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Los Angeles has always been full of bizarre and entertaining local news, but the dominant Los Angeles Times traditionally found tabloid stories in poor taste.

Sam Quinones

In the last decade, however, it featured a first rate reporter named Sam Quinones who combined a taste for lurid crime stories with impressive big picture analytical chops. His 2008 LAT article “A familial mean street: Networks of relatives have bred crime on once-peaceful Drew Street, police say” was so good that I commented upon it at length in VDARE.

He focused on the extended family of that Mama Leon that had made Drew Street of Glassell Park in a prime location just north of downtown Los Angeles into a pocket battlefield:

“An illegal immigrant and mother of 13, [Maria] Leon has a lengthy arrest record and three convictions for drug-related crimes—for which she’s served no prison time, according to court documents. …

“Police said Leon, 44, and her extended family were deeply involved in the drug trade that has made Drew Street among L.A.’s most notorious.” …

“The Leons—and members of several other immigrant families on Drew Street whom authorities have charged with criminal acts—hail from the town of Tlalchapa in the state of Guerrero, which has a reputation as one of Mexico’s most violent regions. Police estimate that dozens of members of these extended families belong to the Avenues gang. …

“’It’s been a safety net for them to rely on each other—brothers, cousins and all,’ said LAPD Lt. Robert Lopez. ‘The likelihood of someone within your family ratting you out is really low.’”

“Police task forces, gang sweeps, arrests—even a 2002 gang injunction—have done little to break the bonds of family and culture that breed criminal activity on Drew Street, officials said. …

“The city said that ‘I’m not supposed to have gangs out in the yard’ in front of the apartment building, according to one landlord who requested anonymity, fearing reprisal. ‘I’m the one who is supposed to go and chase them out? I don’t think so.’” …

“Over the years, Leon had 13 children with five men, according to court records. Several of her sons are documented gang members, according to police. One of Leon’s sons, Daniel, was killed last month in the shootout on Drew Street after allegedly firing an AK-47 at officers.

“The close family ties on Drew Street, along with the poverty and overcrowding, have made it difficult for police to penetrate, authorities said. Police report having seen lookouts standing atop apartment buildings, watching for cops or rival gang members, ready to whistle or chirp their Nextels in warning.”

Now, Quinones is back with an article, “The End of Gangs” in Pacific Standard, on radical new strategies begun under Bill Bratton that the LAPD has been using to crush gangs, including cleaning up Drew Street.

Traditionally, the LAPD focused on arresting the “kingpins,” the leaders of the gangs. Kill the head and the body will die. This assumed there were a few really bad criminals and a lot of marginal kids who would straighten up and fly right once the malign influence of the kingpin was gone. Instead, removing the leadership just led to wars to become leaders.

So, LAPD started using federal RICO indictments to round up all the foot soldiers in massive military-like operations and then packing them off to federal penitentiaries in places like Arkansas.

FEW PLACES SHOW MORE clearly how CompStat, community policing, RICO indictments, and shifts in the real estate market can come together to alter a terrain than those nasty two blocks in Northeast L.A. around the corner from where Simon Tejada lives. …

As [Officer] Murphy introduced himself around, he kept private the knowledge that the department was preparing a massive RICO indictment against the Drew Street gang. This had come about because an LAPD officer who had patrolled Drew for several years had paid a visit to Chris Brunwin, the federal prosecutor. The two had worked together on the Highland Park gang case. In years past, the idea that an LAPD street officer would even know a federal prosecutor, let alone visit one, was hard to imagine. But the door was now open.

Thus, in June 2008, three months into Bill Murphy’s tenure as a Captain III, thousands of police officers poured onto Drew Street and into nearby areas. SWAT teams from as far away as the East Coast came in to help. Seventy gang members were indicted.

As the SWAT trucks moved out that afternoon, city street cleaners moved in. They covered the graffiti, removed trash, cut down sneakers hanging from telephone wires, and swept streets that hadn’t been swept in a year. They repaired a fountain in the pocket park at the end of Drew Street. Officers began walking foot beats, and kept at it for the rest of the summer.

A grim setback came on August 2, when Drew Street gang members shot to death a deputy sheriff as he prepared for work one morning, but the murder proved the gang’s last gasp. Another RICO indictment quickly followed, with 90 members of the Avenues gang sent off to federal and state prison. Landlords, facing hefty legal penalties for allowing criminal activity on their properties, began evicting gang tenants. Then came the unheard-of: Residents started tipping off officers on which gang members had committed a series of robberies.

By the end of the year, kids were playing in the street. The Northeast Division grew adept at social media, using Twitter to announce crimes that had just happened.

Peace unlocked value. A new neighbor of Simon Tejada’s paid $350,000 for a house last year. Graffiti still occasionally pops up on Drew, but is quickly painted over. The incessant crack trade is gone, as are the menacing kids in hoodies lurking behind cars. Families no longer fall asleep to the sound of gunfire, helicopters, and screeching tires. The area has attracted several Filipino families with young children and no gang affiliations. In conversations I had with them, they seemed only vaguely aware of the street’s notorious history.

The city attorney’s office took possession of the Leon family’s Satellite House in a nuisance abatement lawsuit, and the city brought in massive machinery that devoured it in what amounted to a public exorcism. A community vegetable garden went up on the lot.

DREW STREET, HOBBLED BY overbuilding, remains vulnerable. Dense apartments keep attracting new low-income renters, many of them service workers from Tlalchapa, Guerrero, whose sons, like so many dislocated young men, may be drawn to gang life. Suspicion of the police is still strong. The same tenuous peace holds in many neighborhoods across Southern California.

So, the idea is that instead of going into one small neighborhood and arresting, say, the top eight gang leaders and sending them to local prisons, from which they continue to run things, you arrest 160 gang members and send them off to federal prisons halfway across the country.

It’s straight out of Machiavelli’s The Prince: don’t engage in a pitter-patter of repression against the local power structure that just allows resentments to fester. Instead, assert your authority over an area in one massive coup against the old power structure, and then the locals who are left will come around to your rule.

 
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  1. And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.

