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From Bloomberg:

These Are the Top 20 Cities Americans Are Ditching

Soaring costs of living meant residents left New York City and its suburbs in droves
by Erin Roman Wei Lu
July 22, 2015 — 3:00 AM PDT

Some of these cities are just Rust Belt cities in long-term decline, but the others are more interesting:

New York City, Los Angeles, Honolulu: They’re all places you would think would be popular destinations for Americans. So it might come as a surprise that these are among the cities U.S. residents are fleeing in droves.

The map below shows the 20 metropolitan areas that lost the greatest share of local people to other parts of the country between July 2013 and July 2014, according to a Bloomberg News analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. …

Interestingly, these are also the cities with some of the highest net inflows of people from outside the country. That gives many of these cities a steadily growing population, despite the net exodus of people moving within the U.S.

So what’s going on here? Michael Stoll, a professor of public policy and urban planning at the University of California Los Angeles, has an idea. Soaring home prices are pushing local residents out and scaring away potential new ones from other parts of the country, he said. (Everyone knows how unaffordable the Manhattan area has become.)

And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls “creative housing arrangements” in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It’s an arrangement that most Americans just aren’t willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it’s not for them as time goes by, he said.

This has both a short-term (sojourners) and long-term (clannish cultures) aspect, as I noted in my 2010 review in VDARE of Tory cabinet minister David Willetts’ book The Pinch:

Willetts nicely lays out one reason why the Blair-Brown Bubble in London did so little to alleviate unemployment among young Englishmen in blue collar cities like Liverpool (just as the Bush Bubble in Las Vegas didn’t help American workers in Cleveland, as I pointed out in VDARE.com on July 7, 2006). He writes: “Quite simply, high house prices were one factor sucking in immigrants.”

Willetts observes, “The young man from Liverpool does not see why he should live in more cramped conditions than his family back in Liverpool occupy.” In contrast, the immigrant crams into a house with many others from his country. “His willingness to be under-housed gives him a labour market advantage and it is greater if house prices are higher.” In turn, sucking in immigrants creates a vicious cycle, driving up housing prices, which drives out more natives.

Moreover, remittances sent home from London to Liverpool buy a lot less in Liverpool than remittances sent home to a poor country:

“So it is not that our Liverpudlian is somehow a bad person compared to our Pole. It is that he or she cannot capture similar benefits for their family by under-housing themselves in London.”

Willetts sums up:

“The crucial proposition therefore underlying the economics of immigration in Britain is as follows. The larger the proportion of earnings consumed by housing costs, the greater the benefits of under-housing and the greater the price advantage of immigrant labour. It was not despite the high cost of housing that immigrants came to the house price hotspots in Britain to make a living—it was because of them.”

But, of course, a lot of immigrants who initially assume they’ll just be sojourning in America so they can send home remittances before they make their triumphant return wind up staying here and bringing over their extended families to live with them, crowding out Americans. As I explained:

The [Anglo-American-style] nuclear family is expensive. Each small family wants its own place to live—ideally, a house with a garden. Not surprisingly, the crowded British Isles were long the emigration capital of the world, as people headed out for the emptier lands of America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Why don’t Anglo-Saxons like to live in large, noisy My Big Fat Greek Wedding-style homes? Unfortunately, Willetts doesn’t address this. Personally, I don`t see much evidence that people from other cultures get along better with their relatives. They just don’t seem to mind screaming at their cousin-in-laws as much as Anglos would mind. …

This relative lack of nepotism and ethnocentrism makes Anglos simultaneously both successful and at risk of being out-maneuvered by less idealistic groups.

The need for a separate home for each nuclear family can put Anglo-derived cultures at a disadvantage in newly cosmopolitan cities. For example, Los Angeles, strange as it may seem now, was largely built in the 20th Century by civil people from rather bland, trusting places such as Iowa, Illinois (where my father is from) and Minnesota (where my late mother grew up).

This causes them and their descendents problems today, in a very expensive city increasingly dominated by newcomers from the more vibrant cultures of the ex-Soviet Union and the Middle East who don’t as much mind crowding in with their in-laws and cutting corners on their taxes.

Bloomberg concludes:

El Paso, Texas, the city that residents fled from at the fastest pace, also saw a surprisingly small number of foreigners settling in given how close it is to Mexico.

“A lot of young, reasonably educated people are having a hard time finding work there,” Stoll said. “They’re not staying in town after they graduate,” leaving for the faster-growing economies of neighboring metro areas like Dallas and Austin, he said.

This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico. And some of Connecticut’s problems are due to Puerto Rican areas stop attracting Puerto Ricans.

 
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  1. This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.

    With the low crime rate of El Paso, pointed out here before, you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to. You would also think the feds might even use Section 8 vouchers to pull poor blacks out of bad zip codes and send them to El Paso and increase its diversity. But apparently that is not happening.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Let's not take the claim that El Paso is an unusually safe city at face value. As Ann Coulter wrote in her column of 7/15/15:

    Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso "is among the safest big cities in America."

    In fact, however, El Paso's "safe city" ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI's more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average.
     
    , @Jimi
    I wonder what "local" is defined as. An immigrant moves to El Paso and works for 5 years after which he leaves for another part of America. He is then replaced by another more recently arrived immigrant. Is he counted as part of local "emigration"?

    In the Northeast it is common for immigrants to move directly into their ethnic enclave and then disperse after a few years to a place they like better.
    , @jamie
    "...you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to.

    Lived in El Paso for a year. It's a very ugly town.
  2. This is an interesting subject, but those numbers on the map aren’t so useful. They cover just one year, and they don’t distinguish between Americans, immigrants, and “immigrants”.

    I doubt very much that the number for El Paso says anything much about “Americans”. It could just represent an excess, that year, of Mexicans leaving to fan out into the rest of the country, over newly-arrived Mexicans. The next year could be the opposite. El Paso was 81% Hispanic in 2010 (and that’s just the ones that let themselves get counted).

    • Replies: @Forbes

    those numbers on the map aren’t so useful. They cover just one year
     
    Precisely. There's no context to the numbers. Is it a trend? Are the numbers increasing, decreasing, or static, i.e. typical? One year--compared to what? As absolute numbers, they're very small--less than 1%. Noise.

    Every year NYC sees an influx of college graduates. Some stay, so go after a few years. Yes, housing here has gotten vastly more expensive--after being expensive to start with. But that's merely one element of why people move. And it doesn't say much about Americans living elsewhere facing different trade-offs.
  3. @iSteveFan

    This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.
     
    With the low crime rate of El Paso, pointed out here before, you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to. You would also think the feds might even use Section 8 vouchers to pull poor blacks out of bad zip codes and send them to El Paso and increase its diversity. But apparently that is not happening.

    Let’s not take the claim that El Paso is an unusually safe city at face value. As Ann Coulter wrote in her column of 7/15/15:

    Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso “is among the safest big cities in America.”

    In fact, however, El Paso’s “safe city” ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI’s more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average.

    • Replies: @carol
    It sounds like El Paso still uses UCR instead of the newer NIBRS for its crime reports. All states were supposed to go to NIBRS but Texas is still UCR. I think that's what she's talking about. Always gonna migrate to NIBRS, but contracting & implementation have been hung up for years now.

    Kinda nice how staying with UCR understates things.
    , @WhatEvvs
    On all of her TV appearances Coulter stresses - with passion - how difficult it is to get accurate data about immigration and crime. At first I was skeptical. She's an accomplished actress by now, but her manner - on this subject - strikes me as sincere. I really do think she's upset by this.

    I've always been very up and down on her (good on some things, crazy on others) but she is hitting it out of the park on this. My local library has all her books, I'll give them that.

    Adios America stats:

    ebook: 22 holds on 9 copies
    hardcover: 30 holds on 22 copies
  4. It is ridiculous how New York has been lumped in with blue collar industrial cities Newark and Jersey City. NYC I suspect is gaining more American residents than ever.

    We are receiving a huge influx of white professionals from all over the country. The percentage of white people is steady or gaining in NYC even as it declines in the country. Immigrants now skip NYC and move directly to the cheaper suburbs.

    I suspect the loss is reflected in Newark’s decline and in the huge number of people who move to NYC for 2-5 years and then move on.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are leaving NYC.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but it also has high-end housing and a financial district that's sort of Wall Street west. For example, the largest building in NJ (at least, the largest before the big new residential skyscraper in Fort Lee) is the Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City.
    , @candid_observer
    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.

    It must be fewer people living in the same housing (in fact I'd guess there's only more housing than before, as neighborhoods get gentrified and there are, one expects, fewer houses that are abandoned (which was pretty common in the South Bronx, some time ago.)

    But it would be interesting to see just how this works, neighborhood by neighborhood and demographic by demographic.

  5. Glancing back and forth between this map and the 2012 Election Red/Blue County Map.. not sure I’m seeing any exodus from Red.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    The problem is blues move to red country and vote blue. They fouled their nest then decamped to red states to make them purple, initially, and then blue. The upper bound to blue stupidity is not finite.
  6. @iSteveFan

    This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.
     
    With the low crime rate of El Paso, pointed out here before, you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to. You would also think the feds might even use Section 8 vouchers to pull poor blacks out of bad zip codes and send them to El Paso and increase its diversity. But apparently that is not happening.

    I wonder what “local” is defined as. An immigrant moves to El Paso and works for 5 years after which he leaves for another part of America. He is then replaced by another more recently arrived immigrant. Is he counted as part of local “emigration”?

    In the Northeast it is common for immigrants to move directly into their ethnic enclave and then disperse after a few years to a place they like better.

  7. @Jimi
    It is ridiculous how New York has been lumped in with blue collar industrial cities Newark and Jersey City. NYC I suspect is gaining more American residents than ever.

    We are receiving a huge influx of white professionals from all over the country. The percentage of white people is steady or gaining in NYC even as it declines in the country. Immigrants now skip NYC and move directly to the cheaper suburbs.

    I suspect the loss is reflected in Newark's decline and in the huge number of people who move to NYC for 2-5 years and then move on.

    African-Americans are leaving NYC.

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    According to a recent report, some black people are not arriving in the first place,since black abortions now outnumber black births in NYC. Just what Margaret Sanger had in mind.
    , @Hrw-500
    Indeed, there some "black flight" in some places like Harlem
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/nyregion/06harlem.html?_r=0
    http://www.wnyc.org/story/119959-census/ as well as Compton, South Central Los Angeles (Watts) and Chicago where they move to the suburbs or even other states.

    Some are worried about this and it could happen in Detroit as well, the fear of "Brooklynization" of MotorCity. http://voiceofdetroit.net/2014/06/16/are-we-passing-the-tipping-point-for-black-habitation-in-the-cities/
    http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=217992

    And let's check what the folks of Zero Hedge think about this. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-22/americans-are-fleeing-these-us-cities-droves
    , @WhatEvvs
    And being replaced just as quickly by African-Africans. There are now large W. African communities in Harlem and central Brooklyn. It will be interesting to see whether they assimilate into the white culture, or black. They hate AAs, but the odds are that their children will become AAs.
  8. No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.
     
    A lot of people that move there leave in a pine box.
    , @Ivy
    New Mexico has an unofficial nickname, according to some lower income residents: The Land of Entrapment.

    Wages are so low that people have a hard time saving enough after rent, food, transportation and other costs to be able to afford to leave. They say that amassing rent funds to cover first, last and deposit is a big obstacle. One alternative is to hop a bus and stiff the locals on the way to anywhere else. Not much of a life for those unfortunates. Perhaps Santa Fe has its own ideas for a Camp of Saints?

    , @Mr. Blank
    Well, I'd leave if I could afford to, but generally, that's a pretty fair assessment. People who move here from colder climes talk constantly about how much better the weather is here and how they never want to move back up North. (And then they complain about everything else. "We don't CARE how you did it up North!" is a popular bumper sticker on the pickup trucks of old-timey Floridians.)
    , @midtown
    I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don't miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Florida attracts the kind of people I hope will stay there. It's a great holding cell.
    , @JD

    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.
     
    I don't know. I lived in So Fl for around 6 years. Hated it. Flat, humid, and a decidedly third world vibe. Couldn't wait to leave. Moved to mountains and dry weather.
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “NYC mayor chastises EU on immigration policy”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/310414-new-york-mayor-criticizes-eu-trump/

    “As a proud Italian-American, I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself very unfairly,” said De Blasio in a statement, whose grandparents emigrated from Italy to New York.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that "As a proud Italian-American" sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American."
    , @International Jew

    I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself
     
    Wait a minute, if African immigrants are a blessing (young, vibrant, entrepreneurial, destined to pay the taxes that will keep the welfare state afloat), and Italy is getting first dibs on them, then how is that bad for Italy?
  10. would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc…are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return.

    • Replies: @JerseyGuy
    North Carolina, especially Raleigh is popular with people from the NYC Metro area, especially with young families. South Carolina and Florida have always been popular with retirees.
    , @SILVER FISH
    "would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc…are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return."

    Come to Salt Lake City baby. Utah has AAA credit, Google is putting in whatever the most vast broadband standard is in both SLC and Provo, the radio news just announced Utah was top state for job creation for the fifth month in a row, the demographic is young, birthrate is high, attractive harmless sexually-available young white people are more numerous than fallen leaves and cigarette butts and feral cats COMBINED (and what a combination that would be, I'ma put that in my files) and finally Mormons are religiously instructed to stockpile food against future disaster, so by moving into such an area you increase your survival fitness BOOM just-like-that...
  11. Vaguely on-topic:

    A map showing where 95% of the Earth’s population lives:

    http://io9.com/this-maps-red-and-blue-regions-each-contain-5-of-the-w-1719773481

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I see that the creator of the map, one Max Galka, is another fan of the ant-heap lifestyle:

    If anything, I see South Asia’s dense population as a positive thing. It is very efficient economically, socially, and environmentally for people to live in dense population centers. And a movement out of rural areas into cities is trend that is happening everywhere in the world, even in India and Bangladesh. So in that sense, they are ahead of the curve.

    The cities there do have problems with the infrastructure not being able to keep up, but if people are choosing to move there anyway, it tells me that the economic opportunities of living with lots of people outweigh the problems.
     
    Nothing says "economic opportunity" like living ten to a refrigerator-box next to an open sewer!
  12. Re NYC, it’s an incredibly transient place. I work half of the time in our NYC office with co-workers originally from both the NYC metro area and from out of state (e.g. graduates from North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado, etc.). Although some of them stay long term, most actually head back to their home states after a few years.

    Also, the over-crowding phenomenon is very apparent in places like Queens and the non-trendy parts of Brooklyn. The quality of life is quite poor in these neighborhoods. If you ever read the blog “Queens Crap”, you’ll get an idea of the over-development in these places. And it’s getting worse because these cities don’t have the money to expand the infrastructure, including NYC.

    Also, this article just highlights the utter stupidity of the Republican Party. You would think they would realize that Americans in general are moving to Red States, especially to start families during their peak earnings years. Instead, they promote policies that actually inflates the population of Blue States with poorer potential voters. Utter insanity!

    • Replies: @Clyde

    If you ever read the blog “Queens Crap”, you’ll get an idea of the over-development in these places.
     
    Great blog to get a good take on the degradation of New York City. The Asian invasion of Queens. Their commie mayor DeBlasio. Cynical and sarcastic about all the corrupt and bribed hacks. Pols (99% Democrats) are indicted all the time for lining their pockets. Minority hacks often indicted too.
  13. @Travis
    would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc...are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return.

    North Carolina, especially Raleigh is popular with people from the NYC Metro area, especially with young families. South Carolina and Florida have always been popular with retirees.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I'm told by a friend who lives there Cary is known as 'Containment Area for Relocated Yankees'.
  14. I guess Washington DC is losing population because people understandably are tired of being mugged. But the Maryland and Northern Virginia suburbs surrounding America’s greatest growth industry are gaining population and are four or five of the six most affluent counties in the country.

  15. A more robust theory with greater explanation power would be that the more non-White an urban area gets, the more people who can flee do flee. After all, ultra-high cost Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco are not exactly begging for people. Its just that lots of ultra poor Mexican day labor and vibrant people from places like Ferguson have not seen yet to crowd into ultra expensive areas that are culturally hostile to the peasant culture of say, Michoacan or the Mississippi Delta as interpreted by South Central LA.

    A place like El Paso (was there briefly) is extremely unpleasant, dominated by the peasant culture of Mexico, not much there in terms of a mate market for young Whites or employment that is high paying or even stuff like Bush Housing Bubble Vegas construction.

    Eventually of course even the Pacific Northwest edge cities will be over-run by diversity, of the Mexican rather than the Black kind, would be the smart bet. But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    " NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large."

    Including NYC (and perhaps Chicago) makes no sense. Wealthy people live in NYC. That puts a floor under how low they can sink. Memphis or Baltimore - sure, nobody cares about Memphis or Baltimore. They can go to hell. But the Masters of the Universe who reside in New York won't let New York become the kind of place where they feel uncomfortable living.

    , @Dignan
    The media is trying to incite a Ferguson/Baltimore riot currently in Memphis after a white cop killed a black kid (with sexual abuse warrant outstanding in Iowa) who resisted arrest:

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/local-news/assessing-the-police-shooting-of-darrius-stewart_03813914

    It was interesting how there seemed to be little unrest immediately after the incident - police suspended officer & the state was going to do an investigation - but then the local Congressman (Steve Cohen) and the media started stirring the pot. They did have the bad luck to have this occur the day before a white guy who was allegedly tripping on acid died after being arrested & hog tied by the police just over the state line in the Mississippi suburbs (which was caught on video).

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/21/asthmatic-father-dies-after-police-hogt

    The layout of the city makes Memphis quite a powder keg in the event of riots - nice neighborhoods are in close proximity to bad ones throughout the city.
    , @Marc
    "But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large".

    NYC & Chicago will be fine since they are international commerce & media centers that steadily export undertow populations into outlying areas. Memphis bottomed out years ago and should hold steady for at least couple more decades now that Whites are moving into and establishing businesses the less dangerous urban neighborhoods. Memphis is the most laid back dangerous city in the US. The ultra-violence and mayhem on the 10PM news is regarded as background noise until it hits home, which it eventually does. Most living here know of someone close who has been affected by black on White violent crime.

  16. @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are leaving NYC.

    According to a recent report, some black people are not arriving in the first place,since black abortions now outnumber black births in NYC. Just what Margaret Sanger had in mind.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?
  17. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://972mag.com/for-the-first-time-in-history-jews-can-take-part-in-war-from-home/109087/?utm

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.
     
    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don't kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.
    , @Deduction
    Not really. I'm pretty sure everyone expects Israel, like every other country, to try and manipulate their image abroad.

    You become a conspiracy nut when you make it the axiom of your beliefs.
  18. I grew up and graduated high school in El Paso 30 years ago. I left town for college and have only been back once since then as my remaining family all moved away also. It’s a classic low-wage town and heavily propped up by Fort Bliss (which is why we lived there).

    I was shocked to see it highest on the list though, because there can’t be that many people leaving for technology jobs in Austin (where I now live) or D/FW. There just aren’t that many college graduates coming out of UTEP.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There was a lot of migration from El Paso to the Odessa-Midland area for oil jobs.
    , @Anon
    Remember, if you're Hispanic, marginally intelligent and from El Paso, you have your pick of UT, A&M and Tech along with a large handful of lesser state schools. Those are your stepping stone to DFW, Austin, Houston and San Antonio.
  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you’ve blogged before about how movie grip crews are unionized and well protected. How well protected are actors? I’ve heard that pretty much all actors in Hollywood are a part of the Screen Actors Guild, from the biggest stars down to the lowliest, rarely working actors. Apparently Donald Trump gets a $110,000 pension from SAG for I guess his cameo work over the years:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-is-drawing-a-110000-pension-from-the-screen-actors-guild-2015-7

  20. @Anonymous
    "NYC mayor chastises EU on immigration policy"

    https://www.rt.com/usa/310414-new-york-mayor-criticizes-eu-trump/

    "As a proud Italian-American, I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself very unfairly," said De Blasio in a statement, whose grandparents emigrated from Italy to New York.
     

    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that “As a proud Italian-American” sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American.”

    • Replies: @SFG
    Especially in *New York*! All the Jewish conspiracy theories are actually true there!
    , @Anonymous
    His father left the family when he was young and he was estranged from him. He was raised by his mother and her family
    , @Glossy
    His father left the family when he was a kid and he hates him for it. It's a common story. The politically correct flight from uptight could have been a subconscious influence too I guess. But when asked about it De Blasio just says that his father was a deadbeat alcoholic and that he was really brought up by his mother's family, the De Blasios.

    We could call him Billy D. Wilhelm.

    , @Jefferson
    "I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that “As a proud Italian-American” sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American.”"

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.
  21. The problem with red states is that their policies attract people who will turn them blue.

  22. El Paso’s been going steadily downhill since the Faleena Incident:

    • Replies: @GW
    Man I miss that show.
    , @Beach
    Every time I hear that song, I think of this:

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2013/05/may-the-cinco-be-with-you.html

    Hilarious.
  23. @Harry Baldwin
    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that "As a proud Italian-American" sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American."

    Especially in *New York*! All the Jewish conspiracy theories are actually true there!

  24. @JerseyGuy
    North Carolina, especially Raleigh is popular with people from the NYC Metro area, especially with young families. South Carolina and Florida have always been popular with retirees.

    I’m told by a friend who lives there Cary is known as ‘Containment Area for Relocated Yankees’.

  25. @Harry Baldwin
    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that "As a proud Italian-American" sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American."

    His father left the family when he was young and he was estranged from him. He was raised by his mother and her family

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, I was aware of Di Blasio's explanation as I checked Wikipedia before posting. I'm sure politics had nothing to do with his decision to legally change his name twice.
  26. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls “creative housing arrangements” in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home.”

    ROTFL.

    ‘Creative housing arrangements’.

    I guess all them Africans crowded into boats headed to Europe are part of ‘creative cruises’.

    Who knew slum living could be so ‘creative’?

    It’s not just the creative class.

    Now we have the creative mass.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Creative indeed. I remember visiting Hong Kong and being shown a tiny apartment that housed 21 men. They lived in the "house" in shifts. Seven slept, while seven were at work and the other seven were out doing who knows what...Thought that was bizarre until I was shown the harbors with hundreds of Junks tendered together. You had to cross the decks of dozens of boats to reach the docks, and the communal bathrooms. The stench. The stench.
  27. I saw an African in my nice little town today. You can flee, but they follow.

  28. I always think describing people as “leaving” these cities is a euphemism. I think in many of the places (Rust Belt) the damage to the age profile was done in the 1970s and 80s. I can believe that there are still net outflows from those places, but nothing like the Gotterdammerung of the late 1970s (also when Florida and California weren’t yet filled to the brim with immigrants). The people aren’t moving, they’re dying.

  29. Lots of young white and Asian American professionals are moving to Brooklyn, while the super rich are moving to Manhattan. Queens is being taken over by the Chinese and Indians, both first and second generation. My building used to be very Jewish, now as the old timers die or move out to a nursing home, their coop is sold to Asians.

    The only new whites moving into the neighborhood are “the young old”, people in their late 50s giving up their now unaffordable apartments in Manhattan, and moving back to the neighborhood they grew up in-where it is still affordable. They are hankering down I guess, returning to their childhood neighborhoods to live out their golden years. There are two types of building going up in this central Queens neighborhood. Assisted living facilities for the many aging white New Yorkers, and newly minted condos who seem to be attracting young east Asian and south Asian second generation American professionals. The white professionals prefer the gentrifying but still ugly ghettos of Brooklyn. Brooklyn has become the promised land for young white people. So many young whites are moving there-it is quite an astonishing phenomenon to see first hand. They are putting down roots, buying new condominiums in neighborhoods within walking distance to the projects and horrible schools.

    Deblasio plans to build thousands of new “affordable” housing probably for the people priced out of Brooklyn. I have a horrible feeling he is going to build these projects (and yes that is what they will be) in Queens. The only saving grace is that these affordable housing units might be taken up by poor south Asians and east Asians, who, believe it or not, have slowly been moving in the black dominated projects.

    http://observer.com/2015/03/councilwoman-raises-concerns-about-blocs-of-asians-moving-into-nycha/

    Interesting times.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There is nothing which unites these peoples except tenuous financial-economic relationships. It's scary to think that the only thing which is preventing these diverse megalopolises from turning into an urban Mad Max on bath salts is the predominant belief that the dollar, and the rest of the IOU financial system, represents real value. Once that goes, all the kings horses and all the kings men won't even be able to head off the generations of extreme enmity and brutality and barbarism. There will be no remnants of civilized society. Outside the megalopolises you will see bizarre sights, like swarms of Somalis tearing off wood siding on beautiful historic homes in west St. Paul so they can burn to keep from freezing. L.A. will look like scenes out of Stephen King's The Stand, with pregnant Amerindians leaving their dying babies in the streets.

