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Hispanics Pass Blacks As Chicago’s 2nd Largest Racial, Ethnic Group: Census

By Tanveer Ali | September 14, 2017 2:21pm | Updated on September 15, 2017 11:38am
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CHICAGO — Hispanics are officially the second-largest ethnic or racial group in Chicago, based on Census data released Thursday.

Hispanics formed 29.7 percent of Chicago’s population in 2016, based on Census estimates. The population climbed 17,751 over the previous year to 803,476.

Meanwhile the black population dropped by more than 40,000 in one year. There are now 793,852 black Chicagoans, about 29.3 percent of the population.

Since 2000, Chicago’s black population has dropped by more than 250,000 people.

As I’ve often mentioned, there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations. You can’t understand the roots of the Obama Administration, or so many of its key figures, such as consigliere Valerie Jarrett, finance chief and cabinet secretary Penny Pritzker, first chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, second chief of staff William Daley, and so forth, without comprehending this long push to cut Chicago’s black population.

Similarly, the Obama Administration tried to cripple the ability of less desirable locations, such as Ferguson and Dubuque, to resist getting Chicago’s unwanted ex-residents dumped on them.

 
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  1. jjbees says:

    Spent 5 seconds looking at this graph, with the conclusion that if I had any money at all I would start buying up crackhouses in Chicago right now, so I could be rich in 10 years.

    If I wanted to be double sure, I would see what the asian population has been doing. I imagine it has been skyrocketing (good sign!).

    If good-whites want to destroy the USA, might as well profit off its demise.

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    • Replies: @Maya
    Why "destroy"? Some of us enjoy city living. Suburbs suck. But as a teenager in the 90s and 2000s, taking up residence in the city was out of the question for a small girl who cared about her safety.

    So... The obvious solution has always been to ship the crime out to the sucky suburbs. What do they need the city for? Do they enjoy renovating historic neighborhoods? Do they fancy jogging through the old Polish part of town after work? Perhaps with their dog? Does it make them happy to buy their meds from a Walgreens situated in a turn of the century bank with the pharmacy in what used to be the vault? Do they go to indy rock shows at the underground bar? Do they like to push prams down leafy streets with record shops and coffee houses?

    Criminals like malls and carpet. So... good for them. They can have my old suburb. I mean, they didnt need my permission, aparently, and moved in while I was in college, abroad and teaching for America. I wouldn't want my kids to go to my old high school now anyway. I heard some of my favorite teachers retired early...
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  2. “there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations.”

    What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?

    And of course that’s all well and great for Chicago, but what about Detroit? If only they had such far sighted well meaning developers who had the city’s best interests at heart.

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    "What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?"

    Money and prizes. Real estate interests need black faces to be the black faces of what's going on. Obama's buddy Marty Nesbitt, the airport parking lot king, is another example of somebody who has gone a long way playing ball:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Nesbitt_(businessman)

    , @whorefinder
    Blacks don't really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks. Black snitches aren't that highly rewarded by the authorities, and aren't even that harshly punished by other blacks, since other blacks would've been willing to snitch themselves. The moment black men get some upward mobility they immediately head out; if they can't find one of the dwindling black upper-middle class communities to their liking, the black men will grab the first non-black woman who takes them in and say sayonara to black women for good.

    Jarrett, et al. will raise hue and cry over a black neighborhood being "gentrified", but only if she thinks she can shake the developers down for more money. Her lone real threat is a black "demonstration" that she hopes will get out of hand enough to scare developers into paying her danegeld. This is partly why corporations seek to get the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson seal of approval via payoffs to them---not because Al/Jesse are helping blacks, but because Al/Jesse can start a riot in the parking lot.

    As for Obama, he never was a black guy in his mind; he only started playing up his blackness as an adult to win Chicago (and later Presidential) politics. It's a learned trait for him to go to racial animus; he was always happy to be the exotic-token black friend to whites and yellows who acted exactly as they did. He's a lazy island boy who skated by on his ability to read teleprompters decently and didn't care all that much about anything else besides the boy in the mirror---that boy that neither of his parents cared very much for in their lives.
    , @The Alarmist

    "What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?"
     
    Oh, that's easy. Along the same line of GoodWhites, you have the RightBlacks: The ones who don't have to be moved because they're white enough to not threaten the GoodWhites and visible enough as black leaders interloping in whitey's world to avoid the charge of being Oreos. They get super-wealthy without having to be good at sports or singing.
    , @Autochthon
    Obama, Holder, Jarret, et al. are no different in their indifference (and, sometimes, hostility) to the Negro hoi polloi than are Clinton, Cook, Gates, Pelosi et al. to the white hoi polloi.

    Steve has said it before: an awful lot of this Byzantine scheming is indeed class-warfare masquerading as racial warfare....
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  3. What’s the deal with the white population in 2009?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Don't know. Presumably the 2010 figure is from the decennial Census.
    , @Anon D.C.
    It is probably a census estimate. Sometimes the estimates are wildly wrong. The 2010 figure is probably close to accurate and the census bureau just made a mistake with the 2009 projections.
    , @AndrewR
    It was a flash mob but with real estate
    , @mj
    The spike occurs around the time Obama got elected. Being Obama's hometown it was probably the hippest place to be for cool white people.
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  4. Thomm says:

    If that is their goal, then why don’t they want more skilled Asians? That does even more for Real Estate profits.

    Plus, Hispanics aren’t that great for Real Estate, so why did they import them at all?

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  5. What happened in 2009? Did the city host a camp of refugees from Vermont or something?

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    • Replies: @athEIst
    Yeah, a 110,000 whites move into Chicago, apparently don't like what they see and are all gone by 2010. I wonder about a graph like that.
    , @Nico
    What happened was a lot of premium yuppy employers in large Blue State urban conglomerates went under, and many of the yuppies were unhappily exiled to their folks' places in Middle America: Chicagoland, Milwaukee, Minneapolis-St. Paul or even (gasp!) Red States. For them it must have been like being banished to hell after anonymous involvement in some heinous cosmic sin on their bosses' part.
    , @Eric Novak
    Not Vermont, but young professionals, unemployed college graduates, and service workers from Michigan moving en mass to Chicago, like zombies, after the recession carpet bombed Michigan in 2008. The number of Michiganders in Chicago may even exceed that of Mexicans. Ohioans flooded the metro area as well, but that state's economy was much better placed than auto-dependent Michigan. At the time, I would have a conversation with someone next to me at a bar and always ask, "Kalamazoo? Saginaw? Lansing?"
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  6. Ivy says:

    The Real Estate Reverends of Chicago see their congregations shrink while their personal accounts grow. That is an urban leverage model to apply across the industrial northeast. Of course, some of that population runoff is through homicide and not through moving to Dubuque or some other hapless burg. Our SoCal automobile culture just displaces people down the freeway to San Bernardino. Each region has its specialties, often with a blue hue.

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  7. @Federalist
    What's the deal with the white population in 2009?

    Don’t know. Presumably the 2010 figure is from the decennial Census.

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  8. “this long push to cut Chicago’s black population”

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they’d have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can’t foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve’s observation contra one of Levitt’s main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt’s original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

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    Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child.
     
    So, instead of "a chicken in every pot," your slogan could be "a Gosnell in every ghetto"!
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    In a lot of countries they just build public housing out of the way and isolated from all the people that don't want to deal with their noxious inhabitants. This would be especially easy in the US since we have so much space. If you combined that with a negative eugenics program like you're describing and some kind of steep tax on the (inevitable and substantial) gains on the value of land and we'd be a good deal closer to getting the country on the right rack.

    But none of those things are going to happen.

    , @Alden
    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    But most conservative men object to the simple solution for crime, welfare, destruction of schools, abortion of criminals and welfare slugs before they are born.
    , @AndrewR
    But muh sacred embryos! Protect the unborn!
    , @Nico
    A very simple and humane and even Catholic-compatible eugenic policy is to make adults the only benefits of welfare payments and to enforce subsidies on a per capita basis only: thus, for the extreme poor, the chronically un/under-employed and the doped-up, having another child makes the benefit degressive. The same can apply to Section 8 housing, i.e., no matter how many children - legitimate or bastard - you pop out, you get the same space. (Slightly larger space should be allocated to married couples, to maximize the chances that what spawn do appear will be legitimate, which is obviously better than the alternative.)
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  9. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations."

