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One of the curious aspects of New York Times articles is that they are often organized in the reverse order of how the same material would be reported in, say, the Daily Mail. NYT articles tend to start off boring and depressing, with only vague hints of why the reporter is interested in the subject, and don’t get to the good stuff until late in the article, by which point, no doubt, most readers have given up. For example:

In Congo, Wars Are Small and Chaos Is Endless
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN APRIL 30, 2016

That’s not a very appealing headline, unless you somehow pick up the scent that the word “small” is key to what this article is eventually going to be about. But first we get hundreds of words of intentionally tedious NPR-style scene setting.

NYUNZU, Democratic Republic of Congo — Deep in the forest, miles from any major city, lies an abandoned cotton factory full of the dispossessed.

There is no police force guarding it. No electricity or running water inside. No sense of urgency or deep concern by the national authorities to do much about it.

Instead, as the days pass, hundreds of displaced people make cooking fires or sit quietly on the concrete factory floor. Dressed in rags, they stare into space, next to huge rusted iron machinery that has not turned for decades. They are members of the Bambote, a marginalized group of forest dwellers who are victims of one of the obscure little wars that this country seems to have a talent for producing.

Little wars …

“It’s like we don’t exist,” said Kalunga Etienne, a Bambote elder.

Bambote? I never heard of them. But “marginalized group of forest dwellers” sounds like NYT code for something.

I looked up Bambote and it turns out it’s an uncommon spelling of Bambuti.

This is what the Democratic Republic of Congo, the biggest country in sub-Saharan Africa and one that has stymied just about all efforts to right it, has become: a tangle of miniwars.

Small, little, mini … seems to be a pattern. But of what?

More than 60 armed groups are operating in North Kivu and South Kivu Provinces, including a growing Islamist insurgency, whose fighters have hacked hundreds of people to death. Beyond that, there are remnants in the Uele area of the Lord’s Resistance Army, a rebel group that specializes in abducting children and turning them into killers; predatory rebels in Ituri; Bakata separatists in Katanga; armed factions in Maniema; fighters in the Nyunzu area; and youth militias in the capital, Kinshasa.

I’m sorry, my eyes glazed over. People in the Congo hacking each other up has been going on since the 1990s at least.

By the way, Bambuti is an uncommon spelling of Mbuti.

Few nations in Africa, if not the world, are home to as many armed groups. Even after billions of dollars in aid, one of the largest peacekeeping missions in United Nations history and substantial international attention over two decades, Congo’s government is incapable of providing the most elemental service: security.

Fragmentation. Factionalization. Decay. Ungoverned space. Ungovernable space. These are the terms used by aid workers and academics to describe Congo today. And it is likely to get worse.

And then come 7 paragraphs I’ll leave out about all the fighting caused by the upcoming election. There’s always an election coming up in the Congo and that’s always cause for violence. But then we get to:

Nyunzu, a territory in the southeast, a bone-crushing day’s drive from Lake Tanganyika, used to be safe. Many of the people who live here are members of the Bambote, one of several forest-dwelling hunter-gatherer groups in Congo widely known as pygmies for their short stature.

Pygmies!

Why didn’t Gettleman tell us upfront that this article is about pygmies?

Well, one reason is no doubt because a lot of NYT readers aren’t sure whether or not they’re supposed to get offended when they read the word “pygmy.” I mean Donald Trump referring to “the blacks” is supposed to be an outrageous linguistic anachronism proving his despicable racism, so it would seem like “pygmy” ought to be a hanging offense. Except it is the only word that exists for pygmies as a whole, as poor Gettleman explains:

The term pygmy is often used in Congo and in other parts of Africa, although the forest dwellers tend to refer to themselves by the names of their groups.

“This is our first war,” Lumbu Baruani, a Bambote elder, said with a sad shake of his head. If it were up to him, he said, he would be in the forest, hunting antelope or catching grasshoppers for a snack.

Pygmies hunt the tiny dik-dik antelope with nets.

According to several analysts, it says a lot about Congo’s state of affairs when a local war draws in members of a traditional hunter-gatherer group.

“Their existence is so dependent on cooperation,” said Barry S. Hewlett, an anthropologist who has spent decades researching hunter-gatherer communities in Central Africa. “Sharing and giving is essential to their way of life. If there is a conflict even in the camp, one of the individuals just moves.”

The war started, the Bambote say, in 2014. What set it off was an extramarital affair.

The elders in Nyunzu said a man from another ethnic group, the Luba, had impregnated a Bambote woman.

Lubas are Bantus — i.e., normal full-sized blacks. Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth, but nobody is sure if it’s respectable to talk about physical diversity among Africans. I first noticed this decades ago in articles about the Dinkas and Nuers of what is now South Sudan. Reporters were weirdly leery of mentioning that the Dinkas and Nuers are really tall.

Similarly, the three photos of the Bambotes in the NYT article are chosen to provide no sense of scale of how short they are. Evidently that would be in poor taste.

Isn’t it obviously self-defeating to downplay the main thing about this story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti — that they are pygmies?

This caused a scandal, not least because the woman was married, and inflamed tensions between the groups.

Where have I heard that story before? Oh, yeah, the Trojan War. It’s a good story.

For generations, some men from the Luba group have chosen brides from communities such as the Bambote.

“Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term. Kind of like the Romans chose brides among the Sabine women.

Many elders complained that Luba men had not shown enough respect to the women’s parents.

Scientists believe that the few remaining hunter-gatherers living in Central Africa’s vast rain forest were its original inhabitants. Their adherence to tradition has kept them far behind other groups in education and wealth. At the same time, they have maintained an unusual degree of harmony among themselves and with their environment.

When the Bambote elders confronted the Luba adulterer, he did not apologize. Instead, the elders said, he killed the woman’s husband, setting off a wave of killings between the two communities.

Deeper problems were clearly driving the feud. Analysts point to long-simmering conflicts between the Bambote and the Luba over issues like land rights and labor practices.

“Labor practices” probably isn’t the frankest term.

The local authorities in Nyunzu said it had been customary for the forest dwellers to work for the Luba as field hands for as little as 50 cents a day. Sometimes, they were even paid in salt or cassava scraps.

“Historically, they have been exploited,” said Pierre Mukamba Kaseya, the head of Nyunzu’s local administration. “All of a sudden, it was as if they woke up and saw the light.”

For the first time anyone could remember, the Bambote banded together in militias and began attacking Luba villages with torches and poisoned arrows.

Awesome.

I was hoping that “poisoned arrows” meant blowguns and poisoned darts, but blowguns appear to be restricted to Southeast Asia and the New World. (By the way, it’s illegal to own a blowgun in Washington DC.)

The Mbuti shoot their poisoned arrows with bows, not blowpipes. But they also have fairly elaborate crossbows, which is cool. (On the other hand, some sources claim African pygmies hunt with blowguns, so I don’t know. I haven’t found any convincing phots yet.)

What would the Daily Mail’s headline look like? Something like:

Pygmies Firing Poisoned Arrows Rebel against Exploiting Slaver Rapists

Then there’d be about four sub-headlines about adultery and murder.

The Luba fought back.

A wave of anger and violence rippled across the green hills. This area is spectacularly beautiful, the Congo often imagined by outsiders — sharp hills, surging rivers, towering forests and lush paths that snake off the road into other worlds.

But soon it was a gruesome killing field.

Some victims’ genitals were cut off. Other victims were skinned. According to a Human Rights Watch report, one survivor heard members of a Luba militia cry out, “We will exterminate you all this year.”

Threatened pygmy genocide is kind of bad.

Hundreds, if not thousands, of homes were burned. So were many schools. People fled in all directions.

Few, if any, guns were used — axes and arrows were the weapons on hand …

Poisoned arrows, let’s not forget.

Poor Gettleman goes all the way to the Katanga province of the Congo to get this great story about a pygmy rebellion and he has to write it upside down and bury all the good parts at the end.

 
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  1. Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    I take it you are being sarcastic. Bantus have been exterminating the indigenous peoples of Southern Africa ( Pygmy, Bushmen and Hottentots ) since shortly after they left Cameroon about 400 BC and headed south. If it weren't for the Afrikaaners and European Colonialists generally, there wouldn't be indigenous people left.
    By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities.
    Now, even in Botswana, once regarded as their safest sanctuary, the end seems in sight for Bushmen.
    , @Erik Sieven
    in a way this is right. The european interference is responsible for subsaharan Africa catching up with eurasian levels of population density. The Bantu expansion was much likely somehow supported by this interference, as Bantus due to their higher development profited more of any mortality-decreasing measures.
    What the world needs now as fast as possible is a global consensus between India, Europe, China, USA that the african population expansion has to be contained, which means no immigration from subsaharan Africa in any of these regions.
    , @ogunsiron
    "Bambuti is an uncommon spelling of Mbuti."
    Ba- is simply a bantu prefix that denotes belonging to a particular people. Batutsi, bahutu, batswana, bamileke, bacongo = the tutsi, hutu, tswana, mileke, congo people. The word ba-ntu itself sort of means "people in general".

    I'm actually quite surprised to read about pygmies fighting back against taller bantus.
    I didn't think they had that in them at all.
    , @bomag

    we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.
     
    That compounds the original problem: the killers and exploiters move around and expand their empire. To expand on Erik S., we need borders and protection for the vulnerable everywhere.
    , @JBrennan
    Opportunity and free movement? Oh that's funny
    , @Stan d Mute

    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.
     
    The infection runs deep in you doesn't it? Like "The Force" it is. White Guilt is the underlying firmament of reality. Where most whites would stop with a condemnation of King Leopold, for you it is all "European colonialism" and "we" remain responsible for tribal and racial conflicts in the most primitive and savage corner of the planet.

    Do you imagine that before Stanley the various Bantu, Pygmy, and other populations just lived in blissful harmony with nature? Did the missionaries introduce cannibalism to the Congo? Was Stanley secretly down there on a mission to steal the Congolese' vast store of scientific and literary achievement while infecting the natives with previously unknown conflicts over females and resources?

    Some of this is undoubtedly the result of disingenuous language used by the NYT and others. They use words normally referencing aspects of western civilization to describe the Pygmy vs Bantu conflict with the intent no doubt being conflation of the Stone Age culture and modern western culture. Things like this:

    Analysts point to long-simmering conflicts between the Bambote and the Luba over issues like land rights and labor practices.
     
    "Analysts"? Really? These people have no written language even today. "Labor practices"? Really? Kidnapping, slavery, sexual slavery, human butchery and use of body parts and organs as foodstuffs and magic potions are "labor practices"? The reality of how these populations actually live is incomprehensible to most westerners. Sugar-coating the reality with flowery description is a large part of the problem. But it's critical to The Narrative that we never acknowledge how Europe has worked for centuries to try and bring civilization to this part of the world. We must never notice the unbelievable barbarity that still exists today and blame any reality that slips through on those evil european colonizers.
  2. OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don’t (and they won’t, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you’re free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it’s their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    …So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?”

    -Shillary Rodham
    , @Priss Factor
    From mugged by reality to smugged by fantasy.

    Where did it all lead?

    Uh....MLK was great but would have been greater with bras and wig and using a woman's rest-room.

    Maybe he was a closet-trans. How about adding a wig and dress to the mall statue.

    Blacks should have been flattered by Washington in bras. Too bad they were 'transphobic' about it.

    http://www.saic.edu/150/sites/default/files/Mirth-and-Girth_1.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirth_%26_Girth

    I have a dream and also mirth and girth...

    Mirth and Girth of a nation.

    , @utu
    "The smug style in American liberalism" - This is a very good article. Not sure where its author, Emmett Rensin, is coming from, but the descriptive part is very good. He does not go into the causes.
    , @AndrewR
    http://www.salon.com/2016/04/30/we_must_shame_dumb_trump_fans_the_white_working_class_are_not_victims/

    tl;dr: white people are evil
    , @cwhatfuture
    When a powerful liberal white democrat loses to an illiberal but left wing politician who looks like Manuel Noriega, and when a wealth tax is passed - (The Ernesto Che Guevara Memorial Funding Act) - then they will lose their smugness.
  3. The NYTimes is above seeking clicks and eyeballs? Simply including the word pygmy in the title would have boosted readership. Where is the hustle and good old profit motive? One thing the Daily Mail is hustle! They know how to compose proper titles! And sometimes its comments sections are a good way to test the temperature.

  4. Kidnapped wives, slavers, pygmies, poison darts, crossbows, ethnic cleansing … this story has everything but a small group of military advisers who keep the low intensity conflict going to keep the region destabilised … surprised the Times would miss such an important detail.

  5. So I wonder what a Bantu/Pygmy mix looks like.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Shorter than the former, taller than the latter.
    , @JSM
    Is a Pygmy woman's pelvis even capable of birthing the product of a Bantu/Pygmy mix?
  6. anon • Disclaimer says:

    ” There is no such thing as love in those countries, the feeling is not understood, nor does it exist in the shape in which we understand it. Everything is practical, without a particle of romance. Women are so far appreciated as they are valuable animals. They grind the corn, etc… and as such are valuable”…..”The wife is always purchased; and as this is done, in the great majority of cases, when she is but a child, her wishes as a matter of course, are never consulted…The price of a wife is usually three cows, a goat or a sheep….”

    “The palavers were numerous and difficult to settle. They related either to runaway wives (a fertile source of ill-will and blood-shed) or to homicides. ….As regards runaway wives, the laws are very severe. Any wife refusing to remain with her husband , or running away, is condemned to have her ears and nose cut off. Any man debauching his neighbor’s wife has to give a slave to the injured husband , and , if he cannot pay this fine, he must have his ears and nose cut off. They have no laws to punish robbery…..”

    “The idea of love, as we understand it, seems unknown to the Africans. ….A woman would infinitely prefer to be one of a dozen wives off a respectable man, than to be the sole representative of a man who had not force of character to raise himself above the one-woman level……”

    “A man’s importance in society is rated according to the number of his wives and slaves; and naturally enough, the only limit known to the multiplication of them in a country where both can be had for money, is a man’s ability to purchase. ….”

    It will be seen from the quotes above from The Negro in Negroland that it is misleading and fruitless to try to grasp African mores related to marriage and adultery with Western European conventional ideas. We must beware of applying our standards to alien situations in which they don’t fit. Drawing conclusions and proposing prospective solutions from our vantage point is bound to be off the mark.

    http://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Negroland-America-Generally-Involuntary/dp/1330220005/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462106282&sr=1-4&keywords=the+negro+in+negroland

  7. and washington d.c. is where blow guns are needed the most.

  8. It would be terrible for the pygmies to be exterminated by the Bantus. These little people should get refugees status and flights to Europe and Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis should be stopped at the border.

  9. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “The Bushman , who has lost his wife by elopement, walks out with his gun and shoots the first man whom he meets. He then proclaims that he has done this because a man has run away with his wife. The clansmen of the murdered man are enraged, not against the husband–who has simply complied with a usage of society, –but because the duty of the avenger is now cast upon them. As the gay Lothario is out of their reach, they kill a man belonging to the next village; his friends retaliate on their unsuspecting neighbors; and so rolls on this ball of destruction till the whole country is on the alert. The gates of all the villages are closed and barricaded, and some luckless clan can gain no opportunity of washing out their wrong in somebody’s else blood. The chief of that clan then summons a council, and puts forward his claim against the man who has run away with the wife. The husband has no longer anything to do with the matter. The chief of the culprit’s clan offers pecuniary compensation, and general concord is restored.” –Reade’s Savage Africa, page 217.

    Again, it will be seen from the quote above from The Negro in Negroland that it is misleading and fruitless to try to grasp African mores related to marriage and adultery with Western European conventional ideas. We must beware of applying our standards to alien situations in which they don’t fit. Drawing conclusions and proposing prospective solutions from our vantage point is bound to be off the mark.

  10. This reminds me of a salon article bemoaning terrible headlines. (Can’t find the link, sorry.) Least self-aware article ever.

  11. This is an extraordinary post. Thanks for noticing and breaking it down in your distinctive way, Steve. I’m going to share it with my kids as lesson in manipulative reporting, and in how to read an NYT article.

  12. Okay, this analysis is why I need to pay you.
    I never-never-never would have read the article or understood a word of it without you.

  13. The topic sentence and paragraph died when the purpose of journalism changed from providing you with information to providing you with feelz.

  14. Yeah when did “the blacks” become so Crimethink? I had an acquaintance from Seattle who got his panties in a twist when I asked my historian friend a question about “the blacks” in Georgia after the war. I asked him if he would have preferred I said “the negros” or “the coloreds.”

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    I belive the phrase you were looking for is "African American community". We're all prosperous now, and we can afford the top shelf words.
  15. @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don't (and they won't, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    ...So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.
     

    “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?”

    -Shillary Rodham

    • Replies: @utu
    “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?” - noneconomic social justice instead of economic one.
  16. Awesome.

    My thoughts exactly.

    I was hoping that “poisoned arrows” meant blowguns and poisoned darts,

    Me too, Steve, me too.

    (On the other hand, some sources claim African pygmies hunt with blowguns, so I don’t know. I haven’t found any convincing phots yet.)

    *crosses fingers*

    The NYTs reporting style is a financial winner, right? We only get what the market demands. Or so I am told.

  17. Trump voters angered at over issues like land rights and labor practices (and other stuff too).

  18. Hey Steve, I’ve noticed the same thing.

    Americans simply don’t do journalism the way the English do.

    Perhaps this is due to Americans’ inadequate grasp of their native tongue.

  19. “People in the Congo hacking each other up has been going on since the 1990s at least.” Or the Bronze Age, whichever came first.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    I doubt they had a bronze age in the Congo.
  20. As a former Washington, DC newspaper reporter, I’ll tell you why New York Times and other mainstream media articles often have an inverted structure with the most important information at the end.

    The way you get to be the editor of a big mainstream news outlet is not by being a good journalist, but by being a good corporate politician. If you care too much about publishing the truth, you will get into trouble and won’t be promoted.

    On the other hand, many people still go into journalism because they care about truth, want to discover it, and want to tell the public about it. Unless you were a reporter, you would not believe how much some reporters agonize about how to write news stories that are accurate, professional, and also truthful.

    What do you do if you interview some government muckity-muck and you know he’s lying through his teeth? As a reporter, you may not inject yourself and your opinions into a news article. Normally, you try to get balancing statements from someone else, then let the readers make up their own minds, as a reporter should.

    A variation occurs when your article touches official dogma that you know is a pack of lies. Want to know my favorite? You won’t like this example, and maybe you’re right, but I do: At the very end of several New York Times articles about the 9/11 attacks, I’ve seen lines that contradict the rest of the article. One article about NIST’s explanation (impact, fire, and heat) for the WTC towers’ collapse ended with a line that no similar structure had ever collapsed due to airplane impact, fire, or heat. The reporter knew the NIST report was bunk. But he also knew that the editor would never allow that in the article. So the reporter buried the most important part of the article at the end, hoping that the editor wouldn’t read that far. And he was right.

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "One article about NIST’s explanation (impact, fire, and heat) for the WTC towers’ collapse ended with a line that no similar structure had ever collapsed due to airplane impact, fire, or heat. The reporter knew the NIST report was bunk. But he also knew that the editor would never allow that in the article. So the reporter buried the most important part of the article at the end, hoping that the editor wouldn’t read that far. And he was right."

    No the reporter in that case was not trying to contradict the rest of the article or sneaking in something contrary to dogma, slipping it past the editor. It is a simple background fact. You seem to imply that the buildings collapsed because explosives were planted inside...so you are crazy. You read articles like a crazy person and come up with crazy analysis.
  21. substantial international attention over two decades

    That’s not really true. The media avoid reporting on the Congo as the primitive savagery and childish evil would spoil the pro-immigration narrative.

  22. OT: Sailer-bait – “Why has there been an exodus of black residents from West Coast liberal hubs?”

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0501-renn-reverse-great-migration-20160501-story.html

    It is tangential to the overall piece, but the author makes a claim that Minneapolis is attracting black residents in recent years, based on some demographic stats. The fact that these are probably largely Somali immigrants goes unsaid.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Isn't this just the dimwitted liberal's take on classic Sailer real estate reporting?

    http://takimag.com/article/the_san_fran_whitening_plan_steve_sailer/print

    http://takimag.com/article/wasted_advantages_steve_sailer/print

    Dimwitted LA Times: cities' puzzling "failure to attract" blacks

    Definitive Sailer explanation: savvy cities actively repelling blacks

    This is why I hardly bother with reading the liberal prestige press anymore. The effort required to untangle their stupidity is just better used elsewhere.

    And yes, Minneapolis is probably "attracting" (i.e., getting dumped with) Somalis, which they will eventually regret.

    , @Triumph104

    New York's and Philadelphia's black population growth rates are low but positive, in line with slow overall regional growth.
     
    The New York Times has done articles on the decrease of the black population in the city. Many black New Yorkers are moving to the South. Harlem is no longer majority black. In the last ten years there has been a decrease in the percentage of black children in the public schools. Also, New York has a large immigrant population.

    The New York Post reported that black women in NY have the lowest birthrate and have abortions at a rate of 55 percent. Half of the newborns had a foreign born mother.

    http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    Over four years ago the Seattle Times reported that English-speaking blacks tested worst than Somali and Ethiopian children, so obviously there is a significant black immigrant community.
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/alarming-new-test-score-gap-discovered-in-seattle-schools/

    Miami, with its powerful Latino presence that includes Afro-Latinos, also added about 100,000 blacks (8.3%).
     
    I guess this guy never heard of Haitians. Very few Afro-Latinos identify as black.

    Nationwide black women have nearly the same fertility rate as white women. But while the white percentage of the population is decreasing, the black percentage has remained steady at 13 percent through immigration.
  23. The NY Times writer definitely missed the boat on this one. Adultery, slavery and genocide? Not to mention that the writer totally ignored the Homeric themes of a war being launched over a woman’s virtue? I know journalists have gotten lazy nowadays but surely they can do better than that.

