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From the Washington Post:

According to text messages in new court documents, one student was aggressively pursuing a romantic relationship but had been rebuffed just ahead of now-discounted rape allegations.

A lot of effort has been put into stuffing the UVA – Rolling Stone gang rape on broken glass hate hoax down the Memory Hole by making the scandal seem as boring and technical as imaginable: mistakes were made in following proper journalistic procedures. Nothing else to remember here, move along.

The key roadblock was to keep the words “catfishing” and “Haven Monahan” out of the public mind. If you understand how those two fit together, the story is hilarious: a super-girly girl, Jackie, catfishes a dream date “Haven Monahan” into digital existence to make a boy she likes, Ryan, jealous.

When that’s not working she makes up a story about Haven Monahan’s sexual assault. When that still doesn’t make Ryan fall in love with her, she switches back to having Haven send Ryan an email explaining why Ryan should fall in love with Jackie, cribbed from Dawson’s Creek and other romance shows for boy-crazy tween girls.

When that fails, Jackie slowly becomes aware over many months that if she can’t have Ryan, she can still have some of the attention she craves by portraying herself as a victim of campus rape culture. But of course she can’t call the police because she just made everything up. Dean Nicole Eramo recognizes that Jackie’s probably never going to talk to the police about her woozy story.

Eventually, Sabrina Rubin Erdely comes to town for Rolling Stone and between them they work up a doozy of a story. With publication, an actual Night of Broken Glass ensues with SJW vandals smashing the windows of the libeled fraternity house. Jackie then defends Dean Eramo when America’s feminists try to get the poor woman fired. It’s a complete fiasco, but nobody in the media seems to notice that Erdely’s article is absurd until Richard Bradley blogs about it five days later. After four more days, I post a link to Bradley’s blog and the great unraveling begins.

A week and a half later, Shapiro publishes a long article in the Washington Post that lays out many facts (although not yet the name Haven Monahan), but requires a very high reading comprehension level to extract the details and arrange them into an interesting story. (That’s not unusual in a case where a reporter has gotten a scoop under deadline pressure with legal and ideological worries.)

That evening in December 2014, a legendary comedy writer called me out of the blue to talk over the question: Is this Washington Post article actually as hilarious as it appears to me if I boiled it down?

Yes, it is.

But most of the news media never really grasps these later developments in the story that make it so vivid. The NYT, in particular, is extremely reluctant to mention the whole catfishing / Dawson’s Creek angle.

Fortunately, the ongoing lawsuits have allowed Shapiro to return to the story and use the megaphone of the Washington Post to finally start to craft a more memorable public image of this highly representative tale of our age.

 

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  1. It is just that the majority of mainstream media do not want to deal with reporting false allegations of rape made by women because they think that this is a minor problem that occurs fairly regularly with mentally disturbed people, and therefore not really of political interest.

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  2. Muslim woman kicked out of Trump rally.

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  3. Shapiro’s article at WP is quite clear, direct, and critical of the hoax. It uses the name Haven Monahan and explains catfishing. Score for them.

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  4. (A few seconds after I posted the below comment in the previous thread, this new “Haven Monahan” thread appeared. If possible, delete this comment from the previous thread and include it instead in this new thread.)

    From T. Rees Shapiro’s linked article (emphasis added):

    Duffin wrote: “So if I can just ask a question, then … Why did you tell us before the date ever happened that his name was Haven? Haven Monahan? A name that belongs to no UVA student ever? Why has the name changed since then?”

    Jackie wrote back: “His last name was Monahan and he called himself Haven. His first name was John or Jake or something. And he was there that night but he was a bystander. He wasn’t involved. Not really.”

    I never had noticed until now that the real first name of “Haven Monahan” was “John or Jake or something”. I am curious why Jackie Coakley muddled her story by making “Haven” merely a nickname for a Monahan whose real name is John.

    In previous comments in this blog, I pointed out that a Monahan family surely was known to Coakley from Stafford, Virginia, where she grew up and participated in a swimming club.

    Coakley become certified to work as a lifeguard while she attended Mountain View High School in Stafford, Virginia, in 2012. The best opportunity for Stafford high-school students to train as swimmers was to join an organization called YMCA Stingrays Swimming, which trains at the Goolrick Hall swimming pool at Mary Washington University in Fredericksburg, Virginia, about ten miles south of Stafford.

    (I myself lived in Fredericksburg and then in Stafford during 1992-2000, and so I took a special interest in Coakley’s Stafford-Fredericksburg connection.)

    The Stingrays star female swimmer around the year 2012 was Bailie Monahan of Colonial Forge High School in Stafford. For example, Monahan still holds the team records for the following races

    * 100-meter butterfly

    * 200-meter butterfly

    * 400-meter intermediate medley

    * 200-meter medley relay race

    * 50-meter freestyle

    Bailie Monahan was not only a superb athlete but also a superb student. She was awarded the title of USA Swimming Scholastic All-American in 2011 and 2012

    Bailie Monahan is the daughter of Daniel Monahan, a US Marine Corp colonel, and has two younger brothers, Cullen and Nolan, who also are star athletes and competitive swimmers. However, both Cullen and Nolan Monahan are significantly younger than Jackie Coakley.

    In Coakley’s yarn, she met John (aka Haven) Monahan while both of them were working as lifeguards at the University of Virginia’s swimming pool.

    As far as I know, that Stafford Monahan family does not include any member named Haven or John, but Coakley’s own father is named John.

    I speculate that Jackie Coakley enjoyed a fantasy of marrying into Stafford’s Monahan family. Since that family lacked a son whose age was appropriate for her, she imagined that the family had a somewhat older son (age appropriate for her) who went by the name “Haven”, but whose real name was “John”. Since she fantasized about marrying this imaginary “Haven Monahan”, she gave him the birth name “John”, which is the name of her own father, who perhaps symbolized a husband in her mind.

    Perhaps there are some Freudian aspects of Coakleys fantasy about marrying into the Stafford Monahan family.

    Another possibility is that John is the name of Coakley’s high-school classmate who appears in the photograph of “John (Haven) Monahan” that she showed to her university friends.

    A name Jackie provided to the three friends of the student she was going to date did not match anyone at U-Va., and a photograph of the student the friends saw was actually of a man who was Jackie’s high school classmate and attended a different school in a different state. That man, reached by The Post, confirmed that the photos were of him but said he barely knew Jackie and had not been to Charlottesville in at least six years.

    In other words, perhaps that guy in the photograph that Coakley showed to her friends at the University of Viginia is named “John or Jake or something.”

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/garry-trudeau-punching-upward/#comment-922489

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/garry-trudeau-punching-upward/#comment-923075

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  5. Steve, this was a huge win for you (and all of us) but maybe it’s time to let the poor girl get on with her life.

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  6. Did Shapiro get the term “catfishing” from reading iSteve? I’ve never heard of this word until Steve used it.

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  7. Coakley didn’t just claim she’d been gang-raped. Haven Monahan also texted Ryan to say that she had a terminal illness. When questioned by the ever amiable Ryan, Coakley confirmed it. “Ryan, it means I’m dying.”

    Unlike so many, I think she’s crazy like a fox. She managed to turn her world on its ear by lying and lying and lying. And not just harmless lies, say, about how wealthy her family was, how smart she was, etc. but about serious topics like rape and terminal illness. And she skated free.

    I wish nothing but ill on her and all her enablers.

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    People have this weird habit of seeing protesters getting kicked out of Trump rallies, then going to Trump rallies, protesting, then expecting other people to feel sorry for them when they get kicked out.

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  9. You and ****** need to write a screenplay on this — I’m thinking a cross between Idiocracy and To Die For.

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  10. Score for Steve, as well. He handed Shapiro the story, as he frequently does to his covert media readers, and Shapiro had the stones to run with it. Dozens of other media professionals surely read it here, as well, and remained silent.

