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A reader points out two lawsuit settlement stories in the NYT:

Arizona Settles Cases With Relatives of 19 Who Died Fighting Wildfire
By FERNANDA SANTOS JUNE 29, 2015

PHOENIX — Relatives of some of the 19 firefighters killed in one of the nation’s deadliest wildfires joined state officials here Monday to announce settlements in two legal cases against the Arizona State Forestry Division, the agency responsible for the firefighters on the day they died.

The agreements, disclosed on the eve of the fire’s second anniversary, include more than $600,000 in compensation for the families and an acknowledgment that commanders’ misguided decisions put the elite firefighting crew, the Granite Mountain Hotshots, at great risk. …

In one of the settlements announced Monday, forestry officials agreed to distribute the money among the seven families who were not plaintiffs in a wrongful-death lawsuit: $10,000 for each dependent.

As part of the second settlement, the 12 families who filed the wrongful-death suit will receive $50,000 per family. Their lawyer, Patrick J. McGroder III, said the payouts reflected “the priorities of the families,” who pushed not for money but for “remedial measures and changes to ensure a tragedy like this one never happens again.”

Mrs. Warneke and the wife and mother of Andrew Ashcraft, another of the firefighters, will use the money to establish a foundation to help other fallen firefighters’ families and push for greater training, Mrs. Warneke said.

And:

Pine Bush School District Settles Anti-Semitism Suit for $4.48 Million
By BENJAMIN WEISER JUNE 29, 2015

An upstate New York school district has agreed to pay $4.48 million and enact broad reforms in curriculum and training to settle a lawsuit by five current and former Jewish students who claimed that they had been victims of pervasive anti-Semitism in the schools, a court filing on Monday showed.

The civil rights lawsuit, filed in 2012, had accused officials of the Pine Bush Central School District, which is about 90 minutes north of New York City, of failing for years to take action to protect the Jewish students from anti-Semitic bullying, slurs and other intimidation.

Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?

I looked into this question back in 2013 after reading a dubious sounding article by reporter Weiser in the NYT. It was easy to piece together what was really going on by reading the Jewish Daily Forward and Jewish Week. The community leaders accused of anti-Semitism turn out to be mostly liberal Jews who opposed the machinations of Satmar Hassidic real estate developers from Kiryas Joel to take over their town. Jewish Week reported:

As they explained it, the developers decided to fight growing opposition to the development by claiming residents don’t want Jews moving in. To prove their point, they leaked the suit to the Times as evidence of anti-Semitism in the community.

But Holly Roche, leader of the Rural Community Coalition, which is spearheading community opposition to the project because of its size in a village of 375 residents, said that theory no longer worked after she disclosed she is Jewish.

“Now they are calling me anti-Satmar,” she said. …

“The best defense is a strong offense,” explained a Jewish resident about the developers’ approach, who asked that his name not be used for fear it might complicate his business dealings in the area.

So this appears to be largely a power, money, real estate, tax, and welfare struggle between ultra-orthodox Jews and a local community led in large part by normal American Jews. You might think that the New York Times would instinctively identify with the educated liberal Jews against the smears of the reactionary Jews.

But that underestimates the media’s insatiable longing for allegations of anti-Semitism, no matter how wacky. The hunger for hate is strong these days.

The NYT should not let Benjamin Weiser continue to report on this story.

Here’s a 2013 New Republic article:

Did Hasidic Jews Leak Anti-Semitism Accusations to The New York Times?

Here’s a 2014 Newsweek story on the complex machinations going on in the town, traditionally 24% Jewish, over the Satmar real estate developers plans to take over the political control and turn it into a new ultra-Orthodox colony.

 
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  1. I don’t understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it.

    • Replies: @Seminumerical
    Oh for heaven's sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?
    , @Spotted Toad
    In the first case, thirteen men died, most likely unnecessarily. In the second, five kids were possibly made uncomfortable, though given the political context the whole thing seems suspect. But the settlement in the latter case was eight times the former in aggregate (and eighty times on a per beneficiary level.) This seems a bit nuts, but the media coordination point of the Times puts it forward uncritically, because of the hunger for hate.
    , @Anon
    "I don’t understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.
    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it."

    Jewish feelings matter more than gentile lives.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Irony eludes you.
    , @Daniel H
    >>I don’t understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.
    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it.<<

    This is a site for grown-ups Mike. A certain sense of irony is presumed. Sorry to disappoint you.

    , @Dennis Dale
    I suspect this isn't the only thing to escape your understanding. Is this a language thing? Is the Hasbara effort employing illegal aliens now like the Orthodox did at the gay pride parade, afraid of what the young'ns might see if they come here?
  2. 19 Dead = $600,000 divided among many
    0 Dead, 0 injured, 0 anti-Semitism = $4,480,000 split 5 ways
    The math it burns.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    "Hey, it's not our fault you Goyim keep paying retail."
  3. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?
     

    Then there's this:

    Glenn Ford, age 65. On death row for 30 years before being exonerated in 2014.

    Ford had been the longest-serving death row inmate in the US at the time of his release on March 10, 2014.

    He was found guilty in 1984 in the ‘83 murder of a Shreveport jeweler, but his conviction was vacated after new evidence pointed to a different suspect in the killing.

    After his release, Ford petitioned the state of Louisiana for compensation but was denied.

    He had been diagnosed with lung cancer and died in New Orleans, Louisiana on June 29, 2015.

    Part of the ongoing series - "Life is Not Fair".

  4. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    In the first case, thirteen men died, most likely unnecessarily. In the second, five kids were possibly made uncomfortable, though given the political context the whole thing seems suspect. But the settlement in the latter case was eight times the former in aggregate (and eighty times on a per beneficiary level.) This seems a bit nuts, but the media coordination point of the Times puts it forward uncritically, because of the hunger for hate.

  5. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    “I don’t understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.
    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it.”

    Jewish feelings matter more than gentile lives.

  6. If a Jewish guy fires a Jewish guy, antisemitism.

    If a Jewish guy insults a Jewish guy, antisemitism.

  7. Do you mean all of this is really not about justice?
    Heaven forfend!

  8. These Orthodox jews have taken over majority non-jewish public schools and send the tax money to their private jewish-only schools, really the worst kind of people.

    Jews know each other, Liberal jews hate the Orthodox and know their Modus Operandi, there is a letter from Emperor Claudius to the Alexandrians in the first century AD, Alexandria was the biggest city in the Roman Empire after Rome itself, it had a huge and powerful jewish population like NYC today, in the letter Claudius speak against the jews trying to take over Greek institutions like the Gymnasia, jews are a privileged class in the Roman Empire but they never stopped agitating for more privilegies, the main reason for Roman-Jewish Wars of the late first century and early second century AD.

    • Replies: @David
    Some of those factious Jews were likely Christians. The relevant part of Claudius's letter:

    With regard to the question which of the two sides was responsible for the rioting and civil strife—or rather, if the truth must be told, the war—against the Jews, I am not disposed to pass definite judgment, although your ambassadors, especially Dionysius the son of Theon, pleaded your cause zealously and at length against the other side. But I do reserve irrevocable anger against those who started it again. Now I tell you plainly that if you do not desist from this destructive and obstinate animosity against one another, I shall be compelled to show what a benevolent ruler is capable of when he is moved to righteous anger. Therefore I adjure you now once more that the Alexandrines for their part conduct themselves in a considerate and neighbourly manner towards the Jews who have lived in the same city for a long time, and offer them no outrage in the practice of their customary divine worship but allow them to follow their customs as they did in the time of the deified Augustus—customs which I too have confirmed after listening to both parties. The Jews, on the other hand, I bid for their part not to agitate for more than they have previously enjoyed, and never again to send two embassies, as though they lived in two separate cities—the like of which has never happened before. Moreover, they must not engage in contests for such posts as gymnasiarch or games director, but should rest content with what belongs to them by right and enjoy an abundance of all good things in a city which is not theirs. They must not bring in or invite Jews who sail in from Syria or Egypt; this is the sort of thing which will compel me to have my suspicions redoubled. Otherwise I will proceed against them with the utmost severity for fomenting a general plague which infests the whole world. If on both sides you are willing to desist from this behaviour and live in mutual consideration and neighbourliness, I for my part will show that long-standing friendly interest in your city with which my family has had close relations since my ancestors’ days.
     
  9. Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    I think both lawsuits are frivolous.

    If a person is a firefighter and dies on duty fighting a fire, then the compensation should be determined by the institution’s normal policy.

    If a soldier dies in a friendly-fire mistake, then his family does not get to sue the US Army for extra compensation. The family gets only the standard insurance benefit.

    Professionals get killed while fighting fires or wars — often because of mistakes. These deaths are tragic, but they are normal conditions of such professions. The courts should not involve themselves in such cases. The institutions themselves should determine the compensation policies.

    If you sign up to be a firefighter, then you might die horribly, because of someone’s mistake, while fighting a fire. The insurance will pay your family X dollars. That’s the deal. Take it or leave it.

    Recognizing and correcting problems that cause casualties should be left to the professionals in the organization. We don’t need courts telling firefighters and soldiers how to do their jobs.

    And, of course, the anti-semitism lawsuit was frivolous. I don’t need to explain my opinion about that here.

    From my perspective, both lawsuits are frivolous, but for different reasons.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    I guess we want you, nay; NEED you on that wall Colonel.
  10. This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.

  11. Arizona is 57% white, 30% latino.
    It appears the firefighters were 100% white, and 100% male. Worse than silicon valley. Why no “too white and male” articles and disparate impact lawsuits?

  12. Reminds me of the 9/11 settlement. The military’s death benefit at the time was something like $10,000, but the heirs of those who died in the Towers got millions.

    Another example is the money the government has managed to collect for Bernie Madoff’s mostly Jewish victims. It has extracted or is attempting to extract billions from banks by claiming that they had to know about Madoff’s shenanigans. Does the government ever force banks to pay up for the gentile victims of gentile financial fraud? Not that I’ve ever heard of.

    • Replies: @Zippy
    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn't Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?
  13. From the Onion: only 47,000 more social justice milestones to go.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/report-only-47000-social-justice-milestones-go-us–50767

    A boot … human face … forever.

  14. Top 25 Workplace Harassment, Bias Settlements
    October 16, 2012
    According to the web site, the top 25 largest workplace harassment/discrimination lawsuit settlements and judgments [***]from the past 12 months[***] are:

    Mercy General Hospital (Sacramento, CA) will pay $168 million in a sexual harassment lawsuit judgment.
    ArcelorMittal (Buffalo, NY) will pay $25 million in a race discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Dr Pepper Snapple Group (Chicago, IL) will pay $18.3 million in an age discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    YRC/Yellow Transportation (Chicago Ridge, IL) will pay $11 million to settle an EEOC race harassment and discrimination lawsuit.
    Tesoro Refining and Marketing Company (Los Angeles, CA) will pay $8.5 million in a disability discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Cook County (Chicago, IL) will pay $7.6 million in a race discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Lennox Industries (Richardson, TX) will pay $6.2 million to settle an age discrimination lawsuit.
    Aaron’s Inc. (Fairview Heights, IL) will pay $6 million to settle a sexual harassment lawsuit.
    Sears (Sacramento, CA) will pay $5.2 million in a race discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    AT&T (Kansas City, MO) will pay $5 million in a religious discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Chrysler (Belvidere, IL) will pay $3.8 million in a race and religious discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Passaic County (Passaic County, NJ) will pay $3.7 million in an age discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    D.C. Department of Parks and Recreation (Washington, DC) will pay $3.5 million in a sexual harassment lawsuit judgment.
    Rite Aid (Los Angeles, CA) will pay $3.5 million in a disability discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Pepsi (Minneapolis, MN) will pay $3.13 million to settle an EEOC race discrimination lawsuit.
    CSX Transportation (Danville, WV) will pay $2.6 million in a sexual harassment lawsuit judgment.
    Qwest Communications (San Francisco, CA) will pay $2.3 million in a sexual harassment lawsuit judgment.
    Fry’s Electronics (Seattle, WA) will pay $2.3 million to settle a sexual harassment lawsuit.
    Hoffmann-La Roche (Las Vegas) will pay $1.9 million in an age discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Wisconsin Department of Veterans Affairs (Union Grove, WI) will pay $1.8 million in a retaliation lawsuit judgment.
    Mary Ann’s Mexican Restaurant (New York, NY) will pay $1.6 million in a sexual orientation and religious discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Clallam County (Seattle, WA) will pay $1.6 million to settle an age discrimination lawsuit.
    City of Burbank (Burbank, CA) will pay $1.3 million in a retaliation lawsuit judgment.
    Henry’s Turkey Service (Goldthwaite, TX) will pay $1.3 million to compensate former employees in a disability discrimination lawsuit judgment.
    Ferguson Enterprises (Detroit, MI) will pay $1.2 million in a sexual harassment lawsuit judgment.

  15. Noted anti-semite Superintendent Steinberg described the lawsuit as a “money grab.” Whoop, whoop, trigger alert.

    Was wondering if the $4.4 million would crush the district, but I see they have a budget of almost $100 million (6,200 students). We sure can spend money on education here in NY.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You know, this could be a good cause for Barack Obama to pursue. He should spend the remainder of his presidency trying to root out the pervasive anti-semitism in the American public school system. This would obviously be a massive undertaking (most likely it'd take at least several more decades to fully address the anti-semitism issue), but I feel like Obama has the moral authority to handle this issue. He should definitely go for it.

    He should do monthly progress reports with Alan Dershowitz.

    By the way, Whiskey, what's your view on this issue? As a Scots-Irishman, we value your perspective.
  16. Complain all you want about the ultra-Orthodox Jews but they’re one of only 3 groups of Whites in the world having huge amounts of kids (the others being polygamous Mormons and ‘quiverful’ Christians).

    Given the huge complaints people here make about lots of money going to high-breeding low IQ non-Whites you’d think people here might be at least neutral. Oh well.

    Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites? http://www.unz.com/pfrost/young-male-and-single/

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.
    , @neutral
    Problem is that they are not entirely white.
    , @Ragno
    "Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites?"

    Yes. It will stimulate further breeding.
  17. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @anony-mouse
    Complain all you want about the ultra-Orthodox Jews but they're one of only 3 groups of Whites in the world having huge amounts of kids (the others being polygamous Mormons and 'quiverful' Christians).

    Given the huge complaints people here make about lots of money going to high-breeding low IQ non-Whites you'd think people here might be at least neutral. Oh well.

    Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites? http://www.unz.com/pfrost/young-male-and-single/

    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters’ settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn’t stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don’t, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve’s love for “normal American Jews” depends on context. “Normal American Jews” are also — in his world — at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it’s worth a try.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    "“Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores"


    There's one born every minute.
    , @Danindc
    Can you back up that first paragraph with some evidence?
    , @Big Bill
    Nice try, guys.

    By some reasonable (dissident haredi Jewish) estimates, 80% of NY/NJ black hat Jews are on welfare. How else could it be when the black hat ne plus ultra lifestyle is to hang out with the guys all day in the local kollel [adult Jewish guy religious school], while banging out a house full of kids and sending the wife off to work to make a few bucks for the family.

    Make regular trips to the Failed Messiah website and find out what is really going on with the welfare scams, kidnappings and beatings, bought-off NYC politicians cops and prosecutors, and child molestation cover ups.

    Failed Messiah is a website by and for assimilated Jews who know the black hat community intimately, and how anti-liberal it is.

    If their lifestyle is "super affordable" and worthy of emulation, so is the lifestyle of the ghetto baby daddy with ten kids, and for the same reasons: other people's money. Plus unremitting religious, cultural, social, and racial segregation.
    , @peterike
    “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals.

    Is that what they were doing in Weimar Germany too? And does it explain their fervent pro-immigrationism in Europe today?
    , @Pat Casey
    Oh you have to drill down into the specifics? Wow thats some analysis I guess. Wait what? Yeah you drill down into the specifics of torts and you see how common sense ceases to exist. And Oh Steve Jewbates now? Or do Jews bate by no brooking bad coverage? Jebus? I thought he was still toeing the line on gay-bating. Why don't you not throw that out there in an otherwise calm manner so that new readers don't think Steve is an idiot anti-semite. Like me for instance.

    If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people.

    When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores? Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?
    , @ben tillman

    "Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals.
     
    What an odd phenomenon that both groups end up supporting an ideology that is good for the Jews and bad for the Yankee Protestants!

    And you say the Protestants came up with the idea? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?
  18. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:

    Sorry for going O/T, but seeing as how Steve’s beat is WWT/WWG, comedy, British men taking over US pop culture, I wish he would take on the most perfect & outrageous case of intersectionality of all the previous categories: Jon Oliver:

    http://jezebel.com/john-oliver-explains-why-transgender-rights-have-a-ways-1714628245

    This guy is truly a screaming example of utterly predictable corporate comedy. He’s way worse than Bob Hope in that regard. Occasionally Jon Stewart goes off the rez, but this guy can be counted on to stroke the collective woody of all that is prog & good. At least Stewart is American. But what excuse do we have to importing a Brit to be a corporate American prog comedian? It’s not as if Americans won’t do that job.

  19. @Wilkey
    Reminds me of the 9/11 settlement. The military's death benefit at the time was something like $10,000, but the heirs of those who died in the Towers got millions.

    Another example is the money the government has managed to collect for Bernie Madoff's mostly Jewish victims. It has extracted or is attempting to extract billions from banks by claiming that they had to know about Madoff's shenanigans. Does the government ever force banks to pay up for the gentile victims of gentile financial fraud? Not that I've ever heard of.

    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn’t Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?

    • Replies: @Pat Gilligan

    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

     

    Aaaaay, the Ponz, aka Charles Ponzi, aka Carlo Pietro Giovanni Guglielmo Tebaldo Ponzi.

    $20 million in 1920!

    , @Whiskey
    Asked, and answered. Raj Rajnaratum, of Galleon Fame. His entire insider trading ring included Anil Kumar and Rajat Gupta of McKinsey. There's also Fabulous Fab, Fabrice Tourre, the Black guy at some British trading firm (a relative of some African dictator), about a zillion Chinese sharp guys selling junk on the financial markets (non existent shell companies), and the IIRC, White WASP guy making London Whale trades at JP Morgan. There is also the LIBOR and Gold Fixing scandals, resulting in prosecutions. Anju Jain of Deutschbank is probably looking at charges there.

