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From the NYT Op-Ed page:

The Census and Right-Wing Hysteria
By HERBERT J. GANS MAY 11, 2017

Several years ago, the Census Bureau began to predict that the United States would become a majority-minority nation by the 2040s — that African- and Asian-Americans, as well as Latinos, would outnumber non-Hispanic whites. Last year the census underlined its prediction by announcing that non-Hispanic white babies under the age of 1 were already in the minority.

These numbers have become a handy data point for whites fearful that they are being threatened and “overwhelmed” by a growing tide of darker-skinned people. In this way, the census may have unintentionally increased white racism, thereby justifying the longstanding Republican strategy of turning itself into a whites-first party. White fears probably even helped Donald Trump win the 2016 election.

Nonetheless, the “minority-majority” forecast, as it is commonly interpreted, is likely to be proven wrong. Not only could whites remain a majority well past midcentury, but they will retain political, economic and cultural control of the country long after that.

Simply put, the demographers have not taken into account how the perception of race is likely to change in the coming years. For example, whites are already seeing the descendants of some Asian and Latino immigrants as being similar to them.

Actually, during the I Love Lucy era, non-Hispanic whites tended to see Hispanics as more white than they do now. Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white, and whites accommodated them: for example, the 1950 and 1960 Census didn’t break out Hispanics at all, merely lumping virtually all of them in with whites. It was only with the Civil Rights movement, that the government went back to counting them separately in 1970.

Consequently, whites treat them as white. This “whitening” process will only increase in the future.

Happy 90th birthday to Dr. Gans, but I can’t help but think that he’s missed noticing the modern “Flight from White.” America isn’t like it was when he arrived as refugee from Nazis in 1940 and it was prudent to downplay your diversityness.

Since 1969, the government and the culture hand out affirmative action money and prizes to people who claim to be Diverse, so self-interested persons of mixed descent tend to push hard on claims to the most rewarded identities.

For example, there was the recent case of a Hawaiian-born individual who until his mid-20s was largely thought of by his friends as “just another mixed kid” or “international” or “multicultural.” But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing a 150,000 word memoir about his ties to the African father he barely knew called “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

And things worked out really well for him. White people loved this guy who was raised by whites and Asians but who claimed to be black on the 2010 Census. They even made him President and then paid him $400,000 per speech.

Not surprisingly, groups that were officially classified as white have been demanding to have the government count them as nonwhite. South Asians got themselves moved from Caucasian to Oriental/Asian in 1982 to make them eligible for minority business development privileges from the government. Arabs have been trying to get themselves declared nonwhite for the 2020 Census. No blue-blooded Conquistador-American group has ever offered to give up their legal minority status just because they take pride in their whiteness.

Politically, things are a little more complicated, however. The basic Democratic strategy is to use immigration to inflate the Coalition of the Fringes and keep them united by focusing hate toward Evil CisHet White Males. The Republicans will be stuck being the White Party in an age when the media demonizes whites (e.g., with constant reporting of hate hoaxes as genuine hate crimes).

But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement. The Democrats paid the price in 2016 as blacks couldn’t be bothered to come out in large numbers to vote for a nonblack.

The Democrats may wind up being seen as the Black Party. To a lot of white people, it probably sounds awesome to be loyal to the Black Party, but I suspect a smaller percentage of Hispanics and Asians share those feelings.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement.”

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    And "Hapas" (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)
     

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     
    , @JW Bell
    What UC has blacks?
    , @Old fogey
    Good news! Thanks for letting us know.
    , @Pat Boyle
    It is appropriate that Asians ally with Caucasians. Democrats often try to split off Asians from whites by referring to blacks, browns and yellows as 'people of color'. But that makes little sense either racially, historically or socially.

    Luigi Cavalli-Sforza speaks of the five major races of humanity as a hand. On that hand Europeans and Asians are fingers but the Africans are the thumb - meaning the appendage most different from the others. China and Europe are far apart geographically but not so much genetically.

    Another way to think of this is historically. Mankind developed in Africa but some groups split off. The groups that left early became Denisovans and Neanderthals. Later - only a few tens of thousands of years ago - anatomically modern humans arose in Africa and sent out another pulse of humans. The Africans stayed behind. So now we have a world with high IQ northern peoples (Europeans and East Asians) and we still have lower IQ people who never left.

    Then when you look at modern America one way to classify people is to divide the educated high income people from those who struggle in both school and the workplace. Chinese, Japanese and Koreans currently vote Democratic. But that is not likely to continue for long. All these East Asians were until quite recently oppressed by the white establishment (see old episodes of 'Kung Fu'). But today my doctor is Korean and a lot of local stock brokers are Chinese (San Francisco Bay Area).

    iSteve is probably right - they will gravitate toward whites. There were no Japanese in the streets of Ferguson or Baltimore. The last time anyone can remember Asians in a riot were the Korean grocers on top of their stores during the Rodney King riots, shooting at the blacks.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Relevant:

    Why Legal Chinese Immigrants Support Trump

    And as noted, the Chinese elite tend to support Trump as bemoaned by one liberal commentator because "they lack understanding of political correctness."
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  2. whorefinder says: • Website

    It’s like the NY Times (“Punch anyone who works for white rights! They’re Nazis!”) realized that white worries about demographic replacement isn’t something to shout “racist!” at or laugh about or taunt whites with, but attempt to dismiss using left-wing jiu-jitsui rhetoric.

    Shorter NY Times:

    “Pay no attention to the immigrants behind the curtain!”

    Unfortunately for those violent chuckleheads, no one concerned about white demographic replacement is listening to the NY Times.

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Drawing an analogy between modern day America and the Nazis requires that you can't count.

    I was born in Washington DC our capital city. It is a black majority city. In the country as a whole there is about thirteen percent of the population who are negroes. But in 1933 Germany Jews were only about three quarters of one percent of German people and their capital city Berlin which had the highest concentration of Jews had only about four percent Jewish citizens.

    The Nazis picked on a tiny fraction of their people. It would be as if we decided to move against the Eskimos.
    , @Anon
    Race-ists are noble Placists. They have a sense of place.

    Globalists are ugly Replacists. They deny a people their right of place.

    Replacism is just softer form of Ethnic Cleansing.
  3. Travis says:

    The census has been pushing the narrative for the last 5 years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/whites-account-for-under-half-of-births-in-us.html

    MAY 17, 2012 – NY Times
    WASHINGTON — After years of speculation, estimates and projections, the Census Bureau has made it official: White births are no longer a majority in the United States.

    Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 49.6 percent of all births in the 12-month period that ended in July 2011, according to Census Bureau data made public on Thursday, while minorities — including Hispanics, blacks, Asians and those of mixed race — reached 50.4 percent, representing a majority for the first time in the country’s history….Minorities accounted for 92 percent of the nation’s population growth in the decade that ended in 2010, Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.
     
    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet.....
  4. For example, there was the recent case of a Hawaiian-born individual who until his mid-20s was largely thought of by his friends as “just another mixed kid” or “international” or “multicultural.” But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing a 150,000 word memoir about his ties to the African father he barely knew called “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

    I know a classmate of Obama’s at Punahou who after the first inauguration told me that Barry was thought of as Polynesian by his classmates, including her. He could pass for a mixed Polynesian/Melanesian Fijian type.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder

    I know a classmate of Obama’s at Punahou who after the first inauguration told me that Barry was thought of as Polynesian by his classmates, including her. He could pass for a mixed Polynesian/Melanesian Fijian type.
     
    That was probably Barry's schtick to get laid back before he moved to the mainland U.S. He was trying to "pass" so that various girls who wouldn't date a black would date him. Non-whites are ruthless in their exclusion of blacks as possible boyfriends/dates/lovers, especially when their families are around. The non-white population of Hawaii (native Hawaiian, Japanese, Samoan, etc.) would have been, ahem, more than little upset at a black kid moving in on their girls.

    (And even if he was trying to play for the other team, this would've played better. Gays are ruthlessly racist)

    It wasn't till Barry got to Occidental/Columbia that he dropped this schtick because being the Corporate Negro ,, as many (((whites))/lefty whites preferred having a token black friend/boyfriend over a polynesian buddy. And then the political benefits kicked in.

  5. ‘… Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white…’

    Um, Mozart’s third concerto for bongos? I don’t think so:

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    ‘… Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white…’

    Um, Mozart’s third concerto for bongos? I don’t think so:
     
    Simple test, dear fellow. Had Desi Arnaz been regarded as non-White in the '50s, the I Love Lucy show would never have been broadcast.....
    , @CAL
    I'm just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.

    As syonredux said, if Desi was seen as a POC, that show never would have been aired.
    , @Alec Leamas
    This is the equivalent of the Righteous Brothers.

    It's a Criollo Cuban playing African/Indian fusion music.
    , @Flip
    He looks like he could be from Spain, Italy, or Greece.
    , @Desiderius
    That was one smooth dude.
    , @Anonymous
    Watching White-As-The-Driven-Snow Desi playing the bongos (origin: possibly Central Africa) only serves as a reminder of the fact that Kooba was always controlled by whites up to and including the Fidel era while the Negros cut sugar cane, played "beisbol" and ate rice and beans. Arnaz himself came from a family with mucho dinero , so "Loosie" knew a deep pocket when she saw one.
  6. The issue is not that they are darker.
    The issues are that they are more violent, indolent and more parasitic upon the productive who pay the taxes.

    Anybody ever seen a breakout of taxes paid by race?

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  7. Stealth says:

    LOL. “…majority minority…”

    If there is no majority group in a country, that country is one hundred percent minority, not majority minority. How do they come up with this crap?

    Oh, I forgot; liberals have their own definition of that word, that they created out of thin air without consulting the rest of us. They’re really bad about that, you know. They’ll take a common word and change the meaning of it. For instance, “refugee” simply means “immigrant.”

    This is especially true of words and expressions originated by enemies of the left. At one point, “immigration reform” meant putting an end to illegal immigration and reducing the legal kind. Now it means putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a Path to Citizenship and dramatically increasing the number of legal immigrants. “Politically correct” referred to white guilt and other toxic BS liberals shoved down our throats, but the liberals got a hold of that one, too, and before you knew it Bill Maher was using Politically Incorrect as the title for his television show. I guess they think it means straight talk or something.

    Word hijacking, man.

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    > word jacking
    Yes, and eg NPR was well down the road of calling illegals, just, 'immigrants' for a while. I think they had to step back to be clear as to who Trump was deporting.
  8. Yan Shen says:

    Steve countering Dr. Gans by highlighting the phenomenon of the retreat from white by non-European Caucasian groups actually goes to the heart of a few key points that I’ve been making on this blog and elsewhere, in particular something which I referred to as the 21st century’s Great Cultural Divergence.

    Not surprisingly, groups that were officially classified as white have been demanding to have the government count them as nonwhite. South Asians got themselves moved from Caucasian to Oriental/Asian in 1982 to make them eligible for minority business development privileges from the government.

    This kind of ties into the point I’ve been making that the so called hijacking of the SJW movement by Asians is actually disproportionately by Caucasian South Asian ethnic groups, hence a phenomenon that I uh referred to as Caucasian-on-Caucasian crime. Or to amend Steve’s explanation of the situation, “Non-Asian Non-Tiger Cub Caucasians”, along with fellow Hispanic and black Americans in this country more or less own the SJW racket. Apart from a handful of Jeff Guos, East Asian Americans mostly skew towards STEM and away from all of that other silliness, including business, politics, and media.

    Now going back to the phenomenon of the retreat from white and the general prevalence of left wing insanity in this country. Using multi-racial America as a microcosm for the global whole, it’s become fairly apparent to me and to others like Tiger Mom, etc. that postmodern leftist memes have hijacked and colonized the minds of non-East Asians in a way that East Asians have largely been immune to. I offered up the example of the Asian guy in the library to illustrate exactly the heart of this increasing schism between Confucian and non-Confucian cultures, a schism that I argued could indeed have importance consequences over the coming decades in the 21st century.

    Dr. Gans thinks that the future of America won’t be nearly so bad as some on the right fear because of increasing acceptance of and self identification by traditionally non-white groups as white or at the very least white enough. First as Steve argues, there’s an increasing tendency for non-white Caucasian groups to identify as non-white as opposed to white, thus empirically contradicting the thrust of Mr. Gans’ argument that the opposite would happen and that that would lead to increased unity in this country.

    [MORE]

    But alas, all of this misses the point. That America may well be on the path towards devolving into another Brazil 100 years from now is really just the symptom of the memetic colonization of rational minds by the deadliest and most virulent of parasites. This colonization is itself the actual underlying disease, the “browning” of America merely one of the manifested symptoms. I may need to make the argument more forcefully both here and elsewhere, but really the cure for all of this insanity isn’t right white populism or white nationalism or whatever else the media seems to believe has risen in response to the liberal status quo in America. It’s Confucianism.

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement.

    What we really need and what the national conversation really should be directed towards is a fundamental reorientation of our national mindset. Tiger Mother was merely the opening salvo in what I believe may be the last best hope for curing ourselves of the pervasive sickness that seems to have afflicted so many people in this country. Confucianism, or at least a form modified for the cultural idiosyncrasies of specific non-Confucian cultures may be just what the doctor ordered. It’s not that America should distance itself from black cultural proclivities as a way of moving forward in the 21st century, but rather that we should all strive to be moving away from postmodern leftist insanity towards the saner and more fertile grounds inhabited by such individuals as Tiger Mom, Yan Shen, Asian guy in the library etc etc.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Confucianism has good and bad points, but in the context of America it doesn't matter.

    America will never be Confusion. I think it's safe to say there has never been a society in human history that is less in tune with Confucius than the contemporary USA.

    There is a better chance conservative Christianity will make a sudden comeback and correct the current ills - Instead of the zero percent possibility with Confusianism we are perhaps looking at a .00000000001 % possibility.
    , @Thea
    why adopt a foreign philosophy when we had a form of Christianity for our people that sustained us for centuries? Few Americans understand let alone embrace Confucius.

    We either return to our roots or we are finished.

    , @AnotherDad
    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it's the West--WEIRD socities--that are susceptible.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism--great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much--have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people's Confucian heritage--then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

  9. newrouter says:

    Mr.Sailer @ 6 minute mark and forward:

    https://www.steynonline.com/7791/tomorrow-by-the-numbers

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    here too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=MTSBEc4JJSQ
    , @AnotherDad
    Thanks newrouter. I'm more of a reading guy than video guy, and Steve has covered this territory in depth. But i'm slightly under the weather so sucking down my afternoon tea listen to Mr. Steyn laying out the demographic disaster for Europe, was as "pleasurable"--not quite the right word given how depressing--a time-killer as any other.
  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Perception of race,” huh. You see, it’s not browning … it’s whitening! This is just another iteration of the kosher sandwich: demonize whites while constantly distorting their official classification.

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  11. Well, I am here.

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    Your comment reminds me of that Powers Boothe line in Tombstone.
  12. syonredux says:
    @Travis
    The census has been pushing the narrative for the last 5 years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/whites-account-for-under-half-of-births-in-us.html

    MAY 17, 2012 - NY Times
    WASHINGTON — After years of speculation, estimates and projections, the Census Bureau has made it official: White births are no longer a majority in the United States.

    Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 49.6 percent of all births in the 12-month period that ended in July 2011, according to Census Bureau data made public on Thursday, while minorities — including Hispanics, blacks, Asians and those of mixed race — reached 50.4 percent, representing a majority for the first time in the country’s history....Minorities accounted for 92 percent of the nation’s population growth in the decade that ended in 2010, Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.

    Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.

    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet…..

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    yeah, i've never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    As to Ricky Ricardo and that drum number, it's pretty darn foreign. I like hearing it once, but that's enough. Definitely not sustainable, at least for this whitey.
    , @Travis
    I have never seen Ozzie and Harriet.
    The 50s shows have seen - Leave it to Beaver, I love Lucy and the Honeymooners. They were on TV on the VHF channels in the 80s. We did not have cable until 1987.

    I am 47 , probably nobody under the age of 50 has seen Ozzie and Harriet.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet…..
     
    I'm 46 years old, and have never encountered "Ozzie and Harriet" in any context, other than as a sort of leftoid critique of normal family life. People half my age will dismissively reference "Ozzie and Harriet," and I'm pretty darn sure that none of them have ever seen the show. They've been deploying this trope for as long as I can recall ie., since about 1980. I suspect it was already pretty stale, even at that time.
  13. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas

    For example, there was the recent case of a Hawaiian-born individual who until his mid-20s was largely thought of by his friends as “just another mixed kid” or “international” or “multicultural.” But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing a 150,000 word memoir about his ties to the African father he barely knew called “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”
     
    I know a classmate of Obama's at Punahou who after the first inauguration told me that Barry was thought of as Polynesian by his classmates, including her. He could pass for a mixed Polynesian/Melanesian Fijian type.

    I know a classmate of Obama’s at Punahou who after the first inauguration told me that Barry was thought of as Polynesian by his classmates, including her. He could pass for a mixed Polynesian/Melanesian Fijian type.

    That was probably Barry’s schtick to get laid back before he moved to the mainland U.S. He was trying to “pass” so that various girls who wouldn’t date a black would date him. Non-whites are ruthless in their exclusion of blacks as possible boyfriends/dates/lovers, especially when their families are around. The non-white population of Hawaii (native Hawaiian, Japanese, Samoan, etc.) would have been, ahem, more than little upset at a black kid moving in on their girls.

    (And even if he was trying to play for the other team, this would’ve played better. Gays are ruthlessly racist)

    It wasn’t till Barry got to Occidental/Columbia that he dropped this schtick because being the Corporate Negro ,, as many (((whites))/lefty whites preferred having a token black friend/boyfriend over a polynesian buddy. And then the political benefits kicked in.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Which is so strange. Who wouldn't want a polynesian buddy? They are about the nicest, most laid back people in the world. Very funny, and obviously absolute terrors in a bar brawl. I've always been grateful for my hawaiian/samoan friends.
  14. newrouter says:
    @newrouter
    Mr.Sailer @ 6 minute mark and forward:

    https://www.steynonline.com/7791/tomorrow-by-the-numbers

    here too:

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  15. syonredux says:
    @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    ‘… Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white…’

    Um, Mozart’s third concerto for bongos? I don’t think so:

    Simple test, dear fellow. Had Desi Arnaz been regarded as non-White in the ’50s, the I Love Lucy show would never have been broadcast…..

