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  1. BenKenobi says:

    Called it!

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  2. Trelane says:

    Taylor asked the orangutan Dr. Zaius what he would find in the Forbidden Zone. And Dr. Zaius replied, “your destiny”

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    I thought it was the chimpanzee played by Roddy McDowell, Cornelius, who asked Dr. Zaius, "What will he find out there, Doctor?" to which Dr. Zaius replied, "His destiny." Taylor rides along the shore believing he's still on a different planet. It's only when he sees the wreckage of the Statue of Liberty that he says, "My God, I'm home."
    , @Diversity Heretic
    It's been a while since I saw the movie, but I do think Dr. Zaius warns Taylor not to go into the Forbidden Zone, saying something along the lines of "You may not like what you find."
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  3. Your third millennium jeremiad isn’t going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn’t get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

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    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Troll: IHTG, Clyde
    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    Langobardia is great because it had all of Nova Germania (otherwise known as 'The West') behind it for 1300 years. Who will stand behind America and The West going forward?
    , @Verymuchalive
    If Lombardy gets overrun by Arab Muslims, they'll push the present population out and Lombardy will quickly resemble North Africa. If it's Black Africans, the consequence will be West Africa.
    Your analogy of the peaceful intermingling of people of the same race and ethnic group in their native country, Italy, with what's going on now is wrong-headed and stupid.
    , @Maz
    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It's rather sordid but it's not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.
    , @Franz Liszt von Leakey
    Your analysis is glaringly wrong for not noting differential reproduction rates between different groups. Surely the Hispanic invasion of USA contains a core constituency that reproduces in far greater numbers than the Lombardis. Especially over the generations those types of populations truly explode. This will have a dystopian effect in that instead of one or two "armpit" towns it's all basically "Piedras Negras".
    , @pyrrhus
    Like most 3d worlders, you are math challenged....
    , @dearieme
    Before I turned 25 the strongest racist tirade I'd ever heard was from a bunch of northern Italians talking about Southerners. Yet Italy survives that antagonism. It remains to be seen whether she survives her recent immigrants.

    The strongest religious tirade I'd heard was from a Swiss Protestant talking about Swiss Roman Catholics. Switzerland, of course, seems likely to survive anything - until she's overwhelmed by a jihad from the Islamic Republic of Germany.
    , @attilathehen
    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.
    , @Autochthon
    I've lived in Sicily, and I now live in occupied America. Your comparison of their populations is misplaced. It is so terribly muddle-headed, that, like the famous paper by the novice physicist Mr. Derbyshire cited recently, it is not only not right – it's not even wrong.
    , @Lurker
    Troll detected!
    , @Dumbo
    Sicily is not too bad, except for the mafia crap. Anyway the comparison with Lombardy is far fetched. Look at Lombardy? Why not look at Latin America which is closer and is more similar.

    I think it's more likely that the US will become a better version of Mexico. With many more Whites and Asians in the elite, but still with a majority of mixed Mestizo population.

    The US may avoid the violence of the cartels, as the production of drugs will continue to take place in Latin America instead of in the USA, but the country will have more and more poverty, littering, petty crime, drunk driving, and other third world problems. Standard of living will decrease for the majority, although it may increase for the elite.

    As for Europe, their only chance is to fight for survival. They don't have the same space as the USA, and their immigrants are not interested in assimilating and are not even following the same religion.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Italy is not a case study of success.
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  4. @Trelane
    Taylor asked the orangutan Dr. Zaius what he would find in the Forbidden Zone. And Dr. Zaius replied, "your destiny"

    I thought it was the chimpanzee played by Roddy McDowell, Cornelius, who asked Dr. Zaius, “What will he find out there, Doctor?” to which Dr. Zaius replied, “His destiny.” Taylor rides along the shore believing he’s still on a different planet. It’s only when he sees the wreckage of the Statue of Liberty that he says, “My God, I’m home.”

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    Either way, he winds up alone with 'Nova' (Linda Harrison)-- and she cannot speak! Talk about paradise!!
    , @Trelane
    You're of course right.

    Script: https://sfy.ru/?script=poa_1968

    ZAIUS- That's correct. And you will both stand trial for heresy.
    ZIRA- But the proof? The doll?
    ZAIUS- In a few minutes there will be no doll. There can't be. I'm sorry.

    Fake news from the Planet of the Apes!
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  5. D. K. says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I thought it was the chimpanzee played by Roddy McDowell, Cornelius, who asked Dr. Zaius, "What will he find out there, Doctor?" to which Dr. Zaius replied, "His destiny." Taylor rides along the shore believing he's still on a different planet. It's only when he sees the wreckage of the Statue of Liberty that he says, "My God, I'm home."

    Either way, he winds up alone with ‘Nova’ (Linda Harrison)– and she cannot speak! Talk about paradise!!

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    • Replies: @Anon
    They can still be annoying.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Linda Harrison
     
    LOL. One of the most stunningly beautiful women in cinematography, though.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Man, she was hot.
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  6. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Langobardia is great because it had all of Nova Germania (otherwise known as ‘The West’) behind it for 1300 years. Who will stand behind America and The West going forward?

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  7. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    If Lombardy gets overrun by Arab Muslims, they’ll push the present population out and Lombardy will quickly resemble North Africa. If it’s Black Africans, the consequence will be West Africa.
    Your analogy of the peaceful intermingling of people of the same race and ethnic group in their native country, Italy, with what’s going on now is wrong-headed and stupid.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Your premise that northern Italians and southern Italians are the same ethnic group is wrong-headed and stupid.

    Race, sure, but north Africans are the same race as Italians too.
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  8. Maz says:
    @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It’s rather sordid but it’s not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.

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    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It’s rather sordid but it’s not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.
     
    The cruel fact is that nature abhors a vacuum. The primary responsibility lies within, with the native peoples here, Europe, Australia, Canada not maintaining marriages and birthrates. The Muslim strategy includes stable marriages with cloistered wives, giving high birthrates. Abortion is outlawed in Muslim nations. Africans reproducing with no discipline, this also works for purposes of flooding Europe.
    If I ran a Western nation I would simply wall it off 1oo% like an exclusive country club, and let the chips fall where they may.
    , @G Pinfold
    I agree with your point, but why the term 'Western Civilisation'. Why not call it European, Christian or even White. By talking as if there is something called The West (which ought to be defended), are we not playing into the hands of the McCain/Clinton Russophobes?
    I realise this is off topic, but there is scarcely a thread on this blog where people don't make well-meaning references to the West, and Western Civilisation.
    There is no West ffs. The Berlin Wall fell 25 years ago. and a lot has transpired since then.
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  9. Olorin says:

    Nice. But I doubt that beaches that close to salt water will ever actually be silent.

    The little survivors of Chixulub will make sure of that.

    Then there’s all the squeaky furred Happy Meals.

    I for one welcome the New Jurassic if we’re stupid enough to get the Holocene this wrong.

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    The little survivors of Chixulub will make sure of that.
     
    Chixulub? Once again, it's the Mexicans at fault.
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  10. @Trelane
    Taylor asked the orangutan Dr. Zaius what he would find in the Forbidden Zone. And Dr. Zaius replied, "your destiny"

    It’s been a while since I saw the movie, but I do think Dr. Zaius warns Taylor not to go into the Forbidden Zone, saying something along the lines of “You may not like what you find.”

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  11. Clyde says:
    @Maz
    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It's rather sordid but it's not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.

    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It’s rather sordid but it’s not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.

    The cruel fact is that nature abhors a vacuum. The primary responsibility lies within, with the native peoples here, Europe, Australia, Canada not maintaining marriages and birthrates. The Muslim strategy includes stable marriages with cloistered wives, giving high birthrates. Abortion is outlawed in Muslim nations. Africans reproducing with no discipline, this also works for purposes of flooding Europe.
    If I ran a Western nation I would simply wall it off 1oo% like an exclusive country club, and let the chips fall where they may.

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    Japan.
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  12. G Pinfold says:
    @Maz
    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It's rather sordid but it's not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.

    I agree with your point, but why the term ‘Western Civilisation’. Why not call it European, Christian or even White. By talking as if there is something called The West (which ought to be defended), are we not playing into the hands of the McCain/Clinton Russophobes?
    I realise this is off topic, but there is scarcely a thread on this blog where people don’t make well-meaning references to the West, and Western Civilisation.
    There is no West ffs. The Berlin Wall fell 25 years ago. and a lot has transpired since then.

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    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    And if European, Christian and White seem too unPC, then how about Northern civ and The North?
    , @Maz
    Because I believe that the division between Western and Orthodox civilizations, as delineaned by Huntington for example, is very meaningful. That Westerners would look to Russia for leadership is absurd.
    , @snorlax
    The term "Western civilization" is many hundreds of years old, and like genders it includes anyone who identifies with it.

    Seeing as Russians continue to murder each other at the rate of American blacks and have an HIV infection rate higher than Liberia, they are not as of yet a civilized country.
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  13. G Pinfold says:
    @G Pinfold
    I agree with your point, but why the term 'Western Civilisation'. Why not call it European, Christian or even White. By talking as if there is something called The West (which ought to be defended), are we not playing into the hands of the McCain/Clinton Russophobes?
    I realise this is off topic, but there is scarcely a thread on this blog where people don't make well-meaning references to the West, and Western Civilisation.
    There is no West ffs. The Berlin Wall fell 25 years ago. and a lot has transpired since then.

    And if European, Christian and White seem too unPC, then how about Northern civ and The North?

