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Every 3 years in December, a well-funded organization called PISA releases a giant report on the test it gave 15 year olds around the world the previous year. And every 3 years, all respectable voices lament how badly the U.S. education system performs. For example, from today’s New York Times:

‘It Just Isn’t Working’: PISA Test Scores Cast Doubt on U.S. Education Efforts

An international exam shows that American 15-year-olds are stagnant in reading and math even though the country has spent billions to close gaps with the rest of the world.

The achievement gap in reading between high and low performers in the United States is widening.

By Dana Goldstein
Dec. 3, 2019

The performance of American teenagers in reading and math has been stagnant since 2000, according to the latest results of a rigorous international exam, despite a decades-long effort to raise standards and help students compete with peers across the globe.

And the achievement gap in reading between high and low performers is widening. Although the top quarter of American students have improved their performance on the exam since 2012, the bottom 10th percentile lost ground, according to an analysis by the National Center for Education Statistics, a federal agency.

The disappointing results from the exam, the Program for International Student Assessment, were announced on Tuesday and follow those from the National Assessment of Educational Progress, an American test that recently showed that two-thirds of children were not proficient readers.

Over all, American 15-year-olds who took the PISA test scored slightly above students from peer nations in reading but below the middle of the pack in math.

Low-performing students have been the focus of decades of bipartisan education overhaul efforts, costing many billions of dollars, that have resulted in a string of national programs — No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top, the Common Core State Standards, the Every Student Succeeds Act — but uneven results.

There is no consensus on why the performance of struggling students is declining. Education experts argue vociferously about a range of potential causes, including school segregation, limited school choice, funding inequities, family poverty, too much focus on test prep and a dearth of instruction in basic skills like phonics.

And every three years the one dissenting voice is usually … me. I ritually point out that each race within the U.S. (see the red bars in my graph) did pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world. (Keep in mind, though, that the U.S. usually spends more per public school student than all but a few tax havens like Luxembourg.)

For example, the mean score on the three parts of the test — reading, math, and science — for U.S. Asians was 549, which would make them the third highest scoring place in the world, behind only the utopian city-state of Singapore and four rich cities in mainland China. (Scores are on an SAT-like 200 to 800 scale with 500 supposed to be the rich, or OECD, country mean, although the OECD mean was 488.)

At 521, U.S. whites outscored all countries founded by whites (light blue bars) except Estonia. American whites edged Japan and South Korea by one point, which isn’t shabby.

I’m not sure I believe these high scores for the U.S., but at least I don’t ignore them like everybody else does.

(Three years ago, American whites outscored American Asians for some unexplained reason, but this time the U.S. racial ranking is back to normal with Asian-Americans on top.)

U.S. Hispanics at 470 outscored all Latin American countries, with Chile scoring highest at 438. Mexico scored 416 and Dominican Republic came in last among Third World countries who bravely volunteered to take the test at 334. (I don’t know why the bar for DR got cut off at the bottom of the graph: after 26 years of use, MS Excel graphs remains an unpleasant mystery to me.) On the other hand, DR comes in first among baseball players, so they’ve got that going for them.

U.S. blacks scored 436, which is higher than Malaysia, Romania, and Thailand. No truly black-run country took the test, but in past years, American blacks beat Trinidad, a part black, part Asian Indian island country with oil money.

Keep in mind that there are of course methodological problems with a global test as ambitious as this. For example, if you want to score higher, don’t round up your dumber students to take the test. There are big differences in coverage between countries. For example, in the past, Argentina would complain that they rounded up 80% of their assigned 15-year-olds while Mexico did more like 60%. (Most First World countries are above 80% in coverage).

Can we trust the Chinese numbers? Beats me.

And lots of countries don’t take the PISA test or its rival TIMSS test. For example, India tried it in an off year in a couple of states and scored at sub-Saharan levels, so India hasn’t been back.

Here are my analyses of previous PISA cycles:

2009

2012

2015

Here’s where I got the new data.

And here are the 2018 numbers I assembled:

Education system Mean Reading Math Science
B-S-J-Z (China) 579 555 591 590
Singapore 556 549 569 551
U.S. Asians 549 556 539 551
Macau (China) 542 525 558 544
Hong Kong (China) 531 524 551 517
Estonia 525 523 523 530
U.S. Whites 521 531 503 529
Japan 520 504 527 529
Korea, Republic of 520 514 526 519
Canada 517 520 512 518
Chinese Taipei 517 503 531 516
Finland 516 520 507 522
Poland 513 512 516 511
Ireland 505 518 500 496
Slovenia 504 495 509 507
United Kingdom 504 504 502 505
New Zealand 503 506 494 508
Sweden 502 506 502 499
Netherlands 502 485 519 503
Denmark 501 501 509 493
Germany 500 498 500 503
Belgium 500 493 508 499
Australia 499 503 491 503
Switzerland 498 484 515 495
Norway 497 499 501 490
Czech Republic 495 490 499 497
United States 495 505 478 502
France 494 493 495 493
U.S. two or more races 492 501 474 502
Portugal 492 492 492 492
Austria 491 484 499 490
OECD average 488 487 489 489
Latvia 487 479 496 487
Spain NA NA 481 483
Russian Federation 482 479 488 478
Iceland 481 474 495 475
Lithuania 480 476 481 482
Hungary 479 476 481 481
Italy 477 476 487 468
Luxembourg 477 470 483 477
Belarus 472 474 472 471
Croatia 472 479 464 472
U.S. Hispanics 470 481 452 478
Slovak Republic 469 458 486 464
Israel 465 470 463 462
Turkey¹ 463 466 454 468
Ukraine 463 466 453 469
Malta 459 448 472 457
Greece 453 457 451 452
Serbia 442 439 448 440
Cyprus 438 424 451 439
Chile 438 452 417 444
U.S. blacks 436 448 419 440
United Arab Emirates 434 432 435 434
Malaysia¹ 431 415 440 438
Romania¹ 428 428 430 426
Bulgaria¹ 427 420 436 424
Moldova, Republic of 424 424 421 428
Uruguay 424 427 418 426
Brunei Darussalam 423 408 430 431
Montenegro, Republic of 422 421 430 415
Albania 420 405 437 417
Jordan¹ 416 419 400 429
Mexico¹ 416 420 409 419
Costa Rica¹ 415 426 402 416
Qatar 413 407 414 419
Thailand¹ 413 393 419 426
Colombia¹ 405 412 391 413
Bosnia and Herzegovina 402 403 406 398
Kazakhstan 402 387 423 397
Baku (Azerbaijan)² 402 389 420 398
Peru¹ 402 401 400 404
Brazil¹ 400 413 384 404
North Macedonia 400 393 394 413
Argentina 395 402 379 404
Georgia 387 380 398 383
Saudi Arabia 386 399 373 386
Indonesia 382 371 379 396
Lebanon 377 353 393 384
Morocco¹ 368 359 368 377
Panama¹ 365 377 353 365
Kosovo 361 353 366 365
Philippines¹ 350 340 353 357
Dominican Republic¹ 334 342 325 336
1 At least 50 percent but less than 75 percent of the 15-year-old population is covered by the PISA sample.
2 Less than 50 percent of the 15-year-old population is covered by the PISA sample In the case of reading literacy, the 2018 OECD average does not include Spain due to issues with its PISA 2018 reading literacy data. Although Spain’s PISA 2018 data met international technical standards, its reading literacy data show unusual student response behavior that prevent its data from being reported at this time. Scores are reported on a scale from 0 to 1,000. Italics indicate non-OECD countries and education systems. Standard error is noted by s.e. B-S-J-Z (China) refers to the four PISA participating China provinces: Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang. Although Vietnam participated in PISA 2018, technical problems with its data prevent results from being discussed in this report.
SOURCE: Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), 2018.
 
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  1. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Diversity is our strength. Moar Immigrants! Especially from equatorial Africa!

  2. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    >usa whites as smart as estonians finns and japanese

    lol

  3. Alice says:

    That’s great news. We are actually educating our students. That’s really heartening. 3 cheers for common core.

    The Chinese numbers may be real, but eh, likely are lies anyway, so who cares.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  4. nebulafox says:

    >And every 3 years, all respectable voices lament how badly the U.S. education system performs.

    The thing is, the US educational system is really, really uneven and location dependent. Take it from someone who had the rare experience of attending schools all over the socioeconomic (and geographic) spectrum ranging from snobby old rich to dirt poor.

    Yeah, I’m actually not shocked about Estonia doing well: given its vulnerable geopolitical situation, they really have an incentive to crank out as many bright, indispensable people as possible.

    Of course, divided test scores on ethnic lines isn’t solely an American thing. You have to wonder what the scores would reveal for say, Germany, if you broke it down between ethnic Germans and non-Germans, particularly if you took out groups like the Vietnamese or the Poles who probably do just fine educationally. I’d also be surprised if Singapore still doesn’t overtake Beijing/Shanghai if you only counted the Singaporean Han, or if Malaysian Chinese didn’t do significantly better than the bumiputera.

    (And claiming that Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Guangdong are representative of the entire PRC-without a hukou, you do not get access to local schools, so migrant kids from the countryside are not present!-is like claiming that the wealthier suburbs of DC, Boston, Seattle, Dallas, and the Bay are representative of the US.)

  5. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    Even if the Chicom numbers are legit and not massaged as others have pointed out before and will point out again having only the Top ~5%+ richest areas of China are obviously pretty unrepresentative of the country as a whole, which has a lot of poorer cities and also a massive rural non-urban population.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  6. The racial breakdown is enlightening, indeed. Maybe the MSM could be induced to transmit this information under the guise of demonstrating the extent of American “white privilege.”

    It’s kind of surprising that U.S. Whites beat (just barely) Japan, Korea and Taiwan. And this despite their reputation for requiring their kids to be fanatical grinds in elementary school. (And, by the way, suck it, Canada!).

    Is there any indication how representative the Chicom scores really are? It looks like they might have cherry-picked the best scores from a handful of major cities.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @sturbain
  7. Don’t worry, iSteve fans, our master’s voice will be suppressed just like it always is.

  8. nebulafox says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    >Is there any indication how representative the Chicom scores really are? It looks like they might have cherry-picked the best scores from a handful of major cities.

