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From Variety:

“To just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables,’” Clinton said, according to a recording of her remarks obtained by Variety. “Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive, hateful *, mean-spirited rhetoric. Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.”

… We’re gonna need a bigger basket …

* I point out the “hateful” / “hate-filled” conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump’s tweets:

- We deplore Trump’s tweets because they are “hate-filled.” (I.e., We deplore Trump’s ideas because they are full of hate.)

- We deplore them because they are hateful. (I.e., We are full of hate toward Trump’s ideas.)

If you asked Hillary and her supporters which they mean, they would say the former.

And yet they so often say the latter.

Freud called it a “slip.”

Speaking of Basket Cases …

 
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  1. It’s like a hybrid cross of Mitt’s “47%” with “Binders full of women”

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  2. She’ll rue that.

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  3. Denouncing what… 20% at least of the electorate?

    A very deplorable strategy.

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    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    "Deplorable" is, if anything, an understatement. "Stupid" is more like it. And that 20% number is a tad low I think.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    They (via Mrs. Clinton and every other megaphone) are getting closer and closer to denouncing White America, in other words America and by extension Civilization.

    They are destroying their host.
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  4. All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers. It’s what makes Left-lib-progs the insufferable schmucks that they are.

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    • Replies: @SMK
    A "racist" is anyone, especially a white male, who criticizes and tells the truth about blacks as a group (pandemic criminality, black-on-white violence, anti-white hatred, delusional and irrational, average black IQ, etc.) or as individuals (e.g., Obama, Holder," the Rev. Al," Colin K., ad infinitum, ad nauseum). A "sexist" is anyone, especially a white male, who realizes that men and women and boys and girls are innately different in profound and significant ways and who criticizes and opposes much or most of the feminist agendum and it's dystopian and repressive ukases and policies. A "xenophobe" is anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about post-1965 mass-immigration, the invasion of tens of millions of legal and illegal aliens from the third-world that will soon turn the United States into an nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority. An "Islamophobe" is anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about Islam and it's barbarism, medievalism, terrorism, misogyny, etc., and who opposes an invasion of Muslims that will ultimately destroy France, England, Germany, Sweden, etc., and further harm the U.S., Canada, Australia, etc. But Muslim savages who enslave and torture and rape and molest women and girls in these nations are not "sexists" and "misogynists" and those who commit acts of terrorism are not "haters" and "bigots." Being aspersed by such "isms" and "phobes" by Hillary and her ilk in politics and the MSM is a supreme compliment.
    , @Clyde

    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers
     
    Brainwashing the sheeple via repetition. Crude, stupid and effective sometimes. Until the sheeple get pissed off at having their intelligence insulted.
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  5. God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder

    Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.
     
    Rumors? Rumors? Gosh, one only has to look at the woman, and her public symptoms, and how she avoids press conferences and live TV whenever possible, and her unexplained delays at the debates and before her alt-right speech. That'll tell you there's more to this than just rumors.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Nah the coughing is just when she gets too many bugs stuck to her tongue and it rolls up a bit funny. She'll stop doing it in November, there's no flies about.
    , @rod1963
    More than true, it's quite obvious.

    I know women in their 60's who take care of themselves, they don't look like s**t the way Hillary does or move like her.

    From the looks of it, she's pretty sick. She's so fat, she probably needs a CPAP machine to sleep at night. Really you guys think that carrying 100lbs of excess lard on her frame is healthy for her at her age, it's not.

    If she isn't in the beginning stages of diabetes I'd be shocked.

    Hypertension is a given with her bloat.

    She has a doctor/medic shadowing her with a Epipen of all things.

    Then there is that cough that doesn't stop.

    The size of her calves/ankles is worrisome. It's never a good sign. BTW she didn't have it during the 90's and up to 2000.
    , @Lex Corvus
    Hillary is definitely in poor health. The easiest way to tell is to watch her infamous "pickle jar" appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.

    After some opening banter, Kimmel asks Hillary point-blank, "Are you in good health?" She could have responded, "Yes, I am in excellent health. These rumors are completely false." Instead, what follows is over a minute of obfuscation and misdirection, and she never answers the question.

    For a politician as experienced as Hillary, there is no way this is an accident.

    (Even world-class liars will avoid telling a direct lie if it's possible to avoid it, because it gives them more wiggle room later on. See, e.g., Bill "my answers were legally accurate" Clinton.)
    , @artichoke
    Head bobbing. Trouble getting up stairs. Expelling two large green objects into a glass of water (but they may have been sound pickups, that's my spy theory about them.)

    I am surprised she's been as energetic as she has the past few days, with no coughing, no head bobbing, etc. Of course she's sick.
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  6. Wasn’t “basket of deplorables” what they called the part of slave ships where the slaves were kept like sardines? Unbelievable that she would revive that vile language in 2016!

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  7. I guess I’m in that basket of deplorables. You know, one of those racists who wants his daughter to grow up in the same country he grew up in and not a third world nightmare.

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    • Replies: @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

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    Chertoff. Isn't he the guy who now works for the full body scanner company? What a mess we have.
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  9. @Percy Gryce
    God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    Rumors? Rumors? Gosh, one only has to look at the woman, and her public symptoms, and how she avoids press conferences and live TV whenever possible, and her unexplained delays at the debates and before her alt-right speech. That’ll tell you there’s more to this than just rumors.

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  10. She’s half popped. Not that I am in position to judge.

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  11. What I want to know is will there be any reward for turning you in. Steve ?

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  12. Hey, fellow Deplorables, glad to be in the ship with you. Go Trump!

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  13. So when Trump makes observations about illegal immigrants not being Mexico’s best, he’s a racist. Now Hillary’s calling Trump supporters racists, rapists, homophobes…???

    Of course nobody with a microphone in the media will protest this insult.

    Time to insult Hillary’s supporters….

    Democrats used to be a party for the working class.
    Now it’s more the not interested in really working class…..

    Non-Taxpayers and eaters of every stripe and shade….

    Sluts who demand free birth control pills….

    Cretins who who’ve been on the dole for generations….

    Race hustlers who have taken advantage of the productive majority’s good will and make a living by extortion….

    Lazy bums who are too shiftless to show a photo ID in order to vote that would otherwise be required to get a tax-paying job or open bank account….

    And of course people who aren’t even citizens or entitled to vote….

    What else? Help me complete the list!

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Blacks who want the right to murder police and nonblacks in general without consequence.
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    Plus, the parasites who populate the "Diversity industry" in in the increasingly moribund academic world, you know, the Vice Presidents for Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity.
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  14. I’ve said it before, and I guarantee I will say it again:

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    The die is cast, the game is afoot.

    What a time to be alive.

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    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    We white men may be a race of super-villains - but at least we're super!
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.
     
    Anyone who would count the dishonest Decepticons we face as good is evil.

    Don't concede the commanding heights of morality. But if you do, count me out. I won't sign on to "content himself with evil." Because, what profitith it a man ...
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  15. “bitter clingers”, “basket of deplorables” — left politicians can’t even hide their contempt for the people anymore — although at least Obama was caught expressing his disdain in what he thought was a private meeting with supporters. Hillary had no such expectation, and, no doubt with the entitlement that defines her, couldn’t hide her frustration with those evil people who wouldn’t vote for her.

    And now, worse, we’re going to have to hear from Hillary’s supporters across all media as to why this was an absolutely correct and fair thing to say.

    Of course Trump and his campaign will make considerable hay out this, as they should.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    A year ago I predicted that condescending and insulting Trump supporters would backfire. In general, no one wants to be told they are a "basket of deplorables."

    The nail in the coffin for Hillary (and Obama's reputation, now) is the latest news that O will veto the 9/11 families wanting to sue Saudi Arabia. This is now "a bridge too far" for the families, but also Obama....but for different reasons. I will enjoy watching them pontificate to these families about how they are so wrong and small-minded. It's too funny to even believe.

    I am enjoying all these SJW's/MSM, supporters of these liars, scoundrels and grifters in the Democratic and Republican parties getting owned by the people who they have been hating-on for so long. Republicans , who are anti-Trump, will get their asses handed to them by the people in their state that they not only betrayed, but condescended to. If there is one thing all people remember, it is being slighted, dismissed, condescended to - duh, I know :) Let people vote: present your ideas and then accept the decision of the American people.

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  16. So roughly a quarter of Americans, by her math, are no longer part of America. It just so happens that they’re the pre-Civil War stock.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    and trump wins the white vote pretty substantially so she's basically saying the views of one third of white people are beyond the pale. I'm surprised it's that low.
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  17. She probably thought she was being safe by calling just half of Trump supporters deplorable, because you know she despises each and every one of them. Hell, she can barely pretend to like her own supporters for just a few minutes at a time before returning to another liquor-fueled soirée with celebrities and Rothschilds.

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  18. @Percy Gryce
    God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    Nah the coughing is just when she gets too many bugs stuck to her tongue and it rolls up a bit funny. She’ll stop doing it in November, there’s no flies about.

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    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    I think she coughs on purpose because there is more intellectual in the coughing than in anything she says.
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  19. Deplorables- No one does condescension like a liberal/lefty/commie true believer. Obama is a fey passive-aggressive master at this and now La Hillary.
    Please notice that Donald Trump has never come close to making such a sweeping generalization about Hilary’s supporters or any group in America. I think trannys and their liberal fellow travelers who beat up on states like North Carolina are deplorable and deranged. DJT may think the same but he is not going to come out publicly and say so.

    Remember how in 2012 Mitt Romney was assaulted by the stooge media for his remarks at a private fundraiser about 48% of Americans being on the gov’t tit? Therefor nearly impossible for a Republican to get their votes. Nothing will happen to Hillary for her similar remarks.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Deplorables- No one does condescension like a liberal/lefty/commie true believer.
     
    Don’t blame her, she’s just quoting our host. (Just messin’ witcha, Steve!)

    I wanna, I wanna be deplored …
    , @AndrewR
    The NC law was outrageous and you look extremely foolish for implying that opposition to it was "beating up" on NC.
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  20. @BenKenobi
    I've said it before, and I guarantee I will say it again:

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    The die is cast, the game is afoot.

    What a time to be alive.

    We white men may be a race of super-villains – but at least we’re super!

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  21. If Hillary wants to Satanize us Albionic Americans, she’s asked for more trouble than she bargained for:

    So farewel Hope, and with Hope farewel Fear,
    Farewel Remorse: all Good to me is lost;
    Evil be thou my Good

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    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Yeah....

    My thoughts exactly.

    But.....I think many rank and file leftists are simply senile and/or dumb, and they don't pay attention to, or understand changing trends. I have several very liberal in-laws in their late 50s/early 60s, and they constantly post attacks on Republicans on social media, and the straw-men they have created sound straight out of 2003.

    Maybe Hillary is like them, and she thinks the average Trump supporter is some more redneck version of Ned Flanders? In which case she believes the "thou are evil" shaming will A. work on some of them, make them question their support, & B. still won't stand a chance of getting them to embrace the "evil."

    Liberals are kind of playing with fire on this, especially as more whites move away from the teachings of traditional Christianity.
    , @candid_observer
    That's got to be Satan in Paradise Lost, right?

    I love that guy.
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  22. @candid_observer
    "bitter clingers", "basket of deplorables" -- left politicians can't even hide their contempt for the people anymore -- although at least Obama was caught expressing his disdain in what he thought was a private meeting with supporters. Hillary had no such expectation, and, no doubt with the entitlement that defines her, couldn't hide her frustration with those evil people who wouldn't vote for her.

    And now, worse, we're going to have to hear from Hillary's supporters across all media as to why this was an absolutely correct and fair thing to say.

    Of course Trump and his campaign will make considerable hay out this, as they should.

    A year ago I predicted that condescending and insulting Trump supporters would backfire. In general, no one wants to be told they are a “basket of deplorables.”

    The nail in the coffin for Hillary (and Obama’s reputation, now) is the latest news that O will veto the 9/11 families wanting to sue Saudi Arabia. This is now “a bridge too far” for the families, but also Obama….but for different reasons. I will enjoy watching them pontificate to these families about how they are so wrong and small-minded. It’s too funny to even believe.

    I am enjoying all these SJW’s/MSM, supporters of these liars, scoundrels and grifters in the Democratic and Republican parties getting owned by the people who they have been hating-on for so long. Republicans , who are anti-Trump, will get their asses handed to them by the people in their state that they not only betrayed, but condescended to. If there is one thing all people remember, it is being slighted, dismissed, condescended to – duh, I know :) Let people vote: present your ideas and then accept the decision of the American people.

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  23. It’s clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

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    Equally interesting is that sizable (but smaller) portions of other candidates supporters are aware of HateFacts.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Only half?
    , @Jefferson
    "Half of Trump supporters believe that black people are more violent than white people."

    Is there any evidence they are not? Name one majority White city of similar population size as Chicago that have surpassed over 500 homicides so far this year.

    Rome for example has over 2 million people just like Chicago, yet Rome averages nowhere near 500 murders a year.
    , @AndrewR
    How could any honest person claim otherwise?
    , @415 reasons
    This is truly best understood as a metric for swallowing PC orthodoxy about the impact of "systematic discrimination" and the tabula rasa without questioning it because there are publicly available statistics about African American educational outcomes, unemployment rates, crime rates, incarceration rates and murder rates that most Americans should be aware of the broad strokes of.

    Like, most Americans should be aware from the NYT that blacks are more involved with the criminal justice system than other races. So asking if they are "more criminal" is asking, implicitly, for your explanation of whether that is because they commit more crimes or our racist society arrests them more even though they commit crimes at an identical rate, or, perhaps, because they commit crimes at a higher rate due to the effects of systematic racism.
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  24. https://mobile.twitter.com/kausmickey/status/774446918864740352

    [N.B.: When comparing time stamps, remember that Unz.com runs several minutes slow!]

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  25. “Basket of Deplorables:” Now That Would be a Good Name for a Band

    Yes — that made me laugh out loud.

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  26. Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it.

    Such an elegant and convincing argument.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/771033799031345152

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  27. @Percy Gryce
    God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    More than true, it’s quite obvious.

    I know women in their 60′s who take care of themselves, they don’t look like s**t the way Hillary does or move like her.

    From the looks of it, she’s pretty sick. She’s so fat, she probably needs a CPAP machine to sleep at night. Really you guys think that carrying 100lbs of excess lard on her frame is healthy for her at her age, it’s not.

    If she isn’t in the beginning stages of diabetes I’d be shocked.

    Hypertension is a given with her bloat.

    She has a doctor/medic shadowing her with a Epipen of all things.

    Then there is that cough that doesn’t stop.

    The size of her calves/ankles is worrisome. It’s never a good sign. BTW she didn’t have it during the 90′s and up to 2000.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hillary looked good in 2008.

    Hillary in 2007-2008 was like how my mother-in-law carefully timed having a facelift X number of months before her daughter and I got married. I'll use X because I don't know the ideal number of months (I'm guessing six, but I could be wrong). Don't take my word for it, but there is some optimal number of months to schedule a facelift before a big event, so get a couple of expert opinions on the question.

    My mother in law was killed in a car crash 18 months after our wedding, so the photos of her from our wedding are pretty much our last pictures of her. And they look really nice.

    , @Anonymous
    Remember, back in the day, one of Bill's many mistresses 'posed nude' for some porn mag or the other. 'Gennifer Flowers' - with 'g' as in 'genitals' was her name.
    Anyway, she didn't really show much, but the write-up was hilarious. Gennifer was quoted as saying, 'if Hillary ever bared all for this mag, then she'd need a double centerfold just to accommodate her butt'.
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  28. […] [Comment at Unz.com] […]

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  29. “Basket of Deplorables:” Now That Would be a Good Name for a Band

    How about “Desperate Impact” for a metal-influenced pseudo-punk laid back California rock act?

    idk ign

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  30. Hey, little girl, I wanna be deplorable.

    Hillary is so sweet.

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  31. @t
    It's clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

    https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/774451934048550912

    Equally interesting is that sizable (but smaller) portions of other candidates supporters are aware of HateFacts.