    Nah, that’s crazy talk.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue
    You nailed it, Hunsdon.

    This LAPD-fed operation is still nothing more than just one mallet blow in the vast and expanding game of Whack-A-Mole forced on us by our Dear Rulers' ever-increasing Import The Third World policy.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.
     
    As with Japanese rice rockets, there's no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.

    Plenty of Hondas and Toyotas on our roads today.

  2. What exactly was the price tag on all this? I know if these people had continued their activities that is expensive too. But this thing had to cost a lot, not to mention the cost of incarcerating them.

    And what happens when their sentences are up? Do they become Arkansas’ problem?

    Also I am kind of surprised no lawsuits were filed. No one must have cared about these guys at all.

  3. Is there enough space for them all? The number of gang members in Chicago has been estimated by the Chicago Crime Commission to be as high as seventy thousand. There must be similar numbers in other areas around the country. People are also coming in regularly from places south of the border ready to pick up the slack. Let’s not overlook the racial angle- the street gangs all black and Hispanic. Sure, there’s some gangbangers who aren’t but the vast bulk of them are. Could one million gangbangers of color be sent to Gulag Alaska?

    • Replies: @Gaius Baltar

    Is there enough space for them all? The number of gang members in Chicago has been estimated by the Chicago Crime Commission to be as high as seventy thousand.
     
    I would suggest doing even better and building prisons in Alaska, Montana and the Dakotas to hold them.
  4. @Hunsdon
    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.

    Nah, that's crazy talk.

    You nailed it, Hunsdon.

    This LAPD-fed operation is still nothing more than just one mallet blow in the vast and expanding game of Whack-A-Mole forced on us by our Dear Rulers’ ever-increasing Import The Third World policy.

  5. Next, the gangs will start assassinating politicians and officials like they do in Mexico, and after a few of those the chief of police won’t dare touch them. Now that they can’t/won’t be deported the cops just lost a big preemptive weapon in this fight.

    It’s a losing battle, because in the final tally the politicos have a lot more to lose than the Guerreros, who are effectively binationals now.

    Machiavelli assumes local autonomy. That doesn’t apply anywhere outside of DC these days. Puts the Mexican gangs and local police on something closer to an even footing.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Next, the gangs will start assassinating politicians and officials like they do in Mexico, and after a few of those the chief of police won’t dare touch them.
     
    No death penalty in Mexico. Police pay is 1/8 of the US number, so there's plenty of incentive to accept bribes. Mexico is a mess because public officials are literally not paid enough to live on. Cops aren't afraid to go after crooks there - they're on the crooks' payroll.

    Crooks aren't afraid to go after cops because there's no death penalty there. We have a death penalty. We don't use it often, but cop-killers generally get the needle.
  6. Sounds good, but I wonder how high America’s prison population would go if this was done nationwide.

  7. I’ve never seen a neighborhood transition as quickly as Highland Park is right now. 5 years ago York Avenue was not much other than endless cheap Mexican restaurants, auto repair and off-brand party supply stores. Now it’s become Silver Lake east. I have to think the gang crackdown is a major factor in white hipsters coming in and snapping up the lovely little Craftsmen houses.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I just went to Highland Park to see the Pacific Opera Project's "La Boheme," which they set in Highland Park and subtitled "A.K.A., The Hipsters."
  8. @Earl Lemongrab
    I've never seen a neighborhood transition as quickly as Highland Park is right now. 5 years ago York Avenue was not much other than endless cheap Mexican restaurants, auto repair and off-brand party supply stores. Now it's become Silver Lake east. I have to think the gang crackdown is a major factor in white hipsters coming in and snapping up the lovely little Craftsmen houses.

    I just went to Highland Park to see the Pacific Opera Project’s “La Boheme,” which they set in Highland Park and subtitled “A.K.A., The Hipsters.”

    • Replies: @SFG
    Wasn't that the idea behind 'Rent'?
  9. I have to think the gang crackdown is a major factor in white hipsters coming in and snapping up the lovely little Craftsmen houses.

    -Earl Lemongrab

    Yeah, wait until the property value goes through the roof and they start building “apodments” there, which will quickly become flophouses and the cycle starts over again.

    The old blockbusting practice happens at much higher velocity these days. I pity the hipsters who are dumb enough to buy a place in LA as an investment for family.

    Even in Seattle, rents are at Hong Kong levels these days, which is just obscene, especially given the fact that the public schools are nearly half Somali in my kids’ age range. How many of these police crackdowns would it take to make even half of LA an attractive place for middle class whites? More than the LAPD can afford, I’m sure, and that means you’ll always be living under the threat of displacement unless you’re one of the billionaires on the beach.

  10. Folks love to endlessly complain about the huge prison population, but when confronted about alternatives they fall silent because nobody wants these people back on the street.

    • Replies: @another fred
    My only complaint is the money we have to spend to feed and house them.

    They should be working to feed and house themselves.

    I'd also like to ship them garbage to sort for recycling.
  11. What happens when the 1000s of cops collect lush early retirement pensions + healthcare, not to mention the cost to house the prisoners indefinitely and pay the prison staff’s pensions + healthcare? Can LA afford 1000s more police?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    I wasn't sure whether to respond to you, or Bert. Huge prisons are, I should think, an unpleasant solution to the problem, as is vastly increasing the number of "twenty and done" plushly compensated public servants.

    Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that's just crazy talk.

    (Hey, wasn't "Wretched of the Earth" a Frantz Fanon joint?)
  12. @George
    What happens when the 1000s of cops collect lush early retirement pensions + healthcare, not to mention the cost to house the prisoners indefinitely and pay the prison staff's pensions + healthcare? Can LA afford 1000s more police?

    I wasn’t sure whether to respond to you, or Bert. Huge prisons are, I should think, an unpleasant solution to the problem, as is vastly increasing the number of “twenty and done” plushly compensated public servants.

    Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that’s just crazy talk.

    (Hey, wasn’t “Wretched of the Earth” a Frantz Fanon joint?)

  13. @Hunsdon
    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.

    Nah, that's crazy talk.

    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.