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  14. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Your analysis is glaringly wrong for not noting differential reproduction rates between different groups. Surely the Hispanic invasion of USA contains a core constituency that reproduces in far greater numbers than the Lombardis. Especially over the generations those types of populations truly explode. This will have a dystopian effect in that instead of one or two “armpit” towns it’s all basically “Piedras Negras”.

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  16. This is true of Muslim immigrants who are hostile and get even more hostile to the host in the second generation, but not others. Look at Caribbeans in the UK. While most here are very negative about black assimilation British Caribbeans are far advanced in this process, so much so that they will become absorbed eventually into the majority and disappear as a racial minority.

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    Wishful thinking indeed.
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  17. AndrewR says:
    @Verymuchalive
    If Lombardy gets overrun by Arab Muslims, they'll push the present population out and Lombardy will quickly resemble North Africa. If it's Black Africans, the consequence will be West Africa.
    Your analogy of the peaceful intermingling of people of the same race and ethnic group in their native country, Italy, with what's going on now is wrong-headed and stupid.

    Your premise that northern Italians and southern Italians are the same ethnic group is wrong-headed and stupid.

    Race, sure, but north Africans are the same race as Italians too.

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    North Africans are not the same race as Italians. Today's North Africans are mostly black. Depending on the country, only about 10-15% of North Africans are Caucasians. When the Muslims took over North Africa (which had been entirely Caucasian and Christian), they introduced black slavery, polygamy and concubinage. That is why North African IQ is about 83. They are not related at all to the Italians. The original peoples were destroyed by miscegenation.
    , @Verymuchalive
    Northern and Southern Italians are racially and genetically very close. They speak a variety of dialects derived from Latin. Nearly all are able to understand standard Italian and share a common culture and history going back thousands of years. Whether you consider them one ethnic group or several closely related ones is splitting hairs.
    Some North Africans are indeed closely related to Italians. North Africa was Roman Provinces for hundreds of years. Many Roman Colonists went to Provence and Spain, but also what is now Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. Less went to Morocco.
    However, outside Egypt, most North Africans are Berbers or Mixed Race. Berbers are Caucasian, but quite distinctive physically and genetically from Italians and other Europeans. After the Arab Conquest ( 7th-8th Century AD ), the Trans-Sahara slave trade started and many millions of North Africans are mixed race as a result.
    Regardless of what category you want to place non-Egyptian North Africans in, there are no indigenous Christians. ( Copts are Egyptian). All speak forms of Arabic or a Berber language. Islam is universal.
    Culturally or historically, there is no bond or link with Italy now.
    Time you read some history, Master Andrew.
    See Emmet Scott, Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited
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  18. Calogero says:

    When people talk about the Latin-Americanization of the U.S. I only wish it would be like Argentina but it will probably be like Venezuela. Then again, I’d much rather the U.S. remain like the U.S.

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    With internal migration from the interior provinces and external immigration from places like Paraguay, Peru, and Bolivia, Argentina 2017 is getting farther and farther away from the 'Little Europe' that the Argentina of 1950 or even 1980 was.
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  19. pyrrhus says:
    @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Like most 3d worlders, you are math challenged….

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    Like most 3d worlders, you are math challenged….
     
    He also overlooks, as I often used to do, the differential reproduction rates between white duds and vibrant cads. African-American men are notorious for their (pretty successful, if you think about it) reproductive strategy of knocking up one girl, disappearing & never paying child support, and going on to knock up the next. (Drake: "Boo hoo, sad story. African-American dad story.") Which would lead to a much bigger IQ hit, since every generation would have less paternal white DNA than the one before.

    Or, to put it in another perspective:

    White guy sees white girl, future flashes before his eyes involving:

    $10,000+ 1.0 carat diamond wedding ring
    $500,000 mortgage for house in the suburbs with "good" schools and spare bedroom for her yoga mat
    10,000 total diapers bought
    $20,000 total lifetime expenditures vacationing at Disney World
    $300,000/kid college tuition
    $20,000/kid post-college "launch" gift to buy car, furnish apartment, etc.

    Vibrant guy sees white girl, future flashes before his eyes involving:

    $125 for new sneakers to dinner-date at Sizzlers (she buys)
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  20. Anonym says:

    Apropos. “But at least I still have the constitution!”

    ttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkIUaWUUUAAkLQH.jpg

    I am not sure whether I was the impetus behind Steve’s sojourn into civilizational collapse, but I like to think so. Cheers Steve!

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/i-would-wouldnt-i/#comment-1772788

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  21. Maz says:
    @G Pinfold
    I agree with your point, but why the term 'Western Civilisation'. Why not call it European, Christian or even White. By talking as if there is something called The West (which ought to be defended), are we not playing into the hands of the McCain/Clinton Russophobes?
    I realise this is off topic, but there is scarcely a thread on this blog where people don't make well-meaning references to the West, and Western Civilisation.
    There is no West ffs. The Berlin Wall fell 25 years ago. and a lot has transpired since then.

    Because I believe that the division between Western and Orthodox civilizations, as delineaned by Huntington for example, is very meaningful. That Westerners would look to Russia for leadership is absurd.

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    Fair enough. Your position calls for the specific term 'Western'. But many people who use the term Western (out of habit) have either no views on the Orthodox schism or have a relatively benign view of the Eastern Orthodox church.
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  22. dearieme says:
    @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Before I turned 25 the strongest racist tirade I’d ever heard was from a bunch of northern Italians talking about Southerners. Yet Italy survives that antagonism. It remains to be seen whether she survives her recent immigrants.

    The strongest religious tirade I’d heard was from a Swiss Protestant talking about Swiss Roman Catholics. Switzerland, of course, seems likely to survive anything – until she’s overwhelmed by a jihad from the Islamic Republic of Germany.

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  23. snorlax says:
    @G Pinfold
    I agree with your point, but why the term 'Western Civilisation'. Why not call it European, Christian or even White. By talking as if there is something called The West (which ought to be defended), are we not playing into the hands of the McCain/Clinton Russophobes?
    I realise this is off topic, but there is scarcely a thread on this blog where people don't make well-meaning references to the West, and Western Civilisation.
    There is no West ffs. The Berlin Wall fell 25 years ago. and a lot has transpired since then.

    The term “Western civilization” is many hundreds of years old, and like genders it includes anyone who identifies with it.

    Seeing as Russians continue to murder each other at the rate of American blacks and have an HIV infection rate higher than Liberia, they are not as of yet a civilized country.

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    As I said, the term 'Western Civilization' is best left to propositional nation types and Russia haters.
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  24. Tiny Duck says:

    I was watching CNN and it was stated that the actual stats show that most crime is committed by far right groups

    We NEED more people of color immigrants. It is the only way to kill white supremacy

    I hope white girls give birth to Children of Color and convert to Islam

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    We need to protect peoples of color, and gays and Mohammedans, from Whitey. The only way to do that is ton force Whitey, certainly his most conservative two-thirds or so, to live totally isolated from the peoples of color.
    , @Joe Walker
    Still haven't recovered from Hillary's loss have you?
    , @fish
    Hey.......!


    Unz.com has certain standards that it needs you to meet! If you aren't going to put any effort into it go troll somewhere else!
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  25. I have to say, its rather pathetic watching all of you quivering in fear at your coming destiny. Your ancestors are rolling in their graves.

    No worries we the inheritors of the west will show no mercy. We will seize your lands, your women and consign your race to the dustbin of history. I mean that’s the stereotype here right??

    I swear, most of the times, you lot are funny, but when this comes up, you become drooling cowards.

    Think it through, Nigeria for example has 180m people give or take. Nowhere else on earth has more than a million Nigerians. We like our country just fine.

    FFS men, seize the day, or you know stay cowering in the corner over the imagined barbarians at the gates. Even Rome put up more of a fight.

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    Chrisnonymous- I think that was not a TROLL, but actually more of a sort of tough-love pep talk.
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  26. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @D. K.
    Either way, he winds up alone with 'Nova' (Linda Harrison)-- and she cannot speak! Talk about paradise!!

    They can still be annoying.

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  27. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @D. K.
    Either way, he winds up alone with 'Nova' (Linda Harrison)-- and she cannot speak! Talk about paradise!!

    Linda Harrison

    LOL. One of the most stunningly beautiful women in cinematography, though.

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  28. Sean says:

    The movie was calling up the specter of WW3 but the huddles masses mentality would have caused it. Before Trump, immigration and its faithful companion of globalised-outsourcing economic mindset meant the US a generation hence being faced with the prospect of relegation to the level of Russia-with-Disneyland. If had it came to that (which it would) the emergent (Mearsheimer’s black box realism) attributes of as state would led to the US state have started a war, and none say how far they would have gone. assuming Trump has removed the danger of WW3., the remaining danger is going to be something a lot worse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

    It can only be the singularity. Scientist have longed to replace humans for a century

    J. D. Bernal … envisioned ‘an erasure of individuality and mortality’ in which human beings would cease to be distinct physical entities … ‘consciousness itself might end or vanish … becoming masses of atoms in space communicating by radiation, and ultimately perhaps resolving itself entirely into light.’

    Ray Kurzweil was head of engineering at the corporation which has the money and brains to put it into practice. The big tech companies need to be hamstrung. Making them actually pay their taxes would be a good way.