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  32. @Percy Gryce
    God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    Hillary is definitely in poor health. The easiest way to tell is to watch her infamous “pickle jar” appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.

    After some opening banter, Kimmel asks Hillary point-blank, “Are you in good health?” She could have responded, “Yes, I am in excellent health. These rumors are completely false.” Instead, what follows is over a minute of obfuscation and misdirection, and she never answers the question.

    For a politician as experienced as Hillary, there is no way this is an accident.

    (Even world-class liars will avoid telling a direct lie if it’s possible to avoid it, because it gives them more wiggle room later on. See, e.g., Bill “my answers were legally accurate” Clinton.)

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  33. Remember Brittney Griner? Some random SJW academic within the (new to me) field of ‘Leisure Studies’ published a true masterpiece of original scholarship regarding Brittney’s ‘intersectionally lesbian’ structural oppression…you know, as the well-paid WNBA’s half-black-bodied genderqueer giant. Can’t wait until a decade from now when Britt’s heroic genderfluidity will be memorialized in all K-12 textbooks and someone slaps her name on an inner-city charter school… enjoy, and may the SJW author enjoy a fast track to the land of tenure!

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  34. I’ve got a feeling that there are an awful lot more secret iSteve readers – even amongst the so-called ‘great and good’ – than we think.

    As iSteve is first and foremost a forum for ideas, orgininal and dissident thought etc, this can only be a good thing.

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  35. The ‘basket of deplorables’ versus the basket-cases.

    Which side would you rather be on?

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    • Replies: @TheBoom
    "The ‘basket of deplorables’ versus the basket-cases."

    good line.
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  36. Hi, I spent the last hour shopping this up, and thought I’d give a shoutout to our host. You might enjoy this! Upvote if you have an account.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/521vbf/the_deplorables/?st=iswt582m&sh=057fda78

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    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Bravo! Love the placement of Steve between Bruce Willis and Chuck Norris. Thought I might see Geert Wilders in the lineup? Donald's head might need to be moved right a touch.
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  37. This is a real comfy basket we got here.

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  38. It might not be a bad idea for her to embrace her natural, scabrous wit, which I do think she possesses. She might relax a little if they just let her be what she is.

    But you have to do it a lot, and do it well. Trump does it well, but he’s smart about it: He never insults her voters as her voters.

    That was a big mistake. You can’t call 1/4 of Americans unredeemable. Hate the sin, not the sinner is fundamental for politicians when it comes to voters.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "It might not be a bad idea for her to embrace her natural, scabrous wit, which I do think she possesses."

    Can you point to a concrete example of that? I've heard people say the is witty, but I have never seen nor heard any evidence of that. I have never seen her speak when what she said was not dull, plodding, and predictable. And a lot of her actions betray nothing but incompetence, mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance.
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  39. @t
    It's clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

    https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/774451934048550912

    Only half?

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  40. Harry Potter and The Basket of Deplorables.

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  41. @t
    It's clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

    https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/774451934048550912

    “Half of Trump supporters believe that black people are more violent than white people.”

    Is there any evidence they are not? Name one majority White city of similar population size as Chicago that have surpassed over 500 homicides so far this year.

    Rome for example has over 2 million people just like Chicago, yet Rome averages nowhere near 500 murders a year.

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    Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very 'Italian' or have 'Italian' murder rates.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    There is belief, and then there is fact. The South Side of Chicago is a more violent place than Winnetka, whether one 'believes' this or not. For a group that loves to insult Christians for their beliefs, the left 'believes' a lot of things. I have a few lefty friends etc and I notice they begin a lot of sentences with "I think......" More belief, and leftist theology. Trump supporters are IMO much more grounded in facts and economic and race realities than the left, who stick with their hard core beliefs and ideology the facts be damned. The left is easily manipulated and brainwashed as a result.
    , @David In TN
    Liberals in general refuse to acknowledge the black crime rate.
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  42. ‘The Hounds of the Basket-villians’.

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    *Ominous Monty Burns Voice*

    "Release the hounds."
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  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Oh’ those, horrible, nasty people…ohhh, they are *waycists!!!*, nasty, nasty people. They are sexists!, they are xenophobes, they are homophobes!.Boo-hoo-hoo’.

    Yep. And I’d rather have any one of those epithets thrown at me rather than be lying bleeding to death on the Bataclan floor, or be mangled by the Nice truck or even, gasp, be slaughtered on the Pulse nightclub floor.

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  44. @Jefferson
    "Half of Trump supporters believe that black people are more violent than white people."

    Is there any evidence they are not? Name one majority White city of similar population size as Chicago that have surpassed over 500 homicides so far this year.

    Rome for example has over 2 million people just like Chicago, yet Rome averages nowhere near 500 murders a year.

    Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very ‘Italian’ or have ‘Italian’ murder rates.

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    "Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very ‘Italian’ or have ‘Italian’ murder rates."

    What I said is 100 percent fact. Rome does not give Chicago a run for their money in the body count department even though they have similar population sizes.

    Even Rome's Non Italian immigrants do not tend to be as violent on average as African Americans. African Americans are on a whole other level of violence.

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  45. ‘Basket of Deplorables’. – ‘Bonfire of Vanities’.

    Do you think some unconscious processing is going on in Clinton’s mind?

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    It sounds closer to the legal phrase used in the past by Obama, "parade of horribles".
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  46. This may help Hillary. The press believes it, the left loves this talk and many in the middle are fearful of being thought of that way. The fact that Elizabeth Warren says this about people (pretty much her online contribution) is one of the reasons she is a folk hero among the left. Whether the middle of the road buy it from Hillary we shall have to see.

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  47. @Anonymous
    The 'basket of deplorables' versus the basket-cases.

    Which side would you rather be on?

    “The ‘basket of deplorables’ versus the basket-cases.”

    good line.

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  48. @Anonymous
    Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very 'Italian' or have 'Italian' murder rates.

    “Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very ‘Italian’ or have ‘Italian’ murder rates.”

    What I said is 100 percent fact. Rome does not give Chicago a run for their money in the body count department even though they have similar population sizes.

    Even Rome’s Non Italian immigrants do not tend to be as violent on average as African Americans. African Americans are on a whole other level of violence.

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    Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards (Chicago had 468 in 2015). Most of those in Campania, where the Naples mafia is strong (according to my tourist guide, Naples is the port where most Chinese imports to Europe arrive, and fewer than half the port's total imports are subject to customs checks).

    http://www.thelocal.it/20130711/Italys-murder-rate-hits-40-year-low
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  49. @Clyde
    Deplorables- No one does condescension like a liberal/lefty/commie true believer. Obama is a fey passive-aggressive master at this and now La Hillary.
    Please notice that Donald Trump has never come close to making such a sweeping generalization about Hilary's supporters or any group in America. I think trannys and their liberal fellow travelers who beat up on states like North Carolina are deplorable and deranged. DJT may think the same but he is not going to come out publicly and say so.

    Remember how in 2012 Mitt Romney was assaulted by the stooge media for his remarks at a private fundraiser about 48% of Americans being on the gov't tit? Therefor nearly impossible for a Republican to get their votes. Nothing will happen to Hillary for her similar remarks.

    Deplorables- No one does condescension like a liberal/lefty/commie true believer.

    Don’t blame her, she’s just quoting our host. (Just messin’ witcha, Steve!)

    I wanna, I wanna be deplored …

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  50. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    So when Trump makes observations about illegal immigrants not being Mexico's best, he's a racist. Now Hillary's calling Trump supporters racists, rapists, homophobes...???

    Of course nobody with a microphone in the media will protest this insult.

    Time to insult Hillary's supporters....

    Democrats used to be a party for the working class.
    Now it's more the not interested in really working class.....

    Non-Taxpayers and eaters of every stripe and shade....

    Sluts who demand free birth control pills....

    Cretins who who've been on the dole for generations....

    Race hustlers who have taken advantage of the productive majority's good will and make a living by extortion....

    Lazy bums who are too shiftless to show a photo ID in order to vote that would otherwise be required to get a tax-paying job or open bank account....

    And of course people who aren't even citizens or entitled to vote....


    What else? Help me complete the list!

    Blacks who want the right to murder police and nonblacks in general without consequence.

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  51. @Clyde
    Deplorables- No one does condescension like a liberal/lefty/commie true believer. Obama is a fey passive-aggressive master at this and now La Hillary.
    Please notice that Donald Trump has never come close to making such a sweeping generalization about Hilary's supporters or any group in America. I think trannys and their liberal fellow travelers who beat up on states like North Carolina are deplorable and deranged. DJT may think the same but he is not going to come out publicly and say so.

    Remember how in 2012 Mitt Romney was assaulted by the stooge media for his remarks at a private fundraiser about 48% of Americans being on the gov't tit? Therefor nearly impossible for a Republican to get their votes. Nothing will happen to Hillary for her similar remarks.

    The NC law was outrageous and you look extremely foolish for implying that opposition to it was “beating up” on NC.

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    Your definition of "outrageous" needs some significant calibration, as does your understanding of the (((media))) and (((corporate))) tempest machine.
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  52. @t
    It's clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

    https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/774451934048550912

    How could any honest person claim otherwise?

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  53. Hillary looks like she is ready to occupy a Casket of the Deplorable.

    The sooner the better.

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    And sooner a basket of deplorables than caskets of deplorables, which is all we'll be when Hillary's immigration policies bear their fruit. Events in places like Nice and Orlando give us a helpful foretaste of that.
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  54. @415 reasons
    I guess I'm in that basket of deplorables. You know, one of those racists who wants his daughter to grow up in the same country he grew up in and not a third world nightmare.

    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more immigrants?”

    I’d be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

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    • Replies: @Whatever dude
    Do you believe there are limits to immigration? Do you wish to live as they do in Sierra Leone? Packed country with streets running with sewage? Are there limits on population or do you believe we have an obligation to take in the billions that wish to come here? What's your ideal number for the population in America? 500M? 1B?
    , @Hunsdon
    Because not all immigrants are equal? Because as I think Pat Buchanan once asked, if you resettled 100,000 Swedes in Minnesota, and 100,000 Somalis in Minnesota, who would assimilate easier?

    Come on, step up your game. This is just embarrassing.
    , @artichoke
    Iron balls? OK I'll accept my analogy, but not to replace my actual balls which are working just fine ...

    How can I say "no more immigrants"? I can just say it. My ancestors came legally meeting the standards at the time, and they came when there was more space.

    They also came at a time when it would have been out of the question to bring in the groups Obama is bringing in now, obviously they were undesirable. We would not import Muslims, heck the Marines had to be created to fight them off (Barbary pirates.)
    , @bomag

    If you are the product of ________ and this country is a product of ________ please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more _________?”
     
    Yes, yes, a troll... but the thought process here. There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    What else makes sense in this sentence?:

    If you are the product of coal consumption and this country is a product of coal consumption please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more coal consumption?”

    If you are the product of racism and this country is a product of racism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more racism?”

    If you are the product of imperialism and this country is a product of imperialism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more imperialism?”

    Etc.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Tiny Duck: Clearly something terrible has happened to so obviously reduce your already limited intellect and by such a staggering amount. But there's no need to be ashamed. Post under your original eponym. We all appreciate the comic relief that you provide.
    , @gda
    I must have been asleep when they passed the law making immigration to the US a right for all people from 3rd world countries.

    But make no mistake, if Hillary gets in it will only be a matter of time before activist judges grant non-US citizens of the world the right to SUE the US government if denied entry to the US.

    Black? Brown? Muslim? Gay? Transgender? A member of any imaginable victim group? Welcome to the US!

    White folks excepted, naturally.
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  55. @Anonymous
    Hi, I spent the last hour shopping this up, and thought I'd give a shoutout to our host. You might enjoy this! Upvote if you have an account.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/521vbf/the_deplorables/?st=iswt582m&sh=057fda78

    Bravo! Love the placement of Steve between Bruce Willis and Chuck Norris. Thought I might see Geert Wilders in the lineup? Donald’s head might need to be moved right a touch.

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  56. I am a “race realist” who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the “alt-right” I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a “white homeland” in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    “If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, ‘We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.’ In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers.”

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

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    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?
     
    I suspect the white nationalist response would be that there's going to be wholesale violence anyway, and they might well be correct on that.

    Personally, I tend to cling to the hope that a societal change in attitude can still retrieve the situation, though it will be no bed of roses. The blame for the consequences rests with the naïve and the evil globalists who created the situation we all face, by their policies of mass immigration and military interventionism.


    There are still parts of the “alt-right” I find deplorable.
     
    Finding people with whom you disagree politically to be "deplorable" is perfectly normal and acceptable (though it might be tactically unwise to say so in an election situation). The problem is when it moves on to active censorship and state-backed harassment. The antiracist movement (and the "anti-discrimination" movements in general) long ago crossed that line.
    , @Anonymous
    This brings up the question. If black people in America are so convinced that their status is the consequence of systemic racism then why don't they demand separation? Or why is there no movement within the black community for a return to Africa?

    What do the verdict in the O.J. case, Rodney King beatdown, Trayvon Martin thing, Michael Brown assault, Obama election etc. have in common?

    In all of them, blacks, to the tune of 92-95%, sided with the black person involved--and this irrespective of the evidence etc.

    We all know this. It's right in front of our faces. Polls confirm it.

    So, why don't those people choose freedom from their oppressors? Why aren't they clamoring for release?

    Could it be that deep down, blacks know that they couldn't hack it alone? That they are, indeed, incapable of building and maintaining a modern state?

    No one race is gifted with everything. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Blacks can run fast and jump high, but those aren't particularly valuable strengths today. Were they to return to Africa though, those gifts would once again become valuable if blacks returned to their Roots, i.e. a hunter/gatherer lifestyle in which the men chased down and speared wild game.

    But to do so would mean that they would have to forsake the easy living of today's lifestyle--and they won't do that. They're stuck, and they know it.

    Rather than curse God or natural selection for having conferred upon them so few gifts that work to their advantage in the white man's culture, blacks instead blame the culture itself and grimly hang on with a vague, resentment-fueled sentiment for some kind of Hope and Change.

    This is neither Heaven nor Hell. It is Purgatory.
    , @Ed
    That's why I'm not "alt-right". It's a white separatist movement whichis their right to engage in. Still like you I'm a non-white race realist and recognize that many of the social problems are due to group differences in IQ & culture.
    , @artichoke
    How to exclude non-whites from the benefits of the society whites built? Well for one thing, scale back national-level welfare state programs.

    Segregation as a principle is basically freedom. Here's a white area, here's a black area, maybe here's an area for people from India. Each community can do things their own way, they are free to trade with each other, and they can't really make demands on each other.

    Basically the model of the Articles of Confederation, which was smacked down so strongly in the Civil War. But it's still under the surface for a lot of people including me -- even though my ancestors came here after the Civil War. I understand freedom.
    , @Anonymous
    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    These men should be satisfied with the equivalent of what Israel has--a White majority. No expulsions. Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?
    , @candid_observer
    One of the things that's just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the "ancestral" population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be "right" to make it happen -- it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It's difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There's also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower's time as now -- was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor's view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

    , @Anonymous
    Well, put it this way.

    The stupid fools who run Iceland have decided to make big show of their 'virtue' by inviting in hundreds of Syrian 'migrants'.

    Iceland is about as remote, isolated, parochial, historical and self contained as any white 'homeland' gets.
    Once Iceland has turned black, one just *knows*, in his heart, that it's all over.

    All I am saying is that the historic European nations which haven't been 'enriched' as of yet - forget the USA - be allowed immigration control.
    Nothing more, nothing less.
    , @tomv
    Perhaps the nationalists can carve out a territory for themselves that is governed by racially restrictive laws. They may start, for example, by devising a restrictive covenant in a private neighborhood and build up from there. Of course, such a covenant is not legal in the U.S. (although it used to be), and what does the state use to stamp out illegal activities when it wants to? Violence, of course.

    By the way, ethnic cleansing != genocide. ("-cide" means kill.)

    Questions back to you: Do you think any white people have a right to a country of their own, the kind that other peoples the world over enjoy? Like America, many European countries have significant non-White populations. How would the native stock ever have its own homeland and preserve its unique heritage (the way Indians do theirs) without the kind of separation that you find so objectionable?