    Financial Fraud seems to come in three flavors: rogue traders encouraged to take more risks exploiting weak controls to make back losses and getting in ever deeper: Toure being a good example. The others, ethno rings exploiting insider info, laws are made for dopes etc; and cartels of cozy traders who move about each others firms like LIBOR and the Gold Fix cartels.
    , @FactsAreImportant
    Also, Yasuo Hamanaka of Sumitoma. Massive rogue trading in copper.
    , @Wilkey
    I've been one or two degrees of separation from some fraudsters, include a guy who scammed some people for 8 or 9 digits worth. None of them were Jews. Trust me, there's a crapload of people out there trying to rip you off.
  20. @Chiron
    These Orthodox jews have taken over majority non-jewish public schools and send the tax money to their private jewish-only schools, really the worst kind of people.

    Jews know each other, Liberal jews hate the Orthodox and know their Modus Operandi, there is a letter from Emperor Claudius to the Alexandrians in the first century AD, Alexandria was the biggest city in the Roman Empire after Rome itself, it had a huge and powerful jewish population like NYC today, in the letter Claudius speak against the jews trying to take over Greek institutions like the Gymnasia, jews are a privileged class in the Roman Empire but they never stopped agitating for more privilegies, the main reason for Roman-Jewish Wars of the late first century and early second century AD.

    Some of those factious Jews were likely Christians. The relevant part of Claudius’s letter:

    With regard to the question which of the two sides was responsible for the rioting and civil strife—or rather, if the truth must be told, the war—against the Jews, I am not disposed to pass definite judgment, although your ambassadors, especially Dionysius the son of Theon, pleaded your cause zealously and at length against the other side. But I do reserve irrevocable anger against those who started it again. Now I tell you plainly that if you do not desist from this destructive and obstinate animosity against one another, I shall be compelled to show what a benevolent ruler is capable of when he is moved to righteous anger. Therefore I adjure you now once more that the Alexandrines for their part conduct themselves in a considerate and neighbourly manner towards the Jews who have lived in the same city for a long time, and offer them no outrage in the practice of their customary divine worship but allow them to follow their customs as they did in the time of the deified Augustus—customs which I too have confirmed after listening to both parties. The Jews, on the other hand, I bid for their part not to agitate for more than they have previously enjoyed, and never again to send two embassies, as though they lived in two separate cities—the like of which has never happened before. Moreover, they must not engage in contests for such posts as gymnasiarch or games director, but should rest content with what belongs to them by right and enjoy an abundance of all good things in a city which is not theirs. They must not bring in or invite Jews who sail in from Syria or Egypt; this is the sort of thing which will compel me to have my suspicions redoubled. Otherwise I will proceed against them with the utmost severity for fomenting a general plague which infests the whole world. If on both sides you are willing to desist from this behaviour and live in mutual consideration and neighbourliness, I for my part will show that long-standing friendly interest in your city with which my family has had close relations since my ancestors’ days.

  21. This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.

    After reading hundreds of comments here about things that happened in Seinfeld episodes, I’ve finally read a comment that made me want to watch one. It only took 10 years.

    I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Jews are like blacks; no agency, and nothing (bad) is ever their fault.

    w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    It’s obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    It’s obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.
     
    Love it.

    Not only deliciously witty but serves as a warning to anyone thinking there will be an end to the victimology game any time soon.
    , @WhatEvvs
    "“Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past"

    You misquoted by leaving out the first part of the sentence, thus proving that you are a liar and not worth engaging with. The point of my entire quote was that Jews are surviving quite nicely. The Orthodox.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't think you'd like Seinfeld. Most of the jokes would go over your head. You need at least an IQ of 115 to get them.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    It might only take the first episode of the first season of Curb Your Enthusiasm to satiate your thirst for mockery at the expense of a Jewish character.
  22. If Jews were even halfway to out-progging actual white progs, they’d have shut down Israel as a Jewish state in the 80s or 90s. Or at least turned it into a real pariah state, like SA was.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    If Jews were even halfway to out-progging actual white progs, they’d have shut down Israel as a Jewish state in the 80s or 90s. Or at least turned it into a real pariah state, like SA was.
     
    Or made gay marriage legal in Israel.
  23. “The NYT should not let Benjamin Weiser continue to report on this story”

    Trying to think who the NYT should give the story to. Someone who wouldn’t have a direct horse in the race, so to speak.

    Kinda difficult, actually. It is the NYT.

  24. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:

    Note that the appellation “gay marriage” is suddenly the preferred usage again. I thought it was “same sex marriage.”

    http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-time-to-end-tax-exemptions-for-religious-institutions/

    Written by a Tablet writer.

    And many churches and synagogues sit on exceedingly valuable tracts of land (walk up and down Fifth Avenue to see what I mean). The property taxes they aren’t paying have to be drawn from business owners and private citizens — in a real sense, you and I are subsidizing Mormon temples, Muslims mosques, Methodist churches.

    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list….

    IMO this won’t happen because it would have the effect of destroying most black churches. But frankly, his logic is rather compelling. In the past we could agree on what a religion was. We don’t now, so we’re subsidizing ever weirder cults. This is the next bend in the river, not polygamy.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    Considering that income and property taxes are tyrannical, I don't see how not paying them could be considered a "subsidy." Anyone making that argument has already decided that income and property taxes are Right and Good, and is therefore a communist.
    , @GW
    Also love how he thinks someone not paying taxes is being subsidized. As if it's the taxpayer who pays for the church's water, electricity, heating, and energy bills. Or as if the taxpayer is who pays for the minister's salary or the missions trips to Belize or the church picnic. When real subsidizations occur--either for Solyndra or single black mothers--the taxpayer is suddenly irrelevant.

    Most intelligent people are able to distinguish between non-profit and for-profit organizations, although I don't find it unreasonable that there should be debate about how they're taxed. For one, property taxes don't seem to be compatible with a society which values private ownership. Of course if the Marxists were concerned with fairness they'd be just as likely to argue for cutting taxes on for-profit businesses than for raising taxes on churches. But they're not.
    , @Harry

    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list….
     
    Oh please. Would you ruin a perfectly good alliteration just to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism?

    (On second thought... as it becomes increasingly unpredictable where and why the SJW shitstorm show will strike next, knowing how to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism could become a crucial survival skill any minute now...)
    , @Ivy
    Case Study: You have assets, and we want them.

    There may be some valuable Fifth Avenue real estate possibly coming up for grabs with any elimination of the tax exemption. Strapped congregations would then face large tax bills, and could go to their friends on Wall Street to seek financing. Of course, that would unfold like so many other predatory lender scenarios, ending with too many lawyers and messy foreclosures. Nonetheless, it only makes sense to some in-the-know to make a play for the manifestly wasting assets like they did previously for a lot of valuable department store property.

    Now force the sale of those houses of worship (while patiently waiting for that name to be challenged in the next phase of WWR). At the Federal level, Senator Feinstein could help, since she facilitated the, ahem, liquidation of all those "excess post offices", to the group that included her hubby, Mr. Former CBRE Operative.

    Screenplay Idea: Maybe the faith aspect can be portrayed as religious asset stripping to write another chapter in the American morality play.
  25. @Zippy
    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn't Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?

    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    Aaaaay, the Ponz, aka Charles Ponzi, aka Carlo Pietro Giovanni Guglielmo Tebaldo Ponzi.

    $20 million in 1920!

  26. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    ““Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores”

    There’s one born every minute.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    A sucker you mean?

    Where to "normal American Jews" get their low birthrate and high outmarriage rate from? The old religion? You tell me.
    , @WhatEvvs
    I'm really 1) honored to have one of my comments responded to by the Great & Terrible Gregory Cochran and 2) serious about wanting to learn from the August One.

    What about the modern liberal religion of "normal American Jews" is derived from traditional Jewish religious practices and customs? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm honestly open to learning from you. I think the behavior of "normal American Jews" is bizarre and unsustainable but virtually all of it is derived from liberal progressive Protestantism. It's Christianity without Christ, i.e., Unitarian Universalism.

    But obviously, I'm a sucker, and I'm missing a lot. So tell me, what?
  27. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    Can you back up that first paragraph with some evidence?

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Two different states, two different sets of laws, one case had to do with public employees whose jobs are inherently dangerous. Try harder.
  28. http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war?utm

    All because Russia won’t allow homo pride parades.

    But then, homos have the backing of the people who think Wasp country clubs are like the Holocaust.

  29. @WhatEvvs
    Note that the appellation "gay marriage" is suddenly the preferred usage again. I thought it was "same sex marriage."

    http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-time-to-end-tax-exemptions-for-religious-institutions/

    Written by a Tablet writer.

    And many churches and synagogues sit on exceedingly valuable tracts of land (walk up and down Fifth Avenue to see what I mean). The property taxes they aren’t paying have to be drawn from business owners and private citizens — in a real sense, you and I are subsidizing Mormon temples, Muslims mosques, Methodist churches.
     
    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list....

    IMO this won't happen because it would have the effect of destroying most black churches. But frankly, his logic is rather compelling. In the past we could agree on what a religion was. We don't now, so we're subsidizing ever weirder cults. This is the next bend in the river, not polygamy.

    Considering that income and property taxes are tyrannical, I don’t see how not paying them could be considered a “subsidy.” Anyone making that argument has already decided that income and property taxes are Right and Good, and is therefore a communist.

  30. GW says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Note that the appellation "gay marriage" is suddenly the preferred usage again. I thought it was "same sex marriage."

    http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-time-to-end-tax-exemptions-for-religious-institutions/

    Written by a Tablet writer.

    And many churches and synagogues sit on exceedingly valuable tracts of land (walk up and down Fifth Avenue to see what I mean). The property taxes they aren’t paying have to be drawn from business owners and private citizens — in a real sense, you and I are subsidizing Mormon temples, Muslims mosques, Methodist churches.
     
    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list....

    IMO this won't happen because it would have the effect of destroying most black churches. But frankly, his logic is rather compelling. In the past we could agree on what a religion was. We don't now, so we're subsidizing ever weirder cults. This is the next bend in the river, not polygamy.

    Also love how he thinks someone not paying taxes is being subsidized. As if it’s the taxpayer who pays for the church’s water, electricity, heating, and energy bills. Or as if the taxpayer is who pays for the minister’s salary or the missions trips to Belize or the church picnic. When real subsidizations occur–either for Solyndra or single black mothers–the taxpayer is suddenly irrelevant.

    Most intelligent people are able to distinguish between non-profit and for-profit organizations, although I don’t find it unreasonable that there should be debate about how they’re taxed. For one, property taxes don’t seem to be compatible with a society which values private ownership. Of course if the Marxists were concerned with fairness they’d be just as likely to argue for cutting taxes on for-profit businesses than for raising taxes on churches. But they’re not.

  31. @Svigor
    If Jews were even halfway to out-progging actual white progs, they'd have shut down Israel as a Jewish state in the 80s or 90s. Or at least turned it into a real pariah state, like SA was.

    If Jews were even halfway to out-progging actual white progs, they’d have shut down Israel as a Jewish state in the 80s or 90s. Or at least turned it into a real pariah state, like SA was.

    Or made gay marriage legal in Israel.

  32. Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?

    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.

    That doesn’t sound like stuff Jewish kids (even “normal” ones, as you call them) do. “Banjo-picking rednecks”? I don’t know, but I do remember “nice” middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you’ve got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it’s not like he denies that there’s a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:

    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”

    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn’t have been Satmarers, as they don’t send their kids to the public schools. (As I’ve said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    • Replies: @GW
    Come on. The point is that no matter how bad the poor Jewish kids had it they were basically insulted, whereas the families of the white Gentile firefighters lost fathers, brothers, and sons. By all means fire the principal and superintendent and bus drivers and teachers who allowed this to happen--but suing for millions for being insulted? I don't know that just seems so hilariously stereotypical. Oy vey.
    , @iSteveFan
    From 2009, some Jewish American kids in Israel were caught on camera saying "white power, f**k the n***ers", among other things. The video was on youtube, but has since been removed. I don't think they were knuckledraggers. They were just caught up in the moment, probably like that frat at OU. Anyway, the point of this is to not slam the Jews, but to point out that they can be capable of obnoxious behavior too.
    , @5371
    [it couldn’t have been Satmarers, as they don’t send their kids to the public schools]

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.
    , @iffen

    At the same time, you’ve got me wrong if you think I’m here to sling accusations and whine about antisemitism
     

    I don’t know, but I do remember “nice” middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.
     
    , @Anonymous

    (As I’ve said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)
     
    Sailer's only gentile by adoption.
    , @vinteuil
    Look, IJ, I usually like & agree with your comments, but, this time around, you really need to exercise a little more critical judgment.

    "The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading 'white power' chants and making Nazi salutes."

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe - 'cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, 'cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?

    That's about as plausible as Jackie Coakley's rape fantasies.
    , @HHSIII
    I lived in my mid twenties with a group of guys in an old building on 8th Avenue near 29th Street in the early '90s in an old SRO with no C of O we rented from a Greek Association from Astoria. We converted it to 3 2 bedroom apartments, a full floor each. Rent was $800 a floor.

    Anyway, a lot of our furniture was just stuff we found in the street. One was an old grade school desk chair. It had a swastika and a peace sign carved in it, and paint splatters, etc. We always called it Nazi Peace Chair. Jewish guests didn't seem to mind.
  33. GW says:
    @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    Come on. The point is that no matter how bad the poor Jewish kids had it they were basically insulted, whereas the families of the white Gentile firefighters lost fathers, brothers, and sons. By all means fire the principal and superintendent and bus drivers and teachers who allowed this to happen–but suing for millions for being insulted? I don’t know that just seems so hilariously stereotypical. Oy vey.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Harrassment is, for better or worse, a very big deal now in the view of American courts and they hand out multimillion-dollar settlements all the time:
    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/16/266775.htm

    Any reason you're incensed about this one in particular?
  34. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    From 2009, some Jewish American kids in Israel were caught on camera saying “white power, f**k the n***ers”, among other things. The video was on youtube, but has since been removed. I don’t think they were knuckledraggers. They were just caught up in the moment, probably like that frat at OU. Anyway, the point of this is to not slam the Jews, but to point out that they can be capable of obnoxious behavior too.

  35. anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks

    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It’s bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    RElated, Drudge has a Flag Burning event on the Fourth by a "Disarm the Police," Blacklivesmatter group; and various Dems are pushing both "gay reparations" and the Black variety to gin up their voters for both the primaries and General Elections.

    My guess is Bernie Sanders gets all over that to create a well of support among Blacks where he does poorly, being a White radical, over Hillary! Gay Reparations of course is a big deal among Whites, who love love love the idea in Portlandia, where Dem White voters live, and hate hate hate it Sons of Anarchy land where non-Dem voters live. Only if Hillary! comes out as "Gay Now!" can she have a chance against that.

    Related, I love Donald Trump all the more. All the worst people: NBC, Univision, etc. hate him.
    , @J1234

    "....anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks...."
     

    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It’s bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.
     
    Besides, the banjo should be emblematic of a much cherished "diversity", as it was invented/developed by slaves and adapted by poor southern whites, despite it's African origins. Instead, the left identifies it as one of many alleged symbols of black inferiority or white hatred.

    Funny how the banjo never ends up on any lists of "Great Black Inventions," despite it's enormous influence and popularity during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    , @Mike Zwick
    Yeah, sort of like this redneck: https://travsd.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/why-george-segal-plays-the-banjo/
  36. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    [it couldn’t have been Satmarers, as they don’t send their kids to the public schools]

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.
     
    Without attending the public schools, how could Satmarers draw swastikas on desks, do stupid Nazi stuff on the bus, harrass other kids in school?

    The bus was a particularly difficult place for Jewish students. On April 19, 2010, T.E., then in sixth grade, told her mother that students on her bus had made Nazi salutes and discussed how to celebrate the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday, which was the next day.
     
  37. @CK
    19 Dead = $600,000 divided among many
    0 Dead, 0 injured, 0 anti-Semitism = $4,480,000 split 5 ways
    The math it burns.

    “Hey, it’s not our fault you Goyim keep paying retail.”

  38. LL says:

    O/T possible new trans hoax:

    http://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2015/6/29/donor-says-girl-scouts-can-t-use-100k-gift-for-transgender-girls

    100k donor stipulates that gift can’t be used for transgender girls, and will they “please return the money.” Girl scout troop returns huge gift, *without shaming the donor,* and starts a hugely successful crowdfunding campaign that surpasses “original donation.” I’m thinking it’s a hoax. Why wouldn’t they shame the donor, if he exists?

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    My Spidey senses were tingling when I read that headline.

    It probably went more like: "We'll give you 100k but you have to say some bigot gave you 100k first".
  39. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    At the same time, you’ve got me wrong if you think I’m here to sling accusations and whine about antisemitism

    I don’t know, but I do remember “nice” middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

  40. “This American Life” devoted the Sept. 14, 2014 show to the Hasidim-Secular conflict over school budgets and school board elections in Spring Valley, NY. That’s about an hour south of Pine Bush, NY — different community, but many similar themes. It’s a good listen.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Yes--that was a fascinating episode of "This American Life." It showed the utter contempt in which the Hasidim hold those outside their community and their ruthlessness in acting solely in their own interest and with disregard for everyone else's. I was surprised it was aired on public radio.

    Here is the transcript:
    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/534/transcript
    , @Big Bill
    Be sure to go to Failed Messiah, too. It is ground zero for the secular v. Haredi wars (which are just the latest battle in the 200 year old Jewish civil war called the "Haskala"). NPR, like most liberal mouthpieces, tries to paper over the Jew v. Jew struggles. Failed Messiah has been following the Rockland County school wars as well as haredi attempts to take over the school districts, towns and villages for several years now.
  41. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    Nice try, guys.

    By some reasonable (dissident haredi Jewish) estimates, 80% of NY/NJ black hat Jews are on welfare. How else could it be when the black hat ne plus ultra lifestyle is to hang out with the guys all day in the local kollel [adult Jewish guy religious school], while banging out a house full of kids and sending the wife off to work to make a few bucks for the family.

