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The Birth of a Nation (2016 film)

The Birth of a Nation is a 2016 American period drama film about Nat Turner, the slave who led a slave rebellion in Southampton County, Virginia in 1831. The film is co-written, co-produced and directed by Nate Parker, in his directorial debut. …

The Birth of a Nation is written, produced, and directed by Nate Parker, who also stars as Nat Turner. Parker wrote the screenplay, which was based on a story by him and Jean McGianni Celestin.[4] Parker learned about Turner from an African-American studies course at the University of Oklahoma. …

The 2016 film uses the same title as “the title of D.W. Griffith’s 1915 KKK propaganda film in a very purposeful way”, said The Hollywood Reporter.[5] Nate Parker said his film had the same title “ironically, but very much by design”.[6] He told the magazine Filmmaker:

Griffith’s film relied heavily on racist propaganda to evoke fear and desperation as a tool to solidify white supremacy as the lifeblood of American sustenance. Not only did this film motivate the massive resurgence of the terror group the Ku Klux Klan and the carnage exacted against people of African descent, it served as the foundation of the film industry we know today. I’ve reclaimed this title and re-purposed it as a tool to challenge racism and white supremacy in America, to inspire a riotous disposition toward any and all injustice in this country (and abroad) and to promote the kind of honest confrontation that will galvanize our society toward healing and sustained systemic change.[7]

The most popular American movie of the Silent Era, “Birth of a Nation,” and the most popular movie of Golden Age Hollywood, “Gone with the Wind,” both involve the Reconstruction Era. Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge.

Today, it’s universally assumed that both movies were presenting a completely fabricated notion that black liberation at the end of the Civil War led to a period of increased black on white rapes. On the other hand, white people much closer in time to the late 1860s didn’t seem to have much trouble believing these movies in 1915 and 1939.

Since then, however, we’ve witnessed two periods of black liberation that were indeed followed by an increase in rape rates: in South Africa in the 1990s and in post Civil Rights America in the later 1960s (as feminist Susan Brownmiller noted). (Most of the victims tended to black women, however.)

So, maybe the original “Birth of a Nation” wasn’t wholly ahistorical?

But nobody who is anybody believes that. Or at least nobody wants to think about that.

So, Parker was the big personal winner in the Hollywood Diversity hoopla of the last year:

The Birth of a Nation premiered in competition at the 2016 Sundance Film Festival on January 25, 2016.[5] Before it screened, the audience gave a standing ovation to the introduction of Nate Parker.[12] After it premiered, Variety said it “received the most enthusiastic standing ovation at this year’s Sundance Film Festival so far”.[13] Following The Birth of a Nation’s Sundance premiere, Fox Searchlight Pictures bought worldwide rights to the film in a $17.5 million deal.

Competing deals also came from The Weinstein Company, Sony Pictures Entertainment, and Netflix. Variety said Fox Searchlight’s deal was “the richest in Sundance history”.[14]

But then things got a little more complicated.

It turns out that Parker and Celestin were on the Penn State wrestling team in 1999, and both were arrested and tried for allegedly raping a drunk white coed. Parker was acquitted but his buddy Celestin, the co-author of the film’s story, was convicted for joining in.

Parker transferred to wrestle for the U. of Oklahoma, where he took his fateful African-American Studies course. Celestin’s conviction was overturned on appeal and prosecutors declined to press charges again although the alleged victim wanted to testify again.

The coed eventually committed suicide.

This incident sounds kind of like the recent Vanderbilt football team gang rape scandal. There seems to be a pattern of scandals that start with drunk coeds maybe wanting to have sex with one jock, but then him letting his teammates have their way with her too.

Perhaps this is a team-building exercise, a way to boost esprit d’corps?

Anyway, since jocks are largely recruited to come to college, administrations should be held responsible when their gladiators run amok among the female students.

But college jocks assaulting coeds is one of those issues that neither Republicans nor Democrats are comfortable with. Republican politicians tend to love college sports, especially state flagship university sports.

And both Republicans and Democrats are extremely uncomfortable about scandals that disproportionately involve black rapists. It’s too much like the original “Birth of a Nation” for modern white people to deal with.

The Daily Beast has the full story of the rape scandal:

PAINFUL HISTORY 08.16.16 2:44 PM ET
Inside the Nate Parker Rape Case

The Daily Beast delves into Birth of a Nation filmmaker Nate Parker’s college rape trial—and speaks to the family of the alleged victim, who committed suicide a decade later.

WRITTEN BY KATE BRIQUELET and M.L. NESTEL

It was no simple wave.

Minutes after bringing down the Sundance Film Festival house with the world premiere of Birth of a Nation, filmmaker Nate Parker invited the “family” of cast and crew (most had tears in their eyes) onstage for helping him land his eight-year opus on the silver screen.
During the Q&A, Parker realized he had missed someone.

“Jean? Where’s Jean? Come here,” he said, waving his right hand that held the mic.

Jean was Jean Celestin—Parker’s former Penn State roommate and wrestling teammate. The bearded, bespectacled man took his place next to Parker and was praised for co-writing and developing the film about Nat Turner’s slave rebellion that is already an Oscar favorite.
They stood there, soaking up the splendor.

But that wave. Celestin had perhaps seen it before.

It was back in August 1999, when Parker allegedly waved Celestin into his bedroom as he was having sex with a Penn State freshman, according to court testimony.

Here are some intriguing Coalition of the Fringes details from the Daily Beast story. First, how the Penn State athletic department handled this situation:

About five weeks after the alleged rape, Celestin and Parker approached two mentors about Jennifer’s supposed pregnancy, according to a written statement Nate Parker submitted to Penn State’s disciplinary board. The wrestlers hoped their life coaches “could give us some advice about Jennifer’s surprise.”

Brian Favors worked at the athletic department and Coach Kerry McCoy had recruited Parker to become a Nittany Lion, later staying on as a volunteer after a new coaching guard led by Troy Sunderland took over the program.

Parker told McCoy that a fling from two months prior had landed the guys in hot water. Parker told his mentor “for some reason she says she doesn’t remember the evening,” according to his statement to the university.

“She knew everything that went on that night,” he told McCoy.

The coach allegedly told Parker to “be very nice to [Jennifer] when she called again,” Parker wrote, and to “try to find out just what she wanted from me.”

McCoy, who is black, suggested that Jennifer, who was white, may have been falsely crying rape because she didn’t want to admit that she’d slept with a black man.

“These things come up from time to time with girls who feel guilty about what they did before, or may even find themselves pregnant with a multiracial child and rejected by their parents,” McCoy said, according to Parker’s statement. …

And, how the Black Students Caucus felt:

The coaches didn’t speak publicly about the rape allegations, but members of Penn State’s Black Student Caucus did.

The case appeared to cause a divide on campus, particularly between women’s-rights activists and Black Student Caucus members.

After Celestin’s conviction, supporters rallied to let him graduate before he was sentenced to jail. The judge tailored his jail term so that Celestin could obtain his political science degree but the move faced protests from victims-rights advocates, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

The uproar led to Penn State expelling Celestin for two years and preventing his graduation, according to the Inquirer.

District Attorney Ray Gricar told the student newspaper, the Daily Collegian, that the case’s outcome had nothing to do with race: “The verdict is solidly based on the law and evidence and that’s all—nothing more than that.”

But some students thought a “contentious racial climate” had contributed to Celestin’s conviction, as one caucus member told Collegian.

“Do you really think a black male of color, who is accused of raping a white female in Centre County, can get a fair trial when a jury of his peers are all white except one female of color? That’s a problem,” the student said.

… After police opened an investigation into the rape allegations, Parker and Celestin allegedly launched an “organized campaign to harass [Jennifer] and make her fear for her safety,” according to a March 2002 federal civil suit, launched by the Women’s Law Project against Penn State on Jennifer’s behalf. The suit argued that college administrators favored the athletes over Jennifer after she brought the rape allegations and failed to protect her from Parker and his friends’ reprisals.

The university settled for $17,500 in December 2002, the Daily Collegian reported. Penn State did not respond to requests for comment on the Parker and Celestin case.

The identity of Parker and Celestin’s accuser was initially confidential—she was unnamed in news stories and listed only as Jane Doe in the federal lawsuit—but, according to the civil case, the wrestlers allegedly hired a private eye who splashed an enlarged photograph of Jennifer around campus so students could supply dirt on her.

The charade exposed Jennifer’s identity, the civil suit claimed, and resulted in her harassment on campus. The wrestlers and their pals allegedly “constantly hurled sexual epithets” at Jennifer while trailing her on campus. They also made harassing phone calls to her dorm, the lawsuit claimed.

So you can see the importance to the reigning Coalition of the Fringes to make up hoaxes about white male rapists, like Duke Lacrosse and Haven Monahan. Without constantly ginning up hatred of the straight white male bad guys as their common denominator, how can the Democrats hold their coalition together?

And Republicans don’t want to wreck their favorite college’s chances in sports by worrying about who their coaches are recruiting onto campus with their daughters.

 
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  1. How long until the “hate the straight white cisgendered male” routine hits diminishing returns?

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    About the time White Liberal straight men quit voting for Democrats. Until then, there ARE no diminishing returns.
    , @Olorin
    I dunno, seems to have legs under it still.

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/to-remove-confederate-from-a-buildings-name-vanderbilt-will-return-an-83-year-old-donation

    Coz that's way more racism-y than

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-you-get-for-your-62320-check-for-your-daughter-to-attend-vanderbilt/

    , @Neoconned
    I have no sympathy for mudsharks aka white girls with "jungle fever."

    I messed around with a 20 yr old white girl who kept telling me she had been raped by several black guys and then I kept seeing her date them.

    They date them because they think black guys are hung.

    Or like this girl - she made a stupid decision by chasing this black dude in the 1st place. And now that she got burned she's screaming for the taxpayer to come take Care of her baby and also for the taxpayer to pay a ton of cash to prosecute her ex to get even with him for daring to "spread" around to his trash friends.

    She brought this on herself. She expected the taxpayer to incarcerate these men and then pay tens of thousands per year to house and feed them.

    I'm tiring of this fast.

    Maybe it's time if they date outside our race we "throw them out" and let treerhis thugs have her. I'm tired of this women lib shit.

    Time for women to learn to behave and stop acting like skanks or face social alienation among their fellow whites.

    Life isn't fair. White women want the best of both worlds. They want Cadillac sized benefits from white men plus our protection but they want to slum it with the brothers.

    If theygo black, I say let them stay back.

    Really, that's enough of that shit allready
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  2. Clyde says:

    You mentioned the Vanderbilt gang rape case where they also pissed on the victim and were stupid enough to take photo and video which the police found.

    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/

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    • Replies: @Hidden Cat
    The Vanderbilt gang rapists were in full throttle and gloried in what they did, so much they video'd audio and still shot the night and sent them around to friends, including one guy in (iirc) Calfiornia who sent it all to the cloud. The case, which started out innocuously as a look at security film because of a break-in at the dorm, 2 decent detectives viewed the sec film and saw what they suspected - just from the hallway cameras - was a all night gang rape. They went to her to tell her what had happened.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    That victim also went thru two trials, originally Batey and Vandenburg had been tried together, found quilty and the case overturned on a technicality. The retrial was bifurcated and Batey went first. She got thru it AGAIN. He went down again. IIRC the sentencing was 20 years. I hope events occur in prison that lengthen that sentence. Double it.
  3. Onginer says:

    Wrestling is a very white sport, it coincides with basketball season. I wrestled at a Big Ten University and graduated in 2010. Most of the blacks that I know that wrestled have a very different mentality than other blacks, if they had the same mentality, they would be playing basketball during the winter season and not wrestling. They also didn’t fall into typical black group think, on my team we had three blacks total on a thirty man roster, and none of them hung out with the others, the blacks would stick with their entering class, rather than each other.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Wow,were they from some hitherto unknown black-looking race different than the rest? This should be researched by Razhib Khan,or perhaps Kizer Khan?
    , @Jack Highlands
    The fact that the two Black wrestlers in question here went on to cinematography tends to prove your point Onginer, although as with AA in general, no doubt they received lots of (((help))) along the way.

    However, the fact that the cinematography in question may be the most blatantly anti-White piece to emerge so far (saying something in light of Django, Machete, etc) shows that even for Black wrestlers, blood is far thicker than water.

    So why should we feel positive about their talented tenth status? It only makes them more dangerous enemies.
  4. anon930 says:

    oh boy, this is a classic. By the way Steve, did you catch Caster Semenya running in the semi-finals of the 800 like an hour ago. I took one look at him/her and knew there was an iSteve article on him/her.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My 2012 article on Caster Semenya:

    http://takimag.com/article/the_last_hurdle_in_sports_steve_sailer/print#axzz4HjhOKK27

    , @Steve Sailer
    My 2012 article on Caster Semenya:

    http://takimag.com/article/the_last_hurdle_in_sports_steve_sailer/print#axzz4HjhOKK27

  5. @anon930
    oh boy, this is a classic. By the way Steve, did you catch Caster Semenya running in the semi-finals of the 800 like an hour ago. I took one look at him/her and knew there was an iSteve article on him/her.
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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Celestin’s conviction was overturned on appeal and prosecutors declined to press charges again although the alleged victim wanted to testify again.”

    That’s the opposite of what I’ve seen repeatedly reported elsewhere: that they wanted to prosecute, but the victim wasn’t willing to testify and go through it a second time.

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  7. @anon930
    oh boy, this is a classic. By the way Steve, did you catch Caster Semenya running in the semi-finals of the 800 like an hour ago. I took one look at him/her and knew there was an iSteve article on him/her.
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  8. ‘…Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge…’

    You are incorrect about GWTW. Here is that shanty town scene:

    There is also a scene with a White Union deserter, as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett.

    I don’t recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell’s idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.

    Remember that the White overseer Wilkerson has illicit sex —- with a White trash woman. Heavens that anyone would think…

    There are also no very light-skinned Blacks in the movie because, well, same.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I don’t recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell’s idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.
     
    That's not it. In the book, the rapists Scarlett escaped from were Black, but the makers of GWTW did a Dick Wolf and changed their race.
    , @jake
    In the novel, the attempted rape is black on white. Mitchell wasn't nearly as naive as you think. I haven't seen the film for years, but I seem to recall that the group was both black and white.

    Hollywood, ala Stalin and doctored photographs and documents, was erasing black on white rape as soon as the truths of Griffith's film reverberated. Even the usually liberal novelist Pat Conroy has a brutal black on white rape in The Great Santini, a rape that a friend of Conroy's from his school days told me at a conference in SC was based on an actual rape. Hollywood certainly never intended to include the rape in the movie.

    Many years ago, there was a gang rape in a dorm by University of Arkansas basketball players, and maybe a football player or two. All of the accused were black. The coach was Nolan Richardson, a black man who accused everyone of racism, even referees who called fouls on his team. The black female cleaning staff somehow managed to clean the room, thoroughly, before even campus police arrived. When the feminists got around to protesting, they focused virtually 100% of their anger and frustration on white men.
    , @Epaminondas
    "....as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett."

    Butler and Scarlet were married at the time. And the following scene shows Scarlet awakening the morning after in a very frisky mood.

    The attempted rape scene shows the white guy attempting to ravish Scarlet while the black guy never touches her. The book was more brutal and honest about the event. Hollywood chickened out.
  9. Halvorson says:

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.

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    • Replies: @Dr. X

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.
     
    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth -- not at all unlike the Soviet Union? The "Official Story" is that innocent blacks everywhere are cowering in fear of white supremacists and nightriders of the KKK, out to torture and lynch them for sport. The reality is that blacks commit the lion's share of violent crime in this country, more than half the murders, and literally all the inter-racial rapes. Yet the propaganda machine tells us that it is a "racist myth" that blacks are sexually insatiable and violent.

    The Democratic Party is playing with racial fire by stoking black hatred of whites. The latest example is Milwaukee, where a black cop shot a black thug, and the black arsonists and street mobs wanted to kill whites on account of it. Someday they're going to provoke a national, coast-to-coast race war, and maybe then the scales will fall from white peoples' eyes -- probably too late.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    A special edit including those details should be included in presentations for specific demographics. Imagine the box office sales if they had a special "Birth of a Nation: Uprising in the 'Hood Edition"
    , @Anon
    By making a movie about it, some white liberals will begin to research the topic to bone up on their race-history virtue signalling, and then they'll find the story isn't exactly what they thought it was. At that point, all talk about the movie will peter out, especially when Parker and Celestin's history of real-life rape gets mentioned and the victim's suicide is made the subject of gossip. Thanks to the liberal media's concealment of black crime, most liberals likely hadn't even heard of the rape. The movie will shove the crime to center stage.
    , @AnotherDad
    If someone's enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy--and kill them. Works for me.

    The problem isn't Nat Turner. It's today, when we have to put up with both all this crime--murder, rape, assault--that uglifies our cities and then all the histrionics over black garbage like Trayvon! or the gentle giant, and then all this nonsense that whitey is oppressing them, while in reality they are being dragged along on subsidy and have the privilege of living in pretty nice 1st world nation, which they couldn't possibly achieve on their own.

    ~~

    Separation. It's time. We did the MLK experiment and the truth is on "content of their character" ... blacks on average come up short. They don't like being "oppressed" by whitey. I don't like dealing with their bullshit. Separation is "win-win".

    Even if not immediately feasible white folks need to at least bring it up. It serves to call bullshit on their narrative.
    , @SPMoore8
    If the new Birth of a Nation is truly honest, it will also show the family where all ten children were decapitated and stacked like cordwood in the front yard. To be sure ,details like that might be a little sketchy, but Nat Turner's gang was quite brutal and murderous.

    The fact that the guy who made the movie intoxicated a woman and got her to perform oral sex on him, and then his friend, is a rather sordid detail about the guy. It's not relevant, but it is.

    My main concern with the film is that it will serve as a justification for future violence, especially if it is graphic.
  10. newrouter says:

    >Not only did this film motivate the massive resurgence of the terror group the Ku Klux Klan and the carnage exacted against people of African descent, it served as the foundation of the film industry we know today<

    true hollyweird votes democrat

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  11. I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    you shouldn't take advantage of stupid/impaired peeps.
    , @Some Economist
    These women are victims of years of propaganda that has suggested to them that being in the presence of a black athlete and alcohol could not possibly result in being raped by him and his friend and being further harassed and etc.

    I was in college around the same time as this event happened, and other women I was friends with, while otherwise savvy, were pretty clueless about these risks, because assessing risks is of course racist. I have a great deal of sympathy for this woman, as I'm just aspie enough to deflect the narrative, but not so much so that I can't see that most women are not.
    , @ben tillman

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.
     
    You're sick.
    , @Otto the P
    You have a resume? Doubtful.
    , @Anonymous
    There you go with your notions, this purblind idea that otherwise-very-powerful female persons have any degree of latitude to tailor their actions in order to avoid painful outcomes of mayhem & trauma at least most of the time, if not every time. P'SHAWWW

    Though born with superior native judgment the meritorious hard-working disempowered yet confident assertive woman-worldbeater is *still* victimized by the patriarchy/SkyNet which maliciously hunts her down, despite post-1950s advances in feminist technology. It's past time to implement dual solution of enfranchising the wimmens, moar, und dann disenfranchising, enslaving certain men, for great justice

    , @AnotherDad

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.
     
    Wise to not put this thought on your resume.

    There's a whole lot to be said about the sorry state of women--drunkenness, hookups--these days. But even given that, having the bad judgement to say "yes" to one guy, doesn't--and shouldn't--mean you've said yes to all his friends.

    Furthermore, one should have some sympathy--at least for these young co-eds, if not older women--given the incredibly destructive propaganda women, especially white women are constantly exposed to:
    -- they should be able to behave like guys, and it's sexist to suggest otherwise
    -- partying to drunkenness is ok
    -- their sexuality is to "be explored", hookups are ok
    -- black men are acceptable romantic and sexual partners.

    Yes, this woman should never have put herself in this situation. But women are conformists and our culture feeds women--which many young women absorb as fairly naive and clueless girls--these destructive lies. And then they are dumped on campus with black athletes, and instead of protective realism, nothing but fuzzy headed b.s. in their heads.

    People are responsible for their actions, but it sure helps people--especially young people and doubly especially young women--if the culture isn't lying to them and feeding them stupid shit.
    , @RonaldB
    Women are simply not given the equipment to cope with their situations, especially in the light of expectations generated through the feminist movement.

    It comes down to personal empowerment.

    First is the ability and obligation to say "no". This seems elementary, but many people have a difficult time saying "no", to their detriment. People use emotional blackmail and feigned hurt feelings to bludgeon others into doing what they want. Girls should be coached on saying "no", particularly to blacks.

    Second is the principle of never, ever being intoxicated in a social situation. This may involve the ability to say "no", when someone pressures them to drink. The question of blame is secondary: it's no consolation to a girl who is raped when her rapist is sentenced to prison. Much better to simply not be in the situation.

    There are actually ways to practice these things. Public speaking groups teach assertiveness. There are workshops on saying "no". These would be useful for adolescents entering college. I think churches would do well to offer these to their youth.

    There are blacks who take full advantage of racial guilt to coerce whites, so part of learning to say "no" is to become desensitized to the "racist" label.
    , @L Woods
    I don't have any sympathy either, but that's really besides the point here. The perp richly deserves to be (metaphorically of course) strung up regardless of the turpitude of the victim.
    , @annamaria
    You mean, if your sister or daughter got raped and kill herself you would first start assessing your feelings whether the girl deserves any sympathy? She died because of the organized harassment: "the identity of Parker and Celestin’s accuser was initially confidential.. but, according to the civil case, the wrestlers allegedly hired a private eye who splashed an enlarged photograph of Jennifer around campus so students could supply dirt on her. The wrestlers and their pals allegedly “constantly hurled sexual epithets” at Jennifer while trailing her on campus. They also made harassing phone calls to her dorm, the lawsuit claimed."

    Would you dance on a grave of your harassed relative? Or there is something in the story that you found deeply satisfying?
  12. newrouter says:

    >Not only did this film motivate the massive resurgence of the terror group the Ku Klux Klan and the carnage exacted against people of African descent, it served as the foundation of the film industry we know today<

    someone should tell him about the klan bake at the 1924 democrat convention for his reaction….

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  13. Calogero says:

    How can he “reclaim” a movie title that was never his to begin with?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I suppose it's totally plausible, and just shows me up for being an effete snob, but I laughed at the bit about Parker learning of Nat Turner well into his edu-career, as if it were the Nag Hammadi or supersymmetry. A standard high school history curriculum will mention Turner and John Brown at least in passing. Then I started wondering who turned him on to Griffith's BOAN, which I'm guessing he also didn't check out of Redbox back in the day. Has he even watched the first film?? Hugely important, or so they say; invented the close-up... Reclaim away, young dumb college grads!
  14. newrouter says:
    @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    you shouldn’t take advantage of stupid/impaired peeps.

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  15. “Perhaps this is a team-building exercise, a way to boost esprit d’corps?”

    The mentality is captured in this 23 year old Snoop Dogg song “Ain’t No Fun (If The Homies Can’t Have None)”

    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/snoopdogg/aintnofunifthehomiescanthavenone.html

    Also it’s part of the progressive stack in action: a white woman will ultimately have to take it on the chin in order not to offend the non-whites who are higher up on the stack. Feminist groups are too cowardly to go after rapes that involve non-white suspects so white girls are on their own more often than not. See also: Europe’s new friends from the Mideast.

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  16. BenKenobi says:

    One day soon, they will beg for a loony lefty such as Pat Buchanan.

    I’m talkin’ Full Kurtz: The Doctrine.

    See the genius in the pile of little arms, mein schutze.

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    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    mein schutze?

    Schutze means protection

    do you mean Schatz?

    Schatz means darling
  17. iffen says:

    hatred of the straight white male bad guys

    I’m glad we don’t have to get into non-straight white male bad guys at Penn State.

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  18. Dr. X says:
    @Halvorson
    I've been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner's "uprising":

    "In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master's house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history."

    Somehow, that don't think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker's version of the story.

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.