    , @iSteveFan

    (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection).
     
    Is it right to take high IQ, self-selected Indians while refusing to take in others? I don't see how one can support that since taking away the high IQ Indians will harm the future prospects of India and ensure more people live in poverty. The only fair alternatives would be to take in all Indians, or to stop brain draining India. Given India's population the former is impossible. Which really only leaves one fair alternative.
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  57. “We’re gonna need a bigger basket …”
    Steve, you’re a journalist. The ellipses! They’re for omissions, not the end of sentences.

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    The ellipses! They’re for omissions, not the end of sentences.
     
    Why not both? I like to put omission ellipses in parentheses like so: (…)

    Steve was both opining/joking and directly paraphrasing (without omission). In a (shooting) script, an ellipsis in dialogue may indicate line delivery that is ‘pregnant’ and not simply declarative. Roy Scheider stares at the ocean for a beat or three. Because huge frackin’ shark
    , @G Pinfold
    The omission is... (What happens next? Fill in your own ideas.)
    Although, you may be on to something. This could be the reason why Steve does not write for the NYT:
    '...Steve, you're a smart guy. Everyone loves your stuff. But the ellipses...?'
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    You and your insufferably wrong obsession about ellipses. They are NOT only for omission; they are also for a trailing off of thought.
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  58. @Jefferson
    "Half of Trump supporters believe that black people are more violent than white people."

    Is there any evidence they are not? Name one majority White city of similar population size as Chicago that have surpassed over 500 homicides so far this year.

    Rome for example has over 2 million people just like Chicago, yet Rome averages nowhere near 500 murders a year.

    There is belief, and then there is fact. The South Side of Chicago is a more violent place than Winnetka, whether one ‘believes’ this or not. For a group that loves to insult Christians for their beliefs, the left ‘believes’ a lot of things. I have a few lefty friends etc and I notice they begin a lot of sentences with “I think……” More belief, and leftist theology. Trump supporters are IMO much more grounded in facts and economic and race realities than the left, who stick with their hard core beliefs and ideology the facts be damned. The left is easily manipulated and brainwashed as a result.

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  59. @Anonymous
    'Basket of Deplorables'. - 'Bonfire of Vanities'.

    Do you think some unconscious processing is going on in Clinton's mind?

    It sounds closer to the legal phrase used in the past by Obama, “parade of horribles”.

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    "Parade of Horribiles" dates back at least to Phyllis Schlafly's anti-ERA activism, and I have no reason to believe that the term is original with her. That's just the oldest place I remember seeing it.
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  60. “grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables”

    grossly generalistic…basket of deplorables – sounds like a Methodist church lady that’s lit up, or perhaps they upped her meds, notice she wasn’t coughing.

    The sentence contradicts itself. The other half of Trump supporters are what? What would she call half of Trump supporters if she was not over generalisticing?

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    "The other half of Trump supporters are what?"

    Pathetic losers.

    , @415 reasons
    Total imbeciles?
    , @Dr. X
    "To just be grossly generalistic..."

    Strangely enough, the left freaks out when people are "grossly generalistic" about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, and Mexicans.... but I guess it's OK for a presidential candidate to be grossly generalistic about white American voters.
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  61. @George
    "grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables"

    grossly generalistic...basket of deplorables - sounds like a Methodist church lady that's lit up, or perhaps they upped her meds, notice she wasn't coughing.

    The sentence contradicts itself. The other half of Trump supporters are what? What would she call half of Trump supporters if she was not over generalisticing?

    “The other half of Trump supporters are what?”

    Pathetic losers.

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  62. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    I suspect the white nationalist response would be that there’s going to be wholesale violence anyway, and they might well be correct on that.

    Personally, I tend to cling to the hope that a societal change in attitude can still retrieve the situation, though it will be no bed of roses. The blame for the consequences rests with the naïve and the evil globalists who created the situation we all face, by their policies of mass immigration and military interventionism.

    There are still parts of the “alt-right” I find deplorable.

    Finding people with whom you disagree politically to be “deplorable” is perfectly normal and acceptable (though it might be tactically unwise to say so in an election situation). The problem is when it moves on to active censorship and state-backed harassment. The antiracist movement (and the “anti-discrimination” movements in general) long ago crossed that line.

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    I suspect the white nationalist response would be that there’s going to be wholesale violence anyway, and they might well be correct on that.
     
    Correct. The Left is eagerly looking forward to the day when the U.S. becomes "majority-minority" -- but that day will merely bring about more sanctioned violence against whites than there already is. That's rather unappealing to me.

    In 1781, Thomas Jefferson predicted that the race problem would only be resolved by the "extirpation of one race or the other." Therefore, Jefferson (and every other leading white politician up to and including Lincoln) advocated separation of the races and repatriation of blacks to Africa.

    I think they were on to something.

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  63. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "We’re gonna need a bigger basket …"
    Steve, you're a journalist. The ellipses! They're for omissions, not the end of sentences.

    The ellipses! They’re for omissions, not the end of sentences.

    Why not both? I like to put omission ellipses in parentheses like so: (…)

    Steve was both opining/joking and directly paraphrasing (without omission). In a (shooting) script, an ellipsis in dialogue may indicate line delivery that is ‘pregnant’ and not simply declarative. Roy Scheider stares at the ocean for a beat or three. Because huge frackin’ shark

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    I went back and looked at the video clip from "Jaws." My vague recollection was that Roy Scheider trails off in a manner best rendered by an ellipse, but in reality he utters more of a declarative sentence that's best conveyed with a terminal period: "We're going to need a bigger boat."
    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Why not both?".
    No. Ellipses do not belong at the end of a sentence Miss Jenny.
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  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The ellipses! They’re for omissions, not the end of sentences.
     
    Why not both? I like to put omission ellipses in parentheses like so: (…)

    Steve was both opining/joking and directly paraphrasing (without omission). In a (shooting) script, an ellipsis in dialogue may indicate line delivery that is ‘pregnant’ and not simply declarative. Roy Scheider stares at the ocean for a beat or three. Because huge frackin’ shark

    I went back and looked at the video clip from “Jaws.” My vague recollection was that Roy Scheider trails off in a manner best rendered by an ellipse, but in reality he utters more of a declarative sentence that’s best conveyed with a terminal period: “We’re going to need a bigger boat.”

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    My meaning is that the ‘cinematic ellipsis’ (in this instance) describes not only dialogue delivery, but action by the character, which may also be bolstered by written direction (stares in shock).

    Brody’s ‘ellipsis’ is the wordless ten seconds from 0:35 to 0:45 in the linked clip (to when Quint’s hand motion shifts the shot focus to himself). Either way, your original use, IMO, was preferable to the replacement colon, which seems to limit the basket size to the one pictured. We may need a bigger one and then a bigger one...

    Free the ellipsis!

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  65. @rod1963
    More than true, it's quite obvious.

    I know women in their 60's who take care of themselves, they don't look like s**t the way Hillary does or move like her.

    From the looks of it, she's pretty sick. She's so fat, she probably needs a CPAP machine to sleep at night. Really you guys think that carrying 100lbs of excess lard on her frame is healthy for her at her age, it's not.

    If she isn't in the beginning stages of diabetes I'd be shocked.

    Hypertension is a given with her bloat.

    She has a doctor/medic shadowing her with a Epipen of all things.

    Then there is that cough that doesn't stop.

    The size of her calves/ankles is worrisome. It's never a good sign. BTW she didn't have it during the 90's and up to 2000.

    Hillary looked good in 2008.

    Hillary in 2007-2008 was like how my mother-in-law carefully timed having a facelift X number of months before her daughter and I got married. I’ll use X because I don’t know the ideal number of months (I’m guessing six, but I could be wrong). Don’t take my word for it, but there is some optimal number of months to schedule a facelift before a big event, so get a couple of expert opinions on the question.

    My mother in law was killed in a car crash 18 months after our wedding, so the photos of her from our wedding are pretty much our last pictures of her. And they look really nice.

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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rod1963
    More than true, it's quite obvious.

    I know women in their 60's who take care of themselves, they don't look like s**t the way Hillary does or move like her.

    From the looks of it, she's pretty sick. She's so fat, she probably needs a CPAP machine to sleep at night. Really you guys think that carrying 100lbs of excess lard on her frame is healthy for her at her age, it's not.

    If she isn't in the beginning stages of diabetes I'd be shocked.

    Hypertension is a given with her bloat.

    She has a doctor/medic shadowing her with a Epipen of all things.

    Then there is that cough that doesn't stop.

    The size of her calves/ankles is worrisome. It's never a good sign. BTW she didn't have it during the 90's and up to 2000.

    Remember, back in the day, one of Bill’s many mistresses ‘posed nude’ for some porn mag or the other. ‘Gennifer Flowers’ – with ‘g’ as in ‘genitals’ was her name.
    Anyway, she didn’t really show much, but the write-up was hilarious. Gennifer was quoted as saying, ‘if Hillary ever bared all for this mag, then she’d need a double centerfold just to accommodate her butt’.

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  67. @Kylie
    Hillary looks like she is ready to occupy a Casket of the Deplorable.

    The sooner the better.

    And sooner a basket of deplorables than caskets of deplorables, which is all we’ll be when Hillary’s immigration policies bear their fruit. Events in places like Nice and Orlando give us a helpful foretaste of that.

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  68. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The ellipses! They’re for omissions, not the end of sentences.
     
    Why not both? I like to put omission ellipses in parentheses like so: (…)

    Steve was both opining/joking and directly paraphrasing (without omission). In a (shooting) script, an ellipsis in dialogue may indicate line delivery that is ‘pregnant’ and not simply declarative. Roy Scheider stares at the ocean for a beat or three. Because huge frackin’ shark

    “Why not both?”.
    No. Ellipses do not belong at the end of a sentence Miss Jenny.

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    ...
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Ellipses ... can also be used to signal hesitation ..." from the "St. Martin;s Handbook" page 478.

    The "New Fowler's Modern English Usage, 3rd Edition" specifically accepts their usage by American writers in the manner used by Steve Sailer here, although -as is typical with Fowler - frowns upon the American practice. See the discussion of ellipses, pages 244-246 with an emphasis on (6) in the discussion.

    The only thing more annoying than a knee-biting grammar Nazi is an ignorant, knee-biting grammar Nazi, who makes up rules in furtherance of a misguided attempt to demonstrete his wholly self-imagined superiority.
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  69. Untermensch is the word for bicycle she is groping.

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  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    This brings up the question. If black people in America are so convinced that their status is the consequence of systemic racism then why don’t they demand separation? Or why is there no movement within the black community for a return to Africa?

    What do the verdict in the O.J. case, Rodney King beatdown, Trayvon Martin thing, Michael Brown assault, Obama election etc. have in common?

    In all of them, blacks, to the tune of 92-95%, sided with the black person involved–and this irrespective of the evidence etc.

    We all know this. It’s right in front of our faces. Polls confirm it.

    So, why don’t those people choose freedom from their oppressors? Why aren’t they clamoring for release?

    Could it be that deep down, blacks know that they couldn’t hack it alone? That they are, indeed, incapable of building and maintaining a modern state?

    No one race is gifted with everything. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Blacks can run fast and jump high, but those aren’t particularly valuable strengths today. Were they to return to Africa though, those gifts would once again become valuable if blacks returned to their Roots, i.e. a hunter/gatherer lifestyle in which the men chased down and speared wild game.

    But to do so would mean that they would have to forsake the easy living of today’s lifestyle–and they won’t do that. They’re stuck, and they know it.

    Rather than curse God or natural selection for having conferred upon them so few gifts that work to their advantage in the white man’s culture, blacks instead blame the culture itself and grimly hang on with a vague, resentment-fueled sentiment for some kind of Hope and Change.

    This is neither Heaven nor Hell. It is Purgatory.

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    I went back and looked at the video clip from "Jaws." My vague recollection was that Roy Scheider trails off in a manner best rendered by an ellipse, but in reality he utters more of a declarative sentence that's best conveyed with a terminal period: "We're going to need a bigger boat."

    My meaning is that the ‘cinematic ellipsis’ (in this instance) describes not only dialogue delivery, but action by the character, which may also be bolstered by written direction (stares in shock).

    Brody’s ‘ellipsis’ is the wordless ten seconds from 0:35 to 0:45 in the linked clip (to when Quint’s hand motion shifts the shot focus to himself). Either way, your original use, IMO, was preferable to the replacement colon, which seems to limit the basket size to the one pictured. We may need a bigger one and then a bigger one…

    Free the ellipsis!

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    Maybe the ellipsis belongs before the sentence: "... We're going to need a bigger boat"?
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  72. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    Do you believe there are limits to immigration? Do you wish to live as they do in Sierra Leone? Packed country with streets running with sewage? Are there limits on population or do you believe we have an obligation to take in the billions that wish to come here? What’s your ideal number for the population in America? 500M? 1B?

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  73. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    My meaning is that the ‘cinematic ellipsis’ (in this instance) describes not only dialogue delivery, but action by the character, which may also be bolstered by written direction (stares in shock).

    Brody’s ‘ellipsis’ is the wordless ten seconds from 0:35 to 0:45 in the linked clip (to when Quint’s hand motion shifts the shot focus to himself). Either way, your original use, IMO, was preferable to the replacement colon, which seems to limit the basket size to the one pictured. We may need a bigger one and then a bigger one...

    Free the ellipsis!

    Maybe the ellipsis belongs before the sentence: “… We’re going to need a bigger boat”?

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    Good point. Bookend ellipses! The scene deserves it. I still think you should bring back your original ellipsis. That basket’s just a start.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    … We’re gonna need a bigger basket …
     
    Steve, you da man! Bookend ellipses! That’s some rare punctuation.

    Hope this all ends well.
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  74. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe the ellipsis belongs before the sentence: "... We're going to need a bigger boat"?

    Good point. Bookend ellipses! The scene deserves it. I still think you should bring back your original ellipsis. That basket’s just a start.

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  75. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "We’re gonna need a bigger basket …"
    Steve, you're a journalist. The ellipses! They're for omissions, not the end of sentences.

    The omission is… (What happens next? Fill in your own ideas.)
    Although, you may be on to something. This could be the reason why Steve does not write for the NYT:
    ‘…Steve, you’re a smart guy. Everyone loves your stuff. But the ellipses…?’

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  76. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Why not both?".
    No. Ellipses do not belong at the end of a sentence Miss Jenny.

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  77. @Broski
    So roughly a quarter of Americans, by her math, are no longer part of America. It just so happens that they're the pre-Civil War stock.

    and trump wins the white vote pretty substantially so she’s basically saying the views of one third of white people are beyond the pale. I’m surprised it’s that low.

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  78. Well, there you have it: if HRC becomes POTUS her first order of business will be the construction of the American Gulags. And, Bill? in some corner of the White House diddling the interns, the 15 year old girls he met on Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express.”

    See; http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-question-hillary-cannot-answer.html

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    Agree. Great comment.

    Why do alleged feminists support the woman who docilely accepted her rogue husband's randy, satyr-like behavior? Bill indeed is the proverbial head of a man planted on the lower body of a billy-goat who walks around with a perpetual hard-on. Greek mythology really nailed it on this one. Search this Greek Satyr images, to see what I'm talking about.

    So, feminists accept Hillary, who accepted BillyGoat, who cornered women and forced himself upon them.

    The question this raises is: what does this acceptance imply about feminist's regard for most of us, meaning we men, who, though we may have had plenty of good times with various lovely ladies, nevertheless have or never had been the object of any complaint at any time by the women with whom we had dealings?

    Feminist's silent acquiescence should piss many of us off. They are saying, in effect, 'Yeah, even though men in general disgust us, we'll give Hillary a pass for putting up with her husband's antics and obnoxious behavior even though by doing so, we don't draw a distinction between an accused sexual predator and our good brothers."

    Only by censoring Bill would feminists show their support for us, the decent, handsome, self assured, competent men who never had to resort to intimidation, bullying or importuning to get the cheerleaders, homecoming court gals, Winter Carnival queen, Seafair queen types etc. to sleep with us.

