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Here’s an editorial from The Guardian. This is not an op-ed by some random social justice jihadi, like the similar excoriation of Taylor Swift’s whiteness that Buzzfeed ran a couple of weeks ago, this is an editorial representing the official stance of Britain’s leading left-of-center broadsheet on the Taylor Swift Question:

The Guardian view on Taylor Swift: an envoy for Trump’s values?

Editorial

The world’s biggest pop star is not simply a product of the age but seems a messenger for its disturbing spirit

Friday 24 November 2017 14.08 EST

In the year since Donald Trump was elected, the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency.

For example, practically everybody who has labored under Harvey Weinstein has spoken up against Trump. Apparently, Swift must have eluded Harvey’s persuasiveness. Steps must be taken to correct this.

But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star. Her silence is striking, highlighting the parallels between the singer and the president:

Because President Trump is also notorious for his silence, for his refusal to weigh in on political topics?

their adept use of social media to foster a diehard support base; their solipsism; their laser focus on the bottom line; their support among the “alt-right”.

Swift’s songs echo Mr Trump’s obsession with petty score-settling in their repeated references to her celebrity feuds …

As opposed to, say, countless rappers? As opposed to, say, Kanye West?

Mr Trump realised it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign – but Swift worked it out first. For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …

As opposed to, say, Beyonce fans who get irate over Beyonce having won merely 22 Grammys?

… Yet notably her much-publicised “squad” of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin, white and wealthy. In a well-publicised Twitter exchange with rapper Nicki Minaj, she treated the discussion of structural racism as not only incomprehensible, but a way to disempower white people such as herself – though her lawyers have taken action over articles that associate her with the far right, and have taken issue with claims that she has not sufficiently denounced white supremacy.

Actually, it’s okay to be white.

Commenter Tipsy observes:

It’s pretty unnerving when our cultural elites demand Gleichschaltung.

Wikipedia explains:

In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung …, was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, “from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education”.

But, as we all know, the people demanding that the pop singer audibly fall in line politically can’t be doing anything Nazi-like because it’s Swift who has — like, you will notice, Trump — blond hair and is therefore biologically programmed toward being a Nazi.

It’s Science. People with blond hair are Bad, while people with other color hair are Good (except for gingers, who are just sub-human). Don’t you believe in Science?

 
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  1. Her silence is striking…

    But only in our contemporary Scheisskultur.

    How old do you have to be to remember when it was expected that celebrities keep their political opinions to themselves? An expectation that was largely fulfilled.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I don't think that celebs should be expected to be apolitical, but I am definitely sick of this new communist idea that celebs should be expected to be vocal leftists. It would be nice if celebs felt free to be political or to mot be political. It would also be nice for vocal celebs to not be so uniformly shitlibtarded.
    , @anonymous
    "Scheisskultur." Love it!! Ausgezeichnet--not to mention spot on.
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  2. Taylor Swift won’t shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she’s a woman. It is interesting that she hasn’t come out against Trump. But in general it’s pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face. There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she’s pro abortion and a few months after that video came out she started publicly dating a black guy, which is just about the least alt right thing she could possibly do. Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I’m aware of.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Taylor Swift won’t shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she’s a woman
     
    I wonder if she'll be brave enough to talk about how she's being attacked for being a White Anglo woman.....

    But in general it’s pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face.
     
    Are the SJWs any less ridiculous? I mean, here they are, going after Taylor Swift for the crime of being a White woman who has not publicly condemned Donald Trump.....which seems to mean that she's some kind of crypto-AltRight supporter...
    , @Emblematic
    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.
    , @Anonymous

    There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she’s pro abortion
     
    I first heard about Lahren after her pro-abortion comments. Then I saw Lahren once or twice on Fox News* as a guest and she is embarrassingly stupid and articulate (and looks like a stripper). I heard a radio talk show host say Lahren brags about hating books and not reading books. OTOH, Taylor Swift has higher-class looks and has good breeding (her parents are financial executives). Had she not gone into singing and music I could see Swift getting a scholarship to play volleyball at Stanford.

    *Weird because I only watch Tucker, Hannity, and Ingraham. Otherwise I hate Fox News.
    , @gregor
    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned
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  3. Curle says:

    “structural racism” = an imaginary force through which I can contrive imaginary damages.

    “For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers.”

    Like the Grateful Dead?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers.”

    Like the Grateful Dead?
     
    Or Cher, or Eminem, or any number of other recording personalities (I refuse to call Eminem an "artist").
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  4. Usually the scriveners over at the Guardian come across as bitter, prudish, sanctimonious, bigoted, and dull – but this time they have outdone themselves and come across as also painfully jealous of Taylor Swift’s gorgeous looks, musical talent, and spectacular career.

    Swift’s silence has been admirable. Actors and sportsmen are out there to entertain. No one in his right mind needs lectures on good and evil delivered by ultra-privileged twenty-somethings of questionable education and limited sophistication.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    "Actors and sportsmen are out there to entertain."

    Indeed, anyone who does not kneel is surely supporting 'institutional racism'.

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  5. syonredux says:

    Let’s see, the crimethink bestiary: Jamestown, Plymouth, Robert E Lee, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson….and now Taylor Swift…

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    Dear Ms. Swift,
    がんばって!!
    , @Return of Shawn
    Taylor Swift has a slight Sami look about her, particularly her eyes, but also her somewhat wide cheekbones.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Wow. Fourteen words!
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  6. Mr. Anon says:

    In the year since Donald Trump was elected, the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency. But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star. Her silence is striking,………..

    She must issue denunciations. She must………………name names. Give us a name!

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    LOL
    , @Curle
    “the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency.“

    Makes you wonder how many of ‘the united’ heard something like this appeal from an agent: Producer X really hates Trump and has an opening in his new film, he might take notice if you denounce the guy.
    , @ChrisZ
    The ayatollahs at the Guardian are in danger of getting denunciator's elbow.

    (To my fellow "Curb" fans on iSteve.)
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  7. Mr. Anon says:
    @Curle
    “structural racism” = an imaginary force through which I can contrive imaginary damages.

    “For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers.”

    Like the Grateful Dead?

    “For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers.”

    Like the Grateful Dead?

    Or Cher, or Eminem, or any number of other recording personalities (I refuse to call Eminem an “artist”).

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said "fuck you" not just to Trump but to all Trump's supporters. I guess he's rich enough to not care but that is such an disgusting thing to do regardless.
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  8. syonredux says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    Taylor Swift won't shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she's a woman. It is interesting that she hasn't come out against Trump. But in general it's pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face. There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she's pro abortion and a few months after that video came out she started publicly dating a black guy, which is just about the least alt right thing she could possibly do. Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I'm aware of.

    Taylor Swift won’t shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she’s a woman

    I wonder if she’ll be brave enough to talk about how she’s being attacked for being a White Anglo woman…..

    But in general it’s pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face.

    Are the SJWs any less ridiculous? I mean, here they are, going after Taylor Swift for the crime of being a White woman who has not publicly condemned Donald Trump…..which seems to mean that she’s some kind of crypto-AltRight supporter…

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    It doesn't matter how ridiculous SJWs act; they're in power. Behaving in a stupid, embarrassing or evil manner only counts against you when you're not the one holding the lash.
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  9. Komrade J says:

    It’s my impression that Swift is likely a moderate Dem & Hillary supporter, which makes these panicked denunciations even more absurd. Still, Swift’s image is “implicit white identity”, so defending her can be useful for us.

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  10. It’s amazing how the media is trying to bait her into taking a political stand. If she’s anti-Trump, then the media will use that as a cudgel against the current administration. If she’s pro-Trump, she instantly becomes the new Emmanuel Goldstein, subject to a daily two- minute hate–forever.

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    If she’s pro-Trump, she instantly becomes the new Emmanuel Goldstein, subject to a daily two- minute hate–forever.
     
    That could be useful to us......
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  11. MC says:

    Pedantic correction: Beyonce has won 22 Grammys, not Emmys. I don’t know how many Emmys she’s won but I’m sure it’s not enough.

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  12. Whiskey says: • Website

    No, Steve, its not OK to be White, that’s the message pounded home 24/7. Who reads the Guardian? Transgender Muslims of Color? Nope. White people. Who … wait for it … wait … HATE HATE HATE White people. Taylor Swift for sure, but ordinary White people who buy her music (mostly ordinary White girls and women) most definitely.

    At least part of this is a growing sense among White leftists that the People of Color are going to be taking over real soon now, witness Silicon Valley having an employee base that is at least 57% foreign, and mostly non-White in the domestic base I assume. Thus the need to curry favor with Beyonce’s fans who they assume will be running things and putting people into Gulags on the basis of lack of melanin.

    We are rapidly sliding into Civil War when even a boring and trivial figure like Taylor Swift causes rage in the GUARDIAN over being “Aggressively White” or some such thing. Think: more and more non-Whites are going to demand White people hand over: jobs, property, opportunities, rights, women. That’s begging for a fight, one that while it will have the unanimous support of: government, media, universities, the military, the courts, etc. is going to be awful and bloody. Since it is likely to be sudden not gradual. Imagine President Kamala Harris demanding all White men be fired. And replaced by Vibrant People of Color (and a few White women).

    Whites won’t fight over Taylor Swift getting a bum rush by Kanye West at the VMAs. They will when they face being homeless in the streets. They won’t have much to lose. Its not as if Whites are very good at killing lots of people in very organized ways. Our elites are stupid, as stupid in their own way as drunken Boris Yeltsin or tingles uber alles Merkel.

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  13. Tipsy says:

    It’s pretty unnerving when our cultural elites demand Gleichschaltung.

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    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]
    , @Steve Sailer
    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]
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  14. TheBoom says:

    So they want her to Swift gloat Trump?

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    Good one
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  15. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: An interesting development in a recent shooting in Baltimore:

    Slain Baltimore detective was to testify in case of indicted officers

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  16. syonredux says:
    @Percy Gryce
    It's amazing how the media is trying to bait her into taking a political stand. If she's anti-Trump, then the media will use that as a cudgel against the current administration. If she's pro-Trump, she instantly becomes the new Emmanuel Goldstein, subject to a daily two- minute hate--forever.

    If she’s pro-Trump, she instantly becomes the new Emmanuel Goldstein, subject to a daily two- minute hate–forever.

    That could be useful to us……

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  17. Please continue to red pill another generation of women, leftists. Thank you.

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    Please continue to red pill another generation of women, leftists. Thank you.
     
    Yeah, you'd like to think this but I'm not buying it. I don't know or know of any significant number of young single women who are red-pilled, especially not Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift may or may not be terminally solipsist herself, but she certainly encourages that among her fanbase.

    For all the middle-school/high-school Tiffanys and Ericas out there, it's all about their boyfriends, their crushes, their career and educational aspirations, their status on the totem pole of their social circle, etc., etc. If Taylor Swift has done anything at all positive, it's that those girls can appreciate that the racial maumau-ing doesn't have to derail any of that.

    But even that only works to a point. Depending on developments it could very well be that the path of least resistance to maintaining good social standing is simply to go along with the SJW tide.

    It's much more important that women have stable, hetero monogamous relationships with men of similar ambition. Those are the women who are going to be invested in the wellbeing of their men. Among other things, those are the women who voted for Trump.

    For that, you need to be able to convince young women that unless they can find a suitable man asap, they are going to be alone with their cats for the rest of their lives. Whatever else can be said about Taylor Swift, she is not going to help with that.
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  18. Steve, how are you feeling about the tax bill that seems designed to force the blue states to get real and stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?

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    Yes, I've never seen so many liberals become outraged that they, making mere hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, might have to pay their "fair share."
    , @bomag

    ...stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?
     
    Too long of a bank shot.

    Fed funding of local activity is a growing part of what gov't does; I'm sure the money will be cycled around to maintain the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.
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  19. @Tipsy
    It's pretty unnerving when our cultural elites demand Gleichschaltung.

    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, “from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education”.[1]

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    According to French L. MacLean, a military historian with several reference books on the Third Reich, Nazi Germany didn't have Political Correctness as known today. No one was allowed to criticize the regime or Hitler personally. Maclean wrote of the Nazi system in these matters:

    "But then it could be brutal. Many people were executed for merely calling Hitler's competence into question. 'Political correctness' (PC) as I define it, is nothing less than one person or group attempting to put a muzzle on someone else - a de facto abridgement of freedom of speech. Were they alive today, the Nazis of the Third Reich would be proud of PC."

    The above is from French L. MacLean's book, "2000 Quotes From Hitler's 1000 - Year Reich."
    , @syonredux
    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She's currently researching the literature that has shaped the "AltRight." According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler ("homophobe and misogynist"), Tolkien (" implicitly pro-White Supremacy"), Kipling ("of course"), and Lovecraft ("Racist and Classist").
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  20. @Tipsy
    It's pretty unnerving when our cultural elites demand Gleichschaltung.

    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, “from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education”.[1]

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    • Replies: @utu
    Russian/Soviet uravnilovka is similar to Gleichschaltung, I think.
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  21. Veracitor says:

    Oooh! Her “much-publicised ‘squad’ of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin…”

    They’re thin! That’s beyond the pale! They inflict social injustice by example wherever they go! What could be more Trumpian than to hang out with Melania Trump instead of Gabourey Sidibe?

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    • Replies: @njguy73

    Oooh! Her “much-publicised ‘squad’ of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin…”
     
    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.
    , @Paul Yarbles
    I guess it would be more virtuous if the Swift Squad were thinly large. Largely large is even better!
    , @2Mintzin1
    "They’re thin! That’s beyond the pale!"

    They're thin AND pale!
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  22. Mr Trump realised it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign – but Swift worked it out first. For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …

    We know Trump is Hitler, so does this mean Swift is Goebbels? Or is it vice versa, since she did it first?

    OMG Taylor Swift is Adolf Hitler!

    I can hear the squad of thin, white models and actors marching now…

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  23. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]

    Russian/Soviet uravnilovka is similar to Gleichschaltung, I think.

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  24. njguy73 says:
    @Veracitor
    Oooh! Her "much-publicised 'squad' of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin..."

    They're thin! That's beyond the pale! They inflict social injustice by example wherever they go! What could be more Trumpian than to hang out with Melania Trump instead of Gabourey Sidibe?

    Oooh! Her “much-publicised ‘squad’ of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin…”

    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

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    And Lena Dunham.
     
    Are you implying that Lena Dunham is "largely thin"?
    , @syonredux

    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

     

    Lena Dunham is a hipster-racist:

    Lena Dunham Reminds Everyone Why Women of Color Don’t Trust Her
     

    Lena Dunham is probably one of the most influential voices in feminism today. Sadly, her feminism has often ended up being painfully and dangerously white. This weekend, Dunham and Jenni Konner released a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, defending Girls writer Murray Miller against the allegation of assault made by actress Aurora Perrineau.
     

    A friend, a man she knew, was accused, and therefore Lena Dunham used her platform to publicly defend him and call Aurora Perrineau, a black woman, a liar.
     

    So, I have a question: How many times does Lena Dunham have to fail women of color before she actually begins to learn? Or more bluntly, how many times does Lena Dunham have to say and do racist sh[**] before white women stop defending her?
     

    We often talk about Taylor Swift and her white female victimhood, but Dunham has this quality in spades.
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/lena-dunham-women-of-color/
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  25. Roger says: • Website

    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?

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    ...Americans voted for Trump
     
    They are the enemies of current Goodthinkers, and need to be taken out. One at a time, if need be; especially the prominent ones.
    , @AndrewR
    Because most leftists today seem to want to want to paint all Trump voters as irredeemably wicked and deserving of the worst fate.
    , @njguy73

    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?
     
    Because we are not a serious country.
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  26. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Every time the left bleats about stuff like this, they just annoy Swift’s legions of young, apolitical fans who then conclude that the left has something wrong with it. This is more likely to turn them rightward instead of leftward. Even Swift is probably getting ticked off about the annoying left who just won’t shut up and leave her alone.

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    My daughter turns thirteen today, God help us. Fortunately, she so far seems to mirror my wife in her kind, calm intelligence.

    Yesterday I told her how several of her anecdotes give me hope for the future. Two examples:

    --Her best friend at school is in the habit of jokingly saying "That's racist" in response to stuff. The other day she did so semi-audibly in the presence of a teacher and was rebuked for it by the teacher in question. (For context, this is at a fancy Catholic girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.)

    --Last year a fellow actress of hers in a school musical production of Godspell regularly said, "Don't assume my gender." She was kidding too, and she's the daughter of an enormously successful and nationally prominent comedian.

    All of these girls adore Taylor Swift. Anyway, I suspect the tide is turning. And when you think about it, why wouldn't it be?

    , @biz
    Alas Swift's fans probably don't read The Guardian, or blogs that make fun of The Guardian, so it will go unnoticed.
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  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I notice the editorial has no byline. My guess is either:

    1) Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman of color, maybe the same one who wrote the recent attack on Swift, but who doesn’t want to get caught doing it again,

    or

    2) Unattractive Jewish guy drooling over Swift but annoyed that he can’t coerce her into going along with his whims–whatever they may be.

    Flip a coin.

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    Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman
     
    Sailer's law of female journalism at work. It holds up remarkably.
    , @El Dato

    For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …
     
    Feels like a woman writing.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    The editor of the Guardian is Katherine Viner. Under her leadership, it’s become more like a buzzfeedy women’s magazine.
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  28. I have been ignoring pop music since 1980 but if all this “she’s-evil-’cause-she’s-white” propaganda keeps up, I might have to find a way to support her. She actually did a short music video with the founders of Black Rifle Coffee Company. This act of defiance alone is enough to earn her a “fatwah” from The Powers That Be.

    Her song “Shake It Off” isn’t really to my taste but she sure is good looking in that video! And she can’t be all bad if she has defied the creepy people who rule over the U.S.A.

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  29. At the end of this video, she says, “I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative.”

    Stretching things a bit, some of this song can be interpreted as a big F-you from a reluctant White icon to those who started the fight in the first place. The song is understood to be her response to Kanye West, but could it not now serve as a response to something bigger?

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    Well, her "Our Song" shows a similar sensibility I suppose, in the way it reflects a desire to collapse ordinary expectations into something else that's perhaps even more personal:

    https://youtu.be/i1gcO0q7kXc
    , @idiots
    A jew wrote that song from Taylor Swift 'Look what you made me do'

    She doesn't write the songs!

    If anything the songs are scary for us....
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  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Taylor is not a strong singer even as compared to the young Marianne Faithfull.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    A live performance videoed from a balcony cannot be compared to a carefully engineered studio recording.

    On a lighter note, see how Taylor is wearing flats so as not to tower over Mick.

    Say what you will, Swift certainly isn't likely to fall into a life of self-destruction and drug addiction the way Faithfull did.

