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Chuck Ross at the Daily Caller got an email from a reader pointing out something interesting about one section of UVA dream date / gang rapist / figment of Jackie’s imagination Haven Monahan’s Glitch in The Matrix email. This is the messaged received by Jackie’s crush Ryan/”Randall” five days after Haven Monahan theoretically organized Jackie’s mass violation.

Amusingly, one paragraph was lifted from an old Dawson’s Creek TV episode.

More Googling reveals that much of the email is a pastiche of lines lifted from sentimental websites.

The Glitch email was transcribed yesterday by iSteve commenter Harold. It is structured as a forwarded message from the mysterious Haven Monahan followed by what appear to be Jackie’s musings on the adorability of Ryan.

First, as Chuck points out, this paragraph from the Haven Monahan email reads:

Ryan’s great, actually. I mean he’s smart. He’s sensitive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat. If you creep up behind him, he’ll jump right out of his skin. It’s pretty amusing. He’s honest. He always calls them just like he sees them. You can [???] count[?] on getting the truth from Ryan, even if the truth hurts. He has the most incredible taste in music. He’s like this walking, talking music library. And he understands how truly important music is. He’s stubborn. He has this [???] way about him that can be so frustrating sometimes. And sometimes the things he says hurt. But he’s a really, really good friend. And loyal to a fault. He’s realistic[?] about everything. And I’m a dreamer so I mean, it’s good to have somebody like that in my life. He’s one of my best friends here, you know? He’s more than that… he’s everything.

Parts of that were clearly lifted from:

Dawson’s Creek (7)
from the TV Series created by Kevin Williamson

Here’s James van der Beek’s character describing Katie Holmes’ character:

Dawson: She’s great. I mean, she’s smart, she’s beautiful, she’s funny, she’s a big ol’ scaredy cat. If you creep up from behind her she’ll jump out of her skin. It’s pretty amusing. She’s honest. She always calls them just like she sees them. You can always count on getting the truth from Joey even if the truth hurts. She’s stubborn. We fight a lot. She can be so frustrating sometimes. But she’s a really, really, good friend. I know her to a fault. She believes in me. And I’m a dreamer so it’s so good to have somebody like that in my life. If she goes away, I don’t know what I’m going to do. I mean, she’s my best friend, you know? She’s more than that. She’s everything.

I never saw any episodes of Dawson’s Creek, but I did enjoy James van der Beek’s performance in last year’s cancelled sit-com Apartment 23 where he plays professional celebrity James van der Beek, still cheerfully raking in the girls who loved Dawson’s Creek.

(By the way, Williamson also wrote the Scream films. Yesterday I linked to a the scene in Scream 4 in which a Jackie-lookalike character goes through all the hard work of doing a competent frame-up, including doing a back dive through a low glass table. The moral of Scream 4 is that kids these days don’t want to put in the accomplishment to be real stars, they want to be fake stars by being victims, but being a genuine fake victim star is an immense amount of work. Perhaps that’s a lesson that Jackie and Sabrina Rubin Erdely should have taken more to heart before their slapdash collaboration. Granted, it worked like a charm for a dozen days …)

Beyond the Daily Caller article, I quickly identified three more bits of plagiarism. There’s this part of the Haven Monahan email:

He’s gorgeous, but gorgeous is an understatement. More like you’re startled every time you see him because you notice something new in a Where‘s Waldo sort of way. More like you can‘t stop writing third grade run on sentences becuase you can‘t even remotely begin to describe something, someone, so inherently amazing. More like you’re afraid that if you stare at him too long, you’ll prove your grandparents right that, yes, your face will get stuck that way… but you do‘t mind.

That is adapted from the following paragraph that pops up online in multiple places:

WHAT SHE DON’T KNOW WILL KILL YOU

This was an article that appeared in the UMass college newspaper, The Daily Collegian, written by Matt Brochu, dated November 21, 2003.

…. She’s gorgeous, but gorgeous is an understatement. More like you’re startled every time you see her because you notice something new in a “Where’s Waldo” sort of way. More like you can’t stop writing third grade run-on sentences because you can’t remotely begin to describe something . someone . so inherently amazing. But you’re a writer. You can describe anything. That’s what you do: pictures to words, events to words, words to even better words. But nothing seems right. More like you’re afraid that if you stare at her for too long, you’ll prove your parents right: that yes, your face will stick that way. But you wouldn’t mind.

The Haven Monahan email sentence:

Ryan has no idea what he does to me… he can make me feel more emotions in one second than I would normally feel in one year.

Resembles one found on a site called Organized Chaos:

you have no idea what you do to me. you can make me feel more emotions in one second than i would normally feel in one year.

Another sentence in the Haven Monahan email reads:

I mean, if I had the chance of hanging out with anyone in the entire world or just sitting in my dorm with him talking about music and watching a crappy TV show… I‘d choose him everytime…

That resembles this FanPop quiz question for fans of the show Scrubs:

“If I had the choice of hanging out with anyone in the entire world or sitting at home with you eating_____watching a crappy TV show, I’d choose you every time.”

In summary, this hoax that suckered most of the American news media for two weeks was never a masterpiece of careful planning. It just stumbled upon what our news media already wanted to believe, whatever the evidence.

 
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  1. And just as they got Al Capone on tax evasion, maybe UVA can kick her out for plagiarism?

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  2. OT, but check out the article entitled,”These Five Questions may predict how rich you’ll be” on MSN marketwatch. Apparently the Federal Reserve conducted some research that found that the answers to five questions, such as whether you saved money last year, etc. correlate strongly with personal wealth. Not really surprising, but interestingly, they found that race more strongly was a predictor of personal wealth than education. Amazing that the Obama crowd let that one slip through. They apply Occam’s butterknife to explain it: ” This may be due to differences in the economic and financial challenges each group faces and to systemic and historical differences in access to wealth-building institutions and policies, like mainstream financial institutions, employer-provided retirement plans and various types of saving incentives”.

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  3. “I never saw any episodes of Dawson’s Creek,”

    Dawson Creek’s target audience was females in their 20s and teens, just like the Twilight movies. Not males in their 50s like you Steve. You are from the Scarface target demographic.

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    He wasn't in his fifties when Dawson's Creek debuted.
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  4. Fine work, Mr. Sailer. However, if I were you I’d pack some heat. You’re on the list. I wish I was joking, but I’m not. All BS aside, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

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  5. Off topic but you might be interested in the collapse of the allegations of torture/abuse against British soldiers in Iraq. (Al-Sweady inquiry) Fraudulent claims by “highly motivated” individuals, lies by lawyers, enthusiastic uptake by the left wing…

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    Re Al Sweady, here's an eyewitness account. The British government is a disgrace.

    http://mondaybooks.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/in-foreign-fields-heroes-of-iraq-and-afghanistan-in-their-own-words/
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  6. Oh my. Is there *anything* that is real about this episode?

    Can’t people even write their own love letters anymore?

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  7. “And just as they got Al Capone on tax evasion, maybe UVA can kick her out for plagiarism?”

    Uncle Sam is a bigger gangster than Al Capone, that is why Al was no match for Sam. Al Capone was a big fish in a small pond in Chicago, but in Washington D.C he was a small fish in a big pond.

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  8. Why did Jackie think calling her would-be beau a “scaredy cat” would be a good idea? If I was Ryan, that would piss me off. That line struck me as odd when I first read it. Turns out it was originally describing a girl. This just gets weirder and weirder.

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    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    Right. Jackie took a TV script written to tap into teenage girls' romantic fantasies, and she tried to use it on a guy. Guys learn how to pine for women from very different TV shows and movies.

    This is what you should have expected, considering that she'd already tried to get Randall/Ryan to like her by pretending that handsome Haven was into her, and that she was rejecting Haven's advances. That sort of game only works with the genders reversed. Women are more attracted to a man when it appears that lots of beautiful and high-status women are already attracted to him, and if he ignores the beautiful women that are falling all over him, that suggests he's capable of getting even hotter ones. A super-alpha. But no heterosexual man becomes more attracted to a woman just because her boyfriend is Dawson Leery, or because she turned down Dawson Leery.

    Jackie was capable of enough honest introspection to recognize exactly what turns her on, but she mistakenly projected these things as being the same things that would attract a guy. This is a good case study for the game/PUA/red-pill community. Perhaps women are quite aware of what really attracts them but won't admit it when asked directly.

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  9. Perhaps that’s a lesson that Jackie and Sabrina Rubin Erdely should have taken more to heart before their slapdash

    It’s amazing how sloppy you get once you think you can act with impunity. Contrast it with the incredible work here exposing it. A crowd-sourced model that should be applied to every one of these hoaxes relentlessly.
    I just hope the Sabrinas of the world aren’t here taking notes.

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  10. This was excellent Steve! I realize it’s easier to do this kind of thing now with search engines but it still has to be done.

    At one stroke you have not only proved that Jackie can’t even write her own stuff (recalling some posters praising her literary skills) but have also explained the apparent changes in authorial voice that more than one poster commented on. Both of these elements BTW tie into your prior literary exegesis of this scandal, not only the broken glass but the coke bottle (I assume you brought Fatty Arbuckle into the picture, as well.)

    So this story just become more and more childish and — it must be said — cheesy, with every further revelation. It sort of reminds me of the aliens in Galaxy Quest who thought the TV episodes were historical documents. The gullibility of the media — keeping in mind also the Stuyvesant HS story from earlier this week — is simply mind blowing.