    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth — not at all unlike the Soviet Union? The “Official Story” is that innocent blacks everywhere are cowering in fear of white supremacists and nightriders of the KKK, out to torture and lynch them for sport. The reality is that blacks commit the lion’s share of violent crime in this country, more than half the murders, and literally all the inter-racial rapes. Yet the propaganda machine tells us that it is a “racist myth” that blacks are sexually insatiable and violent.

    The Democratic Party is playing with racial fire by stoking black hatred of whites. The latest example is Milwaukee, where a black cop shot a black thug, and the black arsonists and street mobs wanted to kill whites on account of it. Someday they’re going to provoke a national, coast-to-coast race war, and maybe then the scales will fall from white peoples’ eyes — probably too late.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    White racial resentment is like an iceberg: you only see 1/9 of it... and America is the Titanic.

    Choose your metaphor: the pot will boil over, the genie will be out of the bottle, the powder keg will explode...

    It was not part of their blood, it came very late...
    It was not preached to the crowd, it was not taught by the state...
    It was not swiftly bred, it will not suddenly abate...

    - Kipling, abridged

    , @SMK
    And how many black-on-white aggravated assaults, muggings, rapes, gang-rapes, murders, etc., are induced by this bogus and incendiary narrative?
    , @in the middle
    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth — not at all unlike the Soviet Union?


    when the troskies were kicked out of the Soviet Union, guess where they went! to good old USA, and they came with a vengeance! Now, they hate you more than they hated Stalin, who kicked their ass, and evicted their rears out of their haven, the USSR. Since we ignore history, it is our fault for being so ignorant of their devices. Their mentor, Trotsky was hacked to death by a Spaniard sent by Stalin to Mexico for that very purpose. So now the so called neocons, otherwise known as Commies troskists are at their best, creating hate among people, dividing them and creating the environment where we end up fighting each other, while the Commies enjoy the spoils, as they have always done. We do need another Queen Isabella in the USA!
  19. “Do you really think a black male of color, who is accused of raping a white female in Centre County, can get a fair trial when a jury of his peers are all white except one female of color? That’s a problem,” the student said.

    This reasoning sounds uncannily familiar to something a certain real estate continuing education entrepreneur asked about a judge assigned to his case.

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    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @newrouter
    at least acknowledge the judge's la raza connection troll
  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Sailors world:

    Whites aren’t raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

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    • Replies: @anon
    I would bet my bottom dollar that black on white rape is vastly more common then white on black.
    , @newrouter
    ebt, section 8, sharpton, jackson et al. affirmative action, disparate impact... yea they are.
    , @yowza
    I've heard a couple of reviews of this movie. All agreed it makes Django look like a "we are the world" video.
    One black reviewer said it was too much for him, and he didn't want to see any white people for a week afterwards.

    So all the classic bigots are going to have a nice day, since this movie guarantees a humongous pile of black bodies piling up for the next year. Every time some ignorant black jackass gets detained by a cop, he's going to start acting out a scene from that stupid movie.

    Me? I'm just glad the mexicans forced our blacks out of South Central and Compton. Not a lot to worry about around these parts, this time. A few might run around out on the 110 freeway for a little while, but no mass carnage to worry about anymore.

    If you live in one of the new negro refugee cities back east, the ones our lawless blacks from Compton, South Central, Oakland, and other Cali cities have retreated to... happy halloween. Sucks to be you.
    , @ic1000

    Sailors world:
    Whites aren’t raping anyone.
    Blacks are raping everyone.
     
    Sailer grounds his writing by referencing crime statistics.

    Suggestion: learn a bit about your subject before you presume to instruct.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Sailor's world is based on facts. Yours is based on snark and ignorance.

    Black-on-White rape is something like 900 times more prevalent than the obverse. Perhaps more, when one counts the fact that hispanic perpetrators are classed as "white". In any given year, the actual number of black women raped by white men is likely to be identically zero.

    And that's not counting prison rape, which would probably skew those statistics even further.
  21. @Halvorson
    I've been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner's "uprising":

    "In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master's house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history."

    Somehow, that don't think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker's version of the story.

    A special edit including those details should be included in presentations for specific demographics. Imagine the box office sales if they had a special “Birth of a Nation: Uprising in the ‘Hood Edition”

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  22. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    They made a hero out of rapist Eldridge Cleaver so the pattern is well established. Criminals and rapists as role models for the next generation.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    criminals and rapists as role models for the next generation.

    Only the black ones are presented as role models. The white ones are villains.
  23. @Onginer
    Wrestling is a very white sport, it coincides with basketball season. I wrestled at a Big Ten University and graduated in 2010. Most of the blacks that I know that wrestled have a very different mentality than other blacks, if they had the same mentality, they would be playing basketball during the winter season and not wrestling. They also didn't fall into typical black group think, on my team we had three blacks total on a thirty man roster, and none of them hung out with the others, the blacks would stick with their entering class, rather than each other.

    Wow,were they from some hitherto unknown black-looking race different than the rest? This should be researched by Razhib Khan,or perhaps Kizer Khan?

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  24. You’re having sex with some woman and…you…call…your…buddy…in…to join you?

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    You’re having sex with some woman and…you…call…your…buddy…in…to join you?
     
    White baseball players at Brown used to do this, although more subtly -- you know, like in the dark, so the girls might not even know.
    , @BB753
    It's called a fraternity.
  25. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The girl was willing to testify again. She was willing to endure all that agony and grief again. Many rape victims are too ashamed and humiliated to even go to the police. That I think says a great deal.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    These two scoundrels, Parker and Celestin, should pay dearly for their crime. A lot of publicity will be quite helpful.
  26. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Sailors world:

    Whites aren't raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    I would bet my bottom dollar that black on white rape is vastly more common then white on black.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let's lock up all white men!
  27. Everybody reads To Kill a Mockingbird, that’s the entire frame of reference for most people.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    That novel is soooo old school. Currently the frame of reference comes from worldstarhiphop.com and social media videos.
  28. newrouter says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    “Do you really think a black male of color, who is accused of raping a white female in Centre County, can get a fair trial when a jury of his peers are all white except one female of color? That’s a problem,” the student said.

    This reasoning sounds uncannily familiar to something a certain real estate continuing education entrepreneur asked about a judge assigned to his case.

    at least acknowledge the judge’s la raza connection troll

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Saying anything against a judge, whoever it is you've drawn, is automatically moronic. It wouldn't make sense even if Curiel belonged to the No Donalds Clubhouse Society. Such aimless rich-jerk monologueing from personal pique into the national press's ears bespeaks a lack of self-control.
  29. newrouter says:
    @Anonymous
    Sailors world:

    Whites aren't raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    ebt, section 8, sharpton, jackson et al. affirmative action, disparate impact… yea they are.

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  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Halvorson
    I've been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner's "uprising":

    "In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master's house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history."

    Somehow, that don't think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker's version of the story.

    By making a movie about it, some white liberals will begin to research the topic to bone up on their race-history virtue signalling, and then they’ll find the story isn’t exactly what they thought it was. At that point, all talk about the movie will peter out, especially when Parker and Celestin’s history of real-life rape gets mentioned and the victim’s suicide is made the subject of gossip. Thanks to the liberal media’s concealment of black crime, most liberals likely hadn’t even heard of the rape. The movie will shove the crime to center stage.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    LOL... No one knows shit... And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs...
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don't google "the real history" of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$
  31. yowza says:
    @Anonymous
    Sailors world:

    Whites aren't raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    I’ve heard a couple of reviews of this movie. All agreed it makes Django look like a “we are the world” video.
    One black reviewer said it was too much for him, and he didn’t want to see any white people for a week afterwards.

    So all the classic bigots are going to have a nice day, since this movie guarantees a humongous pile of black bodies piling up for the next year. Every time some ignorant black jackass gets detained by a cop, he’s going to start acting out a scene from that stupid movie.

    Me? I’m just glad the mexicans forced our blacks out of South Central and Compton. Not a lot to worry about around these parts, this time. A few might run around out on the 110 freeway for a little while, but no mass carnage to worry about anymore.

    If you live in one of the new negro refugee cities back east, the ones our lawless blacks from Compton, South Central, Oakland, and other Cali cities have retreated to… happy halloween. Sucks to be you.

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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    They made a hero out of rapist Eldridge Cleaver so the pattern is well established. Criminals and rapists as role models for the next generation.

    criminals and rapists as role models for the next generation.

    Only the black ones are presented as role models. The white ones are villains.

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  33. @george bush
    Everybody reads To Kill a Mockingbird, that's the entire frame of reference for most people.

    That novel is soooo old school. Currently the frame of reference comes from worldstarhiphop.com and social media videos.

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  34. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous
    Sailors world:

    Whites aren't raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    Sailors world:
    Whites aren’t raping anyone.
    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Sailer grounds his writing by referencing crime statistics.

    Suggestion: learn a bit about your subject before you presume to instruct.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.
  35. BenKenobi says:
    @Dr. X

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.
     
    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth -- not at all unlike the Soviet Union? The "Official Story" is that innocent blacks everywhere are cowering in fear of white supremacists and nightriders of the KKK, out to torture and lynch them for sport. The reality is that blacks commit the lion's share of violent crime in this country, more than half the murders, and literally all the inter-racial rapes. Yet the propaganda machine tells us that it is a "racist myth" that blacks are sexually insatiable and violent.

    The Democratic Party is playing with racial fire by stoking black hatred of whites. The latest example is Milwaukee, where a black cop shot a black thug, and the black arsonists and street mobs wanted to kill whites on account of it. Someday they're going to provoke a national, coast-to-coast race war, and maybe then the scales will fall from white peoples' eyes -- probably too late.

    White racial resentment is like an iceberg: you only see 1/9 of it… and America is the Titanic.

    Choose your metaphor: the pot will boil over, the genie will be out of the bottle, the powder keg will explode…

    It was not part of their blood, it came very late…
    It was not preached to the crowd, it was not taught by the state…
    It was not swiftly bred, it will not suddenly abate…

    – Kipling, abridged

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    • Replies: @Tacitus2016
    Then we look at the South African experience. Still waiting for the Boer/Saxons to 'begin to hate'. Submission, fade away.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    So I was talking to my buddy who has a private wealth management practice...
    He says to me, after I mention a possible economic downturn coming:

    "Yeah..I tell people we are going into an economic reset..we are all going get fucked.."

    So I ask him what his short play is

    "Buy guns and ammo (lots)"

    Totally mainstream Asian American guy...
    I mean: no alt media at all!
  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    I would bet my bottom dollar that black on white rape is vastly more common then white on black.

    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let’s lock up all white men!

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    • Replies: @anon
    No. Lets lock up all rapists. Now if you mean Orientals by "Asian" you may be right. Perhaps not though if we use "Asian" in the British sense. You ever hear of Rotherham?

    But lets' look at absolute numbers in the aggregate. The Color of crime (you cite no sources) shows that blacks commit vastly more inter-racial crimes then any other group. Even if you were to provide documentation showing that Asians (Orientals?) are victimised by whites more then in reverse the absolute numbers pale into insignificance compared to the tsunami of black inter-racial rapes and crime.

    Black crime, especially its violent and inter-racial nature, is a difference in kind, not degree, from other races.
    , @bomag

    white on asian... asian on white
     
    A subtle difference in this is that interactions with Blacks includes a significant body count.
    , @guest
    Wake me up when salacious stories about Asian Rape Culture and its poor, white victims spread across the MSM. We can debunk them together.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    And you would be blowing smoke. Until Holder stopped publication of detailed racial breakdowns, published NCVS provided data on rapes broken down by race of victim and offender. One can calculate from these that a White woman was about 200 times more likely to be raped by a Negro man than a Negro woman was to be raped by a White man.

    The race breakdown for rape even then included only Negroes and Whites. The survey included too few rape incidents involving women of any other races to provide accurate data. You'll have to go to your local library to check this out. The sources that were once readily available on the internet seem to have been scrubbed and I tossed out my old BJS reports many years ago when I stopped researching violent crime.
  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ic1000

    Sailors world:
    Whites aren’t raping anyone.
    Blacks are raping everyone.
     
    Sailer grounds his writing by referencing crime statistics.

    Suggestion: learn a bit about your subject before you presume to instruct.

    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "What crime stats?"

    Look 'em up, nitwit. They aren't hard to find.

    "I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman....."

    Really? Then do so. Post a link to a recent case of a white man raping a black woman in the United States. Shouldn't be hard to do? Right?

    "....and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks."

    Of course, that isn't what Steve said. Which is it you have trouble with? Reading? Logic? Or both?

    , @newrouter
    >I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.<

    so link it asshat?
    , @Darwin's Sh-tlist
    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman...

    You'd have to find one first.
    , @Anonymous
    "Each year the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division of the Department of Justice, sends out a survey to a massive number of American citizens. They ask if the person has been a victim of a crime. This is called the National Victimization Crime Survey [NVCS]. It is considered the best crime statistics in the United States. Based on the sample size, the FBI estimates the total number of Americans who were victims of different types of crimes.

    There are several misconceptions about the data on sexual assaults.

    The victims are male and female victims combined
    The total number is an estimate based on extrapolation, not a literal number of victims
    Zero, does not mean there were literally zero victims for that year, just zero in the sample
    The number does not include victims of multi-offender attacks (gang rape)
    The totals includes threats/attempts that did not result in a completed attack
    If there were no victims of a certain kind of crime in the sample size, this creates a “statistical zero.” This does not mean that there were no victims of this type of crime for that year. To get the most accurate results, you must take an average of several years.

    Some years you will get anomalies. For examples. In 2006, the “other” on black rapes are listed as 5,788. This number is not at all typical. For 2005 and 2007, the number of “other” on black rapes is a statistical zero. In 2006 and 2007, 0% of of multi-offender sexual assaults are listed as “mixed race.” In 2005, 44% of multi-offender assaults are listed as “mixed race.” That is because their are too few multi-offender sexual assaults to get consistent results in the sample size.

    The percentage of multi-offender sexual assaults, in which the perpetrators are all black, is usually very high. The figure is 64% in 2006, 67% in 2007, 52% in 2008.

    The figures are estimates of single offender rape/sexual assault in which the victim is 12 or older.

    Presently the FBI appears to have only published the full statistical tables up to year 2008. After that the FBI website only has smaller “bulletins” that do not include the full data.

    From this data we find that blacks commit sexual assault against almost as many whites as blacks. However, white on black sexual assault is an extreme rarity.

    Year 2003 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black:0
    Black on White: 20,309
    Black on Black: 21,104

    Year 2004 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 11,610
    Black on Black: 35,330

    Year 2005 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black : 0
    Black on White: 37,460
    Black on Black: 36, 620

    Year 2006 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 32, 443
    Black on Black: 7,705

    Year 2007 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 14,092
    Black on Black: 12,780

    Year 2008 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 19,292
    Black on Black: 34,841

    Total over six conservative years:

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 135,206
    Black on Black: 148,380

    Average over six consecutive years:

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 22,534
    Black on Black: 24,730"

    source: Conservative Headlines
    , @anon
    "Pick a story" is about all you would be able to do sport, because all sources and statistics clearly show that blacks commit crime, violence and rape at vastly greater levels, particularly in inter-racial terms.
    , @Kylie
    "I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor [sic] says here about blacks."

    Crystal Mangum's story doesn't count.
    , @ic1000

    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.
     
    Anonymous, people interested in understanding the racial aspects of crimes such as rape or robbery often start their analyses with homicide. A little reflection (or reading) will make the reason clear.

    As to "what crime stats," FBI/Dept. of Justice compilations have some severe limitations, but are still considered the most comprehensive that are available. Google quickly found this page on Murder, you can explore other crimes from there.

    Sailer always links to his sources. Here is a short blog post from 2013. And here is a link to a longer essay from March 2016, "Racial Ratios". Website host Ron Unz wrote Race and Crime in America (2013). Unz' conclusions about "Hispanic" crime rates have generated much discussion, but his findings about "black" rates are, unfortunately, consistent with prior and subsequent analyses.

    Now that you have a window into U.S. crime statistics, I hope you follow up on some of these leads, and report back on how your thinking evolves.
    , @Anonymous
    I, like you, anonymous, was ignorant. Now, don't get mad at being called ignorant. We're all born ignorant, it is our default state. However, we're not necessarily born stupid. Stupid people refuse to learn. I don't believe that you're stupid. I don't know anything about you, so how can I have an opinion one way or the other. But if you do want to learn and are sincere and in good faith when you ask for anyone to show you evidence about crime disparity in America then read the following, it may change your life. It is entirely fact based, statistically impeccable:

    http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    and this as well, written by Ron Unz, the very person who created this site, upon which you comment:

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

     

    That statement would have been more compelling if it was followed by a link to a news story about one.
    , @res

    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.
     
    For example, these: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf
    See Table 42. Personal crimes of violence, 2007
    Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations,
    based on race of victims, by type of crime
    and perceived race of offender

    During 2007 14,000 black on white rape/sexual assaults (versus 13,000 black on black) and statistically 0 white on black rapes (versus 140,000 white on white, odd that 24,000 rapes of whites had an unknown race of offender).

    Of course in their infinite wisdom Obama's DOJ has made this sort of statistics less available. I guess if you don't like reality then conceal it, lie, and point and sputter (you've got that last down).

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.
     
    Could you? How about you give it a try then let us know how easy it was?
  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    Sailors world:

    Whites aren't raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    Sailor’s world is based on facts. Yours is based on snark and ignorance.

    Black-on-White rape is something like 900 times more prevalent than the obverse. Perhaps more, when one counts the fact that hispanic perpetrators are classed as “white”. In any given year, the actual number of black women raped by white men is likely to be identically zero.

    And that’s not counting prison rape, which would probably skew those statistics even further.

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  39. @Honorary Thief
    How long until the "hate the straight white cisgendered male" routine hits diminishing returns?

    About the time White Liberal straight men quit voting for Democrats. Until then, there ARE no diminishing returns.

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  40. Mr. Anon says:

    “Griffith’s film relied heavily on racist propaganda to evoke fear and desperation as a tool to solidify white supremacy as the lifeblood of American sustenance.”

    Sounds like black word salad to me. I’m sure the guy missed his calling to be on one of those rappin’ debate squads (NWA – Ni**az With Arguments).

    When this film is released, I wonder if a lot of white people will not go out to see any movies, not because of a boycott, but because they want to avoid gangs of marauding “youths” hopped up on this example of racial-grievance porn. I hope whites do stay away, and depress the box-office for everything. It’d serve Hollywood right.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Lifeblood of American sustenance makes it sound like white people are vampires. I think he's confusing Birth of a Nation with Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.
    , @5371
    Solidify something as lifeblood? Good thing this is a black, otherwise his inability to use the English language might be remarked upon.
  41. @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    These women are victims of years of propaganda that has suggested to them that being in the presence of a black athlete and alcohol could not possibly result in being raped by him and his friend and being further harassed and etc.

    I was in college around the same time as this event happened, and other women I was friends with, while otherwise savvy, were pretty clueless about these risks, because assessing risks is of course racist. I have a great deal of sympathy for this woman, as I’m just aspie enough to deflect the narrative, but not so much so that I can’t see that most women are not.

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  42. prosa123 says: • Website

    So Ray Gricar was the DA overseeing the prosecution. His is a very interesting story, do Google it.

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  43. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    “What crime stats?”

    Look ‘em up, nitwit. They aren’t hard to find.

    “I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman…..”

    Really? Then do so. Post a link to a recent case of a white man raping a black woman in the United States. Shouldn’t be hard to do? Right?

    “….and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.”

    Of course, that isn’t what Steve said. Which is it you have trouble with? Reading? Logic? Or both?

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  44. newrouter says:
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    >I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.<

    so link it asshat?

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  45. newrouter says:

    >I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.<

    happens all the time in "proggtard" world

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  46. “Do you really think a black male of color, who is accused of raping a white female in Centre County, can get a fair trial when a jury of his peers are all white except one female of color? That’s a problem,” the student said.

    Do you really think a White victim can get justice if a rapist has a get-out-of-jail-free card?

    To hell with these people. They need to live apart from us and twist in the wind.

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  47. @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman…

    You’d have to find one first.

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  48. @Father O'Hara
    You're having sex with some woman and...you...call...your...buddy...in...to join you?

    You’re having sex with some woman and…you…call…your…buddy…in…to join you?

    White baseball players at Brown used to do this, although more subtly — you know, like in the dark, so the girls might not even know.

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  49. p s c says:

    The DA in the case mentioned in the article, Ray Gricar, has been missing since 2005 and has been declared dead by authorities. Gricar’s car was found in Lewsiburg, PA which is home to Bucknell Univ and a federal prison that held Jimmy Hoffa and many other notables of American crime (e.g prison scene in “Goodfellas” where actors Ray Liotta and Paul Sorvino arrange a feast).

    Gricar declined to pursue a case against Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in 1998. The case was a big story in Pennsylvania.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

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  50. @BenKenobi
    White racial resentment is like an iceberg: you only see 1/9 of it... and America is the Titanic.

    Choose your metaphor: the pot will boil over, the genie will be out of the bottle, the powder keg will explode...

    It was not part of their blood, it came very late...
    It was not preached to the crowd, it was not taught by the state...
    It was not swiftly bred, it will not suddenly abate...

    - Kipling, abridged

    Then we look at the South African experience. Still waiting for the Boer/Saxons to ‘begin to hate’. Submission, fade away.

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    So what you're saying is we have a highly instructive example to avoid.

    Excellent point.
    , @celt darnell
    Even before the collapse of Apartheid, Whites in South Africa were outnumbered -- they comprised less than 15% of the population in 1990:

    http://www.theodora.com/wfb1990/south_africa/south_africa_people.html

    Since the end of Apartheid, thanks to a massive "white flight" (to places such as Australia, Canada, the US and the UK), not to mention the usual explosion of nonwhite births, the white population is now well below 10% of the total population of South Africa.

    The only way you win with those odds is if you're already an equipped, trained and disciplined military force.

    Believe me, I take your point, especially as, back in the 1980s, I was expecting a massive backlash against non-white immigration into the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain and Europe by the end of the 1990s at the latest.

    Instead, things got worse.

    Because quantity has a quality all of its own, numbers matter. Presently, in all white nations those numbers are going the wrong way.

    , @Alden
    One of many reasons I stopped reading amren was that someone was always posting that ridiculous Kipling poem
    "When the Saxon Begins to Hate"
    It was WW1 propaganda urging descendants of a few hundred thousand Saxon invaders of 500AD England to go off to the continent and fight real Saxony Germans.

    Even more ridiculous about posting that poem is that White Americabs have been a used harassed, victims of government aided and abetted black on White crime run out of half the jobs in the country because of affirmative action, on and on

    And all those fools who pride themselves on being founding stock Anglo Saxons have done nothing at all to resist their destruction since 1956 (school desegregation)
  51. @anony-mouse
    '...Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge...'

    You are incorrect about GWTW. Here is that shanty town scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmn7sGTIGt8

    There is also a scene with a White Union deserter, as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett.

    I don't recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell's idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.

    Remember that the White overseer Wilkerson has illicit sex ---- with a White trash woman. Heavens that anyone would think...

    There are also no very light-skinned Blacks in the movie because, well, same.

    I don’t recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell’s idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.

    That’s not it. In the book, the rapists Scarlett escaped from were Black, but the makers of GWTW did a Dick Wolf and changed their race.

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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    “Each year the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division of the Department of Justice, sends out a survey to a massive number of American citizens. They ask if the person has been a victim of a crime. This is called the National Victimization Crime Survey [NVCS]. It is considered the best crime statistics in the United States. Based on the sample size, the FBI estimates the total number of Americans who were victims of different types of crimes.

    There are several misconceptions about the data on sexual assaults.

    The victims are male and female victims combined
    The total number is an estimate based on extrapolation, not a literal number of victims
    Zero, does not mean there were literally zero victims for that year, just zero in the sample
    The number does not include victims of multi-offender attacks (gang rape)
    The totals includes threats/attempts that did not result in a completed attack
    If there were no victims of a certain kind of crime in the sample size, this creates a “statistical zero.” This does not mean that there were no victims of this type of crime for that year. To get the most accurate results, you must take an average of several years.