  11. No, score one for Steve Sailer, Ron Unz and thousands of people making noise about this all over the web and on Twitter. The Washington Post is only being as honest as absolutely necessary. The mainstream media will have to be pounded mercilessly for at least another decade before they’re down to a safe size. Don’t be fooled by one honest news story. The abuse always continues with these types.

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  12. live cod being transported from Alaska to China. During the journey the fish would become lethargic; by the time they arrived, he says, “their flesh was mush and tasteless.” But someone discovered that if catfish were put in the tanks, the cod would remain active. The man said he thanks God for people who play a similar role in life — those “who keep you on your toes, keep you thinking, keep you guessing.”

    Folks who keep aquariums know that catfish (plecostomus) keep the tank clean. They eat the, er, excrement of the other fish.
    I suppose the term is appropriate for the U Va situation: catfish swallowed the crap.

  13. I hadn’t heard of her claims of terminal illness until this article came out.

    She came very close to destroying a lot of lives with her lies.

    She may not have intended to when she set out on this path, but she never tried to stop the juggernaut once it got moving.

    She and Erdley deserve whatever public shaming they get, and more.

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  14. Lawsuits create legal documents and sworn statements that reporters can use with fewer problems than when they simply quote people on the street. Court documents are also a one-stop shop for making a deadline. Thus, the lawsuits have a chance of returning this stupid story back to public awareness.

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  15. For the next isteve fundraiser how about some swag like NPR gives its sponsors.

    Perhaps something like #IBelieveInHavenMonahan bumper stickers or totebags…

    Gotta be better than that Sun-Day Fun-Day Guacamole Bowl…

  16. To those watching at home: study how Steve has been careful and persistent with this, working the angles and pitching things so that more mainstream types can take cues from him and broaden the message. THIS is how it’s done. THIS is how to win people over in e.g. the migrant situation, among others.

    Matt 10:16

  17. Unfortunately I’ve encountered lots of Jackie types in my lifetime. Including a teacher who faked cancer for an entire year before anyone caught on. She even had her head shaved.

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  18. Protester at Trump rally escorted out by police. CNN and other MSM megaphones in the “progressive” echo chamber express outrage.

    Can they really be this desperate? Are they, and their SJW enablers, so delusional as to think this will impact Trump’s support except perhaps to increase it by revealing the grotesque nonsense that Trump’s MSM opponents are promoting?

  19. A non-story. A few people in the crowd were verbally abusive towards her as she was being escorted out of the meeting she disrupted, nothing more. And who’s to say her abusers weren’t provocateurs? This makes “breaking news” on CNN live, while the rape spree in Europe took several days to get proper media exposure.

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  20. And yet the Post will still not print Coakley’s name, on the basis that they do not print the names of rape victims. This in a story that clearly indicates that she was NOT a rape victim at all, but rather just a liar. Is there also a policy against printing the name of liars?

    Many of the commenters pointed this out and gave Coakley’s full name and as of last night (the last time I looked) the Post was allowing these comments thru. Maybe they feel that if they don’t have their fingerprints on it, it’s OK. The whole “not printing” thing is getting ridiculous in the internet age where this information almost always becomes public anyway.

    Incidentally, I learned from the comments that (a) Jackie has gained a good 60 lbs. or more and (b) has gotten married! As Mr. T would say, ” I pity the fool” who married her. In the old days she would have pretended to be pregnant to ensnare the guy in her web but what did she do this time?

  21. Steve, you need a logo. Something simple yet distinct like the Nike swoosh or Apple’s apple.

    And you need to start offering goodies on Cafe Press (or similar) like a white coffee mug with your logo on one side and “Je suis Haven Monahan” on the other.

    Think of the cup as something like a Masonic ring or a secret handshake: a way for us, your minions, to recognize each other in an often intolerant progressive world.

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  22. Wasn’t Sabrina Rubin Erdely catfishing too? She invented an imaginary rape victim so she could lure her editors into a financial relationship.

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  23. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"]
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    I have heard from a recent female graduate that young guys these days have a slogan:

    Never stick it in the crazy!

    I think Duffin was following that advice.

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  24. Apparently she has, indeed, gotten both fat and married: http://gotnews.com/breaking-wedding-photos-of-jackiecoakley-uva-rape-hoax/. Poor fellow whoever he is.

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  25. I got the word from my commenters. I’ve never seen the movie “Catfish.”

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  26. They think it wiull make people dislike Trump, while it actually makes them like him more. How can anyone respect someone like Bernie Sanders who lets a couple of obnoxious loudmouths from Black Lives Matter take over his politicalrally. He proved he’s not a leader.

  27. An important element of modern journalism is to turn interesting, funny stories that contradict the narrative into dull, boring stories that are ignored after the first paragraph.

    I’m betting the majority of the hoax hate crime stories are pretty hilarious in the hands of a competent writer.

  28. Is this a problem?

  29. No, score one for Steve Sailer, Ron Unz and thousands of people making noise about this all over the web and on Twitter. The Washington Post is only being as honest as absolutely necessary. The mainstream media will have to be pounded mercilessly for at least another decade before they’re down to a safe size. Don’t be fooled by one honest news story. The abuse always continues with these types.

    Of course, way more credit to Steve Sailer because he helped break this story as a hoax.

    I’m well aware of outrageous bias in mainstream media, but you are simply exaggerating.

    This particular Washington Post article seems completely aligned with the Sailer perspective, and I don’t think that’s “as honest as absolutely necessary”, that’s a strongly opinionated perspective that agrees with Sailer.

    On March 23, 2015, the Washington Post ran a story with the giant headline, “Charlottesville police make clear that Rolling Stone story is a complete crock”. Again, that’s not subtle. That’s quite charged language for such a mainstream publication.

    I’ve seen other Washington Post articles with left wing spin that I found offensive… Most big media outlets have many writers who write many pieces that have varying levels of bias.

    Even the NYT, is mostly very left wing, they have tons of bias that offends me, but has a few featured writers that are very right wing, and even semi alt right.

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  30. A 56 year-old flight attendant as big as refrigerator Perry. I wanna go into aviation!

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  31. Bailie Monahan is the daughter of Daniel Monahan, a US Marine Corp colonel, and has two younger brothers, Cullen and Nolan, who also are star athletes and competitive swimmers. However, both Cullen and Nolan Monahan are significantly younger than Jackie Coakley.

    In Coakley’s yarn, she met John (aka Haven) Monahan while both of them were working as lifeguards at the University of Virginia’s swimming pool.

    As far as I know, that Stafford Monahan family does not include any member named Haven or John, but Coakley’s own father is named John.

    I speculate that Jackie Coakley enjoyed a fantasy of marrying into Stafford’s Monahan family. Since that family lacked a son whose age was appropriate for her, she imagined that the family had a somewhat older son (age appropriate for her) who went by the name “Haven”,

    Very, very good. You forgot to note “Haven” rhymes or at least has very similar cadence to both “Cullen” and “Nolan”. So either she invented a brother in the same naming style, or simply misremembered one of the real brother’s names. Wouldn’t read too much into her attacker’s real name being “John”, though. When cornered about no “Haven” having ever existed I bet she just fished for one of the most common English male first names in the hope her story would look less obviously absurd, having a non-existent person at the center of it.

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  32. Agreed. I’d buy an RIP Paul Walker mug.

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    I have no use for most superhero stuff, but I did like the remake of Robocop and first Thor(for humor and romance) and now must say Ant-Man is one helluva concept and the execution.

    One of the few times superhero idea was actually brilliant. The whole idea of the ant-man is comical and ingenious, zany and cool.

    An instant classic. One of the best films of 2015.

    Just the right tone and perfect balance of light and heavy.