    On the other hand, Taylor Swift will probably never record a song as delightfully dirty as this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmK3PYQnGg
    , @slumber_j
    I dunno. Her intonation is generally reliable, which isn't true of most people.
    , @PiltdownMan
    I know Marianne Faithfull recorded it a couple of years before Mick Jagger, but I do feel the need to establish some kind of baseline. This is one of those songs that Jagger owns.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEAUJgw3YP8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3c2NXJEi2w

    , @ziel
    That video of Taylor getting into the spirit of things in her duet with Mick reminds me of my favorite video of all time - Norah Jones absolutely cowering in fear while duetting with Keith on "Love Hurts":

    https://youtu.be/3yAbOpiAKi8

    Taylor is not who she is because of her vocal skills - she has limited range and is not always pitch-perfect. As Steve pointed out recently, for some reason female pop fans are real obsessed with their idols' technical vocal proficiency, while male fans couldn't care less about that. It seems Taylor's fans are more like that - they're more enchanted with her songs, arrangements and her whole stage presence - similar to Mick.
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  31. slumber_j says:
    @Anon
    Every time the left bleats about stuff like this, they just annoy Swift's legions of young, apolitical fans who then conclude that the left has something wrong with it. This is more likely to turn them rightward instead of leftward. Even Swift is probably getting ticked off about the annoying left who just won't shut up and leave her alone.

    My daughter turns thirteen today, God help us. Fortunately, she so far seems to mirror my wife in her kind, calm intelligence.

    Yesterday I told her how several of her anecdotes give me hope for the future. Two examples:

    –Her best friend at school is in the habit of jokingly saying “That’s racist” in response to stuff. The other day she did so semi-audibly in the presence of a teacher and was rebuked for it by the teacher in question. (For context, this is at a fancy Catholic girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.)

    –Last year a fellow actress of hers in a school musical production of Godspell regularly said, “Don’t assume my gender.” She was kidding too, and she’s the daughter of an enormously successful and nationally prominent comedian.

    All of these girls adore Taylor Swift. Anyway, I suspect the tide is turning. And when you think about it, why wouldn’t it be?

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    I hope you're right, although I suspect it would have to get a lot worse before it gets better
    , @william munny
    I laughed because I have a daughter around the same age and she and her friends say the same things, but we live in a rural area. They say "that's racist" to anything that mentions color in any way, and "don't assume..." for everything that references anyone's or anything's gender. They seem to instinctively understand it is ridiculous, which is better than their predecessor generation. Of course, around here, kids chant "build that wall, make it tall," and Trump stickers are the first things the white high schoolers put on their pickup trucks.
    , @AndrewR
    Wow, so some 0.1% middle schoolers have very mildly transgressive senses of humor. I feel so optimistic now.
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  32. notanon says:

    the media is an anti-white hate group

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  33. @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZvbrCI3oo


    Taylor is not a strong singer even as compared to the young Marianne Faithfull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFNc4j4VZE

    A live performance videoed from a balcony cannot be compared to a carefully engineered studio recording.

    On a lighter note, see how Taylor is wearing flats so as not to tower over Mick.

    Say what you will, Swift certainly isn’t likely to fall into a life of self-destruction and drug addiction the way Faithfull did.

    On the other hand, Taylor Swift will probably never record a song as delightfully dirty as this:

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    That whole album of Faithfull’s was an attempt to go over on Debbie Harry. It backfired. Harry was simply better looking, a better singer, and in 1981, more famous. Ironically in the UK she still is but in the US Faithfull is perhaps better remembered, not for her music, but for her association with The Rolling Stones and l’affaire Mars Bar.
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  34. slumber_j says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    At the end of this video, she says, "I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative."

    Stretching things a bit, some of this song can be interpreted as a big F-you from a reluctant White icon to those who started the fight in the first place. The song is understood to be her response to Kanye West, but could it not now serve as a response to something bigger?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA

    Well, her “Our Song” shows a similar sensibility I suppose, in the way it reflects a desire to collapse ordinary expectations into something else that’s perhaps even more personal:

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    • Replies: @CK
    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?
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  35. slumber_j says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZvbrCI3oo


    Taylor is not a strong singer even as compared to the young Marianne Faithfull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFNc4j4VZE

    I dunno. Her intonation is generally reliable, which isn’t true of most people.

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    "Her intonation is generally reliable, which isn’t true of most people."

    Exactly. She sings on pitch, not under the pitch, which is a lot harder than non-singers realize when you're singing in that breathy style.

    She's no Julee Cruise but who cares? It's been decades since the music industry was more about music than image. Her image as a slim, pretty blonde girl who isn't anti-white is a good thing.

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  36. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Mr Trump realised it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign – but Swift worked it out first.

    Swift’s “core group” was country fans, and she expanded it to the the rest of the universe, so this is 180 degrees backwards. If anything, a similarity Swift and Trump (and every smart pol) have is giving tribute to local luminaries. Swift frequently covers local bands on tour. Here, for example, she covers Utah-based Neon Trees in Salt Lake City:

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  37. The editor-in-chief of The Guardian
    is a person named Katherine Viner.

    Taylor Swift is younger and better looking than Katherine Viner, who was head-girl of her upscale school in England.

    This is not okay.

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    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?
    , @Not Raul
    So some rich toff girl thinks that Swift is a plebeian provincial who doesn't know her place.

    That figures. The rich toff girls in my town are cray for Bey.
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  38. BB753 says:

    I wonder why they forgot to mention that Taylor Swift is also a Russian spy? After all, it goes with the assumed Trump association.

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  39. Thomm says:

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

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    Don't know how you could have missed that, but the general conclusion in the mass media was that Taylor Swift shouldn't have had the mic in the first place, when it was obvious Kanye wanted to say something.

    She only stayed on stage because she was so racist. Hence, racist people felt empowered to vote for Trump, and now we have a Nazi Occupation.

    See how seemingly small things can lead to very large things? This is why any consciousness on the part of white people must be stamped out before it appears.

    , @bomag

    Kanye West interrupted her...
     
    It did get criticism at the time; Kanye apologized by blaming alcohol.

    Things have changed enough that those in power now would probably give him an award for the incident.
    , @syonredux

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.
     
    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.
     

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.
     

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

     

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/
    , @Anon
    He did it to Beck as well. Got himself banned, too.
    , @Alfa158
    “If anything it makes blacks look worse”
    Didn’t know that was even possible. I guess you learn something new every day.
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  40. Bill B. says:

    OT

    A survivor of the Bataclan massacre has committed suicide . He apparently had not been interested in being counseled
    or ‘helped’.

    It occurs to me – without knowing the details – that less let’s-not-blame-Islam and more let’s-crush-these-bastards might have bolstered him somewhat. Bataclan was extremely cruel; something glossed over by the media and the authorities for the sake of social harmony or something.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1226830410794150&id=773211482822714

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    • Replies: @utu
    Mormon missionary, who was caught in three terror attacks, reveals his life was saved in Belgium bombing by an 'angelic' Muslim woman who he has never been able to find

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5115761/Mormon-Muslin-saved-life-terror-attack.html#ixzz4zR0sVgvr

    Best comment: The Forrest Gump of CIA staged terror attacks
    , @AndrewR
    Hundreds of people survived that massacre, and suicide is common enough that one suicide after two years out of hundreds of survivors cannot be reasonably linked to any political response towards the massacre. Yes, the French are cucks towards Islam (albeit not so much by the very low standards of Western Europe), but it is shameful to even suggest his suicide was made more likely by an improper political response to the massacre.
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  41. ugh says:

    Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I’m aware of.

    Well, she did date one of the Kennedy offspring. That’s kind of like dating a black, if you want to get technical about it.

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  42. Schapman says:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/24/the-guardian-view-on-productive-capitalism-it-needs-humans-more-than-robots#comments

    Comment by goinfishin:
    “But what does Taylor Swift think and why doesn’t she tell us? Her silence on robotics shows her contempt for humanity.”

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  43. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Micheal Jordan got similar criticism back in the 90′s, for refusing to utilize his celebrity to advance ‘The Cause’.

    As I recall, his thinking at the time was along the lines of… ‘Hey, Republicans buy sneakers too’

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  44. Since you’re here …

    … we have a small favour to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever but advertising revenues across the media are falling fast …

    If everyone who reads our reporting, who likes it, helps fund it, our future would be much more secure.

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  45. @Mr. Anon

    In the year since Donald Trump was elected, the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency. But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star. Her silence is striking,...........
     
    She must issue denunciations. She must..................name names. Give us a name!

    LOL

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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    A live performance videoed from a balcony cannot be compared to a carefully engineered studio recording.

    On a lighter note, see how Taylor is wearing flats so as not to tower over Mick.

    Say what you will, Swift certainly isn't likely to fall into a life of self-destruction and drug addiction the way Faithfull did.

    On the other hand, Taylor Swift will probably never record a song as delightfully dirty as this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmK3PYQnGg

    That whole album of Faithfull’s was an attempt to go over on Debbie Harry. It backfired. Harry was simply better looking, a better singer, and in 1981, more famous. Ironically in the UK she still is but in the US Faithfull is perhaps better remembered, not for her music, but for her association with The Rolling Stones and l’affaire Mars Bar.

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    Very good unsympathetic interview with La Faithfull.

    she was hell-bent on becoming a junkie from the moment she read The Naked Lunch
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/jul/15/features.magazine
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  47. It’s the complete humorlessness of the grimly ideological left that continues to amaze me. Do they really not get that the “Taylor Swift is a Nazi” meme among us “White Supremacist Extremists” is a good-natured gag? Words fail me.

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  48. OT: The immigration restrictionist Swedish Democrats party has finally taken the gloves off at least in the tone of their campaign ads:

    It is you Social Democrats [center-left party] and you Moderates [center-right party] and you of the Swedish media that continue to create problems for our country. Through your reckless decisions, your inability to evaluate the results of your policies, and above all through your lies you have created the problems that we are all force to live with. You have worked hard to achieve this. People have been murdered and more will continue to be murdered as a result of your policies. You will continue to cover up and lie. The conflict in Sweden is not about the right and the left, rich or poor, man or woman. The conflict is between those who would destroy our country and those who are trying to save it. The conflict is between you and us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40tm2P374w

    This is a very welcome change. Previously they tried to market themselves as yet another “anti-racist” party that just wants to tweak immigration policy a little bit. I hope this is more than just rhetoric.

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    Not everyone is on board with the immigration diversity festival, which is why despite decades of charity work Roger Daltrey is not a knight. A former union sheet metal worker knows what's going on, apparently journalists do not.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10455384/Roger-Daltrey-I-will-never-forgive-Labour-for-their-immigration-policies.html
    , @al gore rhythms
    It's a good advert. I notice that it is very careful not to have any actual footage of the immigrants themselves. Calling out the establishment as liars is a welcome development for which we maybe have Trump to thank.
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  49. Moses says:
    @TheBoom
    So they want her to Swift gloat Trump?

    Good one

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  50. Moses says:
    @Anon
    I notice the editorial has no byline. My guess is either:

    1) Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman of color, maybe the same one who wrote the recent attack on Swift, but who doesn't want to get caught doing it again,

    or

    2) Unattractive Jewish guy drooling over Swift but annoyed that he can't coerce her into going along with his whims--whatever they may be.

    Flip a coin.

    Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman

    Sailer’s law of female journalism at work. It holds up remarkably.

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  51. utu says:
    @Bill B.
    OT

    A survivor of the Bataclan massacre has committed suicide . He apparently had not been interested in being counseled
    or 'helped'.

    It occurs to me - without knowing the details - that less let's-not-blame-Islam and more let's-crush-these-bastards might have bolstered him somewhat. Bataclan was extremely cruel; something glossed over by the media and the authorities for the sake of social harmony or something.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1226830410794150&id=773211482822714

    Mormon missionary, who was caught in three terror attacks, reveals his life was saved in Belgium bombing by an ‘angelic’ Muslim woman who he has never been able to find

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5115761/Mormon-Muslin-saved-life-terror-attack.html#ixzz4zR0sVgvr

    Best comment: The Forrest Gump of CIA staged terror attacks

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  52. eah says:

    OT

    There’s a brouhaha in Canada (not a serious country) at the moment around a graduate student named Lindsay Shepherd (link to twitter) — apparently she showed a video in class of Jordan Peterson debating “gender-neutral pronouns” (or something), which is not up for debate in some academic quarters of Canada — search for more info if interested.

    Audio of her being reprimanded/interrogated/whatever is available:

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    https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/932945789801910272
    , @Clyde

    There’s a brouhaha in Canada (not a serious country) at the moment around a graduate student named Lindsay Shepherd (link to twitter) — apparently she showed a video in class of Jordan Peterson debating “gender-neutral pronouns” (or something), which is not up for debate in some academic quarters of Canada — search for more info if interested.
     
    We should start calling these people crackpots and cranks because this is what they are. With their crackpot theories and crackpot demands.
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  53. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    There's a brouhaha in Canada (not a serious country) at the moment around a graduate student named Lindsay Shepherd (link to twitter) -- apparently she showed a video in class of Jordan Peterson debating "gender-neutral pronouns" (or something), which is not up for debate in some academic quarters of Canada -- search for more info if interested.

    Audio of her being reprimanded/interrogated/whatever is available:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YdFlKaJv4g

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    I know that at some point everyone will just beatdown lefties instead of bothering to argue with their implacable hatred, but until that time ...

    ... this common lefty tic of,


    "You're perfectly welcome to your own opinion, but..."
     
    is where you cut them off:

    "Oh I am? Then we're done here." And leave, or dismiss them, or however you end it.

    Of course the lefty will insist that, wait, "BUT you can't bring it to the classroom" or whatever.

    Which is your cue:

    "Oh, so you were lying about my opinion being perfectly welcome!"

    Then just go on relentless attack mode, "Liar! Hater! Intolerant! Bigoted! Hate crime! Fascist! Nazi! There's no place for your hatred and intolerance at [this institution]!" etc., until they leave crying.

    I know a lot of our sophisticated commentators think this is all worthless "DemsRRealRacists" stuff, and among based/woke Alt-Righters that may be true. Among lefties and even the apolitical middle (i.e., the majority), though, they are extremely sensitive about these perceptions, and so being on the receiving end of these labels is really a shattering experience. Like a Red Guardsman suddenly being on the receiving end of the Cultural Revolution.

    Also, it's great fun.

    , @carol
    Oh no..she cried??

    Fail.
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  54. El Dato says:

    “Taylor Swift” sounds practically the same as “Leni Riefenstahl”.

    If she made movies it would be about Whitey Celebrations.

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    “Taylor Swift” sounds practically the same as “Leni Riefenstahl”.
     
    One of the great tragedies of cinema was that Riefenstahl never got to film a Rolling Stones concert.

    The first Stones gig I actually attended ('Steel Wheels', far from the band's high point, yet still enormously powerful in terms of crowd reaction: I saw them at Arrowhead in Kansas City, where Ted Nugent disturbed dairy operations 20 mile away in the seventies) convinced me of that in the first thirty seconds after the curtain came back.

    I'd seen Hal Ashby's superb Stones concert film in a really fine film house, and thought for all intents and purposes I'd seen the Stones live. But until you're actually there, you haven't. It's not so much about the band as it is about the crowd.

    , @Wally
    Concerning Riefenstahl & the 1936 Olympics in Germany where, BTW, Germany was the overwhelming medals winner ...

    Black American Jesse Owens, after winning his events, said:

    "When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany."
     
    and:

    "Hitler didn't snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."
     
    Hitler and other heads of state were forbidden by Olympic officials from visiting any athletes after their events.
    Hence the lie that Hitler deliberately avoided Owens.

    Jesse Owens was never invited to the White House nor bestowed any honors by Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) or Harry S. Truman during their terms.

    Yet another lie from those that gave us the fake '6M' is debunked.
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  55. “But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star.”

    Maybe not alienating half of the US population plays some part in that. Seriously, the anti-Trump echo chamber seems to think that 95% of the populace hates Trump, and can’t quite seem to grasp that the popular vote, even if it was slightly skewed to Hillary’s camp, still showed nothing that suggests it is in any celebrity’s advantage to be so openly hostile to half the country. Some celebs get it.

    Swift may have started with a bit of an unfair advantange (no, I do not mean her skinny-blonde-white-girl card), but over the past few years she has demonstrated business acumen that is remarkable, and has engendered respect I never would have expected to accord.

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    If you take into account class, the Deplorables account for most of the working and middle classes. The left "woke" division has the affluent blue state types but also many poor/immigrants who aren't the most desirable consumer base as the NFL, Target, Marvel and others have found out. All of this makes Swift an astute businesswoman if she sticks with not jumping on the SJW bandwagon.
    , @anonymous

    slightly skewed to Hillary’s camp,
     
    Was it really "skewed in Hillary's direction" at all? Re-counting after the election repeatedly admitted to voter fraud, always by the Democrats; he also won all the counties in the country, though I'm not sure how that works.
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  56. John Carr says:

    I can’t comment on her music because I don’t listen to it but given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I’d pick.
    Maybe the problems is, horror or horrors, genetic. Maybe Taylor isn’t a descendant of Jonathan. She certainly doesn’t look like one.
    Or maybe her philosophy is, “If I’m forced to chose sides I chose the side that’s not forcing me to chose sides.”

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    Or maybe her philosophy is, “If I’m forced to choose sides I choose the side that’s not forcing me to choose sides. "
     
    That's almost a definition of freedom. Maybe Ms Swift is even better and smarter than we think.
    , @ThreeCranes
    “If I’m forced to chose sides I chose the side that’s not forcing me to chose sides.”

    Ahhh, very good.

    and so was,

    "given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I’d pick."
    , @The Alarmist
    You could always use the Guardian editorials to burn as fuel or as a signal fire, but I would probably pick Swift on the off chance she'd give me the time of day.
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  57. @njguy73

    Oooh! Her “much-publicised ‘squad’ of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin…”
     
    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

    And Lena Dunham.

    Are you implying that Lena Dunham is “largely thin”?

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    I'll settle for just 'largely'.
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  58. El Dato says:
    @Anon
    I notice the editorial has no byline. My guess is either:

    1) Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman of color, maybe the same one who wrote the recent attack on Swift, but who doesn't want to get caught doing it again,

    or

    2) Unattractive Jewish guy drooling over Swift but annoyed that he can't coerce her into going along with his whims--whatever they may be.

    Flip a coin.

    For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …

    Feels like a woman writing.

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    Good spot. No male writer at The Guardian would describe a group of women as "emotional" no matter how apt.
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  59. @Anon
    I notice the editorial has no byline. My guess is either:

    1) Unattractive, jealous leftwing woman of color, maybe the same one who wrote the recent attack on Swift, but who doesn't want to get caught doing it again,

    or

    2) Unattractive Jewish guy drooling over Swift but annoyed that he can't coerce her into going along with his whims--whatever they may be.

    Flip a coin.

    The editor of the Guardian is Katherine Viner. Under her leadership, it’s become more like a buzzfeedy women’s magazine.

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  60. Clyde says:

    Plus Taylor Smith accentuates her whiteness by blonding up her hair, red lipstick and pancake makeup or the modern equivalent that makes her face whiter than her natural skin tone. Off the top of my head she is the most Aryan looking US pop star. Norway might have a few Taylor Smith onlooking ones?
    So idle lefties (w plenty of time on their hands) and multiKultis can hate her more.