    What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What's in it for them individually?

    And of course that's all well and great for Chicago, but what about Detroit? If only they had such far sighted well meaning developers who had the city's best interests at heart.

    “What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?”

    Money and prizes. Real estate interests need black faces to be the black faces of what’s going on. Obama’s buddy Marty Nesbitt, the airport parking lot king, is another example of somebody who has gone a long way playing ball:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Nesbitt_(businessman)

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    Perhaps Rev. Jeremiah Wright will be on the receiving end of the largesse as well.
    , @Mike Zwick
    The family of a Mexican friend of mine bought a house in the early 80's on Chicago's North Side for something like $50000. Around 2000, the house was sold for around $500000. The neighborhood gentrified in a dramatic way. A lot of minorities own their homes and are glad to get this kind of cash for them, even if it means they are helping to price out their neighbors who rent.
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  10. CCZ says:

    At least everybody will know all about the next planned protest.

    The rise of activism has made it difficult for action-minded people to find out where and when people are gathering to raise their voices. The volume of protest events is large and increasing.

    ProtestChicago.com is an online guide to Chicago-area protest events, striving to consolidate all area protests into one easy-to-use website.

    Events are displayed in chronological order, and include all the relevant details – including links to organizers’ own promotional media – with no analysis, opinion, or comment.

    Content is limited to progressive public rallies and protests.

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  11. Hibernian says:

    Hispanics have not displaced Blacks in Chicago as far as I can see. Middle class blacks havbe displaced poor blacks and, to a small extent, Whites have displaced middle class Blacks, on the Near South Side. In some places to a certain extent, Blacks have displaced Hispanics, not the other way around. Chicago is not Los Angeles. Also, Hispanics have displaced Whites. Additionally, Yuppies, predominantly white, have converted industrial property in certain areas and displaced Hispanics in others. (Between Hispanics and Whites, displacement is a two way street.)

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  12. @Steve Sailer
    "What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?"

    Money and prizes. Real estate interests need black faces to be the black faces of what's going on. Obama's buddy Marty Nesbitt, the airport parking lot king, is another example of somebody who has gone a long way playing ball:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Nesbitt_(businessman)

    Perhaps Rev. Jeremiah Wright will be on the receiving end of the largesse as well.

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  13. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "this long push to cut Chicago’s black population"

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they'd have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can't foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve's observation contra one of Levitt's main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt's original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

    Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child.

    So, instead of “a chicken in every pot,” your slogan could be “a Gosnell in every ghetto”!

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    I thought we were talking about incentivizing adults to voluntarily sterilize themselves, not killing human beings who already exist by induced abortion. Sick.
    , @Crawfurdmuir
    RadicalCenter - what Yojimbo/Zatoichi's comment seems clearly to refer to is abortion, not sterilization, e.g., "for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child." The locution "for each trip... a single person receives the same benefits...." implies that the person could take more than one trip. If sterilization were at issue, only one trip would be necessary.

    Furthermore, the comment refers to Freakonomics, a book which argues that the free availability of abortion has been and continues to be a factor in reducing crime rates.

    If this deserves to be called "sick," don't blame me. I just observed what the antecedent poster appeared to be suggesting. I do not commend it, but I will observe that paying poor women to have abortions is probably more acceptable in today's moral climate than it would be to pay them to be sterilized. Ô tempora, ô mores!

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  14. jayze says:

    “….cripple the ability of less desirable locations, such as Ferguson and Dubuque……………….{and Rockford, IL…}………, to resist getting Chicago’s unwanted ex-residents dumped on them.

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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Immigration means sanctuary for white/Jewish Libs from black crime as Mexers commit less crime and work as servant class.

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  16. Anon D.C. says:
    @Federalist
    What's the deal with the white population in 2009?

    It is probably a census estimate. Sometimes the estimates are wildly wrong. The 2010 figure is probably close to accurate and the census bureau just made a mistake with the 2009 projections.

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  17. JohnnyD says:

    This might have something to do with why Hillary lost in 2016. …

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  18. What’s the connection between Chicago and Ferguson or Dubuque, though? Just riotous places that are kind of near?

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  19. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "this long push to cut Chicago’s black population"

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they'd have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can't foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve's observation contra one of Levitt's main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt's original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

    In a lot of countries they just build public housing out of the way and isolated from all the people that don’t want to deal with their noxious inhabitants. This would be especially easy in the US since we have so much space. If you combined that with a negative eugenics program like you’re describing and some kind of steep tax on the (inevitable and substantial) gains on the value of land and we’d be a good deal closer to getting the country on the right rack.

    But none of those things are going to happen.

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  20. Steve, I suggest doing a post on Colin Flaherty’s great work on black-on-white violence. IMO he deserves a Pulitzer–https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DA427-AuKs

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  21. Trelane says:

    What happened to Dolly?

    No, not Dolly the sheep. I’m talking about that country and western singer known for her soulful music and big tits.

    Here’s Dolly from 1973 singing “Jolene”:

    And here she is last night at the Emmy awards:

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    James Woods is saying she got ambushed.
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  22. Alden says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "this long push to cut Chicago’s black population"

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they'd have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can't foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve's observation contra one of Levitt's main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt's original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    But most conservative men object to the simple solution for crime, welfare, destruction of schools, abortion of criminals and welfare slugs before they are born.

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    Steve has written a lot on this - abortion has not cut crime. It's actually been dysgenic. The worst elements still have children while abortion weeds out those with future time preference. Those who can't get it together to implement birth control are also those least likely to be getting abortions and they are the incubators of the next wave of gang bangers.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    In theory this idea made sense to Steven Levitt as part of one of his main points of his book Freakonomics. I wonder if he noticed that it was a specific group that tends to frequent clinics more than other groups that caused him to put his speculations into print. Columnist Starr Parker, for example, inadvertently made the point that urban based residents tend to visit the clinics at a much higher frequency than other groups (e.g. whites). She herself wrote in her book that she had four terminations before having her first child.

    I think that what made Steve's counter-argument so potent was the noticing that while Levitt's theory made sense in some facets, ultimately it wasn't strong enough to be the sole reason to account for reduction in crime since there were other factors (e.g. Crack epidemic) just as strong at the time.

    This new theory would however prove Levitt correct. If it was consistently applied throughout the country and directly tied to the tax code. As the vast majority of Democrats have long supported the clinics, and receive millions and millions of campaign contributions per yr, they're not about to do an about face and say "No, we really don't want to increase government spending by tying clinics directly to social in kind payments. That wouldn't be very nice." They've never met a government program they didn't want to expand, nor a clinic based program that they wouldn't want to increase. The clinics remain one of their biggest donors and supporters in the party, the platform, public policy, etc.

    I believe that if it were applied uniformly across the country, taxpayer supported, applied to public policy, over 1-2 generations the plan would work. Especially since it would take on a life of its own (e.g. advertising on urban radio for clinic appointments in order to get extra social benefits, doctors receiving extra payments from the government for meeting monthly quotas as well as annual bonuses for the clinics that meet annual goals, etc.).

    Also, after half a generation one could then open additional clinics in known immigrant neighborhoods and apply the same policy as well (e.g. advertising in Spanish for cash in kind payment benefits, etc).
    , @RadicalCenter
    Murder - or if we can't agree on that, at least killing - is not "the" solution. Voluntary sterilization is.

    And isn't sterilization superior to abortion as a practical matter? A woman who kills her baby through abortion can just go conceive another one, as they do all the time. A person who voluntarily gets a tubal ligation or vasectomy will find it costly and difficult to reverse the procedure and conceive again, especially if we taxpayers don't help pay for it.

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    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations."

    What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What's in it for them individually?

    And of course that's all well and great for Chicago, but what about Detroit? If only they had such far sighted well meaning developers who had the city's best interests at heart.

    Blacks don’t really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks. Black snitches aren’t that highly rewarded by the authorities, and aren’t even that harshly punished by other blacks, since other blacks would’ve been willing to snitch themselves. The moment black men get some upward mobility they immediately head out; if they can’t find one of the dwindling black upper-middle class communities to their liking, the black men will grab the first non-black woman who takes them in and say sayonara to black women for good.

