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Commenter Venator writes:

From the German wikipedia, too good not to translate:

“Mit dem Gewinn der Goldmedaille beendete Jenner die sportliche Laufbahn und begann eine Karriere als Filmschauspielerin, allerdings mit Männerrollen.”

After winning the gold medal, Jenner ended the sports career and started a career as an actress, although with male roles.

 
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  1. That is so transphobic.

    It should read ‘Jenner won the gold medal as a female athlete, although in men’s competition.’

  2. Kudos to the make-up department and wardrobe for facilitating Jenner’s ability to play men’s roles as an actress. Academy Award stuff.

  3. So now Wikipedia has become an iSteve content generator. Where will this stop?

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Right? David Brooks, NYT, Wikipedia..... It's almost like we're steadily moving towards a state of iSteve-Content-Generation-Singularity. We'll know it's fully in effect when The Onion finally throws up its hands in frustration and says, "Eff this. I quit!"

    Two more years on this path and he won't have time to blog about golf course architecture.
  4. “After winning the gold medal, Jenner ended the sports career and started a career as an actress, although with male roles.”

    I understand Mr/s Jenner has just been offered the lead role in a new TV series: “T’s Company”-Where the Kisses are Hers and His and Its.

  5. Bruce Jenner is a woman like a fish needs a bicycle.

    • Replies: @el topo
    This comment section needs "like" buttons.
  6. So if, let’s say, James Watson decided in his dotage that he was really a woman, think of what a leap that would be for feminism.

    “In 1953, Ms Watson made one of the most important advances in the history of science, when she discovered the structure of the DNA molecule with Francis Crick” (who cannot, alas, be posthumously transgendered).

    • Replies: @Casey
    It's pretty well accepted that Watson could never have done it without stealing all of Rosalind Franklins results to get there, so no, after that it wouldn't be much of a leap;)
  7. we have always been at war with Eastasia

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Foseti, any plans to return to blogging?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    What happened to your blogging? I enjoyed reading you.
  8. If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition.

    • Replies: @el topo
    I guess he proved women really can beat men at athletics. (I better be careful: this meme might be picked up by SJWs).
    , @sabril
    "If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition."

    That's if you think that the Olympic track and field should have "men only" and "women only" events. I think the two divisions should be called "open" and "women only." It would not affect the results, but it would help people to understand that gender segregation in track (and most sports) is solely a special accommodation for female athletes.
  9. @Foseti
    we have always been at war with Eastasia

    Foseti, any plans to return to blogging?

  10. …born the youngest of three daughters, her parents identified her as a son…

  11. It just shows you what tremendous acting skills Jenner possesses, as none of her viewers even realized she was only playing a male role.

  12. Filmschauspielerin

    Genau.

  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jenner must be the ultimate publicity hound and exhibitionist as well as scooping up as much money as can be generated. I fully expect that when he finally goes in for his last round of final surgery and his wizzer goes on the chopping block he’ll auction it off to the highest bidder, mounted or floating in a jar of formaldehyde, on television. $30M starting bid seems reasonable, coming wrapped in an olympic-style ribbon.

  14. With all the retconning going on in regards to one William B. Jenner, we may now be witnessing the largest-ever experiment on how grue/bleen-like epistemology problems are addressed in real life: http://www.loyno.edu/~folse/grue.html

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dick Johnson at the New York Post reports:

    “Caitlyn Jenner still has her penis”

    http://pagesix.com/2015/06/03/caityln-jenner-still-has-her-penis/

    It’s a woman’s prerogative, and it’s not too late for Caitlyn Jenner to change her mind.

    Sources say the former Olympic decathlon champion still has her penis, and could revert to being a man, if being Caitlyn doesn’t work out.

    For just this reason, most doctors advise gender reassignment patients to wait at least a year after their transitions before undergoing genital reconstruction.

    “The new vagina can be made by folding in the scrotum and sometimes using a piece of colon, but it is major surgery,” one plastic surgeon told me.

    In the meantime, Caitlyn can use the same trick employed by drag queens. “Since Ms. Jenner has been on hormones for a while, the male genitalia would have shrunken. So a transgender will ‘tuck’ the penis in, allowing for a [lingerie] photo like Annie Leibovitz’s [for Vanity Fair].”

