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From iSteve commenter Ty Rade:

Could be a throwback, warped in translation, to Samuel P Huntington’s last book in 2004, ‘Who are we?’ In which he mapped the void that is being left by the overthrow of the dominant white-anglo- saxon glue that has held America together thus far. I’d suggest there is no ‘we’ in ‘it’s not who we are’ at all; and that’s the trouble.

From iSteve commenter Coag:

Saying “This is not who we are” aims to push emotional buttons of shame and guilt, and as a meme is simple, memorable, and infectious. Trump, and all nationalists, should therefore appropriate it and use the phrase incessantly, just like how he appropriated the term “fake news”.

Leaving our front yard wide open and our loved ones undefended from drug smuggling and migrant caravans? That is not who we are.

Allowing illegal immigrants to undercut our fellow American citizens’ wages and livelihoods? That is not who we are as a nation.

Giving lavish attention and prizes to illegal immigrants while neglecting the well-being of our suffering urban and rural areas? That is not who we are.

 
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  1. Mr. Anon says:

    I’d suggest there is no ‘we’ in ‘it’s not who we are’ at all; and that’s the trouble.

    Aye. The phony ‘we’. Phony, as we don’t get a vote on who ‘we’ even is.

    Whenever I see politicians use the term ‘we’ or ‘our’, I get highly suspicious.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  2. BenKenobi says:

    Who’s “we”, diverse man?

  3. Winston Smith: “Freedom is the freedom to say two plus two equals four.”

    Nancy Pelosi: “Two plus two equals four is not who we are!”

  4. Another factor is that white urban liberals are consumed with the idea that sophisticated Europeans are looking down on them as Ugly Americans. “This Is Not Who Were Are” is a cry for foreigners to not confuse them with Trump voters. This is totally unnecessary on their part, since Europeans tend to be as well informed on US politics as they are on their own.

  5. Tyrion 2 says:

    Aye. The phony ‘we’. Phony, as we don’t get a vote on who ‘we’ even is.

    Lol.

    Actually the “we” is a necessary construction, as your paragraph ironically shows.

    Instead the phrase is phony because it “assumes the sale”.

    “It’s not who we are are” tags something as bad and immediately refuses to discuss that judgement even as it adds social proof into the mix. This is impressively annoying for six words.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @AnotherDad
  6. When I hear this I always think of that dumbass Paul Ryan and his teary eyed virtue signaling.

    • Replies: @Pontius
  7. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Nosferatu Zodd

    Another factor is that white urban liberals are consumed with the idea that sophisticated Europeans are looking down on them as Ugly Americans.

    Progressive internationalism as a game of keeping up with the (insert good white liberals of other nationality) is endemic in the West.

  8. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:

    This is who “we”are in 2019:

    Hostile alien conquistador Jorge Ramos was on Fox news Laura show tonight and he used the english word “we” many, many times in his thick foreign accent–referring to us Americans.

    So I guess this guy has x number of passports (like so many global elites) and one of them is an American passport. So he is part of us! He remains a hostile alien conquistador but he’s legally a part of us!

    Ramos called the wall racist without hesitation. Laura host kissed his ass and tried to take the high road. So there’s that.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Autochthon
  9. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    Very OT…

    But right on cue the drones show up in the Middle East. Anyone want to set the over-under for how long it will be before these are showing up on the West Bank via Iran/Russia?

    Our troops could not be leaving at a better time.

    [MORE]

  10. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    There’s a difference between we and ‘we’. The former is the we to which I belong; the latter is the we to which I am told I belong, often by those who don’t belong in the former.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  11. @Nosferatu Zodd

    Another factor is that white urban liberals are consumed with the idea that sophisticated Europeans are looking down on them as Ugly Americans.

    The ugly American in the novel was the good guy.

    And sophisticated Europeans have plenty of their own “deplorables” to look down upon.

  12. Cat Burglar, Cat Bugger-er, Whatever…

    The Who is not who we are – neither is the *Clash* of Civilizations and nothing says Déjà vu like The Guess Who, but the following

    served well as the intro for CSI: Las Vegas.
    One of the best episodes, aptly named “Fur and Loathing” (from, natch-scratch, “The Enchanted”* Hunter S. Thompson’s book), featured a feminine-sounding Great (Russian?*) Blue Defendant – who, of course, is later revealed to be a (granted, not exactly straight) white male -and an attorney Puss&Boots-to-boot -whose real head of hair is less impressive than some might expect from an MOTL (Member of Laurence Tribe). Unfortunately, the willowy (not large) Marg Helgenberger says, “Hello Sexy” rather than “Hello Kitty.” Btw., “NKVD” is not some venereal disease which one might catch from an undercover Felix “The Cat” Dzerzhinsky.