  24. “Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth…”

    And yet whites are far more diverse in ways that really matter. Blacks are more physically diverse? OK. But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites.

    • Replies: @Langley
    "But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites."


    Yes. Due to a number of selection factors there is less diversity in Africans than in Europeans in the U.S.A.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serfig8.gif

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

    , @Bhroham
    What? African American descendants of slaves (who were presumably of average innate intelligence for their regions of origin) have such massively different social outcomes (lower than whites on average) from the descendants of recent Nigerian immigrants (high innate intelligence for their regions of origin, and higher social outcomes than whites on average). It's hardly a 'very narrow range' is it?
    , @gruff
    I think if you looked at the diversity of actual cultural forms that the Africans would make a good showing. There are cattle herding cultures, hunter gatherers, trading cultures, agriculturalists...various religions, family structures...etc.

    Your point about the behavior of racial groups when transposed into what is in a sense an alien culture is one worth investigating but there's no need to denigrate unnecessarily.
  25. OT: Malia Obama to Attend Harvard, but Not Until 2017

    WASHINGTON — Malia Obama, the older daughter of President Obama, plans to attend Harvard University beginning in the fall of 2017, the White House announced on Sunday, waiting until her father leaves office to begin her college career.

    Malia’s much-speculated-upon decision, announced in a news release after months of official silence from the White House about her college search process, will make her the latest in a long line of presidential children to attend the elite university in Cambridge, Mass. Both of her parents attended law school there.

    “The President and Mrs. Obama announced today that their daughter Malia will attend Harvard University in the fall of 2017 as a member of the Class of 2021. Malia will take a gap year before beginning school,” the White House said in a statement.

    In deferring her start date until 2017, Malia, 17, is availing herself of the opportunity to take a “gap year,” a popular option for high school seniors who are seeking experiences outside the classroom — some in far-flung parts of the world — before they begin pursuing a degree. Harvard actively encourages admitted students to do so.

  26. J1234 says:

    For generations, some men from the Luba group have chosen brides from communities such as the Bambote.

    from Steve:

    “Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term.

    The earlier reference to NPR made me think of a News Hour piece on AIDS in Africa several years ago. Ray Suarez, traveling in Africa, had to state the uncomfortable fact that the contagion was not only a product of promiscuity among blacks, but forced promiscuity among blacks. One sub-Saharan male bragged to the camera that no woman would ever refuse to have sex with him, for if she did, he would take her by force. “That’s just how things are done down here.”

    True to form, Suarez referred to this prevalent attitude as a “unique sexual culture.” Not a “culture of rape” or a “culture of misogyny.”

  27. If the Black Africans targeting harmless little forest folk for slave labor, rape, torture and murder were not much darker than their victims we would hear all about it. But a black skinned people being vicious toward a disadvantaged placid lighter skinned ethnic group does not compute at the NYT.

  28. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.”

    No European colonialism connection whatsoever, other than perhaps modern Westerners providing the medical basis for an explosion in the African population. Free movement and opportunity sounds like the problem. The Luba are freely moving into the pygmy’s land and taking opportunity of their women.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  29. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    I take it you are being sarcastic. Bantus have been exterminating the indigenous peoples of Southern Africa ( Pygmy, Bushmen and Hottentots ) since shortly after they left Cameroon about 400 BC and headed south. If it weren’t for the Afrikaaners and European Colonialists generally, there wouldn’t be indigenous people left.
    By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities.
    Now, even in Botswana, once regarded as their safest sanctuary, the end seems in sight for Bushmen.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities."

    Yes, we know, the "Invade The World, Invite The World" philosophy embraced by European colonizers, for God, glory, and gold, has worked out so well for whites today. All for progress.

    White authorities "reasonably well protected" their black and brown underlings primarily to maintain the flow of natural resources to European nations.
  30. Steve, write a play about journalism. “The Importance of Being Frank”.

    It starts out by several well spoken fellows admitting to each other that they’ve been lying to the world about being frank. Traditional society and Christianity are made fun of, and it all ends in a rather predictable scene where they all turn out to be of the same tribe.

  31. Deeper problems were clearly driving the feud. Analysts point to long-simmering conflicts between the Bambote and the Luba over issues like land rights and labor practices.

    “Labor practices” probably isn’t the frankest term.

    MMMM, what’s the PC term for slavery when it’s being done by non-Europeans…….Got it! “Hereditary servants.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "MMMM, what’s the PC term for slavery when it’s being done by non-Europeans…….Got it! “Hereditary servants.”

    There is a film called Eden, which is about a bunch of White Gringo pimps who run a sex slavery prostitution ring where most of the females are Hispanic, Asian, and African American.

    The premise of that film is more unrealistic than Dawn Of The Dead.

    I guarantee that 100 percent of Nonwhite female sex slaves have Nonwhite pimps.

  32. ‘…Poisoned arrows, let’s not forget…’

    Dead is dead. ISIS-style beheadings use knives-could just as easily use firearms to kill.

    • Replies: @jesse helms think-alike
    Actually ISIS beheadings quite literally obey the words of the Koran .

    verse 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks...

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.

    I recall one incident years ago when the it was revealed that the bomber has asked his mother permission to go on jihad. There was much tittering in the media over that. Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.
  33. @Wilkey
    "Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth..."

    And yet whites are far more diverse in ways that really matter. Blacks are more physically diverse? OK. But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites.

    “But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites.”

    Yes. Due to a number of selection factors there is less diversity in Africans than in Europeans in the U.S.A.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

  34. The pygmy goes “it’s our first war”. How does he know? They don’t write history. I bet they’re in wars all the time.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The pygmy goes “it’s our first war”. How does he know? They don’t write history. I bet they’re in wars all the time.

     

    In a language that reportedly has words for only one, two or three, they must restart the count after every third war.

  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-heidi-cruz-says-ted-is-an-immigrant/article/2590032

    At a campaign stop just days before the critical Indiana primary, Heidi Cruz, wife of Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz, said one of her husband’s strengths in the campaign is that he “is an immigrant.”

    “Ted is an immigrant,” Mrs. Cruz said, emphasizing the word “is.” “He is Hispanic.”

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic ...."
     
    One of the funnier lines from Obama's Correspondents' Dinner was to recount the story about Ted Cruz referring to a basketball hoop as a "basketball ring," to which Obama said something to the effect of, "But sure, I'm the foreign one."
    , @Big Bill
    And not just ANY immigrant. A Cubano-Canadio-American immigrant!
  36. If you start with the paragraph…..”Few nations in Africa, if not the world, are home to as many armed groups.” Substitute the name of any of a dozen American cities and the story could still stand, especially the billions wasted and no security. There is a commonality , but I am still trying to put my finger on it.

  37. Steve – Fabulous piece of writing/analysis. ““Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term.” You have great talent. Alas you will never work for the NY Times because they require morons that enjoy creating propaganda.

  38. This shit pisses me off so damn much.
    #1. “Pygmy” is the correct generalized term. Liberals need to realize that people fleeing death in remote African villages do not have American hang-ups about ethnonyms; they just want to not die.
    #2. They are being raped, murdered, and enslaved, (and if very recent history is any guide, eaten,) but the “liberals” cannot come out and just say so?
    #3. I feel bad for the pygmies; obviously they are at a great disadvantage viz their neighbors and tend to get the short end of the stick. (Though I am highly skeptical of anyone claiming that hunter gatherers are totally peaceful, as they tend not to be.)
    🙁
    Steve, I suspect their arrows are rather similar to the poison arrows used by the Bushmen, which I believe are pretty conventional bow-and-arrow setups with rather small stone arrowheads dipped in poison. The wikipedia page on the San has a picture of a Bushman preparing a poison arrow.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    To clarify: It looks like he is holding the arrow in his left hand, and the thick stick in his right hand is the poison applicator. The dark substance on the shaft of the arrow is likely the poison. Image searching for bushman arrow gets more pictures, like the one here: http://www.itravelto.com/wilderness-safari-tour-3-day-makgadikgadi-san-camp.html oh, and here is a good one http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/alticinae/arrows.htm
  39. @EvolutionistX
    This shit pisses me off so damn much.
    #1. "Pygmy" is the correct generalized term. Liberals need to realize that people fleeing death in remote African villages do not have American hang-ups about ethnonyms; they just want to not die.
    #2. They are being raped, murdered, and enslaved, (and if very recent history is any guide, eaten,) but the "liberals" cannot come out and just say so?
    #3. I feel bad for the pygmies; obviously they are at a great disadvantage viz their neighbors and tend to get the short end of the stick. (Though I am highly skeptical of anyone claiming that hunter gatherers are totally peaceful, as they tend not to be.)
    :(
    Steve, I suspect their arrows are rather similar to the poison arrows used by the Bushmen, which I believe are pretty conventional bow-and-arrow setups with rather small stone arrowheads dipped in poison. The wikipedia page on the San has a picture of a Bushman preparing a poison arrow.

    To clarify: It looks like he is holding the arrow in his left hand, and the thick stick in his right hand is the poison applicator. The dark substance on the shaft of the arrow is likely the poison. Image searching for bushman arrow gets more pictures, like the one here: http://www.itravelto.com/wilderness-safari-tour-3-day-makgadikgadi-san-camp.html oh, and here is a good one http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/alticinae/arrows.htm

  40. One of the curious aspects of New York Times articles is that they are often organized in the reverse order of how the same material would be reported in, say, the Daily Mail.

    God Bless You Steve Sailer. You read the NYT so we don’t have to.

    For SWPLs reading the NYT is an exercise in virtue signalling that I neither have the patience or the time for. At least with the Daily Mail I know right from the headline if I am going to be interested in reading the article.

    But if I do happen to click on the Daily Mail link and it rarely disappoints I at least have the distraction of catching up on the latest celebrity wardrobe malfunction or bikini photo-op along the side bar.

  41. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    in a way this is right. The european interference is responsible for subsaharan Africa catching up with eurasian levels of population density. The Bantu expansion was much likely somehow supported by this interference, as Bantus due to their higher development profited more of any mortality-decreasing measures.
    What the world needs now as fast as possible is a global consensus between India, Europe, China, USA that the african population expansion has to be contained, which means no immigration from subsaharan Africa in any of these regions.

  42. “According to a Human Rights Watch report, one survivor heard members of a Luba militia cry out, “We will exterminate you all this year.””
    so Bantus trying to exterminate Pygmies? The only logical thing for Angela Merkel is now that every Bantu person from Congo has the right to settle in Hungary, Poland or Germany. Also every Bantu person from any other region has this right. Also any slightly Bantu-looking person who says he is a Bantu.

  43. Fragmentation. Factionalization. Decay. Ungoverned space. Ungovernable space. These are the terms used by aid workers and academics to describe Congo today. And it is likely to get worse.

    I love how they describe diversity a strength in regards to America, but accurately describe it when referring to the Congo. What makes them think that the USA won’t end up any less fragmented, factionalized and ungovernable as the Congo?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    As long as remittances from illegal immigrants keep funding the phone calls made through the Salim monopoly, does it really matter? There are bigger things at stake here.
    , @Jefferson
    "I love how they describe diversity a strength in regards to America, but accurately describe it when referring to the Congo. What makes them think that the USA won’t end up any less fragmented, factionalized and ungovernable as the Congo?"

    In The Congo the violent conflict is due to cultural differences, not racial differences.

    To us White people, all of these different Sub Saharan tribes racially look alike to us. We can't tell apart a Yoruba from a Bantu just on phenotype alone. To us White people, the conflict in The Congo is just another form of Black on Black murder.

  44. It really is amazing how uncomfortable people get when discussing obvious things all of us knew about Africa not so many years ago.

    Tall tribes, pygmy tribes, steatopygia, all of the the things that seem so naturally to pique one’s curiosity, seem to be unknown to today’s millennials, and by design.

    I have an in-law who epitomizes PC. We had him and his family over and one night wanted to find some entertainment on TV. We happened upon an Abbot and Costello film, which was set in Africa, and I thought it might make for a fun film for his kids, who were in, or near, their early teens. He announced that the film was “racist”, and he couldn’t expose his kids to it. I was baffled, and asked him why he said it was racist. He said, because of its depiction of blacks in Africa. Not that he was familiar with the particular film — it was just that he knew it had to be racist because it was set in Africa, and was from an unenlightened era. It became obvious enough that, from his point of view, the only acceptable depictions of Africa had to be carefully sanitized for public consumption–otherwise, they were by default racist.

    The irony is that this same in-law and his wife refused to allow their kids to believe in Santa Claus. Doing so would be “deceptive”, they said, and they didn’t want their kids ever to come to doubt their honesty and candor.

  45. @Wilkey
    "Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth..."

    And yet whites are far more diverse in ways that really matter. Blacks are more physically diverse? OK. But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites.

    What? African American descendants of slaves (who were presumably of average innate intelligence for their regions of origin) have such massively different social outcomes (lower than whites on average) from the descendants of recent Nigerian immigrants (high innate intelligence for their regions of origin, and higher social outcomes than whites on average). It’s hardly a ‘very narrow range’ is it?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    What? African American descendants of slaves (who were presumably of average innate intelligence for their regions of origin) have such massively different social outcomes (lower than whites on average) from the descendants of recent Nigerian immigrants (high innate intelligence for their regions of origin, and higher social outcomes than whites on average). It’s hardly a ‘very narrow range’ is it?
     
    Dunno. Wake me up when Nigerian versions of Newton, Einstein, Darwin, James Clerk Maxwell, Archimedes, Gauss, Euler, etc, etc, start showing up.

    Greg Cochran:

    I remember talking about the distribution of creativity in science and engineering on a fairly high-powered discussion group and was surprised to find that no one there = except me- knew the basic facts. Hardly anyone seems to know that that > 95% of real innovation in the last two hundred years has been due to Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews. Most of the remaining 5% originated in China, Japan, and from certain Hindu castes: but per-capita production of ideas in those groups is way lower than from, say, the Netherlands.

    To a good approximation, no important ideas or inventions have originated in Latin America, sub-Saharan Africa, or the Islamic world over the past few hundred years.
     
  46. There’s a movie in there somewhere for Mel Gibson.

  47. @iSteveFan

    Fragmentation. Factionalization. Decay. Ungoverned space. Ungovernable space. These are the terms used by aid workers and academics to describe Congo today. And it is likely to get worse.
     
    I love how they describe diversity a strength in regards to America, but accurately describe it when referring to the Congo. What makes them think that the USA won't end up any less fragmented, factionalized and ungovernable as the Congo?

    As long as remittances from illegal immigrants keep funding the phone calls made through the Salim monopoly, does it really matter? There are bigger things at stake here.

  48. When Open Borders Magic Dirt wonks have their way under President Hillwhorey and import “refugee” pygmies and then endlessly facilitate their “family reunification,” you know that all countertops and bus steps, toilets and school desks, army uniforms & weapons & qualification standards and all “public facilities” will be expensively “recalibrated” to be “non-racist” and “non-size-ist” to accommodate and avoid “underserving” the New Vertically-Challenged Americans.

  49. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    I don’t know about poisoned arrows, but it was written with a rubber pen.

    If rubber stamping is too obvious, rubber pen the PC.

  50. gruff says:
    @Wilkey
    "Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth..."

    And yet whites are far more diverse in ways that really matter. Blacks are more physically diverse? OK. But when you set blacks down in a civilized nation their politics, culture, skillsets, and economic outcomes all tend to fall inside a very narrow range compared to whites.

    I think if you looked at the diversity of actual cultural forms that the Africans would make a good showing. There are cattle herding cultures, hunter gatherers, trading cultures, agriculturalists…various religions, family structures…etc.

    Your point about the behavior of racial groups when transposed into what is in a sense an alien culture is one worth investigating but there’s no need to denigrate unnecessarily.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  51. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don't (and they won't, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    ...So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.
     

    From mugged by reality to smugged by fantasy.

    Where did it all lead?

    Uh….MLK was great but would have been greater with bras and wig and using a woman’s rest-room.

    Maybe he was a closet-trans. How about adding a wig and dress to the mall statue.

    Blacks should have been flattered by Washington in bras. Too bad they were ‘transphobic’ about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirth_%26_Girth

    I have a dream and also mirth and girth…

    Mirth and Girth of a nation.

  52. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    “Bambuti is an uncommon spelling of Mbuti.”
    Ba- is simply a bantu prefix that denotes belonging to a particular people. Batutsi, bahutu, batswana, bamileke, bacongo = the tutsi, hutu, tswana, mileke, congo people. The word ba-ntu itself sort of means “people in general”.

    I’m actually quite surprised to read about pygmies fighting back against taller bantus.
    I didn’t think they had that in them at all.

  53. Why do I get the impression that the NYT is rooting for the Bantus? Aren’t they supposed to favor the underdog?

  54. My god! Could it be that there a t****s involved? Small groups, like r***s, which are distinct in genetic characteristics and the expression of said genetics?

  55. @iSteveFan

    Fragmentation. Factionalization. Decay. Ungoverned space. Ungovernable space. These are the terms used by aid workers and academics to describe Congo today. And it is likely to get worse.
     
    I love how they describe diversity a strength in regards to America, but accurately describe it when referring to the Congo. What makes them think that the USA won't end up any less fragmented, factionalized and ungovernable as the Congo?

    “I love how they describe diversity a strength in regards to America, but accurately describe it when referring to the Congo. What makes them think that the USA won’t end up any less fragmented, factionalized and ungovernable as the Congo?”

    In The Congo the violent conflict is due to cultural differences, not racial differences.

    To us White people, all of these different Sub Saharan tribes racially look alike to us. We can’t tell apart a Yoruba from a Bantu just on phenotype alone. To us White people, the conflict in The Congo is just another form of Black on Black murder.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  56. “”For generations, some men from the Luba group have chosen brides from communities such as the Bambote.””

    ““Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term.”

    Choosing brides is a time honored custom, memorably portrayed by Stella, Cortona, Poussin, and many others:

    The Choosing of the Sabine Women

  57. OT:

    “Malawi’s albinos at risk of ‘total extinction,’ U.N. warns”

    ‘In some African countries, albinos’ body parts are believed to bring wealth and good luck. As a result, attackers chop off their limbs and pluck out organs, and sell them to witchdoctors.’

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/30/africa/malawi-albinos-face-extinction/index.html

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Very shortsighted. They should sustainably breed them for harvest.(/swiftian satire)
  58. @syonredux

    Deeper problems were clearly driving the feud. Analysts point to long-simmering conflicts between the Bambote and the Luba over issues like land rights and labor practices.

    “Labor practices” probably isn’t the frankest term.
     
    MMMM, what's the PC term for slavery when it's being done by non-Europeans.......Got it! "Hereditary servants."

    “MMMM, what’s the PC term for slavery when it’s being done by non-Europeans…….Got it! “Hereditary servants.”

    There is a film called Eden, which is about a bunch of White Gringo pimps who run a sex slavery prostitution ring where most of the females are Hispanic, Asian, and African American.

    The premise of that film is more unrealistic than Dawn Of The Dead.

    I guarantee that 100 percent of Nonwhite female sex slaves have Nonwhite pimps.

  59. This just in: Obama to send bill to Congress to mitigate disparate impacts in Sub-Saharan Africa by white news media. What better legacy for his regime, er, Presidency, than to help the dispossessed and downtrodden?

  60. If a White comedian from Comedy Central had referred to Hussein Obama as my N word, Comedy Central would have fired his ass on the spot and Hussein’s secret service agents would have violently escorted him out of the building.

    When it comes to freedom of speech, Black privilege is alive and well. Negro freedom of speech is not bound by limitations. They can say whatever is on their minds and not lose their jobs.

  61. “People in the Congo hacking each other up has been going on since the 1990s at least.”

    Um, do you mean the 1990s of the Pleistocene?

  62. @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don't (and they won't, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    ...So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.
     

    “The smug style in American liberalism” – This is a very good article. Not sure where its author, Emmett Rensin, is coming from, but the descriptive part is very good. He does not go into the causes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Not sure where its author, Emmett Rensin, is coming from...
     
    With that name, it sounds like he's coming from the cooler in the cheese factory.

    Is there a cheese peppered with ants?
  63. Am I the only person that thought of ABC’s Poison Arrow when they read this? Yes, I’m shallow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Arrow

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Am I the only person that thought of ABC’s Poison Arrow when they read this? Yes, I’m shallow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Arrow
     

    In keeping with the Sailer's tradition of liberal use of video in the comments section, as well as his oft demonstrated knowledge of '80s new wave, the below is my humble addendum to your very pertinent post.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a70yJwgQtzo

  64. @Divine Right
    OT:

    "Malawi's albinos at risk of 'total extinction,' U.N. warns"

    'In some African countries, albinos' body parts are believed to bring wealth and good luck. As a result, attackers chop off their limbs and pluck out organs, and sell them to witchdoctors.'

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/30/africa/malawi-albinos-face-extinction/index.html

    Very shortsighted. They should sustainably breed them for harvest.(/swiftian satire)

  65. @Bhroham
    What? African American descendants of slaves (who were presumably of average innate intelligence for their regions of origin) have such massively different social outcomes (lower than whites on average) from the descendants of recent Nigerian immigrants (high innate intelligence for their regions of origin, and higher social outcomes than whites on average). It's hardly a 'very narrow range' is it?

    What? African American descendants of slaves (who were presumably of average innate intelligence for their regions of origin) have such massively different social outcomes (lower than whites on average) from the descendants of recent Nigerian immigrants (high innate intelligence for their regions of origin, and higher social outcomes than whites on average). It’s hardly a ‘very narrow range’ is it?

    Dunno. Wake me up when Nigerian versions of Newton, Einstein, Darwin, James Clerk Maxwell, Archimedes, Gauss, Euler, etc, etc, start showing up.

