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Yesterday, I posted a NYT article by Carl Zimmer, Nicholas Wade’s hard working replacement on the genetics beat, about the latest ancient DNA data from Iberia. After the Yamnaya (a.k.a., Aryans) showed up in Iberia around 4500 years ago (2500 BC), the previous male-line DNA vanished.

But the expert Zimmer quoted “ruled out wars or massacres as the cause.” Instead, “a political process” no doubt caused the Old Iberians to have no male descendants.

This line of thinking is a throwback to 20th Century progressive thought, which renamed the Battle-Axe Culture the Corded Ware Culture, and pooh-poohed ancient migrations with the idea that pots not people moved about. 20th Century progressives emphasized equality, universal principles, Nurture over Nature, social engineering, etc.

In contrast, 21st Century progressives’ worldviews are less boring. Today, they emphasize ancestral goodness (ours) and badness (yours), antiquarianism (Redlining!), and hereditary evil (white privilege). Who needs objective principles when it’s so much more satisfying and simple to just designate the hereditary Good Guys and the hereditary Bad Guys?

Thus, one iSteve commenter notes:

blank-misgivings says:

If they were smarter and more imaginative the SJW’s could start a campaign against our ‘Yamnaya’ legacy, rather than covering up their genocides. Weren’t these people the original white-ish demons, founders of the Indian caste system and systemic patriarchal violence in Europe?

Ancient Aryan barbarians will make fine Bad Guys because … well, first of all, they were. The DNA data suggests they were genocidal jerks.

Plus, the basic dynamic of the 21st Century is the Scramble for Europe and North America, places where the lucky locals have a high percentage of Aryan background. So demonizing their ancestors will be helpful in justifying their dispossession.

One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.

But, blank-misgivings’ idea is definitely more in line with the tenor of these times: demonize northern Europeans as having inherited the proto-Nazi/Putinesque Russian Aryan bad blood.

For example, New York Times opinion staffer Bari Weiss, who is sort of the Times‘ rightwing Sarah Jeong, tweeted today:

While Ms. Weiss’ obsession with smiting the Old Testament Amalekites and those she deems their descendants might seem eccentric, her general thrust is simply giving voice to the true progressive spirit of 2019: People I hate today are the vile heirs to the evil people my ancestors hated long ago and they deserve to pay for their race’s sins and privileges.

From Wikipedia’s article “Amalek:”

Commandment to exterminate the Amalekites
Commandments
Of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) followed by Orthodox Jews, three refer to the Amalek: to remember what the Amalekites did to the Israelites, not to forget what the Amalekites did to Israelites, and to destroy the Amalekites utterly. The rabbis derived these from Deuteronomy 25:17–18, Exodus 17:14 and 1 Samuel 15:3. Rashi explains the third commandment:

From man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, so that the name of Amalek not be mentioned even with reference to an animal by saying “This animal belonged to Amalek”.

As enumerated by Maimonides, the three mitzvot state:

598 Deut. 25:17 – Remember what Amalek did to the Israelites
599 Deut. 25:19 – Wipe out the descendants of Amalek
600 Deut. 25:19 – Not to forget Amalek’s atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert

Some commentators have discussed the ethical deficiency of the commandment to exterminate all the Amalekites, especially including the command to kill children, and the presumption of collective punishment.

Limitations
The commandment to kill Amalekites is not practiced by contemporary Jews, based on the argument that Sennacherib deported and mixed the nations, so it is no longer possible to determine who is an Amalekite.

Perhaps 23andMe could get to work on overcoming this technological challenge?

For example, Rabbi Hayim Palaggi stated:

We can rely on the maxim that in ancient times, Sennacherib confused the lineage of many nations.

In addition, many rabbinic authorities ruled that the commandment only applies to a Jewish king or organized community, and cannot be performed by an individual.

Maimonides explains that the commandment to destroy the nation of Amalek requires the Jewish people to peacefully request that they accept upon themselves the Seven Laws of Noah and pay a tax to the Jewish kingdom. Only if they refuse must they be physically killed.

A few authorities have ruled that the command never included killing Amalekites. R’ Samson Raphael Hirsch said that the command was to destroy “the remembrance of Amalek” rather than actual Amalekites; the Sfat Emet said that the command was to fully hate Amalek rather than performing any action; and the Chofetz Chaim said that God would perform the elimination of Amalek and Jews are only commanded to remember what Amalek did to them.

But these nice rabbis’ attempts to make the Amalekite stuff be not quite so bloodthirsty seem out of date, whereas Bari Weiss is in tune with the emerging Spirit of the Age: Racial Revenge.

 
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  1. AndrewR says:

    A WaPo writer openly calls people “neofascist garbage” for believing that whites are being replaced (a fact which leftists aren’t very shy about reminding us about).

  2. I’m uncertain if this is on-topic or not.

    (I felt a twinge of sympathy for Chelsea Clinton, although it could have been schadenfreude. So difficult to distinguish between the two.)

  3. Ibound1 says:

    Amalekites. Don’t hear that word too often. What about the Hittites? Or the Amorites? Or the Miller Lites?

  4. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    Ancient Aryan barbarians will make fine Bad Guys because … they were. Plus, the basic dynamic of the 21st Century is the Scramble for Europe and North America, places where the lucky locals have a high percentage of Aryan background.

    We may be descended from these brutal barbarians but…we are also descended from the people they oppressed – like Hispanics who are descended both from Conquistador oppressors and their Indian wives, or blacks who are descended from both slaves and the slavemasters who took sexual advantage of them.

    So what if we choose to identify with the conquered? In all likelihood they still supplied a larger share of our DNA than the horsemen who conquered them.

  5. “ruled out wars or massacres as the cause”

    From his perspective, it makes perfect sense to tell this ridiculous lie.

    According to him, throughout history, White Christians, and only White Christians, have been perpetrators of evil actions, and Jews have been their primary, almost exclusive, victims.

    Therefore, nothing bad could have possibly happened in Spain before White people became Christian, or before the arrival of Jews.

    How could evil deeds be done in the absence of narrative approved perpetrators or victims?

    All the world for all of history was peaceful and just before the arrival of “Amelek”, which Bari Weiss helpfully informs us is a code word for “White Christians”, used to dog-whistle hatred for White Christians.

  6. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    “A WaPo writer openly calls people “neofascist garbage” for believing that whites are being replaced (a fact which leftists aren’t very shy about reminding us about).”

    Every time a leftists states “whites are being replaced and they better learn to accept that” I get a screen cap. They come in handy, trust me.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Anonymous
  7. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    This is such a Steve Sailer story: 1990’s tech, elusive criminals, and the 2020 presidential election.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/josephmenn/status/1106578730904764416

  8. Dr. X says:

    Well, well, now. That’s not exactly what 1 Samuel 15 says, and Ms. (((Weiss))) damn well knows it. To the contrary, the god of the Jews, speaking through his prophet Samuel, instructs King Saul to be quite the terrorist himself, and to murder the Amalekite women and children:

    “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

    The problem is that Saul is not a bloodthirsty enough murderer to satisfy the Lord. After murdering the Amalekite women, children, and sucklings, he spares King Agag, and spares the oxen and the sheep and tries to cheat the god of the Jews by offering the Amalekite animals as a sacrifice — instead of sacrificing his own animals.

    Cheap bastard.

    The prophet Samuel is pissed off — because the god of the Jews had commanded Saul to slay everything:

    “And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed. Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?”

    So, to atone for Saul’s “sin” of not murdering every single living human and animal in the tribe of Amalek, Samuel gets Agag and hacks him to bits to please the Lord of the Jews:

    “Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD…”

    It’s completely perverse, and pure disinformation, for Weiss to try to retcon the story of the Amalekites into a fable for denouncing the New Zealand shooter.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Anon
  9. Back-and-forth in the steppes for a thousands of years: e.g. Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan… Asians. Then Tamerlane who loved piles of skulls, was a Muslim who killed other Muslims in addition to Hindus and Buddhists in India. 4000 years of endless warfare killing ended by the Russians stopping Tamerlane with artillery just before Columbus sailed West.

