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From NBC News:

Scientists say space aliens could hack our planet

New paper argues that extraterrestrials might beam ‘contaminated’ messages our way.
by Seth Shostak / Feb.21.2018 / 10:56 AM ET

With all the news stories these days about computer hacking, it probably comes as no surprise that someone is worried about hackers from outer space. Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.

 
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  1. Siding with your species = good
    Siding with your subspecies = worst thing imaginable, possibly illegal

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  2. Wasn’t this the plot of a Jamie Lee Curtis movie?

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Also quite well explored in Vernor Vinge's excellent "A Deepness in the Sky".

    And of course: MAXO signals: A new and unfortunate solution to the Fermi paradox. (which is a joke even thought it appears in Nature, in case anyone is confused)


    Inb4 "Jews in Space! It's mighty dangerous out there!"
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  3. I think you were pwned, wasn’t Seth Shostak a character in The Big Lebowski.

    Stop mocking the existence of the Mother Wheel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_and_theology_of_the_Nation_of_Islam#The_Mother_Plane

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    This guy disagrees.

    http://sethshostak.com/
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  4. Why would aliens be excluded from the zeroth amendment, anyway?

    Surely that would be real diversity for you. I mean, they might eat humans, but surely that would go once they’d been properly integrated, and perhaps given advantageous access to education and jobs for a while.

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    Ahem. Please don't use the offensive term aliens. These are extraterrestrial Terrans.
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    I was thinking Murray Leinster's "The Screaming Asteroid." But this is good too.
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  6. I hope they put Special Agent Fox Mulder in charge of the investigation. A Mulder inquiry is bound to be almost as entertaining as the Mueller investigation.

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    David Duchovny is now a singer/songwriter. I attended a show of his here in Vancouver a few months ago. Went ironically, left a fan.

    Dude's a showman!

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  7. Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.

    Bring down our culture? That’ll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?

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    "That’ll be quite a task, considering how low it already is."
     
    Actually, the article missed the point. The alien wrecker virus already happened. About 1963.

    Although the human operating system opened a fatal security vulnerability in 1785.
    , @Alden
    They could bring back human sacrifice and cannibal meat markets.
    , @silviosilver

    Bring down our culture? That’ll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?
     
    The more positive interpretation is that they're actually trying to help us, which = "bring down" in the warped minds of SJW scum.
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  8. But wait !the picture proves the first world leader the aliens met was Putin, so they must have our best interest at heart …now I can rest easy:)

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  9. @George
    I think you were pwned, wasn't Seth Shostak a character in The Big Lebowski.

    Stop mocking the existence of the Mother Wheel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_and_theology_of_the_Nation_of_Islam#The_Mother_Plane

    This guy disagrees.

    http://sethshostak.com/

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  10. I think you were pwned, wasn’t Seth Shostak a character in The Big Lebowski.

    If the one on the right told me it was a Shostak, I’d probably believe it.

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  11. Dear gosh. I remember that the Left made fun of the Right as a bunch of tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy wackos for about 50 years. Fluoride being bad for you, communist infiltration, homosexual mafia, gay marriage—all of these were ridiculed by the Left as being proof the right was nuts. Alex Jones was the Emmanuel Goldstein of their ridicule.

    About the only conspiracies the Left believed in was that staunch anti-communist JFK was not murdered by rabid communist Lee Harvey Oswald.

    Now Alex Jones is confidently calling elections and the Left is reduced to screaming “Russia Russia Russia!” at everything…and now, space aliens.

    How long before a plank of the D party is “we call for a full investigation of the so-called ‘Moon Landing’, which never occurred.”?

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  12. Dear diary, today the legacy media made itself more irrelevant and ridiculous.

    We do not have an exact date for the above fragment, so will never know to what specific day it refers.

    Dennis Prager today did a must-hear interview with Douglas Murray, author of The Strange Death Of Europe, in which Murray described giving up on university speaking engagements because of student activist hostility, and publishers telling him in private that they had suggested books like his (which is a massive best-seller) but were told by higher ups “we don’t want that kind of readers.”

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  13. ‘We’d better take cover. It’s getting dark, and that’s when the Shostaks come…’

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  14. If that’s a Shostak, is America officially the ‘Land of the Lost’?

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    I think that's the Slestak.
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  15. This is one of the sup-plots of Vernor Vinge’s “A Deepness in the Sky” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Deepness_in_the_Sky). BTW, in the novel the humans are the aliens.

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  16. I wonder if this started with the Three Body Problem. Steve, you should read it if you haven’t already.

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  17. About 9 ales and I’d give Angela the go-ahead.

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    Poor Bill . Who can blame him ?
    , @silviosilver
    That reminded me of '80s miniseries "V".
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  18. Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.

    Maybe this has already happened. Many believe space aliens visited the earth in ancient times. Might have they selected a patriarch, some Shepard in Mesopotamia, told him he is the “Chosen” one. Than infected his DNA with a heritable virus that would click in like a computer program sometime in the future to bring down the culture?

    Hey, it’s as good of an explanation as anything else ;-)

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    The idea that the Chosenites are aliens, or a people whose genes were perhaps edited by aliens, was the thesis of a book by Marc Dem, a Frenchman, published in translation in English in the seventies (I read it then when it was a current paperback) as The Lost Tribes from Outer Space:

    Marc Dem, Bantam, 1977.
    summary by Feòrag NicBhrìde
    Lost Tribes book cover

    YAHWEH, God of Genesis, an extraterrestrial being. YAHWEH, who created man to colonize the planet. YAHWEH, who chose inspectors for a continuing surveillance of earth. YAHWEH who gave Jesus a surprising role in the cosmos. YAHWEH, who set up God's plan, a fateful meeting in space destined since creation... THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE.

    Lost, but how? At the whim and behest of Yahweh? Chosen, but how? Here, finally, is the true astonishing interpretation of the Book of Books that successfully explains an exciting new reality... the real beginnings of life on planet earth.

    This book, originally published in French in 1974, sets out to answer five "enigmas" regarding the Bible and the Jews, and in particular who the Jews are really, and why everyone hates them. The truth, it seems, is all in the Bible, as long as you read it literally, without all that mystical claptrap that's been laid upon it.

    Our journey starts, appropriately enough, with the accounts of creation given in the first two chapters of Genesis. It's well-known that there are two separate accounts, but Dem has noticed something odd about God:

    The Supreme Being, the Almighty, appears in the first few pages of Genesis. He seems to be the author of the first story of creation. But soon afterward we see a change of behavior, and the least that can be said about it is that it gives food for thought. [pp15-16]

    He notes that the Hebrew name is different in each account: the God of the first account is called Elohim, but that of the second is YHWH. The two are clearly different entities! Elohim is the real creator, so who is YHWH? YHWH merely "formed a man from the dust of the earth" rather than creating humanity, both male and female, from nothing. YHWH is not omniscient - he has to call out for Adam when he loses him.

    Dem's hypothesis is that YHWH is a technologically advanced space traveller, who created the Jews so that he could have someone to love him, whereas the rest of humanity was created by Elohim as early hominids, and evolved from there. Nobody likes the Jews because they're not from Earth!

    On the earth created by God, a space traveler implanted a breeding stock to be the origin of his people, a distinct chosen people, "the prince of peoples," who were given special attention by that powerful being from elsewhere. The Jews are not of this earth, and that is why they have always been oppressed by other peoples; their oppression is like the process of rejection that sometimes occurs in organ transplants... What is a Jew? The product of a selective process carried out through the ages, by methods I will attempt to describe.

    The Jews come from space, and they will return there. [pp19-20]

    The book explains various Biblical visions as sightings of YHWH's spaceship, and suggests that the Fatima sightings were of the same thing.