    Jarrett, et al. will raise hue and cry over a black neighborhood being “gentrified”, but only if she thinks she can shake the developers down for more money. Her lone real threat is a black “demonstration” that she hopes will get out of hand enough to scare developers into paying her danegeld. This is partly why corporations seek to get the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson seal of approval via payoffs to them—not because Al/Jesse are helping blacks, but because Al/Jesse can start a riot in the parking lot.

    As for Obama, he never was a black guy in his mind; he only started playing up his blackness as an adult to win Chicago (and later Presidential) politics. It’s a learned trait for him to go to racial animus; he was always happy to be the exotic-token black friend to whites and yellows who acted exactly as they did. He’s a lazy island boy who skated by on his ability to read teleprompters decently and didn’t care all that much about anything else besides the boy in the mirror—that boy that neither of his parents cared very much for in their lives.

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    Blacks don’t really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks.
     
    Then why are they the most monolithic voting block (96-1 or something for Obama, and 90-10 normally)?
    , @Realist
    Whites as evidenced lately are quite quick to turn on their ethnicity.
    , @TheJester
    A very astute observation. What does a half-white/half-black mulatto boy do in America who spent his formative years in Indonesia within an Islamic society and emerged as an adult from an elite white high school in Hawaii? Let me try to fill in the blanks.

    Obama could not succeed as "white" within the white community; he would never be more than a powerful white person’s “best friend”. And no one with his taste of white privilege would want to fold himself into the black community as a black community leader (why bother). Obama needed a power base that included both whites and blacks ... white privilege - black power.

    So, very sensitive to Chicago politics, Barry Soetoro reinvents himself as Barack Obama, an American black with a black wife. He also reinvents his father as a black African “Big Man” worthy of adulation. In other words, Obama is an African chieftain’s son. Listen carefully, Chicago blacks. Barack is “one of us” … and a chief’s son to boot.

    Obama’s Plan: Sell himself to the white community as a black community organizer who, for adequate compensation, can act as a go-between for the white and black communities. His charter will be to sell the black community on the Jewish Chicago Plan to redevelop inner-city Chicago that calls for removing the black underclass. The inner city would then be redeveloped as high-rise apartments and office buildings. He joins forces to Valerie Jarrett and other Chicago mulattos who are in on the scheme.

    Then, with Jewish money and backing, Obama takes his road show national. He explodes into national politics from nowhere. However, the charter didn’t change … albeit this time he is working with a national consortium of real estate developers to perform the same magic on other black inner cities via Section 8. Ferguson, Missouri, here we come!

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  24. Friends in Iowa City tell me that crime is ‘way up there. Section 8 transplants, baby. They also tell me that, liberal college town that it is, you aren’t allowed to noticed who’s committing the crimes.

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    Des Moines is also changing fast; it's just recorded homicide #24 for 2017, and there's still three and a half months to go in the year.

    As recently as 2010, Des Moines had only 5 homicides.
    , @Hibernian
    Iowa City was crazy back in the late '60s and early '70s. That's the main reason I chose Iowa State, in Ames, 40 mi. N of Des Moines, over U of Iowa in Iowa City.
    , @Marty T
    I wonder if Iowa allows discrimination against Section 8 tenants in renting. If not, they might want to change that.
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    Frank, Dean, Sammy and Johnny:

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    , @Truth
    Excellent point. Most intelligent of the thread so far.
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  27. Broski says:

    Aside from real estate, are there any other investments where knowledge of HBD can give one an edge? I’ve given the issue some thought and that’s the only one that’s come to mind. It would be awful nice if participating in the Steveosphere helped us make some money.

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    Aside from real estate, are there any other investments where knowledge of HBD can give one an edge?
     
    Try shorting companies that promote SJW narratives at the expense of HBD "hatefacts." Twitter, for example, regularly indulges in censorship of race realists and suchlike, and has lost half its value in the past three years. Will it ever turn a profit?
    , @Ed
    At a dinner recently, a guest mentioned a friend that shorted the sovereign debt of African countries that had low yields of 4% or so. Forget the country named (Zambia?) but they made a decent bundle.
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  28. Broski says:
    @whorefinder
    Blacks don't really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks. Black snitches aren't that highly rewarded by the authorities, and aren't even that harshly punished by other blacks, since other blacks would've been willing to snitch themselves. The moment black men get some upward mobility they immediately head out; if they can't find one of the dwindling black upper-middle class communities to their liking, the black men will grab the first non-black woman who takes them in and say sayonara to black women for good.

    Jarrett, et al. will raise hue and cry over a black neighborhood being "gentrified", but only if she thinks she can shake the developers down for more money. Her lone real threat is a black "demonstration" that she hopes will get out of hand enough to scare developers into paying her danegeld. This is partly why corporations seek to get the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson seal of approval via payoffs to them---not because Al/Jesse are helping blacks, but because Al/Jesse can start a riot in the parking lot.

    As for Obama, he never was a black guy in his mind; he only started playing up his blackness as an adult to win Chicago (and later Presidential) politics. It's a learned trait for him to go to racial animus; he was always happy to be the exotic-token black friend to whites and yellows who acted exactly as they did. He's a lazy island boy who skated by on his ability to read teleprompters decently and didn't care all that much about anything else besides the boy in the mirror---that boy that neither of his parents cared very much for in their lives.

    Blacks don’t really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks.

    Then why are they the most monolithic voting block (96-1 or something for Obama, and 90-10 normally)?

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    Because 'give me stuff' is a compelling platform for them.
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  29. Precious says:

    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    Is that really true? I am aware of statistics showing that the black population would be 25% higher if all the aborted black babies were born instead. But that blithely assumes that black women would have had the rest of the children they had along with adding their abortions as extra children. What if a woman regrets her abortion and decides to make up for it later in life by having more children? I am aware of cases where young women resented family pressuring them into having an abortion, and got “revenge” by getting pregnant again and having a child soon after.

    Unless an abortion ends up sterilizing a woman, I don’t see it necessarily affecting how many children she will ultimately have, and perhaps even counter-intuitively pushing her to increase that number.

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  30. @Paleo Retiree
    Friends in Iowa City tell me that crime is 'way up there. Section 8 transplants, baby. They also tell me that, liberal college town that it is, you aren't allowed to noticed who's committing the crimes.

    Des Moines is also changing fast; it’s just recorded homicide #24 for 2017, and there’s still three and a half months to go in the year.

    As recently as 2010, Des Moines had only 5 homicides.

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    I am sorry to see that. I grew up in Des Moines it was a strong majority white.. The murder rate was fairly low in the 50's and 60's
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  31. athEIst says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    What happened in 2009? Did the city host a camp of refugees from Vermont or something?

    Yeah, a 110,000 whites move into Chicago, apparently don’t like what they see and are all gone by 2010. I wonder about a graph like that.

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    That weird spike in the white numbers occurs during the stock market crash of 2008-2009 and mortgage crisis. There's an untold story lurking in the that spike. The really strange thing is that the Hispanic line is completely unaffected by mortgage crisis, and though the numbers for blacks dropped during that time period, there's nothing to indicate that the decline was anything more than business as usual. The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities. That graph is extremely odd. I wonder how accurate the numbers are. It's possible that when Obama came into office in 2008, his appointees in the Census Bureau changed the ethnic composition of the statistics somehow. Maybe something is being covered up.
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    Volare

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  33. anon says: • Disclaimer

    http://abc7chicago.com/politics/city-evicts-homeless-from-tents-underneath-uptown-viaducts/2428420/

    You will be happy to see that progress is slow in Uptown …. but “inch by inch” … it will be gentrified. Although I suspect it will always have an edge. Legacy of Helen Shiller. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Shiller

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    Yes, Uptown and Edgewater are gentrifying but some of the lowlifes are moving into Rogers Park which causes a problem for Loyola University.
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  34. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @Broski
    Aside from real estate, are there any other investments where knowledge of HBD can give one an edge? I've given the issue some thought and that's the only one that's come to mind. It would be awful nice if participating in the Steveosphere helped us make some money.

