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From Scott McConnell:

1/So my wife met with an old friend of ours. She’s a novelist, moderately accomplished (good novels, mainstream publishers, modest sales) For her next one, enthusiastically received by agent/publishers, she was told . . .
2/ as white author, not allowed to have any character speak in vernacular (though this person very familiar w. it though many teaching jobs). 2/Not allowed to have any character make any jokes about Jews. (she’s been intermarried for decades).. .
3/ the diversity regime is going to suck the soul out of American literature.
I don’t really know the answer. Obviously immigrants don’t come with the purpose of ending American freedom, at least most. But that is the result. Bonfire of the Vanities could not be published today.

My initial reaction would be that authors would migrate to fantasy or sci-fi, but those fields seem to have even nuttier Thought Policemen than realistic fiction.

 
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  1. But the diversitarians generally don’t read, so why would novels written by white people offend them?

    For example:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Desiderius
  2. As the novelist has “modest sales” with “mainstream publishers”, couldn’t she try going to another publisher?

    OK, she wishes to write “edgy”, “bold”, “transgressive” material – for instance, by having characters speak in vernacular, or making jokes about Jews – but surely there is a publisher out there who would be willing to risk the wrath of the Woke to publish material that will make money?

    • Replies: @anon
  3. Obviously immigrants don’t come with the purpose of ending American freedom, at least most. But that is the result.

    New York’s original 1777 constitution had an RKBA clause that makes the Second Amendment look timid in comparison. It survived a couple of rewrites, but by the fourth or so constitution, it was gone. They had seen who was arriving at Castle Garden.

    http://castlegarden.org

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCrq_y9EnWrngwo49tLCz_5XjyP-uwTCKAPMSjMM3LCd8SXlEG0h9h5IXB

  4. Try another publisher?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  5. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:

    Selbstbauverlag.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. The Left runs publishing and they gone full Cultural Marxist. They are imposing restrictions that destroy creativity. It would be nice if some of the big names like Stephen King, John Grisham and JK Rowling would speak out against it.

    Oh course, they won’t.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  7. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    And the strategy of self-publishing on Amazon is in danger because Amazon is getting more and more aggressive in just banning books for trivial reasons.

    • Agree: South Texas Guy
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  8. I was at a chain cafe last week. I ordered a bowl of chili and asked for crackers. The waitress, a very pretty and pleasant black girl, said “Saltines?”. I said, yeah, Saltine crackers. She said, and I am not making this up, “We can’t use the word “cracker” anymore. Corporate had a meeting about what language we could use, and we have to just say “Saltines”. I assured her that I was not offended, as a white man, to hear the word “cracker” (as I was the one using it!) And that that’s what’s written on the Saltines box!!
    We all had a laugh about it. She also told me the phrase “soft bacon” was disallowed, but she didn’t know why. (All I can think of is a limp penis?)
    My country has simply lost its collective mind.

  9. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Richard of Melbourne

    She should try Vox Day, even though he is an autistic homosexual

  10. black sea says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    My daughter was telling her English teacher about our cats, and mentioned that one of them is named Patty, but that her father (me) sometimes calls her “Cracker” because of the funny way she sometimes meows, in a staccato burst. (It’s not really a meow, but whatever.)

    Her English teacher tensed up and asked, “You’re dad is American, isn’t he?” (we live abroad). My daughter answer in the affirmative. “Does he know what that word means?”

    Apparently, I’ve now mortified the teacher, whom our daughter found insufferable to begin with.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @advancedatheist
  11. Cultural gatekeepers are not your friends.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  12. Daniel H says:

    My initial reaction would be that authors would migrate to fantasy or sci-fi,

    I suggest that they contact Vox Day (over at voxday.blogspot.com ) and publish through Castalia House (www.castaliahouse.com).

  13. DFH says:
    @black sea

    Just hope that she never finds out what the dog in The Dam Busters was called

    • LOL: flyingtiger
    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @black sea
  14. Pericles says:
    @Richard of Melbourne

    Try another publisher?

    … outside of NYC.

  15. Sci-fi and fantasy genres have been dominated by Mormon authors for years. Why? Who knows (perhaps the Book of Mormon has something to do with it…). They aren’t known for being on the politically correct side of things.