    It's okay to bring in huge populations of third-world peoples into first-world societies, so long as you have lots of prosperity and lots of provisions to take care of them. Once the prosperity goes you don't have reversion to their third world society, you have a very unnatural and much worse world. Think Brazilian prison. And if you're a white or an East Asian person, again think Brazilian prison. It will be primitive and brutal.
  30. Hey, check out this ‘creative travel’.

    Hey, check out his ‘creative housing’ concept. Americans were there first.

  31. @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    A lot of people that move there leave in a pine box.

  32. Connecticut’s problems are very interesting (it is my home state). Connecticut only adopted a personal income tax in 1992; from 1992-2010, it had Republican governors who could (in theory) check the Democratic legislature. After the Democrats took control of the governorship in 2011, they enacted the largest tax increase in the state’s history (the second largest was this year).

    This seems to have changed the state from the tax haven among other high-tax states to the state people are fleeing. It also appears to have accelerated the usual pattern of migration to Florida for old Greenwich banker types.

    • Replies: @bigred2000
    Connecticut is really getting left behind. Basically the whole state is included on that map. I've heard there's some Connecticut to new Hampshire migration, like I'm sure there is further south and west. Seems like one place where democrat policies have had very negative consequences.
  33. @Harry Baldwin
    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that "As a proud Italian-American" sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American."

    His father left the family when he was a kid and he hates him for it. It’s a common story. The politically correct flight from uptight could have been a subconscious influence too I guess. But when asked about it De Blasio just says that his father was a deadbeat alcoholic and that he was really brought up by his mother’s family, the De Blasios.

    We could call him Billy D. Wilhelm.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    The New York Post calls Bill de Blasio (Warren Wilhelm, Jr.) "Kaiser Bill" which is witty and appropriate.
  34. @Jason Sylvester
    El Paso's been going steadily downhill since the Faleena Incident:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-y3DB0wLh4

    Man I miss that show.

  35. @Jimi
    It is ridiculous how New York has been lumped in with blue collar industrial cities Newark and Jersey City. NYC I suspect is gaining more American residents than ever.

    We are receiving a huge influx of white professionals from all over the country. The percentage of white people is steady or gaining in NYC even as it declines in the country. Immigrants now skip NYC and move directly to the cheaper suburbs.

    I suspect the loss is reflected in Newark's decline and in the huge number of people who move to NYC for 2-5 years and then move on.

    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but it also has high-end housing and a financial district that’s sort of Wall Street west. For example, the largest building in NJ (at least, the largest before the big new residential skyscraper in Fort Lee) is the Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but…
     
    Jersey City challenges St Paul for the title of most Asian city east of California. However, Jersey's Asians are subcontinental rather than Indochinese. Literal, rather than littoral, Asians.
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls “creative housing arrangements” in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home.

    I can see a world where many of today’s suburban McMansions will become boarding houses for groups of cash-poor single retirees in order to capture the economic benefits of shared living.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    Can you say "massive health hazard"? Those homes aren't designed for that many people keeping the facilities in daily use. It might well happen, but it would lead to a revival of delights such as cholera.
  37. @Anonymous
    His father left the family when he was young and he was estranged from him. He was raised by his mother and her family

    Yes, I was aware of Di Blasio’s explanation as I checked Wikipedia before posting. I’m sure politics had nothing to do with his decision to legally change his name twice.

  38. @Jimi
    It is ridiculous how New York has been lumped in with blue collar industrial cities Newark and Jersey City. NYC I suspect is gaining more American residents than ever.

    We are receiving a huge influx of white professionals from all over the country. The percentage of white people is steady or gaining in NYC even as it declines in the country. Immigrants now skip NYC and move directly to the cheaper suburbs.

    I suspect the loss is reflected in Newark's decline and in the huge number of people who move to NYC for 2-5 years and then move on.

    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.

    It must be fewer people living in the same housing (in fact I’d guess there’s only more housing than before, as neighborhoods get gentrified and there are, one expects, fewer houses that are abandoned (which was pretty common in the South Bronx, some time ago.)

    But it would be interesting to see just how this works, neighborhood by neighborhood and demographic by demographic.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    The article Steve linked to talks about the decline of the New York metro areas's population. The metro area is the city with all of its suburbs - more than 20 million people. NYC proper has roughly 8.5 million people. Its population is definitely increasing.
    , @officious intermeddler

    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.
     
    The population in NYC is not declining. The map shows how many people are moving out but not how many are moving in. In fact, NYC is the fastest growing city in the United States, by far, if you look at the numeric increase of population rather than the percentage increase.
  39. @Harry Baldwin
    Let's not take the claim that El Paso is an unusually safe city at face value. As Ann Coulter wrote in her column of 7/15/15:

    Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso "is among the safest big cities in America."

    In fact, however, El Paso's "safe city" ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI's more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average.
     

    It sounds like El Paso still uses UCR instead of the newer NIBRS for its crime reports. All states were supposed to go to NIBRS but Texas is still UCR. I think that’s what she’s talking about. Always gonna migrate to NIBRS, but contracting & implementation have been hung up for years now.

    Kinda nice how staying with UCR understates things.

  40. @Anonymous
    "NYC mayor chastises EU on immigration policy"

    https://www.rt.com/usa/310414-new-york-mayor-criticizes-eu-trump/

    "As a proud Italian-American, I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself very unfairly," said De Blasio in a statement, whose grandparents emigrated from Italy to New York.
     

    I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself

    Wait a minute, if African immigrants are a blessing (young, vibrant, entrepreneurial, destined to pay the taxes that will keep the welfare state afloat), and Italy is getting first dibs on them, then how is that bad for Italy?

  41. This thug puts fouteen tenants in a house with one toilet and assaults his wife. No problem, our PM John Key can be bought for NZ $25,000. (US $20,000).

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69426440/police-disappointed-charges-against-donghua-liu-dropped

    The Immigration Service said he should be denied residency and then said he should be denied citizenship, but was overruled on both occasions.

  42. OT: The Daily Caller has taken on the hot new internet meme amongst the alt-right troll army and has reaped the whirlwind in their comments section. Too funny:
    What’s Behind The ‘Cuckservative’ Slur? (NSFW)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

    • Replies: @Ex Machina
    Fan-effing-tastic. And of course Matt Lewis had to author the pathetic article.
    , @pork pie hat
    They're to be commended for leaving the comments up - similar articles that got similar treatment didn't like it and took comments down.
    , @Ex Machina
    Steve, I know the link Cagey Beast linked to is off topic, but I feel like it's blowing up and would love you to bring some more attention to it if possible (i.e., via its own post). FWIW.
    , @Sheila
    Most of Sailer's commentariat are cuckservatives. You may interpret that however you wish - if you're a RedSate fanboy, as White Supremacist; if you're a right-liberal, as an alt-right mock. I've been familiar with the term for a while; interesting to see it gaining wider use.
  43. “A historic measure to raise the District’s hourly minimum wage to $15 is headed toward next year’s ballot after city officials released a ruling Wednesday approving a voter initiative that places the nation’s capital at the center of a wage fight taking place in cities across the country.

    “If approved, the initiative would lift Washington’s minimum wage above every other city’s on the East Coast. It would push the District into a burgeoning, urban liberal vanguard on higher wages that includes Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.” (Washington Post)

    Is this a canny strategy to make such cities out of reach for people whose labor isn’t worth $15 an hour? And not only will there be no low-paying work available, but there won’t be any cheap, low-margin businesses around; there will only be pricey places, and poorer people, even the ones without jobs, will have to move somewhere else if they want to shop in a Dollar General or eat a Big Mac. As with the housing, immigrant businesses will play into this somehow, the places that don’t really pay official wages to their self-employed owners and relatives. Also, immigrant laborers will be as exempt from a $15 an hour wage floor as they are from any other legal restriction on their ability to work.

  44. @PenskeFile
    I grew up and graduated high school in El Paso 30 years ago. I left town for college and have only been back once since then as my remaining family all moved away also. It's a classic low-wage town and heavily propped up by Fort Bliss (which is why we lived there).

    I was shocked to see it highest on the list though, because there can't be that many people leaving for technology jobs in Austin (where I now live) or D/FW. There just aren't that many college graduates coming out of UTEP.

    There was a lot of migration from El Paso to the Odessa-Midland area for oil jobs.

  45. I was going to talk about the region from Toledo to Syracuse along Lake Erie as being sort of different, white people talking birth control, but then very few Latins moving here because not a lot of hot economic activity making the region surprisingly nice, particularly in the corridor between the Penn Border and Buffalo.

  46. @Anonymous
    Glancing back and forth between this map and the 2012 Election Red/Blue County Map.. not sure I'm seeing any exodus from Red.

    The problem is blues move to red country and vote blue. They fouled their nest then decamped to red states to make them purple, initially, and then blue. The upper bound to blue stupidity is not finite.

  47. What a load of pablum. It really is amazing how psuedoscience and psychobabble are used to try to hide the obvious truth. The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate, the quality of life and school and of course that all-important “property value” which is duck-speak for blacks. More Whites = more people wanting to come and live, more blacks = more people trying to leave.
    Its not science, Johnny! Its the unspoken Truth.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate…
     
    In both directions. I thought Honolulu was quite safe when I was a kid. I rode the bus alone to fourth grade. The city bus. I was often the only white on board.
    , @Travis
    This is true, but does not explain New York and Philadelphia (why are people leaving NYC but not Philadelphia since Philly is more black)

    New York City has always had significant less Blacks than Philly , yet Philadelphia did not make the list of top 20 metro areas where residents are leaving. I suppose all the white who wanted out left in between 1950-2000

    Philadelphia was 40% Black in 1990, and today is 44% Black. while the white Population fell from 52% to 38% but they were replaced by hispanics and Asians.

    In Philadelphia, the hispanics have historically been Puerto Ricans and even today 70% of the hispanics in Philly are Puerto Rican.

    since 1990 231,000 whites fled Philly, but they were replaced by 190,000 Hispanics and Asians. The black Population only grew by 20,000 people since 1990, while the population of Philadelphia has remained at 1.5 million. Over the last 5 years the population actually grew slightly with an additional 10,000 white people moving back to Philly.

    surprising to me to see some Philly neighborhoods gentrify over the last decade. I never would have believed it possible, to see whites living in Fairmount North. You could buy homes there for under 25,000 in 1990, today they sell for $500,000 across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary, as the whites moved into this ghetto. While the blacks have now taken over Northeast Philly, which went from 92% white to just 50% white in 20 years. Truly amazing to witness
  48. It is well known among law enforcement in El Paso that the cartels over in Juarez send their kids to school in El Paso, so that’s why a great majority of the violence stays south of the line.

  49. @I, Libertine
    According to a recent report, some black people are not arriving in the first place,since black abortions now outnumber black births in NYC. Just what Margaret Sanger had in mind.

    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    This is what Alex Jones wondered last May in Austin. http://www.infowars.com/blacklivesmatter-join-planned-parenthood-protest-on-52115/
    , @Reg Cæsar


    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?

     

    Rev Jackson is busy with the love child he didn't abort.
  50. Ivy says:
    @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    New Mexico has an unofficial nickname, according to some lower income residents: The Land of Entrapment.

    Wages are so low that people have a hard time saving enough after rent, food, transportation and other costs to be able to afford to leave. They say that amassing rent funds to cover first, last and deposit is a big obstacle. One alternative is to hop a bus and stiff the locals on the way to anywhere else. Not much of a life for those unfortunates. Perhaps Santa Fe has its own ideas for a Camp of Saints?

    • Replies: @Yngvar

    Not much of a life for those unfortunates. Perhaps Santa Fe has its own ideas for a Camp of Saints?
     
    Now I understand the nickname; Fanta See.
  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Merema
    Lots of young white and Asian American professionals are moving to Brooklyn, while the super rich are moving to Manhattan. Queens is being taken over by the Chinese and Indians, both first and second generation. My building used to be very Jewish, now as the old timers die or move out to a nursing home, their coop is sold to Asians.

    The only new whites moving into the neighborhood are "the young old", people in their late 50s giving up their now unaffordable apartments in Manhattan, and moving back to the neighborhood they grew up in-where it is still affordable. They are hankering down I guess, returning to their childhood neighborhoods to live out their golden years. There are two types of building going up in this central Queens neighborhood. Assisted living facilities for the many aging white New Yorkers, and newly minted condos who seem to be attracting young east Asian and south Asian second generation American professionals. The white professionals prefer the gentrifying but still ugly ghettos of Brooklyn. Brooklyn has become the promised land for young white people. So many young whites are moving there-it is quite an astonishing phenomenon to see first hand. They are putting down roots, buying new condominiums in neighborhoods within walking distance to the projects and horrible schools.

    Deblasio plans to build thousands of new "affordable" housing probably for the people priced out of Brooklyn. I have a horrible feeling he is going to build these projects (and yes that is what they will be) in Queens. The only saving grace is that these affordable housing units might be taken up by poor south Asians and east Asians, who, believe it or not, have slowly been moving in the black dominated projects.

    http://observer.com/2015/03/councilwoman-raises-concerns-about-blocs-of-asians-moving-into-nycha/

    Interesting times.

    There is nothing which unites these peoples except tenuous financial-economic relationships. It’s scary to think that the only thing which is preventing these diverse megalopolises from turning into an urban Mad Max on bath salts is the predominant belief that the dollar, and the rest of the IOU financial system, represents real value. Once that goes, all the kings horses and all the kings men won’t even be able to head off the generations of extreme enmity and brutality and barbarism. There will be no remnants of civilized society. Outside the megalopolises you will see bizarre sights, like swarms of Somalis tearing off wood siding on beautiful historic homes in west St. Paul so they can burn to keep from freezing. L.A. will look like scenes out of Stephen King’s The Stand, with pregnant Amerindians leaving their dying babies in the streets.

    It’s okay to bring in huge populations of third-world peoples into first-world societies, so long as you have lots of prosperity and lots of provisions to take care of them. Once the prosperity goes you don’t have reversion to their third world society, you have a very unnatural and much worse world. Think Brazilian prison. And if you’re a white

    [MORE]
    or an East Asian person, again think Brazilian prison. It will be primitive and brutal.

  52. @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    Well, I’d leave if I could afford to, but generally, that’s a pretty fair assessment. People who move here from colder climes talk constantly about how much better the weather is here and how they never want to move back up North. (And then they complain about everything else. “We don’t CARE how you did it up North!” is a popular bumper sticker on the pickup trucks of old-timey Floridians.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Good weather does not attract good people. As they say in Minot, "Forty below keeps the riff-raff out!"
  53. @PenskeFile
    I grew up and graduated high school in El Paso 30 years ago. I left town for college and have only been back once since then as my remaining family all moved away also. It's a classic low-wage town and heavily propped up by Fort Bliss (which is why we lived there).

    I was shocked to see it highest on the list though, because there can't be that many people leaving for technology jobs in Austin (where I now live) or D/FW. There just aren't that many college graduates coming out of UTEP.

    Remember, if you’re Hispanic, marginally intelligent and from El Paso, you have your pick of UT, A&M and Tech along with a large handful of lesser state schools. Those are your stepping stone to DFW, Austin, Houston and San Antonio.

  54. @Cagey Beast
    OT: The Daily Caller has taken on the hot new internet meme amongst the alt-right troll army and has reaped the whirlwind in their comments section. Too funny:
    What’s Behind The ‘Cuckservative’ Slur? (NSFW)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

    Fan-effing-tastic. And of course Matt Lewis had to author the pathetic article.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.
  55. @candid_observer
    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.

    It must be fewer people living in the same housing (in fact I'd guess there's only more housing than before, as neighborhoods get gentrified and there are, one expects, fewer houses that are abandoned (which was pretty common in the South Bronx, some time ago.)

    But it would be interesting to see just how this works, neighborhood by neighborhood and demographic by demographic.

    The article Steve linked to talks about the decline of the New York metro areas’s population. The metro area is the city with all of its suburbs – more than 20 million people. NYC proper has roughly 8.5 million people. Its population is definitely increasing.

    • Replies: @officious intermeddler
    The NYC metro area's population is growing, too. From 2010 to 2014, the three fastest growing metro areas (actual numbers added, rather than percentage increase) were Houston, Dallas and Houston, each of which added something over a half million people.
  56. @candid_observer
    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.

    It must be fewer people living in the same housing (in fact I'd guess there's only more housing than before, as neighborhoods get gentrified and there are, one expects, fewer houses that are abandoned (which was pretty common in the South Bronx, some time ago.)

    But it would be interesting to see just how this works, neighborhood by neighborhood and demographic by demographic.

    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.

    The population in NYC is not declining. The map shows how many people are moving out but not how many are moving in. In fact, NYC is the fastest growing city in the United States, by far, if you look at the numeric increase of population rather than the percentage increase.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    OK, I should have read this more carefully.
  57. @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy."

    But you are in the Minority. Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida. That is why Florida surpassed New York state as the 3rd most populous state in the country.
  58. @Ron Mexico
    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?
  59. This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.

    It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert — as illustrated by the fact that you refer to Dallas and Austin as “neighboring metro areas” of El Paso when they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert... they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    If El Paso/New Mexico were filled with Jews, Germans, WASPs, Nordics, Alpine Italians, Green Spanish, Icelanders, Huguenots etc. then these would be highly attractive destinations.

    New Mexico has outstanding geography. It could be a paradise. But instead it's covered with taciturn dead enders.
    , @AnotherDad
    "It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert ... "

    Huh? How about Phoenix? Denver? Salt Lake City is truly in the middle of nowhere so far from anywhere that water doesn't even leave ... it goes down to a salt flat and evaporates.

    El Paso has better weather than Phoenix--you give up 10 degrees in the winter and tolerate 60 degree days, but pick it back up in the summer with tolerable 90s temps, instead baking in an oven. Yet Phoenix is booming. (Denver and Salt Lake have worse weather--full continental climate--with genuine winter and still hot summers.)

    Middle of nowhere is plausibly why El Paso never burgeoned in the past. But it's not the issue today in these post-war days of AC and the service economy, when the Phoenix metro is approaching 5 million people.
  60. @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are leaving NYC.

    Indeed, there some “black flight” in some places like Harlem
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/nyregion/06harlem.html?_r=0
    http://www.wnyc.org/story/119959-census/ as well as Compton, South Central Los Angeles (Watts) and Chicago where they move to the suburbs or even other states.

    Some are worried about this and it could happen in Detroit as well, the fear of “Brooklynization” of MotorCity. http://voiceofdetroit.net/2014/06/16/are-we-passing-the-tipping-point-for-black-habitation-in-the-cities/
    http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=217992

    And let’s check what the folks of Zero Hedge think about this. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-22/americans-are-fleeing-these-us-cities-droves

  61. @officious intermeddler

    It would be interesting to know how the population manages to decline in NYC even as the housing skyrockets in price.
     
    The population in NYC is not declining. The map shows how many people are moving out but not how many are moving in. In fact, NYC is the fastest growing city in the United States, by far, if you look at the numeric increase of population rather than the percentage increase.

    OK, I should have read this more carefully.

  62. @Mr. Blank
    Well, I'd leave if I could afford to, but generally, that's a pretty fair assessment. People who move here from colder climes talk constantly about how much better the weather is here and how they never want to move back up North. (And then they complain about everything else. "We don't CARE how you did it up North!" is a popular bumper sticker on the pickup trucks of old-timey Floridians.)

    Good weather does not attract good people. As they say in Minot, “Forty below keeps the riff-raff out!”

  63. @Dr. Doom
    What a load of pablum. It really is amazing how psuedoscience and psychobabble are used to try to hide the obvious truth. The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate, the quality of life and school and of course that all-important "property value" which is duck-speak for blacks. More Whites = more people wanting to come and live, more blacks = more people trying to leave.
    Its not science, Johnny! Its the unspoken Truth.

    The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate…

    In both directions. I thought Honolulu was quite safe when I was a kid. I rode the bus alone to fourth grade. The city bus. I was often the only white on board.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Were you on the DL with Barry in Honolulu?
  64. @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    Florida attracts the kind of people I hope will stay there. It’s a great holding cell.

  65. @Ron Mexico
    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?

    Where is the Black Lives Matter crowd on this one?

    Rev Jackson is busy with the love child he didn’t abort.

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Born and raised in Rochester, NY, 12th on the list. Probably a lot of the drain had to do with the demise of Kodak and Xerox, etc. The world moved forward and the town didn’t.

    But here I am still wondering why I stay. The house is all paid for: two story Cape, dead end street on a 2 acre lot backed onto woods with parks in walking distance. Tree lined streets, great schools, non-existent crime. This used to be THE place to live for Kodak hotshots. And it’s affordable too, my place is assessed at 142K. The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It’s like toting a mortgage.

    Which leads me to wonder what am I paying for? I have to admit that the snow plowing is exemplary, which is a critical life component if you live downwind of Buffalo. Other than that I can’t help but believe that I’m being cheated. Every parasite needs a host and I’m not happy with my role.

    So I’m looking to get out. My criteria are simple. First I seek a state which allows constitutional carry. Not that I feel the need to go armed, but that serves as a proxy for whether a locality respects fundamental rights or not. Second, I look at the percentage of white births. Isteve readers will understand.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we’ll see.

    Federalism is a wonderful concept. I hope it lasts at least as long as the rest of my lifespan. As for the rest of you young fellas, I offer my sympathies.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Come to Nevada. I live in Vegas. No state income tax. I pay a little less than 2K property and homeowner dues combined on a house built in 2006. Don't need a license to carry here, only for conceal. Apart from June, July, August the weather is ideal. But, we may run out of water.
    , @JSM
    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    I'm in Wyoming. Please come. The air is clean and you should consider everyone armed.

    Please come, also, because the %$^#!! RINO Matt Mead wants to make WY, the last holdout against Somali invasion, a refugee resettlement. We need more sensible White voters in this state, because the leftists have shown time and again, as soon as the White pop drops under 90%, the anti-White crap gets rolling in earnest. https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/tag/wyoming/
    , @WhatEvvs
    You're paying to live in a place with no crime, and great services. That is priceless.

    I have lived in many places. I love the American West. But the water problem is real - CA is only the beginning. And someone from your background might find the place as much of a culture shock as moving to Mexico.

    As for your cultural problems with Vermont, well, you cannot have everything, can you? It's an exquisite state. Ignore the idiots. They are everywhere. I've noticed that the nicest states/localities in the US are run by white fools who don't know how good they have it. It just comes with the territory.
    , @Forbes

    The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It’s like toting a mortgage.
     
    My older brother, in a similar situation Upstate remarked several years ago that you never own your own home, you're in a partnership with the state (due to property taxes that have the appearance of a balloon mortgage with 5%+ interest rate).

    Property taxes are killing Upstate NY, and it's a death spiral. Medicaid and other social welfare spending accounts for more than half of local (county) budgets (funding is split between the state and the county), and keeps rising. Most states fund them at the general revenue-state level. NYC-level healthcare reimbursement rates are spread across the state, where NYC income levels do not exist.

    Americans fleeing? Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse (combined) lost ~460K between 1960 and 2010, or 42% of their population. Obviously, some moved to the suburbs, as the respective surrounding counties are somewhat larger than 1960. Hardly a sign or vibrancy--or is it? ;-)
  67. @Dave Pinsen
    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but it also has high-end housing and a financial district that's sort of Wall Street west. For example, the largest building in NJ (at least, the largest before the big new residential skyscraper in Fort Lee) is the Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City.

    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but…

    Jersey City challenges St Paul for the title of most Asian city east of California. However, Jersey’s Asians are subcontinental rather than Indochinese. Literal, rather than littoral, Asians.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    NJ has plenty of East Asians but most of them are north of Jersey City. Take US 1&9 north from there and you'll start to see signs in Korean after you cross the Bergen county line.
  68. @Dr. Doom
    What a load of pablum. It really is amazing how psuedoscience and psychobabble are used to try to hide the obvious truth. The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate, the quality of life and school and of course that all-important "property value" which is duck-speak for blacks. More Whites = more people wanting to come and live, more blacks = more people trying to leave.
    Its not science, Johnny! Its the unspoken Truth.

    This is true, but does not explain New York and Philadelphia (why are people leaving NYC but not Philadelphia since Philly is more black)

    New York City has always had significant less Blacks than Philly , yet Philadelphia did not make the list of top 20 metro areas where residents are leaving. I suppose all the white who wanted out left in between 1950-2000

    Philadelphia was 40% Black in 1990, and today is 44% Black. while the white Population fell from 52% to 38% but they were replaced by hispanics and Asians.