    Another one. She seems to only go out with pale Brits and similar.

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    Taylor Swift, not Smith.

    The most Nordic pop star is probably Sweden's Zara Larsson, but I think she's an SJW.

    https://youtu.be/tjeRp1ma2uc
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  61. TheBoom says:
    @The Alarmist

    "But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star."
     
    Maybe not alienating half of the US population plays some part in that. Seriously, the anti-Trump echo chamber seems to think that 95% of the populace hates Trump, and can't quite seem to grasp that the popular vote, even if it was slightly skewed to Hillary's camp, still showed nothing that suggests it is in any celebrity's advantage to be so openly hostile to half the country. Some celebs get it.

    Swift may have started with a bit of an unfair advantange (no, I do not mean her skinny-blonde-white-girl card), but over the past few years she has demonstrated business acumen that is remarkable, and has engendered respect I never would have expected to accord.

    If you take into account class, the Deplorables account for most of the working and middle classes. The left “woke” division has the affluent blue state types but also many poor/immigrants who aren’t the most desirable consumer base as the NFL, Target, Marvel and others have found out. All of this makes Swift an astute businesswoman if she sticks with not jumping on the SJW bandwagon.

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  62. @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZvbrCI3oo


    Taylor is not a strong singer even as compared to the young Marianne Faithfull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFNc4j4VZE

    I know Marianne Faithfull recorded it a couple of years before Mick Jagger, but I do feel the need to establish some kind of baseline. This is one of those songs that Jagger owns.

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    I know Marianne Faithfull recorded it a couple of years before Mick Jagger, but I do feel the need to establish some kind of baseline. This is one of those songs that Jagger owns.
     
    I read this recently. Andrew Loog Oldham saw how beautiful Marianne was as she was going out with Mick Jagger. He told her that we want you to sing and make a hit for us. MF said that she had never sung in her life. Andrew Loog Oldham told her that didn't mean a thing. We will teach you the basics. You are so lovely that it will be a huge hit. Plus that we know how to promote the shit out of it.
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  63. @Guy de Champlagne
    Taylor Swift won't shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she's a woman. It is interesting that she hasn't come out against Trump. But in general it's pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face. There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she's pro abortion and a few months after that video came out she started publicly dating a black guy, which is just about the least alt right thing she could possibly do. Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I'm aware of.

    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.

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    Can she be bisexual? Please?
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    She seems to have been genuinely pissed off and freaked out by a lot of her relationships ending though. Maybe she's just a lesbian who is a control freak? I certainly wouldn't be surprised if she were a lesbian or something along those lines.
    , @Anonymous

    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.
     
    Evidence?
    Photos, credible witnesses, hair between her teeth, anything??

    Everyone knew Joan Jett was a lez within a couple years of her solo career starting.
    Generally, although lesbians are much more discreet than gays (another way lesbians aren't gay, after all) it gets out.

    The Taylor Likes Girls thing just has a different cast to it. Doesn't quite have the ring of versimilitude.

    But then, I'd heard that Debbie Harry went both ways for years before she 'came out' about it. In retrospect it was obvious both from the Goldstein interview and from the pictures of Joan Jett and her in the book and the old Punk magazine photo novellas. OTOH I knew a guy who had demonstrable Lower East Side art creds-his band played CBs several times-he was my age and he said he'd had a short but torrid affair with the old gal, plus there was little doubt her and Chris were common law married (and f***ing like rabbits, notably once they'd been busted in CB's disgusting bathroom) for over a decade and Penn Jillete, after all, invented the Jill-Jet- US Patent 5,920,923, look it up!- after dating her too. So I was skeptical.

    Silly me.
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  64. @slumber_j
    My daughter turns thirteen today, God help us. Fortunately, she so far seems to mirror my wife in her kind, calm intelligence.

    Yesterday I told her how several of her anecdotes give me hope for the future. Two examples:

    --Her best friend at school is in the habit of jokingly saying "That's racist" in response to stuff. The other day she did so semi-audibly in the presence of a teacher and was rebuked for it by the teacher in question. (For context, this is at a fancy Catholic girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.)

    --Last year a fellow actress of hers in a school musical production of Godspell regularly said, "Don't assume my gender." She was kidding too, and she's the daughter of an enormously successful and nationally prominent comedian.

    All of these girls adore Taylor Swift. Anyway, I suspect the tide is turning. And when you think about it, why wouldn't it be?

    I hope you’re right, although I suspect it would have to get a lot worse before it gets better

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  65. Clyde says:
    @eah
    OT

    There's a brouhaha in Canada (not a serious country) at the moment around a graduate student named Lindsay Shepherd (link to twitter) -- apparently she showed a video in class of Jordan Peterson debating "gender-neutral pronouns" (or something), which is not up for debate in some academic quarters of Canada -- search for more info if interested.

    Audio of her being reprimanded/interrogated/whatever is available:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YdFlKaJv4g

    There’s a brouhaha in Canada (not a serious country) at the moment around a graduate student named Lindsay Shepherd (link to twitter) — apparently she showed a video in class of Jordan Peterson debating “gender-neutral pronouns” (or something), which is not up for debate in some academic quarters of Canada — search for more info if interested.

    We should start calling these people crackpots and cranks because this is what they are. With their crackpot theories and crackpot demands.

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  66. Clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan
    I know Marianne Faithfull recorded it a couple of years before Mick Jagger, but I do feel the need to establish some kind of baseline. This is one of those songs that Jagger owns.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEAUJgw3YP8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3c2NXJEi2w

    I know Marianne Faithfull recorded it a couple of years before Mick Jagger, but I do feel the need to establish some kind of baseline. This is one of those songs that Jagger owns.

    I read this recently. Andrew Loog Oldham saw how beautiful Marianne was as she was going out with Mick Jagger. He told her that we want you to sing and make a hit for us. MF said that she had never sung in her life. Andrew Loog Oldham told her that didn’t mean a thing. We will teach you the basics. You are so lovely that it will be a huge hit. Plus that we know how to promote the shit out of it.

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  67. Sam says:

    I hope they keep up these absurd attacks on her. By definition they will push her contingent in a more skeptical and defensive posture. Sort of like gamergate unleashed right wing direction and thought among gamers who otherwise would have been happy just gaming.

    The smartest thing for Swift to do is to keep remaining silent and let the media go crazy.
    The longer she does it and in an obvious way the greater the tension. The greatest thing would be if she starts getting rebuked by other celebrities as well.

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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Taylor Swift’s supposed white supremacist associations remind me of Tommy Hilfiger’s and Gloria Vanderbilt’s (actually didn’t she proclaim her Satanism on TV, if memory serves)

    Makes you wonder what is culturally prestigious nowadays– would it be this Denzel Washington caricature of the soul shyster with the big fro– It’s some kind of black-hipster social movie, 54% “rotten” on the Tomato-meter… Or 54% funky fresh, who knows, who cares

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  69. midtown says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Steve, how are you feeling about the tax bill that seems designed to force the blue states to get real and stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?

    Yes, I’ve never seen so many liberals become outraged that they, making mere hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, might have to pay their “fair share.”

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  70. @eah
    https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/932945789801910272

    I know that at some point everyone will just beatdown lefties instead of bothering to argue with their implacable hatred, but until that time …

    … this common lefty tic of,

    “You’re perfectly welcome to your own opinion, but…”

    is where you cut them off:

    “Oh I am? Then we’re done here.” And leave, or dismiss them, or however you end it.

    Of course the lefty will insist that, wait, “BUT you can’t bring it to the classroom” or whatever.

    Which is your cue:

    “Oh, so you were lying about my opinion being perfectly welcome!”

    Then just go on relentless attack mode, “Liar! Hater! Intolerant! Bigoted! Hate crime! Fascist! Nazi! There’s no place for your hatred and intolerance at [this institution]!” etc., until they leave crying.

    I know a lot of our sophisticated commentators think this is all worthless “DemsRRealRacists” stuff, and among based/woke Alt-Righters that may be true. Among lefties and even the apolitical middle (i.e., the majority), though, they are extremely sensitive about these perceptions, and so being on the receiving end of these labels is really a shattering experience. Like a Red Guardsman suddenly being on the receiving end of the Cultural Revolution.

    Also, it’s great fun.

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    Generally agree here that our side needs to go on the attack more.

    But pointing out the hypocrisy of their side doesn't slow them down.

    Are we even getting a debate? Look at this clip: it is just a SJW lecturing about Hitler and white supremacy. He is just chanting religious dogma: do it my way, or the Devil (Hitler) takes over.

    Their initial premise of "it's my way or Hitler" needs to be attacked.
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  71. @Veracitor
    Oooh! Her "much-publicised 'squad' of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin..."

    They're thin! That's beyond the pale! They inflict social injustice by example wherever they go! What could be more Trumpian than to hang out with Melania Trump instead of Gabourey Sidibe?

    I guess it would be more virtuous if the Swift Squad were thinly large. Largely large is even better!

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  72. @slumber_j
    My daughter turns thirteen today, God help us. Fortunately, she so far seems to mirror my wife in her kind, calm intelligence.

    Yesterday I told her how several of her anecdotes give me hope for the future. Two examples:

    --Her best friend at school is in the habit of jokingly saying "That's racist" in response to stuff. The other day she did so semi-audibly in the presence of a teacher and was rebuked for it by the teacher in question. (For context, this is at a fancy Catholic girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.)

    --Last year a fellow actress of hers in a school musical production of Godspell regularly said, "Don't assume my gender." She was kidding too, and she's the daughter of an enormously successful and nationally prominent comedian.

    All of these girls adore Taylor Swift. Anyway, I suspect the tide is turning. And when you think about it, why wouldn't it be?

    I laughed because I have a daughter around the same age and she and her friends say the same things, but we live in a rural area. They say “that’s racist” to anything that mentions color in any way, and “don’t assume…” for everything that references anyone’s or anything’s gender. They seem to instinctively understand it is ridiculous, which is better than their predecessor generation. Of course, around here, kids chant “build that wall, make it tall,” and Trump stickers are the first things the white high schoolers put on their pickup trucks.

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    Where do you live and are there any vacancies?
    , @slumber_j
    Thanks. That's even more encouraging.
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  73. Lex says:

    OT

    WaPo running out of arguments against Poland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/polands-kaczynski-reads-a-book-about-cats-in-parliament/2017/11/24/bea038a8-d0fb-11e7-a87b-47f14b73162a_story.html?utm_term=.802f398f669a

    Poland’s Kaczynski reads book about cats in parliament

    WARSAW, Poland — Poland’s most powerful politician openly read a book about cats during a session of parliament Friday

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    They figure he probably eats cats as a delicacy.
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  74. dr kill says:

    I can’t decide if she’s a beauty or not, but she’s thin and white, a very good start. But she’s no Kate Beckinsale.

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  75. CK says:
    @slumber_j
    Well, her "Our Song" shows a similar sensibility I suppose, in the way it reflects a desire to collapse ordinary expectations into something else that's perhaps even more personal:

    https://youtu.be/i1gcO0q7kXc

    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?

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    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?
     
    Makes other women feel bad about themselves.
    , @Corn
    It would be nice if she married and had a few kids. Demography is destiny.
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  76. Pericles says:

    The Guardian’s View on Taylor Swift: Like, A Question? Because the views of this paper are basically passive-aggressive anti-white BS.

    [TO BE FILLED WITH CONTENT]

    Editorial note: This editorial was not written by Kanye West, but may have been dictated by the same.

    The Guardian is a collective of foolish yet nasty people who have taken control of a great historic endowment of money in order to demoralize white people. Please donate to support their efforts!

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  77. @Thomm
    I didn't know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    Don’t know how you could have missed that, but the general conclusion in the mass media was that Taylor Swift shouldn’t have had the mic in the first place, when it was obvious Kanye wanted to say something.

    She only stayed on stage because she was so racist. Hence, racist people felt empowered to vote for Trump, and now we have a Nazi Occupation.

    See how seemingly small things can lead to very large things? This is why any consciousness on the part of white people must be stamped out before it appears.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Nixon talks with Moynihan for 25 minutes about race, IQ, etc. Pretty interesting. They both know RACE is real, differences are real, but seem to feel we must pretend otherwise to the public. Basically, lie to us. I think the policy of dishonesty has been disastrous.

    The feelgood honorable lie does more damage than facing the truth.

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  79. Pericles says:
    @englishmike

    And Lena Dunham.
     
    Are you implying that Lena Dunham is "largely thin"?

    I’ll settle for just ‘largely’.

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  80. ziel says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZvbrCI3oo


    Taylor is not a strong singer even as compared to the young Marianne Faithfull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFNc4j4VZE

    That video of Taylor getting into the spirit of things in her duet with Mick reminds me of my favorite video of all time – Norah Jones absolutely cowering in fear while duetting with Keith on “Love Hurts”:

    Taylor is not who she is because of her vocal skills – she has limited range and is not always pitch-perfect. As Steve pointed out recently, for some reason female pop fans are real obsessed with their idols’ technical vocal proficiency, while male fans couldn’t care less about that. It seems Taylor’s fans are more like that – they’re more enchanted with her songs, arrangements and her whole stage presence – similar to Mick.

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  81. @John Carr
    I can't comment on her music because I don't listen to it but given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I'd pick.
    Maybe the problems is, horror or horrors, genetic. Maybe Taylor isn't a descendant of Jonathan. She certainly doesn't look like one.
    Or maybe her philosophy is, "If I'm forced to chose sides I chose the side that's not forcing me to chose sides."

    Or maybe her philosophy is, “If I’m forced to choose sides I choose the side that’s not forcing me to choose sides. “

    That’s almost a definition of freedom. Maybe Ms Swift is even better and smarter than we think.

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    Free will? I choose Tom Sawyer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrejJHPnVfk
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  82. bomag says:
    @Roger
    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?

    …Americans voted for Trump

    They are the enemies of current Goodthinkers, and need to be taken out. One at a time, if need be; especially the prominent ones.

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  83. bomag says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Steve, how are you feeling about the tax bill that seems designed to force the blue states to get real and stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?

    …stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?

    Too long of a bank shot.

    Fed funding of local activity is a growing part of what gov’t does; I’m sure the money will be cycled around to maintain the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

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    What does the US federal government have that the state governments don't? The privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank's ability to print the currency.

    Why is the 10th Amendment a dead issue? The US federal government can print all the money it wants and borrow all it wants. The states are reduced to mere administrative governmental units. Monetary extremism leads to currency debasement; that's where we've been headed for a long time.

    The administrative central government in the United States relies on electronic monetary units that have the advantage of being the global reserve currency.

    Taylor Swift Has Nice White Legs

    Taylor Swift's Whiteness Ain't Why, Why, Why, Why, Why, Why...It just is. With apologies to Van Morrison. Taylor Swift is enjoying summertime in America and the off-brands don't like it. Screw them.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I guess we will see. The way the pigs are squealing makes me think otherwise.
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  84. Curle says:
    @Mr. Anon

    In the year since Donald Trump was elected, the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency. But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star. Her silence is striking,...........
     
    She must issue denunciations. She must..................name names. Give us a name!

    “the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency.“

    Makes you wonder how many of ‘the united’ heard something like this appeal from an agent: Producer X really hates Trump and has an opening in his new film, he might take notice if you denounce the guy.

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  85. Thea says:

    All pretense that ths UK is a seperate political entity, designed to do the will of its people crumbled.

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    All pretense that ths UK is a seperate political entity, designed to do the will of its people crumbled.
     
    Some people in the UK are more equal than others....
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  86. Curle says:

    She’s no Linda Ronstadt.

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    True but irrelevant. Her image, so far, is not anti-white. Millions of unwoke fans apparently adore her and she tees off the left no end.

    I've come to like her a lot, even though I don't care for her music.
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  87. bomag says:
    @Thomm
    I didn't know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    Kanye West interrupted her…

    It did get criticism at the time; Kanye apologized by blaming alcohol.

    Things have changed enough that those in power now would probably give him an award for the incident.

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  88. Arclight says:

    The politicization of literally every realm of life – led by left wing media and academia – just makes people miserable. Thus we have the editorial board of a paper with a fairly large readership scolding a pop star for not knuckling under to progressive demands that she become a megaphone for the leftist herd. It’s incredibly myopic, but I guess that is the default setting of anyone obsessed with grievance.

    I suspect Ms. Swift is not right-leaning at all, but she and her team are smart enough to know that becoming vocally anti-Trump would only cost her fans and money and not gain her any, as most of the people slamming her for her non-political stance aren’t her demographic anyway.

    For what it’s worth, the biggest Swift fan I know is a liberal black lesbian, so it doesn’t seem the average listener cares about her stance on Trump or anything else at all – they just want catchy pop music to dance to.

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    "I suspect Ms. Swift is not right-leaning at all, but she and her team are smart enough to know that becoming vocally anti-Trump would only cost her fans and money and not gain her any, as most of the people slamming her for her non-political stance aren’t her demographic anyway.

    For what it’s worth, the biggest Swift fan I know is a liberal black lesbian, so it doesn’t seem the average listener cares about her stance on Trump or anything else at all – they just want catchy pop music to dance to."

    Thread winner.
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  89. Corvinus says:
    @Arclight
    The politicization of literally every realm of life - led by left wing media and academia - just makes people miserable. Thus we have the editorial board of a paper with a fairly large readership scolding a pop star for not knuckling under to progressive demands that she become a megaphone for the leftist herd. It's incredibly myopic, but I guess that is the default setting of anyone obsessed with grievance.

    I suspect Ms. Swift is not right-leaning at all, but she and her team are smart enough to know that becoming vocally anti-Trump would only cost her fans and money and not gain her any, as most of the people slamming her for her non-political stance aren't her demographic anyway.

    For what it's worth, the biggest Swift fan I know is a liberal black lesbian, so it doesn't seem the average listener cares about her stance on Trump or anything else at all - they just want catchy pop music to dance to.

    “I suspect Ms. Swift is not right-leaning at all, but she and her team are smart enough to know that becoming vocally anti-Trump would only cost her fans and money and not gain her any, as most of the people slamming her for her non-political stance aren’t her demographic anyway.

    For what it’s worth, the biggest Swift fan I know is a liberal black lesbian, so it doesn’t seem the average listener cares about her stance on Trump or anything else at all – they just want catchy pop music to dance to.”

    Thread winner.

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  90. @John Carr
    I can't comment on her music because I don't listen to it but given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I'd pick.
    Maybe the problems is, horror or horrors, genetic. Maybe Taylor isn't a descendant of Jonathan. She certainly doesn't look like one.
    Or maybe her philosophy is, "If I'm forced to chose sides I chose the side that's not forcing me to chose sides."

    “If I’m forced to chose sides I chose the side that’s not forcing me to chose sides.”

    Ahhh, very good.

    and so was,

    “given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I’d pick.”