  10. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Purim’s next week. Amalek was the Jewish term for the 80,000 Persians they celebrate massacring. It’s a nice change from the usual Christian churches of Europe and FDR are responsible for the holofraud

  11. BenKenobi says:

    Semi OT:

    The Field Report That Never Was: Vancouver Molyneux Event

    This evening Stephan Molyneux was supposed to headline an event held by the Free Speech Club. The event was originally going to be held at UBC and later on added Lauren Southern as a speaker. My gf and I purchased tickets months ago.

    The event came under intense SJW and antifa pressure (insert Bane “of course”). The event was moved to the Hellenic Centre on Arbutus. The scheduled date stood for several weeks. The Hellenic Centre folded Tuesday evening. The event switched to a secret venue to be decided. Just today it was announced that the intended venue of Hard Rock Casino in the adjacent city of Burnaby is also cancelled, citing security concerns and an outrageous $$$ sum to be charged by the VPD no matter the venue or level of police presence.

    A loose coalition of Vancouver antifa groups have spent the fast few weeks spamming bomb-threats against every venue. 300 protestors were expected for the event. They now threaten the poor folks of the Hellenic Centre to recant and thank antifa lest they return for every Sunday service.

    In short another Establishment pincer. Over something as milquetoast as Moly.

    Feels bad, man.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Bill P
  12. The Amalekites! Savvy Jews shouldn’t mention these folks too much. They’ve been a target of Jewish genocide for nearly three millennia. The Torah commandments that Jews kill Amalekite men, women, children, and infants, wherever and whenever encountered, suggest a fanatical – borderline psychotic – obsession with avenging one’s own chosen people, no matter the cost to anyone outside the tribe.

  13. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Every time a leftists states “whites are being replaced and they better learn to accept that” I get a screen cap.

    Are you running out of disk space yet? ; )

    • LOL: jim jones
  14. @Anonymous

    Ancient Aryan barbarians will make fine Bad Guys because … they were.

    The other problem with demonizing the Aryans is that even if they were evil, they were obviously highly competent.

    Modern day SJWism isn’t satisfied with demonstrating moral superiority. It is also dedicated to “debunking” any claims of European competence or superiority. So even if Europeans are marked with evil genes, there mustn’t be any implication that these genes were also “superior” to those that they replaced in any way. (Which, of course, was the thesis of the Evil One, who cannot be right — even accidentally — about anything).

    With the Spanish conquistadors one can assert that it was the unfair advantages of infectious disease and superior technology that led a small band of Europeans to Conquer the entire New World in short order.

    But the demonizing of the ancient Aryans can only commence in earnest once the archaeologists come up with a reason that the Aryans only succeeded through some “unfair” means.

    (Note: Another likely SJW strategy would be to simply define the Aryans as “Asians,” in which case their conquest can be celebrated as a triumph of “diversity.”)

    • Replies: @Bill P
  15. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    New Zealand has its share of Mossad activity. I remember the article about the phony NZ passports that they seem to favor.

    NZ is probably the softest Five Eyes target.

    The manifesto from the latest international man of mystery is an obvious psy-op. Gratuitous trolling. Did the shooter even actually write it?

    The Vegas shooter and Boston bombers were real patsies but this guy was higher level. The Daily Mail backgrounder claims he was not a good student but this was a high IQ individual. His tweet from the Pakistani hotel he visited is half nature boy wonderment and half politically aware whingeing.

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: IHTG
  16. Paul says:

    Bari Weiss presumably is confident that none of the victims were Palestinians.

  17. Bill P says:

    I thought Palestinians were typically the stand-ins for Amelekites. Well, I guess it’s a flexible concept. We’re all potential Amalekites. Kind of creepy, but there you go.

  18. But the expert Zimmer quoted “ruled out wars or massacres as the cause.” Instead, “a political process” no doubt caused the Old Iberians to have no male descendants.

    It probably was a political process, as in: “We held an election and decided to kill you and take your women.”

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  19. This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember–and to blot out–the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites. Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    Question for Bari–who would the occupants of ancient Jericho think were the genocidal assholes?

  20. blank-misgivings:

    If they were smarter and more imaginative the SJW’s could start a campaign against our ‘Yamnaya’ legacy, rather than covering up their genocides. Weren’t these people the original white-ish demons, founders of the Indian caste system and systemic patriarchal violence in Europe?

    Northern Euros will embrace a resurging Indo-Aryan creed of cyclical destruction and rebirth: Despite Ms. Weiss’s chutzpah huffery, the future will be decided by Gauleiter Ganesh, Regulator of Rodents. (#177)

    Namaste.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  21. Of course she’s allowed to nurse ancient hatreds but Arabs in Ramallah should let bygones be bygones, move on with their lives and stop teaching their kids to hate so much.

  22. syonredux says:

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember–and to blot out-

    ……Let’s go to the text….

    1 Samuel 15:3 King James Version (KJV)
    3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    Sounds kinda, you know, genocidal….

    -the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites. Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    ……Going full Biblical, huh? So, exterminate every White person in New Zealand/Australia?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  23. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    We may be descended from these brutal barbarians but…we are also descended from the people they oppressed –like Hispanics who are descended both from Conquistador oppressors and their Indian wives,

    The Indian wives were Aztecs who conquered the other Indians in the valley of Mexico and practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism on a massive scale. The hapless Indian victims of the Aztecs also practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism when they were on top.

    So if you are a Mexican, here is the heritage score card:

    Aztecs – practiced massacre, torture, conquest, slavery, human sacrifice, and cannibalism.
    Spaniards – practiced massacre, torture, conquest, and slavery. To their great credit they were appalled by the human sacrifice and cannibalism they found in Tenochtitlan.

    If I were a Mexican I would happily celebrate both ancestral lines. I would praise all that was noteworthy or heroic about Cortez and Moctezuma, and forget the rest.

    So what if we choose to identify with the conquered?

    I chose to identify with the conquerors, as they are doers of great deeds. For every massacre commited by the Romans there is an aqueduct to marvel at. You should be proud of your ancestors and don’t let anybody tell you different.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  24. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Ancient Aryan barbarians… were genocidal jerks.

    I chuckled: “genocidal” and “jerks” don’t quite sit comfortably together. Reminds me of a Norm MacDonald joke.

  25. You know, they compared the DNA results of two different companies on the same person and got two different results. But you guys don’t think of things like that. You just worship science the way some people worship Baal.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  26. Weiss seems to be arguing that it is alright for progressives, such as herself, to eliminate their enemies by any means necessary. Of course, Weiss and her kind generally prefer it when others do their dirty work for them.

  27. Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    So Amalek’s modern heirs include the enemies of Muslims. I am sure Ilhan Omar will be glad to read that.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  28. “Ancient Aryan barbarians will make fine Bad Guys because … well, first of all, they were. The DNA data suggests they were genocidal jerks.”

    Who were the good guys? Did ancient Aryans understand the concept of genocide? Or were they just illustrating the concept of “survival of the fittest” seen throughout nature?

    Heck, they probably drove a few non human species to extinction too, like their Amerindian contemporaries. didn’t they know what an endangered species was?

    I suggest we dig up all of their remains, try them at Nuremberg and throw them in prison for the rest of their half-life.

  29. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s put a scorpion and a spider together in a cage and discover what beautiful works of interspecies-diversity kumbaya-ism they create! Oops, they killed each other? Well, they just need to learn to be multi-cultural.

    Let’s force people to live collectively and teach them the wonders of our communal model! Oh, they didn’t work with the same alacrity for the collective interest as they had for their own? No, we didn’t make any fundamentally wrong assumptions about human nature, we just need to educate them more aggressively about the benefits of working really hard while their comrade sits on his rump.

    Let’s force people of diverse religious and racial backgrounds to live together in the same towns! Oh, this shattered the harmony, community and esprit de corps of their village? Well, they’re just racists expressing a primitive tribal urge to promote their own genetic interests by affiliating, intermarrying and behaving nepotisticly towards their own genetic kin. Don’t they know that diversity is their strength? (And that war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is enlightenment?)

    We must smash this primeval urge of tribalism that’s evolved through millions of years of Darwinian selection, and rewire everyone to express altruism to out groups equal to that which they give their own. Furthermore, parents should not be able to raise their own children or leave them an inheritance — that’s genetic favoritism of the highest order. And, some parents may be better at raising their children than others are. That would perpetuate privilege. Saving for one’s children’s tuition? Racism. (The Jews are exempt from this policy, of course. We don’t want to be labeled anti-Semitic for shutting down Jewish day schools.)