    It’s not quite that exclusive: Guangdong and Jiangsu are whole provinces, albeit the wealthiest ones. But the big trick is that in order to attend school in a given location in China, your parents need to have a local hukou permit. That means if migrants from the countryside end up in Shenzhen or Guangzhou, their kids can’t follow them. They’ll typically shack up with their grandparents or something while they go to school in their home county.

  9. Lot says:

    Any test partly involving math where US whites do better than Japanese is highly suspect. Same for US blacks above Bulgarians.

    It would be really cool if we had a high quality and precise transnational intelligence data. But we don’t.

    I still agree with your general point that US public schools are very good on average. And I’d go further and say there isn’t actually much room for improvement absent demographic changes.

    Regarding US spending, don’t forget US per capita GDP is much higher than every other nation with 10 million or more people.

    Have a look:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    Only Australia and Netherlands are even in our ballpark.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Kratoklastes
    , @sb
  10. Romanian says: • Website

    The results of my country keep worsening. We are fully 15 points lower in Math than where we were in 2012, despite consistent economic growth rates. I think it is the result of a few different factors – nobody cares so no incentive to cheat or pad the results (selective testing) and we are getting good/better coverage of the population, including the woefully poor; our heavy brain drain and differential fertility rates are coming home to roost; the deprofessionalization of the teaching corps, especially as the old guard retires and talented people have better economic prospects in other sectors; social strife and a collapse in values have led to a disenchantment with the value of formal education as a precondition for a better life, and especially of education for its own sake; the growing inequality between schools based on student sorting, reputation-based aggregation and on differences in parent involvement, local funding etc.

  11. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Are there any stats on the races’ scores on tests other than IQ tests that differentiates Jews, non-Jewish/non-Mestizo whites, East Asians, and South Asians?

    • Replies: @Lot
  12. Arclight says:

    The NYT cite is pretty funny – obviously we couldn’t possibly ascribe the persistent gaps between high and low performers to the fact that there are smart people and not so smart people, and people from each of these groups tend to have kids with mates like themselves, with predictable results.

    I once got into a conversation with a friend at the gym about the performance of our city’s public schools, and he asked why it was School X was able to do so well on state tests and so on and we didn’t see the same results at other schools nearby even when they had the same academic structure…when I answered that obviously it was because School X had a lot of smart students and the other schools didn’t, he just sort of stared for about ten seconds and then said he had never considered that.

    We all have our blind spots, but a consistent one on the left is the assumption that any disparity can be addressed with the right mix of coercive public policies and funding.

  13. Steve, any data on how e.g. US white students score vs UK white students, for example?

  14. Harold says:

    New Zealand Asian mean: 521
    New Zealand White mean: 519
    New Zealand Māori mean: 460
    New Zealand Pacific Islander mean: 438

    • Replies: @22pp22
  15. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    on a semi-related note, what are the best and worst things about each state?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/09/26/best-worst-thing-every-state/37857241/

    California
    Best: Lowest gender pay gap

    California women make 89 cents for every dollar a man makes — certainly not perfect, but a higher rate than in any other state.

    Worst: Lowest high school attainment

    Roughly one in six Californians have not finished high school, the highest rate in the country

    Maine
    Best: Lowest violent crime rate

    Maine ranks as the safest state in the country, as there were just 124 violent crimes reported for every 100,000 residents — less than a third of the national rate.

    Worst: Least diverse

    According to the latest Census data, 94.4 percent of Maine’s population is white, beating out nearby Vermont and New Hampshire as the least diverse states..

  16. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    X-axis origin should be at zero: Major graph fail.

    China’s shenanigans with the PISA are well known, but I also expect that there is a lot of cheating in the Hong Kong tests, since Hong Kong and the SAT and various other college admissions tests have had a fraught history. Is Macau similar? Singapore also seems fishy, given the large and dumb Malaysian population component that should temper the Chinese results.

    On the other hand, I think Japan is completely honest in its administration of the test.

    Looked at this way, the U.S. is doing really well.

  17. Lot says:
    @Lot

    The GDP data shows as well how vulnerable the USA is to a Merkel figure.

    Now Germany has a higher labor share of GDP than we do, but we have lower taxes. So our 30% higher per capita GDP roughly reflects how much higher our incomes are.

    We have a few other things making us more attractive than Germany:

    1. English is far more common a second language in the third world
    2. Outside of a few spots on the coasts, our housing is newer, better, and cheaper.
    3. Higher wages are on top of more plentiful job openings.

    Merkel’s flood of 1.6 million illegal Muslim/African migrants could very well be the model for Warren or Biden’s 4 million Central Americans and 5 million Africans. Per year.

    Our control of the Senate and Supreme Court won’t stop this.

    And as with Merkel, it wouldn’t exactly be a deliberate plan so much as a lack of will to stop the invasion.

    In conclusion, go here:

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/get-involved/

  18. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    “ Are there any stats on the races’ scores on tests other than IQ tests that differentiates Jews, non-Jewish/non-Mestizo whites, East Asians, and South Asians?”

    AJs v other whites was studied in detail in the 1930-1960 period and was generally about 1SD.

    The gap is smaller now as “Jews” includes a lot of people with diluted or no AJ ancestry. AJs probably had less of a boost from the Flynn effect.

    There is no high quality data that just averages all the S. Asians in Asia. But the evidence is that it is pretty low.

    S. Korea, Japan, and urban Chinese are definitely around 105 to 106 on the US white scale. Rural Chinese are going to be lower, unclear by how much.

  19. does this mean we have the best school system in the world?

  20. @Arclight

    This comment is somewhat O/T for the post, on topic for your comment, and in particular, a reply to the commenter named Jesse who gets on people’s cases for not talking about race more, yet chiding us for having the gall to bring up women’s traditional roles here:

    Last week at one of those kid’s fun centers (trampolines and that) I ran into a woman from my boy’s elementary school. She has two kids. Her boy of middle school age is in private school (~ $15K/yr.), and she told me the girl wants to go to the public middle school. That school is almost 1/2 black, but used to have a good reputation, probably from well before it was 1/2 black.

    We went back and forth about it, but I wasn’t trying to give her advice, just chatting. At won’t point I just said “yeah, well that school is just too black.”. Well, she didn’t answer with anything, critical or not, but, then again, she didn’t get p/o-ed or cut the conversation short either. I imagine she was surprised to hear it so bluntly, but I don’t care. As far as running into her later, people are pretty friendly around here, and it’s not like I’m very good with names and even faces of the Moms anyway, though many of the MILFS are not at all forgettable, especially in the early fall and late spring months!

    • LOL: BlackFlag
  21. Harold says:

    For example, if you want to score higher, don’t round up your dumber students to take the test.

    Some countries might want to score lower, or the sort of people involved in administering such tests might: it gives them more leverage to argue for more education spending. This seems more likely for my country. I would like to think they just strive for good data.

    The general trend over the years has been down here. 24% of NZ whites scored level 5 or above in Maths proficiency in 2003 down to 13% in 2018.

    NZ whites just edged US whites in maths. (507 vs 503)

  22. @anonymous

    Maine ranks as the safest state in the country, as there were just 124 violent crimes reported for every 100,000 residents — less than a third of the national rate.

    That’s why it’s vital we import more Somalis to Maine. Someone has to do the jobs Americans won’t do. After all, there are hundreds of potential murder victims rotting on the vine in Maine. This is not who we are!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  23. nglaer says:

    Really hard to believe US blacks do better than Malaysia, etc.

  24. Bill P says:

    No, you cannot trust the Chinese BSJZ scores, because the majority of children in these cities are barred from public schools and not tested (no hukou, no public education).

    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/06/china-migrant-school-beijing-subway-expansion-hukou-children/592312/

  25. @nebulafox

    I was going to ask Steve, but I see you got this N.B.: Why is the Z for Guangdong province? Could this be just the city of Zhuhai or is that the code they use from the airlines or something?

    • Replies: @Coag
  26. Coag says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Apparently the Z stands for Zhejiang province and not Guangdong.

    According to wikipedia Jiangsu and Zhejiang are the provinces with the two highest GDP per capita. (Only the urban enclaves of Beijing, Shanghai, and Tianjin have higher GDP per capita)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @nier
  27. Uku says:

    Native swedes scored 525 points on average. Native estonians scored about 531-33 points. Ethnic natives in a lot of TOP european countries scored at about 515-535 points. While Estonia is at the efficiency frontier on at least 3 pairs of variables (PISA result versus GDP per capita, PISA result versus average education cost per student), in my opinion the greatest feat is with respect to the population size corresponding to the number of natives (or permanent residents) who took the test in native state language – only 1 million (of which 0,9 million are native ethnic estonians). It shows that any similarly small ethnic group could achieve the same in their native language. Icelanders are on that efficiency frontier as well.

  28. Steve, I wonder how much the Puerto Ricans push down the average for the Hispanic American population. After all, didn’t Puerto Rico score 0% proficient and 0% advanced on one of the PISA’s back then? Assuming that performance gets taken stateside, it is likely that this is dragging down the Hispanic American average, as they are roughly 9% of the Hispanic American population.

    Also US Asians are monsters lol, even the non East Asian ones.

    US Whites continue to showcase themselves as the most intelligent large group in the world.

    US Blacks are interesting, as on all other socioeconomic indicators, they are significantly below average, crime, etc, to other Black populations around the world. The nutritional boost of being American truly is powerful.

  29. istevefan says:

    U.S. whites outscored all countries founded by whites (light blue bars)

    First, Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia all have green bars like the other muslim nations. Shouldn’t they have blue? Or are the bars being color coded based upon religion?

    Second, North Macedonia has a green bar, but it is not even a muslim majority nation. Christians are still 2/3rds of the population. It should be blue.

    Third, Malaysia and Indonesia also have green bars instead of the yellow bars that other Asian nations have. I suppose if the bars are coded for religion this makes sense.

  30. dvorak says:

    after 26 years of use, MS Excel graphs remains an unpleasant mystery to me

    iSteve ought to use the software from think-cell.com

    Every management consultant uses it for painless charting. I want to start seeing some waterfall charts here!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  31. @Coag

    Thank you, Coag, and without even looking at a map, I recall that Zhejiang is near to Shanghai. It ain’t no Yunnan or Heilongjiang , put it that way. (Inside China joke, people. Even I don’t get it.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Bill P
  32. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    I already know what would happen if you had a white to white comparison.