    Some years you will get anomalies. For examples. In 2006, the “other” on black rapes are listed as 5,788. This number is not at all typical. For 2005 and 2007, the number of “other” on black rapes is a statistical zero. In 2006 and 2007, 0% of of multi-offender sexual assaults are listed as “mixed race.” In 2005, 44% of multi-offender assaults are listed as “mixed race.” That is because their are too few multi-offender sexual assaults to get consistent results in the sample size.

    The percentage of multi-offender sexual assaults, in which the perpetrators are all black, is usually very high. The figure is 64% in 2006, 67% in 2007, 52% in 2008.

    The figures are estimates of single offender rape/sexual assault in which the victim is 12 or older.

    Presently the FBI appears to have only published the full statistical tables up to year 2008. After that the FBI website only has smaller “bulletins” that do not include the full data.

    From this data we find that blacks commit sexual assault against almost as many whites as blacks. However, white on black sexual assault is an extreme rarity.

    Year 2003 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black:0
    Black on White: 20,309
    Black on Black: 21,104

    Year 2004 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 11,610
    Black on Black: 35,330

    Year 2005 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black : 0
    Black on White: 37,460
    Black on Black: 36, 620

    Year 2006 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 32, 443
    Black on Black: 7,705

    Year 2007 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 14,092
    Black on Black: 12,780

    Year 2008 – Rape/Sexual Assault

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 19,292
    Black on Black: 34,841

    Total over six conservative years:

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 135,206
    Black on Black: 148,380

    Average over six consecutive years:

    White on Black: 0
    Black on White: 22,534
    Black on Black: 24,730″

    source: Conservative Headlines

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  53. @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    You’re sick.

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    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    You’re sick.
     

     
    You know the old saying people sometimes use when referring to how to deal with an asshole?

    "Sometimes an ass-kicking is all some guys understand," is a trusty american truism. I've tried it myself, and it is indeed true. When it comes to adjusting behavior that sticks, ass-kickings work.

    For white SJW females, sometimes a black gang rape is all they'll understand, so while my heart goes out to the poor girl, it's not like being drunk and alone with two black thugs isn't willful obstinance on her part, soliciting for remedy.

    I think it's the loneliest rape there is. Black people shun you. White people, while offering sympathies, imply by their behavior that at least "now you know."
  54. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let's lock up all white men!

    No. Lets lock up all rapists. Now if you mean Orientals by “Asian” you may be right. Perhaps not though if we use “Asian” in the British sense. You ever hear of Rotherham?

    But lets’ look at absolute numbers in the aggregate. The Color of crime (you cite no sources) shows that blacks commit vastly more inter-racial crimes then any other group. Even if you were to provide documentation showing that Asians (Orientals?) are victimised by whites more then in reverse the absolute numbers pale into insignificance compared to the tsunami of black inter-racial rapes and crime.

    Black crime, especially its violent and inter-racial nature, is a difference in kind, not degree, from other races.

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  55. iSteveFan says:

    Do you really think a black male of color, …

    Isn’t that redundant? I guess even the progs get confused over all these new terms.

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  56. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    “Pick a story” is about all you would be able to do sport, because all sources and statistics clearly show that blacks commit crime, violence and rape at vastly greater levels, particularly in inter-racial terms.

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  57. @ben tillman

    You’re having sex with some woman and…you…call…your…buddy…in…to join you?
     
    White baseball players at Brown used to do this, although more subtly -- you know, like in the dark, so the girls might not even know.

    LOL. You mean pretend not to know.

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  58. Vinay says:

    There’s a transcript of the victim’s phone call with Nate Parker. It’d be great if the Haven-Monahan-vintage Steve would let us know what he makes of it? Is that a futile hope?

    I know this is a popcorn moment at iSteve but, seriously, forgetting for a moment that the guy is black and the victim is white, these *were* just a couple of college kids. What do you make of the evidence?

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    I wonder if it was Parker's and Celestin's hated of whites that caused them to both rape the white woman and then make a fantasy story about killing whites. It certainly sounds like it.
  59. […] so I went to Sailer’s site to get the link. I found that his most recent post was called The Rape of a Nation and dealt with Nate Parker, his movie, and the rape allegations. This is not really a coincidence, […]

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  60. @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    You have a resume? Doubtful.

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  61. yowza says:
    @ben tillman

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.
     
    You're sick.

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    You’re sick.

    You know the old saying people sometimes use when referring to how to deal with an asshole?

    “Sometimes an ass-kicking is all some guys understand,” is a trusty american truism. I’ve tried it myself, and it is indeed true. When it comes to adjusting behavior that sticks, ass-kickings work.

    For white SJW females, sometimes a black gang rape is all they’ll understand, so while my heart goes out to the poor girl, it’s not like being drunk and alone with two black thugs isn’t willful obstinance on her part, soliciting for remedy.

    I think it’s the loneliest rape there is. Black people shun you. White people, while offering sympathies, imply by their behavior that at least “now you know.”

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  62. @Anon
    By making a movie about it, some white liberals will begin to research the topic to bone up on their race-history virtue signalling, and then they'll find the story isn't exactly what they thought it was. At that point, all talk about the movie will peter out, especially when Parker and Celestin's history of real-life rape gets mentioned and the victim's suicide is made the subject of gossip. Thanks to the liberal media's concealment of black crime, most liberals likely hadn't even heard of the rape. The movie will shove the crime to center stage.

    LOL… No one knows shit… And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs…
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don’t google “the real history” of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$

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    LOL… No one knows shit… And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs…
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don’t google “the real history” of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$
     
    America is to Africa, as Australia is to Great Britain. Any black historical slave narrative that omits this, is bogus.

    Remember what the fellow said, "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

    Black folks, generally... don't do that.

    So they can't be grateful, or at least blasé regarding the fact that slavery made their existence here possible. If their relatives hadn't lost a battle with a competing tribe, or committed a heinous crime by which they were given a choice to rot in an African prison, or "get on that boat," they wouldn't be here.

    Note for Angry African Americans: Imagine if, years after the Brooklyn Bridge was built. the ancestors of those who died building it began demonstrating, demanding restitution via bridge tolls, rioting on the bridge occasionally, confronting police, blaming any incorrigible behavior on the building of that hellish bridge, all the way up to 2016?

    Wouldn't you consider them to be either out of their minds, stupid, or a professional tribe of grifters?

    Or all three?
  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.google.com/#q=David+Wark+Griffith+Middle+School+LAUSD

    –which is less “South Central” lately than barrio-chinoiserie proto-Blade Runner auto-parts district; but still as urban as urban gets, at least till the craft brewers & artists’ lofts come in.

    Once blacks lost their title of most important minority, they got their Irish up about the bad ole days. It used to be fun scaring Mister Charlie, now he wants to wear your clothes and copy your slang (esp. true of fresh-off-the-plane Slavs who grew up on the 2Pac oeuvre).

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  64. yowza says:
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    LOL... No one knows shit... And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs...
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don't google "the real history" of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$

    LOL… No one knows shit… And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs…
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don’t google “the real history” of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$

    America is to Africa, as Australia is to Great Britain. Any black historical slave narrative that omits this, is bogus.

    Remember what the fellow said, “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.”

    Black folks, generally… don’t do that.

    So they can’t be grateful, or at least blasé regarding the fact that slavery made their existence here possible. If their relatives hadn’t lost a battle with a competing tribe, or committed a heinous crime by which they were given a choice to rot in an African prison, or “get on that boat,” they wouldn’t be here.

    Note for Angry African Americans: Imagine if, years after the Brooklyn Bridge was built. the ancestors of those who died building it began demonstrating, demanding restitution via bridge tolls, rioting on the bridge occasionally, confronting police, blaming any incorrigible behavior on the building of that hellish bridge, all the way up to 2016?

    Wouldn’t you consider them to be either out of their minds, stupid, or a professional tribe of grifters?

    Or all three?

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    In David Horowitz's infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it-- OT1H it's indisputably true, but if you're expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it's not helpful. I'm a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would've competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go "Star Trek" like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.
  65. @BenKenobi
    White racial resentment is like an iceberg: you only see 1/9 of it... and America is the Titanic.

    Choose your metaphor: the pot will boil over, the genie will be out of the bottle, the powder keg will explode...

    It was not part of their blood, it came very late...
    It was not preached to the crowd, it was not taught by the state...
    It was not swiftly bred, it will not suddenly abate...

    - Kipling, abridged

    So I was talking to my buddy who has a private wealth management practice…
    He says to me, after I mention a possible economic downturn coming:

    “Yeah..I tell people we are going into an economic reset..we are all going get fucked..”

    So I ask him what his short play is

    “Buy guns and ammo (lots)”

    Totally mainstream Asian American guy…
    I mean: no alt media at all!

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  66. @BenKenobi
    One day soon, they will beg for a loony lefty such as Pat Buchanan.

    I'm talkin' Full Kurtz: The Doctrine.

    See the genius in the pile of little arms, mein schutze.

    mein schutze?

    Schutze means protection

    do you mean Schatz?

    Schatz means darling

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    I believe that in this context "Schutze" means rifleman/private.
  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    There you go with your notions, this purblind idea that otherwise-very-powerful female persons have any degree of latitude to tailor their actions in order to avoid painful outcomes of mayhem & trauma at least most of the time, if not every time. P’SHAWWW

    Though born with superior native judgment the meritorious hard-working disempowered yet confident assertive woman-worldbeater is *still* victimized by the patriarchy/SkyNet which maliciously hunts her down, despite post-1950s advances in feminist technology. It’s past time to implement dual solution of enfranchising the wimmens, moar, und dann disenfranchising, enslaving certain men, for great justice

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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @yowza

    LOL… No one knows shit… And it is sin by commission and omission.
    I was shocked that business school (evil republican business) was full of SJW progs…
    If you are going to be the well paid administrative class of the global oligarchy, don’t google “the real history” of a Narrative movie! ;-) $$$
     
    America is to Africa, as Australia is to Great Britain. Any black historical slave narrative that omits this, is bogus.

    Remember what the fellow said, "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

    Black folks, generally... don't do that.

    So they can't be grateful, or at least blasé regarding the fact that slavery made their existence here possible. If their relatives hadn't lost a battle with a competing tribe, or committed a heinous crime by which they were given a choice to rot in an African prison, or "get on that boat," they wouldn't be here.

    Note for Angry African Americans: Imagine if, years after the Brooklyn Bridge was built. the ancestors of those who died building it began demonstrating, demanding restitution via bridge tolls, rioting on the bridge occasionally, confronting police, blaming any incorrigible behavior on the building of that hellish bridge, all the way up to 2016?

    Wouldn't you consider them to be either out of their minds, stupid, or a professional tribe of grifters?

    Or all three?

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful. I’m a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would’ve competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go “Star Trek” like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.

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    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful. I’m a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would’ve competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go “Star Trek” like that.
     
    You're essentially saying, while it's true, it's distasteful in bar debate.

    I respond that this is irrelevant. Many facts are distasteful. Just because it bothers you, doesn't change reality, unless you're neurotic, stupid, or selling something.

    I will reshuffle a response with the same deck of cards, and submit that blacks should forget the past, count their blessings, and when it comes to white bigotry, avoid personifying current negative black stereotypes.

    Pull white bigotry out by the roots by proving them wrong.

    That solution is a long, hard slog. Blacks generally don't like that, and cannot organize around it. Their preferred backstory is that of an world idiot savant prince stripped of their wealth and left to fight for their dignity at the hands of white devil slave-masters in waiting.

    So... police shoot them in the face.

    At least that story isn't as distasteful. ;)
    , @RonaldB
    Sometimes your writing style can be so opaque, it's difficult to tell what your argument is. Your conclusion is fairly clear, but your argument is pretty fuzzy.
    , @ben tillman

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful.
     
    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a "bad debating point"?

    It's the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Not only is it not a bad debating point but it can be exploited for a further debating point: It's the bruthas in Africa who are descendants of the people who originally enslaved you. You should be suing them for reparations. Better yet, why not demand repatriation and resettlement?
  69. Whiskey says: • Website

    I don’t see any “awakening” … it hasn’t happened for the last sixty years and is unlikely to happen now. I do see the death of the hipster Portlandia White and the transformation into the Alabama type White — hardly a Klan Member, but under no illusion about being able and willing to fight for one’s life at any time. That’s a historical artifact of most people in the South and West up until the frontier closed and not just Indian attacks but various mixed-race, Melungeon attacks (see John Murell, it was his treasure Injun Joe died of starvation guarding) and Mexican raids. Pancho Villa raided the US as late as 1917.

    White people after slavery ended did not expel Blacks to Africa and the model of Segregation is a non-starter due to White minority status in many/most areas.

    I will observe that the number of drunk coeds hanging out at the Chess Club, or SABRE-metrics club is just about zero. Somehow Black athletes *because* not in spite of their real danger, attract coeds who have their pick of guys, who also get drunk around them. Sadly, too many White girls have experience bossing around White boys their age who have things to lose, and not getting a rude awakening about the value of prudence and sobriety.

    Moreover there is a reason that Black rapes of White coeds gets pushed under the rug and very rarely prosecuted: caste and privilege. Blacks have high caste and privilege, based on the inter-White War between Good Whites (Nice White Ladies, those unfortunately married to them or related to them or pursuing them or working with them, various corrupt cronies and lunatic virtue signalers) and Bad Whites (basically the White working class plus Haven Monahan).

    Nice White Ladies will gush over the movie and the star, and will continue to do so; particularly Nice White Ladies in the media likely already getting a thrill.

    Unless the family slaps the Star, Fox Searchlight, and the writer with a massive big lawsuit for wrongful death and go on the media to accuse the star, and Fox Searchlight of enabling him, of a brutal rape and giving the brutal details out in the media.

    Parker needs to be defined in the public eye as “the Black rapist actor” the way Woody Allen is the pervert rapist director/writer. That doesn’t mean that Parker would be over, heck Hollywood will shove him down people’s throats just because. It does mean that he’ll be like Robert Blake, “I could not have murdered my wife, I had to go back the diner because I forgot my gun!” Working but not making much money.

    And that would be step towards honesty. Many Black underclass athletes are nothing more than dangerous thug gladiators and the students should give them a wide berth.

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  70. @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    Wise to not put this thought on your resume.

    There’s a whole lot to be said about the sorry state of women–drunkenness, hookups–these days. But even given that, having the bad judgement to say “yes” to one guy, doesn’t–and shouldn’t–mean you’ve said yes to all his friends.

    Furthermore, one should have some sympathy–at least for these young co-eds, if not older women–given the incredibly destructive propaganda women, especially white women are constantly exposed to:
    — they should be able to behave like guys, and it’s sexist to suggest otherwise
    — partying to drunkenness is ok
    — their sexuality is to “be explored”, hookups are ok
    — black men are acceptable romantic and sexual partners.

    Yes, this woman should never have put herself in this situation. But women are conformists and our culture feeds women–which many young women absorb as fairly naive and clueless girls–these destructive lies. And then they are dumped on campus with black athletes, and instead of protective realism, nothing but fuzzy headed b.s. in their heads.

    People are responsible for their actions, but it sure helps people–especially young people and doubly especially young women–if the culture isn’t lying to them and feeding them stupid shit.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    If you're female and you've reached college age without learning about high black crime rates, and if you're not utterly disgusted by ugly and aggressive lower-class black behavior and speech, and you decide you want to go hang out with a roomful of drunken black men, something is extremely wrong with you. A normal woman should have a danger alarm going off in her head.

    Women are more socially astute than men. This is genetically-based. A woman like the above has a serious flaw in her social IQ. She's isn't taking in the evidence of either her senses or statistics, and she's making a seriously stupid decision. I won't say she'll be getting what she deserves, but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn't be passing on her genes.
  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Calogero
    How can he "reclaim" a movie title that was never his to begin with?

    I suppose it’s totally plausible, and just shows me up for being an effete snob, but I laughed at the bit about Parker learning of Nat Turner well into his edu-career, as if it were the Nag Hammadi or supersymmetry. A standard high school history curriculum will mention Turner and John Brown at least in passing. Then I started wondering who turned him on to Griffith’s BOAN, which I’m guessing he also didn’t check out of Redbox back in the day. Has he even watched the first film?? Hugely important, or so they say; invented the close-up… Reclaim away, young dumb college grads!

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  72. Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?

    It’s as if they worry the black flames of anti-white hate & racism might go out if they don’t keep stoking the fire with fresh propaganda. Does anybody know how seriously these are taken in public education? I can all too easily imagine educators who are true believers in institutional racism and the whole story of oppression and white privilege making their kids sit through this stuff so the only remaining shared national civic myths continue to be transmitted and brainwash the young.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    We were having Nazis as plausible film villains well into the 21st Century. I'm not so sure it's completely dead even now. There is a movie on Netflix translated as "Look Who's Back" which is a Hitler-hipster comedy from the ol' Vaterland. Probably 50% of NF content is about Nazism in some way thematically or aesthetically (that's just a conservative estimate). If that well isn't dry, if that low-hanging fruit hasn't been completely pulverized into po-mo mush -- otherwise there would not be foreign comical cartoon shows about it -- what chance is there of anti-white race-solidarity hate, idle Negro edition, evaporating away? And it's also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression
    , @yowza

    Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?
     
    You're missing Martin Scorsese's balls, and so is he.

    If he had some, he'd write and direct a "Gangs of Nigeria" set in 1733, depicting the social construct of Black and Muslim tribes, far and wide, and how their organization and planning empowered the engine of black slavery, guiding it with such a sure hand, it would have been absolutely impossible without their savage initiative.

    CUT TO:

    Niger finally abolishing slavery in 2003.

    CUT TO:

    Drone over Riker's Prison, full of black men being told by a cell guard, what to do, and when to do it.

    PAN TO:

    Faraway window at the edge of a yard towards the quiet whimper of a black man looking out a cell window. We see his hands gripping the bars on his cell window, with a few black men behind him, thrusting, his head jolts in time with the thrusts, forward and back.


    Moral Lesson: Perhaps slavery persists because secretly, it's not that they especially like it, but many black folks still wouldn't know what to do without it.
    , @Anon
    Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy junior high and high school teachers who like to show a movie for history class instead of actually teaching. Because of the PC educational culture these days, a lot of propaganda movies are being used to brainwash children. This is especially true in black schools because the teachers have lot of problems controlling the unruly students, and the kids are terrible learners. Showing a movie is about the only thing that will grab black students' attention and sink into their heads.
  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @newrouter
    at least acknowledge the judge's la raza connection troll

    Saying anything against a judge, whoever it is you’ve drawn, is automatically moronic. It wouldn’t make sense even if Curiel belonged to the No Donalds Clubhouse Society. Such aimless rich-jerk monologueing from personal pique into the national press’s ears bespeaks a lack of self-control.

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    >Saying anything against a judge, whoever it is you’ve drawn, is automatically moronic.<

    i like using alinsky against practitioners of alinsky.
  74. Kylie says:
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    “I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor [sic] says here about blacks.”

    Crystal Mangum’s story doesn’t count.

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  75. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s a real problem for the Totem Pole.

    The black god sits – naturally and figuratively – sits atop the totem pole as the supreme god, the ‘king of the gods’. But, the devotees of the yoni – the the most powerful of all the totem cults are always striving to elevate their fetish to supremacy – and the yoni demands the most strident punishment possibly for the errant insulting lingam.
    Things are further confounded by the black god being naturally an ithyphallic deity.

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  76. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?

    It's as if they worry the black flames of anti-white hate & racism might go out if they don't keep stoking the fire with fresh propaganda. Does anybody know how seriously these are taken in public education? I can all too easily imagine educators who are true believers in institutional racism and the whole story of oppression and white privilege making their kids sit through this stuff so the only remaining shared national civic myths continue to be transmitted and brainwash the young.

    We were having Nazis as plausible film villains well into the 21st Century. I’m not so sure it’s completely dead even now. There is a movie on Netflix translated as “Look Who’s Back” which is a Hitler-hipster comedy from the ol’ Vaterland. Probably 50% of NF content is about Nazism in some way thematically or aesthetically (that’s just a conservative estimate). If that well isn’t dry, if that low-hanging fruit hasn’t been completely pulverized into po-mo mush — otherwise there would not be foreign comical cartoon shows about it — what chance is there of anti-white race-solidarity hate, idle Negro edition, evaporating away? And it’s also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression

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    • Replies: @RonaldB

    And it’s also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression
     
    If anyone has a clue to the point of the sentence, please let me know.
  77. yowza says:
    @Anonymous
    In David Horowitz's infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it-- OT1H it's indisputably true, but if you're expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it's not helpful. I'm a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would've competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go "Star Trek" like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful. I’m a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would’ve competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go “Star Trek” like that.

    You’re essentially saying, while it’s true, it’s distasteful in bar debate.

    I respond that this is irrelevant. Many facts are distasteful. Just because it bothers you, doesn’t change reality, unless you’re neurotic, stupid, or selling something.

    I will reshuffle a response with the same deck of cards, and submit that blacks should forget the past, count their blessings, and when it comes to white bigotry, avoid personifying current negative black stereotypes.

    Pull white bigotry out by the roots by proving them wrong.

    That solution is a long, hard slog. Blacks generally don’t like that, and cannot organize around it. Their preferred backstory is that of an world idiot savant prince stripped of their wealth and left to fight for their dignity at the hands of white devil slave-masters in waiting.

    So… police shoot them in the face.

    At least that story isn’t as distasteful. ;)

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    • Replies: @RonaldB
    I disagree with your entire approach of advising blacks on the logic of reparations.

    Reparations are a variant of the "soak the rich" argument: take from those who have it and give to those in need. Those who perceive themselves as net beneficiaries of this redistribution will favor it. So, it really doesn't matter what blacks think of it: its success (or rather failure) depends on non-blacks in politically supporting their own interests. The main argument to use against blacks is "no way!" Then, hopefully, they won't wait around waiting for them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEjKT_3dDMU
  78. yowza says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?

    It's as if they worry the black flames of anti-white hate & racism might go out if they don't keep stoking the fire with fresh propaganda. Does anybody know how seriously these are taken in public education? I can all too easily imagine educators who are true believers in institutional racism and the whole story of oppression and white privilege making their kids sit through this stuff so the only remaining shared national civic myths continue to be transmitted and brainwash the young.

    Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?

    You’re missing Martin Scorsese’s balls, and so is he.

    If he had some, he’d write and direct a “Gangs of Nigeria” set in 1733, depicting the social construct of Black and Muslim tribes, far and wide, and how their organization and planning empowered the engine of black slavery, guiding it with such a sure hand, it would have been absolutely impossible without their savage initiative.

    CUT TO:

    Niger finally abolishing slavery in 2003.

    CUT TO:

    Drone over Riker’s Prison, full of black men being told by a cell guard, what to do, and when to do it.

    PAN TO:

    Faraway window at the edge of a yard towards the quiet whimper of a black man looking out a cell window. We see his hands gripping the bars on his cell window, with a few black men behind him, thrusting, his head jolts in time with the thrusts, forward and back.

    Moral Lesson: Perhaps slavery persists because secretly, it’s not that they especially like it, but many black folks still wouldn’t know what to do without it.

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  79. @Halvorson
    I've been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner's "uprising":

    "In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master's house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history."

    Somehow, that don't think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker's version of the story.

    If someone’s enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy–and kill them. Works for me.

    The problem isn’t Nat Turner. It’s today, when we have to put up with both all this crime–murder, rape, assault–that uglifies our cities and then all the histrionics over black garbage like Trayvon! or the gentle giant, and then all this nonsense that whitey is oppressing them, while in reality they are being dragged along on subsidy and have the privilege of living in pretty nice 1st world nation, which they couldn’t possibly achieve on their own.

    ~~

    Separation. It’s time. We did the MLK experiment and the truth is on “content of their character” … blacks on average come up short. They don’t like being “oppressed” by whitey. I don’t like dealing with their bullshit. Separation is “win-win”.

    Even if not immediately feasible white folks need to at least bring it up. It serves to call bullshit on their narrative.

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  80. bomag says:
    @Anonymous
    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let's lock up all white men!

    white on asian… asian on white

    A subtle difference in this is that interactions with Blacks includes a significant body count.

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  81. snorlax says:
    @iSteveFan

    Do you really think a black male of color, ...
     
    Isn't that redundant? I guess even the progs get confused over all these new terms.