    Make regular trips to the Failed Messiah website and find out what is really going on with the welfare scams, kidnappings and beatings, bought-off NYC politicians cops and prosecutors, and child molestation cover ups.

    Failed Messiah is a website by and for assimilated Jews who know the black hat community intimately, and how anti-liberal it is.

    If their lifestyle is “super affordable” and worthy of emulation, so is the lifestyle of the ghetto baby daddy with ten kids, and for the same reasons: other people’s money. Plus unremitting religious, cultural, social, and racial segregation.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Guys? No, there's only one of us here, and I don't even belong to a synagogue.

    Absolutely, the ultra-Orthodox use the welfare system (here and in Israel) to support their enormous families. But if you think that that is the only reason for their extreme reproductive success, I doubt that anything I can say will convince you otherwise.

    But I'll try, just once to explain the process.

    Judaism is a conservative West Asian religion that reveres fertility, categorically forbids homosexuality, and which facilitates the formation of families to perpetuate itself. Duh. When Jews assimilate, their world cracks up and they become infected with the liberal attitudes of the dominant society. Being a small group, the memes go viral much more readily than in a large population, so they become a breeding ground for insanity. Then anti-Semites like Svigor, too stupid and twisted with hate to see where the idea originate, blame Jews for their dissemination.

    Now I will go on to more profitable pursuits, such as manipulating Wall Street and making dirty movies that corrupt pure Christian morality. And selling food that makes Christians obese.
  42. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    Irony eludes you.

  43. @Zippy
    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn't Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?

    Asked, and answered. Raj Rajnaratum, of Galleon Fame. His entire insider trading ring included Anil Kumar and Rajat Gupta of McKinsey. There’s also Fabulous Fab, Fabrice Tourre, the Black guy at some British trading firm (a relative of some African dictator), about a zillion Chinese sharp guys selling junk on the financial markets (non existent shell companies), and the IIRC, White WASP guy making London Whale trades at JP Morgan. There is also the LIBOR and Gold Fixing scandals, resulting in prosecutions. Anju Jain of Deutschbank is probably looking at charges there.

    Financial Fraud seems to come in three flavors: rogue traders encouraged to take more risks exploiting weak controls to make back losses and getting in ever deeper: Toure being a good example. The others, ethno rings exploiting insider info, laws are made for dopes etc; and cartels of cozy traders who move about each others firms like LIBOR and the Gold Fix cartels.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Anil Kumar should sue the parents who named him.
  44. @5371
    [it couldn’t have been Satmarers, as they don’t send their kids to the public schools]

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.

    Without attending the public schools, how could Satmarers draw swastikas on desks, do stupid Nazi stuff on the bus, harrass other kids in school?

    The bus was a particularly difficult place for Jewish students. On April 19, 2010, T.E., then in sixth grade, told her mother that students on her bus had made Nazi salutes and discussed how to celebrate the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday, which was the next day.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    Hitler's birthday is 4/20, national pot smoking day. In any American school, weed is the central concern and the Hitler stuff is a joke that goes along with it. It's a way for good progressives to poke fun at Hitler. I can't take this article seriously.
  45. @iffen

    anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks
     
    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It's bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.

    RElated, Drudge has a Flag Burning event on the Fourth by a “Disarm the Police,” Blacklivesmatter group; and various Dems are pushing both “gay reparations” and the Black variety to gin up their voters for both the primaries and General Elections.

    My guess is Bernie Sanders gets all over that to create a well of support among Blacks where he does poorly, being a White radical, over Hillary! Gay Reparations of course is a big deal among Whites, who love love love the idea in Portlandia, where Dem White voters live, and hate hate hate it Sons of Anarchy land where non-Dem voters live. Only if Hillary! comes out as “Gay Now!” can she have a chance against that.

    Related, I love Donald Trump all the more. All the worst people: NBC, Univision, etc. hate him.

  46. @Svigor

    This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.
     
    After reading hundreds of comments here about things that happened in Seinfeld episodes, I've finally read a comment that made me want to watch one. It only took 10 years.

    I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    Jews are like blacks; no agency, and nothing (bad) is ever their fault.

    w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    It's obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    It’s obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    Love it.

    Not only deliciously witty but serves as a warning to anyone thinking there will be an end to the victimology game any time soon.

  47. OT:

    Another article made just for iSteve:

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/carlos-slim-scraps-project-donald-trump-mexico-insults-003030490–finance.html

    Such a shock that Slim attacks Trump because of what he said about Mexican immigrants. He must just be patriotic with no financial interests whatsoever.

  48. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @gcochran
    "“Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores"


    There's one born every minute.

    A sucker you mean?

    Where to “normal American Jews” get their low birthrate and high outmarriage rate from? The old religion? You tell me.

  49. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Danindc
    Can you back up that first paragraph with some evidence?

    Two different states, two different sets of laws, one case had to do with public employees whose jobs are inherently dangerous. Try harder.

  50. At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”

    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named “Tyler Kyles”.

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents’ harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn’t take the school to court.

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Let's get real here. $4.48 MM for 5 kids comes out to about $900 K per, after the contingency each kid will get as much if not more than the entire settlement for the families of 19 firefighters who died in that incident (and whether that's just or not there's a simple deep pockets issue of raising those children.) Anyone who wants to defend that kind of disparate compensation is just not going to win.

    Kids of all colors and flavors get harassed, teased, mocked, called names, pushed, shoved, etc. in high school. Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    this doesn't seem believable to me. Do kids even know enough history to know about swastikas or Nazis? Who has the slightest idea when Hitler's birthday was?

    Back in the 70's I knew some of the weirdest pseudo-racist kids you can imagine and they never did anything like what is described here. I admit I'm pretty far from suburban NY but I smell some fakery going on.
    , @JH73
    No one is denying that there isn't antisemitism, but if a school district is fiscally responsible for every low IQ student, then were are in a lot of trouble. Also the fact that there were disputes over property development in the district makes the case highly suspicious.
    , @Anonymous
    "What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews."

    "Raw animus", or simply critical/negative opinions? I can make critical comments about western civilization/English people/my own family/myself without feeling anything approaching hate towards any of them.

    Maybe you (plural) should acknowledge the fact that criticism =/= hate. Is there no merit to any of the non-complimentary comments posted on this thread?
    , @jsm

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.
     
    Here's what I think is incongruous:
    The same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny that the fact of a dude's Jewishness has anything to do with anything, when somebody Jewish does something that fulfills negative stereotypes about Jews, like, say, Jew Bernie Madoff cheating his investors out of billions of dollars-

    those folks come here anytime we notice somebody (who happens to be Jewish) doing something untoward, THEN we get accused of "raw animus against Jews."

    Gee, I wish *I* got to have it both ways when MY people get criticized, like you Jewish guys do.
  51. @iffen

    anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks
     
    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It's bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.

    “….anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks….”

    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It’s bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.

    Besides, the banjo should be emblematic of a much cherished “diversity”, as it was invented/developed by slaves and adapted by poor southern whites, despite it’s African origins. Instead, the left identifies it as one of many alleged symbols of black inferiority or white hatred.

    Funny how the banjo never ends up on any lists of “Great Black Inventions,” despite it’s enormous influence and popularity during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Thanks, I had no idea.

    I noticed that I was in error and the Jebster was leaning forward and not leaning in. I am not sure if this is better or worse.
  52. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @gcochran
    "“Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores"


    There's one born every minute.

    I’m really 1) honored to have one of my comments responded to by the Great & Terrible Gregory Cochran and 2) serious about wanting to learn from the August One.

    What about the modern liberal religion of “normal American Jews” is derived from traditional Jewish religious practices and customs? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m honestly open to learning from you. I think the behavior of “normal American Jews” is bizarre and unsustainable but virtually all of it is derived from liberal progressive Protestantism. It’s Christianity without Christ, i.e., Unitarian Universalism.

    But obviously, I’m a sucker, and I’m missing a lot. So tell me, what?

  53. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Svigor

    This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.
     
    After reading hundreds of comments here about things that happened in Seinfeld episodes, I've finally read a comment that made me want to watch one. It only took 10 years.

    I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    Jews are like blacks; no agency, and nothing (bad) is ever their fault.

    w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    It's obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    ““Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past”

    You misquoted by leaving out the first part of the sentence, thus proving that you are a liar and not worth engaging with. The point of my entire quote was that Jews are surviving quite nicely. The Orthodox.

  54. @WhatEvvs
    Note that the appellation "gay marriage" is suddenly the preferred usage again. I thought it was "same sex marriage."

    http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-time-to-end-tax-exemptions-for-religious-institutions/

    Written by a Tablet writer.

    And many churches and synagogues sit on exceedingly valuable tracts of land (walk up and down Fifth Avenue to see what I mean). The property taxes they aren’t paying have to be drawn from business owners and private citizens — in a real sense, you and I are subsidizing Mormon temples, Muslims mosques, Methodist churches.
     
    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list....

    IMO this won't happen because it would have the effect of destroying most black churches. But frankly, his logic is rather compelling. In the past we could agree on what a religion was. We don't now, so we're subsidizing ever weirder cults. This is the next bend in the river, not polygamy.

    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list….

    Oh please. Would you ruin a perfectly good alliteration just to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism?

    (On second thought… as it becomes increasingly unpredictable where and why the SJW shitstorm show will strike next, knowing how to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism could become a crucial survival skill any minute now…)

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    OK. I didn't notice the alliteration.
  55. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    (As I’ve said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    Sailer’s only gentile by adoption.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Steve never wrote that he had any proof that one or both of his birth parents was Jewish. He just thought that it might be a possibility. However, if he does have proof of Jewish ancestry, he doesn't comment on it whenever the issue comes up at this site.
  56. @International Jew

    At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”
     
    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named "Tyler Kyles".

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents' harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn't take the school to court.

    What's incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    Let’s get real here. $4.48 MM for 5 kids comes out to about $900 K per, after the contingency each kid will get as much if not more than the entire settlement for the families of 19 firefighters who died in that incident (and whether that’s just or not there’s a simple deep pockets issue of raising those children.) Anyone who wants to defend that kind of disparate compensation is just not going to win.

    Kids of all colors and flavors get harassed, teased, mocked, called names, pushed, shoved, etc. in high school. Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.
     
    No, they shouldn't. As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders. So, yeah, I don't think anyone should get close to a million bucks, no matter how badly their feelings were hurt.

    However, it's not right for a school to let the more extreme kind of harrassment go on, and when nicer forms of persuasion fail, a hefty fine may become necessary. To be sure, I can't be sure if the schools in question did less than what they could reasonably be expected to do; I wasn't in court to hear the testimony, and I don't much trust the NY Times.

    What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve's character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.
  57. @GW
    Come on. The point is that no matter how bad the poor Jewish kids had it they were basically insulted, whereas the families of the white Gentile firefighters lost fathers, brothers, and sons. By all means fire the principal and superintendent and bus drivers and teachers who allowed this to happen--but suing for millions for being insulted? I don't know that just seems so hilariously stereotypical. Oy vey.

    Harrassment is, for better or worse, a very big deal now in the view of American courts and they hand out multimillion-dollar settlements all the time:
    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/16/266775.htm

    Any reason you’re incensed about this one in particular?

    • Replies: @JH73
    Ah yes Sailer hasn't complained about EEOC and race discrimination cases at all. I think we have sensitive one here boys. Tread with care.
    , @GW
    Incensed? I think it's hilarious, actually. For the record I'm against feminists, homos, blacks, browns, cripples, Muslims, and trannies suing for millions as if their hurt feelings are worth that much just as I'm against Jews doing so.
  58. @International Jew

    At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”
     
    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named "Tyler Kyles".

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents' harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn't take the school to court.

    What's incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    this doesn’t seem believable to me. Do kids even know enough history to know about swastikas or Nazis? Who has the slightest idea when Hitler’s birthday was?

    Back in the 70’s I knew some of the weirdest pseudo-racist kids you can imagine and they never did anything like what is described here. I admit I’m pretty far from suburban NY but I smell some fakery going on.

    • Replies: @MC
    "Do kids even know enough history to know about swastikas or Nazis?"

    You must be kidding. That and slavery are the only things they're taught about nowadays, although they've probably added Harvey Milk to the curriculum since I graduated.
  59. Does anyone know the religious persuasion of the lawyers in the respective cases?

    Could that explain the apparent un-evenness of the awards?

  60. @International Jew

    At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”
     
    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named "Tyler Kyles".

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents' harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn't take the school to court.

    What's incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    No one is denying that there isn’t antisemitism, but if a school district is fiscally responsible for every low IQ student, then were are in a lot of trouble. Also the fact that there were disputes over property development in the district makes the case highly suspicious.

  61. @International Jew
    Harrassment is, for better or worse, a very big deal now in the view of American courts and they hand out multimillion-dollar settlements all the time:
    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/16/266775.htm

    Any reason you're incensed about this one in particular?

    Ah yes Sailer hasn’t complained about EEOC and race discrimination cases at all. I think we have sensitive one here boys. Tread with care.

  62. @SPMoore8
    Let's get real here. $4.48 MM for 5 kids comes out to about $900 K per, after the contingency each kid will get as much if not more than the entire settlement for the families of 19 firefighters who died in that incident (and whether that's just or not there's a simple deep pockets issue of raising those children.) Anyone who wants to defend that kind of disparate compensation is just not going to win.

    Kids of all colors and flavors get harassed, teased, mocked, called names, pushed, shoved, etc. in high school. Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.

    Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.

    No, they shouldn’t. As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders. So, yeah, I don’t think anyone should get close to a million bucks, no matter how badly their feelings were hurt.

    However, it’s not right for a school to let the more extreme kind of harrassment go on, and when nicer forms of persuasion fail, a hefty fine may become necessary. To be sure, I can’t be sure if the schools in question did less than what they could reasonably be expected to do; I wasn’t in court to hear the testimony, and I don’t much trust the NY Times.

    What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve’s character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Now, hold on just a minute. The title of the post is "Hunger for Hate" not the "Jewish Hunger for Hate." Backtrack: someone sent Steve the two headlines and he posted them. The rest of it is our own personal Rorschach test.

    Just speaking for myself, I don't think the juxtaposition -- numerous fatherless children (actually I think a couple mothers died as well) -- need money, because their parents died fighting a fire. They get $600 K in the aggregate. On the other hand, five kids (I don't care if they are Jewish, or half Nazi and half Confederate) get $600 K _apiece_ because of harassment.

    I don't think a post of that nature is out of bounds; it would be if someone harps on the Jewish angle, but I don't think that Steve did, and I don't think that's the relevant point. However, I do hear what you are saying.

    I think this post -- just getting past the Jewishness, alright already -- is just another signal about the grievance culture we have created. And I think we agree on that.
    , @tomv

    As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders.
     
    If only such an inference were possible. This is a blog for People Who Notice, and I imagine people like "International Jew" and "anony-mouse" are by and large okay with that. Yet whenever that perceptive faculty turns toward Jews, they barge in to question our motives, attack our characters, and redirect our attention. International Jew, for example, has labeled Steve a "malodorous" anti-semite on this very site. That characterization would at least be consistent if made by the average New York Times reader, to whom Steve would also be racist, sexist, and xenophobic. This is not the case, however, with iSteve's very own Jewish Defense League. To them, he's right on most everything else, but why oh why must he have The Jew Thing? That, my friend, is the very definition of special pleading.

    To hear them speak, any negative feelings toward Jews--reflexively decried as "anti-semitism"-- arise from jealousy, feeble-mindedness, or brain-washing. But how are we supposed to feel about a world view with a double standard at its core, and advanced with a shocking lack of self-awareness? Mind you that these are self-selected largely like-minded people, speaking in defense ("Best defense is strong offense"). It gets worse in the world at large, with their co-ethnics who are differently-minded and on the attack.

    Not all Jews are so blissfully self-serving, of course. Among iSteve regulars, SFG and David Pinsen are more even-handed or at least even-keeled (and way back, there was the grandfatherly Fred). Likely there's even a silent majority that doesn't comment. But then again, only a minority of blacks are prone to violence, too. In both cases, it's the disproportion that makes the tendency noticeable, and again this is a blog for People Who Notice. As Steve has repeatedly said, a criticism can improve behavior when taken seriously by its targets. Jews would do well to take criticisms against them seriously (as would any other group with regard to its failings), but they probably won't. Denouncing anti-semitism is so much easier, and more satisfying to boot.
    , @Pat Casey
    Ok, I guess you get to be the punching bag, but that's your name, I'm just kidding. Lets just say this: I've been around the block. If the block I've been around doesn't know any white power chants, I highly doubt any Jews in America have heard any white power chants on a school bus. Maybe it was like Ewww Jew Ewww Jew You Jew You Too. But this is the thing about the Belle Haven block, not the cell block this time, the Belle Haven block white power stuff: It's totally ironic. When your fifteen years old at Belle Haven country club and you say "Oh yea, the Jew?" It's ironic, because you're at country club. You people are one percent of the population, no one has any idea anymore why you would be disliked b/c the old country is dead to us whites (lest media studies type) The only reason it pops up ever outside of the fever swamps is because its so effin taboo, and some idiot does it and realizes he can get away with it, and has no conceivable idea that your people actually start thinking about gas chambers when you hear a puerile effin prank. But you come to the defense of something that's indefensible oh my god four million dollars for some bullying you people lord over this country like insecure titans my god would a wasp have done that and you shamelessly chime in about the biggest hooey I have ever heard of a bus full of crypto nazis in NY its parody. And why do they keep saying 6? it was 5.1. Not 6. 5.1 Why? nearly 20% That does not seem egregious to you? I admire your brovery.
  63. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve’s character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.”

    Consider the media coverage.

    Aren’t they squeezing antisemitism out of stones?

    And given all the Jewish-led anti-white campaigns in schools and institutions, white folks should be suing Jews for trillions.

    And think of all the harassment faced by Muslim kids in America as the result of non-stop Zionist propaganda that says Israel is a special friend of US while all those ‘muzzies’ deserve mockery and their nations deserved to bombed by US planes and drones.