    Also see Elon *Musk* is not who we are

  13. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Ramos called the wall racist without hesitation

    He appears to be overwhelmingly European by ancestry himself. Blue eyes.

    Isn’t Jorge Ramos at risk of being NotWhoWeAre‘ed out of the Mexican Raza Cosmica on strict racial terms? Far too White; problematic, really.

    (Some people say Ramos looks like Anderson Cooper’s non-gay brother.)

  14. Yeah, the moral thing is huge. Maybe the biggest thing. White folk no longer allowed to be mean, to say No.

  15. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    A much greater percentage of your supposed “we” feels that way about you than their “we” does about them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  16. Dante says:
    @Hail

    Yes Ramos is of European descent but like so many he is far to busy virtue signalling for the coalition of the fringes.

    • Replies: @Hail
  17. Mark Steyn has mocked the “trope” v. cleverly:

    The Dems would have done better to bring on Alexandria to be nice and likeable and twitter on about how her story embodies the beautiful possibilities of a diverse multicultural society strengthened and enriched by vibrant dreamers, and how surrendering to dark paranoia and living in fear of the other just because he’s got MS-13 tattoos all over his skull is not who we are.

    https://www.steynonline.com/9132/the-real-crisis

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @songbird
  18. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Hail

    (Some people say Ramos looks like Anderson Cooper’s non-gay brother.)

    This is why most men should part their hair on the left. It looks weird in the mirror – because mirror image – but Anderson Cooper would look a lot less gay if he had a left parting. Then again, Anderson Cooper isn’t most men.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @snorlax
  19. bjdubbs says:

    “Decency” is the same attempt to shame as “TNWWA.” It turns out that Paul Ryan, John McCain and Joe Lieberman are all decent men, Steve King is not. But decency used to mean something like “keeping up appearances,” so sleeping with your mistress isn’t indecent (as long as its discreet), but moving in with your mistress does violate decency. But the new meaning of “decency” no longer means keeping up appearances because the whole notion of “appearances” has disappeared. The old moral language gets flattened into the decent / the deplorable. It’s an attempt to appeal to a shared standard without making an argument and when that shared standard has already disappeared.

  20. Warner says:

    I always think of that phony ‘we’ as a patronizing mother talking to her children. The ‘we’ is “this family you need to learn to belong to” and thus patronizing and inappropriate when speaking to a nation of 300+ million that offers none of the support and protection of family. In respect to immigration, it’s like telling your children that giving your dessert and yes even your dinner and lunch if necessary to the neighbor kids is how our family functions. Any child should instinctively bite back at their parents over that.

  21. OT, the Bezos Journal tells us it wasn’t the Russians who won the election for Trump after all. Nothing like being first with the hot news, 25 months late.

    “That sophisticated, specific Russian 2016 voter targeting effort doesn’t seem to exist”

  22. snorlax says:
    @Hail

    Have Jorge Ramos and Trey Gowdy ever been seen in the same room?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  23. snorlax says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I sometimes part my hair on the right when I have a bad hair day and it won’t stay flat parted left, but now you’ve got me feeling self-conscious.

  24. bgates says:

    I prefer Homer Simpson’s phrasing:

    • Replies: @Hail
  25. RVBlake says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Another alarm trigger is use of the term “folks”, another sure sign of faux friendliness.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Simply Simon
  26. snorlax says:

    The sneakiest cliche is “a nation of immigrants.” It turns the natural human tribalness against itself—any restriction on immigration is AN INSULT TO ME DEAR GRANDPAPPY!!!

    It’s such an effective meme it’s now quoted by progs and Boomercons everywhere, even when nonsensical. Portugal is a nation of immigrants!

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  27. Corvinus says:

    “Saying “This is not who we are” aims to push emotional buttons of shame and guilt, and as a meme is simple, memorable, and infectious.”

    Indeed! This simple but effective phrase would pay homage to our Anglo-Saxon heritage–you know, the true builders of America–that was pretty much wiped clean by invasive species.

    “The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it… After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    That is not who we are.

    “Few of their children in the country learn English … The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages … Unless the stream of their importation could be turned they will soon so outnumber us that all the advantages we have will not be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious.” [They, referring to Germans]

    That is not who we are.

    “Entire sections containing a population incapable of understanding our institutions, with no comprehension of our national ideals, and for the most part incapable of speaking the English language.” (Referring to Eastern Europeans)

    That is not who we are.

    We all should be smitten by the words of Alt Right leader Vox Day, super genius–“It is clear that even to the fourth generation, immigrants are prone to maintaining their primary loyalty to their ethnic group, if not their nation of origin, rather than to the nation to which they have nominally grafted themselves. They are guided by the principle of “what is good for the Irish” or “what is good for the Jews” rather than “what is good for the Americans” or even “what is good for the USA”.