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    You’re not missing a whole lot. I saw it when it first came out, and it struck me right away how the guys in the movie didn’t think of Googling this “Abby” girl until long after the one guy was in a “relationship” with her supposed mom.

    And when you watch it, look at Henry Joost’s acting when they first suggest Googling her. He says “Let’s check it out!” with this big smile on his face, like they’re the Hardy Boys or something, for figuring out that they should do what any normal person would have done at the very beginning.

    So, what I’m guessing happened was, this woman attempted to “catfish” him, but he saw through it right away, decided that this was as good a time as any to follow in his brother’s footsteps and start his documentary career, and played along with it. Thereby attempting to “catfish” everyone who saw his movie.

    And I don’t really blame them, in a way. The documentary would have been a good way to explore the life of the woman who would decide to pull off a scheme like this. Her life did seem pretty depressing, so it would have been better if we’d seen more about her in the movie, but how would they do that without alerting her to the fact that they were making a movie about her? I don’t know if I could have thought of a better way.

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    We’re a long way from the women of Pan Am.

    How much do you want to bet that she took a job as a flight attendant just so she could screech about all the people who were uncomfortable about having a Muslim stewardess on their plane?

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  36. A 56 year-old flight attendant as big as refrigerator Perry. I wanna go into aviation!

    Before the Delta merger, Northwest “flight attendants” were represented by the Teamsters. Often, they looked the part!

    Except the male ones, of course.

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  38. Weird that the video starts with the date “January 2015″ when it meant January 2016. Come on, alt-right folks, let’s get our act together.

  39. What were the males – Teamstresses?

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    This makes “breaking news” on CNN live, while the rape spree in Europe took several days to get proper media exposure.

    The video was pretty great. The crowd does yell at her, but, then, what do people usually do when they see a protester being escorted out by the cops?

    They actually mention, a couple of times, that ONE GUY giving her a “thumbs-down”, and how shocking it was.

    I’d hate to see what happens to these people when they accidentally catch old re-runs of Happy Days on MeTV. Why, they might see both a thumbs-down gesture AND someone being told to sit on it!

    Now, I’d like to think that the average person watching CNN would think to himself “Wow, that’s it? He didn’t even flip her off! This is the worst thing that happened to her when she protested a Donald Trump rally? These Trump fans sure seem restrained!”.

    But, it’s been a long time since I’ve been able to understand the thoughts of the average CNN viewer, so I doubt most of them will.

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    Invasion of the Body Hatchers.

    Peapod people.

    “you got me…”

    Rotfl.

  42. Are you kidding me? How many lives have been wrecked by the lies spread by rabid SJWs? How many innocent men (and women) have been hounded to the ends of the earth?

    Keep giving her hell, Steve.

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  43. “Keep giving her hell, Steve.”

    Steve is giving her heck. He’s too nice to give her hell.

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    I have heard from a recent female graduate that young guys these days have a slogan:

    Never stick it in the crazy!

    And it’s a good thing too! If you look at the old pictures of Jackie Coakley, she was hot. A lot of people used to joke that Ryan must he gay to not go after her, but it turns out he was just the smartest college sophomore in history.

    Lord knows I wouldn’t have been at his age. Unless she was just really, really crazy and it was obvious to everyone around her.

    I guess logic would dictate that if you were kind of a dweeb, and there was some hot, unattached chick going head-over-heels for you, there must be something wrong, but how many dweebs would have been willing to risk it anyway?

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  45. Perhaps it’s time to let her get on with her life once she publicly admits that she fabricated this story from whole cloth in a childish attempt to gain the romantic attention of a young man she was attracted to, that she did inexcusable damage to a great many people involved in this episode, and that she sincerely apologizes for such damage, for wasting the time of university and law enforcement officials, and for confirming the worst suspicions about women who falsely allege rape.

    But I guess if I were her lawyer I wouldn’t recommend that.

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  46. Did Shapiro get the term “catfishing” from reading iSteve? I’ve never heard of this word until Steve used it.

    I became vaguely aware of it several years ago & upon a bit of research discovered that it is a commonly understood term among educated 20-somethings at least.

  47. Are you kidding me? How many lives have been wrecked by the lies spread by rabid SJWs? How many innocent men (and women) have been hounded to the ends of the earth?

    I’d say at least an order of magnitude, and perhaps more than that, less than those killed in falls down steps or in the bathtub, which,as we know, is an unconscionable plague upon the earth.

    And probably even less than those killed (not just struck) by lightning in the U.S., much less the world every year.

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  48. Apparently she has, indeed, gotten both fat and married: http://gotnews.com/breaking-wedding-photos-of-jackiecoakley-uva-rape-hoax/. Poor fellow whoever he is.

    It is amazing how obesity has become mainstreamed in recent years. At least on the surface, her beau looks like a reasonably together guy. Some years back, the only young guys seen with such grossly overweight partners were visibly losers. Either the losers are getting better at outward presentation or the young guys are lowering their standards, or some combination thereof is the only explanation that occurs to me.

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  49. Hell yeah that’s a great idea! Maybe just our hosts initials written in a bold vintage font… err maybe not.

  50. Agree 100%, but would it ever get a distribution deal? However … it might interest Amazon, who have big new plans for making movies. It’s a well formed, self-contained story (not forgetting the sex and violence). The motivations are all in place. And it could hardly be more modern, involving as it does the internet, spoilt brats in further education, political correctness, etc., etc. The payoff is that Jackie lives happily ever after, impervious to the mayhem she has left behind.

    OTOH, her new husband may not be living quite so happily.

    @Steve – why not send these comments to jeff@amazon.com? :-)

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  51. Good insight! “Attract, distract, disarm, and exploit.” I believe that a degree of lying comes naturally to women. Consider: Makeup, plastic surgery, padded clothing of one kind or another, and behaviors calculated to make them appear vulnerable and in need of special protections, special mentoring and counseling, and affirmative action benefits. I call these “estrual displays and behaviors”. They are part of the mating game, pervasive in the human experience, and usually very effective and successful. In short, women have natural dispositions to project lives of illusion for calculated gain. Jackie Coakley and Sabrina Rubin are only doing what comes naturally to them.

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    And probably even less than those killed (not just struck) by lightning in the U.S., much less the world every year.

    You’re probably right, but people know not to go out in a lightning storm. Most people can avoid that.

    It’s really kind of the same thing with SJWs. People can avoid trouble with them, but you have to avoid doing things you really shouldn’t have to. How many conversations weren’t had, and how many people in the media don’t say things that need to be said because they’re afraid of what will happen? There would be a lot more careers ruined if people didn’t walk on eggshells about so many things.

    It’s kind of like saying how people can avoid being mugged by staying out of the bad side of town. It’s true, but it doesn’t take into account the fact that there are parts of your town where you just can’t go.

    Why do you think most of us around here are anonymous? Would you want your boss finding out that you read and comment here?

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    Either the losers are getting better at outward presentation or the young guys are lowering their standards, or some combination thereof is the only explanation that occurs to me.

    Keep in mind that you’re only seeing professional photographs taken for their wedding. The thing about young guys is that, if they’re physically healthy, most of them can clean up and look presentable for a day when they have to.

    He has kind of a weird smile in the first picture. He either doesn’t look like he’s all that thrilled to be there, or just doesn’t seem like a guy who’s really confident about life in general.

    I also think it’s weird that the photographer didn’t airbrush out the jet contrail in the third picture. It seems like it must have been a pretty cheap photographer, so I would guess that neither of them is very wealthy.

  54. Poor fellow whoever he is.

    On the other hand, he might have landed himself a virgin. How easy is that nowadays? Any evidence either way?

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  55. Steve, you need a logo. Something simple yet distinct like the Nike swoosh or Apple’s apple.