    Aside from real estate, are there any other investments where knowledge of HBD can give one an edge?

    Try shorting companies that promote SJW narratives at the expense of HBD “hatefacts.” Twitter, for example, regularly indulges in censorship of race realists and suchlike, and has lost half its value in the past three years. Will it ever turn a profit?

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  35. Realist says:
    @whorefinder
    Blacks don't really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks. Black snitches aren't that highly rewarded by the authorities, and aren't even that harshly punished by other blacks, since other blacks would've been willing to snitch themselves. The moment black men get some upward mobility they immediately head out; if they can't find one of the dwindling black upper-middle class communities to their liking, the black men will grab the first non-black woman who takes them in and say sayonara to black women for good.

    Jarrett, et al. will raise hue and cry over a black neighborhood being "gentrified", but only if she thinks she can shake the developers down for more money. Her lone real threat is a black "demonstration" that she hopes will get out of hand enough to scare developers into paying her danegeld. This is partly why corporations seek to get the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson seal of approval via payoffs to them---not because Al/Jesse are helping blacks, but because Al/Jesse can start a riot in the parking lot.

    As for Obama, he never was a black guy in his mind; he only started playing up his blackness as an adult to win Chicago (and later Presidential) politics. It's a learned trait for him to go to racial animus; he was always happy to be the exotic-token black friend to whites and yellows who acted exactly as they did. He's a lazy island boy who skated by on his ability to read teleprompters decently and didn't care all that much about anything else besides the boy in the mirror---that boy that neither of his parents cared very much for in their lives.

    Whites as evidenced lately are quite quick to turn on their ethnicity.

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  36. Realist says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Des Moines is also changing fast; it's just recorded homicide #24 for 2017, and there's still three and a half months to go in the year.

    As recently as 2010, Des Moines had only 5 homicides.

    I am sorry to see that. I grew up in Des Moines it was a strong majority white.. The murder rate was fairly low in the 50′s and 60′s

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  37. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @athEIst
    Yeah, a 110,000 whites move into Chicago, apparently don't like what they see and are all gone by 2010. I wonder about a graph like that.

    That weird spike in the white numbers occurs during the stock market crash of 2008-2009 and mortgage crisis. There’s an untold story lurking in the that spike. The really strange thing is that the Hispanic line is completely unaffected by mortgage crisis, and though the numbers for blacks dropped during that time period, there’s nothing to indicate that the decline was anything more than business as usual. The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities. That graph is extremely odd. I wonder how accurate the numbers are. It’s possible that when Obama came into office in 2008, his appointees in the Census Bureau changed the ethnic composition of the statistics somehow. Maybe something is being covered up.

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    "Chicagoland" was long considered a cultural microcosm of Middle America. I suspect a lot of the spike in the white population can be explained by New York-, San Fran- and Boston-based white-collar single yuppies temporarily moving back home to wait out the bad job market.
    , @Nico

    The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities.
     
    The mestizo/Mesoamerican gardener and the P.J.-bred barber were never going to be able to afford houses anyway. The only effect the subprime "crisis" had on them was the opportunity to live rent-free for about seven months while the bank processed the foreclosure. Ultimately whites and maybe Asians ended up footing the bill for the worst of the fallout (after all, you can't squeeze a lemon that's got no juice).
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  38. TheJester says:
    @whorefinder
    Blacks don't really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks. Black snitches aren't that highly rewarded by the authorities, and aren't even that harshly punished by other blacks, since other blacks would've been willing to snitch themselves. The moment black men get some upward mobility they immediately head out; if they can't find one of the dwindling black upper-middle class communities to their liking, the black men will grab the first non-black woman who takes them in and say sayonara to black women for good.

    Jarrett, et al. will raise hue and cry over a black neighborhood being "gentrified", but only if she thinks she can shake the developers down for more money. Her lone real threat is a black "demonstration" that she hopes will get out of hand enough to scare developers into paying her danegeld. This is partly why corporations seek to get the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson seal of approval via payoffs to them---not because Al/Jesse are helping blacks, but because Al/Jesse can start a riot in the parking lot.

    As for Obama, he never was a black guy in his mind; he only started playing up his blackness as an adult to win Chicago (and later Presidential) politics. It's a learned trait for him to go to racial animus; he was always happy to be the exotic-token black friend to whites and yellows who acted exactly as they did. He's a lazy island boy who skated by on his ability to read teleprompters decently and didn't care all that much about anything else besides the boy in the mirror---that boy that neither of his parents cared very much for in their lives.

    A very astute observation. What does a half-white/half-black mulatto boy do in America who spent his formative years in Indonesia within an Islamic society and emerged as an adult from an elite white high school in Hawaii? Let me try to fill in the blanks.

    Obama could not succeed as “white” within the white community; he would never be more than a powerful white person’s “best friend”. And no one with his taste of white privilege would want to fold himself into the black community as a black community leader (why bother). Obama needed a power base that included both whites and blacks … white privilege – black power.

    So, very sensitive to Chicago politics, Barry Soetoro reinvents himself as Barack Obama, an American black with a black wife. He also reinvents his father as a black African “Big Man” worthy of adulation. In other words, Obama is an African chieftain’s son. Listen carefully, Chicago blacks. Barack is “one of us” … and a chief’s son to boot.

    Obama’s Plan: Sell himself to the white community as a black community organizer who, for adequate compensation, can act as a go-between for the white and black communities. His charter will be to sell the black community on the Jewish Chicago Plan to redevelop inner-city Chicago that calls for removing the black underclass. The inner city would then be redeveloped as high-rise apartments and office buildings. He joins forces to Valerie Jarrett and other Chicago mulattos who are in on the scheme.

    Then, with Jewish money and backing, Obama takes his road show national. He explodes into national politics from nowhere. However, the charter didn’t change … albeit this time he is working with a national consortium of real estate developers to perform the same magic on other black inner cities via Section 8. Ferguson, Missouri, here we come!

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  39. Nico says:
    @Anon
    That weird spike in the white numbers occurs during the stock market crash of 2008-2009 and mortgage crisis. There's an untold story lurking in the that spike. The really strange thing is that the Hispanic line is completely unaffected by mortgage crisis, and though the numbers for blacks dropped during that time period, there's nothing to indicate that the decline was anything more than business as usual. The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities. That graph is extremely odd. I wonder how accurate the numbers are. It's possible that when Obama came into office in 2008, his appointees in the Census Bureau changed the ethnic composition of the statistics somehow. Maybe something is being covered up.

    “Chicagoland” was long considered a cultural microcosm of Middle America. I suspect a lot of the spike in the white population can be explained by New York-, San Fran- and Boston-based white-collar single yuppies temporarily moving back home to wait out the bad job market.

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    Chicagoland” was long considered a cultural microcosm of Middle America. I suspect a lot of the spike in the white population can be explained by New York-, San Fran- and Boston-based white-collar single yuppies temporarily moving back home to wait out the bad job market.
     
    No, the usual migration for college grads, especially womyn, is go to Chi for 2-4 years. That keeps them within a day's drive of home and the parents and high school friends. Last thing they want is to be out there alone.

    Then, when they get their courage up, move to the left coast.

    Chi is about the only truly urban place in most of the midwest; at least a relatively safe urban place. Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, etc. don't have anything for these chiks.

    I had 4 womyn I knew do exactly this...
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  40. Nico says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    What happened in 2009? Did the city host a camp of refugees from Vermont or something?

    What happened was a lot of premium yuppy employers in large Blue State urban conglomerates went under, and many of the yuppies were unhappily exiled to their folks’ places in Middle America: Chicagoland, Milwaukee, Minneapolis-St. Paul or even (gasp!) Red States. For them it must have been like being banished to hell after anonymous involvement in some heinous cosmic sin on their bosses’ part.

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    Throughout the 2000's you had a long series of Banking/Trading/Corporate consolidations. That killed tens of thousand of middle class white collar jobs. Outsourcing and Insourcing(the H1-B, L1 visas) wiped out thousands more middle class jobs.

    Lots of thirty-something whites who were either underwater on their condos or simply wanted to cash out what inflated equity they had moved to other locations in the mid-west.