    Forget all the minorities in western nations for a minute. We’ll only compare White Americans to native Germans, native Brits, native French, etc.

    Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians would be at the top of the pile.

    White Canadians would be next.

    Brits, Celts, Belgians and French would be in the middle. So would White Americans.

    Southern Euros and Eastern Euros would be at the bottom, as expected. The Yugoslavs would be at the very bottom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Spangel
  33. indocon says:

    I did a quick exercise to project the US PISA scores in 2050 based on the demographic changes of HS population (which I am guessing based on trends):
    PISA 2018 2050
    White 521 49% 32%
    AA 436 16% 18%
    Hispanic 470 25% 35%
    Asian 521 6% 9%
    Mixed 494 4% 6%
    493.57 486.23

    US avg goes down from France’s level today to Spain’s level…. that is a material change if you ask me, France for all its ills is still a modern economy that can compete in sectors it chooses to compete like luxury, aerospace, defense, high speed rail, nuclear power. Spain on the other hand is a basket case back office space for the rest of Western Europe (kind of like what Arizona is to US), can’t think of any industrial sector where it dominates.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  34. 22pp22 says:

    Last time round, you provided a racial breakdown for New Zealand. Is that available this year?

  35. @Anon

    0 only has meaning on the graph if it has meaning on the test. Maybe it does, or maybe the test is like the SAT, where you get 400 points for nothing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  36. 22pp22 says:

    Now I have read the comments as well as the article I see Harold provided the NZ data. Thanks Harold.

  37. iSteve, using your 2018 list as an example, it is not clear as to whether or not the difference between China (well, the four cities anyway) at 579 and , say, Germany/Belgium at 500 represents a significant difference or not. Put another way, is it the equivalent of a 1600 SAT vs. 1500 or 1600 vs. 1060 (the latter being the median SAT score in 2018)?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  38. 22pp22 says:
    @Harold

    Where did you get your data? Do you have the reading, math and science scores for all ethnic groups.

    • Replies: @Harold
  39. jpp says:

    The high performances of non Indo-European Estonia and Finland on these sorts of tests always pique my interest. The lesser but still relatively high scores of Latvia (Latvians tend to consistently outscore Indo-European Lithuania, for instance, as well as culturally prominent Mediterranean nationalities on IQ-esque measures ) are also of note. Even though Latvians have Indo-European origins and Latvian is regarded as an Indo-European language, it contains many borrowings from the extinct but essentially Finno-Ugric language Livonian and (my main point), genetically, many Latvians bred with Livonians for many years. There must be something about that Finno-Ugric DNA.

  40. Few ever comment on how remarkably low Israel’s scores are. The country is eighty percent Jewish. One would think…

    Contemplate the list of European states Israel actually managed to outscore. It’s not too impressive.

  41. @anonymous

    That article is garbage.

    Iowa:

    Worst: A bad place to bike

    Wrong, cyclists need to GTFO the roads.

    Louisiana:

    Worst: Largest gender pay gap

    Wrong, in LA women are paid appropriately for all the extra time they take off and for being 75% productive as men.

    Maine:

    Worst: Least diverse

    Wrong, being a cohesive, high-trust community is a good thing.

    Wyoming:

    Worst: Unequal representation

    Wrong, why would you want useless, overly emotional people deciding the direction of your state?

  42. @Prester John

    It’s supposed to be set up with 500 equals the OECD (rich country) mean and a standard deviation of 100, although the OECD mean is 488 and I don’t know what the standard deviation is in practice. So the difference between 579 and 500 would be roughly like the difference on the SAT between 1158 (on a 400 to 1600 scale) and 1000.

  43. So mr. race scientist Steve Sailer not only thinks that Latin American is a race but according to his choice of colours he also thinks that muslim is a race. I get that culture, economic conditions and policies are all relevant, but this is usually not your point.

  44. @Lot

    GDP per capita is a shit measure of aggregate welfare, because it includes ‘G’ (government spending) without consideration of the budget situation.

    GDP is overstated – significantly – because all the price deflators used to convert things to ‘real’ quantities are understated as a result of ‘reforms’ in the late 80s (reforms deliberately designed to reduce reported CPI and PCE deflators, in order to bilk pension recipients of the COLA adjustments they were promised).

    Personal Consumption Expenditure per capita at PPP[1] is a better measure, but there’s still the problem that in countries with a high NPSBR (net public sector borrowing requirement) there is an implied future tax liability that is not being properly accounted for (you can tell because of low savings rates in those countries). There’s also all sorts of wiggle room introduced by things like owner-equivalent rent.

    Since the 90s modellers have known that it would be useful to build a data series that has the right properties (e.g., personal consumption expenditure of private sector employees, normalised for savings rates and NPSBR), to give a measure that answers the right question – i.e., “Does the system enable a normal schlub – someone in the middle quintile – to have a better life at than their forebears, without taking on crippling debt?“. (Hint: the answer is – unambiguously – No. )

    Nobody wants to fund that project because it would undermine government narratives.

    John Williams from ShadowStats has done sterling work on CPI and unemployment rates, and nobody in the mainstream pays attention to his work despite the fact that it really helps explain why the median private sector household is having a hard time treading water despite zero interest rates and allegedly 4% unemployment.

    A project I did a few years ago required us to mapping dwelling stress – where mortgage repayments (or rent) as a proportion of household income exceeded 30%.

    It’s really informative looking at where that ‘stress’ bites: almost every household below the top decile is extremely precariously-positioned – illness, family breakdown or job loss for the secondary worker, have become absolutely ruinous.

    Banks permit borrowers to amortise mortgage insurance into the mortgage, so default rates stay low – but the bottom 90% can only maintain their lifestyles by accumulating debt.

    [1] Geary-Khamis units of measure are kind of a half-way house, but they’re better than nominal USD.

  45. nurdle says:

    What’s up with US Hispanics outscoring Israel?

    • Replies: @SFG
  46. peterike says:

    So this is a map to the coming Jewish/Asian ruling class in America. Smart Jewish boy mates with cute Asian girl (90% of the time Chinese, and maybe 10% of those rare cute Subcons and a few Koreans thrown in) and makes potent Jew-nese children, who combine Jewish verbal smarts, Chinese math smarts, Jewish aggressiveness and deceitfulness and Chinese corrupt and amoral nature. In other words, the perfect ruling class specimen: crafty, calculating, ruthless and power hungry. You already see it happening.

    The future’s gonna be great.

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @SFG
    , @SFG
    , @Svevlad
  47. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Are these numbers broken out by geographic region and race for the US? I’m from Arkansas and want to know how hillbilly Americans performed compared to Yankees.

  48. MBlanc46 says:

    That appears to be pretty conclusive evidence that passing legislation and spending a lot of money can accomplish very little.

  49. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Your wrong. Switzerland, South Germans Flemish, south Dutch and Austrians typically reside at the top. the far north isn’t as smart/rich as Central Europe.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @utu
  50. Overall, everything looks like expected, with the same oddities that I have trouble understanting – Israel and Argentinian low scores, p. ex., and Italy’s slightly lower score when compared to its peers. As much as I’m amused for Argentinians losing to Brazil in the junior varsity PISA, I’m still kinda puzzled by it.

  51. Harold says:
    @22pp22

    pdf report here

    in the order reading, maths, science
    Asian: 517, 522, 523
    White: 524, 507, 526
    Māori: 463, 451, 465
    Pacific: 442, 433, 438

  52. Cato says:
    @Colin Wright

    The brilliant Ashkenazi socialists who founded Israel had one or two children apiece. The in-gathering from Yemen, Morocco, etc. had three or four apiece. It is a Middle Eastern country today.

    • Replies: @Coag
  53. Coag says:
    @Colin Wright

    The State of Israel is not Old Vilna. Its PISA scores are perhaps consistent with Hannah Arendt’s anthropological report on the land.

    “On top, the judges, the best of German Jewry. Below them, the prosecuting attorneys, Galicians, but still Europeans. Everything is organized by a police force that gives me the creeps, speaks only Hebrew, and looks Arabic…

    ”They would obey any order. And outside the doors, the oriental mob, as if one were in Istanbul or some other half-Asiatic country.”

  54. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    I thought India was participating in the latest round of testing. A few thoughts:

    1)Do all countries have breakdowns based on ethnicity? Eg indigenous Dutch vs the near-majority Turks/Moroccans/blacks, Israeli Jews vs Israeli Muslims etc?

    2)Why do Australia/New Zealand do worse than Canada? I thought more of their immigrants were of the tiger-parent variety. Dumber whites maybe?

    3)This recent article(link here) on Finland’s BBC says that in state tests, students at Swedish language high-schools dominate. In Canada, parents will sometimes put their kids in French immersion,(even if they don’t belong) as a way to avoid non-Asian diversity. Could this be happening in Finland?

    • Replies: @22pp22
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  55. Coag says:
    @Cato

    There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth about achievement gaps between European Jews and Oriental Jews and the scepter of institutional racism haunts the public school systems of Eretz Israel.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israeli-education-system-has-failed-mizrahi-jews

    The school year in Israel opens on 1 September. One subject rarely, if ever, discussed in Israel’s public discourse is the ethnic-racist character of the Israeli educational system. Since the country’s founding, high schools have been divided into academic and trade tracks. Trade schools provide vocational education at the conclusion of which a student is meant to have gained a trade but has not earned a matriculation certificate enabling her or him to go on to university.

    At the academic high schools, meanwhile, the student sits for matriculation examinations and, with adequate results, can then continue her or his education at the post-secondary level.

    This kind of division into vocational versus academic education is controversial from a pedagogical standpoint, but in Israel the issue is especially contentious. During the decades since the mass immigration of Jews from Arab and Islamic countries to Israel, the Israeli educational establishment operates on the assumption that most of those students are not capable, from a cognitive standpoint, of any excellence in academic subjects like history, literature, biology or physics. They are deemed more suited to vocational subjects preparing them to work as auto mechanics or electricians (for young men) or in fashion or as typists (for young women).