    Since the idea of a collective hallucination cannot be applied to the Fatima marvel any better than to Victor Hugo's funeral or the conquest of England by the Normans. we are entitled to look for a more solid hypothesis. Does it not seem to gave been found when we recall Joshua's battle in Gibeon? In both cases the sun took liberties with celestial mechanics; in both cases we are led to wonder if there was a confusion between two bodies of the same apparent size. The explanation may lie in a screen of clouds that was thought to have been dispersed but actually remained, made invisible by a new source of light. [p46]

    Dem goes into a lot of detail about YHWH's selective breeding programme, and notes how annoyed he gets when his people marry out. He explains how the Templars were persecuted because they knew all about it.

    The reason Jews are overrepresented in the sciences is because they are superior beings and also because YHWH regularly lets slip a little of his advanced knowledge. They built Stonehenge, too...

     

    http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/lfn/dem1977.html
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  19. Well, according to the TV program “Ancient Aliens,” everything that wasn’t built by African-Americans was built by space aliens. Two large rocks, with a right angle corner, boom, Space Aliens. And I was recently beamed a messagel from a prince on the planet Pluto asking me to help him secure his inheritance by depositing $50,000 worth of bitcoins in his accounts. Does anyone know if this really works?

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  20. but to bring down our culture.

    Aren’t they already here? Have been since the ’60s?

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  21. Scientists say space aliens could have hacked our planet country

    Corrupting and impurifying our precious bodily fluids.

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  22. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that E.T.’s are indeed hacking into our computer systems, and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos lobby to give them H1-B visas so they can stay on as coders.

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  23. Here’s the actual paper – it’s quite interesting.

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  24. Siding with your species = good
    Siding with your subspecies = worst thing imaginable, possibly illegal

    If an alien species offered to side with my subspecies, I would have to seriously consider throwing the rest of my species under the bus. Probably wouldn’t, because I can at least rely on human nature, for good or ill, and the aliens would have no track record.

    But I’d be sorely tempted. A couple of jive sessions with good rapport and good booze and I could see myself turning coat.

    Surely that would be real diversity for you. I mean, they might eat humans, but surely that would go once they’d been properly integrated, and perhaps given advantageous access to education and jobs for a while.

    As long as only a small fraction of the aliens eat humans, they’re golden.

    No, this is not sarcasm; leftists are currently in charge.

    but were told by higher ups “we don’t want that kind of readers.”

    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.

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    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.
     
    Good point. It seems unbelievable that forty years after major studios were falling all over each other to push out the most expensive, non-revisionist Christian-centered blockbusters (The Greatest Story Ever Told was 1965, King of Kings was 1961, and the rest of the sword-and-sandal epics of the era), Gibson couldn't find distribution for his well-made, well-directed, well-acted religiously conservative film.

    But then you realize money is secondary to these folks. It's a nice perk, but not as nice as destroying Western Civilization.

    P.S. Mel Gibson has a real knack for knowing what type of film genres are ready for a comeback. Braveheart revitalized the military-battle epic, and The Passion of the Christ brought back the Bible epic. I wonder if he'll keep reviving this stuff. Will the screwball comedy or romantic comedy be the next genre he saves?

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  25. You’re a space alien you Horned Lizard .

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  26. That Seth Shostak wrote the piece implies a tone of satire, but I wonder if NBC will notice?

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  27. OT:

    “Deep State” is a category on Jeopardy tonight.

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    “Deep State” is a category on Jeopardy tonight.
     
    I'll take Assasinations Gone Wrong for $800, Alex.

    "Answer: "Stick a fork in it.""

    Bzzzzzz!

    "OK, Paul Lynde in the top-right square."

    "Oh ... [insert gay comment], snicker, snicker... no, seriously, the Deep State's first attempt to kill President Kennedy due to his belief in sound money, before Plan B to have that Commie shoot him in his limo."

    Nope, sorry, you didn't phrase it in the form of a question ...

    "Oprah Winfrey, take a spin."

    ,,,,

    , @J.Ross
    Is it a sarcastic title? To be used non-sarcastically it would have to be about bureaucracy, domestic spying, or wonkery (McGeorge Bundy, J. Edgar Hoover, and the Brothers Dulles must be worth plenty of Jeopardy questions between them or on their own); the probable use here is state trivia.
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  28. @Randal
    Why would aliens be excluded from the zeroth amendment, anyway?

    Surely that would be real diversity for you. I mean, they might eat humans, but surely that would go once they'd been properly integrated, and perhaps given advantageous access to education and jobs for a while.

    Ahem. Please don’t use the offensive term aliens. These are extraterrestrial Terrans.

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    I like the sound of "extraterrestrial Terrans", but I think that "undocumented Terrans" is more politically correct and would become the approved term.

    Would they be invited to Germany in large numbers and promptly eat the people holding "Welcome" signs? I certainly hope so!
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  29. Svigor – from the Denmark thread. If we are talking about xenophobia, this is probably a better thread for it.

    The middle ground is high trust + xenophobia. Dual morality.

    Xenophobia is not exactly the right word. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of the alien. I’m thinking of the 1979 Alien movie scene where they wander into the egg cave without any fear, rational or otherwise. Sometimes fear of the alien is warranted.

    Maybe ethnocentrism would be better for what Svigor was trying to convey? Really I think we are looking for high trust of in-group, and as regards out-groups:
    -cordial relations in diplomacy and temporary visits, unless in state of war.
    -preference and push to exclude the out-group from our territory except for limited diplomatic/trade missions.
    -a healthy caution towards those in our territory.
    -a strong preference for our laws to favor our own.
    -in a mixed society, a group loyalty that favors those of our own who do the right thing, and applies sanctions (such as shunning) to the traitors among us.
    -a general “Is it good for the whites (in the long term)?” philosophy.

    I am not sure what exactly to call this. It’s not xenophobia. If ethnocentrism, maybe it needs an adjective. e.g. measured, polite, cordial. One might imagine say, Michael Caine in the role of the few roles he has played as a toff, sitting down for elevenses being cordially ethnocentric.

    But then again most of the definitions put ethnocentrism as the belief that your own ethnic group is superior to others. This need not be the case. However, the idea is that you should preference your own, for reasons of survival and long-term better outcomes for your ethnic group, which will of course include yourself and family. I think “ethnocentrism” as used already does include this definition. Perhaps ethnically partisan, or ethnopreference, or something of that nature might be a better way to put it.

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    I’m thinking of the 1979 Alien movie scene where they wander into the egg cave without any fear, rational or otherwise.
     
    Their personalities varied. Kane volunteered to go and wanted to keep pressing on when exploring the derelict alien space craft. Lambert was miserable when picked by Captain Dallas for the exploration team and kept wanting to turn back.

    Sometimes fear of the alien is warranted.
     
    Kane sure found that out.
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  30. We’re obliged to indulge the gender delusions of the severely mentally ill. We cheer on our own demographic replacement by low IQ Third World hordes. We petend not to notice the astronomically high black violent crime rates but we obsess over the mostly imaginary unjustified killings of blacks by cops.

    Space aliens sending messages to bring down our culture is probably the most rational explanation for the delusional state of modern society.

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  31. Semi-OT, but I finally got around to reading the wikipedia article on the Alt Right, and the version as of February 26, 2017 is hilarious in a way that only wikipedia articles on complicated, controversial subjects can be. I was able to take it seriously until it started discussing East Asian women, about halfway down, though I expect that paragraph to disappear in future edits.

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  32. @Svigor

    Siding with your species = good
    Siding with your subspecies = worst thing imaginable, possibly illegal
     
    If an alien species offered to side with my subspecies, I would have to seriously consider throwing the rest of my species under the bus. Probably wouldn't, because I can at least rely on human nature, for good or ill, and the aliens would have no track record.

    But I'd be sorely tempted. A couple of jive sessions with good rapport and good booze and I could see myself turning coat.

    Surely that would be real diversity for you. I mean, they might eat humans, but surely that would go once they’d been properly integrated, and perhaps given advantageous access to education and jobs for a while.
     
    As long as only a small fraction of the aliens eat humans, they're golden.

