institutions. The institutions exist only for the sake of the paradigm, and the paradigm exists because it answers to the psychological need of people to compartmentalize the terrors of life while making themselves out to be competent, authoritative, and concerned, which are the vital and necessary masks of any gregarious creature.

    For the stark truth of the matter is this: SJWism may be factually inaccurate and shallow nonsense, but it is currently shielding us from fully confronting the horrors of mass inequality and anomie. Once it is removed, the result will be chaos and violence.

    Darwinism retains broad intellectual currency despite being an unproven and literally impossible hypothesis

    In the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, the next time you need antibiotics please insist on one of the disused ones that the doctors are erroneously insisting that bacteria have evolved immunity to.

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  93. lavoisier says: • Website

    This is the problem with the white liberal readers of the New York Times. They think that any white person who is not fully on board with open borders, the benefits of diversity, and the egalitarian fantasy is a psychopathic racist looking to fire up the ovens.

    These virtuous white liberals cannot fathom the idea that white people may have ethnic interests like any other ethnic group, and that those interests include preserving their culture and their civilization.

    I have known many readers of the New York Times who are committed to the egalitarian cause come hell or high water. They simply cannot imagine why anyone might have legitimate reasons for not wanting their country to be inundated with the Third World.

    Brain dead white liberals are dangerous to a sane and functioning society.

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  94. @unpc downunder
    And example of a left-leaning metal sub-genre is grindcore, a mix of extreme punk and metal. Under the Wikipedia entry on grindcore it states:

    "Grindcore lyrics are typically provocative. A number of grindcore musicians are committed to political and ethical causes, generally leaning towards the far left in connection to grindcore's punk roots. For example, Napalm Death's songs address a variety of anarchist concerns, in the tradition of anarcho-punk. These themes include anti-racism, feminism, anti-militarism, and anti-capitalism. Other grindcore groups, such as Cattle Decapitation and Carcass, have expressed disgust with human behavior, animal abuse, and are, in some cases, vegetarians or vegans."

    There's even a Canadian grindcore band called Fuck the Facts. Probably the best name for a left-leaning rock band I've ever heard.

    However, both Napalm Death and Carcass left grindcore and became ordinary death metal bands, with Carcass eventually moving in a highly melodic, traditional metal sound (though they kept the growling vocals). Pantera, though not simple, emphasized groove and energetic rhythms, yet they were probably the most right wing of the big (several million records sold) metal bands ever.

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  95. @unpc downunder
    I wouldn't mind betting these left-wing heavy metal fans and critics tend to favour bands that are more about image and energy than musical ability. Probably bands that mix punk and metal, like Rage Against the Machine and Napalm Death, and certainly not progressive metal bands like Dream Theater and Opeth. Left wing music critics always focus on image, lyrics, and emotion and dismiss technical ability and instrumental sophistication.

    Their probably aim is to make metal more socially self-conscious and more punk orientated in style. The left has been using this kind of tactic since the dada art scene started at end of WWI - attack virtuosity, aesthetic sophistication and apolitical attitudes, while promoting left-wing subversion and self-conscious posturing.

    RAtM mixed metal not with punk but with rap/hip-hop, didn’t it? In any event, I usually liked traditional and extreme metal, but I didn’t much like simple punk music or metal mixed with hip-hop.

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  96. I find the trajectory of the death metal band Death interesting. It started out as one of the first (or probably the first) death metal band ever, which means it was musically one of the most extreme metal bands at the time. Its logo contained an inverted cross. However, as the band progressed, its music evolved in a progressive direction, becoming ever more complex and melodic (though it kept the aggressive sound and the growling vocals). After a couple albums the lead singer/guitarist Chuck Schuldiner (btw half Jewish) changed the inverted cross into a more regular T (somewhat reminiscent of a taller Prussian cross), so as to remove (anti-)religious symbology.

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  97. Anon87 says:
    @Jean Ralphio
    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    Agree. After years of listening to metal and lyrics of the most hateful, gory, violent variety, I find it strange the amount of PC I read in magazines and online now. It’s hipster AVClub-like reviews finding everything “problematic”. It’s metal! How can anyone be shocked, shocked when the content is young male focused and ends up being offensive?

