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From the Washington Post:

The meeting was supposed to ease tensions between Muslim and Jewish Democrats. It ended with tears.

By Rachael Bade and Mike DeBonis, March 17 at 6:19 PM

It was supposed to be a chance for Muslim and Jewish House Democrats to ease tensions and find common ground. It ended with one lawmaker in tears.

At a late-night meeting blocks from the Capitol, about a dozen lawmakers shared their raw experiences with bigotry and discrimination, hoping the stories would bridge the glaring interfaith divide. Suddenly, Rep. Dean Phillips, a Jewish Democrat, shattered a moment meant to be about listening and learning — not politics.

Party hearty, dudes!

Rep. Phillips, scion of the Phillips Distillery fortune, looks like a (mostly) reformed stoner. He’ll be starring in the upcoming sequel Bill and Ted and Dean Go to Washington.

Phillips felt he had to address what had been unspoken for nearly two hours — the recent divisive remarks of Rep. Ilhan Omar, a Muslim who suggested American supporters of Israel have an “allegiance to a foreign country.”

Those kinds of remarks, Phillips said, represented “tips of the arrow” — small but devastating offenses that made Jews fearful of a rising tide of anti-Semitism. Phillips told his fellow Minnesota freshman that she had to apologize and said the group should publicly affirm Israel’s right to exist and protect itself.

His words stunned the three Muslim Democrats in the room, as well as some other Jewish members and third-party participants. Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), a Palestinian American who is critical of the Israeli government’s treatment of the Palestinians, grew emotional and started to cry as she spoke of her grandmother’s suffering in the West Bank at the hands of Israelis. “She would treat you like a grandson,” she said to Phillips, according to two people in the room.

The abrupt end to the March 5 meeting — the second gathering aimed at reconciliation — was a discomfiting moment in a previously unreported, behind-the-scenes effort inside the diverse class of House Democrats to foster tolerance amid the withering pressure of Washington.

Democrats’ convulsive efforts to respond to Omar’s recent criticisms of Israel have exposed ugly rifts in the party over religion and U.S. ally Israel that have boiled over on Twitter and in the public sphere. Those fights within the party have distracted from the party’s legislative agenda and fueled political attacks from Republicans, including President Trump. …

House Democratic leaders responded with a sweeping resolution condemning all forms of hate that passed overwhelmingly on March 7.

“Hate” of course being defined in effect in the Resolution as an emotion to which straight white males, those hateful bastards, are prey, but nobody else has to worry about it.

… When the group met two days later at a former lawmaker’s house on Capitol Hill, the controversy had mostly cleared, and Raskin was determined to keep the mood casual, according to several who attended who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private sessions.

Rep. Raskin looks like if Elliott Gould had beaten out Robert Redford for the lead in The Candidate.

He asked everyone to go around the room to say something about a grandparent, starting the conversation by talking about how his grandfather had been the first Jewish member of the Minnesota legislature — a pathbreaker like many of the freshman House Democrats.

The Congressman probably should have also brought up to the Muslims how his great-grandfather had been forced to help found the Oak Ridge Country Club in 1921, after he had been blackballed at the White Bear Lake Yacht and Golf Club.

“I mean, they let that drunken Irishman F. Scott Fitzgerald play golf, but no, my great-grandfather wasn’t good enough for them. Who did those White Bear Lake snobs think Fitzgerald bought his moonshine from? I think back on this … hate every time I tee off with my regular Sunday morning foursomes at Oak Ridge and Columbia. Heck, we let Obama into our Columbia CC even though he’s kind of a Muslim, you know, like you people? Despite all the grumbles you might have read in the paper, the vote on whether to blackball Obama wasn’t even close, despite the whole “Hussein” and Iran Deal things. Forgive and forget: that’s our motto …” *

* Note: The Congressman didn’t actually say any of this. I made it all up.

In fact, I got Congressmen Phillips and Raskin confused and blended them together. Raskin is from Maryland and his dad was on JFK’s National Security Council. Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.

The idea, according to people familiar with the session, was to humanize each other. Raskin would not discuss details of the meeting but said that he is “constantly trying to get members together to talk about the experiences and values that have brought them into public life.”

Phillips, a wealthy businessman representing the Minneapolis suburbs, spoke of his grandmother teaching him piano and how he was adopted from a poor family into a wealthier one after his father died in the Vietnam War.

Rep. André Carson (Ind.), a Muslim convert elected in 2008, told a story about his grandmother picking him up from a shelter when he was little after his mother, who struggled with schizophrenia, had a severe episode. That grandmother, former congresswoman Julia Carson, ended up raising him and introducing him to politics.

House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita M. Lowey (N.Y.) talked about how her grandparents left Russia to escape anti-Jewish pogroms and were eager to embrace America. …

But the conversations left some members wanting to delve deeper into personal struggles — especially in light of Omar’s comments. Rep. Andy Levin (Mich.), a former labor organizer and synagogue president, began organizing a more formal event that would focus on anti-Semitism, calling on leaders of a liberal Jewish group, Bend the Arc, to attend and moderate the discussion. …

When the small group convened, tensions emerged almost immediately. A Bend the Arc facilitator made a joke about Jews and money to try to clear the air. But Rep. Jahana Hayes (Conn.), one of the freshman allies invited to join the session, grew serious and asked why the facilitator could talk like that when someone like Hayes could not.

“It’s not okay,” Hayes said this past week when asked about the specific exchange. “These [sorts of jokes] are off-limits. It’s confusing for someone like me who is trying to learn.”

You are just supposed to know which facts you can’t mention. If you have to learn which facts are off-limits for you, can we really trust you?

Hayes, however said, the meeting — which delved into the history of anti-Semitism and charged language — was helpful for people who don’t know the meaning of certain words: “I’m looking to try to understand everybody’s perspective,” she said. “This isn’t my community.”

The conversation took a different turn as some non-Jewish members in the room admitted they didn’t know what anti-Semitism looks like. The Jews present appreciated the candor and sought to share stories illuminating why certain words had negative meaning.

Soon lawmakers were talking about their own experiences with discrimination.

Toward the end of the session, Phillips felt the need to bring up a personal hurt: Omar’s recent comments.

Omar, who supports a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, said nothing as Tlaib described the effects Israel’s policies on her Palestinian family. Others in the room saw racial undertones in Phillips’s comments, offended that a white businessman representing an affluent suburban community was suggesting a black refugee such as Omar incited fear. …

Since then, the group has huddled on the House floor to discuss what happened. Although the exercise has been uncomfortable at times, many think it was worthwhile and are planning to do it again, perhaps focusing on anti-Muslim bigotry and racism.

Let me guess the eventual outcome … the Democratic Jewish and Muslim Congresspersons will agree to agree that The Real Enemy is …

 
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  1. The mistake they made was not having a stereotypical goy present for the discussion. Martin O’Malley would have been perfect.

    Once things started to get tense, it would have been someone’s job to point at O’Malley and shout “get ‘im!”

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • LOL: Mr McKenna, sayless, Kylie
  2. I could also see the meeting going something like this:

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, Mike! I've only put this video up 2 or 3 times, and NOBODY THANKED ME.

    I don't see how People-of-the-Incorrectness wouldn't think The Office is the best show EVAH!
    , @EH
    Ventkatesh Rao's fascinating series of essays at his blog Ribbonfarm:"The Gervais Principle, Or The Office According to 'The Office'" explores the psychological structure and dynamics of corporations.

    Now, after four years, I’ve finally figured the show out. The Office is not a random series of cynical gags aimed at momentarily alleviating the existential despair of low-level grunts. It is a fully realized theory of management that falsifies 83.8% of the business section of the bookstore. The theory begins with Hugh MacLeod’s well-known cartoon, Company Hierarchy (below), and its cornerstone is something I will call The Gervais Principle, which supersedes both the Peter Principle and its successor, The Dilbert Principle. Outside of the comic aisle, the only major and significant works consistent with the Gervais Principle are The Organization Man and Images of Organization.
     
    In brief, the corporate pyramid is Sociopaths at the top, Losers at the bottom, Clueless in the middle; this gives complicated dynamics that Rao demonstrates with many examples from The Office. "The Gervais Principle is this: 'Sociopaths, in their own best interests, knowingly promote over-performing losers into middle-management, groom under-performing losers into sociopaths, and leave the average bare-minimum-effort losers to fend for themselves.'"

  3. “Dean Benson Phillips” who replaced Republican Erik Paulsen as U.S. Representative from Minnesota’s 3rd congressional district.

    “Phillips was born to DeeDee and Artie Pfefer in 1969. Artie was killed in the Vietnam War when Dean was six months old. DeeDee later married Eddie Phillips, heir to the Phillips Distilling Company and son of Pauline Phillips.

    “Phillips graduated from Brown University in 1991. He worked for InMotion for two years, then joined the family company. He completed his Master of Business Administration from the University of Minnesota in 2000, and was named president of Phillips Distilling.”

    Committee assignments:
    – Committee on Financial Services
    – – Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Philips reminds me of a younger Joe Walsh.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+walsh&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=nvi&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlt96Ss43hAhVUgp4KHdZHBEwQ_AUIFSgD&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=mbPBcZhxPVX85M
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    All that money and power and he can't afford some shampoo and a haircut?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    He's the spittin' image of a guy I grew up with in the 1970s, and with whom I am still in regular Facebook contact. It's almost eerie looking at that picture, and realizing it's someone else. Even the facial expression is the same. And yeah, my old buddy grows his own weed out in California.
  4. <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.

    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

    And the other is named Anthony Weiner.
    , @Shingas the Terrible
    She married Arnold Dingfelder Horshack? I thought a Muslim princess could do better than a Sweathog...
    , @BB753
    That marriage also ended up in tears.. well, rather, with dick pics!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, to be fair, Reg, Representative Omar never texted anyone on the outside pictures of her dick .... yet.... still developing....
    , @Prusmc
    I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative.
    , @Bubba
    Looks like FGM was performed on both of them and it definitely makes the Weiners scowl.

    BTW - type in clitorectomy or clitoridectomy as a Google search and you get a small, smiling butch-looking woman or a very feminine man with a t-shirt that says, "too cute to be binary." Nothing to indicate that this barbaric, filthy, inhuman brutality rips apart a woman.

    The Google Nazis should start preforming this ghastly mutilation on themselves sans anesthesia. I think they might change the results of the search.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Whos' the chick with Paulie Shore?
    , @Hypnotoad666
    If it weren't for Weiner's laptop, Comey would not have temporarily "reopened" the investigation against Clinton two weeks before the election. And she would be president instead of Trump.

    Weiner - although preposterous - is a world-historical figure.
  5. Omar, who supports a two-state solution

    Neither of them Christian.

    • Replies: @Paul
    You are badly misinformed. Actually, many among the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people were and are Christians. Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi are two well-known such persons. Christians have tended to be among the Palestinian elite.
  6. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

    And the other is named Anthony Weiner.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.
     
    Why are "rightful claims" always by these people, and never against them?


    https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/inline/images/large/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-04%20at%203.14.57%20PM.png

    https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/sites/eastcountymagazine.org/files/P1250559_0_0.JPG?988

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/media/images/81241000/jpg/_81241101_gettyimages_460827278.jpg

    https://acninternational.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Damascus-The-Christians-fear-for-their-lives-cover.jpg

    , @snorlax
    Her father is Indian and her mother is Pakistani. I suppose they could do a three-way trade with Kashmir and solve all sorts of problems.

    With the caveat that the Christian minority (like Edward Said) have done most of the heavy lifting and the Muslims' contributions are mostly stupid and counterproductive, the Palestinians have managed to out-propagandize the Jews, which is, yeah, pretty impressive.

    Subcontinental intelligence is overrated, objectively (IQ, PISA) and in my subjective experience. Case in point, Huma's no genius when it comes to picking 'em. Okay, Weiner's her beard, but, uh, Hillary? 🤢
  7. “Condemm all forms of hate…” unless it’s your personal hate for some group.

  8. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    She married Arnold Dingfelder Horshack? I thought a Muslim princess could do better than a Sweathog…

  9. This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they’re staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been. He’s been lying low, because everyone sees that a Dem civil war will be Jews and the few moderates in the party v. the blacks, the progs and the Muslimas.

    It’s very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It’s not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one’s position on the issue.

    • Agree: Arclight, Coemgen
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Muslims will not back down. They are doing the job in a democracy that white men are afraid to do.

    You are never as free as when you have little to lose.

    , @International Jew

    This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one’s position on the issue.
     
    I don't know if I can do anything to encourage it, but I can certainly enjoy it.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been.
     
    In the Senate. This is the House.
    , @Counterinsurgency

    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they’re staging these asinine encounter sessions.
     
    Agree.

    In bare basics, light manufacturing in cities became nonviable in the 1960s. Everybody who could moved out, and by the 1970s cities were on the verge of bankruptcy. They were saved by their political power. To maintain this political power, the cities have imported foreigners to city vote farms. Foreigners who can't be economically productive in an industrial society (at home or here) are favored, because other foreigners leave the city to find jobs, and thus do not contribute to the political power of the city.

    The Democrat's current problem is that the foreigners (They are not foreigners? Just ask them.) realize they won't ever do anything productive in an industrial society, and want to destroy the industrial society. The Democrat's Green plan is an example of the sort of destruction intended, and as for the destruction conducted thus far, look around you.

    The problem of foreigners refusing to pretend they either can or want to live in an industrial society is a very basic problem, one which in many cases can be traced to fraction of the foreign group with an IQ under 83, the DoD cutoff for people able to enlist. The foreigners are not kidding about this -- they can't and they won't. As a secondary problem, they don't much like each other on a group level. As a final problem, the foreigners need money to live, and intend to get it by political power ("Universal Basic Income")

    This is why the Democrats were essentially defeated by blue collar labor during Trump's election. Blue collar labor can and does work in the industrial economy, and wants industrial society to continue. The blue collar labor is also not kidding about this -- they want industrial society to continue. As a secondary problem, they're getting tired of being physically attacked. As a final problem, the blue collars need money to live, and intend to get the political power to defend their income (Trump or other).

    This problem is much like that of the USSR before it fell. The USSR had a very large population that was not productive in its industrial society: the entire war economy / manufacturing sector. This sector was replaced completely during an interval of reorganization.
    One way of phrasing this problem is that the USSR's basic organization diverted capital flow from productive uses to uses that produced very little benefit and actually destroyed both the resources needed to manufacture and severely poisoned the land as well. The reorganization fixed that, at a very large cost.
    The US has a similar problem, in that the US political system (of what the English used to call "rotten boroughs") has produced a similar misallocation of capital flow in the United States.

    If you want a footnoted version of this post, say so and it will be supplied. If you don't want to wait, you can get footnotes that document the above assertions, and a fuller version of the assertions, by reviewing my other comments.

    So, no, this is not a trivial affair.

    Counterinsurgency
  10. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    That marriage also ended up in tears.. well, rather, with dick pics!

  11. It ended with one lawmaker in tears.

    As soon as I read this one, and the end of that first excerpt, I had to chime in. Are these people in a 12-step program or the US Congress? Imagine if the Soviets had heard a report like this in the middle of the Cold War. I believe they’d just have gone full out and launched a 1st strike on this matriarchal shitshow, and I wouldn’t have been able to fault them one bit.

    • Replies: @sayless
    Achmed, could not agree more.
    , @AnotherDad

    As soon as I read this one, and the end of that first excerpt, I had to chime in. Are these people in a 12-step program or the US Congress? Imagine if the Soviets had heard a report like this in the middle of the Cold War. I believe they’d just have gone full out and launched a 1st strike on this matriarchal shitshow, and I wouldn’t have been able to fault them one bit.
     
    I occasionally think the US will end with a Chinese (PLA) engineered virus that wipes out white people.

    But then i take heart, they won't bother. They can do nothing and just sit back and watch our diversity driven destruction.
  12. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    Well, to be fair, Reg, Representative Omar never texted anyone on the outside pictures of her dick …. yet…. still developing….

  13. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I could also see the meeting going something like this:

    https://youtu.be/PLp8pjqwlsc

    Thank you, Mike! I’ve only put this video up 2 or 3 times, and NOBODY THANKED ME.

    I don’t see how People-of-the-Incorrectness wouldn’t think The Office is the best show EVAH!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ha! I don't remember seeing you put it up, but maybe my brain did. Thanks anyway.

    The first couple seasons were unmatched - but it went downhill from there.
  14. Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
    “Rip down all hate,” I screamed
    Lies that life is black and white
    Spoke from my skull. I dreamed

    **** Straight outta Hibbing Minnesota. How times change.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    "Someone's in the basement
    talkin' 'bout the government.
    Someone got excited,
    gotta call the state militia, I gotta move,
    playing in a travelin' band,
    flyin' cross the land,
    tryin' to get a hand.
    playing in a travelin' band!"

    Somehow those two songs always morph together, and the better (by miles) Rock&Roll voice comes out in the end:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcJ5WQSamQ

    Hmm, kinda eerie there with that "Seven-thoity-seven" lyric, but it's not what he meant.
  15. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so let me make sure I understand what happened here.

    There was a meeting between Jewish and Muslim congressmen. The reason for this was to disprove that being Jewish or Muslim creates loyalty to another country.

    And the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel – Palestine conflict… Well, at least we know our representatives are exclusively concerned with the affairs of the US, and not some low grade, never ending ethnic conflict thousands of miles from our shores(?)

    • Replies: @Hail

    the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel – Palestine conflict
     
    Idea for a comedy in the grand tradition of The Odd Couple:

    "Squabbling Semites."
    , @Curmudgeon
    It all could have been avoided if someone was astute enough to mention that it was Putin sewing the seeds of division in the party, to help Trump in 2020.
  16. Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been. He’s been lying low, because……..