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    • Replies: @Alden
    If Lucy and Dezi had been 30 years younger and made the show in the 1980s the Hispanic stereotype watchdog groups would have driven the show off the air after the first episode.

    Imagine it, Mrs Ricardo is an anglo redhead! Their friends are Anglos.! Ricky is stereotyped with his black hair and accent! Ricky is White not Indian!
    Stone them to death!!!!!
  16. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    "But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement."

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school's Facebook page.

    I think it's already starting to happen.

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.

    And “Hapas” (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don't tell me about it.
    , @Flip
    Kate Beckinsale is one eighth Burmese but you can't really see it.
    , @3g4me
    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve's "citizenism," and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one's adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one's genetic heritage.
    , @Jefferson
    "And “Hapas” (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc"

    I remember Keanu Reeves was called a Whiteboy in the Vibrantly Diverse urban inner city film Street Kings.
  17. Stealth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Well, I am here.

    Your comment reminds me of that Powers Boothe line in Tombstone.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Brevity is the soul of wit and all. Tombstone was a great movie.
  18. @syonredux

    Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.
     
    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet.....

    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    As to Ricky Ricardo and that drum number, it’s pretty darn foreign. I like hearing it once, but that’s enough. Definitely not sustainable, at least for this whitey.

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    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?
     
    I was born in 1980, and I've never seen a single episode. I have, though, seen some episodes of Leave It To Beaver.....but, for some odd reason, SJWs never mention Leave It To Beaver.....
    , @Old fogey
    I saw a few Ozzie and Harriet shows, but never cared for them. There were a number of programs at that same time that featured silly and bumbling father figures with all-knowing mothers. None of them rang true to me. Oh, and I'm in my 80th year.
    , @ScarletNumber
    The irony of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet being forgotten is that it is the longest-running live-action American television sitcom at 14 years
  19. Stealth says:
    @syonredux

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    And "Hapas" (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)
     

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don’t tell me about it.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don’t tell me about it.
     
    Caught her in Psycho II (1983) a few weeks back. She was pretty cute.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Colin Firth was banging Meg back in the 80s - early 90s and they have a kid together.
  20. fnn says:

    In Germany, you now have a mixed-race major celebrity rapper who is a genuine (not fake) ultra-nationalist reactionary:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Naidoo

    Xavier Kurt Naidoo (born October 2, 1971), also known by his stage name Kobra, is a German Soul and R&B singer/songwriter, record producer, and occasional actor.

    Naidoo’s father Rausammy is from India, who has half Indian and half German origins and his mother is of South African descent.[7]

    Political views[edit]
    Xavier Naidoo has blamed the Rothschild family for Germany’s 20th century history[8][9] and has spoken at a meeting of the Reichsbürgerbewegung, the right-wing movement that seeks to restore Germany’s pre-1918 borders, denies the legal existence of the Federal Republic of Germany and claims Germany is a country occupied by enemy, foreign forces.

    Naidoo gave similar opinions in a live interview on ARD Morgenmagazin, public service breakfast television.[10]

    However his lyrics have also featured anti-Semitic slurs[12] and homophobic sentiments. His 2012 song Wo sind implied that homosexuals were paedophiles.[13]

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  21. syonredux says:

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement. The Democrats paid the price in 2016 as blacks couldn’t be bothered to come out in large numbers to vote for a nonblack.

    The Democrats may wind up being seen as the Black Party. To a lot of white people, it probably sounds awesome to be loyal to the Black Party, but I suspect a smaller percentage of Hispanics and Asians share those feelings.

    Certainly a possibility. Blacks do prize their status as “the greatest victim of White racism.” And the Black university activists that I’ve encountered tend to simply not count East Asians when it comes time to measure diversity…..

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD, decrying its lack of diversity, as it had only one POC actor as a regular (a Black man). Someone then mentioned that the show was actually fairly diverse, as it had two East Asian women as part of the cast. The speaker grudging accepted Ming-Na Wen as a fellow POC, but doubted the POC credentials of the half-European Chloe Bennett…

    Birth Name: Chloe Wang

    Place of Birth: Chicago, Illinois, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 18, 1992

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish, Irish, Swiss-German, German (mother)

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    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD
     
    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches. I have a hard time believing the speaker represents the target demo. Agents of Shield is literally the last place I'd go to in making a point about the media landscape of American media. It's got a tiny audience and is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Though the gay airforce general that's not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
    http://gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/general-talbot-2.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6uagFjJsU
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Its pretty well known, I think, by most East Asian men that they're not accepted as POC by your average diversity crowd unless they engage in similar virtue signaling as goodwhites. There's a combination of both race and class involved, I do think.
  22. Yan Shen says:

    If you’ve been listening to me expounding upon the theory of the Great Cultural Divergence, you’ll realize that Confucians are the greatest allies in the battle against postmodernist insanity! Your empirical observation is precisely what such a theory would predict.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Sorry meant for this to be a response to the first comment posted by Anonymous.


    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    Yes but this isn't a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.
  23. Altai says:
    @syonredux

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement. The Democrats paid the price in 2016 as blacks couldn’t be bothered to come out in large numbers to vote for a nonblack.

    The Democrats may wind up being seen as the Black Party. To a lot of white people, it probably sounds awesome to be loyal to the Black Party, but I suspect a smaller percentage of Hispanics and Asians share those feelings.
     
    Certainly a possibility. Blacks do prize their status as "the greatest victim of White racism." And the Black university activists that I've encountered tend to simply not count East Asians when it comes time to measure diversity.....

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on "race and the media" recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD, decrying its lack of diversity, as it had only one POC actor as a regular (a Black man). Someone then mentioned that the show was actually fairly diverse, as it had two East Asian women as part of the cast. The speaker grudging accepted Ming-Na Wen as a fellow POC, but doubted the POC credentials of the half-European Chloe Bennett...

    Birth Name: Chloe Wang

    Place of Birth: Chicago, Illinois, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 18, 1992

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish, Irish, Swiss-German, German (mother)

     

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD

    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches. I have a hard time believing the speaker represents the target demo. Agents of Shield is literally the last place I’d go to in making a point about the media landscape of American media. It’s got a tiny audience and is one of the worst shows I’ve ever seen. Though the gay airforce general that’s not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches.
     
    Judging from various comments that I've read on SJW sites, Whedon is in bad odor these days. I've actually seen the word "problematic" used in articles about Buffy, the Vampire Slayer.....
    , @syonredux

    Though the gay airforce general that’s not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
     
    Played by Adrian Pasdar. He's half-Iranian, but no ones counts him as POC

    Birth Name: Adrian Kayvan Pasdar

    Place of Birth: Pittsfield, Massachusetts, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 30, 1965

    Ethnicity:
    *Iranian (father)
    *German, with some likely Polish (mother)
     
    , @BB753
    It's not such a bad show. I'm very picky when it comes to tv shows but Agents of Shield can be pretty entertaining, sometimes in a cheesy way. It reminds me of the distant times when tv shows weren't supposed to be deep, sarcastic or gritty and when there was action, actual plots and a slight attempt at acting and depicting human emotions.
    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe who's also a top airplane pilot.
    Anyway, I'd rather watch a show about super-spies than about superheroes.
  24. Alden says:

    James Petras’ hero Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race by executive order just in time for the 1970 census. A bit later he ordered his EEOC to make Hispanics affirmative action beneficiaries.

    A bit later Nixon’s Philadelphia Plan destroyed written apprenticeship testing in the construction unions which opened the way for residential and even some commercial construction to be done by illegals from the Home Depot parking lot.

    Then there were the CETA, EEEP and other programs that poured black panthers and black Muslims straight out of prison into training programs for government jobs.

    Nixon and Johnson were the presidents that made White cis Americans unemployable, despised untouchables

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  25. syonredux says:
    @Formerly CARealist
    yeah, i've never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    As to Ricky Ricardo and that drum number, it's pretty darn foreign. I like hearing it once, but that's enough. Definitely not sustainable, at least for this whitey.

    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    I was born in 1980, and I’ve never seen a single episode. I have, though, seen some episodes of Leave It To Beaver…..but, for some odd reason, SJWs never mention Leave It To Beaver…..

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    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Ancient truths, derived from anecdotal evidence of 1950's television.
    , @snorlax
    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of "far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950's reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn't have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM."
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I have to underscore what snorlax said. Leave it to Beaver has for decades been used as the all-purpose go-to for anyone who thinks safe, clean, family-friendly neighborhoods represent all that is evil and boring. O and H is a close second.
  26. Broski says:

    “the longstanding Republican strategy of turning itself into a whites-first party”

    Lies. Lies. So many lies all the time.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, they care about being post-white more than literally anything else.
  27. syonredux says:
    @Stealth
    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don't tell me about it.

    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don’t tell me about it.

    Caught her in Psycho II (1983) a few weeks back. She was pretty cute.

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  28. Alden says:
    @syonredux

    ‘… Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white…’

    Um, Mozart’s third concerto for bongos? I don’t think so:
     
    Simple test, dear fellow. Had Desi Arnaz been regarded as non-White in the '50s, the I Love Lucy show would never have been broadcast.....

    If Lucy and Dezi had been 30 years younger and made the show in the 1980s the Hispanic stereotype watchdog groups would have driven the show off the air after the first episode.

    Imagine it, Mrs Ricardo is an anglo redhead! Their friends are Anglos.! Ricky is stereotyped with his black hair and accent! Ricky is White not Indian!
    Stone them to death!!!!!

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    I don't think this sort of racial grievance mongering among people other than blacks really caught steam until the mid 1990s. That's about when the word "Diversity" became ubiquitous. In truth, it wasn't nearly as bad among blacks back then either.

    1980s Television Hispanics included "Mexican" Ricardo Montalban on Fantasy Island and in the fictional Dallas/Dynasty/The Colbys Universe.
  29. CAL says:
    @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    I’m just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.

    As syonredux said, if Desi was seen as a POC, that show never would have been aired.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Light-skinned Hispanics were seen as white, European Spanish persons who happened to live in Latin America. Swarthy Hispanics were seen as bandits and movie-extra material.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    And I am old enough to have watched I Love Lucy when it was new.
    I can assure you that, even through my very racially aware eyes, I never thought of Desi as anything other than white.
    , @Jefferson
    “I’m just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.”

    So Cesar Chavez was seen as a White man in the eyes of Nordic blond White Gringos back in the 1950s when he was coming up as a Mexican civil rights activists?

    Aftter all you claim that Mexicans back in the days were seen as a White ethnic group no different than the Ellis Island demographic of Slavs, Italians, Jews, and the Irish.

    How can Mexicans be a White ethnic group when Mexico is not even a majority Conquistador country.
  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The biggest intersectionality in US politics.

    Both parties totally for Israel.

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  31. Dahlia says:

    And things worked out really well for him. White people loved this guy who was raised by whites and Asians but who claimed to be black on the 2010 Census. They even made him President and then paid him $400,000 per speech.

    One of the very saddest things of our victim culture is the way to which people at the top manipulate it so that they *still* win. Will always win. The inverse exemplar of Barack Obama and the type of person who will always rank below these at-least-99.9%-white “paragons of virtue” is Sheriff David Clarke. Trouble is, 90% of all Blacks, mulattos specifically, will relate more to Clarke than Obama. But, they can’t win. The “paragons of virtue” set them up for failure. Condemned by their genes, class, and realism-by-stint-of-class, they will always be seen as sub-human by the liberal 99.9% white people who can bathe in their idealism from lack of want.

    I remember about 10 years ago, just before this victim culture really ramped up, a very moral woman responded to the trend, “don’t deny victims their victimhood.” I thought it utterly profound, perfectly in keeping with the virtue of humility. Unfortunately, it turns out, a culture can both embrace victimhood and venality, so we got the worst of both worlds.

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  32. syonredux says:
    @Altai

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD
     
    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches. I have a hard time believing the speaker represents the target demo. Agents of Shield is literally the last place I'd go to in making a point about the media landscape of American media. It's got a tiny audience and is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Though the gay airforce general that's not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
    http://gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/general-talbot-2.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6uagFjJsU

    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches.

    Judging from various comments that I’ve read on SJW sites, Whedon is in bad odor these days. I’ve actually seen the word “problematic” used in articles about Buffy, the Vampire Slayer…..

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    • Replies: @IAmCorn
    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.
  33. syonredux says:
    @Altai

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD
     
    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches. I have a hard time believing the speaker represents the target demo. Agents of Shield is literally the last place I'd go to in making a point about the media landscape of American media. It's got a tiny audience and is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Though the gay airforce general that's not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
    http://gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/general-talbot-2.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6uagFjJsU

    Though the gay airforce general that’s not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.

    Played by Adrian Pasdar. He’s half-Iranian, but no ones counts him as POC

    Birth Name: Adrian Kayvan Pasdar

    Place of Birth: Pittsfield, Massachusetts, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 30, 1965

    Ethnicity:
    *Iranian (father)
    *German, with some likely Polish (mother)

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    My favorite of Pasdar's movies was Near Dark. Good one.
  34. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder

    I know a classmate of Obama’s at Punahou who after the first inauguration told me that Barry was thought of as Polynesian by his classmates, including her. He could pass for a mixed Polynesian/Melanesian Fijian type.
     
    That was probably Barry's schtick to get laid back before he moved to the mainland U.S. He was trying to "pass" so that various girls who wouldn't date a black would date him. Non-whites are ruthless in their exclusion of blacks as possible boyfriends/dates/lovers, especially when their families are around. The non-white population of Hawaii (native Hawaiian, Japanese, Samoan, etc.) would have been, ahem, more than little upset at a black kid moving in on their girls.

    (And even if he was trying to play for the other team, this would've played better. Gays are ruthlessly racist)

    It wasn't till Barry got to Occidental/Columbia that he dropped this schtick because being the Corporate Negro ,, as many (((whites))/lefty whites preferred having a token black friend/boyfriend over a polynesian buddy. And then the political benefits kicked in.

    Which is so strange. Who wouldn’t want a polynesian buddy? They are about the nicest, most laid back people in the world. Very funny, and obviously absolute terrors in a bar brawl. I’ve always been grateful for my hawaiian/samoan friends.

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    Barry realized that, on the mainland, there was a lot more upside to being a Black Greivancemonger than being a Polynesian political dude.

    As Steve has often pointed out, Barry's career seemingly groomed him for a nice cushy job at an American embassy as a diplomat/attache, but because he smartly played the Blackity-Black card he vaulted about three stratospheric levels beyond his realm of competence.

    The CIA hit the jackpot with Barry. He was an early recruit who paid dividends to them. Instead of just a foreign diplomat covering for CIA operations in his backwater, he covered for CIA operations world-wide as president--and many times authorizing them directly.

  35. BB753 says:
    @Altai

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on “race and the media” recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD
     
    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches. I have a hard time believing the speaker represents the target demo. Agents of Shield is literally the last place I'd go to in making a point about the media landscape of American media. It's got a tiny audience and is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Though the gay airforce general that's not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
    http://gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/general-talbot-2.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6uagFjJsU

    It’s not such a bad show. I’m very picky when it comes to tv shows but Agents of Shield can be pretty entertaining, sometimes in a cheesy way. It reminds me of the distant times when tv shows weren’t supposed to be deep, sarcastic or gritty and when there was action, actual plots and a slight attempt at acting and depicting human emotions.
    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe who’s also a top airplane pilot.
    Anyway, I’d rather watch a show about super-spies than about superheroes.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe

     

    Here fights scenes are some of the most ludicrous things that I have ever seen. It's amazing that the stuntmen can keep a straight face as they pretend that she's tossing them around:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0WgOSDfPQ
    , @whorefinder
    I had a thing for that actress, Ming-Na Wen, when she was on ER back in the 1990s, before she abruptly left after the first season (she came back later in the show, but the magic was gone). I was so enthralled that when she went and appeared on The Single Guy I began watching that sitcom just for her, even though she was a secondary charatcer. The weird things a good-looking woman can do to a guy....

    Anyway, she's aged quite nicely, as Asian women are wont to do. A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming, which the actress claimed hurt her career; she legitimately looked a decade younger, and had gotten younger-women parts, so the birth date release was inhibiting. I also know a couple of other Asian women (one an actress) who consistently lie and tell people (potential employers, potential boyfriends, etc. ) that they are about 10 years younger than they are---and get away with it.

    Anyway, despite looking younger and fitter, there's little rational excuse for tiny Asian women beating up a bunch of six foot tall guys. What's wrong with just being eye candy? As history demonstrates, eye candy ladies have been pretty powerful!

  36. Yan Shen says:
    @Yan Shen
    If you've been listening to me expounding upon the theory of the Great Cultural Divergence, you'll realize that Confucians are the greatest allies in the battle against postmodernist insanity! Your empirical observation is precisely what such a theory would predict.

    Sorry meant for this to be a response to the first comment posted by Anonymous.

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.

    Yes but this isn’t a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.

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    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.
     
    Yes but this isn’t a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.
     
    How is defending white people a manifestation of Confucian values?
  37. Stealth says:
    @syonredux

    Though the gay airforce general that’s not supposed to be funny made me laugh just walking into a room.
     
    Played by Adrian Pasdar. He's half-Iranian, but no ones counts him as POC

    Birth Name: Adrian Kayvan Pasdar

    Place of Birth: Pittsfield, Massachusetts, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 30, 1965

    Ethnicity:
    *Iranian (father)
    *German, with some likely Polish (mother)
     

    My favorite of Pasdar’s movies was Near Dark. Good one.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    My favorite of Pasdar’s movies was Near Dark. Good one.
     
    Yeah. Directed by Kathryn Bigelow. An excellent blend of horror and neo-Western. Bill Paxton had some great scenes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHm2lHzV7tM
  38. Broski says:
    @Stealth
    Your comment reminds me of that Powers Boothe line in Tombstone.

    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don’t know who Boothe is, as I didn’t, he played Doc Holiday’s (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

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    • Replies: @Stumpy Pepys
    Wrong!! Michael Biehn played Johnny Ringo not Powers Boothe...... Steve!! Just got my tax return back so I will be sending you a donation via a Vanilla Visa gift card. Keep up the great work you menace to polite society.
    , @syonredux
    Tombstone has some great scenes:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeFaApcTco
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Nope. That was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo. Boothe played the other guy whose name I can't recall. He also played Jim Jones in the movie about the Jonestown Massacre.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Gotta help a Broski out: “Well… bye.”
    , @Captain Tripps

    For those who don’t know who Boothe is, as I didn’t, he played Doc Holiday’s (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.
     