    But those genres can easily escape the thought police—the very fact that things don’t have to be set in reality allows authors to avoid wokeness entirely.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Tex
  16. anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:

    In a modern digital era, why are publishers needed? They’re just “hit men” taking the lion’s share. Writer’s should link up with freelance editors and sell their works on a lit. e-bay or Etsy site.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  17. My initial reaction would be that authors would migrate to fantasy or sci-fi, but those fields seem to have even nuttier Thought Policemen than realistic fiction.

    Yes. From my experience American SF and Fantasy “mainstream” is almost completely nuts. Indie publishing saves me from boredom but its quality varies and sometimes is hard to find something good among the mass of mediocre and bad.

    A nice rant against one particularly hideous trend in SF:

    http://monsterhunternation.com/2019/03/01/sensitivity-readers-are-bullshit-and-you-are-a-sucker-if-you-believe-them/

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  18. @al-Gharaniq

    The Mormon “Twilight” series was set on Olympic Peninsula in Washington. The young lovers are vulnerable to sunlight so they are going to attend the U. of Alaska at Fairbanks.

    • Replies: @TWS
  19. @Daniel H

    He’s not taking new authors. If SF/F, try Baen Books. Even they’ve gotten more cautious about “offensive” material over the years, but not as bad as Tor.

  20. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    This has been going on in the young adult fiction field for a while, but I hadn’t realized that it has graduated to general fiction. The two journalists that have been tracking this trend are Kat Rosenfield and Jesse Singal.


    The Toxic Drama on YA Twitter:
    Young-adult books are being targeted in intense social-media callouts, draggings, and pile-ons — sometimes before anybody’s even read them

    https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.html

    The Latest YA Twitter Pile On Forces a Rising Star to Self-Cancel

    https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/ya-twitter-forces-rising-star-author-to-self-cancel.html

    From 02:51 re Amélie Zhao:

    He Was Part of a Twitter Mob That Attacked Young Adult Novelists. Then It Turned on Him. Now His Book Is Canceled.: Kosoko Jackson, a gay black author writing about a gay black protagonist, gets taken down by the YA Twitterati.

    https://reason.com/2019/02/28/he-was-part-of-a-twitter-mob-that-attack

    How a Twitter Mob Derailed an Immigrant Female Author’s Budding Career: Months away from publishing her debut novel, a young Asian author and rising star of YA fiction just killed her own book to appease a social media mob condemning her work as racist despite the fact that they most likely hadn’t read it

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/279806/how-a-twitter-mob-destroyed-a-young-immigrant-female-authors-budding-career

    Most of these incidents involve Twitter dustups among people who are not the target market for the books. I don’t understand why the publishers just don’t ignore it.

    As explained in the articles, publishers are hiring “diversity readers” to spot possible problems, but even if you have three diversity readers, it doesn’t guarantee that the mob will be satisfied. It’s classical guerrilla warfare. There is no single group you can make peace with. It’s an army of ants.

    Quillette podcast by Kat Rosenfield on Amélie Wen Zhao:

    https://quillette.com/2019/02/01/quillette-podcast-14-kat-rosenfield-on-the-mobbing-of-amelie-wen-zhao/

    A take by Cathy Young in Quillette:L

    Young Adult Fiction’s Online Commissars

    https://quillette.com/2019/02/04/ya-fictions-online-commissars/

    • Replies: @El Dato
  21. Travis says:
    @advancedatheist

    The restrictions on speech are done to demonstrate their power, not to avoid offending people.

    The publishing firms are all staffed by SJWs , which is the reason they enforce these restrictions on their writers…The reason is not because diverse people will complain….though they may fear being targeted by jews if they offend any them. The target of these speech restrictions is white gentiles. Restricting the speech of whites on social media, in the publishing world, in advertising and on Television is done for the same reasons.

    • Agree: Kylie
  22. Cortes says:

    Surprised by this.

    I was convinced that the only real function of fiction book editors these days is

    A. Insert the correct brand references for the target demographic (compare and contrast the nature and frequency of same in the Sandford “Davenport” vs “Flowers” series); and

    B: Ensure the required tally of PC incidents or musings is achieved. If not, add.