    “Ye elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves,
    And ye that on the sands with printless foot
    Do chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him
    When he comes back; you demi-puppets that
    By moonshine do the green sour ringlets make,
    Whereof the ewe not bites, and you whose pastime
    Is to make midnight mushrooms, that rejoice
    To hear the solemn curfew; by whose aid,
    Weak masters though ye be, I have bedimm’d
    The noontide sun, call’d forth the mutinous winds,
    And ‘twixt the green sea and the azured vault
    Set roaring war: to the dread rattling thunder
    Have I given fire and rifted Jove’s stout oak
    With his own bolt; the strong-based promontory
    Have I made shake and by the spurs pluck’d up
    The pine and cedar: graves at my command
    Have waked their sleepers, oped, and let ‘em forth
    By my so potent art. But this rough magic
    I here abjure, and, when I have required
    Some heavenly music, which even now I do,
    To work mine end upon their senses that
    This airy charm is for, I’ll break my staff,
    Bury it certain fathoms in the earth,
    And deeper than did ever plummet sound
    I’ll drown my book.”
    ― William Shakespeare, The Tempest

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  29. Luke Lea says:

    Isn’t this the movie in which Charlton Heston takes one look at the native’s primitive technology and says to his mates, “If this is all they’ve got, we’ll be running this place in six months.” ?

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  30. dearieme says:

    Surely it’s just a howler to imagine that “Western Civilisation” was confined to Western Europe? Wasn’t it originally intended to apply to Christendom? Projecting further back it was probably intended to refer to anywhere in Europe affected by Greek culture.

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  31. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.

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    Could you provide some evidence to back this up?
    , @Chrisnonymous

    There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful.
     
    Italians in America aren't Italians in Sicily--a possibly important point.
    , @Rapparee
    My unproved pet theory on this is that cousin-marriage is a big part of the reason Sicily is such a mess. It's hard to find specifics in English, but the Catholic Church's prohibition on consanguineous marriages appears to be governed by a special, more relaxed dispensation in Sicily. Perhaps this cultural practice was inherited from the Arabs?

    In any case, when Sicilians moved to the US, they stopped marrying into the same shallow gene pool from their little villages. Not only did they marry from other towns and provinces, but some even wed exotic spouses like Poles and Germans. A number of sources record that American-born Italians in the early 20th century seemed notably taller and healthier than their Sicilian-born parents. Partly this was nutrition, but less inbreeding would have helped, too.
    , @Look at Lombardy
    Italians earn salaries that are around the white average. Considering their concentration in the northeast where wages are higher, this likely means Italians are below the white average in terms of earnings. I don't have data for wealth but from looking at the Forbes 400, Italian names do not stand out. As 5-10% of the US population they are underrepresented. Looking at the Wikipedia list of Sicilian Americans which is quite extensive, there is not a single notable individual outside of entertainment other than Scalia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sicilian_Americans

    Italians are a successful group in the US as far as becoming a middle class people. Then again just about every ethnic group is successful in America in this regard. In America as long as you graduate high school, work full time, and don't pop out a kid before marriage, you will eventually be a middle class household.

    So there is something right about America. Southern Italians were able to succeed because they moved to a country created by other people with a system that allowed just about any ethnic group to succeed.
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  32. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    I’ve lived in Sicily, and I now live in occupied America. Your comparison of their populations is misplaced. It is so terribly muddle-headed, that, like the famous paper by the novice physicist Mr. Derbyshire cited recently, it is not only not right – it’s not even wrong.

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  33. @AndrewR
    Your premise that northern Italians and southern Italians are the same ethnic group is wrong-headed and stupid.

    Race, sure, but north Africans are the same race as Italians too.

    North Africans are not the same race as Italians. Today’s North Africans are mostly black. Depending on the country, only about 10-15% of North Africans are Caucasians. When the Muslims took over North Africa (which had been entirely Caucasian and Christian), they introduced black slavery, polygamy and concubinage. That is why North African IQ is about 83. They are not related at all to the Italians. The original peoples were destroyed by miscegenation.

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    Thank you mate. 1500 years ago, North Africans were Mediterranean or Berber Caucasians.
    The Roman Empire had brought them to a peak of sophistication. Even with oil, they're 3rd World countries now.
    , @Anonymous
    North Africans are not "mostly black". Black slavery in the Mideast and North Africa predates the Muslims. It was practiced by the Romans and Egyptians.

    The latest genetic research shows that the Muslim conquests did not really alter the genetics of the Mideast and North Africa.
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  34. Che says:
    @Calogero
    When people talk about the Latin-Americanization of the U.S. I only wish it would be like Argentina but it will probably be like Venezuela. Then again, I'd much rather the U.S. remain like the U.S.

    With internal migration from the interior provinces and external immigration from places like Paraguay, Peru, and Bolivia, Argentina 2017 is getting farther and farther away from the ‘Little Europe’ that the Argentina of 1950 or even 1980 was.

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  35. Lurker says:
    @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Troll detected!

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  36. “…on the sand, half sunk a shattered visage lies…
    …and on a pedestal these words appear…”

    Charlton must have done some serious digging to get to the Emma’s pedestal.

    Some heluva of Licentia Poetica

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  38. @D. K.
    Either way, he winds up alone with 'Nova' (Linda Harrison)-- and she cannot speak! Talk about paradise!!

    Man, she was hot.

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  39. As I said on the last post of this sort, that poem is very evocative, maybe my favorite ever. Very heavy post, Steve, very heavy ….

    from a post about tragedy impending I’m gonna move swiftly to a song about tragedy narrowly averted (it’s another in The Dead’s long list of tragedy songs, and there’s monkeys in it!):

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  40. @AndrewR
    Your premise that northern Italians and southern Italians are the same ethnic group is wrong-headed and stupid.

    Race, sure, but north Africans are the same race as Italians too.

    Northern and Southern Italians are racially and genetically very close. They speak a variety of dialects derived from Latin. Nearly all are able to understand standard Italian and share a common culture and history going back thousands of years. Whether you consider them one ethnic group or several closely related ones is splitting hairs.
    Some North Africans are indeed closely related to Italians. North Africa was Roman Provinces for hundreds of years. Many Roman Colonists went to Provence and Spain, but also what is now Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. Less went to Morocco.
    However, outside Egypt, most North Africans are Berbers or Mixed Race. Berbers are Caucasian, but quite distinctive physically and genetically from Italians and other Europeans. After the Arab Conquest ( 7th-8th Century AD ), the Trans-Sahara slave trade started and many millions of North Africans are mixed race as a result.
    Regardless of what category you want to place non-Egyptian North Africans in, there are no indigenous Christians. ( Copts are Egyptian). All speak forms of Arabic or a Berber language. Islam is universal.
    Culturally or historically, there is no bond or link with Italy now.
    Time you read some history, Master Andrew.
    See Emmet Scott, Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited

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  41. Dumbo says:
    @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Sicily is not too bad, except for the mafia crap. Anyway the comparison with Lombardy is far fetched. Look at Lombardy? Why not look at Latin America which is closer and is more similar.

    I think it’s more likely that the US will become a better version of Mexico. With many more Whites and Asians in the elite, but still with a majority of mixed Mestizo population.

    The US may avoid the violence of the cartels, as the production of drugs will continue to take place in Latin America instead of in the USA, but the country will have more and more poverty, littering, petty crime, drunk driving, and other third world problems. Standard of living will decrease for the majority, although it may increase for the elite.

    As for Europe, their only chance is to fight for survival. They don’t have the same space as the USA, and their immigrants are not interested in assimilating and are not even following the same religion.

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    Look at Lombardy? Why not look at Latin America which is closer and is more similar.
     
    There are two important variables. 1) What kind of system was created by the founding stock and 2) What are the current demographics.

    Look at the three most southern states of Brazil, very white, German and northern Italian. These states do better than the national average but are still third world (upper half). That's because the system put in place before they settled sucked.

    America has the advantage over Latin America of a good system.

    With many more Whites and Asians in the elite, but still with a majority of mixed Mestizo population.
     
    Race mixing will be much more extensive in America. Unlike in Latin America where the privileged stratum like being white and want their descendants to remain white. The American upper class regardless of party affiliation is about as far from white nationalist as possible and is open to race mixing.

    Latin America is flat out the wrong comparison and Lombardy is a window into the future of America.
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  42. Jake says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I was watching CNN and it was stated that the actual stats show that most crime is committed by far right groups

    We NEED more people of color immigrants. It is the only way to kill white supremacy

    I hope white girls give birth to Children of Color and convert to Islam

    We need to protect peoples of color, and gays and Mohammedans, from Whitey. The only way to do that is ton force Whitey, certainly his most conservative two-thirds or so, to live totally isolated from the peoples of color.

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  43. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Look at Lombardy
    This is true of Muslim immigrants who are hostile and get even more hostile to the host in the second generation, but not others. Look at Caribbeans in the UK. While most here are very negative about black assimilation British Caribbeans are far advanced in this process, so much so that they will become absorbed eventually into the majority and disappear as a racial minority.

    Wishful thinking indeed.

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  44. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.

    Could you provide some evidence to back this up?

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    Famous singers (Frank Sinatra), actresses (Sofia Loren), judges (Antonin Scalia), the list is endless.
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  45. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tiny Duck
    I was watching CNN and it was stated that the actual stats show that most crime is committed by far right groups

    We NEED more people of color immigrants. It is the only way to kill white supremacy

    I hope white girls give birth to Children of Color and convert to Islam

    Still haven’t recovered from Hillary’s loss have you?

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  46. @attilathehen
    North Africans are not the same race as Italians. Today's North Africans are mostly black. Depending on the country, only about 10-15% of North Africans are Caucasians. When the Muslims took over North Africa (which had been entirely Caucasian and Christian), they introduced black slavery, polygamy and concubinage. That is why North African IQ is about 83. They are not related at all to the Italians. The original peoples were destroyed by miscegenation.

    Thank you mate. 1500 years ago, North Africans were Mediterranean or Berber Caucasians.
    The Roman Empire had brought them to a peak of sophistication. Even with oil, they’re 3rd World countries now.