    No, this is not sarcasm; leftists are currently in charge.

    but were told by higher ups “we don’t want that kind of readers.”
     
    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the "profit is all" myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.

    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.

    Good point. It seems unbelievable that forty years after major studios were falling all over each other to push out the most expensive, non-revisionist Christian-centered blockbusters (The Greatest Story Ever Told was 1965, King of Kings was 1961, and the rest of the sword-and-sandal epics of the era), Gibson couldn’t find distribution for his well-made, well-directed, well-acted religiously conservative film.

    But then you realize money is secondary to these folks. It’s a nice perk, but not as nice as destroying Western Civilization.

    P.S. Mel Gibson has a real knack for knowing what type of film genres are ready for a comeback. Braveheart revitalized the military-battle epic, and The Passion of the Christ brought back the Bible epic. I wonder if he’ll keep reviving this stuff. Will the screwball comedy or romantic comedy be the next genre he saves?

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    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn't handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie... just as well - it sucked.
    , @Alden
    Gibson marketed Passion of the Christ to Protestant and Catholic Churches for months before the release of the film. Parishioners came in buses and the movie made a fortune. Jehovah Witnesses 7 day Adventists Mormons, evangelicals everybody came.

    The liberals were sure the movie would be a flop until those church buses showed up

    A lot of people went to the movie just to show support for Gibson and Christianity and to show disdain for the atheist anti White anti Christian Hollywood Jews.
    , @Anonymous
    So Michael Eisner was just playing us, huh?

    “We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement. To make money is our only objective.”
     
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  33. there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society

    The word “scientist” has evidently changed meanings since I learned what the “scientific method” was.

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  34. @whorefinder

    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.
     
    Good point. It seems unbelievable that forty years after major studios were falling all over each other to push out the most expensive, non-revisionist Christian-centered blockbusters (The Greatest Story Ever Told was 1965, King of Kings was 1961, and the rest of the sword-and-sandal epics of the era), Gibson couldn't find distribution for his well-made, well-directed, well-acted religiously conservative film.

    But then you realize money is secondary to these folks. It's a nice perk, but not as nice as destroying Western Civilization.

    P.S. Mel Gibson has a real knack for knowing what type of film genres are ready for a comeback. Braveheart revitalized the military-battle epic, and The Passion of the Christ brought back the Bible epic. I wonder if he'll keep reviving this stuff. Will the screwball comedy or romantic comedy be the next genre he saves?

    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn’t handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie… just as well – it sucked.

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    That was "Signs," by R. Night S. of the twists, notable for its magnificent advertising campaign. The disappointingly conventional aliens also prove highly vulnerable to good old American baseball bats. Mel does his self-crucifixion thing as a preacher doomed to give last rites to his own wife.
    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?
    , @whorefinder
    Signs (the movie of which you speak) is largely seen as the jumping the shark moment for director M. Night Shamylan. Before that, he'd been lauded as a genius with original twist endings (he did the Sixth Sense). After Signs, he was seen as a formulaic hack, something which his later films confirmed.

    The whole "aliens are vulnerable to water" thing in Signs was his attempt at homage/stealing of The War of the Worlds twist that ordinary earth germs were deadly to the aliens in that film. Except that, unlike the germs in War of the Worlds, which were unknown on Mars and unseeable on Earth, the water in Signs was literally visible from space, and since the aliens were attacking cities and large human gatherings, water was abundant in those areas. So he completely lost the good faith of the audience when he used that as an out, despite having Gibson, Joaquin Phoenix, and Cherry Jones in the cast.

    Yeah, the "no shotgun thing for a farmer" is also a huge boner.

    Signs, however, was a film about faith. The preacher loses his faith, but in the end it is restored by a mystical experience where he realizes his ex-wife's dying words at the beginning weren't gibberish or emotional death statements, but a vision to save the preacher later. I think a major reason studios allowed the massive dumping on M. Night following Signs and didn't defend him was that he was ultimately giving a mystical defense of Christianity.
    , @El Dato
    As Hopkinsville Goblins have conclusiveley shown in '55, Real Aliens (Real Transdimensionals, more like) give a fuck about lead shot coming out of blunderbusses of local peasants and just keep on walking!
    , @EdwardM
    Funny, I thought that I was the only person who thought that the lack of any type of gun in the house of a Pennsylvania farmer was so conspicuous that it was intentional as an ideological message from the filmmaker, not to mention a distraction that moved the movie from poor to unwatchable. (When I mentioned this theory to others, they looked at me like I was crazy.)
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    OT:

    "Deep State" is a category on Jeopardy tonight.

    “Deep State” is a category on Jeopardy tonight.

    I’ll take Assasinations Gone Wrong for $800, Alex.

    “Answer: “Stick a fork in it.””

    Bzzzzzz!

    “OK, Paul Lynde in the top-right square.”

    “Oh … [insert gay comment], snicker, snicker… no, seriously, the Deep State’s first attempt to kill President Kennedy due to his belief in sound money, before Plan B to have that Commie shoot him in his limo.”

    Nope, sorry, you didn’t phrase it in the form of a question …

    “Oprah Winfrey, take a spin.”

    ,,,,

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  36. @Charles Pewitt
    http://n7.alamy.com/zooms/aac0e16a720b4dfa9425be0a641ffc41/russian-president-vladimir-putin-arrived-for-g8-summit-in-germany-bpderw.jpg

    https://twitter.com/canisverba/status/604905853976600576

    About 9 ales and I'd give Angela the go-ahead.

    Poor Bill . Who can blame him ?

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  37. @Dr. X

    Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.
     
    Bring down our culture? That'll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?

    “That’ll be quite a task, considering how low it already is.”

    Actually, the article missed the point. The alien wrecker virus already happened. About 1963.

    Although the human operating system opened a fatal security vulnerability in 1785.

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  38. @27 year old
    OT:

    "Deep State" is a category on Jeopardy tonight.

    Is it a sarcastic title? To be used non-sarcastically it would have to be about bureaucracy, domestic spying, or wonkery (McGeorge Bundy, J. Edgar Hoover, and the Brothers Dulles must be worth plenty of Jeopardy questions between them or on their own); the probable use here is state trivia.

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  39. @Anonymous Bosch
    I hope they put Special Agent Fox Mulder in charge of the investigation. A Mulder inquiry is bound to be almost as entertaining as the Mueller investigation.

    David Duchovny is now a singer/songwriter. I attended a show of his here in Vancouver a few months ago. Went ironically, left a fan.

    Dude’s a showman!

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  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn't handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie... just as well - it sucked.

    That was “Signs,” by R. Night S. of the twists, notable for its magnificent advertising campaign. The disappointingly conventional aliens also prove highly vulnerable to good old American baseball bats. Mel does his self-crucifixion thing as a preacher doomed to give last rites to his own wife.
    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

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    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

     

    Stanislaw Lem.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks, Mr. Ross, I know I could have duckduckwent it, but I didn't care enough. What kind of dicked-up name is "M. Night Shamalam" anyway? Who else does this? I can think of F. Scott Fitzgerald and J. Edgar Hoover. Just use your first or middle name, or go to the courthouse, pay $300 and change it to what works for you.
    , @Melendwyr
    H.P. Lovecraft, in "The Colour out of Space".
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  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @George Taylor

    Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.
     
    Maybe this has already happened. Many believe space aliens visited the earth in ancient times. Might have they selected a patriarch, some Shepard in Mesopotamia, told him he is the "Chosen" one. Than infected his DNA with a heritable virus that would click in like a computer program sometime in the future to bring down the culture?