    G.K. Butterfield is a black male of pallor.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I remember when French and Irish American Stephen Colbert asked G.K Buttefield if you are Black than why do you look White? G.K responded by saying Blacks come in all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors.

    I doubt very much European colonizers saw all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors when they first step foot in Sub Saharan Africa. They saw nothing but darkness and nappyness."

    This is how you know you are not Black, when even Irish people do not think you look Black. And the Irish are one of the most pasty pale ethnic groups on the planet.
    , @Brutusale
    Hey, if Liz Warren can be a Cherokee...
    , @anon
    I always thought being black meant you were supposed to have black skin. Learn something new every day.
  82. This comment is probably a bit too hoi polloi, too déclassé, but I assure it has a certain je ne sais quoi that speaks to the moment, of the time: has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Has a poz porn actor ever starred as Bibi Netanyahu like Sarah Palin in “Who’s Nailin’ Paylin”? Maybe with Palestinians lining up in a Blue Oyster Bar to run him through a fisting train like a scene out of Al Pacino’s Cruising?

    I mean. Think about it.

    (Steve, let this one through. I mean really: think long and hard about it.)

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    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven't written about it doesn't make it mainstream.
  83. @Pat Hannagan
    This comment is probably a bit too hoi polloi, too déclassé, but I assure it has a certain je ne sais quoi that speaks to the moment, of the time: has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Has a poz porn actor ever starred as Bibi Netanyahu like Sarah Palin in “Who’s Nailin’ Paylin”? Maybe with Palestinians lining up in a Blue Oyster Bar to run him through a fisting train like a scene out of Al Pacino’s Cruising?

    I mean. Think about it.

    (Steve, let this one through. I mean really: think long and hard about it.)

    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven’t written about it doesn’t make it mainstream.

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    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven’t written about it doesn’t make it mainstream.

    Double negative! Doesn't make it *not* mainstream. Whew. Ok. Original comment that, if you would think about it, as many of our younglings are forced to think about it via mainlining internet porn along with Grand Theft Auto version whatever it's up to:


    This comment is probably a bit too hoi polloi, too déclassé, but I assure it has a certain je ne sais quoi that speaks to the moment, of the time: has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Has a poz porn actor ever starred as Bibi Netanyahu like Sarah Palin in “Who’s Nailin’ Paylin”? Maybe with Palestinians lining up in a Blue Oyster Bar to run him through a fisting train like a scene out of Al Pacino’s Cruising?

    I mean. Think about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbIMx2MYNXk

    (Steve, let this one through. I mean really: think long and hard about it.)

  84. Jefferson says:
    @snorlax
    G.K. Butterfield is a black male of pallor.

    “I remember when French and Irish American Stephen Colbert asked G.K Buttefield if you are Black than why do you look White? G.K responded by saying Blacks come in all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors.

    I doubt very much European colonizers saw all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors when they first step foot in Sub Saharan Africa. They saw nothing but darkness and nappyness.”

    This is how you know you are not Black, when even Irish people do not think you look Black. And the Irish are one of the most pasty pale ethnic groups on the planet.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Has anyone ever made a serious attempt to trace back Butterfield's family tree? He seems like one of the more plausible candidates to be a high-profile Doležal. You'd think the Republican oppo research people would've looked into it, but then again he is in a safe VRA seat, and I'm never one to accuse the GOP of competence.

    I can find a few pictures[1,2,3,4] purported to be of his parents, who appear in them to have been darker than he is, although still not looking like they just got off the boat from Africa. However, the pictures are all at very low resolution, which makes me wonder if they've been tinted or manipulated.
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    [1] https://butterfield.house.gov/sites/butterfield.house.gov/files/styles/medium/public/wysiwyg_uploaded/GKB%20Parents.png
    [2] https://butterfield.house.gov/sites/butterfield.house.gov/files/styles/medium/public/wysiwyg_uploaded/Scan_2011051809015100.jpg
    [3] http://butterfield.house.gov/sites/butterfield.house.gov/files/styles/congress_home_page_feature_rotator/public/wysiwyg_uploaded/Scan_2011051809494200.jpg
    [4] Butterfield père is second from left, being sworn in after winning a local election in 1940's segregationist North Carolina. He looks quite white in this pic, the one with the best combination of focus and resolution and the only one that doesn't come from Butterfield's own website: http://www.ebony.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GK_Butterfield_Sr_original_55359-480x300.jpg

  85. Bee says:

    Wow, we finally found a rape accusation that Steve Sailer DOES believe!

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Steve only blogs when he disagrees with the mainstream narrative. I think he never expressed doubts about the Stanford swimmer rapist, for example. We, the commenters, did, but after reading the original police reports I came around to the view that the Stanford case was, indeed, a rape.

    In this case I don't think Parker raped the woman, but according to testimony he did invite others to have sex with the unconscious girl, and we have independent testimony to corroborate the girl's words.
  86. Bee says:

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?"

    If that was an influence (interesting Randy Thornhill type theory) then rape levels should be lower in African people of West African heritage?
    , @reiner Tor
    The white ancestors of African Americans did have sex with (presumably their own) slaves, but how do you know it was rape? It's not impossible for example that black women (some of them, at any rate) actually strived to be noticed by their masters. For example Sally Hemings at least willingly returned from Paris, which indicates consent on her part. It wouldn't be unprecedented for women to consent to sexual relations with a high social status male.
    , @jake
    That's a good question, if you have already asked if the Haitian propensity to rape is due to all that white Haitian ancestry, which surely is due to whitey raping blacks. I also suggest you explore why Mohammedans felt that castrating blacks was necessary to prevent rape on a large scale.
    , @syonredux

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?
     
    Some thoughts:

    1. Compare Black rape stats in the USA with rape stats in West Africa.

    2. Do gene tests on Black Americans who have been convicted of rape. See what their average level of European ancestry is.

    Of course, I really can't see anyone ever doing the gene test option. Too un-PC.
    , @ben tillman

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?
     
    No.
    , @Anonymous
    So your theory is that the lighter the skin of a black man, the more likely he is to be a rapist.
    , @Clyde

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?
     
    I used to believe that slave master = rapist bullshit. About the Massa (sic) and his sons going around raping the female slaves. Today I believe most of this white-black sex was consensual. Maybe 10-20% was rape. Was consensual as in the age old story of women trying to elevate themselves and their offspring by having sex with the big man, in this case the slave owner. Could be as simple as the pretty slave wanting to work inside (easy job) instead of outside in the hot fields. So she has sex with the owner's son. She has a daughter or son by him and she moves up the plantation hierarchy. Everyone is happy.

    Bottom line is that 80% on up of the Caucasian component in today's American blacks originates from consensual sex

    , @Thea
    I think if we look deep enough there is rape in all family trees. Maybe we need a new word for it. Spreading human genetic diversity?
    , @Sean
    You are unaware of the liberties that trusted black slaves were allowed to take with indentured white women servants in the early days of slavery. White women could be used to breed a slave, if the father was black .

    Even in the antebellum period South, free white women and girls if poor, had little chance of bringing a rape complaint against a black slave, who would be defended by a lawyer. Complainants were invariably accused of being prostitutes. (As were the complainants in the Scottsbro Boys case).

  87. Smitty says:

    Aside from invasion and hundreds of trillions in new unfunded liabilities, the looting alien mob is committing an economic rape of America too. Bell Maywood Huntington Park are all being loaded with bond debt by the renter mob, debt is a wonderful cockblocker too.

    Bell CA 1.2 Sq miles of 60 year old tract houses was loaded with over 180,000,000.00 in new immigrant bond debt in a mere 10 years, it’s a lot more now and the mob debt referendum business model has been franchised nationally.

    The renter mob is voting to liquidate and they HAVE NO BARRIERS

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  88. @Pat Hannagan
    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven't written about it doesn't make it mainstream.

    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven’t written about it doesn’t make it mainstream.

    Double negative! Doesn’t make it *not* mainstream. Whew. Ok. Original comment that, if you would think about it, as many of our younglings are forced to think about it via mainlining internet porn along with Grand Theft Auto version whatever it’s up to:

    This comment is probably a bit too hoi polloi, too déclassé, but I assure it has a certain je ne sais quoi that speaks to the moment, of the time: has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Has a poz porn actor ever starred as Bibi Netanyahu like Sarah Palin in “Who’s Nailin’ Paylin”? Maybe with Palestinians lining up in a Blue Oyster Bar to run him through a fisting train like a scene out of Al Pacino’s Cruising?

    I mean. Think about it.

    (Steve, let this one through. I mean really: think long and hard about it.)

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    I don't understand your reticence to post this comment. It is on topic, in fact more on topic than the post itself. If there is one thing that has gone universal beyond American sports it is American Porn.

    The subject, and the subject matter, is distasteful but is a subject that must be dealt with. It is more ubiquitous than ESPN and the EPL.

    Is it one of those nature vs nurture showdowns? Then let's put a line with the launch of internet porn vs rape statistics pre and post.

    My question was rhetorical as everyone knows Blacks on Jews is akin to ovens and Blacks on Whites is de rigueur and if you don't like it turn it off. There is a disconcerting focus on this blog towards genetics that refuses to see social forces readily observed.

    How can anyone miss the impact of online porn?

    You think negroes come up with these ideas themselves?
  89. @Pat Hannagan
    Just because The New York Times or BBC haven’t written about it doesn’t make it mainstream.

    Double negative! Doesn't make it *not* mainstream. Whew. Ok. Original comment that, if you would think about it, as many of our younglings are forced to think about it via mainlining internet porn along with Grand Theft Auto version whatever it's up to:


    This comment is probably a bit too hoi polloi, too déclassé, but I assure it has a certain je ne sais quoi that speaks to the moment, of the time: has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Has a poz porn actor ever starred as Bibi Netanyahu like Sarah Palin in “Who’s Nailin’ Paylin”? Maybe with Palestinians lining up in a Blue Oyster Bar to run him through a fisting train like a scene out of Al Pacino’s Cruising?

    I mean. Think about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbIMx2MYNXk

    (Steve, let this one through. I mean really: think long and hard about it.)

    I don’t understand your reticence to post this comment. It is on topic, in fact more on topic than the post itself. If there is one thing that has gone universal beyond American sports it is American Porn.

    The subject, and the subject matter, is distasteful but is a subject that must be dealt with. It is more ubiquitous than ESPN and the EPL.

    Is it one of those nature vs nurture showdowns? Then let’s put a line with the launch of internet porn vs rape statistics pre and post.

    My question was rhetorical as everyone knows Blacks on Jews is akin to ovens and Blacks on Whites is de rigueur and if you don’t like it turn it off. There is a disconcerting focus on this blog towards genetics that refuses to see social forces readily observed.

    How can anyone miss the impact of online porn?

    You think negroes come up with these ideas themselves?

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    has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?
     
    Interesting. I've thought for a while now that the gangporn promotion/fascination is a kind of conditioning. A psy-ops to promote a limbic response, rather than sympathy, to white victims of black rape.

    But no, no explicitly Jewish (qua Jewish) subjects of gang rape pornography. No coincidence I'm sure with the vast majority of studios being Jewish-owned and distributed.

  90. Here is a worthwhile database on lynching that gives the purported reason for each.

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    Murder is by far the most common reason sited, with rape second.

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    • Replies: @res
    Thanks. The downloadable spreadsheet is especially useful. Of 2806 lynchings
    Only 79 women.
    2462 black, 55 other/unknown, and 299 white.

    P.S. I think you meant cited.
  91. @Bee
    Wow, we finally found a rape accusation that Steve Sailer DOES believe!

    Steve only blogs when he disagrees with the mainstream narrative. I think he never expressed doubts about the Stanford swimmer rapist, for example. We, the commenters, did, but after reading the original police reports I came around to the view that the Stanford case was, indeed, a rape.

    In this case I don’t think Parker raped the woman, but according to testimony he did invite others to have sex with the unconscious girl, and we have independent testimony to corroborate the girl’s words.

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  92. @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    “BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?”

    If that was an influence (interesting Randy Thornhill type theory) then rape levels should be lower in African people of West African heritage?

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  93. @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    The white ancestors of African Americans did have sex with (presumably their own) slaves, but how do you know it was rape? It’s not impossible for example that black women (some of them, at any rate) actually strived to be noticed by their masters. For example Sally Hemings at least willingly returned from Paris, which indicates consent on her part. It wouldn’t be unprecedented for women to consent to sexual relations with a high social status male.

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    • Replies: @PistolPete
    Why is it assumed black woman can't just be physically/sexually attracted to a white male, regardless of status? I'm white and black chicks love me.... Especially non american ones(Domincans), because they weren't taught to hate whitey. Which back in slave days hadn't happened yet...
    , @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.
  94. @Anonymous Nephew
    "BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?"

    If that was an influence (interesting Randy Thornhill type theory) then rape levels should be lower in African people of West African heritage?

    Of course, that proposal is silly.

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  95. @Joe Schmoe
    mein schutze?

    Schutze means protection

    do you mean Schatz?

    Schatz means darling

    I believe that in this context “Schutze” means rifleman/private.

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  96. @Clyde
    You mentioned the Vanderbilt gang rape case where they also pissed on the victim and were stupid enough to take photo and video which the police found.

    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/
     

    The Vanderbilt gang rapists were in full throttle and gloried in what they did, so much they video’d audio and still shot the night and sent them around to friends, including one guy in (iirc) Calfiornia who sent it all to the cloud. The case, which started out innocuously as a look at security film because of a break-in at the dorm, 2 decent detectives viewed the sec film and saw what they suspected – just from the hallway cameras – was a all night gang rape. They went to her to tell her what had happened.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    That victim also went thru two trials, originally Batey and Vandenburg had been tried together, found quilty and the case overturned on a technicality. The retrial was bifurcated and Batey went first. She got thru it AGAIN. He went down again. IIRC the sentencing was 20 years. I hope events occur in prison that lengthen that sentence. Double it.

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    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.
     
    Tribute to the dominant football team blacks is right! Corey Batey got the minimum of 15. Two preachers and others testified to his character. His mother is a responsible person who worked at Vanderbilt 30 years. To me the moron white boyfriend gets most blame. His low and stupid character had him turn over his white girlfriend to these animals.
    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it. She probably tried to block it all out of her mind. During and after the rape. Trauma to the mind. But it came back for the trials.
    , @jake
    Whites around large numbers of blacks tend to want to make blacks like them, which leads them to act black in key ways. When the leadership is black (then Vanderbilt football coach James Franklin, now at Penn State - how's that for connections? -is black, then the matter can easily become horrible. What we had at Vanderbilt is a white jock wanting to be thought cool by his fairly typical criminally inclined black teammates, all of them under the rule of a black coach.

    Of course, it is a sin against democracy and the proposition nation to notice any of that, and an unpardonable sin to speak of it.

    At some point, there will be black/SJW folklore, which will be adopted by Neocons and other 'mainstream conservatives' post haste, that the history of the Confederacy caused it all, that the blacks were wrongly convicted, and that if we exterminate the Confederate battle flag and all who own one we can have a multi-racial paradise.
    , @David In TN
    Speaking of the racial dynamics on SEC football teams, some years ago my brother was at an alumni function of a private school he used to teach at. He talked to a man who recently played (as a walk on) at an SEC school.

    This man said the players "were a bunch of thugs." And "the only way to deal with them was to stand your ground and not back down."
  97. @Onginer
    Wrestling is a very white sport, it coincides with basketball season. I wrestled at a Big Ten University and graduated in 2010. Most of the blacks that I know that wrestled have a very different mentality than other blacks, if they had the same mentality, they would be playing basketball during the winter season and not wrestling. They also didn't fall into typical black group think, on my team we had three blacks total on a thirty man roster, and none of them hung out with the others, the blacks would stick with their entering class, rather than each other.

    The fact that the two Black wrestlers in question here went on to cinematography tends to prove your point Onginer, although as with AA in general, no doubt they received lots of (((help))) along the way.

    However, the fact that the cinematography in question may be the most blatantly anti-White piece to emerge so far (saying something in light of Django, Machete, etc) shows that even for Black wrestlers, blood is far thicker than water.

    So why should we feel positive about their talented tenth status? It only makes them more dangerous enemies.

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  98. snorlax says:
    @Jefferson
    "I remember when French and Irish American Stephen Colbert asked G.K Buttefield if you are Black than why do you look White? G.K responded by saying Blacks come in all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors.

    I doubt very much European colonizers saw all skin colors, hair colors, and eye colors when they first step foot in Sub Saharan Africa. They saw nothing but darkness and nappyness."

    This is how you know you are not Black, when even Irish people do not think you look Black. And the Irish are one of the most pasty pale ethnic groups on the planet.

    Has anyone ever made a serious attempt to trace back Butterfield’s family tree? He seems like one of the more plausible candidates to be a high-profile Doležal. You’d think the Republican oppo research people would’ve looked into it, but then again he is in a safe VRA seat, and I’m never one to accuse the GOP of competence.

    I can find a few pictures[1,2,3,4] purported to be of his parents, who appear in them to have been darker than he is, although still not looking like they just got off the boat from Africa. However, the pictures are all at very low resolution, which makes me wonder if they’ve been tinted or manipulated.

    [1][2][3][4] Butterfield père is second from left, being sworn in after winning a local election in 1940′s segregationist North Carolina. He looks quite white in this pic, the one with the best combination of focus and resolution and the only one that doesn’t come from Butterfield’s own website:

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  99. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    Anonymous, people interested in understanding the racial aspects of crimes such as rape or robbery often start their analyses with homicide. A little reflection (or reading) will make the reason clear.

    As to “what crime stats,” FBI/Dept. of Justice compilations have some severe limitations, but are still considered the most comprehensive that are available. Google quickly found this page on Murder, you can explore other crimes from there.

    Sailer always links to his sources. Here is a short blog post from 2013. And here is a link to a longer essay from March 2016, “Racial Ratios”. Website host Ron Unz wrote Race and Crime in America (2013). Unz’ conclusions about “Hispanic” crime rates have generated much discussion, but his findings about “black” rates are, unfortunately, consistent with prior and subsequent analyses.

    Now that you have a window into U.S. crime statistics, I hope you follow up on some of these leads, and report back on how your thinking evolves.

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  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    I, like you, anonymous, was ignorant. Now, don’t get mad at being called ignorant. We’re all born ignorant, it is our default state. However, we’re not necessarily born stupid. Stupid people refuse to learn. I don’t believe that you’re stupid. I don’t know anything about you, so how can I have an opinion one way or the other. But if you do want to learn and are sincere and in good faith when you ask for anyone to show you evidence about crime disparity in America then read the following, it may change your life. It is entirely fact based, statistically impeccable:

    http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    and this as well, written by Ron Unz, the very person who created this site, upon which you comment:

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

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  101. Clyde says:
    @Hidden Cat
    The Vanderbilt gang rapists were in full throttle and gloried in what they did, so much they video'd audio and still shot the night and sent them around to friends, including one guy in (iirc) Calfiornia who sent it all to the cloud. The case, which started out innocuously as a look at security film because of a break-in at the dorm, 2 decent detectives viewed the sec film and saw what they suspected - just from the hallway cameras - was a all night gang rape. They went to her to tell her what had happened.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    That victim also went thru two trials, originally Batey and Vandenburg had been tried together, found quilty and the case overturned on a technicality. The retrial was bifurcated and Batey went first. She got thru it AGAIN. He went down again. IIRC the sentencing was 20 years. I hope events occur in prison that lengthen that sentence. Double it.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    Tribute to the dominant football team blacks is right! Corey Batey got the minimum of 15. Two preachers and others testified to his character. His mother is a responsible person who worked at Vanderbilt 30 years. To me the moron white boyfriend gets most blame. His low and stupid character had him turn over his white girlfriend to these animals.
    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it. She probably tried to block it all out of her mind. During and after the rape. Trauma to the mind. But it came back for the trials.

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    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it.
     
    She truly did not know what happened... immediately the next day the boyfriend berated her for being so drunk that he had to take her to the dorm and "take care of her". She even apologised.

    The two detectives determined who she was and contacted her, showing her some limited amount of the material they were in the process of collecting. Fortunately they took the rape very seriously and that is how they tracked down so much of the evidence.

    I am really sorry for young women out in the world and too young and stupid to be able to take care of themselves, at least to the extent possible. But it never ceases to amaze me how young and stupid and the victim of multiple crimes vs rapist and abuser gets the big conversations and the harsh demeaning judgement.

    I was not aware that Corey Batey mother was a long time employee of Vanderbilt, I missed that. It was well reported all the breaks and chances he had in life, from plucked for a place at a prep school on scholarship among other things. I also read that friends reported he fully expected to get off.
  102. BB753 says:
    @Father O'Hara
    You're having sex with some woman and...you...call...your...buddy...in...to join you?

    It’s called a fraternity.

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  103. Marcus says:

    Burn the coal pay the toll. Also:

    Tamerlane Kangas, idled in the doorway, and Parker reportedly gestured for them to come join. Kangas testified that Celestin obliged, disregarding a warning from him: “No, you don’t want to go inside that room.”

    First Tamerlane to decline a chance to rape and pillage?

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  104. RonaldB says:
    @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    Women are simply not given the equipment to cope with their situations, especially in the light of expectations generated through the feminist movement.

    It comes down to personal empowerment.

    First is the ability and obligation to say “no”. This seems elementary, but many people have a difficult time saying “no”, to their detriment. People use emotional blackmail and feigned hurt feelings to bludgeon others into doing what they want. Girls should be coached on saying “no”, particularly to blacks.

    Second is the principle of never, ever being intoxicated in a social situation. This may involve the ability to say “no”, when someone pressures them to drink. The question of blame is secondary: it’s no consolation to a girl who is raped when her rapist is sentenced to prison. Much better to simply not be in the situation.

    There are actually ways to practice these things. Public speaking groups teach assertiveness. There are workshops on saying “no”. These would be useful for adolescents entering college. I think churches would do well to offer these to their youth.

    There are blacks who take full advantage of racial guilt to coerce whites, so part of learning to say “no” is to become desensitized to the “racist” label.

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  105. joef says:

    It all comes down to this: It does not matter what skin color that afro americans are, and it does not really matter about how smart they are regarding the racial realist Bell Curve theory about low IQs.

    The real problems are:
    - – Leftist pandering to afro americans that cause two primary effects: blaming whitey for everything, and affirmative action that provides them positions that they are not truly qualified for (barring any individual Black achievement to the contrary).
    - – And afro american anti social violent actions.

    In regards to afro americans, and their low IQ, that is not a primary problem that is contributing to our current chaos. Its their antisocial behavior, and constant demands for a free lunch (that is placing undue economic burden upon the nation) that are the primary factors. If they were not behaving with an antisocial blame whitey entitlement attitude, I would not care how smart or stupid they are. IQ may contribute, but it is actually the racial animosity, and social/economic decline, that will eventually do us in.

    If we could eliminate the antisocial behavior and leftist pandering, then we probably could steer low IQ individuals to productive outputs instead of what we have now. Unfortunately with leftist interference in promoting afro american dysfunctional behavior patterns, this is not going to happen.

    But as it is now: racial balkanization plus economic decline is a very bad formula for the stability of this country (or any society). And sticking our collective heads in the sand hoping it will all get better is not an effective strategy for national prosperity.

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    • Replies: @TCO94
    Excellent comment. The problems of the black community are made so much worse by the political far left, who are mostly white, supplying some gullible blacks with the scapegoat of white racism. Maybe it is because other groups don't have an arm of the academy supplying them with excuses that they have been more successful in improving their lots. It really is not helping. Also not helping is the push to have less thorough policing. The increased policing has been effective in lowering crime rates. This has benefited blacks who are the most common victims of black perpetrated crime. But the impact on criminal convictions has been disparate. So there is a push to reduce the intensity of policing in black majority areas. If it could be intensified even more then crime rates would fall even lower and many would give up crime as pointless. That would further benefit blacks. But it seems now that it will swing back in the direction of less intense policing and increasing crime rates.
  106. jake says:
    @anony-mouse
    '...Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge...'

    You are incorrect about GWTW. Here is that shanty town scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmn7sGTIGt8

    There is also a scene with a White Union deserter, as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett.

    I don't recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell's idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.

    Remember that the White overseer Wilkerson has illicit sex ---- with a White trash woman. Heavens that anyone would think...