    When it comes right down to it, feminists don't condemn Hillary and Bill because they (feminists) have no respect for the good, pretty, handsome, intelligent, competent people around them. It's just not the universe they travel in. These types of people are only a distant dot on their radar.
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  79. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe the ellipsis belongs before the sentence: "... We're going to need a bigger boat"?

    … We’re gonna need a bigger basket …

    Steve, you da man! Bookend ellipses! That’s some rare punctuation.

    Hope this all ends well.

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  80. @AndrewR
    The NC law was outrageous and you look extremely foolish for implying that opposition to it was "beating up" on NC.

    Your definition of “outrageous” needs some significant calibration, as does your understanding of the (((media))) and (((corporate))) tempest machine.

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    Look. The whole thing was ridiculous on both sides. Pox on both the pro-trans and the anti-tranny brigades. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

    -Male and female brains tend to be very different

    -Some males are born with more feminine brains and vice versa

    -Some people naturally identify more with the opposite sex

    -These people deserve a baseline level of respect just like all humans

    -They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)

    -Sex reassignment surgery is insane

    -The same can probably be said about hormone therapy, but to a lesser extent

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of "men going into girl's bathrooms to rape and molest little girls" is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    -The idea of being able to demand to see a person's ID, let alone birth certificate, before they can use a certain restroom is indeed outrageous.

    -The idea of a state legislature overriding a local ordinance without extremely good reason should anger any real conservative... But conveniently few purported conservatives spoke up over this aspect of the Bathroom Bill. "trannies are icky" and "muh wife and daughter" do not constitute good reason for a state legislature to overturn a local ordinance.

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  81. @t
    It's clearly true because half of all trump supporters are aware of HateFacts.

    https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/774451934048550912

    This is truly best understood as a metric for swallowing PC orthodoxy about the impact of “systematic discrimination” and the tabula rasa without questioning it because there are publicly available statistics about African American educational outcomes, unemployment rates, crime rates, incarceration rates and murder rates that most Americans should be aware of the broad strokes of.

    Like, most Americans should be aware from the NYT that blacks are more involved with the criminal justice system than other races. So asking if they are “more criminal” is asking, implicitly, for your explanation of whether that is because they commit more crimes or our racist society arrests them more even though they commit crimes at an identical rate, or, perhaps, because they commit crimes at a higher rate due to the effects of systematic racism.

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  82. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "We’re gonna need a bigger basket …"
    Steve, you're a journalist. The ellipses! They're for omissions, not the end of sentences.

    You and your insufferably wrong obsession about ellipses. They are NOT only for omission; they are also for a trailing off of thought.

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  83. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    That’s why I’m not “alt-right”. It’s a white separatist movement whichis their right to engage in. Still like you I’m a non-white race realist and recognize that many of the social problems are due to group differences in IQ & culture.

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  84. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    Because not all immigrants are equal? Because as I think Pat Buchanan once asked, if you resettled 100,000 Swedes in Minnesota, and 100,000 Somalis in Minnesota, who would assimilate easier?

    Come on, step up your game. This is just embarrassing.

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  85. Basket of deplorables vs. basket of deportables.

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  86. @Percy Gryce
    God, she looks terrible. Perhaps the rumors of poor health are true.

    Head bobbing. Trouble getting up stairs. Expelling two large green objects into a glass of water (but they may have been sound pickups, that’s my spy theory about them.)

    I am surprised she’s been as energetic as she has the past few days, with no coughing, no head bobbing, etc. Of course she’s sick.

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  87. It is not the mark of a confident candidate for public office to despise openly half of the people who are going to vote for the opposing candidate.

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  88. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    How to exclude non-whites from the benefits of the society whites built? Well for one thing, scale back national-level welfare state programs.

    Segregation as a principle is basically freedom. Here’s a white area, here’s a black area, maybe here’s an area for people from India. Each community can do things their own way, they are free to trade with each other, and they can’t really make demands on each other.

    Basically the model of the Articles of Confederation, which was smacked down so strongly in the Civil War. But it’s still under the surface for a lot of people including me — even though my ancestors came here after the Civil War. I understand freedom.

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  89. Many AR commenters want a “white homeland” in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed?

    You mean like how the Indians threw the British out of their country?

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    That has more to do with the fact the British were being pressured by the US while simultaneously having no heart for Empire.

    How long would non-violence in India lasted in the face of a triumphant Germany with Hitler trying to figure out where to send all these young Einsantzgruppen and SS looking for glory? Weeks? Days? Hours?
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  90. For the Democrats, Americans voicing their concerns about crime and immigration are “deplorable” and presumably people they’d rather not see vote.

    On the other hand, enabling felons to vote (like in Virginia) is “making sure everyone’s voice is heard” and “democracy.”

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  91. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    Iron balls? OK I’ll accept my analogy, but not to replace my actual balls which are working just fine …

    How can I say “no more immigrants”? I can just say it. My ancestors came legally meeting the standards at the time, and they came when there was more space.

    They also came at a time when it would have been out of the question to bring in the groups Obama is bringing in now, obviously they were undesirable. We would not import Muslims, heck the Marines had to be created to fight them off (Barbary pirates.)

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  92. It’s all Who/Whom.

    Hillary is signalling to her donors that if you want to be a Who and not a Whom you better get with the program:

    The alt right are people whom you’d better deplore.
    SPLC-designated hate groups are groups whom you’d better hate.

    Join the winning team before it’s too late.

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  93. Basically, the “basket of deplorables” is white males. Right?

    And those white males could expiate their guilt, at least temporarily, by voting for Hillary.

    I think this is really the subtext, and why she thinks her comments will get her votes rather than costing her votes.

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  94. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    If you are the product of ________ and this country is a product of ________ please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more _________?”

    Yes, yes, a troll… but the thought process here. There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    What else makes sense in this sentence?:

    If you are the product of coal consumption and this country is a product of coal consumption please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more coal consumption?”

    If you are the product of racism and this country is a product of racism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more racism?”

    If you are the product of imperialism and this country is a product of imperialism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more imperialism?”

    Etc.

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    There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.
     
    It's not magical; it's the law of the land, or have you never heard of the Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution?
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  95. Note that She said this to an assemblage of donors at an event in Manhattan.

    This is her Romney 47% moment. That was also in front of donors. Though the difference is that 47% was defensible, even though it wasn’t well defended. This isn’t.

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    It sounds terrible to us, but that's because we are the deplorables! Yes, us!

    The non-deplorables among Trump's support are his hard won new, tentative supporters, including a lot of blacks and hispanics. Hillary is giving them an opportunity to feel superior to us and even to virtue-signal by leaving us and going to her. That's the plan. That is why she said it publicly here, publicly on Israeli TV, she actually wanted to plant the idea in the public.

    This one deserves direct pushback from us, exactly when we want to dismiss it as a mistake. Because we need those hard-won new supporters and more like them. We need to ask them to stay. It's beneath us to prove our worth, but at this moment (just this moment) we have to do it.

    We have to stay positive and be humble. 2 months to go. Stay Positive!
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  96. Also, her husband lashed out at West Virginia and Pennsylvania coal miners.

    Who did they tend to vote for in 1992 and 1996? Oh, yeah, right. He must have forgotten.

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    The Clintons are throwing in their lot with the New & Black Americans. They tested the "improve among whites over Obama" strategy in '14 but 17/18 candidates she endorsed lost, many of them by large margins.

    So they decided to go all in diverse America. Trump's candidacy has helped crystallize it. If I was in Trump's campaign I'd do an ad splicing the deplorable comments with the whites acknowledging their white privilege. I suspect he'd win running away in Nov.
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  97. @Alec Leamas
    Your definition of "outrageous" needs some significant calibration, as does your understanding of the (((media))) and (((corporate))) tempest machine.

    Look. The whole thing was ridiculous on both sides. Pox on both the pro-trans and the anti-tranny brigades. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

    -Male and female brains tend to be very different

    -Some males are born with more feminine brains and vice versa

    -Some people naturally identify more with the opposite sex

    -These people deserve a baseline level of respect just like all humans

    -They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)

    -Sex reassignment surgery is insane

    -The same can probably be said about hormone therapy, but to a lesser extent

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of “men going into girl’s bathrooms to rape and molest little girls” is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    -The idea of being able to demand to see a person’s ID, let alone birth certificate, before they can use a certain restroom is indeed outrageous.

    -The idea of a state legislature overriding a local ordinance without extremely good reason should anger any real conservative… But conveniently few purported conservatives spoke up over this aspect of the Bathroom Bill. “trannies are icky” and “muh wife and daughter” do not constitute good reason for a state legislature to overturn a local ordinance.

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    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children
     
    You don't get it. How do you police the fakers? Ordinances have to be enforceable; we can't reasonably enforce this situation.

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of “men going into girl’s bathrooms to rape and molest little girls” is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex
     
    Uhm, how about a reasonable assessment of human nature? There are plenty of concerns about assaults in public; why make things worse?


    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia
     
    "Hurt" isn't exactly the word we want here. We expect some civilized decorum in such matters; pushing the envelope doesn't mean it makes things better.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)"

    No, it is discourteous to demand of someone else that they share in your delusion.

    If I were to believe that I am actually Napoleon Bonaparte, are you being "courteous" in addressing me as "mon Empereur"? Or are you just being a fool, and acting as deranged as I would be.

    There is a reason to draw a line in the sand over the transsexual issue. Because this (succeeding) attempt at normalizing degeneracy IS outrageous.
    , @BB753
    You're wrong : most male to female transsexuals are indeed attracted to females. Particularly the butch ones.
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  98. @countenance
    Also, her husband lashed out at West Virginia and Pennsylvania coal miners.

    Who did they tend to vote for in 1992 and 1996? Oh, yeah, right. He must have forgotten.

    The Clintons are throwing in their lot with the New & Black Americans. They tested the “improve among whites over Obama” strategy in ’14 but 17/18 candidates she endorsed lost, many of them by large margins.

    So they decided to go all in diverse America. Trump’s candidacy has helped crystallize it. If I was in Trump’s campaign I’d do an ad splicing the deplorable comments with the whites acknowledging their white privilege. I suspect he’d win running away in Nov.

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  99. I hear Hillary Clinton has a basket of dependables back home.

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  100. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    These men should be satisfied with the equivalent of what Israel has–a White majority. No expulsions. Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?

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    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.
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  101. And I for my part, deplore the 11,000 who forced the other 10,989,000 to look at said sites at the barrel of a gun.

    Oh, wait, they went there of their own volition because they (for the time being, if she has anything to do with it) wanted to? Never mind …

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  102. @Shouting Thomas
    Denouncing what... 20% at least of the electorate?

    A very deplorable strategy.

    “Deplorable” is, if anything, an understatement. “Stupid” is more like it. And that 20% number is a tad low I think.

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  103. @George
    "grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables"

    grossly generalistic...basket of deplorables - sounds like a Methodist church lady that's lit up, or perhaps they upped her meds, notice she wasn't coughing.

    The sentence contradicts itself. The other half of Trump supporters are what? What would she call half of Trump supporters if she was not over generalisticing?

    Total imbeciles?

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  104. Hahaha, who needs swing voters? She’s chasing the last die-hard lefty too choomed up to know there’s an election this year and #NeverTrumpitler. But don’t worry, she didn’t say “47%,” so the media won’t rebroadcast it 10000x.

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  105. @AndrewR
    Look. The whole thing was ridiculous on both sides. Pox on both the pro-trans and the anti-tranny brigades. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

    -Male and female brains tend to be very different

    -Some males are born with more feminine brains and vice versa

    -Some people naturally identify more with the opposite sex

    -These people deserve a baseline level of respect just like all humans

    -They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)

    -Sex reassignment surgery is insane

    -The same can probably be said about hormone therapy, but to a lesser extent

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of "men going into girl's bathrooms to rape and molest little girls" is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    -The idea of being able to demand to see a person's ID, let alone birth certificate, before they can use a certain restroom is indeed outrageous.

    -The idea of a state legislature overriding a local ordinance without extremely good reason should anger any real conservative... But conveniently few purported conservatives spoke up over this aspect of the Bathroom Bill. "trannies are icky" and "muh wife and daughter" do not constitute good reason for a state legislature to overturn a local ordinance.

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    You don’t get it. How do you police the fakers? Ordinances have to be enforceable; we can’t reasonably enforce this situation.

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of “men going into girl’s bathrooms to rape and molest little girls” is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    Uhm, how about a reasonable assessment of human nature? There are plenty of concerns about assaults in public; why make things worse?

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    “Hurt” isn’t exactly the word we want here. We expect some civilized decorum in such matters; pushing the envelope doesn’t mean it makes things better.

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    Any person could be a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual predator or any combination thereof. Investing significant energy into ensuring that your female loved ones never have to pee in the same room as a penised person is pretty stupid. Find another hill to die on, son.
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  106. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    Tiny Duck: Clearly something terrible has happened to so obviously reduce your already limited intellect and by such a staggering amount. But there’s no need to be ashamed. Post under your original eponym. We all appreciate the comic relief that you provide.

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  107. Actually, the word deplorable is not a noun — it would be hard to fill a basket, whatever the size, with adjectives, no matter how hard you try — someone should tell the stupid woman that.

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  109. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Why not both?".
    No. Ellipses do not belong at the end of a sentence Miss Jenny.

    “Ellipses … can also be used to signal hesitation …” from the “St. Martin;s Handbook” page 478.

    The “New Fowler’s Modern English Usage, 3rd Edition” specifically accepts their usage by American writers in the manner used by Steve Sailer here, although -as is typical with Fowler – frowns upon the American practice. See the discussion of ellipses, pages 244-246 with an emphasis on (6) in the discussion.

    The only thing more annoying than a knee-biting grammar Nazi is an ignorant, knee-biting grammar Nazi, who makes up rules in furtherance of a misguided attempt to demonstrete his wholly self-imagined superiority.

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    Does Demonstrete intersect the 4-Space corner of Wall Street, Main Street, and Sepulveda and Martin Luther King Boulevards?
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  110. @Anonymous
    Clinton meets with National Security advisers including noted patriot Michael Chertoff.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3782011/Clinton-meeting-national-security-advisers-today-including-David-Petraeus.html

    Chertoff. Isn’t he the guy who now works for the full body scanner company? What a mess we have.

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  111. @advancedatheist
    If Hillary wants to Satanize us Albionic Americans, she's asked for more trouble than she bargained for:

    So farewel Hope, and with Hope farewel Fear,
    Farewel Remorse: all Good to me is lost;
    Evil be thou my Good
     

    Yeah….

    My thoughts exactly.

    But…..I think many rank and file leftists are simply senile and/or dumb, and they don’t pay attention to, or understand changing trends. I have several very liberal in-laws in their late 50s/early 60s, and they constantly post attacks on Republicans on social media, and the straw-men they have created sound straight out of 2003.

    Maybe Hillary is like them, and she thinks the average Trump supporter is some more redneck version of Ned Flanders? In which case she believes the “thou are evil” shaming will A. work on some of them, make them question their support, & B. still won’t stand a chance of getting them to embrace the “evil.”

    Liberals are kind of playing with fire on this, especially as more whites move away from the teachings of traditional Christianity.

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  112. @advancedatheist
    If Hillary wants to Satanize us Albionic Americans, she's asked for more trouble than she bargained for:

    So farewel Hope, and with Hope farewel Fear,
    Farewel Remorse: all Good to me is lost;
    Evil be thou my Good
     

    That’s got to be Satan in Paradise Lost, right?

    I love that guy.

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  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster
    Well, there you have it: if HRC becomes POTUS her first order of business will be the construction of the American Gulags. And, Bill? in some corner of the White House diddling the interns, the 15 year old girls he met on Jeffrey Epstein's "Lolita Express."

    See; http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-question-hillary-cannot-answer.html

    Agree. Great comment.

    Why do alleged feminists support the woman who docilely accepted her rogue husband’s randy, satyr-like behavior? Bill indeed is the proverbial head of a man planted on the lower body of a billy-goat who walks around with a perpetual hard-on. Greek mythology really nailed it on this one. Search this Greek Satyr images, to see what I’m talking about.