    In Philadelphia, the hispanics have historically been Puerto Ricans and even today 70% of the hispanics in Philly are Puerto Rican.

    since 1990 231,000 whites fled Philly, but they were replaced by 190,000 Hispanics and Asians. The black Population only grew by 20,000 people since 1990, while the population of Philadelphia has remained at 1.5 million. Over the last 5 years the population actually grew slightly with an additional 10,000 white people moving back to Philly.

    surprising to me to see some Philly neighborhoods gentrify over the last decade. I never would have believed it possible, to see whites living in Fairmount North. You could buy homes there for under 25,000 in 1990, today they sell for $500,000 across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary, as the whites moved into this ghetto. While the blacks have now taken over Northeast Philly, which went from 92% white to just 50% white in 20 years. Truly amazing to witness

  69. What’s the definition of “local people”?

    The figure given for NYC-MA is -.82%. If NYC-MA is 10 million, .0082 is 82,000. Heck, that could simply be corporate transfers. Replaced by local hires or transfers-in who aren’t counted as locals.

    • Replies: @FWIW
    I was thinking the same thing.

    If a change is a fraction of a percent, it rounds to zero.

    In fact, I would be shocked it the actual numbers of ANYTHING in 20 US cities changed less than 1%.

    Or I am missing something.
  70. @Ex Machina
    Fan-effing-tastic. And of course Matt Lewis had to author the pathetic article.

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain’s secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    • Replies: @anon
    “cuckservative” is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests - nothing else - just bought.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16."

    I share in, and vigorously applaud, these noble sentiments. I intend to use the word cuckservative at least once per day...for the rest of my life? Hopefully, it won't quite come to that.
    , @Sheila
    Preach.
    , @AnotherDad

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16...
     
    Awesome. I'm with you.

    I don't think i've ever encountered a new word before that so perfectly captures a behavior and the reaction, the feeling it evokes--the whole idea in one word.

    Cry it from the rooftops -- cuckservative!

    Should get Trump to say it, though he's really not the ideal champion for the anti-cuck cause.
    , @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    This is quite possibly one of the best comments I've ever read.

    I'm bookmarking this.
  71. @Glossy
    The article Steve linked to talks about the decline of the New York metro areas's population. The metro area is the city with all of its suburbs - more than 20 million people. NYC proper has roughly 8.5 million people. Its population is definitely increasing.

    The NYC metro area’s population is growing, too. From 2010 to 2014, the three fastest growing metro areas (actual numbers added, rather than percentage increase) were Houston, Dallas and Houston, each of which added something over a half million people.

    • Replies: @officious intermeddler
    Houston, Dallas and New York, that is
    , @Glossy
    You're right and I was wrong. The map shows outflows of local people to other parts of the country, not declines in the overall population of the metro areas. Both the NY metro area and NYC are growing.
  72. @Mike P.
    Connecticut's problems are very interesting (it is my home state). Connecticut only adopted a personal income tax in 1992; from 1992-2010, it had Republican governors who could (in theory) check the Democratic legislature. After the Democrats took control of the governorship in 2011, they enacted the largest tax increase in the state's history (the second largest was this year).

    This seems to have changed the state from the tax haven among other high-tax states to the state people are fleeing. It also appears to have accelerated the usual pattern of migration to Florida for old Greenwich banker types.

    Connecticut is really getting left behind. Basically the whole state is included on that map. I’ve heard there’s some Connecticut to new Hampshire migration, like I’m sure there is further south and west. Seems like one place where democrat policies have had very negative consequences.

    • Replies: @Sleep
    Here in Portland Maine there are a *lot* of Connecticut license plates around, for sure more than Massachusetts or any other state. Ive never specifically asked these people why they moved, but at least one of them told me he wanted to live in a safer area.
  73. So a “58-year-old white male” shot up a screening of “Trainwreck” in Lafayette, La. — have we resolved once and for all whether that movie is Conservative (Judd Apatow school) or Feminist (Carrie Bradshaw faction)? Because the answer is going to be crucial for cable TV producers and their booking staff imminently

    • Replies: @RobertS
    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=311

    Mark Ames’s Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond.



    Topics discussed include:

    How slaves in the antebellum South were conditioned to accept slavery and how it relates to corporate America.
    How Ronald Reagan restructured the economic system
    Why Reagaonomics provocked spree shootings
    Why the Right-wing is wrong when it misinterprets political correctness for egalitarianism and how America today is the most inegalitarian in its history
    Why whites are overrepresneted among spree shooters.
    How managerialism combines the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism
    The connection between standardized tests and school shootings
    How the value of the college degree collapsed.
    How bullying in schools is institutionalized and how prevention of retribution against bullying contributes to spree shootings
    How sexual frustration contributes to spree shootings but the manosphere is wrong about its the primary reason
    How feminism and mass immigration suppress wages and how Ames ignores those issues and complains about scapegoating of immigrants.
    How the Alternative Right has failed to adress the economic issue
    Andy Nowicki’s The Columbine Pilgrim
    Why suffering seldom ennobles people but instead makes them into monsters
    The aim of workplace shootings is to destroy the system that oppresses the shooter
    The aim of school shootings is to destroy a system of oppression, most often bullies
  74. @officious intermeddler
    The NYC metro area's population is growing, too. From 2010 to 2014, the three fastest growing metro areas (actual numbers added, rather than percentage increase) were Houston, Dallas and Houston, each of which added something over a half million people.

    Houston, Dallas and New York, that is

  75. @officious intermeddler
    The NYC metro area's population is growing, too. From 2010 to 2014, the three fastest growing metro areas (actual numbers added, rather than percentage increase) were Houston, Dallas and Houston, each of which added something over a half million people.

    You’re right and I was wrong. The map shows outflows of local people to other parts of the country, not declines in the overall population of the metro areas. Both the NY metro area and NYC are growing.

  76. @Reg Cæsar

    The percentage of Whites determines the crime rate…
     
    In both directions. I thought Honolulu was quite safe when I was a kid. I rode the bus alone to fourth grade. The city bus. I was often the only white on board.

    Were you on the DL with Barry in Honolulu?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    Were you on the DL with Barry in Honolulu?

     

    We decamped for the mainland just before they left for the archipelago. They were in the nice part of the city, we in a luxury apartment plopped down in the middle of a slum. (Protogentrification.) That was unpopular with our classmates, but at least we weren't bullied for it.
  77. @Anon
    http://972mag.com/for-the-first-time-in-history-jews-can-take-part-in-war-from-home/109087/?utm

    "Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news."

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an 'antisemitic conspiracy nut'.

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.

    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto."

    Palestinians are definitely one of the most violent Muslim ethnic groups out there. I definitely would not want to live in a neighborhood full of them. Palestinians behave live Chechens on steroids.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.
     
    Americans just got to Pluto, and already you're trying to force third world immigration on it. Stop the madness!

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com
    , @Justpassingby

    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.
     
    Agreed. The Israelis can't just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.
  78. @Cagey Beast
    OT: The Daily Caller has taken on the hot new internet meme amongst the alt-right troll army and has reaped the whirlwind in their comments section. Too funny:
    What’s Behind The ‘Cuckservative’ Slur? (NSFW)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

    They’re to be commended for leaving the comments up – similar articles that got similar treatment didn’t like it and took comments down.

  79. @Justpassingby
    What's the definition of "local people"?

    The figure given for NYC-MA is -.82%. If NYC-MA is 10 million, .0082 is 82,000. Heck, that could simply be corporate transfers. Replaced by local hires or transfers-in who aren't counted as locals.

    I was thinking the same thing.

    If a change is a fraction of a percent, it rounds to zero.

    In fact, I would be shocked it the actual numbers of ANYTHING in 20 US cities changed less than 1%.

    Or I am missing something.

  80. @Anonymous

    They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls “creative housing arrangements” in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home.
     
    I can see a world where many of today's suburban McMansions will become boarding houses for groups of cash-poor single retirees in order to capture the economic benefits of shared living.

    Can you say “massive health hazard”? Those homes aren’t designed for that many people keeping the facilities in daily use. It might well happen, but it would lead to a revival of delights such as cholera.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Can you say “massive health hazard”? Those homes aren’t designed for that many people keeping the facilities in daily use.
     
    Those "nutty laws on the books" books always cite NYC's ordinance against sleeping in the bathtub. What they usually neglect to mention is that it was enacted because people were actually sleeping in bathtubs. All the other space was taken.
  81. @Johann Ricke

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.
     
    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don't kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    “Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.”

    Palestinians are definitely one of the most violent Muslim ethnic groups out there. I definitely would not want to live in a neighborhood full of them. Palestinians behave live Chechens on steroids.

  82. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Repeating comment made on previous thread but Stoll’s analysis is the wrong way round.

    The illegal immigration comes first and they are willing to work for lower wages and live eight to a room because they are sending their money home.

    This takes away the jobs and housing and this is what drives the native population out (along with the increase the local crime which comes with some immigrant populations – though not all).

    It’s economic warfare and if the media told the truth for just one day it would be obvious.

    • Replies: @Aaron J
    The trick seems to be that immigrant asians, many coming from communities that make black communities look the same in comparison as far as the depressing atmosphere that poverty generates, buy businesses and properties from defeated whites that would otherwise be abandoned. When under financial pressure, these asians look to their families to mount a collection to pay their mortgage or whatever to keep going, when white business owners would, again, just give up.

    This allows black neighborhoods to appear somewhat functional, instead of a barren moonscape. If not for immigrants, blacks in general would lot a hell of a lot worse. Everywhere section 8 housing hit would look like a locust storm had hit.

    Another question would be, why don't asians like to live in Detroit? A black city without slave-minded immigrants to deal with black people, cannot function.
  83. @Harry Baldwin
    I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that "As a proud Italian-American" sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American."

    “I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that “As a proud Italian-American” sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American.””

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.
     
    That doesn't seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know.
  84. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    “cuckservative” is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests – nothing else – just bought.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "'cuckservative' is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests – nothing else – just bought."

    Thank you for casting your pearls of wisdom, before us lowly swine. How much does a subscription to Mother Jones run a fellow, these days?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The reason that they're cuckservatives is because they'll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal "power."

    Cuckservative is the correct term.

    Everybody here needs to start using this term constantly.
  85. @midtown
    I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don't miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy.

    “I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy.”

    But you are in the Minority. Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida. That is why Florida surpassed New York state as the 3rd most populous state in the country.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida.
     
    That's because people move to Florida to retire and die, professor.

    There are better places with more sunshine, less humidity, and fewer hicks and even fewer, ahem, New Yorkers.
  86. @Anonymous
    Were you on the DL with Barry in Honolulu?

    Were you on the DL with Barry in Honolulu?

    We decamped for the mainland just before they left for the archipelago. They were in the nice part of the city, we in a luxury apartment plopped down in the middle of a slum. (Protogentrification.) That was unpopular with our classmates, but at least we weren’t bullied for it.

  87. @The Practical Conservative
    Can you say "massive health hazard"? Those homes aren't designed for that many people keeping the facilities in daily use. It might well happen, but it would lead to a revival of delights such as cholera.

    Can you say “massive health hazard”? Those homes aren’t designed for that many people keeping the facilities in daily use.

    Those “nutty laws on the books” books always cite NYC’s ordinance against sleeping in the bathtub. What they usually neglect to mention is that it was enacted because people were actually sleeping in bathtubs. All the other space was taken.

  88. @iSteveFan

    This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.
     
    With the low crime rate of El Paso, pointed out here before, you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to. You would also think the feds might even use Section 8 vouchers to pull poor blacks out of bad zip codes and send them to El Paso and increase its diversity. But apparently that is not happening.

    “…you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to.

    Lived in El Paso for a year. It’s a very ugly town.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Lived in El Paso for a year. It’s a very ugly town.

     

    Big Joe Williams has another take.
  89. @Johann Ricke

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.
     
    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don't kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    Americans just got to Pluto, and already you’re trying to force third world immigration on it. Stop the madness!

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com

  90. We don’t have to ditch the cities , just grow some balls :

  91. @Jason Sylvester
    El Paso's been going steadily downhill since the Faleena Incident:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-y3DB0wLh4

    Every time I hear that song, I think of this:

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2013/05/may-the-cinco-be-with-you.html

    Hilarious.

  92. @Jefferson
    "I moved out of Florida 20 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Way too hot and swampy."

    But you are in the Minority. Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida. That is why Florida surpassed New York state as the 3rd most populous state in the country.

    Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida.

    That’s because people move to Florida to retire and die, professor.

    There are better places with more sunshine, less humidity, and fewer hicks and even fewer, ahem, New Yorkers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Like where? In terms of beach areas? Florida has warm water though. California beaches don't.
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    I'll take "hicks" over New Yorkers any day.
  93. @shrinker
    So a "58-year-old white male" shot up a screening of "Trainwreck" in Lafayette, La. -- have we resolved once and for all whether that movie is Conservative (Judd Apatow school) or Feminist (Carrie Bradshaw faction)? Because the answer is going to be crucial for cable TV producers and their booking staff imminently

    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=311

    Mark Ames’s Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond.

    Topics discussed include:

    How slaves in the antebellum South were conditioned to accept slavery and how it relates to corporate America.
    How Ronald Reagan restructured the economic system
    Why Reagaonomics provocked spree shootings
    Why the Right-wing is wrong when it misinterprets political correctness for egalitarianism and how America today is the most inegalitarian in its history
    Why whites are overrepresneted among spree shooters.
    How managerialism combines the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism
    The connection between standardized tests and school shootings
    How the value of the college degree collapsed.
    How bullying in schools is institutionalized and how prevention of retribution against bullying contributes to spree shootings
    How sexual frustration contributes to spree shootings but the manosphere is wrong about its the primary reason
    How feminism and mass immigration suppress wages and how Ames ignores those issues and complains about scapegoating of immigrants.
    How the Alternative Right has failed to adress the economic issue
    Andy Nowicki’s The Columbine Pilgrim
    Why suffering seldom ennobles people but instead makes them into monsters
    The aim of workplace shootings is to destroy the system that oppresses the shooter
    The aim of school shootings is to destroy a system of oppression, most often bullies

  94. @Anonymous
    Born and raised in Rochester, NY, 12th on the list. Probably a lot of the drain had to do with the demise of Kodak and Xerox, etc. The world moved forward and the town didn't.

    But here I am still wondering why I stay. The house is all paid for: two story Cape, dead end street on a 2 acre lot backed onto woods with parks in walking distance. Tree lined streets, great schools, non-existent crime. This used to be THE place to live for Kodak hotshots. And it's affordable too, my place is assessed at 142K. The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It's like toting a mortgage.

    Which leads me to wonder what am I paying for? I have to admit that the snow plowing is exemplary, which is a critical life component if you live downwind of Buffalo. Other than that I can't help but believe that I'm being cheated. Every parasite needs a host and I'm not happy with my role.

    So I'm looking to get out. My criteria are simple. First I seek a state which allows constitutional carry. Not that I feel the need to go armed, but that serves as a proxy for whether a locality respects fundamental rights or not. Second, I look at the percentage of white births. Isteve readers will understand.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    Federalism is a wonderful concept. I hope it lasts at least as long as the rest of my lifespan. As for the rest of you young fellas, I offer my sympathies.

    Come to Nevada. I live in Vegas. No state income tax. I pay a little less than 2K property and homeowner dues combined on a house built in 2006. Don’t need a license to carry here, only for conceal. Apart from June, July, August the weather is ideal. But, we may run out of water.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @officious intermeddler

    This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.
     
    It's not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They're both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert -- as illustrated by the fact that you refer to Dallas and Austin as "neighboring metro areas" of El Paso when they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert… they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    If El Paso/New Mexico were filled with Jews, Germans, WASPs, Nordics, Alpine Italians, Green Spanish, Icelanders, Huguenots etc. then these would be highly attractive destinations.

    New Mexico has outstanding geography. It could be a paradise. But instead it’s covered with taciturn dead enders.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    On Breaking Bad, Walter White goes to the best oncologist in New Mexico, who, it turns out, is African American. Perhaps because of a paucity of Jews there.
    , @Mr. Anon
    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.
  96. And some of Connecticut’s problems are due to Puerto Rican areas stop attracting Puerto Ricans..
    Steve, did you mean that the way it’s written? If the PR areas stop attracting PRs is that a problem?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Connecticut's problem is the same as that of Springfield, MA, located over the border on Route 91, or as local wags call it, the San Juan Highway. Springfield and our other Hispanic shyteholes, Chelsea and Lawrence, all have higher rates of violent crime than Boston.

    Kinda gives lie to our host's theories on Hispanic criminality.
  97. @jamie
    "...you would think it would be an attractive place for people to go to.

    Lived in El Paso for a year. It's a very ugly town.

    Lived in El Paso for a year. It’s a very ugly town.

    Big Joe Williams has another take.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk

    Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida.
     
    That's because people move to Florida to retire and die, professor.

    There are better places with more sunshine, less humidity, and fewer hicks and even fewer, ahem, New Yorkers.

    Like where? In terms of beach areas? Florida has warm water though. California beaches don’t.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    In terms of beach areas?
     
    Who said anything about beaches? Try mountains for blue skies and white people. Lots of crap washes up on coastlines, especially on warm coastlines -- or haven't you noticed?
    , @midtown
    I would say the mid-Atlantic (NC up to Maryland/lower PA) is one of the best spots in the country. If you want beaches, the Outer Banks and up through Delaware are good. You also have mountains not far away, and everything is green, unlike more arid parts of the country. But in my view, at least, the climate is superb. The humidity is nothing like the Gulf Coast. Spring and fall are perfect, and you get a taste of summer and a taste of winter. Taxes are locality-dependent, and I admit Florida has a good tax environment for residents, but for my house, which is a 100-year-old historic home of 3500 sf, taxes are less than $2000/yr.
  99. @Reg Cæsar

    Jersey City and Newark are different animals. Jersey City has a NAM population, but…
     
    Jersey City challenges St Paul for the title of most Asian city east of California. However, Jersey's Asians are subcontinental rather than Indochinese. Literal, rather than littoral, Asians.

    NJ has plenty of East Asians but most of them are north of Jersey City. Take US 1&9 north from there and you’ll start to see signs in Korean after you cross the Bergen county line.

  100. @Anonymous
    They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert... they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    If El Paso/New Mexico were filled with Jews, Germans, WASPs, Nordics, Alpine Italians, Green Spanish, Icelanders, Huguenots etc. then these would be highly attractive destinations.

    New Mexico has outstanding geography. It could be a paradise. But instead it's covered with taciturn dead enders.

    On Breaking Bad, Walter White goes to the best oncologist in New Mexico, who, it turns out, is African American. Perhaps because of a paucity of Jews there.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, that was a bit of a stretch.
    , @SFG
    Or Indians, or Asians.
  101. @Anonymous
    Like where? In terms of beach areas? Florida has warm water though. California beaches don't.

    In terms of beach areas?

    Who said anything about beaches? Try mountains for blue skies and white people. Lots of crap washes up on coastlines, especially on warm coastlines — or haven’t you noticed?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know, but a lot of people move to Florida for the warm winter weather and the beaches there, which can be enjoyed in the winter as well. Mountains are nice, but can be cold in the winter.
  102. The same immigrant advantage holds true for pay as for housing. A tech company in San Jose offers two potential employees a job with a $60k/year salary. One is an American living in Waukegan, the other is a would-be H1b living in India. The job offers are theoretically the same, but realistically they are not.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    A New Jersey-based acquaintance told me that her HR job (IBM) is entirely importing Indians for computing and Africans (yes) for project manager work. I nearly threw up. She's 100% Coulter type WASP.

    I always knew about this but having it thrown in your face is another thing entirely. I had to compose myself.
  103. JSM says:
    @Anonymous
    Born and raised in Rochester, NY, 12th on the list. Probably a lot of the drain had to do with the demise of Kodak and Xerox, etc. The world moved forward and the town didn't.

    But here I am still wondering why I stay. The house is all paid for: two story Cape, dead end street on a 2 acre lot backed onto woods with parks in walking distance. Tree lined streets, great schools, non-existent crime. This used to be THE place to live for Kodak hotshots. And it's affordable too, my place is assessed at 142K. The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It's like toting a mortgage.

    Which leads me to wonder what am I paying for? I have to admit that the snow plowing is exemplary, which is a critical life component if you live downwind of Buffalo. Other than that I can't help but believe that I'm being cheated. Every parasite needs a host and I'm not happy with my role.

    So I'm looking to get out. My criteria are simple. First I seek a state which allows constitutional carry. Not that I feel the need to go armed, but that serves as a proxy for whether a locality respects fundamental rights or not. Second, I look at the percentage of white births. Isteve readers will understand.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    Federalism is a wonderful concept. I hope it lasts at least as long as the rest of my lifespan. As for the rest of you young fellas, I offer my sympathies.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we’ll see.

    I’m in Wyoming. Please come. The air is clean and you should consider everyone armed.

    Please come, also, because the %$^#!! RINO Matt Mead wants to make WY, the last holdout against Somali invasion, a refugee resettlement. We need more sensible White voters in this state, because the leftists have shown time and again, as soon as the White pop drops under 90%, the anti-White crap gets rolling in earnest. https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/tag/wyoming/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Isn't the Yellowstone supervolcano right under Wyoming?
  104. A lot of these policies have helped break up solidarity amongst citizens. I’m not really referring to “worker solidarity”. More along the lines of most people having a basic shared idea of how our society should function. Perhaps even as big a factor as immigration in breaking up citizen solidarity is the increase in childlessness, especially in large urban centers such as NYC and the San Francisco. In short, over the long term, it becomes really difficult for people with families to compete with co-workers without children who can work longer hours, are more transient, don’t have as many attachments, etc. Joel Kotkin has written about this. It’s apparently much worse in East Asian than it is here.

    Perhaps this explains some of the shift as well? It just seems less cut-throat down in Nashville or Charleston compared to other cities. Maybe families have decided it’s just easier down there.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    A lot of these policies have helped break up solidarity amongst citizens. I’m not really referring to “worker solidarity”. More along the lines of most people having a basic shared idea of how our society should function. Perhaps even as big a factor as immigration in breaking up citizen solidarity is the increase in childlessness, especially in large urban centers such as NYC and the San Francisco.
     
    I don't think this compares with the solidarity damage from immigration, but still an excellent point, Jersey Guy.

    Steve has hit this point from another approach in his affordable family formation pieces. I remember one contrasting two sisters, one who moves to California and has a "career" and the other in Dallas with three kids. Not just their behavior but their whole world views change, down to things like the wisdom of gay scoutmasters.

    It's not just transience and working hours, having kids ties you to the community *and* makes you care about the culture, tradition and the long term future of your nation. People who forego kids are a random careless element in a society--ironically ... sorta like kids.
  105. @Anon
    http://972mag.com/for-the-first-time-in-history-jews-can-take-part-in-war-from-home/109087/?utm

    "Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news."

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an 'antisemitic conspiracy nut'.

    Not really. I’m pretty sure everyone expects Israel, like every other country, to try and manipulate their image abroad.

    You become a conspiracy nut when you make it the axiom of your beliefs.

  106. @Dave Pinsen
    On Breaking Bad, Walter White goes to the best oncologist in New Mexico, who, it turns out, is African American. Perhaps because of a paucity of Jews there.

    Yes, that was a bit of a stretch.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    A stretch? Like a public school teacher without an adequate healthcare plan? Talk about suspending disbelief...
  107. @Anonymous
    Like where? In terms of beach areas? Florida has warm water though. California beaches don't.

    I would say the mid-Atlantic (NC up to Maryland/lower PA) is one of the best spots in the country. If you want beaches, the Outer Banks and up through Delaware are good. You also have mountains not far away, and everything is green, unlike more arid parts of the country. But in my view, at least, the climate is superb. The humidity is nothing like the Gulf Coast. Spring and fall are perfect, and you get a taste of summer and a taste of winter. Taxes are locality-dependent, and I admit Florida has a good tax environment for residents, but for my house, which is a 100-year-old historic home of 3500 sf, taxes are less than $2000/yr.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I definitely agree that the Mid-Atlantic has among the best beaches in the country. I've vacationed at all the major beaches along the Mid-Atlantic states from the Outer Banks up to the Jersey Shore, and they're great. The beaches are nice and the water is warm. The Outer Banks is especially fantastic. Also, as you note, other environments, whether mountains or major cities, are easily accessible by car, whereas in Florida you're quite removed from them.

    I suppose though that a lot of people move to Florida for its warm winter weather.
  108. “And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls ‘creative housing arrangements’ in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It’s an arrangement that most Americans just aren’t willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it’s not for them as time goes by, he said.”

    These are not “creative housing arrangements.” They are poverty. They’re also illegal, as they violate zoning regulations. But when have the current wave of “immigrants” ever respected our laws or our communities?