    There are also no very light-skinned Blacks in the movie because, well, same.

    In the novel, the attempted rape is black on white. Mitchell wasn’t nearly as naive as you think. I haven’t seen the film for years, but I seem to recall that the group was both black and white.

    Hollywood, ala Stalin and doctored photographs and documents, was erasing black on white rape as soon as the truths of Griffith’s film reverberated. Even the usually liberal novelist Pat Conroy has a brutal black on white rape in The Great Santini, a rape that a friend of Conroy’s from his school days told me at a conference in SC was based on an actual rape. Hollywood certainly never intended to include the rape in the movie.

    Many years ago, there was a gang rape in a dorm by University of Arkansas basketball players, and maybe a football player or two. All of the accused were black. The coach was Nolan Richardson, a black man who accused everyone of racism, even referees who called fouls on his team. The black female cleaning staff somehow managed to clean the room, thoroughly, before even campus police arrived. When the feminists got around to protesting, they focused virtually 100% of their anger and frustration on white men.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The two miscreants in the movie version of "Gone With the Wind" who try to grab Scarlett are an early multi-culti gang: one white, one black. The scene is murky because it's probably shot with that old-fashioned day-for-night filter to imply twilight, but it's clear that the first bad guy is white and the second bad guy is black.
    , @Nnnz
    Are the perpetrators of military rape cases black or white or Mexicans?
  107. RonaldB says:
    @Anonymous
    In David Horowitz's infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it-- OT1H it's indisputably true, but if you're expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it's not helpful. I'm a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would've competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go "Star Trek" like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.

    Sometimes your writing style can be so opaque, it’s difficult to tell what your argument is. Your conclusion is fairly clear, but your argument is pretty fuzzy.

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  108. jake says:
    @Hidden Cat
    The Vanderbilt gang rapists were in full throttle and gloried in what they did, so much they video'd audio and still shot the night and sent them around to friends, including one guy in (iirc) Calfiornia who sent it all to the cloud. The case, which started out innocuously as a look at security film because of a break-in at the dorm, 2 decent detectives viewed the sec film and saw what they suspected - just from the hallway cameras - was a all night gang rape. They went to her to tell her what had happened.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    That victim also went thru two trials, originally Batey and Vandenburg had been tried together, found quilty and the case overturned on a technicality. The retrial was bifurcated and Batey went first. She got thru it AGAIN. He went down again. IIRC the sentencing was 20 years. I hope events occur in prison that lengthen that sentence. Double it.

    Whites around large numbers of blacks tend to want to make blacks like them, which leads them to act black in key ways. When the leadership is black (then Vanderbilt football coach James Franklin, now at Penn State – how’s that for connections? -is black, then the matter can easily become horrible. What we had at Vanderbilt is a white jock wanting to be thought cool by his fairly typical criminally inclined black teammates, all of them under the rule of a black coach.

    Of course, it is a sin against democracy and the proposition nation to notice any of that, and an unpardonable sin to speak of it.

    At some point, there will be black/SJW folklore, which will be adopted by Neocons and other ‘mainstream conservatives’ post haste, that the history of the Confederacy caused it all, that the blacks were wrongly convicted, and that if we exterminate the Confederate battle flag and all who own one we can have a multi-racial paradise.

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  109. jake says:
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    That’s a good question, if you have already asked if the Haitian propensity to rape is due to all that white Haitian ancestry, which surely is due to whitey raping blacks. I also suggest you explore why Mohammedans felt that castrating blacks was necessary to prevent rape on a large scale.

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  110. RonaldB says:
    @Anonymous
    We were having Nazis as plausible film villains well into the 21st Century. I'm not so sure it's completely dead even now. There is a movie on Netflix translated as "Look Who's Back" which is a Hitler-hipster comedy from the ol' Vaterland. Probably 50% of NF content is about Nazism in some way thematically or aesthetically (that's just a conservative estimate). If that well isn't dry, if that low-hanging fruit hasn't been completely pulverized into po-mo mush -- otherwise there would not be foreign comical cartoon shows about it -- what chance is there of anti-white race-solidarity hate, idle Negro edition, evaporating away? And it's also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression

    And it’s also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression

    If anyone has a clue to the point of the sentence, please let me know.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    I think he's saying that some people still nurse a grudge over the Civil War, so don't expect Nazi/Black grudgemanship to abate anytime soon.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'm still trying to figure out how the "stinging tears" got to the "brow" from which they were wiped.
  111. syonredux says:
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    Some thoughts:

    1. Compare Black rape stats in the USA with rape stats in West Africa.

    2. Do gene tests on Black Americans who have been convicted of rape. See what their average level of European ancestry is.

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  112. RonaldB says:
    @yowza

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful. I’m a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would’ve competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go “Star Trek” like that.
     
    You're essentially saying, while it's true, it's distasteful in bar debate.

    I respond that this is irrelevant. Many facts are distasteful. Just because it bothers you, doesn't change reality, unless you're neurotic, stupid, or selling something.

    I will reshuffle a response with the same deck of cards, and submit that blacks should forget the past, count their blessings, and when it comes to white bigotry, avoid personifying current negative black stereotypes.

    Pull white bigotry out by the roots by proving them wrong.

    That solution is a long, hard slog. Blacks generally don't like that, and cannot organize around it. Their preferred backstory is that of an world idiot savant prince stripped of their wealth and left to fight for their dignity at the hands of white devil slave-masters in waiting.

    So... police shoot them in the face.

    At least that story isn't as distasteful. ;)

    I disagree with your entire approach of advising blacks on the logic of reparations.

    Reparations are a variant of the “soak the rich” argument: take from those who have it and give to those in need. Those who perceive themselves as net beneficiaries of this redistribution will favor it. So, it really doesn’t matter what blacks think of it: its success (or rather failure) depends on non-blacks in politically supporting their own interests. The main argument to use against blacks is “no way!” Then, hopefully, they won’t wait around waiting for them.

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  113. BenKenobi says:
    @Tacitus2016
    Then we look at the South African experience. Still waiting for the Boer/Saxons to 'begin to hate'. Submission, fade away.

    So what you’re saying is we have a highly instructive example to avoid.

    Excellent point.

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  114. @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?

    No.

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  115. @reiner Tor
    The white ancestors of African Americans did have sex with (presumably their own) slaves, but how do you know it was rape? It's not impossible for example that black women (some of them, at any rate) actually strived to be noticed by their masters. For example Sally Hemings at least willingly returned from Paris, which indicates consent on her part. It wouldn't be unprecedented for women to consent to sexual relations with a high social status male.

    Why is it assumed black woman can’t just be physically/sexually attracted to a white male, regardless of status? I’m white and black chicks love me…. Especially non american ones(Domincans), because they weren’t taught to hate whitey. Which back in slave days hadn’t happened yet…

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    • Agree: BB753, Clyde
    • Replies: @5371
    Yes, the number of people of any race who are descended from a proven white rapist must be very small.
  116. Jack ryan says: • Website

    I graduated from Vanderbilt ’84.

    I noted the terrible Blacl football player rape there and the man White fraternity rape hoaxes at Duke U of Virginia

    And now I see this.

    Did the rape victim at Penn State really commit suicide?

    Let s put together contact list in and around Penn State – spread the world to oppose this terrible movie.

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  117. @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    That statement would have been more compelling if it was followed by a link to a news story about one.

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  118. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Vinay
    There's a transcript of the victim's phone call with Nate Parker. It'd be great if the Haven-Monahan-vintage Steve would let us know what he makes of it? Is that a futile hope?

    I know this is a popcorn moment at iSteve but, seriously, forgetting for a moment that the guy is black and the victim is white, these *were* just a couple of college kids. What do you make of the evidence?

    I wonder if it was Parker’s and Celestin’s hated of whites that caused them to both rape the white woman and then make a fantasy story about killing whites. It certainly sounds like it.

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  119. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    I don’t put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.
     
    Wise to not put this thought on your resume.

    There's a whole lot to be said about the sorry state of women--drunkenness, hookups--these days. But even given that, having the bad judgement to say "yes" to one guy, doesn't--and shouldn't--mean you've said yes to all his friends.

    Furthermore, one should have some sympathy--at least for these young co-eds, if not older women--given the incredibly destructive propaganda women, especially white women are constantly exposed to:
    -- they should be able to behave like guys, and it's sexist to suggest otherwise
    -- partying to drunkenness is ok
    -- their sexuality is to "be explored", hookups are ok
    -- black men are acceptable romantic and sexual partners.

    Yes, this woman should never have put herself in this situation. But women are conformists and our culture feeds women--which many young women absorb as fairly naive and clueless girls--these destructive lies. And then they are dumped on campus with black athletes, and instead of protective realism, nothing but fuzzy headed b.s. in their heads.

    People are responsible for their actions, but it sure helps people--especially young people and doubly especially young women--if the culture isn't lying to them and feeding them stupid shit.

    If you’re female and you’ve reached college age without learning about high black crime rates, and if you’re not utterly disgusted by ugly and aggressive lower-class black behavior and speech, and you decide you want to go hang out with a roomful of drunken black men, something is extremely wrong with you. A normal woman should have a danger alarm going off in her head.

    Women are more socially astute than men. This is genetically-based. A woman like the above has a serious flaw in her social IQ. She’s isn’t taking in the evidence of either her senses or statistics, and she’s making a seriously stupid decision. I won’t say she’ll be getting what she deserves, but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn’t be passing on her genes.

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    Only one who has experienced first hand, the level of faux stupidity to which many Whites - men and women - in this country have been reduced can understand how badly their thought processes have been corrupted by prog propaganda. My sister is a middle-aged, highly educated, White professional, living in a city whose public schools are predominantly Negro and Hispanic. When her daughter - whose mind has been permanently warped by prog nonsense - demanded that she be allowed to attend the local high school rather than a private school, as her parents wished, her parents acquiesced.

    Just after her first semester ended, the kid had a nervous breakdown as a result of all the abuse she suffered and had to leave school. She required hospitalization and extensive therapy before she was able to return to a first class private school where she subsequently flourished. I've had some professional experience studying violence and sexual violence in particular and the kid has ever since seemed to me to display some symptoms similar to those experienced by survivors of sexual abuse. Both my sister and niece have ever since denied that race had anything to do with the problem and refuse to even discuss the possibility of sexual violence. They are in a pathological state of denial.
    , @annamaria
    "...but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn’t be passing on her genes."
    She was a freshman - a young girl. And she suicided herself because of a shame - or rather because of the harassment organized by Parker and Celestin.
    Do you have any decency? - I doubt that you do.
    , @Anonymous
    Maybe she was counting on her "boyfriend" to protect her...
  120. For the Civil War buffs: John Mosby, the famous Confederate guerrilla, lived long enough to watch [Griffith's] Birth of a Nation on the silver screen.

    If he lived long enough to see it, I suspect plenty of other Civil War veterans did, too.

    So yes, “white people much closer in time to the late 1860s didn’t seem to have much trouble believing these movies….”

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  121. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Django Unchained
    12 Years a Slave
    Selma
    Roots II
    Birth of a Nation
    What am I missing?

    It's as if they worry the black flames of anti-white hate & racism might go out if they don't keep stoking the fire with fresh propaganda. Does anybody know how seriously these are taken in public education? I can all too easily imagine educators who are true believers in institutional racism and the whole story of oppression and white privilege making their kids sit through this stuff so the only remaining shared national civic myths continue to be transmitted and brainwash the young.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy junior high and high school teachers who like to show a movie for history class instead of actually teaching. Because of the PC educational culture these days, a lot of propaganda movies are being used to brainwash children. This is especially true in black schools because the teachers have lot of problems controlling the unruly students, and the kids are terrible learners. Showing a movie is about the only thing that will grab black students’ attention and sink into their heads.

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  122. @Anonymous
    In David Horowitz's infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it-- OT1H it's indisputably true, but if you're expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it's not helpful. I'm a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would've competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go "Star Trek" like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful.

    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a “bad debating point”?

    It’s the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.

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    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a “bad debating point”?

    It’s the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.
     
    Because Blacks don't compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here's the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it's the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlining.

    *Something that Ron Unz needs to learn. He actually thinks that second and third generation Mexican-Americans go around thinking about how how much better-off they are in the USA. No, they go around thinking about how Anglos are keeping them down.
  123. @Tacitus2016
    Then we look at the South African experience. Still waiting for the Boer/Saxons to 'begin to hate'. Submission, fade away.

    Even before the collapse of Apartheid, Whites in South Africa were outnumbered — they comprised less than 15% of the population in 1990:

    http://www.theodora.com/wfb1990/south_africa/south_africa_people.html

    Since the end of Apartheid, thanks to a massive “white flight” (to places such as Australia, Canada, the US and the UK), not to mention the usual explosion of nonwhite births, the white population is now well below 10% of the total population of South Africa.

    The only way you win with those odds is if you’re already an equipped, trained and disciplined military force.

    Believe me, I take your point, especially as, back in the 1980s, I was expecting a massive backlash against non-white immigration into the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain and Europe by the end of the 1990s at the latest.

    Instead, things got worse.

    Because quantity has a quality all of its own, numbers matter. Presently, in all white nations those numbers are going the wrong way.

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  124. SPMoore8 says:
    @Halvorson
    I've been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner's "uprising":

    "In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master's house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history."

    Somehow, that don't think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker's version of the story.

    If the new Birth of a Nation is truly honest, it will also show the family where all ten children were decapitated and stacked like cordwood in the front yard. To be sure ,details like that might be a little sketchy, but Nat Turner’s gang was quite brutal and murderous.

    The fact that the guy who made the movie intoxicated a woman and got her to perform oral sex on him, and then his friend, is a rather sordid detail about the guy. It’s not relevant, but it is.

    My main concern with the film is that it will serve as a justification for future violence, especially if it is graphic.

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  125. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let's lock up all white men!

    Wake me up when salacious stories about Asian Rape Culture and its poor, white victims spread across the MSM. We can debunk them together.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Does the rape of nanking ring a bell, or jap troops bayonating babies and pregnant women?
  126. guest says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Griffith’s film relied heavily on racist propaganda to evoke fear and desperation as a tool to solidify white supremacy as the lifeblood of American sustenance."

    Sounds like black word salad to me. I'm sure the guy missed his calling to be on one of those rappin' debate squads (NWA - Ni**az With Arguments).

    When this film is released, I wonder if a lot of white people will not go out to see any movies, not because of a boycott, but because they want to avoid gangs of marauding "youths" hopped up on this example of racial-grievance porn. I hope whites do stay away, and depress the box-office for everything. It'd serve Hollywood right.

    Lifeblood of American sustenance makes it sound like white people are vampires. I think he’s confusing Birth of a Nation with Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.

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  127. res says:
    @Anonymous
    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    What crime stats? All I see is an anecdotal story about a black guy raping a white woman.

    For example, these: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf
    See Table 42. Personal crimes of violence, 2007
    Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations,
    based on race of victims, by type of crime
    and perceived race of offender

    During 2007 14,000 black on white rape/sexual assaults (versus 13,000 black on black) and statistically 0 white on black rapes (versus 140,000 white on white, odd that 24,000 rapes of whites had an unknown race of offender).

    Of course in their infinite wisdom Obama’s DOJ has made this sort of statistics less available. I guess if you don’t like reality then conceal it, lie, and point and sputter (you’ve got that last down).

    I could easily pick a story about a white man raping another colored woman and say that white people are all rapists like Sailor says here about blacks.

    Could you? How about you give it a try then let us know how easy it was?

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  128. res says:
    @FactsAreImportant
    Here is a worthwhile database on lynching that gives the purported reason for each.

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    Murder is by far the most common reason sited, with rape second.

    Thanks. The downloadable spreadsheet is especially useful. Of 2806 lynchings
    Only 79 women.
    2462 black, 55 other/unknown, and 299 white.

    P.S. I think you meant cited.

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  129. syonredux says:
    @ben tillman

    In David Horowitz’s infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it– OT1H it’s indisputably true, but if you’re expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it’s not helpful.
     
    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a "bad debating point"?

    It's the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.

    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a “bad debating point”?

    It’s the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.

    Because Blacks don’t compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here’s the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it’s the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlining.

    *Something that Ron Unz needs to learn. He actually thinks that second and third generation Mexican-Americans go around thinking about how how much better-off they are in the USA. No, they go around thinking about how Anglos are keeping them down.

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    Because Blacks don’t compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here’s the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it’s the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlini
     

    They wouldn't exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they're irrational doesn't mean that this isn't the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.

    You haven't shed any light on the other commenter's claim that this argument is worse than others; you've just said that none will convince Blacks. I'm still curious to hear his basis for saying what he did.

  130. 5371 says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Griffith’s film relied heavily on racist propaganda to evoke fear and desperation as a tool to solidify white supremacy as the lifeblood of American sustenance."

    Sounds like black word salad to me. I'm sure the guy missed his calling to be on one of those rappin' debate squads (NWA - Ni**az With Arguments).

    When this film is released, I wonder if a lot of white people will not go out to see any movies, not because of a boycott, but because they want to avoid gangs of marauding "youths" hopped up on this example of racial-grievance porn. I hope whites do stay away, and depress the box-office for everything. It'd serve Hollywood right.

    Solidify something as lifeblood? Good thing this is a black, otherwise his inability to use the English language might be remarked upon.

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  131. 5371 says:
    @PistolPete
    Why is it assumed black woman can't just be physically/sexually attracted to a white male, regardless of status? I'm white and black chicks love me.... Especially non american ones(Domincans), because they weren't taught to hate whitey. Which back in slave days hadn't happened yet...

    Yes, the number of people of any race who are descended from a proven white rapist must be very small.

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  132. @jake
    In the novel, the attempted rape is black on white. Mitchell wasn't nearly as naive as you think. I haven't seen the film for years, but I seem to recall that the group was both black and white.

    Hollywood, ala Stalin and doctored photographs and documents, was erasing black on white rape as soon as the truths of Griffith's film reverberated. Even the usually liberal novelist Pat Conroy has a brutal black on white rape in The Great Santini, a rape that a friend of Conroy's from his school days told me at a conference in SC was based on an actual rape. Hollywood certainly never intended to include the rape in the movie.

    Many years ago, there was a gang rape in a dorm by University of Arkansas basketball players, and maybe a football player or two. All of the accused were black. The coach was Nolan Richardson, a black man who accused everyone of racism, even referees who called fouls on his team. The black female cleaning staff somehow managed to clean the room, thoroughly, before even campus police arrived. When the feminists got around to protesting, they focused virtually 100% of their anger and frustration on white men.

    The two miscreants in the movie version of “Gone With the Wind” who try to grab Scarlett are an early multi-culti gang: one white, one black. The scene is murky because it’s probably shot with that old-fashioned day-for-night filter to imply twilight, but it’s clear that the first bad guy is white and the second bad guy is black.

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    Thanks for mentioning this, indeed "an early multi-cult gang."
  133. SMK says: • Website
    @Dr. X

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.
     
    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth -- not at all unlike the Soviet Union? The "Official Story" is that innocent blacks everywhere are cowering in fear of white supremacists and nightriders of the KKK, out to torture and lynch them for sport. The reality is that blacks commit the lion's share of violent crime in this country, more than half the murders, and literally all the inter-racial rapes. Yet the propaganda machine tells us that it is a "racist myth" that blacks are sexually insatiable and violent.

    The Democratic Party is playing with racial fire by stoking black hatred of whites. The latest example is Milwaukee, where a black cop shot a black thug, and the black arsonists and street mobs wanted to kill whites on account of it. Someday they're going to provoke a national, coast-to-coast race war, and maybe then the scales will fall from white peoples' eyes -- probably too late.

    And how many black-on-white aggravated assaults, muggings, rapes, gang-rapes, murders, etc., are induced by this bogus and incendiary narrative?

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  134. Svigor says:

    The identity of Parker and Celestin’s accuser was initially confidential—she was unnamed in news stories and listed only as Jane Doe in the federal lawsuit—but, according to the civil case, the wrestlers allegedly hired a private eye who splashed an enlarged photograph of Jennifer around campus so students could supply dirt on her.

    Cute. If a couple white guys had done this, the media would have gone completely ape, and made it into a national news frenzy.

    But black so, no story.

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  135. Svigor says:

    Whites aren’t raping anyone.

    Blacks are raping everyone.

    Right.

    Well, that’s liar’s world, the place libs go when they can’t deal with the accusations actually made.

    Black rape rate is 6.5 times the white rate. But, crickets chirping in liberal “truth-telling” bastion of corporate media.

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  136. Svigor says:

    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/

    I see. Ye olde Collective Guilt:

    Blacks enslave blacks (nobody cares) for thousands of years (nobody cares), sell some (nobody cares) to whites (uh oh).
    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).
    A hundred and fifty years later, blacks rape white who never owned slaves, as “revenge for slavery.”
    [Put your guess here] years later, whites open up can of whup-ass on blacks who never raped any white girls, as “revenge for revenge for slavery.”

    Hey, makes perfect sense.

    If someone’s enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy–and kill them. Works for me.

    Yes, dat baby in da crib and de womenfolk been enslavin’…

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    "Payback" eh? The OJ jury used "jury nullification" to let off a double murderer. Same old...same old.
    , @gbloco
    Instead of 400 the average "holding period" was less than 100 years in British colonies and 150 in the United States

    You might also add "Whites lead the first successfully campaign for the abolition of slavery in human history including fighting a long and bloody civil war...."
    , @ben tillman

    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).
     
    1865 - 1619 = 246.
  137. Svigor says:

    Because Blacks don’t compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Oh, I see; blacks are aiming to pay themselves reparations. Here I thought non-blacks were expected to pay, and presumably acquiesce before paying. Silly me!

    The scene is murky because it’s probably shot with that old-fashioned day-for-night filter

    OT trivia, they still use day-for-night filters (more than they shoot at night, AFAICT). They’re just not old-fashioned any more.

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  138. Svigor says:

    One day soon, they will beg for a loony lefty such as Pat Buchanan.

    I’m talkin’ Full Kurtz: The Doctrine.

    Libs provoke this reaction by closing off all forms of dissent. Like someone who deliberately blocks the valve on a pressure cooker. And assuming they survive the explosion, they can claim it came out of left field, unprovoked, etc., and use it to further their Narrative. ‘Course one day, they’re certain not to survive the explosion…

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  139. Svigor says:

    If I was a South African white thinking about a fight for independence, I’d be forced to acknowledge the likelihood of UN/US/NATO intervention against my side. Chances are way, way up there.

    No libs coming to save UN/US/NATO, though.

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  140. @syonredux

    Why not? How do you imagine it to be a “bad debating point”?

    It’s the most obvious and relevant response. No reparations because there is nothing to be repaired.
     
    Because Blacks don't compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here's the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it's the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlining.

    *Something that Ron Unz needs to learn. He actually thinks that second and third generation Mexican-Americans go around thinking about how how much better-off they are in the USA. No, they go around thinking about how Anglos are keeping them down.

    Because Blacks don’t compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here’s the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it’s the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlini

    They wouldn’t exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they’re irrational doesn’t mean that this isn’t the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.

    You haven’t shed any light on the other commenter’s claim that this argument is worse than others; you’ve just said that none will convince Blacks. I’m still curious to hear his basis for saying what he did.

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    They wouldn’t exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they’re irrational doesn’t mean that this isn’t the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.
     
    I'm an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it's an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.
  141. syonredux says:
    @ben tillman

    Because Blacks don’t compare themselves to people in Africa; they compare themselves to White Americans.*

    Here’s the Black American mantra:If we are not as successful as White Americans, it’s the fault of slavery/Jim Crow/redlini
     

    They wouldn't exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they're irrational doesn't mean that this isn't the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.

    You haven't shed any light on the other commenter's claim that this argument is worse than others; you've just said that none will convince Blacks. I'm still curious to hear his basis for saying what he did.

    They wouldn’t exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they’re irrational doesn’t mean that this isn’t the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.

    I’m an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it’s an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.

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    Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students.
     
    What's your point?

    It's liberal (sic) whites who are driving the whole train. It's all some sort of deranged revenge fantasy to get back at the high school quarterback who got the girl they deserved.