    Who knows better than a billion years of Darwinian selection how best to organize human’s behavior? Why, the diversity commissars do, of course. Just as they knew better with Communism (and Freudianism, Talmudism, Randian Objectivism, Friedanian Feminism and Cultural Marxism).

    They say that if you want to know someone’s true feelings, priorities and values, you should look at what they do and not what they say. Consequently, white Christians should copy everything Israelis does vis-a-vis their immigration, social, foreign and military policies, and ignore everything that their Jewish owned media *tells them* that they should be doing (propaganda poison). (Minus all the really sadistic stuff, like shooting children playing soccer on a beach).

    Btw, how much attention is an attack on a Mosque in Christchurch (hmm, Mosque in Christchurch) getting in contrast to that given to bombings on Churches in Lahore and Peshawar?

  30. Interesting thoughts. Who were the terrorists that brought down the twin towers? Was MAjor Hassan part of this group? The Orlando and San Bernardino killers? I am getting very confused.

  31. I would have thought the antecedents of a modern mass murderer with ethnic motivations would have been those Jews who “blotted out” the Amaleks, not the Amaleks.

    Did Jews invent the concept of genocide and were they the first to put it into practice?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  32. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Seriously, this is one of the clearer examples from the Bible, where there is an explicit call for genocide. How does Weiss not know this?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Stebbing Heuer
  33. Bill P says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Aryans were “beyond good and evil.”

    Actually, they were before good and evil. They didn’t have the Christian sense of either, because they were barbarous peoples.

    Their concept of “good” was more like “brave” or “useful.” Evil was more like “weak,” “noxious” or “dangerous.” The universal concepts, which probably first arose with the Zoroastrians (civilized Aryans themselves, btw), did not make their way to Europe for a long time, and then through Levantine intermediaries.

    American Indians, prior to evangelization, were the same way.

    It’s almost as though the teachings of Jesus Christ made a difference. Maybe people who want to throw all that out ought to reconsider. For their own good, I might add.

  34. One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.

    And isn’t it interesting that people of this privileged caste present themselves to us merely as “Indians”, an oppressed minority. They immigrate, and immediately class themselves as victims of oppression by us.

    The lower castes, if they manage to escape from India, do not complain. Most of them learned generations ago to keep their mouths shut about oppression.

    Donald Trump proposes that America should not admit people who will immediately need to use welfare. Our countries should also refuse to admit people who will immediately claim that we are oppressing them. We have more than enough oppressed minorities already!

  35. anon[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    And not just any call for genocide. But a delayed call by the Hebrew God several centuries after the Amalekites initially wronged the Israelites.

  36. @Anonymous

    “In all likelihood they still supplied a larger share of our DNA than the horsemen who conquered them.”

    Seems to be the case, as far as I’ve seen. I posted my results, as calculated by FTDNA, that I was 11% “Metal Age Invader,” and the rest of my DNA was about evenly split between hunter gatherer and early European farmer. I noted I was surprised by that, but many others piped up that they were about the same, and had seen many with similar results. The 100% Y DNA replacement in Iberia is an outlier. Most places the replacement rate was 60% to 80%, and over time the percentage of Aryan DNA was diluted in most European populations.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    FWIW, BBC has more detail on this supposed political process:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47540792

    Co-author Iñigo Olalde … said: “It would be a mistake to jump to the conclusion that Iberian men were killed or forcibly displaced.” He added: “The archaeological record gives no clear evidence of a burst of violence in this period.”

    Instead, the high social status of male newcomers may have been linked to greater reproductive success. “Their male descendants would have inherited the wealth and social status, and themselves also had much higher reproductive success,” Dr Olalde told BBC News.

    A system that emphasised male power and inheritance could have been key: “A patrilineal and possibly patriarchal social structure would further amplify the observed patterns, as possibly only the first-born son would inherit the clan’s properties, whereas the other sons would move out and try to established their own clans, further spreading their Y lineages over new territories,” he said.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  38. ‘This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember–and to blot out–the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites. Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.’

    Now, I haven’t really looked at this carefully — but were ‘the ancient Israelites’ all that nice themselves? I mean, the whole thing is a fairy, but even going by the fairy tale…

  39. Elephantine memory of America’s Purimtanical elite is just another trope that keeps on troping :

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. @Joe Walker

    ‘So Amalek’s modern heirs include the enemies of Muslims. I am sure Ilhan Omar will be glad to read that.’

    Inasmuch as Islam sees itself as Judaism purified of the corruptions that crept in over time, you’re righter than you know.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  41. So I guess this means Weiss and her ilk are tired of the Palestinians as neo-Amalekites. Blotting out such supine nemeses has all the bad optics of genocide. …Smart move for a very smart people. If they ever shake that repellent tendency to blow smoke up their own ass they will be irresistible.

  42. @AndrewR

    At this point, can we afford to give a damn what they call us?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  43. Svigor says:

    Ancient Aryan barbarians will make fine Bad Guys because … well, first of all, they were. The DNA data suggests they were genocidal jerks.

    Fucking )))BASED!!!(((

  44. Svigor says:

    For example, New York Times opinion editor Bari Weiss, who is sort of the Times‘ rightwing Sarah Jeong, tweeted today:

    I just want to give a shout-out to the awesome power of Bari Weiss’ glasses. I watched a good bit of her appearance on Joe Rogan’s show and came away with a fairly strong desire to smash her. Then I G**gle image-ed her and was aghast at how unattractive she was. 2+2=damn those glasses made a difference!

  45. Svigor says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m sometimes fascinated by subjects like this. Got a link for the TL;DR version of how Islam sees itself as Judaism purified?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  46. Hhh says:

    Jpod RTed the Bari tweet

  47. @Dr. X

    It’s been said many times, but bears repeating:

    The Jewish and Christian Bibles (AKA Old & New Testament) are diametrically opposed.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  48. @AndrewR

    A WaPo writer openly calls people “neofascist garbage” for believing that whites are being replaced (a fact which leftists aren’t very shy about reminding us about).

    Consider their world. They’re engaged in intense gentrification of non-white neighborhoods.

  49. @Bill P

    It’s almost as though the teachings of Jesus Christ made a difference.

    I like Italians more than Romans. Roman civilization has its strengths, but it’s like a culture of NFL team owners.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  50. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Limitations
    The commandment to kill Amalekites is not practiced by contemporary Jews

    Citation needed.

  51. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    Seems to be the case, as far as I’ve seen. I posted my results, as calculated by FTDNA, that I was 11% “Metal Age Invader,” and the rest of my DNA was about evenly split between hunter gatherer and early European farmer. I noted I was surprised by that, but many others piped up that they were about the same, and had seen many with similar results. The 100% Y DNA replacement in Iberia is an outlier. Most places the replacement rate was 60% to 80%, and over time the percentage of Aryan DNA was diluted in most European populations.

    Unless these statements only refer Y DNA, they are consistent with 100% Y DNA replacement.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  52. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    Note that these individuals merely are “among” Amalek’d heirs. Implies she sees many more Amalekd in the world to “blot out.”

  53. SF says:

    The study had 153 samples, presumably about half before and half after. That may not be enough to conclude 100% Y chromosome replacement. There are probably a lot of mountainous areas in Spain where horses and chariots aren’t such an advantage

  54. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Can you make a public archive? Or perhaps Ron could set up a folder we could post them to here.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  55. @Steve Sailer

    It’s almost as though the teachings of Jesus Christ made a difference.

    I like Italians more than Romans. Roman civilization has its strengths, but it’s like a culture of NFL team owners.

    Was there anyone in ancient Rome like Catherine of Siena? I went to a lecture about her tonight. It was mostly on her spiritual treatises, barely touching on her accomplishments:

    Her influence with Pope Gregory XI played a role in his decision to leave Avignon for Rome. She was then sent by him to negotiate peace with Florence…

    The Great Schism of the West led Catherine of Siena to go to Rome with the pope. She sent numerous letters to princes and cardinals to promote obedience to Pope Urban VI and defend what she calls the “vessel of the Church.”

    She was canonized in 1461, declared patron saint of Rome in 1866, and of Italy in 1939. The first woman declared “doctor of the Church” on 4 October 1970 by Pope Paul VI with Teresa of Ávila, she was proclaimed patron saint of Europe in 1999 by Pope John Paul II.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Siena

    Then there’s this:

    She is also the patron saint of journalists, media, and all communication professions, because of her epistolary work for the papacy.