    If Caitlyn stops taking female hormones, her package will grow back, said the doc. “Everything Caitlyn has done to date is reversible.”

    The change in gender could also change Jenner’s sexual orientation. While the athlete told Diane Sawyer he was always attracted to women, she is now unsure if she is a lesbian, or if she will be attracted to men.

    Either way, it’s not a priority, she told Vanity Fair: “If you have a list of 10 reasons to transition, sex would be No. 10.”

    • Replies: @anon
    “Everything Caitlyn has done to date is reversible.”

    Not true. Dignity cannot be regrown.
    , @anony
    "unsure if she is a lesbian". The vast majority of men who become women don't change their sexual orientation so this seems highly unlikely, perhaps even deliberately misleading. Interestingly these men who claim that they were always women, just born into the wrong body, should if randomly drawn from the general population be attracted to men, as are 95% of women. In fact the reverse is true the vast majority wish to sleep with women before and after re-assignment.
  16. Waiting for Wikipedia to state he was in a lesbian relationship with Kris Jenner …

    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    The Wikipedia entry for "List of Athletes Appearing on Wheaties" has been footnoted to reflect Bruce's gender identity disorder. So it'll likely happen.
  17. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Daniel H
    Bruce Jenner is a woman like a fish needs a bicycle.

    This comment section needs “like” buttons.

  18. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Bruce Jenner really is a woman=The Blessings of Diversity=prelude to nuclear WW3 with Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia…..YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

  19. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition.

    I guess he proved women really can beat men at athletics. (I better be careful: this meme might be picked up by SJWs).

  20. @Pseudonymic Handle
    If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition.

    “If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition.”

    That’s if you think that the Olympic track and field should have “men only” and “women only” events. I think the two divisions should be called “open” and “women only.” It would not affect the results, but it would help people to understand that gender segregation in track (and most sports) is solely a special accommodation for female athletes.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    In order for the track and field events to complete in a reasonable time they have qualification times. They have an A standard and a B standard. If an athlete cannot make the qualification times they can only compete if they are the only athlete from some country. This rule is to make it truly international although most countries won't send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.

    No woman could make the qualification standards in the men's field.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Olympic_A_standard
    , @Casey
    It is not a "special accommodation" it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man, unless you think women should be excluded altogether from competitions. Women are not simply "inferior men" who should throw in the towel and not bother with sports. why would you suggest that?
  21. I should have posted this here instead of the on the other Jenner story, but I saw some video on TV last night of the Vanity Fair cover shoot. Jenner looks NOTHING like the person on the cover. He still looks like the creature he was a month ago when he started this charade. Looks like one of those old men who cross dresses and wanders around in public in heels, pearls, derby day hat and white gloves. A sad old fag in drag. And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.
     
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/b8/19/94b81906ffe3b103935501abc5ddf053.jpg

    Apparently she doesn't think so. This is just one of her self-portraits.

    NSFW
  22. Well, I consulted several different language versions on wiki about Caitlyn, and none of them explain how the six kids happened. They are all “Caitlyn then married Suzie, and she had two children with her” type stuff.

    So when are we going to get “Parthenojennersis” as a coinage? Or will that be trademarked?

    Also, how exactly does Caitlin Flanagan feel about all this?

    Also, anybody have any reports on little Caitlyns or Caitlins getting grief in second grade? It’s gotta be right around the corner.

    • Replies: @Jackie
    Hahahahahaha parthenojennersis is the funniest thing I've read in a great long while. Hahahahahahahahah
  23. I really don’t care about this whole Jenner thing, but I am surprised by my reaction to that Vanity Fair picture. It produces such a primal feeling of repulsion and disgust that I can’t help but immediately scroll away and avert my eyes. In fact, I really wish that any article on this subject not have the picture posted on the linkage (get a clue, Facebook friends) so I can avoid having to see it, for however briefly. Is it normal to feel this way?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Have exactly the same feeling about the picture, Hopalong, and about being forced to look at it every time I log onto a website.

    Is that feeling of revulsion normal? As normal as a million-plus years of hominid evolution. And after the freak show of the eight-year "fringe ascendency" is over, it's evolution that will win the day.
    , @Anonymous
    You have to remember that she's 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.
  24. @Cloudswrest
    Waiting for Wikipedia to state he was in a lesbian relationship with Kris Jenner ...