    He flared up during Gov’t shutdowns and opposing Trump’s Wall. He is laying low because he has nothing to do except schmooze with Democrat donors.. Both Houses of Congress are full of do-nothings. God forbid they will do something crucial like severely tightening up our asylum laws and birthright citizenship.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Dems may have received some internal polling showing "undecideds" or swing staters recoiling in horror at the very sight of Schumer. He looked especially loathesome during the State of the Union and that weird duet he did with Nancy in response to some other Trump speech.

    I think he did recently do one of his laughable Sunday press conferences -- against teen vaping or some such pressing issue.

  17. “Can’t we get along and bash white Christians?”

  18. The passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act was a RACIST HATE CRIME!!!…….against the Historic Native Born White Christian Working Class Majority……

  19. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they're staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Someone in the threads asked where's Chuck Schumer been. He's been lying low, because everyone sees that a Dem civil war will be Jews and the few moderates in the party v. the blacks, the progs and the Muslimas.

    It's very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It's not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one's position on the issue.

    Muslims will not back down. They are doing the job in a democracy that white men are afraid to do.

    You are never as free as when you have little to lose.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    It's not that. It's specifically the fact that they're Muslim, it comes first. They would rather lose everything than betray their faith and their fellow Muslims. White men could learn a lot from them.
  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, Mike! I've only put this video up 2 or 3 times, and NOBODY THANKED ME.

    I don't see how People-of-the-Incorrectness wouldn't think The Office is the best show EVAH!

    Ha! I don’t remember seeing you put it up, but maybe my brain did. Thanks anyway.

    The first couple seasons were unmatched – but it went downhill from there.

  21. Maybe a Constitutional Amendment? You can’t get elected to Congress unless you’re the 4th generation born here?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    That'd leave out 50% of the guys here, including me unless one Boston born Boston Irish great grand parent would qualify me.
  22. @Reg Cæsar

    Omar, who supports a two-state solution
     
    Neither of them Christian.

    You are badly misinformed. Actually, many among the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people were and are Christians. Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi are two well-known such persons. Christians have tended to be among the Palestinian elite.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Reg Caesar's comment did not imply there were/are no Palestinian Christians. My reading of his comment is that Omar would have no problem with Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians.
    , @FPD72
    Just like there USED to be numerous Christians in Iraq and Syria and Christians USED to share power in Lebanon.

    How are Christians in those countries faring NOW?

    Hint: Iraq’s Christian community has been reduced by about 75%. In Syria, the MODERATE rebels had as their slogan, “Christians to Lebanon, Alawites against the wall.”
    , @Sin City Milla
    It's well known that one source of the PLO's opposition to Israel was that its Christian leaders were insecure n wanted to deflect Muslim fanaticism away from themselves n onto the Jews, Christians thruout the Mid East being chronically regarded by the surrounding Muslim majorities as disloyal n anxious not to be seen as disloyal. The strategy didn't work for the Christians in the PLO, just as it won't work in the US. The divide between Jews n Muslims is far greater than can be bridged by any third group n Christians will only be run over if they try to aid one side or the other.
  23. @John Gruskos
    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

    And the other is named Anthony Weiner.

    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

    Why are “rightful claims” always by these people, and never against them?

    • Replies: @sayless
    Thank you, Reg.
    , @Counterinsurgency

    Why are “rightful claims” always by these people, and never against them?
     
    The money that keeps the cities going since they lost manufacturing is from the welfare and other subsidies to these grievance groups. Without the grievance groups that now inhabit the cities, the US political establishment would have no cities (cities would be deserted as people followed the jobs) and no political power. As criminals are the men who make the criminal justice system happen, people who can't do anything productive in an industrial society are the people who make today's cities happen -- worldwide.

    Summary: It's the usual life and death issue of any dominant group: What can we do to remain dominant if we recognize no limits at all to our actions?
    See ''Macbeth" for the usual arc, all put into one play.

    Counterinsurgency
  24. “…and everybody hates the J…” (at 1:12)

    September 11th 1967

    • Replies: @sayless
    Lehrer doesn’t mention the question, do the Jews hate anyone.
  25. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they're staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Someone in the threads asked where's Chuck Schumer been. He's been lying low, because everyone sees that a Dem civil war will be Jews and the few moderates in the party v. the blacks, the progs and the Muslimas.

    It's very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It's not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one's position on the issue.

    This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one’s position on the issue.

    I don’t know if I can do anything to encourage it, but I can certainly enjoy it.

  26. Do these secret meetings violate any ethics? Should their constituents know about them?

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    "I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative."

    Would make a great movie. Neither knows the other is a spy. Hilarity ensues.
    , @J.Ross
    She is tied to Ikhwan and among her established activities serving Hillary was a completely illegal and brazen request to have classified emails forwarded to her account. On the other hand, Carlos Danger works alone (jaguar sound effect).
  28. Rep Phillips looks like Bill Maher

  29. That’s hilarious. Reminds me of a Monty Python skit: “Well I grew up in a cardboard box in the middle of the street!”

    Embarrassing too though. Did they loll around on the floor with cushions and blankets? That might have dissipated some of the tension. Undergraduates seem to find that helpful.

    Problem is, their job is to Govern Wisely here, not in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @sayless
    Elect Anne Bradstreet!
  30. @Clyde

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been. He’s been lying low, because........
     
    He flared up during Gov't shutdowns and opposing Trump's Wall. He is laying low because he has nothing to do except schmooze with Democrat donors.. Both Houses of Congress are full of do-nothings. God forbid they will do something crucial like severely tightening up our asylum laws and birthright citizenship.

    Dems may have received some internal polling showing “undecideds” or swing staters recoiling in horror at the very sight of Schumer. He looked especially loathesome during the State of the Union and that weird duet he did with Nancy in response to some other Trump speech.

    I think he did recently do one of his laughable Sunday press conferences — against teen vaping or some such pressing issue.

  31. The hostility against the indigenous Palestinian people (Canaanites) from many fundamentalist Christians seems to be (as best I can surmise) due to a bizarre belief that the Jewish squatters in Palestine portend the end times (to which such fundamentalists look forward).

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The hostility against the indigenous Palestinian people (Canaanites) from many fundamentalist Christians seems to be (as best I can surmise) due to a bizarre belief that the Jewish squatters in Palestine portend the end times (to which such fundamentalists look forward).
     
    These fundies are a bunch of idiots who have adopted ideas alien to the Reformers, to say nothing of Catholics or Orthodox, coming from Darby and the Scofield Reference bible. I call them God-Damned Rapture Bunnies.

    TV preachers endorsing such ideas are those who get airtime. Anyone denouncing such ideas does not. It's a total mystery why this is. (Actually it isn't. Go into a "Christian Bookstore", not the publishers, and find out who owns or distributes them.)

    Every. Single. Time.
  32. @John Gruskos
    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

    And the other is named Anthony Weiner.

    Her father is Indian and her mother is Pakistani. I suppose they could do a three-way trade with Kashmir and solve all sorts of problems.

    With the caveat that the Christian minority (like Edward Said) have done most of the heavy lifting and the Muslims’ contributions are mostly stupid and counterproductive, the Palestinians have managed to out-propagandize the Jews, which is, yeah, pretty impressive.

    Subcontinental intelligence is overrated, objectively (IQ, PISA) and in my subjective experience. Case in point, Huma’s no genius when it comes to picking ’em. Okay, Weiner’s her beard, but, uh, Hillary? 🤢

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Say what you want about Hillary but she’s got “somethin’ goin’ on.” Who else with her history could yet still be a viable candidate for POTUS?
  33. Does Tlaib even know about the golfocaust? Sheesh, what a tone deaf prog. Someone sit her down and explain the indignity of having to play the local muni while your course is being built.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Well played sir, you know who plays municipal courses, right? Goy proles, THE HORROR, THE HORROR.
    , @AnotherDad

    Does Tlaib even know about the golfocaust? Sheesh, what a tone deaf prog. Someone sit her down and explain the indignity of having to play the local muni while your course is being built.
     
    I've never even gotten to play a round at Augusta, much less be invited to join.

    Oppressed American.
  34. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they're staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Someone in the threads asked where's Chuck Schumer been. He's been lying low, because everyone sees that a Dem civil war will be Jews and the few moderates in the party v. the blacks, the progs and the Muslimas.

    It's very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It's not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one's position on the issue.

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been.

    In the Senate. This is the House.

    • Replies: @Paul
    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention.
    , @Hibernian
    All Good People must weigh in on such issues and surely that includes the leader of the Senior Chamber of the Legislative Branch.
  35. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they're staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Someone in the threads asked where's Chuck Schumer been. He's been lying low, because everyone sees that a Dem civil war will be Jews and the few moderates in the party v. the blacks, the progs and the Muslimas.

    It's very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It's not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one's position on the issue.

    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they’re staging these asinine encounter sessions.

    Agree.

    In bare basics, light manufacturing in cities became nonviable in the 1960s. Everybody who could moved out, and by the 1970s cities were on the verge of bankruptcy. They were saved by their political power. To maintain this political power, the cities have imported foreigners to city vote farms. Foreigners who can’t be economically productive in an industrial society (at home or here) are favored, because other foreigners leave the city to find jobs, and thus do not contribute to the political power of the city.

    The Democrat’s current problem is that the foreigners (They are not foreigners? Just ask them.) realize they won’t ever do anything productive in an industrial society, and want to destroy the industrial society. The Democrat’s Green plan is an example of the sort of destruction intended, and as for the destruction conducted thus far, look around you.

    The problem of foreigners refusing to pretend they either can or want to live in an industrial society is a very basic problem, one which in many cases can be traced to fraction of the foreign group with an IQ under 83, the DoD cutoff for people able to enlist. The foreigners are not kidding about this — they can’t and they won’t. As a secondary problem, they don’t much like each other on a group level. As a final problem, the foreigners need money to live, and intend to get it by political power (“Universal Basic Income”)

    This is why the Democrats were essentially defeated by blue collar labor during Trump’s election. Blue collar labor can and does work in the industrial economy, and wants industrial society to continue. The blue collar labor is also not kidding about this — they want industrial society to continue. As a secondary problem, they’re getting tired of being physically attacked. As a final problem, the blue collars need money to live, and intend to get the political power to defend their income (Trump or other).

    This problem is much like that of the USSR before it fell. The USSR had a very large population that was not productive in its industrial society: the entire war economy / manufacturing sector. This sector was replaced completely during an interval of reorganization.
    One way of phrasing this problem is that the USSR’s basic organization diverted capital flow from productive uses to uses that produced very little benefit and actually destroyed both the resources needed to manufacture and severely poisoned the land as well. The reorganization fixed that, at a very large cost.
    The US has a similar problem, in that the US political system (of what the English used to call “rotten boroughs”) has produced a similar misallocation of capital flow in the United States.

    If you want a footnoted version of this post, say so and it will be supplied. If you don’t want to wait, you can get footnotes that document the above assertions, and a fuller version of the assertions, by reviewing my other comments.

    So, no, this is not a trivial affair.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "In bare basics, light manufacturing in cities became nonviable in the 1960s."

    And in the UK the same became essentially true in the 1980s/90s, despite some existing firms hanging on outside London.

    To build a new factory or plant, your staff need to be able to get in and out safely and conveniently, they need to live reasonably close by, and the physical location needs to be secure i.e. when you shut for a fortnight in summer it'll still be there when you get back.

    Basically, no one is building new factories in any really diverse cities - instead firms with clout build places on greenfield sites, and smaller firms spring up on industrial estates or 'business parks' around the same towns where vast new building is taking place to house the natives driven from the cities (aka "moving for better schools").
  36. @Reg Cæsar

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been.
     
    In the Senate. This is the House.

    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention
     
    This is one-fifteenth of one-half of one-half of Congress. Which is one-third of the branches of the federal portion of American government.

    That works out to 1/360. Or should.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    But as Steve has pointed out, a member of the House can get elected while appealing to much narrower demographics than a Senator can. Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.
  37. @Achmed E. Newman

    It ended with one lawmaker in tears.
     
    As soon as I read this one, and the end of that first excerpt, I had to chime in. Are these people in a 12-step program or the US Congress? Imagine if the Soviets had heard a report like this in the middle of the Cold War. I believe they'd just have gone full out and launched a 1st strike on this matriarchal shitshow, and I wouldn't have been able to fault them one bit.

    Achmed, could not agree more.

  38. Yeah yeah yeah it’s all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that’s what’s good for The Team.

    When we’re looking for a coalition that’s falling apart, it’s way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    When we’re looking for a coalition that’s falling apart, it’s way more likely we should be looking at us before them.
     
    Most definitely true!

    Always remember, _the entire US political establishment_, Democrats, Republicans, Anarchists, entire religions, the Deep State, quite a few banks, some of the "tech giants", several foreign nations (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, . . .), the media, and quite possibly entities I don't even know about would fall if the diversion of capital flow to immediate consumption by cities were stopped. A decade ago that would have been impossible to believe, but the unified opposition to Trump (who is threatening to stop the diversion) demonstrates that, yes, the entire political establishment really can act in unison. It will prove to have considerable staying power (as did the USSR).

    However, their days are numbered and the number isn't very large. The cities capital plants are deteriorating, their empire's capital goods are doing likewise, and their ability to tax is limited by the capital starvation of the revenue generating parts of industrial society. If something can't continue, well, it dosn't. The West has, historically, organized its basic institution every 70-80 years, and it has been ~70 years since the WW II reorganization.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Lot
    Good points.

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.
    , @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.

    No, my point is that the internal tensions of the Coalition of the Fringes explain things like the hunger for Hate Hoaxes: they are devices to counter those centrifugal forces.

    , @Desiderius
    Yeah, this is the key sentence:

    Raskin was determined to keep the mood casual
     
    Eddie Haskell Über Alles
  39. @Reg Cæsar

    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.
     
    Why are "rightful claims" always by these people, and never against them?


    https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/inline/images/large/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-04%20at%203.14.57%20PM.png

    https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/sites/eastcountymagazine.org/files/P1250559_0_0.JPG?988

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/media/images/81241000/jpg/_81241101_gettyimages_460827278.jpg

    https://acninternational.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Damascus-The-Christians-fear-for-their-lives-cover.jpg

    Thank you, Reg.

  40. @Reg Cæsar

    One of them comes from a group known for their intelligence and their rightful claim to the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.
     
    Why are "rightful claims" always by these people, and never against them?


    https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/inline/images/large/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-04%20at%203.14.57%20PM.png

    https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/sites/eastcountymagazine.org/files/P1250559_0_0.JPG?988

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/media/images/81241000/jpg/_81241101_gettyimages_460827278.jpg

    https://acninternational.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Damascus-The-Christians-fear-for-their-lives-cover.jpg

    Why are “rightful claims” always by these people, and never against them?

    The money that keeps the cities going since they lost manufacturing is from the welfare and other subsidies to these grievance groups. Without the grievance groups that now inhabit the cities, the US political establishment would have no cities (cities would be deserted as people followed the jobs) and no political power. As criminals are the men who make the criminal justice system happen, people who can’t do anything productive in an industrial society are the people who make today’s cities happen — worldwide.

    Summary: It’s the usual life and death issue of any dominant group: What can we do to remain dominant if we recognize no limits at all to our actions?
    See ”Macbeth” for the usual arc, all put into one play.

    Counterinsurgency

  41. I didn’t know that Leonard Hofstadter from the Big Bang Theory was a Representative from Minnesota’s third district.

  42. @sayless
    That’s hilarious. Reminds me of a Monty Python skit: “Well I grew up in a cardboard box in the middle of the street!”

    Embarrassing too though. Did they loll around on the floor with cushions and blankets? That might have dissipated some of the tension. Undergraduates seem to find that helpful.

    Problem is, their job is to Govern Wisely here, not in the Middle East.

    Elect Anne Bradstreet!

  43. Really enjoyed reading this. I am a refugee from Illinois who relocated to Minnesota last year. When someone asks where I live I am tempted to say just outside of Mogadishu.

    I’ve been intrigued by the flapping hands and hyperventilating surrounding remarks made by the head covered representative from my new home state. I don’t think she said anything that was untrue about the Jewish lobby’s influence in the fetid swamp of D.C. She has said some bat-shit crazy things but this was not one of them. Methinks they (AIPAC, the MSM, etc.) doth protest too much. I guess it’s hate speech because they hate what she said.

    I think it’s pretty funny how another representative from Minnesota threw a hand grenade right in the middle of was probably meant to be a momentous kumbaya moment.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Illinois to Minnesota: Is that frying pan into the fire or the other way round?
  44. He asked everyone to go around the room to say something about a grandparent, starting the conversation by talking about how his grandfather had been the first Jewish member of the Minnesota legislature — a pathbreaker like many of the freshman House Democrats.

    Too bad that there were no descendants of Judah P Benjamin in the room. Now there was a real “pathbreaker “….

    Judah Philip Benjamin, QC (August 11, 1811 – May 6, 1884) was a lawyer and politician who was a United States Senator from Louisiana, a Cabinet officer of the Confederate States and, after his escape to the United Kingdom at the end of the American Civil War, an English barrister. Benjamin was the first Jew to be elected to the United States Senate who had not renounced that faith, and was the first Jew to hold a Cabinet position in North America. He was successively the Attorney General, Secretary of War, and Secretary of State of the Confederate States of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

  45. The shit show must go on…

    I’m guessing Phillips and Raskin weren’t voted in for their looks.