    Nah. Boothe played the part of Curly Bill Brosius:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brocius

    Michael Biehn played the part of Johnny Ringo:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Ringo
  39. syonredux says:
    @Stealth
    My favorite of Pasdar's movies was Near Dark. Good one.

    My favorite of Pasdar’s movies was Near Dark. Good one.

    Yeah. Directed by Kathryn Bigelow. An excellent blend of horror and neo-Western. Bill Paxton had some great scenes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHm2lHzV7tM

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  40. anon says: • Disclaimer

    White fears probably even helped Donald Trump win the 2016 election.

    I wonder if those white fears of being overwhelmed would be so prevalent if Democrats hadn’t spent so much time over the past decade or so openly bragging about how they were going to overwhelm whites with brown people. That was their own plan, and they weren’t even all that shy about telling us so. It takes balls to criticize us as paranoid just because we took them at their word.

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  41. syonredux says:
    @BB753
    It's not such a bad show. I'm very picky when it comes to tv shows but Agents of Shield can be pretty entertaining, sometimes in a cheesy way. It reminds me of the distant times when tv shows weren't supposed to be deep, sarcastic or gritty and when there was action, actual plots and a slight attempt at acting and depicting human emotions.
    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe who's also a top airplane pilot.
    Anyway, I'd rather watch a show about super-spies than about superheroes.

    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe

    Here fights scenes are some of the most ludicrous things that I have ever seen. It’s amazing that the stuntmen can keep a straight face as they pretend that she’s tossing them around:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0WgOSDfPQ

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  42. J1234 says:

    Tens of thousands of leftists riot nationwide, take anti-free speech positions that alarm even leftist academics and scholars, chant “Not My President!” after months of accusing the right of not being willing to accept a Clinton presidency, make incessant claims of “fake news” after the election, even though the NYT openly apologized for it’s own biased coverage of the election…

    …and the right is hysterical.

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  43. @syonredux

    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?
     
    I was born in 1980, and I've never seen a single episode. I have, though, seen some episodes of Leave It To Beaver.....but, for some odd reason, SJWs never mention Leave It To Beaver.....

    Ancient truths, derived from anecdotal evidence of 1950′s television.

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  44. snorlax says:
    @syonredux

    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?
     
    I was born in 1980, and I've never seen a single episode. I have, though, seen some episodes of Leave It To Beaver.....but, for some odd reason, SJWs never mention Leave It To Beaver.....

    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of “far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950′s reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn’t have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM.”

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    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of “far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950′s reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn’t have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM.”
     
    I'll have to take your word on that. Personally, I can't recall reading an SJW reference to Leave It To Beaver. Whenever I come across an SJW reference to a '5os TV family, it always seems to be Ozzie and Harriet....
    , @PiltdownMan
    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.
  45. @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    Wrong!! Michael Biehn played Johnny Ringo not Powers Boothe…… Steve!! Just got my tax return back so I will be sending you a donation via a Vanilla Visa gift card. Keep up the great work you menace to polite society.

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  46. @CAL
    I'm just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.

    As syonredux said, if Desi was seen as a POC, that show never would have been aired.

    Light-skinned Hispanics were seen as white, European Spanish persons who happened to live in Latin America. Swarthy Hispanics were seen as bandits and movie-extra material.

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  47. syonredux says:
    @snorlax
    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of "far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950's reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn't have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM."

    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of “far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950′s reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn’t have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM.”

    I’ll have to take your word on that. Personally, I can’t recall reading an SJW reference to Leave It To Beaver. Whenever I come across an SJW reference to a ’5os TV family, it always seems to be Ozzie and Harriet….

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  48. syonredux says:
    @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    Tombstone has some great scenes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSeFaApcTco

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  49. @snorlax
    SJWs mention Leave it to Beaver all the time, usually along the lines of "far from the idealized portrayals of the archetypal white, middle-class nuclear family on shows such as Leave it to Beaver, scratching beneath the surface of the 1950's reveals a decade where beautiful black baby bodies were used as firewood and women were beaten with golf clubs if they didn't have a meatloaf dinner on the table by 5:30 PM."

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.
     
    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women's life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.
  50. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Anon
    Which is so strange. Who wouldn't want a polynesian buddy? They are about the nicest, most laid back people in the world. Very funny, and obviously absolute terrors in a bar brawl. I've always been grateful for my hawaiian/samoan friends.

    Barry realized that, on the mainland, there was a lot more upside to being a Black Greivancemonger than being a Polynesian political dude.

    As Steve has often pointed out, Barry’s career seemingly groomed him for a nice cushy job at an American embassy as a diplomat/attache, but because he smartly played the Blackity-Black card he vaulted about three stratospheric levels beyond his realm of competence.

    The CIA hit the jackpot with Barry. He was an early recruit who paid dividends to them. Instead of just a foreign diplomat covering for CIA operations in his backwater, he covered for CIA operations world-wide as president–and many times authorizing them directly.

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  51. whorefinder says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan
    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.

    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I’m taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women’s life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.

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    You're welcome. I really should have edited that post for its scrambled syntax—I got called away and the edit window closed.
    , @syonredux

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.

    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I’m taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women’s life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.
     
    RE: Friedan,

    Friedan was born Bettye Naomi Goldstein[1][2][3] on February 4, 1921 in Peoria, Illinois,[4] to Harry and Miriam (Horwitz) Goldstein, whose Jewish families were from Russia and Hungary.[5][6] Harry owned a jewelry store in Peoria, and Miriam wrote for the society page of a newspaper when Friedan's father fell ill. Her mother's new life outside the home seemed much more gratifying.
    As a young girl, Friedan was active in both Marxist and Jewish circles; she later wrote how she felt isolated from the latter community at times, and felt her "passion against injustice...originated from my feelings of the injustice of anti-Semitism".[7] She attended Peoria High School, and became involved in the school newspaper. When her application to write a column was turned down, she and six other friends launched a literary magazine called Tide, which discussed home life rather than school life.
    She attended all-female Smith College in 1938. She won a scholarship prize in her first year for outstanding academic performance. In her second year she became interested in poetry, and had many poems published in campus publications. In 1941, she became editor-in-chief of the college newspaper. The editorials became more political under her leadership, taking a strong antiwar stance and occasionally causing controversy.[7] She graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1942 with a major in psychology.
    In 1943 she spent a year at the University of California, Berkeley on a fellowship for graduate work in psychology with Erik Erikson.[8] She became more politically active, continuing to mix with Marxists (many of her friends were investigated by the FBI).[7
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Friedan

    The anti-war stance in '41 is pretty interesting, particularly coming from a Jew. Presumably, as a committed commie, she was anti-war until Hitler invaded the USSR....
  52. @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    Nope. That was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo. Boothe played the other guy whose name I can’t recall. He also played Jim Jones in the movie about the Jonestown Massacre.

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    Boothe played the other guy whose name I can’t recall.
     
    Boothe did a great job voicing Gorilla Grodd in the Justice League cartoon series. In a series full of absolutely fantastic voice work---including Clancy Brown's butt-kicking version of Lex Luthor----Boothe was (perhaps) the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOFrGqDMPd8

    , @Broski
    Thank you. I have been corrected. I would have acknowledged Stumpy Pepys's correction, but it had too many exclamation marks.
    , @Franz Alkan Scriabin
    Powers Boothe was Curly Bill Brocius in Tombstone.
  53. @syonredux

    yeah, i’ve never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?
     
    I was born in 1980, and I've never seen a single episode. I have, though, seen some episodes of Leave It To Beaver.....but, for some odd reason, SJWs never mention Leave It To Beaver.....

    I have to underscore what snorlax said. Leave it to Beaver has for decades been used as the all-purpose go-to for anyone who thinks safe, clean, family-friendly neighborhoods represent all that is evil and boring. O and H is a close second.

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    I have to underscore what snorlax said. Leave it to Beaver has for decades been used as the all-purpose go-to for anyone who thinks safe, clean, family-friendly neighborhoods represent all that is evil and boring. O and H is a close second.
     
    Maybe I notice references to Ozzie and Harriet more because I've never seen an episode, and the unfamiliarity makes it leap out.....
  54. @whorefinder

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.
     
    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women's life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.

    You’re welcome. I really should have edited that post for its scrambled syntax—I got called away and the edit window closed.

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  55. whorefinder says: • Website
    @BB753
    It's not such a bad show. I'm very picky when it comes to tv shows but Agents of Shield can be pretty entertaining, sometimes in a cheesy way. It reminds me of the distant times when tv shows weren't supposed to be deep, sarcastic or gritty and when there was action, actual plots and a slight attempt at acting and depicting human emotions.
    By far, the stupidest character is Mae, the female Chinese fifty-something years old pint-sized butt-kicking babe who's also a top airplane pilot.
    Anyway, I'd rather watch a show about super-spies than about superheroes.

    I had a thing for that actress, Ming-Na Wen, when she was on ER back in the 1990s, before she abruptly left after the first season (she came back later in the show, but the magic was gone). I was so enthralled that when she went and appeared on The Single Guy I began watching that sitcom just for her, even though she was a secondary charatcer. The weird things a good-looking woman can do to a guy….

    Anyway, she’s aged quite nicely, as Asian women are wont to do. A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming, which the actress claimed hurt her career; she legitimately looked a decade younger, and had gotten younger-women parts, so the birth date release was inhibiting. I also know a couple of other Asian women (one an actress) who consistently lie and tell people (potential employers, potential boyfriends, etc. ) that they are about 10 years younger than they are—and get away with it.

    Anyway, despite looking younger and fitter, there’s little rational excuse for tiny Asian women beating up a bunch of six foot tall guys. What’s wrong with just being eye candy? As history demonstrates, eye candy ladies have been pretty powerful!

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    The other day I was in the checkout queue behind a Chinese woman buying some booze and the cashier asked for some ID. The woman laughed and said she was thirty-eight, going by her skin and hair I would have said early twenties.
    , @BB753
    Not only does she kick asses, she's supposed to be one Shield's most dangerous martial arts fighters! And she's a top pilot as well. Come on, what are they trying to prove? Is this some kind of psy-ops to morally castrate boys into believing women are better than them?
    Though I have to agree the Asian actress doesn't look her age, she's well over fifty!
    , @ScarletNumber

    A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming
     
    Don't you mean older?
  56. JW Bell says:
    @Anonymous
    "But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement."

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school's Facebook page.

    I think it's already starting to happen.

    What UC has blacks?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They exist. A very small, but very loud minority.
  57. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Nope. That was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo. Boothe played the other guy whose name I can't recall. He also played Jim Jones in the movie about the Jonestown Massacre.

    Boothe played the other guy whose name I can’t recall.

    Boothe did a great job voicing Gorilla Grodd in the Justice League cartoon series. In a series full of absolutely fantastic voice work—including Clancy Brown’s butt-kicking version of Lex Luthor—-Boothe was (perhaps) the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOFrGqDMPd8

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    Booth was incredible as Jim Jones in the CBS biopic miniseries. I think he won an Emmy for the role. I had listened to the Jamestown tapes on PBS earlier and the similarity was eerie. He didn't so much portray Jones as channel him.
  58. syonredux says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    I have to underscore what snorlax said. Leave it to Beaver has for decades been used as the all-purpose go-to for anyone who thinks safe, clean, family-friendly neighborhoods represent all that is evil and boring. O and H is a close second.

    I have to underscore what snorlax said. Leave it to Beaver has for decades been used as the all-purpose go-to for anyone who thinks safe, clean, family-friendly neighborhoods represent all that is evil and boring. O and H is a close second.

    Maybe I notice references to Ozzie and Harriet more because I’ve never seen an episode, and the unfamiliarity makes it leap out…..

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  59. Old fogey says:
    @Anonymous
    "But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement."

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school's Facebook page.

    I think it's already starting to happen.

    Good news! Thanks for letting us know.

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  60. @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    Gotta help a Broski out: “Well… bye.”

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  61. syonredux says:
    @whorefinder

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.
     
    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women's life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.

    SJWs depend solely on the accounts of second-wave feminists like Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan for their information about life in America before 1965. A place where the washing-machine and the vacuum cleaner had made it housekeeping both trivially easy as well as a satanic dungeon to which women were kept chained, thanks to the scheming of the patriarchy.

    Thank you for backing me up. Sometimes I feel like I’m taking crazy pills the way pop culture history has painted women’s life following WW2 till the commies took over in the 1960s.

    RE: Friedan,

    Friedan was born Bettye Naomi Goldstein[1][2][3] on February 4, 1921 in Peoria, Illinois,[4] to Harry and Miriam (Horwitz) Goldstein, whose Jewish families were from Russia and Hungary.[5][6] Harry owned a jewelry store in Peoria, and Miriam wrote for the society page of a newspaper when Friedan’s father fell ill. Her mother’s new life outside the home seemed much more gratifying.
    As a young girl, Friedan was active in both Marxist and Jewish circles; she later wrote how she felt isolated from the latter community at times, and felt her “passion against injustice…originated from my feelings of the injustice of anti-Semitism”.[7] She attended Peoria High School, and became involved in the school newspaper. When her application to write a column was turned down, she and six other friends launched a literary magazine called Tide, which discussed home life rather than school life.
    She attended all-female Smith College in 1938. She won a scholarship prize in her first year for outstanding academic performance. In her second year she became interested in poetry, and had many poems published in campus publications. In 1941, she became editor-in-chief of the college newspaper. The editorials became more political under her leadership, taking a strong antiwar stance and occasionally causing controversy.[7] She graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1942 with a major in psychology.
    In 1943 she spent a year at the University of California, Berkeley on a fellowship for graduate work in psychology with Erik Erikson.[8] She became more politically active, continuing to mix with Marxists (many of her friends were investigated by the FBI).[7

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  62. Whiskey says: • Website

    Agents of Shield is not too bad, I was prepared to hate the other dude named Luna who played Ghostrider briefly, but he did a fine job. Bennett specifically does not trade on her Asian heritage to be cast race-neutral and speaks fluent Mandarin and had a decent singing career in China. Her Chinese father and White mother also adopted a couple of Black kids, who are her adopted brothers. The show itself has a fine actor Henry Simmons, a huge Black dude with perfect comic timing and has had numerous Black actors on as semi-regulars such as Blair Underwood.

    Whedon? He’s made Twitter comments about some female teen cancer survivors meeting Paul Ryan, to the wording of Ryan did not sexually assault the girls because they were not hot. Or something. Such a feminist! Way to ruin a kid suffering from cancer’s thrill at meeting a famous person. But that’s typical Hollywood, so much epic butt kissing that people think they are gods.

    Agents of Shield has had on it Reed Diamond, Powers Boothe, Bill Paxton (who was GREAT as usual), Kyle Mclatchlan, Ruth Negga, and John Hanna to name a few. That’s a pretty good set of actors.

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  63. Old fogey says:
    @Formerly CARealist
    yeah, i've never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    As to Ricky Ricardo and that drum number, it's pretty darn foreign. I like hearing it once, but that's enough. Definitely not sustainable, at least for this whitey.

    I saw a few Ozzie and Harriet shows, but never cared for them. There were a number of programs at that same time that featured silly and bumbling father figures with all-knowing mothers. None of them rang true to me. Oh, and I’m in my 80th year.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It was (and is) a common joke for that generation.

    The problem is that their kids, male and female, took them seriously.
  64. Whiskey says: • Website

    As far as White Identity goes, you can’t call back the bullet. Every other race has had its own Identity mongering, one of the worst things Martin Luther King Jr. did was emphasize Black group rights that belong only to Blacks, in particular Civil Rights (which Whites have none) and Affirmative Action (which Whites also have none). Instead of Individual Rights which could be shared out in a spoils system to invest Whites into the current system.

    What has held sway has been upward mobility into the Gentry which has allowed Nice White Ladies and Single White females to push non-group White loyalty and “respectable” (i.e. anti-White) opinion on the theory that any real Alpha Male will be nicely seen by being successful with a massive handicap. The Peacock tail mating strategy.

    The upward mobility has now ceased: Blacks and Muslims and Gays and an unending stream of immigrants legal and illegal have taken the place of upwardly mobile Boomers. Leaving people “free” in the words of Janis Joplin (actually Kris Kristofferson who wrote it) that Freedom’s Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Lose. Moreover the sex-first on Alpha attitudes, relationship later method of young White women has left the social pressures to conform to Nice White Ladyism irrelevant. Since it is how Alpha one appears in the Bar that matters, nothing else. Marie Le Pen took nearly 50% of the White youth vote; and Trump seems to be doing even better. There are finally young White men more than willing to mix it up with Soros’s Anti-Fa rent-a-mob.

    In places like California, which is now minority White, and markedly so, Whites have no incentive to do anything but be prepared to fight for their life at a moments notice, and that tends to create a frontier mentality. If the government won’t protect you (it won’t) — that leads to both gunslinger mentality and various informal packs on race and culture. The only people who can’t flee from White is Whites … so Fight is inevitable.

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  65. @Yan Shen
    Sorry meant for this to be a response to the first comment posted by Anonymous.


    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    Yes but this isn't a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    Yes but this isn’t a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.

    How is defending white people a manifestation of Confucian values?

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    My guess he's referring to a general love of order and fairness, the notion that rules should be applied fairly and equally.

    I don't think is very useful though. The cuckservatives tried that and it did absolutely nothing to stem liberalism. I mean, look at the entire cultural appropriation nonsense. If we applied it fairly, I can't use this computer anymore because I'm appropriating white person technology(or at least should pay royalties to white people).

    In that sense, the funny African student meeting that rejected science for witchcraft is at least internally consistent.

  66. Being the least white western country, the US shows the problems with party-based representative democracy in a pluralistic society. If the US has an alternative form of democracy, where citizens had a more direct influence on policy making, racial activists wouldn’t be such a problem.