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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The problem with Lazarus Poem is it’s too vague, which explains why NOT ENOUGH people have tried to come to America. Had she spelled things out more clearly, the population of the US would be 6 billion, as it should be since everyone should be in the ‘exceptional’ and ‘indispensable’ country, the absolute best in the world. Surely, it is better to be an American than anything else. So, why settle for less? Why not become a superior person by coming to the US and becoming best kind of person in the bestest nation. Why be stuck in inferior identity in an inferior nation? And don’t look back like Lot’s wife. The reason why the Ms. Liberty is in frozen state is because she turned around to gaze at the Old World once more.

    I think we need a new version of NEW COLOSSUS so that we can convince EVERYONE to come to America and become much better. Why stay behind in worthless nations amidst inferiority?

    And the poem should address every nation individually.

    For example…

    You there, Somalia,
    most worthless nation inhabited
    by total losers. You are so poor
    and idiotic because of your low IQ
    and primitive culture that isn’t worth
    the book it’s written on.
    You have no hope of creating any kind
    of modern nation because you are morons
    in a land without value. Your only hope
    of a good life is to come to America, leave
    your inferior country behind forever, and leech
    off white people who know how to create
    and run a modern economy. As a Somali, you’re
    a loser among other African losers. But as an
    ‘American’, you are part of a nation that is
    best and most supremacist in the world.

    Pathetic India,
    despite your recent advances, you know
    you’ll always be dirt poor. Too many people
    still pee and poo outdoors like barbarians.
    I saw the opening scene of SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
    and couldn’t watch any more. You Hindus are a
    sorry lot among your own kind. You’re too dirty,
    messy, corrupt, unscrupulous, and devious.
    India will have pockets of the rich, to be sure,
    but it will always be a hell for most people.
    And even if you have money,
    why would you want to live
    in a corrupt nation of snakes and leeches?
    Why not come to America where the air and water is cleaner?
    America may not consider its rivers sacred, but
    you’re better off diving into the Ohio River
    than the Ganges that is an open sewage of the offal
    of a billion Hindus. You Hindus eat too much curry and
    run a stinkpot nation. You are better off living under
    the rule and guidance of whites who do everything much better.

    Oh Mexico,
    you are pitiful and pathetic indeed.
    You were settled before the US
    and once hogged all the SW territories.
    But what have you done? The Spanish elites
    were corrupt, lacking in vision, and just built
    haciendas and lived like pigs. The subjugated
    natives just ate tortillas and chili and got stomach aches
    and the runs. Water is so bad in Mexico, most
    people just drink tequila, which partly explains why
    you’re so messed up.
    Admit it. You white Mexicans
    are sick of ruling over brown losers, and you brown Mexicans
    are sick of being ruled by Spanish jerks. With all those
    people, what did you present to the world?
    Tacos and Guillermo. Even Mexican talent like Cuaron
    and others would rather work in Hollywood than in Mexico.
    And Mexicans would rather pick lettuce and wash dishes
    in America than stay in Mexico. Why? Because
    you Mexicans can’t do anything right among your own kind.
    Admit it, you Mexicans are born-servants, and your destiny
    is to come to the US and become serfs of gringos, Jews, and Asians
    who will hire you to do menial jobs and change their kids’ diapers.
    So, leave your worthless loser nation and come to the US
    and serve gringo.

    Listen up, Nigeria.
    You guys made tons of money by capturing
    and selling black slaves to whites. Your kingdoms were loaded
    with gold and treasures. So, what did you do with it?
    You spent it on elephant ribs and bling. How is that blacks who
    were sold as slaves to America are now much better off
    than you Nigerians who sold the slaves and got paid most
    handsomely? I’ll tell you why.
    It’s because you Nigerians are so worthless and moronic.
    On your own, you only know boogie, chucking spears,
    shaking booty, and acting childish. Sure, blacks in the US act
    like that too, but they can at least leech off on the work
    and taxes of other groups. In contrast, you retards in Nigeria
    must live with and under fellow blacks who are so
    corrupt, violent, brutish, and idiotic. I mean what is your main
    economy? Email scams. So, leave your trashy stupid nation.
    Come to America and live under white rule because that’s the
    only chance you have a good life.

    Attention China,
    your economic growth in recent yrs have been impressive
    but you will never catch up to the US.
    You Chinese are too cruel. Just look how you treat dogs and
    eat cats. You are so gross that you even eat bbq rats and bugs.
    Your air is foul and people get sick from just breathing.
    Your rivers are cesspools. You Chinese have no understanding
    and love of nature, animals, and environment. You only
    care about materialism and greed.
    And your schools suck. They only teach rote memorization
    and drive many young ones nuts. It is no wonder
    that so many Chinese women wanna have kids in the US
    and gain citizenship. They are totally sick of the Chinese way
    that is all about corruption, repression, lies, and other nuttery.
    Mao killed tens of millions, but you cowardly Chinese still
    haven’t got the guts to speak the truth.
    So, give up on China and come to the US and live better lives.
    And only by living in the US will you become civilized and not eat dogs.
    Look at Amy Chua raises dogs, not eats them.

    O Canada,
    neighbor to the North. You act so holier than thou
    and always denounce America as violent and crazy.
    But everything you do is an imitation of America.
    Admit it, you just want to be an extension of America.
    At one time, you were almost all white. But you felt
    envious of America with its blacks. So, you decided
    to get blacks from Jamaica and increase crime.
    And then, US decided to take in tons of non-white immigrants,
    and you decided to do the same. Why? Cuz you imitate
    America and want to be just like it.
    And PC began in the US, and you took it and ran with it even more.
    So, everything you do is just a hyper-imitation of America.
    The logical solution is then to erase all borders between US and Canada
    and just make Canada a part of the US. That will hasten
    diversity and globalism even faster all across Canada.
    It’s so much easier to be part of America than to imitate America. ‘

    And every other nation also deserves a special address from the Statue of Lazarus.

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    You need to start your own blog, dude. This is good stuff! It takes a while, but I read through all of your comments.

    Of course, you can't be named "anon" anymore or nobody will remember it and confuse it with other people who think they are more anonymous by using the handle "anon" vs. I dunno "Achmed E. Newman" - not my real name, haha!


    Oh, "read" in the present tense - I have not read through all of your comment history (yet).

    , @Kyle McKenna
    Alas, all of those people bring their pestilences along with them, and soon there will be no more 'first world'. Except perhaps for Japan and Singapore.

    I'm on my phone so it's too much trouble to look up where you got that cut-and-paste, but the poor formatting sort of gives it away.

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  48. @Olorin
    Nice. But I doubt that beaches that close to salt water will ever actually be silent.

    The little survivors of Chixulub will make sure of that.

    Then there's all the squeaky furred Happy Meals.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/25/15/2AC7EE3D00000578-3174337-image-a-71_1437835830368.jpg

    I for one welcome the New Jurassic if we're stupid enough to get the Holocene this wrong.

    The little survivors of Chixulub will make sure of that.

    Chixulub? Once again, it’s the Mexicans at fault.

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    :D

    Well, that comet DID cross the earth's borders without documentation...then smash things up because it was in its nature to do so.

    Ergo this is a writ-massive lesson on how come borders must not be allowed. Without that smasharoo, we wouldn't have evolved.

    And that makes tracking of NEOs racist.

    Let our banners of open minds and open borders shine into the sky!

    Welcome, comets and asteroids!

    Bombardment is better than hate!

    No more planet privilege!

    Sentry is life supremacist!

    http://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/
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  49. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I was watching CNN and it was stated that the actual stats show that most crime is committed by far right groups

    We NEED more people of color immigrants. It is the only way to kill white supremacy

    I hope white girls give birth to Children of Color and convert to Islam

    Hey…….!

    Unz.com has certain standards that it needs you to meet! If you aren’t going to put any effort into it go troll somewhere else!

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    North Africans are not the same race as Italians. Today's North Africans are mostly black. Depending on the country, only about 10-15% of North Africans are Caucasians. When the Muslims took over North Africa (which had been entirely Caucasian and Christian), they introduced black slavery, polygamy and concubinage. That is why North African IQ is about 83. They are not related at all to the Italians. The original peoples were destroyed by miscegenation.

    North Africans are not “mostly black”. Black slavery in the Mideast and North Africa predates the Muslims. It was practiced by the Romans and Egyptians.

    The latest genetic research shows that the Muslim conquests did not really alter the genetics of the Mideast and North Africa.

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    Here I go again. St. Augustine, Hannibal, some of the first RCC popes were Caucasian North Africans. They had high IQs. The highest IQs are found among Caucasians. What destroys IQs? Miscegenation. Have you been to France? It's full of Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians and they look black because they are black. The Romans did not import black slaves. Black slavery took off when Islam conquered Northern Africa. Egypt was destroyed by Islam. The ancient Egyptians were Caucasians. They built the magnificent ruins we see today. What can modern Egyptians do? Nothing because they have low IQs because 85% of them are black (from light to dark skin). The same thing happened to India. The ancient Indians were Aryans. They were destroyed by mixing with Asians. Indian IQ is about 84. Dark skin is the number 1 sign of low IQ.
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  51. @Look at Lombardy
    Your third millennium jeremiad isn't going to come true. The combination of high levels of third world immigration and high level of race mixing between the second generation and the native stock will result in a country that is 80% whitish. Although the average IQ may decline by 3 points, this doesn't get in the way of maintaining a great country.

    Just look at Lombardy. Huge waves of people from the south migrated to the north and mixed with them. Lombardy is still great. It will be the same case in America.