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Progs know how to put a bow on anything i.e. "creative housing arrangements". Or how AirBNB and Uber that would have been called boarding or portering only a few decades ago. My fave downscaling that isn't downscaling: "interning".
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Plutonium Kid, Creative living also leads to tragedies. A year ago a blaze swept through row houses in Philadelphia, killing four very young children. The blaze was possibly started by children playing with fireworks. The houses (and neighborhood) were home to large "families" of West African immigrants. There were complaints that the firefighters did not do enough to save the buildings and the victims, but the official time line shows that the fire responders were on scene in one minute (first call at 241 am), as the fire house was basically around the corner. Within 6 minutes a second alarm was called in and three trucks were on site and working. The first firefighters actually went door to door to clear residents from adjacent row houses. The fire commissioner defended the response and said that the firefighters were "heroes", not "superheroes." The community said there were no fire fighters for 30 minutes. The immigrant community showed their love by protesting for days and actually blocking fire engines from leaving the neighborhood fire house. A another fire in the same area with deaths and massive property loss occurred, I think, in 2008, sparked by cooking in a bedroom. I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.
  109. @Buzz Mohawk

    Way more people move to Florida than leave Florida.
     
    That's because people move to Florida to retire and die, professor.

    There are better places with more sunshine, less humidity, and fewer hicks and even fewer, ahem, New Yorkers.

    I’ll take “hicks” over New Yorkers any day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Florida hicks, though? Florida hicks aren't really the salt of the earth types like the hicks elsewhere.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    I’ll take “hicks” over New Yorkers any day.

     

    Plenty of New Yorkers are hicks. Cf Millard Fillmore, Jennie Jerome Churchill, Cassius Marcellus Coolidge, Gabby Hayes, Grandma Moses, Lucille Ball, John Gardner, Johnny Hart, Jerry Jeff Walker, Natalie Merchant… and who can ever forget the colorful Joyce Mitchell, 2015's Hick of the Year?

    Bill Kauffman has made a career out of writing about New York hicks.
  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What about Minneapolis/ St. Paul and Nashville? Nashville is sickeningly diverse, probably more diverse than Memphis. I know Nashville has grown. I used to live there. My son rents my old house there. He tells me Nashville is booming with new construction. As for Minneapolis, I’ve read about the african invasion. Is it’s population declining?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    As for Minneapolis, I’ve read about the african invasion. Is it’s population declining?
     
    No. The city proper stabilized decades ago, at about 80% of its 1950 peak. Fewer people, more households.

    The Africans are mostly self-segregating. As I've noted before here, the really scary Africans didn't come here from Addis Ababa, Asmara, or Mogadishu, but from Chicago, Detroit and St Louis.
  111. @JerseyGuy
    Re NYC, it's an incredibly transient place. I work half of the time in our NYC office with co-workers originally from both the NYC metro area and from out of state (e.g. graduates from North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado, etc.). Although some of them stay long term, most actually head back to their home states after a few years.

    Also, the over-crowding phenomenon is very apparent in places like Queens and the non-trendy parts of Brooklyn. The quality of life is quite poor in these neighborhoods. If you ever read the blog "Queens Crap", you'll get an idea of the over-development in these places. And it's getting worse because these cities don't have the money to expand the infrastructure, including NYC.

    Also, this article just highlights the utter stupidity of the Republican Party. You would think they would realize that Americans in general are moving to Red States, especially to start families during their peak earnings years. Instead, they promote policies that actually inflates the population of Blue States with poorer potential voters. Utter insanity!

    If you ever read the blog “Queens Crap”, you’ll get an idea of the over-development in these places.

    Great blog to get a good take on the degradation of New York City. The Asian invasion of Queens. Their commie mayor DeBlasio. Cynical and sarcastic about all the corrupt and bribed hacks. Pols (99% Democrats) are indicted all the time for lining their pockets. Minority hacks often indicted too.

  112. @Dave Pinsen
    On Breaking Bad, Walter White goes to the best oncologist in New Mexico, who, it turns out, is African American. Perhaps because of a paucity of Jews there.

    Or Indians, or Asians.

  113. Are they keeping track of where those black bodies are moving to?

  114. @Jefferson
    "I guess the former Warren Wilhelm Jr decided that “As a proud Italian-American” sounds better than “As a proud German/Italian-American.”"

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.

    That doesn’t seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know.

    • Replies: @Anon
    It's the law of "boastable" ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to "select an ethnicity".

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.
    , @Jefferson
    "That doesn’t seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know."

    Most Italian-Irish mixes identify more with their Italian side. The half Irish Henry Hill for example never wanted to join the Irish mob, he always wanted to be a member of La Cosa Nostra.

    The half Irish John Travolta became famous in the 1970s for playing characters with Italian last names like Manero and Barbarino. He did not become famous for playing characters with Irish last name likes O'Malley or MacAteer.

    When the subject of America is a nation of immigrants comes up, Chris Christie talks way more about his Italian ancestry than he does his Irish ancestry. The last time he was on Fox's "The Five" he talked about his Italian grandfather coming to America on a boat, but no mention of his Irish ancestors.
  115. OT – Economist on Trump. They think he’s in it for the money – after all, what possible other motive could a man have?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/politics-and-deal-making

    “You’d have to be astoundingly brazen to run for president, churning up toxic xenophobic sentiments, just to get the political leverage to win a huge tax break, or to build a casino or to stop somebody else’s casino. But Mr Trump is neither a meek nor public-spirited man. And, astonishingly enough, he may have actually succeeded in putting the Republican Party in a corner.

    If cutting a sweet deal is what Mr Trump was aiming to do all along, we might have to admit that he is more than the attention-seeking buffoon he appears to be. It may be that he is a attention-seeking, buffoonish genius. In any case, Mr Trump has floated the possibility that he may try to wreck the Republican Party’s presidential chances unless it coughs up a little “fair” treatment, whatever that means. If the GOP doesn’t think it can neutralise Mr Trump’s threat of a third-party run by utterly demolishing his reputation, then they’re going to have to consider a little fairness. Not a bad month’s work for Mr Trump.”

    • Replies: @5371
    People who are indifferent to money don't get to be billionaires.
  116. If I wasn’t so aware of the disconnect between the US and British political class and long-settled Americans and native Britons, I would be shocked by one glaring omission( deliberate perhaps) from Conservative (?) Minister Willet’s analysis that Steve Sailer quotes.
    “Social Security Benefits” , not the benefits of under-occupation are a massive factor in driving housing costs sky high, whether renting or buying.
    Immigrants, especially if they are those have claimed asylum ( many faked their circumstances) actually get significantly more points in being graded for social housing, and are entitled to a massive raft of other benefits that would amaze Americans.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7883944/Former-asylum-seeker-on-benefits-given-2-million-house.html

    Such abuses are legion, but only recently are they being reported, because of the MSM’s on-message support for mass immigration.

  117. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Let's not take the claim that El Paso is an unusually safe city at face value. As Ann Coulter wrote in her column of 7/15/15:

    Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso "is among the safest big cities in America."

    In fact, however, El Paso's "safe city" ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI's more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average.
     

    On all of her TV appearances Coulter stresses – with passion – how difficult it is to get accurate data about immigration and crime. At first I was skeptical. She’s an accomplished actress by now, but her manner – on this subject – strikes me as sincere. I really do think she’s upset by this.

    I’ve always been very up and down on her (good on some things, crazy on others) but she is hitting it out of the park on this. My local library has all her books, I’ll give them that.

    Adios America stats:

    ebook: 22 holds on 9 copies
    hardcover: 30 holds on 22 copies

  118. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.
     
    That doesn't seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know.

    It’s the law of “boastable” ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to “select an ethnicity”.

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    It’s the law of “boastable” ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to “select an ethnicity”.

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.
     
    Of course, I'm the exception that proves the rule.I get a kick out of being the Evil Anglo, the Satanic WASP, etc
    , @Kylie

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.
     
    I'm out of step, as usual. I'm 1/4 English, 1/4 German, 1/4 Serb and 1/4 Croat (the latter two from Vienna). I identify as Austrian and German.

    I don't boast about it but I love knowing my grandparents grew up within a few miles of where Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert lived. And to a lesser extent, Steiner and Riesenfeld.
    , @Romanian
    http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/txtspeeches/672.pdf

    Theodore Roosevelt had the right idea:

    "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else".

    President Woodrow Wilson regarded "hyphenated Americans" with suspicion, saying, "Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready.

    This should be required reading in high school!

    Man, sometimes I think I'm actually Americanizing at a distance :))) I've never even been West of Paris, but I remember Dalrymple's quip that Anglophiles who visit England are cured of their affection.
  119. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are leaving NYC.

    And being replaced just as quickly by African-Africans. There are now large W. African communities in Harlem and central Brooklyn. It will be interesting to see whether they assimilate into the white culture, or black. They hate AAs, but the odds are that their children will become AAs.

  120. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Born and raised in Rochester, NY, 12th on the list. Probably a lot of the drain had to do with the demise of Kodak and Xerox, etc. The world moved forward and the town didn't.

    But here I am still wondering why I stay. The house is all paid for: two story Cape, dead end street on a 2 acre lot backed onto woods with parks in walking distance. Tree lined streets, great schools, non-existent crime. This used to be THE place to live for Kodak hotshots. And it's affordable too, my place is assessed at 142K. The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It's like toting a mortgage.

    Which leads me to wonder what am I paying for? I have to admit that the snow plowing is exemplary, which is a critical life component if you live downwind of Buffalo. Other than that I can't help but believe that I'm being cheated. Every parasite needs a host and I'm not happy with my role.

    So I'm looking to get out. My criteria are simple. First I seek a state which allows constitutional carry. Not that I feel the need to go armed, but that serves as a proxy for whether a locality respects fundamental rights or not. Second, I look at the percentage of white births. Isteve readers will understand.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    Federalism is a wonderful concept. I hope it lasts at least as long as the rest of my lifespan. As for the rest of you young fellas, I offer my sympathies.

    You’re paying to live in a place with no crime, and great services. That is priceless.

    I have lived in many places. I love the American West. But the water problem is real – CA is only the beginning. And someone from your background might find the place as much of a culture shock as moving to Mexico.

    As for your cultural problems with Vermont, well, you cannot have everything, can you? It’s an exquisite state. Ignore the idiots. They are everywhere. I’ve noticed that the nicest states/localities in the US are run by white fools who don’t know how good they have it. It just comes with the territory.

  121. I’m listening to podcast of a speech that Joel Kotkin gave to the Cleveland Club earlier this year. He actually specifically references that Zuckerberg pushes for H1B visas as a way to employ “techno-coolies” who will live 3 or 4 to an apartment or a house in the Bay Area for 5-6 years and then go back home. Americans, especially young families, do not want to do this. This further discourages family formation in Blue States.

  122. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Wilkey
    The same immigrant advantage holds true for pay as for housing. A tech company in San Jose offers two potential employees a job with a $60k/year salary. One is an American living in Waukegan, the other is a would-be H1b living in India. The job offers are theoretically the same, but realistically they are not.

    A New Jersey-based acquaintance told me that her HR job (IBM) is entirely importing Indians for computing and Africans (yes) for project manager work. I nearly threw up. She’s 100% Coulter type WASP.

    I always knew about this but having it thrown in your face is another thing entirely. I had to compose myself.

    • Replies: @JerseyGuy
    All of the large services firms are doing this now. My accounting firm does this as well (or just outsources a non-trivial part of our engagement work). I know Americans have largely been apathetic regarding globalization up to now but I really do this will change over the next few years as companies start to globalize their labor forces on a massive scale. This will start to get very political in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe.
  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    Vaguely on-topic:

    A map showing where 95% of the Earth's population lives:

    http://io9.com/this-maps-red-and-blue-regions-each-contain-5-of-the-w-1719773481

    I see that the creator of the map, one Max Galka, is another fan of the ant-heap lifestyle:

    If anything, I see South Asia’s dense population as a positive thing. It is very efficient economically, socially, and environmentally for people to live in dense population centers. And a movement out of rural areas into cities is trend that is happening everywhere in the world, even in India and Bangladesh. So in that sense, they are ahead of the curve.

    The cities there do have problems with the infrastructure not being able to keep up, but if people are choosing to move there anyway, it tells me that the economic opportunities of living with lots of people outweigh the problems.

    Nothing says “economic opportunity” like living ten to a refrigerator-box next to an open sewer!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The cities there do have problems with the infrastructure not being able to keep up,..."

    Your infrstructure is never taxed beyond capacity if you have no infrastructure.
  124. this chart is a classic way of lying with statistics
    El Paso loses 8k people of 800k (could be a brigade moving off the fort)and get marked as the top loser
    NYC loses 160k of 20.1m and is in the middle of the pack same with LA’s losses. The 60k hit La took is a lot especially in both cases where the overall population is growing because of imported folk, legal or otherwise, so it is really a 70 or 80k shift in population in one year. If that happens in EP that is 10% of the people there. For example if only a fraction of those moving out of greater NYC go to Vermont, as has happened, you wind up with the Howard Dean, Bernie sanders (both native new yorkers) etc. school of Vermont politics

  125. @Whiskey
    A more robust theory with greater explanation power would be that the more non-White an urban area gets, the more people who can flee do flee. After all, ultra-high cost Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco are not exactly begging for people. Its just that lots of ultra poor Mexican day labor and vibrant people from places like Ferguson have not seen yet to crowd into ultra expensive areas that are culturally hostile to the peasant culture of say, Michoacan or the Mississippi Delta as interpreted by South Central LA.

    A place like El Paso (was there briefly) is extremely unpleasant, dominated by the peasant culture of Mexico, not much there in terms of a mate market for young Whites or employment that is high paying or even stuff like Bush Housing Bubble Vegas construction.

    Eventually of course even the Pacific Northwest edge cities will be over-run by diversity, of the Mexican rather than the Black kind, would be the smart bet. But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large.

    ” NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large.”

    Including NYC (and perhaps Chicago) makes no sense. Wealthy people live in NYC. That puts a floor under how low they can sink. Memphis or Baltimore – sure, nobody cares about Memphis or Baltimore. They can go to hell. But the Masters of the Universe who reside in New York won’t let New York become the kind of place where they feel uncomfortable living.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, NYC and Chicago are financial centers with the attendant support industries such as insurance and the legal field.

    There's not much industry or economic activity in Baltimore and Memphis.
    , @Whiskey
    Oh I'm sure the FIRE folks at Chicago, and the guys like Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs have plans. Hopes. Dreams even. But the reality is that a man like De Blasio is Mayor of NYC on the strength of having married a Black woman and having fathered two Mulatto kids with her. Nothing else. And Mayor Rahm squeaked through against a Hispanic when Bertha Lewis was diagnosed with a brain tumor and could not run.

    Money only trumps demographics for a while. Like a dike against a rising sea, eventually it fails. Generally catastrophically. Yes Elites in NYC and Chicago are betting they can run things even as the places turn into mixtures of Mexico, Liberia, and Puerto Rico all rolled into one (well don't forget the Dominican).

    What is the big issue for the Eye of Soros and Black activists? That Blacks should be allowed to fight with police and just walk away with police just meekly surrendering. Because there's a holocaust according to Ta Nehisi Coates of Blacks being murdered in the millions by racist White cops.

    If Memphis and Cinncy and Philly and Detroit and LA burn, what are the odds that NYC and Chicago won't? That De Blasio won't just muzzle cops and say, the heck with Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, he's getting re-elected darn it!

    Thought Experiment: Suppose two weeks before Election Day, De Blasio summarily fired all White cops and replaced them with Black ones. How big a Black turnout and subsequent margin of victory would De Blasio have over any challenger?

    Yeah the Empire lasted a century in the West bribing barbarians, but eventually Rome fell.
  126. @Anonymous
    I see that the creator of the map, one Max Galka, is another fan of the ant-heap lifestyle:

    If anything, I see South Asia’s dense population as a positive thing. It is very efficient economically, socially, and environmentally for people to live in dense population centers. And a movement out of rural areas into cities is trend that is happening everywhere in the world, even in India and Bangladesh. So in that sense, they are ahead of the curve.

    The cities there do have problems with the infrastructure not being able to keep up, but if people are choosing to move there anyway, it tells me that the economic opportunities of living with lots of people outweigh the problems.
     
    Nothing says "economic opportunity" like living ten to a refrigerator-box next to an open sewer!

    “The cities there do have problems with the infrastructure not being able to keep up,…”

    Your infrstructure is never taxed beyond capacity if you have no infrastructure.

  127. @Anonymous
    They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert... they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    If El Paso/New Mexico were filled with Jews, Germans, WASPs, Nordics, Alpine Italians, Green Spanish, Icelanders, Huguenots etc. then these would be highly attractive destinations.

    New Mexico has outstanding geography. It could be a paradise. But instead it's covered with taciturn dead enders.

    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.
     
    The big drawback? It's full of Hispanics:

    GENERATIONS OF EXCLUSION:


    Is a book by two UCLA sociologists, Vila Ortiz and Edward E Telles, published in 2008. It originated in a fair-sized data set (1576 people) collected in 1965, which was rediscovered in 1992. The original respondents and their adult children were interviewed. It shows quite clearly that although second-generation Mexican-Americans averaged more education and higher SES than the first generation, presumably because they knew English, there was no further improvement in the third and fourth generations. The gap remained substantial: the fourth generation had a college completion rate of 6%, compared to a rate of 35% for whites of that same era.

    Which is pretty much what you see in New Mexico too, except that here we’re often talking about the fifth, sixth, and seventh generation living in the US

    I don’t see much sign that the story is greatly different in Central and South America. Mestizos – whose ancestry is part Amerindian and part European (usually Spanish), make up most of the population in those countries. Their PISA scores are low – lower than those of Hispanics in the US. Performance in science and technology is more important than test performance – but Latin America’s low performance is consistent with their low test scores. This showed up in my Zones of Thought map.

    Isn’t there reason to believe that this is all going to change radically for the better in the near future, powered by the strongest force in the Universe, wishful thinking? Nope.

    Nobody knows how to substantially change this picture. Yet.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/generations-of-exclusion/


    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/new-mexico/
  128. @Mr. Anon
    " NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large."

    Including NYC (and perhaps Chicago) makes no sense. Wealthy people live in NYC. That puts a floor under how low they can sink. Memphis or Baltimore - sure, nobody cares about Memphis or Baltimore. They can go to hell. But the Masters of the Universe who reside in New York won't let New York become the kind of place where they feel uncomfortable living.

    Yes, NYC and Chicago are financial centers with the attendant support industries such as insurance and the legal field.

    There’s not much industry or economic activity in Baltimore and Memphis.

  129. @Buzz Mohawk

    In terms of beach areas?
     
    Who said anything about beaches? Try mountains for blue skies and white people. Lots of crap washes up on coastlines, especially on warm coastlines -- or haven't you noticed?

    I know, but a lot of people move to Florida for the warm winter weather and the beaches there, which can be enjoyed in the winter as well. Mountains are nice, but can be cold in the winter.

  130. @Anon
    It's the law of "boastable" ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to "select an ethnicity".

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    It’s the law of “boastable” ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to “select an ethnicity”.

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    Of course, I’m the exception that proves the rule.I get a kick out of being the Evil Anglo, the Satanic WASP, etc

  131. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @midtown
    I would say the mid-Atlantic (NC up to Maryland/lower PA) is one of the best spots in the country. If you want beaches, the Outer Banks and up through Delaware are good. You also have mountains not far away, and everything is green, unlike more arid parts of the country. But in my view, at least, the climate is superb. The humidity is nothing like the Gulf Coast. Spring and fall are perfect, and you get a taste of summer and a taste of winter. Taxes are locality-dependent, and I admit Florida has a good tax environment for residents, but for my house, which is a 100-year-old historic home of 3500 sf, taxes are less than $2000/yr.

    I definitely agree that the Mid-Atlantic has among the best beaches in the country. I’ve vacationed at all the major beaches along the Mid-Atlantic states from the Outer Banks up to the Jersey Shore, and they’re great. The beaches are nice and the water is warm. The Outer Banks is especially fantastic. Also, as you note, other environments, whether mountains or major cities, are easily accessible by car, whereas in Florida you’re quite removed from them.

    I suppose though that a lot of people move to Florida for its warm winter weather.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    mid-atlantic beaches are ugly, with brown sand and murky water. The vegetation and dunes on the outer banks are nice but the water is still murky and cold until mid June.

    The only places in the continental U.S with warm-water, pretty beaches are Florida, South Carolina, Alabama. To qualify as "pretty" the water should be clear most of the time. I guess San Diego counts too, though the water is cold it's still very pretty and swimmable.

    It's too bad most of California and southern Oregon has frigid water. It's really clear and blue, it's strange that such tropical looking water is 50 degrees year round.
  132. I guess this is why SoCal, and LA in particular, is no longer the subject of countless meditations on disillusionment and disappointment. The Grapes of Wrath is perhaps the ur-example, but it was an even more common theme in mid-century pop music- Albert Hammond’s “It Never Rains in Southern California“, Mark Lindsay’s “California“, Bacharach’s “Do you Know the Way to San Jose?“, Jim Weatherly’s “Midnight Train to Georgia“, Glen Campbell’s “Country Boy“, and numerous others I can’t recall off the top of my head. It seems nobody gets disappointed by failure in LA anymore, because since at least the Falling Down era, nobody really expects to succeed there?

  133. @The Plutonium Kid
    I'll take "hicks" over New Yorkers any day.

    Florida hicks, though? Florida hicks aren’t really the salt of the earth types like the hicks elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Jay
    Man, you got that right. My immediate ancestors were country people from northwest Alabama. The kind that had a whole room full of canned vegetables they had put up during the summer, plenty of beef in the pastures, and cash in the bank. Florida country people are nothing like that. Their behaviors were formed by an extractive economy: timber cutting and free-ranging cattle. They expect much more of a free ride than country people whom I have known in the upland South.
  134. @JSM
    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    I'm in Wyoming. Please come. The air is clean and you should consider everyone armed.

    Please come, also, because the %$^#!! RINO Matt Mead wants to make WY, the last holdout against Somali invasion, a refugee resettlement. We need more sensible White voters in this state, because the leftists have shown time and again, as soon as the White pop drops under 90%, the anti-White crap gets rolling in earnest. https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/tag/wyoming/

    Isn’t the Yellowstone supervolcano right under Wyoming?

    • Replies: @JSM
    Sure. And if it goes off, the kill zone will be the entire United States. So, put that fact in the moot-points column.
  135. @athEIst
    And some of Connecticut’s problems are due to Puerto Rican areas stop attracting Puerto Ricans..
    Steve, did you mean that the way it's written? If the PR areas stop attracting PRs is that a problem?

    Connecticut’s problem is the same as that of Springfield, MA, located over the border on Route 91, or as local wags call it, the San Juan Highway. Springfield and our other Hispanic shyteholes, Chelsea and Lawrence, all have higher rates of violent crime than Boston.

    Kinda gives lie to our host’s theories on Hispanic criminality.

  136. @Anon
    It's the law of "boastable" ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to "select an ethnicity".

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    I’m out of step, as usual. I’m 1/4 English, 1/4 German, 1/4 Serb and 1/4 Croat (the latter two from Vienna). I identify as Austrian and German.

    I don’t boast about it but I love knowing my grandparents grew up within a few miles of where Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert lived. And to a lesser extent, Steiner and Riesenfeld.

  137. A couple of years ago, I answered a bunch of questions regarding living preferences (at bestplaces.net, I think), and El Paso came back as my ideal location to live. Aside from one short business trip to Dallas and one short pleasure trip to Houston, I’ve never explored Texas. I did, however, just return back east from a week in the Colorado Rockies, an hour west of Denver, whitewater rafting, downhill mountain biking, and 4-wheelin’ all over the mountains. The vistas are gorgeous! I had a great time and will do it again, but probably a bit too remote and cool for me (40 degrees at night 65 during the day and snow at 12,000 feet, in July!).

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell” General Philip Henry Sheridan.

    I love Texans - there are none better. But to live there, as I have, well, Sheridan had a point. (Don't get me started on Texas women. Please. Don't.)

    "All my ex's live in Texas
    And Texas is the place I'd dearly love to be
    But all my ex's live in Texas
    And that's why I hang my hat in Tennessee"
    -- George Strait
  138. @Anon
    It's the law of "boastable" ethnicities that people like to boast about. I speak as someone who never considered himself ethnic until he went to college and had to "select an ethnicity".

    Americans of mixed heritage no longer boast of being English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian or Dutch. Everything else is pretty ok to boast about.

    http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/txtspeeches/672.pdf

    Theodore Roosevelt had the right idea:

    “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else”.

    President Woodrow Wilson regarded “hyphenated Americans” with suspicion, saying, “Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready.

    This should be required reading in high school!

    Man, sometimes I think I’m actually Americanizing at a distance :))) I’ve never even been West of Paris, but I remember Dalrymple’s quip that Anglophiles who visit England are cured of their affection.

  139. @International Jew
    This is an interesting subject, but those numbers on the map aren't so useful. They cover just one year, and they don't distinguish between Americans, immigrants, and "immigrants".

    I doubt very much that the number for El Paso says anything much about "Americans". It could just represent an excess, that year, of Mexicans leaving to fan out into the rest of the country, over newly-arrived Mexicans. The next year could be the opposite. El Paso was 81% Hispanic in 2010 (and that's just the ones that let themselves get counted).

    those numbers on the map aren’t so useful. They cover just one year

    Precisely. There’s no context to the numbers. Is it a trend? Are the numbers increasing, decreasing, or static, i.e. typical? One year–compared to what? As absolute numbers, they’re very small–less than 1%. Noise.