  64. @International Jew
    Harrassment is, for better or worse, a very big deal now in the view of American courts and they hand out multimillion-dollar settlements all the time:
    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/16/266775.htm

    Any reason you're incensed about this one in particular?

    Incensed? I think it’s hilarious, actually. For the record I’m against feminists, homos, blacks, browns, cripples, Muslims, and trannies suing for millions as if their hurt feelings are worth that much just as I’m against Jews doing so.

  65. @iffen

    anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks
     
    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It's bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.
  66. Ivy [AKA "Enquiring Mind"] says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Note that the appellation "gay marriage" is suddenly the preferred usage again. I thought it was "same sex marriage."

    http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-time-to-end-tax-exemptions-for-religious-institutions/

    Written by a Tablet writer.

    And many churches and synagogues sit on exceedingly valuable tracts of land (walk up and down Fifth Avenue to see what I mean). The property taxes they aren’t paying have to be drawn from business owners and private citizens — in a real sense, you and I are subsidizing Mormon temples, Muslims mosques, Methodist churches.
     
    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list....

    IMO this won't happen because it would have the effect of destroying most black churches. But frankly, his logic is rather compelling. In the past we could agree on what a religion was. We don't now, so we're subsidizing ever weirder cults. This is the next bend in the river, not polygamy.

    Case Study: You have assets, and we want them.

    There may be some valuable Fifth Avenue real estate possibly coming up for grabs with any elimination of the tax exemption. Strapped congregations would then face large tax bills, and could go to their friends on Wall Street to seek financing. Of course, that would unfold like so many other predatory lender scenarios, ending with too many lawyers and messy foreclosures. Nonetheless, it only makes sense to some in-the-know to make a play for the manifestly wasting assets like they did previously for a lot of valuable department store property.

    Now force the sale of those houses of worship (while patiently waiting for that name to be challenged in the next phase of WWR). At the Federal level, Senator Feinstein could help, since she facilitated the, ahem, liquidation of all those “excess post offices”, to the group that included her hubby, Mr. Former CBRE Operative.

    Screenplay Idea: Maybe the faith aspect can be portrayed as religious asset stripping to write another chapter in the American morality play.

  67. @International Jew

    Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.
     
    No, they shouldn't. As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders. So, yeah, I don't think anyone should get close to a million bucks, no matter how badly their feelings were hurt.

    However, it's not right for a school to let the more extreme kind of harrassment go on, and when nicer forms of persuasion fail, a hefty fine may become necessary. To be sure, I can't be sure if the schools in question did less than what they could reasonably be expected to do; I wasn't in court to hear the testimony, and I don't much trust the NY Times.

    What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve's character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.

    Now, hold on just a minute. The title of the post is “Hunger for Hate” not the “Jewish Hunger for Hate.” Backtrack: someone sent Steve the two headlines and he posted them. The rest of it is our own personal Rorschach test.

    Just speaking for myself, I don’t think the juxtaposition — numerous fatherless children (actually I think a couple mothers died as well) — need money, because their parents died fighting a fire. They get $600 K in the aggregate. On the other hand, five kids (I don’t care if they are Jewish, or half Nazi and half Confederate) get $600 K _apiece_ because of harassment.

    I don’t think a post of that nature is out of bounds; it would be if someone harps on the Jewish angle, but I don’t think that Steve did, and I don’t think that’s the relevant point. However, I do hear what you are saying.

    I think this post — just getting past the Jewishness, alright already — is just another signal about the grievance culture we have created. And I think we agree on that.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "Now, hold on just a minute. The title of the post is 'Hunger for Hate' not the 'Jewish Hunger for Hate.'"

    Right, but does anybody here really need it all spelled out with a capital J?

    Look - Steve Sailer has never been shy about pointing out three crucial points:

    (1) American Jews are now, and have long been, disproportionately successful compared to American gentiles, when it comes to their share of wealth and power.

    (2) Therefore (according to the traditional mores of American gentiles), they ought to adopt an attitude of "noblesse oblige" - i.e., a condescending kindness to their gentile inferiors.

    (3) But, instead, they relentlessly persist in playing the role of the victim, for all it's worth, regardless of the facts.

    This is a huge problem.
  68. I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don’t know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran’s books.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I've never heard of Jews stealing from or mimicking the Irish.

    I enjoy Irish folk music, but Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.
    , @BubbaJoe
    "I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs."

    Really? I see one- McKee. The NYT article has profiles of each. All seem to be Americans for several generations back. Maybe some have green Irish in their backgrounds, but culturally no. Unless you're including Scots-Irish, but even then 12/19 is way off.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran’s books.

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran's writing, for the most part, but when he'd get on the "Who was Shakespeare really?" kick my eyes glazed over.
    , @Dwright
    Too bad didn't write many books, my guess is less than five.
    His essays are another matter, all gems.
    , @Anonymous
    How are you getting 12 Irish surnames from this list?

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/07/02/us/firefighter-victims.html

    I'm not sure if any of those are Irish surnames. "McKee" stands out, but that could be a Scottish surname.
  69. You might think that the New York Times would instinctively identify with the educated liberal Jews

    The hasidim are educated, just not in the same things as NYT reporters. They spend most of their days studying.

  70. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    >>I don’t understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.
    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it.<<

    This is a site for grown-ups Mike. A certain sense of irony is presumed. Sorry to disappoint you.

  71. A little tangential, but the families of the firefighters, who took pride in the riskiness of their work, will receive Social Security benefits for various amounts (depending on whom and how dependent) and workers’ comp benefits, both of which are tax free. They are not left destitute. In accepting WC, a worker or his family largely give up the right to sue his employer for negligence. “The priorities of the families” were to protect a bird in the hand and forget an improbable one, for a small fee.

    When Gus Grissom’s widow sued NASA, the other astronauts were incensed. To them, NASA wasn’t “the government,” it was America’s project, a known risk and worth dying for.

  72. Well I for one welcome our not-so-new Je

    …no, I don’t actually. Not at all.

  73. Maybe the firefighters’ families should have hired Jewish lawyers…..

  74. @Svigor

    This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.
     
    After reading hundreds of comments here about things that happened in Seinfeld episodes, I've finally read a comment that made me want to watch one. It only took 10 years.

    I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    Jews are like blacks; no agency, and nothing (bad) is ever their fault.

    w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    It's obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    I don’t think you’d like Seinfeld. Most of the jokes would go over your head. You need at least an IQ of 115 to get them.

  75. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals.

    Is that what they were doing in Weimar Germany too? And does it explain their fervent pro-immigrationism in Europe today?

  76. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    Look, IJ, I usually like & agree with your comments, but, this time around, you really need to exercise a little more critical judgment.

    “The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading ‘white power’ chants and making Nazi salutes.”

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe – ’cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, ’cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?

    That’s about as plausible as Jackie Coakley’s rape fantasies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Much of upstate New York is Catholic. The Jews of suburban New York tend to be primarily in Westchester County and Long Island.

    I went to a middle class Catholic school growing up in the 90s. This wasn't in New York, and we didn't have any Jewish students. There were a couple class clown/bully type guys in 6th grade and middle school that started making anti-Semitic Jewish jokes and using anti-Semitic slurs against other kids, none of whom were Jewish. I had never known or met any Jews at that point in my life, and knew very little about them. Most of the other students were alike in this regard. At any rate, these guys managed to popularize these anti-Semitic jokes and slurs, and soon all the kids were using anti-Semitic slurs as general slurs against other kids. I don't know where exactly they had learned this stuff, but I imagine it was at home, maybe from older brothers or something. This was when the internet was just starting and when they wouldn't have been able to easily find this sort of thing online.
    , @syonredux

    “The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading ‘white power’ chants and making Nazi salutes.”

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe – ’cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, ’cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?
     
    I'm glad that someone finally brought that up.How solid is the evidence for this stuff?How much has been exaggerated?
  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”
     
    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named "Tyler Kyles".

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents' harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn't take the school to court.

    What's incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    “What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.”

    “Raw animus”, or simply critical/negative opinions? I can make critical comments about western civilization/English people/my own family/myself without feeling anything approaching hate towards any of them.

    Maybe you (plural) should acknowledge the fact that criticism =/= hate. Is there no merit to any of the non-complimentary comments posted on this thread?

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Maybe you (plural) should acknowledge the fact that criticism =/= hate
     
    Here's a handy rule of thumb, when it comes to recognizing what's honest criticism, and what isn't: if I said it to your face, about your mother, would you want to punch me in the face?
  78. Goyishe kopf.

    • Replies: @Old Jew
    Please, please use correct Yiddish:

    "Goyisher Kop"

    Kop is Yiddish for German Kopf (Head)

    It is a masculine noun.

    Goyshe is a feminine adjective.

    In the medieval German dialect, known as Yiddish the adjective and noun must agree in gender.
    hence: "Goisher".

    sf
  79. @EriK
    Noted anti-semite Superintendent Steinberg described the lawsuit as a "money grab." Whoop, whoop, trigger alert.

    Was wondering if the $4.4 million would crush the district, but I see they have a budget of almost $100 million (6,200 students). We sure can spend money on education here in NY.

    You know, this could be a good cause for Barack Obama to pursue. He should spend the remainder of his presidency trying to root out the pervasive anti-semitism in the American public school system. This would obviously be a massive undertaking (most likely it’d take at least several more decades to fully address the anti-semitism issue), but I feel like Obama has the moral authority to handle this issue. He should definitely go for it.

    He should do monthly progress reports with Alan Dershowitz.

    By the way, Whiskey, what’s your view on this issue? As a Scots-Irishman, we value your perspective.

    • Replies: @YIH
    ''By the way, Whiskey, what’s your view on this issue? As a Scots-Irishman, we value your perspective.''
    I want to know his view on 'Bella and the Bulldogs'.
    'Scots-Irishman'? Is that the new one? I thought it was 'Eskimo'... Or was it 'Finn'?
  80. @Formerly CARealist
    this doesn't seem believable to me. Do kids even know enough history to know about swastikas or Nazis? Who has the slightest idea when Hitler's birthday was?

    Back in the 70's I knew some of the weirdest pseudo-racist kids you can imagine and they never did anything like what is described here. I admit I'm pretty far from suburban NY but I smell some fakery going on.

    “Do kids even know enough history to know about swastikas or Nazis?”

    You must be kidding. That and slavery are the only things they’re taught about nowadays, although they’ve probably added Harvey Milk to the curriculum since I graduated.

  81. @anony-mouse
    Complain all you want about the ultra-Orthodox Jews but they're one of only 3 groups of Whites in the world having huge amounts of kids (the others being polygamous Mormons and 'quiverful' Christians).

    Given the huge complaints people here make about lots of money going to high-breeding low IQ non-Whites you'd think people here might be at least neutral. Oh well.

    Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites? http://www.unz.com/pfrost/young-male-and-single/

    Problem is that they are not entirely white.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Problem is that they are not entirely white.
     
    I dunno; 50% European and 50% Middle Eastern sounds pretty White:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/
  82. @International Jew

    On the contrary, that makes it all the more the sort of thing they would do.
     
    Without attending the public schools, how could Satmarers draw swastikas on desks, do stupid Nazi stuff on the bus, harrass other kids in school?

    The bus was a particularly difficult place for Jewish students. On April 19, 2010, T.E., then in sixth grade, told her mother that students on her bus had made Nazi salutes and discussed how to celebrate the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday, which was the next day.
     

    Hitler’s birthday is 4/20, national pot smoking day. In any American school, weed is the central concern and the Hitler stuff is a joke that goes along with it. It’s a way for good progressives to poke fun at Hitler. I can’t take this article seriously.

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil
    Look, IJ, I usually like & agree with your comments, but, this time around, you really need to exercise a little more critical judgment.

    "The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading 'white power' chants and making Nazi salutes."

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe - 'cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, 'cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?

    That's about as plausible as Jackie Coakley's rape fantasies.

    Much of upstate New York is Catholic. The Jews of suburban New York tend to be primarily in Westchester County and Long Island.

    I went to a middle class Catholic school growing up in the 90s. This wasn’t in New York, and we didn’t have any Jewish students. There were a couple class clown/bully type guys in 6th grade and middle school that started making anti-Semitic Jewish jokes and using anti-Semitic slurs against other kids, none of whom were Jewish. I had never known or met any Jews at that point in my life, and knew very little about them. Most of the other students were alike in this regard. At any rate, these guys managed to popularize these anti-Semitic jokes and slurs, and soon all the kids were using anti-Semitic slurs as general slurs against other kids. I don’t know where exactly they had learned this stuff, but I imagine it was at home, maybe from older brothers or something. This was when the internet was just starting and when they wouldn’t have been able to easily find this sort of thing online.

  84. Read the Jewish press. When Jews get hot under the collar they love to fling “Nazi” and “Hitler” at each other, paint swastikas and such. Ultra-orthodox Jews do it in Israel all the time. It really chaps the heinies of secular Jews. It’s almost an intramural sport.

    Only Jews don’t sue each other for really, really hurt feelings in Israel. My guess is that most Israeli judges and juries treat such nastiness as nothing more than loud-mouthed obnoxious politics and would advise the defendants to grow a thicker skin if they ever tried to wrap themselves in the Holocaust flag and weep about their emotional trauma. Israeli politics is a full contact sport, and Israeli Jews (unlike weepy Western Jews) can dish it out as well as take it.

    But the goyim in the West (well, Christians, anyway–Muslims not so much) have an internalized race guilt that is much more easily exploited.

  85. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/the-new-knockout-game-nearly-50-black-teens-raid-wal-mart-assault-shoppers-destroy-merchandise

    Maybe shoppers should sue Walmart for out-of-control black behavior.

    Walmart just didn’t do enough.

    PS. Serves them right after removing all the Confederate Flag merchandise.

    I say boycott all Walmart.

  86. @Pat Casey
    I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don't know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran's books.

    I’ve never heard of Jews stealing from or mimicking the Irish.

    I enjoy Irish folk music, but Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.

    • Replies: @slumber_j

    Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.
     
    I don't understand this comment. Haven't the Irish produced an extraordinary amount of noteworthy poetry, fiction and theater? And on a per-capita basis, a really mind-blowing amount?
    , @Pat Casey
    listen to slumber, you kno of not what you speak, so dont speak. quick example: best auteurs today? Hands down Cohen Bros. Millers Crossing their most accomplished Cohenesque movie hands down. O you didn't think they wrote that did you? And I think you thought english literature meant it was written just by english maybe. Peruse the work of Harold Bloom, the grandy of lit crit, oh hes just fuckin lost when it comes to the Irish. now im getting started...
  87. @Mike Sylwester
    I don't understand why you have combined these two articles into one post.

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don't get it.

    I suspect this isn’t the only thing to escape your understanding. Is this a language thing? Is the Hasbara effort employing illegal aliens now like the Orthodox did at the gay pride parade, afraid of what the young’ns might see if they come here?

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    You know, this could be a good cause for Barack Obama to pursue. He should spend the remainder of his presidency trying to root out the pervasive anti-semitism in the American public school system. This would obviously be a massive undertaking (most likely it'd take at least several more decades to fully address the anti-semitism issue), but I feel like Obama has the moral authority to handle this issue. He should definitely go for it.

    He should do monthly progress reports with Alan Dershowitz.

    By the way, Whiskey, what's your view on this issue? As a Scots-Irishman, we value your perspective.

    ”By the way, Whiskey, what’s your view on this issue? As a Scots-Irishman, we value your perspective.”
    I want to know his view on ‘Bella and the Bulldogs’.
    ‘Scots-Irishman’? Is that the new one? I thought it was ‘Eskimo’… Or was it ‘Finn’?

  89. @SPMoore8
    Now, hold on just a minute. The title of the post is "Hunger for Hate" not the "Jewish Hunger for Hate." Backtrack: someone sent Steve the two headlines and he posted them. The rest of it is our own personal Rorschach test.

    Just speaking for myself, I don't think the juxtaposition -- numerous fatherless children (actually I think a couple mothers died as well) -- need money, because their parents died fighting a fire. They get $600 K in the aggregate. On the other hand, five kids (I don't care if they are Jewish, or half Nazi and half Confederate) get $600 K _apiece_ because of harassment.

    I don't think a post of that nature is out of bounds; it would be if someone harps on the Jewish angle, but I don't think that Steve did, and I don't think that's the relevant point. However, I do hear what you are saying.

    I think this post -- just getting past the Jewishness, alright already -- is just another signal about the grievance culture we have created. And I think we agree on that.

    “Now, hold on just a minute. The title of the post is ‘Hunger for Hate’ not the ‘Jewish Hunger for Hate.’”

    Right, but does anybody here really need it all spelled out with a capital J?

    Look – Steve Sailer has never been shy about pointing out three crucial points:

    (1) American Jews are now, and have long been, disproportionately successful compared to American gentiles, when it comes to their share of wealth and power.

    (2) Therefore (according to the traditional mores of American gentiles), they ought to adopt an attitude of “noblesse oblige” – i.e., a condescending kindness to their gentile inferiors.

    (3) But, instead, they relentlessly persist in playing the role of the victim, for all it’s worth, regardless of the facts.

    This is a huge problem.

  90. @International Jew

    Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.
     
    No, they shouldn't. As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders. So, yeah, I don't think anyone should get close to a million bucks, no matter how badly their feelings were hurt.

    However, it's not right for a school to let the more extreme kind of harrassment go on, and when nicer forms of persuasion fail, a hefty fine may become necessary. To be sure, I can't be sure if the schools in question did less than what they could reasonably be expected to do; I wasn't in court to hear the testimony, and I don't much trust the NY Times.

    What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve's character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.

    As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders.

    If only such an inference were possible. This is a blog for People Who Notice, and I imagine people like “International Jew” and “anony-mouse” are by and large okay with that. Yet whenever that perceptive faculty turns toward Jews, they barge in to question our motives, attack our characters, and redirect our attention. International Jew, for example, has labeled Steve a “malodorous” anti-semite on this very site. That characterization would at least be consistent if made by the average New York Times reader, to whom Steve would also be racist, sexist, and xenophobic. This is not the case, however, with iSteve’s very own Jewish Defense League. To them, he’s right on most everything else, but why oh why must he have The Jew Thing? That, my friend, is the very definition of special pleading.