    The Wikipedia entry for “List of Athletes Appearing on Wheaties” has been footnoted to reflect Bruce’s gender identity disorder. So it’ll likely happen.

  25. @Anonymous
    Dick Johnson at the New York Post reports:

    "Caitlyn Jenner still has her penis"

    http://pagesix.com/2015/06/03/caityln-jenner-still-has-her-penis/

    It’s a woman’s prerogative, and it’s not too late for Caitlyn Jenner to change her mind.

    Sources say the former Olympic decathlon champion still has her penis, and could revert to being a man, if being Caitlyn doesn’t work out.

    For just this reason, most doctors advise gender reassignment patients to wait at least a year after their transitions before undergoing genital reconstruction.

    “The new vagina can be made by folding in the scrotum and sometimes using a piece of colon, but it is major surgery,” one plastic surgeon told me.

    In the meantime, Caitlyn can use the same trick employed by drag queens. “Since Ms. Jenner has been on hormones for a while, the male genitalia would have shrunken. So a transgender will ‘tuck’ the penis in, allowing for a [lingerie] photo like Annie Leibovitz’s [for Vanity Fair].”

    If Caitlyn stops taking female hormones, her package will grow back, said the doc. “Everything Caitlyn has done to date is reversible.”

    The change in gender could also change Jenner’s sexual orientation. While the athlete told Diane Sawyer he was always attracted to women, she is now unsure if she is a lesbian, or if she will be attracted to men.

    Either way, it’s not a priority, she told Vanity Fair: “If you have a list of 10 reasons to transition, sex would be No. 10.”
     

    “Everything Caitlyn has done to date is reversible.”

    Not true. Dignity cannot be regrown.

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Even if you are ‘trans positive’ and are gung-ho supportive of the sex change… I don’t understand why they are trying to retroactively make him a woman in the past.

    Obviously, he was a man, that’s not in question – he won his medals as a male and fathered children, and identified *himself* as male.

    Even if you respect his wishes, and refer to him as a ‘woman’ after the surgery/ hormone treatment. Why alter the past?

    Those Wikipedia entries are completely bizarre …they’re actually far more strange than Jenner’s condition/procedures

    • Replies: @hbd chick
    "Those Wikipedia entries are completely bizarre …they’re actually far more strange than Jenner’s condition/procedures"

    that's what i keep thinking.

    this, by brendan o'neill, is fantastic, btw: Call me Caitlyn or else: the rise of authoritarian transgender politics
    , @TangoMan
    I don’t understand why they are trying to retroactively make him a woman in the past.

    There is a narrative which has to be maintained. Gender identity exists in the brain and people are born this way. From this it follows that Jenner was born this way and that he was born a woman. A corollary here is that because gender exists in the brain the sex of Jenner is immaterial. Therefore Jenner was a woman because he was born that way and how dare you call him a man by noting that he looked like a man and had a penis.

    To admit that he was a man undercuts the narrative that the body doesn't count. He must be a woman in order to hold this worldview together.
  27. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I really don't care about this whole Jenner thing, but I am surprised by my reaction to that Vanity Fair picture. It produces such a primal feeling of repulsion and disgust that I can't help but immediately scroll away and avert my eyes. In fact, I really wish that any article on this subject not have the picture posted on the linkage (get a clue, Facebook friends) so I can avoid having to see it, for however briefly. Is it normal to feel this way?

    Have exactly the same feeling about the picture, Hopalong, and about being forced to look at it every time I log onto a website.

    Is that feeling of revulsion normal? As normal as a million-plus years of hominid evolution. And after the freak show of the eight-year “fringe ascendency” is over, it’s evolution that will win the day.

  28. I think we have reached Peak Liberal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They have not yet begun to Peak.
  29. LBD says:

    @Hapalong: I had the identical reaction of nausea, I actually had some bile come up in my mouth, when I saw that picture (and I’m a woman). I think the media are deliberately “flooding” us with this image precisely to overcome this natural visceral response and re-norm us to accept it.

  30. @Anonymous
    Dick Johnson at the New York Post reports:

    "Caitlyn Jenner still has her penis"

    http://pagesix.com/2015/06/03/caityln-jenner-still-has-her-penis/

    It’s a woman’s prerogative, and it’s not too late for Caitlyn Jenner to change her mind.