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    I watched Galaxy Quest for the first time on Thanksgiving. Good movie!
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  11. Dahlia says:

    This is what we like about Sailer’s Salon: come for the musings on Benjamin Franklin (thanks Steve and Syon), but stay for the soap operas. I haven’t had this much fun with a fictional series since I quit watching One Life to Live. Seriously, reading Chuck’s tweet that he would be posting the Most Bizarre Thing Yet soon was classic. Just feel kind of bad because she’s a real person :(

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  12. @SPMoore8
    This was excellent Steve! I realize it's easier to do this kind of thing now with search engines but it still has to be done.

    At one stroke you have not only proved that Jackie can't even write her own stuff (recalling some posters praising her literary skills) but have also explained the apparent changes in authorial voice that more than one poster commented on. Both of these elements BTW tie into your prior literary exegesis of this scandal, not only the broken glass but the coke bottle (I assume you brought Fatty Arbuckle into the picture, as well.)

    So this story just become more and more childish and -- it must be said -- cheesy, with every further revelation. It sort of reminds me of the aliens in Galaxy Quest who thought the TV episodes were historical documents. The gullibility of the media -- keeping in mind also the Stuyvesant HS story from earlier this week -- is simply mind blowing.

    I watched Galaxy Quest for the first time on Thanksgiving. Good movie!

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    I watched Galaxy Quest for the first time on Thanksgiving. Good movie!
     
    I'm disappointed Jackie's borrowed lines about Ryan didn't include the phrase "By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Warvan, what a dreamboat!"
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  13. Jackie – the gift that just keeps on giving. The mother of all clusterfakes! Even her love letters are fake. Has anyone checked her chest?

    As usual, the legacy media is a step or two behind. Don’t they have Google at CNN or are they not really trying?

    A lot of the commenters noticed that Jackie appeared to be a surprisingly good writer but I guess she was just an unsurprisingly good plagiarist. How did she even come up with these sources? They seem to be pretty obscure.

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    >How did she even come up with these sources? They seem to be pretty obscure.

    Steve links to two Tumblr-hosted blogs in this post, and a Google search shows about 90 unique hits on that domain that include the Scrubs quiz question.

    Not hard to imagine Jackie spends a lot of time on that website. If you're not familiar with it and its users, take a look at @tumblrtxt on Twitter.
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  14. There was a Seinfeld plot like this…

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  15. I, like some of the commenters on threads below, thought the Haven letter was good, fluent writing. Nice to learn for aesthetic judgment ego reasons that it was written by a pro for Dawson’s Creek and not some cray-cray frosh.

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  16. Wow, the whole thing was made up.

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  17. Here’s another copied line:

    “Because there’s nothing more beautiful than the way the ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline, no matter how many times it’s sent away.”
    ― Sarah Kay

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/11377.Sarah_Kay

    Sarah Kay, a graduate of Brown University, was born in New York to a Japanese American mother and a Jewish American father. She began performing poetry at the Bowery Poetry Club in the East Village at the age of 14, joining their Slam Team in 2006.[5] That year, she was the youngest person competing in the National Poetry Slam in Austin, Texas. In 2007 Kay made her television debut, performing the poem “Hands” on HBO’s Def Poetry Jam.[6] She has performed at events and venues like the Lincoln Center, the Tribeca Film Festival, and at the United Nations ….

    I suspect Jackie saved up quotes that matched her emotions over the weeks (yes it was only a few weeks) that Ryan spurned her and cut and pasted them into this letter. No wonder her grades dropped – she was spending all her time writing love letters and running her catfishing scheme.

    I also suspect that virtually every other line in that letter is also copied from somewhere, so keep looking, crowdsourcers. This is a rare chance to look inside the head of a modern American woman and see the crazy.

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    That metaphor was used brilliantly by the Who in "Love Reign O'er Me"

    - Only love can make it rain
    The way the beach is kissed by the sea

    Probably where Sarah got it from, listening to her old man's Quadrophenia album (released in 1973).
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  18. An “interloper” theory had been suggested – are there “spoof a boyfriend” services? I’m not up on those if they exist.

    If she sent that nutty plagiarized mash note herself – days after the supposed violent assault -

    she must be completely out of her gourd.

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  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This entire saga has been fascinating, and this is your most unexpected plagiarism find since you figured out that Slavoj Zizek plagiarized a white nationalist.

    At this point, do you have any red flags or tells that make you suspicious that something might be plagiarized? It kind of makes me want to run all the text I see through turnitin!

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  20. Clearly, Jackie is a Kevin Williamson fan.
    I should have pushed that Scream 4 clip earlier.
    To top off the bizzare digital meta-content- someone please contact National Review’s Kevin Williamson- (what a difference a D. makes) – and get his take on it as well.

    I hope people keep hammering this.
    Accusation culture destroys lives. And I imagine the real person behind the Jackie avatar will eventually be unveiled and go on a media tour promoting her struggle to heal from the “mental illness” that caused her to do this.

    Within a decade, she will probably be publishing a doctoral dissertation on the subject and land a chair in a “media studies” department at a game university.

    If Lewinsky can do it…

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  21. Apparently you can’t just make this stuff up – you have to plagiarize it!

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  22. This is just the gift that keeps on giving.

    How did she even come up with these sources? They seem to be pretty obscure.

    Dawson’s Creek was probably on daily reruns when she was in middle school. (It went off the air in 2003, about a decade before she went off to college.) Or she got the DVD box set for xmas a few years ago and was binge-watching it before she went off to school. The passage in question closely tracks the original, closely enough that she probably googled it rather than recalling it from memory. Google giveith and taketh away.

    Why did Jackie think calling her would-be beau a “scaredy cat” would be a good idea?

    She’s probably getting her ideas about men from teen soap operas. I can cut her a bit of slack on this aspect; at 18 not everyone is terribly sophisticated about the opposite sex.

    This kind of makes we want to pipe all my incoming email through a plagiarism detector that flags content, just to see what pops up.

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  23. It’s pretty pathetic that a student at one of the more prestigious schools in the U.S. can’t even write Dawson’s Creek-level prose without plagiarizing.

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    The "Dawson's Creek-level prose" was probably written by alumni of even more prestigious schools.
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  24. It was one thing when I thought the letter represented her real emotional state. Did she put this stuff together herself, even? Did she use some kind of app or “service”?

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  25. http://mtstandard.com/news/local/rob-o-neill-may-have-killed-bin-laden-but-didn/article_df2db0f5-2f92-5429-85c9-43dc3720dcda.html

    Rob O’Neill may have killed bin Laden, but didn’t take out gangster intruders

    …Empire News posted a bogus article Monday titled “Bin Laden Shooter Rob O’Neill Mistakenly Attacked by Street Thugs Seeking To Collect Debt From Neighbor.”

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  26. Season 3 Episode 21, The Letter. Jerry’s artist girlfriend writes him a moving letter, which George and Kramer think is terrific and poetic. Turns out she lifted it from a Neil Simon play.

    That episode also features this classic exchange

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  27. I told you TWILIGHT wasn’t to blame.

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  28. There’s a PhD thesis to be written here about the arbiters of high culture being taken in by a mawkish array of pop culture tropes.

    Jackie really is the gift that keeps on giving.

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  29. @Steve Sailer
    I watched Galaxy Quest for the first time on Thanksgiving. Good movie!

    I watched Galaxy Quest for the first time on Thanksgiving. Good movie!

    I’m disappointed Jackie’s borrowed lines about Ryan didn’t include the phrase “By Grabthar’s hammer, by the sons of Warvan, what a dreamboat!”

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  30. This is interesting but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely. If your journalistic strategy is to trawl the country for the most outrageous stories and print them without checking them, you are 100% guaranteed to publish hoaxes unless there are zero emotionally disturbed people in your country.

    If you follow a journalistic strategy that is 100% guaranteed to publish hoaxes, then you are a hoaxer and not a victim of hoaxes.

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    but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely.
     
    I agree. Erdely is the professional who refused to do her job properly, whereas Jackie may have some serious mental health issues. Her story is obviously false, but we still don't know if she's simply a sadistic person who enjoys cooking up these scams or if she has some serious mental health issues (symptoms of serious mental illness often begin to manifest around Jackie's age, actually) and believes her own lies. I'm okay with dragging someone through the mud if they're truly sadistic and awful, but I'm not okay with doing it to someone who might legitimately be unhinged.
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  31. And another:

    “Because there’s nothing more beautiful than the way the ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline, no matter how many times it’s sent away.”

    — Sarah Kay, Writer

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  32. Steve, I have had a hard time keeping up with you these past two weeks. You have really been on top of this story. I’ve just skimmed the details and have not read all the user comments. I was starting to get a little annoyed that you have beaten this story into the ground, but then Ann Coulter reminded me that we cannot let up on this story unless and until the other side unequivocally admits this was a hoax, and issues the requisite apologies to the aggrieved.

    Keep churning this stuff out, and index these posts accordingly so that they can be readily retrieved in two to three years when the UVa rape case is brought back and cited as evidence of collegiate rape culture.