    Those kinds of remarks, Phillips said, represented “tips of the arrow” — small but devastating offenses that made Jews fearful of a rising tide of anti-Semitism. Phillips told his fellow Minnesota freshman that she had to apologize and said the group should publicly affirm Israel’s right to exist and protect itself.

    So he wants Omar to apologize for saying he has dual loyalty but also wants Omar to affirm his dual loyalty. You just can’t make this stuff up.

  46. @Boethiuss
    Yeah yeah yeah it's all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I'm not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that's what's good for The Team.

    When we're looking for a coalition that's falling apart, it's way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    When we’re looking for a coalition that’s falling apart, it’s way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    Most definitely true!

    Always remember, _the entire US political establishment_, Democrats, Republicans, Anarchists, entire religions, the Deep State, quite a few banks, some of the “tech giants”, several foreign nations (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, . . .), the media, and quite possibly entities I don’t even know about would fall if the diversion of capital flow to immediate consumption by cities were stopped. A decade ago that would have been impossible to believe, but the unified opposition to Trump (who is threatening to stop the diversion) demonstrates that, yes, the entire political establishment really can act in unison. It will prove to have considerable staying power (as did the USSR).

    However, their days are numbered and the number isn’t very large. The cities capital plants are deteriorating, their empire’s capital goods are doing likewise, and their ability to tax is limited by the capital starvation of the revenue generating parts of industrial society. If something can’t continue, well, it dosn’t. The West has, historically, organized its basic institution every 70-80 years, and it has been ~70 years since the WW II reorganization.

    Counterinsurgency

  47. @snorlax
    Her father is Indian and her mother is Pakistani. I suppose they could do a three-way trade with Kashmir and solve all sorts of problems.

    With the caveat that the Christian minority (like Edward Said) have done most of the heavy lifting and the Muslims' contributions are mostly stupid and counterproductive, the Palestinians have managed to out-propagandize the Jews, which is, yeah, pretty impressive.

    Subcontinental intelligence is overrated, objectively (IQ, PISA) and in my subjective experience. Case in point, Huma's no genius when it comes to picking 'em. Okay, Weiner's her beard, but, uh, Hillary? 🤢

    Say what you want about Hillary but she’s got “somethin’ goin’ on.” Who else with her history could yet still be a viable candidate for POTUS?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    An incredibly talented team of assassins?
  48. Irony Department over the top moment of the year, so far …

    … when a European who self identifies as Jewish
    lectures an American of Palestinian descent on anti-Semitism.

  49. Hail says: • Website

    Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.

    Whoa. “Dear Abby” was Jewish?

    Pauline Esther “Popo” Phillips (née Friedman; July 4, 1918 – January 16, 2013), also known as Abigail Van Buren, was an American advice columnist and radio show host who began the Dear Abby column in 1956

    Pauline Esther Friedman, nicknamed “Popo”, was born in Sioux City, Iowa, to Russian Jewish immigrants, Rebecca (née Rushall) and Abraham B. Friedman, owner of a chain of movie theaters.[3] She was the youngest of four sisters and grew up in Sioux City. Her identical twin, Esther Pauline Friedman (married name Lederer), was columnist Ann Landers

    “Ann Landers” also Jewish? All those decades, millions will have been none the wiser on this. I would only note in passing that they didn’t write under anything like their real names (“Dear Friedman”), instead choosing two highly-WASP-seeming pseudonym-identities, ‘Abigail Van Buren’ and ‘Ann Landers.’ I guess we should be flattered. Right?

    As to Steve’s statement “[Congressman Dean] Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby,” this is not correct if speaking genetically, as (acc. to the Wiki) Dear Abby‘s son was Congressman Dean Phillips’ adoptive father. Dean Philipps’ birth parents, DeeDee Cohen and Artie Pfefer, were almost certainly both Jewish, anyway.

    (Note, no relation here to Heroic American-Indian Elder Nathan Phillips. Sadly for the latter, after the smoke cleared from his fifteen minutes, contrary to what some here semi-seriously predicted, he has ended up without a guest-commentator slot on MSNBC after all. And no “Dear Tribal Elder Nathan” column, either.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    "Ann Landers" was a pen name created by Chicago Sun-Times advice columnist Ruth Crowley in 1943 because she already had a column under her own name. When Crowley died in 1955, Eppie Lederer won a contest to take over the column.
    , @Jack Armstrong
    Artie Pfefer?

    The label rep for Spinal Tap? Small world.
    , @Hibernian
    I think one or both of them talked about or at least hinted at her Jewish faith and/or ethnicity in her column, maybe just a little. I became aware of the columns in the mid 60s when I reached the age at which kids are aware of such things. The columns could have been ultra-WASP circa 1956-1964, for all I know.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    You are surprised that two yentas telling everyone how they should behave are Jewish?
  50. @Clyde
    Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
    "Rip down all hate," I screamed
    Lies that life is black and white
    Spoke from my skull. I dreamed

    **** Straight outta Hibbing Minnesota. How times change.

    “Someone’s in the basement
    talkin’ ’bout the government.
    Someone got excited,
    gotta call the state militia, I gotta move,
    playing in a travelin’ band,
    flyin’ cross the land,
    tryin’ to get a hand.
    playing in a travelin’ band!”

    Somehow those two songs always morph together, and the better (by miles) Rock&Roll voice comes out in the end:

    Hmm, kinda eerie there with that “Seven-thoity-seven” lyric, but it’s not what he meant.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Interesting that they were bigger in Britain than over here.
    , @Clyde
    Looking at your last four peak stupidity posts....Very witty with Chelsea Hubbell. You should migrate the whole shebang to Unz. The downside is increased leftist doxing.
  51. after he had been blackballed at the White Bear Lake Yacht and Golf Club.

    The Country Club of Hate.

  52. Things sure do look shaky when two rivals can’t bury the hatchet with a good old hate-whitey powwow.

    I think the Jews got them better of them in this round. It takes a lot to be able to sob harder, louder, and longer than Jews, and the Muzzies are still pretty fresh. In time though…

  53. @Hail

    Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.
     
    Whoa. "Dear Abby" was Jewish?

    Pauline Esther "Popo" Phillips (née Friedman; July 4, 1918 – January 16, 2013), also known as Abigail Van Buren, was an American advice columnist and radio show host who began the Dear Abby column in 1956
     

    Pauline Esther Friedman, nicknamed "Popo", was born in Sioux City, Iowa, to Russian Jewish immigrants, Rebecca (née Rushall) and Abraham B. Friedman, owner of a chain of movie theaters.[3] She was the youngest of four sisters and grew up in Sioux City. Her identical twin, Esther Pauline Friedman (married name Lederer), was columnist Ann Landers
     
    "Ann Landers" also Jewish? All those decades, millions will have been none the wiser on this. I would only note in passing that they didn't write under anything like their real names ("Dear Friedman"), instead choosing two highly-WASP-seeming pseudonym-identities, 'Abigail Van Buren' and 'Ann Landers.' I guess we should be flattered. Right?

    As to Steve's statement "[Congressman Dean] Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby," this is not correct if speaking genetically, as (acc. to the Wiki) Dear Abby's son was Congressman Dean Phillips' adoptive father. Dean Philipps' birth parents, DeeDee Cohen and Artie Pfefer, were almost certainly both Jewish, anyway.

    (Note, no relation here to Heroic American-Indian Elder Nathan Phillips. Sadly for the latter, after the smoke cleared from his fifteen minutes, contrary to what some here semi-seriously predicted, he has ended up without a guest-commentator slot on MSNBC after all. And no "Dear Tribal Elder Nathan" column, either.)

    “Ann Landers” was a pen name created by Chicago Sun-Times advice columnist Ruth Crowley in 1943 because she already had a column under her own name. When Crowley died in 1955, Eppie Lederer won a contest to take over the column.

  54. @Paul
    You are badly misinformed. Actually, many among the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people were and are Christians. Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi are two well-known such persons. Christians have tended to be among the Palestinian elite.

    Reg Caesar’s comment did not imply there were/are no Palestinian Christians. My reading of his comment is that Omar would have no problem with Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Lot
    “Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians”

    Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.
    , @Paul
    Muslim and Christian Palestinians have been living together for centuries. Both were ethnically cleansed by Zionists.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Recent experience in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq suggest that Christians have it best when the Moslems are oppressed.


    https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Mideast-Syria_Muha-002.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/mideast_iraq_obit_tariq_aziz.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=300

  55. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so let me make sure I understand what happened here.

    There was a meeting between Jewish and Muslim congressmen. The reason for this was to disprove that being Jewish or Muslim creates loyalty to another country.

    And the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel - Palestine conflict... Well, at least we know our representatives are exclusively concerned with the affairs of the US, and not some low grade, never ending ethnic conflict thousands of miles from our shores(?)

    the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel – Palestine conflict

    Idea for a comedy in the grand tradition of The Odd Couple:

    “Squabbling Semites.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Idea for a comedy in the grand tradition of The Odd Couple:

    “Squabbling Semites.”
     

    Arabs (but not Persians/Iranians) are Semites.
    And as Billy Carter said, there are a lot more Arabs than Jews.

    Some Jews are real Semites, the Sephardi and Mizrahi, but Ashkenazim are semisemites at best. They are the majority of Jews in the West and dominate in Israeli politics.

    So I never miss a chance to point out that when you say "Anti-Semite' you should be perceived first and foremost as saying "Anti-Arab".

  56. You are just supposed to know which facts you can’t mention. If you have to learn which facts are off-limits for you, can we really trust you?

    Exactly. Ticking time bomb right there.

    Raskin would not discuss details of the meeting

    That’s okay. We can easily imagine how proceedings went:

    M: You know, I really hate these white racists.

    J: Oh, you think you hate them? Well let me tell you how much I hate them.

    M: Yeah but…

    J: …And what’s more, my people have been here in numbers for nearly 150 years. Yours arrived yesterday. You think you’re going to teach us how best to hate them?

  57. @Paul
    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention.

    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention

    This is one-fifteenth of one-half of one-half of Congress. Which is one-third of the branches of the federal portion of American government.

    That works out to 1/360. Or should.

  58. @Daniel H
    Muslims will not back down. They are doing the job in a democracy that white men are afraid to do.

    You are never as free as when you have little to lose.

    It’s not that. It’s specifically the fact that they’re Muslim, it comes first. They would rather lose everything than betray their faith and their fellow Muslims. White men could learn a lot from them.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    Is that why they are constantly blowing each other up?
  59. We need two countries.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Here or the middle east?
  60. “It’s very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It’s not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one’s position on the issue.”

    I believe this could be the beginning of the end of the Democrat party as we know it…If we can hold on long enough I think many normal Dems will leave the party and become either Independent/Unaffiliated or Republican and the Dems will morph into the party of minorities and a small bank of white radical nuts like DeBlasio in NY, for instance…who by the way just had another major smack in the face today when only 7 black students got accepted into Stuyvesant this year…they just released the acceptance letters…He was trying to convince the State to change the admissions process and not accept so many Asian students (who make up 70% of the admissions into the school) and Cuomo totally ignored him…Of course, now the Asians hate DeBlasio too for trying to mess up their kids educational opportunities like he’s been doing to White kids for the last five years he’s been in office…

    This after Amazon walked a few weeks ago…the smackdown is beginning…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Dem whites don’t care about any of that. They care about distinguishing themselves from other whites. Rs are handy.
  61. @Paul
    You are badly misinformed. Actually, many among the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people were and are Christians. Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi are two well-known such persons. Christians have tended to be among the Palestinian elite.

    Just like there USED to be numerous Christians in Iraq and Syria and Christians USED to share power in Lebanon.

    How are Christians in those countries faring NOW?

    Hint: Iraq’s Christian community has been reduced by about 75%. In Syria, the MODERATE rebels had as their slogan, “Christians to Lebanon, Alawites against the wall.”

    • Replies: @Lot
    The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.
    , @Paul
    How the indigenous Palestinian people (Christian and Muslim) doing?
  62. Pelosi, Schumer et al are a veritable Nobel committee put against this new crop.

    The oblivious liquor heir Rep. Phillips seems vaguely reminiscent of Paul Rudd’s turn as candy-fortune-scion-turned-local-politician Bobby Newport on the sometimes great Parks and Recreation.

  63. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel – Palestine conflict
     
    Idea for a comedy in the grand tradition of The Odd Couple:

    "Squabbling Semites."

    Idea for a comedy in the grand tradition of The Odd Couple:

    “Squabbling Semites.”

    Arabs (but not Persians/Iranians) are Semites.
    And as Billy Carter said, there are a lot more Arabs than Jews.

    Some Jews are real Semites, the Sephardi and Mizrahi, but Ashkenazim are semisemites at best. They are the majority of Jews in the West and dominate in Israeli politics.

    So I never miss a chance to point out that when you say “Anti-Semite’ you should be perceived first and foremost as saying “Anti-Arab”.

  64. @Paul
    This is the Congress. Try to pay attention.

    But as Steve has pointed out, a member of the House can get elected while appealing to much narrower demographics than a Senator can. Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.
     
    We were this close to getting six years of nonstop entertainment with Roy Moore.

    As much as I hate the ratfuckers who robbed us of him for subverting the democratic process, I hate them more for denying me what would have doubtless been a hilarious show.

    , @Hibernian
    With Sens. Durbin and Whitehouse, etc, in the Senate, the last sentence is debatable, although I'm not sure entertaining is the most descriptive word.
  65. @Enemy of Earth
    Really enjoyed reading this. I am a refugee from Illinois who relocated to Minnesota last year. When someone asks where I live I am tempted to say just outside of Mogadishu.

    I've been intrigued by the flapping hands and hyperventilating surrounding remarks made by the head covered representative from my new home state. I don't think she said anything that was untrue about the Jewish lobby's influence in the fetid swamp of D.C. She has said some bat-shit crazy things but this was not one of them. Methinks they (AIPAC, the MSM, etc.) doth protest too much. I guess it's hate speech because they hate what she said.

    I think it's pretty funny how another representative from Minnesota threw a hand grenade right in the middle of was probably meant to be a momentous kumbaya moment.

    Illinois to Minnesota: Is that frying pan into the fire or the other way round?

    • Replies: @Enemy of Earth
    IL to MN has been good. We moved up here because we have a 22 year old daughter with significant special needs who required a residential program. Illinois ranks 49th or 50th in available resources for adults with special needs. We had started looking for a program for her when she was 18 because in the Illinois school system special needs kids age out at 21. Programs were folding left and right, could not find a program. We found a great program in MN and got on their waiting list and she was accepted last year. We moved her up last May, bought a town house up here, sold our place in Illinois and moved up last June. Property taxes are not onerous. And we have discovered that "Minnesota Nice" is not just a catchy slogan. Folks up here are generally friendly and polite. Not missing Illinois at all, except for one son who still lives there.
  66. @Boethiuss
    Yeah yeah yeah it's all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I'm not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that's what's good for The Team.

    When we're looking for a coalition that's falling apart, it's way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    Good points.

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.
     
    Yeah, that among other things.

    This is a good example of Steve's mentality which took me a while to figure out. Relating to things like this, Steve is interested in demographics, sociology, and genetics. And by contrast he's basically bored by nuts-and-bolts horse-race politics. This is a good part of what's behind the things he's written over the last, say, two decades. While the rest of us were looking at New Hampshire primary poll data, Steve was looking at white women's marriage and fertility patterns, etc.

    Even though I'm more of a horse-race guy myself, Steve's approach has something to be said for it: it's not too hard to believe that sociology, etc, is just inherently more interesting than horse-race politics.

    That said, one consequence of that is blind spots like this one. The centrifugal forces acting on the Coalition of the Fringes are the results of demographics, so Steve is dialed in right away, but the centripetal forces on the Fringes are just bog standard regular politics, so they simply pass beneath notice.

    But, just because garden variety politics are less interesting than Steve's wheelhouse, it doesn't mean that they're not real, just like you said. And here, whatever can be said about the centrifugal forces acting on the Fringes, I can't see any reason to think they're going to overcome the opposing centripetal forces. Especially now.
    , @Prof. Woland
    The interesting thing about a winner take all system is that there are really only two parties irrespective of how many interest groups are in it. If the US had some type of proportional representative system you would see 5 different parties on the right and 20 on the left.

    This is why the caucuses are so dominant on the left. Nancy Poolside won't blink without their blessing and it should come as no surprise that the dominant ones are the ethnic based. This is exactly why the Democrats could not cut a deal with Trump on immigration. On the right you have the business types, the gun lobby, and the religious lobby which are important but they are probably stronger than they should be because the right cannot rally around race like the left can. By implicitly running as the white candidate, Trump completely overturned the apple cart because it simultaneously unified the right around who they really are while escaping the blockade imposed by the left. All they can do is gnash their teeth.
  67. Hail says: • Website

    OT:

    Nothing on the Utrecht terror attack across the Unz Review, I see.

    And, in fact, relatively little elsewhere. No ‘news flashes’ that I noticed. Hardly covered in U.S. media. Utrecht wasn’t trending on Twitter as of Attack +12 hours or so. Granted, maybe the hashtag was internally suppressed. Several frivolous terms were trending, including “Cookie Monster.”

    In case people missed it: A Turkish-origin gunman shot eight; three dead. Incident happened ~18 hours ago as of this post. Not sure when it hit the news as a terror attack, but not too long after that.

    Is a three-bodybag AllahuAkbar event not enough to register on the radar anymore?

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    One news organization tried selling it as a domestic dispute. I guess the guy has 8 wives.
    , @Clyde

    Nothing on the Utrecht terror attack across the Unz Review, I see.
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6821647/Gunman-opens-fire-tram-Holland-wounding-people.html
    Not terrorism. A Mad Turk gunned down a relative on a crowded train. The others were killed-wounded-maimed for life as they tried to intervene.
  68. @Boethiuss
    Yeah yeah yeah it's all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I'm not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that's what's good for The Team.