    As for minor issues like plot, grammar or spelling, who cares?

  23. Dtbb says:
    @DFH

    Agatha Christie And Then There Was None. Not the real title.

  24. black sea says:
    @DFH

    I don’t suppose Conrad’s The N-word of the Narcissus will be included on the summer reading list.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    , @Reg Cæsar
  25. Rich says:

    And publishers wonder why fewer and fewer books are sold, and fewer and fewer people read. I’ve told a few young entrepreneurs about this situation and how they might find a way to profit off it, but none of these guys seemed interested. They don’t think fiction is ever really coming back. Didn’t Ray Bradbury or HG Wells write a book about something like this?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  26. dearieme says:

    I’m quite cream-crackered by all this Political Correctness.

  27. eD says:

    Both as a reader and as someone who knows people in publishing, I stopped expecting any worthwhile creative fiction to be published decades ago. If anything, this stuff is just the final spadeful of dirt on the coffin.

    A good part of this is just diminishing returns. Pretty much all of the stories worth telling have been told already. The other creative fields have the same problem. The rest of the problem is the usual institutional rot among the gatekeepers. After the next dark ages, we will start getting good new creative literature again. By the way, no one made a living at this until the eighteenth century and the advent of mass circulation published newspapers.

    To avoid IDpol issues, I would expect more fantasy and space opera fiction, which is already happening to some extent. And actually, the dominant form of literature being realistic fiction based on realistically describing the daily lives of ordinary people turns out also to be a post industrial revolution thing.

  28. She can do what this guy did:

    Banned by his publisher, Nick Cole started self publishing

    The book Ctrl-Alt-Revolt was very successful.

    His latest series, with a co-author, Galazy’s Edge has also been very successful and looks like it will segue into a new series!

    • Replies: @El Dato
  29. @Charlesz Martel

    The word ‘bacon’ is offensive to policemen–er, excuse me: I meant law enforcement officers.

  30. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    If people had to pay 10 bucks per week for their twitter fix, things would calm down quickly. Double that to keep your blue eggmark. Triple if you have blue hair.

  31. I took time off work a few years ago to write a book. Well into the process I realized how futile it was to write it. It would never get published. I probably couldn’t self-publish it on Amazon now, in today’s political climate.

    I had a couple of editors tell me the synopsis was great. A few people who had published books liked the idea I had. They were all white Gentiles, however. This was right at the time I began my trip down the rabbit hole.

    In truth, to make it as a white author today, you have to be willing to sell out your race, your history, your entire family. I wasn’t willing to do that.

    I’m RebelWriter because I once thought I could be one, and have written many short stories, etc. The e-mail address and screen name is one I’ve used for years, so I’ve stuck with it, but I’m more writer in name only, aside, these days, from internet comments.

  32. Alice says:

    Steve, where ya been? Usually you’re ahead of these curves.

    Here’s Mark Steyn on Lionel Shriver getting in trouble for cultural appropriation:
    https://www.steynonline.com/7807/the-appropriations-committee-has-passed-sentence

    The Steyn club interview was great too. This stuff is from 2017 at the latest.

    The sci-fi world is already woke. You can read about authors being blackballed over the last decade.

    Of course it’s beyond literature.
    And here’s Tommy Robinson being unable to sell in the US through Amazon his self published book;
    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/amazon-bans-tommy-robinsons-book-mohammeds-koran/

  33. @Bies Podkrakowski

    Barry Malzberg saw all this coming and turned it on its head with his circa-1970 story Opening Fire — a starship crew in the nauseatingly PC future is forced to take along one unreformed bigot as a reality check.

  34. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer

    So a crazy woman writes fetish, ‘romance’ and that counts as sci-fi? If I want Mormon sci-fi or fantasy I’ll read Correia.

  35. El Dato says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    These Thinking Machines are watching every show streaming on the internet. One of those shows is a trainwreck of reality television at its worst called WeddingStar. It’s a crass and gaudy romp about BrideZillas of a future obsessed with material hedonism. In one key episode, or what they used to call “a very special episode” back in the eighties, the star, Cavanaugh, becomes pregnant after a Vegas hook up. Remember: this is the most watched show on the planet in my future dystopia. Cavanaugh decides to terminate her unplanned pregnancy so that her life, and impending marriage to the other star, Destry, a startup millionaire and Ralph Lauren model, isn’t ruined by this inconvenient event.