    The pronouncements from senior education ministry officials in the old days were really racist. In 1945, Eliezer Rieger, a vocational education official and later director-general of the ministry of education, spoke of the necessary separation between Mizrahi and Ashkenazi pupils in the schools: “Pursuit of a prevocational track should be a blessing for Mizrahi students, since… children from Mizrahi families, or at least many of them, are not capable of abstract learning and will not profit very much from study that is not practical in nature.”

    At the end of the 1950s, ministry director-general Yaakov Sarid said that “to some extent we must erect a barrier against the abnormal assault on the academic high schools by all of the primary school graduates”. In other words, the communities that arrived in Israel from the Arab and Islamic countries wanted their children to attend high schools that offered an academic future, but the education ministry prevented them, on purpose.

  56. @Alice

    It’s a huge whitepill for any civic nationalist and a blackpill for any “USA is collapsing any day now” crowd. Not only do USA Asians and USA Whites do very well, even blacks outscore 2nd world countries like Romania.

    More importantly, 1st gen migrants to the US score a respectable 479. In Sweden, they only score 410 (and we leave out the highest proportion of people due to “newly arrived status” so their real score should be even lower).

    This means that US migration is more cognitively demanding than often given credit for, although it can of course become even better. All in all, whether we like it or not, the sun isn’t setting on the US empire any time soon.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Dumbo
  57. nebulafox says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, my mistake, I should have applied a little bit of a common sense. It’s ironic, I was doing a bit of research into Hangzhou’s condensed matter physics institute earlier today. I almost got to go to a conference there. Really regret the fact that life intervened and I couldn’t.

    The point still stands, though: this is not representative of the whole country. China’s less developed provinces have come a long way in the last decade-even Guiyang is becoming home to a huge big data initiative out in Guizhou-but not that far.

  58. Cato says:

    You have to wonder about sample selection bias. Education officials always have an incentive to game major tests, and this test is based only on a sample from each country. What’s to stop the officials from directing the test-administrators to the highest performing schools?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  59. I wonder what proportion of American whites in this study are actually Jewish.

  60. @nebulafox

    Of course, divided test scores on ethnic lines isn’t solely an American thing.

    In Israel, Jews averaged about 500, Arabs in the high 300s. As in the US, much handwringing over “the gap”. Also as in the US, the low-performing group is still doing better than in countries run by that group.

    And bearing out another of Steve’s observations, Jews (probably) scored higher in the US than in Israel.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/israel-s-real-existential-threat-are-the-gaps-between-its-jewish-and-arab-students-1.8221556
    (Disable javascript to get past Haaretz’s paywall)

    https://www.themarker.com/news/education/1.8217664

    • Replies: @Lot
  61. Harold says:
    @nebulafox

    Between vs within school variation

  62. Harold says:
    @Colin Wright

    Check out the variation in Israel

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @EH
    , @EH
  63. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:

    Hard to believe how weak the Balkans are on this list. Yikes. I thought the Albanians were the neighborhood retards but there is a large cluster of dumb countries over there.

    Maybe it’s a lack of iodine in their diet …persists throughout the region?

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @nymom
    , @Romanian
  64. Moshe says:
    @Colin Wright

    I haven’t looked into it, nor do I know what PISA scores are, nor am I even typing this. I’m dictating it because I happen to care so little about sharing this obvious observations.

    but my guess is that you’re all missing the very obvious fact that there are a million Chareidim in Israel who don’t participate in this or any other test and therefore get an automatic zero.

    all of you mavens on everything regarding Jews somehow seem to have miss the thrust of the story regarding all things Jewish – those who actually pass on the Jewish cultural line and have Jewish children.

    my sarcastic tone is not meant for those who don’t have strong negative inclinations towards my geneticultural tribe (™), just towards those who go around trying to spread ill-will and ill feelings that might end up causing me personally some trouble. for the rest of you, I hope you just enjoy the enlightenment that I offer

  65. Moshe says:

    I haven’t looked into it, nor do I know what PISA scores are, nor am I even typing this. I’m dictating it because I happen to care so little about sharing this obvious observations.

    but my guess is that you’re all missing the very obvious fact that there are a million Chareidim in Israel who don’t participate in this or any other test and therefore get an automatic zero.

    all of you mavens on everything regarding Jews somehow seem to have miss the thrust of the story regarding all things Jewish – those who actually pass on the Jewish cultural line and have Jewish children.

    my sarcastic tone is not meant for those who don’t have strong negative inclinations towards my geneticultural tribe (™), just towards those who go around trying to spread ill-will and ill feelings that might end up causing me personally some trouble. for the rest of you, I hope you just enjoy the enlightenment that I offer.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    , @22pp22
  66. utu says:

    On smart fraction 95 percentile the US in Math is on 34th place (#Table I.B1.5).

    1 716 | BSJZ.China
    2 713 | Singapore
    3 696 | HongKong.China
    4 686 | ChineseTaipei
    5 685 | Macao.China
    6 684 | Korea
    7 668 | Switzerland
    8 664 | Japan
    9 664 | Netherlands
    10 661 | Canada
    11 661 | Poland
    12 657 | Estonia
    15 651 | UnitedKingdom
    17 650 | Germany
    18 647 | Sweden
    27 639 | Finland
    28 638 | France
    30 636 | OECDtotsample
    32 634 | OECDavg

    33 632 | Israel
    36 629 | UnitedStates
    38 627 | Russia
    40 625 | Ireland
    43 619 | VietNam

  67. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Correct, the blue banana effect, absorbing high IQ migrants from elsewhere in Europe for about 700 years. Though to make it more accurate, I’d extend it from Paris to Copenhagen.

    Though I don’t know what you mean by “south dutch.”

    Maastricht and Limburg are nice and all, but nothing special.

    And “North Dutch” Frisians are extra special because they resisted both conquest and feudalism, and their language is the closest cousin to English.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Frisian_languages

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_freedom

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  68. 22pp22 says:
    @Anonymous

    New Zealand has a huge Polynesian population. See commenter Harold for details. Take that away and NZ whites and Asians perform at the same level as US whites.

  69. @utu

    What do these numbers represent?

    • Replies: @Lot
  70. Ignorance truly is bliss:

    Will the dumb inherit the earth?

  71. @Cato

    Azerbaijan or some other Central Asian country got caught cheating in the past.

    Spain’s reading score this time was determined to be invalid, although I don’t know why.

  72. 22pp22 says:
    @Moshe

    People here are well aware of Jewish intellectual prowess, and I seriously doubt the Israeli authorities are so stupid as not to have taken Haredim attitudes into account. Removing the Haredim massively increases the proportion of Israeli Arab schoolchildren.

    Interestingly, Israel’s tiny Christian minority scores very well indeed in university entrance tests.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  73. Lot says:
    @International Jew

    “And bearing out another of Steve’s observations, Jews (probably) scored higher in the US than in Israel.”

    Probably? I’d bet 100 to 1.

  74. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Ranking of nations by the raw score of the 95th percentile on the math subtest.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  75. Clyde says:

    250% off topic
    #1 – Always use flu.x program a small and easy download, easy to find on internet. https://www.bing.com/search?q=flu.x+program&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN For MS Windows to red shift your monitor or laptop screen at night. Away from blue light and into the red.
    But now I have an even better double red shift with the new HP IPS monitor I got Black Friday. This monitor is advertised as having a low blue light setting. But even better it has a setting called “night” which is a red shift option.
    At this hour this double red shift is very soothing. Don’t be like a battery raised chicken that has strong lights on 24 hours a day to stimulate egg laying.

  76. Native Swedish reading scores: 525. Finland is at 527.
    1st gen migrants reading scores: 410. And Sweden had the largest share (11%) of pupils who were excluded because of being “newly arrived” so the number is even worse.

    The gap between native and migrant is one of the worst in Sweden in all of OECD. Finland is in a bad shape too in that sense.

    The US 1st gen migrant are surprisingly good (479). Not as good as in Australia or Canada when immigration is even more selective, but anyone betting on the US collapsing because of immigration better re-think given that 2nd gen migrant scores are almost always higher than 1st gen.

  77. @utu

    Wasn’t Vietnam disqualified from PISA this year?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  78. @Thulean Friend

    Vietnam debuted 3 years ago with a nice high score, but only about 50% coverage.

  79. wuer says:

    A bit of context for those who are not familiar with China and its population distribution: Shanghai (25 million), Beijing (21 million), Zhejiang Province (56 million) and Jiangsu Province (80 million). For these four municipal cities and provinces alone, we are talking about a population size of 185 million people in total, roughly 60% of all U.S. population.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  80. J says: • Website

    Argentina: I am in shock! Can’t be so low! yet it explains a lot about its persistent political and economic failure.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  81. The thing that explains the Israel numbers is Charles Murray IQ chart for Jews, i think Ashkenazi… According to Murray, what makes Jews chart odd is the unusually large number (although still very few people) in the super right extreme tail end of super extreme smart. Its those right tail end people that change society, like Ford, Edison, Zuckerberg, etc. So on average Jews/Israelis may not be better than nations that do not have as many accomplishments, but if Murray is right, then they have far more of that very small number of people at far right tail end that make all the difference, such as make advanced weapons, Waze, Mobileye, etc., the disrupters

    • Replies: @utu
  82. @Anonymous

    3)This recent article(link here) on Finland’s BBC says that in state tests, students at Swedish language high-schools dominate.

    The article is talking about school grades which is a very unfair competition since it includes languages and that’s especially weighed in the final exams. Everyone takes English and probably German, Russian or French and that gives a rather massive advantage to a native Swedish speaker compared to a native Finnish speaker since Swedish is Indo-European and very close to both English and German. Swedish speakers are also basically all fluent in Finnish so they get a “free” good grade with Finnish while Finns generally don’t bother learning Swedish.