    Now you know upon whom to call!

    • Replies: @Anon
  56. @Svigor

    ‘I’m sometimes fascinated by subjects like this. Got a link for the TL;DR version of how Islam sees itself as Judaism purified?’

    The Quran will work. Muhammad makes multiple claims to that effect.

  57. “Maimonides explains that the commandment to destroy the nation of Amalek requires the Jewish people to peacefully request that they accept upon themselves the Seven Laws of Noah and pay a tax to the Jewish kingdom.

    Only if they refuse must they be physically killed.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_and_Sharing_Day

  58. dvorak says:

    Lol at these ever-genocidal Jews. (From time immemorial).

    BTW there’s no good evidence that Jews journeyed from Egypt. If they didn’t journey from Egypt then they weren’t waylaid during said alleged journey.

    It’s a ‘we wasn’t kangs’ tale … Law and Order SJW … to incite revenge against the out-group.

  59. Carl Zimmer sounds like he’s sold out to the Basque lobby.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  60. @Ibound1

    Didn’t Deborah Lipstadt brand David Irving as Amalek?

    Anyway, this level of historical memory is impressive. Tarrant couldn’t make it back further than Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours in 732.

  61. “One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.”

    I don’t think that’s a problem. Current Hindu Nationalism rejects the Aryan Invasion ‘theory’ – India has never been conquered! So high caste Indians are not Aryans.

    On a related note, there is an obvious ‘unfair technological advantage’ the ancient Aryans had. Apart from being cow-herding milk-drinkers, they had the Wheel, as commemorated in this famous Aryan stylised depiction:

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  62. One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.

    Typing “Aryan” into a FaceBook search comes up with a seemingly endless number of Indian guys with the given name “Aryan.” I scrolled through a few hundred before giving up.

  63. One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.

    So it appears.

    If additional proof is required…

  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Lord Ganesha tells us that the Israel lobby has Aryans surrounded but he’s above them both.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  65. @International Jew

    I liked reading your stuff International Jew. I’ll miss reading it.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  66. Didn’t those fortresses Increase Local Property Values, though? That would make theAryan Imvasion a Good Thing, right?

  67. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed.

    Any reading of the Old Testament reveals that the Israelites were exceedingly ‘ethnocentric’, ‘patrilineal’, ‘exclusionary’ and ‘tribalist’. Apparently more so than the Steppe folk ever were. The whole of this Scripture can be read as an exercise in ‘ ethnic genetic self-interest’ more than anything else – it is *the* thread which pervades and illuminates the whole.

    The unavoidable upshot is that until historically recent times we can be quite certain that *all* of humanity was organised on this basis – and this basis was honed, perhaps even hardwired in behavioral genetics, over countless millennia.

  68. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    NFL owners who spectating in ‘games’ where ‘goals’ were public murders.

  69. Aryans didn’t commit any unique crimes.

    But they have given the world unique gifts.

  70. @donald j ingle

    donald j ingle asked:

    Did Jews invent the concept of genocide and were they the first to put it into practice?

    Well… “genocide” is an ambiguous concept: the Amalekites would not count as a race, maybe not even an ethnic group, today: in ancient Palestine, the different polities were tiny, sort of like counties today.

    Sort of as if we thought of Brooklynites, Manhattanites, and Staten Islanders as separate races.

    Also, much of the nastiness in the Old Testament did not really happen: for example, archaeology indicates that Joshua’s conquests never occurred.

    The interesting question is why later Jews in the ancient world reveled in these (largely fictitious) stories of mass murder ordered by their tribal god, YHWH. As far as I can tell, the ancient Jews may have been the first to celebrate the idea of mass murder in the name of religion, a supposedly universalist religion.

    Of course, the Jews rarely had the power to actually carry out these fantasies. Unfortunately, Christians and Muslims inherited the fantasies but often did have the power to carry them out in practice, sometimes, ironically, at the expense of the Jews.

    It would have been good for civilization if early on everyone had accepted that YHWH was just one more ugly local war god, on the same level as Chemosh of Moab or Qos of Edom.

    Alas, actual belief in YHWH has still not died out, and we are still paying the price today.

  71. @Mr McKenna

    McKenna wrote:

    The Jewish and Christian Bibles (AKA Old & New Testament) are diametrically opposed.

    Well… the OT is filled with (largely fanciful) claims of how the Jews gloriously murdered the enemies of YHWH.

    The NT tells how those who do not accept the newest edition of the YHWH myth (the Son/Logos edition) are going to be brutally tortured in Hell for all eternity.

    From which numerous Christians have decided they might as well get a head start and begin torturing and murdering infidels and heretics before they actually end up in Hell where they will be tortured by YHWH.

    If it’s good enough for YHWH, why not imitate him?

    An elaboration of OT barbarism, to be sure, but hardly “diametrically opposed.”

  72. But the expert Zimmer quoted “ruled out wars or massacres as the cause.” Instead, “a political process” no doubt caused the Old Iberians to have no male descendants.

    Belief Preservation is one hell of a drug.

  73. @anon

    Belief Preservation is one hell of a drug.

  74. @Anonymous

    Ockham’s Razor says ‘no’.

  75. Antonius says:
    @AndrewR

    #Nous sommes tout les Amalekites

  76. Cpluskx says:

    Aryans are mix of Yamnaya-Descendant Sintashta people and Iranian farmers of Central Asia.

    Europeans are mix of Yamnaya-descendants (likely Corded Ware people) and Anatolian farmers.

    Yamnaya itself is a mixture of Eastern European hunter gatherers who are descendants of ANE people (who are partially mongoloid with Siberian origins) and Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, a group which is ancestrally very close to -earlier- Iranian Farmers.

    Original homeland of Proto-Indo-Europan language is still unknown. Earliest Indo-European speakers, Hittites do not have any Yamnaya ancestry. Also there doesn’t seem to be much movement from Near East to Yamnaya too.

    The language either came with the ANE people or Caucasian Hunter Gatherers.

  77. @PhysicistDave

    It would have been good for civilization if early on everyone had accepted that YHWH was just one more ugly local war god

    Well, I don’t care for the “ugly” part, but otherwise you’ve got it basically right. Certainly the Old Testament agrees with you; there are lots of other gods running around there and the OT’s attitude isn’t the modern one that those gods are just lumps of stone. They’re very much real, they’re just not as great as the God of the Hebrews (though of course the Phoenicians, Assyrians, Moabites etc would disagree).

    I often wish that the Christians had gone off and found themselves a god all their own, rather than glomming on to ours. It would have been better for all concerned. Certainly, we would have been spared the resentment over being God’s chosen people. Before the Christians came on the scene, every people had their own god whose “chosen people” they got to be. And we Hebrews/Jews were just one of those many peoples, so of course we were our God’s chosen; everyone was their god’s chosen people. That’s just how it worked!

  78. Hank Yobo says:
    @PhysicistDave

    archaeology indicates

    How many tells are there in the Middle East? How many tells have archaeologists surveyed? What percentage of each of these surveyed sites have been thoroughly examined? What does archaeology actually indicate?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  79. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    why is understanding life is essentially a genetic competition a bad thing its actually the only objective good we can know and most probably the only “good” there is. Survive by any means possible to replicate. life only continues because the strongest at any given moment replace any lifeform they can with their own dna, they may be destined to be replaced in the next go round or they may hold the genetic lottery ticket they cant know theirs is not to reason why theirs is just to do or die. whether they vanquish or are vanquished they have done their duty to life and played their part. the proces can not happen if they get all fagotty and start flipping tortoises unless they flip them because they stay fresher that way

  80. For those curious about the ramifications of “Amalek”, a rabbi at an influential synagogue in Los Angeles explains it all for you in this handy video:

    If you start from about the 40-minute mark, the rabbi explains that Amalek today is represented by Western countries, which must be destroyed so that the Messiah can return. (He also explains that it is acceptable to murder babies if you think they are likely to grow up to be “Hitler”.) Naturally, of course, it’s OK for him to say this; for you to say it makes you an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and Nazi who should be ostracized, censored, fired, “punched”, or even fined or jailed depending on your jurisdiction.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  81. @Anonymous

    They are percentages of autosomal DNA. My Y DNA is not Indo European.