    Blacks and whites could unite in pushing for immigration restrictionism. Working class whites, blacks and Hispanics could join together to promote East Asian-style government-subsidised healthcare. Liberals, nationalists and traditionalists could join together to reduce unnecessary spending on the military. As it is, party-driven democracy means America is extremely divided around artificial tribes called Democrats and Republicans and the winners are wealthy Anglo Jews, upper middle-class urban liberals and squeaky wheel minority activists

    19th Century style party-driven democracy was originally designed to stop working and lower middle class people (“the Mob” ) from electing despots who might persecute wealthy urban liberals. It’s now a hazard to the majority of citizens. The West need to start looking at alternatives.

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  67. Broski says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Nope. That was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo. Boothe played the other guy whose name I can't recall. He also played Jim Jones in the movie about the Jonestown Massacre.

    Thank you. I have been corrected. I would have acknowledged Stumpy Pepys’s correction, but it had too many exclamation marks.

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    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I saw that about two minutes after it was too late to delete the comment. Sorry 'bout that.
  68. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Nope. That was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo. Boothe played the other guy whose name I can't recall. He also played Jim Jones in the movie about the Jonestown Massacre.

    Powers Boothe was Curly Bill Brocius in Tombstone.

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Another Curly Brocius was Jon Voight in "The Hour of the Gun" with James Garner as Earp.

    You might also remember that only three men were killed at the OK Corral. Whereas there have been many times that many Hollywood movies about the events of that day. Current day Chicago has a less favorable ratio - hundreds shot in the streets each year and no movies.

  69. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    Steve countering Dr. Gans by highlighting the phenomenon of the retreat from white by non-European Caucasian groups actually goes to the heart of a few key points that I've been making on this blog and elsewhere, in particular something which I referred to as the 21st century's Great Cultural Divergence.

    Not surprisingly, groups that were officially classified as white have been demanding to have the government count them as nonwhite. South Asians got themselves moved from Caucasian to Oriental/Asian in 1982 to make them eligible for minority business development privileges from the government.
     
    This kind of ties into the point I've been making that the so called hijacking of the SJW movement by Asians is actually disproportionately by Caucasian South Asian ethnic groups, hence a phenomenon that I uh referred to as Caucasian-on-Caucasian crime. Or to amend Steve's explanation of the situation, "Non-Asian Non-Tiger Cub Caucasians", along with fellow Hispanic and black Americans in this country more or less own the SJW racket. Apart from a handful of Jeff Guos, East Asian Americans mostly skew towards STEM and away from all of that other silliness, including business, politics, and media.

    Now going back to the phenomenon of the retreat from white and the general prevalence of left wing insanity in this country. Using multi-racial America as a microcosm for the global whole, it's become fairly apparent to me and to others like Tiger Mom, etc. that postmodern leftist memes have hijacked and colonized the minds of non-East Asians in a way that East Asians have largely been immune to. I offered up the example of the Asian guy in the library to illustrate exactly the heart of this increasing schism between Confucian and non-Confucian cultures, a schism that I argued could indeed have importance consequences over the coming decades in the 21st century.

    Dr. Gans thinks that the future of America won't be nearly so bad as some on the right fear because of increasing acceptance of and self identification by traditionally non-white groups as white or at the very least white enough. First as Steve argues, there's an increasing tendency for non-white Caucasian groups to identify as non-white as opposed to white, thus empirically contradicting the thrust of Mr. Gans' argument that the opposite would happen and that that would lead to increased unity in this country.



    But alas, all of this misses the point. That America may well be on the path towards devolving into another Brazil 100 years from now is really just the symptom of the memetic colonization of rational minds by the deadliest and most virulent of parasites. This colonization is itself the actual underlying disease, the "browning" of America merely one of the manifested symptoms. I may need to make the argument more forcefully both here and elsewhere, but really the cure for all of this insanity isn't right white populism or white nationalism or whatever else the media seems to believe has risen in response to the liberal status quo in America. It's Confucianism.

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement.
     
    What we really need and what the national conversation really should be directed towards is a fundamental reorientation of our national mindset. Tiger Mother was merely the opening salvo in what I believe may be the last best hope for curing ourselves of the pervasive sickness that seems to have afflicted so many people in this country. Confucianism, or at least a form modified for the cultural idiosyncrasies of specific non-Confucian cultures may be just what the doctor ordered. It's not that America should distance itself from black cultural proclivities as a way of moving forward in the 21st century, but rather that we should all strive to be moving away from postmodern leftist insanity towards the saner and more fertile grounds inhabited by such individuals as Tiger Mom, Yan Shen, Asian guy in the library etc etc.

    Confucianism has good and bad points, but in the context of America it doesn’t matter.

    America will never be Confusion. I think it’s safe to say there has never been a society in human history that is less in tune with Confucius than the contemporary USA.

    There is a better chance conservative Christianity will make a sudden comeback and correct the current ills – Instead of the zero percent possibility with Confusianism we are perhaps looking at a .00000000001 % possibility.

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    It's much higher than that.

    If America becomes a backwater of Chinese empire in the 22nd Century, many will adopt the dominant ethos of their rulers.
  70. Actually, during the I Love Lucy era, non-Hispanic whites tended to see Hispanics as more white than they do now.

    My impression is that is because Hispanics in the US were in fact, for the most part, white back then. Most prominent Hispanics in the US were Mexicans and Cubans of Spanish ancestry. The big influx of Mexicans and Central Americans of indigenous stock started in the 1970s and really picked up speed in the 1980s due to the increase of violence in the region.

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    Perhaps most, but remember the Puerto Rican immigration in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s: http://lcw.lehman.edu/lehman/depts/latinampuertorican/latinoweb/PuertoRico/1950s.htm

    I am assuming most of this was to the US, and yes one can make an argument about whether this is "immigration" given that they have citizenship.

  71. unit472 says:

    Identity politics only works if the government has benefits to hand out to favored minorities. This era is over as governments are out of money. After paying for healthcare, pensions, interest on the debt and defense it has nothing left. This is the left’s problem all over the Western world. They can no longer promise government ‘goodies’ as everything that can be spent has been and then some thus the debt mountains and unfunded pension obligations that loom everywhere from Los Angeles to Athens!

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  72. jim jones says:
    @whorefinder
    I had a thing for that actress, Ming-Na Wen, when she was on ER back in the 1990s, before she abruptly left after the first season (she came back later in the show, but the magic was gone). I was so enthralled that when she went and appeared on The Single Guy I began watching that sitcom just for her, even though she was a secondary charatcer. The weird things a good-looking woman can do to a guy....

    Anyway, she's aged quite nicely, as Asian women are wont to do. A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming, which the actress claimed hurt her career; she legitimately looked a decade younger, and had gotten younger-women parts, so the birth date release was inhibiting. I also know a couple of other Asian women (one an actress) who consistently lie and tell people (potential employers, potential boyfriends, etc. ) that they are about 10 years younger than they are---and get away with it.

    Anyway, despite looking younger and fitter, there's little rational excuse for tiny Asian women beating up a bunch of six foot tall guys. What's wrong with just being eye candy? As history demonstrates, eye candy ladies have been pretty powerful!

    The other day I was in the checkout queue behind a Chinese woman buying some booze and the cashier asked for some ID. The woman laughed and said she was thirty-eight, going by her skin and hair I would have said early twenties.

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  73. Travis says:
    @syonredux

    Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.
     
    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet.....

    I have never seen Ozzie and Harriet.
    The 50s shows have seen – Leave it to Beaver, I love Lucy and the Honeymooners. They were on TV on the VHF channels in the 80s. We did not have cable until 1987.

    I am 47 , probably nobody under the age of 50 has seen Ozzie and Harriet.

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    I watched all the shows you mentioned as a boy, not thinking much of Leave it to Beaver, but loving the other two, although I had many other favorites, and liked Topper best of all. Ozzie and Harriet was not a favorite, but for some reason Sky King made a big impression on me.
    Oh yes: I'm 68.
  74. @Alden
    If Lucy and Dezi had been 30 years younger and made the show in the 1980s the Hispanic stereotype watchdog groups would have driven the show off the air after the first episode.

    Imagine it, Mrs Ricardo is an anglo redhead! Their friends are Anglos.! Ricky is stereotyped with his black hair and accent! Ricky is White not Indian!
    Stone them to death!!!!!

    I don’t think this sort of racial grievance mongering among people other than blacks really caught steam until the mid 1990s. That’s about when the word “Diversity” became ubiquitous. In truth, it wasn’t nearly as bad among blacks back then either.

    1980s Television Hispanics included “Mexican” Ricardo Montalban on Fantasy Island and in the fictional Dallas/Dynasty/The Colbys Universe.

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  75. @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    This is the equivalent of the Righteous Brothers.

    It’s a Criollo Cuban playing African/Indian fusion music.

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  76. Question:

    Is the anger over the US “takeover” of “Mexican territory” and the desire to “take back” the southwest as widespread and strong among whiter, more Spanish Hispanics, or among more Amer-Indian Hispanics?

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  77. “But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing…”

    Steve maybe this should read:

    But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, *having someone else write for him*

    obozo does not impress me as much of an intellect and certainly not a writer. He is pretty good at dramatically reading a teleprompter, and a good flim flammer. IMO that is about the extent of his depth and substance.

    Sorry, but I have seen the guy talk when his teleprompter goes on the fritz. He has a hard time stringing together words into coherent (uh uh if if if if if uh uh uh) sentences.

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  78. @Dahlia

    And things worked out really well for him. White people loved this guy who was raised by whites and Asians but who claimed to be black on the 2010 Census. They even made him President and then paid him $400,000 per speech.

     

    One of the very saddest things of our victim culture is the way to which people at the top manipulate it so that they *still* win. Will always win. The inverse exemplar of Barack Obama and the type of person who will always rank below these at-least-99.9%-white "paragons of virtue" is Sheriff David Clarke. Trouble is, 90% of all Blacks, mulattos specifically, will relate more to Clarke than Obama. But, they can't win. The "paragons of virtue" set them up for failure. Condemned by their genes, class, and realism-by-stint-of-class, they will always be seen as sub-human by the liberal 99.9% white people who can bathe in their idealism from lack of want.

    I remember about 10 years ago, just before this victim culture really ramped up, a very moral woman responded to the trend, "don't deny victims their victimhood." I thought it utterly profound, perfectly in keeping with the virtue of humility. Unfortunately, it turns out, a culture can both embrace victimhood and venality, so we got the worst of both worlds.

    I say Sheriff David Clarke for FBI Director

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  79. Travis says:

    another reason America will remain whiter than the leftist narrative – The census data will classify a newborn as Hispanic and Asian even when the father is white.

    of the 10 million hispanics born in the United States over the last decade, about 2 million have white fathers. To name some examples..The Children of Ryan Gosling, Mathew McConaughey and Matt Damen are considered hispanic. The last 3 children of Alec Baldwin and the youngest child of Clint Eastwood are all hispanic. 25% of hispanic women marry white guys and 37% of East Asian women marry white guys.

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  80. Flip says:
    @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    He looks like he could be from Spain, Italy, or Greece.

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  81. Flip says:
    @syonredux

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    And "Hapas" (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)
     

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Kate Beckinsale is one eighth Burmese but you can’t really see it.

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  82. @Broski
    I spent half an hour looking for a relevant quote on IMDB and found nothing. For those who don't know who Boothe is, as I didn't, he played Doc Holiday's (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    For those who don’t know who Boothe is, as I didn’t, he played Doc Holiday’s (Val Kilmer) arch nemesis Johnny Ringo.

    Nah. Boothe played the part of Curly Bill Brosius:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brocius

    Michael Biehn played the part of Johnny Ringo:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Ringo

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  83. jb says:

    Steve has a comment on the Times article, and I would encourage anyone with a Times account to go and recommend it.

    In fact I think Steve should make a general practice of linking to his comments from his blog posts (if necessary updating his posts when a comment appears after the post has been written) and encouraging his readers to recommend them. Or at minimum, Steve or one of his readers should do what I’ve just done here in the blog comments; noting that a Times comment has appeared, and linking to it. Getting a couple dozen upvotes from iSteve readers would go a long way towards boosting Steve’s comments towards the top of the Reader Picks list, which would in turn help make people more aware of Steve’s blog. Come on guys — this is a cheap and easy way to show support!

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    so snarky Mr. Sailer:

    Steve Sailer America 1 day ago

    Happy 90th birthday to Dr. Gans, but I can't help but think that he's missed noticing the modern "Flight from White." America isn't like it was when he arrived as refugee from Nazis in 1940 and it was prudent to downplay your diversity.

    Since 1969, the government and the culture hand out affirmative action money and prizes to people who claim to be Diverse, so self-interested persons of mixed descent tend to push hard on claims to the most rewarded identities.

    For example, there was the recent case of a Hawaiian-born individual who until his mid-20s was largely thought of by his friends as "just another mixed kid" or "international" or "multicultural." But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing a 150,000 word memoir about his ties to the African father he barely knew called "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."

    And things worked out really well for him. White people loved this guy who was raised by whites and Asians but who claimed to be black on the 2010 Census. They even made him President and paid him $400,000 per speech.
  84. Thea says:
    @Yan Shen
    Steve countering Dr. Gans by highlighting the phenomenon of the retreat from white by non-European Caucasian groups actually goes to the heart of a few key points that I've been making on this blog and elsewhere, in particular something which I referred to as the 21st century's Great Cultural Divergence.

    Not surprisingly, groups that were officially classified as white have been demanding to have the government count them as nonwhite. South Asians got themselves moved from Caucasian to Oriental/Asian in 1982 to make them eligible for minority business development privileges from the government.
     
    This kind of ties into the point I've been making that the so called hijacking of the SJW movement by Asians is actually disproportionately by Caucasian South Asian ethnic groups, hence a phenomenon that I uh referred to as Caucasian-on-Caucasian crime. Or to amend Steve's explanation of the situation, "Non-Asian Non-Tiger Cub Caucasians", along with fellow Hispanic and black Americans in this country more or less own the SJW racket. Apart from a handful of Jeff Guos, East Asian Americans mostly skew towards STEM and away from all of that other silliness, including business, politics, and media.

    Now going back to the phenomenon of the retreat from white and the general prevalence of left wing insanity in this country. Using multi-racial America as a microcosm for the global whole, it's become fairly apparent to me and to others like Tiger Mom, etc. that postmodern leftist memes have hijacked and colonized the minds of non-East Asians in a way that East Asians have largely been immune to. I offered up the example of the Asian guy in the library to illustrate exactly the heart of this increasing schism between Confucian and non-Confucian cultures, a schism that I argued could indeed have importance consequences over the coming decades in the 21st century.

    Dr. Gans thinks that the future of America won't be nearly so bad as some on the right fear because of increasing acceptance of and self identification by traditionally non-white groups as white or at the very least white enough. First as Steve argues, there's an increasing tendency for non-white Caucasian groups to identify as non-white as opposed to white, thus empirically contradicting the thrust of Mr. Gans' argument that the opposite would happen and that that would lead to increased unity in this country.



    But alas, all of this misses the point. That America may well be on the path towards devolving into another Brazil 100 years from now is really just the symptom of the memetic colonization of rational minds by the deadliest and most virulent of parasites. This colonization is itself the actual underlying disease, the "browning" of America merely one of the manifested symptoms. I may need to make the argument more forcefully both here and elsewhere, but really the cure for all of this insanity isn't right white populism or white nationalism or whatever else the media seems to believe has risen in response to the liberal status quo in America. It's Confucianism.

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement.
     
    What we really need and what the national conversation really should be directed towards is a fundamental reorientation of our national mindset. Tiger Mother was merely the opening salvo in what I believe may be the last best hope for curing ourselves of the pervasive sickness that seems to have afflicted so many people in this country. Confucianism, or at least a form modified for the cultural idiosyncrasies of specific non-Confucian cultures may be just what the doctor ordered. It's not that America should distance itself from black cultural proclivities as a way of moving forward in the 21st century, but rather that we should all strive to be moving away from postmodern leftist insanity towards the saner and more fertile grounds inhabited by such individuals as Tiger Mom, Yan Shen, Asian guy in the library etc etc.

    why adopt a foreign philosophy when we had a form of Christianity for our people that sustained us for centuries? Few Americans understand let alone embrace Confucius.

    We either return to our roots or we are finished.

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  85. Musings while perusing Sailer’s writing:

    (“Happy 90 birthday to Dr. Gans,…”) — So the goddamn geezer is soon to croak and he don’t give a shit about the cultural and societal destruction caused by mass immigration and the acceleration of those problems going forward, screw him.

    (“America isn’t like it was when he arrived as a refugee from Nazis in 1940…”)

    EVERY

    DAMN

    TIME

    Mass immigration has produced a low-level civil war in many European Christian nations and it is soon to cause full-scale civil wars in many. The demographic destruction caused by mass immigration will be stopped. The only question is how brutal the civil wars will be and of what duration the civil wars will be.

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  86. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    How did this ‘non-Hispanic white’ stuff’ get popularized? It’s an awkward phrase. How about non-black, non-Asian white? I don’t recall ever being asked what to be termed; ‘non-Hispanic white’ wouldn’t be at the top of the list.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    How did this ‘non-Hispanic white’ stuff’ get popularized? It’s an awkward phrase. How about non-black, non-Asian white? I don’t recall ever being asked what to be termed; ‘non-Hispanic white’ wouldn’t be at the top of the list.
     
    Personally, I favor White Anglo as the term to go with.
  87. res says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Actually, during the I Love Lucy era, non-Hispanic whites tended to see Hispanics as more white than they do now.

    My impression is that is because Hispanics in the US were in fact, for the most part, white back then. Most prominent Hispanics in the US were Mexicans and Cubans of Spanish ancestry. The big influx of Mexicans and Central Americans of indigenous stock started in the 1970s and really picked up speed in the 1980s due to the increase of violence in the region.

    Perhaps most, but remember the Puerto Rican immigration in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s: http://lcw.lehman.edu/lehman/depts/latinampuertorican/latinoweb/PuertoRico/1950s.htm

    I am assuming most of this was to the US, and yes one can make an argument about whether this is “immigration” given that they have citizenship.