    So, feminists accept Hillary, who accepted BillyGoat, who cornered women and forced himself upon them.

    The question this raises is: what does this acceptance imply about feminist’s regard for most of us, meaning we men, who, though we may have had plenty of good times with various lovely ladies, nevertheless have or never had been the object of any complaint at any time by the women with whom we had dealings?

    Feminist’s silent acquiescence should piss many of us off. They are saying, in effect, ‘Yeah, even though men in general disgust us, we’ll give Hillary a pass for putting up with her husband’s antics and obnoxious behavior even though by doing so, we don’t draw a distinction between an accused sexual predator and our good brothers.”

    Only by censoring Bill would feminists show their support for us, the decent, handsome, self assured, competent men who never had to resort to intimidation, bullying or importuning to get the cheerleaders, homecoming court gals, Winter Carnival queen, Seafair queen types etc. to sleep with us.

    When it comes right down to it, feminists don’t condemn Hillary and Bill because they (feminists) have no respect for the good, pretty, handsome, intelligent, competent people around them. It’s just not the universe they travel in. These types of people are only a distant dot on their radar.

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    Substitute "an x in the middle of their crosshairs" for "a distant dot on their radar" in that last sentence.
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  114. As much as the basket of deplorables will live on in infamy, I’d like to turn to the other basket case:

    “That other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for a change,” she said. “They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”

    Another tut-tut, too bad your lives suck now. Even though it was our policies that brought you to this sorry state, we will stay the course, while placing your ilks (!) in the deplorable basket.

    Are her supporters basketable cases, or would that be deplorable?

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    nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures

    Yes, as the famously compassionate Hillary Clinton said when testifying before Congress in 1993 on the effect on small business of her national healthcare plan, "I can't be responsible for every under-capitalized small business in America!"
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  115. @Anonymous
    'The Hounds of the Basket-villians'.

    *Ominous Monty Burns Voice*

    “Release the hounds.”

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  116. @Shouting Thomas
    Denouncing what... 20% at least of the electorate?

    A very deplorable strategy.

    They (via Mrs. Clinton and every other megaphone) are getting closer and closer to denouncing White America, in other words America and by extension Civilization.

    They are destroying their host.

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  117. Why say deplorable when you really mean despicable?

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  118. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    One of the things that’s just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the “ancestral” population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be “right” to make it happen — it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It’s difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There’s also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower’s time as now — was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor’s view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

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    I think the word for Taylor's views, as I have understood them, is: crackpot.

    He seems to believe in a vision for America that is about as realistic as basing it on alien abductions.

    , @Mr. Anon
    "And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower’s time as now — was that period an unlivable hell?"

    No, and blacks had about zero impact on the national life. They did not dominate the public's attention. Their social pathologies were not raised up as examples of "cool" behavior, as they are now. It is a matter of emphasis.

    "Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks."

    You engage in the typical fallacy. Yes, hispanics are not as dysfunctional as blacks - but they are more so than whites. And they don't replace blacks, they are added to. The blacks don't just vanish as mexicans arrive. In the 1950s, America was about 88% white, today it is south of 75% and headed lower. Moreover, white cultural norms are attacked - even "deplored". It is a real difference and it shows.
    , @Big Bill
    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor's quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies -- an entire state and culture -- all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!
    , @Anonymous
    candid_observer says, "if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans"

    But you're begging the question.* That is the very nub of the issue. Through their demands and actions, they relentlessly prove that they have no interest in America and less in becoming "proud Americans".

    No, what Taylor stubbornly insists upon is that multi-ethnic states do not, haven't in the past and aren't likely to in the future, work.

    Historically speaking, he's correct. And it's incumbent upon people like you to prove to us that they do, before you go tampering with, screwing up and destroying what had hitherto been a fairly well-functioning state.

    But you won't listen. You will blunder blindly ahead, guided only by your wild-eyed faith in the virtues of a stone-aged and third-world humanity that has, up to this moment, displayed little evidence of a capacity to adapt to a technological, democratic, trial-by-jury, free from theocratic rule, free from One-Big-Strong-Man rule, culture. Your faith is touching, but out of touch.

    See the world as it is, not as you wish it to be. Nothing could be better evidence of insanity than Robert Kennedy's famously saying, "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”.

    *"Begging the question" really means: to leave the issue beggared, or, to assume as true that which you are obligated to prove. The phrase as it conventionally appears, is miscast.
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  119. @candid_observer
    One of the things that's just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the "ancestral" population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be "right" to make it happen -- it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It's difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There's also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower's time as now -- was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor's view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

    I think the word for Taylor’s views, as I have understood them, is: crackpot.

    He seems to believe in a vision for America that is about as realistic as basing it on alien abductions.

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  120. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    So when Trump makes observations about illegal immigrants not being Mexico's best, he's a racist. Now Hillary's calling Trump supporters racists, rapists, homophobes...???

    Of course nobody with a microphone in the media will protest this insult.

    Time to insult Hillary's supporters....

    Democrats used to be a party for the working class.
    Now it's more the not interested in really working class.....

    Non-Taxpayers and eaters of every stripe and shade....

    Sluts who demand free birth control pills....

    Cretins who who've been on the dole for generations....

    Race hustlers who have taken advantage of the productive majority's good will and make a living by extortion....

    Lazy bums who are too shiftless to show a photo ID in order to vote that would otherwise be required to get a tax-paying job or open bank account....

    And of course people who aren't even citizens or entitled to vote....


    What else? Help me complete the list!

    Plus, the parasites who populate the “Diversity industry” in in the increasingly moribund academic world, you know, the Vice Presidents for Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity.

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  121. @Expletive Deleted
    Nah the coughing is just when she gets too many bugs stuck to her tongue and it rolls up a bit funny. She'll stop doing it in November, there's no flies about.

    I think she coughs on purpose because there is more intellectual in the coughing than in anything she says.

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  122. @candid_observer
    One of the things that's just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the "ancestral" population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be "right" to make it happen -- it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It's difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There's also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower's time as now -- was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor's view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

    “And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower’s time as now — was that period an unlivable hell?”

    No, and blacks had about zero impact on the national life. They did not dominate the public’s attention. Their social pathologies were not raised up as examples of “cool” behavior, as they are now. It is a matter of emphasis.

    “Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.”

    You engage in the typical fallacy. Yes, hispanics are not as dysfunctional as blacks – but they are more so than whites. And they don’t replace blacks, they are added to. The blacks don’t just vanish as mexicans arrive. In the 1950s, America was about 88% white, today it is south of 75% and headed lower. Moreover, white cultural norms are attacked – even “deplored”. It is a real difference and it shows.

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  123. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    It might not be a bad idea for her to embrace her natural, scabrous wit, which I do think she possesses. She might relax a little if they just let her be what she is.

    But you have to do it a lot, and do it well. Trump does it well, but he's smart about it: He never insults her voters as her voters.

    That was a big mistake. You can't call 1/4 of Americans unredeemable. Hate the sin, not the sinner is fundamental for politicians when it comes to voters.

    “It might not be a bad idea for her to embrace her natural, scabrous wit, which I do think she possesses.”

    Can you point to a concrete example of that? I’ve heard people say the is witty, but I have never seen nor heard any evidence of that. I have never seen her speak when what she said was not dull, plodding, and predictable. And a lot of her actions betray nothing but incompetence, mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance.

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  124. @AndrewR
    Look. The whole thing was ridiculous on both sides. Pox on both the pro-trans and the anti-tranny brigades. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

    -Male and female brains tend to be very different

    -Some males are born with more feminine brains and vice versa

    -Some people naturally identify more with the opposite sex

    -These people deserve a baseline level of respect just like all humans

    -They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)

    -Sex reassignment surgery is insane

    -The same can probably be said about hormone therapy, but to a lesser extent

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of "men going into girl's bathrooms to rape and molest little girls" is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    -The idea of being able to demand to see a person's ID, let alone birth certificate, before they can use a certain restroom is indeed outrageous.

    -The idea of a state legislature overriding a local ordinance without extremely good reason should anger any real conservative... But conveniently few purported conservatives spoke up over this aspect of the Bathroom Bill. "trannies are icky" and "muh wife and daughter" do not constitute good reason for a state legislature to overturn a local ordinance.

    “They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)”

    No, it is discourteous to demand of someone else that they share in your delusion.

    If I were to believe that I am actually Napoleon Bonaparte, are you being “courteous” in addressing me as “mon Empereur”? Or are you just being a fool, and acting as deranged as I would be.

    There is a reason to draw a line in the sand over the transsexual issue. Because this (succeeding) attempt at normalizing degeneracy IS outrageous.

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  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Well, put it this way.

    The stupid fools who run Iceland have decided to make big show of their ‘virtue’ by inviting in hundreds of Syrian ‘migrants’.

    Iceland is about as remote, isolated, parochial, historical and self contained as any white ‘homeland’ gets.
    Once Iceland has turned black, one just *knows*, in his heart, that it’s all over.

    All I am saying is that the historic European nations which haven’t been ‘enriched’ as of yet – forget the USA – be allowed immigration control.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

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  126. @Anonymous
    Agree. Great comment.

    Why do alleged feminists support the woman who docilely accepted her rogue husband's randy, satyr-like behavior? Bill indeed is the proverbial head of a man planted on the lower body of a billy-goat who walks around with a perpetual hard-on. Greek mythology really nailed it on this one. Search this Greek Satyr images, to see what I'm talking about.

    So, feminists accept Hillary, who accepted BillyGoat, who cornered women and forced himself upon them.

    The question this raises is: what does this acceptance imply about feminist's regard for most of us, meaning we men, who, though we may have had plenty of good times with various lovely ladies, nevertheless have or never had been the object of any complaint at any time by the women with whom we had dealings?

    Feminist's silent acquiescence should piss many of us off. They are saying, in effect, 'Yeah, even though men in general disgust us, we'll give Hillary a pass for putting up with her husband's antics and obnoxious behavior even though by doing so, we don't draw a distinction between an accused sexual predator and our good brothers."

    Only by censoring Bill would feminists show their support for us, the decent, handsome, self assured, competent men who never had to resort to intimidation, bullying or importuning to get the cheerleaders, homecoming court gals, Winter Carnival queen, Seafair queen types etc. to sleep with us.

    When it comes right down to it, feminists don't condemn Hillary and Bill because they (feminists) have no respect for the good, pretty, handsome, intelligent, competent people around them. It's just not the universe they travel in. These types of people are only a distant dot on their radar.

    Substitute “an x in the middle of their crosshairs” for “a distant dot on their radar” in that last sentence.

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  127. @AndrewR
    Look. The whole thing was ridiculous on both sides. Pox on both the pro-trans and the anti-tranny brigades. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

    -Male and female brains tend to be very different

    -Some males are born with more feminine brains and vice versa

    -Some people naturally identify more with the opposite sex

    -These people deserve a baseline level of respect just like all humans

    -They should not be able to demand someone call them by their preferred pronouns (although doing so is courteous)

    -Sex reassignment surgery is insane

    -The same can probably be said about hormone therapy, but to a lesser extent

    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of "men going into girl's bathrooms to rape and molest little girls" is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children

    -The idea of being able to demand to see a person's ID, let alone birth certificate, before they can use a certain restroom is indeed outrageous.

    -The idea of a state legislature overriding a local ordinance without extremely good reason should anger any real conservative... But conveniently few purported conservatives spoke up over this aspect of the Bathroom Bill. "trannies are icky" and "muh wife and daughter" do not constitute good reason for a state legislature to overturn a local ordinance.

    You’re wrong : most male to female transsexuals are indeed attracted to females. Particularly the butch ones.

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  128. @Peterike

    Many AR commenters want a “white homeland” in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed?
     
    You mean like how the Indians threw the British out of their country?

    That has more to do with the fact the British were being pressured by the US while simultaneously having no heart for Empire.

    How long would non-violence in India lasted in the face of a triumphant Germany with Hitler trying to figure out where to send all these young Einsantzgruppen and SS looking for glory? Weeks? Days? Hours?

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  129. @candid_observer
    One of the things that's just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the "ancestral" population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be "right" to make it happen -- it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It's difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There's also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower's time as now -- was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor's view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor’s quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies — an entire state and culture — all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!

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    Palestine/Israel is geographically tiny and by the late 19th century had become an unimportant backwater of the Ottoman Empire largely inhabited by poor tenant farmers (fellaheen). As improbable as were the achievements of the Israeli pioneers in that setting, American White nationalists would face a much greater challenge - vast country, the choicest parts densely inhabited, an established government backed by a powerful military apparatus, and much greater population diversity than was found in 19th century Palestine. And as for control of Israel remaining Jewish forever, let's wait at least until Israel surpasses the medieval Crusader states in its duration before we declare that to be likely.
    , @Anonymous
    The jewish objective was majority rule.

    From what I gather, Spencer is seeking actual territorial separation. A harder sell, for many reasons.
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  130. @George
    "grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables"

    grossly generalistic...basket of deplorables - sounds like a Methodist church lady that's lit up, or perhaps they upped her meds, notice she wasn't coughing.

    The sentence contradicts itself. The other half of Trump supporters are what? What would she call half of Trump supporters if she was not over generalisticing?

    “To just be grossly generalistic…”

    Strangely enough, the left freaks out when people are “grossly generalistic” about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, and Mexicans…. but I guess it’s OK for a presidential candidate to be grossly generalistic about white American voters.

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    I had never heard the word Generalistic and thought she just made it up. It is a rare word, spell check puts a red line under it. Based on my reading of an internet search Generalistic is of or pertaining to a generalist rather than an adjective form of to generalize. So I think she got the meaning wrong, although the whole sentence is so wacky who knows. Which is interesting as smarties still criticize Pres Harding for inventing normalcy rather then use the correct word at the time, normality.
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  131. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    One of the things that's just hard to swallow about Taylor and his philosophy is the sheer, perverse ahistoricity of his vision for America.

    Look, if, from the end of the Civil War until now, there has never been any real possibility of displacing the populations which are other than the "ancestral" population of the US, then it is never going to happen. Forget about whether it would be "right" to make it happen -- it is, in fact, not going to happen.

    It's difficult to have a serious discussion of such matters with someone so stuck on an idea and vision that everybody with a particle of sense knows comes out of a fantasy world.

    There's also something absurd about getting to the awareness we have of the differences between groups by noticing some hard realities, and then going off into a dream world to solve the problems we encounter.

    And why do we need to find some way to displace, say, blacks? We had proportionately as many blacks in Eisenhower's time as now -- was that period an unlivable hell? Yes, we have more Hispanics, but by any reckoning they create less societal disharmony than blacks.

    What the country needs is a vision of America that is feasible, but restores some of the basic values of nationalism and pride we enjoyed as a nation some decades ago. The virtue of looking back to previous eras in America is that we know something along the same lines is at least possible.

    And of course there are any number of groups and peoples who possess ability equal, or essentially equal, to that of Europeans (or is it in Taylor's view Northern Europeans? Or just Anglo-Americans?) to fit in and contribute to our nation. If they are already here, why not simply embrace them, if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans?

    In my view, it is perverse, both strategically and morally, not to do so.

    One thing I will say for Trump: he genuinely seems to embrace this broader vision of what America should be like. He genuinely does not seem to line up behind Taylor and others.

    Despite all the terrible, horrible things he supposedly believes, he seems in fact to be a very tolerant and even magnanimous man.

    candid_observer says, “if they are fully willing to assimilate and become themselves proud Americans”

    But you’re begging the question.* That is the very nub of the issue. Through their demands and actions, they relentlessly prove that they have no interest in America and less in becoming “proud Americans”.

    No, what Taylor stubbornly insists upon is that multi-ethnic states do not, haven’t in the past and aren’t likely to in the future, work.

    Historically speaking, he’s correct. And it’s incumbent upon people like you to prove to us that they do, before you go tampering with, screwing up and destroying what had hitherto been a fairly well-functioning state.

    But you won’t listen. You will blunder blindly ahead, guided only by your wild-eyed faith in the virtues of a stone-aged and third-world humanity that has, up to this moment, displayed little evidence of a capacity to adapt to a technological, democratic, trial-by-jury, free from theocratic rule, free from One-Big-Strong-Man rule, culture. Your faith is touching, but out of touch.