    Greg Cochran:

    I remember talking about the distribution of creativity in science and engineering on a fairly high-powered discussion group and was surprised to find that no one there = except me- knew the basic facts. Hardly anyone seems to know that that > 95% of real innovation in the last two hundred years has been due to Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews. Most of the remaining 5% originated in China, Japan, and from certain Hindu castes: but per-capita production of ideas in those groups is way lower than from, say, the Netherlands.

    To a good approximation, no important ideas or inventions have originated in Latin America, sub-Saharan Africa, or the Islamic world over the past few hundred years.

  66. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Israel's authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

    Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz, director of the Israeli government’s Conversion Authority, spoke about his organization’s handling of requests by Palestinians to convert on Tuesday during a discussion on conversions at the State Control Committee of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, the news site NRG reported."

    "The threshold requirements” to be considered by the special cases panel, he said, “are that applicants be sincere and that they are not foreign workers; infiltrators; Palestinian or illegally in the country.” In 2014, he added, the special cases committee received 400 applications. “Half of the applicants were accepted, the rest were rejected as foreign workers, infiltrators, illegal stayers and Palestinians,” he said."

    "The Israeli government fears that Palestinian attempts to convert to Judaism would be a covert form of realizing "the right of return," which is demanded by Arabs who were forced to flee or fled their former homes and lands in pre-state Israel just before the state's founding."

    Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse.


    Now, if only America were that wise regarding Hispanics attempting to gain citizenship....

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-requests-to-convert-to-Judaism-rejected-automatically-449987
  67. Giving it another go

    True to form, Suarez referred to this prevalent attitude as a “unique sexual culture.” Not a “culture of rape” or a “culture of misogyny.”

    Then there’s the Black African penchant for “dry sex”:

    Dry sex is the sexual practice of having sexual intercourse without vaginal lubrication. Vaginal lubrication can be removed by using herbal aphrodisiacs, household detergents, antiseptics,[1] by wiping out the vagina,[2] or by placing leaves in the vagina[2] besides other methods.[3] Dry sex is associated with increased health risks.

    Removing or preventing vaginal lubrication through practices associated with dry sex increases friction during intercourse, which may be perceived as increased vaginal tightness, and enhanced sexual pleasure for the male partner.[4] Some men who insist on dry sex regard “wet” women to be unchaste.[5] Dry sex can be painful for men[6][7] and women.[1] Dry sex is common in Sub-Saharan Africa[1][2] and it has also been reported in Suriname among Afro-Surinamese women.[

    The practice has been linked to the high incidence of HIV/AIDS infection in Sub-Saharan Africa.[1] The practice is regarded as increasing the risk of transmitting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) for both partners, including HIV[1][3] in a number of ways. Increased friction during intercourse may cause lacerations in vaginal tissue.[9] Drying the vagina also removes the natural antiseptic lactobacilli which can combat sexually transmitted diseases. Furthermore, dry sex increases the risk that a condom will break because of the increased friction. It may also result in vaginal inflammation and/or traumatic lesions which in turn may increase the transmission of STDs in other ways.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_sex

    I first heard about “dry sex” when one of my friends returned from Malawi, where she was doing work with women and cervical cancer screenings. Dry sex, she told me, is the practice of reducing moisture in your vagina in order to seem tighter and cause more friction during intercourse. This is believed to be more pleasurable for the person with the penis, but for the women involved, it’s incredibly painful.

    It gets worse. To achieve dryness, some women insert chalk, sand, pulverized rock, herbs, paper, or sponges before sex. Douching with caustic liquids such as detergents, antiseptics, alcohol, and bleach is also common. The use of these substances, in combination with un-lubricated penetrative sex, can lead to vaginal abrasions and increased condom breakage—which compounds the spread of HIV.

    http://www.vice.com/read/dry-sex-is-the-african-sexual-health-issue-no-ones-talking-about

  68. One more time

    True to form, Suarez referred to this prevalent attitude as a “unique sexual culture.” Not a “culture of rape” or a “culture of misogyny.”

    Then there’s the Black African penchant for “dry sex”:

    “Dry sex is the sexual practice of having sexual intercourse without vaginal lubrication. Vaginal lubrication can be removed by using herbal aphrodisiacs, household detergents, antiseptics,[1] by wiping out the vagina,[2] or by placing leaves in the vagina[2] besides other methods.[3] Dry sex is associated with increased health risks.

    Removing or preventing vaginal lubrication through practices associated with dry sex increases friction during intercourse, which may be perceived as increased vaginal tightness, and enhanced sexual pleasure for the male partner.[4] Some men who insist on dry sex regard “wet” women to be unchaste.[5] Dry sex can be painful for men[6][7] and women.[1] Dry sex is common in Sub-Saharan Africa[1][2] and it has also been reported in Suriname among Afro-Surinamese women.”

    “The practice has been linked to the high incidence of HIV/AIDS infection in Sub-Saharan Africa.[1] The practice is regarded as increasing the risk of transmitting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) for both partners, including HIV[1][3] in a number of ways. Increased friction during intercourse may cause lacerations in vaginal tissue.[9] Drying the vagina also removes the natural antiseptic lactobacilli which can combat sexually transmitted diseases. Furthermore, dry sex increases the risk that a condom will break because of the increased friction. It may also result in vaginal inflammation and/or traumatic lesions which in turn may increase the transmission of STDs in other ways.”

    “I first heard about “dry sex” when one of my friends returned from Malawi, where she was doing work with women and cervical cancer screenings. Dry sex, she told me, is the practice of reducing moisture in your vagina in order to seem tighter and cause more friction during intercourse. This is believed to be more pleasurable for the person with the penis, but for the women involved, it’s incredibly painful.”

    “It gets worse. To achieve dryness, some women insert chalk, sand, pulverized rock, herbs, paper, or sponges before sex. Douching with caustic liquids such as detergents, antiseptics, alcohol, and bleach is also common. The use of these substances, in combination with un-lubricated penetrative sex, can lead to vaginal abrasions and increased condom breakage—which compounds the spread of HIV.”

  69. @Anonymous
    Ted Cruz's wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-heidi-cruz-says-ted-is-an-immigrant/article/2590032

    At a campaign stop just days before the critical Indiana primary, Heidi Cruz, wife of Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz, said one of her husband's strengths in the campaign is that he "is an immigrant."

    "Ted is an immigrant," Mrs. Cruz said, emphasizing the word "is." "He is Hispanic."
     

    “Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic ….”

    One of the funnier lines from Obama’s Correspondents’ Dinner was to recount the story about Ted Cruz referring to a basketball hoop as a “basketball ring,” to which Obama said something to the effect of, “But sure, I’m the foreign one.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "One of the funnier lines from Obama’s Correspondents’ Dinner was to recount the story about Ted Cruz referring to a basketball hoop as a “basketball ring,” to which Obama said something to the effect of, “But sure, I’m the foreign one.”

    Ted Cruz is Canadian eh, where hockey is king and not basketball.
  70. @anony-mouse
    '...Poisoned arrows, let’s not forget...'

    Dead is dead. ISIS-style beheadings use knives-could just as easily use firearms to kill.

    Actually ISIS beheadings quite literally obey the words of the Koran .

    verse 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks…

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.

    I recall one incident years ago when the it was revealed that the bomber has asked his mother permission to go on jihad. There was much tittering in the media over that. Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.

    • Replies: @Talha
    If I may...

    Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.
     
    With all due respect, hadith actually, please check your sources. The rights of the parents are paramount (emphasized again and again, right after 'Worship God') - something forgotten in this day and age.

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.
     
    While I can't stand the Daesh takfiris and their ilk and I do agree they are very literalist in their interpretations of source texts...lopping off heads is not their exclusive monopoly. Chopping off heads and placing them on pikes (or otherwise displaying them) was pretty much universally practiced by everyone in pre-modern times (Saxons, Normans, Mayans, Chinese, etc.) - even post Revolution France. Has much more to do with the sheer shock (and deterrence) effect of it than anything else.

    Best to you and yours and your parents.

    , @Jonathan Revusky
    The ISIS beheading videos, starring the likes of Jihadi John and Jihadi Joseph, are all fake.

    Is that also mandated by the Koran?
  71. @Priss Factor
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Institute-warns-Israel-it-could-lose-Jewish-majority-Recommends-easing-conversion-policy-452751

    Israel says diversity is troubling and Israel needs more majority-homogeneity.

    “Israel’s authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

    Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz, director of the Israeli government’s Conversion Authority, spoke about his organization’s handling of requests by Palestinians to convert on Tuesday during a discussion on conversions at the State Control Committee of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, the news site NRG reported.”

    “The threshold requirements” to be considered by the special cases panel, he said, “are that applicants be sincere and that they are not foreign workers; infiltrators; Palestinian or illegally in the country.” In 2014, he added, the special cases committee received 400 applications. “Half of the applicants were accepted, the rest were rejected as foreign workers, infiltrators, illegal stayers and Palestinians,” he said.”

    “The Israeli government fears that Palestinian attempts to convert to Judaism would be a covert form of realizing “the right of return,” which is demanded by Arabs who were forced to flee or fled their former homes and lands in pre-state Israel just before the state’s founding.”

    Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse.

    Now, if only America were that wise regarding Hispanics attempting to gain citizenship….

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-requests-to-convert-to-Judaism-rejected-automatically-449987

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse."

    Hopefully, Trump can bust the Trojan Pinata.

    https://youtu.be/Z-kqSAgKC80?t=40m50s
    , @Big Bill
    I don't blame the Orthodox for fighting conversions. Very few converts (nominal Jews included) are actually going to be Torah-true. They will not keep shabbos or kasher their homes, so why bother?
  72. @Anonymous
    Ted Cruz's wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-heidi-cruz-says-ted-is-an-immigrant/article/2590032

    At a campaign stop just days before the critical Indiana primary, Heidi Cruz, wife of Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz, said one of her husband's strengths in the campaign is that he "is an immigrant."

    "Ted is an immigrant," Mrs. Cruz said, emphasizing the word "is." "He is Hispanic."
     

    And not just ANY immigrant. A Cubano-Canadio-American immigrant!

  73. @The Alarmist

    "Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi says Ted is an immigrant Hispanic ...."
     
    One of the funnier lines from Obama's Correspondents' Dinner was to recount the story about Ted Cruz referring to a basketball hoop as a "basketball ring," to which Obama said something to the effect of, "But sure, I'm the foreign one."

    “One of the funnier lines from Obama’s Correspondents’ Dinner was to recount the story about Ted Cruz referring to a basketball hoop as a “basketball ring,” to which Obama said something to the effect of, “But sure, I’m the foreign one.”

    Ted Cruz is Canadian eh, where hockey is king and not basketball.

  74. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Bambooty?

    What you talkin’ about, Jeffrey Gettlemen?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Bambooty?

    What you talkin’ about, Jeffrey Gettlemen?"

    If Gary Coleman was alive today, I think he would have been on Team Trump. He was a lifelong Republican before he passed away.
  75. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @syonredux
    "Israel's authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

    Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz, director of the Israeli government’s Conversion Authority, spoke about his organization’s handling of requests by Palestinians to convert on Tuesday during a discussion on conversions at the State Control Committee of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, the news site NRG reported."

    "The threshold requirements” to be considered by the special cases panel, he said, “are that applicants be sincere and that they are not foreign workers; infiltrators; Palestinian or illegally in the country.” In 2014, he added, the special cases committee received 400 applications. “Half of the applicants were accepted, the rest were rejected as foreign workers, infiltrators, illegal stayers and Palestinians,” he said."

    "The Israeli government fears that Palestinian attempts to convert to Judaism would be a covert form of realizing "the right of return," which is demanded by Arabs who were forced to flee or fled their former homes and lands in pre-state Israel just before the state's founding."

    Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse.


    Now, if only America were that wise regarding Hispanics attempting to gain citizenship....

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-requests-to-convert-to-Judaism-rejected-automatically-449987

    “Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse.”

    Hopefully, Trump can bust the Trojan Pinata.

  76. @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don't (and they won't, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    ...So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.
     
    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    indeed, quote:

    It is much wiser and more moral to politically destroy the enemies of liberalism, especially those who are hell-bent on preaching dislike of people they don’t know, and obstructing the progression of America into a more peaceful, just, and – yes – loving society.
     
  77. Violence is the Congo has been going on for far longer than since the 90’s.

    Nobel laureate VS Naipaul 1975 book A Bend in the River describes Congo violence during the time of Mobutu. The very entertaining movie Dark of the Sun with Rod Taylor and Jim Brown also showcases violence in the Congo. Filmed in 1968 but dealing with the fall of Belgian rule in the early 60’s. By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. And of course Joseph Conrad’s 1899 Heart of Darkness also describes gruesome violence in the same region. In future centuries if mankind preserves the ability to read and write there will be further books describing violence in this region

    • Replies: @Cracker
    "By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. "

    ROFL, I think...
    , @Clifford Brown
    How did the NY Times avoid blaming the conflict in part on Climate Change?
    , @Damocles, of Sword Fame
    Violence in Katanga has been going on since its brief secession in 1960. It broke away from the rest of the newly independent Congo after that state got swamped by rape and army mutiny but only lasted 3 years before the United Nations reintegrated it by violence. There's a book about it: Katanga 1960-63: Mercenaries, Spies, and the African Nation that Waged War on the World by Christopher Othen. A lot of the problem was ethnic (ie. tribal) violence.
  78. @syonredux
    "Israel's authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

    Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz, director of the Israeli government’s Conversion Authority, spoke about his organization’s handling of requests by Palestinians to convert on Tuesday during a discussion on conversions at the State Control Committee of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, the news site NRG reported."

    "The threshold requirements” to be considered by the special cases panel, he said, “are that applicants be sincere and that they are not foreign workers; infiltrators; Palestinian or illegally in the country.” In 2014, he added, the special cases committee received 400 applications. “Half of the applicants were accepted, the rest were rejected as foreign workers, infiltrators, illegal stayers and Palestinians,” he said."

    "The Israeli government fears that Palestinian attempts to convert to Judaism would be a covert form of realizing "the right of return," which is demanded by Arabs who were forced to flee or fled their former homes and lands in pre-state Israel just before the state's founding."

    Gotta watch out for the demographic Trojan Horse.


    Now, if only America were that wise regarding Hispanics attempting to gain citizenship....

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-requests-to-convert-to-Judaism-rejected-automatically-449987

    I don’t blame the Orthodox for fighting conversions. Very few converts (nominal Jews included) are actually going to be Torah-true. They will not keep shabbos or kasher their homes, so why bother?

  79. @Flip
    So I wonder what a Bantu/Pygmy mix looks like.

    Shorter than the former, taller than the latter.

  80. Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    “Immigration – it’s a dessert topping, and a floor wax!”

    Never change, troll with a thousand names, never change.

    • Replies: @TheJester
    Please, please Svigor! Recognize the difference between trolling and sarcasm ... between hopeless ignorance and biting humor ... between the thesis and the antithesis. Really, at the end of the day, enjoy the joke! We are privileged to have this level of sagacious dialogue in the Unz Review. I have found it nowhere else.
  81. @Priss Factor
    Bambooty?

    What you talkin' about, Jeffrey Gettlemen?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxFbbF8b2m8

    “Bambooty?

    What you talkin’ about, Jeffrey Gettlemen?”

    If Gary Coleman was alive today, I think he would have been on Team Trump. He was a lifelong Republican before he passed away.

  82. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Institute-warns-Israel-it-could-lose-Jewish-majority-Recommends-easing-conversion-policy-452751

    “Israel’s authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

    Judaism isn’t a “real” religion, in the sense most westerners hold the concept. Jews discourage, rather than encourage, conversion. Circumcision is probably the most salient jewel in that crown. This is, via the typical leftist inversion process, presented as noble; Jews, unlike some people (Christians but not Muslims I guess) don’t bug people about converting. Sort of like how Anglo-Saxons didn’t bug Jews about joining Anglo-Saxon country clubs. It’s also often presented as sparing the poor goyim from the heavy burden of Jewishness. Maybe Anglo-Saxons should try that one, too.

    It’s nice to see some honesty in print about this.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse and I think that at the time of Christ there was a sizeable number of proselytes (converts into the jewish religion). The periods of influx of new blood are followed by shut doors policies for several centuries afterwards.

    My hunch is that the religious authorities in judaism have always been against the infusion of new blood, as a matter of principle, but that their will gets overriden once in a while, and that they gain back control of the "blood pool" eventually.

    We seem to be living through a period of massive mixing between Jews and elite members of other races and ethnic groups. We don't know if those people will end up remaining Jews, though, so we don't know if we're witnessing massive influx of new blood into the Jewish people or the diffusing of jewish blood into elite non-Jews.
  83. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    That compounds the original problem: the killers and exploiters move around and expand their empire. To expand on Erik S., we need borders and protection for the vulnerable everywhere.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  84. @Svigor
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Institute-warns-Israel-it-could-lose-Jewish-majority-Recommends-easing-conversion-policy-452751

    “Israel’s authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.
     
    Judaism isn't a "real" religion, in the sense most westerners hold the concept. Jews discourage, rather than encourage, conversion. Circumcision is probably the most salient jewel in that crown. This is, via the typical leftist inversion process, presented as noble; Jews, unlike some people (Christians but not Muslims I guess) don't bug people about converting. Sort of like how Anglo-Saxons didn't bug Jews about joining Anglo-Saxon country clubs. It's also often presented as sparing the poor goyim from the heavy burden of Jewishness. Maybe Anglo-Saxons should try that one, too.

    It's nice to see some honesty in print about this.

    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse and I think that at the time of Christ there was a sizeable number of proselytes (converts into the jewish religion). The periods of influx of new blood are followed by shut doors policies for several centuries afterwards.

    My hunch is that the religious authorities in judaism have always been against the infusion of new blood, as a matter of principle, but that their will gets overriden once in a while, and that they gain back control of the “blood pool” eventually.

    We seem to be living through a period of massive mixing between Jews and elite members of other races and ethnic groups. We don’t know if those people will end up remaining Jews, though, so we don’t know if we’re witnessing massive influx of new blood into the Jewish people or the diffusing of jewish blood into elite non-Jews.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse"

    Converted at the point of a sword, as the saying goes:


    "[John] Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans(Edomites). During this campaign Hyrcanus conquered Adora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans to Judaism.[16] This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hyrcanus
    , @syonredux

    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.
     
    Israel seems to be experiencing something akin to that, as they are working to convert the large numbers of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants who have Jewish ancestry* but do not meet the descent -via-the mother standard.


    *For immigration purposes, Israel uses the Nuremberg definition of Jewishness. Anyone with one Jewish grandparent can immigrate to Israel. This means that large percentages of the recent influx of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants are anywhere from 50 to 75% non-Jewish in terms of ancestry.
    , @SPMoore8
    This is assuming that all mixed marriages between Jews and non-Jews involves "elites." That isn't so, as far as I can tell. Many halachic Jews -- that is, mom was Jewish -- marry non-Jews and then just have anonymous white person lives. Some of them are high achievers, most of them are not. Many of the immigrants from the Soviet Union and the post-USSR, whether they came to the US or went to Israel -- had non-Jewish spouses. In many of those cases, using their Jewishness to emigrate was just a way to get the hell out of Dodge. The children of these unions were of course not halachic if mom was not Jewish. That's what this is about.
  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Scientists believe that the few remaining hunter-gatherers living in Central Africa’s vast rain forest were its original inhabitants. Their adherence to tradition has kept them far behind other groups in education and wealth.

    So living a lifestyle identical to that of our distant ancestors has given them outcomes identical to our distant ancestors. Who would have guessed?

  86. Bugg says:

    “Beasts of No Nation” was far and away the most compelling movie of 2015. It featured a huge star in Idris Elba as well as a tremendous performance by a child in the lead. But alas the subject matter, the insane never-ending ethnic wars that are a fact of life in sub-Sahara, was something neither Hollywood nor the MSM wanted anything to do with. How can you be Oscar-worthy without evil white guys as the villains?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I thought it was decent but not great. I don't really think the subject matter was a problem. It received several NAACP nominations and awards. And Canada's "Rebelle", with the same subject matter, received a foreign language Oscar nomination a few years ago.
    , @guest
    Hollywood doesn't have any problem with honoring that subject matter so long as they can blame one of their usual suspects, like the international black market diamond trade in Blood Diamond.
  87. @AndrewR
    “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?”

    -Shillary Rodham

    “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?” – noneconomic social justice instead of economic one.

  88. @ogunsiron
    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse and I think that at the time of Christ there was a sizeable number of proselytes (converts into the jewish religion). The periods of influx of new blood are followed by shut doors policies for several centuries afterwards.

    My hunch is that the religious authorities in judaism have always been against the infusion of new blood, as a matter of principle, but that their will gets overriden once in a while, and that they gain back control of the "blood pool" eventually.

    We seem to be living through a period of massive mixing between Jews and elite members of other races and ethnic groups. We don't know if those people will end up remaining Jews, though, so we don't know if we're witnessing massive influx of new blood into the Jewish people or the diffusing of jewish blood into elite non-Jews.

    “Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse”

    Converted at the point of a sword, as the saying goes:

    “[John] Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans(Edomites). During this campaign Hyrcanus conquered Adora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans to Judaism.[16] This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hyrcanus

  89. @ogunsiron
    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse and I think that at the time of Christ there was a sizeable number of proselytes (converts into the jewish religion). The periods of influx of new blood are followed by shut doors policies for several centuries afterwards.

    My hunch is that the religious authorities in judaism have always been against the infusion of new blood, as a matter of principle, but that their will gets overriden once in a while, and that they gain back control of the "blood pool" eventually.