    My favorite musical artists – Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Graham Parker – were anti-logo. Not that some pro-logo musical artists didn’t put out good music.

  56. The maidens actually do not need to be rescued on the internet.

  57. This is the anthem for all this Haven Monahan drama:

    It’s nothing new, it’s just these days facilitated by the media as political propaganda because, well.. they can.

  58. I mentioned above that I thought mainstream media skirt around these false accusations of rape cases, because often the women are mentally ill or disturbed.

    A sad case in point would be that of the violinist Frances Andrade who was forced to give evidence against her former music teacher in a case in England in 2013 and committed suicide a few days later. There is a link to the aftermath here: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-34455558

    In the UVA catfishing case it is quite likely that the apparently massive weight gain of the woman concerned is linked to use of antidepressant medications, or perhaps other mental health medications, several of which can cause rapid weight gain.

    I see little to gain by mentioning the name of the woman concerned as she is not a public figure. However it is interesting that by getting married, she is probably changing her name from the one that is all over the Internet.

    Just as a side point, a lot of credit has been given to the bloggers who first shed suspicion on the veracity of the rape account, and of course it was important to bring these suspicions into the blogosphere, but frankly anybody who knows anything about sex offending or law enforcement or journalism would have suspected the rape account described in Rolling Stone was hyperbolically exaggerated at the very least.

    Having worked for a couple of years in a sex offenders institution where I knew about 750 rapists and pedophiles and spoke to some of them on a daily basis, I am pretty confident that if they had read the Rolling Stone story, most would have laughed their heads off at a such a far-fetched victim account.

    I would have been very skeptical too, being one of those readers who questions everything in any journalistic account of anything. At quite a young age I became aware that any newspaper reports that concerned me, or about events that I had first hand knowledge of, were usually inaccurate in at least some of the details.

    On the very few occasions I have been interviewed by journalists, I was mildly disgusted with the written results, but even at the time of the interview it was already apparent that the story was prewritten in their heads, and the journalists were looking for a few verbatim quotes to flesh out the story.

    For that reason, I would always prefer to write my own story, (and when the Internet actually came along I had a blog before the word blog had been invented. In those days it was called a Home Page and you had to write your own HTML code.) I did this when I was a contestant on the TV show Jeopardy! in the 1980′s and my three-part article in the local weekly entitled “I Was Put In Jeopardy!” got more attention than the usual local story ” Local man in California TV Quiz” would have done, and told readers a lot more about what happens behind the scenes in a TV quiz show.

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  59. You have plenty of time to write. It took eleven years before the Dan Rather biopic, “Truth” appeared. It will take at least that long for America’s memory to fade and Sabrina+Jackie to be turned into victims of Rolling Stone+Patriarchy oppression.

  60. Eh, I don’t know. She stirred up media attention and vandalism against a fraternity that hadn’t actually done anything wrong.

    Since we’ve got destruction of windows for ideological purposes, you could call this the Vergewaltigenkulturkristallnacht. I guess my grandma would be upset, but she’s not likely to read this.

  61. For all you guys out there, watch out. There is a bit of Jackie Coakley in all of them. They can turn on the tears for damn near anything.

    There is a reason that Jewish law (halacha) and Muslim law (sharia) profoundly mistrust females, particularly in matters of sex and truthtelling.

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  62. There is a very old saying admonishing guys to never sleep with someone crazier than you are. I would still be a virgin had I followed that advice.

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  63. How much do you want to bet that she took a job as a flight attendant just so she could screech about all the people who were uncomfortable about having a Muslim stewardess on their plane?

    Googling “Rose Hamid” indicates that the lady is indeed a devoted hobbyist of Muslim butthurt. (At least as far back as 2005, when we find her joining in our holiday tradition of throwing pissy-fits about the singing of Christmas carols. Who says assimilation isn’t working anymore?)

  64. I remember you mentioning Sailer was a Swiss surname but didn’t realize that skiing was in the blood!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Sailer

    His name is on a plaque here in Cortina…

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  65. Eberly has managed to make fraternities objects of sympathy to the alt right. These are the future Chamber of Commerce types.

  66. We had a saying back in the 90′s, in God’s country, in the heartland, in the corner of Dixie I grew up in.

    Virgins were like mountain lions, there were rumors of their existence, but no confirmed sightings.

    I feel depressed when I think about the sexual wasteland my children are going out into and expecting to find partners in.

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    Jackie very likely went on a heavy-duty regimen of antidepressant and anti-anxiety medication after her lies were exposed, which would explain the drastic weight gain.

    Shapiro’s restraint and lack of sensationalism in reporting the story is admirable to me. One could argue that he and his editors intentionally tried to subdue various details to mute the craziness, but I feel that they respected their readers’ intelligence enough to know that the facts spoke for themselves. The story is so outrageous from all angles (and Jackie’s lies are the gift that keep on giving, even a year later) that if it were a movie, film critics would give it low ratings for lacking nuance and credibility.

    I discovered Steve’s writing through Richard Bradley’s blog, having not heard of him before. At one point in the comment section, he alluded to being a controversial writer, so I looked him up. One of my favorite discoveries of the past year.

    It’s curious that Bradley slowly abandoned his blog after his involvement with exposing the Rolling Stone article. I would think it’s a journalist’s dream to have a central role in uncovering a major fraud surrounding a hot national topic, but he completely walked away from it.

  68. I teach high school, and I know a lot of young people (In addition to my school life I have three college age boys). In contrast to my youth in the ’60′s, when seemingly every other boy was named John, and every other girl was named Mary, “John” is not all that common today- “Jon” slightly more so.

  69. I don’t think the problem with the mass media is one of bias as much as it’s a problem of unearned power and unaccountability. Mass media by its nature creates centres of enormous cultural and political influence: broadcasting networks, news wire services, movie studios and printing presses all become hubs of social power. A relative handful of society staff these hubs of power and they gain an enormous boost in personal power by doing so.

    Look at that old clip from All In The Family that was posted in the Nixon/Merkel thread of comments. That shows a man desperately eager to have his face and voice on television and to find himself thwarted in even that. Apparently it’s funny because Norman Lear and his writers got into millions of homes every week while the Archie Bunkers of the world don’t deserve it even once. Well those days are coming to an end.

    Donald Trump will do in the real world what Archie Bunker could never do in fiction. The Great Vulgarian will slay the Newspaper Tiger for all the guys out there slandered by the “Archie Bunker” label and a dozen others.

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  70. You know there really is a rape culture on campus. Its the black frat and the Islamic student welcoming center. So of course the Lying Media has to deflect this hatefact with false allegations of Rich White kids raping black hookers and strong wimmen getting raped by Thurston Howell the Fourth. This is probably why Newsweek was sold for a dollar to a Billionaire that could afford to lose money for a tax write-off. Now TIME, CNN, The Alphabet Soup Networks aand the other Dinosaur Media are all sinking into the Labrea Tar Pits of Caitlyn Jenner and his in-laws that marry dumb blacks that still get dumber. I wouldn’t buy that for a dollar. Where’s Robocop?

  71. They will need to cast an Amy Schumer type, of the appropriate age of course. God it could be sooo, funny. With some blithely feminist and narcissistic actress as the star, too in love with the role to care about or even notice the implications of it all.

  72. Hey Steve Sailer,

    I have a theory that European oriented societies that play Ice Hockey are much more resistant than those that don’t.

    Eastern European nations like Russian and Finland are very good at hockey, they also don’t do stupid things like invite 1 million plus Muslim migrant men in to their country in one year to rape their women, that was done by Germany.

    Germans are excellent at many sports – they are World Cup Soccer champions. But Germans have for some reason never been good at hockey, unlike say the Czechs. British YOBS, Soccer hooligans and now the heavy weight boxing champion are pretty rowdy, fighting folks, but the English/Brits have never even learned how to ice skate, much less compete in international hockey, and face it – Merry Old England has been invaded, raped and occupied by the worst Muslim mobs.