    Sources say the former Olympic decathlon champion still has her penis, and could revert to being a man, if being Caitlyn doesn’t work out.

    For just this reason, most doctors advise gender reassignment patients to wait at least a year after their transitions before undergoing genital reconstruction.

    “The new vagina can be made by folding in the scrotum and sometimes using a piece of colon, but it is major surgery,” one plastic surgeon told me.

    In the meantime, Caitlyn can use the same trick employed by drag queens. “Since Ms. Jenner has been on hormones for a while, the male genitalia would have shrunken. So a transgender will ‘tuck’ the penis in, allowing for a [lingerie] photo like Annie Leibovitz’s [for Vanity Fair].”

    If Caitlyn stops taking female hormones, her package will grow back, said the doc. “Everything Caitlyn has done to date is reversible.”

    The change in gender could also change Jenner’s sexual orientation. While the athlete told Diane Sawyer he was always attracted to women, she is now unsure if she is a lesbian, or if she will be attracted to men.

    Either way, it’s not a priority, she told Vanity Fair: “If you have a list of 10 reasons to transition, sex would be No. 10.”
     

    “unsure if she is a lesbian”. The vast majority of men who become women don’t change their sexual orientation so this seems highly unlikely, perhaps even deliberately misleading. Interestingly these men who claim that they were always women, just born into the wrong body, should if randomly drawn from the general population be attracted to men, as are 95% of women. In fact the reverse is true the vast majority wish to sleep with women before and after re-assignment.

  31. @sabril
    "If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition."

    That's if you think that the Olympic track and field should have "men only" and "women only" events. I think the two divisions should be called "open" and "women only." It would not affect the results, but it would help people to understand that gender segregation in track (and most sports) is solely a special accommodation for female athletes.

    In order for the track and field events to complete in a reasonable time they have qualification times. They have an A standard and a B standard. If an athlete cannot make the qualification times they can only compete if they are the only athlete from some country. This rule is to make it truly international although most countries won’t send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.

    No woman could make the qualification standards in the men’s field.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Olympic_A_standard

    • Replies: @sabril
    "No woman could make the qualification standards in the men’s field."

    I agree, but what's your point?
    , @International Jew

    most countries won’t send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.
     
    Caitlin Jenner's PR was about 10.7.

    Maybe the next thing will be rewriting the women's track & field record book in events where Caitlin's performance would be a women's world record. Shot put, discus, javelin, high jump, maybe the 400...
  32. gjk says:

    You guys will not believe this, but German Wikipedia editors are probably far more cuckoo for cocoa puffs than even American or Anglophone wikipedophiles. The “fact” that race doesn’t exist and never has is asserted with such a doubt free self-confidence, it’s almost as if they cannot conceive that it could be any other way. Anglosphere shitlibs will at least write as if they are aware of bigots that have the nerve to assert otherwise.

  33. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I really don't care about this whole Jenner thing, but I am surprised by my reaction to that Vanity Fair picture. It produces such a primal feeling of repulsion and disgust that I can't help but immediately scroll away and avert my eyes. In fact, I really wish that any article on this subject not have the picture posted on the linkage (get a clue, Facebook friends) so I can avoid having to see it, for however briefly. Is it normal to feel this way?

    You have to remember that she’s 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    • Replies: @gjk
    Why are you referring to him as a woman?
    , @SPMoore8
    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    That is just complete nonsense. Jenner resembles Mariska Hargitay the way Michael Jackson resembled Elizabeth Taylor, and we "middle aged or older straight men" can tell the difference. Not to say that older men do not appreciate their peers in age. In fact, one of the benefits of getting older is that all women start to look attractive. Shoot, even Grandma Moses is starting to look pretty good.
    , @Wilkey
    "You have to remember that she’s 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women. Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn."

    Bullshit.

    I have foresworn prostitution. I've had dry spells, but I can't imagine ever getting sexually so desperate that I would sleep with a whore, but I would sooner use a prostitute than sleep with an ex-dude. Pretty sure I'll feel that way 27 years from now, too.