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    Thanks for your remarks. I can't claim originality for the 'chose sides' line. I read a similar comment in response to some other you-will-conform-in-the-name-of-diversity fatwa. I can't remember which one -there are so many - or who said it. If anyone knows please give credit where it's due.
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  91. Kylie says:
    @slumber_j
    I dunno. Her intonation is generally reliable, which isn't true of most people.

    “Her intonation is generally reliable, which isn’t true of most people.”

    Exactly. She sings on pitch, not under the pitch, which is a lot harder than non-singers realize when you’re singing in that breathy style.

    She’s no Julee Cruise but who cares? It’s been decades since the music industry was more about music than image. Her image as a slim, pretty blonde girl who isn’t anti-white is a good thing.

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  92. idiots says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    At the end of this video, she says, "I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative."

    Stretching things a bit, some of this song can be interpreted as a big F-you from a reluctant White icon to those who started the fight in the first place. The song is understood to be her response to Kanye West, but could it not now serve as a response to something bigger?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA

    A jew wrote that song from Taylor Swift ‘Look what you made me do’

    She doesn’t write the songs!

    If anything the songs are scary for us….

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    She's always the dominant songwriter in everything she does. That Jew will tell you that and they are'nt known for given credit away. That song wasn't that great though.

    Her 3rd album had no co-writers which is not something any of the major, modern female pop stars ever attempted. She recently won a CMA for a song she gave to a country vocal group. It's always been her songwriting that distinguished her. That and her fantastic white beauty of course.

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  93. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Guy de Champlagne
    Taylor Swift won't shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she's a woman. It is interesting that she hasn't come out against Trump. But in general it's pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face. There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she's pro abortion and a few months after that video came out she started publicly dating a black guy, which is just about the least alt right thing she could possibly do. Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I'm aware of.

    There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she’s pro abortion

    I first heard about Lahren after her pro-abortion comments. Then I saw Lahren once or twice on Fox News* as a guest and she is embarrassingly stupid and articulate (and looks like a stripper). I heard a radio talk show host say Lahren brags about hating books and not reading books. OTOH, Taylor Swift has higher-class looks and has good breeding (her parents are financial executives). Had she not gone into singing and music I could see Swift getting a scholarship to play volleyball at Stanford.

    *Weird because I only watch Tucker, Hannity, and Ingraham. Otherwise I hate Fox News.

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  94. Kylie says:
    @Curle
    She’s no Linda Ronstadt.

    True but irrelevant. Her image, so far, is not anti-white. Millions of unwoke fans apparently adore her and she tees off the left no end.

    I’ve come to like her a lot, even though I don’t care for her music.

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    I still like the incredible richness of Joan Baez' voice. She is half white Mexican, half English. Her politics I don't like so much anymore. But maybe that will excuse me from accusations of naziism.
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  95. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Clyde
    Plus Taylor Smith accentuates her whiteness by blonding up her hair, red lipstick and pancake makeup or the modern equivalent that makes her face whiter than her natural skin tone. Off the top of my head she is the most Aryan looking US pop star. Norway might have a few Taylor Smith onlooking ones?
    So idle lefties (w plenty of time on their hands) and multiKultis can hate her more.

    Another one. She seems to only go out with pale Brits and similar.

    Taylor Swift, not Smith.

    The most Nordic pop star is probably Sweden’s Zara Larsson, but I think she’s an SJW.

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    Whayever happened to Annie, from Norway?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctAjtJ9OOOI
    , @Clyde
    Swedish tribute to Emmylou Harris and Graham Parsons
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5A9OCAyIk
    , @Return of Shawn
    Larrson, with her narrow face, more visible eyes, is more Nordic, correct.
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  96. The Guardian says:

    Mr Trump realized it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign – but Swift worked it out first. For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …

    I say:

    Trump went further than the “core” of American voters to win the presidency. Trump triumphed on the strength and power of the Teutonic vote. Americans of German ancestry were the ones who carried Trump across the goal line in key Electoral College vote states.

    Is Taylor Swift part Kraut or Anglo-Saxon? Yes. Was Taylor Swift born in a state with a lot of Krauts? Yes. Pennsylvania.

    The ancestral core of the United States is European Christian. You could also call them White Core Americans. The founding ancestral core of the United States is British Protestant. God bless the Swedes, the Dutch, the French and others, but the English colonists were the ones whose ancestors formed the dominant colonial structure and the current constitutional structure.

    Trump went for the Kraut vote in the WOMP states — Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump went way beyond the WHITE CORE of America to defeat Hillary Clinton. Trump went after the TAYLOR SWIFT KRAUT vote and Trump won that cohort in the states he needed to win them.

    God Bless Germans in Germany and the United States.

    The Germans Are The Strength And Power of America.

    God Bless the Alternative for Deutschland political party.

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  97. unit472 says:

    Did the notoriously blonde Richard Branson attempt to ‘innoculate’ himself from ‘master race’ charges by having a fat negress accuse him of sexual harrassment ( but while fully clothed and in front of other people)?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/25/sir-richard-branson-has-no-recollection-alleged-incident-necker/

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  98. It is not okay to be white. We must all die so that (as Robert Weissberg terms them)

    fat-assed chocolate tub of lard

    can take over the world.

    I think more concise descriptions are either oblate negress or lard noir.

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  99. @John Carr
    I can't comment on her music because I don't listen to it but given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I'd pick.
    Maybe the problems is, horror or horrors, genetic. Maybe Taylor isn't a descendant of Jonathan. She certainly doesn't look like one.
    Or maybe her philosophy is, "If I'm forced to chose sides I chose the side that's not forcing me to chose sides."

    You could always use the Guardian editorials to burn as fuel or as a signal fire, but I would probably pick Swift on the off chance she’d give me the time of day.

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  100. @Dave Pinsen
    Taylor Swift, not Smith.

    The most Nordic pop star is probably Sweden's Zara Larsson, but I think she's an SJW.

    https://youtu.be/tjeRp1ma2uc

    Whayever happened to Annie, from Norway?

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  101. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Taylor Swift, not Smith.

    The most Nordic pop star is probably Sweden's Zara Larsson, but I think she's an SJW.

    https://youtu.be/tjeRp1ma2uc

    Swedish tribute to Emmylou Harris and Graham Parsons

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    First Aid Kit


    Emmy was completely bowled over. She isn't young anymore and her voice isn't what it was even ten years ago, but she is still probably the best country-folk singer alive.
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  102. @syonredux
    Let's see, the crimethink bestiary: Jamestown, Plymouth, Robert E Lee, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson....and now Taylor Swift...


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/b3/a6/41b3a6b131668b4aaaa3eea328276d27--happy-independence-day-taylor-swift-images.jpg

    Dear Ms. Swift,
    がんばって!!

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  103. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri
    I know that at some point everyone will just beatdown lefties instead of bothering to argue with their implacable hatred, but until that time ...

    ... this common lefty tic of,


    "You're perfectly welcome to your own opinion, but..."
     
    is where you cut them off:

    "Oh I am? Then we're done here." And leave, or dismiss them, or however you end it.

    Of course the lefty will insist that, wait, "BUT you can't bring it to the classroom" or whatever.

    Which is your cue:

    "Oh, so you were lying about my opinion being perfectly welcome!"

    Then just go on relentless attack mode, "Liar! Hater! Intolerant! Bigoted! Hate crime! Fascist! Nazi! There's no place for your hatred and intolerance at [this institution]!" etc., until they leave crying.

    I know a lot of our sophisticated commentators think this is all worthless "DemsRRealRacists" stuff, and among based/woke Alt-Righters that may be true. Among lefties and even the apolitical middle (i.e., the majority), though, they are extremely sensitive about these perceptions, and so being on the receiving end of these labels is really a shattering experience. Like a Red Guardsman suddenly being on the receiving end of the Cultural Revolution.

    Also, it's great fun.

    Generally agree here that our side needs to go on the attack more.

    But pointing out the hypocrisy of their side doesn’t slow them down.

    Are we even getting a debate? Look at this clip: it is just a SJW lecturing about Hitler and white supremacy. He is just chanting religious dogma: do it my way, or the Devil (Hitler) takes over.

    Their initial premise of “it’s my way or Hitler” needs to be attacked.

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  104. carol says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/932945789801910272

    Oh no..she cried??

    Fail.

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    She's just a kid -- more or less -- she had a weak moment before authority figures -- but she seemed to recover from that fairly quickly, and is handling everything pretty well -- check out her twitter.
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  105. Bugg says:
    @Tim Howells
    OT: The immigration restrictionist Swedish Democrats party has finally taken the gloves off at least in the tone of their campaign ads:

    It is you Social Democrats [center-left party] and you Moderates [center-right party] and you of the Swedish media that continue to create problems for our country. Through your reckless decisions, your inability to evaluate the results of your policies, and above all through your lies you have created the problems that we are all force to live with. You have worked hard to achieve this. People have been murdered and more will continue to be murdered as a result of your policies. You will continue to cover up and lie. The conflict in Sweden is not about the right and the left, rich or poor, man or woman. The conflict is between those who would destroy our country and those who are trying to save it. The conflict is between you and us.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40tm2P374w

    This is a very welcome change. Previously they tried to market themselves as yet another "anti-racist" party that just wants to tweak immigration policy a little bit. I hope this is more than just rhetoric.

    Not everyone is on board with the immigration diversity festival, which is why despite decades of charity work Roger Daltrey is not a knight. A former union sheet metal worker knows what’s going on, apparently journalists do not.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10455384/Roger-Daltrey-I-will-never-forgive-Labour-for-their-immigration-policies.html

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  106. Wally says: • Website
    @jimbojones
    Usually the scriveners over at the Guardian come across as bitter, prudish, sanctimonious, bigoted, and dull - but this time they have outdone themselves and come across as also painfully jealous of Taylor Swift's gorgeous looks, musical talent, and spectacular career.

    Swift's silence has been admirable. Actors and sportsmen are out there to entertain. No one in his right mind needs lectures on good and evil delivered by ultra-privileged twenty-somethings of questionable education and limited sophistication.

    “Actors and sportsmen are out there to entertain.”

    Indeed, anyone who does not kneel is surely supporting ‘institutional racism’.

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    I’m surprised that no one has created a meme relating the sports/Kaepernick variety of “taking a knee,” and the entertainment/Weinstein variety of same.

    At least, not to my knowledge. But it would surely outrage all the right people.
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  107. Lugash says:

    social justice jihadi

    This is a far, far better term than social justice warrior. Being a warrior implies skill, courage, a code of honor and standing toe to toe against someone on the battlefield. A jihadi is almost always just some mental defective loser who can drive a truck. Plus it rolls off of the tongue better.

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    Question: Are you Lugash?

    Confirm or deny.
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  108. Structural racism. Someday soon just repeating that nonsense phrase will make the speaker a laughingstock.

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    Structural racism. Someday soon just repeating that nonsense phrase will make the speaker a laughingstock.

     

    Structural racism brought down WTC on 9/11.
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  109. vx37 says:

    Rotherham: what did the editors at the Guardian know and when did they know it? At what point did they hear of this so-called grooming and start participating in and sponsoring the racist mass-rape of children, a war-crime by United Nations definition, with their silence?

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  110. @syonredux
    Let's see, the crimethink bestiary: Jamestown, Plymouth, Robert E Lee, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson....and now Taylor Swift...


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/b3/a6/41b3a6b131668b4aaaa3eea328276d27--happy-independence-day-taylor-swift-images.jpg

    Taylor Swift has a slight Sami look about her, particularly her eyes, but also her somewhat wide cheekbones.

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  111. @Emblematic
    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.

    Can she be bisexual? Please?

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  112. gregor says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    Taylor Swift won't shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she's a woman. It is interesting that she hasn't come out against Trump. But in general it's pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face. There a video on youtube where Richard Spencer talks about how Tomi Lahren must secretly have an alt right sensibility since she's pro abortion and a few months after that video came out she started publicly dating a black guy, which is just about the least alt right thing she could possibly do. Swift has dated two half jewish men, Jake Gyllenhaal and John Mayer, but no blacks that I'm aware of.

    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned

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    T-Swift tireless works to reduce the number of full blooded Jews that will be brought into this world.
    , @Clyde

    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned
     
    Jewish guy also produced half her new album.
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  113. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lugash
    social justice jihadi

    This is a far, far better term than social justice warrior. Being a warrior implies skill, courage, a code of honor and standing toe to toe against someone on the battlefield. A jihadi is almost always just some mental defective loser who can drive a truck. Plus it rolls off of the tongue better.

    Question: Are you Lugash?

    Confirm or deny.

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    I am Lugash! Hero of Soviet People's gymnastics and Communist agent.
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  114. @Dave Pinsen
    Taylor Swift, not Smith.

    The most Nordic pop star is probably Sweden's Zara Larsson, but I think she's an SJW.

    https://youtu.be/tjeRp1ma2uc

    Larrson, with her narrow face, more visible eyes, is more Nordic, correct.

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  115. All white people are Literally Hitler, but some are more Literally Hitler than others.

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    All white people are Literally Hitler, but some are more Literally Hitler than others.
     
    Yes, some are literally "literally Hitler". LLH, for short.
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  116. Mr Trump realised it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign …

    Oh really? And what was Hellary’s strategy, pray tell? When you call half the electorate ‘deplorable,’ you’re clearly not going for “blanket appeal.”

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    Hubris, due to thinking she had already purchased her Presidency.
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  117. Taylor Swift is hated because she is of quintessentially American ancestry. Taylor Swift is hated because she can craft a pop song that millions will buy and enjoy.

    Perfectly crafted popular hit songs never use the wrong line — John Prine

    50 million Elvis Presley fans can’t be all wrong — John Prine

    Taylor Swift is German, English, Scottish, Irish, Scotch-Irish, Welsh, Italian, French, Swedish, Dutch and a Belgian Walloon cherry on top.

    Taylor Swift is smart enough to stay mum on Trump. She knows that pisses her enemies off something fierce.

    I don’t listen to Taylor Swift. I like this Celtic barbarian lady better:

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  118. ChrisZ says:
    @Mr. Anon

    In the year since Donald Trump was elected, the entertainment world has been largely united in its disdain for his presidency. But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star. Her silence is striking,...........
     
    She must issue denunciations. She must..................name names. Give us a name!

    The ayatollahs at the Guardian are in danger of getting denunciator’s elbow.

    (To my fellow “Curb” fans on iSteve.)

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  119. syonredux says:
    @Thomm
    I didn't know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/

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    "get WOKE"

    Get zombied, you mean. Your three paragraphs of somebody else's words don't contain an ounce of counter-argument. It's merely the deflection of a discussion about a specific individual's behavior to a movie made a century ago. Sort of like the judge asking a black defendant why he steals cars and beats up women, and the reply is, "Slavery." The reply doesn't take into account all the black men who don't steal cars and beat up women.

    But a zombie wouldn't necessarily recognize that.
    , @larry lurker

    "wildly helped"
     
    Is it bad that whenever I encounter a clunky phrase like this in a mainstream publication I always have to check to see if the writer is, um, diverse? Is that racist?

    Is it racist that I'm usually right?

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Yes, the 'readings' of the incident from The Woke cast Kanye as a slightly less-polite Tom Robinson, and Taylor Swift as Mayella Ewell.
    , @Invidious
    I think they've been seen as threatening because they are disproportionately violent. But let's not talk about that Cosmo.
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  120. El Dato says:

    Off-Topic:

    In the “Finis Germania” folder, we find:

    Gift-wrapped roadblocks protect German Christmas markets after last year’s truck attack

    Another person said that the measure brought about “a feeling of safety, and if there are some [barriers] packed like presents, [when] there is no police presence, then that seems good to me.”

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  121. J1234 says:

    Condemned for one’s silence. Actually, it’s probably more like intimidation, as they believe they can change behavior by the power and retribution of their word. The parallels between the left and the late medieval church keep becoming more and more apparent. It’s actually a sign that they’re afraid they’re losing their control, and like many who fear, they lash out in anger.

    The second most popular pop band of the revolutionary ’60′s was the Rolling Stones, and they were notoriously apolitical, but no one really cared much because the rising tide of the left hadn’t yet entered into it’s orthodoxy. Dylan was criticized for being apolitical outside of his music, but he wrote Blowin’ in the Wind and the song about that murderous black boxer, so that kind of placated the most rabid leftists of the day. Most people who bought his records didn’t care about – or try to align themselves with – his politics. That apparently isn’t an option today.

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  122. syonredux says:
    @njguy73

    Oooh! Her “much-publicised ‘squad’ of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin…”
     
    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

    Lena Dunham is a hipster-racist:

    Lena Dunham Reminds Everyone Why Women of Color Don’t Trust Her

    Lena Dunham is probably one of the most influential voices in feminism today. Sadly, her feminism has often ended up being painfully and dangerously white. This weekend, Dunham and Jenni Konner released a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, defending Girls writer Murray Miller against the allegation of assault made by actress Aurora Perrineau.

    A friend, a man she knew, was accused, and therefore Lena Dunham used her platform to publicly defend him and call Aurora Perrineau, a black woman, a liar.

    So, I have a question: How many times does Lena Dunham have to fail women of color before she actually begins to learn? Or more bluntly, how many times does Lena Dunham have to say and do racist sh[**] before white women stop defending her?

    We often talk about Taylor Swift and her white female victimhood, but Dunham has this quality in spades.

    https://www.themarysue.com/lena-dunham-women-of-color/

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    We often talk about Taylor Swift and her white female victimhood, but Dunham has this quality in spades.
     
    I thought the possession of spades was outlawed in 1866.
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  123. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @Veracitor
    Oooh! Her "much-publicised 'squad' of female models, actors and musicians is largely thin..."

    They're thin! That's beyond the pale! They inflict social injustice by example wherever they go! What could be more Trumpian than to hang out with Melania Trump instead of Gabourey Sidibe?

    “They’re thin! That’s beyond the pale!”

    They’re thin AND pale!

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  124. Sometimes I think the main viewership for Murdoch Murdoch videos is decaying old SJWs like The Guardian & Channel 4 News editorial staff.

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  125. AndrewR says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Her silence is striking...
     
    But only in our contemporary Scheisskultur.

    How old do you have to be to remember when it was expected that celebrities keep their political opinions to themselves? An expectation that was largely fulfilled.

    I don’t think that celebs should be expected to be apolitical, but I am definitely sick of this new communist idea that celebs should be expected to be vocal leftists. It would be nice if celebs felt free to be political or to mot be political. It would also be nice for vocal celebs to not be so uniformly shitlibtarded.

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  126. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers.”

    Like the Grateful Dead?
     
    Or Cher, or Eminem, or any number of other recording personalities (I refuse to call Eminem an "artist").

    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said “fuck you” not just to Trump but to all Trump’s supporters. I guess he’s rich enough to not care but that is such an disgusting thing to do regardless.

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    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said “fuck you” not just to Trump but to all Trump’s supporters.
     
    I don't know you. Perhaps you are very talented.

    But I lost all respect for you when you wrote "Eminem is very talented....."
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  127. J1234 says:
    @syonredux

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.
     
    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.
     

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.
     