    When we're looking for a coalition that's falling apart, it's way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.

    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat’s take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can’t win Texas. So what, Trump can’t win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it’s game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain’t happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.
     
    I don't know if they cater so much to the rank and file Blacks as they buy off the "Black Leadership", and most blacks simply vote how they are told by this "Black Leadership". I mean what did Obama do for Blacks who didn't 1) have a Harvard degree and 2) pass the paper bag test? Not a lot. Blacks have done better under Trump in every metric, and some of them realize it yet of those most would never vote for him.

    Consider the "cash for clunkers" which got rid of the supply of the kinds of cars underclass Blacks drive-fully depreciated yet still running sedans and SUVs. That was what all of the black women I worked with in call centers drove. Yeah, he gave'em sail foams, but those are so cheap now it seems like a minor benefit.

    Letting blacks alone with the Dems and making it clear to all but actively self-hating Whites that they need to vote pro-white, and having the GOP BE that pro-white party is the right way to go. Isn't there a name for this strategy somewhere? Some guy in California, I think?
    , @lavoisier

    For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.
     
    It is both of these things.
    , @Clyde
    Don't bet against blank slate Beto, baby. He has a very presentable wife. Get her up there in campaign appearances! Three acceptable children. Great family imaging, you might even think he is a Republican normie. Image and finesse is everything these days. And will provide cover for Beto's loony leftism. Beto is as loony left as Kams and the other harridans running like Gillibrand and Kobluchar.
    Plus Beto is a money magnet for donors. His money bomb of a few days ago pulled in 6 million. While Kams and Berns only got one million.
    , @Boethiuss

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat’s take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can’t win Texas. So what, Trump can’t win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it’s game over.
     
    This is way too optimistic. Beto or Biden are probably better candidates than others that the Democrats might nominate, eg, better than Kamala Harris or Liz Warren, but it won't make any difference. Trump's a loser. If he's still our guy on next Election Day, we'll lose too.

    In fact, this is another case of what I was talking about in my other comment. Steve invented the Sailer Strategy for the GOP which in political terms is a summary of everything he's written about demographics for 20+ years. And because the Sailer Strategy was such giant leap from the way we thought before, it's hard to imagine thinking any other way.

    But even if the Sailer Strategy worked for candidate Trump, it's not working for President Trump. The demographic-motivated train of thought that got Trump into the Oval Office is now being clearly overcome by basic politics: Orange Man Bad. Affordable Family Formation, The Most Important Graph in the World, Invade the World Invite the World, border security, blah blah blah: none of those things are important in world of Orange Man Bad.

    And what I'm really afraid of is that we'll still be living in a world of Orange Man Bad post-Trump, unless somehow we can take away the GOP nomination from Trump before Election Day.
    , @Anon
    There's a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because 'he's the guy who's there and we're used to him.' Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn't going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.

    Remember, there are a lot of low-information voters who decide on the basis of a candidate's personality because they honestly don't understand the issues. People have had 2 years of seeing the left try to nail Trump just because he's Trump, and everyone knows it's a crock of nonsense. The people who were never going to vote for Trump won't, but Trump has solid Republican support, and the fence sitters are going to come down on Trump's side because he's president, they know the worst about him and they can live with it, and all the candidates on the left are either crooks, nuts, or too goofy to trust with running the country. Trump will win 2020, and he'll win bigger than he did in 2016.
  69. @Hapalong Cassidy
    But as Steve has pointed out, a member of the House can get elected while appealing to much narrower demographics than a Senator can. Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.

    Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.

    We were this close to getting six years of nonstop entertainment with Roy Moore.

    As much as I hate the ratfuckers who robbed us of him for subverting the democratic process, I hate them more for denying me what would have doubtless been a hilarious show.

  70. @Bragadocious
    Does Tlaib even know about the golfocaust? Sheesh, what a tone deaf prog. Someone sit her down and explain the indignity of having to play the local muni while your course is being built.

    Well played sir, you know who plays municipal courses, right? Goy proles, THE HORROR, THE HORROR.

  71. @FPD72
    Just like there USED to be numerous Christians in Iraq and Syria and Christians USED to share power in Lebanon.

    How are Christians in those countries faring NOW?

    Hint: Iraq’s Christian community has been reduced by about 75%. In Syria, the MODERATE rebels had as their slogan, “Christians to Lebanon, Alawites against the wall.”

    The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.'

    This is so tedious. If, of the three Abrahamic religions, it is the Muslims who are genocidal, why is it that it is only the Muslim states which have tolerated large minorities of the other two faiths for extended periods of time?
  72. @Hail
    Reg Caesar's comment did not imply there were/are no Palestinian Christians. My reading of his comment is that Omar would have no problem with Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians.

    “Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians”

    Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.'

    No, you arrest those they elect. Don't lie about what you do.
    , @Paul
    Enfranchisement would mean an end to ethnic cleansing, which is not really a Zionist thing.
  73. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    Looks like FGM was performed on both of them and it definitely makes the Weiners scowl.

    BTW – type in clitorectomy or clitoridectomy as a Google search and you get a small, smiling butch-looking woman or a very feminine man with a t-shirt that says, “too cute to be binary.” Nothing to indicate that this barbaric, filthy, inhuman brutality rips apart a woman.

    The Google Nazis should start preforming this ghastly mutilation on themselves sans anesthesia. I think they might change the results of the search.

  74. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    I don’t know if they cater so much to the rank and file Blacks as they buy off the “Black Leadership”, and most blacks simply vote how they are told by this “Black Leadership”. I mean what did Obama do for Blacks who didn’t 1) have a Harvard degree and 2) pass the paper bag test? Not a lot. Blacks have done better under Trump in every metric, and some of them realize it yet of those most would never vote for him.

    Consider the “cash for clunkers” which got rid of the supply of the kinds of cars underclass Blacks drive-fully depreciated yet still running sedans and SUVs. That was what all of the black women I worked with in call centers drove. Yeah, he gave’em sail foams, but those are so cheap now it seems like a minor benefit.

    Letting blacks alone with the Dems and making it clear to all but actively self-hating Whites that they need to vote pro-white, and having the GOP BE that pro-white party is the right way to go. Isn’t there a name for this strategy somewhere? Some guy in California, I think?

  75. @Lot
    Good points.

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.

    Yeah, that among other things.

    This is a good example of Steve’s mentality which took me a while to figure out. Relating to things like this, Steve is interested in demographics, sociology, and genetics. And by contrast he’s basically bored by nuts-and-bolts horse-race politics. This is a good part of what’s behind the things he’s written over the last, say, two decades. While the rest of us were looking at New Hampshire primary poll data, Steve was looking at white women’s marriage and fertility patterns, etc.

    Even though I’m more of a horse-race guy myself, Steve’s approach has something to be said for it: it’s not too hard to believe that sociology, etc, is just inherently more interesting than horse-race politics.

    That said, one consequence of that is blind spots like this one. The centrifugal forces acting on the Coalition of the Fringes are the results of demographics, so Steve is dialed in right away, but the centripetal forces on the Fringes are just bog standard regular politics, so they simply pass beneath notice.

    But, just because garden variety politics are less interesting than Steve’s wheelhouse, it doesn’t mean that they’re not real, just like you said. And here, whatever can be said about the centrifugal forces acting on the Fringes, I can’t see any reason to think they’re going to overcome the opposing centripetal forces. Especially now.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Good analysis. I agree w you that the Dem's fringes are holding up OK. They can squabble and snipe away at each other now, but come November 2020, getting them out voting for Democrat Presidential Candidate X will be easier than getting Trump's white prole base to turn out. Trump can still win. He has great incentives to win again, as NY State AG files cases against him to bankrupt him. But cannot swing into action until Trump is no longer President.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Good analysis. There's a lot of horse race stuff I'm not all that interested in because its sell-by date is short.

    The centrifugal forces on the Coalition of the Fringes is a long term question that I expect to get mileage out of for years. On the other hand, lots of talented people are trying to engage centripetal forces for the Democrats, such as by focusing on health care and ignoring reparations.

  76. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    Whos’ the chick with Paulie Shore?

  77. @MBlanc46
    Illinois to Minnesota: Is that frying pan into the fire or the other way round?

    IL to MN has been good. We moved up here because we have a 22 year old daughter with significant special needs who required a residential program. Illinois ranks 49th or 50th in available resources for adults with special needs. We had started looking for a program for her when she was 18 because in the Illinois school system special needs kids age out at 21. Programs were folding left and right, could not find a program. We found a great program in MN and got on their waiting list and she was accepted last year. We moved her up last May, bought a town house up here, sold our place in Illinois and moved up last June. Property taxes are not onerous. And we have discovered that “Minnesota Nice” is not just a catchy slogan. Folks up here are generally friendly and polite. Not missing Illinois at all, except for one son who still lives there.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Illinois ranks 49th or 50th in available resources for adults with special needs.
     
    Unless you have connections. Lots of jobs in Chicago.
  78. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    It's not that. It's specifically the fact that they're Muslim, it comes first. They would rather lose everything than betray their faith and their fellow Muslims. White men could learn a lot from them.

    Is that why they are constantly blowing each other up?

  79. The meeting was supposed to ease tensions between Muslim and Jewish Democrats. It ended with tears.

    What they wanted to do was reenact that scene in Don’t Mess With The Zohan where the Jews and Palestinians bury the hatchet and bond over their mutual hatred for those evil white guys.

    I remember when this was a country for my people, not just a sporting venue for an extended grudge match between hostile aliens.

  80. @Achmed E. Newman
    "Someone's in the basement
    talkin' 'bout the government.
    Someone got excited,
    gotta call the state militia, I gotta move,
    playing in a travelin' band,
    flyin' cross the land,
    tryin' to get a hand.
    playing in a travelin' band!"

    Somehow those two songs always morph together, and the better (by miles) Rock&Roll voice comes out in the end:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcJ5WQSamQ

    Hmm, kinda eerie there with that "Seven-thoity-seven" lyric, but it's not what he meant.

    Interesting that they were bigger in Britain than over here.

  81. @Hail
    OT:

    Nothing on the Utrecht terror attack across the Unz Review, I see.

    And, in fact, relatively little elsewhere. No 'news flashes' that I noticed. Hardly covered in U.S. media. Utrecht wasn't trending on Twitter as of Attack +12 hours or so. Granted, maybe the hashtag was internally suppressed. Several frivolous terms were trending, including "Cookie Monster."

    In case people missed it: A Turkish-origin gunman shot eight; three dead. Incident happened ~18 hours ago as of this post. Not sure when it hit the news as a terror attack, but not too long after that.

    Is a three-bodybag AllahuAkbar event not enough to register on the radar anymore?

    One news organization tried selling it as a domestic dispute. I guess the guy has 8 wives.

  82. @Lot
    “Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians”

    Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.

    ‘…Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.’

    No, you arrest those they elect. Don’t lie about what you do.

  83. @Lot
    The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.

    ‘The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.’

    This is so tedious. If, of the three Abrahamic religions, it is the Muslims who are genocidal, why is it that it is only the Muslim states which have tolerated large minorities of the other two faiths for extended periods of time?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Well for one thing, Muslims had to semi-tolerate them if they wanted to rule them at all. Non-Muslims living in Muslim areas always thought Islam was too stupid a religion to convert to, which is why mass conversions to Islam didn't occur despite Islamic rule. Non-Muslims didn't respect Muslims enough to do that. In places like the Ottoman Empire and Spain, non-Muslims were usually smarter, better educated, more sophisticated, more capable, and quite often richer than the mass of Muslims living in those places.

    Heck, the closest thing Muslims ever got to in creating a Pan-Muslim empire was the Ottoman Empire, and the crazy thing was that it was still run by European whites. Kidnapped whites provided the administration and ran the military. If your own people can't run its own military and perform basic administrative duties, you're really pathetic.
  84. @Hail
    Reg Caesar's comment did not imply there were/are no Palestinian Christians. My reading of his comment is that Omar would have no problem with Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians.

    Muslim and Christian Palestinians have been living together for centuries. Both were ethnically cleansed by Zionists.

  85. @Lot
    “Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians”

    Disenfranchisement would require there be elections, which isn’t really a Arab thing.

    We do sometimes bribe and cajole them into having elections, and then usually regret it.

    Enfranchisement would mean an end to ethnic cleansing, which is not really a Zionist thing.

  86. @FPD72
    Just like there USED to be numerous Christians in Iraq and Syria and Christians USED to share power in Lebanon.

    How are Christians in those countries faring NOW?

    Hint: Iraq’s Christian community has been reduced by about 75%. In Syria, the MODERATE rebels had as their slogan, “Christians to Lebanon, Alawites against the wall.”

    How the indigenous Palestinian people (Christian and Muslim) doing?

  87. @Mr McKenna
    https://wjon.com/files/2017/05/Dean-Phillips.jpg

    "Dean Benson Phillips" who replaced Republican Erik Paulsen as U.S. Representative from Minnesota's 3rd congressional district.

    "Phillips was born to DeeDee and Artie Pfefer in 1969. Artie was killed in the Vietnam War when Dean was six months old. DeeDee later married Eddie Phillips, heir to the Phillips Distilling Company and son of Pauline Phillips.

    "Phillips graduated from Brown University in 1991. He worked for InMotion for two years, then joined the family company. He completed his Master of Business Administration from the University of Minnesota in 2000, and was named president of Phillips Distilling."

    Committee assignments:
    - Committee on Financial Services
    - - Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion

  88. @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    It is both of these things.

  89. @Hail
    Reg Caesar's comment did not imply there were/are no Palestinian Christians. My reading of his comment is that Omar would have no problem with Muslims in their second-state-solution disenfranchising the Palestinian Christians.

    Recent experience in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq suggest that Christians have it best when the Moslems are oppressed.

  90. @Reg Cæsar
    <

    b>The Coalition of the Fringes Holds a Muslim-Jewish Encounter Session. It All Ends in Tears.
     
    Sounds like a certain marriage writ large.


    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5776be36c6c9fcc921a03a40/master/w_960,c_limit/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-marriage.jpg

    If it weren’t for Weiner’s laptop, Comey would not have temporarily “reopened” the investigation against Clinton two weeks before the election. And she would be president instead of Trump.

    Weiner – although preposterous – is a world-historical figure.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    If it weren’t for Weiner’s laptop......
     
    NYPD pro-Trumpers had his laptop and put pressure on the FBI anti-Trumpers. You know the details and so do I.
  91. @Enemy of Earth
    IL to MN has been good. We moved up here because we have a 22 year old daughter with significant special needs who required a residential program. Illinois ranks 49th or 50th in available resources for adults with special needs. We had started looking for a program for her when she was 18 because in the Illinois school system special needs kids age out at 21. Programs were folding left and right, could not find a program. We found a great program in MN and got on their waiting list and she was accepted last year. We moved her up last May, bought a town house up here, sold our place in Illinois and moved up last June. Property taxes are not onerous. And we have discovered that "Minnesota Nice" is not just a catchy slogan. Folks up here are generally friendly and polite. Not missing Illinois at all, except for one son who still lives there.

    Illinois ranks 49th or 50th in available resources for adults with special needs.

    Unless you have connections. Lots of jobs in Chicago.

  92. Jews created diversity. Now it comes back on them.

    I’m loving it!!!!!!

  93. @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    Don’t bet against blank slate Beto, baby. He has a very presentable wife. Get her up there in campaign appearances! Three acceptable children. Great family imaging, you might even think he is a Republican normie. Image and finesse is everything these days. And will provide cover for Beto’s loony leftism. Beto is as loony left as Kams and the other harridans running like Gillibrand and Kobluchar.
    Plus Beto is a money magnet for donors. His money bomb of a few days ago pulled in 6 million. While Kams and Berns only got one million.

    • Replies: @Tex
    IIRC, Beto's father-in-law is a deep pockets type.

    He raises lots of cash and has a lot of buzz around him. I assume that's b/c Dem big shots want a white candidate on the national stage that isn't geriatric. Picking off Cruz would have made Beto presidential material. As it is, he's got the blank slate going for him, and buckets of money (presumably), but I'm not sure what else.

    I think that begs the question, can a white guy win the Dem nomination.

    If you could merge Beto (charm, such as it is) & Biden (experience, and a passable imitation of gravitas), you'd have a pretty strong candidate.
  94. The White party thing always fails. Problem: most White women hate hate hate White men and l ove gays, Blacks Muslims etc like JK Rowling. Give most White women money and they turn into her.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "most White women hate hate hate White men and l ove gays, Blacks Muslims etc like JK Rowling"

    It's getting a bit tired. Most white women voted for Trump.

    JK Rowling's not every white woman - she's better looking to start with. Like Streep, hate her politics, admire her fecundity. She seems quite sensible if politics doesn't come up.

    She seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn't write about in the book and it didn't make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children's author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.

  95. @Hypnotoad666
    If it weren't for Weiner's laptop, Comey would not have temporarily "reopened" the investigation against Clinton two weeks before the election. And she would be president instead of Trump.

    Weiner - although preposterous - is a world-historical figure.

    If it weren’t for Weiner’s laptop……

    NYPD pro-Trumpers had his laptop and put pressure on the FBI anti-Trumpers. You know the details and so do I.

  96. @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat’s take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can’t win Texas. So what, Trump can’t win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it’s game over.

    This is way too optimistic. Beto or Biden are probably better candidates than others that the Democrats might nominate, eg, better than Kamala Harris or Liz Warren, but it won’t make any difference. Trump’s a loser. If he’s still our guy on next Election Day, we’ll lose too.