    Besides that, 65-year-old men have two other factors in their favor why they wouldn't sleep with Caitlyn: 1) declining libido; 2) higher death rates for men, which makes it easier for older men to find female companionship.
  34. @Buffalo Joe
    I should have posted this here instead of the on the other Jenner story, but I saw some video on TV last night of the Vanity Fair cover shoot. Jenner looks NOTHING like the person on the cover. He still looks like the creature he was a month ago when he started this charade. Looks like one of those old men who cross dresses and wanders around in public in heels, pearls, derby day hat and white gloves. A sad old fag in drag. And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.

    And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.

    Apparently she doesn’t think so. This is just one of her self-portraits.

    NSFW

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    You're right, apparently she thinks she looks good in the nude, reminiscent of her pregnant Demi Moore photo . Maybe she'll do a nude Caitlyn shoot next.
    , @Anonymous
    Is that a pregnant Noam Chomsky?
    , @Moderate Mom
    God, I hope she's pregnant in that photo. Otherwise, girl, put your clothes back on.
  35. Curious as to why no one is discussing Jenner’s first acting role in Alan Carr’s Can’t Stop the Music, the film that tells the origination story for those superheroes, “The Village People”. Pretty weird, but admittedly funky stuff. Despite all the camp, the movie never directly references the gay angle to the VP, but apparently there are some gay porn star cameos for those in the know. Pretty interesting choice for first acting role.

    The “Milkshake” musical number featured an eight year old leather daddy, or maybe leather kiddie is more accurate.

    Unfortunately, the movie was a flop as it was released in 1980 after the disco craze had crashed. Like the unhip yuppies still trying to go to discos in the early eighties in Whit Stilman’s brilliant “Last Days of Disco”, Jenner’s first film was a man without a country.

  36. @Anonym
    I think we have reached Peak Liberal.

    They have not yet begun to Peak.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Really, where can they go from here? Maybe this says more about my (lack of) imagination, as someone who could not have imagined a decade ago that we would have gay marriage now. But as far as the WWLGBTWTFBBQ wars are concerned, the remaining holdouts (multiples, family, underage, animals, vegetables, minerals) would seem to be a bridge too far. But what do I know.
  37. @Kylie

    And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.
     
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/b8/19/94b81906ffe3b103935501abc5ddf053.jpg

    Apparently she doesn't think so. This is just one of her self-portraits.

    NSFW

    You’re right, apparently she thinks she looks good in the nude, reminiscent of her pregnant Demi Moore photo . Maybe she’ll do a nude Caitlyn shoot next.

  38. @Anonymous
    Even if you are 'trans positive' and are gung-ho supportive of the sex change... I don't understand why they are trying to retroactively make him a woman in the past.

    Obviously, he was a man, that's not in question - he won his medals as a male and fathered children, and identified *himself* as male.

    Even if you respect his wishes, and refer to him as a 'woman' after the surgery/ hormone treatment. Why alter the past?

    Those Wikipedia entries are completely bizarre ...they're actually far more strange than Jenner's condition/procedures

    “Those Wikipedia entries are completely bizarre …they’re actually far more strange than Jenner’s condition/procedures”

    that’s what i keep thinking.

    this, by brendan o’neill, is fantastic, btw: Call me Caitlyn or else: the rise of authoritarian transgender politics

  39. @Anonymous
    You have to remember that she's 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    Why are you referring to him as a woman?

  40. @Kylie

    And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.
     
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/b8/19/94b81906ffe3b103935501abc5ddf053.jpg

    Apparently she doesn't think so. This is just one of her self-portraits.

    NSFW

    Is that a pregnant Noam Chomsky?

  41. @Anonymous
    You have to remember that she's 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    That is just complete nonsense. Jenner resembles Mariska Hargitay the way Michael Jackson resembled Elizabeth Taylor, and we “middle aged or older straight men” can tell the difference. Not to say that older men do not appreciate their peers in age. In fact, one of the benefits of getting older is that all women start to look attractive. Shoot, even Grandma Moses is starting to look pretty good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Caitlin looks better than most women do at 65, and most men that age wouldn't pass up on that if they had the chance.
  42. @Anonymous
    You have to remember that she's 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women.

    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    “You have to remember that she’s 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women. Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn.”

    Bullshit.

    I have foresworn prostitution. I’ve had dry spells, but I can’t imagine ever getting sexually so desperate that I would sleep with a whore, but I would sooner use a prostitute than sleep with an ex-dude. Pretty sure I’ll feel that way 27 years from now, too.