    Swedish speakers have consistently done worse than ethnic Finns at PISA tests (although Swedes had their best ever results this year) and eg. this state news article makes the same point about language and grades:

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/swedish-speaking_students_outperform_finnish_peers_in_final_exam/10809408

    We have had all sorts of loony efforts to “close the gap” and bring Swedes to the level of Finns. I can’t find a lot of stuff in English but some. Did you know that the EU funds literacy promotion among ethnic Swedes in Finland?

    http://www.eli-net.eu/good-practice/examples-of-good-practice/detail/project/literacy-ambassador-for-swedish-speaking-schools-in-finland

    This is a MASSIVELY touchy subject in Finland since the heavy weighing of language and especially English gives native Swedish speakers a big advantage in university admissions, on top of legally mandated positive discrimination in favor of the Swedish minority. This is a big reason for ethnic Finns to focus on more standardized culture neutral tests like PISA and would probably go much further if it didn’t run into the problem that the more purely g loaded a test is the worse our new minorities do. Plus we’ve completely imported the American idea that ethnic majority activism is inherently morally wrong.

    Mr Edward Dutton (who is surely familiar to some here) made a brief media career out of using PISA scores to support his theory that Finns are biologically more intelligent than Swedes which is apparently fine for our MSM but it all ended when they realized that he also believes in biological differences between Europeans and some newcomers…

    In Canada, parents will sometimes put their kids in French immersion,(even if they don’t belong) as a way to avoid non-Asian diversity. Could this be happening in Finland?

    Not really but it’s happening with English immersion classes and probably Mandarin immersion classes soon. Selective elite private schools would be too controversial here but specialized international schools are one work around as you can even put your kid in a “diverse” class with kids of ambassadors etc and totally dodge the accusation of racism.

    The reason it’s unlikely to happen much with Swedish schools is that the Swedish minority is very insular and protective of its own identity; 95 % of them vote for their ethnic minority party which has no principles except “is it good for the Swedes” and they would raise hell if their schools would start to get diluted with ethnic Finns fleeing diversity. (Another touchy issue is that their party is fervently pro-migration and pro-multiculti when Swedes are extremely insulated from any effects of diversity while Finns are not. They get to have all sorts of organizations that promote strict ethnic interest while our attempts are demonized.)

  83. Dumbo says:
    @J

    I am surprised it is lower than Brazil, I would expect it to be similar to Chile and Uruguay. However in recent decades Argentina received many Bolivian, Venezuelan and Peruvian low-class, indigenous immigrants who likely are helping to bring down the score. But there could be other explanations, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  84. sb says:
    @Lot

    The US always looks pretty good on mean average measures but much less so on median measures

  85. @Lot

    That’s the result of the No (white male) Child Let Ahead Harrison Bergeron shit I’ve seen up close. Suburban school class sizes get bigger the more advanced they are.

    • Replies: @Lot
  86. It is incredibly hypocritical that all the mainstream media write long articles analyzing this data, and never even once do what Steve Sailer has done here, separating out the US racial groups. It gives such powerful insights!

    The European countries should do the same with their PISA scores, and that would put Estonia (with its all-white student population) back in the middle of the ethnic-European performance rank. Ireland would also slip back into the middle, with the northern European ethnic-European students going back to the top.

  87. utu says:
    @Melvin Moody

    So one would expect that 95 percentile for Israel would be very high but it is not. Israel is on 31st place for 95 percentile PISA math. See comment #67.

    • Replies: @Melvin Moody
  88. utu says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Another touchy issue is that their party is fervently pro-migration and pro-multiculti when Swedes are extremely insulated from any effects of diversity while Finns are not. They get to have all sorts of organizations that promote strict ethnic interest while our attempts are demonized.

    That’s what cohesive self-aware minorities do. Whether Jews everywhere they live or Swedes in Finland.

  89. @22pp22

    Interestingly, Israel’s tiny Christian minority scores very well indeed in university entrance tests.

    What’s the source for this? Is the same in Lebanon with their Christians?

    • Replies: @22pp22
  90. Betta says:

    Don’t forget many Asian Americans are first or second generation immigrants. Their PhD parents teach them in Asian ways at home.

  91. @nebulafox

    “You have to wonder what the scores would reveal for say, Germany, if you broke it down between ethnic Germans and non-Germans, particularly if you took out groups like the Vietnamese or the Poles who probably do just fine educationally.”

    I have not seen data on this specifically, but fig. 13 on p. 28 of the report PISA 2018: Insights and Interpretations shows that foreign-born students score some 60 points below native-born students on reading here in Germany. That would seem to be an important bit of information, given that Germany has absorved a rather lot of immigrants recently. I have yet to see this point mentioned in the general handwringing that the publication of the new report has caused.

  92. Anon 2 says:
    @utu

    It’s interesting how on the smart fraction 95 percentile level, in math, Poland
    outscores Estonia, U.K., Germany, Sweden, Finland, France, U.S. and Russia
    (in this order). Poland has an extremely high quality “smart fraction.” Not
    surprising considering the top medals Poland keeps winning at the International
    Mathematical Olympiad, etc.

  93. @utu

    @UTU

    Just conjecture, but that super high tail right end on the IQ chart is above 99 percentile or not even measurable on these scales. I have known lots of people in 95 percentile and above, but never have known someone like a Zuckerberg, Milken, etc. I think Russia may suffer from the same malaise, on average not the best, but a lot of high super achievers in even the above 99 percentile range to make the difference. Russians seem to accomplish more than Danes, Swedes, etc. Think of areas requiring intelligence beyond the charts, like concert pianists, particle physicists, etc., Russians and Israelis do very well, probably more so than Chinese, Swedes and Danes percentage wise, but thats not reflected in their averages.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @BlackFlag
  94. syonredux says:
    @utu

    On smart fraction 95 percentile the US in Math is on 34th place (#Table I.B1.5).

    What is the racial breakdown at the 95th percentile for the USA ?

    • Replies: @utu
  95. northeast says:

    Argentina never fails to disappoint. It’s still very much a Europen demographic. It’s like the land of the lost.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @anon
  96. Lot says:

    “ I ritually point out that each race within the U.S. (see the red bars in my graph) did pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world. ”

    Kevin Drum did this for California a few months ago. His point was the same too: when you adjust by race, California’s weak test scores actually look pretty average!

  97. Anon 2 says:
    @22pp22

    Interesting comments in Jerusalem Post on how to explain Israel’s
    mediocre performance on PISA:

    “Decades of rambunctious behavior” (among pupils)

    “The lack of manners among adults, very evident for decades, is a natural
    result of lack of moral education at home.”

  98. utu says:
    @Melvin Moody

    Conjectures are a dime a dozen particularly when they confirm your bias and pet theories. Otoh proving something would be really something.

  99. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Israel is basically a Jewish Greece. Similar populations, talents, economic profiles and industries. They both spend way more than they can afford on their militaries, but whereas Israel can dip into the U.S. treasury to fund this, Greece can’t. (The Greeks thought they had a similar arrangement with the E.U., but found out the hard way that they don’t.)

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Medvedev
    , @IHTG
  100. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @oddsbodkins

    Good point. I checked at the PISA website, and PISA scores are a true ratio scale, unlike IQ. The range is from 0 to 1,000. See the footnote to the chart here:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/pisa2015highlights_3.asp

  101. utu says:
    @syonredux

    “What is the racial breakdown at the 95th percentile for the USA ?” – Why would you ask such a silly question? Anyway, this is the 95 percentile so whoever made it is there and probably you won’t find there many blacks or Hispanics. You can’t complain that blacks and Hispanics are dragging you down. Just your Jews and Asians are not doing as well as they say they do.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  102. @Anon

    Singapore’s results may seem fishy, but comments online seem to back it up.

    PISA 2018 results from singapore

    We did it more equally. I come from a neighbourhood school, in 2017 about 40 students from Express, NA and NT were selected to do the test. Only a couple were class toppers.

    NT are our worst students. Express is merely our above average. The top students are in what we call the IP (integrated programme) track.

  103. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Good response to the nonsensical Anonymous[217] but is there more to your claim?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  104. 22pp22 says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    This is pretty good.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4323529,00.html

    I don’t know anything about the situation in Lebanon.

  105. Another cool comment from reddit regarding China’s PISA results.

    Chinese results are definitely not representative, and its pretty clear they want to show the world that they are on top. Why?

    In 2015, they had Guangdong, but the Guangdong results pulled their overall scores down, because they only got 10th place that year So this time they replaced Guangdong with Zhejiang. And if you know Chinese history, you will know why they did that.

    So now you have Beijing, Zhejiang, Jiangsu and Shanghai. Well the last three are areas that historically scored the highest in the Imperial Exams since the Song Dynasty.

    Just by changing one province they went from 10th place to 1st place. Guangdong has a population of 110 Million, the others in the previous sample Beijing, Shanghai and Jiangsu had a total population of 100 Million. So Guangdong results must have been low, most likely somewhere around the 20th place. Guangdong has a lot of poor and underdeveloped areas, unlike Jiangsu and Zhejiang because the Pearl River Delta is much smaller than the Yangtze Delta.

    • Replies: @Betta
  106. Betta says:
    @The Wobbly Guy

    Actually China released data of average IQ of children by province. Guangdong is below average in China. Zhejiang is the number 1. Jiangsu is above average, not top.
    Tibet is by far the lowest, lower than the second worst by 10+ points.

  107. Bill P says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Zhejiang merchants dominated trade in Beijing when I lived there 20 years ago. They are smart, efficient, honest and productive. In comparison, the Chinese from dongbei (the Northeast) come off as dumb, thuggish, lazy and shifty. However, I personally like the NE Chinese despite all that.

    Zhejiang is probably the most Protestant province in China. I don’t know whether this has anything to do with their business acumen and educational achievement, but I wouldn’t rule it out.

  108. Medvedev says:
    @Anonymous

    ^This
    Without deep US/Canadian/UK pockets and international Jewry racket Israel would be no different than any other non-Muslim Mediterranean country – Spain, Portugal, Greece or Southern Italy.

    If you look at anything that surrounds Jewish exceptionalism (achievements, superiority, IQ etc) you will find loads and load of lies.
    Just this one “Israel tech industry, Israel is a capital of IT outside of US” etc. Plenty of US companies opened huge development centers in Israel (Intel, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Cisco, Facebook, HP, IBM, Apple. You name it! Almost every US company has big office in Israel with hundreds and sometimes thousands of employees.

    Born just 68 years ago, Israel has developed a reputation as one of the world’s most innovative tech hubs. Silicon Valley multinationals in particular have cottoned on, setting up offices in the region and acquiring numerous Israeli startups.