    In fact, this is another case of what I was talking about in my other comment. Steve invented the Sailer Strategy for the GOP which in political terms is a summary of everything he’s written about demographics for 20+ years. And because the Sailer Strategy was such giant leap from the way we thought before, it’s hard to imagine thinking any other way.

    But even if the Sailer Strategy worked for candidate Trump, it’s not working for President Trump. The demographic-motivated train of thought that got Trump into the Oval Office is now being clearly overcome by basic politics: Orange Man Bad. Affordable Family Formation, The Most Important Graph in the World, Invade the World Invite the World, border security, blah blah blah: none of those things are important in world of Orange Man Bad.

    And what I’m really afraid of is that we’ll still be living in a world of Orange Man Bad post-Trump, unless somehow we can take away the GOP nomination from Trump before Election Day.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I wish you were wrong, but you’re not.

    I noticed Pelosi said she won’t impeach. She knows she’s better with Trump than Pence.

    I do think Trump would beat Kamala, and have a small shot against Warren. But parties usually nominate one of their strongest candidates. In this case, Biden Bernie Beto, in that order.
    , @Anon

    If he’s still our guy on next Election Day, we’ll lose too.
     
    Who's "we"? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam's Razor suggests that you're here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Trump’s a loser.
     
    Compared to who, you -- the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?

    Nothing, I just hate DRUMPF.

    OK then...

    Any time good wholesome hard-working populists try to build something, whether it is the Tea Party of Trumpism or whatever comes next, disingenuous slugs like Beothiuss and Lot will be there to piss all over it.

  97. @Boethiuss

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.
     
    Yeah, that among other things.

    This is a good example of Steve's mentality which took me a while to figure out. Relating to things like this, Steve is interested in demographics, sociology, and genetics. And by contrast he's basically bored by nuts-and-bolts horse-race politics. This is a good part of what's behind the things he's written over the last, say, two decades. While the rest of us were looking at New Hampshire primary poll data, Steve was looking at white women's marriage and fertility patterns, etc.

    Even though I'm more of a horse-race guy myself, Steve's approach has something to be said for it: it's not too hard to believe that sociology, etc, is just inherently more interesting than horse-race politics.

    That said, one consequence of that is blind spots like this one. The centrifugal forces acting on the Coalition of the Fringes are the results of demographics, so Steve is dialed in right away, but the centripetal forces on the Fringes are just bog standard regular politics, so they simply pass beneath notice.

    But, just because garden variety politics are less interesting than Steve's wheelhouse, it doesn't mean that they're not real, just like you said. And here, whatever can be said about the centrifugal forces acting on the Fringes, I can't see any reason to think they're going to overcome the opposing centripetal forces. Especially now.

    Good analysis. I agree w you that the Dem’s fringes are holding up OK. They can squabble and snipe away at each other now, but come November 2020, getting them out voting for Democrat Presidential Candidate X will be easier than getting Trump’s white prole base to turn out. Trump can still win. He has great incentives to win again, as NY State AG files cases against him to bankrupt him. But cannot swing into action until Trump is no longer President.

  98. Somewhat OT, but also somewhat relevant to this thread. Apparently DNA has either confirmed, or come close to confirming the ID of Jack The Ripper. I’m not bothering to post links, you can find it easy enough, but the headlines are more or less ‘Polish Barber Supected as London’s Most Notorious Serial Killer.’

    What they’re not saying is that the suspect, Kominsky (sp?) was a jew who wasn’t ever charged because a fellow jew refused to testify against him. Scotland Yard dropped the case when Kominsky was sent to an asylum.

    The thing is, the jew from Poland angle was know for at least a decade or so (that’s from when I remember it). Admittedly, this is small potatoes in the grand scheme of news media subterfuge, but it lines up with a bunch of what we’re seeing now. If I lived in Omar’s district (Heaven help me) I’d vote for her out of spite.

  99. @Hail
    OT:

    Nothing on the Utrecht terror attack across the Unz Review, I see.

    And, in fact, relatively little elsewhere. No 'news flashes' that I noticed. Hardly covered in U.S. media. Utrecht wasn't trending on Twitter as of Attack +12 hours or so. Granted, maybe the hashtag was internally suppressed. Several frivolous terms were trending, including "Cookie Monster."

    In case people missed it: A Turkish-origin gunman shot eight; three dead. Incident happened ~18 hours ago as of this post. Not sure when it hit the news as a terror attack, but not too long after that.

    Is a three-bodybag AllahuAkbar event not enough to register on the radar anymore?

    Nothing on the Utrecht terror attack across the Unz Review, I see.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6821647/Gunman-opens-fire-tram-Holland-wounding-people.html
    Not terrorism. A Mad Turk gunned down a relative on a crowded train. The others were killed-wounded-maimed for life as they tried to intervene.

  100. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope this issue continues to flare up and I think it will. Tlaib and Omar have staked out their position and there’s no backing down; Tlaib in particular will never spit on her family’s suffering to appease the neurotic sensibilities of a bunch of affluent American Jews. Omar is feisty and opinionated and this whole episode has probably only strengthened her opinions. AOC will continue to stay out of it publicly, but even her silence speaks volumes (cf. the condemnations from Chelsea Clinton and other minions of the establishment).

    All this occurs against a backdrop of continued aggressive Israeli expansion and a not-exactly liberal attitude towards Palestinians in the West Bank. Every few weeks we’ll get a new cell phone video of some random Arab getting shot by Israeli border guards. The insurgent Dems will have plenty of ammo, pardon the pun to use, against the Zionists.

    And if Trump and the Republicans are smart, they will exploit this heavily in 2020: regardless of who the particular Democratic candidate is, whether on the local/state/national level, the real opponent is Ocasi0-Cortez and Omar. Like the man said: may you live in interesting times.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Radical Muslims have never managed to be quiet or peaceful anywhere, and they're not going to be like that in the US Congress either. That would require too much maturity for them.
  101. @Hail

    Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.
     
    Whoa. "Dear Abby" was Jewish?

    Pauline Esther "Popo" Phillips (née Friedman; July 4, 1918 – January 16, 2013), also known as Abigail Van Buren, was an American advice columnist and radio show host who began the Dear Abby column in 1956
     

    Pauline Esther Friedman, nicknamed "Popo", was born in Sioux City, Iowa, to Russian Jewish immigrants, Rebecca (née Rushall) and Abraham B. Friedman, owner of a chain of movie theaters.[3] She was the youngest of four sisters and grew up in Sioux City. Her identical twin, Esther Pauline Friedman (married name Lederer), was columnist Ann Landers
     
    "Ann Landers" also Jewish? All those decades, millions will have been none the wiser on this. I would only note in passing that they didn't write under anything like their real names ("Dear Friedman"), instead choosing two highly-WASP-seeming pseudonym-identities, 'Abigail Van Buren' and 'Ann Landers.' I guess we should be flattered. Right?

    As to Steve's statement "[Congressman Dean] Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby," this is not correct if speaking genetically, as (acc. to the Wiki) Dear Abby's son was Congressman Dean Phillips' adoptive father. Dean Philipps' birth parents, DeeDee Cohen and Artie Pfefer, were almost certainly both Jewish, anyway.

    (Note, no relation here to Heroic American-Indian Elder Nathan Phillips. Sadly for the latter, after the smoke cleared from his fifteen minutes, contrary to what some here semi-seriously predicted, he has ended up without a guest-commentator slot on MSNBC after all. And no "Dear Tribal Elder Nathan" column, either.)

    Artie Pfefer?

    The label rep for Spinal Tap? Small world.

  102. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul
    The hostility against the indigenous Palestinian people (Canaanites) from many fundamentalist Christians seems to be (as best I can surmise) due to a bizarre belief that the Jewish squatters in Palestine portend the end times (to which such fundamentalists look forward).

    The hostility against the indigenous Palestinian people (Canaanites) from many fundamentalist Christians seems to be (as best I can surmise) due to a bizarre belief that the Jewish squatters in Palestine portend the end times (to which such fundamentalists look forward).

    These fundies are a bunch of idiots who have adopted ideas alien to the Reformers, to say nothing of Catholics or Orthodox, coming from Darby and the Scofield Reference bible. I call them God-Damned Rapture Bunnies.

    TV preachers endorsing such ideas are those who get airtime. Anyone denouncing such ideas does not. It’s a total mystery why this is. (Actually it isn’t. Go into a “Christian Bookstore”, not the publishers, and find out who owns or distributes them.)

    Every. Single. Time.

  103. @Boethiuss

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat’s take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can’t win Texas. So what, Trump can’t win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it’s game over.
     
    This is way too optimistic. Beto or Biden are probably better candidates than others that the Democrats might nominate, eg, better than Kamala Harris or Liz Warren, but it won't make any difference. Trump's a loser. If he's still our guy on next Election Day, we'll lose too.

    In fact, this is another case of what I was talking about in my other comment. Steve invented the Sailer Strategy for the GOP which in political terms is a summary of everything he's written about demographics for 20+ years. And because the Sailer Strategy was such giant leap from the way we thought before, it's hard to imagine thinking any other way.

    But even if the Sailer Strategy worked for candidate Trump, it's not working for President Trump. The demographic-motivated train of thought that got Trump into the Oval Office is now being clearly overcome by basic politics: Orange Man Bad. Affordable Family Formation, The Most Important Graph in the World, Invade the World Invite the World, border security, blah blah blah: none of those things are important in world of Orange Man Bad.

    And what I'm really afraid of is that we'll still be living in a world of Orange Man Bad post-Trump, unless somehow we can take away the GOP nomination from Trump before Election Day.

    I wish you were wrong, but you’re not.

    I noticed Pelosi said she won’t impeach. She knows she’s better with Trump than Pence.

    I do think Trump would beat Kamala, and have a small shot against Warren. But parties usually nominate one of their strongest candidates. In this case, Biden Bernie Beto, in that order.

  104. @Redneck farmer
    Maybe a Constitutional Amendment? You can't get elected to Congress unless you're the 4th generation born here?

    That’d leave out 50% of the guys here, including me unless one Boston born Boston Irish great grand parent would qualify me.

  105. @Reg Cæsar

    Someone in the threads asked where’s Chuck Schumer been.
     
    In the Senate. This is the House.

    All Good People must weigh in on such issues and surely that includes the leader of the Senior Chamber of the Legislative Branch.

  106. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.
     
    Not only is the coalition of the fringes NOT falling apart, they are doing a pretty good job of retaining a materially significant number of White voters, despite their innate anti-White bias, which provides their margin of victory. For an openly anti-White party to be able to get 40% of the White vote (actually 44% in the 2018 midterms) is either an indictment on the stupidity of those White voters, or on the pathetic nature of what passes for the GOP.

    You really have to hand it to the democrats. They bring in the votes of those to whom they cater and of those for home they hate. They openly cater to blacks and routinely garner 90% of that vote. They openly criticize Whites and can expect 40% of that vote.

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat's take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can't win Texas. So what, Trump can't win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it's game over.

    But all the democrat has to do, assuming 2020 has the same results as 2016, is flip 10K votes in Michigan and 45K votes in Pennsylvania. They were caught off guard in 2016. Do you think that will happen again? Both states have a giant metro full of blacks in Detroit and Philly. How hard do you think it will be to manufacture votes from those areas?

    Waiting on the coalition of the fringes to crack is like waiting on perpetrators of Russia gate to face justice. It ain't happening unless the GOP goes full Machiavelli.

    There’s a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because ‘he’s the guy who’s there and we’re used to him.’ Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn’t going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.

    Remember, there are a lot of low-information voters who decide on the basis of a candidate’s personality because they honestly don’t understand the issues. People have had 2 years of seeing the left try to nail Trump just because he’s Trump, and everyone knows it’s a crock of nonsense. The people who were never going to vote for Trump won’t, but Trump has solid Republican support, and the fence sitters are going to come down on Trump’s side because he’s president, they know the worst about him and they can live with it, and all the candidates on the left are either crooks, nuts, or too goofy to trust with running the country. Trump will win 2020, and he’ll win bigger than he did in 2016.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    There’s a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because ‘he’s the guy who’s there and we’re used to him.’ Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn’t going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.
     
    Yeah, I might tend to believe this more if we weren't living in a world of Orange Man Bad. Among other things we just finished an election six months ago or whatever where we just got our asses handed to us.

    I'd like to be sympathetic to the idea that low-information personality-driven voters are going to come back to Trump out of familiarity like they might for any other incumbent, but I can't. From what we've seen over the last year or so that is the exact opposite of their intentions.

    In a running theme on this thread, this is a situation where we're likely to be ignoring garden variety political considerations which for the moment are outweighing longer term demographics. Ie, most of us are looking at things through the lens of the Sailer Strategy. We're the Core Americans, the other side is the Fringes. If the GOP could just get the wall, stop immigration, promote higher wages for blue collar labor, etc, their share of the Core vote would go through the roof and they'd be able to beat whatever the Fringes do.

    Whatever could be said about that ten years ago, it's not what's happening now and it's not what governed the last midterm. In the world of Orange Man Bad and the 2018 midterm and relative to where we were five years ago, we are winning the Fringe and losing the Core.

    The GOP didn't lose 2018 in Des Moines and OKC and Phoenix and Orange County because they failed to build a wall. They have been successful in those places for decades without a wall. No, the answer is quite a bit simpler than that. Core America Thinks Orange Man Bad.
    , @William Badwhite
    Cue up Yeb! Boethius telling us how if the Repubs just recycle some loser like Romney or dolt like Rubio, order will be returned and we'll all live happily ever after.

    THIS will be the time that the base decides to support yet another bought-and-paid-for, blow-dried empty suit spouting invade the world/invite the world nonsense while hiding under his desk in case someone calls him "racist".

    Or maybe we can get some foreigner like Nikki Haley to fight for Americans?
  107. @Hail

    Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.
     
    Whoa. "Dear Abby" was Jewish?

    Pauline Esther "Popo" Phillips (née Friedman; July 4, 1918 – January 16, 2013), also known as Abigail Van Buren, was an American advice columnist and radio show host who began the Dear Abby column in 1956
     

    Pauline Esther Friedman, nicknamed "Popo", was born in Sioux City, Iowa, to Russian Jewish immigrants, Rebecca (née Rushall) and Abraham B. Friedman, owner of a chain of movie theaters.[3] She was the youngest of four sisters and grew up in Sioux City. Her identical twin, Esther Pauline Friedman (married name Lederer), was columnist Ann Landers
     
    "Ann Landers" also Jewish? All those decades, millions will have been none the wiser on this. I would only note in passing that they didn't write under anything like their real names ("Dear Friedman"), instead choosing two highly-WASP-seeming pseudonym-identities, 'Abigail Van Buren' and 'Ann Landers.' I guess we should be flattered. Right?

    As to Steve's statement "[Congressman Dean] Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby," this is not correct if speaking genetically, as (acc. to the Wiki) Dear Abby's son was Congressman Dean Phillips' adoptive father. Dean Philipps' birth parents, DeeDee Cohen and Artie Pfefer, were almost certainly both Jewish, anyway.

    (Note, no relation here to Heroic American-Indian Elder Nathan Phillips. Sadly for the latter, after the smoke cleared from his fifteen minutes, contrary to what some here semi-seriously predicted, he has ended up without a guest-commentator slot on MSNBC after all. And no "Dear Tribal Elder Nathan" column, either.)

    I think one or both of them talked about or at least hinted at her Jewish faith and/or ethnicity in her column, maybe just a little. I became aware of the columns in the mid 60s when I reached the age at which kids are aware of such things. The columns could have been ultra-WASP circa 1956-1964, for all I know.

  108. @Anonymous
    I hope this issue continues to flare up and I think it will. Tlaib and Omar have staked out their position and there's no backing down; Tlaib in particular will never spit on her family's suffering to appease the neurotic sensibilities of a bunch of affluent American Jews. Omar is feisty and opinionated and this whole episode has probably only strengthened her opinions. AOC will continue to stay out of it publicly, but even her silence speaks volumes (cf. the condemnations from Chelsea Clinton and other minions of the establishment).

    All this occurs against a backdrop of continued aggressive Israeli expansion and a not-exactly liberal attitude towards Palestinians in the West Bank. Every few weeks we'll get a new cell phone video of some random Arab getting shot by Israeli border guards. The insurgent Dems will have plenty of ammo, pardon the pun to use, against the Zionists.

    And if Trump and the Republicans are smart, they will exploit this heavily in 2020: regardless of who the particular Democratic candidate is, whether on the local/state/national level, the real opponent is Ocasi0-Cortez and Omar. Like the man said: may you live in interesting times.

    Radical Muslims have never managed to be quiet or peaceful anywhere, and they’re not going to be like that in the US Congress either. That would require too much maturity for them.

  109. @Hapalong Cassidy
    But as Steve has pointed out, a member of the House can get elected while appealing to much narrower demographics than a Senator can. Hence you are much more likely to get entertaining nut jobs like Ocasio-Cortez and Omar in the House rather than in the Senate.

    With Sens. Durbin and Whitehouse, etc, in the Senate, the last sentence is debatable, although I’m not sure entertaining is the most descriptive word.

  110. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'The first Europeans to study Alawites considered them closer to Christians than Muslims, while rejecting key parts of both. Now they are self proclaimed Shiites to avoid the standard genocide Muslims conduct against non Muslims when they get the chance.'

    This is so tedious. If, of the three Abrahamic religions, it is the Muslims who are genocidal, why is it that it is only the Muslim states which have tolerated large minorities of the other two faiths for extended periods of time?