    (Southern Italians although white are functionally non-white, third world. Without transfer payments from the north, the south would have a upper half third world standard of living.)

    Italy is not a case study of success.

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    "Chieh," Chinese. China is nothing compared to Italy. China is nothing compared to the West.
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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The key moral issue is not to care about refugees. It is to take care not to turn people into refugees.

    This is the big blindspot in MSM discourse. We hear “welcome refugees” but not “don’t bomb them into refugee-status”.

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  53. Classic…wish Hollywood would use some Sailer ideas for a film set in the future 200 years from now.

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  54. Ben Frank says:

    The media are obsessed with imaginary Russian support of the current administration.
    The media are being paid by China.

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  55. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Given the problem with gypsies that Europe has been having forever, you’d think they’d wise up and realize it’s not good to have large numbers of roaming peoples.

    But maybe Europeans figure the NEW ones will be better and replace the old ones. Or, maybe the new non-Europeans will be so wonderful that they will serve as inspiration for old non-Europeans(who arrived earlier) who’ve proven to be disappointing.

    It’s the NOVELTY that is appealing to Europeans. It’s like a woman who is never happy with the things she buys and are clogging up her closet.. but thinks she will be happy if she buys something NEW. Or a woman whose string of boyfriends she’s picked up at sleazy bars turned out to be all worthless… so she thinks the solution is to get a New one(the same way).

    So, when Europeans feel they’re stuck with an old problem, the solution is to get something NEW. Can’t fix the problems with Gypsies? How about trying Muslims and Africans?

    In a way, maybe it is related to European spirit of discovery. Looking for new lands and places than dealing with problems at home.
    Since the whole world has been discovered and claimed already, Europeans seek novelty by just taking in new peoples. Reverse-discovery. Have non-Europeans ‘discover’ Europe and empathetically share in their wide-eyed wonder.
    Soon, the new peoples become old peoples whose own problems only compound the mess.
    But then, the solution is more novelty with more new people.
    Noveltism is based on hope that something new, different, and exotic will be the fix. But the Noveltism renders everything new instantly into something old. Noveltism calls for more and more new stuff since it is addicted to the thrill of the New without any long-term consideration of its full value or real danger.

    We see in the US too. US still has problems with blacks. Lot of it. But hey, maybe if we bring exotic Somalis to America, that will be something new and wonderful. But Somalis are now an ‘old’ part of US landscape, and it’s not pretty.

    Maybe pgymies should be next.

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  56. Ben Frank says:

    You don’t turn on a machine without knowing how to turn it off. Yet people want to leave mass immigration turned on with no off switch.

    Suppose 3 out of 4 Yemenis want to stay home, and 3 out of 4 Sudanese. That means we get 6 million of the former and 10 million of the latter. Even if somehow they could settle in sanctuary cities, still it would be a disaster.

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  57. @attilathehen
    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.

    There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful.

    Italians in America aren’t Italians in Sicily–a possibly important point.

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    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn't Italian but Sicilian. To me he's still Italian. These are differences within Italy. But in the USA we consider them Italian, and they are very successful.
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  58. Rapparee says:
    @attilathehen
    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.

    My unproved pet theory on this is that cousin-marriage is a big part of the reason Sicily is such a mess. It’s hard to find specifics in English, but the Catholic Church’s prohibition on consanguineous marriages appears to be governed by a special, more relaxed dispensation in Sicily. Perhaps this cultural practice was inherited from the Arabs?

    In any case, when Sicilians moved to the US, they stopped marrying into the same shallow gene pool from their little villages. Not only did they marry from other towns and provinces, but some even wed exotic spouses like Poles and Germans. A number of sources record that American-born Italians in the early 20th century seemed notably taller and healthier than their Sicilian-born parents. Partly this was nutrition, but less inbreeding would have helped, too.

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  59. G Pinfold says:
    @Maz
    Because I believe that the division between Western and Orthodox civilizations, as delineaned by Huntington for example, is very meaningful. That Westerners would look to Russia for leadership is absurd.

    Fair enough. Your position calls for the specific term ‘Western’. But many people who use the term Western (out of habit) have either no views on the Orthodox schism or have a relatively benign view of the Eastern Orthodox church.

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  60. G Pinfold says:
    @snorlax
    The term "Western civilization" is many hundreds of years old, and like genders it includes anyone who identifies with it.

    Seeing as Russians continue to murder each other at the rate of American blacks and have an HIV infection rate higher than Liberia, they are not as of yet a civilized country.

    As I said, the term ‘Western Civilization’ is best left to propositional nation types and Russia haters.

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  61. @Chrisnonymous

    There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful.
     
    Italians in America aren't Italians in Sicily--a possibly important point.

    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn’t Italian but Sicilian. To me he’s still Italian. These are differences within Italy. But in the USA we consider them Italian, and they are very successful.

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    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn’t Italian but Sicilian.
     
    You used to hear Italians making this distinction more in the past, it was Mafia/gangster chic which has died down in recent years. Started after The Godfather movie enjoyed such great success. Don't hear it so often anymore.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    My point is that Italians who moved to America were a self-selected group. They might have characteristics in common that are not shared by all Italians. Not for sure, but possible.
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  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Somewhat OT: Guess who got caught donating 120K to CPAC. Yup, Facebook. I presume this is the usual influence buying that CEOs like to indulge in with every new administration, but I’m curious about how the left is going to react. I expect an explosion of weeping outrage and a boycott.

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  63. @Anon
    The problem with Lazarus Poem is it's too vague, which explains why NOT ENOUGH people have tried to come to America. Had she spelled things out more clearly, the population of the US would be 6 billion, as it should be since everyone should be in the 'exceptional' and 'indispensable' country, the absolute best in the world. Surely, it is better to be an American than anything else. So, why settle for less? Why not become a superior person by coming to the US and becoming best kind of person in the bestest nation. Why be stuck in inferior identity in an inferior nation? And don't look back like Lot's wife. The reason why the Ms. Liberty is in frozen state is because she turned around to gaze at the Old World once more.

    I think we need a new version of NEW COLOSSUS so that we can convince EVERYONE to come to America and become much better. Why stay behind in worthless nations amidst inferiority?

    And the poem should address every nation individually.

    For example...

    You there, Somalia,
    most worthless nation inhabited
    by total losers. You are so poor
    and idiotic because of your low IQ
    and primitive culture that isn't worth
    the book it's written on.
    You have no hope of creating any kind
    of modern nation because you are morons
    in a land without value. Your only hope
    of a good life is to come to America, leave
    your inferior country behind forever, and leech
    off white people who know how to create
    and run a modern economy. As a Somali, you're
    a loser among other African losers. But as an
    'American', you are part of a nation that is
    best and most supremacist in the world.

    Pathetic India,
    despite your recent advances, you know
    you'll always be dirt poor. Too many people
    still pee and poo outdoors like barbarians.
    I saw the opening scene of SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
    and couldn't watch any more. You Hindus are a
    sorry lot among your own kind. You're too dirty,
    messy, corrupt, unscrupulous, and devious.
    India will have pockets of the rich, to be sure,
    but it will always be a hell for most people.
    And even if you have money,
    why would you want to live
    in a corrupt nation of snakes and leeches?
    Why not come to America where the air and water is cleaner?
    America may not consider its rivers sacred, but
    you're better off diving into the Ohio River
    than the Ganges that is an open sewage of the offal
    of a billion Hindus. You Hindus eat too much curry and
    run a stinkpot nation. You are better off living under
    the rule and guidance of whites who do everything much better.

    Oh Mexico,
    you are pitiful and pathetic indeed.
    You were settled before the US
    and once hogged all the SW territories.
    But what have you done? The Spanish elites
    were corrupt, lacking in vision, and just built
    haciendas and lived like pigs. The subjugated
    natives just ate tortillas and chili and got stomach aches
    and the runs. Water is so bad in Mexico, most
    people just drink tequila, which partly explains why
    you're so messed up.
    Admit it. You white Mexicans
    are sick of ruling over brown losers, and you brown Mexicans
    are sick of being ruled by Spanish jerks. With all those
    people, what did you present to the world?
    Tacos and Guillermo. Even Mexican talent like Cuaron
    and others would rather work in Hollywood than in Mexico.
    And Mexicans would rather pick lettuce and wash dishes
    in America than stay in Mexico. Why? Because
    you Mexicans can't do anything right among your own kind.
    Admit it, you Mexicans are born-servants, and your destiny
    is to come to the US and become serfs of gringos, Jews, and Asians
    who will hire you to do menial jobs and change their kids' diapers.
    So, leave your worthless loser nation and come to the US
    and serve gringo.

    Listen up, Nigeria.
    You guys made tons of money by capturing
    and selling black slaves to whites. Your kingdoms were loaded
    with gold and treasures. So, what did you do with it?
    You spent it on elephant ribs and bling. How is that blacks who
    were sold as slaves to America are now much better off
    than you Nigerians who sold the slaves and got paid most
    handsomely? I'll tell you why.
    It's because you Nigerians are so worthless and moronic.
    On your own, you only know boogie, chucking spears,
    shaking booty, and acting childish. Sure, blacks in the US act
    like that too, but they can at least leech off on the work
    and taxes of other groups. In contrast, you retards in Nigeria
    must live with and under fellow blacks who are so
    corrupt, violent, brutish, and idiotic. I mean what is your main
    economy? Email scams. So, leave your trashy stupid nation.
    Come to America and live under white rule because that's the
    only chance you have a good life.