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

     

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/

    “get WOKE”

    Get zombied, you mean. Your three paragraphs of somebody else’s words don’t contain an ounce of counter-argument. It’s merely the deflection of a discussion about a specific individual’s behavior to a movie made a century ago. Sort of like the judge asking a black defendant why he steals cars and beats up women, and the reply is, “Slavery.” The reply doesn’t take into account all the black men who don’t steal cars and beat up women.

    But a zombie wouldn’t necessarily recognize that.

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    The supreme compliment: when satire is taken for truth.....
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  128. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I believe she has made veiled negative gestures about Trumpism but obviously wasn’t given credit for it. And I doubt they will be satisfied with her outright tweeting against Trump. What they really aim to have her do is date a black man. That would redeem her.

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  129. AndrewR says:
    @Roger
    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?

    Because most leftists today seem to want to want to paint all Trump voters as irredeemably wicked and deserving of the worst fate.

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  130. AndrewR says:
    @slumber_j
    My daughter turns thirteen today, God help us. Fortunately, she so far seems to mirror my wife in her kind, calm intelligence.

    Yesterday I told her how several of her anecdotes give me hope for the future. Two examples:

    --Her best friend at school is in the habit of jokingly saying "That's racist" in response to stuff. The other day she did so semi-audibly in the presence of a teacher and was rebuked for it by the teacher in question. (For context, this is at a fancy Catholic girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.)

    --Last year a fellow actress of hers in a school musical production of Godspell regularly said, "Don't assume my gender." She was kidding too, and she's the daughter of an enormously successful and nationally prominent comedian.

    All of these girls adore Taylor Swift. Anyway, I suspect the tide is turning. And when you think about it, why wouldn't it be?

    Wow, so some 0.1% middle schoolers have very mildly transgressive senses of humor. I feel so optimistic now.

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    I gather that you mean this sarcastically, but anyway: Yup.
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  131. AndrewR says:
    @Bill B.
    OT

    A survivor of the Bataclan massacre has committed suicide . He apparently had not been interested in being counseled
    or 'helped'.

    It occurs to me - without knowing the details - that less let's-not-blame-Islam and more let's-crush-these-bastards might have bolstered him somewhat. Bataclan was extremely cruel; something glossed over by the media and the authorities for the sake of social harmony or something.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1226830410794150&id=773211482822714

    Hundreds of people survived that massacre, and suicide is common enough that one suicide after two years out of hundreds of survivors cannot be reasonably linked to any political response towards the massacre. Yes, the French are cucks towards Islam (albeit not so much by the very low standards of Western Europe), but it is shameful to even suggest his suicide was made more likely by an improper political response to the massacre.

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  133. It’s OK to be apolitical.

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  134. SF says:
    @Kylie
    True but irrelevant. Her image, so far, is not anti-white. Millions of unwoke fans apparently adore her and she tees off the left no end.

    I've come to like her a lot, even though I don't care for her music.

    I still like the incredible richness of Joan Baez’ voice. She is half white Mexican, half English. Her politics I don’t like so much anymore. But maybe that will excuse me from accusations of naziism.

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  135. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomm
    I didn't know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    He did it to Beck as well. Got himself banned, too.

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  136. I think she’s a bit of a rebel. She might lean left politically, but she is not going to spew the typical liberal bile simply to appease a mob.

    I’d also wager that Miss Swift’s I.Q. is at least 50 points higher than her fellow pop divas. She is a very capable song writer.

    She comes off as a combination of Einstein/Beethoven when compared to Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus and is likely to have a much longer career than either.

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  137. Jack D says:

    There is nothing surprising about this coming from The Guardian, which does not pretend to be anything but a leftist rag from cover to cover.

    The thing I remember most about The Grauniad (its UK nickname due to the skill of its unionized socialist typesetters back in the day) is that when the Rolling Stone U. Va. story had been exposed to be a TOTAL fraud, when every bit of Jackie’s credibility had been torn to tiny pieces, when even the other leftists had thrown in the towel (for long after the Wash Po expose’ was printed and for long after it was decent, the NYT gave Haven Monahan the silent treatment but even they gave up at some point) the Guardian’s cat lady reporter was still clinging to the shreds and saying “it still might be true”. AFAIK, she believes Jackie to this day. A true bitter clinger.

    Remember the leftist position is that “if you are not with us, you are against us”. So if you are a public figure (and maybe even if you aren’t), unless you pledge allegiance to progressivism 3 times a day, your silence betrays you as an enemy. Don’t be the first one to stop clapping or else!

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    , @Alfa158
    After the first guy who stopped clapping was disappeared, Stalin had to eventually have an electric bell that was rung to signal that everyone could stop clapping during his addresses.
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  138. @Tim Howells
    OT: The immigration restrictionist Swedish Democrats party has finally taken the gloves off at least in the tone of their campaign ads:

    It is you Social Democrats [center-left party] and you Moderates [center-right party] and you of the Swedish media that continue to create problems for our country. Through your reckless decisions, your inability to evaluate the results of your policies, and above all through your lies you have created the problems that we are all force to live with. You have worked hard to achieve this. People have been murdered and more will continue to be murdered as a result of your policies. You will continue to cover up and lie. The conflict in Sweden is not about the right and the left, rich or poor, man or woman. The conflict is between those who would destroy our country and those who are trying to save it. The conflict is between you and us.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40tm2P374w

    This is a very welcome change. Previously they tried to market themselves as yet another "anti-racist" party that just wants to tweak immigration policy a little bit. I hope this is more than just rhetoric.

    It’s a good advert. I notice that it is very careful not to have any actual footage of the immigrants themselves. Calling out the establishment as liars is a welcome development for which we maybe have Trump to thank.

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  139. Pop star stuff is temporary. Teen idol David Cassidy died this week. His poster was on the walls of all the pre-teen girls in my neighborhood, way back when.

    Taylor swift probably is making a better transition to adult stardom than David did, and I’m one who would welcome her becoming a symbol of White awakening, but still it is funny to seriously discuss politics around what still is basically this:

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    If you work it right a five year run as teen idol will put you on easy street for the rest of your life.

    Most don't. But Cassidy did and I bet Taylor Swift does too.
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  140. TayTay does have an extraordinarily weak voice when heard more-or-less unplugged, but the produced result is more than OK, so I know what I’m expecting in my stocking this Crimbo. Because the enemy of Katharine Viner is my friend. I will follow her hag-riding what was once the dear old Manchester Guardian into welcome oblivion.
    Of course it’s entirely one-sided, Swift will have no idea who this curdled old bluestocking serpent is, and has no enemies under heaven. She is loved.

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  141. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: Cultural Appropriation

    The Meshuganutcracker

    All your holidays are belong to us!

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  142. @syonredux
    Let's see, the crimethink bestiary: Jamestown, Plymouth, Robert E Lee, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson....and now Taylor Swift...


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/b3/a6/41b3a6b131668b4aaaa3eea328276d27--happy-independence-day-taylor-swift-images.jpg

    Wow. Fourteen words!

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  143. @Jack D
    There is nothing surprising about this coming from The Guardian, which does not pretend to be anything but a leftist rag from cover to cover.

    The thing I remember most about The Grauniad (its UK nickname due to the skill of its unionized socialist typesetters back in the day) is that when the Rolling Stone U. Va. story had been exposed to be a TOTAL fraud, when every bit of Jackie's credibility had been torn to tiny pieces, when even the other leftists had thrown in the towel (for long after the Wash Po expose' was printed and for long after it was decent, the NYT gave Haven Monahan the silent treatment but even they gave up at some point) the Guardian's cat lady reporter was still clinging to the shreds and saying "it still might be true". AFAIK, she believes Jackie to this day. A true bitter clinger.

    Remember the leftist position is that "if you are not with us, you are against us". So if you are a public figure (and maybe even if you aren't), unless you pledge allegiance to progressivism 3 times a day, your silence betrays you as an enemy. Don't be the first one to stop clapping or else!

    Her name is Jessica Valenti and she is what happens when you give a newspaper column to a bucket of estrogen

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  144. @Emblematic
    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.

    She seems to have been genuinely pissed off and freaked out by a lot of her relationships ending though. Maybe she’s just a lesbian who is a control freak? I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if she were a lesbian or something along those lines.

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  145. Alfa158 says:
    @Thomm
    I didn't know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.

    “If anything it makes blacks look worse”
    Didn’t know that was even possible. I guess you learn something new every day.

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  146. Alfa158 says:
    @Jack D
    There is nothing surprising about this coming from The Guardian, which does not pretend to be anything but a leftist rag from cover to cover.

    The thing I remember most about The Grauniad (its UK nickname due to the skill of its unionized socialist typesetters back in the day) is that when the Rolling Stone U. Va. story had been exposed to be a TOTAL fraud, when every bit of Jackie's credibility had been torn to tiny pieces, when even the other leftists had thrown in the towel (for long after the Wash Po expose' was printed and for long after it was decent, the NYT gave Haven Monahan the silent treatment but even they gave up at some point) the Guardian's cat lady reporter was still clinging to the shreds and saying "it still might be true". AFAIK, she believes Jackie to this day. A true bitter clinger.

    Remember the leftist position is that "if you are not with us, you are against us". So if you are a public figure (and maybe even if you aren't), unless you pledge allegiance to progressivism 3 times a day, your silence betrays you as an enemy. Don't be the first one to stop clapping or else!

    After the first guy who stopped clapping was disappeared, Stalin had to eventually have an electric bell that was rung to signal that everyone could stop clapping during his addresses.

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    After the first guy who stopped clapping was disappeared, Stalin had to eventually have an electric bell that was rung to signal that everyone could stop clapping during his addresses.

     

    And one day the bell didn't stop ringing.

    Then they noticed it was the phone. And then they picked up. And it was Hitler.
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  147. utu says:

    At least they did not disappear Rand Paul yet

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  148. syonredux says:
    @J1234
    "get WOKE"

    Get zombied, you mean. Your three paragraphs of somebody else's words don't contain an ounce of counter-argument. It's merely the deflection of a discussion about a specific individual's behavior to a movie made a century ago. Sort of like the judge asking a black defendant why he steals cars and beats up women, and the reply is, "Slavery." The reply doesn't take into account all the black men who don't steal cars and beat up women.

    But a zombie wouldn't necessarily recognize that.

    The supreme compliment: when satire is taken for truth…..

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    What can I say? You're good. If you ever leave the cause, you'll make a great leftist.

    Sorry for the misinterpretation.
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  149. @gregor
    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned

    T-Swift tireless works to reduce the number of full blooded Jews that will be brought into this world.

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  150. Svigor says:

    This is a far, far better term than social justice warrior. Being a warrior implies skill, courage, a code of honor and standing toe to toe against someone on the battlefield. A jihadi is almost always just some mental defective loser who can drive a truck. Plus it rolls off of the tongue better.

    It would take a mental defective loser to not get the sarcasm in calling whiny, pencil-necked, air-conditioning-sucking SJWs “warriors.”

    “Warrior” works precisely because the image contrasts so starkly with SJWs.

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  151. jamie b. says:

    (except for gingers, who are just sub-human)

    Is this really a thing? First became aware of the term ‘ginger’ from an episode of South Park. I assumed that it was an anagram of a ‘n—-r.’ But I’ve seen more uses of the term since then, all quite negative. Is it really is becoming common to express disgust at the sight of red hair? When did this start?

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    It's mostly tongue-in-cheek, although low-level nastiness to redheads was prevalent in British culture until fairly recently. I remember some Fleet Street wag making a remark in print just a few years ago about how some people are cursed with inborn disabilities like being ginger or Welsh.
    , @syonredux

    Medieval beliefs

    Red hair was thought to be a mark of a beastly sexual desire and moral degeneration. A savage red-haired man is portrayed in the fable by Grimm brothers (Der Eisenhans) as the spirit of the forest of iron. Theophilus Presbyter describes how the blood of a red-haired young man is necessary to create gold from copper, in a mixture with the ashes of a basilisk.[69]
    Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[70] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages;
    Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red.
     

    In British English, the word "ginger" is sometimes used to describe red-headed people (at times in an insulting manner),[73] with terms such as "gingerphobia"[74] and "gingerism"[75] used by the British media. In Britain, redheads are also sometimes referred to disparagingly as "carrot tops" and "carrot heads". (The comedian "Carrot Top" uses this stage name.) "Gingerism" has been compared to racism, although this is widely disputed, and bodies such as the UK Commission for Racial Equality do not monitor cases of discrimination and hate crimes against redheads.[75]
    Nonetheless, individuals and families in Britain are targeted for harassment and violence because of their hair colour. In 2003, a 20-year-old was stabbed in the back for "being ginger".[76] In 2007, a UK woman won an award from a tribunal after being sexually harassed and receiving abuse because of her red hair;[77] in the same year, a family in Newcastle upon Tyne, was forced to move twice after being targeted for abuse and hate crime on account of their red hair.[78] In May 2009, a schoolboy committed suicide after being bullied for having red hair.[79] In 2013, a fourteen-year-old boy in Lincoln had his right arm broken and his head stamped on by three men who attacked him "just because he had red hair". The three men were subsequently jailed for a combined total of ten years and one month for the attack.[80]
    This prejudice has been satirised on a number of TV shows. The British comedian Catherine Tate (herself a redhead) appeared as a red-haired character in a running sketch of her series The Catherine Tate Show. The sketch saw fictional character Sandra Kemp, who was forced to seek solace in a refuge for ginger people because she had been ostracised from society.[81] The British comedy Bo' Selecta! (starring redhead Leigh Francis) featured a spoof documentary which involved a caricature of Mick Hucknall presenting a show in which celebrities (played by themselves) dyed their hair red for a day and went about daily life being insulted by people. (Hucknall, who says that he has repeatedly faced prejudice or been described as ugly on account of his hair colour, argues that Gingerism should be described as a form of racism.[82][83]) Comedian Tim Minchin, himself a redhead, also covered the topic in his song "Prejudice".[84]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair#Culture
    , @syonredux
    Ginger hair safe house - Catherine Tate - BBC


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DVHUEjnuU
    , @Reg Cæsar

    First became aware of the term ‘ginger’ from an episode of South Park.
     
    The boy who takes a stroll with Ringo in A Hard Day's Night says one of his friends is called Ginger. As is Mr Baker of Cream.

    Alan Ayckbourn used "ginger" as an insult in Bedroom Farce, and for a teddy bear, I think, in Season's Greetings.
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  152. @Steve Sailer
    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]

    According to French L. MacLean, a military historian with several reference books on the Third Reich, Nazi Germany didn’t have Political Correctness as known today. No one was allowed to criticize the regime or Hitler personally. Maclean wrote of the Nazi system in these matters:

    “But then it could be brutal. Many people were executed for merely calling Hitler’s competence into question. ‘Political correctness’ (PC) as I define it, is nothing less than one person or group attempting to put a muzzle on someone else – a de facto abridgement of freedom of speech. Were they alive today, the Nazis of the Third Reich would be proud of PC.”

    The above is from French L. MacLean’s book, “2000 Quotes From Hitler’s 1000 – Year Reich.”

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  153. Stealth says:
    @syonredux

    Taylor Swift won’t shut up about how any criticism anyone ever makes of her is motivated by the fact that she’s a woman
     
    I wonder if she'll be brave enough to talk about how she's being attacked for being a White Anglo woman.....

    But in general it’s pathetic that conservatives are so desperate for any potential allies that they they have to read between the lines to such absurd degree that they end up getting egg on their face.
     
    Are the SJWs any less ridiculous? I mean, here they are, going after Taylor Swift for the crime of being a White woman who has not publicly condemned Donald Trump.....which seems to mean that she's some kind of crypto-AltRight supporter...

    It doesn’t matter how ridiculous SJWs act; they’re in power. Behaving in a stupid, embarrassing or evil manner only counts against you when you’re not the one holding the lash.

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  154. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    This is really why the Guardian rag is PO about Swift. Notice the #88?

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  155. @bomag

    ...stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?
     
    Too long of a bank shot.

    Fed funding of local activity is a growing part of what gov't does; I'm sure the money will be cycled around to maintain the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

    What does the US federal government have that the state governments don’t? The privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank’s ability to print the currency.

    Why is the 10th Amendment a dead issue? The US federal government can print all the money it wants and borrow all it wants. The states are reduced to mere administrative governmental units. Monetary extremism leads to currency debasement; that’s where we’ve been headed for a long time.

    The administrative central government in the United States relies on electronic monetary units that have the advantage of being the global reserve currency.

    Taylor Swift Has Nice White Legs

    Taylor Swift’s Whiteness Ain’t Why, Why, Why, Why, Why, Why…It just is. With apologies to Van Morrison. Taylor Swift is enjoying summertime in America and the off-brands don’t like it. Screw them.

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  156. @PiltdownMan
    The editor-in-chief of The Guardian
    is a person named Katherine Viner.

    Taylor Swift is younger and better looking than Katherine Viner, who was head-girl of her upscale school in England.

    This is not okay.

    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?

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    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?
     
    "Sir, a woman in charge of a major newspaper is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The red-headed Rebekah Wade was a pretty good* editor of the News Of The World and The Sun newspapers. An ambitious, hard-bitten type, not a bad looker which didn't hurt**, but a tough cookie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebekah_Brooks


    * good as in competent at her job, not good as in making the world better.

    ** she was sleeping with the guy who became Cameron's spin doctor both before and during her first marriage.
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  157. @jamie b.

    (except for gingers, who are just sub-human)
     
    Is this really a thing? First became aware of the term 'ginger' from an episode of South Park. I assumed that it was an anagram of a 'n----r.' But I've seen more uses of the term since then, all quite negative. Is it really is becoming common to express disgust at the sight of red hair? When did this start?

    It’s mostly tongue-in-cheek, although low-level nastiness to redheads was prevalent in British culture until fairly recently. I remember some Fleet Street wag making a remark in print just a few years ago about how some people are cursed with inborn disabilities like being ginger or Welsh.

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    It's mostly a British thing, I think.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Perhaps, to the English, being ginger used to be synonymous with being a Scot. Scotland is known for its unusually high proportion of redheads.

    The nastiness to gingers and the Welsh is actually just healthy contempt for the neighboring odd, wild, tribes and peoples.
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  158. syonredux says:
    @Thea
    All pretense that ths UK is a seperate political entity, designed to do the will of its people crumbled.

    All pretense that ths UK is a seperate political entity, designed to do the will of its people crumbled.

    Some people in the UK are more equal than others….

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  159. syonredux says:
    @jamie b.

    (except for gingers, who are just sub-human)
     
    Is this really a thing? First became aware of the term 'ginger' from an episode of South Park. I assumed that it was an anagram of a 'n----r.' But I've seen more uses of the term since then, all quite negative. Is it really is becoming common to express disgust at the sight of red hair? When did this start?

    Medieval beliefs

    Red hair was thought to be a mark of a beastly sexual desire and moral degeneration. A savage red-haired man is portrayed in the fable by Grimm brothers (Der Eisenhans) as the spirit of the forest of iron. Theophilus Presbyter describes how the blood of a red-haired young man is necessary to create gold from copper, in a mixture with the ashes of a basilisk.[69]
    Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[70] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages;
    Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red.