    Besides that, 65-year-old men have two other factors in their favor why they wouldn’t sleep with Caitlyn: 1) declining libido; 2) higher death rates for men, which makes it easier for older men to find female companionship.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So you're 38. I'm not talking about 38 year old guys. Also, we've had hardcore internet porn for 20 years now, which can obviously get men through dry spells, so foreswearing prostitution is not some big deal.
  43. One wishes he’d taken the name Josephine, just to rub it in.

    If a man identifies as Napoleon, everyone agrees he’s certifiably nuts.

    But if identifies as Josephine, everyone agrees that you’re certifiably nuts if you say he’s certifiably nuts.

    What a world….

  44. @sabril
    "If he was always a woman they should take back his medals from men competition."

    That's if you think that the Olympic track and field should have "men only" and "women only" events. I think the two divisions should be called "open" and "women only." It would not affect the results, but it would help people to understand that gender segregation in track (and most sports) is solely a special accommodation for female athletes.

    It is not a “special accommodation” it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man, unless you think women should be excluded altogether from competitions. Women are not simply “inferior men” who should throw in the towel and not bother with sports. why would you suggest that?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    That's a very cisnormative, heterogendered, transcishomoheteronormaphobic way of thinking about things.

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women's athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for "men" and "women" should no longer exist.
    , @sabril
    "It is not a 'special accommodation' it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man,"

    On the assumption that this is just parody of SJW nonsense, I'm not going to respond.
  45. @Kylie

    And, Annie Liebowitz is strange looking.
     
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/b8/19/94b81906ffe3b103935501abc5ddf053.jpg

    Apparently she doesn't think so. This is just one of her self-portraits.

    NSFW

    God, I hope she’s pregnant in that photo. Otherwise, girl, put your clothes back on.

  46. @Rob McX
    So if, let's say, James Watson decided in his dotage that he was really a woman, think of what a leap that would be for feminism.

    "In 1953, Ms Watson made one of the most important advances in the history of science, when she discovered the structure of the DNA molecule with Francis Crick" (who cannot, alas, be posthumously transgendered).

    It’s pretty well accepted that Watson could never have done it without stealing all of Rosalind Franklins results to get there, so no, after that it wouldn’t be much of a leap;)

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Her x-ray images were viewed, not stolen. Sharing data is commonplace in science.
  47. @Wilkey
    "You have to remember that she’s 65 years old. Compare her to other 65 year old women, not young women. Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn."

    Bullshit.

    I have foresworn prostitution. I've had dry spells, but I can't imagine ever getting sexually so desperate that I would sleep with a whore, but I would sooner use a prostitute than sleep with an ex-dude. Pretty sure I'll feel that way 27 years from now, too.

    Besides that, 65-year-old men have two other factors in their favor why they wouldn't sleep with Caitlyn: 1) declining libido; 2) higher death rates for men, which makes it easier for older men to find female companionship.

    So you’re 38. I’m not talking about 38 year old guys. Also, we’ve had hardcore internet porn for 20 years now, which can obviously get men through dry spells, so foreswearing prostitution is not some big deal.

  48. @SPMoore8
    Most middle aged and older straight men would sleep with a woman like Caitlyn. And a lot of them would even if they knew she used to be Bruce.

    That is just complete nonsense. Jenner resembles Mariska Hargitay the way Michael Jackson resembled Elizabeth Taylor, and we "middle aged or older straight men" can tell the difference. Not to say that older men do not appreciate their peers in age. In fact, one of the benefits of getting older is that all women start to look attractive. Shoot, even Grandma Moses is starting to look pretty good.

    Caitlin looks better than most women do at 65, and most men that age wouldn’t pass up on that if they had the chance.

  49. @Casey
    It is not a "special accommodation" it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man, unless you think women should be excluded altogether from competitions. Women are not simply "inferior men" who should throw in the towel and not bother with sports. why would you suggest that?

    That’s a very cisnormative, heterogendered, transcishomoheteronormaphobic way of thinking about things.

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women’s athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for “men” and “women” should no longer exist.