    Some exceptions to my theory might be Sweden and Canada who are very good at hockey, but who have had idiot Lib (especially women) leaders who are clueless about Muslim rapists, invaders. But Sweden now has a strong Islam resisting party the Swedish Democrats.

    What do you say?

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  73. Catfishing comes entirely from the documentary movie “Catfish”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish_(film)

    In the movie, a young man begins an online relationship with a woman who he thinks is “Megan” but it later turns out that he has been communicating entirely with Megan’s mother (and that the mother has created a whole bunch of fake Facebook profiles to back up her sob story).

    According to the movie, when cod are shipped in tanks they become lethargic but if you introduce a catfish to the tank it livens things up for everyone. Presumably the mother is the “catfish” who livens (stirs?) things up with her phony stories.

    In the internet age, it is fairly easy to create false personas (“on the Internet, nobody knows you are a dog”, according the famous 1993 New Yorker cartoon). There are free services that will assign you a phone # for sending and receiving SMS and voice messages, you can create numerous email accounts, Facebook profiles, etc. It’s has become exponentially easier for people like Jackie to do this, so now we need a word for it.

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  74. The treatment of this story is by now classic for the media’s “reporting” on his campaign: huge headlines describing some event connected to Trump as something despicable–I say despicable!– followed by a recounting of the actual facts of the event, which could hardly seem more ordinary.

    How many times do they think they can play this stupid trick and retain any credibility? Aesop himself might have written a parable about it.

  75. If everyone gets fatter, more men have to marry fat women. (And more women have to marry fat men, but they don’t care as much.)

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    OT: Swedish press involved in a large-scale cover-up of Cologne-style mass-gropings during a public outdoor concert in central Stockholm during the summer of 2015; up to 90 men — most of them reportedly Afghans — were dealt with by security guards and police. The number of victims are counted in the hundreds. Journalists at major paper Dagens Nyheter were contacted repeatedly but editors killed the story by dismissing it as “propaganda” for the Sweden Democrats. The scoop features phone interviews and email extracts. This is way bigger than the usual “they are not reporting ethnicities” complaint and Swedish media has entered damage-control mode.

    http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/

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  77. Ryan probably had prior experience with such females and knew to steer clear.

    Even a dweeb knows something is amiss when a hot looking chick is into him. The problem is too many will still go for it. The honest dweebs understand that they aren’t any girl’s idea of good time and walk away from the crazy.

    And there are serious dweebs that even the crazy gals won’t touch like the nerds of Silicon Valley, even with all their money they are such repulsive, creepy males that only hardened gold diggers can tolerate them.

  78. Steve, this was a huge win for you (and all of us) but maybe it’s time to let the poor girl get on with her life.

    Let’s leave that decision to Sabrina Rubin-whatsherface. She can put this all to bed with a forthright mea culpa piece.

  79. A billion years ago, as the Bush II grand game in the Mideast was cratering, some critic referenced ‘graywashing’ as a way of creating impression of reality when reality doesn’t cooperate with policy or narrative. In almost every story about Iraq or Saddam, government and media constantly mentioned 9/11, WMD, anthrax, al Qaeda – so ‘impression’ of connection was created where there was none. There’s no better example of this than Michael Brown’s shooting in 2014 (he was the now-legendary civil rights martyr of Ferguson, in case number and shaky significance of these black-baby lynchings have reaped confusion). For media, Missouri’s great tragedy always will be remembered as “white cop shoots down unarmed black teen in the street”. …Technically true – and a loaded-up Apache helicopter of emotional ordnance. That a few investigations, including one by ex-AG and possible reincarnated Pharoah Eric Holder, held the shooting justified is leper-colony stuff: turn yo’self away.

    Over the past year, the UVA hoax is being graywashed less as an hysterically revealing and bust-out hilarious smash-up of sanctimonious politics and feminist delirium, more as a tragic misfire giving ammunition to the vast Rape the Coeds movement among golf-course Republican white gentile straight men. …With sinister Southern accents sprinkled among the monsters. Y’know: Shrimp-cocktailers. UVA and rampaging Haven Monahan combined for an enormous, flattening blow to The Narrative, despite anything interested parties or hostile elites may holler. So… Better it be mutated into yet another phony teachable moment for us gullible peasants.

  80. I have recently read something nearly identical to what you said. Was it on this blog or somewhere else?

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  81. If Crystal Mangum had been punished severely for falsely accusing the Duke lacrosse players of rape, maybe Jackie Coakley wouldn’t be on our radar.

    But since people take rape claims so seriously, there needs to be a powerful disincentive to making them up.

  82. Wrong on both counts.

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  83. One of the most evil goals of the SJW movement is to lower our due process rights, particularly for white men, so their accusations against them (including both false and exaggerated) can be used as a constant threat. It is a way of empowering jilted girlfriends, ex-wife’s, Anti-racists types, etc. so they can continue their mayhem long after normal people have stopped caring about them. False rape charges (like false domestic abuse) have been regularly used in the divorce courts / family legal system for decades now to get child custody and gain financial leverage so I am not surprised to see it go mainstream. The left would like to see a world where even the slightest accusation of racism, sexism, homophobia will result in the utter destruction of the accused including being fired, losing custody or alimony, getting kicked out of college, etc.

  84. No he wasnt. Megan never existed. He was talking with a fat woman in her thirties who had two twin boys by marriage who were retarded. I’ve seen the movie.

  85. Watch a movie such as Honeysuckle Rose or any cheaply made flick from the 70′s. Compare the extras with our current Rubenesque damsels, youth and elders.

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  86. But you’re not giving yourself enough credit Steve. This post is a hell of a piece of writing. Certainly a classic.

  87. OOPS!

  88. When the subject of rape from a legal/judicial point of view arises, feminists talk about how hard it is to convict anyone of it. That’s true. But then they pretend it’s because the laws are biased against the victim, when in fact the opposite is the case. Considering the sentences handed down for rape and how a conviction ruins the life of the person found guilty, it’s absurdly easy to convict someone of it. If it were as easy to do the same in a murder case, you could get a conviction without a body, nor any conclusive evidence of violence, nor any incontrovertible proof that the alleged victim was dead. Most jurors on rape cases aren’t aware of the extent to which women make false accusations, because the media ignore it.

  89. This young woman’s quite impressive in an evil sort of way – wrecked a family’s life.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12061866/Teacher-loses-marriage-home-and-job-after-student-fakes-terminal-cancer-to-get-her-to-look-after-her.html

    “A “heartless” student who ruined her female lecturer’s life by faking terminal cancer before conning her until she lost her marriage, home and job has been jailed for two years.

    Elisa Bianco, 22, conned Sally Retallack, 49, into believing she was about to die, caused an irreparable rift with her husband, Ralph, and then posed as a man to seduce her online.

    Bianco met the mother-of-four on a college course and convinced her to let her move into her home by pretending she had only three months to live and had been abused by her parents, Truro Crown Court heard. “

  90. You’re kidding, right? This girl created tremendous disruption. A U Va. dean came within inches of having her career destroyed. A fraternity had its windows broken and was forced to close. The entire reputation of a major university, indeed of all young white men was besmirched. And so far Jackie has paid NO price at all. She was not indicted for any crime, she was not expelled for honor code violations, she has not been named in any civil suits, she has not even had her love life damaged. She has never even apologized. Her identity as a self proclaimed “victim” has magically shielded her up until this very minute (the WaPo STILL won’t print her name) even though it is abundantly clear that she is not a victim at all but a perpetrator of a fraud (while on the flip side, white males are automatically presumed to be guilty without any evidence at all – if the left didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.) Do you have any doubt that if Haven Monahan had really existed that he would not have been allowed to remain enrolled as a student at UVa?