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  98. Anon87 says:
    @Jean Ralphio
    I'm a lifelong metal head and I started noticing sjw articles appearing on metal sites about two years ago. Lame, but predictable. It's an almost all white genre of music, both performers and fans, although metal is also really popular in South America. I went to an Iron Maiden show in Dallas last June and it was middle aged white guy heaven, with about 10,000 in attendance at American Airlines arena. Anyway, not surprising they'd go after metal cause it's so white, but it hasn't been remotely mainstream for a lone time.

    For an example, check out Power Trip calling out Gavin’s “Proud Boys”.

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  99. Svigor says:

    As a longtime D&D Dungeon Master, I feel for this guy. We too have had our little corner of nerddom (and Metal has always been essentially nerdy, even back to the ’70s) devastated by the SJWs.

    The SJW seems very grass-roots among roleplayers. Anybody to the right of Mao had better keep his thoughts to himself on a typical RPG forum, or get ready to do less posting, and more reading, by way of a ban. The centrist communists are the far-right among roleplayers.

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  100. Buddy Rich once commented that rock drummers were “animals”, a euphemism with which I whole-heartedly agree.
    As a musician, a jazz player with fifty-plus years under my belt, I still am fear-struck when confronted with a situation in which I will have to deal with a new drummer, and the vageries involving such a scenario, namely having one’s ears blasted out, and pushing the tempo so as to lose the band without the consideration that most musicians work with their fingers, excepting bone-players and harmonica artists.
    I actually played with a drummer who was so fucking loud that he wore ear-plugs, and apparently he did not give a shit about the rest of the band as long as he did not suffer from his own outrageous volume.
    And all of this in light of the fact that jazz drummers are usually far more subtile and refined than their barbaristic non-musical rock cousins.
    Oh yeah, almost forgot : I shared an appartment for twelve years with a world-class (black) trapsman who actually knew Rich personally.
    Bottom line is : I detest rock/metal drumming more than I can express in words, and almost as much as I detest : Rap.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    Ginger Baker said that he had to tape the sticks to his hands to hold onto them to play loud enough to be heard through wee Jack Bruce's very amplified bass. One solution for him was to play behind a plexiglass curtain to keep those bass notes at bay. That worked for the original Super Group, Cream.
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  101. @unpc downunder
    I wouldn't mind betting these left-wing heavy metal fans and critics tend to favour bands that are more about image and energy than musical ability. Probably bands that mix punk and metal, like Rage Against the Machine and Napalm Death, and certainly not progressive metal bands like Dream Theater and Opeth. Left wing music critics always focus on image, lyrics, and emotion and dismiss technical ability and instrumental sophistication.

    Their probably aim is to make metal more socially self-conscious and more punk orientated in style. The left has been using this kind of tactic since the dada art scene started at end of WWI - attack virtuosity, aesthetic sophistication and apolitical attitudes, while promoting left-wing subversion and self-conscious posturing.

    Brilliant : Your observation of the grotesque “Dada” movement, which was augmented by the introduction of the hideous ( communistic) “Bauhaus” style into the US replacing the marvelous stonework of lovely neo/classical/neo-baroque architecture with homely cubical non-architecture.
    Every school-house in the US from the thirties onward having been constructed in this uninspiring crude mode.
    Germany , the gift which never stops giving.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  102. Ivy says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Buddy Rich once commented that rock drummers were "animals", a euphemism with which I whole-heartedly agree.
    As a musician, a jazz player with fifty-plus years under my belt, I still am fear-struck when confronted with a situation in which I will have to deal with a new drummer, and the vageries involving such a scenario, namely having one's ears blasted out, and pushing the tempo so as to lose the band without the consideration that most musicians work with their fingers, excepting bone-players and harmonica artists.
    I actually played with a drummer who was so fucking loud that he wore ear-plugs, and apparently he did not give a shit about the rest of the band as long as he did not suffer from his own outrageous volume.
    And all of this in light of the fact that jazz drummers are usually far more subtile and refined than their barbaristic non-musical rock cousins.
    Oh yeah, almost forgot : I shared an appartment for twelve years with a world-class (black) trapsman who actually knew Rich personally.
    Bottom line is : I detest rock/metal drumming more than I can express in words, and almost as much as I detest : Rap.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Ginger Baker said that he had to tape the sticks to his hands to hold onto them to play loud enough to be heard through wee Jack Bruce’s very amplified bass. One solution for him was to play behind a plexiglass curtain to keep those bass notes at bay. That worked for the original Super Group, Cream.

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