    To hear them speak, any negative feelings toward Jews–reflexively decried as “anti-semitism”– arise from jealousy, feeble-mindedness, or brain-washing. But how are we supposed to feel about a world view with a double standard at its core, and advanced with a shocking lack of self-awareness? Mind you that these are self-selected largely like-minded people, speaking in defense (“Best defense is strong offense”). It gets worse in the world at large, with their co-ethnics who are differently-minded and on the attack.

    Not all Jews are so blissfully self-serving, of course. Among iSteve regulars, SFG and David Pinsen are more even-handed or at least even-keeled (and way back, there was the grandfatherly Fred). Likely there’s even a silent majority that doesn’t comment. But then again, only a minority of blacks are prone to violence, too. In both cases, it’s the disproportion that makes the tendency noticeable, and again this is a blog for People Who Notice. As Steve has repeatedly said, a criticism can improve behavior when taken seriously by its targets. Jews would do well to take criticisms against them seriously (as would any other group with regard to its failings), but they probably won’t. Denouncing anti-semitism is so much easier, and more satisfying to boot.

  91. @Pat Casey
    I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don't know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran's books.

    “I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.”

    Really? I see one- McKee. The NYT article has profiles of each. All seem to be Americans for several generations back. Maybe some have green Irish in their backgrounds, but culturally no. Unless you’re including Scots-Irish, but even then 12/19 is way off.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    well I was counting six generics that show up in ireland, there are five plus one more if count deford which is gaelic french. you didn't even know rose was an Irish name? Heyzeus. I would bet fifteen of them say they have Irish blood in them if ghosts speak tho. Men with Irish names don't not know where they're from, to a man. In the coming future they will be waking up to that more fully, and then its a matter of a pilgrimage, and the right music, and suddenly America will have a race of fighting poets who won't do things like the jews do things, because something tells me the jews are about to take a bath in the art world. And I'll be filthy in Dublin watching it all.
  92. @International Jew

    Should all of them receive $600 K in compensation? Please stop.
     
    No, they shouldn't. As you might infer from my presence at this blog, I take a dim view of victim-group special-pleaders. So, yeah, I don't think anyone should get close to a million bucks, no matter how badly their feelings were hurt.

    However, it's not right for a school to let the more extreme kind of harrassment go on, and when nicer forms of persuasion fail, a hefty fine may become necessary. To be sure, I can't be sure if the schools in question did less than what they could reasonably be expected to do; I wasn't in court to hear the testimony, and I don't much trust the NY Times.

    What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve's character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.

    Ok, I guess you get to be the punching bag, but that’s your name, I’m just kidding. Lets just say this: I’ve been around the block. If the block I’ve been around doesn’t know any white power chants, I highly doubt any Jews in America have heard any white power chants on a school bus. Maybe it was like Ewww Jew Ewww Jew You Jew You Too. But this is the thing about the Belle Haven block, not the cell block this time, the Belle Haven block white power stuff: It’s totally ironic. When your fifteen years old at Belle Haven country club and you say “Oh yea, the Jew?” It’s ironic, because you’re at country club. You people are one percent of the population, no one has any idea anymore why you would be disliked b/c the old country is dead to us whites (lest media studies type) The only reason it pops up ever outside of the fever swamps is because its so effin taboo, and some idiot does it and realizes he can get away with it, and has no conceivable idea that your people actually start thinking about gas chambers when you hear a puerile effin prank. But you come to the defense of something that’s indefensible oh my god four million dollars for some bullying you people lord over this country like insecure titans my god would a wasp have done that and you shamelessly chime in about the biggest hooey I have ever heard of a bus full of crypto nazis in NY its parody. And why do they keep saying 6? it was 5.1. Not 6. 5.1 Why? nearly 20% That does not seem egregious to you? I admire your brovery.

  93. Seriously though, here’s an explanation for the disparities in the law suits.

    For most of American history, the majority of Americans were hard and tough people. They were conditioned by centuries of fighting fierce enemies who threatened their country’s survival, poverty, and hardship. Americans used to take pride in being frontiersman, pioneers, conquerors, etc.

    These days the average American is fat, whiny, and wimpy. Jews whining about mild bullying resonates with this nation of whiners, while it wouldn’t have resonated with previous generations.

    “I feel your pain.”

  94. @vinteuil
    Look, IJ, I usually like & agree with your comments, but, this time around, you really need to exercise a little more critical judgment.

    "The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading 'white power' chants and making Nazi salutes."

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe - 'cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, 'cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?

    That's about as plausible as Jackie Coakley's rape fantasies.

    “The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading ‘white power’ chants and making Nazi salutes.”

    I mean, can you possibly believe that really happened?

    The stuff about shoving & beating I can totally believe – ’cause, you know, I got bullied all the time, too, back in high school, ’cause I was a nerdy little dweeb.

    But white power chants & Nazi salutes on the school-bus in Suburban New York?

    I’m glad that someone finally brought that up.How solid is the evidence for this stuff?How much has been exaggerated?

  95. I’m really trying hard to not become an anti-semite. It isn’t working…

  96. @J1234

    "....anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks...."
     

    Would you please not use us as the du jour hate group? It’s bad enough already, we just lost our flag, they’re coming for Andy Jackson and the next president is already leaning in.
     
    Besides, the banjo should be emblematic of a much cherished "diversity", as it was invented/developed by slaves and adapted by poor southern whites, despite it's African origins. Instead, the left identifies it as one of many alleged symbols of black inferiority or white hatred.

    Funny how the banjo never ends up on any lists of "Great Black Inventions," despite it's enormous influence and popularity during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    Thanks, I had no idea.

    I noticed that I was in error and the Jebster was leaning forward and not leaning in. I am not sure if this is better or worse.

  97. “Mike Sylwester says:

    Maybe the relationship is obvious to everyone else here, butI don’t get it.”

    There are a lot of things that dull-witted people don’t get.

  98. @ic1000
    "This American Life" devoted the Sept. 14, 2014 show to the Hasidim-Secular conflict over school budgets and school board elections in Spring Valley, NY. That's about an hour south of Pine Bush, NY -- different community, but many similar themes. It's a good listen.

    Yes–that was a fascinating episode of “This American Life.” It showed the utter contempt in which the Hasidim hold those outside their community and their ruthlessness in acting solely in their own interest and with disregard for everyone else’s. I was surprised it was aired on public radio.

    Here is the transcript:
    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/534/transcript

  99. “International Jew says:

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.”

    Very few people here would deny that there is such a thing as anti-semitism. What some of us object to however is the denial that there is any such thing as anti-gentilism practiced by some (not a few, either) Jews.

  100. @Zippy
    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn't Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?

    Also, Yasuo Hamanaka of Sumitoma. Massive rogue trading in copper.

  101. @Pat Casey
    I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don't know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran's books.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran’s books.

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran’s writing, for the most part, but when he’d get on the “Who was Shakespeare really?” kick my eyes glazed over.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    Shakespeare By Another Name by Mark Anderson. I would not waste your time. If you read that book you will not doubt Joe Sobran was entirely right, and you will, for two to three weeks, be in something of a haze, as tho you just stepped out of Bizarro world. It is actually true, a small cover up, there were no bloggers to uncover, and voila. It would have been so natural, and easy, everything makes sense, trust me. Read the book. A lot of people, kind of like what Joe said about the Israel lobby, a lot of academics believe it and won't say it for fear of being shunned, because every shakespeare scholar has a lot of tuition riding on keeping it simple and pat. This maybe groundbreaking but Joe told me Hugh Kenner was on his side. That's a big name in lit crit.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran’s writing, for the most part, but when he’d get on the “Who was Shakespeare really?” kick my eyes glazed over.
     
    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Sobran studied Shakespeare seriously since he was a teenager. He wrote about the identity issue for many years before he published his book.

    This was not some "kick" of his. It was the main interest of his intellectual life.

    I assume that you are not interested in the issue and never read the book. If so, then I suggest that you not criticize the book.
  102. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    Oh you have to drill down into the specifics? Wow thats some analysis I guess. Wait what? Yeah you drill down into the specifics of torts and you see how common sense ceases to exist. And Oh Steve Jewbates now? Or do Jews bate by no brooking bad coverage? Jebus? I thought he was still toeing the line on gay-bating. Why don’t you not throw that out there in an otherwise calm manner so that new readers don’t think Steve is an idiot anti-semite. Like me for instance.

    If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people.

    When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores? Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    "Oh you have to drill down into the specifics?"
    Yes, you always do.

    "Wow thats some analysis I guess."
    Did you learn to read and write in a school that hates commas and apostrophes?

    "And Oh Steve Jewbates now?"
    Yes, Oh Steve Jewbates quite a lot. I notice he goes in cycles. Something sets him off and then it's 10 posts on something some Jew has done, or he writes about an obscure article in the JTA. I doubt any Jew under the age of 60 reads the JTA. It's a bunch of 85 year olds and Steve.

    "If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people."
    I can't think of a rational response to this. But it's funny, so I'll re-quote you.

    "When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores?"
    Your use of the lower case "j" here can't be anti-Semitic, because you are similarly lazy with the Yankee Protestants. I have a bit of free advice. If you write like a retard, no one will take you seriously. And you make your buddies look like idiots. Oh wait....

    "Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?"
    Look, I realize that there's no point in trying to teach anything to a low-grade palooka (I'm sure your teachers tried hard to teach you commas, apostrophes, and capitalizing proper nouns) but I think Steve reads these comments, and I still have a residual kind of respect for him, so here goes.

    "Normal American Jews" live in a normal world. They go to normal American schools, normal American universities, work normal American jobs, speak normal American English. Of course, perverts like you and Svigor can always tell hoozaJoo, but Steve is too smart for that. He knows that ain't the way it works. There are hundreds of thousands of us, we look just like you (that Italian blood, see under: G. Cochran), blue eyes, normal noses, etc., etc.

    And we assmilate. We marry Christians. The religion has no meaning to us. All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American - please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.

    OK, now I gotta go and poison a few wells.

  103. @Pat Casey
    I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don't know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran's books.

    Too bad didn’t write many books, my guess is less than five.
    His essays are another matter, all gems.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    There's going to be at least two more anthologies I'm pretty sure. I don't know if his Lincoln manuscript, which I gave his publisher at his funeral, will ever be shaped up. But maybe I should take a look at it again.
  104. @LL
    O/T possible new trans hoax:

    http://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2015/6/29/donor-says-girl-scouts-can-t-use-100k-gift-for-transgender-girls

    100k donor stipulates that gift can't be used for transgender girls, and will they "please return the money." Girl scout troop returns huge gift, *without shaming the donor,* and starts a hugely successful crowdfunding campaign that surpasses "original donation." I'm thinking it's a hoax. Why wouldn't they shame the donor, if he exists?

    My Spidey senses were tingling when I read that headline.

    It probably went more like: “We’ll give you 100k but you have to say some bigot gave you 100k first”.

  105. @Anonymous
    I've never heard of Jews stealing from or mimicking the Irish.

    I enjoy Irish folk music, but Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.

    Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.

    I don’t understand this comment. Haven’t the Irish produced an extraordinary amount of noteworthy poetry, fiction and theater? And on a per-capita basis, a really mind-blowing amount?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English. It's not that noteworthy that English people would produce good English literature.
  106. @neutral
    Problem is that they are not entirely white.

    Problem is that they are not entirely white.

    I dunno; 50% European and 50% Middle Eastern sounds pretty White:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/

  107. @slumber_j

    Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.
     
    I don't understand this comment. Haven't the Irish produced an extraordinary amount of noteworthy poetry, fiction and theater? And on a per-capita basis, a really mind-blowing amount?

    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English. It’s not that noteworthy that English people would produce good English literature.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Anglo-Irish (i.e. members of the Church of Ireland) have never numbered more than a few hundred thousand. What they accomplished in relation to their population was quite impressive.
    , @slumber_j

    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English.
     
    Most? Well, perhaps, depending on who's counting. But what of the very many--among them the most famous--who aren't?

    In any case, the original comment made no sense as written.
  108. @Anonymous
    I've never heard of Jews stealing from or mimicking the Irish.

    I enjoy Irish folk music, but Ireland is not exactly an arts powerhouse.

    listen to slumber, you kno of not what you speak, so dont speak. quick example: best auteurs today? Hands down Cohen Bros. Millers Crossing their most accomplished Cohenesque movie hands down. O you didn’t think they wrote that did you? And I think you thought english literature meant it was written just by english maybe. Peruse the work of Harold Bloom, the grandy of lit crit, oh hes just fuckin lost when it comes to the Irish. now im getting started…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So your rebuttal to my point is that the Coen brothers make good movies. Ok......
    , @Zach
    The Coen Brothers have always liked the detective novels of Raymond Chandler ("The Big Lebowski" title was taken from "The Big Sleep") and Dashiell Hammett, whose "Glass Key" and "Red Harvest" were used for "Miller's Crossing." Although I've liked some of their films, often the best thing about a Coen Brothers film is the soundtrack or the way that they send you back to the source material for the film.
  109. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “International Jew says:

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.”

    The problem is the term ‘antisemitism’. It has connotations with Nazism and the like.

    Yes, there is animus against Jews, but it is natural and normal since Jews are a (1) minority elite with immense power (2) most Jews are hostile to white American conservatism.

    I mean what is really outlandish is GOP philosemitism that goes out of its way to praise a group in America where 77% support ‘gay marriage’. What passes for a ‘Jewish Conservative’ is someone like Jennifer Rubin who is rabid in her support of Jewish nationalism but is so hostile to white consciousness that she had Jason Richwine purged.

    Look here. She is rabid about Israel, Israel, and Israel. But when Richwine said too much diversity aint good for America, she bit him like a mad dog.

    http://www.unz.com/article/crunch-time-with-iran/

    Why should white American conservatives like Jews as a group? Sure, there are individual Jews I like, such as Paul Gottfried and Robert Weissberg. But they are few and far between.
    Most Jews are not only hostile but venomously hostile to white conservative America. They gave us Obama, Sotomayor, Kagan, and this trash called ‘gay marriage’.

    It is chutzpah for Jews to act like this and then be shocked that there are conservatives who are pissed at Jews. Maybe YOU are not like these Jews. But the fact is most Jews are not like you. Most Jews are like Elena Kagan and Jennifer Rubin.

    Now, Jews were filled with hostility toward American Wasp elites(and still are even though Jews have taken top position). Jews were filled with resentment over every slight even though no ruling elite did more for Jews and were kinder to Jews than American Wasp elites.

    So, why are Jews so upset when some conservatives are beginning to get angry with Jews?

    But then, do not worry cuz most American Conservatives are NOT like the ones here. Most American Cons are Fox News and Talk Radio people who fear Sharia Law and think Israel/Jews are their best friends. Their worldview isn’t much different from Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity that whore.

    Anyway, imagine if Israel were 2% Polish Catholic, and this small minority had the kind of power that American Jews have in the US. And imagine this small minority using their power to undermine Jewish demographics, Jewish influence, Jewish tradition, Jewish identity, and etc.
    Wouldn’t there some degree of Jewish animus against the Polish Catholic minority elite?

    So, what is often called ‘antisemitism’ is normal and natural. It is natural and normal for a majority to dislike a minority elite whose agenda is rabidly and virulently hostile to them.

    This is what Jewish-dominated America has done to children. Homo is the new Santa Claus. Thanks to Jewish control of media and academia(and courts), this is how American parents now teach their kids. Thank you, Jews. Thank you kindly.

    • Replies: @anon
    the girl in the blue dress is pretty smart
  110. @Zippy
    What gentile fraud would that be, Wilkey?

    Nearly all of the big financial frauds I read about involve Jews.

    OK, that Robert Stanford guy wasn't Jewish. Any other big non-Jewish fraudsters?

    I’ve been one or two degrees of separation from some fraudsters, include a guy who scammed some people for 8 or 9 digits worth. None of them were Jews. Trust me, there’s a crapload of people out there trying to rip you off.

  111. @Anonymous

    (As I’ve said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)
     
    Sailer's only gentile by adoption.

    Steve never wrote that he had any proof that one or both of his birth parents was Jewish. He just thought that it might be a possibility. However, if he does have proof of Jewish ancestry, he doesn’t comment on it whenever the issue comes up at this site.

  112. @BubbaJoe
    "I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs."

    Really? I see one- McKee. The NYT article has profiles of each. All seem to be Americans for several generations back. Maybe some have green Irish in their backgrounds, but culturally no. Unless you're including Scots-Irish, but even then 12/19 is way off.

    well I was counting six generics that show up in ireland, there are five plus one more if count deford which is gaelic french. you didn’t even know rose was an Irish name? Heyzeus. I would bet fifteen of them say they have Irish blood in them if ghosts speak tho. Men with Irish names don’t not know where they’re from, to a man. In the coming future they will be waking up to that more fully, and then its a matter of a pilgrimage, and the right music, and suddenly America will have a race of fighting poets who won’t do things like the jews do things, because something tells me the jews are about to take a bath in the art world. And I’ll be filthy in Dublin watching it all.

    • Replies: @BubbaJoe
    Ok, you're insane.
    , @Anonymous
    Irish surnames refer to those names unique to or originating in Ireland. English or Norman surnames that the Irish may have today aren't themselves Irish surnames.

    As far as I can tell, none of those names are Irish, except possibly McKee, which may actually be more of a Scottish and Scots-Irish name.
  113. jsm says:
    @International Jew

    At the local McDonald’s recently, a worker sweeping the floor, Corey Kyles, 25, said that his brother, Tyler, used to draw swastikas outside the town’s Boys and Girls Club, and also carve them into the high school’s wrestling mats.

    “God only knows why he did it,” Mr. Kyles said of Tyler, who died in a car accident in 2009. “He probably was just stupid.”
     
    No word on whether he played the banjo, but no Satmarer has ever been named "Tyler Kyles".

    Ya know, I went to school with guys like that. We had the swastika doodlers, we had the Nazi admirers (mostly, admiration for German martial qualities, same way some people can admire the Confederacy without also being latter-day advocates of slavery), we had the kids who channeled their parents' harder sort of antisemitism.
    It was a less litigious age then, so we Jews wrote those guys off as idiots but we didn't take the school to court.