    Attention China,
    your economic growth in recent yrs have been impressive
    but you will never catch up to the US.
    You Chinese are too cruel. Just look how you treat dogs and
    eat cats. You are so gross that you even eat bbq rats and bugs.
    Your air is foul and people get sick from just breathing.
    Your rivers are cesspools. You Chinese have no understanding
    and love of nature, animals, and environment. You only
    care about materialism and greed.
    And your schools suck. They only teach rote memorization
    and drive many young ones nuts. It is no wonder
    that so many Chinese women wanna have kids in the US
    and gain citizenship. They are totally sick of the Chinese way
    that is all about corruption, repression, lies, and other nuttery.
    Mao killed tens of millions, but you cowardly Chinese still
    haven't got the guts to speak the truth.
    So, give up on China and come to the US and live better lives.
    And only by living in the US will you become civilized and not eat dogs.
    Look at Amy Chua raises dogs, not eats them.

    O Canada,
    neighbor to the North. You act so holier than thou
    and always denounce America as violent and crazy.
    But everything you do is an imitation of America.
    Admit it, you just want to be an extension of America.
    At one time, you were almost all white. But you felt
    envious of America with its blacks. So, you decided
    to get blacks from Jamaica and increase crime.
    And then, US decided to take in tons of non-white immigrants,
    and you decided to do the same. Why? Cuz you imitate
    America and want to be just like it.
    And PC began in the US, and you took it and ran with it even more.
    So, everything you do is just a hyper-imitation of America.
    The logical solution is then to erase all borders between US and Canada
    and just make Canada a part of the US. That will hasten
    diversity and globalism even faster all across Canada.
    It's so much easier to be part of America than to imitate America. '

    And every other nation also deserves a special address from the Statue of Lazarus.

    You need to start your own blog, dude. This is good stuff! It takes a while, but I read through all of your comments.

    Of course, you can’t be named “anon” anymore or nobody will remember it and confuse it with other people who think they are more anonymous by using the handle “anon” vs. I dunno “Achmed E. Newman” – not my real name, haha!

    Oh, “read” in the present tense – I have not read through all of your comment history (yet).

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  64. anonguy says:
    @attilathehen
    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn't Italian but Sicilian. To me he's still Italian. These are differences within Italy. But in the USA we consider them Italian, and they are very successful.

    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn’t Italian but Sicilian.

    You used to hear Italians making this distinction more in the past, it was Mafia/gangster chic which has died down in recent years. Started after The Godfather movie enjoyed such great success. Don’t hear it so often anymore.

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  65. @attilathehen
    I heard a Sicilian once say that he wasn't Italian but Sicilian. To me he's still Italian. These are differences within Italy. But in the USA we consider them Italian, and they are very successful.

    My point is that Italians who moved to America were a self-selected group. They might have characteristics in common that are not shared by all Italians. Not for sure, but possible.

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  66. Trelane says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I thought it was the chimpanzee played by Roddy McDowell, Cornelius, who asked Dr. Zaius, "What will he find out there, Doctor?" to which Dr. Zaius replied, "His destiny." Taylor rides along the shore believing he's still on a different planet. It's only when he sees the wreckage of the Statue of Liberty that he says, "My God, I'm home."

    You’re of course right.

    Script: https://sfy.ru/?script=poa_1968

    ZAIUS- That’s correct. And you will both stand trial for heresy.
    ZIRA- But the proof? The doll?
    ZAIUS- In a few minutes there will be no doll. There can’t be. I’m sorry.

    Fake news from the Planet of the Apes!

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  67. Abe says: • Website
    @pyrrhus
    Like most 3d worlders, you are math challenged....

    Like most 3d worlders, you are math challenged….

    He also overlooks, as I often used to do, the differential reproduction rates between white duds and vibrant cads. African-American men are notorious for their (pretty successful, if you think about it) reproductive strategy of knocking up one girl, disappearing & never paying child support, and going on to knock up the next. (Drake: “Boo hoo, sad story. African-American dad story.”) Which would lead to a much bigger IQ hit, since every generation would have less paternal white DNA than the one before.

    Or, to put it in another perspective:

    White guy sees white girl, future flashes before his eyes involving:

    $10,000+ 1.0 carat diamond wedding ring
    $500,000 mortgage for house in the suburbs with “good” schools and spare bedroom for her yoga mat
    10,000 total diapers bought
    $20,000 total lifetime expenditures vacationing at Disney World
    $300,000/kid college tuition
    $20,000/kid post-college “launch” gift to buy car, furnish apartment, etc.

    Vibrant guy sees white girl, future flashes before his eyes involving:

    $125 for new sneakers to dinner-date at Sizzlers (she buys)

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  68. Abe says: • Website
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    I have to say, its rather pathetic watching all of you quivering in fear at your coming destiny. Your ancestors are rolling in their graves.

    No worries we the inheritors of the west will show no mercy. We will seize your lands, your women and consign your race to the dustbin of history. I mean that's the stereotype here right??

    I swear, most of the times, you lot are funny, but when this comes up, you become drooling cowards.

    Think it through, Nigeria for example has 180m people give or take. Nowhere else on earth has more than a million Nigerians. We like our country just fine.

    FFS men, seize the day, or you know stay cowering in the corner over the imagined barbarians at the gates. Even Rome put up more of a fight.

    Chrisnonymous- I think that was not a TROLL, but actually more of a sort of tough-love pep talk.

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  69. MBlanc46 says:

    That is a troubling image. I understand that nothing is forever, but I’m concerned that what is depicted in this image might occur in this century.

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  70. @Dumbo
    Sicily is not too bad, except for the mafia crap. Anyway the comparison with Lombardy is far fetched. Look at Lombardy? Why not look at Latin America which is closer and is more similar.

    I think it's more likely that the US will become a better version of Mexico. With many more Whites and Asians in the elite, but still with a majority of mixed Mestizo population.

    The US may avoid the violence of the cartels, as the production of drugs will continue to take place in Latin America instead of in the USA, but the country will have more and more poverty, littering, petty crime, drunk driving, and other third world problems. Standard of living will decrease for the majority, although it may increase for the elite.

    As for Europe, their only chance is to fight for survival. They don't have the same space as the USA, and their immigrants are not interested in assimilating and are not even following the same religion.

    Look at Lombardy? Why not look at Latin America which is closer and is more similar.

    There are two important variables. 1) What kind of system was created by the founding stock and 2) What are the current demographics.

    Look at the three most southern states of Brazil, very white, German and northern Italian. These states do better than the national average but are still third world (upper half). That’s because the system put in place before they settled sucked.

    America has the advantage over Latin America of a good system.

    With many more Whites and Asians in the elite, but still with a majority of mixed Mestizo population.

    Race mixing will be much more extensive in America. Unlike in Latin America where the privileged stratum like being white and want their descendants to remain white. The American upper class regardless of party affiliation is about as far from white nationalist as possible and is open to race mixing.

    Latin America is flat out the wrong comparison and Lombardy is a window into the future of America.

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  71. @Joe Walker
    Could you provide some evidence to back this up?

    Famous singers (Frank Sinatra), actresses (Sofia Loren), judges (Antonin Scalia), the list is endless.

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    Sofia Loren is an Italian actress, born in Rome, now residing in Geneva, Switzerland (according to her Wikipedia.org entry); she is not an American, nor does she live in America (ibid). Sinatra's father, Marty, was born in the same Sicilian town as Charles 'Lucky' Luciano! Frank's mother, however, was born in Lumarzo, near Genoa-- and Frank got his intelligence, personality and character (such as they were!) from his mother, Dolly, not from the taciturn and ineffectual Marty.
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  72. @Daniel Chieh
    Italy is not a case study of success.

    “Chieh,” Chinese. China is nothing compared to Italy. China is nothing compared to the West.

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    China could probably destroy Italy with only its standoff weapons, for starters. China is leading in several fields of science, including genetic engineering and quantum satellites. China was ahead of the West of much of history too. The way things are going, it looks like China may have difficulties, but she is on an upswing. Italy, not so much.

    And now, I've officially participated in country e-peening. I feel a little dirty.

    I find it vaguely amusing that you seem intent on replying to me. Some sort of misguided affection, perhaps? Well, congratulations, here's your official mark of having gotten my attention :)

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  73. @Anonymous
    North Africans are not "mostly black". Black slavery in the Mideast and North Africa predates the Muslims. It was practiced by the Romans and Egyptians.

    The latest genetic research shows that the Muslim conquests did not really alter the genetics of the Mideast and North Africa.

    Here I go again. St. Augustine, Hannibal, some of the first RCC popes were Caucasian North Africans. They had high IQs. The highest IQs are found among Caucasians. What destroys IQs? Miscegenation. Have you been to France? It’s full of Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians and they look black because they are black. The Romans did not import black slaves. Black slavery took off when Islam conquered Northern Africa. Egypt was destroyed by Islam. The ancient Egyptians were Caucasians. They built the magnificent ruins we see today. What can modern Egyptians do? Nothing because they have low IQs because 85% of them are black (from light to dark skin). The same thing happened to India. The ancient Indians were Aryans. They were destroyed by mixing with Asians. Indian IQ is about 84. Dark skin is the number 1 sign of low IQ.

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    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

    Previous genetic studies have suggested a history of sub-Saharan African gene flow into some West Eurasian populations after the initial dispersal out of Africa that occurred at least 45,000 years ago. However, there has been no accurate characterization of the proportion of mixture, or of its date. We analyze genome-wide polymorphism data from about 40 West Eurasian groups to show that almost all Southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% African ancestry with an average mixture date of around 55 generations ago, consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations. Levantine groups harbor 4%–15% African ancestry with an average mixture date of about 32 generations ago, consistent with close political, economic, and cultural links with Egypt in the late middle ages. We also detect 3%–5% sub-Saharan African ancestry in all eight of the diverse Jewish populations that we analyzed. For the Jewish admixture, we obtain an average estimated date of about 72 generations. This may reflect descent of these groups from a common ancestral population that already had some African ancestry prior to the Jewish Diasporas.
     