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    • Replies: @AP
    Puerto Ricans are of about 50% European ancestry. They may have been seen to a certain extent as rivals/peers of urban "dark" whites such as Italians (i.e., West Side Story)
    , @Travis
    It is interesting that Puerto Ricans had been accepted as white and always rejected being classified as Black since the average Puerto Rican is 20% African genetically.

    but it explains why my cousin did not mind being called a Puerto Rican, although her father was African American. My Aunt (100% Irish) had a child with a Mulatto in 1959. my grandfather prevented her from marrying the guy. She was usually mistaken for being Puerto Rican, which certainly pleased my father and Grandfather. She attended an all white grammar school in a working class town. The High School was about 1% Black, but 99% of her friends were white. Luckily she was born in the 50s...if she was born after 1965 she may have embraced her African heritage.
  88. BB753 says:
    @whorefinder
    I had a thing for that actress, Ming-Na Wen, when she was on ER back in the 1990s, before she abruptly left after the first season (she came back later in the show, but the magic was gone). I was so enthralled that when she went and appeared on The Single Guy I began watching that sitcom just for her, even though she was a secondary charatcer. The weird things a good-looking woman can do to a guy....

    Anyway, she's aged quite nicely, as Asian women are wont to do. A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming, which the actress claimed hurt her career; she legitimately looked a decade younger, and had gotten younger-women parts, so the birth date release was inhibiting. I also know a couple of other Asian women (one an actress) who consistently lie and tell people (potential employers, potential boyfriends, etc. ) that they are about 10 years younger than they are---and get away with it.

    Anyway, despite looking younger and fitter, there's little rational excuse for tiny Asian women beating up a bunch of six foot tall guys. What's wrong with just being eye candy? As history demonstrates, eye candy ladies have been pretty powerful!

    Not only does she kick asses, she’s supposed to be one Shield’s most dangerous martial arts fighters! And she’s a top pilot as well. Come on, what are they trying to prove? Is this some kind of psy-ops to morally castrate boys into believing women are better than them?
    Though I have to agree the Asian actress doesn’t look her age, she’s well over fifty!

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  89. @Broski
    Thank you. I have been corrected. I would have acknowledged Stumpy Pepys's correction, but it had too many exclamation marks.

    I saw that about two minutes after it was too late to delete the comment. Sorry ’bout that.

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  90. AP says:
    @res
    Perhaps most, but remember the Puerto Rican immigration in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s: http://lcw.lehman.edu/lehman/depts/latinampuertorican/latinoweb/PuertoRico/1950s.htm

    I am assuming most of this was to the US, and yes one can make an argument about whether this is "immigration" given that they have citizenship.

    Puerto Ricans are of about 50% European ancestry. They may have been seen to a certain extent as rivals/peers of urban “dark” whites such as Italians (i.e., West Side Story)

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    • Replies: @Travis
    according to DNA testing Puerto Ricans are 70% European, 20% African and 10% Native American on average.

    Thus Puerto Ricans are more European than the illegal Mexicans and Central American who have crossed our borders over the last 30 years. The average illegal alien from Mexico is over 55% Native American , 5% Afrrican and just 40% European.
  91. @Stealth
    Your comment reminds me of that Powers Boothe line in Tombstone.

    Brevity is the soul of wit and all. Tombstone was a great movie.

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  92. Travis says:
    @res
    Perhaps most, but remember the Puerto Rican immigration in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s: http://lcw.lehman.edu/lehman/depts/latinampuertorican/latinoweb/PuertoRico/1950s.htm

    I am assuming most of this was to the US, and yes one can make an argument about whether this is "immigration" given that they have citizenship.

    It is interesting that Puerto Ricans had been accepted as white and always rejected being classified as Black since the average Puerto Rican is 20% African genetically.

    but it explains why my cousin did not mind being called a Puerto Rican, although her father was African American. My Aunt (100% Irish) had a child with a Mulatto in 1959. my grandfather prevented her from marrying the guy. She was usually mistaken for being Puerto Rican, which certainly pleased my father and Grandfather. She attended an all white grammar school in a working class town. The High School was about 1% Black, but 99% of her friends were white. Luckily she was born in the 50s…if she was born after 1965 she may have embraced her African heritage.

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  93. @Stationary Feast


    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.
     
    Yes but this isn’t a retreat from black so much as a manifestation of Confucian values in modern day America.
     
    How is defending white people a manifestation of Confucian values?

    My guess he’s referring to a general love of order and fairness, the notion that rules should be applied fairly and equally.

    I don’t think is very useful though. The cuckservatives tried that and it did absolutely nothing to stem liberalism. I mean, look at the entire cultural appropriation nonsense. If we applied it fairly, I can’t use this computer anymore because I’m appropriating white person technology(or at least should pay royalties to white people).

    In that sense, the funny African student meeting that rejected science for witchcraft is at least internally consistent.

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  94. 3g4me says:
    @syonredux

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    And "Hapas" (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)
     

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve’s “citizenism,” and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one’s adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one’s genetic heritage.

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    While I understand their point, taking to its natural conclusion easily goes to logical but ridiculous stretches. To actually work with the notion that it has to be Western Europeans west of the Hajanal line, you need to exclude all Eastern Europeans, Italians, and other traditionally white population. Following Amerika's Brett Stevens logic, you need to exclude the Irish as well - apparently because he considers them an admixture Southern European race.

    Its ideologically interesting, but unrealistic - even the actual Nazis had to compromise on this.
    , @Travis
    true but i suspect the main point is that America will remain more white despite the non-white births being below 50% because the only true minority is Blacks and most Hispanics identify as white, as do the rising number of Half Asians.

    willHalf Asians continue to be seen as white ? Half Mexicans ? a significant portion of the "Asians" will be half white and a majority of the hispanics in America are genetically over 60% European and 25% of hispanic women marry white men.

    Would the children of Ted Cruz be considered white ? Cruz himself has 3 European grandparents. His Paternal grandmother was also mostly European, although born in Cuba. His children, nevertheless, are considered non-white despite having 15 of their 16 Great Great grandparents born in Europe.

    Yet the children of Ted Cruz will qualify for affirmative action and other racial preferences due to having a Grandfather who was born in Cuba (to a spanish born father).
    , @syonredux

    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve’s “citizenism,” and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one’s adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one’s genetic heritage.
     
    Well, in the case of Hapas, we are are talking about people who are half-European.....
    , @AnotherDad

    Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one’s adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one’s genetic heritage.
     
    You first statement is a mathematical tautology, and the 2nd is obviously true.

    However, your understanding is too mechanical and static--essentially not not biological enough. Men, even from superior conquering tribes/nations have always ... ahem ... "incorporated" some DNA from those they triumphed over. This is actually useful in terms of providing genes for selection to work on and for a race to move forward.

    None of this is static. Even pure "white people" are not the same "white people" we were 2000 years back. We've had two millenia of selection working on us.

    The real issue is ... numbers.

    Could American whites have just swallowed up (merged with) American blacks-- in say 1865 and moved forward as white people? (Even if they'd wanted to?) No. I don't think so. The genetic and cultural gulf is too great. Even with the ratio, the dilution would have left us a mulatto nation that was significantly less capable. We'd really no longer been a white nation anymore. For all the conflict, one drop was the better program.

    Could American whites swallow up the American mestizos now? Not sure. Maybe. If the influx stopped immediately. And if we could develop and implement social policies to restore eugenic fertility and gradually drain off the "mestizoness".

    Could American whites swallow up the Asian American population now? Sure. Again if immigration stopped. Then it wouldn't even be much of an issue. The cultural traits are not wildly out of sync and in a few generations it would be like the typical American had one Asian great-great-grandparent. Really a non-issue.

    The key requirement to any more harmonious future: "if immigration stopped".

    Immigration is simply a disaster. Things are much worse now than when i was born in the post-War golden age. But they aren't completely intractable. But numbers matter! In another generation ... we're doomed. At best we'll be a somewhat smarter, sort of "high rent" Brazil.
  95. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Actually, during the I Love Lucy era, non-Hispanic whites tended to see Hispanics as more white than they do now”.

    That’s because they were. The majority of Hispanics in the US were of largely Spanish stock in the 2oth Century, and that may be why illegal immigration from South of the Border was tolerated. People living far away from Border States may have gotten the impression that “White Hispanic” was the default. But instead of droves Ricardo Montalbán’s and Fernando Lamas’ jumping the fence, they discovered it was armies of George Lopez’s and Danny Trejo’s.

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  96. @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    That was one smooth dude.

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  97. @Anonymous
    Confucianism has good and bad points, but in the context of America it doesn't matter.

    America will never be Confusion. I think it's safe to say there has never been a society in human history that is less in tune with Confucius than the contemporary USA.

    There is a better chance conservative Christianity will make a sudden comeback and correct the current ills - Instead of the zero percent possibility with Confusianism we are perhaps looking at a .00000000001 % possibility.

    It’s much higher than that.

    If America becomes a backwater of Chinese empire in the 22nd Century, many will adopt the dominant ethos of their rulers.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    And the "Confucianism" of the 22nd century will be pretty different. I guess the one thing that we know for certain is that religion will remain with us, whether Progressivism or Christianity.

    The rate things are going, I'm putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.
    , @Seth Largo
    I will happily be colonized and ruled by East Asians. A great improvement over progressive white Americans.
  98. @Old fogey
    I saw a few Ozzie and Harriet shows, but never cared for them. There were a number of programs at that same time that featured silly and bumbling father figures with all-knowing mothers. None of them rang true to me. Oh, and I'm in my 80th year.

    It was (and is) a common joke for that generation.

    The problem is that their kids, male and female, took them seriously.

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    • Replies: @guest
    The stupid father, suffering wife cliche is endemic to sitcoms, and has certainly gotten more pronounced over time. Even when the wife is stupid, as in All in the Family, she's much more sympathetic than the also-stupid husband.

    Take Everybody Loves Raymond, for instance, where the wife calls the husband an idiot explicitly at least once per episode. She's not altogether sympathetic, but the mother is a veritable genius, and even when she's wrong she's right. The father, on the other hand, is presented as subhuman.
  99. @Broski
    "the longstanding Republican strategy of turning itself into a whites-first party"

    Lies. Lies. So many lies all the time.

    Yeah, they care about being post-white more than literally anything else.

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  100. @Desiderius
    It's much higher than that.

    If America becomes a backwater of Chinese empire in the 22nd Century, many will adopt the dominant ethos of their rulers.

    And the “Confucianism” of the 22nd century will be pretty different. I guess the one thing that we know for certain is that religion will remain with us, whether Progressivism or Christianity.

    The rate things are going, I’m putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The rate things are going, I’m putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.
     
    New Caliphate--maybe. But it won't be ruling the world.

    The later 21st and 22nd Century will belong to the Chinese. They have the demographic weight and IQ. The West--America, the rest of the Anglo-sphere and Europe--have the weight, IQ and culture to have been in balance with them. But we are on a suicidal path.

    The Chi-coms have been really slow and pretty pathetic about addressing some of their demographic issues. (I've thought up better programs for them than what they've done.) But long term, because they are unburdened by "progressivism" or Christianity, the Chinese are going to get around to doing what they need to do. In terms of fertility, eugenics, direct genetic manipulation. Even just pushing people around. Wouldn't surprise me--once the West is neutered--for the Chinese to just colonize parts of Africa that they feel like taking over. What's to stop them? (They might address Steve's "most important graph in the world", by flying over and spraying some fertility suppressant, but simply conquest to provide lebensraum would do the trick.) The Chinese will be the world's big swinging dick. (Irony yes ;-)

    It's hard to predict exactly what the heck is going to happen in Europe on the downslope. Personally i don't think it's going to be a smooth handover. I think once it's just brutally clear that genocide/culturecide-submission is what's in store, there's going to be a reaction. Civil war? Partitioning? Expulsions? All very hard to predict. But one thing i don't see is a Caliphate with any weight to balance or push back the Chinese. Islam is just a religion, but the reality remains the actual practitioners of Islam are simply way too stupid to compete with the Chinese. A brown mulatto-Arab Europe is way too stupid.
  101. @3g4me
    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve's "citizenism," and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one's adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one's genetic heritage.

    While I understand their point, taking to its natural conclusion easily goes to logical but ridiculous stretches. To actually work with the notion that it has to be Western Europeans west of the Hajanal line, you need to exclude all Eastern Europeans, Italians, and other traditionally white population. Following Amerika’s Brett Stevens logic, you need to exclude the Irish as well – apparently because he considers them an admixture Southern European race.

    Its ideologically interesting, but unrealistic – even the actual Nazis had to compromise on this.

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  102. @syonredux

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement. The Democrats paid the price in 2016 as blacks couldn’t be bothered to come out in large numbers to vote for a nonblack.

    The Democrats may wind up being seen as the Black Party. To a lot of white people, it probably sounds awesome to be loyal to the Black Party, but I suspect a smaller percentage of Hispanics and Asians share those feelings.
     
    Certainly a possibility. Blacks do prize their status as "the greatest victim of White racism." And the Black university activists that I've encountered tend to simply not count East Asians when it comes time to measure diversity.....

    An anecdote: I attended a seminar on "race and the media" recently, and a speaker (Black) brought up the show AGENTS OF SHIELD, decrying its lack of diversity, as it had only one POC actor as a regular (a Black man). Someone then mentioned that the show was actually fairly diverse, as it had two East Asian women as part of the cast. The speaker grudging accepted Ming-Na Wen as a fellow POC, but doubted the POC credentials of the half-European Chloe Bennett...

    Birth Name: Chloe Wang

    Place of Birth: Chicago, Illinois, U.S.

    Date of Birth: April 18, 1992

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish, Irish, Swiss-German, German (mother)

     

    Its pretty well known, I think, by most East Asian men that they’re not accepted as POC by your average diversity crowd unless they engage in similar virtue signaling as goodwhites. There’s a combination of both race and class involved, I do think.

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    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    The family structure and child-raising behaviours of East Asians are at the other end of the r-k reproduction strategy spectrum from most POC groups. The Tiger Mom phenomenon is completely inconsistent with POC cultural norms. So East Asians are "more white than whites" by some key criteria. Maybe someone could convince the SJWs and MSM to include East Asians as white. We could swap the Muslim middle east ethnicity out and East Asians in to the white category. It would make more sense.
  103. @Desiderius
    It's much higher than that.

    If America becomes a backwater of Chinese empire in the 22nd Century, many will adopt the dominant ethos of their rulers.

    I will happily be colonized and ruled by East Asians. A great improvement over progressive white Americans.

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  104. The flight from white is reaching new heights of insanity.

    Alex Laughlin, a half-Asian waif recently wrote this in the WP:

    Growing up, the only Disney character I felt any relation to was Mowgli, from “The Jungle Book.” With my short brown hair and dark skin, I thought I looked just like him.

    With my dark skin . . .

    Allow me to introduce you to Alex Laughlin

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    There's something seriously wrong with popular culture and education where the number of role models seems to have gone kaput, and people seem to randomly pick characters from movies in order to identify with.

    Growing up, I identified with General Stonewall Jackson*, of all people. I realized that he might have rejected my existence if taken to the present day, but yet he seemed a brave, honorable and religious man of temperance. He seemed like someone I would like to grow up as, though I turned out not very religious at all - but there was something about faith to admire, nonetheless. If I was to pick a person of color, I probably would have said Booker T Washington, who seemed erudite and well-spoken.

    I never really thought to identify with someone because his or her skin color matched my shade closer.


    *Incidentally, I wondered why I had such admiration for Thomas Jackson above Lee, when arguably the latter was a better strategic general. My conclusion is perhaps that tactical victories were more dramatic and more romantic, and I can be a sucker for that.

  105. Travis says:
    @AP
    Puerto Ricans are of about 50% European ancestry. They may have been seen to a certain extent as rivals/peers of urban "dark" whites such as Italians (i.e., West Side Story)

    according to DNA testing Puerto Ricans are 70% European, 20% African and 10% Native American on average.

    Thus Puerto Ricans are more European than the illegal Mexicans and Central American who have crossed our borders over the last 30 years. The average illegal alien from Mexico is over 55% Native American , 5% Afrrican and just 40% European.

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    • Replies: @AP
    I guess it depends on the study.

    http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2014/07/25/genographic-project-dna-results-reveal-details-of-puerto-rican-history/

    The average Puerto Rican individual carries 12% Native American, 65% West Eurasian (Mediterranean, Northern European and/or Middle Eastern) and 20% Sub-Saharan African DNA.
     
  106. @Stealth
    Meg Tilly used to be HAWT in a vacant looking kind of way. Might still be. If not, don't tell me about it.

    Colin Firth was banging Meg back in the 80s – early 90s and they have a kid together.

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  107. @Daniel Chieh
    Its pretty well known, I think, by most East Asian men that they're not accepted as POC by your average diversity crowd unless they engage in similar virtue signaling as goodwhites. There's a combination of both race and class involved, I do think.

    The family structure and child-raising behaviours of East Asians are at the other end of the r-k reproduction strategy spectrum from most POC groups. The Tiger Mom phenomenon is completely inconsistent with POC cultural norms. So East Asians are “more white than whites” by some key criteria. Maybe someone could convince the SJWs and MSM to include East Asians as white. We could swap the Muslim middle east ethnicity out and East Asians in to the white category. It would make more sense.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    There's been quite a bit of rumbling about Asian privilege, which seems to trigger a lot of caterwauling by the goodAsians: "Don't hate on us! We hate whitey even more! We're oppressed people of color!" Its really fricking dumb. As continuum of tastes, hobbies, culture, etc, East Asians have far more in common with whites than others and this isn't like a new discovery. I mean, whites had weaboos in the 1800s - I was terribly and hilariously amused by an 1800s European visitor who claimed "[Japanese] swords are the greatest in the world."

    Offhand I can name off myself and friends who play chess, whites who obsess over Japanese anime, and the repeated rise of popularity of "Eastern Philosophy." Very few of the rest of the POC crowd demonstrates interest in such things at all.

    Probably we should encourage the diversicrats to wail on East Asians more, so maybe they see that bashing on Whitey doesn't save them.
  108. Travis says:
    @3g4me
    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve's "citizenism," and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one's adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one's genetic heritage.

    true but i suspect the main point is that America will remain more white despite the non-white births being below 50% because the only true minority is Blacks and most Hispanics identify as white, as do the rising number of Half Asians.

    willHalf Asians continue to be seen as white ? Half Mexicans ? a significant portion of the “Asians” will be half white and a majority of the hispanics in America are genetically over 60% European and 25% of hispanic women marry white men.

    Would the children of Ted Cruz be considered white ? Cruz himself has 3 European grandparents. His Paternal grandmother was also mostly European, although born in Cuba. His children, nevertheless, are considered non-white despite having 15 of their 16 Great Great grandparents born in Europe.