    Well for one thing, Muslims had to semi-tolerate them if they wanted to rule them at all. Non-Muslims living in Muslim areas always thought Islam was too stupid a religion to convert to, which is why mass conversions to Islam didn’t occur despite Islamic rule. Non-Muslims didn’t respect Muslims enough to do that. In places like the Ottoman Empire and Spain, non-Muslims were usually smarter, better educated, more sophisticated, more capable, and quite often richer than the mass of Muslims living in those places.

    Heck, the closest thing Muslims ever got to in creating a Pan-Muslim empire was the Ottoman Empire, and the crazy thing was that it was still run by European whites. Kidnapped whites provided the administration and ran the military. If your own people can’t run its own military and perform basic administrative duties, you’re really pathetic.

  111. @Boethiuss

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.
     
    Yeah, that among other things.

    This is a good example of Steve's mentality which took me a while to figure out. Relating to things like this, Steve is interested in demographics, sociology, and genetics. And by contrast he's basically bored by nuts-and-bolts horse-race politics. This is a good part of what's behind the things he's written over the last, say, two decades. While the rest of us were looking at New Hampshire primary poll data, Steve was looking at white women's marriage and fertility patterns, etc.

    Even though I'm more of a horse-race guy myself, Steve's approach has something to be said for it: it's not too hard to believe that sociology, etc, is just inherently more interesting than horse-race politics.

    That said, one consequence of that is blind spots like this one. The centrifugal forces acting on the Coalition of the Fringes are the results of demographics, so Steve is dialed in right away, but the centripetal forces on the Fringes are just bog standard regular politics, so they simply pass beneath notice.

    But, just because garden variety politics are less interesting than Steve's wheelhouse, it doesn't mean that they're not real, just like you said. And here, whatever can be said about the centrifugal forces acting on the Fringes, I can't see any reason to think they're going to overcome the opposing centripetal forces. Especially now.

    Good analysis. There’s a lot of horse race stuff I’m not all that interested in because its sell-by date is short.

    The centrifugal forces on the Coalition of the Fringes is a long term question that I expect to get mileage out of for years. On the other hand, lots of talented people are trying to engage centripetal forces for the Democrats, such as by focusing on health care and ignoring reparations.

  112. @Boethiuss
    Yeah yeah yeah it's all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I'm not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that's what's good for The Team.

    When we're looking for a coalition that's falling apart, it's way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.

    No, my point is that the internal tensions of the Coalition of the Fringes explain things like the hunger for Hate Hoaxes: they are devices to counter those centrifugal forces.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    No, my point is that the internal tensions of the Coalition of the Fringes explain things like the hunger for Hate Hoaxes: they are devices to counter those centrifugal forces.
     
    Yeah, that's probably true enough on its own terms but maybe it doesn't explain as much as you were thinking.

    One of key variables in situations like this is a contingency of horse-race politics, so you are more likely to ignore it. Specifically, the beef-quashing mechanisms from the Democratic Party and the cultural establishment associated with them are highly contingent on the current viability of Left politics.

    When you let that factor into your observations, there's more things that you can explain with it. For example, right now we're living in a world of Orange Man Bad so the Left is likely to let the Fringe-y beefs run, eg the failed attempts by Speaker Pelosi to bring Rep Omar back on the reservation. But, if that weren't the case, if they thought Trump was coming back from the dead politically, eg Howard Schultz, the Left response would be much much different.

    That leads me to believe that the Fringe angle really isn't the driving variable in the situation. Contrary to the conspiracy ideas of the unz commentariat, the Left is capable of bring the hammer down on the (((Jews))) as it is on the Fringes. Whether it does or not is determined by the current horse race environment.
  113. @Mr McKenna
    https://wjon.com/files/2017/05/Dean-Phillips.jpg

    "Dean Benson Phillips" who replaced Republican Erik Paulsen as U.S. Representative from Minnesota's 3rd congressional district.

    "Phillips was born to DeeDee and Artie Pfefer in 1969. Artie was killed in the Vietnam War when Dean was six months old. DeeDee later married Eddie Phillips, heir to the Phillips Distilling Company and son of Pauline Phillips.

    "Phillips graduated from Brown University in 1991. He worked for InMotion for two years, then joined the family company. He completed his Master of Business Administration from the University of Minnesota in 2000, and was named president of Phillips Distilling."

    Committee assignments:
    - Committee on Financial Services
    - - Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion

    All that money and power and he can’t afford some shampoo and a haircut?

  114. @Coemgen
    Say what you want about Hillary but she’s got “somethin’ goin’ on.” Who else with her history could yet still be a viable candidate for POTUS?

    An incredibly talented team of assassins?

  115. @Counterinsurgency

    This is a much bigger story than the Dems would have you believe, which is why nobody wants to talk about it and they’re staging these asinine encounter sessions.
     
    Agree.

    In bare basics, light manufacturing in cities became nonviable in the 1960s. Everybody who could moved out, and by the 1970s cities were on the verge of bankruptcy. They were saved by their political power. To maintain this political power, the cities have imported foreigners to city vote farms. Foreigners who can't be economically productive in an industrial society (at home or here) are favored, because other foreigners leave the city to find jobs, and thus do not contribute to the political power of the city.

    The Democrat's current problem is that the foreigners (They are not foreigners? Just ask them.) realize they won't ever do anything productive in an industrial society, and want to destroy the industrial society. The Democrat's Green plan is an example of the sort of destruction intended, and as for the destruction conducted thus far, look around you.

    The problem of foreigners refusing to pretend they either can or want to live in an industrial society is a very basic problem, one which in many cases can be traced to fraction of the foreign group with an IQ under 83, the DoD cutoff for people able to enlist. The foreigners are not kidding about this -- they can't and they won't. As a secondary problem, they don't much like each other on a group level. As a final problem, the foreigners need money to live, and intend to get it by political power ("Universal Basic Income")

    This is why the Democrats were essentially defeated by blue collar labor during Trump's election. Blue collar labor can and does work in the industrial economy, and wants industrial society to continue. The blue collar labor is also not kidding about this -- they want industrial society to continue. As a secondary problem, they're getting tired of being physically attacked. As a final problem, the blue collars need money to live, and intend to get the political power to defend their income (Trump or other).

    This problem is much like that of the USSR before it fell. The USSR had a very large population that was not productive in its industrial society: the entire war economy / manufacturing sector. This sector was replaced completely during an interval of reorganization.
    One way of phrasing this problem is that the USSR's basic organization diverted capital flow from productive uses to uses that produced very little benefit and actually destroyed both the resources needed to manufacture and severely poisoned the land as well. The reorganization fixed that, at a very large cost.
    The US has a similar problem, in that the US political system (of what the English used to call "rotten boroughs") has produced a similar misallocation of capital flow in the United States.

    If you want a footnoted version of this post, say so and it will be supplied. If you don't want to wait, you can get footnotes that document the above assertions, and a fuller version of the assertions, by reviewing my other comments.

    So, no, this is not a trivial affair.

    Counterinsurgency

    “In bare basics, light manufacturing in cities became nonviable in the 1960s.”

    And in the UK the same became essentially true in the 1980s/90s, despite some existing firms hanging on outside London.

    To build a new factory or plant, your staff need to be able to get in and out safely and conveniently, they need to live reasonably close by, and the physical location needs to be secure i.e. when you shut for a fortnight in summer it’ll still be there when you get back.

    Basically, no one is building new factories in any really diverse cities – instead firms with clout build places on greenfield sites, and smaller firms spring up on industrial estates or ‘business parks’ around the same towns where vast new building is taking place to house the natives driven from the cities (aka “moving for better schools”).

  116. @Whiskey
    The White party thing always fails. Problem: most White women hate hate hate White men and l ove gays, Blacks Muslims etc like JK Rowling. Give most White women money and they turn into her.

    “most White women hate hate hate White men and l ove gays, Blacks Muslims etc like JK Rowling”

    It’s getting a bit tired. Most white women voted for Trump.

    JK Rowling’s not every white woman – she’s better looking to start with. Like Streep, hate her politics, admire her fecundity. She seems quite sensible if politics doesn’t come up.

    She seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn’t write about in the book and it didn’t make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children’s author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    [Rowling] seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn’t write about in the book and it didn’t make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children’s author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.
     
    Yes, exactly.

    The Harry Potter series seems like the last gasp of 'traditional' kids' publishing. I don't think the HP phenomenon could happen today. The packs of raving SJWs who now eviscerate any kids' book that doesn't explictly push The Narrative would kill it in its infancy.

    The irony is that those SJWs are likely to be big HP fans themselves, and are secretly drawn to its overriding theme of 'blood will tell' and its suprisingly traditional moral order.

  117. EH says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I could also see the meeting going something like this:

    https://youtu.be/PLp8pjqwlsc

    Ventkatesh Rao’s fascinating series of essays at his blog Ribbonfarm:“The Gervais Principle, Or The Office According to ‘The Office’” explores the psychological structure and dynamics of corporations.

    Now, after four years, I’ve finally figured the show out. The Office is not a random series of cynical gags aimed at momentarily alleviating the existential despair of low-level grunts. It is a fully realized theory of management that falsifies 83.8% of the business section of the bookstore. The theory begins with Hugh MacLeod’s well-known cartoon, Company Hierarchy (below), and its cornerstone is something I will call The Gervais Principle, which supersedes both the Peter Principle and its successor, The Dilbert Principle. Outside of the comic aisle, the only major and significant works consistent with the Gervais Principle are The Organization Man and Images of Organization.

    In brief, the corporate pyramid is Sociopaths at the top, Losers at the bottom, Clueless in the middle; this gives complicated dynamics that Rao demonstrates with many examples from The Office. “The Gervais Principle is this: ‘Sociopaths, in their own best interests, knowingly promote over-performing losers into middle-management, groom under-performing losers into sociopaths, and leave the average bare-minimum-effort losers to fend for themselves.’”

  118. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    Meanwhile the GOP refuses to cater to the one group that is its natural constituency, and as a result leaves 40% of that vote on the table. For groups they openly cater to, like Jews, they feel thrilled if they limit the democrat’s take to a measly 70%.

    My concern in 2020 is that the democrats will run a White guy like Beto or Biden who will act like a Judas Goat to the Whites in the Great Lakes, thus flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hear guys mocking Beto because he can’t win Texas. So what, Trump can’t win his home state of New York. And the democrats can easily win without Texas. Once they are able to get Texas, it’s game over.
     
    This is way too optimistic. Beto or Biden are probably better candidates than others that the Democrats might nominate, eg, better than Kamala Harris or Liz Warren, but it won't make any difference. Trump's a loser. If he's still our guy on next Election Day, we'll lose too.

    In fact, this is another case of what I was talking about in my other comment. Steve invented the Sailer Strategy for the GOP which in political terms is a summary of everything he's written about demographics for 20+ years. And because the Sailer Strategy was such giant leap from the way we thought before, it's hard to imagine thinking any other way.

    But even if the Sailer Strategy worked for candidate Trump, it's not working for President Trump. The demographic-motivated train of thought that got Trump into the Oval Office is now being clearly overcome by basic politics: Orange Man Bad. Affordable Family Formation, The Most Important Graph in the World, Invade the World Invite the World, border security, blah blah blah: none of those things are important in world of Orange Man Bad.

    And what I'm really afraid of is that we'll still be living in a world of Orange Man Bad post-Trump, unless somehow we can take away the GOP nomination from Trump before Election Day.

    If he’s still our guy on next Election Day, we’ll lose too.

    Who’s “we”? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam’s Razor suggests that you’re here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Trump’s a loser.

    Compared to who, you — the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?

    Nothing, I just hate DRUMPF.

    OK then…

    Any time good wholesome hard-working populists try to build something, whether it is the Tea Party of Trumpism or whatever comes next, disingenuous slugs like Beothiuss and Lot will be there to piss all over it.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Who’s “we”? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam’s Razor suggests that you’re here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Compared to who, you — the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?
     
    Blah blah blah.

    Who I am in this situation is really really clear, and especially clear in my own head. We are trapped in a world of Orange Man Bad. Nothing good is going to happen for us in that world.

    I am here to tell you that whatever price we have to pay to get out of this trap is cheap.
  119. @Boethiuss
    Yeah yeah yeah it's all bullshit, or at least mostly bullshit. Our gracious host can get a zillion pages of blog-mileage behind incidents like these, the reality is that things like this are only half the equation, and not the most important half at that.

    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I'm not having it. Jesse Jackson was a Presidential candidate in 1984 and a fairly serious one at that in 1988. At a partisan level especially, the Democrats have gotten a lot of practice in handling situations like this. In fact, you could say it is their core competency: giving the impression of empowering Coalition-of-the-Fringes types while at the same time making sure that the really important jobs go to Goodwhites and people simpatico with them (eg Obama). And then maximizing the political viability of their candidates on Election Day.

    At the activist level, this filters down to very real substantial pressure on individuals to play nice, no matter how many Fringe-y intersectional Pokemon Points they have, if their activism is hurting Left-liberal political viability as a whole.

    For example, in the last month or so the entire Left-liberal world has come crashing down on the head of Howard Schultz, on the theory that his contemplated independent run for President is going to help the reelection of President Trump. While the whole time the commentariat here at iSteve is convincing themselves that the (((Jews))) are running things and catching every break, the rest of the world can see the Left put the hammer down on Jewish man (a billionaire Jewish man at that) if that's what's good for The Team.

    When we're looking for a coalition that's falling apart, it's way more likely we should be looking at us before them.

    Yeah, this is the key sentence:

    Raskin was determined to keep the mood casual

    Eddie Haskell Über Alles

  120. @NYMOM
    "It’s very, very bad for them going into next year. Chuck wants it to all just die down so they can get back to business as usual. It’s not going back to business as usual for the Dems when it comes to Israel/Jews. This interDem conflict must be encouraged, regardless of one’s position on the issue."

    I believe this could be the beginning of the end of the Democrat party as we know it...If we can hold on long enough I think many normal Dems will leave the party and become either Independent/Unaffiliated or Republican and the Dems will morph into the party of minorities and a small bank of white radical nuts like DeBlasio in NY, for instance...who by the way just had another major smack in the face today when only 7 black students got accepted into Stuyvesant this year...they just released the acceptance letters...He was trying to convince the State to change the admissions process and not accept so many Asian students (who make up 70% of the admissions into the school) and Cuomo totally ignored him...Of course, now the Asians hate DeBlasio too for trying to mess up their kids educational opportunities like he's been doing to White kids for the last five years he's been in office...

    This after Amazon walked a few weeks ago...the smackdown is beginning...

    Dem whites don’t care about any of that. They care about distinguishing themselves from other whites. Rs are handy.

  121. @Clyde
    Don't bet against blank slate Beto, baby. He has a very presentable wife. Get her up there in campaign appearances! Three acceptable children. Great family imaging, you might even think he is a Republican normie. Image and finesse is everything these days. And will provide cover for Beto's loony leftism. Beto is as loony left as Kams and the other harridans running like Gillibrand and Kobluchar.
    Plus Beto is a money magnet for donors. His money bomb of a few days ago pulled in 6 million. While Kams and Berns only got one million.

    IIRC, Beto’s father-in-law is a deep pockets type.

    He raises lots of cash and has a lot of buzz around him. I assume that’s b/c Dem big shots want a white candidate on the national stage that isn’t geriatric. Picking off Cruz would have made Beto presidential material. As it is, he’s got the blank slate going for him, and buckets of money (presumably), but I’m not sure what else.

    I think that begs the question, can a white guy win the Dem nomination.

    If you could merge Beto (charm, such as it is) & Biden (experience, and a passable imitation of gravitas), you’d have a pretty strong candidate.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Beto, as someone has said, is the kind of guy women will love because he looks like the type that would care for the children you had with another man.

    Biden is the guy who would grope those children.
  122. @Bragadocious
    Does Tlaib even know about the golfocaust? Sheesh, what a tone deaf prog. Someone sit her down and explain the indignity of having to play the local muni while your course is being built.

    Does Tlaib even know about the golfocaust? Sheesh, what a tone deaf prog. Someone sit her down and explain the indignity of having to play the local muni while your course is being built.

    I’ve never even gotten to play a round at Augusta, much less be invited to join.

    Oppressed American.

  123. This is exactly the America the Jews have pushed and propagandized for–immigration, multiculturalism and minority greivance.

    It must be awesome.

  124. Personally i’m all for Jews and Muslims getting together to bond over their immigrant sob stories and shared interest in the middle east.

    However, is there any reason we dumb goyim need be part of it?

    How’s about we give the Jews and Muslims an appropriate sized chunk of territory and they can all go there and continue their shared bonding project. I nominate New Jersey.

  125. @Steve Sailer
    Steve would have us believe that the other side is on the verge of falling apart due to their own internal tension but I’m not having it.

    No, my point is that the internal tensions of the Coalition of the Fringes explain things like the hunger for Hate Hoaxes: they are devices to counter those centrifugal forces.

    No, my point is that the internal tensions of the Coalition of the Fringes explain things like the hunger for Hate Hoaxes: they are devices to counter those centrifugal forces.

    Yeah, that’s probably true enough on its own terms but maybe it doesn’t explain as much as you were thinking.

    One of key variables in situations like this is a contingency of horse-race politics, so you are more likely to ignore it. Specifically, the beef-quashing mechanisms from the Democratic Party and the cultural establishment associated with them are highly contingent on the current viability of Left politics.

    When you let that factor into your observations, there’s more things that you can explain with it. For example, right now we’re living in a world of Orange Man Bad so the Left is likely to let the Fringe-y beefs run, eg the failed attempts by Speaker Pelosi to bring Rep Omar back on the reservation. But, if that weren’t the case, if they thought Trump was coming back from the dead politically, eg Howard Schultz, the Left response would be much much different.