    Tarantino et. al.
    , @ben tillman

    I’m an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it’s an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.
     
    But that's still not responsive. What argument is better?
  142. BenjaminL says:

    The limits of black solidarity:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/opinion/sunday/nate-parker-and-the-limits-of-empathy.html

    Roxane Gay, black feminist professor and frequent NYT contributor, is not happy with Nate Parker.

    I have not yet seen the movie, and now I won’t. Just as I cannot compartmentalize the various markers of my identity, I cannot value a movie, no matter how good or “important” it might be, over the dignity of a woman whose story should be seen as just as important, a woman who is no longer alive to speak for herself, or benefit from any measure of justice. No amount of empathy could make that possible.

    In this case, unlike in the OJ trial, the feminism trumps the ethnocentrism. Nice to see a little consistency at least.

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  143. L Woods says:
    @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    I don’t have any sympathy either, but that’s really besides the point here. The perp richly deserves to be (metaphorically of course) strung up regardless of the turpitude of the victim.

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  144. “So, maybe the original ‘Birth of a Nation’ wasn’t wholly ahistorical?”

    So, rape in America in the 1960s and in South Africa post-Apartheid is the only evidence that “maybe” there was black-on-white rape after the Civil War? The fact that people 50 years after the fact found it plausible is our best evidence? Because if we had any, you know, real evidence, I assume Mr. Sailer would have cited it.

    This is special pleading at its worst. Unless/until we have documented evidence of black-on-white rape after the Civil War, the idea that the Ku Klux Klan was defending white womanhood remains propaganda.

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    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence.
    , @bomag

    Unless/until we have documented evidence...
     
    If such is offered, are you going to agree with the contention? I doubt it.
  145. Olorin says:

    Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge.

    Where is the attempted black-on-white rape in GWTW?

    I recall Vivien Leigh in a carriage riding alone thru shantytown against good advice, being attacked by a white Southern guy, and saved by a black former field slave. This is the narrative setup for the local men to ride in by night and clean up the camp, which allows for Scarlett O’Hara’s second husband to die so she can marry what’s-his-name, the oily Gable character.

    I recall a white Union soldier leering at her when he comes to the house to scavenge (she shoots him in the face).

    I recall her being raped by her husband.

    Did I miss something?

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    • Replies: @guest
    "I recall her being raped by her husband"

    There is no rape in marriage. She consented at the altar. Besides, she liked it; did you see the look on her face the next morning?

  146. @syonredux

    They wouldn’t exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they’re irrational doesn’t mean that this isn’t the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.
     
    I'm an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it's an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.

    Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students.

    What’s your point?

    It’s liberal (sic) whites who are driving the whole train. It’s all some sort of deranged revenge fantasy to get back at the high school quarterback who got the girl they deserved.

    Tarantino et. al.

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    Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students.

    What’s your point?

    It’s liberal (sic) whites who are driving the whole train. It’s all some sort of deranged revenge fantasy to get back at the high school quarterback who got the girl they deserved.

    Tarantino et. al.
     
    My point is that it's not an argument that works on White Liberals. Indeed, they seem to look forward to having it brought up. I've even seen them chuckle in response.
  147. @For what it's worth
    "So, maybe the original 'Birth of a Nation' wasn’t wholly ahistorical?"

    So, rape in America in the 1960s and in South Africa post-Apartheid is the only evidence that "maybe" there was black-on-white rape after the Civil War? The fact that people 50 years after the fact found it plausible is our best evidence? Because if we had any, you know, real evidence, I assume Mr. Sailer would have cited it.

    This is special pleading at its worst. Unless/until we have documented evidence of black-on-white rape after the Civil War, the idea that the Ku Klux Klan was defending white womanhood remains propaganda.

    What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence.

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    "What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence."

    What is simply asserted may be simply denied. Provide the actual *evidence* that there were significant numbers of black-on-white rapes during the time period of "Birth of a Nation" and that this had anything to do with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. Quote the contemporary sources, not the imaginings of subsequent generations.
  148. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    G.K. Butterfield is a black male of pallor.

    I always thought being black meant you were supposed to have black skin. Learn something new every day.

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  149. @syonredux

    They wouldn’t exist without chattel slavery in this country. They are literally infinitely better off because of chattel slavery in this country. The fact that they’re irrational doesn’t mean that this isn’t the most obvious argument to make in an effort to convince other Whites, at least.
     
    I'm an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it's an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.

    I’m an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it’s an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.

    But that’s still not responsive. What argument is better?

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  150. guest says:
    @Olorin

    Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge.
     
    Where is the attempted black-on-white rape in GWTW?

    I recall Vivien Leigh in a carriage riding alone thru shantytown against good advice, being attacked by a white Southern guy, and saved by a black former field slave. This is the narrative setup for the local men to ride in by night and clean up the camp, which allows for Scarlett O'Hara's second husband to die so she can marry what's-his-name, the oily Gable character.

    I recall a white Union soldier leering at her when he comes to the house to scavenge (she shoots him in the face).

    I recall her being raped by her husband.

    Did I miss something?

    “I recall her being raped by her husband”

    There is no rape in marriage. She consented at the altar. Besides, she liked it; did you see the look on her face the next morning?

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  151. @Clyde

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.
     
    Tribute to the dominant football team blacks is right! Corey Batey got the minimum of 15. Two preachers and others testified to his character. His mother is a responsible person who worked at Vanderbilt 30 years. To me the moron white boyfriend gets most blame. His low and stupid character had him turn over his white girlfriend to these animals.
    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it. She probably tried to block it all out of her mind. During and after the rape. Trauma to the mind. But it came back for the trials.

    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it.

    She truly did not know what happened… immediately the next day the boyfriend berated her for being so drunk that he had to take her to the dorm and “take care of her”. She even apologised.

    The two detectives determined who she was and contacted her, showing her some limited amount of the material they were in the process of collecting. Fortunately they took the rape very seriously and that is how they tracked down so much of the evidence.

    I am really sorry for young women out in the world and too young and stupid to be able to take care of themselves, at least to the extent possible. But it never ceases to amaze me how young and stupid and the victim of multiple crimes vs rapist and abuser gets the big conversations and the harsh demeaning judgement.

    I was not aware that Corey Batey mother was a long time employee of Vanderbilt, I missed that. It was well reported all the breaks and chances he had in life, from plucked for a place at a prep school on scholarship among other things. I also read that friends reported he fully expected to get off.

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    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2016/07/14/cory-batey-faces-least-15-years-friday-sentencing/86953944/
    This is where I got a lot of my info. It seems they took down the video where you can hear but not see the rape victim speaking. She sounds broken from it all. She is credible.
    BUT
    youtube has a long video of Cory Batey Trial Sentencing 07/15/16. Rape victim speaks at 11 minutes in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdmAawCc1BI
  152. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @guest
    Wake me up when salacious stories about Asian Rape Culture and its poor, white victims spread across the MSM. We can debunk them together.

    Does the rape of nanking ring a bell, or jap troops bayonating babies and pregnant women?

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  153. Nnnz says: • Website
    @jake
    In the novel, the attempted rape is black on white. Mitchell wasn't nearly as naive as you think. I haven't seen the film for years, but I seem to recall that the group was both black and white.

    Hollywood, ala Stalin and doctored photographs and documents, was erasing black on white rape as soon as the truths of Griffith's film reverberated. Even the usually liberal novelist Pat Conroy has a brutal black on white rape in The Great Santini, a rape that a friend of Conroy's from his school days told me at a conference in SC was based on an actual rape. Hollywood certainly never intended to include the rape in the movie.

    Many years ago, there was a gang rape in a dorm by University of Arkansas basketball players, and maybe a football player or two. All of the accused were black. The coach was Nolan Richardson, a black man who accused everyone of racism, even referees who called fouls on his team. The black female cleaning staff somehow managed to clean the room, thoroughly, before even campus police arrived. When the feminists got around to protesting, they focused virtually 100% of their anger and frustration on white men.

    Are the perpetrators of military rape cases black or white or Mexicans?

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  154. Clyde says:
    @Hidden Cat

    Interesting how this rape was uncovered from security cameras, not from her reporting it.
     
    She truly did not know what happened... immediately the next day the boyfriend berated her for being so drunk that he had to take her to the dorm and "take care of her". She even apologised.

    The two detectives determined who she was and contacted her, showing her some limited amount of the material they were in the process of collecting. Fortunately they took the rape very seriously and that is how they tracked down so much of the evidence.

    I am really sorry for young women out in the world and too young and stupid to be able to take care of themselves, at least to the extent possible. But it never ceases to amaze me how young and stupid and the victim of multiple crimes vs rapist and abuser gets the big conversations and the harsh demeaning judgement.

    I was not aware that Corey Batey mother was a long time employee of Vanderbilt, I missed that. It was well reported all the breaks and chances he had in life, from plucked for a place at a prep school on scholarship among other things. I also read that friends reported he fully expected to get off.

    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2016/07/14/cory-batey-faces-least-15-years-friday-sentencing/86953944/

    This is where I got a lot of my info. It seems they took down the video where you can hear but not see the rape victim speaking. She sounds broken from it all. She is credible.
    BUT
    youtube has a long video of Cory Batey Trial Sentencing 07/15/16. Rape victim speaks at 11 minutes in

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    That was some difficult listening.

    I'm wondering if we are able to tabulate the costs of a Cory Batey.
    , @Hidden Cat
    Thank you for that page.... packed full. IMO the judge was too lenient. It should have been the max but at least there is no parole from the 15 years, he has to serve the full - then sex offender for life. IIRC Vandenburg was charged with more ... a couple more counts than Batey. And I see the two others are scheduled for trial and have declared themselves "not guilty". I was afraid they might not go to trial.

    I am glad she raised the issue of a hate crime based on her skin color. I had read that TN does not have the hate crime statute... I dislike it - too close to "thought crime", but I think lots of violent crimes could have extra charges of special circumstances, something similar to but greater than "depraved indifference". Where you must serve the maximum or the special circumstances carry separate, extra time in prison.
  155. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    So your theory is that the lighter the skin of a black man, the more likely he is to be a rapist.

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  156. “Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin”. Charles Demuth saw the figure five in gold, I saw the handwriting on the wall in neon and emigrated from the US to a place where the nearest negro is over a hundred miles away and to find something approximating a negro ghetto, 600 miles. Once upon a time I’d imagined my grandsons going to university in the US, but no longer. I’d rather they didn’t participate in the death of a nation if the cultural Marxists are not driven out of gov and education and their pernicious legacy erased.

    The block printing (no one up there can write cursive any long, from what I read) on the wall with respect to the upcoming US election says it loud and clear: “FINAL WARNING-LAST CHANCE”.

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  157. bomag says:
    @RonaldB

    And it’s also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression
     
    If anyone has a clue to the point of the sentence, please let me know.

    I think he’s saying that some people still nurse a grudge over the Civil War, so don’t expect Nazi/Black grudgemanship to abate anytime soon.

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  158. Svigor says:

    I’m an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it’s an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.

    Maybe, maybe not. Few (if any) arguments will cause True Believers to confess their sins on the spot. Too much ego invested, especially when one side is Officially Good, and the other Officially Bad. But they can plant seeds that may later sprout. Many is the argument that one’s inner voice responds to with “wow, he got me there,” while one’s outer voice responds quite differently.

    You have no real way of tracking the long-term results, or of reading any thoughts at the time.

    IMO it’s an effective argument, and it ties in well with the argument that whites do not drive (down) black outcomes; black outcomes are better in proximity to whites, not worse.

    So, rape in America in the 1960s and in South Africa post-Apartheid is the only evidence that “maybe” there was black-on-white rape after the Civil War? The fact that people 50 years after the fact found it plausible is our best evidence? Because if we had any, you know, real evidence, I assume Mr. Sailer would have cited it.

    You assume there’s no evidence, because Sailer didn’t cite any. That’s some powerful sheeit there, my friend!

    This is special pleading at its worst.

    How so? You sure you’re using that term properly? If so, show your math please.

    The safest (logically, not politically, of course) assumption is that blacks were roughly as rapey then as now, after correcting for general black criminal trends at the time (justice was swifter and much harsher at the time, even if investigation was far less robust, meaning there was probably greater deterrent then).

    Does the rape of nanking ring a bell, or jap troops bayonating babies and pregnant women?

    No, those do not ring the “yellow on white rape narrative” bell. Help me out here.

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    Suuure. That’s why rape doesn’t happen in sub-Saharan Africa.

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    Maybe, maybe not. Few (if any) arguments will cause True Believers to confess their sins on the spot. Too much ego invested, especially when one side is Officially Good, and the other Officially Bad. But they can plant seeds that may later sprout. Many is the argument that one’s inner voice responds to with “wow, he got me there,” while one’s outer voice responds quite differently.

    You have no real way of tracking the long-term results, or of reading any thoughts at the time.

    IMO it’s an effective argument, and it ties in well with the argument that whites do not drive (down) black outcomes; black outcomes are better in proximity to whites, not worse.
     
    Perhaps it does work with some people. However, I've never seen it get any headway on campus (admittedly, a unique environment). And SJWs on campus seem to positively relish hearing Whites use it, as it allows them to cut-and-paste from TN Coates articles on redlining for 20 minutes.
  159. bomag says:
    @For what it's worth
    "So, maybe the original 'Birth of a Nation' wasn’t wholly ahistorical?"

    So, rape in America in the 1960s and in South Africa post-Apartheid is the only evidence that "maybe" there was black-on-white rape after the Civil War? The fact that people 50 years after the fact found it plausible is our best evidence? Because if we had any, you know, real evidence, I assume Mr. Sailer would have cited it.

    This is special pleading at its worst. Unless/until we have documented evidence of black-on-white rape after the Civil War, the idea that the Ku Klux Klan was defending white womanhood remains propaganda.

    Unless/until we have documented evidence…

    If such is offered, are you going to agree with the contention? I doubt it.

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    "If such is offered, are you going to agree with the contention? I doubt it."

    Provide some evidence and find out.
  160. bomag says:
    @Clyde
    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2016/07/14/cory-batey-faces-least-15-years-friday-sentencing/86953944/
    This is where I got a lot of my info. It seems they took down the video where you can hear but not see the rape victim speaking. She sounds broken from it all. She is credible.
    BUT
    youtube has a long video of Cory Batey Trial Sentencing 07/15/16. Rape victim speaks at 11 minutes in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdmAawCc1BI

    That was some difficult listening.

    I’m wondering if we are able to tabulate the costs of a Cory Batey.

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  161. unit472 says:

    I’m struck by the inconsistancy that, if a black man cannot get a fair trial by a white jury in Pennsylvania because of white racism we are supposed to believe that the same black man had consensual sex with one of those racist white women.

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    I’m struck by the inconsistancy that, if a black man cannot get a fair trial by a white jury in Pennsylvania because of white racism we are supposed to believe that the same black man had consensual sex with one of those racist white women.
     
    Nicely done. Bravo!
    , @David In TN
    Exactly. That's how you throw it right back at them.
  162. @Hidden Cat
    The Vanderbilt gang rapists were in full throttle and gloried in what they did, so much they video'd audio and still shot the night and sent them around to friends, including one guy in (iirc) Calfiornia who sent it all to the cloud. The case, which started out innocuously as a look at security film because of a break-in at the dorm, 2 decent detectives viewed the sec film and saw what they suspected - just from the hallway cameras - was a all night gang rape. They went to her to tell her what had happened.

    One of the most disugsting aspects, which reading between the lines was very clear to me, Vandenburg, the white BF of the victim, brought her back to the dorm as tribute to the dominate blacks. In particular, Corey Batey, the leader. The one who urinated on her and declared it pay back for slavery. From the moment I read that in The Tennessean, I followed the case.

    That victim also went thru two trials, originally Batey and Vandenburg had been tried together, found quilty and the case overturned on a technicality. The retrial was bifurcated and Batey went first. She got thru it AGAIN. He went down again. IIRC the sentencing was 20 years. I hope events occur in prison that lengthen that sentence. Double it.

    Speaking of the racial dynamics on SEC football teams, some years ago my brother was at an alumni function of a private school he used to teach at. He talked to a man who recently played (as a walk on) at an SEC school.

    This man said the players “were a bunch of thugs.” And “the only way to deal with them was to stand your ground and not back down.”

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  163. @Steve Sailer
    The two miscreants in the movie version of "Gone With the Wind" who try to grab Scarlett are an early multi-culti gang: one white, one black. The scene is murky because it's probably shot with that old-fashioned day-for-night filter to imply twilight, but it's clear that the first bad guy is white and the second bad guy is black.

    Thanks for mentioning this, indeed “an early multi-cult gang.”

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  164. Neoconned says:
    @Honorary Thief
    How long until the "hate the straight white cisgendered male" routine hits diminishing returns?

    I have no sympathy for mudsharks aka white girls with “jungle fever.”

    I messed around with a 20 yr old white girl who kept telling me she had been raped by several black guys and then I kept seeing her date them.

    They date them because they think black guys are hung.

    Or like this girl – she made a stupid decision by chasing this black dude in the 1st place. And now that she got burned she’s screaming for the taxpayer to come take Care of her baby and also for the taxpayer to pay a ton of cash to prosecute her ex to get even with him for daring to “spread” around to his trash friends.

    She brought this on herself. She expected the taxpayer to incarcerate these men and then pay tens of thousands per year to house and feed them.

    I’m tiring of this fast.

    Maybe it’s time if they date outside our race we “throw them out” and let treerhis thugs have her. I’m tired of this women lib shit.

    Time for women to learn to behave and stop acting like skanks or face social alienation among their fellow whites.

    Life isn’t fair. White women want the best of both worlds. They want Cadillac sized benefits from white men plus our protection but they want to slum it with the brothers.

    If theygo black, I say let them stay back.

    Really, that’s enough of that shit allready

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    Maybe it’s time if they date outside our race we “throw them out” and let treerhis thugs have her. I’m tired of this women lib shit.
     
    Alpha males don't throw their females to competitors; they crush these latter. You're right that we shouldn't tolerate this but perhaps not correct with respect to whom we should call on it first and most severely.
  165. Clyde says:
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?

    I used to believe that slave master = rapist bullshit. About the Massa (sic) and his sons going around raping the female slaves. Today I believe most of this white-black sex was consensual. Maybe 10-20% was rape. Was consensual as in the age old story of women trying to elevate themselves and their offspring by having sex with the big man, in this case the slave owner. Could be as simple as the pretty slave wanting to work inside (easy job) instead of outside in the hot fields. So she has sex with the owner’s son. She has a daughter or son by him and she moves up the plantation hierarchy. Everyone is happy.

    Bottom line is that 80% on up of the Caucasian component in today’s American blacks originates from consensual sex

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    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    Miscegenation was less common amongst slaves than amongst free blacks.
  166. Bee says:
    @reiner Tor
    The white ancestors of African Americans did have sex with (presumably their own) slaves, but how do you know it was rape? It's not impossible for example that black women (some of them, at any rate) actually strived to be noticed by their masters. For example Sally Hemings at least willingly returned from Paris, which indicates consent on her part. It wouldn't be unprecedented for women to consent to sexual relations with a high social status male.

    It’s difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as “consensual”… Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O’Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such “unions”. Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

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    • Replies: @5371
    [It’s difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as “consensual”]

    Why? Is it too long a word for you?
    , @guest
    Okay, let's say there cannot be any such thing as consent within the master-slave relationship. But why assume the genetic propensity to exploit slavery for sex has anything whatsoever to do with modern, violent black American rape? You can call both "rape," but that doesn't make them the same.
    , @reiner Tor
    Sally Hemmings, while in France, was no longer a slave. All she had to do was stay in France, and Jefferson had no way of forcing her to go with him. The French told Sally that much.

    But as to a broader point, it would actually be difficult to imagine that no black slave women did desire to have sex with their masters. Not even one?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Miscegenation was less common amongst slaves than amongst free blacks.
    , @Jefferson
    "Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry."

    Oprah Winfrey has 0 percent European ancestry. All of her Nonblack ancestry is Amerindian.
  167. “…to inspire a riotous disposition toward any and all injustice in this country (and abroad) and to promote the kind of honest confrontation that will galvanize our society toward healing and sustained systemic change.”

    Could somebody explain what this gobbledygook means?

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  168. @Anonymous
    And I would bet my bottom dollar that white on asian rape happens much more than asian on white rape.

    So let's lock up all white men!

    And you would be blowing smoke. Until Holder stopped publication of detailed racial breakdowns, published NCVS provided data on rapes broken down by race of victim and offender. One can calculate from these that a White woman was about 200 times more likely to be raped by a Negro man than a Negro woman was to be raped by a White man.

    The race breakdown for rape even then included only Negroes and Whites. The survey included too few rape incidents involving women of any other races to provide accurate data. You’ll have to go to your local library to check this out. The sources that were once readily available on the internet seem to have been scrubbed and I tossed out my old BJS reports many years ago when I stopped researching violent crime.

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  169. @anony-mouse
    '...Both feature scenes of attempted black-on-white rape and both feature white vigilantes taking revenge...'

    You are incorrect about GWTW. Here is that shanty town scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmn7sGTIGt8

    There is also a scene with a White Union deserter, as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett.

    I don't recall any Black on White violence in GWTW in keeping with Mitchell's idea that Blacks had been so well treated by Whites that there was no need to.

    Remember that the White overseer Wilkerson has illicit sex ---- with a White trash woman. Heavens that anyone would think...

    There are also no very light-skinned Blacks in the movie because, well, same.

    “….as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett.”

    Butler and Scarlet were married at the time. And the following scene shows Scarlet awakening the morning after in a very frisky mood.

    The attempted rape scene shows the white guy attempting to ravish Scarlet while the black guy never touches her. The book was more brutal and honest about the event. Hollywood chickened out.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "Butler and Scarlet were married at the time"

    Exactly, and though I can see why people want to call, for instance, beating your wife half to death in order to force sex rape, what did Rhett do? Carry her up the stairs? That's rape?

    Do contemporary audiences run a subsequent sequence in their heads, wherein Rhett holds a knife to Scarlett's throat in the bedroom? Or are they that brainwashed by feminism?
    , @Nico
    Hollywood had no choice in the matter; the Hays code forbade any depictions of miscegenation. The rationale of course was to avoid subverting then commonly-taught values. Ironically, showing this particular scene in full frontal would have had exactly the opposite effect.
  170. @Clyde
    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2016/07/14/cory-batey-faces-least-15-years-friday-sentencing/86953944/
    This is where I got a lot of my info. It seems they took down the video where you can hear but not see the rape victim speaking. She sounds broken from it all. She is credible.
    BUT
    youtube has a long video of Cory Batey Trial Sentencing 07/15/16. Rape victim speaks at 11 minutes in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdmAawCc1BI

    Thank you for that page…. packed full. IMO the judge was too lenient. It should have been the max but at least there is no parole from the 15 years, he has to serve the full – then sex offender for life. IIRC Vandenburg was charged with more … a couple more counts than Batey. And I see the two others are scheduled for trial and have declared themselves “not guilty”. I was afraid they might not go to trial.

    I am glad she raised the issue of a hate crime based on her skin color. I had read that TN does not have the hate crime statute… I dislike it – too close to “thought crime”, but I think lots of violent crimes could have extra charges of special circumstances, something similar to but greater than “depraved indifference”. Where you must serve the maximum or the special circumstances carry separate, extra time in prison.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    You are quite welcome. From the rape victims video. You can see Cory Batey looking on and quietly thinking. He is an intelligent young man who came from a good hard working mother. He carried his mother's dreams. He and his mother have apologized to the rape victim and her family. As he watches her testifying he is thinking, "what am I going to do to get through the next 15-25 years of prison?" "I know I have screwed up royally so how do I get past the next 15-25 years?"
    The fact that two black minsters have testified on his behalf means they already have been counseling him on this. How to behave in prison and get your sentence shortened a bit.

    I am not going to blame Cory Batey 100% because he was brought up right by his mother. I am going to blame the scummy, low-life rap culture that shaped part of his mind. Lets admit that this scummy rap culture and music is leading these black dupes around. Also Hollywood liberal filth like Quentin Tarantino with his Django Unchained as one example.

    This "The Birth of a Nation" (2016 film) too. This Nat Turner movie is about the birth of a black nation like the way BLM is carrying on now. Of course any black nation here in North America would do no better than any black African nation but no one cares.