    See the world as it is, not as you wish it to be. Nothing could be better evidence of insanity than Robert Kennedy’s famously saying, “There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”.

    *”Begging the question” really means: to leave the issue beggared, or, to assume as true that which you are obligated to prove. The phrase as it conventionally appears, is miscast.

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  132. @Randal

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?
     
    I suspect the white nationalist response would be that there's going to be wholesale violence anyway, and they might well be correct on that.

    Personally, I tend to cling to the hope that a societal change in attitude can still retrieve the situation, though it will be no bed of roses. The blame for the consequences rests with the naïve and the evil globalists who created the situation we all face, by their policies of mass immigration and military interventionism.


    There are still parts of the “alt-right” I find deplorable.
     
    Finding people with whom you disagree politically to be "deplorable" is perfectly normal and acceptable (though it might be tactically unwise to say so in an election situation). The problem is when it moves on to active censorship and state-backed harassment. The antiracist movement (and the "anti-discrimination" movements in general) long ago crossed that line.

    I suspect the white nationalist response would be that there’s going to be wholesale violence anyway, and they might well be correct on that.

    Correct. The Left is eagerly looking forward to the day when the U.S. becomes “majority-minority” — but that day will merely bring about more sanctioned violence against whites than there already is. That’s rather unappealing to me.

    In 1781, Thomas Jefferson predicted that the race problem would only be resolved by the “extirpation of one race or the other.” Therefore, Jefferson (and every other leading white politician up to and including Lincoln) advocated separation of the races and repatriation of blacks to Africa.

    I think they were on to something.

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  133. I guess now that her egg-laying days are over she deplores anyone who doesn’t like bad clams. Thankfully the media can help lay some eggs for her campaign. They love egging her on. Trump needs to break some eggs to make this omelet.

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  134. If I have some Southern European ancestry on my mother’s side (and she did used to tan quite heavily without much effort) will I still be allowed in the all white utopia? How about my Eurasian niece?

    I feel more American than white. Certainly, culturally I am American. I am Northeast urban American, and therefore mixed, even if not racially mixed.

    To echo what others have said on this thread, it’s one thing to be realistic (even race realistic) about crime statistics or to oppose illegal immigration. White separatism is another thing altogether.

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    I don't want to join any club that would have me as a member.
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  135. Even better is “Guns ‘n’ Religion”.

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  136. In the 1972 novel The Odessa File, an old Jew who survived the war says that as far as the Nazis are concerned “We are not, for them, quite human.”

    That is exactly how the leaders of the Democratic Party see us – “We are not, for them, quite human.”

    We are deplorable subhumans.

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  137. @Jefferson
    "Sorry, but I doubt that the Rome of 50 years hence will be very ‘Italian’ or have ‘Italian’ murder rates."

    What I said is 100 percent fact. Rome does not give Chicago a run for their money in the body count department even though they have similar population sizes.

    Even Rome's Non Italian immigrants do not tend to be as violent on average as African Americans. African Americans are on a whole other level of violence.

    Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards (Chicago had 468 in 2015). Most of those in Campania, where the Naples mafia is strong (according to my tourist guide, Naples is the port where most Chinese imports to Europe arrive, and fewer than half the port’s total imports are subject to customs checks).

    http://www.thelocal.it/20130711/Italys-murder-rate-hits-40-year-low

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    "Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards"

    Italy has over 60 million people, Chicago has over 2 million people. When you break that down by per capita, 500 homicides out of a population of over 60 million people is nowhere near as bad as 500 homicides out of a population of over 2 million people.

    If you are trying to make Italy look bad you've failed.

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  138. I’d also see this use of an adjective as a noun as a dog whistle to Hillary’s Hispanic supporters. We are “las deplorables”.

    In Spanish, almost any descriptive adjective (and a few others) can be used to function as a noun by preceding it with a definite article such as el or las.

    Typically, adjectives made into nouns are the equivalent of the English “____ one” or “____ person” as in the following examples:

    azul (blue), el azul, la azul (the blue one)

    pobre (poor), los pobres (the poor people)

    nuevo (new), el nuevo, la nueva (the new one)

    http://spanish.about.com/od/nouns/a/adjective_noun.htm

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    No busques la quinta pata del gato. (Don't look for the fifth leg of the cat.) She was probably at Whole Foods and saw someone with a basket or something.
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  139. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Perhaps the nationalists can carve out a territory for themselves that is governed by racially restrictive laws. They may start, for example, by devising a restrictive covenant in a private neighborhood and build up from there. Of course, such a covenant is not legal in the U.S. (although it used to be), and what does the state use to stamp out illegal activities when it wants to? Violence, of course.

    By the way, ethnic cleansing != genocide. (“-cide” means kill.)

    Questions back to you: Do you think any white people have a right to a country of their own, the kind that other peoples the world over enjoy? Like America, many European countries have significant non-White populations. How would the native stock ever have its own homeland and preserve its unique heritage (the way Indians do theirs) without the kind of separation that you find so objectionable?

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  140. @Jefferson
    "Half of Trump supporters believe that black people are more violent than white people."

    Is there any evidence they are not? Name one majority White city of similar population size as Chicago that have surpassed over 500 homicides so far this year.

    Rome for example has over 2 million people just like Chicago, yet Rome averages nowhere near 500 murders a year.

    Liberals in general refuse to acknowledge the black crime rate.

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  141. @bomag

    -Most MtF transgenders are probably not attracted to females at all, let alone female children
     
    You don't get it. How do you police the fakers? Ordinances have to be enforceable; we can't reasonably enforce this situation.

    -Conservatards never cite evidence that the boogeyman of “men going into girl’s bathrooms to rape and molest little girls” is a more rational fear than a man sexually assaulting a boy in a bathroom or a woman sexually assaulting a person of either sex
     
    Uhm, how about a reasonable assessment of human nature? There are plenty of concerns about assaults in public; why make things worse?


    -No one is hurt if the person in the bathroom stall next to them has a different set of genitalia
     
    "Hurt" isn't exactly the word we want here. We expect some civilized decorum in such matters; pushing the envelope doesn't mean it makes things better.

    Any person could be a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual predator or any combination thereof. Investing significant energy into ensuring that your female loved ones never have to pee in the same room as a penised person is pretty stupid. Find another hill to die on, son.

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    Any person could be a... Investing significant energy into ensuring that...
     
    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don't want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.
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  142. I understand the thrust of your “hateful/hate-filled” observation, Steve, but it really doesn’t hold up. “Hateful” can very well mean “full of hate,” and Hillary and other Goodthink enforcers most likely use it in that sense.* The Freudian concept you’re looking for here is not “slip,” but the one that you’ve more often referenced, “projection.” After all, these people use the word “hater” the same way. You’re not going to call that a slip, are you?

    *To the extent that there’s any lexical sense in their utterances. Often in our current discourse, certain words (“racist,” “Nazi,” and “fascist” come to mind) have become generic insults entirely divorced from semantics.

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  143. @Dr. X
    "To just be grossly generalistic..."

    Strangely enough, the left freaks out when people are "grossly generalistic" about blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, and Mexicans.... but I guess it's OK for a presidential candidate to be grossly generalistic about white American voters.

    I had never heard the word Generalistic and thought she just made it up. It is a rare word, spell check puts a red line under it. Based on my reading of an internet search Generalistic is of or pertaining to a generalist rather than an adjective form of to generalize. So I think she got the meaning wrong, although the whole sentence is so wacky who knows. Which is interesting as smarties still criticize Pres Harding for inventing normalcy rather then use the correct word at the time, normality.

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    Obama misuses words too, despite being the smartest man ever. Some Obama errors I recall:

    He frequently says "enormity" when he means "enormousness," as in his inaugural address.

    He said his daughters were "nonplussed" by the attention of the press when he meant unfazed.

    He said “Let me recant” when he meant “Let me reiterate.”

    He said "fulsome accounting" when he meant full accounting.
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  144. @Dave Pinsen
    It sounds closer to the legal phrase used in the past by Obama, "parade of horribles".

    “Parade of Horribiles” dates back at least to Phyllis Schlafly’s anti-ERA activism, and I have no reason to believe that the term is original with her. That’s just the oldest place I remember seeing it.

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    Attorneys have long referred to the parade of horribles in legal filings to describe all the despicable acts alleged to have been committed by the other party.

    Shmendrick bought a Yugo.
    Shlemazel registered as a Republican.
    Doe took his prom date to Hometown Buffet.
    Putznick took gym pass/no-pass.
    Scheissekopf wore brown shoes with a tuxedo.
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  145. @Auntie Analogue
    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers. It's what makes Left-lib-progs the insufferable schmucks that they are.

    A “racist” is anyone, especially a white male, who criticizes and tells the truth about blacks as a group (pandemic criminality, black-on-white violence, anti-white hatred, delusional and irrational, average black IQ, etc.) or as individuals (e.g., Obama, Holder,” the Rev. Al,” Colin K., ad infinitum, ad nauseum). A “sexist” is anyone, especially a white male, who realizes that men and women and boys and girls are innately different in profound and significant ways and who criticizes and opposes much or most of the feminist agendum and it’s dystopian and repressive ukases and policies. A “xenophobe” is anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about post-1965 mass-immigration, the invasion of tens of millions of legal and illegal aliens from the third-world that will soon turn the United States into an nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority. An “Islamophobe” is anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about Islam and it’s barbarism, medievalism, terrorism, misogyny, etc., and who opposes an invasion of Muslims that will ultimately destroy France, England, Germany, Sweden, etc., and further harm the U.S., Canada, Australia, etc. But Muslim savages who enslave and torture and rape and molest women and girls in these nations are not “sexists” and “misogynists” and those who commit acts of terrorism are not “haters” and “bigots.” Being aspersed by such “isms” and “phobes” by Hillary and her ilk in politics and the MSM is a supreme compliment.

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  146. @Anonymous
    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    These men should be satisfied with the equivalent of what Israel has--a White majority. No expulsions. Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?

    “Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?”

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

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    Isn't the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?
    , @Anonymous
    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be "race neutral"?
    , @TangoMan
    There are a few routes that can square the circle.

    A Millet System. The US taxes in order to provide for the General Welfare and then taxes communities to provide social services for those communities. Indians pay taxes to give welfare to Indians, Mexicans to Mexicans, etc and the resulting inequality in benefits and differential tax rates must be accepted. Schools, universities, hospitals, etc all serve their own specific communities.

    Essentially we get multiple communities coinhabiting the same country but with discrimination legalized, everyone is in their own little country. You see diversity on the street but in the businesses and neighborhoods you find "safe zones."

    Another alternative is minority acceptance of differential immigration in order to rebalance the demography of the US.

    Another alternative is a SuperFund like the Resolution Trust Corp. which buys up properties for people involved in a Big Sort and as we move people around in the US, we rebalance demography by state.

    Another alternative, similar to differential immigration, is differential birth incentives. Again, this takes time, but bigger baby bonuses for whites and none for minorities, ends up boosting white demographics.

    The key concern that I believe underlies what is going on is ratio, not total number. Get whites back up to 80% or higher and the concerns go away or at least become very manageable.

    Another alternative is like what France did with Emigration Bonuses - pay people to leave. The small communities are not the existential threat, it's the large ones, like Africans and Mestizos who are transforming America. Muslims are in their own category.

    You noted that whatever efforts are taken will harm various minorities but the flipside is that the entire anti-discrimination/pro-diversity schema is harming whites, dispossessing them in the society that their ancestors built for them. Right now some Ivies are under threat of suit by Asian groups in order to boost Asian admission rates. Admission is a zero-sum game. Gentile Whites are already the least represented group on campuses built by their ancestors. The Asian groups smartly don't advocate that any particular group be reduced in order to make way for their disproportional gain, probably because they assume that the group who must give way for them is to be Gentile White. This is present-day harm to Whites.

    Eliminate this entire racial spoils system and we reduce a lot of the tension. If government-backed desegregation was bad back in the 50s, government-backed integration is the flip-side of the very same coin, also bad. Government has no business in pushing integration.

    All that said though, I don't see how we can go from Point A, present-day, to any Point-B. The more likely scenario is to tighten the screws, let the pressure build as the existing system continues to be exploited by those who benefit from the racial spoils system, and eventually the pressure can't be contained and all hell breaks loose.
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  147. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wow. I originally just READ her ‘deplorable’ comment. But the actual video of it, with her supporters cheering her on, reveals a whole nother level of contempt.

    It seems like the American left’s contempt is approaching near Reign of Terror levels now. That in order to create the society they want in the future, the stubborn moral imperfections of way too large a slice of the populace are going to have to be dealt with in some new, more serious, kind of way.

    And to continue the Reign of Terror metaphor, it’s interesting to note the ever accelerating demands for ratcheting society toward ever purer leftism. For instance it’s interesting to note that only 20 years ago Bill Clinton was peppering his State of the Union addresses with immigration rhetoric that would be to the right of what Hillary now describes as Trump’s depraved, unredeemable xenophobia.

    And that Hillary and Obama were declaring marriage to be between a man and a woman only a half decade ago. Now Hillary would have to unleash the Reign on her not-so-long-ago self as one of those hopeless homophobic reprobates.

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  148. Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn’t bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that’s already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples — Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

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    Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir, an author and professor in Iceland, called for more Syrian refugees, describing them as “our future spouses, best friends, or soulmates, the drummer for the band of our children, our next colleague, Miss Iceland in 2022, the carpenter who finally finished the bathroom, the cook in the cafeteria, the fireman, the computer genius, or the television host.”

    Bjorgvinsdottir is one of the most beautiful women imaginable, yet she enthusiastically envisions the extinction of her physical type. So sick. So sad.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html
    , @iSteveFan
    Who contributes 60 percent of democrat campaign funds? Hint: It ain't nice, white ladies.
    , @IFR1200
    The White man isn't done for yet.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    I see the hard remnant forming, slowly, every day. You just have to know what to look for. Hillary and Obama and their ilk are the best recruiters imaginable. Trump, if elected, will put the process on slow for a while, but it is already too late to stop it.

    There will be some ugly things happening. How ugly depends on a lot, but the breakup of the American/Global Empire is too far gone to stop. When it goes, there will be massive reorderings worldwide.
    , @Jefferson
    "IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere."

    America was never nearly 100 percent White even before the 1965 immigration act. You forgot the 800 pound gorilla in the room called African Americans.

    "Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men."

    If you go to the South you see plenty of lower working class White guys with obese cows for wives and girlfriends. The South has the highest obesity rate in the country and that applies to Whites in that region as well, not just Blacks.

    White guys who do not earn a decent living can not afford to be as extremely picky when it comes to women's physical appearance, unless they themselves are above average in the looks department.

    But a poor White trash version of Larry The Cable Guy is not going to attract women who look like Cara Delevingne and Rosie Huntington Whiteley. They are going to atract White trash versions of obese cows like Melissa McCarthy and Rebel Wilson.
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  149. @YT Wurlitzer
    As much as the basket of deplorables will live on in infamy, I'd like to turn to the other basket case:

    "That other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for a change," she said. "They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

    Another tut-tut, too bad your lives suck now. Even though it was our policies that brought you to this sorry state, we will stay the course, while placing your ilks (!) in the deplorable basket.

    Are her supporters basketable cases, or would that be deplorable?

    nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures

    Yes, as the famously compassionate Hillary Clinton said when testifying before Congress in 1993 on the effect on small business of her national healthcare plan, “I can’t be responsible for every under-capitalized small business in America!”

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  150. Even more (((troubling)), right after her “basket of deplorables” comment she rolls off “the racist, sexist, homophobic, … Not only does it come easily off her lips, she feels as if she has to get in every grievance group so not to leave anyone out. She could have said “Jews who resent WASPs” or “Blacks who hate whites” or “post-menopausal feminists who hate men” but she will just never go there, ever.