    We seem to be living through a period of massive mixing between Jews and elite members of other races and ethnic groups. We don't know if those people will end up remaining Jews, though, so we don't know if we're witnessing massive influx of new blood into the Jewish people or the diffusing of jewish blood into elite non-Jews.

    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Israel seems to be experiencing something akin to that, as they are working to convert the large numbers of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants who have Jewish ancestry* but do not meet the descent -via-the mother standard.

    *For immigration purposes, Israel uses the Nuremberg definition of Jewishness. Anyone with one Jewish grandparent can immigrate to Israel. This means that large percentages of the recent influx of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants are anywhere from 50 to 75% non-Jewish in terms of ancestry.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    Possibly the first substantial infusion of Yanmaya and/or finno-ugric blood into the jewish gene pool.
  90. @ogunsiron
    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.

    Idumeans were converted into judaism en masse and I think that at the time of Christ there was a sizeable number of proselytes (converts into the jewish religion). The periods of influx of new blood are followed by shut doors policies for several centuries afterwards.

    My hunch is that the religious authorities in judaism have always been against the infusion of new blood, as a matter of principle, but that their will gets overriden once in a while, and that they gain back control of the "blood pool" eventually.

    We seem to be living through a period of massive mixing between Jews and elite members of other races and ethnic groups. We don't know if those people will end up remaining Jews, though, so we don't know if we're witnessing massive influx of new blood into the Jewish people or the diffusing of jewish blood into elite non-Jews.

    This is assuming that all mixed marriages between Jews and non-Jews involves “elites.” That isn’t so, as far as I can tell. Many halachic Jews — that is, mom was Jewish — marry non-Jews and then just have anonymous white person lives. Some of them are high achievers, most of them are not. Many of the immigrants from the Soviet Union and the post-USSR, whether they came to the US or went to Israel — had non-Jewish spouses. In many of those cases, using their Jewishness to emigrate was just a way to get the hell out of Dodge. The children of these unions were of course not halachic if mom was not Jewish. That’s what this is about.

  91. I don’t blame the Orthodox for fighting conversions. Very few converts (nominal Jews included) are actually going to be Torah-true. They will not keep shabbos or kasher their homes, so why bother?

    Seems like Albert Einstein wasn’t Torah-true. Do the Orthodox reject his Jewishness?

  92. Mobutu Seko was an awfully corrupt leader, probably ranks right at the top of all time, but for all his faults having a strong man run Congo is preferable to what there is now. An African strongman is really what is needed in land like Congo.

  93. Glossy says: • Website

    There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child’s play compared to what’s been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world’s perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child’s play compared to what’s been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world’s perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good."

    Dunno. The approx 40 million deaths that Genghis Khan racked up isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for autocracy:

    Colin McEvedy, Atlas of World Population History (1978):
    China Proper: In the text, he states that the population declined by 35 million as the Mongols reduced the country to subjugation during the 13th Century. In the Chart, the population drops from 115M to 85M between 1200 and 1300 CE. (p.172)
    Iran: Charted population declined from 5.0M to 3.5M
    Afghanistan: from 2.50M to 1.75M
    Russia-in-Europe: 7.5M to 7M

    Nor, for that matter, is the reign of Shaka Zulu:

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000

    Eugene Walter, Terror and Resistance (1969) cites the following, but admits it might be lower:
    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka's wars.

    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000

    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”

    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him"

    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)

    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 ("At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated" the interior.)

    Hanson, Carnage and Culture, p. 313: "Shaka ... slaughtered 50,000 of his enemies in battle.... As many as 1 million native Africans had been killed and starved to death as a direct result of Shaka's imperial dreams."

    And then there's the massacre of the Dzungar (1755–1758) at the hands of the Qing dynasty: Approx 600,000 deaths

    etc, etc, etc
    , @bomag
    What's in a name?

    Any political system in the Congo is going to be fraught with the usual; I doubt they will be going all Scandinavian on each other if we just jigger the politics some certain way.
    , @Triumph104
    The Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC and formerly Zaire) and Congo (Republic of the Congo) are two separate countries and have been since independence in 1960. It is distressing that the New York Times is using both countries' names interchangeably.
  94. Are articles like this meant as precursors to an artificially created public demand for so-called ‘humanitarian intervention’? The Chinese are in Africa, better get going before they beat us out. The people there need and want us, they’ll throw rose petals our way.

    • Replies: @anon
    They often are but writing about pygmies may also be a precursor to the Out of Africa theory getting blown up.
  95. @biz
    OT: Sailer-bait - "Why has there been an exodus of black residents from West Coast liberal hubs?"

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0501-renn-reverse-great-migration-20160501-story.html


    It is tangential to the overall piece, but the author makes a claim that Minneapolis is attracting black residents in recent years, based on some demographic stats. The fact that these are probably largely Somali immigrants goes unsaid.

    Isn’t this just the dimwitted liberal’s take on classic Sailer real estate reporting?

    http://takimag.com/article/the_san_fran_whitening_plan_steve_sailer/print

    http://takimag.com/article/wasted_advantages_steve_sailer/print

    Dimwitted LA Times: cities’ puzzling “failure to attract” blacks

    Definitive Sailer explanation: savvy cities actively repelling blacks

    This is why I hardly bother with reading the liberal prestige press anymore. The effort required to untangle their stupidity is just better used elsewhere.

    And yes, Minneapolis is probably “attracting” (i.e., getting dumped with) Somalis, which they will eventually regret.

  96. @syonredux

    I think that they go through short periods of proselytizing fervor, though.
     
    Israel seems to be experiencing something akin to that, as they are working to convert the large numbers of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants who have Jewish ancestry* but do not meet the descent -via-the mother standard.


    *For immigration purposes, Israel uses the Nuremberg definition of Jewishness. Anyone with one Jewish grandparent can immigrate to Israel. This means that large percentages of the recent influx of Russian/Ukrainian immigrants are anywhere from 50 to 75% non-Jewish in terms of ancestry.

    Possibly the first substantial infusion of Yanmaya and/or finno-ugric blood into the jewish gene pool.

  97. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Related. Now we know that the Etruscans were our moral superiors:

    Etruscan women participated in athletic events, drank wine, socialized publicly with men, and even learned the art of war. Often, they participated in athletic events naked, just the way men did at the time, riding horses and throwing spears bare-breasted. In ancient Greece, commentators called Etruscan women slutty, and considered it morally reprehensible that they were allowed to drink and talk with men other than their husbands. In Greece and Rome, women were rarely permitted to drink, nor did they eat with men.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/rare-example-of-lost-language-found-on-stone-hidden-2500-years-ago/

    Oh wait. Maybe they used women in battle against the Romans. That wasn’t smart.

  98. @Bugg
    "Beasts of No Nation" was far and away the most compelling movie of 2015. It featured a huge star in Idris Elba as well as a tremendous performance by a child in the lead. But alas the subject matter, the insane never-ending ethnic wars that are a fact of life in sub-Sahara, was something neither Hollywood nor the MSM wanted anything to do with. How can you be Oscar-worthy without evil white guys as the villains?

    I thought it was decent but not great. I don’t really think the subject matter was a problem. It received several NAACP nominations and awards. And Canada’s “Rebelle”, with the same subject matter, received a foreign language Oscar nomination a few years ago.

  99. @jesse helms think-alike
    Violence is the Congo has been going on for far longer than since the 90's.

    Nobel laureate VS Naipaul 1975 book A Bend in the River describes Congo violence during the time of Mobutu. The very entertaining movie Dark of the Sun with Rod Taylor and Jim Brown also showcases violence in the Congo. Filmed in 1968 but dealing with the fall of Belgian rule in the early 60's. By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. And of course Joseph Conrad's 1899 Heart of Darkness also describes gruesome violence in the same region. In future centuries if mankind preserves the ability to read and write there will be further books describing violence in this region

    “By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. ”

    ROFL, I think…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. ”

    ROFL, I think…
     
    Haiti may not have worked for Haitians under Papa Doc, but it seemed to work for foreign film crews.

    What is the Creole for "the smack of firm government"?
  100. @Glossy
    There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child's play compared to what's been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world's perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good.

    “There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child’s play compared to what’s been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world’s perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good.”

    Dunno. The approx 40 million deaths that Genghis Khan racked up isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement for autocracy:

    Colin McEvedy, Atlas of World Population History (1978):
    China Proper: In the text, he states that the population declined by 35 million as the Mongols reduced the country to subjugation during the 13th Century. In the Chart, the population drops from 115M to 85M between 1200 and 1300 CE. (p.172)
    Iran: Charted population declined from 5.0M to 3.5M
    Afghanistan: from 2.50M to 1.75M
    Russia-in-Europe: 7.5M to 7M

    Nor, for that matter, is the reign of Shaka Zulu:

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000

    Eugene Walter, Terror and Resistance (1969) cites the following, but admits it might be lower:
    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka’s wars.

    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000

    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”

    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him”

    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)

    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 (“At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated” the interior.)

    Hanson, Carnage and Culture, p. 313: “Shaka … slaughtered 50,000 of his enemies in battle…. As many as 1 million native Africans had been killed and starved to death as a direct result of Shaka’s imperial dreams.”

    And then there’s the massacre of the Dzungar (1755–1758) at the hands of the Qing dynasty: Approx 600,000 deaths

    etc, etc, etc

  101. @jesse helms think-alike
    Violence is the Congo has been going on for far longer than since the 90's.

    Nobel laureate VS Naipaul 1975 book A Bend in the River describes Congo violence during the time of Mobutu. The very entertaining movie Dark of the Sun with Rod Taylor and Jim Brown also showcases violence in the Congo. Filmed in 1968 but dealing with the fall of Belgian rule in the early 60's. By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. And of course Joseph Conrad's 1899 Heart of Darkness also describes gruesome violence in the same region. In future centuries if mankind preserves the ability to read and write there will be further books describing violence in this region

    How did the NY Times avoid blaming the conflict in part on Climate Change?

  102. @AndrewR
    Yeah when did "the blacks" become so Crimethink? I had an acquaintance from Seattle who got his panties in a twist when I asked my historian friend a question about "the blacks" in Georgia after the war. I asked him if he would have preferred I said "the negros" or "the coloreds."

    I belive the phrase you were looking for is “African American community”. We’re all prosperous now, and we can afford the top shelf words.

  103. Arturo says: • Website

    Hello Mr. Sailer :

    Slightly off topic but this is somewhat interesting :

    The author of the article you link to about nets used to hunt antelope, has the same name of the New Zealand helicopter pilot who died along with six Italian tourists over the Hudson in August 2009. I know because the pilot Jeremy Clark flew me and a French tv crew over the Statue of Liberty in February 2009.

    …/…

    In other news : for you and your readers : if you have been looking at the protests going on in the streets of Paris today Sunday May 1st, you will have seen that the “youth” there are getting a lot more violent in their confrontations with police.

    One French cop is between life and death right now, having been struck with a pavé.

    Here is my solution for how France must in future deal with increasingly violent protesters, as told to MG at the wonderful those who can see :

    …/…

    Hello MG:

    I am sick to my stomach after watching a few hours of video taken today in Paris at some of the anti-Labor reform law demonstrations.

    This stuff is definitely getting a lot lot more violent and serious.

    The “casseurs” that smash Store windows for no reason, and throw dangerously large clumps of asphalt at the cops, makes my head absolutely spin.

    Just the idea of these assholes tearing up beautiful cobblestone streets and causing disgusting toxic smoke by burning garbage bins, really pisses me off.

    …/…

    One thing you will always always see when these protests turn violent, is the “racaille” throwing tear gas canisters back at the cops.

    Therefore: I have a very serious idea for an effective police counter-measure to deal with France’s increasingly volatile CPF :

    ANTI-RACAILLE PROPOSITION NUMBER ONE :
    Develop then Introduce a tear gas canister that contains a timer, a motion detector, and an explosive like the ones used to inflate airbags.

    Here is how it would work:

    After being conventionally fired into a crowd of rampaging CPFs, once inert it would arm itself and become volatile for a two minute period. So that when Abdul or Ali or Mohammed tries to kick it back into the police lines, it would explode.

    I think this is a patentable concept, I am serious.

    Do you happen to know any people in high places in France to whom the concept could be pitched? (I for one have a reasonably open communications line with Bernard Debré.)

    ANTI-RACAILLE PROPOSITION NUMBER TWO :
    Since it is abundantly obvious that these protesters are becoming a LOT more brazen and violent – a result no doubt of supine French police engagement policies – I believe that a radical change in strategy is required.

    My idea would be to use crisis actors in this policy change.

    Here’s how it would work:

    The day before any large planned demonstration, the police would announce that the use of live ammo would be authorized if the police were to again come under attack with any kind of deadly weapon (and yes, a Parisian street pavé is most definitely a deadly weapon).

    Here’s the genius part behind this idea: during the actual demonstration, the authorities would have several plainclothes infiltrators in the crowd. When the police begin to fire what the crowd thinks is live ammo (they would in fact be using special high-decibel blanks) a couple of strategically-placed police crisis actors would fall to the ground pretending to be struck, maybe even using some Hollywood-style fake blood in a balloon.

    This would immediately cause the violent protesters to drop their cobblestones and flee, scurrying back to their government-paid housing in the banlieues that they have turned into no-go zones. (Wouldn’t it be great if we could call them “no-come” zones instead?).

    Note: implemented correctly, this policy would only have to be used once or twice, before it sank in to the economy-sized brains of France’s angry 18 to 30-year-old ghetto yoofs that whitey just ain’t putting up with this shit any more.

    Please also note : this policy shift (live ammo) would work best in the aftermath of a fatality among the police. It looks like there is a CRS officer (the one with the white hair unresponsive on the pavement) who might be about to offer this very scenario (he is between life and death right now, apparently).

    …/…

    MG : It is clear that something has to give, and pretty soon. And you and I both know what that means : Europeans have to re-take possession of their nations and their identity.

    Please let me know what you think. I am serious when I say that I think these two concepts (one-way tear gas, crisis actors amid “live” ammo) are not only doable, but necessary (especially the first one).

    …/…

  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Borachio
    As a former Washington, DC newspaper reporter, I'll tell you why New York Times and other mainstream media articles often have an inverted structure with the most important information at the end.

    The way you get to be the editor of a big mainstream news outlet is not by being a good journalist, but by being a good corporate politician. If you care too much about publishing the truth, you will get into trouble and won't be promoted.

    On the other hand, many people still go into journalism because they care about truth, want to discover it, and want to tell the public about it. Unless you were a reporter, you would not believe how much some reporters agonize about how to write news stories that are accurate, professional, and also truthful.

    What do you do if you interview some government muckity-muck and you know he's lying through his teeth? As a reporter, you may not inject yourself and your opinions into a news article. Normally, you try to get balancing statements from someone else, then let the readers make up their own minds, as a reporter should.

    A variation occurs when your article touches official dogma that you know is a pack of lies. Want to know my favorite? You won't like this example, and maybe you're right, but I do: At the very end of several New York Times articles about the 9/11 attacks, I've seen lines that contradict the rest of the article. One article about NIST's explanation (impact, fire, and heat) for the WTC towers' collapse ended with a line that no similar structure had ever collapsed due to airplane impact, fire, or heat. The reporter knew the NIST report was bunk. But he also knew that the editor would never allow that in the article. So the reporter buried the most important part of the article at the end, hoping that the editor wouldn't read that far. And he was right.

    “One article about NIST’s explanation (impact, fire, and heat) for the WTC towers’ collapse ended with a line that no similar structure had ever collapsed due to airplane impact, fire, or heat. The reporter knew the NIST report was bunk. But he also knew that the editor would never allow that in the article. So the reporter buried the most important part of the article at the end, hoping that the editor wouldn’t read that far. And he was right.”

    No the reporter in that case was not trying to contradict the rest of the article or sneaking in something contrary to dogma, slipping it past the editor. It is a simple background fact. You seem to imply that the buildings collapsed because explosives were planted inside…so you are crazy. You read articles like a crazy person and come up with crazy analysis.

  105. Where are the anti-Apartheid crowd when you need them? They neglected the brutal minority rule of Hutus by Tutsis, which was contemporaneous with Apartheid, and was enforced by massacres. They show equal indifference to the enslavement of Pygmies by Bantu.

  106. @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

    The smug style in American liberalism

    The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts.

    If they don't (and they won't, no matter how much of your Facts you make them consume), you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts.

    Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that they consider how the issues they actually fight for have drifted away from their egalitarian intentions. I am suggesting that they notice how hating and ridiculing the people they say they want to help has led them to stop helping those people, too.

    ...So long as liberals cannot find common cause with the larger section of the American working class, they will search for reasons to justify that failure. They will resent them. They will find, over and over, how easy it is to justify abandoning them further. They will choose the smug style.
     

    When a powerful liberal white democrat loses to an illiberal but left wing politician who looks like Manuel Noriega, and when a wealth tax is passed – (The Ernesto Che Guevara Memorial Funding Act) – then they will lose their smugness.

  107. @utu
    "The smug style in American liberalism" - This is a very good article. Not sure where its author, Emmett Rensin, is coming from, but the descriptive part is very good. He does not go into the causes.

    Not sure where its author, Emmett Rensin, is coming from…

    With that name, it sounds like he’s coming from the cooler in the cheese factory.

    Is there a cheese peppered with ants?

  108. @Svigor

    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.
     
    "Immigration - it's a dessert topping, and a floor wax!"

    Never change, troll with a thousand names, never change.

    Please, please Svigor! Recognize the difference between trolling and sarcasm … between hopeless ignorance and biting humor … between the thesis and the antithesis. Really, at the end of the day, enjoy the joke! We are privileged to have this level of sagacious dialogue in the Unz Review. I have found it nowhere else.

  109. @kihowi
    The pygmy goes "it's our first war". How does he know? They don't write history. I bet they're in wars all the time.

    The pygmy goes “it’s our first war”. How does he know? They don’t write history. I bet they’re in wars all the time.

    In a language that reportedly has words for only one, two or three, they must restart the count after every third war.

  110. @Cracker
    "By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. "

    ROFL, I think...

    “By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. ”

    ROFL, I think…

    Haiti may not have worked for Haitians under Papa Doc, but it seemed to work for foreign film crews.

    What is the Creole for “the smack of firm government”?

  111. @Glossy
    There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child's play compared to what's been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world's perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good.

    What’s in a name?

    Any political system in the Congo is going to be fraught with the usual; I doubt they will be going all Scandinavian on each other if we just jigger the politics some certain way.

  112. @Jimbo in OPKS
    Am I the only person that thought of ABC's Poison Arrow when they read this? Yes, I'm shallow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Arrow

    Am I the only person that thought of ABC’s Poison Arrow when they read this? Yes, I’m shallow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Arrow

    In keeping with the Sailer’s tradition of liberal use of video in the comments section, as well as his oft demonstrated knowledge of ’80s new wave, the below is my humble addendum to your very pertinent post.

  113. @Bugg
    "Beasts of No Nation" was far and away the most compelling movie of 2015. It featured a huge star in Idris Elba as well as a tremendous performance by a child in the lead. But alas the subject matter, the insane never-ending ethnic wars that are a fact of life in sub-Sahara, was something neither Hollywood nor the MSM wanted anything to do with. How can you be Oscar-worthy without evil white guys as the villains?

    Hollywood doesn’t have any problem with honoring that subject matter so long as they can blame one of their usual suspects, like the international black market diamond trade in Blood Diamond.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I noted that the trade in so-called "blood diamonds" or "conflict diamonds" popped up as a recurring meme in the last decade. It even featured as a plot device in an episode of "Law and Order" - a predictable barometer of respectable liberal opinion. Of course, stamping out the "illegal trade" in diamonds is very much in the interest of the DeBeers diamond cartel (which is perfectly legal and normal in case anyone doubted it), which goes to great lengths to maintain its' monopoly and to make people believe that the product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap.
  114. @AndrewR
    http://www.salon.com/2016/04/30/we_must_shame_dumb_trump_fans_the_white_working_class_are_not_victims/

    tl;dr: white people are evil

    indeed, quote:

    It is much wiser and more moral to politically destroy the enemies of liberalism, especially those who are hell-bent on preaching dislike of people they don’t know, and obstructing the progression of America into a more peaceful, just, and – yes – loving society.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Hate is love. War is peace. Atrocity is justice. Aliens are family.
  115. A brave and compassionate American has devoted his life to helping a small tribe of Pygmies secure their land (which Bantu steal) and dig water wells, and bring attention to their plight.

    You know, a neocolonial, culture appropriating Cis.

    http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/justin-wren-big-pygmy-mma/

  116. @anonymous
    Are articles like this meant as precursors to an artificially created public demand for so-called 'humanitarian intervention'? The Chinese are in Africa, better get going before they beat us out. The people there need and want us, they'll throw rose petals our way.

    They often are but writing about pygmies may also be a precursor to the Out of Africa theory getting blown up.

  117. @theo the kraut
    indeed, quote:

    It is much wiser and more moral to politically destroy the enemies of liberalism, especially those who are hell-bent on preaching dislike of people they don’t know, and obstructing the progression of America into a more peaceful, just, and – yes – loving society.
     

    Hate is love. War is peace. Atrocity is justice. Aliens are family.

  118. @Verymuchalive
    I take it you are being sarcastic. Bantus have been exterminating the indigenous peoples of Southern Africa ( Pygmy, Bushmen and Hottentots ) since shortly after they left Cameroon about 400 BC and headed south. If it weren't for the Afrikaaners and European Colonialists generally, there wouldn't be indigenous people left.
    By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities.
    Now, even in Botswana, once regarded as their safest sanctuary, the end seems in sight for Bushmen.

    “By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities.”

    Yes, we know, the “Invade The World, Invite The World” philosophy embraced by European colonizers, for God, glory, and gold, has worked out so well for whites today. All for progress.