    Hey, it's as good of an explanation as anything else ;-)

    The idea that the Chosenites are aliens, or a people whose genes were perhaps edited by aliens, was the thesis of a book by Marc Dem, a Frenchman, published in translation in English in the seventies (I read it then when it was a current paperback) as The Lost Tribes from Outer Space:

    Marc Dem, Bantam, 1977.
    summary by Feòrag NicBhrìde
    Lost Tribes book cover

    YAHWEH, God of Genesis, an extraterrestrial being. YAHWEH, who created man to colonize the planet. YAHWEH, who chose inspectors for a continuing surveillance of earth. YAHWEH who gave Jesus a surprising role in the cosmos. YAHWEH, who set up God’s plan, a fateful meeting in space destined since creation… THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE.

    Lost, but how? At the whim and behest of Yahweh? Chosen, but how? Here, finally, is the true astonishing interpretation of the Book of Books that successfully explains an exciting new reality… the real beginnings of life on planet earth.

    This book, originally published in French in 1974, sets out to answer five “enigmas” regarding the Bible and the Jews, and in particular who the Jews are really, and why everyone hates them. The truth, it seems, is all in the Bible, as long as you read it literally, without all that mystical claptrap that’s been laid upon it.

    Our journey starts, appropriately enough, with the accounts of creation given in the first two chapters of Genesis. It’s well-known that there are two separate accounts, but Dem has noticed something odd about God:

    The Supreme Being, the Almighty, appears in the first few pages of Genesis. He seems to be the author of the first story of creation. But soon afterward we see a change of behavior, and the least that can be said about it is that it gives food for thought. [pp15-16]

    He notes that the Hebrew name is different in each account: the God of the first account is called Elohim, but that of the second is YHWH. The two are clearly different entities! Elohim is the real creator, so who is YHWH? YHWH merely “formed a man from the dust of the earth” rather than creating humanity, both male and female, from nothing. YHWH is not omniscient – he has to call out for Adam when he loses him.

    Dem’s hypothesis is that YHWH is a technologically advanced space traveller, who created the Jews so that he could have someone to love him, whereas the rest of humanity was created by Elohim as early hominids, and evolved from there. Nobody likes the Jews because they’re not from Earth!

    On the earth created by God, a space traveler implanted a breeding stock to be the origin of his people, a distinct chosen people, “the prince of peoples,” who were given special attention by that powerful being from elsewhere. The Jews are not of this earth, and that is why they have always been oppressed by other peoples; their oppression is like the process of rejection that sometimes occurs in organ transplants… What is a Jew? The product of a selective process carried out through the ages, by methods I will attempt to describe.

    The Jews come from space, and they will return there. [pp19-20]

    The book explains various Biblical visions as sightings of YHWH’s spaceship, and suggests that the Fatima sightings were of the same thing.

    Since the idea of a collective hallucination cannot be applied to the Fatima marvel any better than to Victor Hugo’s funeral or the conquest of England by the Normans. we are entitled to look for a more solid hypothesis. Does it not seem to gave been found when we recall Joshua’s battle in Gibeon? In both cases the sun took liberties with celestial mechanics; in both cases we are led to wonder if there was a confusion between two bodies of the same apparent size. The explanation may lie in a screen of clouds that was thought to have been dispersed but actually remained, made invisible by a new source of light. [p46]

    Dem goes into a lot of detail about YHWH’s selective breeding programme, and notes how annoyed he gets when his people marry out. He explains how the Templars were persecuted because they knew all about it.

    The reason Jews are overrepresented in the sciences is because they are superior beings and also because YHWH regularly lets slip a little of his advanced knowledge. They built Stonehenge, too…

    http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/lfn/dem1977.html

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    Were they led here from Kolab by Commander Adama? Wait, wrong cult....
    , @Alden
    I favor David Ickes lizard people aliens theory of TPTB
    , @Alden
    There was a Mitchell Brothers movie about how an alien monkey was the God of Abraham.

    There was a spaceship from another planet. The human looking astronauts were comatose in glass coffins for the voyage. A trained monkey ran the spaceship.

    The monkey saw Abraham and his clan wandering the desert and decided to play some jokes

    The monkey spoke from the sky and told Abraham to circumcise himself. After that the monkey told Abraham’s clan to do bible story things Abrahsm’s Clan always obeyed the monkey dictating orders from his spaceship.

    Hilarious
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  42. @mobi
    If that's a Shostak, is America officially the 'Land of the Lost'?

    I think that’s the Slestak.

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  43. #WeAreAllSpaceAliens #NoExospheres #LoveTrumpsGravity

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    #AlienLivesMatter
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    #AirlockNofairlock #MeteorIsMurder #UranusMyanusOuranus
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  44. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn't handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie... just as well - it sucked.

    Signs (the movie of which you speak) is largely seen as the jumping the shark moment for director M. Night Shamylan. Before that, he’d been lauded as a genius with original twist endings (he did the Sixth Sense). After Signs, he was seen as a formulaic hack, something which his later films confirmed.

    The whole “aliens are vulnerable to water” thing in Signs was his attempt at homage/stealing of The War of the Worlds twist that ordinary earth germs were deadly to the aliens in that film. Except that, unlike the germs in War of the Worlds, which were unknown on Mars and unseeable on Earth, the water in Signs was literally visible from space, and since the aliens were attacking cities and large human gatherings, water was abundant in those areas. So he completely lost the good faith of the audience when he used that as an out, despite having Gibson, Joaquin Phoenix, and Cherry Jones in the cast.

    Yeah, the “no shotgun thing for a farmer” is also a huge boner.

    Signs, however, was a film about faith. The preacher loses his faith, but in the end it is restored by a mystical experience where he realizes his ex-wife’s dying words at the beginning weren’t gibberish or emotional death statements, but a vision to save the preacher later. I think a major reason studios allowed the massive dumping on M. Night following Signs and didn’t defend him was that he was ultimately giving a mystical defense of Christianity.

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    Yeah, The Sixth Sense was pretty cool, and smart on the writer's part to make a movie which you have to go twice to. Once you get it, you have to see it again, so you can see if it still makes "sense" (no pun intended, but it works). Kinda like Fight Club except kinda not, because the latter movie was highly stupid. First Rule of Fight Club: YOU! DO! NOT! TALK! ABOUT! HOW! BAD! THE! MOVIE! SUCKS!

    About the Christianity in Signs, per you and Mr. Ross, I am not arguing but just didn't notice that. I did understand the mystical/religious side of the movie, of course. It would just have made more sense if Gibson's movie wife would have said, in her dying breath:

    "Remington 870, owwww... double-ought buck ... shot ... ooohhh ... center-of-mass .... center-of-mass ......"
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  47. @Michael S
    #WeAreAllSpaceAliens #NoExospheres #LoveTrumpsGravity

    #AlienLivesMatter

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  48. @Anonymous
    The idea that the Chosenites are aliens, or a people whose genes were perhaps edited by aliens, was the thesis of a book by Marc Dem, a Frenchman, published in translation in English in the seventies (I read it then when it was a current paperback) as The Lost Tribes from Outer Space:

    Marc Dem, Bantam, 1977.
    summary by Feòrag NicBhrìde
    Lost Tribes book cover

    YAHWEH, God of Genesis, an extraterrestrial being. YAHWEH, who created man to colonize the planet. YAHWEH, who chose inspectors for a continuing surveillance of earth. YAHWEH who gave Jesus a surprising role in the cosmos. YAHWEH, who set up God's plan, a fateful meeting in space destined since creation... THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE.

    Lost, but how? At the whim and behest of Yahweh? Chosen, but how? Here, finally, is the true astonishing interpretation of the Book of Books that successfully explains an exciting new reality... the real beginnings of life on planet earth.

    This book, originally published in French in 1974, sets out to answer five "enigmas" regarding the Bible and the Jews, and in particular who the Jews are really, and why everyone hates them. The truth, it seems, is all in the Bible, as long as you read it literally, without all that mystical claptrap that's been laid upon it.