    Every year NYC sees an influx of college graduates. Some stay, so go after a few years. Yes, housing here has gotten vastly more expensive–after being expensive to start with. But that’s merely one element of why people move. And it doesn’t say much about Americans living elsewhere facing different trade-offs.

  140. @WhatEvvs
    A New Jersey-based acquaintance told me that her HR job (IBM) is entirely importing Indians for computing and Africans (yes) for project manager work. I nearly threw up. She's 100% Coulter type WASP.

    I always knew about this but having it thrown in your face is another thing entirely. I had to compose myself.

    All of the large services firms are doing this now. My accounting firm does this as well (or just outsources a non-trivial part of our engagement work). I know Americans have largely been apathetic regarding globalization up to now but I really do this will change over the next few years as companies start to globalize their labor forces on a massive scale. This will start to get very political in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs

    I know Americans have largely been apathetic regarding globalization up to now but I really do this will change over the next few years as companies start to globalize their labor forces on a massive scale. This will start to get very political in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe.
     
    I certainly hope so but I have my doubts. The whole business strikes me as so massive and such a clusterf*ck that I don't think anything can be done. The US is too big. It's turned into this ramshackle hydra-headed mess....I don't know.

    Australia has already done something about illegals, but from what I read, if you are a rich Asian, you've got a home in the lucky country. Canada? Gone, baby, gone. Chinese are pouring into the country. Western Europe? Maybe....The US? You have got to be kidding me. They aren't going to do the dirty labor the Mexicans/Central Americans do, and computing has gotten such a stinky rep that they don't want to do it. Not to mention Asians dominating all the State u's (forget about Ivy League, I am referring to Average America)...

    And they are psychologically gelded. Who did Kate Steinle's family criticize? Trump, for exploiting their daughter's death! Which he did, and I understand their feelings, but fer crying out loud, could they not have also put in a word against the fiendish politicians who facilitated their daughter's death??

    Please refute me. I want to be wrong.

  141. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    “I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16.”

    I share in, and vigorously applaud, these noble sentiments. I intend to use the word cuckservative at least once per day…for the rest of my life? Hopefully, it won’t quite come to that.

  142. @anon
    “cuckservative” is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests - nothing else - just bought.

    “‘cuckservative’ is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests – nothing else – just bought.”

    Thank you for casting your pearls of wisdom, before us lowly swine. How much does a subscription to Mother Jones run a fellow, these days?

    • Replies: @anon

    Thank you for casting your pearls of wisdom, before us lowly swine.
     
    You're welcome.
  143. One of the drills is, Section 8 blacks move in, converge on neighborhood mom and pop stores, with this happening on a weekly basis:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13d_1437661066

    mom and pop can’t deal, so they close their business at a loss, or sell it to a Korean family, and move away, their dreams of their business, their community they helped to build with hard work, and how they planned to retire are destroyed.

    When a significant number of section 8 blacks are dropped into any small community, the same thing happens. The community is severely taxed, or destroyed.

    The conventional liberal notion that blacks will “learn” from their successful white conterparts doesn’t really happen. What does happen is blacks with nothing to lose, confront those who do, that is, home and business owners, rapidly and repeatedly, until they leave.

    So that’s one powerful way you get the population loss in specific areas, followed their replacements.

    I’m not speaking theoretically. I’ve seen it occur first hand a number of times.

    Black section 8 housing creation is like building a giant wrecking ball into previously low crime communities. It’s not the exception, it’s the general rule.

    Section 8 housing destroys communities.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Aaron J, A report released in Chicago shows that the city spent $2.5 million on arrests in one single block of diversity. A lot of money that could have been invested in one safe productive block.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Aaron J said, "The conventional liberal notion that blacks will “learn” from their successful white conterparts doesn’t really happen."

    Right. This is a classic example of Cargo Cult thinking. Give blacks all the trappings of the middle class - good schools, nice safe neighborhoods, etc. - and they will become middle class by osmosis.

    This makes as much sense as saying that I can put a teaspoon of dirt in a quart of vanilla ice cream and the goodness of the ice cream will win out.

    Of course being a liberal means that your good intentions are enough; why bother to look at the real world effects? Especially when you have dumped your problem population on the white suburbs which you hate.
  144. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, that was a bit of a stretch.

    A stretch? Like a public school teacher without an adequate healthcare plan? Talk about suspending disbelief…

  145. Palestinians are definitely one of the most violent Muslim ethnic groups out there. I definitely would not want to live in a neighborhood full of them. Palestinians behave live Chechens on steroids.

    Funny how often Jews have run into this sort of people, throughout history.

    I’ve noticed that the nicest states/localities in the US are run by white fools who don’t know how good they have it.

    20th & 21st century American history in a nutshell.

  146. @The Plutonium Kid
    "And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls 'creative housing arrangements' in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It’s an arrangement that most Americans just aren’t willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it’s not for them as time goes by, he said."

    These are not "creative housing arrangements." They are poverty. They're also illegal, as they violate zoning regulations. But when have the current wave of "immigrants" ever respected our laws or our communities?

    Progs know how to put a bow on anything i.e. “creative housing arrangements”. Or how AirBNB and Uber that would have been called boarding or portering only a few decades ago. My fave downscaling that isn’t downscaling: “interning”.

  147. @anon
    Repeating comment made on previous thread but Stoll's analysis is the wrong way round.

    The illegal immigration comes first and they are willing to work for lower wages and live eight to a room because they are sending their money home.

    This takes away the jobs and housing and this is what drives the native population out (along with the increase the local crime which comes with some immigrant populations - though not all).

    It's economic warfare and if the media told the truth for just one day it would be obvious.

    The trick seems to be that immigrant asians, many coming from communities that make black communities look the same in comparison as far as the depressing atmosphere that poverty generates, buy businesses and properties from defeated whites that would otherwise be abandoned. When under financial pressure, these asians look to their families to mount a collection to pay their mortgage or whatever to keep going, when white business owners would, again, just give up.

    This allows black neighborhoods to appear somewhat functional, instead of a barren moonscape. If not for immigrants, blacks in general would lot a hell of a lot worse. Everywhere section 8 housing hit would look like a locust storm had hit.

    Another question would be, why don’t asians like to live in Detroit? A black city without slave-minded immigrants to deal with black people, cannot function.

    • Replies: @anon
    Not true.

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores - as they used to.

    They can't evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.
    , @Anonymous

    Another question would be, why don’t asians like to live in Detroit?
     
    You're kidding, right?
  148. This is the greatest reality show in the world: security footage from an Atlanta mall cop!

    http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhszd1PsIGlt09qnDj

  149. @Anonymous
    Born and raised in Rochester, NY, 12th on the list. Probably a lot of the drain had to do with the demise of Kodak and Xerox, etc. The world moved forward and the town didn't.

    But here I am still wondering why I stay. The house is all paid for: two story Cape, dead end street on a 2 acre lot backed onto woods with parks in walking distance. Tree lined streets, great schools, non-existent crime. This used to be THE place to live for Kodak hotshots. And it's affordable too, my place is assessed at 142K. The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It's like toting a mortgage.

    Which leads me to wonder what am I paying for? I have to admit that the snow plowing is exemplary, which is a critical life component if you live downwind of Buffalo. Other than that I can't help but believe that I'm being cheated. Every parasite needs a host and I'm not happy with my role.

    So I'm looking to get out. My criteria are simple. First I seek a state which allows constitutional carry. Not that I feel the need to go armed, but that serves as a proxy for whether a locality respects fundamental rights or not. Second, I look at the percentage of white births. Isteve readers will understand.

    Wyoming and Vermont stand out, but the Freedom & Unity State is much too SWPL and high tax. Maine just opened up so we'll see.

    Federalism is a wonderful concept. I hope it lasts at least as long as the rest of my lifespan. As for the rest of you young fellas, I offer my sympathies.

    The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It’s like toting a mortgage.

    My older brother, in a similar situation Upstate remarked several years ago that you never own your own home, you’re in a partnership with the state (due to property taxes that have the appearance of a balloon mortgage with 5%+ interest rate).

    Property taxes are killing Upstate NY, and it’s a death spiral. Medicaid and other social welfare spending accounts for more than half of local (county) budgets (funding is split between the state and the county), and keeps rising. Most states fund them at the general revenue-state level. NYC-level healthcare reimbursement rates are spread across the state, where NYC income levels do not exist.

    Americans fleeing? Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse (combined) lost ~460K between 1960 and 2010, or 42% of their population. Obviously, some moved to the suburbs, as the respective surrounding counties are somewhat larger than 1960. Hardly a sign or vibrancy–or is it? 😉

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Forbes, I live outside of Buffalo, nice community. Two of my friends have very nice homes, one in THE development and the other on a six acre mini-estate. They pay a combined $34k a year in property taxes. No kids in school, but they are anchored here by their successful business. But really, $34k? We have volunteer firemen and rely on NY State troopers for policing. Moving to the suburbs in NY is expensive.
    , @Anon
    Lapsed Rochesterian here. A few years ago, the local paper wrote a piece about how people were leaving the city for the suburbs. Of the list of counties to which Rochester residents moved, Mecklenburg County, NC was 2nd on the list.
  150. @The Plutonium Kid
    I'll take "hicks" over New Yorkers any day.

    I’ll take “hicks” over New Yorkers any day.

    Plenty of New Yorkers are hicks. Cf Millard Fillmore, Jennie Jerome Churchill, Cassius Marcellus Coolidge, Gabby Hayes, Grandma Moses, Lucille Ball, John Gardner, Johnny Hart, Jerry Jeff Walker, Natalie Merchant… and who can ever forget the colorful Joyce Mitchell, 2015’s Hick of the Year?

    Bill Kauffman has made a career out of writing about New York hicks.

  151. @Anon
    "They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls “creative housing arrangements” in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home."

    ROTFL.

    'Creative housing arrangements'.

    I guess all them Africans crowded into boats headed to Europe are part of 'creative cruises'.

    Who knew slum living could be so 'creative'?

    It's not just the creative class.

    Now we have the creative mass.

    Anon, Creative indeed. I remember visiting Hong Kong and being shown a tiny apartment that housed 21 men. They lived in the “house” in shifts. Seven slept, while seven were at work and the other seven were out doing who knows what…Thought that was bizarre until I was shown the harbors with hundreds of Junks tendered together. You had to cross the decks of dozens of boats to reach the docks, and the communal bathrooms. The stench. The stench.

    • Replies: @Yngvar

    The stench. The stench.
     
    I love the stench of freedom in the morning. Smells like Liberty.
  152. @Cagey Beast
    OT: The Daily Caller has taken on the hot new internet meme amongst the alt-right troll army and has reaped the whirlwind in their comments section. Too funny:
    What’s Behind The ‘Cuckservative’ Slur? (NSFW)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

    Steve, I know the link Cagey Beast linked to is off topic, but I feel like it’s blowing up and would love you to bring some more attention to it if possible (i.e., via its own post). FWIW.

  153. @The Plutonium Kid
    "And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls 'creative housing arrangements' in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It’s an arrangement that most Americans just aren’t willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it’s not for them as time goes by, he said."

    These are not "creative housing arrangements." They are poverty. They're also illegal, as they violate zoning regulations. But when have the current wave of "immigrants" ever respected our laws or our communities?

    Plutonium Kid, Creative living also leads to tragedies. A year ago a blaze swept through row houses in Philadelphia, killing four very young children. The blaze was possibly started by children playing with fireworks. The houses (and neighborhood) were home to large “families” of West African immigrants. There were complaints that the firefighters did not do enough to save the buildings and the victims, but the official time line shows that the fire responders were on scene in one minute (first call at 241 am), as the fire house was basically around the corner. Within 6 minutes a second alarm was called in and three trucks were on site and working. The first firefighters actually went door to door to clear residents from adjacent row houses. The fire commissioner defended the response and said that the firefighters were “heroes”, not “superheroes.” The community said there were no fire fighters for 30 minutes. The immigrant community showed their love by protesting for days and actually blocking fire engines from leaving the neighborhood fire house. A another fire in the same area with deaths and massive property loss occurred, I think, in 2008, sparked by cooking in a bedroom. I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.
     
    But not Bucks County. It's almost a paradise.
  154. @Travis
    would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc...are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return.

    “would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc…are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return.”

    Come to Salt Lake City baby. Utah has AAA credit, Google is putting in whatever the most vast broadband standard is in both SLC and Provo, the radio news just announced Utah was top state for job creation for the fifth month in a row, the demographic is young, birthrate is high, attractive harmless sexually-available young white people are more numerous than fallen leaves and cigarette butts and feral cats COMBINED (and what a combination that would be, I’ma put that in my files) and finally Mormons are religiously instructed to stockpile food against future disaster, so by moving into such an area you increase your survival fitness BOOM just-like-that…

    • Replies: @Ex Machina
    I've heard great things about Salt Lake (from a guy who owns a film studio out there). Also, of all places, Bozeman, MT. I'm tempted by both, but Bozeman seems like a more distant stronghold, and therefore safer in the long run.
  155. @Cagey Beast
    OT: The Daily Caller has taken on the hot new internet meme amongst the alt-right troll army and has reaped the whirlwind in their comments section. Too funny:
    What’s Behind The ‘Cuckservative’ Slur? (NSFW)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

    Most of Sailer’s commentariat are cuckservatives. You may interpret that however you wish – if you’re a RedSate fanboy, as White Supremacist; if you’re a right-liberal, as an alt-right mock. I’ve been familiar with the term for a while; interesting to see it gaining wider use.

    • Replies: @anon
    The poisoning of western culture resolves around verbal warfare and one part of that is framing.

    "cuckservative" is clearly meme poison like "sexual market place" and all the other meme poison that comes out of game.
    , @Anonymous
    I think the yenta doth protest too much.
    , @el topo
    What are you on about?
  156. @Aaron J
    One of the drills is, Section 8 blacks move in, converge on neighborhood mom and pop stores, with this happening on a weekly basis:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13d_1437661066

    mom and pop can't deal, so they close their business at a loss, or sell it to a Korean family, and move away, their dreams of their business, their community they helped to build with hard work, and how they planned to retire are destroyed.

    When a significant number of section 8 blacks are dropped into any small community, the same thing happens. The community is severely taxed, or destroyed.

    The conventional liberal notion that blacks will "learn" from their successful white conterparts doesn't really happen. What does happen is blacks with nothing to lose, confront those who do, that is, home and business owners, rapidly and repeatedly, until they leave.

    So that's one powerful way you get the population loss in specific areas, followed their replacements.

    I'm not speaking theoretically. I've seen it occur first hand a number of times.

    Black section 8 housing creation is like building a giant wrecking ball into previously low crime communities. It's not the exception, it's the general rule.

    Section 8 housing destroys communities.

    Aaron J, A report released in Chicago shows that the city spent $2.5 million on arrests in one single block of diversity. A lot of money that could have been invested in one safe productive block.

  157. @Mr. Anon
    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.

    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.

    The big drawback? It’s full of Hispanics:

    GENERATIONS OF EXCLUSION:

    Is a book by two UCLA sociologists, Vila Ortiz and Edward E Telles, published in 2008. It originated in a fair-sized data set (1576 people) collected in 1965, which was rediscovered in 1992. The original respondents and their adult children were interviewed. It shows quite clearly that although second-generation Mexican-Americans averaged more education and higher SES than the first generation, presumably because they knew English, there was no further improvement in the third and fourth generations. The gap remained substantial: the fourth generation had a college completion rate of 6%, compared to a rate of 35% for whites of that same era.

    Which is pretty much what you see in New Mexico too, except that here we’re often talking about the fifth, sixth, and seventh generation living in the US

    I don’t see much sign that the story is greatly different in Central and South America. Mestizos – whose ancestry is part Amerindian and part European (usually Spanish), make up most of the population in those countries. Their PISA scores are low – lower than those of Hispanics in the US. Performance in science and technology is more important than test performance – but Latin America’s low performance is consistent with their low test scores. This showed up in my Zones of Thought map.

    Isn’t there reason to believe that this is all going to change radically for the better in the near future, powered by the strongest force in the Universe, wishful thinking? Nope.

    Nobody knows how to substantially change this picture. Yet.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/generations-of-exclusion/

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/new-mexico/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "syon says:

    ""New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.""

    The big drawback? It’s full of Hispanics:"

    That would seem to be negligable drawback compared to the cities of the southeast, which are hot, humid, bug-infested, and largely black.
  158. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    Preach.

  159. @Forbes

    The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It’s like toting a mortgage.
     
    My older brother, in a similar situation Upstate remarked several years ago that you never own your own home, you're in a partnership with the state (due to property taxes that have the appearance of a balloon mortgage with 5%+ interest rate).

    Property taxes are killing Upstate NY, and it's a death spiral. Medicaid and other social welfare spending accounts for more than half of local (county) budgets (funding is split between the state and the county), and keeps rising. Most states fund them at the general revenue-state level. NYC-level healthcare reimbursement rates are spread across the state, where NYC income levels do not exist.

    Americans fleeing? Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse (combined) lost ~460K between 1960 and 2010, or 42% of their population. Obviously, some moved to the suburbs, as the respective surrounding counties are somewhat larger than 1960. Hardly a sign or vibrancy--or is it? ;-)

    Forbes, I live outside of Buffalo, nice community. Two of my friends have very nice homes, one in THE development and the other on a six acre mini-estate. They pay a combined $34k a year in property taxes. No kids in school, but they are anchored here by their successful business. But really, $34k? We have volunteer firemen and rely on NY State troopers for policing. Moving to the suburbs in NY is expensive.

  160. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - Economist on Trump. They think he's in it for the money - after all, what possible other motive could a man have?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/politics-and-deal-making

    "You'd have to be astoundingly brazen to run for president, churning up toxic xenophobic sentiments, just to get the political leverage to win a huge tax break, or to build a casino or to stop somebody else's casino. But Mr Trump is neither a meek nor public-spirited man. And, astonishingly enough, he may have actually succeeded in putting the Republican Party in a corner.

    If cutting a sweet deal is what Mr Trump was aiming to do all along, we might have to admit that he is more than the attention-seeking buffoon he appears to be. It may be that he is a attention-seeking, buffoonish genius. In any case, Mr Trump has floated the possibility that he may try to wreck the Republican Party's presidential chances unless it coughs up a little "fair" treatment, whatever that means. If the GOP doesn't think it can neutralise Mr Trump's threat of a third-party run by utterly demolishing his reputation, then they're going to have to consider a little fairness. Not a bad month's work for Mr Trump."

    People who are indifferent to money don’t get to be billionaires.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    People who are indifferent to money don’t get to be billionaires.

     

    Yeah, but they still have to trade their way to a billion. So those who care ONLY about money never get there either.

    That's why people who care only about money are always leftists.
  161. @Aaron J
    One of the drills is, Section 8 blacks move in, converge on neighborhood mom and pop stores, with this happening on a weekly basis:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13d_1437661066

    mom and pop can't deal, so they close their business at a loss, or sell it to a Korean family, and move away, their dreams of their business, their community they helped to build with hard work, and how they planned to retire are destroyed.

    When a significant number of section 8 blacks are dropped into any small community, the same thing happens. The community is severely taxed, or destroyed.

    The conventional liberal notion that blacks will "learn" from their successful white conterparts doesn't really happen. What does happen is blacks with nothing to lose, confront those who do, that is, home and business owners, rapidly and repeatedly, until they leave.

    So that's one powerful way you get the population loss in specific areas, followed their replacements.

    I'm not speaking theoretically. I've seen it occur first hand a number of times.

    Black section 8 housing creation is like building a giant wrecking ball into previously low crime communities. It's not the exception, it's the general rule.

    Section 8 housing destroys communities.

    Aaron J said, “The conventional liberal notion that blacks will “learn” from their successful white conterparts doesn’t really happen.”

    Right. This is a classic example of Cargo Cult thinking. Give blacks all the trappings of the middle class – good schools, nice safe neighborhoods, etc. – and they will become middle class by osmosis.

    This makes as much sense as saying that I can put a teaspoon of dirt in a quart of vanilla ice cream and the goodness of the ice cream will win out.

    Of course being a liberal means that your good intentions are enough; why bother to look at the real world effects? Especially when you have dumped your problem population on the white suburbs which you hate.

  162. JD says:
    @Jefferson
    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.

    I don’t know. I lived in So Fl for around 6 years. Hated it. Flat, humid, and a decidedly third world vibe. Couldn’t wait to leave. Moved to mountains and dry weather.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I don’t know. I lived in So Fl for around 6 years. Hated it. Flat, humid, and a decidedly third world vibe. Couldn’t wait to leave. Moved to mountains and dry weather."

    You are still in the Minority. There is a reason Florida's population is getting larger, not smaller. Florida is the extreme opposite of Detroit which at one time had a population of almost 2 million people but now is down to 680 thousand people.

    I can see why Florida is such a popular destination for Americans to start a new life in, it has no individual income tax, it never gets as cold as North Dakota and Minnesota, the beach water is actually warm enough to swim in without a wetsuit, lots of amusement parks if you are in Orlando, it has one of the best night life scenes in the world if you are in Miami Beach, etc.
  163. @Anonymous
    I definitely agree that the Mid-Atlantic has among the best beaches in the country. I've vacationed at all the major beaches along the Mid-Atlantic states from the Outer Banks up to the Jersey Shore, and they're great. The beaches are nice and the water is warm. The Outer Banks is especially fantastic. Also, as you note, other environments, whether mountains or major cities, are easily accessible by car, whereas in Florida you're quite removed from them.

    I suppose though that a lot of people move to Florida for its warm winter weather.

    mid-atlantic beaches are ugly, with brown sand and murky water. The vegetation and dunes on the outer banks are nice but the water is still murky and cold until mid June.

    The only places in the continental U.S with warm-water, pretty beaches are Florida, South Carolina, Alabama. To qualify as “pretty” the water should be clear most of the time. I guess San Diego counts too, though the water is cold it’s still very pretty and swimmable.

    It’s too bad most of California and southern Oregon has frigid water. It’s really clear and blue, it’s strange that such tropical looking water is 50 degrees year round.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    How do you know the American coastline so well?
  164. @SILVER FISH
    "would be useful to see where the people fleeing New York, LA, Chicago etc…are going. Ideally would be good to know where the whites are going.

    I am one of those from the NY metro area looking to flee, trying to determine a good place to escape to where it will be safer to observe the decline of America. The Demographics already indicate we are close to the point of no return."

    Come to Salt Lake City baby. Utah has AAA credit, Google is putting in whatever the most vast broadband standard is in both SLC and Provo, the radio news just announced Utah was top state for job creation for the fifth month in a row, the demographic is young, birthrate is high, attractive harmless sexually-available young white people are more numerous than fallen leaves and cigarette butts and feral cats COMBINED (and what a combination that would be, I'ma put that in my files) and finally Mormons are religiously instructed to stockpile food against future disaster, so by moving into such an area you increase your survival fitness BOOM just-like-that...

    I’ve heard great things about Salt Lake (from a guy who owns a film studio out there). Also, of all places, Bozeman, MT. I’m tempted by both, but Bozeman seems like a more distant stronghold, and therefore safer in the long run.

  165. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "'cuckservative' is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests – nothing else – just bought."

    Thank you for casting your pearls of wisdom, before us lowly swine. How much does a subscription to Mother Jones run a fellow, these days?

    Thank you for casting your pearls of wisdom, before us lowly swine.

    You’re welcome.

  166. @Whiskey
    A more robust theory with greater explanation power would be that the more non-White an urban area gets, the more people who can flee do flee. After all, ultra-high cost Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco are not exactly begging for people. Its just that lots of ultra poor Mexican day labor and vibrant people from places like Ferguson have not seen yet to crowd into ultra expensive areas that are culturally hostile to the peasant culture of say, Michoacan or the Mississippi Delta as interpreted by South Central LA.

    A place like El Paso (was there briefly) is extremely unpleasant, dominated by the peasant culture of Mexico, not much there in terms of a mate market for young Whites or employment that is high paying or even stuff like Bush Housing Bubble Vegas construction.

    Eventually of course even the Pacific Northwest edge cities will be over-run by diversity, of the Mexican rather than the Black kind, would be the smart bet. But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large.

    The media is trying to incite a Ferguson/Baltimore riot currently in Memphis after a white cop killed a black kid (with sexual abuse warrant outstanding in Iowa) who resisted arrest:

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/local-news/assessing-the-police-shooting-of-darrius-stewart_03813914

    It was interesting how there seemed to be little unrest immediately after the incident – police suspended officer & the state was going to do an investigation – but then the local Congressman (Steve Cohen) and the media started stirring the pot. They did have the bad luck to have this occur the day before a white guy who was allegedly tripping on acid died after being arrested & hog tied by the police just over the state line in the Mississippi suburbs (which was caught on video).