    In British English, the word “ginger” is sometimes used to describe red-headed people (at times in an insulting manner),[73] with terms such as “gingerphobia”[74] and “gingerism”[75] used by the British media. In Britain, redheads are also sometimes referred to disparagingly as “carrot tops” and “carrot heads”. (The comedian “Carrot Top” uses this stage name.) “Gingerism” has been compared to racism, although this is widely disputed, and bodies such as the UK Commission for Racial Equality do not monitor cases of discrimination and hate crimes against redheads.[75]
    Nonetheless, individuals and families in Britain are targeted for harassment and violence because of their hair colour. In 2003, a 20-year-old was stabbed in the back for “being ginger”.[76] In 2007, a UK woman won an award from a tribunal after being sexually harassed and receiving abuse because of her red hair;[77] in the same year, a family in Newcastle upon Tyne, was forced to move twice after being targeted for abuse and hate crime on account of their red hair.[78] In May 2009, a schoolboy committed suicide after being bullied for having red hair.[79] In 2013, a fourteen-year-old boy in Lincoln had his right arm broken and his head stamped on by three men who attacked him “just because he had red hair”. The three men were subsequently jailed for a combined total of ten years and one month for the attack.[80]
    This prejudice has been satirised on a number of TV shows. The British comedian Catherine Tate (herself a redhead) appeared as a red-haired character in a running sketch of her series The Catherine Tate Show. The sketch saw fictional character Sandra Kemp, who was forced to seek solace in a refuge for ginger people because she had been ostracised from society.[81] The British comedy Bo’ Selecta! (starring redhead Leigh Francis) featured a spoof documentary which involved a caricature of Mick Hucknall presenting a show in which celebrities (played by themselves) dyed their hair red for a day and went about daily life being insulted by people. (Hucknall, who says that he has repeatedly faced prejudice or been described as ugly on account of his hair colour, argues that Gingerism should be described as a form of racism.[82][83]) Comedian Tim Minchin, himself a redhead, also covered the topic in his song “Prejudice”.[84]

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  160. syonredux says:
    @jamie b.

    (except for gingers, who are just sub-human)
     
    Is this really a thing? First became aware of the term 'ginger' from an episode of South Park. I assumed that it was an anagram of a 'n----r.' But I've seen more uses of the term since then, all quite negative. Is it really is becoming common to express disgust at the sight of red hair? When did this start?

    Ginger hair safe house – Catherine Tate – BBC

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  161. @El Dato

    For years, she has directed her extraordinary self-promotional skills towards cultivating a dedicated and emotional army of followers …
     
    Feels like a woman writing.

    Good spot. No male writer at The Guardian would describe a group of women as “emotional” no matter how apt.

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  162. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]

    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).

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    Tell her to read The Bell Curve. There's a reason those SJW students won't let Murray speak no matter how mild mannered he is.
    , @El Dato
    Michel Houellebecq did a critique of Lovecraft that sounds spot-on. I can see why fragile minds worrying about other people's business can disturbed by his works and thus call for the banhammer.

    An extract from the Grauniad (of all things smugly laughed at by Elder Gods)

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jun/04/featuresreviews.guardianreview6


    Few beings have ever been so impregnated, pierced to the core, by the conviction of the absolute futility of human aspiration. The universe is nothing but a furtive arrangement of elementary particles. A figure in transition toward chaos. That is what will finally prevail. The human race will disappear. Other races in turn will appear and disappear. The skies will be glacial and empty, traversed by the feeble light of half-dead stars. These too will disappear. Everything will disappear. And human actions are as free and as stripped of meaning as the unfettered movement of the elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, sentiments? Pure "Victorian fictions". All that exists is egotism. Cold, intact and radiant.

    Lovecraft was well aware of the distinctly depressing nature of his conclusions. As he wrote in 1918, "all rationalism tends to minimalise the value and the importance of life, and to decrease the sum total of human happiness. In some cases the truth may cause suicidal or nearly suicidal depression."
     

    ...

    Paradoxically, Lovecraft's character is fascinating in part because his values were so entirely opposite to ours. He was fundamentally racist, openly reactionary, he glorified puritanical inhibitions, and evidently found all "direct erotic manifestations" repulsive. Resolutely anticommercial, he despised money, considered democracy to be an idiocy and progress to be an illusion. The word "freedom," so cherished by Americans, prompted only a sad, derisive guffaw. Throughout his life, he maintained a typically aristocratic, scornful attitude toward humanity in general coupled with extreme kindness toward individuals in particular.

    Whatever the case, all those who had dealings with Lovecraft as an individual felt an immense sadness when they learned of his death. Robert Bloch said that had he known the truth about the state of his health, he would have dragged himself on his knees all the way to Providence to see him. August Derleth consecrated the rest of his existence to collecting, compiling, and publishing the posthumous fragments of his departed friend.
     

    Yes...

    Everything will disappear.
     
    But still we shall try.
    , @ChrisZ
    They won’t be satisfied until they’ve buried everything that’s good, and anything we love.

    Knowing there are people who think in this corrosive way makes me think of the plot of “Fahrenheit 451.” If the SJWs ever do realize their dream of absolute power, it may become the vocation of the former alt right to preserve the humane art and learning of earlier eras.
    , @Steve Sailer
    "Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”)."

    They're coming for Raymond Chandler?
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  163. @syonredux
    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She's currently researching the literature that has shaped the "AltRight." According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler ("homophobe and misogynist"), Tolkien (" implicitly pro-White Supremacy"), Kipling ("of course"), and Lovecraft ("Racist and Classist").

    Tell her to read The Bell Curve. There’s a reason those SJW students won’t let Murray speak no matter how mild mannered he is.

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  164. @Father O'Hara
    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?

    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?

    “Sir, a woman in charge of a major newspaper is like a dog’s walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all.”

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  165. eah says:
    @carol
    Oh no..she cried??

    Fail.

    She’s just a kid — more or less — she had a weak moment before authority figures — but she seemed to recover from that fairly quickly, and is handling everything pretty well — check out her twitter.

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  166. njguy73 says:
    @Roger
    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?

    60 million American voted for Trump. If it turns out that a pop star was one of them, then why is that so disturbing?

    Because we are not a serious country.

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  167. @syonredux

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.
     
    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.
     

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.
     

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

     

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/

    “wildly helped”

    Is it bad that whenever I encounter a clunky phrase like this in a mainstream publication I always have to check to see if the writer is, um, diverse? Is that racist?

    Is it racist that I’m usually right?

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  168. Cortes says:

    How can silence be “striking”? Ominous? Yes, it can be ominous. Scary too.

    Striking?

    Unless there’s something wrong, Silver Blaze like.

    What a sinister Guardian piece.

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  169. J1234 says:
    @syonredux
    The supreme compliment: when satire is taken for truth.....

    What can I say? You’re good. If you ever leave the cause, you’ll make a great leftist.

    Sorry for the misinterpretation.

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    What can I say? You’re good. If you ever leave the cause, you’ll make a great leftist.
     
    I'm an academic; I'm around SJWs 24/7. Purely as a matter of survival, I've learned how to make the appropriate sounds and gestures.
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  170. John Carr says:
    @ThreeCranes
    “If I’m forced to chose sides I chose the side that’s not forcing me to chose sides.”

    Ahhh, very good.

    and so was,

    "given the choice between being cast ashore on a desert island with nothing but either a collection of her songs or a collection of Guardian editorials I know which I’d pick."

    Thanks for your remarks. I can’t claim originality for the ‘chose sides’ line. I read a similar comment in response to some other you-will-conform-in-the-name-of-diversity fatwa. I can’t remember which one -there are so many – or who said it. If anyone knows please give credit where it’s due.

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  171. njguy73 says:
    @CK
    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?

    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?

    Makes other women feel bad about themselves.

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  172. El Dato says:
    @Alfa158
    After the first guy who stopped clapping was disappeared, Stalin had to eventually have an electric bell that was rung to signal that everyone could stop clapping during his addresses.

    After the first guy who stopped clapping was disappeared, Stalin had to eventually have an electric bell that was rung to signal that everyone could stop clapping during his addresses.

    And one day the bell didn’t stop ringing.

    Then they noticed it was the phone. And then they picked up. And it was Hitler.

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  173. El Dato says:
    @syonredux
    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She's currently researching the literature that has shaped the "AltRight." According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler ("homophobe and misogynist"), Tolkien (" implicitly pro-White Supremacy"), Kipling ("of course"), and Lovecraft ("Racist and Classist").

    Michel Houellebecq did a critique of Lovecraft that sounds spot-on. I can see why fragile minds worrying about other people’s business can disturbed by his works and thus call for the banhammer.

    An extract from the Grauniad (of all things smugly laughed at by Elder Gods)

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jun/04/featuresreviews.guardianreview6

    Few beings have ever been so impregnated, pierced to the core, by the conviction of the absolute futility of human aspiration. The universe is nothing but a furtive arrangement of elementary particles. A figure in transition toward chaos. That is what will finally prevail. The human race will disappear. Other races in turn will appear and disappear. The skies will be glacial and empty, traversed by the feeble light of half-dead stars. These too will disappear. Everything will disappear. And human actions are as free and as stripped of meaning as the unfettered movement of the elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, sentiments? Pure “Victorian fictions”. All that exists is egotism. Cold, intact and radiant.

    Lovecraft was well aware of the distinctly depressing nature of his conclusions. As he wrote in 1918, “all rationalism tends to minimalise the value and the importance of life, and to decrease the sum total of human happiness. In some cases the truth may cause suicidal or nearly suicidal depression.”

    Paradoxically, Lovecraft’s character is fascinating in part because his values were so entirely opposite to ours. He was fundamentally racist, openly reactionary, he glorified puritanical inhibitions, and evidently found all “direct erotic manifestations” repulsive. Resolutely anticommercial, he despised money, considered democracy to be an idiocy and progress to be an illusion. The word “freedom,” so cherished by Americans, prompted only a sad, derisive guffaw. Throughout his life, he maintained a typically aristocratic, scornful attitude toward humanity in general coupled with extreme kindness toward individuals in particular.

    Whatever the case, all those who had dealings with Lovecraft as an individual felt an immense sadness when they learned of his death. Robert Bloch said that had he known the truth about the state of his health, he would have dragged himself on his knees all the way to Providence to see him. August Derleth consecrated the rest of his existence to collecting, compiling, and publishing the posthumous fragments of his departed friend.

    Yes…

    Everything will disappear.

    But still we shall try.

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    Thanks for this link, El. I’m quite interested in both Lovecraft and Houellebecq—like more than a few commenters here, as I’ve learned.
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  174. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Fidelios Automata
    Structural racism. Someday soon just repeating that nonsense phrase will make the speaker a laughingstock.

    Structural racism. Someday soon just repeating that nonsense phrase will make the speaker a laughingstock.

    Structural racism brought down WTC on 9/11.

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  175. ChrisZ says:
    @Wally
    "Actors and sportsmen are out there to entertain."

    Indeed, anyone who does not kneel is surely supporting 'institutional racism'.

    I’m surprised that no one has created a meme relating the sports/Kaepernick variety of “taking a knee,” and the entertainment/Weinstein variety of same.

    At least, not to my knowledge. But it would surely outrage all the right people.

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  176. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Emblematic
    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.

    Taylor Swift is a lesbian. Not joking.

    Evidence?
    Photos, credible witnesses, hair between her teeth, anything??

    Everyone knew Joan Jett was a lez within a couple years of her solo career starting.
    Generally, although lesbians are much more discreet than gays (another way lesbians aren’t gay, after all) it gets out.

    The Taylor Likes Girls thing just has a different cast to it. Doesn’t quite have the ring of versimilitude.

    But then, I’d heard that Debbie Harry went both ways for years before she ‘came out’ about it. In retrospect it was obvious both from the Goldstein interview and from the pictures of Joan Jett and her in the book and the old Punk magazine photo novellas. OTOH I knew a guy who had demonstrable Lower East Side art creds-his band played CBs several times-he was my age and he said he’d had a short but torrid affair with the old gal, plus there was little doubt her and Chris were common law married (and f***ing like rabbits, notably once they’d been busted in CB’s disgusting bathroom) for over a decade and Penn Jillete, after all, invented the Jill-Jet- US Patent 5,920,923, look it up!- after dating her too. So I was skeptical.

    Silly me.

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  177. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux
    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She's currently researching the literature that has shaped the "AltRight." According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler ("homophobe and misogynist"), Tolkien (" implicitly pro-White Supremacy"), Kipling ("of course"), and Lovecraft ("Racist and Classist").

    They won’t be satisfied until they’ve buried everything that’s good, and anything we love.

    Knowing there are people who think in this corrosive way makes me think of the plot of “Fahrenheit 451.” If the SJWs ever do realize their dream of absolute power, it may become the vocation of the former alt right to preserve the humane art and learning of earlier eras.

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  178. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Pop star stuff is temporary. Teen idol David Cassidy died this week. His poster was on the walls of all the pre-teen girls in my neighborhood, way back when.

    Taylor swift probably is making a better transition to adult stardom than David did, and I'm one who would welcome her becoming a symbol of White awakening, but still it is funny to seriously discuss politics around what still is basically this:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7NHJyLqar9Y/VTn9nf3oHLI/AAAAAAAAATA/LAcYpuy7Wlg/s1600/6.jpg

    If you work it right a five year run as teen idol will put you on easy street for the rest of your life.

    Most don’t. But Cassidy did and I bet Taylor Swift does too.

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  179. ChrisZ says:
    @El Dato
    Michel Houellebecq did a critique of Lovecraft that sounds spot-on. I can see why fragile minds worrying about other people's business can disturbed by his works and thus call for the banhammer.

    An extract from the Grauniad (of all things smugly laughed at by Elder Gods)

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jun/04/featuresreviews.guardianreview6


    Few beings have ever been so impregnated, pierced to the core, by the conviction of the absolute futility of human aspiration. The universe is nothing but a furtive arrangement of elementary particles. A figure in transition toward chaos. That is what will finally prevail. The human race will disappear. Other races in turn will appear and disappear. The skies will be glacial and empty, traversed by the feeble light of half-dead stars. These too will disappear. Everything will disappear. And human actions are as free and as stripped of meaning as the unfettered movement of the elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, sentiments? Pure "Victorian fictions". All that exists is egotism. Cold, intact and radiant.

    Lovecraft was well aware of the distinctly depressing nature of his conclusions. As he wrote in 1918, "all rationalism tends to minimalise the value and the importance of life, and to decrease the sum total of human happiness. In some cases the truth may cause suicidal or nearly suicidal depression."
     

    ...

    Paradoxically, Lovecraft's character is fascinating in part because his values were so entirely opposite to ours. He was fundamentally racist, openly reactionary, he glorified puritanical inhibitions, and evidently found all "direct erotic manifestations" repulsive. Resolutely anticommercial, he despised money, considered democracy to be an idiocy and progress to be an illusion. The word "freedom," so cherished by Americans, prompted only a sad, derisive guffaw. Throughout his life, he maintained a typically aristocratic, scornful attitude toward humanity in general coupled with extreme kindness toward individuals in particular.

    Whatever the case, all those who had dealings with Lovecraft as an individual felt an immense sadness when they learned of his death. Robert Bloch said that had he known the truth about the state of his health, he would have dragged himself on his knees all the way to Providence to see him. August Derleth consecrated the rest of his existence to collecting, compiling, and publishing the posthumous fragments of his departed friend.
     

    Yes...

    Everything will disappear.
     
    But still we shall try.

    Thanks for this link, El. I’m quite interested in both Lovecraft and Houellebecq—like more than a few commenters here, as I’ve learned.

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  180. syonredux says:
    @J1234
    What can I say? You're good. If you ever leave the cause, you'll make a great leftist.

    Sorry for the misinterpretation.

    What can I say? You’re good. If you ever leave the cause, you’ll make a great leftist.

    I’m an academic; I’m around SJWs 24/7. Purely as a matter of survival, I’ve learned how to make the appropriate sounds and gestures.

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  181. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @El Dato
    "Taylor Swift" sounds practically the same as "Leni Riefenstahl".

    If she made movies it would be about Whitey Celebrations.

    “Taylor Swift” sounds practically the same as “Leni Riefenstahl”.

    One of the great tragedies of cinema was that Riefenstahl never got to film a Rolling Stones concert.

    The first Stones gig I actually attended (‘Steel Wheels’, far from the band’s high point, yet still enormously powerful in terms of crowd reaction: I saw them at Arrowhead in Kansas City, where Ted Nugent disturbed dairy operations 20 mile away in the seventies) convinced me of that in the first thirty seconds after the curtain came back.

    I’d seen Hal Ashby’s superb Stones concert film in a really fine film house, and thought for all intents and purposes I’d seen the Stones live. But until you’re actually there, you haven’t. It’s not so much about the band as it is about the crowd.

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  182. Stealth says:
    @Patrick Harris
    It's mostly tongue-in-cheek, although low-level nastiness to redheads was prevalent in British culture until fairly recently. I remember some Fleet Street wag making a remark in print just a few years ago about how some people are cursed with inborn disabilities like being ginger or Welsh.

    It’s mostly a British thing, I think.

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  183. @syonredux
    Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She's currently researching the literature that has shaped the "AltRight." According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler ("homophobe and misogynist"), Tolkien (" implicitly pro-White Supremacy"), Kipling ("of course"), and Lovecraft ("Racist and Classist").

    “Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).”

    They’re coming for Raymond Chandler?

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    Chandler’s fictional women are great rounded (Matron!) characters. Who can forget Little Velma or the crazed little sister?

    Tolkien on the other hand was nostalgic for the life of the aristocracy of the pre Industrial Revolution period. Arsehole.

    Will new Bowdlerised (I guess with all the Magnitsky shit the grandson of the GenSec of the CPUSA has been flinging around like a mad monkey we ought to call it BROWDERISED) versions of literature be disseminated?
    , @syonredux

    “Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).”

    They’re coming for Raymond Chandler?
     
    Chandler's been in bad odor for a while now. Here's Ta-Nehisi Coates on Chandler:

    It's not so bad that our hero is a homophobe who likes to seems to enjoy slapping women around. I don't really believe that heroes need be "heroic" in any earnest sense of the word. What feels off is Chandler's gaze—not his hero's actions. The thin toughness of Marlowe, the display of women in the novel is masturbatory.

    Chandler's style reminds of Biggie Smalls circa Life After Death, with all the attendant merits and demerits. I read Marlowe and think of Biggie's Frank White from "Niggas Bleed." The relationship between protagonist and author is roughly the same.

    This is not a very easy read.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/grappling-with-raymond-chandler-and-the-big-sleep/265558/


    I read The Big Sleep as part of a graduate survey on inter-war American lit, and the bulk of the conversation was about Chandler's "problematic" homophobia....although one guy wanted to talk about the Chandler's casual anti-Asian racism (e.g., the part where Marlowe says that the pathological Carmen Sternwood is “Cute as a Filipino on Saturday night").
    , @David In TN
    I've always thought the scene in the black bar at the start of Farewell My Lovely would be unpopular nowadays. And in one of Chandler's short stories the protaganist has a black partner who turns on him, but he was ready for the betrayal and shot his erstwhile partner dead.
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  184. @syonredux

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.
     