    Our journey starts, appropriately enough, with the accounts of creation given in the first two chapters of Genesis. It's well-known that there are two separate accounts, but Dem has noticed something odd about God:

    The Supreme Being, the Almighty, appears in the first few pages of Genesis. He seems to be the author of the first story of creation. But soon afterward we see a change of behavior, and the least that can be said about it is that it gives food for thought. [pp15-16]

    He notes that the Hebrew name is different in each account: the God of the first account is called Elohim, but that of the second is YHWH. The two are clearly different entities! Elohim is the real creator, so who is YHWH? YHWH merely "formed a man from the dust of the earth" rather than creating humanity, both male and female, from nothing. YHWH is not omniscient - he has to call out for Adam when he loses him.

    Dem's hypothesis is that YHWH is a technologically advanced space traveller, who created the Jews so that he could have someone to love him, whereas the rest of humanity was created by Elohim as early hominids, and evolved from there. Nobody likes the Jews because they're not from Earth!

    On the earth created by God, a space traveler implanted a breeding stock to be the origin of his people, a distinct chosen people, "the prince of peoples," who were given special attention by that powerful being from elsewhere. The Jews are not of this earth, and that is why they have always been oppressed by other peoples; their oppression is like the process of rejection that sometimes occurs in organ transplants... What is a Jew? The product of a selective process carried out through the ages, by methods I will attempt to describe.

    The Jews come from space, and they will return there. [pp19-20]

    The book explains various Biblical visions as sightings of YHWH's spaceship, and suggests that the Fatima sightings were of the same thing.

    Since the idea of a collective hallucination cannot be applied to the Fatima marvel any better than to Victor Hugo's funeral or the conquest of England by the Normans. we are entitled to look for a more solid hypothesis. Does it not seem to gave been found when we recall Joshua's battle in Gibeon? In both cases the sun took liberties with celestial mechanics; in both cases we are led to wonder if there was a confusion between two bodies of the same apparent size. The explanation may lie in a screen of clouds that was thought to have been dispersed but actually remained, made invisible by a new source of light. [p46]

    Dem goes into a lot of detail about YHWH's selective breeding programme, and notes how annoyed he gets when his people marry out. He explains how the Templars were persecuted because they knew all about it.

    The reason Jews are overrepresented in the sciences is because they are superior beings and also because YHWH regularly lets slip a little of his advanced knowledge. They built Stonehenge, too...

     

    http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/lfn/dem1977.html

    Were they led here from Kolab by Commander Adama? Wait, wrong cult….

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  49. anon • Disclaimer says:

    My worry is that middleman minority aliens are welcomed to Earth as refugees from another star system that recently ejected them. They buy up Earth media, and propagandize on behalf of more alien refugee immigration, while teaching humans to hate themselves for “how terribly they’ve treated the plants and animals.”

    A populist “Earth for Humanity” grassroots political movement lobbies to break up the alien monopoly control of the media, but the media successfully paints them as “human supremacists.” Several human youths spray paint an “H” for Humanity, onto an alien community center. The youths are arrested, and after a hysterical, multi-month media campaign are sentenced to eight years in prison. Ten months later it’s found that the community center’s own administrator had painted the H. This is reported in a footnote on page 37. In a landmark defeat for Earth for Humanity, the Supreme Court rules that any discriminatory laws against aliens owning Earth media would violate the aliens’ constitutional rights. As the alien numbers swell, and the human birthrate plummets due to overcrowding and anti-natalist propaganda, humans become minorities in their own democracies, on their own planet.

    Historians will acknowledge that Humanity lost control of its own destiny the moment they lost control of their media, and the institutions that they still controlled refused to repatriate them, failing to recognize that media, like ports or the electrical grid, are critical infrastructure, and ownership over them must be guarded from hostile foreign entities.

    Some will argue that the aliens managed this great coup because their IQs were higher, others will argue it was because they ethnically networked, and were attune to the effective methods of strategic institutional control. Regardless of whether it was their strategy, or the high intelligence of the strategists, few argue that Humans were wise in failing defend themselves when they had the chance.

    Some say the last humans served as tourist attractions, others that they were rounded up and summarily murdered. No one really knows.

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    A masterful little synopsis, making me glad I'm old and won't live forever.

    Historians will acknowledge that Humanity lost control of its own destiny the moment they lost control of their media
     
    That's the only part which doesn't ring true, because History is Written by the Victors.
    , @Anonym
    Nice. That's similar to THEY LIVE but not exactly so.

    Elements of your story have been done quite a few times in Hollywood. It's a fairly obvious story for them. Usually they switch races, with the whites as bad guys. For example, in DARK CITY the Aliens are whiter than white. The protagonist is a plausibly Jewish looking guy. In THE MATRIX, the system is represented by very white NW Euro FBI guys, and the resistance is mostly mystery meat.

    Then there is the original INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS. It was literally species replacement, though I guess Communism was what the allegory was about.
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  50. If there were aliens visiting our solar system from anothger part of Milky Way galaxy, and they were advanced militarily, but ethically just, I wonder how theyd classify the United States, a just international actor on our planet, or a bully nation?

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  51. @Dr. X

    Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.
     
    Bring down our culture? That'll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?

    They could bring back human sacrifice and cannibal meat markets.

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  52. @Mr. Blank
    Wasn't this the plot of a Jamie Lee Curtis movie?

    Also quite well explored in Vernor Vinge’s excellent “A Deepness in the Sky”.

    And of course: MAXO signals: A new and unfortunate solution to the Fermi paradox. (which is a joke even thought it appears in Nature, in case anyone is confused)

    Inb4 “Jews in Space! It’s mighty dangerous out there!

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  53. @Anonymous
    The idea that the Chosenites are aliens, or a people whose genes were perhaps edited by aliens, was the thesis of a book by Marc Dem, a Frenchman, published in translation in English in the seventies (I read it then when it was a current paperback) as The Lost Tribes from Outer Space:

    Marc Dem, Bantam, 1977.
    summary by Feòrag NicBhrìde
    Lost Tribes book cover

    YAHWEH, God of Genesis, an extraterrestrial being. YAHWEH, who created man to colonize the planet. YAHWEH, who chose inspectors for a continuing surveillance of earth. YAHWEH who gave Jesus a surprising role in the cosmos. YAHWEH, who set up God's plan, a fateful meeting in space destined since creation... THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE.

    Lost, but how? At the whim and behest of Yahweh? Chosen, but how? Here, finally, is the true astonishing interpretation of the Book of Books that successfully explains an exciting new reality... the real beginnings of life on planet earth.

    This book, originally published in French in 1974, sets out to answer five "enigmas" regarding the Bible and the Jews, and in particular who the Jews are really, and why everyone hates them. The truth, it seems, is all in the Bible, as long as you read it literally, without all that mystical claptrap that's been laid upon it.

    Our journey starts, appropriately enough, with the accounts of creation given in the first two chapters of Genesis. It's well-known that there are two separate accounts, but Dem has noticed something odd about God:

    The Supreme Being, the Almighty, appears in the first few pages of Genesis. He seems to be the author of the first story of creation. But soon afterward we see a change of behavior, and the least that can be said about it is that it gives food for thought. [pp15-16]

    He notes that the Hebrew name is different in each account: the God of the first account is called Elohim, but that of the second is YHWH. The two are clearly different entities! Elohim is the real creator, so who is YHWH? YHWH merely "formed a man from the dust of the earth" rather than creating humanity, both male and female, from nothing. YHWH is not omniscient - he has to call out for Adam when he loses him.

    Dem's hypothesis is that YHWH is a technologically advanced space traveller, who created the Jews so that he could have someone to love him, whereas the rest of humanity was created by Elohim as early hominids, and evolved from there. Nobody likes the Jews because they're not from Earth!

    On the earth created by God, a space traveler implanted a breeding stock to be the origin of his people, a distinct chosen people, "the prince of peoples," who were given special attention by that powerful being from elsewhere. The Jews are not of this earth, and that is why they have always been oppressed by other peoples; their oppression is like the process of rejection that sometimes occurs in organ transplants... What is a Jew? The product of a selective process carried out through the ages, by methods I will attempt to describe.