    There is no other country on earth that thinks the same way that we [Google] do like Israel does.
    “Israel truly is the ‘Startup Nation.’ You think like us. You break things, you make things, you’re creative. It’s special.”

    Dodge said cheaper engineers in places like Russia, India, and China were often not as good: “It’s about innovation, creativity, taking tremendous risks, understanding how to get to market. That’s what Israel does. It’s not about the cost.

    Of course, for big companies it is never about the cost … lol … they’re replacing US workers with “cheaper engineers … that were often not as good”. But Israel is exceptional, it doesn’t need diversity.
    That’s why they’re willing to pay 40-50% more than in other dev offices around Europe (with exception of Switzerland). Because Israeli devs are so exceptional … every other Western country needs diversity, because natives aren’t good enough. But Israelis are exceptional and don’t need diversity.
    “There’s amazing talent here. Multinationals come here with great R&D centres and recruit people with a very innovative way of thinking.”
    Somehow PISA results, high school and university contests and competitions in Math, Physics, Programming do not support this.

  109. LondonBob says:
    @Romanian

    EU freedom of movement has really drained off the talented elite in countries like Romania, seems like it has been pretty disastrous.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @Romanian
  110. @indocon

    Larger population base will keep it from being as bad as Spain. Various Do-Evilers will try to make sure we’re worse than Spain, though.

  111. Romanian says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    Utter disaster. I asked my friend’s wife if she could hook me up with any of her hot friends from Med school, and she told me that only she and three other people from her study group are still in the country. The rest have all gone abroad. 4 out of ~30 doctors are left, while the total national loss rate among doctors is “only” 50% (so there is an age disparity in emigres from the group), so you can imagine what the situation will be in a few years. And the Euros expect us (as a nation, not as individuals) to thank them for the opportunity to get brain drained worse than pol-pot-ing the population would have done.

    PS The other three were married.

  112. LondonBob says:

    For the UK immigrants scored twenty points less than natives for reading, I can’t see anything reported for maths and science, I assume the gap was even larger there. Worryingly immigrant children were twenty percent of students, up from eleven percent in 2009.

    Also I assume that private schools are included given the results, the VDare debate about the poor performance of white British and better performance of Africans at GCSE level failed to note only certain state schools recorded results, the smart white British are all in private schools, of which we have a great number, hence the improbable results.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  113. SFG says:
    @peterike

    They could get Chinese charisma and Jewish looks and wind up writing all the software before getting tossed out at 35.

    Meiosis is a crapshoot.

  114. SFG says:
    @peterike

    BTW, I’ve mostly heard ‘Chewish’, but ‘Jewnese’ made me laugh.

  115. ag0 says:
    @anonymous

    Those nearby not-diverse states are just behind Maine in violent crime, at 3rd/4th lowest. The 2nd lowest for violent crime is Utah, also among the least diverse. One begins to suspect a connection.

  116. hamont says:

    I would be curious to see Canadian White scores versus US. From the reporting I’ve seen in Canada, Manitoba and Saskatchewan with high Native populations did poorly compared to Alberta, Quebec and Ontario.

  117. IHTG says:
    @Anonymous

    Israel is similar to Greece in many ways, but it takes more than US treasury funds to avoid making the mistakes Greece made.

  118. @Romanian

    Yeah, but Romania is in much better shape than 5-10 years ago. Things are improving & there is hope.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  119. @Colin Wright

    I’ve already given the link (not that I care for PISA, for that matter..):
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-test-widest-educational-gap-between-hebrew-arabic-speaking-israeli-kids/
    …………….
    In the PISA tests, Hebrew speakers scored 506 points in reading skills, the same as the previous assessment. However, Arabic speakers scored just 362 points, a drop of 29 points.

    The OECD average is 487 points, with the overall Israeli average at 470 points.

    In mathematics, Hebrew speakers remained at 490 points but Arabic speakers scored 379, a drop of 12 points. The OECD average is 489, with Israel’s average at 463, down seven points.

    Finally, in the sciences, Hebrew-speaking Israeli students remained at 491 points, while Arab students dropped 26 points to 375. The OECD average is 489 points and Israel’s average is 462, down five points since 2015.

    Overall, PISA showed a gap of 144 points in reading, 111 points in mathematics, and 116 points for sciences between Hebrew and Arabic speakers.

  120. Uku says:

    @Peter Johnson
    “All-white” is (was) an american concept. Sweden passed Estonia in the share of 1st generation immigrants only in 2015. Ethnic estonians comprise close to 75% of the children. About 78% of the pupils did the test in estonian language, thus at least 10% of the non-natives did the test in a foreign language (Estonia has partially segregated education system with estonian and russian language schools). The rest of non-immigrants did the test in russian language and still scored above OECD average and above the average of Russia. Of course, PISA sampling might skew those percentages, but the average score has been adjusted to the subpopulations. Based from 2015 results, Estonian averages in russian language were about 30 points below estonian language results, which would raise estonian language average by about 7 points. Applying that to the 2018 results would yield about 532 points. The 10% of non-natives (and an additional 4-7% of half-natives per each generation) having taken the test in estonian language might have drawn that average down as well. So about 535-540 points seems right for native estonians.
    In 2012 and 2015 some of the highest regional scores (around 550 points) were achieved in our islands Hiiumaa and Saaremaa, which have relatively few non-natives. Both islands have 1 town and the rest are basically villages and sparse inhabitation, population density is at about 11 persons per km2.

  121. Spangel says:
    @Anonymous

    That is evidently not the case. The Yugoslavs are everywhere. And it’s not because some non whites are bringing some of those countries down. It ranges from Slovenia, near the top to Kosovo near the bottom. Montenegro is near the bottom as well, so we can’t just blame Islam or part Turkish heritage. Their education systems must be very inconsistent.

  122. Arclight says:

    More evidence that you could shutter the Department of Education forever tomorrow and nothing would change, just like nothing has changed in the 40+ years of its existence. There is a lot of fat that could be trimmed from our federal government, but this might be the most useless cabinet level agency.

  123. @Jaakko Raipala

    the Swedish minority is very insular and protective of its own identity; 95 % of them vote for their ethnic minority party which has no principles except “is it good for the Swedes”

    Mr Edward Dutton (who is surely familiar to some here) made a brief media career out of using PISA scores to support his theory that Finns are biologically more intelligent than Swedes

    OTOH, the Swedish minority have had a disproportinate share of Finland’s most important people both in politics as well as in economics/business.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  124. @northeast

    Unlike in the US, where racial self-classification is very tightly correlated with genetics (as Steve himself has written about many times, using various studies), in Latin America, the concept of race is more sociological than logical and there is a fair amount of “aspiration” involved.

    Argentina is no exception to that pattern.

  125. @LondonBob

    Once you adjust for socio-economic factors, the UK had a -4 percentage point gap between natives and immigrants. The UK’s immigration policies are some of the most cognitively demanding in all of Europe (once again, the combination of being an island + English-speaking is unbeatable in this day and age).

    It is likely to become more cognitively demanding still post-Brexit, but also less white. Good if you’re a race-blind civic nationalist, which is what the Tories and UKIP de facto are.

  126. Pericles says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Everyone takes English and probably German, Russian or French and that gives a rather massive advantage to a native Swedish speaker compared to a native Finnish speaker since Swedish is Indo-European and very close to both English and German. Swedish speakers are also basically all fluent in Finnish so they get a “free” good grade with Finnish while Finns generally don’t bother learning Swedish.

    So the Swedes get to learn an extra, non-Indo-European language. Meanwhile the Finns skip Swedish, which would, apparently, help them with the other, more important languages. OK, you Finns can probably figure your way out of your dilemma.

    Hope the demonization of anti-migration stops, btw.

  127. a reader says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Thanks for the link, Kevin.

    medical experts that have evaluated Gomez concluded that Gomez had a violent psychotic break with reality at the time of the murder

    Her body was hidden under a pile of hay in her backyard, Berkeleyside reported. It took hours for police to realize her body was underneath the debris due to the careful nature of which it was hidden

    I would be inclined to find these two propositions mutually exclusive, but I am no medical expert.

  128. Svevlad says:
    @Romanian

    I’m young, and from a neighboring country. I damn well know, that unless students are punished for underperformance, they won’t care. Half of them will just give back a blank paper.

    In the balkans and surroundings nobody cares about actual education, just get decent grades and you’re set

    When we do care, though… Look at competitions.

  129. KarlS says:

    It would be interesting to see multi-ethnic Singapores scores broken down by ethnic group. Would the Chinese Singaporeans score as high as the top scoring Chinese?

  130. Svevlad says:
    @peterike

    Naw

    That just results in gypsies. Don’t ask how.

  131. Svevlad says:
    @Anonymous

    Students get no reward for participating, so most will try completing it in the shortest possible span, as they have better things to do.

    They don’t care, and never will. And that’s just the way I like it

  132. sturbain says:

    Heavily multi-ethnic Canada scores very well. Wonder what would happen if white/Asian population scores could be segregated out?

    While I’m not certain, I don’t believe Canada tracks race against test scores.

    Anyone know?

  133. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @northeast

    Argentina never fails to disappoint. It’s still very much a Europen demographic. It’s like the land of the lost.

    I believe there was a lot of Italian migration there in the 19th and early 20th centuries. So if you think of Argentina as “Very Far Southern Italy” some aspects of culture, politics and economics are clarified.

  134. Lin says:

    Can we trust the Chinese numbers? Beats me.

    (I've very accomplished as well as fuckup relatives, all within the larger family)
    There's a number of ways to look at the china data; take your pick:
    –Honestly, I would be happy if people don't trust china data; it doesn't bother me if average Chinese IQ = 80
    –As Ron Unz said before, social Darwinist pressure propel Chinese.
    PISA is racist, so just ignore it
    ………………
    Obviously IQ(intelligence Quotient, with its PISA correlation)is racist. I suggest to introduce new IQs:
    **IQ(Islamic Quotient)
    **IQ(Indigo Quotient)
    **IQ(Indic Quotient)
    **IQ(Irish Quotient)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Monkeyirishman.jpg

  135. nymom says:
    @Anonymous

    I read somewhere people that have access to a lot of meat in their diet generally score well on IQ measurements…

    Maybe people in the Balkans can’t afford a lot of meat in their diet and over time it makes them dumber.