    As with Japanese rice rockets, there’s no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.

    Plenty of Hondas and Toyotas on our roads today.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    As with Japanese rice rockets, there’s no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.
     
    But she was not; hence, if we had had a properly protected frontier , she would never have been able get in and start breeding.

    Demography is destiny
    , @AnAnon
    high fertility is a feature of 1st generation immigrants, closing the doors closes that down as well.
  14. You’re not getting rid of gangs until you get rid of the people who breed them. You need to sterilize women 0n welfare to cut them off at the root.

  15. re: too many prisoners to house.

    Easy answer: Russia needs prisoners for the Gulag. Air fare is dirt cheap compared to the cost of American prisons. Twenty five years in a Russian work camp in the taiga will tame the toughest Gang member. Russia gets hard currency and the USA gets rid of the nuisance.

    Dan Kurt

  16. Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that’s just crazy talk.

    This multicultural paradise just isn’t working out like we hoped for. Or something. Things have happened fast oh well!

    It was only around 20 years ago when diversity appeared on the scene and it was cool to see those mix of faces at the park and the bus, and now that is all there is.

    This would not have happened, if white people knew who they were, to begin with.

    I got accosted and proselytized at the mall, by a thoughtful good looking young person, with metaphors about being close to God and purpose and transition through Jesus, or something. This young person stood by the fountain and his eyes were clear. But i was trying to tell him, that it doesn’t matter, because look around all these people are wandering lost and not being beautiful doing things. They are looking and they do not know what for. He asked could he pray for me and i said no pray for them.

    But his purpose means nothing to me or to anyone. We are at the mall in the middle of a big parking lot at the end of a ruined suburb. He wants to pray, but anyone worth a damn needs to be doing something.

    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!). Does anyone have any ideas, along those lines?

    If white Americans hadn’t spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?

    So a crisis of confidence. But the traditional founding stock wasp white American Euro settlers, pilgrims criminals stragglers immigrants pretenders and hangers-on, frauds charlatans rookies and lost souls, laid down their arms and now have no confidence because they were not put to the test. Somehow, before, the cross was that measure but now it is not.

    The mexican killers with their eyes, they don’t need a purpose. Their purpose is being here. Same with everyone else. Their purpose is being here.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!).

    Well if you're going to take all the fun out of it, nobody's going to show up to your reactionary party.
    , @rod1963
    "If white Americans hadn’t spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?"

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965. They had to flee because the government betrayed them and still is. Ever since then the government has been doing it's best to ram diversity down our gullets even if it kills us.

    Today we no longer have borders, citizenship is irrelevant - just walk on in and get free stuff for life. If you're a white working stiff - just work until you die. If you're brown skinned, just take it easy and pump out more morons to populate the prisons and inner cities.

    All the while our politicians and the MSM fully support this and if you oppose it too successfully they'll find a way to crush you.

    We won't be able to do anything until the entire rotting edifice of government and the security apparatus comes apart. It will soon, just be prepared when it does.
    , @Anonymous
    You sound schizophrenic
  17. Machiavelli was a big proponent of decapitation strikes. Indeed, that was basically the only option available to most adventurers in Renaissance Italy. Knock off the ruler and set yourself up as the new ruler. Rounding up the rulers retinue wasn’t really an option. Machiavelli just emphasized that once you knock off the ruler, you make your peace with existing nobles. This isn’t really an option for the LAPD.

    A kind of interesting side note this is exactly the strategy that Harvey Dent adopted in the Dark Knight. He rounded up all the gangsters knowing full well that the big fish would make bail, but that the little fish wouldn’t. That would buy Gotham clean streets for an extended period. I’d go with Machiavelli over Christopher Nolan too, but for some reason that line of reasoning from the movie stuck with me. Probally because I wasn’t sure if that was actually a good strategy. Turns out it is.

  18. @Bert
    Folks love to endlessly complain about the huge prison population, but when confronted about alternatives they fall silent because nobody wants these people back on the street.

    My only complaint is the money we have to spend to feed and house them.

    They should be working to feed and house themselves.

    I’d also like to ship them garbage to sort for recycling.

  19. @Suburban_elk

    Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that’s just crazy talk.
     

    This multicultural paradise just isn't working out like we hoped for. Or something. Things have happened fast oh well!

    It was only around 20 years ago when diversity appeared on the scene and it was cool to see those mix of faces at the park and the bus, and now that is all there is.

    This would not have happened, if white people knew who they were, to begin with.

    I got accosted and proselytized at the mall, by a thoughtful good looking young person, with metaphors about being close to God and purpose and transition through Jesus, or something. This young person stood by the fountain and his eyes were clear. But i was trying to tell him, that it doesn't matter, because look around all these people are wandering lost and not being beautiful doing things. They are looking and they do not know what for. He asked could he pray for me and i said no pray for them.

    But his purpose means nothing to me or to anyone. We are at the mall in the middle of a big parking lot at the end of a ruined suburb. He wants to pray, but anyone worth a damn needs to be doing something.

    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!). Does anyone have any ideas, along those lines?

    If white Americans hadn't spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?

    So a crisis of confidence. But the traditional founding stock wasp white American Euro settlers, pilgrims criminals stragglers immigrants pretenders and hangers-on, frauds charlatans rookies and lost souls, laid down their arms and now have no confidence because they were not put to the test. Somehow, before, the cross was that measure but now it is not.

    The mexican killers with their eyes, they don't need a purpose. Their purpose is being here. Same with everyone else. Their purpose is being here.

    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!).

    Well if you’re going to take all the fun out of it, nobody’s going to show up to your reactionary party.

  20. Works as long as they stay in prison forever … well, stay in prison long enough for their old power structure to completely fall apart.

    A Chicago politician last year had the idea of “fighting crime” by arresting thousands of gang members all at once. That’s the worst possible idea. It just puts them in close proximity for a limited period of time. It’s like one of those team cohesion-building retreats corporations supposedly send their employees on, except for the criminal element.