    The Jews come from space, and they will return there. [pp19-20]

    The book explains various Biblical visions as sightings of YHWH's spaceship, and suggests that the Fatima sightings were of the same thing.

    Since the idea of a collective hallucination cannot be applied to the Fatima marvel any better than to Victor Hugo's funeral or the conquest of England by the Normans. we are entitled to look for a more solid hypothesis. Does it not seem to gave been found when we recall Joshua's battle in Gibeon? In both cases the sun took liberties with celestial mechanics; in both cases we are led to wonder if there was a confusion between two bodies of the same apparent size. The explanation may lie in a screen of clouds that was thought to have been dispersed but actually remained, made invisible by a new source of light. [p46]

    Dem goes into a lot of detail about YHWH's selective breeding programme, and notes how annoyed he gets when his people marry out. He explains how the Templars were persecuted because they knew all about it.

    The reason Jews are overrepresented in the sciences is because they are superior beings and also because YHWH regularly lets slip a little of his advanced knowledge. They built Stonehenge, too...

     

    http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/lfn/dem1977.html

    I favor David Ickes lizard people aliens theory of TPTB

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  54. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn't handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie... just as well - it sucked.

    As Hopkinsville Goblins have conclusiveley shown in ’55, Real Aliens (Real Transdimensionals, more like) give a fuck about lead shot coming out of blunderbusses of local peasants and just keep on walking!

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    I had never heard about that, El Dato, even after having spent some time in Christian county, KY. That was pretty damn hilarious, but also another example of freedoms lost. What a big deal it would be today if a family and friend started blasting away at some aliens that may or may not have been great horned owls. That is, if people got the law involved, as in this incident, nowadays it would become a "deal".

    “It is plausible, if not likely, that the ‘aliens’ were Great Horned Owls, and there is some evidence that the eyewitnesses may have been intoxicated during the ‘alien attack’
     
    Something to keep in mind next time you and friends have some brewskis on the porch at night.

    Way OT, but what isn't: iSteve readers might be pleased to know that the Jefferson Davis memorial, an obelisk(?), basically a big tower that resembles the Washington monument, still stands on the south side of US highway 68 (AIR), about 15 miles east of Hopkinsville, almost in the next county. I have not read of anyone complaining about it, but it'd take more equipment, skills, and energy to topple that thing than our young American Bolsheviks can muster so far. Go see it if you're out that way in SW Kentucky, as that area is just beautiful too.
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  55. @Autochthon
    Ahem. Please don't use the offensive term aliens. These are extraterrestrial Terrans.

    I like the sound of “extraterrestrial Terrans”, but I think that “undocumented Terrans” is more politically correct and would become the approved term.

    Would they be invited to Germany in large numbers and promptly eat the people holding “Welcome” signs? I certainly hope so!

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  56. @whorefinder

    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.
     
    Good point. It seems unbelievable that forty years after major studios were falling all over each other to push out the most expensive, non-revisionist Christian-centered blockbusters (The Greatest Story Ever Told was 1965, King of Kings was 1961, and the rest of the sword-and-sandal epics of the era), Gibson couldn't find distribution for his well-made, well-directed, well-acted religiously conservative film.

    But then you realize money is secondary to these folks. It's a nice perk, but not as nice as destroying Western Civilization.

    P.S. Mel Gibson has a real knack for knowing what type of film genres are ready for a comeback. Braveheart revitalized the military-battle epic, and The Passion of the Christ brought back the Bible epic. I wonder if he'll keep reviving this stuff. Will the screwball comedy or romantic comedy be the next genre he saves?

    Gibson marketed Passion of the Christ to Protestant and Catholic Churches for months before the release of the film. Parishioners came in buses and the movie made a fortune. Jehovah Witnesses 7 day Adventists Mormons, evangelicals everybody came.

    The liberals were sure the movie would be a flop until those church buses showed up

    A lot of people went to the movie just to show support for Gibson and Christianity and to show disdain for the atheist anti White anti Christian Hollywood Jews.

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  57. @Anonymous
    The idea that the Chosenites are aliens, or a people whose genes were perhaps edited by aliens, was the thesis of a book by Marc Dem, a Frenchman, published in translation in English in the seventies (I read it then when it was a current paperback) as The Lost Tribes from Outer Space:

    Marc Dem, Bantam, 1977.
    summary by Feòrag NicBhrìde
    Lost Tribes book cover

    YAHWEH, God of Genesis, an extraterrestrial being. YAHWEH, who created man to colonize the planet. YAHWEH, who chose inspectors for a continuing surveillance of earth. YAHWEH who gave Jesus a surprising role in the cosmos. YAHWEH, who set up God's plan, a fateful meeting in space destined since creation... THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE.

    Lost, but how? At the whim and behest of Yahweh? Chosen, but how? Here, finally, is the true astonishing interpretation of the Book of Books that successfully explains an exciting new reality... the real beginnings of life on planet earth.

    This book, originally published in French in 1974, sets out to answer five "enigmas" regarding the Bible and the Jews, and in particular who the Jews are really, and why everyone hates them. The truth, it seems, is all in the Bible, as long as you read it literally, without all that mystical claptrap that's been laid upon it.

    Our journey starts, appropriately enough, with the accounts of creation given in the first two chapters of Genesis. It's well-known that there are two separate accounts, but Dem has noticed something odd about God:

    The Supreme Being, the Almighty, appears in the first few pages of Genesis. He seems to be the author of the first story of creation. But soon afterward we see a change of behavior, and the least that can be said about it is that it gives food for thought. [pp15-16]

    He notes that the Hebrew name is different in each account: the God of the first account is called Elohim, but that of the second is YHWH. The two are clearly different entities! Elohim is the real creator, so who is YHWH? YHWH merely "formed a man from the dust of the earth" rather than creating humanity, both male and female, from nothing. YHWH is not omniscient - he has to call out for Adam when he loses him.

    Dem's hypothesis is that YHWH is a technologically advanced space traveller, who created the Jews so that he could have someone to love him, whereas the rest of humanity was created by Elohim as early hominids, and evolved from there. Nobody likes the Jews because they're not from Earth!

    On the earth created by God, a space traveler implanted a breeding stock to be the origin of his people, a distinct chosen people, "the prince of peoples," who were given special attention by that powerful being from elsewhere. The Jews are not of this earth, and that is why they have always been oppressed by other peoples; their oppression is like the process of rejection that sometimes occurs in organ transplants... What is a Jew? The product of a selective process carried out through the ages, by methods I will attempt to describe.

    The Jews come from space, and they will return there. [pp19-20]

    The book explains various Biblical visions as sightings of YHWH's spaceship, and suggests that the Fatima sightings were of the same thing.

    Since the idea of a collective hallucination cannot be applied to the Fatima marvel any better than to Victor Hugo's funeral or the conquest of England by the Normans. we are entitled to look for a more solid hypothesis. Does it not seem to gave been found when we recall Joshua's battle in Gibeon? In both cases the sun took liberties with celestial mechanics; in both cases we are led to wonder if there was a confusion between two bodies of the same apparent size. The explanation may lie in a screen of clouds that was thought to have been dispersed but actually remained, made invisible by a new source of light. [p46]

    Dem goes into a lot of detail about YHWH's selective breeding programme, and notes how annoyed he gets when his people marry out. He explains how the Templars were persecuted because they knew all about it.

    The reason Jews are overrepresented in the sciences is because they are superior beings and also because YHWH regularly lets slip a little of his advanced knowledge. They built Stonehenge, too...

     

    http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/lfn/dem1977.html

    There was a Mitchell Brothers movie about how an alien monkey was the God of Abraham.

    There was a spaceship from another planet. The human looking astronauts were comatose in glass coffins for the voyage. A trained monkey ran the spaceship.