    -and-

    “America was made by, of, and for the British. They had a few people mixed in. A very few. You know, one of my ancestors was a Irish Colonel who was a friend of George Washington. But as far as the nation went, it was a British nation. That’s why it says “our British brethren.”

  28. @snorlax

    You forgot, “They said the same things about my grandparents.”

    Yes, but your grandparents were subject to much more rigorous criminal laws and much less generous, if any, public assistance. Those rigorous conditions contributed in part to transforming them from wretched refuse washed up on our shores into the ancestors of the upstanding member of the community that you are.

    The only thing is that because of your empathy for the difficulties experienced by your grandparents, you want to water down law enforcement and offer even higher levels of public assistance, which combined with moving towards no barriers to immigration put us to the mess we are in now and the even deeper mess we are headed to.

    Do you suppose that empathy is why people are beginning to lose their guilt and shame about questioning the decision to have let Granddad in?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  29. Nathan says:

    I agree with Coag’s comment.

    “That’s not who we are” was actually one of Obama’s ugliest rhetorical flourishes. It’s a brief, powerful way to engage in what the PC-left would otherwise call “othering.” It puts the speaker in a natural position of authority. The speaker gets to define the group. The audience, agreeing with the speaker, feels good to know that “who we are” includes them, and not their enemies. The audience does not question the speaker’s authority to make this generalization, and therefore consents to that authority. Those who are outside the group- not who we are- have been placed by the speaker into an outlaw status. They have transgressed against the group, are not part of the group, and are therefore no longer subject to treatment under the in-groups norms. All of this from five little words. If it seems like I’m belaboring the obvious, remember nobody in politics was able to counter this basic rhetoric for eight long years. Why don’t politicians understand rhetoric?

    Look at the consequences! I first noticed this sort of left wing othering in military history and current event blogs. Confederate Soldiers and Officers were slowly re-difined to be Un-American. Not really external enemies, but OTHER enemies. It’s ok to riot and wreck property now, they weren’t who we are!

    The counter to this rhetoric used to be a common playground comeback repeated from a 1980’s tv commercial- What’s this “we” business??

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  30. @Hail

    President Trump’s infamous Trump-Tower campaign launch statement of “Mexico is not sending their best” was a case of Noticing (TM) that who Mexico was sending over didn’t look at all like Mr. Ramos.

    In fact, the reason the people coming over here don’t look like Mr. Ramos is that Mr. Ramos compadres don’t want the people in question, either?

    Candidate Trump’s position then and to a large extent now is that his proposed restrictions on immigration are directed to members of the Wretched Refuse class in their home countries but that he welcomes the elites of the world coming here. Mr. Ramos is an object lesson, however, in the merits of broader immigration restriction.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  31. Saying “This is not who we are” aims to push emotional buttons of shame and guilt, and as a meme is simple, memorable, and infectious. Trump, and all nationalists, should therefore appropriate it and use the phrase incessantly, just like how he appropriated the term “fake news”.

    Repetition — Repetition — Repetition

    Stay on message — stay on message — stay on message

    Stay hungry — stay hungry — stay hungry

    David Byrne growling out some eccentric howl from time immemorial.

    You have it exactly right about saying the same thing over and over and over again as a means of reinforcing political messaging. It works!

    The people in Iowa and New Hampshire who go to the presidential primary functions — a small percentage of the population in each state — hear the same tired, donor-approved crap from politician whores such as Teddy Cruz and Marco Rubio and Jebby Bush. The presidential primary aspirants are playing to the electronic media and the newspapers, and we all know it.

    Trumpy smashed through all that crud and started pounding the crap out of the whores with America First talk on trade, immigration, foreign policy and the media.

    Trumpy heard the GOP politician whores say they want to cut Medicare and Social Security and Trumpy said the Hell with that. Florida is there for the taking and these rancid scumbag politician whores are sent out there by their donors to tell the geezers that they will cut Medicare and Social Security? It is a frigging ridiculous way to win Florida, folks!

    Trolls who are attacking the historic American nation are the ones saying drop all the repetition in political messaging.

    If what you are saying is true and needs to be said, KEEP SAYING IT OVER AND OVER!

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  32. @Hail

    Jorge Ramos todavía no ha salido del armario.

    • Replies: @Hail
  33. @snorlax

    Trey Gowdy has the most schizophrenic non-negroid (or non-pseudo negroid) hair in all of recorded history.

  34. songbird says:

    Perhaps, that is another way to explain leftism: a susceptibility to reproduce and spread these memes.

    For what it is worth, I have also seen a softer variant of this in Europe at the urban level, after rioting. Something like “This is our city. Shame on those who____” . Of course, it is strange to hear, given that those using it probably don’t understand that their fate is to be pushed out of their own cities.