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/21/asthmatic-father-dies-after-police-hogt

    The layout of the city makes Memphis quite a powder keg in the event of riots – nice neighborhoods are in close proximity to bad ones throughout the city.

  167. @Sheila
    Most of Sailer's commentariat are cuckservatives. You may interpret that however you wish - if you're a RedSate fanboy, as White Supremacist; if you're a right-liberal, as an alt-right mock. I've been familiar with the term for a while; interesting to see it gaining wider use.

    The poisoning of western culture resolves around verbal warfare and one part of that is framing.

    “cuckservative” is clearly meme poison like “sexual market place” and all the other meme poison that comes out of game.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    You do understand that the word "cuckold" is quite old and long predates the weird porn and swinger culture of today? It's actually got quite a classy provenance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold

    You can use the words "cuckold" and "cuckservative" at the finest social gatherings without feeling the need to blush or lower your voice. Use it at your next garden party to get over one of those uncomfortable pauses in the conversation. Ie: "I say, do you know who's been the most atrocious cuckservative lately?"

    Another great way to liven up the party and chase away those cuckservative blues is to invite some folks from the Donbass militia to do some Cossack dancing: http://thesaker.is/givi-dances-to-cossak-traditional-music/ They're what the French call décomplexé.
    , @Lugash
    Other poisonous memes include 'family values don't stop at the Rio Grande', illegal immigration is an 'act of love' and 'pathway to citizenship'.
  168. @5371
    People who are indifferent to money don't get to be billionaires.

    People who are indifferent to money don’t get to be billionaires.

    Yeah, but they still have to trade their way to a billion. So those who care ONLY about money never get there either.

    That’s why people who care only about money are always leftists.

  169. @Aaron J
    The trick seems to be that immigrant asians, many coming from communities that make black communities look the same in comparison as far as the depressing atmosphere that poverty generates, buy businesses and properties from defeated whites that would otherwise be abandoned. When under financial pressure, these asians look to their families to mount a collection to pay their mortgage or whatever to keep going, when white business owners would, again, just give up.

    This allows black neighborhoods to appear somewhat functional, instead of a barren moonscape. If not for immigrants, blacks in general would lot a hell of a lot worse. Everywhere section 8 housing hit would look like a locust storm had hit.

    Another question would be, why don't asians like to live in Detroit? A black city without slave-minded immigrants to deal with black people, cannot function.

    Not true.

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores – as they used to.

    They can’t evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores – as they used to.

    They can’t evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.
     
    Laziness?

    From Albert Schweitzer's NYT obit:

    "I let the Africans pick all the fruit they want," [Schweitzer] said. "You see, the good Lord has protected the trees. He made the Africans too lazy to pick them bare."

    http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0114.html
  170. @officious intermeddler

    This is part of a general pattern that highly Mexican areas in America wind up being too economically stagnant to attract more Mexicans: it’s also seen in the Rio Grande Valley and in New Mexico.
     
    It's not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They're both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert -- as illustrated by the fact that you refer to Dallas and Austin as "neighboring metro areas" of El Paso when they are an 8- or 9-hour drive by interstate through perhaps the most boring and desolate landscape in America.

    “It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert … ”

    Huh? How about Phoenix? Denver? Salt Lake City is truly in the middle of nowhere so far from anywhere that water doesn’t even leave … it goes down to a salt flat and evaporates.

    El Paso has better weather than Phoenix–you give up 10 degrees in the winter and tolerate 60 degree days, but pick it back up in the summer with tolerable 90s temps, instead baking in an oven. Yet Phoenix is booming. (Denver and Salt Lake have worse weather–full continental climate–with genuine winter and still hot summers.)

    Middle of nowhere is plausibly why El Paso never burgeoned in the past. But it’s not the issue today in these post-war days of AC and the service economy, when the Phoenix metro is approaching 5 million people.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Part of the reason is that its too damn hot for blacks, and just about everyone goes armed. Plus the traffic network is likely the best in the SW with multiple backup expressways in case one gets clogged.

    Steve has commented before that Phoenix metro has a SoCal culture as far as entertainment goes but when it comes to politics its akin to Wyoming. Meanwhile Tucson looks like Nogales, MEX and has the politics of San Francisco.

    Most of Arizona is die hard red state, but some blue around ASU and Tucson means that the MSM hasn't stopped trying to wish Arizona into battleground status.
  171. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert …

    They could be the cause without being to blame.

    If you import millions of immigrants to work for ever lower wages what eventually happens?

    Eventually no-one has any money except a handful of rich people.

    And if no-one has any money then you can’t have an economy.

    This is the big thing about a middle class economy that our “elite” don’t get – it’s partially self-supporting because money circulates – and so the shift away from a middle class economy to a peasant economy creates a deflationary vicious spiral as discretionary income shrinks.

    Then once you hit rock bottom the economy can’t grow because no one has any money – for example if you open a book store in a town where no-one has any discretionary income then it will fail. The only things that can make money in those conditions are those dealing with basic needs e.g. fast food or slumlording.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    That is a center-shot! Why don't the elites get the economics? Is it 'I am too busy to think about this?" Is it stupidity? Is it propaganda?

    The Democrat Party has corrupted the term "middle class" to mean "constituents that vote for the Democrat Party". But do the elites think that reducing the middle class to penury improves their condition? Honestly, the elites have waged war on the middle class for at least forty years. What were they thinking?
  172. @Sheila
    Most of Sailer's commentariat are cuckservatives. You may interpret that however you wish - if you're a RedSate fanboy, as White Supremacist; if you're a right-liberal, as an alt-right mock. I've been familiar with the term for a while; interesting to see it gaining wider use.

    I think the yenta doth protest too much.

  173. @JerseyGuy
    A lot of these policies have helped break up solidarity amongst citizens. I'm not really referring to "worker solidarity". More along the lines of most people having a basic shared idea of how our society should function. Perhaps even as big a factor as immigration in breaking up citizen solidarity is the increase in childlessness, especially in large urban centers such as NYC and the San Francisco. In short, over the long term, it becomes really difficult for people with families to compete with co-workers without children who can work longer hours, are more transient, don't have as many attachments, etc. Joel Kotkin has written about this. It's apparently much worse in East Asian than it is here.

    Perhaps this explains some of the shift as well? It just seems less cut-throat down in Nashville or Charleston compared to other cities. Maybe families have decided it's just easier down there.

    A lot of these policies have helped break up solidarity amongst citizens. I’m not really referring to “worker solidarity”. More along the lines of most people having a basic shared idea of how our society should function. Perhaps even as big a factor as immigration in breaking up citizen solidarity is the increase in childlessness, especially in large urban centers such as NYC and the San Francisco.

    I don’t think this compares with the solidarity damage from immigration, but still an excellent point, Jersey Guy.

    Steve has hit this point from another approach in his affordable family formation pieces. I remember one contrasting two sisters, one who moves to California and has a “career” and the other in Dallas with three kids. Not just their behavior but their whole world views change, down to things like the wisdom of gay scoutmasters.

    It’s not just transience and working hours, having kids ties you to the community *and* makes you care about the culture, tradition and the long term future of your nation. People who forego kids are a random careless element in a society–ironically … sorta like kids.

  174. @Aaron J
    The trick seems to be that immigrant asians, many coming from communities that make black communities look the same in comparison as far as the depressing atmosphere that poverty generates, buy businesses and properties from defeated whites that would otherwise be abandoned. When under financial pressure, these asians look to their families to mount a collection to pay their mortgage or whatever to keep going, when white business owners would, again, just give up.

    This allows black neighborhoods to appear somewhat functional, instead of a barren moonscape. If not for immigrants, blacks in general would lot a hell of a lot worse. Everywhere section 8 housing hit would look like a locust storm had hit.

    Another question would be, why don't asians like to live in Detroit? A black city without slave-minded immigrants to deal with black people, cannot function.

    Another question would be, why don’t asians like to live in Detroit?

    You’re kidding, right?

  175. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16…

    Awesome. I’m with you.

    I don’t think i’ve ever encountered a new word before that so perfectly captures a behavior and the reaction, the feeling it evokes–the whole idea in one word.

    Cry it from the rooftops — cuckservative!

    Should get Trump to say it, though he’s really not the ideal champion for the anti-cuck cause.

  176. I have a relative who lives in Asheville, NC. They have a group of retirees living there called “half backs” who originally left the snow belt for Florida but could not stand it so they moved half way back.

  177. @E. Rekshun
    A couple of years ago, I answered a bunch of questions regarding living preferences (at bestplaces.net, I think), and El Paso came back as my ideal location to live. Aside from one short business trip to Dallas and one short pleasure trip to Houston, I've never explored Texas. I did, however, just return back east from a week in the Colorado Rockies, an hour west of Denver, whitewater rafting, downhill mountain biking, and 4-wheelin' all over the mountains. The vistas are gorgeous! I had a great time and will do it again, but probably a bit too remote and cool for me (40 degrees at night 65 during the day and snow at 12,000 feet, in July!).

    “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell” General Philip Henry Sheridan.

    I love Texans – there are none better. But to live there, as I have, well, Sheridan had a point. (Don’t get me started on Texas women. Please. Don’t.)

    “All my ex’s live in Texas
    And Texas is the place I’d dearly love to be
    But all my ex’s live in Texas
    And that’s why I hang my hat in Tennessee”
    — George Strait

  178. @anon

    It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert …
     
    They could be the cause without being to blame.

    If you import millions of immigrants to work for ever lower wages what eventually happens?

    Eventually no-one has any money except a handful of rich people.

    And if no-one has any money then you can't have an economy.

    This is the big thing about a middle class economy that our "elite" don't get - it's partially self-supporting because money circulates - and so the shift away from a middle class economy to a peasant economy creates a deflationary vicious spiral as discretionary income shrinks.

    Then once you hit rock bottom the economy can't grow because no one has any money - for example if you open a book store in a town where no-one has any discretionary income then it will fail. The only things that can make money in those conditions are those dealing with basic needs e.g. fast food or slumlording.

    That is a center-shot! Why don’t the elites get the economics? Is it ‘I am too busy to think about this?” Is it stupidity? Is it propaganda?

    The Democrat Party has corrupted the term “middle class” to mean “constituents that vote for the Democrat Party”. But do the elites think that reducing the middle class to penury improves their condition? Honestly, the elites have waged war on the middle class for at least forty years. What were they thinking?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    They (Dems) were thinking they hate them (the White middle class). See also the "cuckservative" branch of Republicans. Like El ¡Jebe!

    They hate them because being a non-landed Aristocracy dependent on office, social connections, religious devotions (PC, Diversity, etc.) the elites are profoundly threatened by Middle Class Whites saying no to further Aristocratic Rule. The small owner of a house is the greatest threat to a new Lord with no lands but great power through office. Be it running PBS or the Speaker of the House.
    , @anon

    Why don’t the elites get the economics?
     
    Timing.

    It makes them richer in the short and medium term. It's only long term the economy grinds to a halt and not everywhere at once - more like a creeping necrosis from city to city - so the oligarchs will be the last people effected.
  179. @anon
    The poisoning of western culture resolves around verbal warfare and one part of that is framing.

    "cuckservative" is clearly meme poison like "sexual market place" and all the other meme poison that comes out of game.

    You do understand that the word “cuckold” is quite old and long predates the weird porn and swinger culture of today? It’s actually got quite a classy provenance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold

    You can use the words “cuckold” and “cuckservative” at the finest social gatherings without feeling the need to blush or lower your voice. Use it at your next garden party to get over one of those uncomfortable pauses in the conversation. Ie: “I say, do you know who’s been the most atrocious cuckservative lately?”

    Another great way to liven up the party and chase away those cuckservative blues is to invite some folks from the Donbass militia to do some Cossack dancing: http://thesaker.is/givi-dances-to-cossak-traditional-music/ They’re what the French call décomplexé.

    • Replies: @anon
    Do you understand framing?

    (and don't forget the misdirection: the GOP are *bought* by the people who benefit from their betrayal of their voter's interests - they are not stupid (well some of them are) and not foolish dupes - they are bought.
  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Not true.

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores - as they used to.

    They can't evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores – as they used to.

    They can’t evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.

    Laziness?

    From Albert Schweitzer’s NYT obit:

    “I let the Africans pick all the fruit they want,” [Schweitzer] said. “You see, the good Lord has protected the trees. He made the Africans too lazy to pick them bare.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0114.html

    • Replies: @anon
    If there was no outside competition the most able would run the stores and that would start a Clarkian "Farewell to Alms" type cycle but that can't happen when the niche is occupied by outsiders (of whatever ethnicity).

    The Star Trek way to deal with Africa would be to set up a Clarkian cycle inside and then quarantine it until it was done.
  181. @Forbes

    The killer is that the taxes are 6K, and I have neighbors paying 12K. It’s like toting a mortgage.
     
    My older brother, in a similar situation Upstate remarked several years ago that you never own your own home, you're in a partnership with the state (due to property taxes that have the appearance of a balloon mortgage with 5%+ interest rate).

    Property taxes are killing Upstate NY, and it's a death spiral. Medicaid and other social welfare spending accounts for more than half of local (county) budgets (funding is split between the state and the county), and keeps rising. Most states fund them at the general revenue-state level. NYC-level healthcare reimbursement rates are spread across the state, where NYC income levels do not exist.

    Americans fleeing? Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse (combined) lost ~460K between 1960 and 2010, or 42% of their population. Obviously, some moved to the suburbs, as the respective surrounding counties are somewhat larger than 1960. Hardly a sign or vibrancy--or is it? ;-)

    Lapsed Rochesterian here. A few years ago, the local paper wrote a piece about how people were leaving the city for the suburbs. Of the list of counties to which Rochester residents moved, Mecklenburg County, NC was 2nd on the list.

  182. @S. Anonyia
    mid-atlantic beaches are ugly, with brown sand and murky water. The vegetation and dunes on the outer banks are nice but the water is still murky and cold until mid June.

    The only places in the continental U.S with warm-water, pretty beaches are Florida, South Carolina, Alabama. To qualify as "pretty" the water should be clear most of the time. I guess San Diego counts too, though the water is cold it's still very pretty and swimmable.

    It's too bad most of California and southern Oregon has frigid water. It's really clear and blue, it's strange that such tropical looking water is 50 degrees year round.

    How do you know the American coastline so well?

  183. @anon
    The poisoning of western culture resolves around verbal warfare and one part of that is framing.

    "cuckservative" is clearly meme poison like "sexual market place" and all the other meme poison that comes out of game.

    Other poisonous memes include ‘family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande’, illegal immigration is an ‘act of love’ and ‘pathway to citizenship’.

  184. Steve you have to do a blog about The Immortal Hulk Hogan. He is making the news rounds right now.

  185. OT: Glenn Loury and John McWhorter vent their spleens on Ta-Nehisi Coates and the Guilty White Liberal Industrial Complex. Collateral damage — Charles Blow, David Brooks and the NY Times. Highly enjoyable.

    http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/36141

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Are Ta-Nehisi Coates and Charles Blow really two different people?

    Has anyone ever seen both of them at the same place at the same time?

    How many black bodies do they really occupy?

    Would anyone be able to distinguish them in a Turing Machine test?

  186. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Sheila
    Most of Sailer's commentariat are cuckservatives. You may interpret that however you wish - if you're a RedSate fanboy, as White Supremacist; if you're a right-liberal, as an alt-right mock. I've been familiar with the term for a while; interesting to see it gaining wider use.

    What are you on about?

  187. @Johann Ricke

    “Avi Benayahu, who served as IDF Spokesperson during both Operation Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara incident, explains his worldview and tactics in a lecture obtained by +972 Magazine, including how he sent army officers pretending to be civilians onto foreign television news.”

    But if anybody had surmised as much, he would have been shot down as an ‘antisemitic conspiracy nut’.
     
    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don't kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.

    Agreed. The Israelis can’t just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

    You'd also be with the Western Ukranians trying to eject the Russians out of Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Since, hey, someone took their stuff/land. Also with American Indians taking your house. After all, White Men stole their land and your house ought to belong to some Casino Tribe of Gambling Indians. Or something.

    Palestinians are incapable of peace, as it would require an end to the gangster society that runs the places, one gang in Gaza and another giant street gang in the West Bank. No more donations from the Gulf and Europe and America, no more agitation and attacks and gunmen shooting up things constantly and rival gangs and shakedowns and corruption a plenty. Peace was within their grasp all through the 1970s through the early 2000s. Palestinians would have destroyed themselves with infighting to the death had they settled for a reasonable half a loaf instead of fighting over nothing, or rather fighting to keep fighting as peace would be disaster without foreign aid and an external enemy to keep rivalries at a low boil. Muslims are built for constant fighting, look at Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria. It is the greatest strength and also weakness of Muslim society.

    Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything. Because the benefit of getting most of what was wanted outweighed and endless round of fighting. Muslims just can't make that call. Not ever. Their history is full of things like Syria lasting internally, Muslim on Muslim, for centuries. The Assads and Iran vs. Isis can slaughter each other hundreds of years.
  188. Agreed. The Israelis can’t just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.

    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years. While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge, much as an Assyrian might have a grudge against the Muslims who conquered his ancestral lands. Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile. Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back. And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    Like it or not, we’ve assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews. Ideally, we’d have hacked a Jewish state out of Germany instead of making Arabs pay the price. But that’s all water under the bridge now. And it’s not as if Arabs are these angels – they’re only in the historically Jewish lands the Romans called Palestine because of Muhammad’s victorious wars of conquest. Win some, lose some. Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.

    • Replies: @5371
    I'm going to ignore your Judaeophile dithyrambs, because their extreme historical inaccuracy makes them very low-hanging fruit, and if I started to correct them I'd be here all day. Instead I'll pick out the phrase about the Assyrians and their ''ancestral lands". The people who call themselves Assyrians today in fact have nothing to do with their non-ancestors, the ancient Assyrians of Sennacherib, Assurbanipal etc., except the pure accident that some of them lived in the same area where that extinct nation had lived thousands of years before. They are in origin simply a religious community, the remains of the Nestorian "Church of the East". And yet they themselves sincerely believe their historically absurd claims about being a direct continuation of the ancient Assyrians. There is a striking parallel here with the case of the Jews.
    , @ben tillman

    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years.
     
    That's a tendentious and amazingly one-sided view of history.

    1. Christendom didn't kill anyone. Your notion of collective guilt is totally bogus and offensive. And stupid, since, of course, by the same token, Christendom saved the Jews.

    2. The six million figure is bogus; it was a number thrown around for several different reasons before any sort of analysis of what had happened had been done. It was a number thrown around before the Nazis even came to power. When the analysis was done by Jewish historians like Reitlinger, Bauer, and Hilberg, they came up with a figure of roughly five million.

    3. You ignore Jewish persecution of non-Jews.
    , @Stealth
    And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    That is incorrect

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence


    Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back.

     

    Well, them, and whatever non-combatants happen to be in the way of those bombs Israel occasionally drops these days. Probably others, too. But hey, they were asking for it, right?
  189. @Buffalo Joe
    Plutonium Kid, Creative living also leads to tragedies. A year ago a blaze swept through row houses in Philadelphia, killing four very young children. The blaze was possibly started by children playing with fireworks. The houses (and neighborhood) were home to large "families" of West African immigrants. There were complaints that the firefighters did not do enough to save the buildings and the victims, but the official time line shows that the fire responders were on scene in one minute (first call at 241 am), as the fire house was basically around the corner. Within 6 minutes a second alarm was called in and three trucks were on site and working. The first firefighters actually went door to door to clear residents from adjacent row houses. The fire commissioner defended the response and said that the firefighters were "heroes", not "superheroes." The community said there were no fire fighters for 30 minutes. The immigrant community showed their love by protesting for days and actually blocking fire engines from leaving the neighborhood fire house. A another fire in the same area with deaths and massive property loss occurred, I think, in 2008, sparked by cooking in a bedroom. I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.

    I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.

    But not Bucks County. It’s almost a paradise.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ben, Bucks County is one of the few Northeast destinations I would move to. Take the train into NYC or reach the beaches of Delaware and a little further south in an hour and half. The countryside is beautiful.
  190. @Justpassingby

    Nobody cares, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis don’t kill American presidential candidates, blast away at tourists at the Empire State Building or shoot up Marine recruitment centers. I suspect the average American believes the world would be a better place if Palestinians were deported to Pluto.
     
    Agreed. The Israelis can't just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.

    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

    You’d also be with the Western Ukranians trying to eject the Russians out of Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Since, hey, someone took their stuff/land. Also with American Indians taking your house. After all, White Men stole their land and your house ought to belong to some Casino Tribe of Gambling Indians. Or something.

    Palestinians are incapable of peace, as it would require an end to the gangster society that runs the places, one gang in Gaza and another giant street gang in the West Bank. No more donations from the Gulf and Europe and America, no more agitation and attacks and gunmen shooting up things constantly and rival gangs and shakedowns and corruption a plenty. Peace was within their grasp all through the 1970s through the early 2000s. Palestinians would have destroyed themselves with infighting to the death had they settled for a reasonable half a loaf instead of fighting over nothing, or rather fighting to keep fighting as peace would be disaster without foreign aid and an external enemy to keep rivalries at a low boil. Muslims are built for constant fighting, look at Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria. It is the greatest strength and also weakness of Muslim society.

    Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything. Because the benefit of getting most of what was wanted outweighed and endless round of fighting. Muslims just can’t make that call. Not ever. Their history is full of things like Syria lasting internally, Muslim on Muslim, for centuries. The Assads and Iran vs. Isis can slaughter each other hundreds of years.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything."

    He was assassinated by those who considered that position traitorous.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

     

    What? Spain belongs to Spaniards? Zionist!
  191. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    That is a center-shot! Why don't the elites get the economics? Is it 'I am too busy to think about this?" Is it stupidity? Is it propaganda?

    The Democrat Party has corrupted the term "middle class" to mean "constituents that vote for the Democrat Party". But do the elites think that reducing the middle class to penury improves their condition? Honestly, the elites have waged war on the middle class for at least forty years. What were they thinking?

    They (Dems) were thinking they hate them (the White middle class). See also the “cuckservative” branch of Republicans. Like El ¡Jebe!

    They hate them because being a non-landed Aristocracy dependent on office, social connections, religious devotions (PC, Diversity, etc.) the elites are profoundly threatened by Middle Class Whites saying no to further Aristocratic Rule. The small owner of a house is the greatest threat to a new Lord with no lands but great power through office. Be it running PBS or the Speaker of the House.

  192. @Johann Ricke

    Agreed. The Israelis can’t just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.
     
    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years. While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge, much as an Assyrian might have a grudge against the Muslims who conquered his ancestral lands. Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile. Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back. And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    Like it or not, we've assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews. Ideally, we'd have hacked a Jewish state out of Germany instead of making Arabs pay the price. But that's all water under the bridge now. And it's not as if Arabs are these angels - they're only in the historically Jewish lands the Romans called Palestine because of Muhammad's victorious wars of conquest. Win some, lose some. Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.

    I’m going to ignore your Judaeophile dithyrambs, because their extreme historical inaccuracy makes them very low-hanging fruit, and if I started to correct them I’d be here all day. Instead I’ll pick out the phrase about the Assyrians and their ”ancestral lands”. The people who call themselves Assyrians today in fact have nothing to do with their non-ancestors, the ancient Assyrians of Sennacherib, Assurbanipal etc., except the pure accident that some of them lived in the same area where that extinct nation had lived thousands of years before. They are in origin simply a religious community, the remains of the Nestorian “Church of the East”. And yet they themselves sincerely believe their historically absurd claims about being a direct continuation of the ancient Assyrians. There is a striking parallel here with the case of the Jews.

  193. @Johann Ricke

    Agreed. The Israelis can’t just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.
     
    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years. While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge, much as an Assyrian might have a grudge against the Muslims who conquered his ancestral lands. Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile. Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back. And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    Like it or not, we've assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews. Ideally, we'd have hacked a Jewish state out of Germany instead of making Arabs pay the price. But that's all water under the bridge now. And it's not as if Arabs are these angels - they're only in the historically Jewish lands the Romans called Palestine because of Muhammad's victorious wars of conquest. Win some, lose some. Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.

    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years.

    That’s a tendentious and amazingly one-sided view of history.

    1. Christendom didn’t kill anyone. Your notion of collective guilt is totally bogus and offensive. And stupid, since, of course, by the same token, Christendom saved the Jews.

    2. The six million figure is bogus; it was a number thrown around for several different reasons before any sort of analysis of what had happened had been done. It was a number thrown around before the Nazis even came to power. When the analysis was done by Jewish historians like Reitlinger, Bauer, and Hilberg, they came up with a figure of roughly five million.