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    She's right. What justice has occurred? I'm starting to see the better liberals crying uncle, trying to make the pain of the dribbling stop. It's only them, a tiny though influential few who get it, but they won't inform their foot soldiers. UVa's reputation is still hurt, Rolling Stone hasn't retracted....
    No, we wish it was over, but there has been no justice.
    , @Anonymous
    Steve has been good on unravelling the eberly - jackie rape fantasy narration, but he still hasnt spilled the beans on the protective counter-reaction from Worth magazine and the Cantor brothers ( son of Rep Cantor R-Tel Aviv).

    All of her friends and apparently her father believe something happened at the cantor frat , even if the mentally disturbed shiksa from a phillip roth novel couldnt tell the story straight.



    Anti-non-Semitism: An Investigation of the Shiksa by Menachem Kaiser
    Who, or what, is the 'shiksa'?
    https://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/anti-non-semitism-an-investigation-of-the-shiksa
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  33. “I never saw any episodes of Dawson’s Creek,”

    Our host doth protest too much.

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  34. This reminds me of a Family Guy episode, “Play It Again, Brian,” in which Brian, the dog, seduces Lois with a speech he cribbed from Summer of ’42.

    http://www.drodd.com/familyguyfun/family-guy6-10-play-it-again-brian.html

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  35. This is the best story ever. Just when you think it can’t get any better it gets way better.

    Too bad nobody but iSteve readers will ever hear the whole thing. Still great stuff.

    The only way it could get better is if the whole thing was staged with the knowledge of campus rape activists and maybe a few emails between the activists and somebody on capitol hill. I honestly don’t know if it’s possible to improve upon it at this point though

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  36. In summary, this hoax that suckered most of the American news media for two weeks was never a masterpiece of careful planning. It just stumbled upon what our news media already wanted to believe whatever the evidence.

    well, the media certainly has its own cultural tropes, and books, movies, and new articles that resonate with those tropes are going to be the ones passed up to the top.

    Same thing goes for the american public–they don’t want originality. They want re-workings and expansions upon what they have already been prepped for.

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  37. @Jefferson
    "I never saw any episodes of Dawson’s Creek,"

    Dawson Creek's target audience was females in their 20s and teens, just like the Twilight movies. Not males in their 50s like you Steve. You are from the Scarface target demographic.

    He wasn’t in his fifties when Dawson’s Creek debuted.

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  38. Damn. Good detective work. This Jackie is truly lost. That Rolling Stone reporter should be ashamed of herself.

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    As in Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me which leads to the question does anyone know if she has been fooled thrice?

    Fool me once, shame on you fool me twice, ratings galore! seems to be the motto of the media and their inability to learn from hoaxes.
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  39. I knew one individual who engaged in catfishing, sockpuppets, and other online behavior because of her uncontrolled need for attention and affirmation. Most of the things she would post online or send in email, whether they were blog-like dissertations on her observations about life intended to score “Wow, you’re such a great writer” points from her friends, or to confess her deep feelings for someone were — wait for it — lifted from other sources.

    It seems that people like Jackie who engage in these sorts of things have a combination of low self esteem and a thought process that says, “Well, if I’m going to make things up, might as well get help from the best.” If they had confidence in their own ability to express themselves, they probably wouldn’t be in that situation to begin with.

    The person I’m referring to was quite attractive and bright, but had an un-magnetized moral compass. Couple that with a willingness to drop her drawers to get things to go her way and you can imagine the havoc she wreaked. It took years to repair all the interpersonal relationships that got wrapped around the axle because of her.

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    "an un-magnetized moral compass" -- I want to steal that!
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  40. So Chuck “Piggy” Ross is exposing the UVA rape lies about 10 minutes too late?

    Good job, Piggy. But we all know you’ll be shining Obama’s shoes like David Brooks when the winds shift.

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  41. Seinfeld clip, as Vinny mentioned. Can’t find a clip of Jerry’s revelation.

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  42. Interesting fallout from UVA case – student at Washington & Lee (also in Virginia) claims he was expelled on a false rape claim (Title IX charge, no criminal charge) days after the Rolling Stone article was published:

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/student-claims-he-was-expelled-from-w-l-for-consensual/article_5c28779e-a237-5e8d-b958-a1a2dadd83f1.html

    If even 50% of the facts of his case are as he claims, he seems to have a winner in that the charge was made 8-9 months after the alleged rape and the alleged victim voluntarily had relations with him a month after the supposed rape. Oh, and the victim became upset after he started dating another girl soon after their second encounter.

    This regrettable sex=rape shit as sponsored by the Title IX activists is one of the biggest travesties going.

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  43. Speaking of catfishing, I wonder how much, if any, sock puppeting is going on among the iSteve commentariat.

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  44. Dahlia says:

    Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives? I riffed off of The Song of Songs to my then boyfriend once when I was a little younger than Jackie. I didn’t plagiarize and it was hard, but what she did would be harder and take more time even if she was doing less riffing and more lifting. How many sources are we talking about?
    Any thoughts?

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    "Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives?"

    It's not work if it's what you do essentially as a hobby.

    I don't think that's uncommon for teenagers. You watch your favorite shows, or tell your friends your favorite quotes, incessantly. I remember at about that age, my best friend and I ran through an entire "Taboo" deck (game where you have to get your partner to name something, without saying the 5 most common word associations) mostly using Monty Python and Simpsons quotes, with a few other references, private jokes, and theme songs thrown in.

    She had probably transcribed those quotes on many a Lisa Frank spiral notebook while not paying attention in class in high school and middle school.

    For another source, consider the Reality Bites character who spoke entirely in advertising taglines. Generations or centuries ago, folks would know the Bible and/or Shakespeare plays or the Illiad or the Odyssey by heart. Now, every 18 year old can mold their own canon.
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  45. https://mobile.twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/540621817736876033

    Hilarious tweet where the always great norm macdonald calls out Judd Apatow for the leftist Hollywood hypocrisy on the Cosby case. Norm asked the Dem cheerleader Judd Apatow if he was still looking into the Clinton allegations of rape while he demands cosby never be allowed to have any more shows.

    LMAO it reminds me of how all the stuff about rape allegations and sexual harassment and older men taking advantage of young girls suddenly didn’t matter to feminists and far leftists when it was Bubba doing it.

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    Hilarious tweet where the always great norm macdonald calls out Judd Apatow for the leftist Hollywood hypocrisy on the Cosby case.
     
    Well you are half right. Norm is great but the tweet wasn't funny.

    Norm has toured with Cosby and Norm supported Dole over Clinton and not just for professional reasons as a Bob Dole impersonator.

    The difference is of course that Cosby has been drugging and raping White women for maybe 30+ years. 25+ women have come forward with the same claims. Misled, drugged, raped.

    Stop making excuses for Cosby just because you hate White liberals and Clinton.
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  46. Dahlia says:
    @iSteveFan
    Steve, I have had a hard time keeping up with you these past two weeks. You have really been on top of this story. I've just skimmed the details and have not read all the user comments. I was starting to get a little annoyed that you have beaten this story into the ground, but then Ann Coulter reminded me that we cannot let up on this story unless and until the other side unequivocally admits this was a hoax, and issues the requisite apologies to the aggrieved.

    Keep churning this stuff out, and index these posts accordingly so that they can be readily retrieved in two to three years when the UVa rape case is brought back and cited as evidence of collegiate rape culture.

    She’s right. What justice has occurred? I’m starting to see the better liberals crying uncle, trying to make the pain of the dribbling stop. It’s only them, a tiny though influential few who get it, but they won’t inform their foot soldiers. UVa’s reputation is still hurt, Rolling Stone hasn’t retracted….
    No, we wish it was over, but there has been no justice.

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    Some writers at Slate have written some thoughtful articles about this whole debacle. I don't think anyone except for the most extreme folks still believe the story to be true.
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    @iSteveFan
    Steve, I have had a hard time keeping up with you these past two weeks. You have really been on top of this story. I've just skimmed the details and have not read all the user comments. I was starting to get a little annoyed that you have beaten this story into the ground, but then Ann Coulter reminded me that we cannot let up on this story unless and until the other side unequivocally admits this was a hoax, and issues the requisite apologies to the aggrieved.

    Keep churning this stuff out, and index these posts accordingly so that they can be readily retrieved in two to three years when the UVa rape case is brought back and cited as evidence of collegiate rape culture.

    Steve has been good on unravelling the eberly – jackie rape fantasy narration, but he still hasnt spilled the beans on the protective counter-reaction from Worth magazine and the Cantor brothers ( son of Rep Cantor R-Tel Aviv).

    All of her friends and apparently her father believe something happened at the cantor frat , even if the mentally disturbed shiksa from a phillip roth novel couldnt tell the story straight.

    Anti-non-Semitism: An Investigation of the Shiksa by Menachem Kaiser
    Who, or what, is the ‘shiksa’?

    https://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/anti-non-semitism-an-investigation-of-the-shiksa

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  48. Dahlia notes:

    Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives? I riffed off of The Song of Songs to my then boyfriend once when I was a little younger than Jackie. I didn’t plagiarize and it was hard, but what she did would be harder and take more time even if she was doing less riffing and more lifting. How many sources are we talking about?
    Any thoughts?

    –The suggestion that her post-”gangbang” missives just compiled her Great Thoughts On Love cribbings makes sense, but the disparate sources– Scrubs?!– begin to take on an “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy” tinge. It’s an obsessive amount of work, yet grindingly devoid of originality. It’s like a stalker scissoring out the clippings to post an untraceable letter.