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  151. @Anonymous Nephew
    Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards (Chicago had 468 in 2015). Most of those in Campania, where the Naples mafia is strong (according to my tourist guide, Naples is the port where most Chinese imports to Europe arrive, and fewer than half the port's total imports are subject to customs checks).

    http://www.thelocal.it/20130711/Italys-murder-rate-hits-40-year-low

    “Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards”

    Italy has over 60 million people, Chicago has over 2 million people. When you break that down by per capita, 500 homicides out of a population of over 60 million people is nowhere near as bad as 500 homicides out of a population of over 2 million people.

    If you are trying to make Italy look bad you’ve failed.

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    You've just restated the exact point I was making, that a single city in the US has total murders in the same ball-park as an entire major European nation.

    (If I wanted to make Italy look bad (I love the place) there are plenty of things to look at, but the murder rate's not one of them. Anyway, Northern and Southern Italy are practically two separate nations. "The third world starts at Rome" I was told by a Torinese on my first visit.)
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  152. @Anon7
    I'd also see this use of an adjective as a noun as a dog whistle to Hillary's Hispanic supporters. We are "las deplorables".

    In Spanish, almost any descriptive adjective (and a few others) can be used to function as a noun by preceding it with a definite article such as el or las.

    Typically, adjectives made into nouns are the equivalent of the English "____ one" or "____ person" as in the following examples:

    azul (blue), el azul, la azul (the blue one)

    pobre (poor), los pobres (the poor people)

    nuevo (new), el nuevo, la nueva (the new one)

    http://spanish.about.com/od/nouns/a/adjective_noun.htm

     

    No busques la quinta pata del gato. (Don’t look for the fifth leg of the cat.) She was probably at Whole Foods and saw someone with a basket or something.

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  153. @George
    I had never heard the word Generalistic and thought she just made it up. It is a rare word, spell check puts a red line under it. Based on my reading of an internet search Generalistic is of or pertaining to a generalist rather than an adjective form of to generalize. So I think she got the meaning wrong, although the whole sentence is so wacky who knows. Which is interesting as smarties still criticize Pres Harding for inventing normalcy rather then use the correct word at the time, normality.

    Obama misuses words too, despite being the smartest man ever. Some Obama errors I recall:

    He frequently says “enormity” when he means “enormousness,” as in his inaugural address.

    He said his daughters were “nonplussed” by the attention of the press when he meant unfazed.

    He said “Let me recant” when he meant “Let me reiterate.”

    He said “fulsome accounting” when he meant full accounting.

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    "Corpse"-man will follow him forever.
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  154. @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir, an author and professor in Iceland, called for more Syrian refugees, describing them as “our future spouses, best friends, or soulmates, the drummer for the band of our children, our next colleague, Miss Iceland in 2022, the carpenter who finally finished the bathroom, the cook in the cafeteria, the fireman, the computer genius, or the television host.”

    Bjorgvinsdottir is one of the most beautiful women imaginable, yet she enthusiastically envisions the extinction of her physical type. So sick. So sad.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

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    One more reason women should have never been allowed to vote or hold public office.
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  155. @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    Who contributes 60 percent of democrat campaign funds? Hint: It ain’t nice, white ladies.

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  156. @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?

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    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?
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  157. @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection).

    Is it right to take high IQ, self-selected Indians while refusing to take in others? I don’t see how one can support that since taking away the high IQ Indians will harm the future prospects of India and ensure more people live in poverty. The only fair alternatives would be to take in all Indians, or to stop brain draining India. Given India’s population the former is impossible. Which really only leaves one fair alternative.

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  158. @Harry Baldwin
    Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir, an author and professor in Iceland, called for more Syrian refugees, describing them as “our future spouses, best friends, or soulmates, the drummer for the band of our children, our next colleague, Miss Iceland in 2022, the carpenter who finally finished the bathroom, the cook in the cafeteria, the fireman, the computer genius, or the television host.”

    Bjorgvinsdottir is one of the most beautiful women imaginable, yet she enthusiastically envisions the extinction of her physical type. So sick. So sad.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

    One more reason women should have never been allowed to vote or hold public office.

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  159. @ShrillPoaster
    "Parade of Horribiles" dates back at least to Phyllis Schlafly's anti-ERA activism, and I have no reason to believe that the term is original with her. That's just the oldest place I remember seeing it.

    Attorneys have long referred to the parade of horribles in legal filings to describe all the despicable acts alleged to have been committed by the other party.

    Shmendrick bought a Yugo.
    Shlemazel registered as a Republican.
    Doe took his prom date to Hometown Buffet.
    Putznick took gym pass/no-pass.
    Scheissekopf wore brown shoes with a tuxedo.

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  160. Another empty basket after our Last Summer of Recovery.

    Here comes Huma Cottontail, smuggling arms without a trail, hippity hop, what difference does it make? No one died in Libya, e-mails in oblivia, polls are rigged but Trump still ahead Today.

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  161. @iSteveFan
    Isn't the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?

    “Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?”

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

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    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?
    , @Anonymous
    In your opinion, why was there a higher standard of living available to your parents in the United States than in India?
    , @The most deplorable one
    Why did your parents deprive India of the incremental higher standard of living they could have provided?

    Pretty selfish of them, don't you think?
    , @Anonymous

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.
     
    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

    Please respond and explain.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone's standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don't understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.
    , @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.
    , @Brutusale
    Switzerland is much closer to the subcontinent, Indian Guy. Can't do much better than that for a standard of living. That should have been their first stop. England should have been next on the list; it fits your criteria and it's already some sort of Desi sub-state.

    Admit to the US being the only place with the goods AND the welcome mat out. Continue to piss on that welcome mat and it will only force our hand.
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  162. Earlier interview: Hillary uses the term grossly generalistic and then talks about a basket of deplorables. She seems more coherent in that interview. None of her ample staff pointed out how weird the fragment: ‘grossly generalistic’ is.

    I checked the online scrabble dictionary neither deplorables nor generalistic can be used in scrabble. OOPS! That’s not a valid word.

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  163. @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    I must have been asleep when they passed the law making immigration to the US a right for all people from 3rd world countries.

    But make no mistake, if Hillary gets in it will only be a matter of time before activist judges grant non-US citizens of the world the right to SUE the US government if denied entry to the US.

    Black? Brown? Muslim? Gay? Transgender? A member of any imaginable victim group? Welcome to the US!

    White folks excepted, naturally.

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  164. @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

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  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Proof that Hillary and her handlers lack evidence and rational support for their positions is demonstrated by the fact that they increasingly have to resort to name-calling as a stand-in for rational arguments. Name-calling towards wide swaths of the American public at that.

    I’m “deplorable”. Okay, what does that mean? You know nothing about me other than that I support Trump for President. What have I done that is deplorable?

    I’m “sexist, racist, etc.” Okay, what does that mean? You know nothing about me other than that I support Trump for President. What have I done that is sexist, racist, etc.? Should I even care about these words? They get hypocritically tossed around, and basically just mean anyone who disagrees with the person issuing them. It’s sexist and racist to support Trump for wanting to put the safety and welfare of Americans first in governmental policy and efforts. But not sexist and racist to make all manner of irrational hate claims about me and my ancestors for being male or being white.

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  166. @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    The White man isn’t done for yet.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    I see the hard remnant forming, slowly, every day. You just have to know what to look for. Hillary and Obama and their ilk are the best recruiters imaginable. Trump, if elected, will put the process on slow for a while, but it is already too late to stop it.

    There will be some ugly things happening. How ugly depends on a lot, but the breakup of the American/Global Empire is too far gone to stop. When it goes, there will be massive reorderings worldwide.

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    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
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  167. @Auntie Analogue
    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers. It's what makes Left-lib-progs the insufferable schmucks that they are.

    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers

    Brainwashing the sheeple via repetition. Crude, stupid and effective sometimes. Until the sheeple get pissed off at having their intelligence insulted.

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  168. By supporters of Trump who are “merely” deplorable, Hillary must mean those supporters who are neither republicans nor members of the NRA. She has stated that members of those organizations are her enemies.

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  169. @countenance
    Note that She said this to an assemblage of donors at an event in Manhattan.

    This is her Romney 47% moment. That was also in front of donors. Though the difference is that 47% was defensible, even though it wasn't well defended. This isn't.

    It sounds terrible to us, but that’s because we are the deplorables! Yes, us!

    The non-deplorables among Trump’s support are his hard won new, tentative supporters, including a lot of blacks and hispanics. Hillary is giving them an opportunity to feel superior to us and even to virtue-signal by leaving us and going to her. That’s the plan. That is why she said it publicly here, publicly on Israeli TV, she actually wanted to plant the idea in the public.

    This one deserves direct pushback from us, exactly when we want to dismiss it as a mistake. Because we need those hard-won new supporters and more like them. We need to ask them to stay. It’s beneath us to prove our worth, but at this moment (just this moment) we have to do it.

    We have to stay positive and be humble. 2 months to go. Stay Positive!

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  170. @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    There are a few routes that can square the circle.

    A Millet System. The US taxes in order to provide for the General Welfare and then taxes communities to provide social services for those communities. Indians pay taxes to give welfare to Indians, Mexicans to Mexicans, etc and the resulting inequality in benefits and differential tax rates must be accepted. Schools, universities, hospitals, etc all serve their own specific communities.

    Essentially we get multiple communities coinhabiting the same country but with discrimination legalized, everyone is in their own little country. You see diversity on the street but in the businesses and neighborhoods you find “safe zones.”

    Another alternative is minority acceptance of differential immigration in order to rebalance the demography of the US.

    Another alternative is a SuperFund like the Resolution Trust Corp. which buys up properties for people involved in a Big Sort and as we move people around in the US, we rebalance demography by state.

    Another alternative, similar to differential immigration, is differential birth incentives. Again, this takes time, but bigger baby bonuses for whites and none for minorities, ends up boosting white demographics.

    The key concern that I believe underlies what is going on is ratio, not total number. Get whites back up to 80% or higher and the concerns go away or at least become very manageable.

    Another alternative is like what France did with Emigration Bonuses – pay people to leave. The small communities are not the existential threat, it’s the large ones, like Africans and Mestizos who are transforming America. Muslims are in their own category.

    You noted that whatever efforts are taken will harm various minorities but the flipside is that the entire anti-discrimination/pro-diversity schema is harming whites, dispossessing them in the society that their ancestors built for them. Right now some Ivies are under threat of suit by Asian groups in order to boost Asian admission rates. Admission is a zero-sum game. Gentile Whites are already the least represented group on campuses built by their ancestors. The Asian groups smartly don’t advocate that any particular group be reduced in order to make way for their disproportional gain, probably because they assume that the group who must give way for them is to be Gentile White. This is present-day harm to Whites.

    Eliminate this entire racial spoils system and we reduce a lot of the tension. If government-backed desegregation was bad back in the 50s, government-backed integration is the flip-side of the very same coin, also bad. Government has no business in pushing integration.

    All that said though, I don’t see how we can go from Point A, present-day, to any Point-B. The more likely scenario is to tighten the screws, let the pressure build as the existing system continues to be exploited by those who benefit from the racial spoils system, and eventually the pressure can’t be contained and all hell breaks loose.

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    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.
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  171. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?

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    Have you not heard of the magic dirt?
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  172. @IFR1200
    The White man isn't done for yet.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    I see the hard remnant forming, slowly, every day. You just have to know what to look for. Hillary and Obama and their ilk are the best recruiters imaginable. Trump, if elected, will put the process on slow for a while, but it is already too late to stop it.

    There will be some ugly things happening. How ugly depends on a lot, but the breakup of the American/Global Empire is too far gone to stop. When it goes, there will be massive reorderings worldwide.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

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    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
     
    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.
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  173. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    In your opinion, why was there a higher standard of living available to your parents in the United States than in India?

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  174. The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Why did your parents deprive India of the incremental higher standard of living they could have provided?

    Pretty selfish of them, don’t you think?

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  175. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

    Please respond and explain.

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  176. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone’s standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don’t understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.

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    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.
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  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TangoMan
    There are a few routes that can square the circle.

    A Millet System. The US taxes in order to provide for the General Welfare and then taxes communities to provide social services for those communities. Indians pay taxes to give welfare to Indians, Mexicans to Mexicans, etc and the resulting inequality in benefits and differential tax rates must be accepted. Schools, universities, hospitals, etc all serve their own specific communities.

    Essentially we get multiple communities coinhabiting the same country but with discrimination legalized, everyone is in their own little country. You see diversity on the street but in the businesses and neighborhoods you find "safe zones."

    Another alternative is minority acceptance of differential immigration in order to rebalance the demography of the US.

    Another alternative is a SuperFund like the Resolution Trust Corp. which buys up properties for people involved in a Big Sort and as we move people around in the US, we rebalance demography by state.

    Another alternative, similar to differential immigration, is differential birth incentives. Again, this takes time, but bigger baby bonuses for whites and none for minorities, ends up boosting white demographics.

    The key concern that I believe underlies what is going on is ratio, not total number. Get whites back up to 80% or higher and the concerns go away or at least become very manageable.

    Another alternative is like what France did with Emigration Bonuses - pay people to leave. The small communities are not the existential threat, it's the large ones, like Africans and Mestizos who are transforming America. Muslims are in their own category.

    You noted that whatever efforts are taken will harm various minorities but the flipside is that the entire anti-discrimination/pro-diversity schema is harming whites, dispossessing them in the society that their ancestors built for them. Right now some Ivies are under threat of suit by Asian groups in order to boost Asian admission rates. Admission is a zero-sum game. Gentile Whites are already the least represented group on campuses built by their ancestors. The Asian groups smartly don't advocate that any particular group be reduced in order to make way for their disproportional gain, probably because they assume that the group who must give way for them is to be Gentile White. This is present-day harm to Whites.

    Eliminate this entire racial spoils system and we reduce a lot of the tension. If government-backed desegregation was bad back in the 50s, government-backed integration is the flip-side of the very same coin, also bad. Government has no business in pushing integration.

    All that said though, I don't see how we can go from Point A, present-day, to any Point-B. The more likely scenario is to tighten the screws, let the pressure build as the existing system continues to be exploited by those who benefit from the racial spoils system, and eventually the pressure can't be contained and all hell breaks loose.

    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the “oppressed” and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we’re undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They’re not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

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    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).
    , @Anonymous
    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.
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  178. @Anonymous
    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).

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    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling
     
    Not so. Our founders had much to lose. And some lost all. But they rebelled nonetheless.
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  179. @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    “IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.”

    America was never nearly 100 percent White even before the 1965 immigration act. You forgot the 800 pound gorilla in the room called African Americans.

    “Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men.”

    If you go to the South you see plenty of lower working class White guys with obese cows for wives and girlfriends. The South has the highest obesity rate in the country and that applies to Whites in that region as well, not just Blacks.

    White guys who do not earn a decent living can not afford to be as extremely picky when it comes to women’s physical appearance, unless they themselves are above average in the looks department.

    But a poor White trash version of Larry The Cable Guy is not going to attract women who look like Cara Delevingne and Rosie Huntington Whiteley. They are going to atract White trash versions of obese cows like Melissa McCarthy and Rebel Wilson.

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  180. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Ellipses ... can also be used to signal hesitation ..." from the "St. Martin;s Handbook" page 478.

    The "New Fowler's Modern English Usage, 3rd Edition" specifically accepts their usage by American writers in the manner used by Steve Sailer here, although -as is typical with Fowler - frowns upon the American practice. See the discussion of ellipses, pages 244-246 with an emphasis on (6) in the discussion.

    The only thing more annoying than a knee-biting grammar Nazi is an ignorant, knee-biting grammar Nazi, who makes up rules in furtherance of a misguided attempt to demonstrete his wholly self-imagined superiority.

    Does Demonstrete intersect the 4-Space corner of Wall Street, Main Street, and Sepulveda and Martin Luther King Boulevards?

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  181. @Anonymous
    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.

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    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by "hate". It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in "the knockout game". Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don't see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent-- children really--and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that "A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man." And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I'm not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don't produce useful results. They aren't the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King's preaching, Jesse Jackson's self promotion, Barack Obama's ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.
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  182. The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone's standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don't understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.

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    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.
     