  82. Anon7 says:

    You said

    One practical problem here is that South Asian brahmins make up an ever growing fraction of articulate SJWs in America, and, like most P0Cs in 2019, they are proud of their ancestors.

    We need to take a page out of the SJW playbook, and point out that if you’re disgusted by white people who enslaved blacks for a couple hundred years in the New World, the idea of one group (Brahmins) in the Old World repressing all other parts of society for millennia is truly horrific.

  83. Saxon says:
    @obwandiyag

    That settles it. Heredity isn’t real and I can just magically make black babies with a white woman. Sure thing, my dude.

  84. @Simon in London

    “there is an obvious ‘unfair technological advantage’ the ancient Aryans had. Apart from being cow-herding milk-drinkers, they had the Wheel”

    Wasn’t their real secret weapon the horse? The Corded Ware/Battleaxe/Aryan/Yamnaya were mobile, fast and terrifying at a time when even the high civilizations of the Fertile Crescent were just using donkey carts and chariots, when they weren’t walking, which was most of the time.

    Donkey power is generally reckoned at 1/3 of a horsepower, so right off the bat, the Yamnaya had a 3× advantage over their settled neighbors. Then among the settled civilizations, charioteering was only a pastime for the nobility, while Yamnaya society was nomadic, with most if not all free men being horsemen. So, conservatively, that could bestow another 3⅓× advantage, for a 10× net advantage of the Yamnaya over their settled neighbors. Of such advantages are historic changes made.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  85. @Bill P

    Their [the Aryans] concept of “good” was more like “brave” or “useful.” Evil was more like “weak,” “noxious” or “dangerous.”

    Makes sense. Is there evidence from the time to support this?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Bill P
  86. bored identity just can’t get enough of that cheeky, shapeshiftin’ Bari-tone Weiss :

  87. Ibound1 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The West had and has 1000 times the power advantage over the third world and the Muslim world. Yet they invade us.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  88. midtown says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Recently, after reading in Judges and looking at some maps of ancient Israel, I realized that Amman, Jordan, is the ancient capital of the Ammonites — famous for child sacrifice to Moloch. Isn’t that nice.

  89. Hunsdon says:

    I am not sure if I originated the phrase who now remembers the amalekites? However, I did come up with it independently. I, of course, intended it as a play on words on Hitler reportedly saying, who now remembers the Armenians?

  90. @International Jew

    I often wish that the Christians had gone off and found themselves a god all their own, rather than glomming on to ours.

    We in the West often wish that the Jews had gone off and found themselves a civilization all their own, rather than glomming on to ours. But watcha gonna do?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  91. Dr. X says:
    @International Jew

    I often wish that the Christians had gone off and found themselves a god all their own, rather than glomming on to ours.

    Properly understood, the god of Christianity cannot be the god of Judaism. In Christianity, “God is love” and all people may attain salvation through his grace.

    In Judaism, god is death — death to the enemies of Israel. Haman and his sons, the Egyptian firstborn sons in the crib, the Egyptian Army, the tribe of Amalek, the Canaanites — they are all either murdered by the god of the Jews, or murdered by the Jews themselves according to his command.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @International Jew
  92. Tex says:

    Sex with a chariot riding barbarian is beautiful and jasmine scented. The native Iberians no doubt said, “Expecting to procreate with our wives again the will of their barbarian conquerors would only lower us to their level.” Then they straightened their bowties and sent more financial aid to Tartessus.

    • Replies: @Anon
  93. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Federalist

    It’s like you don’t even believe in Crom (but it’s okay if you don’t, because Crom doesn’t believe in you).

  94. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    And yet he has allowed himself to be encased in the handle of a dreidl.
    >And now Ganesh, we are the ones who are behind you!

  95. syonredux says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Pinker has a line to the effect that the ancient Israelites thought that genocide was a bad thing…..when it happened to them.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  96. @iSteve

    This wasn’t the Yamnaya who invaded Iberia, it was the Bell Beakers, who had some Yamnaya ancestry, but were otherwise very different.

    The Yamnaya weren’t Aryans; “Aryan” is a later thing that evolved out of the Indo-Iranians (Andronovo/Sintashta), both back-migrations to the steppe from Europe.

  97. Bill P says:
    @Federalist

    Sure, lots. Start with the Iliad and work your way through the pagan epics all the way to the Norse sagas.

    In some of the later sagas one can discern the transition point. Njal’s Saga, for example, depicts a society in which the Christian concept of good and evil is beginning to prevail over the old outlook but still has a ways to go before being universally accepted.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @anon
  98. lavoisier says: • Website
    @San Fernando Curt

    At this point, can we afford to give a damn what they call us?

    We cannot afford to ignore where their hatred of us could lead.

    Think of the Bolsheviks and what resulted from their hatred.

    We are living in very dangerous times.

  99. lavoisier says: • Website

    Perhaps 23andMe could get to work on overcoming this technological challenge?

    They have been working on it I am pleased to report.

    Apparently the modern day descendants of the Amalekites are indeed what Bari Weiss has suspected all along:

    White men who previously supported Donald Trump.

    And the Covington kids also have a lot of Amalekite DNA.

  100. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. X

    Typical Jewish bible story.

  101. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Allan Gordon

    What synagogue? What’s his name? I couldn’t get the sound high enough plus I have a hard time enduring videos.

    I plan to report him to city county state and federa authority’s for hate speech and advocating genocide and whatever I can find in the legal codes.

    I try to do my bit to harass the enemies of Whites. Won’t cost much to get some dvds made. It doesn’t ever work, but it makes me feel better.

  102. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tex

    Bias and bigotry towards barbarian invaders is just “not who we are. “

    We must send our wives and daughters to welcome them.

  103. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Allan Gordon

    I believe india, Hindu India has the worst rape rate in the world also worst rate of prosecution of rapists.

  104. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @bored identity

    Haman’s ears they cut off. Interesting that the Persian historians have no record of the massacre.

  105. @International Jew

    International Jew wrote to me:

    Well, I don’t care for the “ugly” part, but otherwise you’ve got it basically right.

    Of course, I did not mean that YHWH was ugly in a literal, physical sense, but rather that he was morally “ugly.” I’m not picking on ancient Israel in particular: from what I hear, Chemosh and Qos and many other ancient Near Eastern gods were also pretty nasty dudes.

    It would probably be as bad if Chemosh or Qos had somehow becomoe the universal God. The ancient Near East was a pretty rough place.

    But, it would be nice if most people today could view these gods from the same distance that we take when we view other despicable aspects of the ancient world: the vicious gladiatorial games, the horror of curcifixion, ancient slavery, and all the rest. Unfortunately, all too many people today really do take the OT, the NT, or the Quran as truly “Holy Writ.”

    One of the ironies here is that though ancient Jews started this whole mess, modern Jews probably have a saner attitude towards the ancient scriptures than most modern Christians or modern Muslims.

    • Replies: @Anon
  106. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I prefer Saint Barbara; patron saint of bomb makers dynamite workers snipers riflemen grenade throwers and oh yes, firefighters

    She’s what we need nowadays.

    She was popular among the blasters in the Nevada silver mines. Lots of Irish familiar with saints White working men who built this country. Drill a hole in the exact right place in the rock face. Stick the exact amount of dynamite in the hole. Light the fuses and run like hell.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  107. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The Roman Empire was entirely built on slavery. The great engineering feats, the highway system, court system, fire department most of the work was done by slaves.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  108. @Hank Yobo

    Hank Yobo wrote to me:

    How many tells are there in the Middle East? How many tells have archaeologists surveyed? What percentage of each of these surveyed sites have been thoroughly examined? What does archaeology actually indicate?

    Well… a lot of digging has been done at Jericho: the consensus among archaeologists is that the walls just did not come tumblin’ down any time that would work for Joshua’s Conquest.

    More broadly, archaeological digs throughout Palestine just do not find signs of the Conquest.

    With regard to the Exodus, you might claim that archaeologists have not yet dug up all of the Sinai and the Negev, and so maybe they just missed the relevant sites. But, the OT protrays the Exodus as a devastating occurrence for Egypt, physically and demographically. Yet, neither archeaological digs nor ancient Egyptian records show any hint of all the miraculously horrifying events of the Exodus.

    And, then there are all the internal contradictions within the OT itself.