    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.
     

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.
     

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

     

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/

    Yes, the ‘readings’ of the incident from The Woke cast Kanye as a slightly less-polite Tom Robinson, and Taylor Swift as Mayella Ewell.

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  185. @syonredux

    A squad of skinny hot girls.

    And Lena Dunham.

     

    Lena Dunham is a hipster-racist:

    Lena Dunham Reminds Everyone Why Women of Color Don’t Trust Her
     

    Lena Dunham is probably one of the most influential voices in feminism today. Sadly, her feminism has often ended up being painfully and dangerously white. This weekend, Dunham and Jenni Konner released a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, defending Girls writer Murray Miller against the allegation of assault made by actress Aurora Perrineau.
     

    A friend, a man she knew, was accused, and therefore Lena Dunham used her platform to publicly defend him and call Aurora Perrineau, a black woman, a liar.
     

    So, I have a question: How many times does Lena Dunham have to fail women of color before she actually begins to learn? Or more bluntly, how many times does Lena Dunham have to say and do racist sh[**] before white women stop defending her?
     

    We often talk about Taylor Swift and her white female victimhood, but Dunham has this quality in spades.
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/lena-dunham-women-of-color/

    We often talk about Taylor Swift and her white female victimhood, but Dunham has this quality in spades.

    I thought the possession of spades was outlawed in 1866.

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  186. Yes, the ‘readings’ of the incident from The Woke cast Kanye as a slightly less-polite Tom Robinson, and Taylor Swift as Mayella Ewell.

    I assume you refer to the Tom Robinson in that thing we had to read in high school, and not the one who sang “Glad to Be Gay” before going straight, more-or-less.

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  187. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”)."

    They're coming for Raymond Chandler?

    Chandler’s fictional women are great rounded (Matron!) characters. Who can forget Little Velma or the crazed little sister?

    Tolkien on the other hand was nostalgic for the life of the aristocracy of the pre Industrial Revolution period. Arsehole.

    Will new Bowdlerised (I guess with all the Magnitsky shit the grandson of the GenSec of the CPUSA has been flinging around like a mad monkey we ought to call it BROWDERISED) versions of literature be disseminated?

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  188. @jamie b.

    (except for gingers, who are just sub-human)
     
    Is this really a thing? First became aware of the term 'ginger' from an episode of South Park. I assumed that it was an anagram of a 'n----r.' But I've seen more uses of the term since then, all quite negative. Is it really is becoming common to express disgust at the sight of red hair? When did this start?

    First became aware of the term ‘ginger’ from an episode of South Park.

    The boy who takes a stroll with Ringo in A Hard Day’s Night says one of his friends is called Ginger. As is Mr Baker of Cream.

    Alan Ayckbourn used “ginger” as an insult in Bedroom Farce, and for a teddy bear, I think, in Season’s Greetings.

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  189. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”)."

    They're coming for Raymond Chandler?

    “Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).”

    They’re coming for Raymond Chandler?

    Chandler’s been in bad odor for a while now. Here’s Ta-Nehisi Coates on Chandler:

    It’s not so bad that our hero is a homophobe who likes to seems to enjoy slapping women around. I don’t really believe that heroes need be “heroic” in any earnest sense of the word. What feels off is Chandler’s gaze—not his hero’s actions. The thin toughness of Marlowe, the display of women in the novel is masturbatory.

    Chandler’s style reminds of Biggie Smalls circa Life After Death, with all the attendant merits and demerits. I read Marlowe and think of Biggie’s Frank White from “Niggas Bleed.” The relationship between protagonist and author is roughly the same.

    This is not a very easy read.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/grappling-with-raymond-chandler-and-the-big-sleep/265558/

    I read The Big Sleep as part of a graduate survey on inter-war American lit, and the bulk of the conversation was about Chandler’s “problematic” homophobia….although one guy wanted to talk about the Chandler’s casual anti-Asian racism (e.g., the part where Marlowe says that the pathological Carmen Sternwood is “Cute as a Filipino on Saturday night”).

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    There was a book last year by a British academic "War Noir" arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler's literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.

    J.D. Salinger's odd life story has combat PTSD all over it too. Maybe Vonnegut, too.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I guess Mickey Spillane is doomed then.
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  190. biz says:
    @Anon
    Every time the left bleats about stuff like this, they just annoy Swift's legions of young, apolitical fans who then conclude that the left has something wrong with it. This is more likely to turn them rightward instead of leftward. Even Swift is probably getting ticked off about the annoying left who just won't shut up and leave her alone.

    Alas Swift’s fans probably don’t read The Guardian, or blogs that make fun of The Guardian, so it will go unnoticed.

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  191. jamie b. says:
    @syonredux

    Medieval beliefs

    Red hair was thought to be a mark of a beastly sexual desire and moral degeneration. A savage red-haired man is portrayed in the fable by Grimm brothers (Der Eisenhans) as the spirit of the forest of iron. Theophilus Presbyter describes how the blood of a red-haired young man is necessary to create gold from copper, in a mixture with the ashes of a basilisk.[69]
    Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[70] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages;
    Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red.
     

    In British English, the word "ginger" is sometimes used to describe red-headed people (at times in an insulting manner),[73] with terms such as "gingerphobia"[74] and "gingerism"[75] used by the British media. In Britain, redheads are also sometimes referred to disparagingly as "carrot tops" and "carrot heads". (The comedian "Carrot Top" uses this stage name.) "Gingerism" has been compared to racism, although this is widely disputed, and bodies such as the UK Commission for Racial Equality do not monitor cases of discrimination and hate crimes against redheads.[75]
    Nonetheless, individuals and families in Britain are targeted for harassment and violence because of their hair colour. In 2003, a 20-year-old was stabbed in the back for "being ginger".[76] In 2007, a UK woman won an award from a tribunal after being sexually harassed and receiving abuse because of her red hair;[77] in the same year, a family in Newcastle upon Tyne, was forced to move twice after being targeted for abuse and hate crime on account of their red hair.[78] In May 2009, a schoolboy committed suicide after being bullied for having red hair.[79] In 2013, a fourteen-year-old boy in Lincoln had his right arm broken and his head stamped on by three men who attacked him "just because he had red hair". The three men were subsequently jailed for a combined total of ten years and one month for the attack.[80]
    This prejudice has been satirised on a number of TV shows. The British comedian Catherine Tate (herself a redhead) appeared as a red-haired character in a running sketch of her series The Catherine Tate Show. The sketch saw fictional character Sandra Kemp, who was forced to seek solace in a refuge for ginger people because she had been ostracised from society.[81] The British comedy Bo' Selecta! (starring redhead Leigh Francis) featured a spoof documentary which involved a caricature of Mick Hucknall presenting a show in which celebrities (played by themselves) dyed their hair red for a day and went about daily life being insulted by people. (Hucknall, who says that he has repeatedly faced prejudice or been described as ugly on account of his hair colour, argues that Gingerism should be described as a form of racism.[82][83]) Comedian Tim Minchin, himself a redhead, also covered the topic in his song "Prejudice".[84]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair#Culture

    Well, I’ve just discovered a rather large gap in my knowledge of the world. What’s especially remarkable about it is that I am (or was, actually) a redhead.

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  192. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    Swedish tribute to Emmylou Harris and Graham Parsons
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5A9OCAyIk

    First Aid Kit

    Emmy was completely bowled over. She isn’t young anymore and her voice isn’t what it was even ten years ago, but she is still probably the best country-folk singer alive.

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    It's a very cute (the girls) video and very touching to see Emmylou's reactions. These two Swedish girls did so well and I liked them mentioning Gram Parsons.
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  193. Leftists are stupid.

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  194. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    First Aid Kit


    Emmy was completely bowled over. She isn't young anymore and her voice isn't what it was even ten years ago, but she is still probably the best country-folk singer alive.

    It’s a very cute (the girls) video and very touching to see Emmylou’s reactions. These two Swedish girls did so well and I liked them mentioning Gram Parsons.

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  195. Clyde says:
    @gregor
    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned

    T-Swift is soft on the JQ?? Alt-Right Queen status: Dethroned

    Jewish guy also produced half her new album.

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  196. Wally says: • Website
    @El Dato
    "Taylor Swift" sounds practically the same as "Leni Riefenstahl".

    If she made movies it would be about Whitey Celebrations.

    Concerning Riefenstahl & the 1936 Olympics in Germany where, BTW, Germany was the overwhelming medals winner …

    Black American Jesse Owens, after winning his events, said:

    “When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany.”

    and:

    “Hitler didn’t snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send me a telegram.”

    Hitler and other heads of state were forbidden by Olympic officials from visiting any athletes after their events.
    Hence the lie that Hitler deliberately avoided Owens.

    Jesse Owens was never invited to the White House nor bestowed any honors by Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) or Harry S. Truman during their terms.

    Yet another lie from those that gave us the fake ’6M’ is debunked.

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  197. @Patrick Harris
    It's mostly tongue-in-cheek, although low-level nastiness to redheads was prevalent in British culture until fairly recently. I remember some Fleet Street wag making a remark in print just a few years ago about how some people are cursed with inborn disabilities like being ginger or Welsh.

    Perhaps, to the English, being ginger used to be synonymous with being a Scot. Scotland is known for its unusually high proportion of redheads.

    The nastiness to gingers and the Welsh is actually just healthy contempt for the neighboring odd, wild, tribes and peoples.

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    It's okay to be Welsh.

    https://youtu.be/ScSHEnFNRck
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  198. BB753 says:
    @Lex
    OT

    WaPo running out of arguments against Poland:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/polands-kaczynski-reads-a-book-about-cats-in-parliament/2017/11/24/bea038a8-d0fb-11e7-a87b-47f14b73162a_story.html?utm_term=.802f398f669a

    Poland’s Kaczynski reads book about cats in parliament

    WARSAW, Poland — Poland’s most powerful politician openly read a book about cats during a session of parliament Friday
     

    They figure he probably eats cats as a delicacy.

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  199. Not Raul says:
    @PiltdownMan
    The editor-in-chief of The Guardian
    is a person named Katherine Viner.

    Taylor Swift is younger and better looking than Katherine Viner, who was head-girl of her upscale school in England.

    This is not okay.

    So some rich toff girl thinks that Swift is a plebeian provincial who doesn’t know her place.

    That figures. The rich toff girls in my town are cray for Bey.

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    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift's fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

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  200. @Not Raul
    So some rich toff girl thinks that Swift is a plebeian provincial who doesn't know her place.

    That figures. The rich toff girls in my town are cray for Bey.

    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift’s fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

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    That's a good point.
    , @PiltdownMan

    ...Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.
     
    The Obamas are big fans. Michelle Obama dressed up as Beyoncé recently. The Washington Post had a story about her girl crush.

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/stlamerican.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/77/e77d3a08-9250-11e7-a23a-2be2d4964d96/59aec63bb2001.image.jpg

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/entertainment/michelle-obama-and-beyonce-a-love-story/2017/09/06/1ddf3d9e-932d-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_video.html?utm_term=.221e368fd15a

    , @Reg Cæsar

    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift’s fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.
     
    Jennifer Lawrence's recent complaint that Justin Bieber makes more than she does gave me a feeling of déjà vu from the early '90s. Meryl Streep said the same about Robert Redford.

    The real scandal, though, is not that Bieber makes more, but that Bieber makes a living at all. And that is the fault of which sex?
    , @Paco Wové
    "Beyonce ... has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans."

    Who will become ever more bitter and spiteful at younger women as they age.
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  201. Phuqdem says:
    @william munny
    I laughed because I have a daughter around the same age and she and her friends say the same things, but we live in a rural area. They say "that's racist" to anything that mentions color in any way, and "don't assume..." for everything that references anyone's or anything's gender. They seem to instinctively understand it is ridiculous, which is better than their predecessor generation. Of course, around here, kids chant "build that wall, make it tall," and Trump stickers are the first things the white high schoolers put on their pickup trucks.

    Where do you live and are there any vacancies?

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  202. Phuqdem says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Mr Trump realised it was more effective to target a core group than attempt blanket appeal in his campaign ...
     
    Oh really? And what was Hellary's strategy, pray tell? When you call half the electorate 'deplorable,' you're clearly not going for "blanket appeal."

    Hubris, due to thinking she had already purchased her Presidency.

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  203. Corn says:
    @CK
    Plays guitar
    writes songs in multiple genres
    Handles her own business affairs
    28 years old
    been writing and performing for 14 years
    What is not to like?

    It would be nice if she married and had a few kids. Demography is destiny.

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  204. Not Raul says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Perhaps, to the English, being ginger used to be synonymous with being a Scot. Scotland is known for its unusually high proportion of redheads.

    The nastiness to gingers and the Welsh is actually just healthy contempt for the neighboring odd, wild, tribes and peoples.

    It’s okay to be Welsh.

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    As long as you mimick a Negro singing voice, I guess it is OK. But it doesn't sound Welsh.
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  205. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift's fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    That’s a good point.

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  206. @bomag

    ...stop paying for illegal alien tuitions with sky high taxation that their residents get to write off at tax time?
     
    Too long of a bank shot.

    Fed funding of local activity is a growing part of what gov't does; I'm sure the money will be cycled around to maintain the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

    I guess we will see. The way the pigs are squealing makes me think otherwise.

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  207. @Steve Sailer
    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift's fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    …Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    The Obamas are big fans. Michelle Obama dressed up as Beyoncé recently. The Washington Post had a story about her girl crush.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/entertainment/michelle-obama-and-beyonce-a-love-story/2017/09/06/1ddf3d9e-932d-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_video.html?utm_term=.221e368fd15a

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    Well, now we know what Mrs Obama secretly wants to look like....someone considerably Whiter looking than she is:

    https://www.billboard.com/files/media/02-beyonce-met-gala-2016-billboard-650-1548.jpg
    , @Steve Sailer
    I don't think it's stupid to be an ardent fan of either Beyonce or Taylor Swift or both. They aren't to my taste, but they work hard for their fans.

    But what's derisible is hating the other to make your heroine look better.
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  208. Nomad says:

    While I am not a fan of Taylor Swift, this is yet another disturbing example of the post-modernist tendency to interpret everything through a socio-political lens. I am not sure there are racial overtones here. I think it is simply that she is the only major star in the pop pantheon that has not publicly expressed her political views. From Katy Perry and Beyonce to Adele and Rihanna, most major pop stars have done some form of inarticulate and whiny braying on politics. Taylor Swift is the only one who has violated the current mandate that politics must be a part of artistic expression. The white nationalist spiel in the Guardian article is an attempt at putting pressure on Swift to come out and tow the liberal line or be smeared with the alt-right brush. You are either with us or against us. For today’s social justice left, fence sitting is tantamount to treason.

    As an aside, it is no wonder the Guardian has to beg for money at the end of every article. Mainstream journalism is truly beyond redemption if a mediocre pop star warrants even a passing mention in an editorial. I suppose Yemen, Saudi Arabia, the European migrant crisis and the economy are no longer worth writing about.

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  209. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Her silence is striking...
     
    But only in our contemporary Scheisskultur.

    How old do you have to be to remember when it was expected that celebrities keep their political opinions to themselves? An expectation that was largely fulfilled.

    “Scheisskultur.” Love it!! Ausgezeichnet–not to mention spot on.

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    I wanted to use the proper ß, but wasn't sure how many readers would recognize it. Also, it takes all day to find it on the Windows Character Map. Pour me a cupertino, please...
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  210. Trelane says:

    Here’s an early Taylor Swift performance from 1979 with virtuoso drum work by Clem Burke.

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    What will Taylor look like in 2061?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AicNpGxAJKM
    , @Clyde
    Very positive and upbeat and Clem plays like a man possessed.
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  211. syonredux says:
    @PiltdownMan

    ...Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.
     
    The Obamas are big fans. Michelle Obama dressed up as Beyoncé recently. The Washington Post had a story about her girl crush.

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/stlamerican.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/77/e77d3a08-9250-11e7-a23a-2be2d4964d96/59aec63bb2001.image.jpg

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/entertainment/michelle-obama-and-beyonce-a-love-story/2017/09/06/1ddf3d9e-932d-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_video.html?utm_term=.221e368fd15a

    Well, now we know what Mrs Obama secretly wants to look like….someone considerably Whiter looking than she is:

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  212. @syonredux

    “Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).”

    They’re coming for Raymond Chandler?
     
    Chandler's been in bad odor for a while now. Here's Ta-Nehisi Coates on Chandler:

    It's not so bad that our hero is a homophobe who likes to seems to enjoy slapping women around. I don't really believe that heroes need be "heroic" in any earnest sense of the word. What feels off is Chandler's gaze—not his hero's actions. The thin toughness of Marlowe, the display of women in the novel is masturbatory.

    Chandler's style reminds of Biggie Smalls circa Life After Death, with all the attendant merits and demerits. I read Marlowe and think of Biggie's Frank White from "Niggas Bleed." The relationship between protagonist and author is roughly the same.

    This is not a very easy read.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/grappling-with-raymond-chandler-and-the-big-sleep/265558/


    I read The Big Sleep as part of a graduate survey on inter-war American lit, and the bulk of the conversation was about Chandler's "problematic" homophobia....although one guy wanted to talk about the Chandler's casual anti-Asian racism (e.g., the part where Marlowe says that the pathological Carmen Sternwood is “Cute as a Filipino on Saturday night").

    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir” arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler’s literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.

    J.D. Salinger’s odd life story has combat PTSD all over it too. Maybe Vonnegut, too.

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    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir”
     
    I just read a 2016 piece by Roy Blount Jr in which he quotes his Southern kin talking about "The Waw".
    How they'd curl their tongues around "war noir" is fascinating conjecture.
    , @syonredux

    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir” arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler’s literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.
     

    Makes sense to me. There's a quote from Chandler about having fought in the Great War: "Once you have had to lead a platoon into direct machine-gun fire, nothing is ever the same again"....

    You could also argue that Chandler's contempt for the British "country house" school of crime fiction, where murder is a matter of " hand-wrought duelling pistols, curare, and tropical fish*, " and preference for the hard-boiled Hammett has something to do with his wartime experiences....


    *Chandler, "The Simple Art of Murder"

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  213. @PiltdownMan

    ...Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.
     
    The Obamas are big fans. Michelle Obama dressed up as Beyoncé recently. The Washington Post had a story about her girl crush.

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/stlamerican.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/77/e77d3a08-9250-11e7-a23a-2be2d4964d96/59aec63bb2001.image.jpg

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/entertainment/michelle-obama-and-beyonce-a-love-story/2017/09/06/1ddf3d9e-932d-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_video.html?utm_term=.221e368fd15a

    I don’t think it’s stupid to be an ardent fan of either Beyonce or Taylor Swift or both. They aren’t to my taste, but they work hard for their fans.