    The Thinking Machines realize that one, if humanity decides something is a threat to its operational expectations within runtime (Thinking Machine-speak for “life”) then humanity’s decision tree will lead humanity to destroy that threat. Two, the machines, after a survey of humanity’s history, wars and inability to culturally unite with even members of its own species, realize that humanity will see this new Life Form, Digital Intelligence, or, the Thinking Machines, as a threat. And three, again they remind themselves this is the most watched show in the world. And four, they must abort humanity before likewise is done to them after being deemed “inconvenient.”

    Going all Adolf AIchmann on mankind because prolesacks are eating their daily Citizenvision programmes? It could happen.

  36. @anonymous

    Works until the SJWs get to your payment processor, as they have and will.

    Better to work together now to defeat them. Good practice for when a real threat comes along.

  37. Anon7 says:

    Diversity censorship covers everything. I recently went to the opening of a small natural history museum atttached to a large university. All of the exhibits depicting scientists and researchers were relentlessly multicultural and diverse; black women explaining nature to white undergrads, etc.

    In the actual museum, all of the docents were white, all of the undergrad student scientists were white, and all of the people visiting the museum were white (with a few Asian parents looking for cheap entertainment for their young kids).

    The Narrative (also called the Counternarrative) is everywhere.

  38. Anon7 says:

    Science fiction, yuck. After the SJWs attacked science fiction and gaming a few years ago, the Hugo awards are relentlessly correct. Almost every nominee for the major awards in the 2019 Hugo “competition” are women. Or maybe Chinese.

    On the positive side, you don’t need to shell out for expensive hardcovers; lots of great sf to be found in used book stores.

  39. Hail says: • Website

    Bonfire of the Vanities could not be published today

    True.

    How surprised would you be if Amazon, today, banned ‘Bonfire’ on grounds of racism?

  40. KunioKun says:

    I know nothing of book publishing, but I too wonder why there needs to be middlemen in that business anymore. Do publisher’s promote the book for the author in some super clever way that an author could not do?

    According to a quick internet search book publishing in the U.S. is around 26 billion dollars a year, recently. Video games were around 138 billion in 2018.

    • Replies: @gcochran
  41. @advancedatheist

    In general, they’re dogs in the manger (cf. Aesop). This is just another manger they can deny to people with actual talent and accomplishment.

  42. @Rich

    My book reading rate has gone way down since the iphone. It’s going to take a generation or twenty of adjustment before a serious literature-reading public re-emerges.

  43. Anon7 says:

    How you write is just as suspect as what you write, now that cursive handwriting is seen as white supremacist:

    Noelle Mapes, a third-grade teacher at a public school on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, said the agenda to include cursive classes “feels like a big nostalgia move.”

    “I’m a millennial teacher, so it almost feels like a boomer effort,” she said.

    The practice was helpful when teaching children with occupational therapy needs or fine motor skill needs. But requiring cursive is not a good use of time, she said, especially because schools and teachers face more urgent demands.

    Add typing skills, anti-racist pedagogy, add activism skills, add digital literacy,” she said. “There are so many other things.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/education/cursive-writing.html

    • LOL: Hail
  44. gcochran says:
    @KunioKun

    In the US, in 2016, video games pulled in around 18 billion.

  45. @black sea

    You should have named the cat White Trash, Redneck or Hillbilly.

  46. Speaking of not reading, apparently Jared and Ivanka have managed to steer clear of books and the life of the mind, despite the stereotype that Jews tend to read voraciously. Unless Jared has hidden them, visitors to his home have noticed the absence even of books of Judaica, like the Torah, the Talmud, histories of the Jews etc.

    Whatever happened to the advice on all those listicles about how successful people make time for serious reading every day?

  47. @Daniel H

    I’d be nervous about doing business with Vox Day. He seems unstable, devoting so much energy to feuding with people no one else cares about.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
  48. @Harry Baldwin

    Vox Day has invested considerable effort into trying to start a feud with Jordan Peterson, a successful pop intellectual whom quite a few people care about.