    It’s startling that, having created this Eyes Wide Shut character of a charismatic, conspiratorial defiler, she immediately retconned him into a guy who writes his victim’s guy pal to tell him what a great girlfriend she would be. She really lost the narrative on that one. Imagine the emotional dissociations in her head, to turn her gang-rapist archvillain into this earnest Greater-Beta girl-boy. Fanfic, apparently, would be beyond her powers of execution.

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  49. @Ezra
    This is interesting but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely. If your journalistic strategy is to trawl the country for the most outrageous stories and print them without checking them, you are 100% guaranteed to publish hoaxes unless there are zero emotionally disturbed people in your country.

    If you follow a journalistic strategy that is 100% guaranteed to publish hoaxes, then you are a hoaxer and not a victim of hoaxes.

    but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

    I agree. Erdely is the professional who refused to do her job properly, whereas Jackie may have some serious mental health issues. Her story is obviously false, but we still don’t know if she’s simply a sadistic person who enjoys cooking up these scams or if she has some serious mental health issues (symptoms of serious mental illness often begin to manifest around Jackie’s age, actually) and believes her own lies. I’m okay with dragging someone through the mud if they’re truly sadistic and awful, but I’m not okay with doing it to someone who might legitimately be unhinged.

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  50. There was a guy I looked up to in middle school as being really creative and funny. He wrote a page long diatribe in my 8th grade yearbook that was hilarious. I later realized as an adult that he had pretty much lifted it word for word from The Nutty Professor and that all this time I was trying to emulate him I was actually a lot funnier and more original.

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  51. Also, Haven Monahan is about as convincing a pseudonym as Art Vandelay.

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    "Also, Haven Monahan is about as convincing a pseudonym as Art Vandelay."

    "Haven" sounds like the name of a male Mary-Sue character in a bad fan-fiction piece, formed by mashing together "Hunter" and "Raven".
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  52. @Dahlia
    She's right. What justice has occurred? I'm starting to see the better liberals crying uncle, trying to make the pain of the dribbling stop. It's only them, a tiny though influential few who get it, but they won't inform their foot soldiers. UVa's reputation is still hurt, Rolling Stone hasn't retracted....
    No, we wish it was over, but there has been no justice.

    Some writers at Slate have written some thoughtful articles about this whole debacle. I don’t think anyone except for the most extreme folks still believe the story to be true.

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    At this point, I think Amanda Marcotte has blocked more people than are following her.
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  53. ““Because there’s nothing more beautiful than the way the ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline, no matter how many times it’s sent away.”
    ― Sarah Kay”

    Gee, that sounds kinda rapey to me.

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  54. Twins has something similar, with Danny DeVito’s character writing love letters from soap operas.

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  55. The iSteve commenters should have a “top this” contest, in which they invent the next revelation in the ongoing saga, and win only if it’s not topped by reality.

    Jackie lifted the rape scene from “50 Shades of Grey.” Erdely is a paid agent of the Men’s Right’s movement. The whole thing is really a viral marketing campaign for a new movie from Rolling Stones Studios, a thriller that features a college student falsely accused of rape.

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  56. […] We now know that Jackie concocted a scheme to ensnare a guy who she had the hots for. And this thing is getting weirder and weirder by the day. Now it turns out that her love letter to her would-be boyfriend was plagiarized. […]

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  57. @neff
    Some writers at Slate have written some thoughtful articles about this whole debacle. I don't think anyone except for the most extreme folks still believe the story to be true.

    At this point, I think Amanda Marcotte has blocked more people than are following her.

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    At this point, I think Amanda Marcotte has blocked more people than are following her.
     
    Yes, Amanda Marcotte is one of the stubborn holdouts. Amanda Hess is reasonable and has written thoughtfully about the subject though.
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  58. Norm asked the Dem cheerleader Judd Apatow if he was still looking into the Clinton allegations of rape

    With the feminists hysterically emoting about the rape culture, won’t it cause a great disturbance in the Force when Hillary runs, still married to a man who has been credibly accused of rape? Of course, if you count every unwanted advance as rape, as is the fashion these days, Bill Clinton could be accused of multiple rapes.

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  59. Sounds kind of stalky to me.

    Ryan, when’s the last time you checked on your pet rabbit?

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  60. Interesting that Rubin Erdely says she is re-doing the story. Who will publish it? Rolling Stone as a face-saving exercise? Who else, given her reputation as a journalist is now trashed?
    It seems the only way she can salvage some of her own reputation is to throw Jackie under the bus, and say she was completely hoodwinked by an unstable and manipulative undergrad. Talk about your coalitions coming apart. But unless she says that, her career is toast.

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  61. Someone start a hashtag #comeonoutandshowyourselfjackie

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  62. Plagiarism of plagiarism, says the Preacher,
    plagiarism of plagiarism! All is plagiarism.
    What does man gain by all the toil
    at which he toils at his Smartphone?
    A generation goes, and a generation comes,
    but the earth remains forever.
    The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
    and hastens to the place where it rises.
    The wind blows to the south
    and goes around to the north;
    around and around goes the wind,
    and on its circuits the wind returns.
    All streams run to the sea,
    but the sea is not full;
    to the place where the streams flow,
    there they flow again.
    All things are full of weariness;
    a man cannot utter it; but he may text,
    the eye is not satisfied with seeing, when it bothers to look,
    nor the ear filled with hearing, but only with earbuds.
    What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.
    Is there a thing of which it is said,
    “See, this is new”?
    It has been already been tweeted, many times,
    in the ages before us.
    There is no remembrance of former things,
    nor will there be any remembrance
    of later things yet to be
    among those who come after.

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    That's really good. Did you write it?
    , @Torn and Frayed
    Ecclesiastes 1:4-11 - “There Is Nothing New Under The Sun”
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  63. […] Source: Steve Sailer […]

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  64. Here is my prediction for the story. I think that there are some obvious questions calling out for answers. What made Jackie pick the night of the date to make the false claim? What plans had Ryan made for the night or the surrounding days and nights? If you read between the lines in the letter, especially the last few lines, I’m guessing that another girl entered the picture. Jackie had recently made a pass at Ryan. After being rejected, the average obsessed adolescent would just play for time, but Jackie took bold action. Since she took such dramatic steps, she must have felt some urgency. If I were a reporter, I’d be asking more questions about the state of Ryan’s life at the time. Had he recently started dating someone? If a girl had recently come into his life, a good reporter should start looking at the girl’s life, too. If a rival entered the picture, did any rumors or other problems develop for the rival?

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  65. OT,

    Always with the bodies…

    Eric Garner and the Value of Black Obese Bodies:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-kukla/eric-garner-and-the-value-of-black-obese-bodies_b_6324568.html

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  66. That’s quite a few authors that she plagiarized from.

    How come none of those people noticed that it was their lines and their work ?
    Is it because the glitch email hasn’t been analysed elsewhere than on sites like iSteve and the Daily Caller ?

    Jackie is a certifiable fruitcake but it’s time to focus back on the members of the media and academic establishment who have made it a moral offense to think skeptically.

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  67. Harry, I remember the cases of Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Willey coming across as far more credible than any of the rape stories that the media has pushed on us in the last couple decades, yet both cases were completely ignored by the media and feminist groups. Of course, those cases were back in the 90s before the rise of social media and blogs that have helped destroy the narrative like Steve recently did with Rolling Stone.

    Bubba paid off Paula Jones for exposing himself to her, which feminists would view as rape. We really should push this as a wedge issue between the feminists and the Clinton supporters. Hillary is hardly innocent in this as well because she always played a large role in destroying the reputation of the sexual harassment and rape accusers.

    The irony of all this feminist talk about “rape culture” and “attacking the victim” is that bill and Hillary did just that for decades to complete silence from the feminists. It reminds me a lot of how silent all the leftists who went ballistic about the patriot act and the NSA and drone strikes became once they realized Obama was even worse than bush on those things.

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    Yes, Broaddrick and Willey both seemed fairly credible to me, as did the stories from the officers of Arkansas Governor Clinton's security detail. 1990s American feminism had no problem ignoring all that, and now 21st century feminism around the world is fixated on believing every rape accusation, no matter how incredible, and of redefining "rape" to include any later-regretted sex act.

    In Britain a woman named Eleanor de Freitas committed suicide just before the start of her trial for making false rape accusations. SJW organs like the Guardian and the Independent find it outrageous that she was being prosecuted, despite security video of her buying sex toys with the alleged rapist the day after the alleged rape and an online ad of her advertising as a "tantric sex goddess available for outcalls". The denial of evidence and reason is international.
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  68. @MC
    It's pretty pathetic that a student at one of the more prestigious schools in the U.S. can't even write Dawson's Creek-level prose without plagiarizing.

    The “Dawson’s Creek-level prose” was probably written by alumni of even more prestigious schools.

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  70. @Neil Templeton
    Plagiarism of plagiarism, says the Preacher,
    plagiarism of plagiarism! All is plagiarism.
    What does man gain by all the toil
    at which he toils at his Smartphone?
    A generation goes, and a generation comes,
    but the earth remains forever.
    The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
    and hastens to the place where it rises.
    The wind blows to the south
    and goes around to the north;
    around and around goes the wind,
    and on its circuits the wind returns.
    All streams run to the sea,
    but the sea is not full;
    to the place where the streams flow,
    there they flow again.
    All things are full of weariness;
    a man cannot utter it; but he may text,
    the eye is not satisfied with seeing, when it bothers to look,
    nor the ear filled with hearing, but only with earbuds.
    What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.
    Is there a thing of which it is said,
    “See, this is new”?
    It has been already been tweeted, many times,
    in the ages before us.
    There is no remembrance of former things,
    nor will there be any remembrance
    of later things yet to be
    among those who come after.