    That leads me to believe that the Fringe angle really isn’t the driving variable in the situation. Contrary to the conspiracy ideas of the unz commentariat, the Left is capable of bring the hammer down on the (((Jews))) as it is on the Fringes. Whether it does or not is determined by the current horse race environment.

  126. @Anon

    If he’s still our guy on next Election Day, we’ll lose too.
     
    Who's "we"? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam's Razor suggests that you're here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Trump’s a loser.
     
    Compared to who, you -- the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?

    Nothing, I just hate DRUMPF.

    OK then...

    Any time good wholesome hard-working populists try to build something, whether it is the Tea Party of Trumpism or whatever comes next, disingenuous slugs like Beothiuss and Lot will be there to piss all over it.

    Who’s “we”? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam’s Razor suggests that you’re here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Compared to who, you — the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?

    Blah blah blah.

    Who I am in this situation is really really clear, and especially clear in my own head. We are trapped in a world of Orange Man Bad. Nothing good is going to happen for us in that world.

    I am here to tell you that whatever price we have to pay to get out of this trap is cheap.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    We ain't getting out of it.
  127. @Anon
    There's a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because 'he's the guy who's there and we're used to him.' Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn't going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.

    Remember, there are a lot of low-information voters who decide on the basis of a candidate's personality because they honestly don't understand the issues. People have had 2 years of seeing the left try to nail Trump just because he's Trump, and everyone knows it's a crock of nonsense. The people who were never going to vote for Trump won't, but Trump has solid Republican support, and the fence sitters are going to come down on Trump's side because he's president, they know the worst about him and they can live with it, and all the candidates on the left are either crooks, nuts, or too goofy to trust with running the country. Trump will win 2020, and he'll win bigger than he did in 2016.

    There’s a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because ‘he’s the guy who’s there and we’re used to him.’ Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn’t going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.

    Yeah, I might tend to believe this more if we weren’t living in a world of Orange Man Bad. Among other things we just finished an election six months ago or whatever where we just got our asses handed to us.

    I’d like to be sympathetic to the idea that low-information personality-driven voters are going to come back to Trump out of familiarity like they might for any other incumbent, but I can’t. From what we’ve seen over the last year or so that is the exact opposite of their intentions.

    In a running theme on this thread, this is a situation where we’re likely to be ignoring garden variety political considerations which for the moment are outweighing longer term demographics. Ie, most of us are looking at things through the lens of the Sailer Strategy. We’re the Core Americans, the other side is the Fringes. If the GOP could just get the wall, stop immigration, promote higher wages for blue collar labor, etc, their share of the Core vote would go through the roof and they’d be able to beat whatever the Fringes do.

    Whatever could be said about that ten years ago, it’s not what’s happening now and it’s not what governed the last midterm. In the world of Orange Man Bad and the 2018 midterm and relative to where we were five years ago, we are winning the Fringe and losing the Core.

    The GOP didn’t lose 2018 in Des Moines and OKC and Phoenix and Orange County because they failed to build a wall. They have been successful in those places for decades without a wall. No, the answer is quite a bit simpler than that. Core America Thinks Orange Man Bad.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    Don't you bother to look at election demographics? The GOP lost the House and squeaked in a few victories in the Senate last fall not only because the number of minority voters increased, but because whites stayed at home due to Orange Man's reneging on his immigration promises and the increasing creep of pro-immigration parasites in the GOP that infested the House. With the reinvigoration of his base with at least some small, solid accomplishments, he won't have to work too hard to rout the mental hospital of the left.
    , @Desiderius
    Well they’re right.

    He only wins if the alternative is worse which seems reasonably likely. Unless Yang gets the nom.
  128. I find the liberal attempts to “white supremacy” anti-Muslim attacks amusing.

    First, “whites” have no geopolitical skin in the game in ME politics, only “fellow whites”. Second, many “whites” regard “fellow whites” as a greater threat than Muslims. Third, “white” resistance to Muslim immigration comes more from xenophobia than any geopolitical agenda.

    Conclusion: “Fellow whites” constitute a more serious political enemy of Muslims and Islam than “white” people. Muslims are going to frame hate crimes against Muslims as Zionist-inspired, not white supremacy or xenophobia.

    Further, with respect to control of the Democratic Party, Muslims also face a more formidable challenge from “Fellow whites”–there haven’t been any real white supremacists in the Democratic Party since 1963.

  129. @Boethiuss

    Who’s “we”? The only thing you ever post about is hatred of Trump. Occam’s Razor suggests that you’re here to divide the populist base and muddy the waters.

    Compared to who, you — the builder of planets who has dated a long string of sexy aliens and super DUPER models?

    Maybe Boethiuss should be our candidate for prez. Mr. Boethiuss, what policy objectives do you have? What can you do to rebuild and inspire our nation?
     
    Blah blah blah.

    Who I am in this situation is really really clear, and especially clear in my own head. We are trapped in a world of Orange Man Bad. Nothing good is going to happen for us in that world.

    I am here to tell you that whatever price we have to pay to get out of this trap is cheap.

    We ain’t getting out of it.

  130. @Anon
    There's a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because 'he's the guy who's there and we're used to him.' Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn't going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.

    Remember, there are a lot of low-information voters who decide on the basis of a candidate's personality because they honestly don't understand the issues. People have had 2 years of seeing the left try to nail Trump just because he's Trump, and everyone knows it's a crock of nonsense. The people who were never going to vote for Trump won't, but Trump has solid Republican support, and the fence sitters are going to come down on Trump's side because he's president, they know the worst about him and they can live with it, and all the candidates on the left are either crooks, nuts, or too goofy to trust with running the country. Trump will win 2020, and he'll win bigger than he did in 2016.

    Cue up Yeb! Boethius telling us how if the Repubs just recycle some loser like Romney or dolt like Rubio, order will be returned and we’ll all live happily ever after.

    THIS will be the time that the base decides to support yet another bought-and-paid-for, blow-dried empty suit spouting invade the world/invite the world nonsense while hiding under his desk in case someone calls him “racist”.

    Or maybe we can get some foreigner like Nikki Haley to fight for Americans?

  131. @Ibound1
    We need two countries.

    Here or the middle east?

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    Here.
    I call it the two state solution
    America and the Freak Show
  132. It all ends in tears.

    Feature, not bug.

    After all, the lachrymogasm is the “mission accomplished” for such multiculti encounter groups. Meeting for the sake of dividing up among those present the agreed-upon work to be done, and establishing tracking and reporting of progress and achievement–ugh, that’s SO WHITE.

    I mean, without the ocular gush, how could they establish that their Injustice Feelz supplied the needed Holy SaltWater for this evolving but predictable baptismal ritual of the secular state religion of White Man Bad/Gib Me Gibs White Man, I’m The Most Downtroddenest?

    Besides, if it were just a schmooze-n-bitch-fest, why would WaPo bother covering it? They know as well as anyone that this stuff is staged for emotion and attention, to be cashed in for political power. What did they expect as the result? Hands across America? A 1960s Coke commercial? Sesame Street inhabited totally by politicos and social workers with Studies Studies MAs–where, somehow, the electricity and water and food keep flowing?

    What its writers seem to miss is that this is competitive griping such as immigrants have been doing at least since the Mediterranean ones started arriving en masse. I’ve long figured it’s a form of Lamentation Song–that genre rampant in Mediterranean civilizations and its outposts.

    In the 20th century (((The Chosen))) outdid everyone in this department–thanks to those poor schizophrenic mothers whose absence, backed by bubbe’s presence, helped save them from doom and launch them into politics.

    No wait–what’s this? It was a “Muslim convert” named Carson who is bragging to a roomful of Jews about his mother’s mental illness and how he survived and rose in the New World with grandma’s help?

    It’s said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery…but ow, that’s gotta sting.

    It’s almost as though you’re supposed to think that a small group of 20th century immigrants never in fact observably and admittedly got major control of the magnifying glass of media–the Kvetching Embiggenator if you will. After which “pogrom” and “holocaust” became words of power with which any conversation or viewpoint or person or event could be shut down. Plus they got blacks of far longer established American presence well on the choke chain regarding pointing out naked emperors or simply joking about clearly observed ethnic nepotism. (See: “Jesse and the Jews,” Harvard Crimson, 1984.)

    Now that’s all changing, directly due to Hart-Celler’s melanization of white America.

    And the muzzies–who just want to be left alone to overrun the parts of the west that China hasn’t hit, or is hitting but quietly, and rape their and others’ women/mutilate their daughters/engender passels of welfare offspring in the peace of a separate but equal theocratic law system–aren’t having any of it. And don’t care if feelz are hurt. You know, the way white women and men do.

    A Bend the Arc facilitator made a joke about Jews and money to try to clear the air. But Rep. Jahana Hayes (Conn.), one of the freshman allies invited to join the session, grew serious and asked why the facilitator could talk like that when someone like Hayes could not.

    “It’s not okay,” Hayes said this past week when asked about the specific exchange. “These [sorts of jokes] are off-limits. It’s confusing for someone like me who is trying to learn.”

    I presume all [sorts of jokes] are off-limits now. We’re just going to have to get our comedy via these straight-faced reports from the Grievance Thunderdome, from the punch lines written between the lines of WaPo reportage, and from our host’s Tales Of The Country Club.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @Clyde
    This was your white honky "Howl" and very well done. (Allen Ginz poem reference)
  133. Jews and Muslims deserve to be bottled up in the ME together, along with the rest of their allies. Why do we have to put up with the coalition of the extremes? They make it clear that they hate America and Whites. Why is that acceptable?

  134. @Boethiuss

    There’s a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because ‘he’s the guy who’s there and we’re used to him.’ Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn’t going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.
     
    Yeah, I might tend to believe this more if we weren't living in a world of Orange Man Bad. Among other things we just finished an election six months ago or whatever where we just got our asses handed to us.

    I'd like to be sympathetic to the idea that low-information personality-driven voters are going to come back to Trump out of familiarity like they might for any other incumbent, but I can't. From what we've seen over the last year or so that is the exact opposite of their intentions.

    In a running theme on this thread, this is a situation where we're likely to be ignoring garden variety political considerations which for the moment are outweighing longer term demographics. Ie, most of us are looking at things through the lens of the Sailer Strategy. We're the Core Americans, the other side is the Fringes. If the GOP could just get the wall, stop immigration, promote higher wages for blue collar labor, etc, their share of the Core vote would go through the roof and they'd be able to beat whatever the Fringes do.

    Whatever could be said about that ten years ago, it's not what's happening now and it's not what governed the last midterm. In the world of Orange Man Bad and the 2018 midterm and relative to where we were five years ago, we are winning the Fringe and losing the Core.

    The GOP didn't lose 2018 in Des Moines and OKC and Phoenix and Orange County because they failed to build a wall. They have been successful in those places for decades without a wall. No, the answer is quite a bit simpler than that. Core America Thinks Orange Man Bad.

    Don’t you bother to look at election demographics? The GOP lost the House and squeaked in a few victories in the Senate last fall not only because the number of minority voters increased, but because whites stayed at home due to Orange Man’s reneging on his immigration promises and the increasing creep of pro-immigration parasites in the GOP that infested the House. With the reinvigoration of his base with at least some small, solid accomplishments, he won’t have to work too hard to rout the mental hospital of the left.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    True, but Trump actually did better than most recent presidents in mid-terms, and a lot of the nominally Republican people who got purged were RINO never-Trumpers.
  135. “Party hearty, dudes!” Dean Benson Phillips[1] (born January 20, 1969) is 50. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips#Early_life%2C_education%2C_and_career

    Party healthy dudes!!!!

  136. @Paul
    You are badly misinformed. Actually, many among the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people were and are Christians. Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi are two well-known such persons. Christians have tended to be among the Palestinian elite.

    It’s well known that one source of the PLO’s opposition to Israel was that its Christian leaders were insecure n wanted to deflect Muslim fanaticism away from themselves n onto the Jews, Christians thruout the Mid East being chronically regarded by the surrounding Muslim majorities as disloyal n anxious not to be seen as disloyal. The strategy didn’t work for the Christians in the PLO, just as it won’t work in the US. The divide between Jews n Muslims is far greater than can be bridged by any third group n Christians will only be run over if they try to aid one side or the other.

  137. In this ale-house after-hours event, a meeting of congresspeople who should be concerned about why they get paid $174k per year while taking off 218 days per year, was there any discussion about how racial minorities can parlay their skin pigmentation or other non-majority social characteristic into six-figure careers, with some even using race as a career-building technique to score bigly in both parties? When Obama ran, ordinary Black people who are often more honest than ambitious politicos, laughingly said they wanted to pose as the only anti-Obama Black person in America to get on CNN.

  138. @Boethiuss

    There’s a natural tendency for the guy in the presidential office to get reelected just because ‘he’s the guy who’s there and we’re used to him.’ Seriously, once an electorate decides the country isn’t going to go to pieces under a president, they just vote for him again. He gains the votes of all the people who were fence sitters the first time around.
     
    Yeah, I might tend to believe this more if we weren't living in a world of Orange Man Bad. Among other things we just finished an election six months ago or whatever where we just got our asses handed to us.

    I'd like to be sympathetic to the idea that low-information personality-driven voters are going to come back to Trump out of familiarity like they might for any other incumbent, but I can't. From what we've seen over the last year or so that is the exact opposite of their intentions.

    In a running theme on this thread, this is a situation where we're likely to be ignoring garden variety political considerations which for the moment are outweighing longer term demographics. Ie, most of us are looking at things through the lens of the Sailer Strategy. We're the Core Americans, the other side is the Fringes. If the GOP could just get the wall, stop immigration, promote higher wages for blue collar labor, etc, their share of the Core vote would go through the roof and they'd be able to beat whatever the Fringes do.

    Whatever could be said about that ten years ago, it's not what's happening now and it's not what governed the last midterm. In the world of Orange Man Bad and the 2018 midterm and relative to where we were five years ago, we are winning the Fringe and losing the Core.

    The GOP didn't lose 2018 in Des Moines and OKC and Phoenix and Orange County because they failed to build a wall. They have been successful in those places for decades without a wall. No, the answer is quite a bit simpler than that. Core America Thinks Orange Man Bad.

    Well they’re right.

    He only wins if the alternative is worse which seems reasonably likely. Unless Yang gets the nom.

  139. @Achmed E. Newman

    It ended with one lawmaker in tears.
     
    As soon as I read this one, and the end of that first excerpt, I had to chime in. Are these people in a 12-step program or the US Congress? Imagine if the Soviets had heard a report like this in the middle of the Cold War. I believe they'd just have gone full out and launched a 1st strike on this matriarchal shitshow, and I wouldn't have been able to fault them one bit.

    As soon as I read this one, and the end of that first excerpt, I had to chime in. Are these people in a 12-step program or the US Congress? Imagine if the Soviets had heard a report like this in the middle of the Cold War. I believe they’d just have gone full out and launched a 1st strike on this matriarchal shitshow, and I wouldn’t have been able to fault them one bit.

    I occasionally think the US will end with a Chinese (PLA) engineered virus that wipes out white people.

    But then i take heart, they won’t bother. They can do nothing and just sit back and watch our diversity driven destruction.

  140. @Eric Novak
    Don't you bother to look at election demographics? The GOP lost the House and squeaked in a few victories in the Senate last fall not only because the number of minority voters increased, but because whites stayed at home due to Orange Man's reneging on his immigration promises and the increasing creep of pro-immigration parasites in the GOP that infested the House. With the reinvigoration of his base with at least some small, solid accomplishments, he won't have to work too hard to rout the mental hospital of the left.

    True, but Trump actually did better than most recent presidents in mid-terms, and a lot of the nominally Republican people who got purged were RINO never-Trumpers.

  141. @YetAnotherAnon
    "most White women hate hate hate White men and l ove gays, Blacks Muslims etc like JK Rowling"

    It's getting a bit tired. Most white women voted for Trump.

    JK Rowling's not every white woman - she's better looking to start with. Like Streep, hate her politics, admire her fecundity. She seems quite sensible if politics doesn't come up.

    She seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn't write about in the book and it didn't make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children's author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.

    [Rowling] seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn’t write about in the book and it didn’t make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children’s author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.

    Yes, exactly.

    The Harry Potter series seems like the last gasp of ‘traditional’ kids’ publishing. I don’t think the HP phenomenon could happen today. The packs of raving SJWs who now eviscerate any kids’ book that doesn’t explictly push The Narrative would kill it in its infancy.

    The irony is that those SJWs are likely to be big HP fans themselves, and are secretly drawn to its overriding theme of ‘blood will tell’ and its suprisingly traditional moral order.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    I suppose there's just a chance that Rowling is trolling the SJWs. Unlikely though - she's generally an uber-SJW herself.

    Still, I wonder what she reads to her kids? Bet it's something traditional.

    In fact here are her 19 favourites from this interview. One is Lolita, another is a children's book by a paedophile and rapist, but I don't think any of the choices are very woke and AFAIK none of the childrens books feature intense gay relationships.