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  74. @Abe
    Chrisnonymous- I think that was not a TROLL, but actually more of a sort of tough-love pep talk.

    It was.

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  75. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “…the term ‘Western Civilization’…”

    A long time ago in high school they used to teach the following. Another reason for “the West” being the part of Europe adjacent to Britain and suggestive of the division into western, central and eastern Europe (though not identical):

    Carolingian Empire, After the Treaty of Verdun”:

    “…Lothar received the Imperial title, the Kingship of Italy, and the territory between the Rhine and Rhone Rivers, collectively called the Central Frankish Realm. Louis was guaranteed the Kingship of all lands to the east of the Rhine and to the north and east of Italy, which was called the Eastern Frankish Realm which was the precursor to modern Germany. Charles received all lands west of the Rhone, which was called the Western Frankish Realm.”

    Map: The division of 843.

    Treaty of Verdun:

    “…The division of the Frankish realm by the Treaty of Verdun, carried out without any regard to linguistic and cultural continuities, resulted in conflicts in Western Europe until the 20th century.

    …Alsace-Lorraine was solidified as French territory, which it remains to this day, more than a thousand years after the Treaty of Verdun. The collapse of the Middle Frankish Kingdom also compounded the disunity of the Italian Peninsula, which persisted into the 19th century…”

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  76. @attilathehen
    Most Italian-Americans come from Southern Italy and Sicily. They are among the best educated and wealthiest of Americans. There must be something wrong in Italy as to why they are not successful. But they are very successful in the USA.

    Italians earn salaries that are around the white average. Considering their concentration in the northeast where wages are higher, this likely means Italians are below the white average in terms of earnings. I don’t have data for wealth but from looking at the Forbes 400, Italian names do not stand out. As 5-10% of the US population they are underrepresented. Looking at the Wikipedia list of Sicilian Americans which is quite extensive, there is not a single notable individual outside of entertainment other than Scalia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sicilian_Americans

    Italians are a successful group in the US as far as becoming a middle class people. Then again just about every ethnic group is successful in America in this regard. In America as long as you graduate high school, work full time, and don’t pop out a kid before marriage, you will eventually be a middle class household.

    So there is something right about America. Southern Italians were able to succeed because they moved to a country created by other people with a system that allowed just about any ethnic group to succeed.

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    The last time I checked race / hist / evol's ethnic breakdowns of the Forbes 400, 17 of the 400 billionaires had Italian surnames, or 4.25%. That's not insignificant.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    There's a serious consideration for self-selection bias, though, as with many immigrant groups.
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  77. @Look at Lombardy
    Italians earn salaries that are around the white average. Considering their concentration in the northeast where wages are higher, this likely means Italians are below the white average in terms of earnings. I don't have data for wealth but from looking at the Forbes 400, Italian names do not stand out. As 5-10% of the US population they are underrepresented. Looking at the Wikipedia list of Sicilian Americans which is quite extensive, there is not a single notable individual outside of entertainment other than Scalia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sicilian_Americans

    Italians are a successful group in the US as far as becoming a middle class people. Then again just about every ethnic group is successful in America in this regard. In America as long as you graduate high school, work full time, and don't pop out a kid before marriage, you will eventually be a middle class household.

    So there is something right about America. Southern Italians were able to succeed because they moved to a country created by other people with a system that allowed just about any ethnic group to succeed.

    The last time I checked race / hist / evol’s ethnic breakdowns of the Forbes 400, 17 of the 400 billionaires had Italian surnames, or 4.25%. That’s not insignificant.

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  78. Olorin says:
    @(((Owen)))

    The little survivors of Chixulub will make sure of that.
     
    Chixulub? Once again, it's the Mexicans at fault.

    :D

    Well, that comet DID cross the earth’s borders without documentation…then smash things up because it was in its nature to do so.

    Ergo this is a writ-massive lesson on how come borders must not be allowed. Without that smasharoo, we wouldn’t have evolved.

    And that makes tracking of NEOs racist.

    Let our banners of open minds and open borders shine into the sky!

    Welcome, comets and asteroids!

    Bombardment is better than hate!

    No more planet privilege!

    Sentry is life supremacist!

    http://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/

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  79. @Anon
    The problem with Lazarus Poem is it's too vague, which explains why NOT ENOUGH people have tried to come to America. Had she spelled things out more clearly, the population of the US would be 6 billion, as it should be since everyone should be in the 'exceptional' and 'indispensable' country, the absolute best in the world. Surely, it is better to be an American than anything else. So, why settle for less? Why not become a superior person by coming to the US and becoming best kind of person in the bestest nation. Why be stuck in inferior identity in an inferior nation? And don't look back like Lot's wife. The reason why the Ms. Liberty is in frozen state is because she turned around to gaze at the Old World once more.

    I think we need a new version of NEW COLOSSUS so that we can convince EVERYONE to come to America and become much better. Why stay behind in worthless nations amidst inferiority?

    And the poem should address every nation individually.

    For example...

    You there, Somalia,
    most worthless nation inhabited
    by total losers. You are so poor
    and idiotic because of your low IQ
    and primitive culture that isn't worth
    the book it's written on.
    You have no hope of creating any kind
    of modern nation because you are morons
    in a land without value. Your only hope
    of a good life is to come to America, leave
    your inferior country behind forever, and leech
    off white people who know how to create
    and run a modern economy. As a Somali, you're
    a loser among other African losers. But as an
    'American', you are part of a nation that is
    best and most supremacist in the world.

    Pathetic India,
    despite your recent advances, you know
    you'll always be dirt poor. Too many people
    still pee and poo outdoors like barbarians.
    I saw the opening scene of SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
    and couldn't watch any more. You Hindus are a
    sorry lot among your own kind. You're too dirty,
    messy, corrupt, unscrupulous, and devious.
    India will have pockets of the rich, to be sure,
    but it will always be a hell for most people.
    And even if you have money,
    why would you want to live
    in a corrupt nation of snakes and leeches?
    Why not come to America where the air and water is cleaner?
    America may not consider its rivers sacred, but
    you're better off diving into the Ohio River
    than the Ganges that is an open sewage of the offal
    of a billion Hindus. You Hindus eat too much curry and
    run a stinkpot nation. You are better off living under
    the rule and guidance of whites who do everything much better.

    Oh Mexico,
    you are pitiful and pathetic indeed.
    You were settled before the US
    and once hogged all the SW territories.
    But what have you done? The Spanish elites
    were corrupt, lacking in vision, and just built
    haciendas and lived like pigs. The subjugated
    natives just ate tortillas and chili and got stomach aches
    and the runs. Water is so bad in Mexico, most
    people just drink tequila, which partly explains why
    you're so messed up.
    Admit it. You white Mexicans
    are sick of ruling over brown losers, and you brown Mexicans
    are sick of being ruled by Spanish jerks. With all those
    people, what did you present to the world?
    Tacos and Guillermo. Even Mexican talent like Cuaron
    and others would rather work in Hollywood than in Mexico.
    And Mexicans would rather pick lettuce and wash dishes
    in America than stay in Mexico. Why? Because
    you Mexicans can't do anything right among your own kind.
    Admit it, you Mexicans are born-servants, and your destiny
    is to come to the US and become serfs of gringos, Jews, and Asians
    who will hire you to do menial jobs and change their kids' diapers.
    So, leave your worthless loser nation and come to the US
    and serve gringo.

    Listen up, Nigeria.
    You guys made tons of money by capturing
    and selling black slaves to whites. Your kingdoms were loaded
    with gold and treasures. So, what did you do with it?
    You spent it on elephant ribs and bling. How is that blacks who
    were sold as slaves to America are now much better off
    than you Nigerians who sold the slaves and got paid most
    handsomely? I'll tell you why.
    It's because you Nigerians are so worthless and moronic.
    On your own, you only know boogie, chucking spears,
    shaking booty, and acting childish. Sure, blacks in the US act
    like that too, but they can at least leech off on the work
    and taxes of other groups. In contrast, you retards in Nigeria
    must live with and under fellow blacks who are so
    corrupt, violent, brutish, and idiotic. I mean what is your main
    economy? Email scams. So, leave your trashy stupid nation.
    Come to America and live under white rule because that's the
    only chance you have a good life.

    Attention China,
    your economic growth in recent yrs have been impressive
    but you will never catch up to the US.
    You Chinese are too cruel. Just look how you treat dogs and
    eat cats. You are so gross that you even eat bbq rats and bugs.
    Your air is foul and people get sick from just breathing.
    Your rivers are cesspools. You Chinese have no understanding
    and love of nature, animals, and environment. You only
    care about materialism and greed.
    And your schools suck. They only teach rote memorization
    and drive many young ones nuts. It is no wonder
    that so many Chinese women wanna have kids in the US
    and gain citizenship. They are totally sick of the Chinese way
    that is all about corruption, repression, lies, and other nuttery.
    Mao killed tens of millions, but you cowardly Chinese still
    haven't got the guts to speak the truth.
    So, give up on China and come to the US and live better lives.
    And only by living in the US will you become civilized and not eat dogs.
    Look at Amy Chua raises dogs, not eats them.