    That’s really good. Did you write it?

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    I had a little help from some old Jewish guys.
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  72. @Neil Templeton
    Plagiarism of plagiarism, says the Preacher,
    plagiarism of plagiarism! All is plagiarism.
    What does man gain by all the toil
    at which he toils at his Smartphone?
    A generation goes, and a generation comes,
    but the earth remains forever.
    The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
    and hastens to the place where it rises.
    The wind blows to the south
    and goes around to the north;
    around and around goes the wind,
    and on its circuits the wind returns.
    All streams run to the sea,
    but the sea is not full;
    to the place where the streams flow,
    there they flow again.
    All things are full of weariness;
    a man cannot utter it; but he may text,
    the eye is not satisfied with seeing, when it bothers to look,
    nor the ear filled with hearing, but only with earbuds.
    What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.
    Is there a thing of which it is said,
    “See, this is new”?
    It has been already been tweeted, many times,
    in the ages before us.
    There is no remembrance of former things,
    nor will there be any remembrance
    of later things yet to be
    among those who come after.

    Ecclesiastes 1:4-11 – “There Is Nothing New Under The Sun”

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  73. http://pantheon.media.mit.edu/treemap/country_exports/CN/all/-4000/2010/H15/pantheon

    Have you seen this yet Steve? It’s interesting once you’ve had a bit of a play around with it.

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  74. @Trumped
    Harry, I remember the cases of Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Willey coming across as far more credible than any of the rape stories that the media has pushed on us in the last couple decades, yet both cases were completely ignored by the media and feminist groups. Of course, those cases were back in the 90s before the rise of social media and blogs that have helped destroy the narrative like Steve recently did with Rolling Stone.

    Bubba paid off Paula Jones for exposing himself to her, which feminists would view as rape. We really should push this as a wedge issue between the feminists and the Clinton supporters. Hillary is hardly innocent in this as well because she always played a large role in destroying the reputation of the sexual harassment and rape accusers.

    The irony of all this feminist talk about "rape culture" and "attacking the victim" is that bill and Hillary did just that for decades to complete silence from the feminists. It reminds me a lot of how silent all the leftists who went ballistic about the patriot act and the NSA and drone strikes became once they realized Obama was even worse than bush on those things.

    Yes, Broaddrick and Willey both seemed fairly credible to me, as did the stories from the officers of Arkansas Governor Clinton’s security detail. 1990s American feminism had no problem ignoring all that, and now 21st century feminism around the world is fixated on believing every rape accusation, no matter how incredible, and of redefining “rape” to include any later-regretted sex act.

    In Britain a woman named Eleanor de Freitas committed suicide just before the start of her trial for making false rape accusations. SJW organs like the Guardian and the Independent find it outrageous that she was being prosecuted, despite security video of her buying sex toys with the alleged rapist the day after the alleged rape and an online ad of her advertising as a “tantric sex goddess available for outcalls”. The denial of evidence and reason is international.

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  75. @Trumped
    https://mobile.twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/540621817736876033

    Hilarious tweet where the always great norm macdonald calls out Judd Apatow for the leftist Hollywood hypocrisy on the Cosby case. Norm asked the Dem cheerleader Judd Apatow if he was still looking into the Clinton allegations of rape while he demands cosby never be allowed to have any more shows.

    LMAO it reminds me of how all the stuff about rape allegations and sexual harassment and older men taking advantage of young girls suddenly didn't matter to feminists and far leftists when it was Bubba doing it.

    Hilarious tweet where the always great norm macdonald calls out Judd Apatow for the leftist Hollywood hypocrisy on the Cosby case.

    Well you are half right. Norm is great but the tweet wasn’t funny.

    Norm has toured with Cosby and Norm supported Dole over Clinton and not just for professional reasons as a Bob Dole impersonator.

    The difference is of course that Cosby has been drugging and raping White women for maybe 30+ years. 25+ women have come forward with the same claims. Misled, drugged, raped.

    Stop making excuses for Cosby just because you hate White liberals and Clinton.

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    The difference is of course that Cosby has been drugging and raping White women for maybe 30+ years.
     
    Not "drugging" them. Rendering them unconscious. Google the fetish "somnophilia" aka "Sleeping Beauty Syndrome".
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  76. “but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

    I agree. Erdely is the professional who refused to do her job properly, whereas Jackie may have some serious mental health issues”

    Me three.

    Clearly this young woman has some problems (or ‘issues’ as they are called today). But just like the Duke families didn’t go after Crystal Gale Magnum, but rather pursued Nifong, here the real villain is Rubin Ederley and Rolling Stone. (Singular verb not originally intended, but most appropriate)

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    The point of “going after” Jackie is, not to bring her down, but what it shows about the media, including Erdely and Rolling Stone; how easily they are suckered if you tell them what they want to believe.

    this hoax that suckered most of the American news media for two weeks was never a masterpiece of careful planning. It just stumbled upon what our news media already wanted to believe, whatever the evidence.
     
    Do you have any suggestions for directly going after Erdely and Rolling Stone?
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  77. Nothing to do with this unhinged woman and the “award-winning feature writer and investigative journalist” who attempted to foist this crap on us .

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236

    Whatever happened “the gentle giant ” was probably only one or two encounters with the popo away from starting his prison career .And hey, at least he wasn’t the baby’s daddy of 2 or 3 more like himself yet.

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  78. @M_Young
    "but I would prefer the focus were back on Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

    I agree. Erdely is the professional who refused to do her job properly, whereas Jackie may have some serious mental health issues"

    Me three.

    Clearly this young woman has some problems (or 'issues' as they are called today). But just like the Duke families didn't go after Crystal Gale Magnum, but rather pursued Nifong, here the real villain is Rubin Ederley and Rolling Stone. (Singular verb not originally intended, but most appropriate)

    The point of “going after” Jackie is, not to bring her down, but what it shows about the media, including Erdely and Rolling Stone; how easily they are suckered if you tell them what they want to believe.

    this hoax that suckered most of the American news media for two weeks was never a masterpiece of careful planning. It just stumbled upon what our news media already wanted to believe, whatever the evidence.

    Do you have any suggestions for directly going after Erdely and Rolling Stone?

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  79. Remember this shot-at-fame hoax? – at least the Heenes used a real balloon, and now their creepy-looking young-uns have three privately-released recordings: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/15/balloon-boy-5-years-later/17327017/

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  80. So many blog entries on this affair. Why not put it all together into a book together with some general comments on false rape accusations?

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    So many blog entries on this affair. Why not put it all together into a book together with some general comments on false rape accusations?
     
    Because this isn't about false rape accusations. Jackie didn't even make a false rape accusation; she just concocted a fictional rape story that was not intended to get anyone punished. The real point is media mendacity, and a book about that would be welcome.
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  81. @Filmer
    Why did Jackie think calling her would-be beau a "scaredy cat" would be a good idea? If I was Ryan, that would piss me off. That line struck me as odd when I first read it. Turns out it was originally describing a girl. This just gets weirder and weirder.

    Right. Jackie took a TV script written to tap into teenage girls’ romantic fantasies, and she tried to use it on a guy. Guys learn how to pine for women from very different TV shows and movies.

    This is what you should have expected, considering that she’d already tried to get Randall/Ryan to like her by pretending that handsome Haven was into her, and that she was rejecting Haven’s advances. That sort of game only works with the genders reversed. Women are more attracted to a man when it appears that lots of beautiful and high-status women are already attracted to him, and if he ignores the beautiful women that are falling all over him, that suggests he’s capable of getting even hotter ones. A super-alpha. But no heterosexual man becomes more attracted to a woman just because her boyfriend is Dawson Leery, or because she turned down Dawson Leery.

    Jackie was capable of enough honest introspection to recognize exactly what turns her on, but she mistakenly projected these things as being the same things that would attract a guy. This is a good case study for the game/PUA/red-pill community. Perhaps women are quite aware of what really attracts them but won’t admit it when asked directly.

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  82. @Dahlia
    Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives? I riffed off of The Song of Songs to my then boyfriend once when I was a little younger than Jackie. I didn't plagiarize and it was hard, but what she did would be harder and take more time even if she was doing less riffing and more lifting. How many sources are we talking about?
    Any thoughts?

    “Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives?”

    It’s not work if it’s what you do essentially as a hobby.

    I don’t think that’s uncommon for teenagers. You watch your favorite shows, or tell your friends your favorite quotes, incessantly. I remember at about that age, my best friend and I ran through an entire “Taboo” deck (game where you have to get your partner to name something, without saying the 5 most common word associations) mostly using Monty Python and Simpsons quotes, with a few other references, private jokes, and theme songs thrown in.

    She had probably transcribed those quotes on many a Lisa Frank spiral notebook while not paying attention in class in high school and middle school.

    For another source, consider the Reality Bites character who spoke entirely in advertising taglines. Generations or centuries ago, folks would know the Bible and/or Shakespeare plays or the Illiad or the Odyssey by heart. Now, every 18 year old can mold their own canon.