    In our system, people who have committed major offenses (and she has) are allowed to “get on with their life” only after they have paid their debt to society. This manipulative woman (she is no poor girl) hasn’t paid squat. My only hope is that people like Jackie tend to come to no good end on their own.

    And of course, Steve was not bringing this up spontaneously – he was responding to a recent WaPo story which is turn was triggered by the information that has been revealed in connection with the pending lawsuits. So it was entirely newsworthy and appropriate.

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  91. “In the movie, a young man begins an online relationship with a woman who he thinks is “Megan” but it later turns out that he has been communicating entirely with Megan’s mother (and that the mother has created a whole bunch of fake Facebook profiles to back up her sob story).”

    Thomas Hardy’s short story On The Western Circuit tells of a lonely middle class woman whose illiterate but pretty servant girl is impregnated by a young lawyer passing through town, and agrees to write letters to him on the girl’s behalf. She gets into the role too well, lawyer falls in love with the supposed letter-writer, marries her then finds out the truth.

    ‘Did she dictate every word you ever wrote to me?’

    ‘Not every word.’

    ‘In fact, very little?’

    ‘Very little.’

    ‘You wrote a great part of those pages every week from your own conceptions, though in her name!’

    ‘Yes.’

    ‘Perhaps you wrote many of the letters when you were alone, without communication with her?’

    ‘I did.’

    He turned to the bookcase, and leant with his hand over his face; and Edith, seeing his distress, became white as a sheet.

    ‘You have deceived me – ruined me!’ he murmured.

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  92. http://dilbert.com/strip/2006-02-05

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    That’s all pretty incredible. Thanks for posting!

  94. Brits play rugby … you have to be tough to play rugby.

    But, when it comes to taking a stand against the Muslim hordes, the only balls they have are made out of leather.

  95. Cops, journalists and various authorities have to deal with borderline people spinning cockamamie tales all the time. You want an interesting conversation? Ask a doctor to tell you about some of his “difficult” patients.

    There were Jackies long before this one and there will be more in the future. Focusing on the Jackies is a waste of time because they’ll never go away. The focus should be on Rolling Stone, Sen. Gillibrand and others who society depends on not to be total freaking saps.

  96. You’re kidding, right? This girl created tremendous disruption. A U Va. dean came within inches of having her career destroyed. A fraternity had its windows broken and was forced to close. The entire reputation of a major university, indeed of all young white men was besmirched. And so far Jackie has paid NO price at all. She was not indicted for any crime, she was not expelled for honor code violations, she has not been named in any civil suits, she has not even had her love life damaged. She has never even apologized.

    In another college town, a woman student seeking attention from an erstwhile boyfriend reported having escaped from a kidnapping. The perpetrator was a “black male.”

    When the story unraveled, the police who conducted a manhunt in a swamp land were not amused. Neither were representatives of the minority community, where any innocent black man could have been “caught in the dragnet.” The young woman was in “serious trouble” with the university and was presented with a bill for the search by the authorities.

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  97. In other news – corporate media is supposedly fanning the flames of nativism and is anti-immigration. WTF? Even here in the east, 3/4 of news were pushing a solidly pro-migration line and getting it real hard in the comment sections.

    No, really. At least according to a high profile SF writer.

    http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/01/long-range-forecast.html#more

    And why all our corporate-owned media (that is, 95% of them: Reddit is owned by Conde Nast, The Times and Fox News and 90% of the newspapers in Australia are owned by Rupert Murdoch, and so on) are banging the drum against immigration, at the behest of their (investor visa equipped) owners.

    Reddit which tried to keep a lid on reports of the mass groberries , and finally relented after NYT admitted something went down.

    It’s amazing how two people can look on the same landscape and see completely different thing. And Stross is not an idiot, however, he’s left-wing.

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  98. Well, OK, maybe women don’t like fat guys.

    But if the prevalence of obesity rises, as has occurred, it likely affects both genders. If more women get fat, the guys at the left half of the attractiveness bell curve have to either marry a fatter woman or die alone (which some assuredly will do).

  99. There’s that alt-right predictive power again. What’s it been? A year that everyone in the alt-right has known this? And it’s only now making its way to WaPo, despite the fact that it’s central to a story that was splashed all over the leftist corporate media.

  100. A 17th-century catfisher?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)

  101. I don’t think the problem with the mass media is one of bias as much as it’s a problem of unearned power and unaccountability. Mass media by its nature creates centres of enormous cultural and political influence: broadcasting networks, news wire services, movie studios and printing presses all become hubs of social power. A relative handful of society staff these hubs of power and they gain an enormous boost in personal power by doing so.

    Turn this around from a gripe to a solution.

    If media people have too much unearned influence and power, then compete for that influence and power or support others who align with your world view to do so.

    I give some money to Steve Sailer for this purpose.

    Personally, I’d like to find my own way to make the world a better place.

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    A tip for Steve’s continual coverage of the Swedish immigration disaster: http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/

    TL;DR There were afghani rape gangs in a Swedish outdoor festival in the Capital this summer, and it was covered up by media and police.

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  103. Sickening. In more than one way.

  104. If Steve skis like Toni, it’d be nurture, not nature.

    Also, he’s spent his life in LA, Houston and Chicago, where the skiing can be described by a single word: “Water-”

  105. Considering being raped is likely to be a death sentence for a female in Muslim countries, no matter what age or condition the alleged victim is in, I’d say the men have their butts covered pretty well on that one.The father and brothers of a 9 yr old child raped by a local in Baghdad in 2002, discussed in her hearing whether they should kill her or not after she came back from the American hospital. They didn’t seem in a hurry to apprehend the rapist.
    And the men are very good liars themselves. Believe me, the women don’t trust them either.
    I guess a woman could make something up, like Potiphar’s wife — but she was pre-Islamic.
    Why don’t the injured parties just sue Jackie and the Ruben lady, and get it out of their systems. Or send them to Cologne for Easter.

  106. Turn this around from a gripe to a solution.

    So sharing my ideas the current state of affairs is a “gripe”? I think I’m going to take another long break from posting comments here.

  107. “Steve, this was a huge win for you (and all of us) but maybe it’s time to let the poor girl get on with her life.”

    Do you expect great things from her, then?
    I vote that she has all the signs of a lifelong piece of garbage, whose future shall consist of careening from one self-made disaster to the next, screaming WHAT ABOUT MEEEE?
    People occasionally get better, but she ain’t the one.
    You are doing the thing that makes Rush Limbaugh say that liberalism is the gutless choice. She will never redeem herself above the level of being an organ donor.
    May we both live long enough to find out who was right about her.

  108. I first read it on a Facebook post by a guy I follow there. Then I heard an identical statement from a retired journalist. Or the other way around; about a week ago the reading and the telling happened so close together that it easily stuck in my mind.

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    It’s amazing how two people can look on the same landscape and see completely different thing. And Stross is not an idiot, however, he’s left-wing.

    Don’t most of the liberals you know think their opinions are original and challenging to the mainstream?

    My favorite is the ones who think that watching the Daily Show is a sign that they are thoughtful and like questioning the prevailing wisdom. You can ask them why it is that, if they like questioning and being challenged so much, why it is that they enjoy watching a show that tells them what they want to hear every single day. You can ask them why, if Jon Stewart is such a rebellious firebrand, why everyone in the media mourned his leaving for weeks. They seem generally confused by the question.

    It seems like something genuinely psychological going on. You can show them article after article in the New York Times, CNN, and every other huge mainstream news source in the world, and they still think of themselves as the underdog. I don’t think they’re faking it.