    What's incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.

    Here’s what I think is incongruous:
    The same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny that the fact of a dude’s Jewishness has anything to do with anything, when somebody Jewish does something that fulfills negative stereotypes about Jews, like, say, Jew Bernie Madoff cheating his investors out of billions of dollars-

    those folks come here anytime we notice somebody (who happens to be Jewish) doing something untoward, THEN we get accused of “raw animus against Jews.”

    Gee, I wish *I* got to have it both ways when MY people get criticized, like you Jewish guys do.

  114. @Anonymous
    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English. It's not that noteworthy that English people would produce good English literature.

    Anglo-Irish (i.e. members of the Church of Ireland) have never numbered more than a few hundred thousand. What they accomplished in relation to their population was quite impressive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, but it's also a bit misleading since their population was mainly confined to Dublin and the landlord class.
  115. • Replies: @Anonymous
    It looks like the Singularity has arrived.....
    , @Anonymous

    Alcine believes the gaffe was caused by a faulty Google algorithm.
     
    Is this the new Diversity hiring algorithm Steve blogged about recently?
  116. @Harry Baldwin
    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran’s books.

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran's writing, for the most part, but when he'd get on the "Who was Shakespeare really?" kick my eyes glazed over.

    Shakespeare By Another Name by Mark Anderson. I would not waste your time. If you read that book you will not doubt Joe Sobran was entirely right, and you will, for two to three weeks, be in something of a haze, as tho you just stepped out of Bizarro world. It is actually true, a small cover up, there were no bloggers to uncover, and voila. It would have been so natural, and easy, everything makes sense, trust me. Read the book. A lot of people, kind of like what Joe said about the Israel lobby, a lot of academics believe it and won’t say it for fear of being shunned, because every shakespeare scholar has a lot of tuition riding on keeping it simple and pat. This maybe groundbreaking but Joe told me Hugh Kenner was on his side. That’s a big name in lit crit.

  117. @Anon
    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-photos-mislabels-two-black-americans-as-122793782784.html

    ROTFL

    It looks like the Singularity has arrived…..

  118. @Pat Casey
    listen to slumber, you kno of not what you speak, so dont speak. quick example: best auteurs today? Hands down Cohen Bros. Millers Crossing their most accomplished Cohenesque movie hands down. O you didn't think they wrote that did you? And I think you thought english literature meant it was written just by english maybe. Peruse the work of Harold Bloom, the grandy of lit crit, oh hes just fuckin lost when it comes to the Irish. now im getting started...

    So your rebuttal to my point is that the Coen brothers make good movies. Ok……

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    they plagiarised a book by an irish guy, no permission, no rights they just did it and said they wrote it. the cohens "borrow" shit left and right and when they don't, like O Brother, its just an oddity, like them, personally.
  119. @PV van der Byl
    Anglo-Irish (i.e. members of the Church of Ireland) have never numbered more than a few hundred thousand. What they accomplished in relation to their population was quite impressive.

    Yes, but it’s also a bit misleading since their population was mainly confined to Dublin and the landlord class.

  120. @Anon
    “International Jew says:

    What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews.”

    The problem is the term 'antisemitism'. It has connotations with Nazism and the like.

    Yes, there is animus against Jews, but it is natural and normal since Jews are a (1) minority elite with immense power (2) most Jews are hostile to white American conservatism.

    I mean what is really outlandish is GOP philosemitism that goes out of its way to praise a group in America where 77% support 'gay marriage'. What passes for a 'Jewish Conservative' is someone like Jennifer Rubin who is rabid in her support of Jewish nationalism but is so hostile to white consciousness that she had Jason Richwine purged.

    Look here. She is rabid about Israel, Israel, and Israel. But when Richwine said too much diversity aint good for America, she bit him like a mad dog.

    http://www.unz.com/article/crunch-time-with-iran/

    Why should white American conservatives like Jews as a group? Sure, there are individual Jews I like, such as Paul Gottfried and Robert Weissberg. But they are few and far between.
    Most Jews are not only hostile but venomously hostile to white conservative America. They gave us Obama, Sotomayor, Kagan, and this trash called 'gay marriage'.

    It is chutzpah for Jews to act like this and then be shocked that there are conservatives who are pissed at Jews. Maybe YOU are not like these Jews. But the fact is most Jews are not like you. Most Jews are like Elena Kagan and Jennifer Rubin.

    Now, Jews were filled with hostility toward American Wasp elites(and still are even though Jews have taken top position). Jews were filled with resentment over every slight even though no ruling elite did more for Jews and were kinder to Jews than American Wasp elites.

    So, why are Jews so upset when some conservatives are beginning to get angry with Jews?

    But then, do not worry cuz most American Conservatives are NOT like the ones here. Most American Cons are Fox News and Talk Radio people who fear Sharia Law and think Israel/Jews are their best friends. Their worldview isn't much different from Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity that whore.

    Anyway, imagine if Israel were 2% Polish Catholic, and this small minority had the kind of power that American Jews have in the US. And imagine this small minority using their power to undermine Jewish demographics, Jewish influence, Jewish tradition, Jewish identity, and etc.
    Wouldn't there some degree of Jewish animus against the Polish Catholic minority elite?

    So, what is often called 'antisemitism' is normal and natural. It is natural and normal for a majority to dislike a minority elite whose agenda is rabidly and virulently hostile to them.

    This is what Jewish-dominated America has done to children. Homo is the new Santa Claus. Thanks to Jewish control of media and academia(and courts), this is how American parents now teach their kids. Thank you, Jews. Thank you kindly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFDY6N33aw

    the girl in the blue dress is pretty smart

  121. @Dwright
    Too bad didn't write many books, my guess is less than five.
    His essays are another matter, all gems.

    There’s going to be at least two more anthologies I’m pretty sure. I don’t know if his Lincoln manuscript, which I gave his publisher at his funeral, will ever be shaped up. But maybe I should take a look at it again.

  122. @JohnnyWalker123
    Goyishe kopf.

    Please, please use correct Yiddish:

    “Goyisher Kop”

    Kop is Yiddish for German Kopf (Head)

    It is a masculine noun.

    Goyshe is a feminine adjective.

    In the medieval German dialect, known as Yiddish the adjective and noun must agree in gender.
    hence: “Goisher”.

    sf

  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Though Jewish hysteria pisses me off, it makes perfect sense from a business and medical perspective.

    If you’re in business, what do you do to stay in business? To grab attention and sell stuff, you have to keep convincing people that they are sick, too fat, un-hygienic, unfulfilled, and etc, etc. If people felt secure and content, why would they buy your product? You have to keep sounding the alarm. So, even in a safe neighborhood, you have to spread fear about burglars so that everyone will get an alarm system. You have to make people feel that they don’t take enough vitamins. You have tell people that they need a certain exercise equipment or they’ll become fat and unfit. You gotta make people feel anxious, unfulfilled, fearful, and etc. to grab their attention and sell stuff.

    Most political and social professionals are in the business of making people feel anxious, afraid, unsafe, crisis-ridden, insecure, and etc. Only then will people pay heed to their advice, ‘wisdom’, recommendations, warnings, and etc.

    A whole bunch of Jews in media, academia, and other social science professions would be out of a job unless they constantly made us feel that SOMETHING IS WRONG!!!

    But Jewish fear-mongering is also understandable from a medical viewpoint. In medicine, they say prevention is the BEST way. So, don’t wait for the problem to get out of hand. Go for prevention before the problem begins. If you let the problem fester, it may TOO LATE.
    Better to be worried than complacent and found out too late when the disease has progressed.

    And in away, this is a good advice. After all, look what happened because America ignored and overlooked the problem of Jewish radicalism? Americans just let it fester, and it grew and grew and now messed up America royally. And look at the ‘gay’ germ. America tolerated it and let it grow, and now we have homos forcing ‘gay’ propaganda in elementary schools so that young ones will grow up worshiping homos. America is now totally ‘gay’-diseased cuz it tolerated its initial incubation.

    So, it is smart from a medical viewpoint for Jews to get alarmed about anti-Jewishness before it even takes shape. It’s like preventing forest fire by forbidding even a flicker is better than dealing with the fire once it flares into sizable flame. And given the nature of Jewish power and influence, anti-Jewish rage is certainly possible in America.

    But, there is an aspect of hypochondria in the Jewish mania, I must say.

  124. @Anon
    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-photos-mislabels-two-black-americans-as-122793782784.html

    ROTFL

    Alcine believes the gaffe was caused by a faulty Google algorithm.

    Is this the new Diversity hiring algorithm Steve blogged about recently?

  125. Or made gay marriage legal in Israel.

    Legalizing “homosexual marriage” would be a clever leftist-but-not-racially-damaging fig leaf move for Israel.

    From 2009, some Jewish American kids in Israel were caught on camera saying “white power, f**k the n***ers”, among other things. The video was on youtube, but has since been removed. I don’t think they were knuckledraggers. They were just caught up in the moment, probably like that frat at OU. Anyway, the point of this is to not slam the Jews, but to point out that they can be capable of obnoxious behavior too.

    If we use the formula Steve highlighted in his post, when the Palestinians win a suit against the Jews for carpet-bombing their cities, they’ll get handed a bill for the ammo.

    Love it.

    Not only deliciously witty but serves as a warning to anyone thinking there will be an end to the victimology game any time soon.

    I wish I’d come up with it, but I didn’t. It works for anything that’s always “just around the corner,” like human group equality, socialism and diversity working well together, etc.

    A sucker you mean?

    Where to “normal American Jews” get their low birthrate and high outmarriage rate from? The old religion? You tell me.

    They get their low birthrate the same place all high-performing groups in meritocratic societies: high standards of living and a plethora of birth control. No need to blame it on anything but the wealth. As for their “high outmarriage rate,” it doesn’t exist, except in comparison to extreme outliers. On the contrary, Jews have a lower rate of outmarriage than most whites. It makes much more sense to wonder why Jews haven’t assimilated to white American norms after all these years.

    What about the modern liberal religion of “normal American Jews” is derived from traditional Jewish religious practices and customs? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m honestly open to learning from you. I think the behavior of “normal American Jews” is bizarre and unsustainable but virtually all of it is derived from liberal progressive Protestantism. It’s Christianity without Christ, i.e., Unitarian Universalism.

    But obviously, I’m a sucker, and I’m missing a lot. So tell me, what?

    I’d be here all day going into that one.

    Oh please. Would you ruin a perfectly good alliteration just to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism the appearance of impropriety (racism favoring Jews, disfavoring other groups)?

    FIFY. And yes.

    I don’t think you’d like Seinfeld. Most of the jokes would go over your head. You need at least an IQ of 115 to get them.

    In my experience, TV shows like that end with a single season. Actually, I take that back; I’ve never seen or heard of a show like that.

  126. @Pat Casey
    well I was counting six generics that show up in ireland, there are five plus one more if count deford which is gaelic french. you didn't even know rose was an Irish name? Heyzeus. I would bet fifteen of them say they have Irish blood in them if ghosts speak tho. Men with Irish names don't not know where they're from, to a man. In the coming future they will be waking up to that more fully, and then its a matter of a pilgrimage, and the right music, and suddenly America will have a race of fighting poets who won't do things like the jews do things, because something tells me the jews are about to take a bath in the art world. And I'll be filthy in Dublin watching it all.

    Ok, you’re insane.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    what some of us have been working on, carefully--cautiously--is an amplification, an amplification by harmonification of the workaday experience, such that we may orchestrate the sounds, say, of a factory to produce a great symphony. The whole clamor of a great factory would be rhythmically regulated, and the workers work, not to a deafening din, but to a superb symphony. The factory manager would be a musical conductor on an immense scale, and each artisan would be an instrumentalist. and some of us are almost there...
  127. @Pat Casey
    I think I count TWELVE IRISH NAMES among those nineteen fire martyrs.

    How bout this. The Jews can have all the money they want. They can sue for millions for getting licks called growing up in my book. They can shunt the news and black out opinion. And then they can sit back with their money, and count it.

    But they will never know how to make right art without stealing or mimicking mostly from my people. whose literature they don't know how to read. and it appears to have something to do with well being who they are.

    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran's books.

    How are you getting 12 Irish surnames from this list?

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/07/02/us/firefighter-victims.html

    I’m not sure if any of those are Irish surnames. “McKee” stands out, but that could be a Scottish surname.

  128. @Seminumerical
    Oh for heaven's sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?

    Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?

    Then there’s this:

    Glenn Ford, age 65. On death row for 30 years before being exonerated in 2014.

    Ford had been the longest-serving death row inmate in the US at the time of his release on March 10, 2014.

    He was found guilty in 1984 in the ‘83 murder of a Shreveport jeweler, but his conviction was vacated after new evidence pointed to a different suspect in the killing.

    After his release, Ford petitioned the state of Louisiana for compensation but was denied.

    He had been diagnosed with lung cancer and died in New Orleans, Louisiana on June 29, 2015.

    Part of the ongoing series – “Life is Not Fair”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Rifleman says:

    Part of the ongoing series – “Life is Not Fair”.

    True. But courts are supposed to be.
  129. @Svigor

    This reminds of Jerry Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo, who used to accuse everyone of antisemitism, even other Jews.
     
    After reading hundreds of comments here about things that happened in Seinfeld episodes, I've finally read a comment that made me want to watch one. It only took 10 years.

    I think it’s really a case of super-assimilation. “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that’s not a popular opinion here. “Normal American Jews” w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    Jews are like blacks; no agency, and nothing (bad) is ever their fault.

    w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.
     
    It's obvious that the Jews are about to disappear; and they always will be.

    It might only take the first episode of the first season of Curb Your Enthusiasm to satiate your thirst for mockery at the expense of a Jewish character.

  130. @Rifleman

    Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.

    Get it?
     

    Then there's this:

    Glenn Ford, age 65. On death row for 30 years before being exonerated in 2014.

    Ford had been the longest-serving death row inmate in the US at the time of his release on March 10, 2014.

    He was found guilty in 1984 in the ‘83 murder of a Shreveport jeweler, but his conviction was vacated after new evidence pointed to a different suspect in the killing.

    After his release, Ford petitioned the state of Louisiana for compensation but was denied.

    He had been diagnosed with lung cancer and died in New Orleans, Louisiana on June 29, 2015.

    Part of the ongoing series - "Life is Not Fair".

    “Rifleman says:

    Part of the ongoing series – “Life is Not Fair”.

    True. But courts are supposed to be.

  131. @BubbaJoe
    Ok, you're insane.

    what some of us have been working on, carefully–cautiously–is an amplification, an amplification by harmonification of the workaday experience, such that we may orchestrate the sounds, say, of a factory to produce a great symphony. The whole clamor of a great factory would be rhythmically regulated, and the workers work, not to a deafening din, but to a superb symphony. The factory manager would be a musical conductor on an immense scale, and each artisan would be an instrumentalist. and some of us are almost there…

  132. “East Ramapo is not simply another tale of insufficient funds leaving a poor district marooned. This is a cautionary tale of communal politics and secular political leaders who lack the means or the courage to confront it. Years ago, the Hasidic Jews of Brooklyn — the Satmar, the Bobover and other sects — began their migration here.”

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/nyregion/a-school-board-that-overlooks-its-obligation-to-students.html?referrer=

    East Ramapo school district meetings:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/LuckyLouProduction?

    Hikind Lauds Pine Bush Anti-Semitism Settlement But Waits For Justice In Bloomingburg, East Ramapo

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/322745/hikind-lauds-pine-bush-anti-semitism-settlement-but-waits-for-justice-in-bloomingburg-east-ramapo.html

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    said he wished well for every child, “white, purple or green.”
     
    LOL
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    Our forefathers gave us government by majority vote with universal suffrage (even illegals can vote). Under normal operation of this system you expect the majority to tax the more productive for their benefit.

    Spring Valley public schools spend $24,256 per pupil. And of course we still need to spend yet more on education, no politician is ever going to say we spend too much. And illegals should be able to attend school too. Why not, it's free. All by voting.

    Spring Valley is 37% black and 31% hispanic, so the middle class would find it unpleasant to attend. They can pay to go to private school with their after-tax income. If they manage to get a voucher program, it will be declared unconstitutional.

    This is the expected state of nature under a majority vote system. The masses use voting to soak the middle-class for an inflated cost education for blacks and immigrants. Then drive them away to private schools, more money for who's left.

    But sometimes the bull gores the matador. Here, they have the majority vote and control of the treasury. The soaked becomes the soaker! Vae Victis!

    They don't attend the public school, so cut it's budget. The article screams bloody murder about the budget cuts, and has sob stories about all the programs being shut down, but if you look up the details you find:

    A Not-So-Simple Majority
    During the five years that East Ramapo was making its biggest cuts, all of the normal neighboring school districts raised their property taxes by an average of more than 25% just to get by. During the same five years in East Ramapo, the Hasidic-controlled board raised taxes by just 9%.
    ...
    During the last 10 years, every comparable school district in the county grew its budget by an average of 50%. East Ramapo's budget grew by 33%.

     

    Budget "cuts". But at least it's something. East Ramapo Spending per pupil 2014-15 is $24,256.

    They have a strategy other than white flight. With their non-individualism they can colonize bad neighborhoods, get control of the school board and "lower" local taxes (or not increase as much). If they come off as pushy and mean, it's because they have to interact on a daily basis with minorities who are mad at them for daring to reduce thier socialist wealth-transfer.

  133. @Anonymous
    So your rebuttal to my point is that the Coen brothers make good movies. Ok......

    they plagiarised a book by an irish guy, no permission, no rights they just did it and said they wrote it. the cohens “borrow” shit left and right and when they don’t, like O Brother, its just an oddity, like them, personally.

    • Replies: @BelleCurvie
    Is the "Irish guy" you are referring to Dashiell Hammett?
  134. @Whiskey
    Asked, and answered. Raj Rajnaratum, of Galleon Fame. His entire insider trading ring included Anil Kumar and Rajat Gupta of McKinsey. There's also Fabulous Fab, Fabrice Tourre, the Black guy at some British trading firm (a relative of some African dictator), about a zillion Chinese sharp guys selling junk on the financial markets (non existent shell companies), and the IIRC, White WASP guy making London Whale trades at JP Morgan. There is also the LIBOR and Gold Fixing scandals, resulting in prosecutions. Anju Jain of Deutschbank is probably looking at charges there.