    In addition to Hispanics, the Asian and South Asian population of Chicago & Illinois is booming. Rahm Emmanuel & Gov. Rauner have declared Chicago/Illinois sanctuary havens.

    However it appears that like California, Illinois's white population is in decline
    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/23-of-illinois-29-largest-cities-are-shrinking-chicago-sees-2nd-biggest-population-decline-in-u-s/
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  41. Nico says:
    @Anon
    That weird spike in the white numbers occurs during the stock market crash of 2008-2009 and mortgage crisis. There's an untold story lurking in the that spike. The really strange thing is that the Hispanic line is completely unaffected by mortgage crisis, and though the numbers for blacks dropped during that time period, there's nothing to indicate that the decline was anything more than business as usual. The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities. That graph is extremely odd. I wonder how accurate the numbers are. It's possible that when Obama came into office in 2008, his appointees in the Census Bureau changed the ethnic composition of the statistics somehow. Maybe something is being covered up.

    The graph seems to indicate that the only group that was affected by the mortgage crisis was white, despite the fact that we have been told many sub-prime borrowers were black and other minorities.

    The mestizo/Mesoamerican gardener and the P.J.-bred barber were never going to be able to afford houses anyway. The only effect the subprime “crisis” had on them was the opportunity to live rent-free for about seven months while the bank processed the foreclosure. Ultimately whites and maybe Asians ended up footing the bill for the worst of the fallout (after all, you can’t squeeze a lemon that’s got no juice).

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  42. Arclight says:

    The secondary part of this effort is to push minorities into neighboring communities that are mostly white and conservative so that over time the political districts in the suburbs might become winnable for the Democrats.

    Although the affirmatively furthering fair housing is often mocked for the ‘magic dirt’ angle – one earnestly believed by the scribes of The Atlantic and some activists – the architects of this policy are really motivated by trying to put more state-level and possibly congressional districts in play for the left.

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    The suburbs are already winnable for Dems.
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  43. AndrewR says:
    @Federalist
    What's the deal with the white population in 2009?

    It was a flash mob but with real estate

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  44. AndrewR says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "this long push to cut Chicago’s black population"

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they'd have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can't foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve's observation contra one of Levitt's main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt's original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

    But muh sacred embryos! Protect the unborn!

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  45. George says:

    Actually, both blacks and whites are being displaced. It is just that the whites are being replaced by other whites, Asians. Part of the plan is increasing property taxes to pay for retired government workers.

    Somebody in the Republican party seems to have noticed that Obamacare was a kind of subsidy for moderately wealthy older whites that were never government workers. Kind of person that voted for Trump.

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  46. Hibernian says:
    @Paleo Retiree
    Friends in Iowa City tell me that crime is 'way up there. Section 8 transplants, baby. They also tell me that, liberal college town that it is, you aren't allowed to noticed who's committing the crimes.

    Iowa City was crazy back in the late ’60s and early ’70s. That’s the main reason I chose Iowa State, in Ames, 40 mi. N of Des Moines, over U of Iowa in Iowa City.

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  47. @Steve Sailer
    "What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?"

    Money and prizes. Real estate interests need black faces to be the black faces of what's going on. Obama's buddy Marty Nesbitt, the airport parking lot king, is another example of somebody who has gone a long way playing ball:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Nesbitt_(businessman)

    The family of a Mexican friend of mine bought a house in the early 80′s on Chicago’s North Side for something like $50000. Around 2000, the house was sold for around $500000. The neighborhood gentrified in a dramatic way. A lot of minorities own their homes and are glad to get this kind of cash for them, even if it means they are helping to price out their neighbors who rent.

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  48. Nico says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "this long push to cut Chicago’s black population"

    There is a more effective way to achieve this, albeit it would progress at a much slower pace (about 1-2 generations). Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child. Also, doctors working at the clinics would receive tax incentives as well for each procedure above a certain number per month. So they'd have financial incentives to reach their monthly quotas. Honestly can't foresee any objection from the Democrats as the tax supported group that heavily sponsors the procedures at the clinics is one of their major financial contributors.

    I understand that Steve's observation contra one of Levitt's main points in his book Freakonomics was proven correct. In the long run, however, if this kind of policy is implemented, then I would think that Levitt's original observation regarding the reasons for reduced rate of crime would ultimately prove to be correct.

    A very simple and humane and even Catholic-compatible eugenic policy is to make adults the only benefits of welfare payments and to enforce subsidies on a per capita basis only: thus, for the extreme poor, the chronically un/under-employed and the doped-up, having another child makes the benefit degressive. The same can apply to Section 8 housing, i.e., no matter how many children – legitimate or bastard – you pop out, you get the same space. (Slightly larger space should be allocated to married couples, to maximize the chances that what spawn do appear will be legitimate, which is obviously better than the alternative.)

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    Could sweeten the deal a bit by paying the kids to go to school, but only on days when they attend and are not kicked out for behavior issues. Also, pay a bonus for the kids that actually learn stuff, as measured by standardized tests NOT administrated by the schools.

    Might provide a near term incentive for parent(s) to encourage effort to attend, and perhaps study up to ability.

    But I do have concerns about how honestly the system would be run.
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  49. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The blacks don’t disappear, they’re merely moved to presumably become someone else’s problem. Those on the receiving end are whites with less money and influence. Nothing beats racial solidarity like money as exemplified by the Obama team who readily sell out their own people much like white big fish eat the little white fish. Chicago gets turned into a money machine for the connected. It supposedly gets about thirteen billion per year from tourism, the sales tax is one of the highest at over ten percent, real estate taxes keep going up even as more and more condos and homes are being built which generate more revenue, and so on. Currently blacks still outnumber whites by a small margin. Throw in the Hispanics and one can see that Chicago is majority non-white. Most of the money is squeezed out of the white population with the others being subsidized from that. The schools are unusable for most whites even though they pay for it. It’s getting more and more expensive for a white person to live here so they have to run faster on the job treadmill to keep up. Young whites move in because of jobs and the entertainment scene of restaurants and clubs. If they marry and plan on having children they’ll think about moving out to a burb for the stability and schools. Chicago used to have a lot of white ethnic groups; now the whites seem to be just generic yuppie types who seem to be indoctrinated with PC-think, a rootless alien form of white person.

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    Chicago used to have a lot of white ethnic groups; now the whites seem to be just generic yuppie types who seem to be indoctrinated with PC-think, a rootless alien form of white person.
     
    If you have never listened to E Michael Jones, the editor of Culture Wars magazine, on the lasting effects of MLK coming to Chicago, who was behind it and its ultimate effect on Catholic Neighborhoods throughout Northern Cities check out his lectures on his book The Slaughter of Cities, The Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing.???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=PK4YQYn1y9Q
    , @Flip
    There's definitely more white yuppie families staying in the city than there used be. Many neighborhoods are whiter than they were 20 and 30 years ago.
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  50. @Broski

    Blacks don’t really care about other blacks. While all groups share ethnic loyalty, the black community is the easiest to get to start turning on one another, as they have little group cohesion beyond rioting/mob attacks.
     
    Then why are they the most monolithic voting block (96-1 or something for Obama, and 90-10 normally)?

    Because ‘give me stuff’ is a compelling platform for them.

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  51. Lurker says:
    @Alden
    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    But most conservative men object to the simple solution for crime, welfare, destruction of schools, abortion of criminals and welfare slugs before they are born.

    Steve has written a lot on this – abortion has not cut crime. It’s actually been dysgenic. The worst elements still have children while abortion weeds out those with future time preference. Those who can’t get it together to implement birth control are also those least likely to be getting abortions and they are the incubators of the next wave of gang bangers.

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    That's not accurate. Many of the urbans popping out numerous kids are also the ones having numerous terminations.

    Steve's original point was correct, but if a specific policy was tied to reduction in total numbers within a specific group, then over time his point would prove to be incorrect.
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  52. Neuday says:
    @D. K.
    http://www.gif-explode.com/?explode=http://i.imgur.com/xZoKnTa.gif

    For those of us whose comments are often lost in moderation, let us take a lesson from D.K. on how to get posted.

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  53. Iowa City in the 90′s seemed as safe as can be . Worked a late job and walked home with no problems seen . Even Friday and Sat night were drama free – and this is after all the bars closed up . I remember comparing it to my hometown and thinking there’s no dangerous areas here .