  35. Lugash says:
    @Hail

    It looks like Jorge has AIDS related lipodistrophy.

  36. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    You know, I started watching that NY/SF rebuttal speech to the President with all the flags, but then found myself thinking, “Staying awake through cheap glittering-generality corporate slogans for whitelib expediency is just really not who we are, as Americans”

  37. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nosferatu Zodd

    Yes, chic Parisians most define who we are as Americans– they have the highest WWAQ yet measured

  38. White Core America Rising

    The Sam Huntington question — Who Are We As A Nation? — also had a foreign policy corollary — What Are We Fighting For As A Nation?

    The United States is a European Christian nation or a British Protestant settler nation or a combination of both.

    I have wooden boat ancestry and steel boat ancestry so I go with European Christian.

    My wooden boat ancestry is mid-Atlantic and Southern colonial American.

    National identity will be the battleground to determine control of the American Empire.

    White Core America will eventually win, but it will take a fight to clear the question. It’s the English way. The American colonists had to fight the British Empire to win the the American Secessionary War, and we will be forced into it a fight too.

  39. @Nosferatu Zodd

    Another factor is that white urban liberals are consumed with the idea that sophisticated Europeans are looking down on them as Ugly Americans.

    This sort of liberal preening in reaction to trans-Atlantic insecurities is a two way street.

    One of the factors in the great Euro post-war stupidity, is European liberals–chafing like teenagers living under daddy USA’s nuclear umbrella–thinking America’s racial problems were because we’re a bunch of racist cowboys and believing they were more enlightened, cultured, sophisticated and could prove it by doing what we could not.

    More serious and centered Europeans, comfortable in their own skin–ex. Enoch Powell, no great lover of America–understood that America’s racial problem was an intractable curse and the height of insanity to impose upon oneself.

    BTW, i’m still struck by the sheer forceful good sense of Powell’s opening words.

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

    This is what responsible, reasoning (male) republican government should sound like, and think like. And what a telling contrast to the hyper-feminine emotional shriefing of “That’s not who we are!”

  40. I wrote this in August of 2018:

    WHO ARE WE AS A NATION?

    I asked that same question to Lindsey Graham at a presidential primary town hall in New Hampshire.

    This is a rough transcript of my town hall question to Lindsey Graham in March of 2015:

    I have a question about immigration policy and foreign policy — we’ll sort of mish-mash them together.

    There is a question about national identity, what kind of country are we. Sam Huntington of Harvard, his question was ‘who are we’ as a nation. Other people who are concerned about our foreign policy debacles, such as Iraq. We are doing things that are not working, and they’re saying: ‘what are we fighting for.’

    The United States, especially since the 1965 Immigration Act, has been moving towards some kind of multicultural Tower of Babel. That’s seems to be the identity that we’re moving towards.

    On foreign policy, there seems to be a lot of ‘bombs away with Curtis LeMay.’ It just seems to be where we start bombing, then we come up with the rationale, then we change the rationale.

    So my question to you would be: How do see this nation? Do you see it as a British Protestant nation? A European Christian nation? The Neo-Cons see it as some kind of a multicultural proposition nation, an ideological nation, if you will.

    How do you see the United States of America and what do you think we are fighting for as a nation?

    Lindsey Graham responded with boilerplate and hot air and this:

    “I believe in America as an idea”

  41. @Tyrion 2

    “It’s not who we are are” tags something as bad and immediately refuses to discuss that judgement even as it adds social proof into the mix. This is impressively annoying for six words.

    Well said.

    The whole smells of the schoolmarm. A lecture from a tedious schoolmarm.

    I think they trot it out so often, because they advocate policies that they can not defend, which have obvious negative effects and are open to pretty obvious critiques. So what pops into their brains is this appeal to some ethereal spirit of righteous good-whiteism.

    This is designed to work best–based on social anxiety–with suburban women and believers. And presumably this continues to be comfortably reinforcing to these self-righteous good-whites, because otherwise the consultants should have encouraged them to shut it down. But i wonder if there’s a “no one wants to be the first to stop clapping” effect going on here. The consultants don’t want to tell the pols its crap. Because this sort of thing is highly annoying/alienating to any red blooded man, and i’m guessing at this point a lot of women find it patronizing as well.

    So i love hearing it. Every time we get this shtick from Democrats/globohomo drones, i think it’s a win. Each time it dawns on a few more people that they are being bossed around by a bunch of tedious a*holes… pursuing destructive policies they can’t and won’t even try to defend.

  42. I find the “who we are” trope so annoying, if someone I agreed with ever used it, I’d say “get off my side”.

  43. @Charles Pewitt

    “Ending is better than mending…”

  44. Corvinus says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    “Yes, but your grandparents were subject to much more rigorous criminal laws…”

    Citations needed.