    Financial Fraud seems to come in three flavors: rogue traders encouraged to take more risks exploiting weak controls to make back losses and getting in ever deeper: Toure being a good example. The others, ethno rings exploiting insider info, laws are made for dopes etc; and cartels of cozy traders who move about each others firms like LIBOR and the Gold Fix cartels.

    Anil Kumar should sue the parents who named him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Shouldn't it be spelt "Anil : Kumar"? A colon seems most appropriate.
  135. @Reg Cæsar
    Anil Kumar should sue the parents who named him.

    Shouldn’t it be spelt “Anil : Kumar”? A colon seems most appropriate.

  136. Somewhat OT, the Benny Steinmetz saga continues. The FT is doing a series (they are very good on business corruption in the Third World) on the BSGR Corp. / Steinmetz saga. This combines all ISteve obsessions: grotesque African corruption, Men In Gold Chains, dirty deals, mega corporations fighting.

    Short version: Guinea has an entire mountain made of almost pure Iron Ore. It is of course in Guinea, and even worse in the middle of nowhere. Probably worth a lot less with falling Chinese demand. But its still worth something. A multinational, Rio Tinto (UK/Aussie) mining company obtained the rights. Vale (a Brazilian multinational) wanted it. They used Benny Steinmetz, operator of the Benny Steinmetz Group Resources (BSGR) to bribe the dying dictator (and his wife) considerable sums to have the rights turned over to BSGR which then sold them to Vale. The dictator died, and the new guy is hopping mad … he didn’t get any bribe money. Needless to say the whole deal is off, Tinto is suing both Vale and Steinmetz, the widow made off to Switzerland with millions, and Steinmetz is being investigated by the FBI and the Swiss authorities. Steinmetz himself lives in Geneva.

    What amazes me is how low rent everything is. Steinmetz has “only” (yeah I know) $3.5 billion. By comparison, Bill Gates has about $80 billion and Carlos Slim and Warren Buffett about 72 billion. According to Google.

    Lesson: bribing African dictators is hard work. And it pays relatively little compared to establishing a world wide monopoly for years on PC operating systems and office suites, or Mexicans phoning home, or creating insurance based mega corps.

    Oh yeah, the FT has a podcast on the whole thing here. The real money seems to be in ripping off Middle Class Westerners.

  137. @International Jew

    Who are these anti-Semitic banjo-picking rednecks in the NYC exurbs?
     
    Dunno, maybe this bit, from part of the Times article you chose not to quote, gives us a clue:

    The students had told of finding swastikas drawn on walls, desks, lockers and other school property; of being subjected to epithets and nicknames; and of being shoved and beaten, according to depositions in the lawsuit and later interviews with The New York Times. The students also described terrifying bus rides with classmates leading “white power” chants and making Nazi salutes.
     
    That doesn't sound like stuff Jewish kids (even "normal" ones, as you call them) do. "Banjo-picking rednecks"? I don't know, but I do remember "nice" middle-class Catholic kids who liked to do that. I suppose some have outgrown those tendencies. Others have apparently become bloggers.

    So all you've got is that the ex-superintendent of the school district has (surprise, surprise) taken the side of the school district in this lawsuit. Moreover, it's not like he denies that there's a problem, he only argues that the schools have done all they can do:


    “I have said I will meet with your daughters and I will,” Mr. Steinberg wrote, “but your expectations for changing inbred prejudice may be a bit unrealistic.”
     
    Finally, whoever it was complaining about antisemitism at the Pine Bush schools, you need to know it couldn't have been Satmarers, as they don't send their kids to the public schools. (As I've said before, your knowledge about Jews is above average for a gentile, but still ridden with holes.)

    I lived in my mid twenties with a group of guys in an old building on 8th Avenue near 29th Street in the early ’90s in an old SRO with no C of O we rented from a Greek Association from Astoria. We converted it to 3 2 bedroom apartments, a full floor each. Rent was $800 a floor.

    Anyway, a lot of our furniture was just stuff we found in the street. One was an old grade school desk chair. It had a swastika and a peace sign carved in it, and paint splatters, etc. We always called it Nazi Peace Chair. Jewish guests didn’t seem to mind.

  138. Zach says:
    @Pat Casey
    listen to slumber, you kno of not what you speak, so dont speak. quick example: best auteurs today? Hands down Cohen Bros. Millers Crossing their most accomplished Cohenesque movie hands down. O you didn't think they wrote that did you? And I think you thought english literature meant it was written just by english maybe. Peruse the work of Harold Bloom, the grandy of lit crit, oh hes just fuckin lost when it comes to the Irish. now im getting started...

    The Coen Brothers have always liked the detective novels of Raymond Chandler (“The Big Lebowski” title was taken from “The Big Sleep”) and Dashiell Hammett, whose “Glass Key” and “Red Harvest” were used for “Miller’s Crossing.” Although I’ve liked some of their films, often the best thing about a Coen Brothers film is the soundtrack or the way that they send you back to the source material for the film.

    • Replies: @Justpassingby
    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films' credits? I've never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.
  139. @Pat Casey
    they plagiarised a book by an irish guy, no permission, no rights they just did it and said they wrote it. the cohens "borrow" shit left and right and when they don't, like O Brother, its just an oddity, like them, personally.

    Is the “Irish guy” you are referring to Dashiell Hammett?

  140. @George
    "East Ramapo is not simply another tale of insufficient funds leaving a poor district marooned. This is a cautionary tale of communal politics and secular political leaders who lack the means or the courage to confront it. Years ago, the Hasidic Jews of Brooklyn — the Satmar, the Bobover and other sects — began their migration here."

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/nyregion/a-school-board-that-overlooks-its-obligation-to-students.html?referrer=

    East Ramapo school district meetings:
    https://m.youtube.com/user/LuckyLouProduction?

    Hikind Lauds Pine Bush Anti-Semitism Settlement But Waits For Justice In Bloomingburg, East Ramapo

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/322745/hikind-lauds-pine-bush-anti-semitism-settlement-but-waits-for-justice-in-bloomingburg-east-ramapo.html

    said he wished well for every child, “white, purple or green.”

    LOL

  141. @Harry Baldwin
    And norman podhoretz is a psychopath who will be forgotten when Irish Catholics are handing down Joe Sobran’s books.

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran's writing, for the most part, but when he'd get on the "Who was Shakespeare really?" kick my eyes glazed over.

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran’s writing, for the most part, but when he’d get on the “Who was Shakespeare really?” kick my eyes glazed over.

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Sobran studied Shakespeare seriously since he was a teenager. He wrote about the identity issue for many years before he published his book.

    This was not some “kick” of his. It was the main interest of his intellectual life.

    I assume that you are not interested in the issue and never read the book. If so, then I suggest that you not criticize the book.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

     

    Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti.

    Those in the know know it was ghosted by an Exeter alumnus in a Connecticut mansion.
    , @Justpassingby

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.
     
    Sobran's arguments convinced me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt actually wrote all the songs credited to Irving Berlin. Or, should I say, "Irving Berlin"?
  142. @Anonymous
    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English. It's not that noteworthy that English people would produce good English literature.

    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English.

    Most? Well, perhaps, depending on who’s counting. But what of the very many–among them the most famous–who aren’t?

    In any case, the original comment made no sense as written.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It makes plenty of sense: Ireland is traditionally not regarded as an arts powerhouse. It has been distinguished in literature, a subset of the arts, specifically in English literature written largely by English people.
  143. Nothing like the Huffington Post for providing material:

    Headline: “White Identity Offers Bland Nothingness or Racism — An Inclusive American Identity Is the Answer”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/white-identity-offers-bla_b_7695138.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    • Replies: @syonredux

    We can see this nothingness in a Utah baseball team's "Caucasian Heritage Night," which was to consist of eating hamburgers with mayonnaise on Wonder Bread, jumping (presumably because white men famously "can't"), and watching "Friends."
     
    Interesting.....Of course, if I were organizing a "White Night," the program would be a bit different:

    Food: Roast beef

    Sport: Football, soccer, rugby, basketball, baseball, cricket, etc (all invented by White Anglos)

    Entertainment: Shakespeare, perhaps Henry IV, Part One (my personal favorite)
  144. @Mike Sylwester

    Oh for heaven’s sake! $0.6 million for 19 firefighters burned to death, versus $4.48 million for five people with hurt feelings.
     
    I think both lawsuits are frivolous.

    If a person is a firefighter and dies on duty fighting a fire, then the compensation should be determined by the institution's normal policy.

    If a soldier dies in a friendly-fire mistake, then his family does not get to sue the US Army for extra compensation. The family gets only the standard insurance benefit.

    Professionals get killed while fighting fires or wars -- often because of mistakes. These deaths are tragic, but they are normal conditions of such professions. The courts should not involve themselves in such cases. The institutions themselves should determine the compensation policies.

    If you sign up to be a firefighter, then you might die horribly, because of someone's mistake, while fighting a fire. The insurance will pay your family X dollars. That's the deal. Take it or leave it.

    Recognizing and correcting problems that cause casualties should be left to the professionals in the organization. We don't need courts telling firefighters and soldiers how to do their jobs.

    And, of course, the anti-semitism lawsuit was frivolous. I don't need to explain my opinion about that here.

    From my perspective, both lawsuits are frivolous, but for different reasons.

    I guess we want you, nay; NEED you on that wall Colonel.

  145. @anony-mouse
    Complain all you want about the ultra-Orthodox Jews but they're one of only 3 groups of Whites in the world having huge amounts of kids (the others being polygamous Mormons and 'quiverful' Christians).

    Given the huge complaints people here make about lots of money going to high-breeding low IQ non-Whites you'd think people here might be at least neutral. Oh well.

    Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites? http://www.unz.com/pfrost/young-male-and-single/

    “Should more money go to the non-breeding Whites?”

    Yes. It will stimulate further breeding.

  146. “What is surely improper, and speaks poorly of Steve’s character, is that out of all the big harrassment lawsuits that have gone down in the last year, he chooses to make a big deal of one that he can spin into a bad-Jews-patriotic-gentiles parable.”

    Whoops! Unless I miss my guess, that’s a coded threat. Allow me to translate:

    “Now that you have uttered this remark in print, don’t bother explaining or recanting it, because you’re in our Anti-Semitic Hatemonger filing cabinet forever. Maybe now you’ll learn that every comparison that reflects poorly on us is improper. (Not that it actually matters whether you do or not, because nothing can ever remove you from that filing cabinet.)”

  147. @George
    "East Ramapo is not simply another tale of insufficient funds leaving a poor district marooned. This is a cautionary tale of communal politics and secular political leaders who lack the means or the courage to confront it. Years ago, the Hasidic Jews of Brooklyn — the Satmar, the Bobover and other sects — began their migration here."

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/nyregion/a-school-board-that-overlooks-its-obligation-to-students.html?referrer=

    East Ramapo school district meetings:
    https://m.youtube.com/user/LuckyLouProduction?

    Hikind Lauds Pine Bush Anti-Semitism Settlement But Waits For Justice In Bloomingburg, East Ramapo

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/322745/hikind-lauds-pine-bush-anti-semitism-settlement-but-waits-for-justice-in-bloomingburg-east-ramapo.html

    Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

    Our forefathers gave us government by majority vote with universal suffrage (even illegals can vote). Under normal operation of this system you expect the majority to tax the more productive for their benefit.

    Spring Valley public schools spend $24,256 per pupil. And of course we still need to spend yet more on education, no politician is ever going to say we spend too much. And illegals should be able to attend school too. Why not, it’s free. All by voting.

    Spring Valley is 37% black and 31% hispanic, so the middle class would find it unpleasant to attend. They can pay to go to private school with their after-tax income. If they manage to get a voucher program, it will be declared unconstitutional.

    This is the expected state of nature under a majority vote system. The masses use voting to soak the middle-class for an inflated cost education for blacks and immigrants. Then drive them away to private schools, more money for who’s left.

    But sometimes the bull gores the matador. Here, they have the majority vote and control of the treasury. The soaked becomes the soaker! Vae Victis!

    They don’t attend the public school, so cut it’s budget. The article screams bloody murder about the budget cuts, and has sob stories about all the programs being shut down, but if you look up the details you find:

    A Not-So-Simple Majority
    During the five years that East Ramapo was making its biggest cuts, all of the normal neighboring school districts raised their property taxes by an average of more than 25% just to get by. During the same five years in East Ramapo, the Hasidic-controlled board raised taxes by just 9%.

    During the last 10 years, every comparable school district in the county grew its budget by an average of 50%. East Ramapo’s budget grew by 33%.

    Budget “cuts”. But at least it’s something. East Ramapo Spending per pupil 2014-15 is $24,256.

    They have a strategy other than white flight. With their non-individualism they can colonize bad neighborhoods, get control of the school board and “lower” local taxes (or not increase as much). If they come off as pushy and mean, it’s because they have to interact on a daily basis with minorities who are mad at them for daring to reduce thier socialist wealth-transfer.

  148. @WhatEvvs
    Yeah. The comparison between the paltriness of the firefighters' settlement and the relative generosity of the fake anti-Semitism is one of those things that Steve uses to Jewbait but on analysis it doesn't stand up. You have to drill down into the specifics of the decisions. Not that I support the Satmars, I don't, but comparing the two is bogus.

    Another thing, Steve's love for "normal American Jews" depends on context. "Normal American Jews" are also -- in his world -- at the forefront of all the liberal stuff that Steve thinks is killing America. I think it's really a case of super-assimilation. "Normal American Jews" have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals. But I know that's not a popular opinion here. "Normal American Jews" w/a TFR of 1.43 per woman will soon be a thing of the past.

    Orthodox Jews whatever their faults are a great example of super-affordable family formation. The rest of us should take a look at what they are doing right, as in the case of Hispanics who have very low infant mortality rates, and see if one can replicate their results in a normal population. Maybe not, but it's worth a try.

    “Normal American Jews” have assimilated to Yankee Protestant mores, and in typical Jewish fashion (see Moses Mendelsohn) out-Prot the originals.

    What an odd phenomenon that both groups end up supporting an ideology that is good for the Jews and bad for the Yankee Protestants!

    And you say the Protestants came up with the idea? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

  149. @Zach
    Nothing like the Huffington Post for providing material:

    Headline: "White Identity Offers Bland Nothingness or Racism -- An Inclusive American Identity Is the Answer"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/white-identity-offers-bla_b_7695138.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    We can see this nothingness in a Utah baseball team’s “Caucasian Heritage Night,” which was to consist of eating hamburgers with mayonnaise on Wonder Bread, jumping (presumably because white men famously “can’t”), and watching “Friends.”

    Interesting…..Of course, if I were organizing a “White Night,” the program would be a bit different:

    Food: Roast beef

    Sport: Football, soccer, rugby, basketball, baseball, cricket, etc (all invented by White Anglos)

    Entertainment: Shakespeare, perhaps Henry IV, Part One (my personal favorite)

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "Henry IV, Part One (my personal favorite)"

    What excellent taste you have! (I.e.: how closely your taste agrees with mine!)

    Act II Scene iv is the greatest piece of high comedy ever written, by anybody, in any language.
  150. @Mike Sylwester

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran’s writing, for the most part, but when he’d get on the “Who was Shakespeare really?” kick my eyes glazed over.
     
    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Sobran studied Shakespeare seriously since he was a teenager. He wrote about the identity issue for many years before he published his book.

    This was not some "kick" of his. It was the main interest of his intellectual life.

    I assume that you are not interested in the issue and never read the book. If so, then I suggest that you not criticize the book.

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti.

    Those in the know know it was ghosted by an Exeter alumnus in a Connecticut mansion.

    • Replies: @5371
    +
    , @vinteuil
    "Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti."

    Heh - that's funny.

    But non entirely fair - as I recall, Sobran's argument depends mainly on the undeniably weird congruence between what we know of the life of the 17th Earl of Oxford and seemingly autobiographical elements in the Sonnets, plus some of the plays.
  151. @ic1000
    "This American Life" devoted the Sept. 14, 2014 show to the Hasidim-Secular conflict over school budgets and school board elections in Spring Valley, NY. That's about an hour south of Pine Bush, NY -- different community, but many similar themes. It's a good listen.

    Be sure to go to Failed Messiah, too. It is ground zero for the secular v. Haredi wars (which are just the latest battle in the 200 year old Jewish civil war called the “Haskala”). NPR, like most liberal mouthpieces, tries to paper over the Jew v. Jew struggles. Failed Messiah has been following the Rockland County school wars as well as haredi attempts to take over the school districts, towns and villages for several years now.

  152. @slumber_j

    Most of the prominent ones are Anglo-Irish i.e. English.
     
    Most? Well, perhaps, depending on who's counting. But what of the very many--among them the most famous--who aren't?

    In any case, the original comment made no sense as written.

    It makes plenty of sense: Ireland is traditionally not regarded as an arts powerhouse. It has been distinguished in literature, a subset of the arts, specifically in English literature written largely by English people.

  153. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Casey
    well I was counting six generics that show up in ireland, there are five plus one more if count deford which is gaelic french. you didn't even know rose was an Irish name? Heyzeus. I would bet fifteen of them say they have Irish blood in them if ghosts speak tho. Men with Irish names don't not know where they're from, to a man. In the coming future they will be waking up to that more fully, and then its a matter of a pilgrimage, and the right music, and suddenly America will have a race of fighting poets who won't do things like the jews do things, because something tells me the jews are about to take a bath in the art world. And I'll be filthy in Dublin watching it all.

    Irish surnames refer to those names unique to or originating in Ireland. English or Norman surnames that the Irish may have today aren’t themselves Irish surnames.

    As far as I can tell, none of those names are Irish, except possibly McKee, which may actually be more of a Scottish and Scots-Irish name.

  154. @syonredux

    We can see this nothingness in a Utah baseball team's "Caucasian Heritage Night," which was to consist of eating hamburgers with mayonnaise on Wonder Bread, jumping (presumably because white men famously "can't"), and watching "Friends."
     