    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
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  183. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

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    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

     
    I guess it was just logical for them to come to the country with the world's highest standard of living and skip the rest. That is what, if fact, the majority of modern immigrants to America are doing.
    , @Jefferson
    "Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit."

    And many Europeans came here to America to escape poverty. Do you think Ireland for example was a 1st world nation with an extremely high standard of living during the potato famine?
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  184. @BenKenobi
    I've said it before, and I guarantee I will say it again:

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    The die is cast, the game is afoot.

    What a time to be alive.

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    Anyone who would count the dishonest Decepticons we face as good is evil.

    Don’t concede the commanding heights of morality. But if you do, count me out. I won’t sign on to “content himself with evil.” Because, what profitith it a man

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    sigh...

    "You're such a pollyanna. I bet you kiss prostitutes."
    - Director Avery Bullock

    Third citation... and counting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-HCHCuHMg
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  185. @TangoMan
    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling

    Not so. Our founders had much to lose. And some lost all. But they rebelled nonetheless.

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  186. @The most deplorable one
    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

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    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
     
    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.
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  187. @RudyM
    If I have some Southern European ancestry on my mother's side (and she did used to tan quite heavily without much effort) will I still be allowed in the all white utopia? How about my Eurasian niece?

    I feel more American than white. Certainly, culturally I am American. I am Northeast urban American, and therefore mixed, even if not racially mixed.

    To echo what others have said on this thread, it's one thing to be realistic (even race realistic) about crime statistics or to oppose illegal immigration. White separatism is another thing altogether.

    I don’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.

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  188. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?

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    "Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?"

    Odd too how a corporate raider could leverage a hostile takeover, lay off the workers at the local plant, use the accumulated savings in the company's pension plan to fund further acquisitions, and just generally disrupt and destroy the continuity and fabric of social relations in a community and enjoy the protection of the Law throughout. If a disenfranchised, hapless workers were to throw a pie in the face of one of the ruthless wolves, they would be jailed for assault and maybe sued for what little they were still worth.

    And of course, the remaining workers are saddled with paying off the debt load incurred by the new owners in acquiring the plant, so a portion of their wages is literally dedicated to paying the interest on the money that the shysters borrowed to destroy the worker's lives. Hey, it works for some people!

    So well in fact, that as a business model, the Wall Street Banks applied the same formula to the biggest plum of them all, the American home mortgage market. Only this time, the money wasn't borrowed up front, it was provided by the final buyers of the bundled mortgages, the Icelandic Teacher Pensioners and so on. Taken as a whole, Wall Street owned the mortgages on roughly half of all American homes.

    They didn't even need to buy our economy with "other people's money", the Fed printed--and is still printing--it for them, as Mike Whitney's articles elaborate upon.
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  189. @Desiderius

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?

    Have you not heard of the magic dirt?

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  190. @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    I guess it was just logical for them to come to the country with the world’s highest standard of living and skip the rest. That is what, if fact, the majority of modern immigrants to America are doing.

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  191. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.
     
    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.

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    This is only true if you view the Pilgrims as our founders.

    I don't. I view Jamestown as the start of America, and other than a sprinkling of Huguenots who found a home around there, it was not settled by people looking to escape "boot stomping." (The Puritans weren't really getting stomped on back in England anyhow)

    America was founded by people looking for adventure and for profit. And yes, a chance at a higher standard of living (which often didn't pan out)

    We don't have to measure up to moralistic origin myths to be a worthy country. The reasons America was founded should have absolutely no bearing on current immigration (or any) policy. In the past we were empty, for now we are pretty full....simple as that.
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  193. @bomag

    If you are the product of ________ and this country is a product of ________ please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more _________?”
     
    Yes, yes, a troll... but the thought process here. There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    What else makes sense in this sentence?:

    If you are the product of coal consumption and this country is a product of coal consumption please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more coal consumption?”

    If you are the product of racism and this country is a product of racism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more racism?”

    If you are the product of imperialism and this country is a product of imperialism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more imperialism?”

    Etc.

    There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    It’s not magical; it’s the law of the land, or have you never heard of the Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution?

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  194. Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn’t Wrong About Trump’s Supporters

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    Headzup for Steve!

    I think Ta-Nehisi Coates may have just created the best all purpose rhetorical catch-phrase ever:

    ___________ Was Politically Incorrect, but ____ Wasn’t Wrong About _________!

    And in other news,

    Black Lives... Are Delicious!

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/meet-teodoro-obiang-nguema-equatorial-8808273
    , @Anonymous
    Coates says, in support of Hillary's claims that Trumps supporters are "Islamophobic" (as she put it);

    "We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States."

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an "unfavorable view" make one phobic? And "a ban on [something] entering" is not allowing it to impinge upon one's own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it's space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.
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  195. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.
     
    Anyone who would count the dishonest Decepticons we face as good is evil.

    Don't concede the commanding heights of morality. But if you do, count me out. I won't sign on to "content himself with evil." Because, what profitith it a man ...

    sigh…

    “You’re such a pollyanna. I bet you kiss prostitutes.”
    - Director Avery Bullock

    Third citation… and counting.

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  196. - We deplore them because they are hateful. (I.e., We are full of hate toward Trump’s ideas.)

    Simple Definition of hateful

    : very bad or evil : causing or deserving hate

    : full of hate : showing hate

    via: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hateful

    As can be seen in Unz’s isteve section, quite a lot of Trump supporters really are deplorable. Doesn’t really mean that Clinton supporters are much better, though.

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  197. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    "How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn't it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?

    “Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?”

    Odd too how a corporate raider could leverage a hostile takeover, lay off the workers at the local plant, use the accumulated savings in the company’s pension plan to fund further acquisitions, and just generally disrupt and destroy the continuity and fabric of social relations in a community and enjoy the protection of the Law throughout. If a disenfranchised, hapless workers were to throw a pie in the face of one of the ruthless wolves, they would be jailed for assault and maybe sued for what little they were still worth.

    And of course, the remaining workers are saddled with paying off the debt load incurred by the new owners in acquiring the plant, so a portion of their wages is literally dedicated to paying the interest on the money that the shysters borrowed to destroy the worker’s lives. Hey, it works for some people!

    So well in fact, that as a business model, the Wall Street Banks applied the same formula to the biggest plum of them all, the American home mortgage market. Only this time, the money wasn’t borrowed up front, it was provided by the final buyers of the bundled mortgages, the Icelandic Teacher Pensioners and so on. Taken as a whole, Wall Street owned the mortgages on roughly half of all American homes.

    They didn’t even need to buy our economy with “other people’s money”, the Fed printed–and is still printing–it for them, as Mike Whitney’s articles elaborate upon.

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  198. @MEH 0910
    Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters

    Headzup for Steve!

    I think Ta-Nehisi Coates may have just created the best all purpose rhetorical catch-phrase ever:

    ___________ Was Politically Incorrect, but ____ Wasn’t Wrong About _________!

    And in other news,

    Black Lives… Are Delicious!

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/meet-teodoro-obiang-nguema-equatorial-8808273

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  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.

    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by “hate”. It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in “the knockout game”. Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don’t see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent– children really–and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that “A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man.” And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I’m not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don’t produce useful results. They aren’t the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King’s preaching, Jesse Jackson’s self promotion, Barack Obama’s ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.

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    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations.
     
    You are carrying the assumption that those in power want better relations. It looks to me like many are fine with the current status: Blacks and their handlers control the streets; they are catered by the media, academia, and other institutions; the welfare state is pulling them along and fostering a leisure class. Not that bad of a deal; why mess with it?

    Human society is a series of adversarial relationships. Employer - employee is adversarial in many ways; child - parent, same thing. Boyfriend - girlfriend, landlord - tenant, etc; all the way down the line. You are not going to see the races in total embracement singing Kumbaya, ever.
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  200. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters

    Coates says, in support of Hillary’s claims that Trumps supporters are “Islamophobic” (as she put it);

    “We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States.”

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an “unfavorable view” make one phobic? And “a ban on [something] entering” is not allowing it to impinge upon one’s own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it’s space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.

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    I'd like them to poll Muslims about their views on Christians. Could they possibly be "christophobic"?
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  201. Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

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    Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?
     
    I dislike "anti-semite." It sounds like an insecticide. It feels like more of an active term. It makes me feel like attacking jews.

    "Jewiphobe" is more of a reactive term. It makes me feel like running away from jews.

    On the other hand, "Anti-Jew" feels like an admixture of the above. It makes me want to defend my house against jews.

    However, "Weinstein" makes me feel like I'm about to see a lot of blacks being unfairly abused, with no jews in sight.

    It's confusing.
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  202. @AndrewR
    Any person could be a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual predator or any combination thereof. Investing significant energy into ensuring that your female loved ones never have to pee in the same room as a penised person is pretty stupid. Find another hill to die on, son.

    Any person could be a… Investing significant energy into ensuring that…

    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don’t want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

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    If I were a sexual predator, a public toilet would probably not be a place where I would choose to prey. And if it was, and I didn't want to prey on a male, and I was not an actual woman, I think I could make myself into a pretty convincing looking woman.

    Maybe you are inadvertently revealing your own desires.

    , @Jefferson
    "You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines."

    I remember during The Libertarian Party debate in Orlando which aired on C-SPAN, most Libertarians in the audience booed Gary Johnson when he said he does not favor abolishing driver's licenses. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide who has the legal right to drive because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said polygamy marriage should remain illegal. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide how many women a man can legally marry at the same time because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said private businesses should not have the legal right to refuse service to customers based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and or sexual orientation.


    I feel sorry for most Libertarian voters who will never get their perfect 100 percent ideologically pure Libertarian candidate. They have to settle with a LINO like Gary Johnson who is Libertarian lite.
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  203. @PiltdownMan

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
     
    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.

    This is only true if you view the Pilgrims as our founders.

    I don’t. I view Jamestown as the start of America, and other than a sprinkling of Huguenots who found a home around there, it was not settled by people looking to escape “boot stomping.” (The Puritans weren’t really getting stomped on back in England anyhow)

    America was founded by people looking for adventure and for profit. And yes, a chance at a higher standard of living (which often didn’t pan out)

    We don’t have to measure up to moralistic origin myths to be a worthy country. The reasons America was founded should have absolutely no bearing on current immigration (or any) policy. In the past we were empty, for now we are pretty full….simple as that.

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  204. @Anonymous
    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by "hate". It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in "the knockout game". Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don't see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent-- children really--and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that "A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man." And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I'm not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don't produce useful results. They aren't the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King's preaching, Jesse Jackson's self promotion, Barack Obama's ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations.

    You are carrying the assumption that those in power want better relations. It looks to me like many are fine with the current status: Blacks and their handlers control the streets; they are catered by the media, academia, and other institutions; the welfare state is pulling them along and fostering a leisure class. Not that bad of a deal; why mess with it?

    Human society is a series of adversarial relationships. Employer – employee is adversarial in many ways; child – parent, same thing. Boyfriend – girlfriend, landlord – tenant, etc; all the way down the line. You are not going to see the races in total embracement singing Kumbaya, ever.

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  205. @bomag

    Any person could be a... Investing significant energy into ensuring that...
     
    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don't want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

    If I were a sexual predator, a public toilet would probably not be a place where I would choose to prey. And if it was, and I didn’t want to prey on a male, and I was not an actual woman, I think I could make myself into a pretty convincing looking woman.

    Maybe you are inadvertently revealing your own desires.

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  206. @Harry Baldwin
    Obama misuses words too, despite being the smartest man ever. Some Obama errors I recall:

    He frequently says "enormity" when he means "enormousness," as in his inaugural address.

    He said his daughters were "nonplussed" by the attention of the press when he meant unfazed.

    He said “Let me recant” when he meant “Let me reiterate.”

    He said "fulsome accounting" when he meant full accounting.

    “Corpse”-man will follow him forever.

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  207. @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Switzerland is much closer to the subcontinent, Indian Guy. Can’t do much better than that for a standard of living. That should have been their first stop. England should have been next on the list; it fits your criteria and it’s already some sort of Desi sub-state.

    Admit to the US being the only place with the goods AND the welcome mat out. Continue to piss on that welcome mat and it will only force our hand.

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  208. @Anonymous
    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.

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    "Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here."

    Mexicans are an extremely poor buffer effect for Black on White crime, because Black on White crime is still the number 1 most common form of interracial crime in America.

    Black on Asian crime has also been on the come up recently in the last few years as more Asians immigrate to The U.S. Anybody who lives in California and watches their Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco, or San Diego metropolitan area local news will notice this increasing pattern in Black on Asian crime.
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  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Canadian Observer
    Hilary neglected to say "anti-Semite" which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the "phobes" or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

    Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

    I dislike “anti-semite.” It sounds like an insecticide. It feels like more of an active term. It makes me feel like attacking jews.

    “Jewiphobe” is more of a reactive term. It makes me feel like running away from jews.

    On the other hand, “Anti-Jew” feels like an admixture of the above. It makes me want to defend my house against jews.

    However, “Weinstein” makes me feel like I’m about to see a lot of blacks being unfairly abused, with no jews in sight.

    It’s confusing.

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  210. @Anonymous
    Coates says, in support of Hillary's claims that Trumps supporters are "Islamophobic" (as she put it);

    "We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States."

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an "unfavorable view" make one phobic? And "a ban on [something] entering" is not allowing it to impinge upon one's own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it's space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.

    I’d like them to poll Muslims about their views on Christians. Could they possibly be “christophobic”?

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  211. @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    “Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.”

    And many Europeans came here to America to escape poverty. Do you think Ireland for example was a 1st world nation with an extremely high standard of living during the potato famine?

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  212. @bomag

    Any person could be a... Investing significant energy into ensuring that...
     
    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don't want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

    “You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.”

    I remember during The Libertarian Party debate in Orlando which aired on C-SPAN, most Libertarians in the audience booed Gary Johnson when he said he does not favor abolishing driver’s licenses. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide who has the legal right to drive because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said polygamy marriage should remain illegal. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide how many women a man can legally marry at the same time because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said private businesses should not have the legal right to refuse service to customers based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and or sexual orientation.

    I feel sorry for most Libertarian voters who will never get their perfect 100 percent ideologically pure Libertarian candidate. They have to settle with a LINO like Gary Johnson who is Libertarian lite.

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  213. @Anonymous

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
     
    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.

    “Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.”

    Mexicans are an extremely poor buffer effect for Black on White crime, because Black on White crime is still the number 1 most common form of interracial crime in America.

    Black on Asian crime has also been on the come up recently in the last few years as more Asians immigrate to The U.S. Anybody who lives in California and watches their Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco, or San Diego metropolitan area local news will notice this increasing pattern in Black on Asian crime.

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  214. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Big Bill
    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor's quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies -- an entire state and culture -- all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!

    Palestine/Israel is geographically tiny and by the late 19th century had become an unimportant backwater of the Ottoman Empire largely inhabited by poor tenant farmers (fellaheen). As improbable as were the achievements of the Israeli pioneers in that setting, American White nationalists would face a much greater challenge – vast country, the choicest parts densely inhabited, an established government backed by a powerful military apparatus, and much greater population diversity than was found in 19th century Palestine. And as for control of Israel remaining Jewish forever, let’s wait at least until Israel surpasses the medieval Crusader states in its duration before we declare that to be likely.

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  215. @Big Bill
    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor's quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies -- an entire state and culture -- all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!

    The jewish objective was majority rule.

    From what I gather, Spencer is seeking actual territorial separation. A harder sell, for many reasons.

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  216. @Jefferson
    "Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards"

    Italy has over 60 million people, Chicago has over 2 million people. When you break that down by per capita, 500 homicides out of a population of over 60 million people is nowhere near as bad as 500 homicides out of a population of over 2 million people.

    If you are trying to make Italy look bad you've failed.

    You’ve just restated the exact point I was making, that a single city in the US has total murders in the same ball-park as an entire major European nation.

    (If I wanted to make Italy look bad (I love the place) there are plenty of things to look at, but the murder rate’s not one of them. Anyway, Northern and Southern Italy are practically two separate nations. “The third world starts at Rome” I was told by a Torinese on my first visit.)

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  217. There’s actually a band named Basket of Deplorables on Reverbnation!

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