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  110. OT: Swedish press involved in a large-scale cover-up of Cologne-style mass-gropings during a public outdoor concert in central Stockholm during the summer of 2015; up to 90 men — most of them reportedly Afghans — were dealt with by security guards and police. The number of victims are counted in the hundreds. Journalists at major paper Dagens Nyheter were contacted repeatedly but editors killed the story by dismissing it as “propaganda” for the Sweden Democrats.

    No surprise. Dagens Nyheter is the Bonnier newspaper that introduced multiculturalism to Sweden 50 years ago.

  111. In our system, people who have committed major offenses (and she has) are allowed to “get on with their life” only after they have paid their debt to society. This manipulative woman (she is no poor girl) hasn’t paid squat. My only hope is that people like Jackie tend to come to no good end on their own.

    But she didn’t hurt anyone until someone commandeered her story and redirected it at a real target.

    Rubin-Erdely is the villain here. She deliberately lied for the purpose of harming broad categories of people in addition to a specific chapter of a specific fraternity.

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    It’s funny that the reported story continues to beat around the bush about the fact that the timeframe in which this girl became restraining-order-worthy INSANELY infatuated with poor Mr. Duffin, to the point that she would say things like, “I always run to you” and “you are my favorite person of all time and I trust you more than anything in the world,” was a maximum of about FIVE WEEKS. These were college freshmen! That text was sent in SEPTEMBER!

  113. I don’t know what Coakley now thinks of what happened. Maybe she’s genuinely ashamed and remorseful. If she is, it’s understandable that she doesn’t make an apology, because openly acknowledging what she did could result in her being sued for millions.

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    Not to rain on everyone’s parade, but since she maintained her own true identity throughout this process, and invented “Haven Monahan” not as an alias for herself but as a convenient prop, isn’t this technically known as “sock puppetry?” Catfishing is what African scam artists do on match.com. This would only be Catfishing if “Haven” was the one trying to jump Ryan’s bones, or at least engage in verbose, gay cyber-sex.

  115. Anyone here remember the Susan Smith case?

    She was a white married mother of two little boys. She claimed that an armed black man stole her Mazda Protegé with the tykes still strapped into their seats.

    For a few days, there was a media frenzy amid a massive manhunt, including a segment on America’s Most Wanted. (This was in early November 1994, a few days before the “Republican Revolution” at the ballot box.)

    Then the cops found the Protegé … at the bottom of a lake. The boys were still buckled in, as they had been when Mommy rolled the car into the water. (The cop who made the discovery saw one little hand pressed against the window.)

    Also in the car was a letter from Smith’s lover – the son of a wealthy mill owner. (He was no Haven Monahan – a plain-looking, balding 28-year-old loser still living on his father’s property. But, boy, did he have options! They called him The Catch.) He had written that he didn’t want to be with a woman who already had children.

    The prosecutors tried for the death penalty, but she got life in prison.

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  116. I’m old enough to have seen/parleyed with the women of the 70s. I started noticing about 15 years ago that surprisingly few of the women at the beach were sexy. And I had expected that one of the compensations of age was that more of the younger women looked hot.

    But it wasn’t the case and it has only got worse – obesity among the very young everywhere and it seems more common among young women than men. I tell the young guys that I do feel sorry for them because of this, but they seem oblivious, since this is the only reality they’ve experienced.

    And even at least some guys that are doing quite well, have hot girlfriends, are likely to make a positive remark about a women who by prevailing standards in the past would have been relegated to “fat chick” status by most anyone.

    I guess this is good from the female perspective, they get to eat all they want and still be a player. And the young guys, with no basis of comparison, don’t seem to be complaining, so ultimately who am I to criticize.

    Overall, seems to be an example of how rapidly standards of beauty can change.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874267/Friends-try-correct-record-UVa-rape-story.html

    Even stranger in this melodrama, the real Ryan Duffin appears to be a genuine nerd by all outward mannerisms *4.5/10 maximum*. Whoever Alex Stock is, he is more like a 7/10, depending on height. Did she deliberately target Ryan because he seemed like an easy mark? But once rejected, became obsessed with “getting” Ryan to save her ego? I don’t think she was actually ~so in love~ with Ryan. Her mentally ill ego was obliterated when the safe/easy/stepping-stone choice of prey for a boyfriend saw her as the damaged goods she is.

    Something had to give. If the 4.5 is too good for her, what does that make her? This explains the retarded rip off of Dawson’s Creek; if she really liked him so much she would probably be able to come up with some genuinely nice things to say about him. Also, his completely effeminate beta-ness explains why she put him in the Katie Holmes role of that show. And yet he said no.

    As God is her witness, she will not be rejected by a nerd.

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  118. Good forensics!

  119. frankly anybody who knows anything about sex offending or law enforcement or journalism would have suspected the rape account described in Rolling Stone was hyperbolically exaggerated at the very least.

    Unfortunately, that leaves a great majority in the media who took it at face value, as well as that majority of the public who do not assume that the media routinely tells them falsehoods.

  120. Yeah, I think you may have to go with crazy your first few times. Whatever’s on offer, basically.

  121. I remember Susan Smith.

    She should have fried for murdering those boys.

    The cynical way she accused some nameless fictitious black male of abducting them reminds me of the cynical way Coakley accused those nameless fictitious white frat guys of gang rape.

    Is that similarity what made you mention Smith?

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  122. I don’t agree with your assessment of Ryan.

    Remember, when this hideous fandango happened in September 2012, he was 18 and had only graduated from high school a few months earlier. He was still just a kid.

    To me, he looks like a very nice, kind of goofy guy. You’d be surprised how many gals are attracted to that type.

  123. I remember seeing the news report of that story on satellite by one of the big US broadcasters. They were reporting from the beginning that the police were sceptical of Smith’s abduction story.

  124. Yes.

    One underlying theme is that both women lacked credibility from the start, and yet the media allowed them to sell their sob stories to the public.

    The Smith story didn’t serve the Narrative, at least not at the beginning, but it was a hell of a ratings-grabber. (It ended up serving the Narrative very well – “See how white women lie to get black men in trouble?”)

    Smith went to the cops on a Tuesday. They doubted her story right away. At first, they hoped that the boys might still be alive, but early on they knew that they were most likely dead.

    On Thursday, she failed a polygraph test. The Associated Press reported this fact, but buried it near the end of an article that ran in most newspapers on Saturday morning.

    Over the weekend and into the next week, the headlines screamed “Sobbing mother makes desperate plea for her kidnapped children” – few reporters questioned the veracity of her claims. The TV networks ran the dramatic footage of Smith’s tearful statements to the press. She kept on failing polygraph tests and the cops kept on allowing her and her husband to go on national television and beg for a family reunion that they knew would never come.

    On Saturday night, the credulous America’s Most Wanted segment aired in millions of homes across America. I, myself, watched that segment, and believed the lie wholeheartedly.

    (I was only 11 at the time; if I’d been older, I might not have been taken in so easily. I was already a news junkie, but was only beginning to get heavily into the true-crime stuff. Keep in mind that, in late 1994, the most famous criminal in America was O.J. Simpson, awaiting trial on two counts of murder. The Smith case was but a mere sideshow next to the Simpson saga.)

    Most reporters treated her with kid gloves right up until the next Thursday, when she confessed.

    Her confession led the national newscasts. It was played as a shocking twist in the case, a bolt out of the blue that no one saw coming. And yet the cops had known for a week that she was lying.

    (I remember how surprised I was. It blew my 11-year-old mind that a mother could lie about killing her children. But I was a sheltered kid.)

    Coakley’s story didn’t even pass the smell test.

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  125. It’s interesting that they submitted this supposedly traumatised victim to a lie detector test. I believe this is standard procedure in many American states when parents report children missing because it so often turns out that they killed them. Feminists would never allow this in the case of rape complaints, but a high percentage of them are false, and it would save the police a lot of wasted time.

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  126. Yes, it would.