    Yet the children of Ted Cruz will qualify for affirmative action and other racial preferences due to having a Grandfather who was born in Cuba (to a spanish born father).

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  109. @Seth Largo
    The flight from white is reaching new heights of insanity.

    Alex Laughlin, a half-Asian waif recently wrote this in the WP:


    Growing up, the only Disney character I felt any relation to was Mowgli, from “The Jungle Book.” With my short brown hair and dark skin, I thought I looked just like him.
     
    With my dark skin . . .

    Allow me to introduce you to Alex Laughlin

    There’s something seriously wrong with popular culture and education where the number of role models seems to have gone kaput, and people seem to randomly pick characters from movies in order to identify with.

    Growing up, I identified with General Stonewall Jackson*, of all people. I realized that he might have rejected my existence if taken to the present day, but yet he seemed a brave, honorable and religious man of temperance. He seemed like someone I would like to grow up as, though I turned out not very religious at all – but there was something about faith to admire, nonetheless. If I was to pick a person of color, I probably would have said Booker T Washington, who seemed erudite and well-spoken.

    I never really thought to identify with someone because his or her skin color matched my shade closer.

    *Incidentally, I wondered why I had such admiration for Thomas Jackson above Lee, when arguably the latter was a better strategic general. My conclusion is perhaps that tactical victories were more dramatic and more romantic, and I can be a sucker for that.

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    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    I agree. As a 10 year old nerd, I identified equally with Han Solo and Lando Calrissian.

    In seriousness, you're absolutely right that almost all cultural touchstones---role models included---are pulled from popular movies rather than from history or, hell, even from literature.

    Also, I understand wanting some historical/cultural role models who look like you and share your ancestral heritage (though Asians and Muslims who complain about this are just retarded), but that's a different thing from what Laughlin and her ilk seem to be saying, which is, "I can only look up to people who look like me."
  110. syonredux says:
    @anonymous
    How did this 'non-Hispanic white' stuff' get popularized? It's an awkward phrase. How about non-black, non-Asian white? I don't recall ever being asked what to be termed; 'non-Hispanic white' wouldn't be at the top of the list.

    How did this ‘non-Hispanic white’ stuff’ get popularized? It’s an awkward phrase. How about non-black, non-Asian white? I don’t recall ever being asked what to be termed; ‘non-Hispanic white’ wouldn’t be at the top of the list.

    Personally, I favor White Anglo as the term to go with.

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  111. @syonredux

    Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.
     
    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet.....

    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet…..

    I’m 46 years old, and have never encountered “Ozzie and Harriet” in any context, other than as a sort of leftoid critique of normal family life. People half my age will dismissively reference “Ozzie and Harriet,” and I’m pretty darn sure that none of them have ever seen the show. They’ve been deploying this trope for as long as I can recall ie., since about 1980. I suspect it was already pretty stale, even at that time.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    I'm 72. I was raised by Ozzie and Harriet. In retrospect I see that it was wonderful.
  112. syonredux says:
    @3g4me
    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve's "citizenism," and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one's adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one's genetic heritage.

    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve’s “citizenism,” and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one’s adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one’s genetic heritage.

    Well, in the case of Hapas, we are are talking about people who are half-European…..

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  113. @Peter Johnson
    The family structure and child-raising behaviours of East Asians are at the other end of the r-k reproduction strategy spectrum from most POC groups. The Tiger Mom phenomenon is completely inconsistent with POC cultural norms. So East Asians are "more white than whites" by some key criteria. Maybe someone could convince the SJWs and MSM to include East Asians as white. We could swap the Muslim middle east ethnicity out and East Asians in to the white category. It would make more sense.

    There’s been quite a bit of rumbling about Asian privilege, which seems to trigger a lot of caterwauling by the goodAsians: “Don’t hate on us! We hate whitey even more! We’re oppressed people of color!” Its really fricking dumb. As continuum of tastes, hobbies, culture, etc, East Asians have far more in common with whites than others and this isn’t like a new discovery. I mean, whites had weaboos in the 1800s – I was terribly and hilariously amused by an 1800s European visitor who claimed “[Japanese] swords are the greatest in the world.”

    Offhand I can name off myself and friends who play chess, whites who obsess over Japanese anime, and the repeated rise of popularity of “Eastern Philosophy.” Very few of the rest of the POC crowd demonstrates interest in such things at all.

    Probably we should encourage the diversicrats to wail on East Asians more, so maybe they see that bashing on Whitey doesn’t save them.

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    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I, a person who considers race to be of paramount importance, have never had anything but the highest regard for Japan and the Japanese. I am proud of the fact that my ancestor Isaac Titsingh was one of those late 18th Century figures who both appreciated and was in turn appreciated by the learned and intellectually curious Japanese of his day.
    There is no comparison between the Japanese and other East Asians and the populations of other non-European lands, Africa least of all. You are a highly civilised race, and I do not believe that you will, as a body, join with your inferiors against us, your equals.
    , @Jason Liu
    Asian privilege is a good thing, as are all forms of privilege. I would very much like some.

    If Asian privilege isn't real, we should make it real.
  114. syonredux says:

    These numbers have become a handy data point for whites fearful that they are being threatened and “overwhelmed” by a growing tide of darker-skinned people. In this way, the census may have unintentionally increased white racism, thereby justifying the longstanding Republican strategy of turning itself into a whites-first party. White fears probably even helped Donald Trump win the 2016 election.

    Of course, Ganz fails to note the other side of the equation, as SJWs, eager to see the destruction of White America, welcome the census projections……

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  115. @CAL
    I'm just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.

    As syonredux said, if Desi was seen as a POC, that show never would have been aired.

    And I am old enough to have watched I Love Lucy when it was new.
    I can assure you that, even through my very racially aware eyes, I never thought of Desi as anything other than white.

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    '50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in '59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show
  116. @Travis
    I have never seen Ozzie and Harriet.
    The 50s shows have seen - Leave it to Beaver, I love Lucy and the Honeymooners. They were on TV on the VHF channels in the 80s. We did not have cable until 1987.

    I am 47 , probably nobody under the age of 50 has seen Ozzie and Harriet.

    I watched all the shows you mentioned as a boy, not thinking much of Leave it to Beaver, but loving the other two, although I had many other favorites, and liked Topper best of all. Ozzie and Harriet was not a favorite, but for some reason Sky King made a big impression on me.
    Oh yes: I’m 68.

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    • Replies: @syonredux
    Meant for this to go here:


    ’50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in ’59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show
  117. I was born a nice Iowa boy way back in ’44. I didn’t get to the deep south until the 90′s. I was (somewhat) surprised to find that D and R meant black and white respectively. After the Democrats year long 24/7 attack on white people I expect the whole county will be like the south. Not that I care. I hate both parties. D’s and R’s ruined the country. At the national level they are thieves, liars, murderers and traitors.

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  118. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It is positively amazing how fixated SJWs are on Ozzie and Harriet…..
     
    I'm 46 years old, and have never encountered "Ozzie and Harriet" in any context, other than as a sort of leftoid critique of normal family life. People half my age will dismissively reference "Ozzie and Harriet," and I'm pretty darn sure that none of them have ever seen the show. They've been deploying this trope for as long as I can recall ie., since about 1980. I suspect it was already pretty stale, even at that time.

    I’m 72. I was raised by Ozzie and Harriet. In retrospect I see that it was wonderful.

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  119. @Daniel Chieh
    There's been quite a bit of rumbling about Asian privilege, which seems to trigger a lot of caterwauling by the goodAsians: "Don't hate on us! We hate whitey even more! We're oppressed people of color!" Its really fricking dumb. As continuum of tastes, hobbies, culture, etc, East Asians have far more in common with whites than others and this isn't like a new discovery. I mean, whites had weaboos in the 1800s - I was terribly and hilariously amused by an 1800s European visitor who claimed "[Japanese] swords are the greatest in the world."

    Offhand I can name off myself and friends who play chess, whites who obsess over Japanese anime, and the repeated rise of popularity of "Eastern Philosophy." Very few of the rest of the POC crowd demonstrates interest in such things at all.

    Probably we should encourage the diversicrats to wail on East Asians more, so maybe they see that bashing on Whitey doesn't save them.

    I, a person who considers race to be of paramount importance, have never had anything but the highest regard for Japan and the Japanese. I am proud of the fact that my ancestor Isaac Titsingh was one of those late 18th Century figures who both appreciated and was in turn appreciated by the learned and intellectually curious Japanese of his day.
    There is no comparison between the Japanese and other East Asians and the populations of other non-European lands, Africa least of all. You are a highly civilised race, and I do not believe that you will, as a body, join with your inferiors against us, your equals.

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    I did not know of Isaac Titsingh. Thanks for linking me to know him!
  120. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anonymous
    "But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement."

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school's Facebook page.

    I think it's already starting to happen.

    It is appropriate that Asians ally with Caucasians. Democrats often try to split off Asians from whites by referring to blacks, browns and yellows as ‘people of color’. But that makes little sense either racially, historically or socially.

    Luigi Cavalli-Sforza speaks of the five major races of humanity as a hand. On that hand Europeans and Asians are fingers but the Africans are the thumb – meaning the appendage most different from the others. China and Europe are far apart geographically but not so much genetically.

    Another way to think of this is historically. Mankind developed in Africa but some groups split off. The groups that left early became Denisovans and Neanderthals. Later – only a few tens of thousands of years ago – anatomically modern humans arose in Africa and sent out another pulse of humans. The Africans stayed behind. So now we have a world with high IQ northern peoples (Europeans and East Asians) and we still have lower IQ people who never left.

    Then when you look at modern America one way to classify people is to divide the educated high income people from those who struggle in both school and the workplace. Chinese, Japanese and Koreans currently vote Democratic. But that is not likely to continue for long. All these East Asians were until quite recently oppressed by the white establishment (see old episodes of ‘Kung Fu’). But today my doctor is Korean and a lot of local stock brokers are Chinese (San Francisco Bay Area).

    iSteve is probably right – they will gravitate toward whites. There were no Japanese in the streets of Ferguson or Baltimore. The last time anyone can remember Asians in a riot were the Korean grocers on top of their stores during the Rodney King riots, shooting at the blacks.

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  121. guest says:

    “the longstanding Republican strategy of turning itself into a whites-first party”

    I wish that had been its longstanding strategy. But no, Republicans were way, way late to the identity politics game, and actually spent decades running away from it. This guy has Republicans confused with the propaganda of their opponents.

    Either that, or a “whites-first” political strategy is a disparate impact sort of thing, and any time you don’t go out of your way to deliberately favor nonwhites, you’re de facto strategizing on a whites-first basis.

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  122. Pat Boyle says:
    @whorefinder
    It's like the NY Times ("Punch anyone who works for white rights! They're Nazis!") realized that white worries about demographic replacement isn't something to shout "racist!" at or laugh about or taunt whites with, but attempt to dismiss using left-wing jiu-jitsui rhetoric.

    Shorter NY Times:

    "Pay no attention to the immigrants behind the curtain!"

    Unfortunately for those violent chuckleheads, no one concerned about white demographic replacement is listening to the NY Times.

    Drawing an analogy between modern day America and the Nazis requires that you can’t count.

    I was born in Washington DC our capital city. It is a black majority city. In the country as a whole there is about thirteen percent of the population who are negroes. But in 1933 Germany Jews were only about three quarters of one percent of German people and their capital city Berlin which had the highest concentration of Jews had only about four percent Jewish citizens.

    The Nazis picked on a tiny fraction of their people. It would be as if we decided to move against the Eskimos.

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  123. guest says:
    @Desiderius
    It was (and is) a common joke for that generation.

    The problem is that their kids, male and female, took them seriously.

    The stupid father, suffering wife cliche is endemic to sitcoms, and has certainly gotten more pronounced over time. Even when the wife is stupid, as in All in the Family, she’s much more sympathetic than the also-stupid husband.

    Take Everybody Loves Raymond, for instance, where the wife calls the husband an idiot explicitly at least once per episode. She’s not altogether sympathetic, but the mother is a veritable genius, and even when she’s wrong she’s right. The father, on the other hand, is presented as subhuman.

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  124. Pat Boyle says:
    @Franz Alkan Scriabin
    Powers Boothe was Curly Bill Brocius in Tombstone.

    Another Curly Brocius was Jon Voight in “The Hour of the Gun” with James Garner as Earp.

    You might also remember that only three men were killed at the OK Corral. Whereas there have been many times that many Hollywood movies about the events of that day. Current day Chicago has a less favorable ratio – hundreds shot in the streets each year and no movies.

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    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Interesting observation. My take is that the OK Corral myth is Hollywood sustainable because it provides a vehicle for the event of man taking gun to dispatch evil for the sake of righteousness. No doubt, many of the lives taken annually in Chicago are the result of struggles for the mantle of righteousness, but where is the artist who can create nobility from the image of futility? What poet can wend epic from the rhymes of rap? More likely our age has decayed long past the point where nobility has a shred of meaning beyond its ability to pluck, for a brief moment, the residual shadow of our former admiration and need for courage.
  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    '... Hispanic elites wanted to be seen as white...'

    Um, Mozart's third concerto for bongos? I don't think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY&index=1&list=RDMMrAV3bOJaQuY

    Watching White-As-The-Driven-Snow Desi playing the bongos (origin: possibly Central Africa) only serves as a reminder of the fact that Kooba was always controlled by whites up to and including the Fidel era while the Negros cut sugar cane, played “beisbol” and ate rice and beans. Arnaz himself came from a family with mucho dinero , so “Loosie” knew a deep pocket when she saw one.

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  126. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    And I am old enough to have watched I Love Lucy when it was new.
    I can assure you that, even through my very racially aware eyes, I never thought of Desi as anything other than white.

    ’50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in ’59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

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  127. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    I watched all the shows you mentioned as a boy, not thinking much of Leave it to Beaver, but loving the other two, although I had many other favorites, and liked Topper best of all. Ozzie and Harriet was not a favorite, but for some reason Sky King made a big impression on me.
    Oh yes: I'm 68.

    Meant for this to go here:

    ’50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in ’59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

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    Gracie Allen made that show. Too bad she, and not her lewd and unfunny husband, wasn't the one who lived to be a hundred.
    , @3g4me
    @131 Syon Redux:

    Perhaps because I had an older brother who generally determined what was on t.v., and/or I remember quite a bit from an early age {i.e. 2-4} I clearly recall Ozzie and Harriet, Make Room for Daddy, and particularly clearly Car 54 Where Are You. I realize some of these continued into the '60s, but I specifically remember watching them in our "old" house which we lived in until 1963.

    I am 58.
  128. @Anonymous
    "But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement."

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school's Facebook page.

    I think it's already starting to happen.

    Relevant:

    Why Legal Chinese Immigrants Support Trump

    And as noted, the Chinese elite tend to support Trump as bemoaned by one liberal commentator because “they lack understanding of political correctness.”

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  129. @newrouter
    Mr.Sailer @ 6 minute mark and forward:

    https://www.steynonline.com/7791/tomorrow-by-the-numbers

    Thanks newrouter. I’m more of a reading guy than video guy, and Steve has covered this territory in depth. But i’m slightly under the weather so sucking down my afternoon tea listen to Mr. Steyn laying out the demographic disaster for Europe, was as “pleasurable”–not quite the right word given how depressing–a time-killer as any other.

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  130. Jason Liu says:

    Professor Gans should be careful what he wishes for.

    If even half of Latinos/Asians really do assimilate into whiteness and stop voting based on race, the American left is done. They’d have to rely only on blacks a solid minority base, and the black population is barely growing.

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    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    Also, a lot of the illegal immigrants are middle aged now not young. The average age for immigrants in Santa Ana is about 43 years old and 22 for native born, their offspring or grandchildren. If Trump can cut off illegal immigration and get some to go home. Mexicans and other Latins may break away from the Dems by 10 years.
  131. Jason Liu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    There's been quite a bit of rumbling about Asian privilege, which seems to trigger a lot of caterwauling by the goodAsians: "Don't hate on us! We hate whitey even more! We're oppressed people of color!" Its really fricking dumb. As continuum of tastes, hobbies, culture, etc, East Asians have far more in common with whites than others and this isn't like a new discovery. I mean, whites had weaboos in the 1800s - I was terribly and hilariously amused by an 1800s European visitor who claimed "[Japanese] swords are the greatest in the world."

    Offhand I can name off myself and friends who play chess, whites who obsess over Japanese anime, and the repeated rise of popularity of "Eastern Philosophy." Very few of the rest of the POC crowd demonstrates interest in such things at all.

    Probably we should encourage the diversicrats to wail on East Asians more, so maybe they see that bashing on Whitey doesn't save them.

    Asian privilege is a good thing, as are all forms of privilege. I would very much like some.

    If Asian privilege isn’t real, we should make it real.

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    Didn't you use to post on Quora as a top writer until they banned you? You weren't very right-wing then, just a bit right of center. I guess you didn't appreciate being speech controlled.
  132. @syonredux
    Meant for this to go here:


    ’50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in ’59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    Gracie Allen made that show. Too bad she, and not her lewd and unfunny husband, wasn’t the one who lived to be a hundred.

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  133. @Jason Liu
    Asian privilege is a good thing, as are all forms of privilege. I would very much like some.

    If Asian privilege isn't real, we should make it real.

    Didn’t you use to post on Quora as a top writer until they banned you? You weren’t very right-wing then, just a bit right of center. I guess you didn’t appreciate being speech controlled.

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  134. These numbers have become a handy data point for whites fearful that they are being threatened and “overwhelmed” by a growing tide of darker-skinned people.

    What’s always missing is any actual reasoning for why “there’s anything wrong with that”, much less why we are mistaken? It’s always this weird–anti-biological–assertion that’s its just wrong to care.

    Again, my thinking is we need more forthright challenging of the liberal\Jewish\establishment narrative here that wanting our nation to be our nation is wrong. In fact–it’s normal.

    Secondly we need a more forthright declaration of who exactly is assaulting/infringing-upon whom. It is the establishment who is the aggressor, who is assaulting us, not vice-versa. We did not ask to give up our nation to foreigners, to live with foreigners. They are forcing us against our will.