    It’s hard to find anything in the OT before, say, about the time of Omri that is backed up by archaeology or contemporaneous documents.

    Now, just maybe Paul Bunyan and his blue ox Babe and Joseph the son of Jacob were both real people. But, if so, we can be pretty sure that the detailed stories about both Paul Bunyan and Joseph are very badly garbled.

    And, it’s still happening today.

    Do you remember the story floating around the Web just a few years ago that NASA scientists, doing computer calculations on the past behavior of celestial objects, discovered that the “missing day” in the book of Joshua really happened?

    Utter nonsense, of course, but I ran into people who bought the lie.

    If people can buy that kind of nonsense even today, with all the resources we have to discover and debunk lies, it is easy to see how people in OT times bought the fake news of the Exodus, the Conquest, the battle of Jericho, and indeed the “missing day” in Joshua 10.

    No, I am afraid that archaeology, ancient documents, and the internal contradictions in the OT itself all point in the same direction: the OT is largely a fake, mixed in with some actual (garbled) history from around the time of Omri and after.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  109. Bill P says:
    @BenKenobi

    Why do these people insist on holding events in municipalities controlled by hard left progs?

    Just go to a more conservative suburb or town in the area and do it there. Antifa won’t show up where the local government doesn’t have their back, because they know they’ll actually be prosecuted for their criminal antics.

    If people can go through the hassle of navigating and finding parking in a big city to see someone in person, they can just as easily drive a half hour out of town.

    Here in the states I’d suggest holding an event on federal property if possible. That gives you a lot more 1st amendment protection, and any bomb/terrorist threats would have to be taken seriously.

  110. @Anon

    Barbara’s the one who had her teats ripped off, isn’t she? Weirdly appropriate for munitions men.

  111. @Bill P

    Did Egil predate Njal?

    Egil got drunk and angry, then tore his host’s eye out. Not the Christian thing for a guest to do.

  112. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Njal’s Saga, for example, depicts a society in which the Christian concept of good and evil is beginning to prevail over the old outlook but still has a ways to go before being universally accepted.

    At the time of Cortes’s conquest there was one city on the opposite side of the lake from Tenochtitlan that had discontinued the practice of human sacrifice and cannibalism.
    The Aztecs were continually attacking this city attempting to conquer it. Any of its warriors captured by Aztecs would have been tortured, sacrificed, roasted and eaten in full view of the defenders, including their immediate family. The religious justification for human sacrifice and cannibalism was well established among all people of the valley, and would have been imbedded in the history of this city.
    And yet this city had changed their view and forbade these practices. They forbade these practices against their enemies even as they watched their enemies commit the atrocities against their own kin.
    These people of course would have killed any Aztecs they captured. But they did not ritually sacrifice and eat them.
    I wonder what their motive was? What were the emotions and arguments that developed that caused them to turn their backs on this barbarism?

  113. @Anon

    Anon[257] wrote to me:

    The Roman Empire was entirely built on slavery. The great engineering feats, the highway system, court system, fire department most of the work was done by slaves.

    Is that true? I would have thought that a lot of the work, especially out in the provinces, was done by conscripting local labor.

    Of course, if your point is that the Romans, especially the Roman government and ruling class, were not very nice people, I concur. I am always bemused by people who ooh and aah over the (admittedly impressive) engineering achievements of the ancient world, from the Pyramids onward, without considering the human suffering that went into their construction.

  114. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Going off on a tangent, it is curious that the original Anglo-Saxon word for ‘evil’, that is ‘bad’ is a derived word, from ‘baedell’ which originally meant ‘hermaphrodite’ or ‘homosexual’.

    The historic implications are obvious.

    Suffice to say that it has been surmised that many of the spectacularly well preserved ‘bog bodies’ retrieved from the bottoms of anaerobic marshlands in northern Europe, (natural tannins in the water did their tanning job to give the outward appearance of ‘humanoid’ leather suitcases, UK Labour MP Diane Abbott not withstanding), were in fact the forensic evidence of ancient, judicial ‘gay bashing’.

  115. Hank Yobo says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Well… a lot of digging has been done at Jericho: the consensus among archaeologists is that the walls just did not come tumblin’ down any time that would work for Joshua’s Conquest.

    Kenyon v. Garstang/Wood? If you knew much about Near Eastern archaeology, then you would be aware that there is very little consensus about anything except for very broad periods of time. Older findings get reexamined and revised; texts/hieroglyphs are reinterpreted; new material is discovered. Archaeology is in a constant state of flux. Perhaps human fallibility doesn’t haunt the world of physics, but it sure does other academic disciplines, including archaeology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @PhysicistDave
  116. @Ibound1

    power = means × will

    — Steve Know, US Army War College

    Third world power = 1 × 1000 = 1000

    Western power = 1000 × 0.001 = 1

  117. CB says:

    I was blissfully unaware of Bari Weiss until I stumbled on comedian Jimmy Dore dissecting her appearance with Joe Rogan (Jimmy Dore ROASTS NYT journo Bari Weiss). Of course, Rogan dissects her himself, revealing a crazed, uninformed neocon version of the old Saturday Night Live character Mary Katherine Gallagher. If you’ve got 20 minutes to laugh at the low bar now set for mainstream journalists, check it out.

  118. lavoisier says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    Romans were assholes of the highest order.

    Any group of people who used crucifixion as much as they did to terrorize their slaves are pretty much scum regardless of the aqueducts and the stadiums.

    Nothing very noble about the Roman Empire.

    I always rooted for Spartacus and reading the story of how he lost the war that he could have won has always bothered me.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @Anon
  119. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hank Yobo

    Perhaps human fallibility doesn’t haunt the world of physics, but it sure does other academic disciplines, including archaeology.

    It doesn’t haunt the world of history either.

  120. @lavoisier

    Have you noticed the affinity many in the dissident right camp have for strongmen? Otherwise intelligent dissident rightists have a puerile fetish for the likes of Pinochet. They yearn for a mass murderer to remove their chestnuts from the fire.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  121. @PhysicistDave

    Those who ooh and aah over such engineering feats tend to, in my experience, overlook the spectacular misallocation of resources attendant thereto.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  122. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Romans were assholes of the highest order.

    Any group of people who used crucifixion as much as they did to terrorize their slaves are pretty much scum regardless of the aqueducts and the stadiums.

    Nothing very noble about the Roman Empire.

    Oh, please. Who are you to criticize the Romans, pajama boy? You are describing the essential behavior of every Kingdom of antiquity. You are picking out one behavior to condemn a group in terms of your modern ethics. Grow up.

    If not, maybe you can give us a similarly low IQ dissertation on the Jewish total and completely barbaric genocide of Cyprus citizens that managed to shock the Romans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    …major uprisings by ethnic Judeans in Cyrenaica, Cyprus and Egypt spiraled out of control, resulting in a widespread slaughter of left-behind Roman garrisons and Roman citizens by Jewish rebels. Some of the areas with the heaviest massacres were left so utterly annihilated that others moved in to settle these areas to prevent their complete depopulation.

    The 4th century Christian historian Orosius records that the violence so depopulated the province of Cyrenaica that new colonies had to be established by Hadrian:

    “The Jews … waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.”

    Dio Cassius states of Jewish insurrectionaries:

    “‘Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in two, from the head downwards. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, also, they performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by force of the wind, he is put to death. Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by Trajan.”

    The original 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia cited this about the Cyrene massacres:

    “By this outbreak Libya was depopulated to such an extent that a few years later new colonies had to be established there (Eusebius, “Chronicle” from the Armenian, fourteenth year of Hadrian). Bishop Synesius, a native of Cyrene in the beginning of the fifth century, speaks of the devastations wrought by the Jews (“Do Regno,” p. 2).”

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  123. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, if I may, you might do better to reference Chabad instead of Wikipedia.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm

    I will wipe out the memory of Amalek” — will we say that the mitzvah to wipe out the memory of Amalek was not noheg l’doros? This is not true, for in any generation when one finds a descendant of Amalek, he must be killed. The same applies to this mitzvah of killing all descendants of the seven nations, which is a milchemes mitzvah.

    The same applies to this mitzvah of killing all descendants of the seven nations, which is a milchemes mitzvah. In every generation we are required to uproot them and search after them down to the last individual. We did this until King David destroyed them completely, with the survivors being scattered and assimilated among the nations until they disappeared.