  171. @Anonymous
    In David Horowitz's infamous anti-reparations ad printed in some motley collection of college student newspapers this was one of his bullet points, that every American descendant of a trans-Atlantic slave is better off than the descendants of the people left back in Africa; I was of two minds about it-- OT1H it's indisputably true, but if you're expressly trying to shoot down the reparations idea, in narrow parameters, it's not helpful. I'm a lot better off that the Black Plague killed a bunch of folks who would've competed with my ancestors for resources, if you wanna go "Star Trek" like that. Rather a bad debating point, as with the Republicans recently talking up the angle of HRC the ailing geezer harridan clutching bitterly to life, w/ bonus pseudo-medical gab.

    Not only is it not a bad debating point but it can be exploited for a further debating point: It’s the bruthas in Africa who are descendants of the people who originally enslaved you. You should be suing them for reparations. Better yet, why not demand repatriation and resettlement?

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  172. @Anon
    If you're female and you've reached college age without learning about high black crime rates, and if you're not utterly disgusted by ugly and aggressive lower-class black behavior and speech, and you decide you want to go hang out with a roomful of drunken black men, something is extremely wrong with you. A normal woman should have a danger alarm going off in her head.

    Women are more socially astute than men. This is genetically-based. A woman like the above has a serious flaw in her social IQ. She's isn't taking in the evidence of either her senses or statistics, and she's making a seriously stupid decision. I won't say she'll be getting what she deserves, but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn't be passing on her genes.

    Only one who has experienced first hand, the level of faux stupidity to which many Whites – men and women – in this country have been reduced can understand how badly their thought processes have been corrupted by prog propaganda. My sister is a middle-aged, highly educated, White professional, living in a city whose public schools are predominantly Negro and Hispanic. When her daughter – whose mind has been permanently warped by prog nonsense – demanded that she be allowed to attend the local high school rather than a private school, as her parents wished, her parents acquiesced.

    Just after her first semester ended, the kid had a nervous breakdown as a result of all the abuse she suffered and had to leave school. She required hospitalization and extensive therapy before she was able to return to a first class private school where she subsequently flourished. I’ve had some professional experience studying violence and sexual violence in particular and the kid has ever since seemed to me to display some symptoms similar to those experienced by survivors of sexual abuse. Both my sister and niece have ever since denied that race had anything to do with the problem and refuse to even discuss the possibility of sexual violence. They are in a pathological state of denial.

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    If said harassment were by nerdy White boys in the Chess Club, I somehow figure a big lawsuit against the school and perps families would be in the offing. Its not brainwashing, women have their own prejudices and slack they cut for men of different attitudes, races, aggressiveness, and so on.

    Regardless, this stuff will STOP to a large degree once big time lawsuits are launched against the perps and their enablers.

    IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.

    Again that will not end their careers anymore than Robert Blake or Woody Allen have ended their careers. But it will crimp them. And many victories are attrition not decisive battles of annihilation.

    Once organizations realize they are going to pay out substantial sums for enabling this harassment not to mention the rapes, they will avoid it -- imagine just a few multimillion settlements.
    , @Whiskey
    If said harassment were by nerdy White boys in the Chess Club, I somehow figure a big lawsuit against the school and perps families would be in the offing. Its not brainwashing, women have their own prejudices and slack they cut for men of different attitudes, races, aggressiveness, and so on.

    Regardless, this stuff will STOP to a large degree once big time lawsuits are launched against the perps and their enablers.

    IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.

    Again that will not end their careers anymore than Robert Blake or Woody Allen have ended their careers. But it will crimp them. And many victories are attrition not decisive battles of annihilation.

    Once organizations realize they are going to pay out substantial sums for enabling this harassment not to mention the rapes, they will avoid it -- imagine just a few multimillion settlements.
  173. @RonaldB

    And it’s also funny to read this on a web site full of intellectuals still wiping off the stinging tears from their brow re: The War of Northern Aggression
     
    If anyone has a clue to the point of the sentence, please let me know.

    I’m still trying to figure out how the “stinging tears” got to the “brow” from which they were wiped.

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  174. @Dr. X

    I’ve been following news of this movie for months now and it is truly astonishing to me that not a single person in the country seems to know or care what actually happened during Nat Turner’s “uprising”:

    “In the wee hours of Monday, August 22, 1831, a trusted family slave climbed through the window of his master’s house and unbarred the door for six companions armed with axes. The intruders proceeded to kill Joseph and Sally Travis, her twelve year son, and an apprentice boy, also twelve, hacking them to death in their beds. After leaving the house, they remembered a baby in a cradle and came back to kill him too. So began the greatest slave rebellion in American history.”

    Somehow, that don’t think that last bit is going to make it into Nate Parker’s version of the story.
     
    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth -- not at all unlike the Soviet Union? The "Official Story" is that innocent blacks everywhere are cowering in fear of white supremacists and nightriders of the KKK, out to torture and lynch them for sport. The reality is that blacks commit the lion's share of violent crime in this country, more than half the murders, and literally all the inter-racial rapes. Yet the propaganda machine tells us that it is a "racist myth" that blacks are sexually insatiable and violent.

    The Democratic Party is playing with racial fire by stoking black hatred of whites. The latest example is Milwaukee, where a black cop shot a black thug, and the black arsonists and street mobs wanted to kill whites on account of it. Someday they're going to provoke a national, coast-to-coast race war, and maybe then the scales will fall from white peoples' eyes -- probably too late.

    When are white people going to wake up and realize that we live under a regime that utilizes propaganda to create a false narrative and to displace truth — not at all unlike the Soviet Union?

    when the troskies were kicked out of the Soviet Union, guess where they went! to good old USA, and they came with a vengeance! Now, they hate you more than they hated Stalin, who kicked their ass, and evicted their rears out of their haven, the USSR. Since we ignore history, it is our fault for being so ignorant of their devices. Their mentor, Trotsky was hacked to death by a Spaniard sent by Stalin to Mexico for that very purpose. So now the so called neocons, otherwise known as Commies troskists are at their best, creating hate among people, dividing them and creating the environment where we end up fighting each other, while the Commies enjoy the spoils, as they have always done. We do need another Queen Isabella in the USA!

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  175. Thea says:
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    I think if we look deep enough there is rape in all family trees. Maybe we need a new word for it. Spreading human genetic diversity?

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    • Replies: @TCO94
    Rape makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. So do many other behaviors that are no longer accepted. The question is not what the motivation to rape is. The question is why the cultural taboo against rape sometimes fails to inhibit the behavior.
  176. 5371 says:
    @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

    [It’s difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as “consensual”]

    Why? Is it too long a word for you?

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  177. Sean says:
    @Bee
    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?

    You are unaware of the liberties that trusted black slaves were allowed to take with indentured white women servants in the early days of slavery. White women could be used to breed a slave, if the father was black .

    Even in the antebellum period South, free white women and girls if poor, had little chance of bringing a rape complaint against a black slave, who would be defended by a lawyer. Complainants were invariably accused of being prostitutes. (As were the complainants in the Scottsbro Boys case).

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  178. @bomag

    Unless/until we have documented evidence...
     
    If such is offered, are you going to agree with the contention? I doubt it.

    “If such is offered, are you going to agree with the contention? I doubt it.”

    Provide some evidence and find out.

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  179. @Hippopotamusdrome
    What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence.

    “What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence.”

    What is simply asserted may be simply denied. Provide the actual *evidence* that there were significant numbers of black-on-white rapes during the time period of “Birth of a Nation” and that this had anything to do with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. Quote the contemporary sources, not the imaginings of subsequent generations.

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    The author of The Clansman was born in 1864 in North Carolina. He's a contemporary.
  180. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    Does the rape of nanking ring a bell, or jap troops bayonating babies and pregnant women?

    What on earth are you talking about?

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  181. guest says:
    @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

    Okay, let’s say there cannot be any such thing as consent within the master-slave relationship. But why assume the genetic propensity to exploit slavery for sex has anything whatsoever to do with modern, violent black American rape? You can call both “rape,” but that doesn’t make them the same.

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  182. @Svigor


    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/
     
    I see. Ye olde Collective Guilt:

    Blacks enslave blacks (nobody cares) for thousands of years (nobody cares), sell some (nobody cares) to whites (uh oh).
    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).
    A hundred and fifty years later, blacks rape white who never owned slaves, as "revenge for slavery."
    [Put your guess here] years later, whites open up can of whup-ass on blacks who never raped any white girls, as "revenge for revenge for slavery."

    Hey, makes perfect sense.

    If someone’s enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy–and kill them. Works for me.
     
    Yes, dat baby in da crib and de womenfolk been enslavin'...

    “Payback” eh? The OJ jury used “jury nullification” to let off a double murderer. Same old…same old.

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  183. guest says:
    @Epaminondas
    "....as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett."

    Butler and Scarlet were married at the time. And the following scene shows Scarlet awakening the morning after in a very frisky mood.

    The attempted rape scene shows the white guy attempting to ravish Scarlet while the black guy never touches her. The book was more brutal and honest about the event. Hollywood chickened out.

    “Butler and Scarlet were married at the time”

    Exactly, and though I can see why people want to call, for instance, beating your wife half to death in order to force sex rape, what did Rhett do? Carry her up the stairs? That’s rape?

    Do contemporary audiences run a subsequent sequence in their heads, wherein Rhett holds a knife to Scarlett’s throat in the bedroom? Or are they that brainwashed by feminism?

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  184. @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

    Sally Hemmings, while in France, was no longer a slave. All she had to do was stay in France, and Jefferson had no way of forcing her to go with him. The French told Sally that much.

    But as to a broader point, it would actually be difficult to imagine that no black slave women did desire to have sex with their masters. Not even one?

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    Of course, the majority desired it. How many masters who wanted sex with them would insist on forcing one of the minority who didn't?
  185. syonredux says:
    @Svigor

    I’m an academic. Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students. And they use the exact same logic that I described upthread.

    So, it’s an argument, but one that only seems to work on the choir.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. Few (if any) arguments will cause True Believers to confess their sins on the spot. Too much ego invested, especially when one side is Officially Good, and the other Officially Bad. But they can plant seeds that may later sprout. Many is the argument that one's inner voice responds to with "wow, he got me there," while one's outer voice responds quite differently.

    You have no real way of tracking the long-term results, or of reading any thoughts at the time.

    IMO it's an effective argument, and it ties in well with the argument that whites do not drive (down) black outcomes; black outcomes are better in proximity to whites, not worse.

    So, rape in America in the 1960s and in South Africa post-Apartheid is the only evidence that “maybe” there was black-on-white rape after the Civil War? The fact that people 50 years after the fact found it plausible is our best evidence? Because if we had any, you know, real evidence, I assume Mr. Sailer would have cited it.
     
    You assume there's no evidence, because Sailer didn't cite any. That's some powerful sheeit there, my friend!

    This is special pleading at its worst.
     
    How so? You sure you're using that term properly? If so, show your math please.

    The safest (logically, not politically, of course) assumption is that blacks were roughly as rapey then as now, after correcting for general black criminal trends at the time (justice was swifter and much harsher at the time, even if investigation was far less robust, meaning there was probably greater deterrent then).

    Does the rape of nanking ring a bell, or jap troops bayonating babies and pregnant women?
     
    No, those do not ring the "yellow on white rape narrative" bell. Help me out here.

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees? (as pretty much every single African-American does). What is the human biodiversity take on that?
     
    Suuure. That's why rape doesn't happen in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Maybe, maybe not. Few (if any) arguments will cause True Believers to confess their sins on the spot. Too much ego invested, especially when one side is Officially Good, and the other Officially Bad. But they can plant seeds that may later sprout. Many is the argument that one’s inner voice responds to with “wow, he got me there,” while one’s outer voice responds quite differently.

    You have no real way of tracking the long-term results, or of reading any thoughts at the time.

    IMO it’s an effective argument, and it ties in well with the argument that whites do not drive (down) black outcomes; black outcomes are better in proximity to whites, not worse.

    Perhaps it does work with some people. However, I’ve never seen it get any headway on campus (admittedly, a unique environment). And SJWs on campus seem to positively relish hearing Whites use it, as it allows them to cut-and-paste from TN Coates articles on redlining for 20 minutes.

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  186. 5371 says:
    @reiner Tor
    Sally Hemmings, while in France, was no longer a slave. All she had to do was stay in France, and Jefferson had no way of forcing her to go with him. The French told Sally that much.

    But as to a broader point, it would actually be difficult to imagine that no black slave women did desire to have sex with their masters. Not even one?

    Of course, the majority desired it. How many masters who wanted sex with them would insist on forcing one of the minority who didn’t?

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  187. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students.
     
    What's your point?

    It's liberal (sic) whites who are driving the whole train. It's all some sort of deranged revenge fantasy to get back at the high school quarterback who got the girl they deserved.

    Tarantino et. al.

    Whenever I have seen a White student try to use that argument, he gets ripped apart. By Liberal White students.

    What’s your point?

    It’s liberal (sic) whites who are driving the whole train. It’s all some sort of deranged revenge fantasy to get back at the high school quarterback who got the girl they deserved.

    Tarantino et. al.

    My point is that it’s not an argument that works on White Liberals. Indeed, they seem to look forward to having it brought up. I’ve even seen them chuckle in response.

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  188. gbloco says:
    @Svigor


    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/
     
    I see. Ye olde Collective Guilt:

    Blacks enslave blacks (nobody cares) for thousands of years (nobody cares), sell some (nobody cares) to whites (uh oh).
    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).
    A hundred and fifty years later, blacks rape white who never owned slaves, as "revenge for slavery."
    [Put your guess here] years later, whites open up can of whup-ass on blacks who never raped any white girls, as "revenge for revenge for slavery."

    Hey, makes perfect sense.

    If someone’s enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy–and kill them. Works for me.
     
    Yes, dat baby in da crib and de womenfolk been enslavin'...

    Instead of 400 the average “holding period” was less than 100 years in British colonies and 150 in the United States

    You might also add “Whites lead the first successfully campaign for the abolition of slavery in human history including fighting a long and bloody civil war….”

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  189. annamaria says:
    @ScarletNumber
    I don't put this on my resume, but I think a drunk girl who says yes to one college athlete has waived her right to sympathy.

    You mean, if your sister or daughter got raped and kill herself you would first start assessing your feelings whether the girl deserves any sympathy? She died because of the organized harassment: “the identity of Parker and Celestin’s accuser was initially confidential.. but, according to the civil case, the wrestlers allegedly hired a private eye who splashed an enlarged photograph of Jennifer around campus so students could supply dirt on her. The wrestlers and their pals allegedly “constantly hurled sexual epithets” at Jennifer while trailing her on campus. They also made harassing phone calls to her dorm, the lawsuit claimed.”

    Would you dance on a grave of your harassed relative? Or there is something in the story that you found deeply satisfying?

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    "She died because of the organized harassment..."

    No. She died because she committed suicide.

    A woman I went to high school with 40 years ago recently committed suicide. I remember her as bright, pretty, popular and genuinely nice. Apparently she'd had a successful career and a loving daughter. Judging from the shock of her family and friends, I infer she was not terminally ill. But she'd fought clinical depression for years. Another classmate, bright and successful but with no family and having had a cancer likely to recur, also fought clinical depression. She's still alive and thriving. With arguably less to live for, she nevertheless found a reason and a way to live.

    Suicide is a response to internal things, not externals.
  190. annamaria says:
    @anon
    The girl was willing to testify again. She was willing to endure all that agony and grief again. Many rape victims are too ashamed and humiliated to even go to the police. That I think says a great deal.

    These two scoundrels, Parker and Celestin, should pay dearly for their crime. A lot of publicity will be quite helpful.

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  191. Nico says:
    @Neoconned
    I have no sympathy for mudsharks aka white girls with "jungle fever."

    I messed around with a 20 yr old white girl who kept telling me she had been raped by several black guys and then I kept seeing her date them.

    They date them because they think black guys are hung.

    Or like this girl - she made a stupid decision by chasing this black dude in the 1st place. And now that she got burned she's screaming for the taxpayer to come take Care of her baby and also for the taxpayer to pay a ton of cash to prosecute her ex to get even with him for daring to "spread" around to his trash friends.

    She brought this on herself. She expected the taxpayer to incarcerate these men and then pay tens of thousands per year to house and feed them.

    I'm tiring of this fast.

    Maybe it's time if they date outside our race we "throw them out" and let treerhis thugs have her. I'm tired of this women lib shit.

    Time for women to learn to behave and stop acting like skanks or face social alienation among their fellow whites.

    Life isn't fair. White women want the best of both worlds. They want Cadillac sized benefits from white men plus our protection but they want to slum it with the brothers.

    If theygo black, I say let them stay back.

    Really, that's enough of that shit allready

    Maybe it’s time if they date outside our race we “throw them out” and let treerhis thugs have her. I’m tired of this women lib shit.

    Alpha males don’t throw their females to competitors; they crush these latter. You’re right that we shouldn’t tolerate this but perhaps not correct with respect to whom we should call on it first and most severely.

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  192. Nico says:
    @Epaminondas
    "....as well as a scene where Butler forces his way with Scarlett."

    Butler and Scarlet were married at the time. And the following scene shows Scarlet awakening the morning after in a very frisky mood.

    The attempted rape scene shows the white guy attempting to ravish Scarlet while the black guy never touches her. The book was more brutal and honest about the event. Hollywood chickened out.

    Hollywood had no choice in the matter; the Hays code forbade any depictions of miscegenation. The rationale of course was to avoid subverting then commonly-taught values. Ironically, showing this particular scene in full frontal would have had exactly the opposite effect.

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  193. annamaria says:
    @Anon
    If you're female and you've reached college age without learning about high black crime rates, and if you're not utterly disgusted by ugly and aggressive lower-class black behavior and speech, and you decide you want to go hang out with a roomful of drunken black men, something is extremely wrong with you. A normal woman should have a danger alarm going off in her head.

    Women are more socially astute than men. This is genetically-based. A woman like the above has a serious flaw in her social IQ. She's isn't taking in the evidence of either her senses or statistics, and she's making a seriously stupid decision. I won't say she'll be getting what she deserves, but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn't be passing on her genes.

    “…but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn’t be passing on her genes.”
    She was a freshman – a young girl. And she suicided herself because of a shame – or rather because of the harassment organized by Parker and Celestin.
    Do you have any decency? – I doubt that you do.

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    Does the typical coed that decides to debase herself with drooling thugs while treating decent men from her own community like dirt? I doubt it.
  194. L Woods says:
    @annamaria
    "...but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn’t be passing on her genes."
    She was a freshman - a young girl. And she suicided herself because of a shame - or rather because of the harassment organized by Parker and Celestin.
    Do you have any decency? - I doubt that you do.

    Does the typical coed that decides to debase herself with drooling thugs while treating decent men from her own community like dirt? I doubt it.

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  195. annamaria says:
    @L Woods
    Does the typical coed that decides to debase herself with drooling thugs while treating decent men from her own community like dirt? I doubt it.

    Look for a definition of mensch.

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    I'm really not interested in preening myself on the moral high ground. The fruits of such a conceit are only to be laughed at and taken advantage of by both parties in this particular story.
  196. anon says: • Disclaimer

    As White people move towards minority status the media will increase their incitement of genocidal violence.

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  197. L Woods says:
    @annamaria
    Look for a definition of mensch.

    I’m really not interested in preening myself on the moral high ground. The fruits of such a conceit are only to be laughed at and taken advantage of by both parties in this particular story.

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  198. newrouter says:
    @Anonymous
    Saying anything against a judge, whoever it is you've drawn, is automatically moronic. It wouldn't make sense even if Curiel belonged to the No Donalds Clubhouse Society. Such aimless rich-jerk monologueing from personal pique into the national press's ears bespeaks a lack of self-control.

    >Saying anything against a judge, whoever it is you’ve drawn, is automatically moronic.<

    i like using alinsky against practitioners of alinsky.

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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Only one who has experienced first hand, the level of faux stupidity to which many Whites - men and women - in this country have been reduced can understand how badly their thought processes have been corrupted by prog propaganda. My sister is a middle-aged, highly educated, White professional, living in a city whose public schools are predominantly Negro and Hispanic. When her daughter - whose mind has been permanently warped by prog nonsense - demanded that she be allowed to attend the local high school rather than a private school, as her parents wished, her parents acquiesced.

    Just after her first semester ended, the kid had a nervous breakdown as a result of all the abuse she suffered and had to leave school. She required hospitalization and extensive therapy before she was able to return to a first class private school where she subsequently flourished. I've had some professional experience studying violence and sexual violence in particular and the kid has ever since seemed to me to display some symptoms similar to those experienced by survivors of sexual abuse. Both my sister and niece have ever since denied that race had anything to do with the problem and refuse to even discuss the possibility of sexual violence. They are in a pathological state of denial.

    If said harassment were by nerdy White boys in the Chess Club, I somehow figure a big lawsuit against the school and perps families would be in the offing. Its not brainwashing, women have their own prejudices and slack they cut for men of different attitudes, races, aggressiveness, and so on.

    Regardless, this stuff will STOP to a large degree once big time lawsuits are launched against the perps and their enablers.

    IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.

    Again that will not end their careers anymore than Robert Blake or Woody Allen have ended their careers. But it will crimp them. And many victories are attrition not decisive battles of annihilation.

    Once organizations realize they are going to pay out substantial sums for enabling this harassment not to mention the rapes, they will avoid it — imagine just a few multimillion settlements.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death."
    Agree.
  200. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Only one who has experienced first hand, the level of faux stupidity to which many Whites - men and women - in this country have been reduced can understand how badly their thought processes have been corrupted by prog propaganda. My sister is a middle-aged, highly educated, White professional, living in a city whose public schools are predominantly Negro and Hispanic. When her daughter - whose mind has been permanently warped by prog nonsense - demanded that she be allowed to attend the local high school rather than a private school, as her parents wished, her parents acquiesced.

    Just after her first semester ended, the kid had a nervous breakdown as a result of all the abuse she suffered and had to leave school. She required hospitalization and extensive therapy before she was able to return to a first class private school where she subsequently flourished. I've had some professional experience studying violence and sexual violence in particular and the kid has ever since seemed to me to display some symptoms similar to those experienced by survivors of sexual abuse. Both my sister and niece have ever since denied that race had anything to do with the problem and refuse to even discuss the possibility of sexual violence. They are in a pathological state of denial.

    If said harassment were by nerdy White boys in the Chess Club, I somehow figure a big lawsuit against the school and perps families would be in the offing. Its not brainwashing, women have their own prejudices and slack they cut for men of different attitudes, races, aggressiveness, and so on.

    Regardless, this stuff will STOP to a large degree once big time lawsuits are launched against the perps and their enablers.

    IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.

    Again that will not end their careers anymore than Robert Blake or Woody Allen have ended their careers. But it will crimp them. And many victories are attrition not decisive battles of annihilation.

    Once organizations realize they are going to pay out substantial sums for enabling this harassment not to mention the rapes, they will avoid it — imagine just a few multimillion settlements.

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  201. Alden says:
    @Tacitus2016
    Then we look at the South African experience. Still waiting for the Boer/Saxons to 'begin to hate'. Submission, fade away.

    One of many reasons I stopped reading amren was that someone was always posting that ridiculous Kipling poem
    “When the Saxon Begins to Hate”
    It was WW1 propaganda urging descendants of a few hundred thousand Saxon invaders of 500AD England to go off to the continent and fight real Saxony Germans.

    Even more ridiculous about posting that poem is that White Americabs have been a used harassed, victims of government aided and abetted black on White crime run out of half the jobs in the country because of affirmative action, on and on

    And all those fools who pride themselves on being founding stock Anglo Saxons have done nothing at all to resist their destruction since 1956 (school desegregation)

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  202. Marty T says:

    This was wrestling, but the vast majority of these incidents involve black football players. Will whites ever tire of worshipping groups composed mostly of increasingly militant blacks?

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    Will whites ever tire of worshipping groups composed mostly of increasingly militant blacks?
     
    The short answer is no. The leftist propaganda through the MSM, academia, and politicians (the trifecta of deceit) has completely brainwashed non discerning whites into afro american worship. Plus with our national entropy, people only want to surround themselves with mindless bread and circuses of entertainment & materialism.