    Thirdly demand an end to this assault–one way or another. The key word is “separation”. If these folks really want to live in an open borders utopia … fine! But they have no right to demand that the rest of us live in it too. (Again it’s an assault.) So let’s just separate. We’ll live in America, they can live in globutopia.

    ~~
    Of course, letting us go is of course *not* what they want. They want to feast on the white man’s labor while riding white gentile nations down into the ground. They want the end of American, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden … not some sort of comparative/competitive battle of nations and demographic systems. What’s really desired here is white genocide.

    But we have to force the issue of assault and separation to the fore to shine a bright light on what’s going on.

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  135. @Yan Shen
    Steve countering Dr. Gans by highlighting the phenomenon of the retreat from white by non-European Caucasian groups actually goes to the heart of a few key points that I've been making on this blog and elsewhere, in particular something which I referred to as the 21st century's Great Cultural Divergence.

    Not surprisingly, groups that were officially classified as white have been demanding to have the government count them as nonwhite. South Asians got themselves moved from Caucasian to Oriental/Asian in 1982 to make them eligible for minority business development privileges from the government.
     
    This kind of ties into the point I've been making that the so called hijacking of the SJW movement by Asians is actually disproportionately by Caucasian South Asian ethnic groups, hence a phenomenon that I uh referred to as Caucasian-on-Caucasian crime. Or to amend Steve's explanation of the situation, "Non-Asian Non-Tiger Cub Caucasians", along with fellow Hispanic and black Americans in this country more or less own the SJW racket. Apart from a handful of Jeff Guos, East Asian Americans mostly skew towards STEM and away from all of that other silliness, including business, politics, and media.

    Now going back to the phenomenon of the retreat from white and the general prevalence of left wing insanity in this country. Using multi-racial America as a microcosm for the global whole, it's become fairly apparent to me and to others like Tiger Mom, etc. that postmodern leftist memes have hijacked and colonized the minds of non-East Asians in a way that East Asians have largely been immune to. I offered up the example of the Asian guy in the library to illustrate exactly the heart of this increasing schism between Confucian and non-Confucian cultures, a schism that I argued could indeed have importance consequences over the coming decades in the 21st century.

    Dr. Gans thinks that the future of America won't be nearly so bad as some on the right fear because of increasing acceptance of and self identification by traditionally non-white groups as white or at the very least white enough. First as Steve argues, there's an increasing tendency for non-white Caucasian groups to identify as non-white as opposed to white, thus empirically contradicting the thrust of Mr. Gans' argument that the opposite would happen and that that would lead to increased unity in this country.



    But alas, all of this misses the point. That America may well be on the path towards devolving into another Brazil 100 years from now is really just the symptom of the memetic colonization of rational minds by the deadliest and most virulent of parasites. This colonization is itself the actual underlying disease, the "browning" of America merely one of the manifested symptoms. I may need to make the argument more forcefully both here and elsewhere, but really the cure for all of this insanity isn't right white populism or white nationalism or whatever else the media seems to believe has risen in response to the liberal status quo in America. It's Confucianism.

    But, there is some possibility that blacks will still manage to drive off some Asians and Hispanics from the Democratic Party via bad behavior, megalomania, and feelings of entitlement.
     
    What we really need and what the national conversation really should be directed towards is a fundamental reorientation of our national mindset. Tiger Mother was merely the opening salvo in what I believe may be the last best hope for curing ourselves of the pervasive sickness that seems to have afflicted so many people in this country. Confucianism, or at least a form modified for the cultural idiosyncrasies of specific non-Confucian cultures may be just what the doctor ordered. It's not that America should distance itself from black cultural proclivities as a way of moving forward in the 21st century, but rather that we should all strive to be moving away from postmodern leftist insanity towards the saner and more fertile grounds inhabited by such individuals as Tiger Mom, Yan Shen, Asian guy in the library etc etc.

    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it’s the West–WEIRD socities–that are susceptible.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism–great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much–have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people’s Confucian heritage–then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

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    I'm waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don't think it'll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    , @Jason Liu
    China isn't terribly Confucian in practice, and Confucian values are not really held up as some gold standard. They have as much sway on East Asian culture as Christian values do in the west -- somewhat, but not totally. It's legalism that sets China apart from western political thinking.

    To be honest, Mr. Yan's comment history shows rather strange orientalist views, and uses too many tropes and stereotypes.

    Yan Shen, if you're reading this: East and West are certainly not the same. But we're not from different planets either.
    , @dfordoom

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.
     
    The problem with western nations is that westerners do not want to save their own society. As long as they have their internet porn, and cheap smartphones, and comic-book movies, they don't care.

    If you look at Europe, even among the small minority who vote for nationalist parties most are liberals. They are worried that Muslims will be mean to homosexuals and won't put up with the feminist nonsense of modern women. Among Americans, even among Trump voters most are liberals (and Trump is a liberal).

    The best thing that could happen to the West is a good hard dose of sharia law. It might purge the poison of liberalism. I'm looking forward to it. White Europeans are too weak to deserve to survive.
    , @dfordoom

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.
     
    Western society has been diseased since the 18th century. The Enlightenment was the beginning of the end. Western civilisation was worth saving up until that point.
  136. @AnotherDad
    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it's the West--WEIRD socities--that are susceptible.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism--great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much--have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people's Confucian heritage--then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    I’m waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don’t think it’ll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

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    Confucianism isn't exactly a rival to Christianity, being a philosophic framework akin to the ones we had in the pagan West. Christianity can be erected on this framework, as was done by Ricci and the Jesuits, though things later didn't work out so well for them. I haven't been able to get a copy of the Tianzhu Shiyi, regrettably.

    Christendom is the laboratory from which the liberal plague was launched; it might also be the source of the vaccine, though things now hardly look good for that hypothesis.
    , @Anonymous
    According to Confucian ethics, people owe loyalty to parents, siblings, rulers, children and spouses. Outside of that they owe nothing to anyone. Christians by contrast are expected to show charity to all needy people everywhere. This is why the West goes out of its way to import the wretched poor of the world and why wealthy Asian countries will never do likewise.
    , @snorlax

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.
     
    It's certainly associated with all manner of neuroses — in the East Asian context there's (among other things) all the obsessive-compulsive cultural practices (tea ceremonies and such).
    , @dfordoom

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.
     
    The problem is the High IQ idiots. Moderately high IQ combined with common sense and a respect for tradition is useful.

    To believe in really really dumb self-destructive ideas seems to require a high IQ. Who was it who said that some things are so stupid that only an educated person could believe them?

    The problem with Europeans is too much education. Only a tiny minority of people need a university education. For most people a university education is dangerous and harmful.

    This might be true of East Asians as well? Especially when they're exposed to what passes for education in the West.
  137. Jason Liu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Didn't you use to post on Quora as a top writer until they banned you? You weren't very right-wing then, just a bit right of center. I guess you didn't appreciate being speech controlled.

    I’ve never posted on Quora.

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  138. @Daniel Chieh
    There's something seriously wrong with popular culture and education where the number of role models seems to have gone kaput, and people seem to randomly pick characters from movies in order to identify with.

    Growing up, I identified with General Stonewall Jackson*, of all people. I realized that he might have rejected my existence if taken to the present day, but yet he seemed a brave, honorable and religious man of temperance. He seemed like someone I would like to grow up as, though I turned out not very religious at all - but there was something about faith to admire, nonetheless. If I was to pick a person of color, I probably would have said Booker T Washington, who seemed erudite and well-spoken.

    I never really thought to identify with someone because his or her skin color matched my shade closer.


    *Incidentally, I wondered why I had such admiration for Thomas Jackson above Lee, when arguably the latter was a better strategic general. My conclusion is perhaps that tactical victories were more dramatic and more romantic, and I can be a sucker for that.

    I agree. As a 10 year old nerd, I identified equally with Han Solo and Lando Calrissian.

    In seriousness, you’re absolutely right that almost all cultural touchstones—role models included—are pulled from popular movies rather than from history or, hell, even from literature.

    Also, I understand wanting some historical/cultural role models who look like you and share your ancestral heritage (though Asians and Muslims who complain about this are just retarded), but that’s a different thing from what Laughlin and her ilk seem to be saying, which is, “I can only look up to people who look like me.”

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  139. Jason Liu says:
    @AnotherDad
    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it's the West--WEIRD socities--that are susceptible.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism--great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much--have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people's Confucian heritage--then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    China isn’t terribly Confucian in practice, and Confucian values are not really held up as some gold standard. They have as much sway on East Asian culture as Christian values do in the west — somewhat, but not totally. It’s legalism that sets China apart from western political thinking.

    To be honest, Mr. Yan’s comment history shows rather strange orientalist views, and uses too many tropes and stereotypes.

    Yan Shen, if you’re reading this: East and West are certainly not the same. But we’re not from different planets either.

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  140. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder
    It's like the NY Times ("Punch anyone who works for white rights! They're Nazis!") realized that white worries about demographic replacement isn't something to shout "racist!" at or laugh about or taunt whites with, but attempt to dismiss using left-wing jiu-jitsui rhetoric.

    Shorter NY Times:

    "Pay no attention to the immigrants behind the curtain!"

    Unfortunately for those violent chuckleheads, no one concerned about white demographic replacement is listening to the NY Times.

    Race-ists are noble Placists. They have a sense of place.

    Globalists are ugly Replacists. They deny a people their right of place.

    Replacism is just softer form of Ethnic Cleansing.

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  141. RSDB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I'm waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don't think it'll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    Confucianism isn’t exactly a rival to Christianity, being a philosophic framework akin to the ones we had in the pagan West. Christianity can be erected on this framework, as was done by Ricci and the Jesuits, though things later didn’t work out so well for them. I haven’t been able to get a copy of the Tianzhu Shiyi, regrettably.

    Christendom is the laboratory from which the liberal plague was launched; it might also be the source of the vaccine, though things now hardly look good for that hypothesis.

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  142. @3g4me
    Civic nationalists, adherents to Steve's "citizenism," and the Alt-lite may consider them White, but fundamental to the genuine Alt-Right is truth. Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one's adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one's genetic heritage.

    Not A can never be A. Adopting a protective coloration or even claiming one’s adherence to a particular culture or ideology does not alter one’s genetic heritage.

    You first statement is a mathematical tautology, and the 2nd is obviously true.

    However, your understanding is too mechanical and static–essentially not not biological enough. Men, even from superior conquering tribes/nations have always … ahem … “incorporated” some DNA from those they triumphed over. This is actually useful in terms of providing genes for selection to work on and for a race to move forward.

    None of this is static. Even pure “white people” are not the same “white people” we were 2000 years back. We’ve had two millenia of selection working on us.

    The real issue is … numbers.

    Could American whites have just swallowed up (merged with) American blacks– in say 1865 and moved forward as white people? (Even if they’d wanted to?) No. I don’t think so. The genetic and cultural gulf is too great. Even with the ratio, the dilution would have left us a mulatto nation that was significantly less capable. We’d really no longer been a white nation anymore. For all the conflict, one drop was the better program.

    Could American whites swallow up the American mestizos now? Not sure. Maybe. If the influx stopped immediately. And if we could develop and implement social policies to restore eugenic fertility and gradually drain off the “mestizoness”.

    Could American whites swallow up the Asian American population now? Sure. Again if immigration stopped. Then it wouldn’t even be much of an issue. The cultural traits are not wildly out of sync and in a few generations it would be like the typical American had one Asian great-great-grandparent. Really a non-issue.

    The key requirement to any more harmonious future: “if immigration stopped“.

    Immigration is simply a disaster. Things are much worse now than when i was born in the post-War golden age. But they aren’t completely intractable. But numbers matter! In another generation … we’re doomed. At best we’ll be a somewhat smarter, sort of “high rent” Brazil.

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  143. @Daniel Chieh
    And the "Confucianism" of the 22nd century will be pretty different. I guess the one thing that we know for certain is that religion will remain with us, whether Progressivism or Christianity.

    The rate things are going, I'm putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.

    The rate things are going, I’m putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.

    New Caliphate–maybe. But it won’t be ruling the world.

    The later 21st and 22nd Century will belong to the Chinese. They have the demographic weight and IQ. The West–America, the rest of the Anglo-sphere and Europe–have the weight, IQ and culture to have been in balance with them. But we are on a suicidal path.

    The Chi-coms have been really slow and pretty pathetic about addressing some of their demographic issues. (I’ve thought up better programs for them than what they’ve done.) But long term, because they are unburdened by “progressivism” or Christianity, the Chinese are going to get around to doing what they need to do. In terms of fertility, eugenics, direct genetic manipulation. Even just pushing people around. Wouldn’t surprise me–once the West is neutered–for the Chinese to just colonize parts of Africa that they feel like taking over. What’s to stop them? (They might address Steve’s “most important graph in the world”, by flying over and spraying some fertility suppressant, but simply conquest to provide lebensraum would do the trick.) The Chinese will be the world’s big swinging dick. (Irony yes ;-)

    It’s hard to predict exactly what the heck is going to happen in Europe on the downslope. Personally i don’t think it’s going to be a smooth handover. I think once it’s just brutally clear that genocide/culturecide-submission is what’s in store, there’s going to be a reaction. Civil war? Partitioning? Expulsions? All very hard to predict. But one thing i don’t see is a Caliphate with any weight to balance or push back the Chinese. Islam is just a religion, but the reality remains the actual practitioners of Islam are simply way too stupid to compete with the Chinese. A brown mulatto-Arab Europe is way too stupid.

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    You're assuming that China is immune to self-destructive progressive memes as the West is. Evidence for this isn't absolute; other Asian countries such as Korea, Japan and Taiwan all have plunging TFR and some have subscribed heavily to liberal Western values such as Korea. In all of those countries, too, including China, there's at least a substantial minority that wants to mimic the West in all things.

    Dr. Daniel A Bell, for example, tried to equate Confucianism with "if compassion is the greatest virtue, then government should be staffed with gay men and women" and attempted to advance this to the CCP. So far, yes, it hasn't been very successful but there's a lot of the youth that want to pursue more individualistic interests and lobby for "freedom" such as same-sex marriage and transgender rights.

    The government, large portions which do seem to be aware that this is a problem, is struggling just to even stem this "influence of Western universalist values" before they can really do much else. The truth is that progressive values do manage to penetrate higher IQ societies pretty well, mutating as they might have to be; the very values of say, long time value and focus on education, can gradually spin out to increase childlessness. Ever greater urbanization increases crowding, which in itself can reduce family values. Higher status and independence for women results in less marriage, as well as increased lesbianism, etc.

    It may very well be that high IQ is in itself toxic. Perhaps in a world with enough resources, the winners are women who are too dumb or too religious to use protection correctly and men who do not care for their offspring.

  144. IAmCorn says:
    @syonredux

    They smell blood from Josh Whedon. Otherwise why would anyone bring up a terrible tv show nobody watches.
     
    Judging from various comments that I've read on SJW sites, Whedon is in bad odor these days. I've actually seen the word "problematic" used in articles about Buffy, the Vampire Slayer.....

    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.

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    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.
     
    Without a doubt. But it's another sign of how Maoist the SJWs have become, always ready to denounce the slightest hint of crimethink.....
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Yeah, but Firefly was great because of dialog like this:

    Captain Mal Reynolds" "You don't know me, son, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed."
  145. @Old Palo Altan
    I, a person who considers race to be of paramount importance, have never had anything but the highest regard for Japan and the Japanese. I am proud of the fact that my ancestor Isaac Titsingh was one of those late 18th Century figures who both appreciated and was in turn appreciated by the learned and intellectually curious Japanese of his day.
    There is no comparison between the Japanese and other East Asians and the populations of other non-European lands, Africa least of all. You are a highly civilised race, and I do not believe that you will, as a body, join with your inferiors against us, your equals.

    I did not know of Isaac Titsingh. Thanks for linking me to know him!

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  146. @Pat Boyle
    Another Curly Brocius was Jon Voight in "The Hour of the Gun" with James Garner as Earp.

    You might also remember that only three men were killed at the OK Corral. Whereas there have been many times that many Hollywood movies about the events of that day. Current day Chicago has a less favorable ratio - hundreds shot in the streets each year and no movies.

    Interesting observation. My take is that the OK Corral myth is Hollywood sustainable because it provides a vehicle for the event of man taking gun to dispatch evil for the sake of righteousness. No doubt, many of the lives taken annually in Chicago are the result of struggles for the mantle of righteousness, but where is the artist who can create nobility from the image of futility? What poet can wend epic from the rhymes of rap? More likely our age has decayed long past the point where nobility has a shred of meaning beyond its ability to pluck, for a brief moment, the residual shadow of our former admiration and need for courage.

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  147. syonredux says:
    @IAmCorn
    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.

    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.

    Without a doubt. But it’s another sign of how Maoist the SJWs have become, always ready to denounce the slightest hint of crimethink…..

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  148. newrouter says:
    @jb
    Steve has a comment on the Times article, and I would encourage anyone with a Times account to go and recommend it.

    In fact I think Steve should make a general practice of linking to his comments from his blog posts (if necessary updating his posts when a comment appears after the post has been written) and encouraging his readers to recommend them. Or at minimum, Steve or one of his readers should do what I've just done here in the blog comments; noting that a Times comment has appeared, and linking to it. Getting a couple dozen upvotes from iSteve readers would go a long way towards boosting Steve's comments towards the top of the Reader Picks list, which would in turn help make people more aware of Steve's blog. Come on guys -- this is a cheap and easy way to show support!

    so snarky Mr. Sailer:

    Steve Sailer America 1 day ago

    Happy 90th birthday to Dr. Gans, but I can’t help but think that he’s missed noticing the modern “Flight from White.” America isn’t like it was when he arrived as refugee from Nazis in 1940 and it was prudent to downplay your diversity.

    Since 1969, the government and the culture hand out affirmative action money and prizes to people who claim to be Diverse, so self-interested persons of mixed descent tend to push hard on claims to the most rewarded identities.

    For example, there was the recent case of a Hawaiian-born individual who until his mid-20s was largely thought of by his friends as “just another mixed kid” or “international” or “multicultural.” But he eventually decided to emphasize his black ancestry, writing a 150,000 word memoir about his ties to the African father he barely knew called “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

    And things worked out really well for him. White people loved this guy who was raised by whites and Asians but who claimed to be black on the 2010 Census. They even made him President and paid him $400,000 per speech.