    So, above, we see a continuous order for genocide of Amalek on the part of the Rabbis. Also, there are “seven nations” in this world that are unlucky to share it with the Jews who have a continuing mandate to genocide them.

    Andreas Eisenmenger’s research, hundreds of years before WWII, found that Jews thought that the Germans were categorized as one of the Seven Nations that is mandated by Jews to be genocided:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Andreas_Eisenmenger

    A further, if minor, element in his polemic consisted of an argument that Germans were a distinct people within Christianity, descended from the Canaanites, whom ‘the Jews’ were intent on destroying in accordance with Deuteronomy 7:16.

    Keep in mind that Amalek is considered to be a descendant of Esau.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek

    According to the Bible, Amalek was the son of Eliphaz (himself the son of Esau, ancestor of the Edomites) and Eliphaz’ concubine Timna. Timna was a Horite and sister of Lotan. Amalek is described as the “chief of Amalek” among the “chiefs of the sons of Esau”, from which it is surmised that he ruled a clan or territory named after him.

    Esau is the ancestor of Rome (which signifies all Europeans in Rabbinical parlance, but also all Christians):

    https://thetorah.com/esau-the-ancestor-of-rome/

    And yet, Rabbinic midrash associates Esau and Edom with a completely different geographical area—the city of Rome in the Italian Peninsula—and speaks as if Romans are all Edomites.

    Naturally, the rabbis consider Jacob to be the ancestor of the Jews. But instead of saying that Esau is the ancestor of Christianity, they describe him as the ancestor of Rome. The earliest example of this connection in rabbinic literature appears in the Jerusalem Talmud (4th/5th century C.E.)

    In referencing Beitar’s destruction, this Talmudic legend clearly associates the Roman Empire with Esau, and presents Jews and Romans as eternal antagonists.

    Moreover, Hadrian’s subordinates in this story see the “real” battle in this world as one between Rome and Judah, i.e., between Esau and Jacob.

    Once the Roman Empire legalized Christianity in the fourth century and adopted Christianity as its official religion, Edom became a cipher not just for the political entity Rome, but for the religious entity Christianity

    the prophet Obadiah has declared that “no descendant of Esau will remain,” the rabbis are saying that Christians will not be allowed into the world to come, though some righteous “Romans” who are good to the Jews can be saved. Even though Antoninus lived before Christianity became the official religion of Rome, and the historical Antoninus Pius was not a Christian himself, the Jewish readers of the Bavli know what Rome symbolizes.

    Jews not only have a mandate to genocide Amalek, but also Esau:

    Obadiah 1:18

    Therefore no survivor will remain from the house of Esau.” For the LORD has spoken. Those from the Negev will possess the mountains of Esau; those from the foothills will possess the land of the Philistines.

    Note that Philistines shares a direct etymology with Palestinians (see Wikipedia). The two words are interchangeable in Jewish myth.

    https://thetorah.com/esau-the-ancestor-of-rome/

    In his gloss on this verse, Abraham ibn Ezra (1089–c.1167) writes that the being is God himself,
    …והטעם על הגזרה שגזר על אדום, וזאת היא מלכות רומא וקוסטנטינא, ונקראו אדומים בעבור שנכנסו בתורת אדום, וזאת התורה נקראה על שם אדום, שהאדומיים האמינו בתחילה בתורת האיש הידוע: …And the reason is because of the decree he made against Edom—this is a reference to Rome and Constantinople. And they are called Edomites because they joined with the teachings of Edom (Christianity). And this teaching is called “Edomite” because the Idumeans were the first to believe in the teachings of the well-known man (Jesus).

    Putting aside his dubious historical claim about early Idumean embracing of Christianity, ibn Ezra’s point is that “Edomite” is first and foremost a cipher for the “Christian” religion and only by extension a reference to Rome, who adopted this religion

    Given the historical and Rabbinical context of Amalek, Bari Weiss is calling for the genocide of Christians and other Europeans.

    This is all very nasty, genocidal business.

    Yet again from a Semitic religion.

    As an aside, my personal opinion is that the traditional notion of the Jewish “Amalek”, as it was used in the Exodus story, carries the implication that the Jews sentence to genocide any nation who tries to kill them after that nation has put a stop to any subversion and has put them out of power (being under the rule of others, rather than being the rulers, is what they equate to “slavery”). Possibly as the Jews try to leave the nation with that nation’s wealth.

  124. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anon

    Good one!

    Justify cruelty and barbarism because they all did it!

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  125. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Good one!

    Justify cruelty and barbarism because they all did it!

    That was antiquity, in total. Criticism can only be valid in the context of the requirements of the times.

    If we are comparing Romans and Jews in terms of the two actions taken, I would argue that crucifying some slaves (still want to see your non-Jewish source for the treatment that you are complaining about) for whatever practical control or warning purposes they acted out of is vastly morally preferable to the indiscriminate genocide and torture of an entire island full of free innocents.

    Moreover, this behavior on the part of Jews is sanctioned on a spiritual level throughout Jewish texts and ideology for no other reason than a notion of total Jewish supremacy. Jews see no other people as human. They literally categorize them as animals. Which, I would argue, is far less of a moral justification than any practical reason that the Romans had for punishing slaves in a time where everyone kept them.

    Back to my point about you criticizing outside of the context of the times.

    To wit: You are sitting in a figurative armchair two thousand years later, in your heated / air conditioned house with a supermarket not too far away and the largest army that the world has ever seen protecting you from those who would slaughter you. That you do this while you criticize the Romans in overly-simplistic terms reeks of not only low IQ but the heart of a spiritually and logically soft person with zero significant ability to imagine the time that you criticize.

    No one cares about or wants to hear from a person such as this in the context of these discussions. The lack of intellect combined with the softness of heart in this low level critique of one of the greatest early civilizations makes everyone squeamish. Especially when your statement is a simple attack with no further exposition that includes the required context of even an eighth grade history paper’s abstract that might earn a grade of ‘B’. You are really just noise, and cringey noise at that.

    All that said, the Romans and Jews, at least according to the Jews, were the defining rivalry of the day. The Jews have chosen to see Roman symbolism continuously in the enemies that their religion demands they continuously create.

    In hypothetical hindsight, the Romans would have to concede that point in regard to the defining nature of the Roman-Jewish rivalry given the fact that Jewish Christianity led to their downfall (per Gibbons in his seminal book).

    Therefore, my comment about Jewish atrocities is more than the tit for tat answer that your uneducated person over-simplified the debate to be. Its commentary directly nullifies the spirit of your veiled philo-semitic attack on the Romans when you choose to critique their morality. On a website that is overwhelmingly a discussion of Jews, that is the only plausible context. This context is reinforced by the stated ongoing Jewish perception of the both historical and symbolic Romans (Esau and Amalek).

    Last, according to the historical commentaries by the Rabbis, Jewish hostility and stated genocidal intent toward both historical and symbolic Romans is by extension their perception, critique, and genocidal intent toward Christianity.

    So, no, you are not offering a valid simple critique of Romans on this website. You are dredging up a historical conflict, perhaps intentionally. I directly nullified your critique in that context with my mention of worse Jewish atrocities. My other critiques of your comments also stand.

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  126. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone should tell Bari Weiss (see her twitter post in Steve’s article) that if she is going to make shooting Muslims in Mosques a defining characteristic of Amalek, who is by Jewish definition a genetic lineage that is destined to be genocided, then that is bad news for Jews.

    One of their highly religious descendants did the same thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

    Baruch Kopel Goldstein (Hebrew: ברוך קופל גולדשטיין; December 9, 1956 – February 25, 1994) was an American-Israeli physician, religious extremist, and mass murderer who perpetrated the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron, killing 29 Palestinian Muslim worshippers and wounding another 125

    Mr. “Amalek” Goldstein has quite the hero’s grave in Israel. Note the rocks on his grave. A Jewish sign of affection and respect.

  127. @Liberty Mike

    Please.

    Pinochet was exactly as strong as he needed to be and no stronger. The SJW obsession with him is one of their many intellectuals embarrassments.

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  128. @Dr. X

    Jesus would disagree with you.