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    Thanks. I can see that.
    Kind of sweet :)
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  83. @asdf
    Damn. Good detective work. This Jackie is truly lost. That Rolling Stone reporter should be ashamed of herself.

    As in Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me which leads to the question does anyone know if she has been fooled thrice?

    Fool me once, shame on you fool me twice, ratings galore! seems to be the motto of the media and their inability to learn from hoaxes.

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  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This great story gets better by the day. Steve, I hope you put it in a book. As Ann Coulter is saying, this whole yarn needs to be thoroughly documented as a hoax to prevent the Chorus from singing their expected refrain, “Yeah, and you know, UVA! Fraternities! Evil boys! On shards of glass!”

    Kudos to Richard Bradley, Steve Sailer & co., and Chuck Ross at the DC, and others growing too numerous to mention. Even CNN gave us some real reporting from Sara Ganim and Ray Sanchez who interviewed Ryan Duffin and Alex Stock. It was that interview that provided the screen image at 5:06 of the email “Haven Monahan” supposedly received from Jackie and forwarded to Ryan Duffin five days after the alleged attack that “Monahan” had coordinated. At least according to Ryan Duffin. But what is the provenance of this email? Could we see it a little more clearly please, Mr. Duffin? Until we do, much appreciation also is due to iSteve commenter Harold for the transcription from the fuzzy screen image.

    Well. We know that the vaunted honor code at the dear old u of v is kaput. What’s young Mr. Duffin fishing for these days? Maybe his reputation, since it was done no favors by the Penn educated RS fabricator Sabrina Rubin Erdely. “I couldn’t help but notice that everything that the article said about me was incorrect,” Duffin said, per AP story by Matt Stroud dated 12/15/2014. We’re assured that he just wants to get the truth out, right? But he’s still subscribing to The Narrative: something terrible happened to Jackie that night. As Duffin told T. Rees Shapiro, reported in the Washington Post article on December 1 (when he was still hiding behind the name of “Randall” that was given him in the RS article),

    “She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before, and I really hope I never have to again. . . . If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”

    So he’s supporting her story, but with the qualification that if she was lying, it was a really great act, worthy of an Oscar, and so he was no dupe to have believed it. And regardless of what actually happened, we need to talk about this terrible problem of the pervasive rape culture [at UVA, and in our society, and among those fraternities]. Again, per Matt Stroud’s AP article,

    “People at U.Va. want answers just as much as I do,” Duffin says. “But if anything, the takeaway from all this is that I still don’t really care if what’s presented in this article is true or not because I think it’s far more important that people focus on the issue of sexual assault as a whole.”

    Don’t really care if what’s presented in this article is true or not? Yep, he’s a smart lad all right. Per Jackie: “I mean he’s smart. He’s sensitive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat. If you creep up behind him, he’ll jump right out of his skin.”

    My “takeaway from all of this,” Mr. Duffin, is that I don’t believe you or your self-serving story or your continuing recital of The Narrative any more than I believe Jackie or Sabrina Erdely or your bud Alex Stock or any of the others in this cast of lying characters in this sorry ordeal. But, as you said, we sure do want answers, and I’m glad we have a small army digging at it.

    Keep it up Steve Sailer, and Chuck Ross, and Richard Bradley, and all the other fine folks who are sifting through the mess made in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    Are you watching this unfold, Teresa Sullivan? You, Ms. President of the University of Virginia, will need to walk this all the way back to the start as you put together your list of people and institutions you and the Board of Visitors have harmed and owe apologies to. But we won’t hold our breath waiting for you. We have heard enough from you to know

    I’m sure many of you are aware by now of today’s reports from the Washington Post and the statement from Rolling Stone magazine. While all of us who care about the University of Virginia are upset by the Rolling Stone story, I write now with a different message.

    Over the past two weeks, our community has been more focused than ever on one of the most difficult and critical issues facing higher education today: sexual violence on college campuses. Today’s news must not alter this focus. Here at U.Va., the safety of our students must continue to be our top priority, for all students, and especially for survivors of sexual assault.

    We will continue to take a hard look at our practices, policies, and procedures, and continue to dedicate ourselves to becoming a model institution in our educational programming, in the character of our student culture, and in our care for those who are victims.

    Now is the time for us to come together as a community to lead the way on this critical issue.

    – Teresa A. Sullivan “To the University Community” December 5, 2014

    And, Ms. Sullivan, as someone else said earlier about the University, “Here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.”

    Meantime, while we tolerate truly egregious errors, we anxiously await the return of Sabrina Rubin Erdely. And Jackie. And their enablers and cheering squads. Come out, come out, wherever you are! We have more questions, and we want answers.

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    "Oscar quality" acting isn't really saying much, and anyone who has experienced a fabulist, a Borderline Personality Disorder person, is probably in the presence of someone who is easily up to Oscar level. But how is a 19-year-old boy expected to judge this? I can see how he and others just can't imagine that nothing happened. A twisted storyteller is so out of the experience of most people, much less a (probably a bit isolated and naïve) young boy that they can get away with it. And these fabulists live off the emotions of others and they play them. It's amazing, and amazingly disastrous.
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  85. It seems clear that Jackie isn’t a very stable individual, and things certainly haven’t been going as she had hoped. These latest posts by Steve and Chuck Ross are going to be widely read by the UVa “community” — a further humiliating turn for Jackie. I hope she doesn’t harm herself — and that her friends and family are taking the possibility seriously.

    That sort of tragic turn of events would be put to use by the promoters of the Campus Rape Epidemic hysteria. The facts and patterns that have been laid out at iSteve are unknown to most people. This would provide an opportunity to move attention away from the university culture that nurtures deranged fantasies, and away from the callous and reckless journalistic practices that gave wings to this hoax. Instead, I’d expect the Progressive/Feminist coalition would seize the opportunity to refocus the narrative, so that its central element becomes the hounding of this hapless victim by pale stale males.

    It’s a risk.

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  86. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    I knew one individual who engaged in catfishing, sockpuppets, and other online behavior because of her uncontrolled need for attention and affirmation. Most of the things she would post online or send in email, whether they were blog-like dissertations on her observations about life intended to score "Wow, you're such a great writer" points from her friends, or to confess her deep feelings for someone were -- wait for it -- lifted from other sources.

    It seems that people like Jackie who engage in these sorts of things have a combination of low self esteem and a thought process that says, "Well, if I'm going to make things up, might as well get help from the best." If they had confidence in their own ability to express themselves, they probably wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.

    The person I'm referring to was quite attractive and bright, but had an un-magnetized moral compass. Couple that with a willingness to drop her drawers to get things to go her way and you can imagine the havoc she wreaked. It took years to repair all the interpersonal relationships that got wrapped around the axle because of her.

    “an un-magnetized moral compass” — I want to steal that!

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  87. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Women are more attracted to a man when it appears that lots of beautiful and high-status women are already attracted to him, and if he ignores the beautiful women that are falling all over him, that suggests he’s capable of getting even hotter ones. A super-alpha. But no heterosexual man becomes more attracted to a woman just because her boyfriend is Dawson Leery, or because she turned down Dawson Leery.

    Disagree, with the possible caveat that for men it happens more with regard to sex rather than love.

    Imagine a guy at a dance– dances with a girl a few songs and is on the fence about her, it’s just ho-hum. Then, several songs later, he sees her dancing with another guy: decent chance he feels a pang of regret and his interest picks up substantially. Strippers play these types of games all the time.

    If the guy categorically does not like her (or thinks she crazy), then agreed, it won’t work.

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  88. @Discordiax
    "Question (Chuck Ross has found even more lifted, including from Scrubs):

    The sources are many and disparate, extremely so. This would be a lot of work. A lot. What gives?"

    It's not work if it's what you do essentially as a hobby.

    I don't think that's uncommon for teenagers. You watch your favorite shows, or tell your friends your favorite quotes, incessantly. I remember at about that age, my best friend and I ran through an entire "Taboo" deck (game where you have to get your partner to name something, without saying the 5 most common word associations) mostly using Monty Python and Simpsons quotes, with a few other references, private jokes, and theme songs thrown in.

    She had probably transcribed those quotes on many a Lisa Frank spiral notebook while not paying attention in class in high school and middle school.

    For another source, consider the Reality Bites character who spoke entirely in advertising taglines. Generations or centuries ago, folks would know the Bible and/or Shakespeare plays or the Illiad or the Odyssey by heart. Now, every 18 year old can mold their own canon.

    Thanks. I can see that.
    Kind of sweet :)

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  89. @Jack D
    Jackie - the gift that just keeps on giving. The mother of all clusterfakes! Even her love letters are fake. Has anyone checked her chest?

    As usual, the legacy media is a step or two behind. Don't they have Google at CNN or are they not really trying?

    A lot of the commenters noticed that Jackie appeared to be a surprisingly good writer but I guess she was just an unsurprisingly good plagiarist. How did she even come up with these sources? They seem to be pretty obscure.

    >How did she even come up with these sources? They seem to be pretty obscure.

    Steve links to two Tumblr-hosted blogs in this post, and a Google search shows about 90 unique hits on that domain that include the Scrubs quiz question.

    Not hard to imagine Jackie spends a lot of time on that website. If you’re not familiar with it and its users, take a look at @tumblrtxt on Twitter.

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  90. An irony of this whole amazing hoax is that, if ever there were a real life story begging to be made into an absorbing movie, this would be it.