    White authorities “reasonably well protected” their black and brown underlings primarily to maintain the flow of natural resources to European nations.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    The British Empire did not have an "invade the world, invite the world" attitude to its colonies. Non-white immigration into Britain only occurred from the 1950's onwards, after most of the important colonies had left and the rest of the empire was being dissolved.
    The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations. By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples.
    Please stick to the facts. Your arguments have no grounding in historical reality.
  119. “Why didn’t Gettleman tell us upfront that this article is about pygmies?”
    “Poor Gettleman goes all the way to the Katanga province of the Congo to get this great story about a pygmy rebellion…”



    Actually, the article is about a nation torn by war by factionalized groups who continue to embrace their cultural traditions.

    “Pygmies hunt the tiny dik-dik antelope with nets.”



    Primitive in regards to “western” technology? Yes. But in the end, how does it matter to anyone personally if they hunt with nets or if we buy food at a store? More Coalition of the Right nonsense.

    “Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth, but nobody is sure if it’s respectable to talk about physical diversity among Africans.”

    

Anthropologists talk about the physical diversity among Africans. It’s just that when those characteristics are used by race baiters, left and right, to pursue their agenda, then it becomes unrespectable.

    
“Isn’t it obviously self-defeating to downplay the main thing about this story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti — that they are pygmies?”

    No, Steve, YOU are making the case that the main thing about the story is the fact that they are pygmies.

    “Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term.”

    
How is their cultural practice any different than those who advocate Christian patriarchy? Why should not American fathers even today find an upstanding young man for their daughters, since we all know that women in general lack the capacity to decide for themselves a suitable suitor?

    
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/my-life-as-a-daughter-of-christian-patriarchy/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    If you don't want to be seen as no more than a blathering incontinent troll at least take the care not to make elementary errors. You are just plain wrong - and it didn't take diligent proof reading to spot it - when you say "No, Steve, YOU are making the case that the main thing about the story is the fact that they are pygmies".

    I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.

  120. @Flip
    So I wonder what a Bantu/Pygmy mix looks like.

    Is a Pygmy woman’s pelvis even capable of birthing the product of a Bantu/Pygmy mix?

  121. @guest
    Hollywood doesn't have any problem with honoring that subject matter so long as they can blame one of their usual suspects, like the international black market diamond trade in Blood Diamond.

    I noted that the trade in so-called “blood diamonds” or “conflict diamonds” popped up as a recurring meme in the last decade. It even featured as a plot device in an episode of “Law and Order” – a predictable barometer of respectable liberal opinion. Of course, stamping out the “illegal trade” in diamonds is very much in the interest of the DeBeers diamond cartel (which is perfectly legal and normal in case anyone doubted it), which goes to great lengths to maintain its’ monopoly and to make people believe that the product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There's no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically.
    , @Sailer has an interesting life
    You try to convince that your blather is valid and worth listening to. It is utter garbage.
  122. This brings to mind what I’ve read before about hunter-gatherers (eg pygmies) being more peaceful than pastoralists or herders (eg Bantus)

  123. “Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth…”

    And yet whites are far more diverse in ways that really matter. Blacks are more physically diverse?

  124. Steve can you have an open thread for Jewish genealogy so all the people obsessed with this shit can have somewhere to sperg out about it??

  125. Shades of the Indonesian Hobbits whose remains were discovered a decade ago.

    They were only just over three foot high – so I have a sneaking suspicion how they became extinct.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Best part of the article is where the Tolkien Estate forbade a scientist from using the word "hobbit" when promoting a lecture on this species. Intellectual property, and all that.
  126. @Bill B.
    Shades of the Indonesian Hobbits whose remains were discovered a decade ago.

    They were only just over three foot high - so I have a sneaking suspicion how they became extinct.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

    Best part of the article is where the Tolkien Estate forbade a scientist from using the word “hobbit” when promoting a lecture on this species. Intellectual property, and all that.

  127. @dearieme
    "People in the Congo hacking each other up has been going on since the 1990s at least." Or the Bronze Age, whichever came first.

    I doubt they had a bronze age in the Congo.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They did in Benin:
  128. @EvolutionistX
    I doubt they had a bronze age in the Congo.

    They did in Benin:

    • Replies: @anon
    It's weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.
  129. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    Opportunity and free movement? Oh that’s funny

  130. Luckily Broadway gets right to the point; no beating around the bush for them, unlike those sissies at the NYT. From the song “Small Talk” (heh) in The Pajama Game:

    Read in a book the other day that halibut spawn in early May
    and horses whinney and donkeys bray
    and furthermore
    the pigmy tribes in Africa may have a war.

    Here’s Doris Day and John Raitt in the movie version. Watch it quick before it gets taken down for gratuitous use of the “p” word. (Comes in around 1:50.)

  131. @Steve Sailer
    They did in Benin:

    It’s weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    It’s weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.
     
    They're just not glamorous enough.
  132. donut says:

    The Unz Review isn’t on my saved pages . I used to just go to Yahoo or Google to search it and all I had to d was hit “T’ and it would pop up . Now I have to type the whole name in . Wass” up with that ? ???

  133. @Mr. Anon
    I noted that the trade in so-called "blood diamonds" or "conflict diamonds" popped up as a recurring meme in the last decade. It even featured as a plot device in an episode of "Law and Order" - a predictable barometer of respectable liberal opinion. Of course, stamping out the "illegal trade" in diamonds is very much in the interest of the DeBeers diamond cartel (which is perfectly legal and normal in case anyone doubted it), which goes to great lengths to maintain its' monopoly and to make people believe that the product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap.

    Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There’s no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There’s no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically."

    No, your claim is nonsense. Diamonds are not rare. Are they rarer than rocks? Sure. Are they as rare and precious and jewelers claim? No. Here's a hint - try to sell a diamond back to the jeweler. See how much you get for it. What would be the market for diamonds if not for the aggressive marketing of DeBeers and retail jewelers?

    DeBeers controls about 35% of the rough diamond market, and presumably a substantially larger fraction of the gem diamond market. They have colluded with other diamond producers (including, at least in the past, the Soviet Union) to fix prices - i.e. to engage in monopolistic practices. That is why they have paid numerous court settlements finding against them for price fixing. Because they engage in price fixing.

    Why are you so invested in this issue anyway? Is your livelihood somehow tied up in propping up the decietful position of DeBeers?

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  134. Is it possible pygmies have, rather suddenly, become smarter or more aware?

    • Replies: @BB753
    It must be the Flynn Effect that's finally hit them.
    , @anon
    I was wondering that.
  135. The uncontacted type savage tribes seem to me the most difficult thing for the SJW types to even admit exist. Whether the South American Indians in the Amazon basin, the deep forest Congo pygmies, the Andamanese, or the New Guinea aborigines, these people are clearly on the extreme ends of the human family tree and any claim that “race is just a social construct” is obviously absurd nonsense. The fact that these people are still Stone Age hunter-gatherers without written language or any technology (some do have bow/arrow but it’s not clear if it was independently developed or introduced by another culture) while Western Europeans are playing with super conducting super colliders, making sense of quantum physics and gravitational waves, and planning colonies on Mars, this all makes the SJW head explode. And so what is to me the most extreme example of HBD and has potential to teach us fascinating things about human evolution and speciation is instead as ignored as anything in science can possibly be. Mainstream science appears to wish these already obscure people would simply and very quietly just go extinct like so many others have before them. What is the modern world to do really with 4′ tall adults who have an average IQ of perhaps 60? To really study them is to admit HBD exists and perhaps teach us where the demarcation lies between race, sub-species, and species. In other words, it would simply explode a century worth of egalitarian propaganda. So the only surprise in this NYT article is that it was published at all.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, I have to totally agree with your comment. I don't know how old you are but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth. They are now never shown on TV or at the movies.
  136. @Anonymous
    Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There's no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically.

    “Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There’s no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically.”

    No, your claim is nonsense. Diamonds are not rare. Are they rarer than rocks? Sure. Are they as rare and precious and jewelers claim? No. Here’s a hint – try to sell a diamond back to the jeweler. See how much you get for it. What would be the market for diamonds if not for the aggressive marketing of DeBeers and retail jewelers?

    DeBeers controls about 35% of the rough diamond market, and presumably a substantially larger fraction of the gem diamond market. They have colluded with other diamond producers (including, at least in the past, the Soviet Union) to fix prices – i.e. to engage in monopolistic practices. That is why they have paid numerous court settlements finding against them for price fixing. Because they engage in price fixing.

    Why are you so invested in this issue anyway? Is your livelihood somehow tied up in propping up the decietful position of DeBeers?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem.

    Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers. Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits. Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn't cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits. (Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)

    I’m making this argument not because I am connected to DeBeers but to point out how typical you are of iSteve readers. You don't know a whole lot about how business works but that doesn't keep you from thinking you have special analytical powers for seeing how things really work.

    A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor.

    But as you can see here you don’t know much, but you have a lot of smug attitude.
  137. @Mr. Anon
    I noted that the trade in so-called "blood diamonds" or "conflict diamonds" popped up as a recurring meme in the last decade. It even featured as a plot device in an episode of "Law and Order" - a predictable barometer of respectable liberal opinion. Of course, stamping out the "illegal trade" in diamonds is very much in the interest of the DeBeers diamond cartel (which is perfectly legal and normal in case anyone doubted it), which goes to great lengths to maintain its' monopoly and to make people believe that the product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap.

    You try to convince that your blather is valid and worth listening to. It is utter garbage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    You write alternately like a nitwit or a lunatic. So which are you?
  138. @Anonymous
    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    Just another depressing conflict brought about by European colonialism and exploitation. What we did can never be undone but we can help these people by allowing for free movement and opportunity.

    The infection runs deep in you doesn’t it? Like “The Force” it is. White Guilt is the underlying firmament of reality. Where most whites would stop with a condemnation of King Leopold, for you it is all “European colonialism” and “we” remain responsible for tribal and racial conflicts in the most primitive and savage corner of the planet.

    Do you imagine that before Stanley the various Bantu, Pygmy, and other populations just lived in blissful harmony with nature? Did the missionaries introduce cannibalism to the Congo? Was Stanley secretly down there on a mission to steal the Congolese’ vast store of scientific and literary achievement while infecting the natives with previously unknown conflicts over females and resources?

    Some of this is undoubtedly the result of disingenuous language used by the NYT and others. They use words normally referencing aspects of western civilization to describe the Pygmy vs Bantu conflict with the intent no doubt being conflation of the Stone Age culture and modern western culture. Things like this:

    Analysts point to long-simmering conflicts between the Bambote and the Luba over issues like land rights and labor practices.

    “Analysts”? Really? These people have no written language even today. “Labor practices”? Really? Kidnapping, slavery, sexual slavery, human butchery and use of body parts and organs as foodstuffs and magic potions are “labor practices”? The reality of how these populations actually live is incomprehensible to most westerners. Sugar-coating the reality with flowery description is a large part of the problem. But it’s critical to The Narrative that we never acknowledge how Europe has worked for centuries to try and bring civilization to this part of the world. We must never notice the unbelievable barbarity that still exists today and blame any reality that slips through on those evil european colonizers.

    • Agree: BB753
  139. @biz
    OT: Sailer-bait - "Why has there been an exodus of black residents from West Coast liberal hubs?"

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0501-renn-reverse-great-migration-20160501-story.html


    It is tangential to the overall piece, but the author makes a claim that Minneapolis is attracting black residents in recent years, based on some demographic stats. The fact that these are probably largely Somali immigrants goes unsaid.

    New York’s and Philadelphia’s black population growth rates are low but positive, in line with slow overall regional growth.

    The New York Times has done articles on the decrease of the black population in the city. Many black New Yorkers are moving to the South. Harlem is no longer majority black. In the last ten years there has been a decrease in the percentage of black children in the public schools. Also, New York has a large immigrant population.

    The New York Post reported that black women in NY have the lowest birthrate and have abortions at a rate of 55 percent. Half of the newborns had a foreign born mother.

    http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    Over four years ago the Seattle Times reported that English-speaking blacks tested worst than Somali and Ethiopian children, so obviously there is a significant black immigrant community.
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/alarming-new-test-score-gap-discovered-in-seattle-schools/

    Miami, with its powerful Latino presence that includes Afro-Latinos, also added about 100,000 blacks (8.3%).

    I guess this guy never heard of Haitians. Very few Afro-Latinos identify as black.

    Nationwide black women have nearly the same fertility rate as white women. But while the white percentage of the population is decreasing, the black percentage has remained steady at 13 percent through immigration.

  140. @Dave Pinsen
    Is it possible pygmies have, rather suddenly, become smarter or more aware?

    It must be the Flynn Effect that’s finally hit them.

  141. @anon
    It's weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.

    It’s weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.

    They’re just not glamorous enough.

    • Replies: @anon
    In media terms yeah but one of the kids I played with from school, his family had a load of bronze statues from West Africa of African knights we used to play war with - not copies of European ones but with their own local armor, weapons etc. You'd think they'd be into that.
  142. I hate the way journalists have forgotten about the inverted pyramid! Now we have to wade through garbage that sets the scene or describes characters and whatever daily tasks they are doing — before we get to the subject of the story!

    We used to be able to get the facts first and determine if we even needed to read further. That was the design of journalistic writing.

    Years ago I read an interview with Walter Cronkite in which he lamented the same thing.

    • Replies: @another fred

    I hate the way journalists have forgotten about the inverted pyramid! Now we have to wade through garbage that sets the scene or describes characters and whatever daily tasks they are doing — before we get to the subject of the story!
     
    Half the time I skip straight to the conclusion to see if the author had something interesting to say before deciding whether to read the article for his arguments or not.
    , @Brutusale
    Funny how the generation with the collective attention span of a gnat needs 1,500 words to get to the point!
  143. @Buzz Mohawk
    I hate the way journalists have forgotten about the inverted pyramid! Now we have to wade through garbage that sets the scene or describes characters and whatever daily tasks they are doing -- before we get to the subject of the story!

    We used to be able to get the facts first and determine if we even needed to read further. That was the design of journalistic writing.

    Years ago I read an interview with Walter Cronkite in which he lamented the same thing.

    I hate the way journalists have forgotten about the inverted pyramid! Now we have to wade through garbage that sets the scene or describes characters and whatever daily tasks they are doing — before we get to the subject of the story!

    Half the time I skip straight to the conclusion to see if the author had something interesting to say before deciding whether to read the article for his arguments or not.

  144. @Glossy
    There are a lot of reasons to dislike democracy, that extraordinarily bloodthirsty goddess. What ISIS has done is child's play compared to what's been done worldwide in the name of democracy. So it warms my heart a little to see such a dark corner of the world as the Congo, which was called Zaire when I was young, called by everyone today the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Let THAT subconsciously color the world's perception of democracy for a while. This could do a tiny bit of good.

    The Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC and formerly Zaire) and Congo (Republic of the Congo) are two separate countries and have been since independence in 1960. It is distressing that the New York Times is using both countries’ names interchangeably.

  145. @Dave Pinsen
    Is it possible pygmies have, rather suddenly, become smarter or more aware?

    I was wondering that.

  146. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    It’s weird the afro-centrists are so focused on Egypt and ignore the civs that developed around the gold mines in west africa.
     
    They're just not glamorous enough.

    In media terms yeah but one of the kids I played with from school, his family had a load of bronze statues from West Africa of African knights we used to play war with – not copies of European ones but with their own local armor, weapons etc. You’d think they’d be into that.

  147. rob says:

    How do adult pygmies size up to bantu children of the same height Or from bantu adults living in the same environment? Surely there’s a table in some old physical anthropology book. How do they compare allometrically? While it hasn’t always worked out well in the long run, how about better-arming the pygmies? Most guns are designed for Westerners of particular heights, limb lengths, hand size, and shape etc. Just scaling guns up and down maybe wouldn’t work very wall. Pygmies might do a lot better with guns designed just for them and for their jungle homelands. As a first guess, barrel lengths and stocks probably need to be altered, calibers, bullet length, powder charge amounts.

    They use bows, so they’re familiar with aiming individual shots for arrow speeds, and not familiar with recoil (so one would guess). One would guess that the Bantus they’re fighting don’t have much in the way of body armor. The pygmies live in the jungle with (one would guess) rather short lines of sight- light, small bullets with small charges would be preferable to the big, heavy bullets, and high recoil AK-47s and their notoriously poor aim.

    One hopes the US will step in somehow to prevent what might otherwise be a genocide of a rare and irreplaceable people.

  148. @jesse helms think-alike
    Violence is the Congo has been going on for far longer than since the 90's.

    Nobel laureate VS Naipaul 1975 book A Bend in the River describes Congo violence during the time of Mobutu. The very entertaining movie Dark of the Sun with Rod Taylor and Jim Brown also showcases violence in the Congo. Filmed in 1968 but dealing with the fall of Belgian rule in the early 60's. By 1968 it was still too dangerous to film on location so the movie has to be made in Haiti. And of course Joseph Conrad's 1899 Heart of Darkness also describes gruesome violence in the same region. In future centuries if mankind preserves the ability to read and write there will be further books describing violence in this region

    Violence in Katanga has been going on since its brief secession in 1960. It broke away from the rest of the newly independent Congo after that state got swamped by rape and army mutiny but only lasted 3 years before the United Nations reintegrated it by violence. There’s a book about it: Katanga 1960-63: Mercenaries, Spies, and the African Nation that Waged War on the World by Christopher Othen. A lot of the problem was ethnic (ie. tribal) violence.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I remember in the late 1970s, Zaire/Congo's Katanga province rebelled again. Mobutu put down the rebellion by staging a photo op at a military airfield with him loading pygmies with poisoned arrows on a transport to go fight the rebels. Apparently, the rebels were terrified of pygmies slipping silently up on them and decided to stop fighting. Or at least that's what I read at the time.
  149. @Stan d Mute
    The uncontacted type savage tribes seem to me the most difficult thing for the SJW types to even admit exist. Whether the South American Indians in the Amazon basin, the deep forest Congo pygmies, the Andamanese, or the New Guinea aborigines, these people are clearly on the extreme ends of the human family tree and any claim that "race is just a social construct" is obviously absurd nonsense. The fact that these people are still Stone Age hunter-gatherers without written language or any technology (some do have bow/arrow but it's not clear if it was independently developed or introduced by another culture) while Western Europeans are playing with super conducting super colliders, making sense of quantum physics and gravitational waves, and planning colonies on Mars, this all makes the SJW head explode. And so what is to me the most extreme example of HBD and has potential to teach us fascinating things about human evolution and speciation is instead as ignored as anything in science can possibly be. Mainstream science appears to wish these already obscure people would simply and very quietly just go extinct like so many others have before them. What is the modern world to do really with 4' tall adults who have an average IQ of perhaps 60? To really study them is to admit HBD exists and perhaps teach us where the demarcation lies between race, sub-species, and species. In other words, it would simply explode a century worth of egalitarian propaganda. So the only surprise in this NYT article is that it was published at all.

    Stan, I have to totally agree with your comment. I don’t know how old you are but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth. They are now never shown on TV or at the movies.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    ...but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth.
     

    Circa 1960, my dad bought a seven volume encyclopedia titled "Lands and Peoples" published by Grolier. I still have the volumes, and it is a view of a world long vanished, and a worldview equally long gone. You can find them on Amazon and eBay at a modest price, and are worth it.

    My dad was a geography enthusiast of an old type and kept his 1920s high school geography textbooks on his bedside bookshelf. His worldview of people and societies was formed by those books and caused him to seek a career that let him work in all continents of the world. He made friends in all varieties of cultures - he found little need to recalibrate that pre-pc, pre-SJW view in order to get along famously. I daresay that his counterparts were equally pragmatic in their views, looking outward from their cultures, and bore no grudge nor grievance.

    He would have been appalled by what he would have considered to be the lack of honesty in today's Western view of cultures and peoples. HBD was a simple fact for those of his time—plain as the nose on your face.

  150. @Damocles, of Sword Fame
    Violence in Katanga has been going on since its brief secession in 1960. It broke away from the rest of the newly independent Congo after that state got swamped by rape and army mutiny but only lasted 3 years before the United Nations reintegrated it by violence. There's a book about it: Katanga 1960-63: Mercenaries, Spies, and the African Nation that Waged War on the World by Christopher Othen. A lot of the problem was ethnic (ie. tribal) violence.

    I remember in the late 1970s, Zaire/Congo’s Katanga province rebelled again. Mobutu put down the rebellion by staging a photo op at a military airfield with him loading pygmies with poisoned arrows on a transport to go fight the rebels. Apparently, the rebels were terrified of pygmies slipping silently up on them and decided to stop fighting. Or at least that’s what I read at the time.

    • Replies: @Matra
    Maybe Mobutu having the help of French troops by that time might've terrified, or at least, deterred the rebels even more.
  151. @Steve Sailer
    I remember in the late 1970s, Zaire/Congo's Katanga province rebelled again. Mobutu put down the rebellion by staging a photo op at a military airfield with him loading pygmies with poisoned arrows on a transport to go fight the rebels. Apparently, the rebels were terrified of pygmies slipping silently up on them and decided to stop fighting. Or at least that's what I read at the time.

    Maybe Mobutu having the help of French troops by that time might’ve terrified, or at least, deterred the rebels even more.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Yep. The French are not squeamish after they have decided what to do.
  152. @Matra
    Maybe Mobutu having the help of French troops by that time might've terrified, or at least, deterred the rebels even more.

    Yep. The French are not squeamish after they have decided what to do.

  153. @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, I have to totally agree with your comment. I don't know how old you are but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth. They are now never shown on TV or at the movies.

    …but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth.

    Circa 1960, my dad bought a seven volume encyclopedia titled “Lands and Peoples” published by Grolier. I still have the volumes, and it is a view of a world long vanished, and a worldview equally long gone. You can find them on Amazon and eBay at a modest price, and are worth it.