    Interesting.....Of course, if I were organizing a "White Night," the program would be a bit different:

    Food: Roast beef

    Sport: Football, soccer, rugby, basketball, baseball, cricket, etc (all invented by White Anglos)

    Entertainment: Shakespeare, perhaps Henry IV, Part One (my personal favorite)

    “Henry IV, Part One (my personal favorite)”

    What excellent taste you have! (I.e.: how closely your taste agrees with mine!)

    Act II Scene iv is the greatest piece of high comedy ever written, by anybody, in any language.

  155. @Reg Cæsar

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

     

    Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti.

    Those in the know know it was ghosted by an Exeter alumnus in a Connecticut mansion.

    +

  156. @Reg Cæsar

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

     

    Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti.

    Those in the know know it was ghosted by an Exeter alumnus in a Connecticut mansion.

    “Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti.”

    Heh – that’s funny.

    But non entirely fair – as I recall, Sobran’s argument depends mainly on the undeniably weird congruence between what we know of the life of the 17th Earl of Oxford and seemingly autobiographical elements in the Sonnets, plus some of the plays.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    And, also in fairness to Sobran, he was the rare Oxfordian who conceded that young Will may very well have gotten a first-rate classical education in Stratford. Joe just didn't care; it didn't affect his case.

    You can cherry-pick "congruences" from anyone's life to fit the plays. I'm sure the champions of Bacon, Marlowe, Elizabeth, Raleigh, Rutland and Derby are busy doing the same. Oxford finished below most, if not all, of them on the Claremont Shakespeare Project's data-driven analysis, the results of which reinforced traditional scholarship.
  157. @Zach
    The Coen Brothers have always liked the detective novels of Raymond Chandler ("The Big Lebowski" title was taken from "The Big Sleep") and Dashiell Hammett, whose "Glass Key" and "Red Harvest" were used for "Miller's Crossing." Although I've liked some of their films, often the best thing about a Coen Brothers film is the soundtrack or the way that they send you back to the source material for the film.

    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits? I’ve never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They talk about their debts to Hammett, Chandler, and Cain all the time.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits? I’ve never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

     

    The Literary Influence Guild doesn't have the clout of the SAG, DGA, or even the WGAW. So their members aren't listed in any film's credits
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits?"

    I don't think that Sergio Leone, Akira Kurosawa, or Walter Hill did either. Like the Coen Brothers with "Miller's Crossing", they all made movies based on Hammett's story "Red Harvest". They were all based on the central idea behind "Red Harvest" - they were not however "Red Harvest".
  158. @Mike Sylwester

    Like his classic, Alias Shakespeare? I was a fan of Sobran’s writing, for the most part, but when he’d get on the “Who was Shakespeare really?” kick my eyes glazed over.
     
    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Sobran studied Shakespeare seriously since he was a teenager. He wrote about the identity issue for many years before he published his book.

    This was not some "kick" of his. It was the main interest of his intellectual life.

    I assume that you are not interested in the issue and never read the book. If so, then I suggest that you not criticize the book.

    Alias Shakespeare is a superb book.

    Sobran’s arguments convinced me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt actually wrote all the songs credited to Irving Berlin. Or, should I say, “Irving Berlin”?

  159. @Justpassingby
    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films' credits? I've never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

    They talk about their debts to Hammett, Chandler, and Cain all the time.

  160. No one hates Jews as much as other Jews.

    Reminds me of Groundskeeper Willie on Scots.

  161. @Justpassingby
    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films' credits? I've never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits? I’ve never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

    The Literary Influence Guild doesn’t have the clout of the SAG, DGA, or even the WGAW. So their members aren’t listed in any film’s credits

  162. @vinteuil
    "Therefore only a fool could believe it was written by a poor kid from Ypsilanti."

    Heh - that's funny.

    But non entirely fair - as I recall, Sobran's argument depends mainly on the undeniably weird congruence between what we know of the life of the 17th Earl of Oxford and seemingly autobiographical elements in the Sonnets, plus some of the plays.

    And, also in fairness to Sobran, he was the rare Oxfordian who conceded that young Will may very well have gotten a first-rate classical education in Stratford. Joe just didn’t care; it didn’t affect his case.

    You can cherry-pick “congruences” from anyone’s life to fit the plays. I’m sure the champions of Bacon, Marlowe, Elizabeth, Raleigh, Rutland and Derby are busy doing the same. Oxford finished below most, if not all, of them on the Claremont Shakespeare Project’s data-driven analysis, the results of which reinforced traditional scholarship.

  163. @Justpassingby
    Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films' credits? I've never seen them do it, and as a result have little respect for them.

    “Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits?”

    I don’t think that Sergio Leone, Akira Kurosawa, or Walter Hill did either. Like the Coen Brothers with “Miller’s Crossing”, they all made movies based on Hammett’s story “Red Harvest”. They were all based on the central idea behind “Red Harvest” – they were not however “Red Harvest”.

    • Replies: @Justpassingby
    “Miller’s Crossing” is basically Hammett's "The Glass Key" but with just enough changes that no mention in the title credits need be given to its author. How convenient.
  164. Rob says:

    OK, these firefighters’ names.

    English: Ashcraft, Carter, Marsh, Norris, Parker, Rose, Steed, Thurston
    Scottish: Caldwell, MacKenzie
    Irish: McKee
    German: Misner, Warneke, Zuppinger
    French: Deford
    Polish: Woyjeck
    Don’t know: Percin, Turbyfill, Whitted. (Turbyfill sounds like D’Urberville, so French/Normab, maybe with a stopover in England or Ireland. Percin could be Irish but it could be lots of other things. Whitted looks likeliest to be English but I’ve never seen it before.)

    That’s my take anyway. Obviously there are many English names present in Ireland, so some of the ones I’ve identified as English could have a proximate origin in Ireland. But that’s shifting the goalposts. If a proud Englishman called O’Shaughnessy settled in the USA I very much doubt that the Wikipedia editors of the future would be crediting his distinguished offspring as anything but ‘Irish-American’.

    McKee is highly likely to be Irish as opposed to Scottish. The double-e is the clue – the Scottish equivalent of the name would be spelt -ie.

    Deford could conceivably be Norman-Irish, but it could equally be Norman-English, French, or even a version of the English place name Defford.

    Rose could be an Irish name – there are many monosyllabic names with completely separate origins in England and Ireland whose spellings have converged – but it is a common English surname and it seems tendentious to presume an Irish origin when an English one is equally possible, and statistically somewhat more likely.

    Pat seems to be grabbing at every English-sounding name on the list and planting an Irish flag in it. Behaviour I’ve seen many times before, but it’s still annoying.

  165. @Mr. Anon
    "Have the Coen Bros ever listed Hammett or Chandler in their films’ credits?"

    I don't think that Sergio Leone, Akira Kurosawa, or Walter Hill did either. Like the Coen Brothers with "Miller's Crossing", they all made movies based on Hammett's story "Red Harvest". They were all based on the central idea behind "Red Harvest" - they were not however "Red Harvest".

    “Miller’s Crossing” is basically Hammett’s “The Glass Key” but with just enough changes that no mention in the title credits need be given to its author. How convenient.

  166. What an odd phenomenon that both groups end up supporting an ideology that is good for the Jews and bad for the Yankee Protestants!

    And you say the Protestants came up with the idea? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

    Indeed. Sort of how White leftists and Jews have very pro-Jewish takes on the Palestinian-Jewish conflict, despite the fact that their supposed leftism would normally indicate support for the less-white and the underdog in any given situation. But I’m sure it was all the White leftists’ idea. Because Jews, being so brilliant and wealthy, lack any agency (that can ever result in something bad).

    No one is allowed to hate Jews as much as other Jews are.

    FIFY.

    I don’t think that Sergio Leone, Akira Kurosawa, or Walter Hill did either. Like the Coen Brothers with “Miller’s Crossing”, they all made movies based on Hammett’s story “Red Harvest”. They were all based on the central idea behind “Red Harvest” – they were not however “Red Harvest”.

    Walter Hill was too busy crediting Kurosawa’s story (borrowed from Hammet) to remember to credit Hammet, I guess.

  167. @Anonymous
    "What’s incongruous here is that the same people who are bending themselves into pretzels to deny there is any such thing as antisemitism, come here to find a supportive environment to unburden themselves of their raw animus against Jews."

    "Raw animus", or simply critical/negative opinions? I can make critical comments about western civilization/English people/my own family/myself without feeling anything approaching hate towards any of them.

    Maybe you (plural) should acknowledge the fact that criticism =/= hate. Is there no merit to any of the non-complimentary comments posted on this thread?

    Maybe you (plural) should acknowledge the fact that criticism =/= hate

    Here’s a handy rule of thumb, when it comes to recognizing what’s honest criticism, and what isn’t: if I said it to your face, about your mother, would you want to punch me in the face?

  168. Here’s a handy rule of thumb, when it comes to recognizing what’s honest criticism, and what isn’t: if I said it to your face, about your mother, would you want to punch me in the face?

    Your rule sucks.

  169. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Harry

    Note that although he refers to synagogues several times in the text, he leaves synagogues off from his list….
     
    Oh please. Would you ruin a perfectly good alliteration just to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism?

    (On second thought... as it becomes increasingly unpredictable where and why the SJW shitstorm show will strike next, knowing how to avoid suspicion of insufficient anti-semitism could become a crucial survival skill any minute now...)

    OK. I didn’t notice the alliteration.

  170. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Big Bill
    Nice try, guys.

    By some reasonable (dissident haredi Jewish) estimates, 80% of NY/NJ black hat Jews are on welfare. How else could it be when the black hat ne plus ultra lifestyle is to hang out with the guys all day in the local kollel [adult Jewish guy religious school], while banging out a house full of kids and sending the wife off to work to make a few bucks for the family.

    Make regular trips to the Failed Messiah website and find out what is really going on with the welfare scams, kidnappings and beatings, bought-off NYC politicians cops and prosecutors, and child molestation cover ups.

    Failed Messiah is a website by and for assimilated Jews who know the black hat community intimately, and how anti-liberal it is.

    If their lifestyle is "super affordable" and worthy of emulation, so is the lifestyle of the ghetto baby daddy with ten kids, and for the same reasons: other people's money. Plus unremitting religious, cultural, social, and racial segregation.

    Guys? No, there’s only one of us here, and I don’t even belong to a synagogue.

    Absolutely, the ultra-Orthodox use the welfare system (here and in Israel) to support their enormous families. But if you think that that is the only reason for their extreme reproductive success, I doubt that anything I can say will convince you otherwise.

    But I’ll try, just once to explain the process.

    Judaism is a conservative West Asian religion that reveres fertility, categorically forbids homosexuality, and which facilitates the formation of families to perpetuate itself. Duh. When Jews assimilate, their world cracks up and they become infected with the liberal attitudes of the dominant society. Being a small group, the memes go viral much more readily than in a large population, so they become a breeding ground for insanity. Then anti-Semites like Svigor, too stupid and twisted with hate to see where the idea originate, blame Jews for their dissemination.

    Now I will go on to more profitable pursuits, such as manipulating Wall Street and making dirty movies that corrupt pure Christian morality. And selling food that makes Christians obese.

  171. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Pat Casey
    Oh you have to drill down into the specifics? Wow thats some analysis I guess. Wait what? Yeah you drill down into the specifics of torts and you see how common sense ceases to exist. And Oh Steve Jewbates now? Or do Jews bate by no brooking bad coverage? Jebus? I thought he was still toeing the line on gay-bating. Why don't you not throw that out there in an otherwise calm manner so that new readers don't think Steve is an idiot anti-semite. Like me for instance.

    If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people.

    When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores? Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?

    “Oh you have to drill down into the specifics?”
    Yes, you always do.

    “Wow thats some analysis I guess.”
    Did you learn to read and write in a school that hates commas and apostrophes?

    “And Oh Steve Jewbates now?”
    Yes, Oh Steve Jewbates quite a lot. I notice he goes in cycles. Something sets him off and then it’s 10 posts on something some Jew has done, or he writes about an obscure article in the JTA. I doubt any Jew under the age of 60 reads the JTA. It’s a bunch of 85 year olds and Steve.

    “If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people.”
    I can’t think of a rational response to this. But it’s funny, so I’ll re-quote you.

    “When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores?”
    Your use of the lower case “j” here can’t be anti-Semitic, because you are similarly lazy with the Yankee Protestants. I have a bit of free advice. If you write like a retard, no one will take you seriously. And you make your buddies look like idiots. Oh wait….

    “Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?”
    Look, I realize that there’s no point in trying to teach anything to a low-grade palooka (I’m sure your teachers tried hard to teach you commas, apostrophes, and capitalizing proper nouns) but I think Steve reads these comments, and I still have a residual kind of respect for him, so here goes.

    “Normal American Jews” live in a normal world. They go to normal American schools, normal American universities, work normal American jobs, speak normal American English. Of course, perverts like you and Svigor can always tell hoozaJoo, but Steve is too smart for that. He knows that ain’t the way it works. There are hundreds of thousands of us, we look just like you (that Italian blood, see under: G. Cochran), blue eyes, normal noses, etc., etc.

    And we assmilate. We marry Christians. The religion has no meaning to us. All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American – please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.

    OK, now I gotta go and poison a few wells.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    I do not respect blog commenters who are punctilious about punctuation. I like the phrase "low-grade palooka" so I'll concede the point. I don't know who Svigor is, and I did not know that you are a Jew (is "prada" Yiddish or sumfin?) I used to be much more of a pervert than I am now, but the attenuation has nothing to do with hoozaJoo, and I would like to get some credit on that count. Please give me credit for not being so much of a pervert anymore. Your residual respect for Steve must be substantial since I see that you comment around here enough. I'm sure Steve has some residual respect for you too. I do not, however.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American – please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.
     
    Hah. "Yankees" are no better nor more creative than Jews at coming up with weird philosophies. Find some more original group to blame.
  172. @WhatEvvs
    "Oh you have to drill down into the specifics?"
    Yes, you always do.

    "Wow thats some analysis I guess."
    Did you learn to read and write in a school that hates commas and apostrophes?

    "And Oh Steve Jewbates now?"
    Yes, Oh Steve Jewbates quite a lot. I notice he goes in cycles. Something sets him off and then it's 10 posts on something some Jew has done, or he writes about an obscure article in the JTA. I doubt any Jew under the age of 60 reads the JTA. It's a bunch of 85 year olds and Steve.

    "If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people."
    I can't think of a rational response to this. But it's funny, so I'll re-quote you.

    "When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores?"
    Your use of the lower case "j" here can't be anti-Semitic, because you are similarly lazy with the Yankee Protestants. I have a bit of free advice. If you write like a retard, no one will take you seriously. And you make your buddies look like idiots. Oh wait....

    "Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?"
    Look, I realize that there's no point in trying to teach anything to a low-grade palooka (I'm sure your teachers tried hard to teach you commas, apostrophes, and capitalizing proper nouns) but I think Steve reads these comments, and I still have a residual kind of respect for him, so here goes.

    "Normal American Jews" live in a normal world. They go to normal American schools, normal American universities, work normal American jobs, speak normal American English. Of course, perverts like you and Svigor can always tell hoozaJoo, but Steve is too smart for that. He knows that ain't the way it works. There are hundreds of thousands of us, we look just like you (that Italian blood, see under: G. Cochran), blue eyes, normal noses, etc., etc.

    And we assmilate. We marry Christians. The religion has no meaning to us. All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American - please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.

    OK, now I gotta go and poison a few wells.

    I do not respect blog commenters who are punctilious about punctuation. I like the phrase “low-grade palooka” so I’ll concede the point. I don’t know who Svigor is, and I did not know that you are a Jew (is “prada” Yiddish or sumfin?) I used to be much more of a pervert than I am now, but the attenuation has nothing to do with hoozaJoo, and I would like to get some credit on that count. Please give me credit for not being so much of a pervert anymore. Your residual respect for Steve must be substantial since I see that you comment around here enough. I’m sure Steve has some residual respect for you too. I do not, however.

  173. @WhatEvvs
    "Oh you have to drill down into the specifics?"
    Yes, you always do.

    "Wow thats some analysis I guess."
    Did you learn to read and write in a school that hates commas and apostrophes?

    "And Oh Steve Jewbates now?"
    Yes, Oh Steve Jewbates quite a lot. I notice he goes in cycles. Something sets him off and then it's 10 posts on something some Jew has done, or he writes about an obscure article in the JTA. I doubt any Jew under the age of 60 reads the JTA. It's a bunch of 85 year olds and Steve.

    "If Steve loves anybody, as far as I can see, its people like Donald Sterling, and Haven Monahan. I think what you mean is that Steve is A-OK with normal people."
    I can't think of a rational response to this. But it's funny, so I'll re-quote you.

    "When/where/how did these american jews ever so well learn the yankee protestant mores?"
    Your use of the lower case "j" here can't be anti-Semitic, because you are similarly lazy with the Yankee Protestants. I have a bit of free advice. If you write like a retard, no one will take you seriously. And you make your buddies look like idiots. Oh wait....

    "Same country clubs? corporations? fraternities? religious? bars? maybe they got invited to a lot of weddings. Seriously what the hell are you talking about, seriously?"
    Look, I realize that there's no point in trying to teach anything to a low-grade palooka (I'm sure your teachers tried hard to teach you commas, apostrophes, and capitalizing proper nouns) but I think Steve reads these comments, and I still have a residual kind of respect for him, so here goes.

    "Normal American Jews" live in a normal world. They go to normal American schools, normal American universities, work normal American jobs, speak normal American English. Of course, perverts like you and Svigor can always tell hoozaJoo, but Steve is too smart for that. He knows that ain't the way it works. There are hundreds of thousands of us, we look just like you (that Italian blood, see under: G. Cochran), blue eyes, normal noses, etc., etc.

    And we assmilate. We marry Christians. The religion has no meaning to us. All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American - please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.

    OK, now I gotta go and poison a few wells.

    All of the ideas that liberal Jews, all of them, come from Yankee Protestant American – please read American Nations, those of you who have library cards.

    Hah. “Yankees” are no better nor more creative than Jews at coming up with weird philosophies. Find some more original group to blame.

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