    One theory amongst many.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    , @Spangel
  136. @utu

    On smart fraction 95 percentile the US in Math is on 34th place (#Table I.B1.5).

    Yep.

    But just to be clear–i think your point–this isn’t because US education particularly sucks, it’s simply because the US has a much, much larger NAM faction of its school age population–something around like 45% (depending on who you count) then any of these other nations. So our nation 95%tile hits lower down in the white-Asian IQ distribution than these other places.

    Same old lesson:

    The places that win long term will be the smart Asian/white nations that do not let themselves get flooded with immigrants. Immigration is forever.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @utu
  137. Romanian says: • Website
    @nymom

    Have you ever seen what Serbians eat? The whole country is on a paleo diet. The soldiers from KFOR getting R&R in Belgrade would talk about going to the restaurant to eat a “donkey dick” (Karadjordjeva steak).

    Huge portions and a culture of eating = Balkans

    Mind you, we suffered in the past. That’s what created the mentality of a full table and wasted food as a signifier of wealth.

  138. Romanian says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Iodine really is a problem in the more mountainous areas. Romania had low to moderate iodine deficiency in 50% of pregnant women about a decade ago (UN report). Part of it is a national craze against salt (which is iodized) in food as a factor in heart disease. And I can bet there are micronutrient issues in the really poor places (not peasant/rural poor, but gypsy and dysfunctional alcoholic underclass poor).

    But that is only 1-2 IQ points nationally. Huge in the larger scheme of things (IQ and the wealth of nations, or the far right of the bell curve as a proportion of the population), but not really to blame for variations in PISA data which should have improved over time based on this one factor.

    • Replies: @nymom
  139. picture says:
    @Anon

    All I can say is you (Anon[324] ) are a Chinese hater. and your eyes have been blocked by Pork Lard! You are such a joke!!

    Many researches has shown Chinese are among the human beings who have the HIGHEST IQ scores. So why they cannot do well in academy??? Just go to the top U.S. universities, see how many Chinese are studying there, and doing sig. BETTER than the rest! Yes, including white Americans!!

  140. nurdle says:
    @SFG

    But they invented the zero!?!

  141. syonredux says:
    @utu

    “What is the racial breakdown at the 95th percentile for the USA ?” – Why would you ask such a silly question? Anyway, this is the 95 percentile so whoever made it is there and probably you won’t find there many blacks or Hispanics.You can’t complain that blacks and Hispanics are dragging you down.

    I’m curious as to just how many Blacks and Latinx are in the 95th percentile. Knowledge is good.

    Just your Jews and Asians are not doing as well as they say they do.

    What percentage of the 95th percentile is East Asian? What percentage is White? Those are interesting things to know.

  142. Spangel says:
    @nymom

    Lol, have you ever seen a Balkan? Tito is long gone. They are well built people with a healthy Slavic appetite for meats.

  143. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Controlling for socio-economic background makes little sense, what if the immigrants are and remain lower class, then they are a huge drag, just you can say oh they only perform slightly worse than our native underclass.

  144. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    If immigration were cognitively demanding they immigrants would score highly, indeed they would outperform natives, especially when controlling for socio-economic background. Remember PISA has consistently shown white British outperform all other ethnic groups, including when controlling for socio-economic background

  145. @Thulean Friend

    OTOH, the Swedish minority have had a disproportinate share of Finland’s most important people both in politics as well as in economics/business.

    Well duh. Finland is historically a colony and keeping Finns out of power and business was part of the design. We would never have schools or the right to trade with the West without Swedish or German middlemen taking a cut if Russia hadn’t briefly acted as benefactor of ethnic Finns.

    Finland, Hong Kong and Singapore would be very valuable comparisons for what happens when a colonial power withdraws or gets kicked out and natives who are not lower in IQ than the colonial overlords take over the institutions. Today there are still old money Swedish and German families (mostly German actually, they just identify as Swedes since WWII…) but incomes have become equal ages ago and natives are outperforming former overlords in standardized tests.

    Of course it’s never done because it just makes to too obvious why everything built by Europeans in Africa collapsed once power was handed over to people who are not Finns or Chinese.

  146. sturbain says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    (And, by the way, suck it, Canada!)

    I am having a hard time parsing that comment. Canada’s aggregate score is higher than the US aggregate score (by a lot). Canada is also a highly multi-ethnic/indigenous country. If Canada’s scores were segregated by race, I suspect you would find that there is relative stratification similar to that of the US scores, which have been broken out. As it is, the US white-only scores only beat the Canadian multi-ethnic scores by a tad. Not much to gloat about.

    Like, go stuff that in yer sock ya hoser! Geez eh, what a loon.

  147. Jackjack says:

    Native Western Europeans do better than US Whites on the most g-loaded test, math:

  148. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Thanks for the info. It seems like Swedish Finns have managed to get the best of both worlds. They have insular, rich, Swedish-speaking communities while advocating nation-wrecking policies that degrade quality of life for the majority. Have you guys ever thought about a Swedish privilege campaign?

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  149. @Alice

    You do realize these are independently verified right? In fact one of the things PISA measures is if students can detect fake news. Seems about right. A lot of the fake news regarding China has affected people’s ways of thinking. I get it though – it is easier to believe the numbers are fake rather than that Chinese students arent the the pre programmed robots who cant think that sino phobes believe.

  150. @nebulafox

    The US tests dont measure the whole country either. The countries are too big. And also they breakdown by income within the regions amd compare them to others. The poorer Chinese in those regions still did better. You can read the deatils of thd report… No need to guess.

  151. @Anon

    It is a sample population of a region of almost 200 million… Larger than all but a handful of countries.

  152. @Anonymous

    Have you guys ever thought about a Swedish privilege campaign?

    Yes but the campaigners also wanted to cancel Romanov privilege, landowner privilege, clerical privilege, banker privilege, way too many privileges so they made too many enemies and lost the Civil War.

  153. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    My experience too in the 80s and 90s.

    I was fortunate we had tracking every year starting in first grade, so I cannot complain about class size. 30-40 works fine with smart kids with two parents at home without behavioral issues.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  154. Lot says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    “ Mr Edward Dutton (who is surely familiar to some here) made a brief media career out of using PISA scores to support his theory that Finns are biologically more intelligent than Swedes”

    I think he’s right, Finns (and Estonians) are very impressive given their population and physical isolation. Swedes too, just less so.

  155. Romanian says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Of course, I do not want to be ungrateful. But catch-up growth from a low base is not a straight road to prosperity and security. Many countries fear ending up in a middle income trap, and demographics is a key issue there. So, I feel that I am not being an eeyore when I express disquiet at the prospects of my country after 50% of its medical staff has emigrated, among other signs. We will keep growing, of course, until we hit a wall because of demographic issues (quantity and quality). And we will be stuck there, because, among others, the lack of perspectives will make foreign investors retire more money than they put back in. And the usual suspects are already agitating for non-EU migration (as guest workers, but not only). A few years ago, there were 5,000 permits. Now, there are 30, 000, and a supposedly left-wing government recently lowered the minimum wage payable to guest workers from the average statistical wage at national level (plus housing, meals and health insurance) to the absolute minimum wage!!! Organized scab labor basically. They complain about lack of labor but, in fact, being in a free labor market of 500 million people, they lack labor at the price point they are willing to pay.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. BlackFlag says:
    @Melvin Moody

    Higher standard deviation for Ashkenazim doesn’t make sense since they’re so closely related.
    BTW, people speculated lower SD for East Asians to explain lack of achievement, but it turned out to be wrong.

  157. BlackFlag says:
    @Dumbo

    Argentina has probably been the most dysgenic country in the world during the past 3 generations. Mestizofication is a big part of it but maybe also cause of it is a “post-game” (as PUAs have discovered) society.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  158. BlackFlag says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The US has successfully brain-drained the rest of the world. Victory for the most soulless and corniest. US liberals should be outraged, if they knew.

  159. shows that American 15-year-olds are stagnant in reading and math even though the country has spent billions to close gaps with the rest of the world.

    Its almost like that money was wasted or something. Is the “gap” uncloseable? No way, just spend more! And also import more 3rd world dullards.

  160. @Jaakko Raipala

    Plus we’ve completely imported the American idea that ethnic majority activism is inherently morally wrong.

    Just to be clear:

    While most of us here are aware that America has pushed out nation wrecking ideas via its political, economic and cultural dominance this is not actually an “American idea”

    The traditional American idea–even particularly among American “progressives”–was Anglo Saxon America is good and minorities really ought to get in gear and properly assimilate to core American norms. Even “minority uplifters” back in the day, basically preached “learn to behave like an Anglo-American.” This was the attitude toward the Irish, the Germans. And progressives were pretty aggressive about this during the “Great Wave” and especially as we entered into the Great War. Immigrants should shape up and fly right–speak American, act like Americans, pledge to the flag.

    No, “majority bad”–i.e. minoritarianism–is a specifically Jewish idea–foreign to American ideals and our republican majoritarianism–which America has pushed in the wake of the Jewish “long march through the institutions”.

  161. kihowi says:

    Tables like these only reinforce to me how stupid the average person is, especially world wide. I’m in one of the non-asian countries at the very top, and my god are there a lot of dumb people here.

  162. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Romanian

    And the usual suspects are already agitating for non-EU migration (as guest workers, but not only).

    That’s how it always starts. The right imports foreigners to drive down wages, and the left gives them citizenship and puts them on the welfare rolls. End result: your ‘guests’ never leave.

  163. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    So ~5% of the current student population?

  164. LondonBob says:
    @John Arthur

    As explained earlier those figures exclude private school pupils. I went to private school and am a Londoner, the British cognitive elite live in London, almost all white people with the means to do so go to private school, and the others are given bursaries. Private school pupils dominate entry to the red brick (ivy league) universities, as do white British people, and constitute a disproportionate number of students in Britain.

    • Replies: @John Arthur
  165. Dejan M. says:
    @nebulafox

    Manipulated? Chinese do well in all countries so why should China Mainland be an exception (need manipulation)?