    • Replies: @Casey
    Lol. But that brings up a good point. If the physical differences between men and women are mainly caused by hormones, maybe transgenders competing (after hormone therapy) doesn't really change the status quo too much?
    , @ben tillman

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women’s athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for “men” and “women” should no longer exist.
     
    It started almost 40 years with Richard Raskind successfully suing to play as a woman in the US Open.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards
  50. @Casey
    It's pretty well accepted that Watson could never have done it without stealing all of Rosalind Franklins results to get there, so no, after that it wouldn't be much of a leap;)

    Her x-ray images were viewed, not stolen. Sharing data is commonplace in science.

    • Replies: @Casey
    "Shared" behind peoples backs? LOL, no that is not "commonplace in science". And it was more than the x-ray image (and even that would not have been possible without her hard work perfecting the technique), they were stalking her for months. They also used her measurements of the DNA, and took her advice to put the nitogenous bases on the inside, rather than the outside as they had it in their first version of the model. Crick later admitted she would have probably reached the answer within weeks/months. Without them, while they would not EVER have gotten there without her data. They would never get away with it today.
  51. @Wilkey
    Her x-ray images were viewed, not stolen. Sharing data is commonplace in science.

    “Shared” behind peoples backs? LOL, no that is not “commonplace in science”. And it was more than the x-ray image (and even that would not have been possible without her hard work perfecting the technique), they were stalking her for months. They also used her measurements of the DNA, and took her advice to put the nitogenous bases on the inside, rather than the outside as they had it in their first version of the model. Crick later admitted she would have probably reached the answer within weeks/months. Without them, while they would not EVER have gotten there without her data. They would never get away with it today.

  52. @Wilkey
    That's a very cisnormative, heterogendered, transcishomoheteronormaphobic way of thinking about things.

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women's athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for "men" and "women" should no longer exist.

    Lol. But that brings up a good point. If the physical differences between men and women are mainly caused by hormones, maybe transgenders competing (after hormone therapy) doesn’t really change the status quo too much?

  53. The administration proclaimed June to be LGBT month. In the proclamation sent out to government employees, Obama especially emphasized the “transgendered”, more so than in previous years. This is a concerted media/government (soon, no doubt, to be joined by business and the military) campaign to push this lady-boy crap. It is a war on the very concept of normal.

  54. @Anonymous
    Even if you are 'trans positive' and are gung-ho supportive of the sex change... I don't understand why they are trying to retroactively make him a woman in the past.

    Obviously, he was a man, that's not in question - he won his medals as a male and fathered children, and identified *himself* as male.

    Even if you respect his wishes, and refer to him as a 'woman' after the surgery/ hormone treatment. Why alter the past?

    Those Wikipedia entries are completely bizarre ...they're actually far more strange than Jenner's condition/procedures

    I don’t understand why they are trying to retroactively make him a woman in the past.

    There is a narrative which has to be maintained. Gender identity exists in the brain and people are born this way. From this it follows that Jenner was born this way and that he was born a woman. A corollary here is that because gender exists in the brain the sex of Jenner is immaterial. Therefore Jenner was a woman because he was born that way and how dare you call him a man by noting that he looked like a man and had a penis.

    To admit that he was a man undercuts the narrative that the body doesn’t count. He must be a woman in order to hold this worldview together.

  55. @MarkinLA
    In order for the track and field events to complete in a reasonable time they have qualification times. They have an A standard and a B standard. If an athlete cannot make the qualification times they can only compete if they are the only athlete from some country. This rule is to make it truly international although most countries won't send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.

    No woman could make the qualification standards in the men's field.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Olympic_A_standard

    “No woman could make the qualification standards in the men’s field.”

    I agree, but what’s your point?

  56. @Casey
    It is not a "special accommodation" it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man, unless you think women should be excluded altogether from competitions. Women are not simply "inferior men" who should throw in the towel and not bother with sports. why would you suggest that?

    “It is not a ‘special accommodation’ it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man,”

    On the assumption that this is just parody of SJW nonsense, I’m not going to respond.

    • Replies: @Casey
    But actually, you did respond. And your comment doesn't make sense. But I won't complain;)
  57. @Steve Sailer
    They have not yet begun to Peak.

    Really, where can they go from here? Maybe this says more about my (lack of) imagination, as someone who could not have imagined a decade ago that we would have gay marriage now. But as far as the WWLGBTWTFBBQ wars are concerned, the remaining holdouts (multiples, family, underage, animals, vegetables, minerals) would seem to be a bridge too far. But what do I know.