    Unfortunately the only thing that will force us to stop this worshipping is the reality that our present economic/social course is unsustainable. In addition, radicalized afro americans believe everything today is a hardship (while we feed them the fat of the land). But if we suffer scarcity as a nation, which could force a situation of deep austerity, radicalized afro americans will want a race war. Then there will be two choices, under such circumstances, for the silly black worshiping whites: continue to worship and be killed or defend yourself (I can actually see a potential die off of silly black worshiping whites).

    Not such a pretty picture, but if we keep going in the direction of this trend line, then that is what it has strong potential to be! However our collective dysfunction seems completely unaware of any potential consequences. I pray that this will not happen, but this is like watching a slow motion crash that we are powerless to prevent.
  203. @unit472
    I'm struck by the inconsistancy that, if a black man cannot get a fair trial by a white jury in Pennsylvania because of white racism we are supposed to believe that the same black man had consensual sex with one of those racist white women.

    I’m struck by the inconsistancy that, if a black man cannot get a fair trial by a white jury in Pennsylvania because of white racism we are supposed to believe that the same black man had consensual sex with one of those racist white women.

    Nicely done. Bravo!

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  204. @For what it's worth
    "What about all the lynchings? They were mostly in reaction to rapes. Thats evidence."

    What is simply asserted may be simply denied. Provide the actual *evidence* that there were significant numbers of black-on-white rapes during the time period of "Birth of a Nation" and that this had anything to do with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. Quote the contemporary sources, not the imaginings of subsequent generations.

    The author of The Clansman was born in 1864 in North Carolina. He’s a contemporary.

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  205. @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

    Miscegenation was less common amongst slaves than amongst free blacks.

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  206. @Clyde

    BTW, is it possible that African-American rapists, rape, because they have white rapists in their family trees?
     
    I used to believe that slave master = rapist bullshit. About the Massa (sic) and his sons going around raping the female slaves. Today I believe most of this white-black sex was consensual. Maybe 10-20% was rape. Was consensual as in the age old story of women trying to elevate themselves and their offspring by having sex with the big man, in this case the slave owner. Could be as simple as the pretty slave wanting to work inside (easy job) instead of outside in the hot fields. So she has sex with the owner's son. She has a daughter or son by him and she moves up the plantation hierarchy. Everyone is happy.

    Bottom line is that 80% on up of the Caucasian component in today's American blacks originates from consensual sex

    Miscegenation was less common amongst slaves than amongst free blacks.

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  207. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous
    If said harassment were by nerdy White boys in the Chess Club, I somehow figure a big lawsuit against the school and perps families would be in the offing. Its not brainwashing, women have their own prejudices and slack they cut for men of different attitudes, races, aggressiveness, and so on.

    Regardless, this stuff will STOP to a large degree once big time lawsuits are launched against the perps and their enablers.

    IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.

    Again that will not end their careers anymore than Robert Blake or Woody Allen have ended their careers. But it will crimp them. And many victories are attrition not decisive battles of annihilation.

    Once organizations realize they are going to pay out substantial sums for enabling this harassment not to mention the rapes, they will avoid it -- imagine just a few multimillion settlements.

    “IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death.”
    Agree.

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    The Left loves Lawfare when it suits their purposes. They might think twice (naaah!) if it is turned against them and their pets. Though money would not be enough had it been my daughter.
  208. @unit472
    I'm struck by the inconsistancy that, if a black man cannot get a fair trial by a white jury in Pennsylvania because of white racism we are supposed to believe that the same black man had consensual sex with one of those racist white women.

    Exactly. That’s how you throw it right back at them.

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  209. Clyde says:
    @Hidden Cat
    Thank you for that page.... packed full. IMO the judge was too lenient. It should have been the max but at least there is no parole from the 15 years, he has to serve the full - then sex offender for life. IIRC Vandenburg was charged with more ... a couple more counts than Batey. And I see the two others are scheduled for trial and have declared themselves "not guilty". I was afraid they might not go to trial.

    I am glad she raised the issue of a hate crime based on her skin color. I had read that TN does not have the hate crime statute... I dislike it - too close to "thought crime", but I think lots of violent crimes could have extra charges of special circumstances, something similar to but greater than "depraved indifference". Where you must serve the maximum or the special circumstances carry separate, extra time in prison.

    You are quite welcome. From the rape victims video. You can see Cory Batey looking on and quietly thinking. He is an intelligent young man who came from a good hard working mother. He carried his mother’s dreams. He and his mother have apologized to the rape victim and her family. As he watches her testifying he is thinking, “what am I going to do to get through the next 15-25 years of prison?” “I know I have screwed up royally so how do I get past the next 15-25 years?”
    The fact that two black minsters have testified on his behalf means they already have been counseling him on this. How to behave in prison and get your sentence shortened a bit.

    I am not going to blame Cory Batey 100% because he was brought up right by his mother. I am going to blame the scummy, low-life rap culture that shaped part of his mind. Lets admit that this scummy rap culture and music is leading these black dupes around. Also Hollywood liberal filth like Quentin Tarantino with his Django Unchained as one example.

    This “The Birth of a Nation” (2016 film) too. This Nat Turner movie is about the birth of a black nation like the way BLM is carrying on now. Of course any black nation here in North America would do no better than any black African nation but no one cares.

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  210. joef says:
    @Marty T
    This was wrestling, but the vast majority of these incidents involve black football players. Will whites ever tire of worshipping groups composed mostly of increasingly militant blacks?

    Will whites ever tire of worshipping groups composed mostly of increasingly militant blacks?

    The short answer is no. The leftist propaganda through the MSM, academia, and politicians (the trifecta of deceit) has completely brainwashed non discerning whites into afro american worship. Plus with our national entropy, people only want to surround themselves with mindless bread and circuses of entertainment & materialism.

    Unfortunately the only thing that will force us to stop this worshipping is the reality that our present economic/social course is unsustainable. In addition, radicalized afro americans believe everything today is a hardship (while we feed them the fat of the land). But if we suffer scarcity as a nation, which could force a situation of deep austerity, radicalized afro americans will want a race war. Then there will be two choices, under such circumstances, for the silly black worshiping whites: continue to worship and be killed or defend yourself (I can actually see a potential die off of silly black worshiping whites).

    Not such a pretty picture, but if we keep going in the direction of this trend line, then that is what it has strong potential to be! However our collective dysfunction seems completely unaware of any potential consequences. I pray that this will not happen, but this is like watching a slow motion crash that we are powerless to prevent.

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  211. Warner says:

    Any chance the numbers $17.5 million, what Parker got for the movie, and $17,500, what the victim got in compensation are more than coincidence? I know Parker refused higher offers (because they were from less prestigious studious, apparently.)

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  212. Kylie says:
    @annamaria
    You mean, if your sister or daughter got raped and kill herself you would first start assessing your feelings whether the girl deserves any sympathy? She died because of the organized harassment: "the identity of Parker and Celestin’s accuser was initially confidential.. but, according to the civil case, the wrestlers allegedly hired a private eye who splashed an enlarged photograph of Jennifer around campus so students could supply dirt on her. The wrestlers and their pals allegedly “constantly hurled sexual epithets” at Jennifer while trailing her on campus. They also made harassing phone calls to her dorm, the lawsuit claimed."

    Would you dance on a grave of your harassed relative? Or there is something in the story that you found deeply satisfying?

    “She died because of the organized harassment…”

    No. She died because she committed suicide.

    A woman I went to high school with 40 years ago recently committed suicide. I remember her as bright, pretty, popular and genuinely nice. Apparently she’d had a successful career and a loving daughter. Judging from the shock of her family and friends, I infer she was not terminally ill. But she’d fought clinical depression for years. Another classmate, bright and successful but with no family and having had a cancer likely to recur, also fought clinical depression. She’s still alive and thriving. With arguably less to live for, she nevertheless found a reason and a way to live.

    Suicide is a response to internal things, not externals.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Is there no connection between the external and internal? Like, couldn't external events make an existing internal problem considerably worse? For all I know, external events might even create those internal problems in the first place. Did those German generals committing suicide in the Führerbunker have any internal problems prior to losing the war? Would they have had even a passing thought of suicide, had they won the war? Or if Hitler died in 1937 and there would've been no war at all?
    , @annamaria
    Basically you wrote that people make their decisions through mental processes in their personal brains. As a slight detour, do you really need to have personal experience to develop empathy? - Or that was the main point of your post?
  213. @Kylie
    "She died because of the organized harassment..."

    No. She died because she committed suicide.

    A woman I went to high school with 40 years ago recently committed suicide. I remember her as bright, pretty, popular and genuinely nice. Apparently she'd had a successful career and a loving daughter. Judging from the shock of her family and friends, I infer she was not terminally ill. But she'd fought clinical depression for years. Another classmate, bright and successful but with no family and having had a cancer likely to recur, also fought clinical depression. She's still alive and thriving. With arguably less to live for, she nevertheless found a reason and a way to live.

    Suicide is a response to internal things, not externals.

    Is there no connection between the external and internal? Like, couldn’t external events make an existing internal problem considerably worse? For all I know, external events might even create those internal problems in the first place. Did those German generals committing suicide in the Führerbunker have any internal problems prior to losing the war? Would they have had even a passing thought of suicide, had they won the war? Or if Hitler died in 1937 and there would’ve been no war at all?

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  214. annamaria says:
    @Kylie
    "She died because of the organized harassment..."

    No. She died because she committed suicide.

    A woman I went to high school with 40 years ago recently committed suicide. I remember her as bright, pretty, popular and genuinely nice. Apparently she'd had a successful career and a loving daughter. Judging from the shock of her family and friends, I infer she was not terminally ill. But she'd fought clinical depression for years. Another classmate, bright and successful but with no family and having had a cancer likely to recur, also fought clinical depression. She's still alive and thriving. With arguably less to live for, she nevertheless found a reason and a way to live.

    Suicide is a response to internal things, not externals.

    Basically you wrote that people make their decisions through mental processes in their personal brains. As a slight detour, do you really need to have personal experience to develop empathy? – Or that was the main point of your post?

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  215. TCO94 says:
    @joef
    It all comes down to this: It does not matter what skin color that afro americans are, and it does not really matter about how smart they are regarding the racial realist Bell Curve theory about low IQs.

    The real problems are:
    - - Leftist pandering to afro americans that cause two primary effects: blaming whitey for everything, and affirmative action that provides them positions that they are not truly qualified for (barring any individual Black achievement to the contrary).
    - - And afro american anti social violent actions.

    In regards to afro americans, and their low IQ, that is not a primary problem that is contributing to our current chaos. Its their antisocial behavior, and constant demands for a free lunch (that is placing undue economic burden upon the nation) that are the primary factors. If they were not behaving with an antisocial blame whitey entitlement attitude, I would not care how smart or stupid they are. IQ may contribute, but it is actually the racial animosity, and social/economic decline, that will eventually do us in.

    If we could eliminate the antisocial behavior and leftist pandering, then we probably could steer low IQ individuals to productive outputs instead of what we have now. Unfortunately with leftist interference in promoting afro american dysfunctional behavior patterns, this is not going to happen.

    But as it is now: racial balkanization plus economic decline is a very bad formula for the stability of this country (or any society). And sticking our collective heads in the sand hoping it will all get better is not an effective strategy for national prosperity.

    Excellent comment. The problems of the black community are made so much worse by the political far left, who are mostly white, supplying some gullible blacks with the scapegoat of white racism. Maybe it is because other groups don’t have an arm of the academy supplying them with excuses that they have been more successful in improving their lots. It really is not helping. Also not helping is the push to have less thorough policing. The increased policing has been effective in lowering crime rates. This has benefited blacks who are the most common victims of black perpetrated crime. But the impact on criminal convictions has been disparate. So there is a push to reduce the intensity of policing in black majority areas. If it could be intensified even more then crime rates would fall even lower and many would give up crime as pointless. That would further benefit blacks. But it seems now that it will swing back in the direction of less intense policing and increasing crime rates.

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    I agree. Its like we want to return to the failed urban policies of the 1970s with high crime, bankrupt cities, and crumbling infrastructure.
    However I believe the over reliance on the police to contain afro american crime was destined for failure. When the courts failed to do their job properly by giving adequate prison sentencing to convicted violent felons, all the onus fell upon the police to keep crime at manageable levels. Thus in the urban centers, aggressive policing was used to keep a lid on the criminal chaos that plagued our cities. Since aggressive policing is not pretty, faint hearted whites, who are not very street smart, could not handle it. Thus we have the political overreaction against it that we have today. Once this Ferguson effect becomes ingrained in urban policing, it probably will not go away, and cities will deteriorate rather quickly.

    There are really very few options to handle this radical afro american mess:
    - - change their hearts & minds (which will never be allowed to happen by the leftist establishment);
    - - have real prison sentencing for hardened recidivist violent offenders, to keep them from committing their acts of violence against society at large (again the leftist will not allow this);
    - - aggressive urban policing (which now due the ferguson effect, city cops will avoid doing by following their rational self interest).
    I am afraid the only aggressive policing you will see is in suburban small towns where they will increase summons quotas, road blocks, and stop & seize, against working citizens, in order to raise govt revenue (and the unfortunate consequences of this is that urban police will lose further support as a result).

  216. TCO94 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'm still trying to figure out how the "stinging tears" got to the "brow" from which they were wiped.

    They were doing a handstand. Obviously.

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  217. TCO94 says:
    @Thea
    I think if we look deep enough there is rape in all family trees. Maybe we need a new word for it. Spreading human genetic diversity?

    Rape makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. So do many other behaviors that are no longer accepted. The question is not what the motivation to rape is. The question is why the cultural taboo against rape sometimes fails to inhibit the behavior.

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    That's not true.

    No, rape doesn't make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.

    Most female animals , from chickens to tigers, can choose freely amongst the "fittest" males, while male animals fight themselves out to get ahead in the mating game instead of just raping the females.

    In human world, mass rapes have been associated with celebration of defeating apposing competing groups by humiliating their women - that's nothing evolutionary.

    The answer lies in MSM's sick and massive influence on contemprary culture worldwide. Since wordlwide avg IQ is about 90, it's not hard at all to lead the world's "popular" rankings. Once a thing is deemed "popular" or "hot"/ "cool" by the average mass, even the high IQ minorities have to adapt to the mass effect to order to "fit in", unconciously sometimes.

    Let alone rapes, enough media propanganda can let women (including high IQ alpha women) marry pigs and feel genuinely proud of being raped.

    Think about it, just for the starter, the only songs that worldwide youths listen to nowadays in about every schools, night clubs, and weekend parties worldwide and associate themselves with the "hottest" and "coolest" fashion on earth are retarded and humiliating gangster raps! It's sick to say the least.
  218. @annamaria
    "IMHO the survivors of the victim owe it to her and to avoid future victims to sue both perps, the University, and for that matter Fox Searchlight for enabling and depicting race-based sexual harassment and violence. And allege directly that the perps harassment led to the trauma that caused her death."
    Agree.

    The Left loves Lawfare when it suits their purposes. They might think twice (naaah!) if it is turned against them and their pets. Though money would not be enough had it been my daughter.

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  219. joef says:
    @TCO94
    Excellent comment. The problems of the black community are made so much worse by the political far left, who are mostly white, supplying some gullible blacks with the scapegoat of white racism. Maybe it is because other groups don't have an arm of the academy supplying them with excuses that they have been more successful in improving their lots. It really is not helping. Also not helping is the push to have less thorough policing. The increased policing has been effective in lowering crime rates. This has benefited blacks who are the most common victims of black perpetrated crime. But the impact on criminal convictions has been disparate. So there is a push to reduce the intensity of policing in black majority areas. If it could be intensified even more then crime rates would fall even lower and many would give up crime as pointless. That would further benefit blacks. But it seems now that it will swing back in the direction of less intense policing and increasing crime rates.

    I agree. Its like we want to return to the failed urban policies of the 1970s with high crime, bankrupt cities, and crumbling infrastructure.
    However I believe the over reliance on the police to contain afro american crime was destined for failure. When the courts failed to do their job properly by giving adequate prison sentencing to convicted violent felons, all the onus fell upon the police to keep crime at manageable levels. Thus in the urban centers, aggressive policing was used to keep a lid on the criminal chaos that plagued our cities. Since aggressive policing is not pretty, faint hearted whites, who are not very street smart, could not handle it. Thus we have the political overreaction against it that we have today. Once this Ferguson effect becomes ingrained in urban policing, it probably will not go away, and cities will deteriorate rather quickly.

    There are really very few options to handle this radical afro american mess:
    - – change their hearts & minds (which will never be allowed to happen by the leftist establishment);
    - – have real prison sentencing for hardened recidivist violent offenders, to keep them from committing their acts of violence against society at large (again the leftist will not allow this);
    - – aggressive urban policing (which now due the ferguson effect, city cops will avoid doing by following their rational self interest).
    I am afraid the only aggressive policing you will see is in suburban small towns where they will increase summons quotas, road blocks, and stop & seize, against working citizens, in order to raise govt revenue (and the unfortunate consequences of this is that urban police will lose further support as a result).

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  220. Dissident says:
    @iffen
    hatred of the straight white male bad guys

    I'm glad we don't have to get into non-straight white male bad guys at Penn State.

    Buggery is thuggery.*

    *Graphic content

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  221. @TCO94
    Rape makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. So do many other behaviors that are no longer accepted. The question is not what the motivation to rape is. The question is why the cultural taboo against rape sometimes fails to inhibit the behavior.

    That’s not true.

    No, rape doesn’t make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.

    Most female animals , from chickens to tigers, can choose freely amongst the “fittest” males, while male animals fight themselves out to get ahead in the mating game instead of just raping the females.

    In human world, mass rapes have been associated with celebration of defeating apposing competing groups by humiliating their women – that’s nothing evolutionary.

    The answer lies in MSM’s sick and massive influence on contemprary culture worldwide. Since wordlwide avg IQ is about 90, it’s not hard at all to lead the world’s “popular” rankings. Once a thing is deemed “popular” or “hot”/ “cool” by the average mass, even the high IQ minorities have to adapt to the mass effect to order to “fit in”, unconciously sometimes.

    Let alone rapes, enough media propanganda can let women (including high IQ alpha women) marry pigs and feel genuinely proud of being raped.

    Think about it, just for the starter, the only songs that worldwide youths listen to nowadays in about every schools, night clubs, and weekend parties worldwide and associate themselves with the “hottest” and “coolest” fashion on earth are retarded and humiliating gangster raps! It’s sick to say the least.

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    No, rape doesn’t make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.
     
    That's false.
  222. @PandaAtWar
    That's not true.

    No, rape doesn't make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.

    Most female animals , from chickens to tigers, can choose freely amongst the "fittest" males, while male animals fight themselves out to get ahead in the mating game instead of just raping the females.

    In human world, mass rapes have been associated with celebration of defeating apposing competing groups by humiliating their women - that's nothing evolutionary.

    The answer lies in MSM's sick and massive influence on contemprary culture worldwide. Since wordlwide avg IQ is about 90, it's not hard at all to lead the world's "popular" rankings. Once a thing is deemed "popular" or "hot"/ "cool" by the average mass, even the high IQ minorities have to adapt to the mass effect to order to "fit in", unconciously sometimes.

    Let alone rapes, enough media propanganda can let women (including high IQ alpha women) marry pigs and feel genuinely proud of being raped.

    Think about it, just for the starter, the only songs that worldwide youths listen to nowadays in about every schools, night clubs, and weekend parties worldwide and associate themselves with the "hottest" and "coolest" fashion on earth are retarded and humiliating gangster raps! It's sick to say the least.

    No, rape doesn’t make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.

    That’s false.

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    What is "that"? lol

    You can go back to the standard retarded textbook an be a good Mami boy.
  223. @Svigor


    Report: Vanderbilt Football Rape Was Payback For ‘400 Years Of Slavery’

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/18/report-vanderbilt-football-rape-was-payback-for-400-years-of-slavery/
     
    I see. Ye olde Collective Guilt:

    Blacks enslave blacks (nobody cares) for thousands of years (nobody cares), sell some (nobody cares) to whites (uh oh).
    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).
    A hundred and fifty years later, blacks rape white who never owned slaves, as "revenge for slavery."
    [Put your guess here] years later, whites open up can of whup-ass on blacks who never raped any white girls, as "revenge for revenge for slavery."

    Hey, makes perfect sense.

    If someone’s enslaving you, you have the right to be a little crazy–and kill them. Works for me.
     
    Yes, dat baby in da crib and de womenfolk been enslavin'...

    Whites keep the slaves for 400 years (holocaust, because YT rich w/conscience), then free them (nobody cares).

    1865 – 1619 = 246.

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  224. @reiner Tor

    No, rape doesn’t make any sense from the evolutionary standpoint, not even in normal animal world.
     
    That's false.

    What is “that”? lol

    You can go back to the standard retarded textbook an be a good Mami boy.

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    • Replies: @L Woods
    Take your meds.
    , @reiner Tor
    Rape does make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Sure, it's "cheating", but with animals where the males fight it out among themselves, it's not even possible: the females "choose" to have sex with the only guy left standing at the end of the fight, who happens to be the strongest, too. Outside mating season there's nobody to rape, and during mating season all the males are around the females, so you have to fight them first.

    With many animals, however, rape is indeed possible, and has been observed.
  225. L Woods says:
    @PandaAtWar
    What is "that"? lol

    You can go back to the standard retarded textbook an be a good Mami boy.

    Take your meds.

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  226. @PandaAtWar
    What is "that"? lol

    You can go back to the standard retarded textbook an be a good Mami boy.

    Rape does make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Sure, it’s “cheating”, but with animals where the males fight it out among themselves, it’s not even possible: the females “choose” to have sex with the only guy left standing at the end of the fight, who happens to be the strongest, too. Outside mating season there’s nobody to rape, and during mating season all the males are around the females, so you have to fight them first.

    With many animals, however, rape is indeed possible, and has been observed.

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  227. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    If you're female and you've reached college age without learning about high black crime rates, and if you're not utterly disgusted by ugly and aggressive lower-class black behavior and speech, and you decide you want to go hang out with a roomful of drunken black men, something is extremely wrong with you. A normal woman should have a danger alarm going off in her head.

    Women are more socially astute than men. This is genetically-based. A woman like the above has a serious flaw in her social IQ. She's isn't taking in the evidence of either her senses or statistics, and she's making a seriously stupid decision. I won't say she'll be getting what she deserves, but in a Darwinian sense, she shouldn't be passing on her genes.

    Maybe she was counting on her “boyfriend” to protect her…

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  228. Jefferson says:
    @Bee
    It's difficult to refer to relationships between white slave owners and their black women slaves as "consensual"... Doing so is the equivalent of what Bill O'Reilly said about the building of the White House.

    It is true that just about every African-American is descended from not one but several such "unions". Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.

    “Just about no African-American has 0% European ancestry.”

    Oprah Winfrey has 0 percent European ancestry. All of her Nonblack ancestry is Amerindian.

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  229. @Pat Hannagan
    I don't understand your reticence to post this comment. It is on topic, in fact more on topic than the post itself. If there is one thing that has gone universal beyond American sports it is American Porn.

    The subject, and the subject matter, is distasteful but is a subject that must be dealt with. It is more ubiquitous than ESPN and the EPL.

    Is it one of those nature vs nurture showdowns? Then let's put a line with the launch of internet porn vs rape statistics pre and post.

    My question was rhetorical as everyone knows Blacks on Jews is akin to ovens and Blacks on Whites is de rigueur and if you don't like it turn it off. There is a disconcerting focus on this blog towards genetics that refuses to see social forces readily observed.

    How can anyone miss the impact of online porn?

    You think negroes come up with these ideas themselves?

    has anyone ever seen a Blacks on Jews porn site type, or even some porn themed site where Jews are the delineated subject of gang rape?

    Interesting. I’ve thought for a while now that the gangporn promotion/fascination is a kind of conditioning. A psy-ops to promote a limbic response, rather than sympathy, to white victims of black rape.

    But no, no explicitly Jewish (qua Jewish) subjects of gang rape pornography. No coincidence I’m sure with the vast majority of studios being Jewish-owned and distributed.

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