    Even if you arrest all the serious gang members and throw away the key now, it’s uncertain at best what effect that has. This American Life reported last year that gangs on the south side of Chicago have changed a lot in the last 20 years. The feds got good at locking up the top leadership for good. I remember the 25 years ago when it seemed like a big deal to have Larry Hoover and the head of the El Rukns in prison. Things have changed, but not as expected: more kids are in gangs, not fewer. Instead of a few large gangs that kinda sorta have somebody in charge, now there are a million tiny gangs. Maybe that’s better; maybe it’s worse. Hard to say.

  21. @Suburban_elk

    Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that’s just crazy talk.
     

    This multicultural paradise just isn't working out like we hoped for. Or something. Things have happened fast oh well!

    It was only around 20 years ago when diversity appeared on the scene and it was cool to see those mix of faces at the park and the bus, and now that is all there is.

    This would not have happened, if white people knew who they were, to begin with.

    I got accosted and proselytized at the mall, by a thoughtful good looking young person, with metaphors about being close to God and purpose and transition through Jesus, or something. This young person stood by the fountain and his eyes were clear. But i was trying to tell him, that it doesn't matter, because look around all these people are wandering lost and not being beautiful doing things. They are looking and they do not know what for. He asked could he pray for me and i said no pray for them.

    But his purpose means nothing to me or to anyone. We are at the mall in the middle of a big parking lot at the end of a ruined suburb. He wants to pray, but anyone worth a damn needs to be doing something.

    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!). Does anyone have any ideas, along those lines?

    If white Americans hadn't spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?

    So a crisis of confidence. But the traditional founding stock wasp white American Euro settlers, pilgrims criminals stragglers immigrants pretenders and hangers-on, frauds charlatans rookies and lost souls, laid down their arms and now have no confidence because they were not put to the test. Somehow, before, the cross was that measure but now it is not.

    The mexican killers with their eyes, they don't need a purpose. Their purpose is being here. Same with everyone else. Their purpose is being here.

    “If white Americans hadn’t spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?”

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965. They had to flee because the government betrayed them and still is. Ever since then the government has been doing it’s best to ram diversity down our gullets even if it kills us.

    Today we no longer have borders, citizenship is irrelevant – just walk on in and get free stuff for life. If you’re a white working stiff – just work until you die. If you’re brown skinned, just take it easy and pump out more morons to populate the prisons and inner cities.

    All the while our politicians and the MSM fully support this and if you oppose it too successfully they’ll find a way to crush you.

    We won’t be able to do anything until the entire rotting edifice of government and the security apparatus comes apart. It will soon, just be prepared when it does.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior
     
    This is nonsense. the suburbs were a result of white families with rapidly growing incomes wanting larger, newer homes with garages and larger yards.
    , @Art Deco
    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965.

    Chronology is not your strong suit. We've had suburban development as long as we've had cities. However, it was the rule prior to about 1924 that after an interim period the central city would annex the suburban tract development. What changed is that suburban townships began to build their own infrastructure of municipal services and the proportionate benefit of municipal annexation declined. Municipal annexation was all but discontinued by statute in New York and New Jersey in 1924. Also, you had major cities developing proximate to state boundaries, where municipal annexation would never have been practiced (see New York, Philadelphia, Washington for major examples; Portland and Chicago for minor examples).

    Add to that innovations in housing finance. Prior to 1933, home mortgage origination was commonly undertaken by insurance companies and the modal type was the five-year balloon mortgage. The development of the 20% down 30-year mortgage was midwifed by the Federal Housing Administration, which was erected in 1937, not 1964. Mortgage insurance and the secondary market manifested in Ginnie Mae, Fannie Mae &c was also the artifact of federal policy. In 1940, about 64% of the population lived in rental housing. By 1980, that proportion was reversed. General affluence and successful innovation in housing finance generated that.

    You had massive suburban development in my home town throughout the postwar period down to 1964 even though the black population was modest and confined largely to 2 of the city's 24 wards.
  22. Should we consider parents like this Mama Leon a child abuser and take her kids away from her?

    That is extreme but is it right or fair for her to have 13 innocent lives in her hands to set on the path of death and destruction?

  23. Mama Leon could have been shipped out of the country. She was an illegal alien. I am sure some of the others making this a miserably unsafe place were here illegally too.

    I guess that was too horrible thought to contemplate.

  24. This is somewhat in the vein of police triumphalism, and it is pretty much an ongoing trend in the last 15 years or so. You see movies that make heroes of cops.

    The cops in this nation have just got it going on…I mean, the cops have this nation by the short hairs…they can do whatever they want…they are basically on strike in NY City and the media won’t say a bad word about them.

    Why? Yeah, I gotta go there. That’s just who I am.

    Well, you have both political tribes and the corporotocracy/plutocracy complex being served and protected by the cops.

    The cops protect so very well the interests of those at the top.

    Yeah, there was this whole Ferguson situation and the Garner situation. But really the media blamed whites in general for that. However, the cops were so used to having little establishment media criticism of them that they have over-reacted.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Lmbo at this kind of panic beginning to filter through the spergy libertarians who are starting to freak out now that the NYPD called their bluff on their insistence on personal liberty without laws.

    The NYT isn't saying a word? You liar, they just posted up a full throated temper tantrum lashing the NYPD for not wanting to be offered as sacrificial lambs for be Blasio's minority greivance coalition. Ferguson was back to back leftists and libertarians jerking each other off worrying about "police militarization" in the face of race riots. Id say you're uninformed but since you're a regular here, I gotta say you're an idiot.

    Here's the thing:NYC became a hipster paradise because of the NYPD. The ivory tower intellectual "elite" is starting to freak because good luck bopping on down for authentic Oaxacan cuisine if the city goes back to the bad ol days. Ben Domenech over at the Federalist is hilarious as he whiplashes from "the cops are enforcing the laws too much!" to "the cops aren't enforcing it enough!".

    The megaphone's usual tactic of shaming language ain't going to do much to convince people worried about ambush attacks that they need to put their lives on the line so the likes of Klein, Iglesias, and all the rest can nosh on the hippest cuisine in safety.