    My dad was a geography enthusiast of an old type and kept his 1920s high school geography textbooks on his bedside bookshelf. His worldview of people and societies was formed by those books and caused him to seek a career that let him work in all continents of the world. He made friends in all varieties of cultures – he found little need to recalibrate that pre-pc, pre-SJW view in order to get along famously. I daresay that his counterparts were equally pragmatic in their views, looking outward from their cultures, and bore no grudge nor grievance.

    He would have been appalled by what he would have considered to be the lack of honesty in today’s Western view of cultures and peoples. HBD was a simple fact for those of his time—plain as the nose on your face.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Piltdown, Thank you for your reply. Geography was a favorite subject of my youth. We learned about the diversity of the world's people, but diversity had a different meaning then.
  154. These “people” matter? How? Why? They don’t. There is little reason why.

  155. @Corvinus
    "By the first half of the 20th Century, these peoples were being reasonably well protected by the white authorities."

    Yes, we know, the "Invade The World, Invite The World" philosophy embraced by European colonizers, for God, glory, and gold, has worked out so well for whites today. All for progress.

    White authorities "reasonably well protected" their black and brown underlings primarily to maintain the flow of natural resources to European nations.

    The British Empire did not have an “invade the world, invite the world” attitude to its colonies. Non-white immigration into Britain only occurred from the 1950’s onwards, after most of the important colonies had left and the rest of the empire was being dissolved.
    The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations. By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples.
    Please stick to the facts. Your arguments have no grounding in historical reality.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The British Empire did not have an “invade the world, invite the world” attitude to its colonies."

    Immigration does not have to be "non-white" to "invite the world". The British controlled Thirteen Colonies consisted of the Scotch-Irish, the Irish, the Dutch, the Swedish, and Germans. These groups were still considered "foreigners" by the English due to group differences based on language, religion, and geography. Because of European interactions with Native Americans and Africans in the 1500 and 1600's, Europeans began to merge their distinct ethnic populations into a single "race" to distinguish themselves from other "races".

    Remember, the Irish (and Germans), despite their "invitation" to America by the British, were deemed "undesirable" by nativists in the 1840's and 1850's, as evident by physical depictions of the Irish as being other than white or "less than" white.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=6tw1ZwOnLj0C&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=Harper%27s+Weekly+irish+negro&source=bl&ots=h9F7-ohUIa&sig=CgXJWq_8fDeuUe5uRnYc4LaG8hM&hl=en&ei=W6q_SYCkDsavtwfvqORc&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Harper's%20Weekly%20irish%20negro&f=false

    Of course, black slaves were "invited" to become part of the British Empire. Perhaps that was an unwise decision on those leaders.

    "The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations."

    These groups represented a direct threat to European colonists in securing natural resources. Controlling them meant easier access to those raw materials. As Europeans secured their borders in Africa, there was a vital interest to "protect" such groups from outside influences who would encourage these "uncivilized" people to rebel.

    "By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples."

    Indeed, trust these peoples to not get in the way of European commerce there, trust these peoples to learn how to live "properly", trust these peoples to fight for European interests when needed.
  156. @Verymuchalive
    The British Empire did not have an "invade the world, invite the world" attitude to its colonies. Non-white immigration into Britain only occurred from the 1950's onwards, after most of the important colonies had left and the rest of the empire was being dissolved.
    The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations. By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples.
    Please stick to the facts. Your arguments have no grounding in historical reality.

    “The British Empire did not have an “invade the world, invite the world” attitude to its colonies.”

    Immigration does not have to be “non-white” to “invite the world”. The British controlled Thirteen Colonies consisted of the Scotch-Irish, the Irish, the Dutch, the Swedish, and Germans. These groups were still considered “foreigners” by the English due to group differences based on language, religion, and geography. Because of European interactions with Native Americans and Africans in the 1500 and 1600’s, Europeans began to merge their distinct ethnic populations into a single “race” to distinguish themselves from other “races”.

    Remember, the Irish (and Germans), despite their “invitation” to America by the British, were deemed “undesirable” by nativists in the 1840’s and 1850’s, as evident by physical depictions of the Irish as being other than white or “less than” white.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=6tw1ZwOnLj0C&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=Harper%27s+Weekly+irish+negro&source=bl&ots=h9F7-ohUIa&sig=CgXJWq_8fDeuUe5uRnYc4LaG8hM&hl=en&ei=W6q_SYCkDsavtwfvqORc&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Harper’s%20Weekly%20irish%20negro&f=false

    Of course, black slaves were “invited” to become part of the British Empire. Perhaps that was an unwise decision on those leaders.

    “The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations.”

    These groups represented a direct threat to European colonists in securing natural resources. Controlling them meant easier access to those raw materials. As Europeans secured their borders in Africa, there was a vital interest to “protect” such groups from outside influences who would encourage these “uncivilized” people to rebel.

    “By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples.”

    Indeed, trust these peoples to not get in the way of European commerce there, trust these peoples to learn how to live “properly”, trust these peoples to fight for European interests when needed.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.
    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other - nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant - they weren't British subjects.
    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s )
  157. These warriors of freedom and democracy sound like wonderful moderates. I’m surprised the US has yet to air drop them some TOW missiles and launchers (in the name of freedom, of course).

  158. cynic says:

    Notice how all of this is happening in the ruins of civilization. That cotton factory must have been left over from the Belgian era. Now they’re back to killing and eating each other. The real story is that this sort of nonsense is being imported to the previously civilized world.

    • Agree: BB753
  159. When the Bambote elders confronted the Luba adulterer, he did not apologize. Instead, the elders said, he killed the woman’s husband, setting off a wave of killings between the two communities.

    More proof that black violence is genetic. Another interesting question is why blacks like to be called “African-american”? What is it about Africa that they find appealing? Poverty? Slavery? Famine? Endless war and violence? Tribalism? Aids? Seems to me the best thing that ever happened to them was when other black Africans captured and enslaved their forebears and sold them to Western slaver traders which got them out of the hellhole of Africa.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Seems to me the best thing that ever happened to them was when other black Africans captured and enslaved their forebears and sold them to Western slaver traders which got them out of the hellhole of Africa.
     
    There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa. But also never (ever!) mentioned is the question of whether the slaves themselves were better off. We are given only the Narrative that slavery was universally brutal and the greatest evil (except the Holocaust) in history. But is that true or was the reality much more nuanced? We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America. Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa. And there are contemporary anecdotes about African slaves having it better than poor Southern whites. Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa? And of course the very idea of slavery, of owning humans, is fundamentally evil - but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it. But again, just as we cannot think honestly about HBD, we mustn't ever think honestly about Africans in America.
    , @Corvinus
    woodNfish...

    “More proof that black violence is genetic...”

    Actually, it’s tribal warfare violence between competing groups, similar to Europeans vying for control. Human beings are prone to violence.

    
Stan d Mute...

    “There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa.”

    

Actually, those who remained in Africa were free to pursue their own endeavors. That freedom did not exist in America for slaves. Why are you an opponent of liberty?

    “We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America...”



    The deciding factor was that Africans were ripped from their homelands. More proof that white violence is genetic :)

    ““Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa.”

    According to Western standards. But I’m fairly certain that Africans were content with living how they saw fit in a manner they had control over.

    “Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa?

    

Evil is evil.

    “but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it.”

    If white Englishmen were so morally superior, why did they engage in slavery in the first place? And what made them stop? Was it American northerners in particular?
  160. the obscure little wars that this country seems to have a talent for producing.

    So, if Grey Lady-ians are talking about the Congo, a “country” is metonymy for a genetically common people, and that’s OK.

    And it can be suggested that the “country,” i.e., the people, “have a talent” (odd but telling way to pearl-finger the population genetics) for “producing” “little” “wars.”

    Damn, gotta fire up my Derridean Quotemark Factory for another run of air-hooks to sustain all this increasingly sinking PC balloonery.

    The fabric of denial trends threadbare indeed.

    Speaking of fiber, Cynic notes, above:

    That cotton factory must have been left over from the Belgian era. Now they’re back to killing and eating each other.

    The ruins of that factory are obviously emitting toxic clouds and waves of White Privilege that are polluting the locals by co-opting their previously highly evolved indigenous use of Malvaceae cellulose fibers.

    This leads to the Terrible Legacy of Slavery being evoked, and something something something black lives matter microaggression disparate impact something something.

    Ergo they have no choice but to kill and eat each other, and after all, isn’t that EXACTLY THE SAME as Christianity, which worships a zombie cannibal something something and is all White Privileged CisNormative Imperialist something something?

    But now we must look to the future!

    To hell with cotton factories! We must build Nigeria a space program! So the amazing STEM cargo cult can arise and flow like an Ebola pandemic, astonishing the world with its indigenous African magnificence!

  161. Talha says:
    @jesse helms think-alike
    Actually ISIS beheadings quite literally obey the words of the Koran .

    verse 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks...

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.

    I recall one incident years ago when the it was revealed that the bomber has asked his mother permission to go on jihad. There was much tittering in the media over that. Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.

    If I may…

    Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.

    With all due respect, hadith actually, please check your sources. The rights of the parents are paramount (emphasized again and again, right after ‘Worship God’) – something forgotten in this day and age.

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.

    While I can’t stand the Daesh takfiris and their ilk and I do agree they are very literalist in their interpretations of source texts…lopping off heads is not their exclusive monopoly. Chopping off heads and placing them on pikes (or otherwise displaying them) was pretty much universally practiced by everyone in pre-modern times (Saxons, Normans, Mayans, Chinese, etc.) – even post Revolution France. Has much more to do with the sheer shock (and deterrence) effect of it than anything else.

    Best to you and yours and your parents.

  162. @jesse helms think-alike
    Actually ISIS beheadings quite literally obey the words of the Koran .

    verse 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks...

    Many seemingly odd behaviors of the jihadis are explained by their strict adherence to the Quran.

    I recall one incident years ago when the it was revealed that the bomber has asked his mother permission to go on jihad. There was much tittering in the media over that. Actually it a Koranic requirement that the would be jihadi ask permission of his parents especially if they depend on him in some way.

    The ISIS beheading videos, starring the likes of Jihadi John and Jihadi Joseph, are all fake.

    Is that also mandated by the Koran?

  163. ” Reporters were weirdly leery of mentioning that the Dinkas and Nuers are really tall.”

    They’re not?

    I think you’re holding on too much to some myth that they’re up to 7 feet tall or whatever.

  164. @Corvinus
    "The British Empire did not have an “invade the world, invite the world” attitude to its colonies."

    Immigration does not have to be "non-white" to "invite the world". The British controlled Thirteen Colonies consisted of the Scotch-Irish, the Irish, the Dutch, the Swedish, and Germans. These groups were still considered "foreigners" by the English due to group differences based on language, religion, and geography. Because of European interactions with Native Americans and Africans in the 1500 and 1600's, Europeans began to merge their distinct ethnic populations into a single "race" to distinguish themselves from other "races".

    Remember, the Irish (and Germans), despite their "invitation" to America by the British, were deemed "undesirable" by nativists in the 1840's and 1850's, as evident by physical depictions of the Irish as being other than white or "less than" white.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=6tw1ZwOnLj0C&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=Harper%27s+Weekly+irish+negro&source=bl&ots=h9F7-ohUIa&sig=CgXJWq_8fDeuUe5uRnYc4LaG8hM&hl=en&ei=W6q_SYCkDsavtwfvqORc&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Harper's%20Weekly%20irish%20negro&f=false

    Of course, black slaves were "invited" to become part of the British Empire. Perhaps that was an unwise decision on those leaders.

    "The protection of hunter gatherers like Bushmen and the like had no importance for the flow of natural resources to European nations."

    These groups represented a direct threat to European colonists in securing natural resources. Controlling them meant easier access to those raw materials. As Europeans secured their borders in Africa, there was a vital interest to "protect" such groups from outside influences who would encourage these "uncivilized" people to rebel.

    "By the 20th Century , if not earlier, the colonial authorities felt a duty of trust to these peoples."

    Indeed, trust these peoples to not get in the way of European commerce there, trust these peoples to learn how to live "properly", trust these peoples to fight for European interests when needed.

    1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.
    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other – nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant – they weren’t British subjects.
    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s )

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.”


    Source? Not sure why cited this statistic. You need to address my points, which were based on your statements about the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies, NOT London.

    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other – nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant – they weren’t British subjects.

    
Nativists, as in those who had originally settled in the States, NOT Native Americans. The views of nativists are absolutely relevant because they decidedly opposed additional whites from entering the country.

    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s ).

    Ok, and how is this germane to the point that black slaves were found in the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies?
  165. @woodNfish

    When the Bambote elders confronted the Luba adulterer, he did not apologize. Instead, the elders said, he killed the woman’s husband, setting off a wave of killings between the two communities.
     
    More proof that black violence is genetic. Another interesting question is why blacks like to be called "African-american"? What is it about Africa that they find appealing? Poverty? Slavery? Famine? Endless war and violence? Tribalism? Aids? Seems to me the best thing that ever happened to them was when other black Africans captured and enslaved their forebears and sold them to Western slaver traders which got them out of the hellhole of Africa.

    Seems to me the best thing that ever happened to them was when other black Africans captured and enslaved their forebears and sold them to Western slaver traders which got them out of the hellhole of Africa.

    There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa. But also never (ever!) mentioned is the question of whether the slaves themselves were better off. We are given only the Narrative that slavery was universally brutal and the greatest evil (except the Holocaust) in history. But is that true or was the reality much more nuanced? We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America. Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa. And there are contemporary anecdotes about African slaves having it better than poor Southern whites. Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa? And of course the very idea of slavery, of owning humans, is fundamentally evil – but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it. But again, just as we cannot think honestly about HBD, we mustn’t ever think honestly about Africans in America.

    • Agree: woodNfish
  166. Well, everybody missed it. Where did this happen? In the Nyunzu region. Did you notice that? The NyUNZu region. This is a subtle hint by the NYT how uncontrolled media can cause chaos in the world. Just the word unz within the region’s name causes some to accidently stumble across this web site, which has resulted in a destablizing effect in the region.

  167. @Verymuchalive
    1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.
    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other - nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant - they weren't British subjects.
    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s )

    “1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.”


    Source? Not sure why cited this statistic. You need to address my points, which were based on your statements about the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies, NOT London.

    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other – nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant – they weren’t British subjects.

    
Nativists, as in those who had originally settled in the States, NOT Native Americans. The views of nativists are absolutely relevant because they decidedly opposed additional whites from entering the country.

    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s ).

    Ok, and how is this germane to the point that black slaves were found in the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You are making a lot of silly anachronistic points jumping around in places and times that mean it is impossible to see whether your apples and pears comparisons are just that or make some sense by some standards.

    How about recognising that, on the whole the rich (if not the grossly greedily rich) and successful treat people with restraint, civility, even kindness compared to the poor and desperate (and the mutual support to other tribal insiders given by hunter gatherers is not a counter example in the world of agriculture and urban life). Then you don't have to be surprised that the British evangelical middle classes of the late 18th and early 19th century (for example) were ahead of nearly all the rest of the world in promoting what was becoming the blessings of modernity with all its advantages to nearly everyone compared to the world of 1750. Many give Christianity much credit for what we like about our world compared to that of the historical past. Lots of causes and trends are worth examining. But the British middle classes circa 1780 harboured the kind of Christians who did most to abolish slavery, protect indigenous primitives and enact legislation to restrict the damaging employment of children.
  168. @woodNfish

    When the Bambote elders confronted the Luba adulterer, he did not apologize. Instead, the elders said, he killed the woman’s husband, setting off a wave of killings between the two communities.
     
    More proof that black violence is genetic. Another interesting question is why blacks like to be called "African-american"? What is it about Africa that they find appealing? Poverty? Slavery? Famine? Endless war and violence? Tribalism? Aids? Seems to me the best thing that ever happened to them was when other black Africans captured and enslaved their forebears and sold them to Western slaver traders which got them out of the hellhole of Africa.

    woodNfish…

    “More proof that black violence is genetic…”

    Actually, it’s tribal warfare violence between competing groups, similar to Europeans vying for control. Human beings are prone to violence.

    
Stan d Mute…

    “There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa.”

    

Actually, those who remained in Africa were free to pursue their own endeavors. That freedom did not exist in America for slaves. Why are you an opponent of liberty?

    “We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America…”



    The deciding factor was that Africans were ripped from their homelands. More proof that white violence is genetic 🙂

    ““Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa.”

    According to Western standards. But I’m fairly certain that Africans were content with living how they saw fit in a manner they had control over.

    “Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa?

    

Evil is evil.

    “but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it.”

    If white Englishmen were so morally superior, why did they engage in slavery in the first place? And what made them stop? Was it American northerners in particular?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Dear Corvinus,

    It sure is interesting where the greatest slaughters due to war through the ages have occurred:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

    I wonder what one can glean from the numbers and locations...

    Peace.
    , @Talha
    And another fascinating map I came across...

    Interactive map of all locations of historic battles fought from the year 2500 BC to present. Amazing!

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    Spectacular work!
  169. @PiltdownMan

    ...but Travelogues to remote and exotic places, often featuring the very people that you speak of, were a staple of my youth.
     

    Circa 1960, my dad bought a seven volume encyclopedia titled "Lands and Peoples" published by Grolier. I still have the volumes, and it is a view of a world long vanished, and a worldview equally long gone. You can find them on Amazon and eBay at a modest price, and are worth it.

    My dad was a geography enthusiast of an old type and kept his 1920s high school geography textbooks on his bedside bookshelf. His worldview of people and societies was formed by those books and caused him to seek a career that let him work in all continents of the world. He made friends in all varieties of cultures - he found little need to recalibrate that pre-pc, pre-SJW view in order to get along famously. I daresay that his counterparts were equally pragmatic in their views, looking outward from their cultures, and bore no grudge nor grievance.

    He would have been appalled by what he would have considered to be the lack of honesty in today's Western view of cultures and peoples. HBD was a simple fact for those of his time—plain as the nose on your face.

    Piltdown, Thank you for your reply. Geography was a favorite subject of my youth. We learned about the diversity of the world’s people, but diversity had a different meaning then.

  170. @Corvinus
    woodNfish...

    “More proof that black violence is genetic...”

    Actually, it’s tribal warfare violence between competing groups, similar to Europeans vying for control. Human beings are prone to violence.

    
Stan d Mute...

    “There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa.”

    

Actually, those who remained in Africa were free to pursue their own endeavors. That freedom did not exist in America for slaves. Why are you an opponent of liberty?

    “We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America...”



    The deciding factor was that Africans were ripped from their homelands. More proof that white violence is genetic :)

    ““Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa.”

    According to Western standards. But I’m fairly certain that Africans were content with living how they saw fit in a manner they had control over.

    “Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa?

    

Evil is evil.

    “but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it.”

    If white Englishmen were so morally superior, why did they engage in slavery in the first place? And what made them stop? Was it American northerners in particular?

    Dear Corvinus,

    It sure is interesting where the greatest slaughters due to war through the ages have occurred:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

    I wonder what one can glean from the numbers and locations…

    Peace.

  171. @Corvinus
    woodNfish...

    “More proof that black violence is genetic...”

    Actually, it’s tribal warfare violence between competing groups, similar to Europeans vying for control. Human beings are prone to violence.

    
Stan d Mute...

    “There is no question the descendants of American slaves are better off than their cousins who never left Africa.”

    

Actually, those who remained in Africa were free to pursue their own endeavors. That freedom did not exist in America for slaves. Why are you an opponent of liberty?

    “We know that life for the African in Africa was short and brutal while for the slaves it was very much a mixed bag particularly in America...”



    The deciding factor was that Africans were ripped from their homelands. More proof that white violence is genetic :)

    ““Given the economic value of slaves, we can be certain they were better fed, clothed, educated, and housed than they were back in Africa.”

    According to Western standards. But I’m fairly certain that Africans were content with living how they saw fit in a manner they had control over.

    “Surely there were some thoroughly evil slave owners who committed unspeakable atrocities, but was that as common as the evils perpetrated by other Africans in Africa?

    

Evil is evil.

    “but it was a universal human institution found in every culture on every continent until white Englishman decided to bring a halt to it.”

    If white Englishmen were so morally superior, why did they engage in slavery in the first place? And what made them stop? Was it American northerners in particular?

    And another fascinating map I came across…

    Interactive map of all locations of historic battles fought from the year 2500 BC to present. Amazing!

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    Spectacular work!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Talha thanks so much for finding this map!
  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There’s no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically."

    No, your claim is nonsense. Diamonds are not rare. Are they rarer than rocks? Sure. Are they as rare and precious and jewelers claim? No. Here's a hint - try to sell a diamond back to the jeweler. See how much you get for it. What would be the market for diamonds if not for the aggressive marketing of DeBeers and retail jewelers?

    DeBeers controls about 35% of the rough diamond market, and presumably a substantially larger fraction of the gem diamond market. They have colluded with other diamond producers (including, at least in the past, the Soviet Union) to fix prices - i.e. to engage in monopolistic practices. That is why they have paid numerous court settlements finding against them for price fixing. Because they engage in price fixing.

    Why are you so invested in this issue anyway? Is your livelihood somehow tied up in propping up the decietful position of DeBeers?

    Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem.

    Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers. Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits. Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn’t cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits. (Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)

    I’m making this argument not because I am connected to DeBeers but to point out how typical you are of iSteve readers. You don’t know a whole lot about how business works but that doesn’t keep you from thinking you have special analytical powers for seeing how things really work.

    A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor.

    But as you can see here you don’t know much, but you have a lot of smug attitude.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem."

    I never said that. I said they are not as uncommon as diamond merchants claim.

    "Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers."

    I did not need to do any research to find that DeBeers is one of many producers. I was well aware of that before.