    "Emma" by Jane Austen
    "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens
    "The Woman Who Walked Into Doors" by Roddy Doyle
    "Macbeth" by William Shakespeare
    "The Iliad" by Homer
    "Lolita"by Vladimir Nabokov
    "Chéri" by Colette

    "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin
    "The diaries of Auberon Waugh" by Auberon Waugh - extremely un-PC.
    “Secrets of the Flesh: A Life of Colette” by Judith Thurman
    "Hons and Rebels" by Jessica Mitford

    "Black Beauty," by Anna Sewell
    “The Little White Horse” by Elizabeth Goudge - her main influence writing HP, apparently.
    "Little Women" by Louisa May Alcott
    "Manxmouse: The Mouse Who Knew No Fear" by Paul Gallico
    "Ballet Shoes" by Noel Streatfield
    "The Story of the Treasure Seekers" by E. Nesbit
    "I Capture the Castle" by Dodie Smith
    "Grimble" by Clement Freud
  142. @Mr McKenna
    https://wjon.com/files/2017/05/Dean-Phillips.jpg

    "Dean Benson Phillips" who replaced Republican Erik Paulsen as U.S. Representative from Minnesota's 3rd congressional district.

    "Phillips was born to DeeDee and Artie Pfefer in 1969. Artie was killed in the Vietnam War when Dean was six months old. DeeDee later married Eddie Phillips, heir to the Phillips Distilling Company and son of Pauline Phillips.

    "Phillips graduated from Brown University in 1991. He worked for InMotion for two years, then joined the family company. He completed his Master of Business Administration from the University of Minnesota in 2000, and was named president of Phillips Distilling."

    Committee assignments:
    - Committee on Financial Services
    - - Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion

    He’s the spittin’ image of a guy I grew up with in the 1970s, and with whom I am still in regular Facebook contact. It’s almost eerie looking at that picture, and realizing it’s someone else. Even the facial expression is the same. And yeah, my old buddy grows his own weed out in California.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I was talking to a guy at a facial recognition software firm and he said, "Oh, yeah, Pedo Face is a real thing."

    I would imagine Weed Face is real.

  143. @Prof. Woland
    Here or the middle east?

    Here.
    I call it the two state solution
    America and the Freak Show

  144. @Lot
    Good points.

    Sometimes a party does collapse or lose badly because of internal divisions. But mostly they play nice after the primary because that is just how our “first past the post” democracy is structured.

    The interesting thing about a winner take all system is that there are really only two parties irrespective of how many interest groups are in it. If the US had some type of proportional representative system you would see 5 different parties on the right and 20 on the left.

    This is why the caucuses are so dominant on the left. Nancy Poolside won’t blink without their blessing and it should come as no surprise that the dominant ones are the ethnic based. This is exactly why the Democrats could not cut a deal with Trump on immigration. On the right you have the business types, the gun lobby, and the religious lobby which are important but they are probably stronger than they should be because the right cannot rally around race like the left can. By implicitly running as the white candidate, Trump completely overturned the apple cart because it simultaneously unified the right around who they really are while escaping the blockade imposed by the left. All they can do is gnash their teeth.

  145. @Achmed E. Newman
    "Someone's in the basement
    talkin' 'bout the government.
    Someone got excited,
    gotta call the state militia, I gotta move,
    playing in a travelin' band,
    flyin' cross the land,
    tryin' to get a hand.
    playing in a travelin' band!"

    Somehow those two songs always morph together, and the better (by miles) Rock&Roll voice comes out in the end:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcJ5WQSamQ

    Hmm, kinda eerie there with that "Seven-thoity-seven" lyric, but it's not what he meant.

    Looking at your last four peak stupidity posts….Very witty with Chelsea Hubbell. You should migrate the whole shebang to Unz. The downside is increased leftist doxing.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks again for the compliment, Clyde!
  146. @Olorin

    It all ends in tears.
     
    Feature, not bug.

    After all, the lachrymogasm is the "mission accomplished" for such multiculti encounter groups. Meeting for the sake of dividing up among those present the agreed-upon work to be done, and establishing tracking and reporting of progress and achievement--ugh, that's SO WHITE.

    I mean, without the ocular gush, how could they establish that their Injustice Feelz supplied the needed Holy SaltWater for this evolving but predictable baptismal ritual of the secular state religion of White Man Bad/Gib Me Gibs White Man, I'm The Most Downtroddenest?

    Besides, if it were just a schmooze-n-bitch-fest, why would WaPo bother covering it? They know as well as anyone that this stuff is staged for emotion and attention, to be cashed in for political power. What did they expect as the result? Hands across America? A 1960s Coke commercial? Sesame Street inhabited totally by politicos and social workers with Studies Studies MAs--where, somehow, the electricity and water and food keep flowing?

    What its writers seem to miss is that this is competitive griping such as immigrants have been doing at least since the Mediterranean ones started arriving en masse. I've long figured it's a form of Lamentation Song--that genre rampant in Mediterranean civilizations and its outposts.

    In the 20th century (((The Chosen))) outdid everyone in this department--thanks to those poor schizophrenic mothers whose absence, backed by bubbe's presence, helped save them from doom and launch them into politics.

    No wait--what's this? It was a "Muslim convert" named Carson who is bragging to a roomful of Jews about his mother's mental illness and how he survived and rose in the New World with grandma's help?

    It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...but ow, that's gotta sting.

    It's almost as though you're supposed to think that a small group of 20th century immigrants never in fact observably and admittedly got major control of the magnifying glass of media--the Kvetching Embiggenator if you will. After which "pogrom" and "holocaust" became words of power with which any conversation or viewpoint or person or event could be shut down. Plus they got blacks of far longer established American presence well on the choke chain regarding pointing out naked emperors or simply joking about clearly observed ethnic nepotism. (See: "Jesse and the Jews," Harvard Crimson, 1984.)

    Now that's all changing, directly due to Hart-Celler's melanization of white America.

    And the muzzies--who just want to be left alone to overrun the parts of the west that China hasn't hit, or is hitting but quietly, and rape their and others' women/mutilate their daughters/engender passels of welfare offspring in the peace of a separate but equal theocratic law system--aren't having any of it. And don't care if feelz are hurt. You know, the way white women and men do.


    A Bend the Arc facilitator made a joke about Jews and money to try to clear the air. But Rep. Jahana Hayes (Conn.), one of the freshman allies invited to join the session, grew serious and asked why the facilitator could talk like that when someone like Hayes could not.

    “It’s not okay,” Hayes said this past week when asked about the specific exchange. “These [sorts of jokes] are off-limits. It’s confusing for someone like me who is trying to learn.”
     
    I presume all [sorts of jokes] are off-limits now. We're just going to have to get our comedy via these straight-faced reports from the Grievance Thunderdome, from the punch lines written between the lines of WaPo reportage, and from our host's Tales Of The Country Club.

    This was your white honky “Howl” and very well done. (Allen Ginz poem reference)

  147. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    He's the spittin' image of a guy I grew up with in the 1970s, and with whom I am still in regular Facebook contact. It's almost eerie looking at that picture, and realizing it's someone else. Even the facial expression is the same. And yeah, my old buddy grows his own weed out in California.

    I was talking to a guy at a facial recognition software firm and he said, “Oh, yeah, Pedo Face is a real thing.”

    I would imagine Weed Face is real.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55e8f1e5fad0d98d444cc43d/master/w_690,c_limit/bill-de-blasio-mayor-10-2015-mag-01.jpg
    , @res
    It would be fascinating to look at that across all sorts of things. And even better if one could bundle in other physical characteristics (e.g. height and weight) as well.
    , @J.Ross
    I image searched "pedo face" and this was the first result:
    https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/69/c2/96/69c29692d60c74d87a30dee08ee01feb.jpg
  148. @The Last Real Calvinist

    [Rowling] seems to have gone a bit daft lately, saying that Dumbeldore and Grindelwald had an intense sexual relationship (just one that she didn’t write about in the book and it didn’t make the film either). I see we are now in the world where a successful children’s author gets flak for not having overt homosexuality in her work.
     
    Yes, exactly.

    The Harry Potter series seems like the last gasp of 'traditional' kids' publishing. I don't think the HP phenomenon could happen today. The packs of raving SJWs who now eviscerate any kids' book that doesn't explictly push The Narrative would kill it in its infancy.

    The irony is that those SJWs are likely to be big HP fans themselves, and are secretly drawn to its overriding theme of 'blood will tell' and its suprisingly traditional moral order.

    I suppose there’s just a chance that Rowling is trolling the SJWs. Unlikely though – she’s generally an uber-SJW herself.

    Still, I wonder what she reads to her kids? Bet it’s something traditional.

    In fact here are her 19 favourites from this interview. One is Lolita, another is a children’s book by a paedophile and rapist, but I don’t think any of the choices are very woke and AFAIK none of the childrens books feature intense gay relationships.

    “Emma” by Jane Austen
    “A Tale of Two Cities” by Charles Dickens
    “The Woman Who Walked Into Doors” by Roddy Doyle
    “Macbeth” by William Shakespeare
    “The Iliad” by Homer
    “Lolita”by Vladimir Nabokov
    “Chéri” by Colette

    “Team of Rivals” by Doris Kearns Goodwin
    “The diaries of Auberon Waugh” by Auberon Waugh – extremely un-PC.
    “Secrets of the Flesh: A Life of Colette” by Judith Thurman
    “Hons and Rebels” by Jessica Mitford

    “Black Beauty,” by Anna Sewell
    “The Little White Horse” by Elizabeth Goudge – her main influence writing HP, apparently.
    “Little Women” by Louisa May Alcott
    “Manxmouse: The Mouse Who Knew No Fear” by Paul Gallico
    “Ballet Shoes” by Noel Streatfield
    “The Story of the Treasure Seekers” by E. Nesbit
    “I Capture the Castle” by Dodie Smith
    “Grimble” by Clement Freud

  149. @CCZ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY

    "...and everybody hates the J..." (at 1:12)

    September 11th 1967

    Lehrer doesn’t mention the question, do the Jews hate anyone.

  150. To all talking about “Beto” as some sort of unknown quantity, he’s taken more AIPAC/J Street/et al $$$$ than anyone of his age and with his tenure, possibly in history.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2018&ind=Q05

    He ranked 7th, with those above him being lifelong senior senator Zionists. So there’s that. And I’m not talking about his “clean” campaign money, this data is pre-campaign. The guy was pushed to wherever he is right now bc of AIPAC, not his “deep pockets” FIL or a savvy social media campaign or his longfaced “good looks”. He is AIPAC’s boy. This is how far it’s fallen, that AIPAC can’t even be relied on to “pick a winner” these days.

    As I was trying to find the hard numbers, I noticed that most articles referenced Beto’s “courting of AIPAC”, as if a whore can court a pimp.

  151. @Hail

    Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby.
     
    Whoa. "Dear Abby" was Jewish?

    Pauline Esther "Popo" Phillips (née Friedman; July 4, 1918 – January 16, 2013), also known as Abigail Van Buren, was an American advice columnist and radio show host who began the Dear Abby column in 1956
     

    Pauline Esther Friedman, nicknamed "Popo", was born in Sioux City, Iowa, to Russian Jewish immigrants, Rebecca (née Rushall) and Abraham B. Friedman, owner of a chain of movie theaters.[3] She was the youngest of four sisters and grew up in Sioux City. Her identical twin, Esther Pauline Friedman (married name Lederer), was columnist Ann Landers
     
    "Ann Landers" also Jewish? All those decades, millions will have been none the wiser on this. I would only note in passing that they didn't write under anything like their real names ("Dear Friedman"), instead choosing two highly-WASP-seeming pseudonym-identities, 'Abigail Van Buren' and 'Ann Landers.' I guess we should be flattered. Right?

    As to Steve's statement "[Congressman Dean] Phillips’ grandma was Dear Abby," this is not correct if speaking genetically, as (acc. to the Wiki) Dear Abby's son was Congressman Dean Phillips' adoptive father. Dean Philipps' birth parents, DeeDee Cohen and Artie Pfefer, were almost certainly both Jewish, anyway.

    (Note, no relation here to Heroic American-Indian Elder Nathan Phillips. Sadly for the latter, after the smoke cleared from his fifteen minutes, contrary to what some here semi-seriously predicted, he has ended up without a guest-commentator slot on MSNBC after all. And no "Dear Tribal Elder Nathan" column, either.)

    You are surprised that two yentas telling everyone how they should behave are Jewish?

  152. @Steve Sailer
    I was talking to a guy at a facial recognition software firm and he said, "Oh, yeah, Pedo Face is a real thing."

    I would imagine Weed Face is real.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    I was talking to a guy at a facial recognition software firm and he said, "Oh, yeah, Pedo Face is a real thing."

    I would imagine Weed Face is real.

    It would be fascinating to look at that across all sorts of things. And even better if one could bundle in other physical characteristics (e.g. height and weight) as well.

  154. Weed face is not real, you idiots. lol

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Is it scruffy and puffy, with inappropriate smiling but not as creepy as pedo face, and with pimples and reddened eyes?
  155. @Prusmc
    I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative.

    “I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative.”

    Would make a great movie. Neither knows the other is a spy. Hilarity ensues.

    • Replies: @MarkinPNW
    Isn't one of the "conspiracy theories" of the Oklahoma City bombing that one conspirator was working for the ATF, the other for the FBI, each without the other's knowledge, and they just kept "provacateuring" each other until it tragically got out of hand?
  156. @Don't Look at Me
    "I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative."

    Would make a great movie. Neither knows the other is a spy. Hilarity ensues.

    Isn’t one of the “conspiracy theories” of the Oklahoma City bombing that one conspirator was working for the ATF, the other for the FBI, each without the other’s knowledge, and they just kept “provacateuring” each other until it tragically got out of hand?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Near OKC is the Christian fundamentalist white separatist colony Elohim City, which naturally attracted government attention. A key government agent infiltrating that community, and possibly setting up stingable bombings or sales meetings, was Andreas Strassmeir, an agent of the German equivalent of the FBI. Between the sensitive nature of his work and the fact that Strassmeir is a foreign national, it's an informational dead end. There is an idea that McVeigh was doing work anti-extremist for the government with Strassmeir and got burned, but he could have easily been doing work against the government and met undercover agents.
  157. @Prusmc
    I always liked the conspiracy theory that she was planted by the Muslim Brotherhood to gain espionage info and he was working for the Mossad as a counter-intelligence operative.

    She is tied to Ikhwan and among her established activities serving Hillary was a completely illegal and brazen request to have classified emails forwarded to her account. On the other hand, Carlos Danger works alone (jaguar sound effect).

  158. @Steve Sailer
    I was talking to a guy at a facial recognition software firm and he said, "Oh, yeah, Pedo Face is a real thing."

    I would imagine Weed Face is real.

    I image searched “pedo face” and this was the first result:

  159. @MarkinPNW
    Isn't one of the "conspiracy theories" of the Oklahoma City bombing that one conspirator was working for the ATF, the other for the FBI, each without the other's knowledge, and they just kept "provacateuring" each other until it tragically got out of hand?

    Near OKC is the Christian fundamentalist white separatist colony Elohim City, which naturally attracted government attention. A key government agent infiltrating that community, and possibly setting up stingable bombings or sales meetings, was Andreas Strassmeir, an agent of the German equivalent of the FBI. Between the sensitive nature of his work and the fact that Strassmeir is a foreign national, it’s an informational dead end. There is an idea that McVeigh was doing work anti-extremist for the government with Strassmeir and got burned, but he could have easily been doing work against the government and met undercover agents.

  160. @L Bean
    Weed face is not real, you idiots. lol

    Is it scruffy and puffy, with inappropriate smiling but not as creepy as pedo face, and with pimples and reddened eyes?

  161. @Clyde
    Looking at your last four peak stupidity posts....Very witty with Chelsea Hubbell. You should migrate the whole shebang to Unz. The downside is increased leftist doxing.

    Thanks again for the compliment, Clyde!

  162. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so let me make sure I understand what happened here.

    There was a meeting between Jewish and Muslim congressmen. The reason for this was to disprove that being Jewish or Muslim creates loyalty to another country.

    And the meeting fell apart because of an arguement over the Israel - Palestine conflict... Well, at least we know our representatives are exclusively concerned with the affairs of the US, and not some low grade, never ending ethnic conflict thousands of miles from our shores(?)

    It all could have been avoided if someone was astute enough to mention that it was Putin sewing the seeds of division in the party, to help Trump in 2020.

  163. The day after Sam rescues Frodo from the tower of Cirith Ungol, two orcs, an Uruk and a smaller tracker orc, nearly catch them, but a fight breaks out between their pursuers:

    The big orc, spear in hand, leapt after him. But the tracker, springing behind a stone, put an arrow in his eye as he ran up, and he fell with a crash. The other ran off across the valley and disappeared.

    For a while the hobbits sat in silence. At length Sam stirred. ‘Well I call that neat as neat,’ he said. ‘If this nice friendliness would spread about in Mordor, half our trouble would be over.’

    ‘Quietly, Sam,’ Frodo whispered. ‘There may be others about. We have evidently had a very narrow escape, and the hunt was hotter on our tracks than we guessed. But that is the spirit of Mordor, Sam; and it has spread to every corner of it. Orcs have always behaved like that, or so all tales say, when they are on their own. But you can’t get much hope out of it. They hate us far more, altogether and all the time. If those two had seen us, they would have dropped all their quarrel until we were dead.’

    (Return of the King, ‘The Land of Shadow’)

  164. @Tex
    IIRC, Beto's father-in-law is a deep pockets type.

    He raises lots of cash and has a lot of buzz around him. I assume that's b/c Dem big shots want a white candidate on the national stage that isn't geriatric. Picking off Cruz would have made Beto presidential material. As it is, he's got the blank slate going for him, and buckets of money (presumably), but I'm not sure what else.

    I think that begs the question, can a white guy win the Dem nomination.

    If you could merge Beto (charm, such as it is) & Biden (experience, and a passable imitation of gravitas), you'd have a pretty strong candidate.

    Beto, as someone has said, is the kind of guy women will love because he looks like the type that would care for the children you had with another man.

    Biden is the guy who would grope those children.

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