    Steve, your boy Tracinski is predicting a police rebellion next year. What do you think?
  25. Any home owner with an infestation of vermin has several options available . An exterminator comes to mind right away but I assume that’s to extreme for most people. However we do have a death penalty which could be used more liberally. Our legal system is too gummed up for that to work at present. Any death sentence draws a swarm of lawyers and others out of the bush to feed for decades at tax payer expense.Neither side has any motivation to streamline the process in fact the motivation is to drag it out as long as possible.
    A second obvious option is to block the means of access and leave out poison and traps . OK I know that poison and traps will offend the tender sensibilities of some but who in their right mind could object to just preventing entry ?
    Stop leaving food out for them. One doesn’t need to call in a host of experts for this easy and obvious solution. Seal your trash containers and clean up crumbs and such after food preparation. Really quite simple and no extra cost is involved.
    Sterilization. Most cities have a private organization that can help if your neighborhood has a problem with stray cats .They will provide the traps and for a reasonable fee have the animal sterilized .
    I’m sure if you follow these few simple steps you will soon be living in an environment free of disease carrying pests and vermin.

  26. This is somewhat in the vein of police triumphalism, and it is pretty much an ongoing trend in the last 15 years or so. You see movies that make heroes of cops.

    You’re right. Before 1999 you never, ever EVER saw movies that made heroes of cops.

    Weird, eh?

    Must have something to do with capitalism.

  27. @leftist conservative
    This is somewhat in the vein of police triumphalism, and it is pretty much an ongoing trend in the last 15 years or so. You see movies that make heroes of cops.

    The cops in this nation have just got it going on...I mean, the cops have this nation by the short hairs...they can do whatever they want...they are basically on strike in NY City and the media won't say a bad word about them.

    Why? Yeah, I gotta go there. That's just who I am.

    Well, you have both political tribes and the corporotocracy/plutocracy complex being served and protected by the cops.

    The cops protect so very well the interests of those at the top.

    Yeah, there was this whole Ferguson situation and the Garner situation. But really the media blamed whites in general for that. However, the cops were so used to having little establishment media criticism of them that they have over-reacted.

    Lmbo at this kind of panic beginning to filter through the spergy libertarians who are starting to freak out now that the NYPD called their bluff on their insistence on personal liberty without laws.

    The NYT isn’t saying a word? You liar, they just posted up a full throated temper tantrum lashing the NYPD for not wanting to be offered as sacrificial lambs for be Blasio’s minority greivance coalition. Ferguson was back to back leftists and libertarians jerking each other off worrying about “police militarization” in the face of race riots. Id say you’re uninformed but since you’re a regular here, I gotta say you’re an idiot.

    Here’s the thing:NYC became a hipster paradise because of the NYPD. The ivory tower intellectual “elite” is starting to freak because good luck bopping on down for authentic Oaxacan cuisine if the city goes back to the bad ol days. Ben Domenech over at the Federalist is hilarious as he whiplashes from “the cops are enforcing the laws too much!” to “the cops aren’t enforcing it enough!”.

    The megaphone’s usual tactic of shaming language ain’t going to do much to convince people worried about ambush attacks that they need to put their lives on the line so the likes of Klein, Iglesias, and all the rest can nosh on the hippest cuisine in safety.

    Steve, your boy Tracinski is predicting a police rebellion next year. What do you think?

  28. @Suburban_elk

    Maybe if we stopped importing potential problems from the wretched of the Earth . . .

    Nah, that’s just crazy talk.
     

    This multicultural paradise just isn't working out like we hoped for. Or something. Things have happened fast oh well!

    It was only around 20 years ago when diversity appeared on the scene and it was cool to see those mix of faces at the park and the bus, and now that is all there is.

    This would not have happened, if white people knew who they were, to begin with.

    I got accosted and proselytized at the mall, by a thoughtful good looking young person, with metaphors about being close to God and purpose and transition through Jesus, or something. This young person stood by the fountain and his eyes were clear. But i was trying to tell him, that it doesn't matter, because look around all these people are wandering lost and not being beautiful doing things. They are looking and they do not know what for. He asked could he pray for me and i said no pray for them.

    But his purpose means nothing to me or to anyone. We are at the mall in the middle of a big parking lot at the end of a ruined suburb. He wants to pray, but anyone worth a damn needs to be doing something.

    So people have to find meaning and purpose with activity that is other than killing off the other people and having their women (and girls!). Does anyone have any ideas, along those lines?

    If white Americans hadn't spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?

    So a crisis of confidence. But the traditional founding stock wasp white American Euro settlers, pilgrims criminals stragglers immigrants pretenders and hangers-on, frauds charlatans rookies and lost souls, laid down their arms and now have no confidence because they were not put to the test. Somehow, before, the cross was that measure but now it is not.

    The mexican killers with their eyes, they don't need a purpose. Their purpose is being here. Same with everyone else. Their purpose is being here.

    You sound schizophrenic

  29. @Reg Cæsar

    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.
     
    As with Japanese rice rockets, there's no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.

    Plenty of Hondas and Toyotas on our roads today.

    As with Japanese rice rockets, there’s no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.

    But she was not; hence, if we had had a properly protected frontier , she would never have been able get in and start breeding.

    Demography is destiny

  30. The LAPD might equally have come across this strategy in Mark Bowden’s Killing Pablo, the account of how the Columbian police, army, and government (with loads of help from the US embassy, DEA, CIA, etc.) defeated the Medellin cocaine cartel. They couldn’t reach Pablo Escobar, so they created “Los Pepes” to go after his street gangsters, henchmen, and lieutenants. Also his accountants, plumbers, lawyers, legit-business-managers, friends, relatives… Ultimately, by draining the sea, they got to the big fish himself.

    With the active assistance of his rivals, the capos of the Cali cartel.

  31. Isn’t the real cause of the violence the profits that “illegal” drugs and other vices bring, if these drugs and vices that these gangs sell were no longer illegal the gangs might go out of business, if you are a cute chick repping for Big Pharma pushing prescription drugs you are an esteemed member of society, even though Big Pharmas monopoly is backed up by state violence that is far more genteel and subtle and the legal drugs can very dangerous and harmful

  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What happens when the 1000s of cops collect lush early retirement pensions + healthcare, not to mention the cost to house the prisoners indefinitely and pay the prison staff’s pensions + healthcare? Can LA afford 1000s more police?