    3. You ignore Jewish persecution of non-Jews.

    • Replies: @SFG
    1. I'll give you the Nazis were dubiously Christian (the Catholic Church thought Hitler was trying to replace worship of God with himself, which wasn't that far off). In the end there is always religious conflict between different religions;

    2. So 5 million dead isn't a big deal? Most numbers I've seen have been between 5-6 million, closer to 6, so '6 million' is a rhetorical flourish. The Ukrainian genocide killed 3-7 million, and people have no problem citing that one.

    3. There wasn't much of that until Jews got their own country again, for obvious reasons. You have to actually be in a position of power to do any persecuting--when they had the chance, they jumped right to it. Jews are no better than any other ethnicity and, I think, no worse.

    What, Communism? Sure, Jews were *heavily involved* in that, but don't forget there were lots of Russians who were sick of feudalism and their country being backward, and thought things couldn't get worse (of course, they were wrong), and plenty of European gentiles who were sick of the greed of their crowned heads and capitalists. Just because Communism killed more people than any other ideology in history doesn't mean it arose out of a vacuum--and the watered-down form of social democracy seems to have worked OK in Northern and Western Europe, without any mass killings.
  194. @Mr. Anon
    " NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large."

    Including NYC (and perhaps Chicago) makes no sense. Wealthy people live in NYC. That puts a floor under how low they can sink. Memphis or Baltimore - sure, nobody cares about Memphis or Baltimore. They can go to hell. But the Masters of the Universe who reside in New York won't let New York become the kind of place where they feel uncomfortable living.

    Oh I’m sure the FIRE folks at Chicago, and the guys like Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs have plans. Hopes. Dreams even. But the reality is that a man like De Blasio is Mayor of NYC on the strength of having married a Black woman and having fathered two Mulatto kids with her. Nothing else. And Mayor Rahm squeaked through against a Hispanic when Bertha Lewis was diagnosed with a brain tumor and could not run.

    Money only trumps demographics for a while. Like a dike against a rising sea, eventually it fails. Generally catastrophically. Yes Elites in NYC and Chicago are betting they can run things even as the places turn into mixtures of Mexico, Liberia, and Puerto Rico all rolled into one (well don’t forget the Dominican).

    What is the big issue for the Eye of Soros and Black activists? That Blacks should be allowed to fight with police and just walk away with police just meekly surrendering. Because there’s a holocaust according to Ta Nehisi Coates of Blacks being murdered in the millions by racist White cops.

    If Memphis and Cinncy and Philly and Detroit and LA burn, what are the odds that NYC and Chicago won’t? That De Blasio won’t just muzzle cops and say, the heck with Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, he’s getting re-elected darn it!

    Thought Experiment: Suppose two weeks before Election Day, De Blasio summarily fired all White cops and replaced them with Black ones. How big a Black turnout and subsequent margin of victory would De Blasio have over any challenger?

    Yeah the Empire lasted a century in the West bribing barbarians, but eventually Rome fell.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "Bertha Lewis"

    Correction: Karen Lewis
  195. Actually, in places where blacks dominate and Whites move out, sometimes the Whites are replaced by Mexicans. Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don’t intend to live with blacks but drive them out. Its happened all over the SouthWest, and now those Mexicans see new Lebensraum in black cities up North. Word has got around that its easy to take over black neighborhoods, by piling a ton of Mexicans together in one place and slowly pushing outward. Apparently the media is as reticent about Mexicans killing blacks as they are about blacks killing Whites. It doesn’t take long for that word to get around in Mexico, or where Mexicans congregate, because Viva La Raza or something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, in places where blacks dominate and Whites move out, sometimes the Whites are replaced by Mexicans. Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don’t intend to live with blacks but drive them out.
     
    In terms of both territory and jobs.

    I find it hilarious that Trump has much lower favorability among blacks than he does with Hispanics. Big picture stuff doesn't come easy to this group.
    , @john anon
    "Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don’t intend to live with blacks but drive them out. "

    Mexicans avoid black neigborhoods like the plague and only choose them as a last resort. Far from acting as Conquistadors, Mexicans in black neigborhoods are just minding their business and trying to avoid being robbed, beaten, or killed.
  196. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:

    Regarding the “cuckservative” discussion on the Daily Caller, I’m glad to see the Alt-Right finally getting through in some way to the mainstream neocons. I just wish there weren’t so many a–holes among our ranks. Ultimately, it comes down to whether you are a person of good will or not.

  197. @anon
    “cuckservative” is an example of both misdirection and cultural poison via language degradation

    GOP politicians are simply bought to serve corporate interests - nothing else - just bought.

    The reason that they’re cuckservatives is because they’ll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal “power.”

    Cuckservative is the correct term.

    Everybody here needs to start using this term constantly.

    • Replies: @anon
    "Whore" is accurate and has the exact opposite meaning of your meme poison word.

    Proving my point.
    , @Dahlia
    JohnnyWalker123 said,

    The reason that they’re cuckservatives is because they’ll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal “power.”

     

    I saw this blow up on twitter and now I know why you've been so silent over here, lol!

    I read the Daily Caller article on it and those comments- Lord, those comments- and laughed harder than I should have when a "General Dindu" showed up, smh and lol!

    Personally, I cannot see how the appellation can be denied in light of Rotherham and the muted outcry over sex slavery of native British girls numbering over 1,000 in just one town. In their past election, it was hard to see any voters bringing it up on social media, and I was looking for it. The Right didn't say it affected their vote, nor did the Left blame Rotherham for their losses.

    And they're so proud of how nonviolent they are compared to the United States! You're getting your girls raped on an industrial scale and you want a cookie for being tame?
    Bizarro World how badly "cucked" those people are...literally!
  198. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word

    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it’s related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as “white males”, probably not unlike your love of terms like “coal burner” and “mudshark” as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right “white maleness” at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    • Replies: @Ex Machina
    "Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!"

    Armchair psychology at its finest.
    , @anon

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.
     
    It starts as meme poison from the other side but then some people take it up thinking it's benign.

    Everything to do with degrading and bestializing the language is cultural poison by framing.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I counted three all-caps words, eight exclamation points and a "really?" in your post. You write and apparently think like a teenage girl. The word "cuckold" has been used for centuries by men to insult and call out other men in public; you wouldn't understand.
    , @Sunbeam
    "I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!

    Really?"

    I tend to agree with you on the gist of that. I continually see this Heartiste guy referenced by posters here. Not to mention guys like Whiskey, who gives Coates a run in the obsession with black bodies contest.

    I've actually read some of Heartiste writings on his site. I'll use that "really" word to describe my reaction:

    "Really? What a tool."

    But when it comes to blacks... I don't hate them, or feel threatened by them - exactly.

    But from reading the HBD arguments, I've come to believe that absolutely nothing can change blacks. Whatever outstanding or "nice" individual you occasionally run into, in the aggregate the behavior patterns... well they are exactly what we observe and what "folk wisdom" says they are.

    Basically there is a pretty reasonable HBD theory that explains all this, and well while the conventional wisdom of 1880 might sound outlandish today, in reality it was spot on.

    As far as fear goes... I can't say I am scared of bears. But I don't go around them. Nine times out of ten you can videotape them, wave at them, notice how adorable they are.

    On the tenth time they maul you for no readily apparent reason compared to the other times you acted like an idiot. But it isn't their fault, it's yours for being an idiot.

    Then too, my thinking of the current situation is that Blacks determine EVERYTHING. They shape our cities, they shape our political structure, shape our living arrangements, shape our world in a thousand different ways.

    And it's not like they are doing it with some kind of plan or structure. They do it just by being them.

    And HBD has convince me that there is no hope of it ever changing, no amount of money spent will ever alter the basics of what we have now, we are just plain stuck with it.

    So am I obsessed? Or a realist? Guess it is in the eyes of the beholder.

    BTW, I'm not really on the "Right" or "Left." I think of myself as being in the "Pragmatist" party. And I wish our numbers were legion.

    , @Mr. Anon
    "I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right “white maleness” at its most pathetic."


    And all this is from a guy whose screen-name is "Rifleman". Why not just "Manly Man - Really", or "Chuck Connors"?

    Talk about pathetic.

  199. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    That is a center-shot! Why don't the elites get the economics? Is it 'I am too busy to think about this?" Is it stupidity? Is it propaganda?

    The Democrat Party has corrupted the term "middle class" to mean "constituents that vote for the Democrat Party". But do the elites think that reducing the middle class to penury improves their condition? Honestly, the elites have waged war on the middle class for at least forty years. What were they thinking?

    Why don’t the elites get the economics?

    Timing.

    It makes them richer in the short and medium term. It’s only long term the economy grinds to a halt and not everywhere at once – more like a creeping necrosis from city to city – so the oligarchs will be the last people effected.

  200. @Cagey Beast
    You do understand that the word "cuckold" is quite old and long predates the weird porn and swinger culture of today? It's actually got quite a classy provenance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold

    You can use the words "cuckold" and "cuckservative" at the finest social gatherings without feeling the need to blush or lower your voice. Use it at your next garden party to get over one of those uncomfortable pauses in the conversation. Ie: "I say, do you know who's been the most atrocious cuckservative lately?"

    Another great way to liven up the party and chase away those cuckservative blues is to invite some folks from the Donbass militia to do some Cossack dancing: http://thesaker.is/givi-dances-to-cossak-traditional-music/ They're what the French call décomplexé.

    Do you understand framing?

    (and don’t forget the misdirection: the GOP are *bought* by the people who benefit from their betrayal of their voter’s interests – they are not stupid (well some of them are) and not foolish dupes – they are bought.

  201. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    If there was no competition black people would run the local stores – as they used to.

    They can’t evolve because the niche is occupied by people who out-compete them.
     
    Laziness?

    From Albert Schweitzer's NYT obit:

    "I let the Africans pick all the fruit they want," [Schweitzer] said. "You see, the good Lord has protected the trees. He made the Africans too lazy to pick them bare."

    http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0114.html

    If there was no outside competition the most able would run the stores and that would start a Clarkian “Farewell to Alms” type cycle but that can’t happen when the niche is occupied by outsiders (of whatever ethnicity).

    The Star Trek way to deal with Africa would be to set up a Clarkian cycle inside and then quarantine it until it was done.

  202. @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    “Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!”

    Armchair psychology at its finest.

  203. Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years.

    Judaism spent over a thousand years wandering uninvited throughout Christendom – mostly welcomed until they became better known – exploiting and oppressing Christians.

    And, as Ben Tillman so rightly pointed out, the rest of Christendom pulled Jews’ asses out of the fire in WWII, only to have Jews show their gratitude by collectively working to wreck western civilization.

    While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge

    But no more legit than the Christian grudge against Jews.

    Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile.

    Jews made very outsized contributions to rise & reign of the Soviet Union, and its persecutions of European peoples.

    Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians

    Oh, I dunno. The Italians never carpet bombed Jewish neighborhoods, killing women and children and civilians wholesale. That’s what the Jews do to the Palestinians. No way in hell would the Jews ever tolerate Whites treating people in their midst in that fashion.

    And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    Jews have been far too busy claiming all European territory as their own to waste time with terrorism. Their schtick is more slumlordism, exploitation, war profiteering, corruption, etc.

    Like it or not, we’ve assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews.

    What’s this “we” shit. You got a mouse in your pocket? I’m far too busy trying to get people to force the Jews to atone for their crimes against Europeans to worry about Nazi atrocities.

    Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.

    The Palestinians aren’t going anywhere.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Palestinians aren’t going anywhere.

     

    Nobody would take them. Not even other Arabs. Would you?
  204. @JohnnyWalker123
    The reason that they're cuckservatives is because they'll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal "power."

    Cuckservative is the correct term.

    Everybody here needs to start using this term constantly.

    “Whore” is accurate and has the exact opposite meaning of your meme poison word.

    Proving my point.

    • Replies: @Travis
    Agree, cuckservative is not the correct word to describe most of the Republicans in congress....

    Republicans have historically supported immigration, much more so than democrats....while the republicans have betrayed the base of conservatives who oppose massive immigration, the fact is that the Republican contenders for political office rarely make immigration a top issue. I suppose Governor Wilson was the last mainstream republican who attempted to use immigration as a campaign issue. But Republic votes chose Bob Dole to run against Clinton, rejecting Wilson, and Buchanan and the anti-immigration issue

    The Democrats are actually doing more financial and cultural damage to their base of white proles and Blacks....The republicans have always been backed by the many small and large business owners who want more cheap labor and this is why they continue to support more immigration.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    When you prostitute out yourself, you're a whore.

    When you prostitute out your country and the fate of future generations (including the fate of your future descendants), you're getting cucked.

    Cuckservatives are both whores and cucks.

    I'm also happy to use a poisonous word to describe people who are poisoning my country.

    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
  205. I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    You’re an ass.

  206. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    It starts as meme poison from the other side but then some people take it up thinking it’s benign.

    Everything to do with degrading and bestializing the language is cultural poison by framing.

  207. @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    I counted three all-caps words, eight exclamation points and a “really?” in your post. You write and apparently think like a teenage girl. The word “cuckold” has been used for centuries by men to insult and call out other men in public; you wouldn’t understand.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Correction: four all-caps words in Riflegirl's post. Even worse.
  208. @Cagey Beast
    I counted three all-caps words, eight exclamation points and a "really?" in your post. You write and apparently think like a teenage girl. The word "cuckold" has been used for centuries by men to insult and call out other men in public; you wouldn't understand.

    Correction: four all-caps words in Riflegirl’s post. Even worse.

  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Doom
    Actually, in places where blacks dominate and Whites move out, sometimes the Whites are replaced by Mexicans. Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don't intend to live with blacks but drive them out. Its happened all over the SouthWest, and now those Mexicans see new Lebensraum in black cities up North. Word has got around that its easy to take over black neighborhoods, by piling a ton of Mexicans together in one place and slowly pushing outward. Apparently the media is as reticent about Mexicans killing blacks as they are about blacks killing Whites. It doesn't take long for that word to get around in Mexico, or where Mexicans congregate, because Viva La Raza or something.

    Actually, in places where blacks dominate and Whites move out, sometimes the Whites are replaced by Mexicans. Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don’t intend to live with blacks but drive them out.

    In terms of both territory and jobs.

    I find it hilarious that Trump has much lower favorability among blacks than he does with Hispanics. Big picture stuff doesn’t come easy to this group.

  210. @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    “I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!

    Really?”

    I tend to agree with you on the gist of that. I continually see this Heartiste guy referenced by posters here. Not to mention guys like Whiskey, who gives Coates a run in the obsession with black bodies contest.

    I’ve actually read some of Heartiste writings on his site. I’ll use that “really” word to describe my reaction:

    “Really? What a tool.”

    But when it comes to blacks… I don’t hate them, or feel threatened by them – exactly.

    But from reading the HBD arguments, I’ve come to believe that absolutely nothing can change blacks. Whatever outstanding or “nice” individual you occasionally run into, in the aggregate the behavior patterns… well they are exactly what we observe and what “folk wisdom” says they are.

    Basically there is a pretty reasonable HBD theory that explains all this, and well while the conventional wisdom of 1880 might sound outlandish today, in reality it was spot on.

    As far as fear goes… I can’t say I am scared of bears. But I don’t go around them. Nine times out of ten you can videotape them, wave at them, notice how adorable they are.

    On the tenth time they maul you for no readily apparent reason compared to the other times you acted like an idiot. But it isn’t their fault, it’s yours for being an idiot.

    Then too, my thinking of the current situation is that Blacks determine EVERYTHING. They shape our cities, they shape our political structure, shape our living arrangements, shape our world in a thousand different ways.

    And it’s not like they are doing it with some kind of plan or structure. They do it just by being them.

    And HBD has convince me that there is no hope of it ever changing, no amount of money spent will ever alter the basics of what we have now, we are just plain stuck with it.

    So am I obsessed? Or a realist? Guess it is in the eyes of the beholder.

    BTW, I’m not really on the “Right” or “Left.” I think of myself as being in the “Pragmatist” party. And I wish our numbers were legion.

    • Replies: @ingo

    Then too, my thinking of the current situation is that Blacks determine EVERYTHING. They shape our cities, they shape our political structure, shape our living arrangements, shape our world in a thousand different ways.

    And it’s not like they are doing it with some kind of plan or structure. They do it just by being them.

    And HBD has convince me that there is no hope of it ever changing, no amount of money spent will ever alter the basics of what we have now, we are just plain stuck with it.
     
    Planned Parenthood is aborting them as fast as they can. Blacks in the US have the lowest birthrates of blacks anywhere on the planet. In New York city, well over half of all black babies are aborted. Sick, I know, but I think they are trying to get longer lasting user proof methods distributed per the Colorado study.
  211. @anon
    "Whore" is accurate and has the exact opposite meaning of your meme poison word.

    Proving my point.

    Agree, cuckservative is not the correct word to describe most of the Republicans in congress….

    Republicans have historically supported immigration, much more so than democrats….while the republicans have betrayed the base of conservatives who oppose massive immigration, the fact is that the Republican contenders for political office rarely make immigration a top issue. I suppose Governor Wilson was the last mainstream republican who attempted to use immigration as a campaign issue. But Republic votes chose Bob Dole to run against Clinton, rejecting Wilson, and Buchanan and the anti-immigration issue

    The Democrats are actually doing more financial and cultural damage to their base of white proles and Blacks….The republicans have always been backed by the many small and large business owners who want more cheap labor and this is why they continue to support more immigration.

  212. @Dr. Doom
    Actually, in places where blacks dominate and Whites move out, sometimes the Whites are replaced by Mexicans. Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don't intend to live with blacks but drive them out. Its happened all over the SouthWest, and now those Mexicans see new Lebensraum in black cities up North. Word has got around that its easy to take over black neighborhoods, by piling a ton of Mexicans together in one place and slowly pushing outward. Apparently the media is as reticent about Mexicans killing blacks as they are about blacks killing Whites. It doesn't take long for that word to get around in Mexico, or where Mexicans congregate, because Viva La Raza or something.

    “Mexicans have no problem moving to black cities because they don’t intend to live with blacks but drive them out. ”

    Mexicans avoid black neigborhoods like the plague and only choose them as a last resort. Far from acting as Conquistadors, Mexicans in black neigborhoods are just minding their business and trying to avoid being robbed, beaten, or killed.

  213. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @JerseyGuy
    All of the large services firms are doing this now. My accounting firm does this as well (or just outsources a non-trivial part of our engagement work). I know Americans have largely been apathetic regarding globalization up to now but I really do this will change over the next few years as companies start to globalize their labor forces on a massive scale. This will start to get very political in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe.

    I know Americans have largely been apathetic regarding globalization up to now but I really do this will change over the next few years as companies start to globalize their labor forces on a massive scale. This will start to get very political in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe.

    I certainly hope so but I have my doubts. The whole business strikes me as so massive and such a clusterf*ck that I don’t think anything can be done. The US is too big. It’s turned into this ramshackle hydra-headed mess….I don’t know.

    Australia has already done something about illegals, but from what I read, if you are a rich Asian, you’ve got a home in the lucky country. Canada? Gone, baby, gone. Chinese are pouring into the country. Western Europe? Maybe….The US? You have got to be kidding me. They aren’t going to do the dirty labor the Mexicans/Central Americans do, and computing has gotten such a stinky rep that they don’t want to do it. Not to mention Asians dominating all the State u’s (forget about Ivy League, I am referring to Average America)…

    And they are psychologically gelded. Who did Kate Steinle’s family criticize? Trump, for exploiting their daughter’s death! Which he did, and I understand their feelings, but fer crying out loud, could they not have also put in a word against the fiendish politicians who facilitated their daughter’s death??

    Please refute me. I want to be wrong.

  214. @AnotherDad
    "It’s not quite fair to blame the economic stagnation of El Paso and New Mexico on the Mexicans. They’re both in the middle of nowhere surrounded by desert ... "

    Huh? How about Phoenix? Denver? Salt Lake City is truly in the middle of nowhere so far from anywhere that water doesn't even leave ... it goes down to a salt flat and evaporates.

    El Paso has better weather than Phoenix--you give up 10 degrees in the winter and tolerate 60 degree days, but pick it back up in the summer with tolerable 90s temps, instead baking in an oven. Yet Phoenix is booming. (Denver and Salt Lake have worse weather--full continental climate--with genuine winter and still hot summers.)

    Middle of nowhere is plausibly why El Paso never burgeoned in the past. But it's not the issue today in these post-war days of AC and the service economy, when the Phoenix metro is approaching 5 million people.

    Part of the reason is that its too damn hot for blacks, and just about everyone goes armed. Plus the traffic network is likely the best in the SW with multiple backup expressways in case one gets clogged.

    Steve has commented before that Phoenix metro has a SoCal culture as far as entertainment goes but when it comes to politics its akin to Wyoming. Meanwhile Tucson looks like Nogales, MEX and has the politics of San Francisco.

    Most of Arizona is die hard red state, but some blue around ASU and Tucson means that the MSM hasn’t stopped trying to wish Arizona into battleground status.

  215. @ben tillman

    I have a daughter who lives outside of Philly, in Bucks County, so I read the Philadelphia Enquirer. Philly another diverse shithole.
     
    But not Bucks County. It's almost a paradise.

    Ben, Bucks County is one of the few Northeast destinations I would move to. Take the train into NYC or reach the beaches of Delaware and a little further south in an hour and half. The countryside is beautiful.

  216. @Sunbeam
    "I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER “white male” conservatives!!!!

    Really?"

    I tend to agree with you on the gist of that. I continually see this Heartiste guy referenced by posters here. Not to mention guys like Whiskey, who gives Coates a run in the obsession with black bodies contest.

    I've actually read some of Heartiste writings on his site. I'll use that "really" word to describe my reaction:

    "Really? What a tool."

    But when it comes to blacks... I don't hate them, or feel threatened by them - exactly.

    But from reading the HBD arguments, I've come to believe that absolutely nothing can change blacks. Whatever outstanding or "nice" individual you occasionally run into, in the aggregate the behavior patterns... well they are exactly what we observe and what "folk wisdom" says they are.

    Basically there is a pretty reasonable HBD theory that explains all this, and well while the conventional wisdom of 1880 might sound outlandish today, in reality it was spot on.

    As far as fear goes... I can't say I am scared of bears. But I don't go around them. Nine times out of ten you can videotape them, wave at them, notice how adorable they are.

    On the tenth time they maul you for no readily apparent reason compared to the other times you acted like an idiot. But it isn't their fault, it's yours for being an idiot.

    Then too, my thinking of the current situation is that Blacks determine EVERYTHING. They shape our cities, they shape our political structure, shape our living arrangements, shape our world in a thousand different ways.

    And it's not like they are doing it with some kind of plan or structure. They do it just by being them.

    And HBD has convince me that there is no hope of it ever changing, no amount of money spent will ever alter the basics of what we have now, we are just plain stuck with it.

    So am I obsessed? Or a realist? Guess it is in the eyes of the beholder.

    BTW, I'm not really on the "Right" or "Left." I think of myself as being in the "Pragmatist" party. And I wish our numbers were legion.

    Then too, my thinking of the current situation is that Blacks determine EVERYTHING. They shape our cities, they shape our political structure, shape our living arrangements, shape our world in a thousand different ways.

    And it’s not like they are doing it with some kind of plan or structure. They do it just by being them.

    And HBD has convince me that there is no hope of it ever changing, no amount of money spent will ever alter the basics of what we have now, we are just plain stuck with it.

    Planned Parenthood is aborting them as fast as they can. Blacks in the US have the lowest birthrates of blacks anywhere on the planet. In New York city, well over half of all black babies are aborted. Sick, I know, but I think they are trying to get longer lasting user proof methods distributed per the Colorado study.

  217. I like the term cuckservative simply because it’s short, easy, and somewhat vulger. Everyone else plays dirty, why not us?

    However, I also think a HUGE number of Steve’s userbase (Jefferson, Whiskey, AnotherDad, and the various “Anons” specifically) appear motivated almost entirely by fear of being cucked and resentment of white women’s supposed preference for black men (which isn’t real, by the way). It makes us all look bad by association.

  218. @Ivy
    New Mexico has an unofficial nickname, according to some lower income residents: The Land of Entrapment.

    Wages are so low that people have a hard time saving enough after rent, food, transportation and other costs to be able to afford to leave. They say that amassing rent funds to cover first, last and deposit is a big obstacle. One alternative is to hop a bus and stiff the locals on the way to anywhere else. Not much of a life for those unfortunates. Perhaps Santa Fe has its own ideas for a Camp of Saints?

    Not much of a life for those unfortunates. Perhaps Santa Fe has its own ideas for a Camp of Saints?

    Now I understand the nickname; Fanta See.

  219. @Malcolm X-Lax
    OT: Glenn Loury and John McWhorter vent their spleens on Ta-Nehisi Coates and the Guilty White Liberal Industrial Complex. Collateral damage -- Charles Blow, David Brooks and the NY Times. Highly enjoyable.

    http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/36141

    Are Ta-Nehisi Coates and Charles Blow really two different people?

    Has anyone ever seen both of them at the same place at the same time?

    How many black bodies do they really occupy?