    And what’s the probability of that happening?

    Do those numbers ever go below zero?

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  91. @Jack D
    Here's another copied line:

    “Because there’s nothing more beautiful than the way the ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline, no matter how many times it’s sent away.”
    ― Sarah Kay

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/11377.Sarah_Kay

    Sarah Kay, a graduate of Brown University, was born in New York to a Japanese American mother and a Jewish American father. She began performing poetry at the Bowery Poetry Club in the East Village at the age of 14, joining their Slam Team in 2006.[5] That year, she was the youngest person competing in the National Poetry Slam in Austin, Texas. In 2007 Kay made her television debut, performing the poem "Hands" on HBO's Def Poetry Jam.[6] She has performed at events and venues like the Lincoln Center, the Tribeca Film Festival, and at the United Nations ....

    I suspect Jackie saved up quotes that matched her emotions over the weeks (yes it was only a few weeks) that Ryan spurned her and cut and pasted them into this letter. No wonder her grades dropped - she was spending all her time writing love letters and running her catfishing scheme.

    I also suspect that virtually every other line in that letter is also copied from somewhere, so keep looking, crowdsourcers. This is a rare chance to look inside the head of a modern American woman and see the crazy.

    That metaphor was used brilliantly by the Who in “Love Reign O’er Me”

    – Only love can make it rain
    The way the beach is kissed by the sea

    Probably where Sarah got it from, listening to her old man’s Quadrophenia album (released in 1973).

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    Quadrophenia's the ultimate teen-gothic piece, Y chromosome subdivision-- 200 proof hormonal drama administered by a trained master
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  92. @vinny
    Speaking of catfishing, I wonder how much, if any, sock puppeting is going on among the iSteve commentariat.

    Anyone could sockpuppet here to their heart’s content, but there’s not much drama, so I expect little or none.

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  93. Someone needs to post this video, if only for Debbie Harry’s crazygirl impression.

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  94. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    At this point, I think Amanda Marcotte has blocked more people than are following her.

    At this point, I think Amanda Marcotte has blocked more people than are following her.

    Yes, Amanda Marcotte is one of the stubborn holdouts. Amanda Hess is reasonable and has written thoughtfully about the subject though.

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  95. @Sparkling Wiggle
    Also, Haven Monahan is about as convincing a pseudonym as Art Vandelay.

    Also, Haven Monahan is about as convincing a pseudonym as Art Vandelay.

    “Haven” sounds like the name of a male Mary-Sue character in a bad fan-fiction piece, formed by mashing together “Hunter” and “Raven”.

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  96. “I opt for happiness! James Caan doesn’t opt for happiness!”

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  97. The Indian in NATURAL BORN KILLERS was right. ‘Too much TV.’

    These millennials need a good spanking.

    RUBY SPARKS, WHAT IF, GIRLS, BLING RING, SPRING BREAK, etc.

    Spoiled Brats.

    #paddlejackie

    What kills me is the likes of Gavin McInnes dumps on millennials but act even worse.

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  98. @Rifleman

    Hilarious tweet where the always great norm macdonald calls out Judd Apatow for the leftist Hollywood hypocrisy on the Cosby case.
     
    Well you are half right. Norm is great but the tweet wasn't funny.

    Norm has toured with Cosby and Norm supported Dole over Clinton and not just for professional reasons as a Bob Dole impersonator.

    The difference is of course that Cosby has been drugging and raping White women for maybe 30+ years. 25+ women have come forward with the same claims. Misled, drugged, raped.

    Stop making excuses for Cosby just because you hate White liberals and Clinton.

    The difference is of course that Cosby has been drugging and raping White women for maybe 30+ years.

    Not “drugging” them. Rendering them unconscious. Google the fetish “somnophilia” aka “Sleeping Beauty Syndrome”.

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  99. @UVA72,

    The more I think about this the more I just don’t get it. I’m trying to think back to how much dumber I was when I was 18-20, and I am trying to cut these kids some slack, but still, this doesn’t add up.

    First of all, when Ryan was described in the Rolling Stone article as acting in such a callous way, and it was said he declined to be interviewed, why wasn’t his immediate response to shout from the highest rooftop that this was a pack of lies? I don’t know what he did on campus before the press came calling, but I would have been burning up the phones of every reporter and university administrator I could calling BS on the story. Even when presented with an opportunity to speak to the press he equivocated.

    Second, when he got an e-mail from the guy who had allegedly orchestrated the gang rape of his friend, how could his reaction have been anything other than “YOU SOB, YOU RAPED MY FRIEND!” It is impossible to overstate the audacity of this act if the rape had actually happened.

    My hunch is that Ryan knew early on that Jackie had concocted all this, but doesn’t want to say so publicly out of a residual sense of loyalty to his friend. The equivocation in his answers indicates to me someone who knows the truth but just doesn’t want to say it. If he didn’t figure this out early, and just sat around like a fool while his friend’s rapists sent him texts, then either the much vaunted intellect of the UVA student body is overrated, or the guy is a huge p***y. He also seems like he doesn’t want to run afoul of the rape culture Gestapo, so is being very cautious and trying not to upend that narrative too much.

    My charitable view of Ryan is that he is a nice guy who is acting chivalrously in not throwing his female friend under the bus, but just isn’t a very convincing actor. My uncharitable view is that he’s a dolt and ironically a “scaredy cat.”

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    "why wasn’t his immediate response to shout from the highest rooftop that this was a pack of lies?"

    You need to lawyer up and think things through carefully when a social media justice warrior mob is out for blood.

    , @Desiderius

    The equivocation in his answers indicates to me someone who knows the truth but just doesn’t want to say it.
     
    He's not the only one.

    At the end of the day, this is the crux of the issue.
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  101. @Filmer
    @UVA72,

    The more I think about this the more I just don't get it. I'm trying to think back to how much dumber I was when I was 18-20, and I am trying to cut these kids some slack, but still, this doesn't add up.

    First of all, when Ryan was described in the Rolling Stone article as acting in such a callous way, and it was said he declined to be interviewed, why wasn't his immediate response to shout from the highest rooftop that this was a pack of lies? I don't know what he did on campus before the press came calling, but I would have been burning up the phones of every reporter and university administrator I could calling BS on the story. Even when presented with an opportunity to speak to the press he equivocated.

    Second, when he got an e-mail from the guy who had allegedly orchestrated the gang rape of his friend, how could his reaction have been anything other than "YOU SOB, YOU RAPED MY FRIEND!" It is impossible to overstate the audacity of this act if the rape had actually happened.

    My hunch is that Ryan knew early on that Jackie had concocted all this, but doesn't want to say so publicly out of a residual sense of loyalty to his friend. The equivocation in his answers indicates to me someone who knows the truth but just doesn't want to say it. If he didn't figure this out early, and just sat around like a fool while his friend's rapists sent him texts, then either the much vaunted intellect of the UVA student body is overrated, or the guy is a huge p***y. He also seems like he doesn't want to run afoul of the rape culture Gestapo, so is being very cautious and trying not to upend that narrative too much.

    My charitable view of Ryan is that he is a nice guy who is acting chivalrously in not throwing his female friend under the bus, but just isn't a very convincing actor. My uncharitable view is that he's a dolt and ironically a "scaredy cat."

    “why wasn’t his immediate response to shout from the highest rooftop that this was a pack of lies?”

    You need to lawyer up and think things through carefully when a social media justice warrior mob is out for blood.

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  104. “Also, Haven Monahan is about as convincing a pseudonym as Art Vandelay.”

    Hey, Sean Hannity had a guy named Buck Sexton subbing for him today. Said he was former CIA and NYPD Intel, too.

    Buck…Sexton. Just process that one for a while.

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  105. @Steve Sailer
    That's really good. Did you write it?

    I had a little help from some old Jewish guys.

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  106. Hey, Steve, did Chuck Ross at Daily caller steal your rightful Instalanche?

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  107. Art Vandelay is a pseudonym?

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  108. @Anon
    Off topic but you might be interested in the collapse of the allegations of torture/abuse against British soldiers in Iraq. (Al-Sweady inquiry) Fraudulent claims by "highly motivated" individuals, lies by lawyers, enthusiastic uptake by the left wing...

    Re Al Sweady, here’s an eyewitness account. The British government is a disgrace.

    http://mondaybooks.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/in-foreign-fields-heroes-of-iraq-and-afghanistan-in-their-own-words/

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  109. @Anonymous
    This great story gets better by the day. Steve, I hope you put it in a book. As Ann Coulter is saying, this whole yarn needs to be thoroughly documented as a hoax to prevent the Chorus from singing their expected refrain, "Yeah, and you know, UVA! Fraternities! Evil boys! On shards of glass!"

    Kudos to Richard Bradley, Steve Sailer & co., and Chuck Ross at the DC, and others growing too numerous to mention. Even CNN gave us some real reporting from Sara Ganim and Ray Sanchez who interviewed Ryan Duffin and Alex Stock. It was that interview that provided the screen image at 5:06 of the email "Haven Monahan" supposedly received from Jackie and forwarded to Ryan Duffin five days after the alleged attack that "Monahan" had coordinated. At least according to Ryan Duffin. But what is the provenance of this email? Could we see it a little more clearly please, Mr. Duffin? Until we do, much appreciation also is due to iSteve commenter Harold for the transcription from the fuzzy screen image.