    With an AA degree and/or at least two years military service, an LAPD officer starts at around $70k/year. It quickly goes up. In September 2014 1000 LAPD officers who were hired in the last five years got a 20% increase in salary. They were hired after the LA budget cuts 5 years ago which reduced LA City Gov’t salaries. Few LAPD officers make under six figures. Being a cop in this New Gilded Age is the thing to be. Tell your kid to get an AA degree in CJ at a local community college, join the Reserves for a couple/few years, and then start applying to police departments. Try Boston PD first, which starts at $90k/year. In 5 years your kid will be making double what that 70-hour-per-week STEM grad from UC-Irvine is making and will have $0 student loan debt. And that STEM grad will be footing the six-figure pension of your kid for 40 years.

    Think inside the box.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Or maybe tell your kid not to do STEM work at UC-Irvine. Aim higher. Moreover, the idea the 70 hour work weeks are standard for low level STEM workers the nation around is so silly that only a really bitter person could despise the world enough to believe it. Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold. IQ follows the money its a simple principle really. A UC-Irvine kid probally shouldn't ever expect to get the cream of the crop jobs anymore than a Case Western grad. Standard 100000 pensions will over time attract a lot of cream.
  33. So now we all get to suppost these thugs in a federal penitentiary. And when their sentences are up, Arkansas will end up with a couple hundred aging, surly, tattooed, violent reprobates who will either become public charges or who will start another crime wave.

    And, as the article even said, the next cohort of barbarians is already on it’s way from Mexico.

    And – as others have pointed out – we’ll end up with public payrolls even more bloated than they are now. The course of a policeman’s career is not like in the movies. In the movies he stays on the force till he’s a cynical, graying, practically dottering old-man. Then he gets shot in the line of duty the day before he retires. If that were an accurate description of a cops curriculum vitae, police departments would be a lot cheaper. In reality, he works twenty years, then retires on a half or even full pension, which we pay for for another thirty years. And he takes a second job as some kind of private security consultant or operative in the ever-expanding “security industry”.

    And the RICO statues that the Feds employed here will someday be used to crush white political movements. Look at what happened in Greece with Golden Dawn. One adherent of a political party committed a crime, and the government used it as an excuse to destroy the entire movement.

    I didn’t see anything in this story that would lead me to believe that it wouldn’t have just been better to leave Drew St. in the clutches of this feral gang.

  34. Never do an enemy a small injury.

  35. She and all her children are citizens of Mexico. Once convicted, they should be sent to a Mexican prison contracted to house them. It would boost the Mexican economy, reduce our prison numbers, and radically reduce our social costs. I’m thinking a desert facility like the big prison camp the Jews set up in the desert in Holot. Not brutal, just not warm ‘n cuddly.

  36. Its all about the money. Alliance between the gentrifying real estate and White middle class to deport anyone who had no ancestor here before 1964. Easy peasy.

    FIRE intersts get real estate. We get less taxes more spending on us. More goodies for Blacks … tie it to reparations.

    Kkkrazy glue coalition comes apart when youtalk dirty … about money.

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    And for the next step, you stop importing a criminal underclass.
     
    As with Japanese rice rockets, there's no need to import if you manufacture them here. She had her 13 kids in LA.

    Plenty of Hondas and Toyotas on our roads today.

    high fertility is a feature of 1st generation immigrants, closing the doors closes that down as well.

  38. @Anonymous

    What happens when the 1000s of cops collect lush early retirement pensions + healthcare, not to mention the cost to house the prisoners indefinitely and pay the prison staff’s pensions + healthcare? Can LA afford 1000s more police?
     
    With an AA degree and/or at least two years military service, an LAPD officer starts at around $70k/year. It quickly goes up. In September 2014 1000 LAPD officers who were hired in the last five years got a 20% increase in salary. They were hired after the LA budget cuts 5 years ago which reduced LA City Gov't salaries. Few LAPD officers make under six figures. Being a cop in this New Gilded Age is the thing to be. Tell your kid to get an AA degree in CJ at a local community college, join the Reserves for a couple/few years, and then start applying to police departments. Try Boston PD first, which starts at $90k/year. In 5 years your kid will be making double what that 70-hour-per-week STEM grad from UC-Irvine is making and will have $0 student loan debt. And that STEM grad will be footing the six-figure pension of your kid for 40 years.

    Think inside the box.

    Or maybe tell your kid not to do STEM work at UC-Irvine. Aim higher. Moreover, the idea the 70 hour work weeks are standard for low level STEM workers the nation around is so silly that only a really bitter person could despise the world enough to believe it. Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold. IQ follows the money its a simple principle really. A UC-Irvine kid probally shouldn’t ever expect to get the cream of the crop jobs anymore than a Case Western grad. Standard 100000 pensions will over time attract a lot of cream.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold.
     
    Run the numbers:

    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    Now, after 20 years of service, a police officer can expect AT LEAST a salary of $60,000, with maybe another $20,000 of overtime (cops in most places are eligible for liberal overtime, as the force has trouble keeping enough officers). So say his retirement income is %50 of $80,000, which is $40,000.

    He starts collecting this at 38 and lives until 78. That's a fairly average lifespan nowadays. He also gets cheap insurance, and other benefits of retirement.

    So in forty years, this police officer has collected $1.6 million dollars in pension. Not including the health insurance and ancillary benefits.
  39. It’s straight out of Machiavelli’s The Prince: don’t engage in a pitter-patter of repression against the local power structure that just allows resentments to fester. Instead, assert your authority over an area in one massive coup against the old power structure, and then the locals who are left will come around to your rule.

    The Syrian Alawites tried that against the Muslim Brotherhood in Hama back in 1982. It worked for a while, but then came back at them with vengeance.

  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Next, the gangs will start assassinating politicians and officials like they do in Mexico, and after a few of those the chief of police won't dare touch them. Now that they can't/won't be deported the cops just lost a big preemptive weapon in this fight.