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  54. @anonymous
    The blacks don't disappear, they're merely moved to presumably become someone else's problem. Those on the receiving end are whites with less money and influence. Nothing beats racial solidarity like money as exemplified by the Obama team who readily sell out their own people much like white big fish eat the little white fish. Chicago gets turned into a money machine for the connected. It supposedly gets about thirteen billion per year from tourism, the sales tax is one of the highest at over ten percent, real estate taxes keep going up even as more and more condos and homes are being built which generate more revenue, and so on. Currently blacks still outnumber whites by a small margin. Throw in the Hispanics and one can see that Chicago is majority non-white. Most of the money is squeezed out of the white population with the others being subsidized from that. The schools are unusable for most whites even though they pay for it. It's getting more and more expensive for a white person to live here so they have to run faster on the job treadmill to keep up. Young whites move in because of jobs and the entertainment scene of restaurants and clubs. If they marry and plan on having children they'll think about moving out to a burb for the stability and schools. Chicago used to have a lot of white ethnic groups; now the whites seem to be just generic yuppie types who seem to be indoctrinated with PC-think, a rootless alien form of white person.

    Chicago used to have a lot of white ethnic groups; now the whites seem to be just generic yuppie types who seem to be indoctrinated with PC-think, a rootless alien form of white person.

    If you have never listened to E Michael Jones, the editor of Culture Wars magazine, on the lasting effects of MLK coming to Chicago, who was behind it and its ultimate effect on Catholic Neighborhoods throughout Northern Cities check out his lectures on his book The Slaughter of Cities, The Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing.???

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  55. Flip says:
    @anonymous
    The blacks don't disappear, they're merely moved to presumably become someone else's problem. Those on the receiving end are whites with less money and influence. Nothing beats racial solidarity like money as exemplified by the Obama team who readily sell out their own people much like white big fish eat the little white fish. Chicago gets turned into a money machine for the connected. It supposedly gets about thirteen billion per year from tourism, the sales tax is one of the highest at over ten percent, real estate taxes keep going up even as more and more condos and homes are being built which generate more revenue, and so on. Currently blacks still outnumber whites by a small margin. Throw in the Hispanics and one can see that Chicago is majority non-white. Most of the money is squeezed out of the white population with the others being subsidized from that. The schools are unusable for most whites even though they pay for it. It's getting more and more expensive for a white person to live here so they have to run faster on the job treadmill to keep up. Young whites move in because of jobs and the entertainment scene of restaurants and clubs. If they marry and plan on having children they'll think about moving out to a burb for the stability and schools. Chicago used to have a lot of white ethnic groups; now the whites seem to be just generic yuppie types who seem to be indoctrinated with PC-think, a rootless alien form of white person.

    There’s definitely more white yuppie families staying in the city than there used be. Many neighborhoods are whiter than they were 20 and 30 years ago.

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  56. Flip says:
    @anon
    http://abc7chicago.com/politics/city-evicts-homeless-from-tents-underneath-uptown-viaducts/2428420/

    You will be happy to see that progress is slow in Uptown .... but "inch by inch" ... it will be gentrified. Although I suspect it will always have an edge. Legacy of Helen Shiller. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Shiller

    Yes, Uptown and Edgewater are gentrifying but some of the lowlifes are moving into Rogers Park which causes a problem for Loyola University.

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  57. @Nico
    What happened was a lot of premium yuppy employers in large Blue State urban conglomerates went under, and many of the yuppies were unhappily exiled to their folks' places in Middle America: Chicagoland, Milwaukee, Minneapolis-St. Paul or even (gasp!) Red States. For them it must have been like being banished to hell after anonymous involvement in some heinous cosmic sin on their bosses' part.

    Throughout the 2000′s you had a long series of Banking/Trading/Corporate consolidations. That killed tens of thousand of middle class white collar jobs. Outsourcing and Insourcing(the H1-B, L1 visas) wiped out thousands more middle class jobs.

    Lots of thirty-something whites who were either underwater on their condos or simply wanted to cash out what inflated equity they had moved to other locations in the mid-west.

    In addition to Hispanics, the Asian and South Asian population of Chicago & Illinois is booming. Rahm Emmanuel & Gov. Rauner have declared Chicago/Illinois sanctuary havens.

    However it appears that like California, Illinois’s white population is in decline

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/23-of-illinois-29-largest-cities-are-shrinking-chicago-sees-2nd-biggest-population-decline-in-u-s/

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  58. @Lurker
    Steve has written a lot on this - abortion has not cut crime. It's actually been dysgenic. The worst elements still have children while abortion weeds out those with future time preference. Those who can't get it together to implement birth control are also those least likely to be getting abortions and they are the incubators of the next wave of gang bangers.

    That’s not accurate. Many of the urbans popping out numerous kids are also the ones having numerous terminations.

    Steve’s original point was correct, but if a specific policy was tied to reduction in total numbers within a specific group, then over time his point would prove to be incorrect.

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  59. mj says:
    @Federalist
    What's the deal with the white population in 2009?

    The spike occurs around the time Obama got elected. Being Obama’s hometown it was probably the hippest place to be for cool white people.

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  60. @Alden
    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    But most conservative men object to the simple solution for crime, welfare, destruction of schools, abortion of criminals and welfare slugs before they are born.

    In theory this idea made sense to Steven Levitt as part of one of his main points of his book Freakonomics. I wonder if he noticed that it was a specific group that tends to frequent clinics more than other groups that caused him to put his speculations into print. Columnist Starr Parker, for example, inadvertently made the point that urban based residents tend to visit the clinics at a much higher frequency than other groups (e.g. whites). She herself wrote in her book that she had four terminations before having her first child.

    I think that what made Steve’s counter-argument so potent was the noticing that while Levitt’s theory made sense in some facets, ultimately it wasn’t strong enough to be the sole reason to account for reduction in crime since there were other factors (e.g. Crack epidemic) just as strong at the time.

    This new theory would however prove Levitt correct. If it was consistently applied throughout the country and directly tied to the tax code. As the vast majority of Democrats have long supported the clinics, and receive millions and millions of campaign contributions per yr, they’re not about to do an about face and say “No, we really don’t want to increase government spending by tying clinics directly to social in kind payments. That wouldn’t be very nice.” They’ve never met a government program they didn’t want to expand, nor a clinic based program that they wouldn’t want to increase. The clinics remain one of their biggest donors and supporters in the party, the platform, public policy, etc.

    I believe that if it were applied uniformly across the country, taxpayer supported, applied to public policy, over 1-2 generations the plan would work. Especially since it would take on a life of its own (e.g. advertising on urban radio for clinic appointments in order to get extra social benefits, doctors receiving extra payments from the government for meeting monthly quotas as well as annual bonuses for the clinics that meet annual goals, etc.).

    Also, after half a generation one could then open additional clinics in known immigrant neighborhoods and apply the same policy as well (e.g. advertising in Spanish for cash in kind payment benefits, etc).

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  61. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations."

    What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What's in it for them individually?

    And of course that's all well and great for Chicago, but what about Detroit? If only they had such far sighted well meaning developers who had the city's best interests at heart.

    “What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What’s in it for them individually?”

    Oh, that’s easy. Along the same line of GoodWhites, you have the RightBlacks: The ones who don’t have to be moved because they’re white enough to not threaten the GoodWhites and visible enough as black leaders interloping in whitey’s world to avoid the charge of being Oreos. They get super-wealthy without having to be good at sports or singing.

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  62. MBlanc46 says:

    Some may be going to Iowa and Wisconsin, but many more are moving to southern and western suburbs, turning them into the hellholes that the South and West Sides are.

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  63. I spent the last half week in Chicago. I saw very few blacks out and about, though admittedly I was downtown and in Lakeview and Hyde Park. Chicago struck me and my friends as having all the big-city advantages and resources of NYC but being populated mostly by white Midwesterners. It also seemed much more affordable than the coasts.

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    You did not visit the south and west sides of Chicago. BTW the south suburbs are mostly black.
    Check out this site "http://www.city-data.com/" and visit google maps south of Chicago.The blacks have been dispersed to many suburbs.Check out the suburban high school basketball and football teams. There are 1.3 million blacks in Cook county.