    O Canada,
    neighbor to the North. You act so holier than thou
    and always denounce America as violent and crazy.
    But everything you do is an imitation of America.
    Admit it, you just want to be an extension of America.
    At one time, you were almost all white. But you felt
    envious of America with its blacks. So, you decided
    to get blacks from Jamaica and increase crime.
    And then, US decided to take in tons of non-white immigrants,
    and you decided to do the same. Why? Cuz you imitate
    America and want to be just like it.
    And PC began in the US, and you took it and ran with it even more.
    So, everything you do is just a hyper-imitation of America.
    The logical solution is then to erase all borders between US and Canada
    and just make Canada a part of the US. That will hasten
    diversity and globalism even faster all across Canada.
    It's so much easier to be part of America than to imitate America. '

    And every other nation also deserves a special address from the Statue of Lazarus.

    Alas, all of those people bring their pestilences along with them, and soon there will be no more ‘first world’. Except perhaps for Japan and Singapore.

    I’m on my phone so it’s too much trouble to look up where you got that cut-and-paste, but the poor formatting sort of gives it away.

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  80. Harold says:
    @Clyde

    America is undergoing Latin-Americanization. It’s rather sordid but it’s not the end. The change will be much more cataclysmic in places like Sweden where the immigrants tend to be ancestrally hostile or indifferent to Western civilization.
     
    The cruel fact is that nature abhors a vacuum. The primary responsibility lies within, with the native peoples here, Europe, Australia, Canada not maintaining marriages and birthrates. The Muslim strategy includes stable marriages with cloistered wives, giving high birthrates. Abortion is outlawed in Muslim nations. Africans reproducing with no discipline, this also works for purposes of flooding Europe.
    If I ran a Western nation I would simply wall it off 1oo% like an exclusive country club, and let the chips fall where they may.

    Japan.

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  81. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    Here I go again. St. Augustine, Hannibal, some of the first RCC popes were Caucasian North Africans. They had high IQs. The highest IQs are found among Caucasians. What destroys IQs? Miscegenation. Have you been to France? It's full of Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians and they look black because they are black. The Romans did not import black slaves. Black slavery took off when Islam conquered Northern Africa. Egypt was destroyed by Islam. The ancient Egyptians were Caucasians. They built the magnificent ruins we see today. What can modern Egyptians do? Nothing because they have low IQs because 85% of them are black (from light to dark skin). The same thing happened to India. The ancient Indians were Aryans. They were destroyed by mixing with Asians. Indian IQ is about 84. Dark skin is the number 1 sign of low IQ.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

    Previous genetic studies have suggested a history of sub-Saharan African gene flow into some West Eurasian populations after the initial dispersal out of Africa that occurred at least 45,000 years ago. However, there has been no accurate characterization of the proportion of mixture, or of its date. We analyze genome-wide polymorphism data from about 40 West Eurasian groups to show that almost all Southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% African ancestry with an average mixture date of around 55 generations ago, consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations. Levantine groups harbor 4%–15% African ancestry with an average mixture date of about 32 generations ago, consistent with close political, economic, and cultural links with Egypt in the late middle ages. We also detect 3%–5% sub-Saharan African ancestry in all eight of the diverse Jewish populations that we analyzed. For the Jewish admixture, we obtain an average estimated date of about 72 generations. This may reflect descent of these groups from a common ancestral population that already had some African ancestry prior to the Jewish Diasporas.

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  82. @attilathehen
    "Chieh," Chinese. China is nothing compared to Italy. China is nothing compared to the West.

    China could probably destroy Italy with only its standoff weapons, for starters. China is leading in several fields of science, including genetic engineering and quantum satellites. China was ahead of the West of much of history too. The way things are going, it looks like China may have difficulties, but she is on an upswing. Italy, not so much.

    And now, I’ve officially participated in country e-peening. I feel a little dirty.

    I find it vaguely amusing that you seem intent on replying to me. Some sort of misguided affection, perhaps? Well, congratulations, here’s your official mark of having gotten my attention :)

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    First, even though I'm not Italian, they are my racial siblings and I will come to their defense, especially against an Asian.

    Second, China cannot destroy Italy. Italy is part of NATO and other European countries would not allow it to be destroyed.

    Third, China is not on the upswing. It is on the downswing. Over 400 million abortions have guaranteed this. So, as to "my misguided affection," well it's unfortunate that you are still able to reply.

    As I told you before, you do not belong and can never be a part of the West. If
    you are still living in a Western country, again, it would be better for you to
    do your e-preening from your dying China.

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  83. @Look at Lombardy
    Italians earn salaries that are around the white average. Considering their concentration in the northeast where wages are higher, this likely means Italians are below the white average in terms of earnings. I don't have data for wealth but from looking at the Forbes 400, Italian names do not stand out. As 5-10% of the US population they are underrepresented. Looking at the Wikipedia list of Sicilian Americans which is quite extensive, there is not a single notable individual outside of entertainment other than Scalia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sicilian_Americans

    Italians are a successful group in the US as far as becoming a middle class people. Then again just about every ethnic group is successful in America in this regard. In America as long as you graduate high school, work full time, and don't pop out a kid before marriage, you will eventually be a middle class household.

    So there is something right about America. Southern Italians were able to succeed because they moved to a country created by other people with a system that allowed just about any ethnic group to succeed.

    There’s a serious consideration for self-selection bias, though, as with many immigrant groups.

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  84. @Daniel Chieh
    China could probably destroy Italy with only its standoff weapons, for starters. China is leading in several fields of science, including genetic engineering and quantum satellites. China was ahead of the West of much of history too. The way things are going, it looks like China may have difficulties, but she is on an upswing. Italy, not so much.

    And now, I've officially participated in country e-peening. I feel a little dirty.

    I find it vaguely amusing that you seem intent on replying to me. Some sort of misguided affection, perhaps? Well, congratulations, here's your official mark of having gotten my attention :)

    First, even though I’m not Italian, they are my racial siblings and I will come to their defense, especially against an Asian.

    Second, China cannot destroy Italy. Italy is part of NATO and other European countries would not allow it to be destroyed.

    Third, China is not on the upswing. It is on the downswing. Over 400 million abortions have guaranteed this. So, as to “my misguided affection,” well it’s unfortunate that you are still able to reply.

    As I told you before, you do not belong and can never be a part of the West. If
    you are still living in a Western country, again, it would be better for you to
    do your e-preening from your dying China.

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    Part of my posts have been made from "dying" China, which so far, hasn't seemed to be dying yet. But of course, you're allowed to believe as you wish.

    As for NATO, I chuckle. Sure. If the US was invested, certainly. That seems less likely nowadays, and failing that, the thought is pretty amusing. I note again: we could probably wipe Italy off the face of the earth with our standoff weapons alone. I don't see why, though.

    Alright, I think you've gotten enough attention and time from me. Kudos.

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  85. @attilathehen
    First, even though I'm not Italian, they are my racial siblings and I will come to their defense, especially against an Asian.

    Second, China cannot destroy Italy. Italy is part of NATO and other European countries would not allow it to be destroyed.

    Third, China is not on the upswing. It is on the downswing. Over 400 million abortions have guaranteed this. So, as to "my misguided affection," well it's unfortunate that you are still able to reply.

    As I told you before, you do not belong and can never be a part of the West. If
    you are still living in a Western country, again, it would be better for you to
    do your e-preening from your dying China.

    Part of my posts have been made from “dying” China, which so far, hasn’t seemed to be dying yet. But of course, you’re allowed to believe as you wish.

    As for NATO, I chuckle. Sure. If the US was invested, certainly. That seems less likely nowadays, and failing that, the thought is pretty amusing. I note again: we could probably wipe Italy off the face of the earth with our standoff weapons alone. I don’t see why, though.

    Alright, I think you’ve gotten enough attention and time from me. Kudos.

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  86. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Italy vs. China war for the Kerguelen Islands! Wakes my inner 16 year-old.

    These things get murky pretty fast, though. Not at all clear cut.

    From random web pages:

    Italy exported about $6.3 Billion USD in aerospace products’ exports in 2014. Italy’s aircraft and spacecraft products exports in 2014 were up by only 2%. The surplus value for exports was $3.8 billion USD in 2014 were up by 45.8%. Italy’s aerospace industry is a major manufacturing sector of aircraft, motors, propellers, satellites, and on-board control systems. It has five large international aerospace companies, and these produce a yearly yield of 2.6 billion Euros. Finmeccanica is among the major Italian aerospace companies.

    U.S. aerospace manufacturers are very competitive internationally. In 2015, the U.S. aerospace industry contributed $144.1 billion in export sales to the U.S. economy. The industry’s positive trade balance of $82.5 billion that year was the largest trade surplus of any manufacturing industry, supporting high-wage jobs for hundreds of thousands of American workers.

    China – Aviation

    Aircraft, Spacecraft, and related parts (HS Code 88) Unit: USD millions

    2015
    Total Exports: 3,484
    Total Imports: 28,004

    So that’s roughly US $144B; Italy $6M; and China $3B, though if you look at the balance, not just absolute exports, China is negative $24B.

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  87. D. K. says:
    @attilathehen
    Famous singers (Frank Sinatra), actresses (Sofia Loren), judges (Antonin Scalia), the list is endless.

    Sofia Loren is an Italian actress, born in Rome, now residing in Geneva, Switzerland (according to her Wikipedia.org entry); she is not an American, nor does she live in America (ibid). Sinatra’s father, Marty, was born in the same Sicilian town as Charles ‘Lucky’ Luciano! Frank’s mother, however, was born in Lumarzo, near Genoa– and Frank got his intelligence, personality and character (such as they were!) from his mother, Dolly, not from the taciturn and ineffectual Marty.

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  88. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Just for accuracy in the record:

    “So that’s roughly US $144B; Italy $6B; and China $3B”

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