    The monkey saw Abraham and his clan wandering the desert and decided to play some jokes

    The monkey spoke from the sky and told Abraham to circumcise himself. After that the monkey told Abraham’s clan to do bible story things Abrahsm’s Clan always obeyed the monkey dictating orders from his spaceship.

    Hilarious

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  58. @Michael S
    #WeAreAllSpaceAliens #NoExospheres #LoveTrumpsGravity

    #AirlockNofairlock #MeteorIsMurder #UranusMyanusOuranus

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  59. @whorefinder

    We should all thank Mel Gibson (The Passion) for, at least, stuffing the “profit is all” myth into a pine box, nailing it shut, and burying it in an undisclosed location.
     
    Good point. It seems unbelievable that forty years after major studios were falling all over each other to push out the most expensive, non-revisionist Christian-centered blockbusters (The Greatest Story Ever Told was 1965, King of Kings was 1961, and the rest of the sword-and-sandal epics of the era), Gibson couldn't find distribution for his well-made, well-directed, well-acted religiously conservative film.

    But then you realize money is secondary to these folks. It's a nice perk, but not as nice as destroying Western Civilization.

    P.S. Mel Gibson has a real knack for knowing what type of film genres are ready for a comeback. Braveheart revitalized the military-battle epic, and The Passion of the Christ brought back the Bible epic. I wonder if he'll keep reviving this stuff. Will the screwball comedy or romantic comedy be the next genre he saves?

    So Michael Eisner was just playing us, huh?

    “We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement. To make money is our only objective.”

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  60. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    #AirlockNofairlock #MeteorIsMurder #UranusMyanusOuranus

    Thank you.

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  61. @anon
    My worry is that middleman minority aliens are welcomed to Earth as refugees from another star system that recently ejected them. They buy up Earth media, and propagandize on behalf of more alien refugee immigration, while teaching humans to hate themselves for "how terribly they've treated the plants and animals."

    A populist "Earth for Humanity" grassroots political movement lobbies to break up the alien monopoly control of the media, but the media successfully paints them as "human supremacists." Several human youths spray paint an "H" for Humanity, onto an alien community center. The youths are arrested, and after a hysterical, multi-month media campaign are sentenced to eight years in prison. Ten months later it's found that the community center's own administrator had painted the H. This is reported in a footnote on page 37. In a landmark defeat for Earth for Humanity, the Supreme Court rules that any discriminatory laws against aliens owning Earth media would violate the aliens' constitutional rights. As the alien numbers swell, and the human birthrate plummets due to overcrowding and anti-natalist propaganda, humans become minorities in their own democracies, on their own planet.

    Historians will acknowledge that Humanity lost control of its own destiny the moment they lost control of their media, and the institutions that they still controlled refused to repatriate them, failing to recognize that media, like ports or the electrical grid, are critical infrastructure, and ownership over them must be guarded from hostile foreign entities.

    Some will argue that the aliens managed this great coup because their IQs were higher, others will argue it was because they ethnically networked, and were attune to the effective methods of strategic institutional control. Regardless of whether it was their strategy, or the high intelligence of the strategists, few argue that Humans were wise in failing defend themselves when they had the chance.

    Some say the last humans served as tourist attractions, others that they were rounded up and summarily murdered. No one really knows.

    A masterful little synopsis, making me glad I’m old and won’t live forever.

    Historians will acknowledge that Humanity lost control of its own destiny the moment they lost control of their media

    That’s the only part which doesn’t ring true, because History is Written by the Victors.

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  62. What our Corrupt and Illegitimate Establishment fears the most is average White Americans creating bonds with White Russians.

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  63. @C. Van Carter
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda

    I was thinking Murray Leinster’s “The Screaming Asteroid.” But this is good too.

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  64. @J.Ross
    That was "Signs," by R. Night S. of the twists, notable for its magnificent advertising campaign. The disappointingly conventional aliens also prove highly vulnerable to good old American baseball bats. Mel does his self-crucifixion thing as a preacher doomed to give last rites to his own wife.
    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

    Stanislaw Lem.

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    Hell yes, although I'm still waiting for a powerful representation of the Solaris Ocean. "His Master's Voice" was also very strong as an "alien message" story but somehow dissolved at the end because the author wanted to make some kind of contrived point I don't understand.

    OTOH, never underestimate the normative force of the physical universe. Even Aliens have to work within limits and may thus not be all that incomprehensible.

    Communication with Alien Intelligence (Marvin Minsky)
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  65. @Dr. X

    Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.
     
    Bring down our culture? That'll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?

    Bring down our culture? That’ll be quite a task, considering how low it already is. How are they going to go lower than the kiddie porn, the tattooed lesbians, and the transgenders? Gay-space-aliens-in-drag-bestiality porn?

    The more positive interpretation is that they’re actually trying to help us, which = “bring down” in the warped minds of SJW scum.

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  66. @Charles Pewitt
    http://n7.alamy.com/zooms/aac0e16a720b4dfa9425be0a641ffc41/russian-president-vladimir-putin-arrived-for-g8-summit-in-germany-bpderw.jpg

    https://twitter.com/canisverba/status/604905853976600576

    About 9 ales and I'd give Angela the go-ahead.

    That reminded me of ’80s miniseries “V”.

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  67. @J.Ross
    That was "Signs," by R. Night S. of the twists, notable for its magnificent advertising campaign. The disappointingly conventional aliens also prove highly vulnerable to good old American baseball bats. Mel does his self-crucifixion thing as a preacher doomed to give last rites to his own wife.
    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

    Thanks, Mr. Ross, I know I could have duckduckwent it, but I didn’t care enough. What kind of dicked-up name is “M. Night Shamalam” anyway? Who else does this? I can think of F. Scott Fitzgerald and J. Edgar Hoover. Just use your first or middle name, or go to the courthouse, pay $300 and change it to what works for you.

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  68. @whorefinder
    Signs (the movie of which you speak) is largely seen as the jumping the shark moment for director M. Night Shamylan. Before that, he'd been lauded as a genius with original twist endings (he did the Sixth Sense). After Signs, he was seen as a formulaic hack, something which his later films confirmed.

    The whole "aliens are vulnerable to water" thing in Signs was his attempt at homage/stealing of The War of the Worlds twist that ordinary earth germs were deadly to the aliens in that film. Except that, unlike the germs in War of the Worlds, which were unknown on Mars and unseeable on Earth, the water in Signs was literally visible from space, and since the aliens were attacking cities and large human gatherings, water was abundant in those areas. So he completely lost the good faith of the audience when he used that as an out, despite having Gibson, Joaquin Phoenix, and Cherry Jones in the cast.

    Yeah, the "no shotgun thing for a farmer" is also a huge boner.

    Signs, however, was a film about faith. The preacher loses his faith, but in the end it is restored by a mystical experience where he realizes his ex-wife's dying words at the beginning weren't gibberish or emotional death statements, but a vision to save the preacher later. I think a major reason studios allowed the massive dumping on M. Night following Signs and didn't defend him was that he was ultimately giving a mystical defense of Christianity.

    Yeah, The Sixth Sense was pretty cool, and smart on the writer’s part to make a movie which you have to go twice to. Once you get it, you have to see it again, so you can see if it still makes “sense” (no pun intended, but it works). Kinda like Fight Club except kinda not, because the latter movie was highly stupid. First Rule of Fight Club: YOU! DO! NOT! TALK! ABOUT! HOW! BAD! THE! MOVIE! SUCKS!

    About the Christianity in Signs, per you and Mr. Ross, I am not arguing but just didn’t notice that. I did understand the mystical/religious side of the movie, of course. It would just have made more sense if Gibson’s movie wife would have said, in her dying breath:

    “Remington 870, owwww… double-ought buck … shot … ooohhh … center-of-mass …. center-of-mass ……”

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  69. @El Dato
    As Hopkinsville Goblins have conclusiveley shown in '55, Real Aliens (Real Transdimensionals, more like) give a fuck about lead shot coming out of blunderbusses of local peasants and just keep on walking!