    I got stuck in some of those areas and the police asked what I was doing there.They gave me a ride back up north.
    , @Almost Missouri
    A lot depends on what time of day you are out. Even in majority black neighborhoods, in the morning it can appear to be majority white. As the sun warms up and afternoon rolls around, more and more blacks start to appear while the whites finish up their business and go home. By the time the streetlights come on, you can be in a completely different demographic even though you have been standing still...
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  64. MBlanc46 says:
    @Arclight
    The secondary part of this effort is to push minorities into neighboring communities that are mostly white and conservative so that over time the political districts in the suburbs might become winnable for the Democrats.

    Although the affirmatively furthering fair housing is often mocked for the 'magic dirt' angle - one earnestly believed by the scribes of The Atlantic and some activists - the architects of this policy are really motivated by trying to put more state-level and possibly congressional districts in play for the left.

    The suburbs are already winnable for Dems.

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  65. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "there is a huge amount of real estate profit to be made by population transfers of blacks out of potentially valuable inner city locations."

    What is surprising is the fact that Obama, Jarrett and other blacks would willingly go along with the Chicago plan. What's in it for them individually?

    And of course that's all well and great for Chicago, but what about Detroit? If only they had such far sighted well meaning developers who had the city's best interests at heart.

    Obama, Holder, Jarret, et al. are no different in their indifference (and, sometimes, hostility) to the Negro hoi polloi than are Clinton, Cook, Gates, Pelosi et al. to the white hoi polloi.

    Steve has said it before: an awful lot of this Byzantine scheming is indeed class-warfare masquerading as racial warfare….

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  66. AB- says:
    @Nico
    "Chicagoland" was long considered a cultural microcosm of Middle America. I suspect a lot of the spike in the white population can be explained by New York-, San Fran- and Boston-based white-collar single yuppies temporarily moving back home to wait out the bad job market.

    Chicagoland” was long considered a cultural microcosm of Middle America. I suspect a lot of the spike in the white population can be explained by New York-, San Fran- and Boston-based white-collar single yuppies temporarily moving back home to wait out the bad job market.

    No, the usual migration for college grads, especially womyn, is go to Chi for 2-4 years. That keeps them within a day’s drive of home and the parents and high school friends. Last thing they want is to be out there alone.

    Then, when they get their courage up, move to the left coast.

    Chi is about the only truly urban place in most of the midwest; at least a relatively safe urban place. Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, etc. don’t have anything for these chiks.

    I had 4 womyn I knew do exactly this…

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  67. Ed says:
    @Broski
    Aside from real estate, are there any other investments where knowledge of HBD can give one an edge? I've given the issue some thought and that's the only one that's come to mind. It would be awful nice if participating in the Steveosphere helped us make some money.

    At a dinner recently, a guest mentioned a friend that shorted the sovereign debt of African countries that had low yields of 4% or so. Forget the country named (Zambia?) but they made a decent bundle.

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  68. @Percy Gryce
    I spent the last half week in Chicago. I saw very few blacks out and about, though admittedly I was downtown and in Lakeview and Hyde Park. Chicago struck me and my friends as having all the big-city advantages and resources of NYC but being populated mostly by white Midwesterners. It also seemed much more affordable than the coasts.

    You did not visit the south and west sides of Chicago. BTW the south suburbs are mostly black.
    Check out this site “http://www.city-data.com/” and visit google maps south of Chicago.The blacks have been dispersed to many suburbs.Check out the suburban high school basketball and football teams. There are 1.3 million blacks in Cook county.

    I got stuck in some of those areas and the police asked what I was doing there.They gave me a ride back up north.

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  69. @Trelane
    What happened to Dolly?

    No, not Dolly the sheep. I'm talking about that country and western singer known for her soulful music and big tits.

    Here's Dolly from 1973 singing "Jolene":

    https://youtu.be/OTuQ9cKGSdM?t=32


    And here she is last night at the Emmy awards:

    https://youtu.be/4fk9c8Wnsa8

    James Woods is saying she got ambushed.

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  71. Similarly, the Obama Administration tried to cripple the ability of less desirable locations, such as Ferguson and Dubuque, to resist getting Chicago’s unwanted ex-residents dumped on them.

    Tried?

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/rockford/crime

    http://www.wifr.com/search?searchKeywords=shooting

    The West side of Rockford is a shooting gallery, worse (per capita) than Chicago by far.

    Thanks a whole lot, Daley/Emanuel.

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  72. Importing Mestizos by the millions is all about stuffing the retail channel with consumers where purchase prices are high in the USA, arbitraging the difference between retail and export of industry (and jobs) to low cost places.

    As long as interest rates remain low, this game will continue.

    When it stops, Americans will return to the worries that held their attention in the 1970′s (like pollution and overcrowded urban areas) only with 100 million more people stuffed into the country, many of them on the dole.

    Yeah, that will go really well.

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  73. DRA says:
    @Nico
    A very simple and humane and even Catholic-compatible eugenic policy is to make adults the only benefits of welfare payments and to enforce subsidies on a per capita basis only: thus, for the extreme poor, the chronically un/under-employed and the doped-up, having another child makes the benefit degressive. The same can apply to Section 8 housing, i.e., no matter how many children - legitimate or bastard - you pop out, you get the same space. (Slightly larger space should be allocated to married couples, to maximize the chances that what spawn do appear will be legitimate, which is obviously better than the alternative.)

    Could sweeten the deal a bit by paying the kids to go to school, but only on days when they attend and are not kicked out for behavior issues. Also, pay a bonus for the kids that actually learn stuff, as measured by standardized tests NOT administrated by the schools.

    Might provide a near term incentive for parent(s) to encourage effort to attend, and perhaps study up to ability.

    But I do have concerns about how honestly the system would be run.

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    Insofar as school amounts to state-run babysitting it has to be considered a subsidy to the parents. As you say the problem is the potential corruption. I would shift to negative reinforcement: if kids are kicked out of school for behavioral problems they are fully the responsibility of the parents. On that note I am fully in favor of the pillory for parents whose young children display flagrantly bad behavior.
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  74. El Dato says:

    Chicago deploys more police as death toll hits 500:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/403853-chicago-500-homicides-police/

    A report in 2013 said most of Chicago’s violent crime came from gangs trying to maintain control of drug-selling territories, and specifically related to the activities of Mexico’s Sinaloa Cartel, which was working to control illicit drug distribution against local street gangs, according to Bloomberg.

    Violence in Chicago is often hyped by the media, Grammy-nominated rapper Vic Mensa told RT’s Larry King last month.

    “Violence in Chicago is often sensationalized and it’s turned into a headline. It is used for the benefit of people in the media and people in power. It is looked at very one dimensionally without observing the factors that have created this violence,” Mensa told King. “The fact that you can live your entire life in Lincoln Park, Chicago and not hear a gunshot, but be in a different neighborhood and hear gunshots every night.”

    The tally for the number of homicides is also in dispute. The Chicago Tribune keeps a running tally and said the weekend’s death toll took the year’s total past 500, whereas the Chicago Police Department said the number was 486. The Tribune counts all homicides, including those counted as justifiable.

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  75. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    http://www.gif-explode.com/?explode=http://i.imgur.com/xZoKnTa.gif

    Excellent point. Most intelligent of the thread so far.

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  76. @Crawfurdmuir

    Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child.
     
    So, instead of "a chicken in every pot," your slogan could be "a Gosnell in every ghetto"!

    I thought we were talking about incentivizing adults to voluntarily sterilize themselves, not killing human beings who already exist by induced abortion. Sick.

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  77. @Alden
    What kind of clinics? Abortion clinics substantially reduce crime because fewer black and Browns are born.

    But most conservative men object to the simple solution for crime, welfare, destruction of schools, abortion of criminals and welfare slugs before they are born.

    Murder – or if we can’t agree on that, at least killing – is not “the” solution. Voluntary sterilization is.

    And isn’t sterilization superior to abortion as a practical matter? A woman who kills her baby through abortion can just go conceive another one, as they do all the time. A person who voluntarily gets a tubal ligation or vasectomy will find it costly and difficult to reverse the procedure and conceive again, especially if we taxpayers don’t help pay for it.