  58. @International Jew
    So now Wikipedia has become an iSteve content generator. Where will this stop?

    Right? David Brooks, NYT, Wikipedia….. It’s almost like we’re steadily moving towards a state of iSteve-Content-Generation-Singularity. We’ll know it’s fully in effect when The Onion finally throws up its hands in frustration and says, “Eff this. I quit!”

    Two more years on this path and he won’t have time to blog about golf course architecture.

  59. @SPMoore8
    Well, I consulted several different language versions on wiki about Caitlyn, and none of them explain how the six kids happened. They are all "Caitlyn then married Suzie, and she had two children with her" type stuff.

    So when are we going to get "Parthenojennersis" as a coinage? Or will that be trademarked?

    Also, how exactly does Caitlin Flanagan feel about all this?

    Also, anybody have any reports on little Caitlyns or Caitlins getting grief in second grade? It's gotta be right around the corner.

    Hahahahahaha parthenojennersis is the funniest thing I’ve read in a great long while. Hahahahahahahahah

  60. @MarkinLA
    In order for the track and field events to complete in a reasonable time they have qualification times. They have an A standard and a B standard. If an athlete cannot make the qualification times they can only compete if they are the only athlete from some country. This rule is to make it truly international although most countries won't send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.

    No woman could make the qualification standards in the men's field.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Olympic_A_standard

    most countries won’t send an 11 second 100 meter runner to the games.

    Caitlin Jenner’s PR was about 10.7.

    Maybe the next thing will be rewriting the women’s track & field record book in events where Caitlin’s performance would be a women’s world record. Shot put, discus, javelin, high jump, maybe the 400…

  61. @sabril
    "It is not a 'special accommodation' it is separate because men and women are physically different. It is just as significant to be the best woman at a sport as the best man,"

    On the assumption that this is just parody of SJW nonsense, I'm not going to respond.

    But actually, you did respond. And your comment doesn’t make sense. But I won’t complain;)

    • Replies: @sabril
    "But actually, you did respond."

    Not as to the particulars of your comment. But since you seem serious, let me ask you this:

    1. Do you agree that if mens' track and field were opened to women, it would not affect the results at all?

    2. Do you agree that if womens' track and field were open to men, it would be completely male dominated?

    Assuming your answer to both questions is "yes," do you agree that the practical effect of having separate male and female events in track and field is to give women a chance to compete and succeed?
  62. @Wilkey
    That's a very cisnormative, heterogendered, transcishomoheteronormaphobic way of thinking about things.

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women's athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for "men" and "women" should no longer exist.

    Male-to-female transgenders have now been allowed to compete in women’s athletic events. The implications of accepting the arguments of transsexuals and their fellow travelers are that separate athletic competitions for “men” and “women” should no longer exist.

    It started almost 40 years with Richard Raskind successfully suing to play as a woman in the US Open.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

  63. @Casey
    But actually, you did respond. And your comment doesn't make sense. But I won't complain;)

    “But actually, you did respond.”

    Not as to the particulars of your comment. But since you seem serious, let me ask you this:

    1. Do you agree that if mens’ track and field were opened to women, it would not affect the results at all?

    2. Do you agree that if womens’ track and field were open to men, it would be completely male dominated?

    Assuming your answer to both questions is “yes,” do you agree that the practical effect of having separate male and female events in track and field is to give women a chance to compete and succeed?

    • Replies: @Casey
    Yes, and I think that is a good enough reason to have separate teams. Are you saying sports should be reserved for males?
  64. @Foseti
    we have always been at war with Eastasia

    What happened to your blogging? I enjoyed reading you.

  65. @sabril
    "But actually, you did respond."

    Not as to the particulars of your comment. But since you seem serious, let me ask you this:

    1. Do you agree that if mens' track and field were opened to women, it would not affect the results at all?

    2. Do you agree that if womens' track and field were open to men, it would be completely male dominated?

    Assuming your answer to both questions is "yes," do you agree that the practical effect of having separate male and female events in track and field is to give women a chance to compete and succeed?

    Yes, and I think that is a good enough reason to have separate teams. Are you saying sports should be reserved for males?

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