    But what’s derisible is hating the other to make your heroine look better.

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    Fans will be fans, but it all depends of the motivation for the hate, of course.

    "I hate Taylor Swift but love, love, love Beyonce" is mostly a very different sentiment and phenomenon from the old "I love the Rollings Stones and hate the Beatles" fan wars. As you point out, it is not about the music, at all.
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  214. @Steve Sailer
    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift's fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift’s fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    Jennifer Lawrence’s recent complaint that Justin Bieber makes more than she does gave me a feeling of déjà vu from the early ’90s. Meryl Streep said the same about Robert Redford.

    The real scandal, though, is not that Bieber makes more, but that Bieber makes a living at all. And that is the fault of which sex?

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  215. @anonymous
    "Scheisskultur." Love it!! Ausgezeichnet--not to mention spot on.

    I wanted to use the proper ß, but wasn’t sure how many readers would recognize it. Also, it takes all day to find it on the Windows Character Map. Pour me a cupertino, please…

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    Just google some German word that has the "ß", copy and paste and then edit out the other letters.

    That's what I do. I didn't even know Windows still had the Character Map.
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  216. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think it's stupid to be an ardent fan of either Beyonce or Taylor Swift or both. They aren't to my taste, but they work hard for their fans.

    But what's derisible is hating the other to make your heroine look better.

    Fans will be fans, but it all depends of the motivation for the hate, of course.

    “I hate Taylor Swift but love, love, love Beyonce” is mostly a very different sentiment and phenomenon from the old “I love the Rollings Stones and hate the Beatles” fan wars. As you point out, it is not about the music, at all.

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  217. @Steve Sailer
    There was a book last year by a British academic "War Noir" arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler's literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.

    J.D. Salinger's odd life story has combat PTSD all over it too. Maybe Vonnegut, too.

    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir”

    I just read a 2016 piece by Roy Blount Jr in which he quotes his Southern kin talking about “The Waw”.
    How they’d curl their tongues around “war noir” is fascinating conjecture.

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  218. @Steve Sailer
    "Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”)."

    They're coming for Raymond Chandler?

    I’ve always thought the scene in the black bar at the start of Farewell My Lovely would be unpopular nowadays. And in one of Chandler’s short stories the protaganist has a black partner who turns on him, but he was ready for the betrayal and shot his erstwhile partner dead.

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  219. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Here's an early Taylor Swift performance from 1979 with virtuoso drum work by Clem Burke.

    https://youtu.be/TU3-lS_Gryk

    What will Taylor look like in 2061?

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  220. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    There was a book last year by a British academic "War Noir" arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler's literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.

    J.D. Salinger's odd life story has combat PTSD all over it too. Maybe Vonnegut, too.

    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir” arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler’s literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.

    Makes sense to me. There’s a quote from Chandler about having fought in the Great War: “Once you have had to lead a platoon into direct machine-gun fire, nothing is ever the same again”….

    You could also argue that Chandler’s contempt for the British “country house” school of crime fiction, where murder is a matter of ” hand-wrought duelling pistols, curare, and tropical fish*, ” and preference for the hard-boiled Hammett has something to do with his wartime experiences….

    *Chandler, “The Simple Art of Murder”

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    Also, shell concussion takes a hit on the brain.

    https://youtu.be/FDNyU1TQUXg
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  221. Kylie says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    I wanted to use the proper ß, but wasn't sure how many readers would recognize it. Also, it takes all day to find it on the Windows Character Map. Pour me a cupertino, please...

    Just google some German word that has the “ß”, copy and paste and then edit out the other letters.

    That’s what I do. I didn’t even know Windows still had the Character Map.

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  222. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Please continue to red pill another generation of women, leftists. Thank you.

    Please continue to red pill another generation of women, leftists. Thank you.

    Yeah, you’d like to think this but I’m not buying it. I don’t know or know of any significant number of young single women who are red-pilled, especially not Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift may or may not be terminally solipsist herself, but she certainly encourages that among her fanbase.

    For all the middle-school/high-school Tiffanys and Ericas out there, it’s all about their boyfriends, their crushes, their career and educational aspirations, their status on the totem pole of their social circle, etc., etc. If Taylor Swift has done anything at all positive, it’s that those girls can appreciate that the racial maumau-ing doesn’t have to derail any of that.

    But even that only works to a point. Depending on developments it could very well be that the path of least resistance to maintaining good social standing is simply to go along with the SJW tide.

    It’s much more important that women have stable, hetero monogamous relationships with men of similar ambition. Those are the women who are going to be invested in the wellbeing of their men. Among other things, those are the women who voted for Trump.

    For that, you need to be able to convince young women that unless they can find a suitable man asap, they are going to be alone with their cats for the rest of their lives. Whatever else can be said about Taylor Swift, she is not going to help with that.

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  223. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @News.google.com


    Or maybe her philosophy is, “If I’m forced to choose sides I choose the side that’s not forcing me to choose sides. "
     
    That's almost a definition of freedom. Maybe Ms Swift is even better and smarter than we think.

    Free will? I choose Tom Sawyer:

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  224. slumber_j says:
    @william munny
    I laughed because I have a daughter around the same age and she and her friends say the same things, but we live in a rural area. They say "that's racist" to anything that mentions color in any way, and "don't assume..." for everything that references anyone's or anything's gender. They seem to instinctively understand it is ridiculous, which is better than their predecessor generation. Of course, around here, kids chant "build that wall, make it tall," and Trump stickers are the first things the white high schoolers put on their pickup trucks.

    Thanks. That’s even more encouraging.

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  225. slumber_j says:
    @AndrewR
    Wow, so some 0.1% middle schoolers have very mildly transgressive senses of humor. I feel so optimistic now.

    I gather that you mean this sarcastically, but anyway: Yup.

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  226. Bill B. says:
    @Anonymous
    That whole album of Faithfull’s was an attempt to go over on Debbie Harry. It backfired. Harry was simply better looking, a better singer, and in 1981, more famous. Ironically in the UK she still is but in the US Faithfull is perhaps better remembered, not for her music, but for her association with The Rolling Stones and l’affaire Mars Bar.

    Very good unsympathetic interview with La Faithfull.

    she was hell-bent on becoming a junkie from the moment she read The Naked Lunch

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/jul/15/features.magazine

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  227. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said "fuck you" not just to Trump but to all Trump's supporters. I guess he's rich enough to not care but that is such an disgusting thing to do regardless.

    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said “fuck you” not just to Trump but to all Trump’s supporters.

    I don’t know you. Perhaps you are very talented.

    But I lost all respect for you when you wrote “Eminem is very talented…..”

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    @AndrewR

    Troll? I've posted here abouts for twelve years.

    You really think that some nitwit in a hoodie, mumbling ghetto doggerel into a microphone is "art" of some kind? I suppose it may be some kind of poetry - exceedingly bad poetry. It certainly isn't music, as there is nothing remotely musical about it.

    Rap was misnamed by one letter. It should have been called "Crap".

    It's garbage.
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  228. BB753 says:
    @Not Raul
    It's okay to be Welsh.

    https://youtu.be/ScSHEnFNRck

    As long as you mimick a Negro singing voice, I guess it is OK. But it doesn’t sound Welsh.

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  229. BB753 says:
    @syonredux

    There was a book last year by a British academic “War Noir” arguing that the central fact of Raymond Chandler’s literature and life was his PTSD from his nearly dying in a trench in France in June 1918 that got hit by a German artillery shell that killed most of the other men in his unit.

    Makes sense to me.
     

    Makes sense to me. There's a quote from Chandler about having fought in the Great War: "Once you have had to lead a platoon into direct machine-gun fire, nothing is ever the same again"....

    You could also argue that Chandler's contempt for the British "country house" school of crime fiction, where murder is a matter of " hand-wrought duelling pistols, curare, and tropical fish*, " and preference for the hard-boiled Hammett has something to do with his wartime experiences....


    *Chandler, "The Simple Art of Murder"

    Also, shell concussion takes a hit on the brain.

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  230. Over the top declarations of love for Beyonce by whites are a huge SJW caste marker. Groveling would be a more apt word for it.

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  231. @Steve Sailer
    It seems like this is all a silly Taylor Swift vs. Beyonce fan clubs fight.

    Swift's fans are mostly girls, while Beyonce, who is about 8 years older, has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.

    “Beyonce … has a lot of grown-up (but not very mature) fans.”

    Who will become ever more bitter and spiteful at younger women as they age.

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  232. Mithrull says:
    @idiots
    A jew wrote that song from Taylor Swift 'Look what you made me do'

    She doesn't write the songs!

    If anything the songs are scary for us....

    She’s always the dominant songwriter in everything she does. That Jew will tell you that and they are’nt known for given credit away. That song wasn’t that great though.

    Her 3rd album had no co-writers which is not something any of the major, modern female pop stars ever attempted. She recently won a CMA for a song she gave to a country vocal group. It’s always been her songwriting that distinguished her. That and her fantastic white beauty of course.

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  233. Invidious says:
    @syonredux

    I didn’t know that Kanye West interrupted her in the middle of her acceptance speech. That is pathetic. If anything, it makes blacks look worse.
     
    Other way around, bigot. Get WOKE:

    The image of a hulking black man terrorizing a young, innocent, Southern white girl is hardly new in American pop culture. The 1915 movie The Birth of a Nation, the D.W. Griffith silent film about the rise of the KKK in the Reconstruction-era South (commonly known as the first true blockbuster) captured that fear and capitalized on it. Mae Marsh’s character was willing to throw herself over a cliff rather than let the villainous black man — played by white actor Walter Long in blackface — get his hands on her; for better or worse, it’s an iconic Hollywood moment.
     

    Americans have been conditioned to see black men as threatening for generations, and the consequences of this conditioning range from a pop starlet being able to paint a rapper as a villain for nearly a decade because she feels “bullied” to police officers shooting unarmed men in front of convenience stores because they felt “unsafe.” Obviously Kanye’s feud with Taylor is far less serious than any death by police shooting, but these cultural moments represent two ends of the same spectrum, a spectrum of systemic racism playing out in America.
     

    His VMAs stunt wasn’t nice, no, but it also happened in 2009 and didn’t really do any harm to Taylor (on the contrary, it wildly helped her career). But just as we’re conditioned to see black men as threatening, we’ve also been conditioned to respond immediately to the tears and emotions of a white woman. (The defense of a white woman’s virtue was once cause for literal lynchings.)

     

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61501/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-exposed/

    I think they’ve been seen as threatening because they are disproportionately violent. But let’s not talk about that Cosmo.

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  234. Clyde says:
    @Trelane
    Here's an early Taylor Swift performance from 1979 with virtuoso drum work by Clem Burke.

    https://youtu.be/TU3-lS_Gryk

    Very positive and upbeat and Clem plays like a man possessed.

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  235. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Alarmist

    "But a notable voice has been missing from the chorus: that of Taylor Swift, the world’s biggest pop star."
     
    Maybe not alienating half of the US population plays some part in that. Seriously, the anti-Trump echo chamber seems to think that 95% of the populace hates Trump, and can't quite seem to grasp that the popular vote, even if it was slightly skewed to Hillary's camp, still showed nothing that suggests it is in any celebrity's advantage to be so openly hostile to half the country. Some celebs get it.

    Swift may have started with a bit of an unfair advantange (no, I do not mean her skinny-blonde-white-girl card), but over the past few years she has demonstrated business acumen that is remarkable, and has engendered respect I never would have expected to accord.

    slightly skewed to Hillary’s camp,

    Was it really “skewed in Hillary’s direction” at all? Re-counting after the election repeatedly admitted to voter fraud, always by the Democrats; he also won all the counties in the country, though I’m not sure how that works.

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    Since the Republicans refuse to seriously investigate voter fraud to a specific end or purpose, it's easier to just stipulate to the Democrat fake facts of Popular Vote superiority and note that it was concentrated in such a way that it didn't matter.

    The Dems know this works against them, which is why they are shipping the poor, minorities, and immigrants to the red hinterlands to turn them purplish-blue, where fraud will really pay off.
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  236. Lugash says:
    @anonymous
    Question: Are you Lugash?

    Confirm or deny.

    I am Lugash! Hero of Soviet People’s gymnastics and Communist agent.

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  237. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Eminem is very talented but I lost all respect for him after his video a month or two ago where he said “fuck you” not just to Trump but to all Trump’s supporters.
     
    I don't know you. Perhaps you are very talented.

    But I lost all respect for you when you wrote "Eminem is very talented....."

    Troll? I’ve posted here abouts for twelve years.

    You really think that some nitwit in a hoodie, mumbling ghetto doggerel into a microphone is “art” of some kind? I suppose it may be some kind of poetry – exceedingly bad poetry. It certainly isn’t music, as there is nothing remotely musical about it.

    Rap was misnamed by one letter. It should have been called “Crap”.

    It’s garbage.

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    Welcome to the world of the thin-skinned snowflake AndrewR. Socialist, budding dictator and wannabe tyrant, AndrewR sits in judgment over all posters. And he knows he is right to do so, because, posters like you, interrupt the dignity and repose of his solipsistic existence. (Oh, and we are both in the interrupter category. And there are many others too.)
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  238. Mr. Anon says:
    @Matthew Kelly
    All white people are Literally Hitler, but some are more Literally Hitler than others.

    All white people are Literally Hitler, but some are more Literally Hitler than others.

    Yes, some are literally “literally Hitler”. LLH, for short.

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  239. Mr. Anon says:

    I am ashamed to admit that I have heard a couple of Taylor Swift songs. I am even more ashamed to admit that I kinda liked them. They had catchy hooks and hummable melodies. She is good at what she does.

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  240. Tiny Duck says:

    This needed to be written! It is very odd that Swift fans are not aware (or comfortably choose not to be aware) that she is constantly used by nazis and rather than denounce it, she tries to silence bloggers that point it out.

    It is odd that her fans are okay with her not denouncing this. Didn’t she want to stay out of negative narrative she didn’t like before? What is wrong with her asking to not be part of a narrative that involves nazis using her image and quotes for inspiration? Her silence and subsequent attempts to stifle the people that critique this silence speak volumes.

    I get it that she wants to stay out of politics to not lose fans or whatever, but I wouldn’t lose sleep over losing fans who are nazis and use me for propaganda. I mean, come on, she doesn’t even let her own fans use her images and property, yet the nazis that use her are okay?

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    There's no such thing as bad publicity.
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  241. eah says:
    @eah
    She's just a kid -- more or less -- she had a weak moment before authority figures -- but she seemed to recover from that fairly quickly, and is handling everything pretty well -- check out her twitter.

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    Bruce Bartlett, champion of the herd of independent minds.
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  242. In Kanye’s defense the Beyonce video is much better:

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  243. BB753 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    This needed to be written! It is very odd that Swift fans are not aware (or comfortably choose not to be aware) that she is constantly used by nazis and rather than denounce it, she tries to silence bloggers that point it out.

    It is odd that her fans are okay with her not denouncing this. Didn't she want to stay out of negative narrative she didn't like before? What is wrong with her asking to not be part of a narrative that involves nazis using her image and quotes for inspiration? Her silence and subsequent attempts to stifle the people that critique this silence speak volumes.

    I get it that she wants to stay out of politics to not lose fans or whatever, but I wouldn't lose sleep over losing fans who are nazis and use me for propaganda. I mean, come on, she doesn't even let her own fans use her images and property, yet the nazis that use her are okay?

    There’s no such thing as bad publicity.

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  244. @Mr. Anon
    @AndrewR

    Troll? I've posted here abouts for twelve years.

    You really think that some nitwit in a hoodie, mumbling ghetto doggerel into a microphone is "art" of some kind? I suppose it may be some kind of poetry - exceedingly bad poetry. It certainly isn't music, as there is nothing remotely musical about it.

    Rap was misnamed by one letter. It should have been called "Crap".

    It's garbage.

    Welcome to the world of the thin-skinned snowflake AndrewR. Socialist, budding dictator and wannabe tyrant, AndrewR sits in judgment over all posters. And he knows he is right to do so, because, posters like you, interrupt the dignity and repose of his solipsistic existence. (Oh, and we are both in the interrupter category. And there are many others too.)

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  245. @eah
    https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/934550151401746432

    Bruce Bartlett, champion of the herd of independent minds.

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  246. @anonymous

    slightly skewed to Hillary’s camp,
     
    Was it really "skewed in Hillary's direction" at all? Re-counting after the election repeatedly admitted to voter fraud, always by the Democrats; he also won all the counties in the country, though I'm not sure how that works.

    Since the Republicans refuse to seriously investigate voter fraud to a specific end or purpose, it’s easier to just stipulate to the Democrat fake facts of Popular Vote superiority and note that it was concentrated in such a way that it didn’t matter.

    The Dems know this works against them, which is why they are shipping the poor, minorities, and immigrants to the red hinterlands to turn them purplish-blue, where fraud will really pay off.

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  247. Lagertha says:

    I adored the singing/music/act of Taylor Swift almost a decade ago….way before I fell down the Rabbit Hole of iSteve. She has a great voice and is a true artist.

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  248. @Father O'Hara
    A woman in charge of a major newspaper?? What would Samuel Johnson say?

    The red-headed Rebekah Wade was a pretty good* editor of the News Of The World and The Sun newspapers. An ambitious, hard-bitten type, not a bad looker which didn’t hurt**, but a tough cookie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebekah_Brooks

    * good as in competent at her job, not good as in making the world better.

    ** she was sleeping with the guy who became Cameron’s spin doctor both before and during her first marriage.

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  249. @syonredux

    “Funny. I was chatting with an SJW colleague recently. She’s currently researching the literature that has shaped the “AltRight.” According to her, these are some of the authors who should be placed on the Index: Raymond Chandler (“homophobe and misogynist”), Tolkien (” implicitly pro-White Supremacy”), Kipling (“of course”), and Lovecraft (“Racist and Classist”).”

    They’re coming for Raymond Chandler?
     
    Chandler's been in bad odor for a while now. Here's Ta-Nehisi Coates on Chandler:

    It's not so bad that our hero is a homophobe who likes to seems to enjoy slapping women around. I don't really believe that heroes need be "heroic" in any earnest sense of the word. What feels off is Chandler's gaze—not his hero's actions. The thin toughness of Marlowe, the display of women in the novel is masturbatory.

    Chandler's style reminds of Biggie Smalls circa Life After Death, with all the attendant merits and demerits. I read Marlowe and think of Biggie's Frank White from "Niggas Bleed." The relationship between protagonist and author is roughly the same.

    This is not a very easy read.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/grappling-with-raymond-chandler-and-the-big-sleep/265558/


    I read The Big Sleep as part of a graduate survey on inter-war American lit, and the bulk of the conversation was about Chandler's "problematic" homophobia....although one guy wanted to talk about the Chandler's casual anti-Asian racism (e.g., the part where Marlowe says that the pathological Carmen Sternwood is “Cute as a Filipino on Saturday night").

    I guess Mickey Spillane is doomed then.

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