  129. @Federalist

    Jews have been in Europe for a long time, buddy boy — since the time when the Germans lived in the Ukraine and the Celts lived in Switzerland. We didn’t “glom” onto your civilization, we gave you your civilization. Where do you think Christianity comes from? Who do you think sustains the greatest cultural institutions today (hint: scroll down to the list of major donors here… https://www.metopera.org/globalassets/about/annual-reports/fy15_annual_report.pdf)?

  130. @Hank Yobo

    Hank Yobo wrote to me:

    Kenyon v. Garstang/Wood?

    I think you are just decades and decades out of date. The Wikipedia article on historicity of the Bible has some good summaries and good links (no, I’m not treating Wikipedia as authoritative: it is often a pile of nonsense, but in this case I know it to be pretty good based on the extensive reading I have done). Bryant Wood, by the way, is a “young earth creationist,” which, to any competent scientist, makes him slightly less credible than Pee-wee Herman or Barney the Dinosaur!

    Hank also wrote:

    Perhaps human fallibility doesn’t haunt the world of physics, but it sure does other academic disciplines, including archaeology.

    Alas, I fear you give us physicists more credit than we deserve! Check out Peter Woit’s or Sabine Hossenfelder’s blogs for the current mess in fundamental physics: both Peter and Sabine can have a bit of an edge, but I can vouch personally that they strive for accuracy in their blogs.

    I think if you follow up on the sources, you will find there is not much argument about the Exodus and the Conquest (of course, it has been obvious for a long time that even the Biblical narratives have internal problems: compare Joshua vs. Judges). Of course, there are still unsettled issues, which seem now to focus most intensely on whether or not David and Solomon were historical.

    Since I am the namesake of David, I’m rooting for him personally, but the issue is unsettled.

  131. @Anon

    Anon[384] wrote to Lavoisier:

    Back to my point about you criticizing outside of the context of the times.

    To wit: You are sitting in a figurative armchair two thousand years later, in your heated / air conditioned house with a supermarket not too far away and the largest army that the world has ever seen protecting you from those who would slaughter you. That you do this while you criticize the Romans in overly-simplistic terms reeks of not only low IQ but the heart of a spiritually and logically soft person with zero significant ability to imagine the time that you criticize.

    But there were people at that time who criticized the ruthlessly evil behavior of the Romans: some of those people, indeed, were known as “Christians.” I am not a Christian apologist: indeed, I have had many negative things to say about Christianity. But, the fact that ancient Christians could critique some of the evils of their society, and attract millions of followers, shows that ancient people did have it in them to distinguish between right and wrong just as we do.

    Indeed, the twentieth century — the World Wars, the Communist terrors, the Holocaust — was fat more brutal in many ways than the Romans. Yet, we do not excuse the Nazis or Stalinists or Khmer Rouge on grounds of moral or historical relativism.

    We are wealthier and have better technology than our ancient forebears. But to suppose that they lacked the ability to make our humane moral judgments is to overpraise ourselves and to dehumanize our ancestors.

  132. Olorin says:

    I see it a little differently.

    What I see these progs floating is the idea that “wars and massacres” are real violence.

    Demographic replacement, background genocide (say through economic attacks coupled with Big Pharma pushing despair-producing drugs), and constant emotional/political attack/propaganda are NOT violence. Nope, that just Happens. And good thing, because it leads to replacing white men. Who solely and alone commit Real Violence (TM, C, Reg. U.S. Pat. Off.).

    They are further pushing the notion that when browns slaughter people, it’s not evil or even bad. A fullblown batguano religious construct. But we’ve seen it before, and heard how bad were those who made it stop (just as the enemies of blacks/owers of reparations are the white descendants of the only people to have laid down a million lives to end slavery).

    https://www.historytoday.com/archive/contrarian/two-cheers-conquistadors

  133. Olorin says:

    Speaking of religion and Aryans…

    …the love of my life was considering a doctorate in theology about 20 years ago and made program inquiries to a passel of Bay Area/Silicon Valley institutions since we were living there at the time.

    Flash forward two decades, and she gets a letter from the Unitarian seminary in Berkeley. Highly confusing since that was four addresses ago for her/us, and she had no interaction with the school other than a query or two regarding whether anyone on the faculty taught Sumerian religion or had read in sociobiology.

    From this recent letter:

    In these troubling days throughout the nation and the world, I am so grateful to serve as President of Starr King School for the Ministry. I’m grateful because of the commitment we made–a quarter century ago–to focus on creating a Unitarian Universalist seminary that would help our students counter a variety of oppressions. Starr King School for the Ministry has provided intersectional, counter oppressive education for more than 25 years, long before other institutions even entered the conversation.

    While some schools talk about diversity and inclusion, Starr King School for the Ministry teaches how to identify and dismantle white supremacy culture. While other institutions promote tolerance, Starr King seeks transformation. Other seminaries graduate ministers; Starr King graduates progressive religious leaders.

    It is signed by one The Reverend Rosemary Bray McNatt, president of the school, though the reader is directed to contact the “vice president for advancement” “to give up to $100,000 from your IRA…without having to pay income taxes on the money.” (Hm, I thought progressives LOVED taxation and was eager to have it laid on themselves as proof of their commitment to reducing the Gini coefficient?)

    One might ponder how an outfit can call itself a “seminary”–ostensibly enjoying tax-free status as a religious institution–while presenting/conducting itself as a political lobbying group–and an openly racist one at that.

    https://www.sksm.edu/2017/02/02/sksmshowsup-for-the-womens-march/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190319081737/https://www.sksm.edu/2017/02/02/sksmshowsup-for-the-womens-march/
    http://archive.is/AOpCR

    Ol Rosemary didn’t waste time waving the bloody shirt over the NZ mosque shooting.

    https://www.sksm.edu/2019/03/18/hearts-broken-open/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190319082136/https://www.sksm.edu/2019/03/18/hearts-broken-open/
    http://archive.is/jEQ6G

    Here she is bitching about some LGBTQWERTY transgression made by the national Unitarian magazine it seems.

    https://www.sksm.edu/2019/03/07/a-message-of-solidarity/

    And here is a further statement of how this “seminary” is actually a school of social work one of whose fundaments is anti-white rhetoric:

    https://www.sksm.edu/academics/introducing-our-emergent-educational-design/eco/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190319082637/https://www.sksm.edu/academics/introducing-our-emergent-educational-design/eco/
    http://archive.is/PGDnP

    White people aren’t just facing a cold civil war, fam, we’re in the middle of a coldly calculated religious war against whites…that is inventing its Kill Whitey religion on the fly with the help of people with very deep pockets…and anti-white antipathies.

    IIRC, Starr King is at Pacific School of Religion, in the Berkeley Hills about five blocks from the multimillion-dollar house of George Lakoff, the UC-Berkeley linguist famous for his “framing” tactic/theories in political discourse, and long-ago head of the Rockridge Institute.

    RI was founded in the late ’90s with Henry Wallace, Nathan Cummings, Open Society Institution, and iirc Rock Bros. funding in part to defeat immigration-concerned policies with rhetoric. It’s the origin of a lot of the “humanitarian crisis” messaging we still hear today…even though Rockridge went teats up around the time Obama was elected (go figure).

    My point being, the religious framing is still there, but now “humanitarian” has morphed into “white man bad.” This stuff is coming out of restricted circles of opinion and money…magnified to look like the mainstream opinion and deeply punishing of any dissent to maintain that status.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20081218140413/http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/immigration.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20081021045141/http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/rockridge/immigration.html

  134. @Desiderius

    The SJW obsession with him is one of their many intellectuals embarrassments.

    Very true, especially when combined with their continued slobbering over Che Guevera, who personally shot homos.

  135. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I don’t think you could conscript Roman citizens. And as with all slave societies, there would have been a social stigma associated with physical labor that would have made it hard to get free men to do it voluntarily, no matter how good the pay.

    (An exception to this I understand was the army. Soldiers were expected to do all of their own heavy lifting and it was not considered degrading to do manual labor while serving as a soldier. It’s possible that a lot of these structures were built at least partially by soldiers in peacetime.)

  136. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    In hypothetical hindsight, the Romans would have to concede that point in regard to the defining nature of the Roman-Jewish rivalry given the fact that Jewish Christianity led to their downfall (per Gibbons in his seminal book).

    This was the argument of certain Nazi theorists I believe, that Christianity was the ‘Bolshevism’ of its day–a Jewish means of organising the subject nations and classes of the empire to overthrow the state.

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