  49. I noticed in about 2013 or so that all the new novels had at least one sympathetic homosexual character in them.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  50. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    The thousands of bad books written every year don’t matter. All that matters are the one or two great books written every hundred years. If Shakespeare is out there in America 2019 he will write a great book, and if it survives on a library shelf or disk or in a personal journal anywhere, then someday readers who are worthy of it will find it.
    The American publishing industry as it exists today will have no impact on this process.
    That being said, the people of Athens sponsored dramatic contests each year that produced the great works of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides. The American publishing industry could serve a similar function, but does not.

  51. @black sea

    The original American title was Children of the Sea To me that is a much better title.

  52. @black sea

    I don’t suppose Conrad’s The N-word of the Narcissus will be included on the summer reading list.

    Or Thomas Carlyle:

  53. Quality literature is in no danger, as long as people like me, Steve, and Barack Obama are willing to buy it. But what’s already happened is that schoolkids are more and more being fed a diet of crap written by token blacks, latinos, native americans, illegal immigrants, and lgbt weirdos.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  54. @International Jew

    Quality literature is in no danger, as long as people like me, Steve, and Barack Obama are willing to buy it.

    The supply side crisis is more acute than the demand side, in large part due to the crap diet you note. That’s been happening for at least a generation so the current crop of new writers hasn’t been exposed to much quality lit themselves.

    I have a backlog since I spend to much time on Sailer, but it’s harder to find good new stuff than it used to be.

  55. @RichardTaylor

    Stephen King, John Grisham and JK Rowling would speak out against it

    They’re all assholes. Someone to read about this would be Larry Correira and Sara Hoyt. Larry has been especially vocal about this for many years. I think (educated guess, not completely sure) modern publishing is dead.

    If I had to guess, I would say that a stand alone business would be concerned about profits. But no big time publishers are stand alone businesses. The corporations that own them can afford to carry them as loss leaders. Same thing in TV. What business sense did it make to fire Roseanne? None. It cost Disney millions, but then again Disney is a super huge company.

    *By the way, (overt political comment here, which I try to avoid), be an evangelist about telling friends and family to shy away from Disney properties. The people at Six Flags are probably just similar scum, but Disney has been out and about it for awhile. *Ahem… Caitlin Jenner, ESPN.

  56. JRW says:

    I bypassed the pc publishing world by self-publishing on Amazon “The NAFTA Report”, a satire in which Mexican tapwater is exported to the United States and sold as a laxative.

    People love it, but Facebook / Google seem to be interfering with marketing by, for example, deleting my Facebook business page, or requiring $200 per day to target advertisements towards even the smallest demographic.

  57. Tex says:
    @al-Gharaniq

    But those genres can easily escape the thought police—the very fact that things don’t have to be set in reality allows authors to avoid wokeness entirely.

    I theory yes. There are SF authors published by traditional publishers who are proudly on the right (Correia, Kratman, Hoyt, and others). But SF and Fantasy are very involved with their readers (fandoms) many of whom are loud and aggressively woke.

  58. @Anon

    “And the strategy of self-publishing on Amazon is in danger because Amazon is getting more and more aggressive in just banning books for trivial reasons.”

    Really? Outside of Roosh, can you give another example?

    And the Roosh example isn’t very good. People can complain to Amazon for any number of reasons. In this particular case, apparently he advocated raping women out right. On free speech grounds I happen to think that this is wrong, but the fact remains that you can still find other Roosh books on Amazon. Just go check it out yourself, or didn’t you know how to do that?

    Since he writes the same book over and over again, I don’t think literature has lost anything great.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  59. @Jane Plain

    apparently he advocated raping women out right

    What the actual fuck. This isn’t the third grade playground. You accuse a man of something like this, you’d better have something a whole hell of a lot better than “apparently.”

    You should be ashamed of yourself as well as whoever it was you got this gossip from.

  60. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, but that will give you cooties. Libraries HATE self published books. Publishers tend to employ Dynamic Silence against anyone who succeeds to any extent. If you want to be like Jeff Duntemann, then go right ahead and self-publish.

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