    "Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits."

    I never used the word "astronomical". That is your word, not mine. Do you maintain that producers of commodities do not collude to set production and fix prices. Ever? Ever heard of OPEC?

    "Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn’t cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits.

    Who says they don't cheat? I never did. OPEC members cheated too. The fact that cheating goes on among the members of a cartel is not proof of there not being a cartel. DeBeers also has a vast marketing operation, which your average blood-diamond dealing warlord in central Africa does not have.

    Again, try to sell a diamond back to a jeweler. How much will you get for it, as a fraction of the purhcase price. How does that compare to gold or silver? Or a gun? Or a car?

    "(Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)"

    I don't have to. You just made it for me. A 25% premium over-and-above the otherwise "normal" price, which itself includes a profit margin and the production cost - for what is essentially a useless bauble? That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I'd take it.

    "A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor."

    And what is your super-power that persuades you to believe that you are superior to the masses? An economics degree? Your dog-eared copy of Atlas Shrugged? I'd bet I'm generally a lot smarter than you are. Possibly more accomplished as well.

  173. @Buzz Mohawk
    I hate the way journalists have forgotten about the inverted pyramid! Now we have to wade through garbage that sets the scene or describes characters and whatever daily tasks they are doing -- before we get to the subject of the story!

    We used to be able to get the facts first and determine if we even needed to read further. That was the design of journalistic writing.

    Years ago I read an interview with Walter Cronkite in which he lamented the same thing.

    Funny how the generation with the collective attention span of a gnat needs 1,500 words to get to the point!

  174. @Corvinus
    “1 here were about 2,000 non-white British citizens in 1939, the vast majority in or around London. Most were wholly or part Chinese or Indian in origin.”


    Source? Not sure why cited this statistic. You need to address my points, which were based on your statements about the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies, NOT London.

    2 In 1776 English constituted 70% of the white population of the 13 colonies. Another 20% were Scots, Welsh or Irish. 10% were other – nearly all French, German or Dutch. So from the start Irish and German settlers were part of the mix. The views of native Americans in the 1840s and 1850s towards renewed immigration is irrelevant – they weren’t British subjects.

    
Nativists, as in those who had originally settled in the States, NOT Native Americans. The views of nativists are absolutely relevant because they decidedly opposed additional whites from entering the country.

    3 Slavery was not permitted in Britain. The Mansfield case of 1774 finally refuted that. The British were the first colonial power to abolish slavery in its colonies ( St Helena 1790s ).

    Ok, and how is this germane to the point that black slaves were found in the British Empire, specifically the 13 colonies?

    You are making a lot of silly anachronistic points jumping around in places and times that mean it is impossible to see whether your apples and pears comparisons are just that or make some sense by some standards.

    How about recognising that, on the whole the rich (if not the grossly greedily rich) and successful treat people with restraint, civility, even kindness compared to the poor and desperate (and the mutual support to other tribal insiders given by hunter gatherers is not a counter example in the world of agriculture and urban life). Then you don’t have to be surprised that the British evangelical middle classes of the late 18th and early 19th century (for example) were ahead of nearly all the rest of the world in promoting what was becoming the blessings of modernity with all its advantages to nearly everyone compared to the world of 1750. Many give Christianity much credit for what we like about our world compared to that of the historical past. Lots of causes and trends are worth examining. But the British middle classes circa 1780 harboured the kind of Christians who did most to abolish slavery, protect indigenous primitives and enact legislation to restrict the damaging employment of children.

    • Agree: Talha
  175. @Corvinus
    “Why didn’t Gettleman tell us upfront that this article is about pygmies?”
    “Poor Gettleman goes all the way to the Katanga province of the Congo to get this great story about a pygmy rebellion...”



    Actually, the article is about a nation torn by war by factionalized groups who continue to embrace their cultural traditions.

    “Pygmies hunt the tiny dik-dik antelope with nets.”



    Primitive in regards to “western” technology? Yes. But in the end, how does it matter to anyone personally if they hunt with nets or if we buy food at a store? More Coalition of the Right nonsense.

    “Everybody is supposed to go around talking about how sub-Saharan Africans have the most genetic diversity on earth, but nobody is sure if it’s respectable to talk about physical diversity among Africans.”

    

Anthropologists talk about the physical diversity among Africans. It’s just that when those characteristics are used by race baiters, left and right, to pursue their agenda, then it becomes unrespectable.

    
“Isn’t it obviously self-defeating to downplay the main thing about this story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti — that they are pygmies?”

    No, Steve, YOU are making the case that the main thing about the story is the fact that they are pygmies.

    “Chosen brides” might not be the frankest term.”

    
How is their cultural practice any different than those who advocate Christian patriarchy? Why should not American fathers even today find an upstanding young man for their daughters, since we all know that women in general lack the capacity to decide for themselves a suitable suitor?

    
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/my-life-as-a-daughter-of-christian-patriarchy/

    If you don’t want to be seen as no more than a blathering incontinent troll at least take the care not to make elementary errors. You are just plain wrong – and it didn’t take diligent proof reading to spot it – when you say “No, Steve, YOU are making the case that the main thing about the story is the fact that they are pygmies”.

    I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    You are being fundamentally dishonest. The author of the story offered background information regarding who are the groups involved. One such group were a tribe that are known as pygmies.

    The gist of the story was the depravity being displayed in a certain part of the world by two rivals over land rights and labor practices. Mr. Sailer, from my vantage point, inserted the narrative to promote an agenda--the only reason why anyone would care about this story is because some wee widdle bwacks are being "bullied" by larger bwacks, when in reality the nature and stature of pygmies is only part of the story.
  176. @Anonymous
    Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem.

    Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers. Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits. Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn't cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits. (Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)

    I’m making this argument not because I am connected to DeBeers but to point out how typical you are of iSteve readers. You don't know a whole lot about how business works but that doesn't keep you from thinking you have special analytical powers for seeing how things really work.

    A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor.

    But as you can see here you don’t know much, but you have a lot of smug attitude.

    “Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem.”

    I never said that. I said they are not as uncommon as diamond merchants claim.

    “Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers.”

    I did not need to do any research to find that DeBeers is one of many producers. I was well aware of that before.

    “Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits.”

    I never used the word “astronomical”. That is your word, not mine. Do you maintain that producers of commodities do not collude to set production and fix prices. Ever? Ever heard of OPEC?

    “Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn’t cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits.

    Who says they don’t cheat? I never did. OPEC members cheated too. The fact that cheating goes on among the members of a cartel is not proof of there not being a cartel. DeBeers also has a vast marketing operation, which your average blood-diamond dealing warlord in central Africa does not have.

    Again, try to sell a diamond back to a jeweler. How much will you get for it, as a fraction of the purhcase price. How does that compare to gold or silver? Or a gun? Or a car?

    “(Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)”

    I don’t have to. You just made it for me. A 25% premium over-and-above the otherwise “normal” price, which itself includes a profit margin and the production cost – for what is essentially a useless bauble? That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I’d take it.

    “A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor.”

    And what is your super-power that persuades you to believe that you are superior to the masses? An economics degree? Your dog-eared copy of Atlas Shrugged? I’d bet I’m generally a lot smarter than you are. Possibly more accomplished as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it's one of many producers
    2. You implied diamonds weren't much rarer than rocks. "Are they rarer than rocks? Sure." That sounds like diamonds aren't much more scarce than rocks.
    3. "product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap." You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical.
    4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess.
    5. "Who says they don’t cheat? I never did." You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that's not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you've imagined is impossible.
    6. "That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I’d take it." And we reach the end where in desperately trying to concede nothing you change your argument. All along you were actually arguing that DeBeers has just engineered market power abuse in the range of 25% rent. Yeah right. You lost and have abandoned your original argument.

    Judging my how you made a lot of inaccurate comments in this thread and and in the same thread deny the meaning of your own words, I doubt you are accomplished or smart.
  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Let’s see. You think diamonds are just a cut above rocks in scarcity. So that means it takes about a few dollars of effort to extract a gem."

    I never said that. I said they are not as uncommon as diamond merchants claim.

    "Yet at the same time you concede now after doing research that DeBeers is one producer among many. There are many other producers in places like Angola, Russia, Zimbabwe, that do not share the corporate culture of DeBeers."

    I did not need to do any research to find that DeBeers is one of many producers. I was well aware of that before.

    "Yet somehow there is an ongoing conspiracy among dozens of producers to sell this not too scarce rock—just costs a dollar to produce a gem according to you—for really, really astronomical profits."

    I never used the word "astronomical". That is your word, not mine. Do you maintain that producers of commodities do not collude to set production and fix prices. Ever? Ever heard of OPEC?

    "Somehow this massive conspiracy of very diverse people doesn’t cheat on each other, keeping the charade going of selling a low value rock for unbelievable profits.

    Who says they don't cheat? I never did. OPEC members cheated too. The fact that cheating goes on among the members of a cartel is not proof of there not being a cartel. DeBeers also has a vast marketing operation, which your average blood-diamond dealing warlord in central Africa does not have.

    Again, try to sell a diamond back to a jeweler. How much will you get for it, as a fraction of the purhcase price. How does that compare to gold or silver? Or a gun? Or a car?

    "(Past and present price fixing or collusion among large producers probably raises the price by 25% so don’t bother to claim that as support for the argument you are now making.)"

    I don't have to. You just made it for me. A 25% premium over-and-above the otherwise "normal" price, which itself includes a profit margin and the production cost - for what is essentially a useless bauble? That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I'd take it.

    "A lot of readers here are low accomplishment men who want to think that because they hold the secrets of HBD, they are superior to much more accomplished people and the masses because they know How the World Really Works, special insight that the sheep masses don’t have about the naked emperor."

    And what is your super-power that persuades you to believe that you are superior to the masses? An economics degree? Your dog-eared copy of Atlas Shrugged? I'd bet I'm generally a lot smarter than you are. Possibly more accomplished as well.

    1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it’s one of many producers
    2. You implied diamonds weren’t much rarer than rocks. “Are they rarer than rocks? Sure.” That sounds like diamonds aren’t much more scarce than rocks.
    3. “product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap.” You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical.
    4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess.
    5. “Who says they don’t cheat? I never did.” You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that’s not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you’ve imagined is impossible.
    6. “That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I’d take it.” And we reach the end where in desperately trying to concede nothing you change your argument. All along you were actually arguing that DeBeers has just engineered market power abuse in the range of 25% rent. Yeah right. You lost and have abandoned your original argument.

    Judging my how you made a lot of inaccurate comments in this thread and and in the same thread deny the meaning of your own words, I doubt you are accomplished or smart.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it’s one of many producers.

    Standard Oil was called a monopoly, and it was never the only producer.

    "2. You implied diamonds weren’t much rarer than rocks. “Are they rarer than rocks? Sure.” That sounds like diamonds aren’t much more scarce than rocks."

    I said what I said, and implied what I implied. I am not responsible for what it sounds like to you.

    "You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical."

    You want to comment? Comment. Don't rewrite mine. I didn't say "astronomical" - you did.

    "4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess."

    I never quoted a number at all. You are reading things that aren't there.

    “Who says they don’t cheat? I never did.” You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that’s not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you’ve imagined is impossible."

    Perhaps you are one of these homo economus types who wouldn't stoop down to pick up a ten dollar bill on the sidewalk, because it couldn't possibly be there.

    " I doubt you are accomplished or smart."

    So it is an econ degree, isn't it? The sense of desperate inferiority shows.

    , @Mr. Anon
    You have a strange compulsion to defend racketeers. Perhaps you could put in a good word for pimps sometime.
  178. @Wizard of Oz
    If you don't want to be seen as no more than a blathering incontinent troll at least take the care not to make elementary errors. You are just plain wrong - and it didn't take diligent proof reading to spot it - when you say "No, Steve, YOU are making the case that the main thing about the story is the fact that they are pygmies".

    I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.

    You are being fundamentally dishonest. The author of the story offered background information regarding who are the groups involved. One such group were a tribe that are known as pygmies.

    The gist of the story was the depravity being displayed in a certain part of the world by two rivals over land rights and labor practices. Mr. Sailer, from my vantage point, inserted the narrative to promote an agenda–the only reason why anyone would care about this story is because some wee widdle bwacks are being “bullied” by larger bwacks, when in reality the nature and stature of pygmies is only part of the story.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    1.See if you can recover some respect for your intellectual acumen by showing that you can justify the word "dishonest", indeed "fundamentally dishonest" on the basis of what I wrote. (But don't spend too much time on it. Your efforts coulf only be embarrassing to your smarter friends).

    2. "From my vantage point" doesn't help you when you are accused accurately of objective logical or factual error. And it doesn't help to say "Mr Sailer inserted the narrative [sic]" when the only narrative was the New York Times story,I and Sailer - who would qualify as an expert witness on the Anglophone media - notes that the story in the NYT is told in a remarkably boring way for a use of newsprint which necessarily must try to grab its readers both to inform them and to keep them subscribing [yes, I know he didn't spell all that out in such simple terms; out of respect for most of his readers undoubtedly]. His point is to connect the boring way the story is told, compared with the old fashioned non PC journalism of the Daily Mail, to some current PC fashions. And if you didn't get that then he is justified in thinking it was worthwhile to make his point to alert those of us who are too busy or lacking sensitivity to usage to one of today's distortions of the American media.

  179. @Talha
    And another fascinating map I came across...

    Interactive map of all locations of historic battles fought from the year 2500 BC to present. Amazing!

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    Spectacular work!

    Talha thanks so much for finding this map!

    • Replies: @Talha
    No problem Sam - I know, what a great resource! I actually came across it as referenced by the brilliant Prof. Jonathan Brown of Georgetown U.

    Best!
  180. @Sam Shama
    Talha thanks so much for finding this map!

    No problem Sam – I know, what a great resource! I actually came across it as referenced by the brilliant Prof. Jonathan Brown of Georgetown U.

    Best!

  181. @Anonymous
    Nonsense. Diamonds are rare. There's no such thing as a DeBeers monopoly. They control approximately 20% of world supply in three southern African countries. At best they are able to raise prices but not astronomically.
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Edward Jay Epstein's article and book on De Beers is quite a read:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/

  182. @Corvinus
    You are being fundamentally dishonest. The author of the story offered background information regarding who are the groups involved. One such group were a tribe that are known as pygmies.

    The gist of the story was the depravity being displayed in a certain part of the world by two rivals over land rights and labor practices. Mr. Sailer, from my vantage point, inserted the narrative to promote an agenda--the only reason why anyone would care about this story is because some wee widdle bwacks are being "bullied" by larger bwacks, when in reality the nature and stature of pygmies is only part of the story.

    1.See if you can recover some respect for your intellectual acumen by showing that you can justify the word “dishonest”, indeed “fundamentally dishonest” on the basis of what I wrote. (But don’t spend too much time on it. Your efforts coulf only be embarrassing to your smarter friends).

    2. “From my vantage point” doesn’t help you when you are accused accurately of objective logical or factual error. And it doesn’t help to say “Mr Sailer inserted the narrative [sic]” when the only narrative was the New York Times story,I and Sailer – who would qualify as an expert witness on the Anglophone media – notes that the story in the NYT is told in a remarkably boring way for a use of newsprint which necessarily must try to grab its readers both to inform them and to keep them subscribing [yes, I know he didn’t spell all that out in such simple terms; out of respect for most of his readers undoubtedly]. His point is to connect the boring way the story is told, compared with the old fashioned non PC journalism of the Daily Mail, to some current PC fashions. And if you didn’t get that then he is justified in thinking it was worthwhile to make his point to alert those of us who are too busy or lacking sensitivity to usage to one of today’s distortions of the American media.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “How about recognising that, on the whole the rich (if not the grossly greedily rich) and successful treat people with restraint, civility, even kindness compared to the poor and desperate (and the mutual support to other tribal insiders given by hunter gatherers is not a counter example in the world of agriculture and urban life).”

    How are you able to state this determination as fact?

    “Then you don’t have to be surprised that the British evangelical middle classes of the late 18th and early 19th century (for example) were ahead of nearly all the rest of the world in promoting what was becoming the blessings of modernity with all its advantages to nearly everyone compared to the world of 1750.”

    Maybe these blessings were curses to people who preferred to live their life in a minimalist fashion.

    “But the British middle classes circa 1780 harboured the kind of Christians who did most to abolish slavery, protect indigenous primitives and enact legislation to restrict the damaging employment of children.”



    Praytell, where were those Christians ensuring that slavery and child labor had NOT been official policy of the British Crown? Were not those same Christians promoting their culture as being superior, while having the compulsion to ensure that blacks and kids were treated more “civil”?

    I suppose better late than never…

    “I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.”

    
You and Steve, based on I would imagine is a distrust of liberal media, are making the point the author purposely and willingly misled readers in some fashion by failing to admit the story is essence about "Human Biodiversity", that the writing is tedious, that the narrative is "PC". That is crafting a narrative.
  183. @Anonymous
    1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it's one of many producers
    2. You implied diamonds weren't much rarer than rocks. "Are they rarer than rocks? Sure." That sounds like diamonds aren't much more scarce than rocks.
    3. "product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap." You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical.
    4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess.
    5. "Who says they don’t cheat? I never did." You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that's not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you've imagined is impossible.
    6. "That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I’d take it." And we reach the end where in desperately trying to concede nothing you change your argument. All along you were actually arguing that DeBeers has just engineered market power abuse in the range of 25% rent. Yeah right. You lost and have abandoned your original argument.

    Judging my how you made a lot of inaccurate comments in this thread and and in the same thread deny the meaning of your own words, I doubt you are accomplished or smart.

    “1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it’s one of many producers.

    Standard Oil was called a monopoly, and it was never the only producer.

    “2. You implied diamonds weren’t much rarer than rocks. “Are they rarer than rocks? Sure.” That sounds like diamonds aren’t much more scarce than rocks.”

    I said what I said, and implied what I implied. I am not responsible for what it sounds like to you.

    “You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical.”

    You want to comment? Comment. Don’t rewrite mine. I didn’t say “astronomical” – you did.

    “4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess.”

    I never quoted a number at all. You are reading things that aren’t there.

    “Who says they don’t cheat? I never did.” You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that’s not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you’ve imagined is impossible.”

    Perhaps you are one of these homo economus types who wouldn’t stoop down to pick up a ten dollar bill on the sidewalk, because it couldn’t possibly be there.

    ” I doubt you are accomplished or smart.”

    So it is an econ degree, isn’t it? The sense of desperate inferiority shows.

  184. @Sailer has an interesting life
    You try to convince that your blather is valid and worth listening to. It is utter garbage.

    You write alternately like a nitwit or a lunatic. So which are you?

  185. @Anonymous
    1. You started out saying DeBeers was a monopoly. Now you say it's one of many producers
    2. You implied diamonds weren't much rarer than rocks. "Are they rarer than rocks? Sure." That sounds like diamonds aren't much more scarce than rocks.
    3. "product they sell is actually rare and precious, when it is in fact rather common and cheap." You see astronomical is the word you imply. If diamonds were so cheap and common and sold as precious and rare, the difference would be astronomical.
    4. Cartels like OPEC are able to influence prices. Your argument however instead is about astronomical differences between cost and pricing. You have claimed diamonds are very common and since sell for an extremely high price the difference is much more than 25% excess.
    5. "Who says they don’t cheat? I never did." You missed the point about cartels. You have claimed there is an extremely significant difference between cost and pricing. With so many producers and such a high risk of cheating, that's not possible to maintain. So this fantasy world of DeBeers collecting astronomical monopoly rent as you've imagined is impossible.
    6. "That sounds like a pretty fat profit to me. I’d take it." And we reach the end where in desperately trying to concede nothing you change your argument. All along you were actually arguing that DeBeers has just engineered market power abuse in the range of 25% rent. Yeah right. You lost and have abandoned your original argument.

    Judging my how you made a lot of inaccurate comments in this thread and and in the same thread deny the meaning of your own words, I doubt you are accomplished or smart.

    You have a strange compulsion to defend racketeers. Perhaps you could put in a good word for pimps sometime.

  186. @Wizard of Oz
    1.See if you can recover some respect for your intellectual acumen by showing that you can justify the word "dishonest", indeed "fundamentally dishonest" on the basis of what I wrote. (But don't spend too much time on it. Your efforts coulf only be embarrassing to your smarter friends).

    2. "From my vantage point" doesn't help you when you are accused accurately of objective logical or factual error. And it doesn't help to say "Mr Sailer inserted the narrative [sic]" when the only narrative was the New York Times story,I and Sailer - who would qualify as an expert witness on the Anglophone media - notes that the story in the NYT is told in a remarkably boring way for a use of newsprint which necessarily must try to grab its readers both to inform them and to keep them subscribing [yes, I know he didn't spell all that out in such simple terms; out of respect for most of his readers undoubtedly]. His point is to connect the boring way the story is told, compared with the old fashioned non PC journalism of the Daily Mail, to some current PC fashions. And if you didn't get that then he is justified in thinking it was worthwhile to make his point to alert those of us who are too busy or lacking sensitivity to usage to one of today's distortions of the American media.

    “How about recognising that, on the whole the rich (if not the grossly greedily rich) and successful treat people with restraint, civility, even kindness compared to the poor and desperate (and the mutual support to other tribal insiders given by hunter gatherers is not a counter example in the world of agriculture and urban life).”

    How are you able to state this determination as fact?

    “Then you don’t have to be surprised that the British evangelical middle classes of the late 18th and early 19th century (for example) were ahead of nearly all the rest of the world in promoting what was becoming the blessings of modernity with all its advantages to nearly everyone compared to the world of 1750.”

    Maybe these blessings were curses to people who preferred to live their life in a minimalist fashion.

    “But the British middle classes circa 1780 harboured the kind of Christians who did most to abolish slavery, protect indigenous primitives and enact legislation to restrict the damaging employment of children.”