    “and much less generous, if any, public assistance.”

    There is some truth to what you say here.

    https://scholarworks.wmich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2035&context=jssw

    However, settlement houses, industrial training schools (North Bennett Street), and the Children’s Aid Society (1853) did provide services to newly arriving immigrants, with some funding coming from state and local coffers.

    “Those rigorous conditions contributed in part to transforming them from wretched refuse washed up on our shores into the ancestors of the upstanding member of the community that you are.”

    You do realize that this statement is supporting “Magic Dirt”, right? Furthermore, who was this “wretched refuse”? In other words, what ethnic groups? Why were they given this label? If these group transformed into “civilized people”, would not the arguments of the nativists been ultimately wrong? You have much ‘xplainin’ to do, Lucy.

    “Do you suppose that empathy is why people are beginning to lose their guilt and shame about questioning the decision to have let Granddad in?”

    Wasn’t Granddad white?

  45. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I think you’re talking wewe.

  46. Nice synopsis.

    You’re right: DJT should appropriate from the appropriators, applying those exact points that you laid out to Chuck & Nancy’s emotion-generating phrase. Basically, you have captured all of the main reverse-colonization issues in three short sentences.

  47. People saying “That is not who we are” is simply not who we are. It is just wrong!

  48. Hail says: • Website
    @Dante

    Ramos is of European descent but like so many he is far to busy virtue signalling for the coalition of the fringes

    Doesn’t he see that he is the next, once the White NWEuropean Protestant whom he works so hard against is relegated to the proverbial-psychological “reservations”?

    Myopic politics for a (95+%? 90%+?) White Man.

  49. Mr. Anon says:

    We/We – it’s a more subtle form of Who/Whom.

  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    President Trump’s infamous Trump-Tower campaign launch statement of “Mexico is not sending their best” was a case of Noticing (TM) that who Mexico was sending over didn’t look at all like Mr. Ramos.

    To be fair though, Jorge Ramos isn’t their best either.

  51. Hail says: • Website
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Jorge Ramos (b. 1958) with former wife Gina Montaner (b. 1960, Cuban aristocratic origin) and daughter Paola Ramos (b.1988) in a July 2016 pic:

    Daughter Paola was working for the Hillary campaign when that pic was taken; a more recent pic shows Paola independently campaigning under the ambiguous slogan, “We Are All Dreamers.”

    Jorge Ramos’ upgraded wife (m.2013) is Chiquinquirá Delgado, Venezuelan beauty pageant winner and TV show host (b.1972):

  52. bjondo says:
    @Viral Architect

    don’t know if steyn is legal
    but
    he is one of the immigrants
    who needs to be railroaded out.
    he has helped contribute to
    untold misery and debt and waste.
    a liar, deceiver, propagandist.
    he is pointless, worthless.
    marc steyn is a stain upon america.

    5ds

    • Troll: Nathan
    • Replies: @Autochthon
  53. @Tyrion 2

    Agreed, though I would replace “internationalism” with “globalism”. Internationalism can mean the opposite of xenophobia, and xenophobes tend to be people who have psychological problems. Globalism has no positive opposite; it conjures the images of George Soros, shuttered factories, and trafficked children.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  54. Middle aged immigrant men snagging visas for child brides:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/11/child-brides-us-approved-thousands-bride-requests-over-decade/2545951002/

    It’s ‘Who We Are’- now.

    Warning: If you are American and try to import a 15 year-old girl by telling authorities she is your future ‘bride,’ you will be arrested.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  55. donut says:
    @Hail

    Anderson is preparing to receive probes forward and aft .

  56. gp says:

    I never say “This is not who we are,” because that is not who I am.

  57. densa says:

    Ty Rade said: I’d suggest there is no ‘we’ in ‘it’s not who we are’ at all; and that’s the trouble.

    Agree, and note that the person pulling the NWWR is either a member of the global ‘elite’ or is playing a race card of some type, even if it’s Pelosi signaling she’s Italian, not Deplorable. Obama built his entire career on insinuating that He is who we should be.

    Coag’s NWWR reversal is perfect. Like Obama, it can be quickly coupled with “That’s not right.” or “That’s unAmerican.” or “That’s not what this nation is about.” It leaves the globalist supremacist to say they don’t care about working, poor or lower class people if they’re white. They always presume that white America has infinite wealth and security (like they do) and can afford niceties in life that many of us haven’t experienced in years if not decades.