    It's a losing battle, because in the final tally the politicos have a lot more to lose than the Guerreros, who are effectively binationals now.

    Machiavelli assumes local autonomy. That doesn't apply anywhere outside of DC these days. Puts the Mexican gangs and local police on something closer to an even footing.

    Next, the gangs will start assassinating politicians and officials like they do in Mexico, and after a few of those the chief of police won’t dare touch them.

    No death penalty in Mexico. Police pay is 1/8 of the US number, so there’s plenty of incentive to accept bribes. Mexico is a mess because public officials are literally not paid enough to live on. Cops aren’t afraid to go after crooks there – they’re on the crooks’ payroll.

    Crooks aren’t afraid to go after cops because there’s no death penalty there. We have a death penalty. We don’t use it often, but cop-killers generally get the needle.

  41. @I am anonymous
    Is there enough space for them all? The number of gang members in Chicago has been estimated by the Chicago Crime Commission to be as high as seventy thousand. There must be similar numbers in other areas around the country. People are also coming in regularly from places south of the border ready to pick up the slack. Let's not overlook the racial angle- the street gangs all black and Hispanic. Sure, there's some gangbangers who aren't but the vast bulk of them are. Could one million gangbangers of color be sent to Gulag Alaska?

    Is there enough space for them all? The number of gang members in Chicago has been estimated by the Chicago Crime Commission to be as high as seventy thousand.

    I would suggest doing even better and building prisons in Alaska, Montana and the Dakotas to hold them.

  42. @Sam Haysom
    Or maybe tell your kid not to do STEM work at UC-Irvine. Aim higher. Moreover, the idea the 70 hour work weeks are standard for low level STEM workers the nation around is so silly that only a really bitter person could despise the world enough to believe it. Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold. IQ follows the money its a simple principle really. A UC-Irvine kid probally shouldn't ever expect to get the cream of the crop jobs anymore than a Case Western grad. Standard 100000 pensions will over time attract a lot of cream.

    Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold.

    Run the numbers:

    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    Now, after 20 years of service, a police officer can expect AT LEAST a salary of $60,000, with maybe another $20,000 of overtime (cops in most places are eligible for liberal overtime, as the force has trouble keeping enough officers). So say his retirement income is %50 of $80,000, which is $40,000.

    He starts collecting this at 38 and lives until 78. That’s a fairly average lifespan nowadays. He also gets cheap insurance, and other benefits of retirement.

    So in forty years, this police officer has collected $1.6 million dollars in pension. Not including the health insurance and ancillary benefits.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    We've had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.
  43. @rod1963
    "If white Americans hadn’t spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?"

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965. They had to flee because the government betrayed them and still is. Ever since then the government has been doing it's best to ram diversity down our gullets even if it kills us.

    Today we no longer have borders, citizenship is irrelevant - just walk on in and get free stuff for life. If you're a white working stiff - just work until you die. If you're brown skinned, just take it easy and pump out more morons to populate the prisons and inner cities.

    All the while our politicians and the MSM fully support this and if you oppose it too successfully they'll find a way to crush you.

    We won't be able to do anything until the entire rotting edifice of government and the security apparatus comes apart. It will soon, just be prepared when it does.

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior

    This is nonsense. the suburbs were a result of white families with rapidly growing incomes wanting larger, newer homes with garages and larger yards.

  44. @rod1963
    "If white Americans hadn’t spent all their seed corn on the suburbs, then maybe they could have figured out something else. But it never occurred to them with those concerns to bother because like the church has that angle covered?"

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965. They had to flee because the government betrayed them and still is. Ever since then the government has been doing it's best to ram diversity down our gullets even if it kills us.

    Today we no longer have borders, citizenship is irrelevant - just walk on in and get free stuff for life. If you're a white working stiff - just work until you die. If you're brown skinned, just take it easy and pump out more morons to populate the prisons and inner cities.

    All the while our politicians and the MSM fully support this and if you oppose it too successfully they'll find a way to crush you.

    We won't be able to do anything until the entire rotting edifice of government and the security apparatus comes apart. It will soon, just be prepared when it does.

    Utter nonsense, the suburbs were a direct result of urban whites fleeing the Federal and State policies of forced busing and plain a** getting away from the blacks and their destructive behavior after the passage of CRA of 1964 followed by the Great Society programs and the Immigration Act of 1965.

    Chronology is not your strong suit. We’ve had suburban development as long as we’ve had cities. However, it was the rule prior to about 1924 that after an interim period the central city would annex the suburban tract development. What changed is that suburban townships began to build their own infrastructure of municipal services and the proportionate benefit of municipal annexation declined. Municipal annexation was all but discontinued by statute in New York and New Jersey in 1924. Also, you had major cities developing proximate to state boundaries, where municipal annexation would never have been practiced (see New York, Philadelphia, Washington for major examples; Portland and Chicago for minor examples).

    Add to that innovations in housing finance. Prior to 1933, home mortgage origination was commonly undertaken by insurance companies and the modal type was the five-year balloon mortgage. The development of the 20% down 30-year mortgage was midwifed by the Federal Housing Administration, which was erected in 1937, not 1964. Mortgage insurance and the secondary market manifested in Ginnie Mae, Fannie Mae &c was also the artifact of federal policy. In 1940, about 64% of the population lived in rental housing. By 1980, that proportion was reversed. General affluence and successful innovation in housing finance generated that.

    You had massive suburban development in my home town throughout the postwar period down to 1964 even though the black population was modest and confined largely to 2 of the city’s 24 wards.

  45. @Truth

    Never mind the silliness of believing that even the majority of cops retire with six figure pensions. If cop salaries were really this entice then the cops would start attracting the level of applicants that would leave a UC-Irvine level grad out in the cold.
     
    Run the numbers:

    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    Now, after 20 years of service, a police officer can expect AT LEAST a salary of $60,000, with maybe another $20,000 of overtime (cops in most places are eligible for liberal overtime, as the force has trouble keeping enough officers). So say his retirement income is %50 of $80,000, which is $40,000.