    I had never heard about that, El Dato, even after having spent some time in Christian county, KY. That was pretty damn hilarious, but also another example of freedoms lost. What a big deal it would be today if a family and friend started blasting away at some aliens that may or may not have been great horned owls. That is, if people got the law involved, as in this incident, nowadays it would become a “deal”.

    “It is plausible, if not likely, that the ‘aliens’ were Great Horned Owls, and there is some evidence that the eyewitnesses may have been intoxicated during the ‘alien attack’

    Something to keep in mind next time you and friends have some brewskis on the porch at night.

    Way OT, but what isn’t: iSteve readers might be pleased to know that the Jefferson Davis memorial, an obelisk(?), basically a big tower that resembles the Washington monument, still stands on the south side of US highway 68 (AIR), about 15 miles east of Hopkinsville, almost in the next county. I have not read of anyone complaining about it, but it’d take more equipment, skills, and energy to topple that thing than our young American Bolsheviks can muster so far. Go see it if you’re out that way in SW Kentucky, as that area is just beautiful too.

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  70. @Pericles

    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

     

    Stanislaw Lem.

    Hell yes, although I’m still waiting for a powerful representation of the Solaris Ocean. “His Master’s Voice” was also very strong as an “alien message” story but somehow dissolved at the end because the author wanted to make some kind of contrived point I don’t understand.

    OTOH, never underestimate the normative force of the physical universe. Even Aliens have to work within limits and may thus not be all that incomprehensible.

    Communication with Alien Intelligence (Marvin Minsky)

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  71. I hope NBC keeps writing about aliens. It makes the retards running the place obvious to middle America.

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  72. @anon
    My worry is that middleman minority aliens are welcomed to Earth as refugees from another star system that recently ejected them. They buy up Earth media, and propagandize on behalf of more alien refugee immigration, while teaching humans to hate themselves for "how terribly they've treated the plants and animals."

    A populist "Earth for Humanity" grassroots political movement lobbies to break up the alien monopoly control of the media, but the media successfully paints them as "human supremacists." Several human youths spray paint an "H" for Humanity, onto an alien community center. The youths are arrested, and after a hysterical, multi-month media campaign are sentenced to eight years in prison. Ten months later it's found that the community center's own administrator had painted the H. This is reported in a footnote on page 37. In a landmark defeat for Earth for Humanity, the Supreme Court rules that any discriminatory laws against aliens owning Earth media would violate the aliens' constitutional rights. As the alien numbers swell, and the human birthrate plummets due to overcrowding and anti-natalist propaganda, humans become minorities in their own democracies, on their own planet.

    Historians will acknowledge that Humanity lost control of its own destiny the moment they lost control of their media, and the institutions that they still controlled refused to repatriate them, failing to recognize that media, like ports or the electrical grid, are critical infrastructure, and ownership over them must be guarded from hostile foreign entities.

    Some will argue that the aliens managed this great coup because their IQs were higher, others will argue it was because they ethnically networked, and were attune to the effective methods of strategic institutional control. Regardless of whether it was their strategy, or the high intelligence of the strategists, few argue that Humans were wise in failing defend themselves when they had the chance.

    Some say the last humans served as tourist attractions, others that they were rounded up and summarily murdered. No one really knows.

    Nice. That’s similar to THEY LIVE but not exactly so.

    Elements of your story have been done quite a few times in Hollywood. It’s a fairly obvious story for them. Usually they switch races, with the whites as bad guys. For example, in DARK CITY the Aliens are whiter than white. The protagonist is a plausibly Jewish looking guy. In THE MATRIX, the system is represented by very white NW Euro FBI guys, and the resistance is mostly mystery meat.

    Then there is the original INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS. It was literally species replacement, though I guess Communism was what the allegory was about.

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  73. @J.Ross
    That was "Signs," by R. Night S. of the twists, notable for its magnificent advertising campaign. The disappointingly conventional aliens also prove highly vulnerable to good old American baseball bats. Mel does his self-crucifixion thing as a preacher doomed to give last rites to his own wife.
    Has anyone but Larry Niven and Hans Ruedi Giger done a truly alien alien?

    H.P. Lovecraft, in “The Colour out of Space”.

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  74. Xenophobia is not exactly the right word. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of the alien. I’m thinking of the 1979 Alien movie scene where they wander into the egg cave without any fear, rational or otherwise. Sometimes fear of the alien is warranted.

    Maybe ethnocentrism would be better for what Svigor was trying to convey?

    Yeah, either one. Western European populations are way better at the high trust part than they are the ethnocentrism part.

    Really I think we are looking for high trust of in-group, and as regards out-groups:

    Yes. Time to end pathological universalism and replace it with universal nationalism; universal national conservation.

    I am not sure what exactly to call this. It’s not xenophobia. If ethnocentrism, maybe it needs an adjective. e.g. measured, polite, cordial. One might imagine say, Michael Caine in the role of the few roles he has played as a toff, sitting down for elevenses being cordially ethnocentric.

    It’s nationalism without extremism: plain ole nationalism or ethnonationalism or ethnopatriotism.

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  75. @Anonym
    Svigor - from the Denmark thread. If we are talking about xenophobia, this is probably a better thread for it.

    The middle ground is high trust + xenophobia. Dual morality.

    Xenophobia is not exactly the right word. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of the alien. I'm thinking of the 1979 Alien movie scene where they wander into the egg cave without any fear, rational or otherwise. Sometimes fear of the alien is warranted.

    Maybe ethnocentrism would be better for what Svigor was trying to convey? Really I think we are looking for high trust of in-group, and as regards out-groups:
    -cordial relations in diplomacy and temporary visits, unless in state of war.
    -preference and push to exclude the out-group from our territory except for limited diplomatic/trade missions.
    -a healthy caution towards those in our territory.
    -a strong preference for our laws to favor our own.
    -in a mixed society, a group loyalty that favors those of our own who do the right thing, and applies sanctions (such as shunning) to the traitors among us.
    -a general "Is it good for the whites (in the long term)?" philosophy.

    I am not sure what exactly to call this. It's not xenophobia. If ethnocentrism, maybe it needs an adjective. e.g. measured, polite, cordial. One might imagine say, Michael Caine in the role of the few roles he has played as a toff, sitting down for elevenses being cordially ethnocentric.

    But then again most of the definitions put ethnocentrism as the belief that your own ethnic group is superior to others. This need not be the case. However, the idea is that you should preference your own, for reasons of survival and long-term better outcomes for your ethnic group, which will of course include yourself and family. I think "ethnocentrism" as used already does include this definition. Perhaps ethnically partisan, or ethnopreference, or something of that nature might be a better way to put it.

    I’m thinking of the 1979 Alien movie scene where they wander into the egg cave without any fear, rational or otherwise.

    Their personalities varied. Kane volunteered to go and wanted to keep pressing on when exploring the derelict alien space craft. Lambert was miserable when picked by Captain Dallas for the exploration team and kept wanting to turn back.

    Sometimes fear of the alien is warranted.

    Kane sure found that out.

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  76. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speaking of Mel Gibson, aliens, and because guns have been big in the news and discussion on unz lately:

    There was a movie Mel Gibson starred in, with some aliens, which I remember I just about switched off due to the political correctness of it, and this was probably 20 years back. See, Mel Gibson lived on a farm and did not even own a shotgun. It just seemed like complete bullshit, as he could really have used one too, after these skinny aliens had invaded his house.

    It turned out, that plain old water was poison to these aliens. If they couldn't handle water, I bet lead shot would have done them in, but what do I know? Ooops, did that spoil the movie... just as well - it sucked.

    Funny, I thought that I was the only person who thought that the lack of any type of gun in the house of a Pennsylvania farmer was so conspicuous that it was intentional as an ideological message from the filmmaker, not to mention a distraction that moved the movie from poor to unwatchable. (When I mentioned this theory to others, they looked at me like I was crazy.)

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