  58. @Hail

    Props to the tortilla-eating bastard for getting a woman taller than him to marry him.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Hail
  59. @Tyrion 2

    And don’t forget it also works the other way. Urban white liberals in Sweden, Canada, Ireland, Australia etc are deeply worried about progressive coastal Americans looking down on them for being provincial and unfashionable.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  60. MarkinLA says:

    I guess according to Trump “we” are also hundreds of thousands of H-1Bs:

    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.

    He really is stupid.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  61. @Anonymous

    That guy is on Fox every other day because they are paying him to be. Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Donald Trump are not on your side. They are the global elite. They probably have a few extra passports their own selves. For the umpteenth time, the resistance have been coopted by The Man. He’s that good at it.

    I say this with friendship, not snark: it’s over. Don’t be that Japanese guy they found in tbe jungle hiding from the enemy in 1950 or whenever it was. The curtain wall has fallen; the keep is breached, and neither the Rohirrim, the Prince of Dol Amroth, nor the Unfaithful Dead are going to show up in the third act.

    It’s a post-national food-fight of all against all. The Chinese, the Guatexicadoruns, the Hindoos, the Arabs, the Negroes – even they aren’t winning. As even Steve has remarked, they, too are being bamboozled and manipulated by about .01% of their number and ours into a game of “Let’s you and him fight.” Like two divorce lawyers going at it like pitbulls to gobble up all of the couple’s resources before the judge orders something not too different from what the couple could have settled on years ago, after which both lawyers and the judge all meet for brandy and cigars down the country club. That’s what’s going on anymore.Neo-feudalism: the barons occassioanlly bicker amongst themselves, but they are as happy to negotiate mutually beneficial marriages and trade plots of land and serfs to meet their goals, and they will do that far sooner and oftener than they will rally to arms to in defense of the particular lands and serfs in their demesne.

    Get yourself one of those passports. Montevideo is lovely this time of year.

  62. @Hail

    I love the always unbuttoned shirt; the guy is a complete milquetoast trying to channel Burt Reynolds in the latter’s heyday.

  63. @bjondo

    Please elaborate; you have my attention and, doubtless, that of others.

  64. songbird says:
    @Viral Architect

    I was on a jury once, and the accused was a legal immigrant from Cambodia who came over as a boy, but he looked like a Central American. Anyways, he had tattoos on his fingers.

    The whole time I was thinking, wow, there’s no real mechanism to track people like him and say we probably want less guys like him – less immigration from his country of origin. That only a fool would consider guys who put tats on their fingers a desirable addition to American society.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  65. ATBOTL says:

    There is a larger issue we are not discussing. If the GOP is ever going to become a useful party, it’s going to have move radically in Steve’s King’s direction. He is going to have to become the the typical GOP elected official. I don’t see any such movement. The wave of GOP Congress retirements simply lead to younger GOPe apparatchiks taking their spots a little early. The party is not being transformed.

    The fact the King struggled in his reelection and is coming under attack from the GOP in both his own state and at the national level is a very bad sign.

    We have a good chance of being back to square one politically after the 2020 election, with a Democratic President, House and possibly Senate who are far more aggressive in pushing open borders than ever, and a GOP that is no better than it was during the Bush era.

    What then?

  66. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The ones that don’t involve dirty old men are all scams on the system, like when sodomites used to routinely adopt their lovers to obtain most of the same legal standings a marriage otherwise would grant for benefits like insurance, probate matters, etc.

    It might be interesting to see what the proportion of the two types of filings is. I bet the old men marrying little girls is actually less than the outright sham filings to get in cousins, friends, etc. (probably with hefty kickbacks to the sponsor, under the table, in many cases).

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  67. Altai says:

    The problem with the phrase ‘this is not who we are’, is that the very act of saying it invalidates it. If you have to say ‘this is not who we are’ then there is no we. People know well enough who they are.

    • Agree: Liza
  68. JSM says:

    Gee, Chuck, I wish you felt about America the way you do Israel. “Jewish nation”??? I thought you were a member of the American nation. Isn’t that what your ancestors promised when they took the oath to be naturalized Americans?

    Sailer fans, did you NOTICE the irony, though?

    Schumer’s ancestors were guardians of the WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! around the Jewish ghetto in Russia.

    So, why can’t we AMERICANS have a WALL that YOU guard Chuckie? WHY are walls suddenly immoral, when you’re proud of your guardian ancestors, who guarded walls around Jewish lands? ??? HUH CHUCKIE???
    HUH????

  69. Pontius says:
    @Bennis Mardens

    It was a common phrase used by the former spendthrift Liberal administrations of the province of Ontario, usually before embarking upon some horrendously expensive progressive endeavour which virtually nobody supported. The premier would also present himself with his trademarked rolled up sleeves and tie to one side like he had just finished a torrid round-the-clock session of legislative midwifery. I hope I live long enough to take a dump on his grave.