    He starts collecting this at 38 and lives until 78. That's a fairly average lifespan nowadays. He also gets cheap insurance, and other benefits of retirement.

    So in forty years, this police officer has collected $1.6 million dollars in pension. Not including the health insurance and ancillary benefits.

    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    We’ve had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.

    • Replies: @Truth

    We’ve had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.

     

    No Sir;

    In most places, such as Albuquerque, my "hometown", police are eligible to retire after a flat 20 years...(Info below courtesy Apdonline.com)

    Minimum Albuquerque police officer pay to start is about $39,520. They may get maximum hiring bonus incentive of $5,000 and $1,620 annually if they have a Bachelor’s degree. That added up is about $46,140 to start.


    Police Officer Second Class (P 2/C) pay scale is for one year after graduation from the Academy, $19.00 hour

    Police Officer First Class (P 1/C) pay scale starts one year after graduation from the Academy, $23.15 / hour OR base salary of $48152.00 / year

    Effective 7/1/09 $25.80
    Effective 7/1/10 $28.00

    There are additional Pay Incentives which can easily bring it up $50,000 per year.

    Police officers typically have good retirement benefits. All City of Albuquerque police officer employees, with the exception of Rehires, participate in the Public Employees Retirement Association (PERA). Police officers are eligible to retire after 20 years of service and regardless of age. Upon retirement, officers will receive 70% of their pay from the last three years of their employment. Police officers who wish to retire after 22 years and 10 months, will receive 80% of their pay from the last three years of their employment.


    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/albuquerque/650390-cops-salaries-albuquerque-crime-how-much.html#ixzz3NeFyKHaR

    In addition Art Deco, the active-duty military has a flat 20 year retirement as well, giving soldiers the opportunity to retire at 37 or 38 at 50% of salary FOR LIFE. I work for the army. The national guard/reserve does not pay retirement until 65.
  46. @Steve Sailer
    I just went to Highland Park to see the Pacific Opera Project's "La Boheme," which they set in Highland Park and subtitled "A.K.A., The Hipsters."

    Wasn’t that the idea behind ‘Rent’?

  47. “Kill the head and the body will die. This assumed there were a few really bad criminals and a lot of marginal kids who would straighten up and fly right once the malign influence of the kingpin was gone.”

    This is a common fallacy among the drug legalization advocates. Decriminalize pot or whatever, and voilà, no more pot criminals. The fact that the pot dealers then migrate to more lucrative business like carjacking or heroin or selling 12-year-old girls doesn’t get factored in, though for what it’s worth, all the potheads are grateful.

  48. “Art Deco

    We’ve had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.”

    You don’t have discussions, you have monologues. Whether they retire at the age of 54 is immaterial to the fact that they are often eligible to retire after 20 with pension. Some of them might start late. Anyway, fifty four is not a particularly old age. That’s a lot of public do-re-mi shoveled out to them over the course of their lives.

    And, by the way, a lot of military jobs – perhaps most of them actually – are pretty cushy jobs, some of them might even qualify as sinecures. The actual number of uniformed military personnel who are in danger of death or injury by hostile action is pretty small. There are any number of tradesman who work harder, longer, and face greater threat of death through their occupation than the average serviceman nowadays.

  49. @Art Deco
    A police officer needs only a HS Diploma and can join a force, best case scenario, in most places, at 18. Many are eligible for retirement after 20 years (heading now toward 25, but 20 is still the standard) with (conservatively) %50 of yearly salary; and this is determined (once again generally) by the average of his last three years of service.

    We've had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.

    We’ve had this discussion before here. The median retirement age for police officers is about 54, not terribly different from that of the military.

    No Sir;

    In most places, such as Albuquerque, my “hometown”, police are eligible to retire after a flat 20 years…(Info below courtesy Apdonline.com)

    Minimum Albuquerque police officer pay to start is about $39,520. They may get maximum hiring bonus incentive of $5,000 and $1,620 annually if they have a Bachelor’s degree. That added up is about $46,140 to start.

    Police Officer Second Class (P 2/C) pay scale is for one year after graduation from the Academy, $19.00 hour

    Police Officer First Class (P 1/C) pay scale starts one year after graduation from the Academy, $23.15 / hour OR base salary of $48152.00 / year

    Effective 7/1/09 $25.80
    Effective 7/1/10 $28.00

    There are additional Pay Incentives which can easily bring it up $50,000 per year.

    Police officers typically have good retirement benefits. All City of Albuquerque police officer employees, with the exception of Rehires, participate in the Public Employees Retirement Association (PERA). Police officers are eligible to retire after 20 years of service and regardless of age. Upon retirement, officers will receive 70% of their pay from the last three years of their employment. Police officers who wish to retire after 22 years and 10 months, will receive 80% of their pay from the last three years of their employment.

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/albuquerque/650390-cops-salaries-albuquerque-crime-how-much.html#ixzz3NeFyKHaR

    In addition Art Deco, the active-duty military has a flat 20 year retirement as well, giving soldiers the opportunity to retire at 37 or 38 at 50% of salary FOR LIFE. I work for the army. The national guard/reserve does not pay retirement until 65.

  50. Correct, you are, Mr. Anon.

    And by the way, Art Deco, (and Fred Reed) police have a significantly safer job than farmers (and slightly less safe than GARDENERS).

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/

  51. And these numbers don’t include significant pay bumps and income gain that come from upper level/administrative promotions in the police force.

    As to why police work still attracts few very high IQ individuals despite the relatively high compensation levels? Two words: social prestige.

    There are many high IQ white and Asians who’d rather get paid $50,000 a year to work on the Hill or work for a prestigious non-profit than get paid $100,000 a year as a police officer.

    David Brooks captured a version of this disparity with some humor in one of his books and popularized the phrase “status-income disequilibrium” (though Brooks was talking about a high-income no-name doctor vs. low-income media/political celebrity).

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
  52. “Truth

    Correct, you are, Mr. Anon.”

    That’s strange to see. Then again, it’s strange to be agreeing with “Truth” for several posts in a row.

    A happy New Year to you, Sir.

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