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  149. @AnotherDad

    The rate things are going, I’m putting up pretty high odds for a new Caliphate.
     
    New Caliphate--maybe. But it won't be ruling the world.

    The later 21st and 22nd Century will belong to the Chinese. They have the demographic weight and IQ. The West--America, the rest of the Anglo-sphere and Europe--have the weight, IQ and culture to have been in balance with them. But we are on a suicidal path.

    The Chi-coms have been really slow and pretty pathetic about addressing some of their demographic issues. (I've thought up better programs for them than what they've done.) But long term, because they are unburdened by "progressivism" or Christianity, the Chinese are going to get around to doing what they need to do. In terms of fertility, eugenics, direct genetic manipulation. Even just pushing people around. Wouldn't surprise me--once the West is neutered--for the Chinese to just colonize parts of Africa that they feel like taking over. What's to stop them? (They might address Steve's "most important graph in the world", by flying over and spraying some fertility suppressant, but simply conquest to provide lebensraum would do the trick.) The Chinese will be the world's big swinging dick. (Irony yes ;-)

    It's hard to predict exactly what the heck is going to happen in Europe on the downslope. Personally i don't think it's going to be a smooth handover. I think once it's just brutally clear that genocide/culturecide-submission is what's in store, there's going to be a reaction. Civil war? Partitioning? Expulsions? All very hard to predict. But one thing i don't see is a Caliphate with any weight to balance or push back the Chinese. Islam is just a religion, but the reality remains the actual practitioners of Islam are simply way too stupid to compete with the Chinese. A brown mulatto-Arab Europe is way too stupid.

    You’re assuming that China is immune to self-destructive progressive memes as the West is. Evidence for this isn’t absolute; other Asian countries such as Korea, Japan and Taiwan all have plunging TFR and some have subscribed heavily to liberal Western values such as Korea. In all of those countries, too, including China, there’s at least a substantial minority that wants to mimic the West in all things.

    Dr. Daniel A Bell, for example, tried to equate Confucianism with “if compassion is the greatest virtue, then government should be staffed with gay men and women” and attempted to advance this to the CCP. So far, yes, it hasn’t been very successful but there’s a lot of the youth that want to pursue more individualistic interests and lobby for “freedom” such as same-sex marriage and transgender rights.

    The government, large portions which do seem to be aware that this is a problem, is struggling just to even stem this “influence of Western universalist values” before they can really do much else. The truth is that progressive values do manage to penetrate higher IQ societies pretty well, mutating as they might have to be; the very values of say, long time value and focus on education, can gradually spin out to increase childlessness. Ever greater urbanization increases crowding, which in itself can reduce family values. Higher status and independence for women results in less marriage, as well as increased lesbianism, etc.

    It may very well be that high IQ is in itself toxic. Perhaps in a world with enough resources, the winners are women who are too dumb or too religious to use protection correctly and men who do not care for their offspring.

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  150. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    I'm waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don't think it'll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    According to Confucian ethics, people owe loyalty to parents, siblings, rulers, children and spouses. Outside of that they owe nothing to anyone. Christians by contrast are expected to show charity to all needy people everywhere. This is why the West goes out of its way to import the wretched poor of the world and why wealthy Asian countries will never do likewise.

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  151. AP says:
    @Travis
    according to DNA testing Puerto Ricans are 70% European, 20% African and 10% Native American on average.

    Thus Puerto Ricans are more European than the illegal Mexicans and Central American who have crossed our borders over the last 30 years. The average illegal alien from Mexico is over 55% Native American , 5% Afrrican and just 40% European.

    I guess it depends on the study.

    http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2014/07/25/genographic-project-dna-results-reveal-details-of-puerto-rican-history/

    The average Puerto Rican individual carries 12% Native American, 65% West Eurasian (Mediterranean, Northern European and/or Middle Eastern) and 20% Sub-Saharan African DNA.

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  152. @Jason Liu
    Professor Gans should be careful what he wishes for.

    If even half of Latinos/Asians really do assimilate into whiteness and stop voting based on race, the American left is done. They'd have to rely only on blacks a solid minority base, and the black population is barely growing.

    Also, a lot of the illegal immigrants are middle aged now not young. The average age for immigrants in Santa Ana is about 43 years old and 22 for native born, their offspring or grandchildren. If Trump can cut off illegal immigration and get some to go home. Mexicans and other Latins may break away from the Dems by 10 years.

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  153. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnotherDad
    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it's the West--WEIRD socities--that are susceptible.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism--great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much--have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people's Confucian heritage--then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    The problem with western nations is that westerners do not want to save their own society. As long as they have their internet porn, and cheap smartphones, and comic-book movies, they don’t care.

    If you look at Europe, even among the small minority who vote for nationalist parties most are liberals. They are worried that Muslims will be mean to homosexuals and won’t put up with the feminist nonsense of modern women. Among Americans, even among Trump voters most are liberals (and Trump is a liberal).

    The best thing that could happen to the West is a good hard dose of sharia law. It might purge the poison of liberalism. I’m looking forward to it. White Europeans are too weak to deserve to survive.

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    White Europeans are too weak to deserve to survive.
     
    You have no understanding of human nature at all. And your best case will sweep away everything you care about. Then you will spend your remaining days lamenting the world that once was.
  154. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnotherDad
    Yan Shen,

    I already debunked you claim that Confucianism is some sort of unique inoculation against civilizational destruction. It is not Confucianism that is immune, rather it's the West--WEIRD socities--that are susceptible.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/scott-adams-wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/#comment-1868413

    As to your love of Confucianism--great. But we actual Americans do not live in a Confucian society and have zero interest in becoming one. If you love Confucianism so much--have this intense ethno-racial connection to your people's Confucian heritage--then you should just go live in China.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.

    Western society has been diseased since the 18th century. The Enlightenment was the beginning of the end. Western civilisation was worth saving up until that point.

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  155. 3g4me says:
    @syonredux
    Meant for this to go here:


    ’50s TV Shows that I have seen:

    Have Gun-Will Travel (The all-time best TV Western)

    Your Show of Shows

    Zorro

    The Twilight Zone (started in ’59, so it counts)

    The Honeymooners

    The Adventures of Superman

    Zorro

    Peter Gunn

    I Love Lucy

    Leave It To Beaver

    Playhouse 90

    The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show

    @131 Syon Redux:

    Perhaps because I had an older brother who generally determined what was on t.v., and/or I remember quite a bit from an early age {i.e. 2-4} I clearly recall Ozzie and Harriet, Make Room for Daddy, and particularly clearly Car 54 Where Are You. I realize some of these continued into the ’60s, but I specifically remember watching them in our “old” house which we lived in until 1963.

    I am 58.

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    I clearly recall Ozzie and Harriet, Make Room for Daddy, and particularly clearly Car 54 Where Are You.
     
    I'm the same age as you. I remember all those sitcoms. And the drama series of the late 50s - Peter Gunn (which wasn't very good), Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer (the one with Darren McGavin which was excellent), Dragnet (the original 50s version), Hawaiian Eye, 77 Sunset Strip, Maverick, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, Rawhide, etc.

    There were some terrible series as well, like The Twilight Zone (non-stop liberal propaganda).
  156. 3g4me says:

    @146 AnotherDad:

    Excellent comment and valid points, none of which I dispute. I think a clear distinction needs to be made between “who” is regarding “whom” as “White.” Among citizenists, any % down to 0 is okay, as long as they technically identify as superficially “American” and claim to revere Western Civilization. Among Christian Alt-Lite, pretty much the same definition {i.e. millions of Nigerians would be good for “America” as long as they were “Christian”}. For the left, any % of non-White genetic heritage sufficient to be noticeable and a history of aggressive ethnic advocacy and anti-White/anti-Western agitation seems to be sufficient to be considered part of “people of color,” although there remain gradations and the darker Negro women will never cease to resent the lighter {for which reason the lighter are generally the more militantly in favor of Whites being miscegenated out of existence}.

    The Alt-Right has its own factions. The Alt-White crowd varies, with some who reject southern Italians and others who are okay with a small % of mystery meat and mischlings as long as they keep quiet and have a history of aiming left. The Alt-Reich recognizes only North Europeans
    {Germans and Scandinavians} as genuine Whites. The Alt-West is similar to the Alt-White in practice although it adds Christianity as an absolute prerequisite along with Roman/Greek historical culture and European White people as the three elements of Western Civilization. Again, most are willing to accept a certain % of mixed or Asian people, as long as White Europeans are a significant and dominant majority {generally 85 – 95%}.

    Please note I write not from self interest, as I am a special snowflake {and my spouse has 9-16% Jewish ancestry per 23andMe}, but too many here among Steve’s commentariat fail to clearly define their terms and consider mere recognition of Negro dysfunction makes them Alt-Right, regardless of their Jewish, Asian, Mulatto, or other heritage. Specificity has its place and can be over-emphasized, but ignoring it altogether tends to lead to playing fast and loose with truth and factual reality.

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  157. @whorefinder
    I had a thing for that actress, Ming-Na Wen, when she was on ER back in the 1990s, before she abruptly left after the first season (she came back later in the show, but the magic was gone). I was so enthralled that when she went and appeared on The Single Guy I began watching that sitcom just for her, even though she was a secondary charatcer. The weird things a good-looking woman can do to a guy....

    Anyway, she's aged quite nicely, as Asian women are wont to do. A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming, which the actress claimed hurt her career; she legitimately looked a decade younger, and had gotten younger-women parts, so the birth date release was inhibiting. I also know a couple of other Asian women (one an actress) who consistently lie and tell people (potential employers, potential boyfriends, etc. ) that they are about 10 years younger than they are---and get away with it.

    Anyway, despite looking younger and fitter, there's little rational excuse for tiny Asian women beating up a bunch of six foot tall guys. What's wrong with just being eye candy? As history demonstrates, eye candy ladies have been pretty powerful!

    A few years ago an Asian actress sued IMDB because it gave her real birth date, which was about a decade younger than what she was claiming

    Don’t you mean older?

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  158. @Formerly CARealist
    yeah, i've never even seen an episode of O and H. How old now are the people who watched it?

    As to Ricky Ricardo and that drum number, it's pretty darn foreign. I like hearing it once, but that's enough. Definitely not sustainable, at least for this whitey.

    The irony of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet being forgotten is that it is the longest-running live-action American television sitcom at 14 years

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    It looks like The Jack Benny Program just beats it at 15 years (though with fewer episodes filmed, 343 vs 435). And I think one can make a convincing argument that the title-holder ought to be Sesame Street (47 years and 4,386 episodes so far), which seems to fit all the criteria: a live-action show featuring a stable cast of recurring characters in situations intended to be comedic (to the target audience).

    Apologies for being an annoying pedant.
  159. @IAmCorn
    Eating their own, Whedon is a notorious liberal buffoon.

    Yeah, but Firefly was great because of dialog like this:

    Captain Mal Reynolds” “You don’t know me, son, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you’ll be awake, you’ll be facing me, and you’ll be armed.”

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  160. snorlax says:
    @ScarletNumber
    The irony of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet being forgotten is that it is the longest-running live-action American television sitcom at 14 years

    It looks like The Jack Benny Program just beats it at 15 years (though with fewer episodes filmed, 343 vs 435). And I think one can make a convincing argument that the title-holder ought to be Sesame Street (47 years and 4,386 episodes so far), which seems to fit all the criteria: a live-action show featuring a stable cast of recurring characters in situations intended to be comedic (to the target audience).

    Apologies for being an annoying pedant.

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  161. snorlax says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I'm waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don't think it'll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    It’s certainly associated with all manner of neuroses — in the East Asian context there’s (among other things) all the obsessive-compulsive cultural practices (tea ceremonies and such).

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  162. dfordoom says: • Website
    @3g4me
    @131 Syon Redux:

    Perhaps because I had an older brother who generally determined what was on t.v., and/or I remember quite a bit from an early age {i.e. 2-4} I clearly recall Ozzie and Harriet, Make Room for Daddy, and particularly clearly Car 54 Where Are You. I realize some of these continued into the '60s, but I specifically remember watching them in our "old" house which we lived in until 1963.

    I am 58.

    I clearly recall Ozzie and Harriet, Make Room for Daddy, and particularly clearly Car 54 Where Are You.

    I’m the same age as you. I remember all those sitcoms. And the drama series of the late 50s – Peter Gunn (which wasn’t very good), Mickey Spillane’s Mike Hammer (the one with Darren McGavin which was excellent), Dragnet (the original 50s version), Hawaiian Eye, 77 Sunset Strip, Maverick, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, Rawhide, etc.

    There were some terrible series as well, like The Twilight Zone (non-stop liberal propaganda).

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  163. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh
    I'm waiting for Confucianism to actually show it can resist liberal memes before I advocate that it can do anything at all. Sadly, I don't think it'll actually prove much more resistant to progressive ideas than Christianity. Progressivism is one heck of an adaptable virus.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    I have a theory that intelligence is actually anti-survival, for better or worse.

    The problem is the High IQ idiots. Moderately high IQ combined with common sense and a respect for tradition is useful.

    To believe in really really dumb self-destructive ideas seems to require a high IQ. Who was it who said that some things are so stupid that only an educated person could believe them?

    The problem with Europeans is too much education. Only a tiny minority of people need a university education. For most people a university education is dangerous and harmful.

    This might be true of East Asians as well? Especially when they’re exposed to what passes for education in the West.

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  164. @dfordoom

    America is a Western society and its patriots want to save it as such.
     
    The problem with western nations is that westerners do not want to save their own society. As long as they have their internet porn, and cheap smartphones, and comic-book movies, they don't care.

    If you look at Europe, even among the small minority who vote for nationalist parties most are liberals. They are worried that Muslims will be mean to homosexuals and won't put up with the feminist nonsense of modern women. Among Americans, even among Trump voters most are liberals (and Trump is a liberal).

    The best thing that could happen to the West is a good hard dose of sharia law. It might purge the poison of liberalism. I'm looking forward to it. White Europeans are too weak to deserve to survive.

    White Europeans are too weak to deserve to survive.

    You have no understanding of human nature at all. And your best case will sweep away everything you care about. Then you will spend your remaining days lamenting the world that once was.

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  165. FPD72 says:
    @whorefinder

    Boothe played the other guy whose name I can’t recall.
     
    Boothe did a great job voicing Gorilla Grodd in the Justice League cartoon series. In a series full of absolutely fantastic voice work---including Clancy Brown's butt-kicking version of Lex Luthor----Boothe was (perhaps) the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOFrGqDMPd8

    Booth was incredible as Jim Jones in the CBS biopic miniseries. I think he won an Emmy for the role. I had listened to the Jamestown tapes on PBS earlier and the similarity was eerie. He didn’t so much portray Jones as channel him.

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    Is Powers Booth related to the 19th Century acting Booths?
  166. @FPD72
    Booth was incredible as Jim Jones in the CBS biopic miniseries. I think he won an Emmy for the role. I had listened to the Jamestown tapes on PBS earlier and the similarity was eerie. He didn't so much portray Jones as channel him.

    Is Powers Booth related to the 19th Century acting Booths?

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    Not that I know of. Actually, I misspelled his name; it should have been "Boothe." He grew up on a farm near Snyder, Texas, in the heart of cotton and oil country. It's a very hard scrabble place; not where I would expect the descendants of southern theatrical aristocracy to end up.
  167. FPD72 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is Powers Booth related to the 19th Century acting Booths?

    Not that I know of. Actually, I misspelled his name; it should have been “Boothe.” He grew up on a farm near Snyder, Texas, in the heart of cotton and oil country. It’s a very hard scrabble place; not where I would expect the descendants of southern theatrical aristocracy to end up.

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  168. @Stealth
    LOL. "...majority minority..."

    If there is no majority group in a country, that country is one hundred percent minority, not majority minority. How do they come up with this crap?

    Oh, I forgot; liberals have their own definition of that word, that they created out of thin air without consulting the rest of us. They're really bad about that, you know. They'll take a common word and change the meaning of it. For instance, "refugee" simply means "immigrant."

    This is especially true of words and expressions originated by enemies of the left. At one point, "immigration reform" meant putting an end to illegal immigration and reducing the legal kind. Now it means putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a Path to Citizenship and dramatically increasing the number of legal immigrants. "Politically correct" referred to white guilt and other toxic BS liberals shoved down our throats, but the liberals got a hold of that one, too, and before you knew it Bill Maher was using Politically Incorrect as the title for his television show. I guess they think it means straight talk or something.

    Word hijacking, man.

    > word jacking
    Yes, and eg NPR was well down the road of calling illegals, just, ‘immigrants’ for a while. I think they had to step back to be clear as to who Trump was deporting.

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  169. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    At the UC I attend the Asians tend to defend whites against verbal attacks and witch hunts from black and hispanic students on the school’s Facebook page.

    I think it’s already starting to happen.
     
    And "Hapas" (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc

    Birth Name: Dean George Tanaka

    Place of Birth: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA

    Date of Birth: July 31, 1966

    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Japanese
    *62.5% European (including English, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh)
     

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     

    Birth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 14, 1960

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    Birth Name: Jennifer Ellen Chan

    Place of Birth: Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: September 16, 1958

    Ethnicity:
    *Chinese (father)
    *Finnish, Irish, First Nations (mother)
     

    “And “Hapas” (European-East Asian mixes) tend to be perceived as White. Cf people like Dean Cain, Meg and Jennifer Tilly, Phoebe Cates, etc”

    I remember Keanu Reeves was called a Whiteboy in the Vibrantly Diverse urban inner city film Street Kings.

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  170. Jefferson says:
    @CAL
    I'm just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.

    As syonredux said, if Desi was seen as a POC, that show never would have been aired.

    “I’m just old enough to have seen I Love Lucy reruns on broadcast TV. From my recollection most people thought of Mexicans as white like Desi or brownish (swarthy) like the ones you saw in Westerns. The main thing was that people saw Hispanics as having a different culture and less as a racial distinction. The native Central Americans were never much seen or thought of.”

    So Cesar Chavez was seen as a White man in the eyes of Nordic blond White Gringos back in the 1950s when he was coming up as a Mexican civil rights activists?

    Aftter all you claim that Mexicans back in the days were seen as a White ethnic group no different than the Ellis Island demographic of Slavs, Italians, Jews, and the Irish.

    How can Mexicans be a White ethnic group when Mexico is not even a majority Conquistador country.

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