    The cops knew that Smith was guilty, but they also knew that if they pushed her too hard, she would kill herself. They feared that the truth would die with her. They fed the media frenzy, hoping that the ever-growing public attention would become too much for her to handle and drive her to confess.

    In the end, the county sheriff coaxed the truth out of her with a lie.

    She told the cops that the black man had stolen her car at a particular intersection, and that there were no other cars around at the time. But, at that intersection, the road that she was on always had the green light unless there were cars on the other road waiting to cross. So, if her car had been the only one there at that time, she would have had no reason to stop – she would have had the green light.

    The local cops explained this situation to the FBI psychological experts. The experts predicted that, if confronted with the information about the traffic light, she would claim that, in her panic, she had become confused and that the car had, in fact, been stolen at the next intersection.

    The sheriff confronted her with the information about the traffic light. She claimed that, in her panic, she had become confused and that the car had, in fact, been stolen at the next intersection.

    The sheriff then told her that some narcotics officers had been working on an undercover sting at that intersection, and that if they had seen any such crime occur, they would have reported it immediately. He said that he knew that she was lying, and that he was going to make a public statement to that effect.

    At that moment, *he* was lying – there were never any officers anywhere near that intersection on the evening in question. But that falsehood was the key that unlocked the case. She immediately broke down in tears.

    She asked the sheriff for a gun with which to kill herself; when he asked her why she wanted to end her life, she said, “My children are not all right.” She asked him to pray with her; he did, saying, “All things will be revealed to us in time.”

    Then she made a full confession.

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  127. If everyone gets fatter, more men have to marry fat women. (And more women have to marry fat men, but they don’t care as much.)

    The Hell we don’t!

  128. It’s possible for a situation to have more than one villain. There’s no doubt that Erdely is the greater villain here, but that does not absolve Jackie. Erdely was looking for a sensational story to illustrate the “pervasive rape culture” which she “knew” existed at American universities, especially among blond, white athletic frat boys (the kind of boys who paid no attention to her when she was at Penn). Jackie could have shut Erdely down at any moment by confessing instead of standing by her tall tale. The Talmud says that at first a lie is as thin as a strand of spider’s silk but in the end it becomes as stout as a ship’s cable.

    Jackie was always very careful not to make any statements to the police that could get her indicted for filing a false police report, but at the very least she is guilty of honor code violations – all U. Va. students must pledge never to lie, cheat or steal, on pain of expulsion.

    The history of the U. Va. honor code is a window into Southern culture of the early 19th century, which was quite violent. It was adopted after a professor who attempted to intervene in a dispute between two students was shot to death. There was also an ongoing problem with cheating on exams . The faculty decided to shift the whole problem onto students (the honor system is student administered). There is no range of penalties – any violation results in expulsion.

  129. Didn’t she go on to have more kids in prison? I seem to remember hearing that. Didn’t show up on WP, though.

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  130. On the other hand, two nights ago in a SF restaurant, I listened to a conversation among liberals about Obama’s executive order on guns. The consensus was that Obama was just doing what “80% of Americans want.”

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  131. Excellent precis of the Jackie saga. But you left out one part: She also used Haven to justify poor grades.

    So it goes like this: (a) Jackie creates Haven to make Ryan jealous (with all the twists you describe), (b) Six months later, Jackie uses Haven to explain her failing grades (and presumably switches majors), (c) Jackie uses Haven to become her talking point in feminist consciousness raising rallies.

    No doubt, at this point, Haven has Angela Merkel wrapped around his finger.

    Kudos to you, Richard Bradley, and Rosenthal for figuring this out. It will not be forgotten.

  132. So sharing my ideas the current state of affairs is a “gripe”? I think I’m going to take another long break from posting comments here.

    I don’t really keep up with personalities, not my thing, but a quick memory check suggests Massimo’s an asshole (I could be wrong Mass, don’t take it personally).

    It seems like something genuinely psychological going on. You can show them article after article in the New York Times, CNN, and every other huge mainstream news source in the world, and they still think of themselves as the underdog. I don’t think they’re faking it.

    Maybe they’re just dumb fucks, or cowards, or lazy. Or some combination of the three.

  133. As always, the Daily Mail has the dirt on her salacious sex life:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441945/Susan-Smith-paid-fellow-inmate-play-guard-enjoy-lesbian-romps-prison-girlfriend.html

    She’s also had “relations” with some of the male guards. But she hasn’t birthed any babies.

    She’ll be eligible for parole on Monday, November 4, 2024 – the day before the presidential election.

  134. Stross is a hardcore SJW, of the SciFi sub-species (they infest SF like cockroaches). He is notable for participating in the public mass-meltdown when SF fans learned that Jonathan Ross was to be the MC at the Science Fiction World Convention (Big, big Seanan McGuire is the prize heifer from that herd of shrieking harpies). After being subject to vulgar abuse on Twitter, Ross declined the MC spot, one that he was willing to do gratis.

    Stross also is notable for insisting that if alr-right types such as Vox Day got nominations for Hugo award (SF literary prizes), it was tantamount to a Nazi takeover of science fiction.

    In other words, not a reliable, or particularly rational observer of events. In fact, an enemy propagandist.

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  135. No surprise there.

    The liberal mindset–and I use the word loosely–is equal parts arrogance and ignorance.

  136. Plus Stross is not that good. I read a couple of his books and he is not fit to hold (Heinlein/Spinrad/Zelazny/Gibson)’s coffee cup.

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  137. “The mother killing her two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick the society is getting and how much we have to change. People want to change and the only way you get change is to vote Republican.” – Newt Gingrich, November 1994

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/08/us/the-1994-campaign-vice-president-rebukes-gingrich-for-citing-murder-case.html

  138. I met the kid who was the chapter president of the fraternity at the time. He was quiet, seemed like a nice kid. He had to take a semester off from school because of the fiasco. I hope rolling stone pays heavily.

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  139. I’ve made a similar point to the handful of people who’ve wanted to put 5 and 4 and 2 and 8 together on this story, which till Sailer got hold of it was “reported” as a disjointed mishmosh of enabling, fantasy, legal panic, and general Journalistic Approach-Avoidance Syndrome.

    Of course this whole issue makes more sense when one realizes that “journalists” are now largely content-poundage providers and “editors” are the lackeys who interface between them and the bean counters who are the pimps for the advertisers.

    IME the “profession” is largely held together in the Northeast metropolis by Tribal schmoozing and antipathies. And Rubin has made an entire career out of inventing such victims as “Jackie” out of her interactions with obviously borderline types.

    This histrionic fabulation has been a liberal/prog/Jewish genre for so long, that I doubt she ever gave a single thought to whether it was ethical to do so, starting at her years at UPenn’s 34th Street, where she worked for Stephen Glass.

    In closing, something tasty: a big creamy dollop of sweet Schadenfreude:

    Reflections on a Shattered Glass
    The adorable little weenie I knew was nothing but a con artist.

    By Sabrina Rubin Erdely | I used to feel almost sorry for Stephen Glass C’94. I don’t anymore.

    http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/0104/0104arts02.html

    Damn. If Sabrina’s bodice heaves any more righteously, she’ll wake up with no aureolae.

  140. This was obviously a deliberate provocation. Was she paid by CNN to create the story?

  141. The local case that was downright Shakespearean in that three principals involved all died.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stuart_(murderer)

  142. Good to see another Spinrad reader on iSteve! I’ve probably bought Little Heroes a half-dozen times, as I never get it back when I “lend” it out.

  143. I still remember reading Bug Jack Baron, Lord of Light, and Stand on Zanzibar in the 70s.

  144. Her tribe has a long history with parables.

  145. I would be interested in reading about how rolling stone affected his life.

    I hope there is a journalist brave enough to tell his story. Seriously.

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