  70. KevinB says:

    “herefore appropriate it and use the phrase incessantly”

    That in a nutshell should be a key component of fighting the Left’s propaganda, but sadly the cucks in the GOP are too timid to get down in the rhetorical mud and fight it out.

    Trump seems to have an ear for this technique and I would really like to see him engage in more trolling by employing “Progressive” euphemisms. There is nothing that enrages these crackpots more than turning their crank ideas on their head.

    For example, the next time he’s confronted about “climate change,” he should say to whoever is doing the virtue signaling that ending immigration would immediately and completely flat-line US emissions. Tying immigration to climate change would put “Progressives” in a very difficult position, but no one in the GOP, including Trump, seems interested in playing the game the way the Left plays the game. Repeatedly tying immigration to “climate change” would then couple the Armageddon dread created by “global warming” hysteria with immigration. People would begin to associate dread with immigration and soon you’d have most of the country opting for a complete moratorium.

    Talk about low hanging fruit…..

  71. @RVBlake

    Obama often referred to black folks and white folks. We know how friendly he was.

  72. DPG says:

    Coag’s suggestion is very strong. Trump’s greatest strength is to bludgeon his language into the public conscious, for better or worse.

  73. @Autochthon

    A friend’s daughter did a semester abroad in France. The couple were highly educated and wealthy, and had an adopted Asian son in his twenties who was understood to be the father’s ‘friend.’ There was a also an African ‘student’ who hung around.

    I hope you’re right about them just being ‘cousins or friends.’ Whatever it is, it’s definitely some kind of sham.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  74. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Sarah Silverman says: “When I was 14, I dated my father’s best friend. I just realized that’s really creepy: my father having a 14-year-old best friend.”

    • LOL: reactionry
  75. @Hail

    Nice beard there Jorge; she’s more than I could handle. Don’t let her access the kitchen cutlery. (Sorry, I forgot that you have short brown women for full time kitchen help.) Nothing a hormonal intervention and pair of “don Pepe Figueres” platform shoes wouldn’t fix though.

    https://elespiritudel48.org/karen-olsen-beck/

  76. Is this what you call full circle?

  77. Has anyone mentioned Oprah yet? It sounds like something she would say. A similar catchphrase of Michelle Obama’s, telling men to “be better.”, started out there.

  78. Maybe this ‘Texas couple’ enslaved their ‘friend:’

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article224070415.html

    Slavery: It’s Who We Are. Those ‘Texas couples’ just pick it up from the locals.

  79. It’s clear: Who is the “we” in “That’s not who we are”?

    “We” means “Americans.” “That’s not who we are” means “That’s un-American.”

    The Left is calling opponents un-American and unpatriotic. Sound familiar?

    Of course, the Left spent a half-century conditioning Americans that such labels are simple-minded at best and sinister at worst. Some strategicly dramatic umbrage-taking by the targets of “That’s not who we are” would go a long way in the minds of Normals.

  80. @Steve Sailer

    The wife disappeared halfway through the semester, but nobody really mentioned it. The African ‘student’ stopped coming around at about the same time.

    My friend’s daughter and the girl staying there thought it was strange seeing the man nuzzling with his adopted ‘son,’ but as Present Year college students they are well trained to tolerate local cultural mores. After all, their hosts are French, and nothing gay is ever wrong.

    And hey, at least the husband never bothered the visiting 19 year-old American coeds.

    To me it sounded like some kind of depraved Paul Bartel bedroom farce.

  81. @Faraday's Bobcat

    getting a woman taller than him to marry him

    She’s a good 2″ shorter than him, actually – because you can bet that she’s tottering around in silly footwear usually associated with strippers and prostitutes (oops… I meant “dancers” and “actresses”).

    To make the comparison relevant, get her to take off the stripper-heels, and have him stand on his wallet.

  82. Hail says: • Website
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Is that about a three-to-four-inch height difference?

    She is likely in high heels. Is 3-4 inches beyond the likely boost from heels she might plausibly (be) wear(ing)?

  83. Hail says: • Website
    @bgates

    Is that Homer Simpson as a mime?

  84. *Very* Small Beer
    Or: Marcel “Robo”

    Homer on seeing RBG: Biiiiieeeeeerrrr….

    It seems possible that mimes are being replaced by Robots:

  85. @Steve Sailer

    Boylita?

    Unfortunately I can remember neither the name nor even the approximate age of a female comic who said something along the lines of “Know what I like best in a boyfriend? -When he leaves early in the morning to go to school.”
    Another (or perhaps the same one) – “Know what I hate most in a boyfriend? – The slightest shift in attention.”
    Recently an iSteve commenter linked to a fun-to-read, breezey piece by Christopher Hitchens in which he claimed that *overall* women are lousier comics and that men need to get women to laugh in order to get laid. He also noted that men are more likely to get their jollies from scatological stuff. He also gave an opinion that the humor of some female Jewish comics was almost male-like in its aggressiveness. Women tend to be involved with ultimately unfunny life & death struggles with respect to pregnancy, labor and delivery and child-rearing (no, not *that* sort of “rearing”) and so forth.