  166. Dejan M. says:
    @Arclight

    “We all have our blind spots, but a consistent one on the left is the assumption that any disparity can be addressed with the right mix of coercive public policies and funding.” This is what PISA authorities (OECD) are suggesting in the accompanying text.

  167. Dejan M. says:

    “However, despite media-stoked concern, this growth
    in the share of students with an immigrant background
    did not lead to a decline in the education standards in
    host communities.” This is claimed by the author of the accompanying text, Andreas Schleicher a leftist (in my opinion), without giving any proof.

  168. @Romanian

    I used to make fun about the Iliescu generation, who had their early childhood under the Romanian equivalent of Lukashenko. The soccer players raised in those years are physically weak and technically uneducated.

    But these PISA-tested children are the Basescu generation. That would be our Saakashvili. Cuts in teacher numbers, compensated by subsidies to NGOs presumably dedicated to helping the poorest children, led to these PISA scores. The right-wing ideologists thought private schools and afterschools were the solution. They also went for private hospitals, private post services, private energy suppliers, private trains, all propped up by subsidies and state contracts, staffed by the same (or worse, taking into account emigration) people, led by more venal managers.

    It is, on a smaller scale, the SpaceX disaster. The government offers physical facilities and is the sole source of contracts. The government pumps money before objectives are reached. But, 15 years and many billions later, Elon Musk can’t send a mouse to the orbit – something that tens of states have done for decades. Worse, Musk uses those shoddy rockets mostly as billboards to advertise his shoddy cars.

    There’s also the reality that cleaning toilets in Italy doesn’t require quadratic equations.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Joe Stalin
  169. EH says:
    @Harold

    I notice that that plot of PISA reading scores vs. standard deviations looks like a scatterplot of two distinct populations, which are separated by a line that runs parallel to and slightly above the line between Israel and Costa Rica. [line from (75,430) to (125,480)] So that’s a slope of 1.

    The population below that line has a high correlation between average score and standard deviation, as can be seen from the way it fits within a skinny ellipse. The regression line for this population runs roughly from Kosovo to Israel and has a slope of 2.

    The population above the dividing line has a much lower correlation between mean score and standard deviation, as can be seen from the circumscribing ellipse being much closer to a circle than the one for for the lower population. The Regression line runs roughly from Turkey to the United States, and has a slightly lower slope, about 1.75.

    A country’s “smart fraction” above any given score depends sensitively on both mean and standard deviation. This becomes exponentially more true the higher the cutoff score for the smart fraction. The smart fraction above about 107 IQ equivalent (+0.5 s.d.) is responsible for the basics of managing civilization, without enough of them, no civilization. Without those above about 120 or 130, no invention or technological advancement.

    That mean and standard deviation are correlated with such a high slope is very bad news for counties on the lower left part of the plot and very good news for the ones on the upper-right.

    • Replies: @res
  170. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    That’s a good point. I meant north Brabant and south Holland, basically south of the Rhine. Friesland is relatively underdeveloped, at least when I went there.

    But your right I dont think the evidence is unequivocal that the south Dutch are smarter than north. Germany certainly this gradient exists.

  171. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Go to upper Bavaria and then go to Bremen. The difference in stark. They look even quite different as well.

    I tend to avoid these intra European debates, because i don’t think It’s particularly relevant in the grand scheme.

    However, once in awhile a nordicist spergout occurs, and I feel the need to correct the record.

    • Agree: utu
  172. nymom says:
    @Romanian

    Maybe the impact takes many generations to reverse itself once it is endemic in the population.

    It’s like body structures which I think are a combination of heredity and diet. I heard the Japanese are just starting to exhibit larger bodies after having a westernized diet for decades now.

    Larger beds are now starting to be sold in Japan to accommodate taller bodies. Eventually we will probably see the same thing going on in China and Vietnam, etc., etc.,

    Somehow I think it could be the same with the brain. After generations of people have had food limited to maybe just vegs and limited meat/fish, eggs, etc., maybe it takes a while to grow their brains bigger or something…

    Man evolved eating meat/fish…and changing that diet could have unintended consequences. I, myself, would love to see more people being vegetarians as I love all animals. But it just might not be in the cards for humanity if we want to maintain the high IQs that put us at the top of the food chain.

  173. EH says:
    @Harold

    To give an idea of how large the smart fraction effects are, compare the fraction of Kosovo vs. White US students that would be able to score 550 (OECD average +0.5 s.d, ~equivalent to a 107.5 IQ) or 700 (+2 s.d.,~ 130IQ):

    Assuming Kosovo score 355, s.d. 68 / US White score 520, s.d. 105, then:
    39% of US Whites score 550 or higher, about 1 in 2.6
    0.2% of Kosovo students score 550 or higher, about 1 in 484
    (1/187 as many)

    4.3% of US Whites score 700 or higher, about 1 in 23
    about 1 in 5.1 million Kosovo students would be expected to score 700 or higher using the normal distribution, which fails so many standard deviation out.

    The log-normal distribution is better, but harder to use. Using that:
    Assuming Kosovo score 355, s.d. 68 / US White score 520, s.d. 105, then:
    35% of US Whites score 550 or higher, about 1 in 2.8
    0.8% of Kosovo students score 550 or higher, about 1 in 122
    (1/43 as many)

    5.6% of US Whites score 700 or higher, about 1 in 18
    about 1 in 8300 Kosovo students would be expected to score 700 or higher using the log-normal distribution, 1/467 times as many as in a US White population of the same size.

    • Replies: @res
  174. Dumbo says:
    @Thulean Friend

    All in all, whether we like it or not, the sun isn’t setting on the US empire any time soon.

    US = Globalism. So of course the capital of the empire will have thinks in better order, just as life in Rome was probably better than in the provinces. But this also means that globalization (neo-imperialism) and the end of all national cultures will continue apace.

  175. @LondonBob

    Thanks.
    This explains the academic performance, but I feel like it does not explain the arrest rates. The police are arresting the Asians at a rate 9% higher than Whites, which would almost certainly go away when you age adjust.
    Other Asians have lower arrest rates.

  176. Tony says:

    What up with asians in New zealand? They pretty much on par with whites.

  177. utu says:
    @AnotherDad

    Another metric than 95 percentile should be used to not be dragged down by the bottom 5 percentile?

  178. Does “Chinese Taipei” (groan) mean all of Taiwan or just the city of Taipei? And WHY do we have to put up with this?

  179. Dumbo says:
    @BlackFlag

    I think also the 2001 crisis was very dysgenic. Most smart Argentinean with means migrated to Spain, Italy, USA, Brazil, etc. The country got dumber.

  180. res says:
    @EH

    Would it be worth converting those data points into estimates (assuming normality) of the smart fraction at various levels (say 0.5 SD and 1.5 SD, or higher)? Doing a quick back of the envelope calculation, B-S-J-Z 2 and 3 SD points are 729 and 816 (compare to nominal mean 500 and SD 100, what is the PISA ceiling?) while the US 2 and 3 SD points are 721 and 829. These results look much better for the US than the mean comparisons.

    Looking at 95th percentile scores (which I believe are presented) would be a first order check on normality. That should be about 5/3 SD.

    Table I.6.1 has a useful list of PISA mathematical proficiency scores along with the OECD percent reaching that level:

    Level Score OECD%
    6 669 2.4%
    5 607 10.9%
    3 482 53.8%
    2 420 76.0%
    1 358 90.9%

    Table I.5.1 is similar for reading.

    Level Score OECD%
    6 698 1.3%
    5 626 8.7%
    4 553 27.6%
    3 480 53.6%
    2 407 77.4%
    1a 335 92.3%
    1b 262 98.6%
    1c 189 99.9%

    And Table I.7.1 for science

    Level Score OECD%
    6 708 0.8%
    5 633 6.8%
    4 559 24.9%
    3 484 52.3%
    2 410 78.0%
    1a 335 94.1%
    1b 261 99.3%

    P.S. In theory there is no ceiling for PISA: http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisafaq/

    In each test subject, there is theoretically no minimum or maximum score in PISA; rather, the results are scaled to fit approximately normal distributions, with means for OECD countries around 500 score points and standard deviations around 100 score points. About two-thirds of students across OECD countries score between 400 and 600 points. Less than 2% of students, on average across OECD countries, reach scores above 700 points, and at most a handful of students in the PISA sample for any country reach scores above 800 points.

    Does anyone know what the reality is? What are the highest scores observed?

  181. res says:
    @EH

    I see you anticipated my question. Would it be worth using the raw data to create scatterplots showing these numbers for all countries?

  182. Jianguo says:

    As someone who grew up in China, I can tell that the four Chinese regions tested are indeed the highest IQ regions. For example, the ministry of health did IQ tests of the entire country to assess the effect of iodine on IQ and found the IQ of BSJZ are respectively 114.1, 115.3, 109.0, and 115.8, the highest in the country whose average is 105.

  183. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    But, 15 years and many billions later, Elon Musk can’t send a mouse to the orbit

    Totally wrong. Please read this article and view the embedded videos. 2000+ kilos of cargo is not a mouse, it is more.

    https://www.space.com/spacx-dragon-crs-19-rocket-launch-landing-success.html

    What else are you totally wrong about?

  184. Jianguo says:

    Forgot to mention the year they did the IQ test. It was 2005, see:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kknews.cc/education/v9ymgb4.amp

  185. @Dacian Julien Soros

    “The right-wing ideologists thought private schools and afterschools were the solution.”

    Do you realize how much public school teachers are paid? And why shouldn’t we be able to choose in a market?

    The result is a starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor’s degree at $58,365 this year, while on the other end of the scale, a veteran teacher with 32 years of experience and a doctorate degree would earn $111,490, according to figures released by the union late last week.

    By the last year of the contract, 2023-24, starting salaries will rise to $66,330, while the most-experienced veterans will earn more than $126,700.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2019/11/13/20963703/chicago-teachers-union-contract-vote-chicago-public-schools-experience-salary-pay

    This is why taxes are outrageous in Chicago; why even our sales tax is 10.25% with special taxes on soda pop. All the City employees are milking us for big pay and pension benefits. The coppers will be next in their demands and the Mayor will give them what they want.

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