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  79. calv says:

    so if number of blacks is declining then where did they move to? (southside births still higher than northside)

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    Just... anywhere! So Evanston was always pretty black, right? But they were those blacks in suits and with briefcases who silently tip toe into the school auditorium to watch their kids compete in debate. Now, the new black people who live there have underwear bunched out of their pants and combs stuck in weird hair structures. Those 90s professuonal blacks are long gone.

    Skokie is now referred to as Scompton. They have shootings there several times a year, for the past 5 years and elderly people getting beat up. You have no idea how bizarre that is to someone like me who attended school there 12-20 years ago. It was a super Jewish town with bagels and synagogues everywhere, and a bunch of recently arrived Asian and Eastern European immigrants.
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  80. without comprehending this long push to cut Chicago’s black population.

    You mean racial cleansing? Democrats using racist policies? Who would have guessed that the party of slavery would cling to their roots so vigorously?

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  81. Nico says:
    @DRA
    Could sweeten the deal a bit by paying the kids to go to school, but only on days when they attend and are not kicked out for behavior issues. Also, pay a bonus for the kids that actually learn stuff, as measured by standardized tests NOT administrated by the schools.

    Might provide a near term incentive for parent(s) to encourage effort to attend, and perhaps study up to ability.

    But I do have concerns about how honestly the system would be run.

    Insofar as school amounts to state-run babysitting it has to be considered a subsidy to the parents. As you say the problem is the potential corruption. I would shift to negative reinforcement: if kids are kicked out of school for behavioral problems they are fully the responsibility of the parents. On that note I am fully in favor of the pillory for parents whose young children display flagrantly bad behavior.

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  83. @Percy Gryce
    I spent the last half week in Chicago. I saw very few blacks out and about, though admittedly I was downtown and in Lakeview and Hyde Park. Chicago struck me and my friends as having all the big-city advantages and resources of NYC but being populated mostly by white Midwesterners. It also seemed much more affordable than the coasts.

    A lot depends on what time of day you are out. Even in majority black neighborhoods, in the morning it can appear to be majority white. As the sun warms up and afternoon rolls around, more and more blacks start to appear while the whites finish up their business and go home. By the time the streetlights come on, you can be in a completely different demographic even though you have been standing still…

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  84. Marty T says:
    @Paleo Retiree
    Friends in Iowa City tell me that crime is 'way up there. Section 8 transplants, baby. They also tell me that, liberal college town that it is, you aren't allowed to noticed who's committing the crimes.

    I wonder if Iowa allows discrimination against Section 8 tenants in renting. If not, they might want to change that.

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    They can't change that without flouting federal statutes. Which would be fine with me.
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  85. One of the safer times to be in the hood is in the morning until at least ten thirty a.m. Tens of thousands of able bodied adults with no intention of getting up for work of whatever type, full time or part time, white-collar or blue-collar. It’s like a ghost town in some places. Tho I’d still clear out fast.

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  86. @Marty T
    I wonder if Iowa allows discrimination against Section 8 tenants in renting. If not, they might want to change that.

    They can’t change that without flouting federal statutes. Which would be fine with me.

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  87. Maya says:
    @jjbees
    Spent 5 seconds looking at this graph, with the conclusion that if I had any money at all I would start buying up crackhouses in Chicago right now, so I could be rich in 10 years.

    If I wanted to be double sure, I would see what the asian population has been doing. I imagine it has been skyrocketing (good sign!).

    If good-whites want to destroy the USA, might as well profit off its demise.

    Why “destroy”? Some of us enjoy city living. Suburbs suck. But as a teenager in the 90s and 2000s, taking up residence in the city was out of the question for a small girl who cared about her safety.

    So… The obvious solution has always been to ship the crime out to the sucky suburbs. What do they need the city for? Do they enjoy renovating historic neighborhoods? Do they fancy jogging through the old Polish part of town after work? Perhaps with their dog? Does it make them happy to buy their meds from a Walgreens situated in a turn of the century bank with the pharmacy in what used to be the vault? Do they go to indy rock shows at the underground bar? Do they like to push prams down leafy streets with record shops and coffee houses?

    Criminals like malls and carpet. So… good for them. They can have my old suburb. I mean, they didnt need my permission, aparently, and moved in while I was in college, abroad and teaching for America. I wouldn’t want my kids to go to my old high school now anyway. I heard some of my favorite teachers retired early…

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    I think the old bank vault is called "The Vitamin Vault" at the onetime bank-Walgreen's at Milwaukee/North/Damen. What suburb are you from, if I may ask? I know that lower middle class-middle class Western suburbs such as Lombard and Addison have been changing since the '90s, but my knowledge is incomplete on the rest of metro Chicago.
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  88. Maya says:
    @calv
    so if number of blacks is declining then where did they move to? (southside births still higher than northside)

    Just… anywhere! So Evanston was always pretty black, right? But they were those blacks in suits and with briefcases who silently tip toe into the school auditorium to watch their kids compete in debate. Now, the new black people who live there have underwear bunched out of their pants and combs stuck in weird hair structures. Those 90s professuonal blacks are long gone.

    Skokie is now referred to as Scompton. They have shootings there several times a year, for the past 5 years and elderly people getting beat up. You have no idea how bizarre that is to someone like me who attended school there 12-20 years ago. It was a super Jewish town with bagels and synagogues everywhere, and a bunch of recently arrived Asian and Eastern European immigrants.

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  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    What happened in 2009? Did the city host a camp of refugees from Vermont or something?

    Not Vermont, but young professionals, unemployed college graduates, and service workers from Michigan moving en mass to Chicago, like zombies, after the recession carpet bombed Michigan in 2008. The number of Michiganders in Chicago may even exceed that of Mexicans. Ohioans flooded the metro area as well, but that state’s economy was much better placed than auto-dependent Michigan. At the time, I would have a conversation with someone next to me at a bar and always ask, “Kalamazoo? Saginaw? Lansing?”

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  90. @Maya
    Why "destroy"? Some of us enjoy city living. Suburbs suck. But as a teenager in the 90s and 2000s, taking up residence in the city was out of the question for a small girl who cared about her safety.

    So... The obvious solution has always been to ship the crime out to the sucky suburbs. What do they need the city for? Do they enjoy renovating historic neighborhoods? Do they fancy jogging through the old Polish part of town after work? Perhaps with their dog? Does it make them happy to buy their meds from a Walgreens situated in a turn of the century bank with the pharmacy in what used to be the vault? Do they go to indy rock shows at the underground bar? Do they like to push prams down leafy streets with record shops and coffee houses?

    Criminals like malls and carpet. So... good for them. They can have my old suburb. I mean, they didnt need my permission, aparently, and moved in while I was in college, abroad and teaching for America. I wouldn't want my kids to go to my old high school now anyway. I heard some of my favorite teachers retired early...

    I think the old bank vault is called “The Vitamin Vault” at the onetime bank-Walgreen’s at Milwaukee/North/Damen. What suburb are you from, if I may ask? I know that lower middle class-middle class Western suburbs such as Lombard and Addison have been changing since the ’90s, but my knowledge is incomplete on the rest of metro Chicago.

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  91. @Crawfurdmuir

    Simply put 1-2 clinics on each street within the city/metro limits. And also get a federal law passed where it is directly tied to welfare/cash in kind payments. In other words, for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child.
     
    So, instead of "a chicken in every pot," your slogan could be "a Gosnell in every ghetto"!

    RadicalCenter – what Yojimbo/Zatoichi’s comment seems clearly to refer to is abortion, not sterilization, e.g., “for each trip to the clinic, a single person receives the same benefits as if they would have a child.” The locution “for each trip… a single person receives the same benefits….” implies that the person could take more than one trip. If sterilization were at issue, only one trip would be necessary.

    Furthermore, the comment refers to Freakonomics, a book which argues that the free availability of abortion has been and continues to be a factor in reducing crime rates.

    If this deserves to be called “sick,” don’t blame me. I just observed what the antecedent poster appeared to be suggesting. I do not commend it, but I will observe that paying poor women to have abortions is probably more acceptable in today’s moral climate than it would be to pay them to be sterilized. Ô tempora, ô mores!

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