    While searching for the “slightest shift in attention” line online, only came up with something streamed by Silverman who seemed to be saying that down-trodden women were forced to pay attention to “look at me! look at me!” guys. She wondered if a woman had paid attention to Hitler – “Oh, that’s a *wonderful* watercolor of a building,” there might not have been a Holocaust. She was then “interrupted” by a male member of the audience who demanded that the format be changed to one in which a participant would get a check for $500 if he or she could break wind within 7 seconds – or have to *write* a check to the show for $500 if they sharted.

    Sadly, my memory is getting very Haze-y and the above is a very, very gross (not quite like an iSteve commenter’s name of “Gross Terry” as in Terry Gross of NPR- noted by another commenter who made a breath of “Fresh Air” joke out of it) approximation of that streaming. I probably got some of the material entirely wrong – and there are obviously oodles of exceptions to some of the observations made by CH.

  86. “Motel Hell”

    Was that codger* Humbert Humbert a lodger in The Enchanted Huntington Motel?

    Does Hypnotoad, like some Hop-A-Long Humbert from Hades, dwell in a Motel666?

    * codger -Also see the UK kid show apocryphal “Roger the Cabin Boy” and “Seaman Staines”

  87. @songbird

    In reference to your unique handle : If you are not residing in europe you probably do not have any knowledge of the most melodic, inventive songbird on planet mirth namely the : Amsel.

    A magnificent singer and improvisor beyond comparison, the singer being the male, small, black with a yellow beak, he comes up with melodies which could emmanate from a competent jazz players horn.

    And to compensate for the absense of these wonderful feathered artists, in the US we have the hummingbird, which is not at home anywhere in Europe.

    I met a German lady years ago who made trips to the US just to view the beautiful “Kollibri” as they, Hummingbirds, are known in German. In Detroit Michigan, as a kid, I could see them, with their luminous coloring, every summer morning in our back yard, hovering at the flowers, it was dreamy and surreal, such as with dragonflies.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

    • Replies: @songbird
  88. Emanuel Macron’s “Letter to the French Public” muses about “who we are” and those , who can’t get no “satisfaction” – – – and therefor – – “riot!”

    (my fat mots!)

    “Chères Françaises, chers Français, mes chers compatriotes,

    Dans une période d’interrogations et d’incertitudes comme celle que nous traversons, nous devons nous rappeler qui nous sommes.

    La France n’est pas un pays comme les autres.

    Le sens des injustices y est plus vif qu’ailleurs. L’exigence d’entraide et de solidarité plus forte.

    Chez nous, ceux qui travaillent financent les pensions des retraités. Chez nous, un grand nombre de citoyens paie un impôt sur le revenu, parfois lourd, qui réduit les inégalités. Chez nous, l’éducation, la santé, la sécurité, la justice sont accessibles à tous indépendamment de la situation et de la fortune. Les difficultés de la vie, comme le chômage, peuvent être surmontées, grâce à l’effort partagé par tous.

    C’est pourquoi la France est, de toutes les nations, une des plus fraternelles et des plus égalitaires.

    C’est aussi une des plus libres, puisque chacun est protégé dans ses droits et dans sa liberté d’opinion, de conscience, de croyance ou de philosophie.

    Et chaque citoyen a le droit de choisir celles et ceux qui porteront sa voix dans la conduite du pays, dans l’élaboration des lois, dans les grandes décisions à prendre.

    Chacun partage le destin des autres et chacun est appelé à décider du destin de tous : c’est tout cela, la Nation française.

    Comment ne pas éprouver la fierté d’être Français ?

    Je sais, bien sûr, que certains d’entre nous sont aujourd’hui insatisfaits ou en colère. Parce que les impôts sont pour eux trop élevés, les services publics trop éloignés, parce que les salaires sont trop faibles pour que certains puissent vivre dignement du fruit de leur travail, parce que notre pays n’offre pas les mêmes chances de réussir selon le lieu ou la famille d’où l’on vient. Tous voudraient un pays plus prospère et une société plus juste.

  89. songbird says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    I admit to a bit of wistfulness for not having much knowledge of the birds of Europe. To hear a song that your ancestors knew a 1000 or more years ago has an appeal.

    Of American birds, some of my favorites are the robin (so much like a real song), the whippoorwill (such an odd underdog and I’ve heard it while dreaming without it waking me) and the wood thrush (really evokes the peaceful countryside.)

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