    Praytell, where were those Christians ensuring that slavery and child labor had NOT been official policy of the British Crown? Were not those same Christians promoting their culture as being superior, while having the compulsion to ensure that blacks and kids were treated more “civil”?

    I suppose better late than never…

    “I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.”

    
You and Steve, based on I would imagine is a distrust of liberal media, are making the point the author purposely and willingly misled readers in some fashion by failing to admit the story is essence about “Human Biodiversity”, that the writing is tedious, that the narrative is “PC”. That is crafting a narrative.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    "Determination" ? Do you perhaps mean "opinion"? Are you familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of needs? That would give you the idea of what I am talking about here if life experience and observation isn't enough.

    Feel free to suppose that tribal people without "guns, (European) germs and steel" might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.

    And what makes you say that "slavery and child labor" were "the official policy of the British Ctown"? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer. It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them - and it was the Industrial Revolution (which started in Britain) which gave the necessary horsepower to the reform movements.
  187. @Corvinus
    “How about recognising that, on the whole the rich (if not the grossly greedily rich) and successful treat people with restraint, civility, even kindness compared to the poor and desperate (and the mutual support to other tribal insiders given by hunter gatherers is not a counter example in the world of agriculture and urban life).”

    How are you able to state this determination as fact?

    “Then you don’t have to be surprised that the British evangelical middle classes of the late 18th and early 19th century (for example) were ahead of nearly all the rest of the world in promoting what was becoming the blessings of modernity with all its advantages to nearly everyone compared to the world of 1750.”

    Maybe these blessings were curses to people who preferred to live their life in a minimalist fashion.

    “But the British middle classes circa 1780 harboured the kind of Christians who did most to abolish slavery, protect indigenous primitives and enact legislation to restrict the damaging employment of children.”



    Praytell, where were those Christians ensuring that slavery and child labor had NOT been official policy of the British Crown? Were not those same Christians promoting their culture as being superior, while having the compulsion to ensure that blacks and kids were treated more “civil”?

    I suppose better late than never…

    “I hope it is only carelessness and not dimwitedness which makes you write that when in fact what Steve said was that their being pygmies was the main thing about the story that would elicit attention and sympathy to the plight of the Mbuti.”

    
You and Steve, based on I would imagine is a distrust of liberal media, are making the point the author purposely and willingly misled readers in some fashion by failing to admit the story is essence about "Human Biodiversity", that the writing is tedious, that the narrative is "PC". That is crafting a narrative.

    “Determination” ? Do you perhaps mean “opinion”? Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? That would give you the idea of what I am talking about here if life experience and observation isn’t enough.

    Feel free to suppose that tribal people without “guns, (European) germs and steel” might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.

    And what makes you say that “slavery and child labor” were “the official policy of the British Ctown”? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer. It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them – and it was the Industrial Revolution (which started in Britain) which gave the necessary horsepower to the reform movements.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs?”

    According to his theory, all people are able to meet their needs and achieve self-actualization. One need not only be rich and powerful to show civility and restraint, those are human traits regardless of socio-economic condition. Did Maslow himself state specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy?

    “And what makes you say that “slavery and child labor” were “the official policy of the British Ctown”? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer.”

    Seriously? That would mean southern planation owners in 1600’s Virginia, for example, would have been exercising their own liberty without sanction by the monarchy regarding their financial enterprises. Do you honestly believe the British Crown would shirk their economic responsibility to control commerce?

    This source indicates that indeed slavery was under the direction of the British Crown in regards to its legality and its organizational structure.

    “From 1660, the British crown passed various acts and granted charters to enable companies to settle, administer, and exploit British interests on the West Coast of Africa and to supply slaves to the American colonies”.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

    “Feel free to suppose that tribal people without “guns, (European) germs and steel” might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.”

    

Undoubtedly tribal groups benefitted from European technology. The question is did Africans desire to have their liberty stripped from them and their ways of life interfered with? Was it the European domain to control a group merely because they thought they were more civilized?

    “It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them…”

    So where were their vigorous protests when slavery was becoming a major money maker for the British Empire?
  188. @Wizard of Oz
    "Determination" ? Do you perhaps mean "opinion"? Are you familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of needs? That would give you the idea of what I am talking about here if life experience and observation isn't enough.

    Feel free to suppose that tribal people without "guns, (European) germs and steel" might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.

    And what makes you say that "slavery and child labor" were "the official policy of the British Ctown"? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer. It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them - and it was the Industrial Revolution (which started in Britain) which gave the necessary horsepower to the reform movements.

    “Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs?”

    According to his theory, all people are able to meet their needs and achieve self-actualization. One need not only be rich and powerful to show civility and restraint, those are human traits regardless of socio-economic condition. Did Maslow himself state specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy?

    “And what makes you say that “slavery and child labor” were “the official policy of the British Ctown”? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer.”

    Seriously? That would mean southern planation owners in 1600’s Virginia, for example, would have been exercising their own liberty without sanction by the monarchy regarding their financial enterprises. Do you honestly believe the British Crown would shirk their economic responsibility to control commerce?

    This source indicates that indeed slavery was under the direction of the British Crown in regards to its legality and its organizational structure.

    “From 1660, the British crown passed various acts and granted charters to enable companies to settle, administer, and exploit British interests on the West Coast of Africa and to supply slaves to the American colonies”.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

    “Feel free to suppose that tribal people without “guns, (European) germs and steel” might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.”

    

Undoubtedly tribal groups benefitted from European technology. The question is did Africans desire to have their liberty stripped from them and their ways of life interfered with? Was it the European domain to control a group merely because they thought they were more civilized?

    “It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them…”

    So where were their vigorous protests when slavery was becoming a major money maker for the British Empire?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You don't seem to be denying my suggestion about the role of British evangelicals in ending slavery (not that I have any particular interest in evangelical or any Christianity) but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.

    Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You also don't really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand. The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the "big man" or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought and achieved by those whose material needs are well satisfied than by those who are subject to many pressures in their lives. Exceptions abound but that doesn't negate the generality.
  189. @Corvinus
    “Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs?”

    According to his theory, all people are able to meet their needs and achieve self-actualization. One need not only be rich and powerful to show civility and restraint, those are human traits regardless of socio-economic condition. Did Maslow himself state specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy?

    “And what makes you say that “slavery and child labor” were “the official policy of the British Ctown”? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer.”

    Seriously? That would mean southern planation owners in 1600’s Virginia, for example, would have been exercising their own liberty without sanction by the monarchy regarding their financial enterprises. Do you honestly believe the British Crown would shirk their economic responsibility to control commerce?

    This source indicates that indeed slavery was under the direction of the British Crown in regards to its legality and its organizational structure.

    “From 1660, the British crown passed various acts and granted charters to enable companies to settle, administer, and exploit British interests on the West Coast of Africa and to supply slaves to the American colonies”.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

    “Feel free to suppose that tribal people without “guns, (European) germs and steel” might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.”

    

Undoubtedly tribal groups benefitted from European technology. The question is did Africans desire to have their liberty stripped from them and their ways of life interfered with? Was it the European domain to control a group merely because they thought they were more civilized?

    “It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them…”

    So where were their vigorous protests when slavery was becoming a major money maker for the British Empire?

    You don’t seem to be denying my suggestion about the role of British evangelicals in ending slavery (not that I have any particular interest in evangelical or any Christianity) but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.

    Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.”



    There is no changing of any goalposts. I acknowledge the significance of British evangelicals in helping to eradicate slavery. That issue is closed. I am asking that when slavery began to rear its ugly head in the British Empire, where were those evangelicals? What were they doing to end that scourge? Not “preemptively before”, but immediately after. Major difference.

    “Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.”

    There is no conflating anything. Since when is James I insistence of political superiority over Parliament remotely related to official monarchial economic policy? I provided specific evidence indicating that the British crown officially sanctioned slavery. There was a direct partnership with Parliament in this matter.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3FMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA83&lpg=RA1-PA83&dq=James+I+king+england+sanctioned+slavery&source=bl&ots=P0Bb5nYzb-&sig=XfhC48QhzJk4QePjbWTn_o0VHtE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib5uKrhMjMAhUJMSYKHVIxCK0Q6AEIPjAH#v=onepage&q=James%20I%20king%20england%20sanctioned%20slavery&f=false

    “The harvest of sugar, ginger, and pearls...transported to Hispaniola, attracted the attention of Queen Elizabeth, who encouraged the trade, and participated in its profits. The slave trade was fostered and promoted by James the First, by Charles the First, by Charles the Second, and by William the Third. It received the sanction, and was encouraged by repeated acts of the British Parliament. It was the fixed policy of Great Britain to advance this trade, which was solemnly declared to be highly beneficial to the nation.”

    

Lucy has some ‘splainin’ to do...
  190. @Corvinus
    “Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs?”

    According to his theory, all people are able to meet their needs and achieve self-actualization. One need not only be rich and powerful to show civility and restraint, those are human traits regardless of socio-economic condition. Did Maslow himself state specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy?

    “And what makes you say that “slavery and child labor” were “the official policy of the British Ctown”? You are obviously no histotian, or lawyer.”

    Seriously? That would mean southern planation owners in 1600’s Virginia, for example, would have been exercising their own liberty without sanction by the monarchy regarding their financial enterprises. Do you honestly believe the British Crown would shirk their economic responsibility to control commerce?

    This source indicates that indeed slavery was under the direction of the British Crown in regards to its legality and its organizational structure.

    “From 1660, the British crown passed various acts and granted charters to enable companies to settle, administer, and exploit British interests on the West Coast of Africa and to supply slaves to the American colonies”.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

    “Feel free to suppose that tribal people without “guns, (European) germs and steel” might have preferred dying in tribal fights or otherwise at 30, toothache, unmended broken bones, forced marriage of 12 year olds to old men etc. to the blessings of modernity that practically everyone adopts these days.”

    

Undoubtedly tribal groups benefitted from European technology. The question is did Africans desire to have their liberty stripped from them and their ways of life interfered with? Was it the European domain to control a group merely because they thought they were more civilized?

    “It was the rise of the British evangelicals that arguably did most to end slavery and, before that, the slave trade, perhaps fifty years earlier than would have happened without them…”

    So where were their vigorous protests when slavery was becoming a major money maker for the British Empire?

    You also don’t really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand. The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the “big man” or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought and achieved by those whose material needs are well satisfied than by those who are subject to many pressures in their lives. Exceptions abound but that doesn’t negate the generality.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You also don't really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand."

    You glossed over my point. How convenient. Maslow stated PEOPLE, regardless of social status, are motivated to achieve certain needs. When one need is fulfilled, a person seeks to fulfill the next one. Every person is capable and has the desire to move up the hierarchy toward a level of self-actualization

    Please show where he himself stated specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy.

    "The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the "big man" or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought..."

    "Civility and restraint". You insisted that the wealthy, as espoused by Maslow's hierarchy, will demonstrate those traits more consistently compared to the poor. You are assuming that the rich will, on the whole, be more willing to share their blessings with the non-rich, that the non-rich, despite having little or no materialistic items, is somehow more likely to be uncivil and show less restraint.

    Did Maslow make this determination, or is it your opinion?

    Just because a person has "more stuff" than another person does not mean he/she is more willing to help those with "less stuff".

    You are also minimizing the immense pressures that the wealthy have in their position to maintain and exceed their status, which may result in their outward behavior being less than "civil" or exhibiting "restraint".
  191. @Wizard of Oz
    You don't seem to be denying my suggestion about the role of British evangelicals in ending slavery (not that I have any particular interest in evangelical or any Christianity) but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.

    Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.

    “but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.”



    There is no changing of any goalposts. I acknowledge the significance of British evangelicals in helping to eradicate slavery. That issue is closed. I am asking that when slavery began to rear its ugly head in the British Empire, where were those evangelicals? What were they doing to end that scourge? Not “preemptively before”, but immediately after. Major difference.

    “Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.”

    There is no conflating anything. Since when is James I insistence of political superiority over Parliament remotely related to official monarchial economic policy? I provided specific evidence indicating that the British crown officially sanctioned slavery. There was a direct partnership with Parliament in this matter.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3FMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA83&lpg=RA1-PA83&dq=James+I+king+england+sanctioned+slavery&source=bl&ots=P0Bb5nYzb-&sig=XfhC48QhzJk4QePjbWTn_o0VHtE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib5uKrhMjMAhUJMSYKHVIxCK0Q6AEIPjAH#v=onepage&q=James%20I%20king%20england%20sanctioned%20slavery&f=false

    “The harvest of sugar, ginger, and pearls…transported to Hispaniola, attracted the attention of Queen Elizabeth, who encouraged the trade, and participated in its profits. The slave trade was fostered and promoted by James the First, by Charles the First, by Charles the Second, and by William the Third. It received the sanction, and was encouraged by repeated acts of the British Parliament. It was the fixed policy of Great Britain to advance this trade, which was solemnly declared to be highly beneficial to the nation.”

    

Lucy has some ‘splainin’ to do…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Well perhaps I should have expressly acknowledged what you had turned up about James 1 and Virginia but I was responding really to your damning of the Brits (say I whose first Australian ancestors were Irish and Catholic) by treating more than 200 years of change in an undifferentiated way. Come to think of it, why didn't worthy Brits, evangelical or ruling class immediately have anaesthesia for painful child birth made avsilable to all classes the moment Queen Victoria had rejoiced in its use c. 1848?
  192. @Wizard of Oz
    You also don't really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand. The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the "big man" or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought and achieved by those whose material needs are well satisfied than by those who are subject to many pressures in their lives. Exceptions abound but that doesn't negate the generality.

    “You also don’t really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand.”

    You glossed over my point. How convenient. Maslow stated PEOPLE, regardless of social status, are motivated to achieve certain needs. When one need is fulfilled, a person seeks to fulfill the next one. Every person is capable and has the desire to move up the hierarchy toward a level of self-actualization

    Please show where he himself stated specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy.

    “The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the “big man” or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought…”

    “Civility and restraint”. You insisted that the wealthy, as espoused by Maslow’s hierarchy, will demonstrate those traits more consistently compared to the poor. You are assuming that the rich will, on the whole, be more willing to share their blessings with the non-rich, that the non-rich, despite having little or no materialistic items, is somehow more likely to be uncivil and show less restraint.

    Did Maslow make this determination, or is it your opinion?

    Just because a person has “more stuff” than another person does not mean he/she is more willing to help those with “less stuff”.

    You are also minimizing the immense pressures that the wealthy have in their position to maintain and exceed their status, which may result in their outward behavior being less than “civil” or exhibiting “restraint”.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    It's good to find someone attempting detail and precision in the UR comments and excuse me if I don't respond with adequate attention to your detail. But, as I indicated, I was just usimg Maslow to point in a shorthand way to the kind of point I was making and you miss my point if you keep on asking me to say what Maslow said. I merely suggest that it is fairly obvious that being regarded, preferably justly, as well-informed, intelligent, principled, courteous, restrained and deliberate, magnanimous, generous**, well-presented etc is something people would generally wish applied to them rather than any deficiency in those actual or perceived qualities and it is blindingly obvious that time and energy consuming pressures to ensure that the lower level needs are satisfied, both material and emotional or social, must tend to detract from the higher satisfactions and behavioural patterns.

    It is true, as you point out, that maintaining status (or even solvency!) among the rich can militate against their behaving well. Indeed those they would like to think of as their peers often notice and disapprove - or not, as you might justly point out. Rudeness to servants is not unknown amongst the new rich and social climbing husbands and wives sometimes defeat the benignity of the other.

    Yet again one should note relativity. All sorts of cruelty, and servitude, was just part of the order of things in the past and a community where all are comfortably prosperous may experience cross currents which are quite different from one where there are rich and poor, high and low caste, etc.

    All sorts of details may be important too. For example the availability of anaesthesia has surely had a lot to do with the decline in tolerance for physical cruelty whether to humans or animals and whether by or against the law. Clearly the tribal chief who takes you in and shares the tribe's food with you and your starving lost fellow travellers is likely to be tolerant of or indifferent to people suffering pain that we soft moderns would not be.

    So I maintain the truth of the tendency I generalise about - as a generalisation with usually individual exceptions.

    **interesting isn't it how often someone is described as "generous" when they are actually giving a very small proportion of what they have, or are even spending taxpayers' or shareholders' money!? Well its probably a good thing to say if you want more from the same source:-)

  193. @Corvinus
    "You also don't really seem to be contesting the point I made by using reference to Maslow as shorthand."

    You glossed over my point. How convenient. Maslow stated PEOPLE, regardless of social status, are motivated to achieve certain needs. When one need is fulfilled, a person seeks to fulfill the next one. Every person is capable and has the desire to move up the hierarchy toward a level of self-actualization

    Please show where he himself stated specifically that the poor and desperate are less likely to be able to demonstrate kindness compared to the wealthy.

    "The answer to your question is obvious but it is equally obvious that the prestige of the "big man" or the very generous benefactor or giver of time to the needy is something more likely to be sought..."

    "Civility and restraint". You insisted that the wealthy, as espoused by Maslow's hierarchy, will demonstrate those traits more consistently compared to the poor. You are assuming that the rich will, on the whole, be more willing to share their blessings with the non-rich, that the non-rich, despite having little or no materialistic items, is somehow more likely to be uncivil and show less restraint.

    Did Maslow make this determination, or is it your opinion?

    Just because a person has "more stuff" than another person does not mean he/she is more willing to help those with "less stuff".

    You are also minimizing the immense pressures that the wealthy have in their position to maintain and exceed their status, which may result in their outward behavior being less than "civil" or exhibiting "restraint".

    It’s good to find someone attempting detail and precision in the UR comments and excuse me if I don’t respond with adequate attention to your detail. But, as I indicated, I was just usimg Maslow to point in a shorthand way to the kind of point I was making and you miss my point if you keep on asking me to say what Maslow said. I merely suggest that it is fairly obvious that being regarded, preferably justly, as well-informed, intelligent, principled, courteous, restrained and deliberate, magnanimous, generous**, well-presented etc is something people would generally wish applied to them rather than any deficiency in those actual or perceived qualities and it is blindingly obvious that time and energy consuming pressures to ensure that the lower level needs are satisfied, both material and emotional or social, must tend to detract from the higher satisfactions and behavioural patterns.

    It is true, as you point out, that maintaining status (or even solvency!) among the rich can militate against their behaving well. Indeed those they would like to think of as their peers often notice and disapprove – or not, as you might justly point out. Rudeness to servants is not unknown amongst the new rich and social climbing husbands and wives sometimes defeat the benignity of the other.

    Yet again one should note relativity. All sorts of cruelty, and servitude, was just part of the order of things in the past and a community where all are comfortably prosperous may experience cross currents which are quite different from one where there are rich and poor, high and low caste, etc.

    All sorts of details may be important too. For example the availability of anaesthesia has surely had a lot to do with the decline in tolerance for physical cruelty whether to humans or animals and whether by or against the law. Clearly the tribal chief who takes you in and shares the tribe’s food with you and your starving lost fellow travellers is likely to be tolerant of or indifferent to people suffering pain that we soft moderns would not be.

    So I maintain the truth of the tendency I generalise about – as a generalisation with usually individual exceptions.

    **interesting isn’t it how often someone is described as “generous” when they are actually giving a very small proportion of what they have, or are even spending taxpayers’ or shareholders’ money!? Well its probably a good thing to say if you want more from the same source:-)

  194. @Corvinus
    “but you have changed the goalposts by suggesting that they should have acted (with what some unstated power or influence) preemptively before there was a major known evil, by the most advanced standards of the day, to fight.”



    There is no changing of any goalposts. I acknowledge the significance of British evangelicals in helping to eradicate slavery. That issue is closed. I am asking that when slavery began to rear its ugly head in the British Empire, where were those evangelicals? What were they doing to end that scourge? Not “preemptively before”, but immediately after. Major difference.

    “Also anachronistically you are conflating the world of the foundation of Virginia when James 1 could still claim the divine right of kings without anyone laughing with the post civil war, post Cromwell, post Glorious Revolution and Bill of Rights world wherein the elements of modern constitutional monarchy andcthe supremacy of parliament only came together under the Hanoverians during the long first prime ministership of Sir Robert Walpole who governed through his control of the House of Commons.”

    There is no conflating anything. Since when is James I insistence of political superiority over Parliament remotely related to official monarchial economic policy? I provided specific evidence indicating that the British crown officially sanctioned slavery. There was a direct partnership with Parliament in this matter.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3FMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA83&lpg=RA1-PA83&dq=James+I+king+england+sanctioned+slavery&source=bl&ots=P0Bb5nYzb-&sig=XfhC48QhzJk4QePjbWTn_o0VHtE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib5uKrhMjMAhUJMSYKHVIxCK0Q6AEIPjAH#v=onepage&q=James%20I%20king%20england%20sanctioned%20slavery&f=false

    “The harvest of sugar, ginger, and pearls...transported to Hispaniola, attracted the attention of Queen Elizabeth, who encouraged the trade, and participated in its profits. The slave trade was fostered and promoted by James the First, by Charles the First, by Charles the Second, and by William the Third. It received the sanction, and was encouraged by repeated acts of the British Parliament. It was the fixed policy of Great Britain to advance this trade, which was solemnly declared to be highly beneficial to the nation.”

    

Lucy has some ‘splainin’ to do...

    Well perhaps I should have expressly acknowledged what you had turned up about James 1 and Virginia but I was responding really to your damning of the Brits (say I whose first Australian ancestors were Irish and Catholic) by treating more than 200 years of change in an undifferentiated way. Come to think of it, why didn’t worthy Brits, evangelical or ruling class immediately have anaesthesia for painful child birth made avsilable to all classes the moment Queen Victoria had rejoiced in its use c. 1848?

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