    Would anyone be able to distinguish them in a Turing Machine test?

  220. @syonredux

    New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.
     
    The big drawback? It's full of Hispanics:

    GENERATIONS OF EXCLUSION:


    Is a book by two UCLA sociologists, Vila Ortiz and Edward E Telles, published in 2008. It originated in a fair-sized data set (1576 people) collected in 1965, which was rediscovered in 1992. The original respondents and their adult children were interviewed. It shows quite clearly that although second-generation Mexican-Americans averaged more education and higher SES than the first generation, presumably because they knew English, there was no further improvement in the third and fourth generations. The gap remained substantial: the fourth generation had a college completion rate of 6%, compared to a rate of 35% for whites of that same era.

    Which is pretty much what you see in New Mexico too, except that here we’re often talking about the fifth, sixth, and seventh generation living in the US

    I don’t see much sign that the story is greatly different in Central and South America. Mestizos – whose ancestry is part Amerindian and part European (usually Spanish), make up most of the population in those countries. Their PISA scores are low – lower than those of Hispanics in the US. Performance in science and technology is more important than test performance – but Latin America’s low performance is consistent with their low test scores. This showed up in my Zones of Thought map.

    Isn’t there reason to believe that this is all going to change radically for the better in the near future, powered by the strongest force in the Universe, wishful thinking? Nope.

    Nobody knows how to substantially change this picture. Yet.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/generations-of-exclusion/


    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/new-mexico/

    “syon says:

    “”New Mexico has stunning scenery and good weather. As you say, it should be a place that a lot of people want to move to.””

    The big drawback? It’s full of Hispanics:”

    That would seem to be negligable drawback compared to the cities of the southeast, which are hot, humid, bug-infested, and largely black.

  221. @Rifleman

    I want “cuckservative” to be the word of 2015-’16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word “cuckservative” to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka’s last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word
     
    I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many "white guys" especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    Now you want to introduce your own hidden sexual fears into criticisms of OTHER "white male" conservatives!!!!

    Really?

    I know this term and it's related imagery makes you warm and tingly inside as "white males", probably not unlike your love of terms like "coal burner" and "mudshark" as zingers!

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right "white maleness" at its most pathetic.

    I guess I have to believe you guys are serious, but sometimes it seems like a put on or left wing trolling.

    “I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right “white maleness” at its most pathetic.”

    And all this is from a guy whose screen-name is “Rifleman”. Why not just “Manly Man – Really”, or “Chuck Connors”?

    Talk about pathetic.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    And all this is from a guy whose screen-name is “Rifleman”. Why not just “Manly Man – Really”, or “Chuck Connors”?

    Talk about pathetic.
     
    Speaking of Chuck Connors, how about "Branded"?

    ("What do you do when you're branded, and you know you're a man?
    Wherever you go for the rest of your life you must prove ... you're a man.")
  222. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Creative indeed. I remember visiting Hong Kong and being shown a tiny apartment that housed 21 men. They lived in the "house" in shifts. Seven slept, while seven were at work and the other seven were out doing who knows what...Thought that was bizarre until I was shown the harbors with hundreds of Junks tendered together. You had to cross the decks of dozens of boats to reach the docks, and the communal bathrooms. The stench. The stench.

    The stench. The stench.

    I love the stench of freedom in the morning. Smells like Liberty.

  223. SFG says:
    @ben tillman

    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years.
     
    That's a tendentious and amazingly one-sided view of history.

    1. Christendom didn't kill anyone. Your notion of collective guilt is totally bogus and offensive. And stupid, since, of course, by the same token, Christendom saved the Jews.

    2. The six million figure is bogus; it was a number thrown around for several different reasons before any sort of analysis of what had happened had been done. It was a number thrown around before the Nazis even came to power. When the analysis was done by Jewish historians like Reitlinger, Bauer, and Hilberg, they came up with a figure of roughly five million.

    3. You ignore Jewish persecution of non-Jews.

    1. I’ll give you the Nazis were dubiously Christian (the Catholic Church thought Hitler was trying to replace worship of God with himself, which wasn’t that far off). In the end there is always religious conflict between different religions;

    2. So 5 million dead isn’t a big deal? Most numbers I’ve seen have been between 5-6 million, closer to 6, so ‘6 million’ is a rhetorical flourish. The Ukrainian genocide killed 3-7 million, and people have no problem citing that one.

    3. There wasn’t much of that until Jews got their own country again, for obvious reasons. You have to actually be in a position of power to do any persecuting–when they had the chance, they jumped right to it. Jews are no better than any other ethnicity and, I think, no worse.

    What, Communism? Sure, Jews were *heavily involved* in that, but don’t forget there were lots of Russians who were sick of feudalism and their country being backward, and thought things couldn’t get worse (of course, they were wrong), and plenty of European gentiles who were sick of the greed of their crowned heads and capitalists. Just because Communism killed more people than any other ideology in history doesn’t mean it arose out of a vacuum–and the watered-down form of social democracy seems to have worked OK in Northern and Western Europe, without any mass killings.

  224. @Johann Ricke

    Agreed. The Israelis can’t just take stuff from Americans as they do from Palestinians; they have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    Agreed. That the Palestinians notice this fact of life boggles the mind.
     
    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years. While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge, much as an Assyrian might have a grudge against the Muslims who conquered his ancestral lands. Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile. Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back. And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    Like it or not, we've assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews. Ideally, we'd have hacked a Jewish state out of Germany instead of making Arabs pay the price. But that's all water under the bridge now. And it's not as if Arabs are these angels - they're only in the historically Jewish lands the Romans called Palestine because of Muhammad's victorious wars of conquest. Win some, lose some. Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.

    And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.

    That is incorrect

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

    Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians, namely taking land and killing combatants who tried to take the land back.

    Well, them, and whatever non-combatants happen to be in the way of those bombs Israel occasionally drops these days. Probably others, too. But hey, they were asking for it, right?

  225. @Whiskey
    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

    You'd also be with the Western Ukranians trying to eject the Russians out of Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Since, hey, someone took their stuff/land. Also with American Indians taking your house. After all, White Men stole their land and your house ought to belong to some Casino Tribe of Gambling Indians. Or something.

    Palestinians are incapable of peace, as it would require an end to the gangster society that runs the places, one gang in Gaza and another giant street gang in the West Bank. No more donations from the Gulf and Europe and America, no more agitation and attacks and gunmen shooting up things constantly and rival gangs and shakedowns and corruption a plenty. Peace was within their grasp all through the 1970s through the early 2000s. Palestinians would have destroyed themselves with infighting to the death had they settled for a reasonable half a loaf instead of fighting over nothing, or rather fighting to keep fighting as peace would be disaster without foreign aid and an external enemy to keep rivalries at a low boil. Muslims are built for constant fighting, look at Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria. It is the greatest strength and also weakness of Muslim society.

    Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything. Because the benefit of getting most of what was wanted outweighed and endless round of fighting. Muslims just can't make that call. Not ever. Their history is full of things like Syria lasting internally, Muslim on Muslim, for centuries. The Assads and Iran vs. Isis can slaughter each other hundreds of years.

    “Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything.”

    He was assassinated by those who considered that position traitorous.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Re: Michael Collins assassination. It reminds me of that bartender's joke when he was asked to serve a drink long after closing time. He said: "okay, I can make you a Michael Collins: it's one shot and you hit the road".
  226. @Whiskey
    Oh I'm sure the FIRE folks at Chicago, and the guys like Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs have plans. Hopes. Dreams even. But the reality is that a man like De Blasio is Mayor of NYC on the strength of having married a Black woman and having fathered two Mulatto kids with her. Nothing else. And Mayor Rahm squeaked through against a Hispanic when Bertha Lewis was diagnosed with a brain tumor and could not run.

    Money only trumps demographics for a while. Like a dike against a rising sea, eventually it fails. Generally catastrophically. Yes Elites in NYC and Chicago are betting they can run things even as the places turn into mixtures of Mexico, Liberia, and Puerto Rico all rolled into one (well don't forget the Dominican).

    What is the big issue for the Eye of Soros and Black activists? That Blacks should be allowed to fight with police and just walk away with police just meekly surrendering. Because there's a holocaust according to Ta Nehisi Coates of Blacks being murdered in the millions by racist White cops.

    If Memphis and Cinncy and Philly and Detroit and LA burn, what are the odds that NYC and Chicago won't? That De Blasio won't just muzzle cops and say, the heck with Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, he's getting re-elected darn it!

    Thought Experiment: Suppose two weeks before Election Day, De Blasio summarily fired all White cops and replaced them with Black ones. How big a Black turnout and subsequent margin of victory would De Blasio have over any challenger?

    Yeah the Empire lasted a century in the West bribing barbarians, but eventually Rome fell.

    “Bertha Lewis”

    Correction: Karen Lewis

  227. @Mr. Anon
    "I never cease to be in awe of the stupidity and down right GOOFINESS!! of so many “white guys” especially on the right!

    It never ends with you guys. dorks to the grave.

    Your critics already think YOU are motivated by sexual inadequacy, creepiness etc. And that THAT is why you hate blacks and gays and women.

    But I have to say this is just another example of alt-right “white maleness” at its most pathetic."


    And all this is from a guy whose screen-name is "Rifleman". Why not just "Manly Man - Really", or "Chuck Connors"?

    Talk about pathetic.

    And all this is from a guy whose screen-name is “Rifleman”. Why not just “Manly Man – Really”, or “Chuck Connors”?

    Talk about pathetic.

    Speaking of Chuck Connors, how about “Branded”?

    (“What do you do when you’re branded, and you know you’re a man?
    Wherever you go for the rest of your life you must prove … you’re a man.”)

  228. @Hibernian
    "Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything."

    He was assassinated by those who considered that position traitorous.

    Re: Michael Collins assassination. It reminds me of that bartender’s joke when he was asked to serve a drink long after closing time. He said: “okay, I can make you a Michael Collins: it’s one shot and you hit the road”.

  229. @Whiskey
    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

    You'd also be with the Western Ukranians trying to eject the Russians out of Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Since, hey, someone took their stuff/land. Also with American Indians taking your house. After all, White Men stole their land and your house ought to belong to some Casino Tribe of Gambling Indians. Or something.

    Palestinians are incapable of peace, as it would require an end to the gangster society that runs the places, one gang in Gaza and another giant street gang in the West Bank. No more donations from the Gulf and Europe and America, no more agitation and attacks and gunmen shooting up things constantly and rival gangs and shakedowns and corruption a plenty. Peace was within their grasp all through the 1970s through the early 2000s. Palestinians would have destroyed themselves with infighting to the death had they settled for a reasonable half a loaf instead of fighting over nothing, or rather fighting to keep fighting as peace would be disaster without foreign aid and an external enemy to keep rivalries at a low boil. Muslims are built for constant fighting, look at Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria. It is the greatest strength and also weakness of Muslim society.

    Put it this way, Michael Collins and others settled for a mostly independent Ireland with most though not all of Ireland outside direct British rule instead demanding everything. Because the benefit of getting most of what was wanted outweighed and endless round of fighting. Muslims just can't make that call. Not ever. Their history is full of things like Syria lasting internally, Muslim on Muslim, for centuries. The Assads and Iran vs. Isis can slaughter each other hundreds of years.

    I assume then you agree with Muslims demanding Al Andulus back, as a Muslim kingdom, and also the South of France, Sicily, much of Italy, all of the Balkans, Southern Poland, most of Austria, most of Russia, as all were once ruled by Muslims. From a brief few years to centuries, depending on the place.

    What? Spain belongs to Spaniards? Zionist!

  230. @Svigor

    Christendom killed 6m Jews and, prior to that, persecuted them for over a thousand years.
     
    Judaism spent over a thousand years wandering uninvited throughout Christendom - mostly welcomed until they became better known - exploiting and oppressing Christians.

    And, as Ben Tillman so rightly pointed out, the rest of Christendom pulled Jews' asses out of the fire in WWII, only to have Jews show their gratitude by collectively working to wreck western civilization.

    While Christians are not unique in persecuting non-believers, the fact remains that they have a legit grudge
     
    But no more legit than the Christian grudge against Jews.

    Italians massacred large numbers of Jews and drove them into exile.
     
    Jews made very outsized contributions to rise & reign of the Soviet Union, and its persecutions of European peoples.

    Both of these are far greater impositions than what the Israelis did to the Palestinians
     
    Oh, I dunno. The Italians never carpet bombed Jewish neighborhoods, killing women and children and civilians wholesale. That's what the Jews do to the Palestinians. No way in hell would the Jews ever tolerate Whites treating people in their midst in that fashion.

    And yet the terror attacks by Jews against Christians are non-existent, let alone those who do business with Christians.
     
    Jews have been far too busy claiming all European territory as their own to waste time with terrorism. Their schtick is more slumlordism, exploitation, war profiteering, corruption, etc.

    Like it or not, we’ve assumed the task of atoning for Nazi atrocities against Jews.
     
    What's this "we" shit. You got a mouse in your pocket? I'm far too busy trying to get people to force the Jews to atone for their crimes against Europeans to worry about Nazi atrocities.

    Plenty of other Arab lands (also won through bloody Muslim Arab military campaigns) for them to move to.
     
    The Palestinians aren't going anywhere.

    The Palestinians aren’t going anywhere.

    Nobody would take them. Not even other Arabs. Would you?

  231. Dahlia says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The reason that they're cuckservatives is because they'll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal "power."

    Cuckservative is the correct term.

    Everybody here needs to start using this term constantly.

    JohnnyWalker123 said,

    The reason that they’re cuckservatives is because they’ll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal “power.”

    I saw this blow up on twitter and now I know why you’ve been so silent over here, lol!

    I read the Daily Caller article on it and those comments- Lord, those comments- and laughed harder than I should have when a “General Dindu” showed up, smh and lol!

    Personally, I cannot see how the appellation can be denied in light of Rotherham and the muted outcry over sex slavery of native British girls numbering over 1,000 in just one town. In their past election, it was hard to see any voters bringing it up on social media, and I was looking for it. The Right didn’t say it affected their vote, nor did the Left blame Rotherham for their losses.

    And they’re so proud of how nonviolent they are compared to the United States! You’re getting your girls raped on an industrial scale and you want a cookie for being tame?
    Bizarro World how badly “cucked” those people are…literally!

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    To me, the "cuckold" part of cuckservatism is cultural more than it's just about who's having sex with whose women. Mainstream, pro-business "conservatives" have totally rolled over and given up to the PC crowd on social and moral questions. I made this post a while ago about the epidemic of White guys trying to win social approval by groveling to other people's heroes: http://www.unz.com/isteve/a-ceo-on-ceocracy-the-party-of-the-ceos-is-emerging/?highlight=rubik#comment-914654

    Of course not all of those guys would consider themselves mainstream conservatives but the MBA students and Australian commercial real estate developers must at least. They're practicing cultural cuckservatism.

  232. The poisoners are motivated by a mixture of simple racial hatred for white people and a jealous lust/hate – that’s why their meme poison so often revolves around sex.

    Although this discussion did serve as a successful distraction from the reasons behind the population movements described in the OP: illegal immigration in the short term and in the medium term the economic necrosis caused by wage suppression.

  233. @Dahlia
    JohnnyWalker123 said,

    The reason that they’re cuckservatives is because they’ll whore themselves and their country out, in return for money and nominal “power.”

     

    I saw this blow up on twitter and now I know why you've been so silent over here, lol!

    I read the Daily Caller article on it and those comments- Lord, those comments- and laughed harder than I should have when a "General Dindu" showed up, smh and lol!

    Personally, I cannot see how the appellation can be denied in light of Rotherham and the muted outcry over sex slavery of native British girls numbering over 1,000 in just one town. In their past election, it was hard to see any voters bringing it up on social media, and I was looking for it. The Right didn't say it affected their vote, nor did the Left blame Rotherham for their losses.

    And they're so proud of how nonviolent they are compared to the United States! You're getting your girls raped on an industrial scale and you want a cookie for being tame?
    Bizarro World how badly "cucked" those people are...literally!

    To me, the “cuckold” part of cuckservatism is cultural more than it’s just about who’s having sex with whose women. Mainstream, pro-business “conservatives” have totally rolled over and given up to the PC crowd on social and moral questions. I made this post a while ago about the epidemic of White guys trying to win social approval by groveling to other people’s heroes: http://www.unz.com/isteve/a-ceo-on-ceocracy-the-party-of-the-ceos-is-emerging/?highlight=rubik#comment-914654

    Of course not all of those guys would consider themselves mainstream conservatives but the MBA students and Australian commercial real estate developers must at least. They’re practicing cultural cuckservatism.

  234. @anon
    "Whore" is accurate and has the exact opposite meaning of your meme poison word.

    Proving my point.

    When you prostitute out yourself, you’re a whore.

    When you prostitute out your country and the fate of future generations (including the fate of your future descendants), you’re getting cucked.

    Cuckservatives are both whores and cucks.

    I’m also happy to use a poisonous word to describe people who are poisoning my country.

    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.
    Cuckservatives.

  235. @Cagey Beast
    I want "cuckservative" to be the word of 2015-'16. I want to hear media outlets like NPR, The New Yorker, PBS and the CBC feel the need to explain it to their sheltered older audiences. I want the word "cuckservative" to turn the world world upside down like Willy Wonka's last golden ticket. I want Glen Beck to cry about the word and for David Frum to claim it was refined in Iranian centrifuges and made using Neville Chamberlain's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. I want Barbara Bush to hear the word.

    This is quite possibly one of the best comments I’ve ever read.

    I’m bookmarking this.

  236. @bigred2000
    Connecticut is really getting left behind. Basically the whole state is included on that map. I've heard there's some Connecticut to new Hampshire migration, like I'm sure there is further south and west. Seems like one place where democrat policies have had very negative consequences.

    Here in Portland Maine there are a *lot* of Connecticut license plates around, for sure more than Massachusetts or any other state. Ive never specifically asked these people why they moved, but at least one of them told me he wanted to live in a safer area.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Here in Portland Maine there are a *lot* of Connecticut license plates around, for sure more than Massachusetts or any other state.
     
    In NYC 35 years ago, I noticed a lot of pricey sports cars with Vermont plates. On later visits to Chicago, similar cars sported Iowa plates. Gee, there's something about a spot of green that makes your vehicle cheaper to insure.
  237. @syonredux

    Most people who are an Italian/Northern European mix identify a lot more with their Italian side than their Northern European side. Robert De Niro for example is only a quarter Italian, but that is the ancestry he most strongly identifies with.
     
    That doesn't seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know.

    “That doesn’t seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know.”

    Most Italian-Irish mixes identify more with their Italian side. The half Irish Henry Hill for example never wanted to join the Irish mob, he always wanted to be a member of La Cosa Nostra.

    The half Irish John Travolta became famous in the 1970s for playing characters with Italian last names like Manero and Barbarino. He did not become famous for playing characters with Irish last name likes O’Malley or MacAteer.

    When the subject of America is a nation of immigrants comes up, Chris Christie talks way more about his Italian ancestry than he does his Irish ancestry. The last time he was on Fox’s “The Five” he talked about his Italian grandfather coming to America on a boat, but no mention of his Irish ancestors.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Has Bruce ever said anything about his Springsteens, who have been here since the 17th century?

    I remember when people would be proud of such a heritage.
  238. @JD

    No Florida city made the list. Florida seems like one of those states that once you move there, you never want to leave even if you can afford to do so.
     
    I don't know. I lived in So Fl for around 6 years. Hated it. Flat, humid, and a decidedly third world vibe. Couldn't wait to leave. Moved to mountains and dry weather.

    “I don’t know. I lived in So Fl for around 6 years. Hated it. Flat, humid, and a decidedly third world vibe. Couldn’t wait to leave. Moved to mountains and dry weather.”

    You are still in the Minority. There is a reason Florida’s population is getting larger, not smaller. Florida is the extreme opposite of Detroit which at one time had a population of almost 2 million people but now is down to 680 thousand people.

    I can see why Florida is such a popular destination for Americans to start a new life in, it has no individual income tax, it never gets as cold as North Dakota and Minnesota, the beach water is actually warm enough to swim in without a wetsuit, lots of amusement parks if you are in Orlando, it has one of the best night life scenes in the world if you are in Miami Beach, etc.

  239. @Sleep
    Here in Portland Maine there are a *lot* of Connecticut license plates around, for sure more than Massachusetts or any other state. Ive never specifically asked these people why they moved, but at least one of them told me he wanted to live in a safer area.

    Here in Portland Maine there are a *lot* of Connecticut license plates around, for sure more than Massachusetts or any other state.

    In NYC 35 years ago, I noticed a lot of pricey sports cars with Vermont plates. On later visits to Chicago, similar cars sported Iowa plates. Gee, there’s something about a spot of green that makes your vehicle cheaper to insure.

  240. @Jefferson
    "That doesn’t seem to be the case with various Irish-Italian mixes that I know."

    Most Italian-Irish mixes identify more with their Italian side. The half Irish Henry Hill for example never wanted to join the Irish mob, he always wanted to be a member of La Cosa Nostra.

    The half Irish John Travolta became famous in the 1970s for playing characters with Italian last names like Manero and Barbarino. He did not become famous for playing characters with Irish last name likes O'Malley or MacAteer.

    When the subject of America is a nation of immigrants comes up, Chris Christie talks way more about his Italian ancestry than he does his Irish ancestry. The last time he was on Fox's "The Five" he talked about his Italian grandfather coming to America on a boat, but no mention of his Irish ancestors.

    Has Bruce ever said anything about his Springsteens, who have been here since the 17th century?

    I remember when people would be proud of such a heritage.

  241. @Glossy
    His father left the family when he was a kid and he hates him for it. It's a common story. The politically correct flight from uptight could have been a subconscious influence too I guess. But when asked about it De Blasio just says that his father was a deadbeat alcoholic and that he was really brought up by his mother's family, the De Blasios.

    We could call him Billy D. Wilhelm.

    The New York Post calls Bill de Blasio (Warren Wilhelm, Jr.) “Kaiser Bill” which is witty and appropriate.

  242. Jay says:
    @Anonymous
    Florida hicks, though? Florida hicks aren't really the salt of the earth types like the hicks elsewhere.

    Man, you got that right. My immediate ancestors were country people from northwest Alabama. The kind that had a whole room full of canned vegetables they had put up during the summer, plenty of beef in the pastures, and cash in the bank. Florida country people are nothing like that. Their behaviors were formed by an extractive economy: timber cutting and free-ranging cattle. They expect much more of a free ride than country people whom I have known in the upland South.

  243. “…I am deeply troubled by the lack of action by the European Union and the way that Italy has been left to fend for itself very unfairly,”

    fend
    \ˈfend\
    verb
    transitive verb
    1 :defend
    2 :to keep or ward off :repel —often used with off (fend off an invader)

  244. @Anonymous
    What about Minneapolis/ St. Paul and Nashville? Nashville is sickeningly diverse, probably more diverse than Memphis. I know Nashville has grown. I used to live there. My son rents my old house there. He tells me Nashville is booming with new construction. As for Minneapolis, I've read about the african invasion. Is it's population declining?

    As for Minneapolis, I’ve read about the african invasion. Is it’s population declining?

    No. The city proper stabilized decades ago, at about 80% of its 1950 peak. Fewer people, more households.

    The Africans are mostly self-segregating. As I’ve noted before here, the really scary Africans didn’t come here from Addis Ababa, Asmara, or Mogadishu, but from Chicago, Detroit and St Louis.

  245. @Whiskey
    A more robust theory with greater explanation power would be that the more non-White an urban area gets, the more people who can flee do flee. After all, ultra-high cost Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco are not exactly begging for people. Its just that lots of ultra poor Mexican day labor and vibrant people from places like Ferguson have not seen yet to crowd into ultra expensive areas that are culturally hostile to the peasant culture of say, Michoacan or the Mississippi Delta as interpreted by South Central LA.

    A place like El Paso (was there briefly) is extremely unpleasant, dominated by the peasant culture of Mexico, not much there in terms of a mate market for young Whites or employment that is high paying or even stuff like Bush Housing Bubble Vegas construction.

    Eventually of course even the Pacific Northwest edge cities will be over-run by diversity, of the Mexican rather than the Black kind, would be the smart bet. But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large.

    “But they can continue for some time. NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis etc. are all doomed to Ferguson writ large”.

    NYC & Chicago will be fine since they are international commerce & media centers that steadily export undertow populations into outlying areas. Memphis bottomed out years ago and should hold steady for at least couple more decades now that Whites are moving into and establishing businesses the less dangerous urban neighborhoods. Memphis is the most laid back dangerous city in the US. The ultra-violence and mayhem on the 10PM news is regarded as background noise until it hits home, which it eventually does. Most living here know of someone close who has been affected by black on White violent crime.

  246. @Anonymous
    Isn't the Yellowstone supervolcano right under Wyoming?

    Sure. And if it goes off, the kill zone will be the entire United States. So, put that fact in the moot-points column.

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