    Well. We know that the vaunted honor code at the dear old u of v is kaput. What's young Mr. Duffin fishing for these days? Maybe his reputation, since it was done no favors by the Penn educated RS fabricator Sabrina Rubin Erdely. "I couldn't help but notice that everything that the article said about me was incorrect," Duffin said, per AP story by Matt Stroud dated 12/15/2014. We're assured that he just wants to get the truth out, right? But he's still subscribing to The Narrative: something terrible happened to Jackie that night. As Duffin told T. Rees Shapiro, reported in the Washington Post article on December 1 (when he was still hiding behind the name of "Randall" that was given him in the RS article),

    “She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before, and I really hope I never have to again. . . . If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”
     
    So he's supporting her story, but with the qualification that if she was lying, it was a really great act, worthy of an Oscar, and so he was no dupe to have believed it. And regardless of what actually happened, we need to talk about this terrible problem of the pervasive rape culture [at UVA, and in our society, and among those fraternities]. Again, per Matt Stroud's AP article,

    "People at U.Va. want answers just as much as I do," Duffin says. "But if anything, the takeaway from all this is that I still don't really care if what's presented in this article is true or not because I think it's far more important that people focus on the issue of sexual assault as a whole."
     
    Don't really care if what's presented in this article is true or not? Yep, he's a smart lad all right. Per Jackie: "I mean he’s smart. He’s sensitive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat. If you creep up behind him, he’ll jump right out of his skin."

    My "takeaway from all of this," Mr. Duffin, is that I don't believe you or your self-serving story or your continuing recital of The Narrative any more than I believe Jackie or Sabrina Erdely or your bud Alex Stock or any of the others in this cast of lying characters in this sorry ordeal. But, as you said, we sure do want answers, and I'm glad we have a small army digging at it.

    Keep it up Steve Sailer, and Chuck Ross, and Richard Bradley, and all the other fine folks who are sifting through the mess made in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    Are you watching this unfold, Teresa Sullivan? You, Ms. President of the University of Virginia, will need to walk this all the way back to the start as you put together your list of people and institutions you and the Board of Visitors have harmed and owe apologies to. But we won't hold our breath waiting for you. We have heard enough from you to know

    I’m sure many of you are aware by now of today’s reports from the Washington Post and the statement from Rolling Stone magazine. While all of us who care about the University of Virginia are upset by the Rolling Stone story, I write now with a different message.

    Over the past two weeks, our community has been more focused than ever on one of the most difficult and critical issues facing higher education today: sexual violence on college campuses. Today’s news must not alter this focus. Here at U.Va., the safety of our students must continue to be our top priority, for all students, and especially for survivors of sexual assault.

    We will continue to take a hard look at our practices, policies, and procedures, and continue to dedicate ourselves to becoming a model institution in our educational programming, in the character of our student culture, and in our care for those who are victims.

    Now is the time for us to come together as a community to lead the way on this critical issue.

    -- Teresa A. Sullivan "To the University Community" December 5, 2014
     
    And, Ms. Sullivan, as someone else said earlier about the University, "Here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."

    Meantime, while we tolerate truly egregious errors, we anxiously await the return of Sabrina Rubin Erdely. And Jackie. And their enablers and cheering squads. Come out, come out, wherever you are! We have more questions, and we want answers.

    “Oscar quality” acting isn’t really saying much, and anyone who has experienced a fabulist, a Borderline Personality Disorder person, is probably in the presence of someone who is easily up to Oscar level. But how is a 19-year-old boy expected to judge this? I can see how he and others just can’t imagine that nothing happened. A twisted storyteller is so out of the experience of most people, much less a (probably a bit isolated and naïve) young boy that they can get away with it. And these fabulists live off the emotions of others and they play them. It’s amazing, and amazingly disastrous.

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  110. “Don’t say anything until I’ve said what I’ve got to say. I’ve known you for almost two years now, and I’ve never taken you as seriously as I should have. You are the strangest, coolest, most genuine person I’ve ever met and the thing that scares me about you is… how good you make me wish I was”

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  111. @Lovernios X
    That metaphor was used brilliantly by the Who in "Love Reign O'er Me"

    - Only love can make it rain
    The way the beach is kissed by the sea

    Probably where Sarah got it from, listening to her old man's Quadrophenia album (released in 1973).

    Quadrophenia’s the ultimate teen-gothic piece, Y chromosome subdivision– 200 proof hormonal drama administered by a trained master

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  112. I haven’t tracked down the authorative text of the Monohan Telegram– did she say write anything in it ’bout these fish having feelings?

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  113. “What a tangled web we weave / When first we practise to deceive”
    – Bob Marley

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  114. Harry, I remember the cases of Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Willey coming across as far more credible than any of the rape stories that the media has pushed on us in the last couple decades, yet both cases were completely ignored by the media and feminist groups.

    Yes, they were credible. A recent discussion here suggested that Clinton didn’t much care about policy. Instead, for him, the point of power was personal.

    1990s American feminism had no problem ignoring all that, and now 21st century feminism around the world is fixated on believing every rape accusation, no matter how incredible, and of redefining “rape” to include any later-regretted sex act.

    Of course, feminism had no problem ignoring that. The Left has no principles; the Left has people, and the point of Leftist politics is to advance the interest of Leftists. Most women are not Leftists, and feminism has little to do with women, and even less to do with women who are not lesbians.

    By the way, the dogmata you talk about were prevalent in the 1980′s. And the number then was not 1 in 5 college women raped; it was 1 in 4.

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  115. @Zach
    So many blog entries on this affair. Why not put it all together into a book together with some general comments on false rape accusations?

    So many blog entries on this affair. Why not put it all together into a book together with some general comments on false rape accusations?

    Because this isn’t about false rape accusations. Jackie didn’t even make a false rape accusation; she just concocted a fictional rape story that was not intended to get anyone punished. The real point is media mendacity, and a book about that would be welcome.

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    The real point is media mendacity, and a book about that would be welcome.
     
    Not just the media. Keep in mind that Sullivan would not even have been around to embarrass the school and the state had not the usual "respectable" people caved to the entirely predictable protests of her earlier ouster.

    Ultimately SJWs gonna SJW. If you want to lead, you best demonstrate the balls to stand up to them and the brains to know why.

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  116. @Filmer
    @UVA72,

    The more I think about this the more I just don't get it. I'm trying to think back to how much dumber I was when I was 18-20, and I am trying to cut these kids some slack, but still, this doesn't add up.

    First of all, when Ryan was described in the Rolling Stone article as acting in such a callous way, and it was said he declined to be interviewed, why wasn't his immediate response to shout from the highest rooftop that this was a pack of lies? I don't know what he did on campus before the press came calling, but I would have been burning up the phones of every reporter and university administrator I could calling BS on the story. Even when presented with an opportunity to speak to the press he equivocated.

    Second, when he got an e-mail from the guy who had allegedly orchestrated the gang rape of his friend, how could his reaction have been anything other than "YOU SOB, YOU RAPED MY FRIEND!" It is impossible to overstate the audacity of this act if the rape had actually happened.

    My hunch is that Ryan knew early on that Jackie had concocted all this, but doesn't want to say so publicly out of a residual sense of loyalty to his friend. The equivocation in his answers indicates to me someone who knows the truth but just doesn't want to say it. If he didn't figure this out early, and just sat around like a fool while his friend's rapists sent him texts, then either the much vaunted intellect of the UVA student body is overrated, or the guy is a huge p***y. He also seems like he doesn't want to run afoul of the rape culture Gestapo, so is being very cautious and trying not to upend that narrative too much.

    My charitable view of Ryan is that he is a nice guy who is acting chivalrously in not throwing his female friend under the bus, but just isn't a very convincing actor. My uncharitable view is that he's a dolt and ironically a "scaredy cat."

    The equivocation in his answers indicates to me someone who knows the truth but just doesn’t want to say it.

    He’s not the only one.

    At the end of the day, this is the crux of the issue.

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  117. @ben tillman

    So many blog entries on this affair. Why not put it all together into a book together with some general comments on false rape accusations?
     
    Because this isn't about false rape accusations. Jackie didn't even make a false rape accusation; she just concocted a fictional rape story that was not intended to get anyone punished. The real point is media mendacity, and a book about that would be welcome.

    The real point is media mendacity, and a book about that would be welcome.

    Not just the media. Keep in mind that Sullivan would not even have been around to embarrass the school and the state had not the usual “respectable” people caved to the entirely predictable protests of her earlier ouster.

    Ultimately SJWs gonna SJW. If you want to lead, you best demonstrate the balls to stand up to them and the brains to know why.

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  118. […] – miscreants. Perhaps defiantly, Rolling Stone still has up on its site the damning tale of “Monahan’s” depredation and impromptu remodel of rumpus-room furniture. And this, months after the entire […]

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  119. […] words “Haven Monahan,” this is just a boring story about proper procedures not being followed. With the words “Haven Monahan,” however, it’s […]

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  120. […] we all know, the Campus Rape Crisis is due to white fraternity boys like U. of Virginia lifeguard Haven Monahan. Except, despite all the rules mandating counting race and rape on campus, nobody ever releases any […]

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  121. […] having Haven send Ryan an email explaining why Ryan should fall in love with Jackie, cribbed from Dawson’s Creek and other romance shows for boy-crazy tween […]

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