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February has seen massive snowfalls in California. So that got me thinking about the mountains, which leads to thinking about bears.

Grizzly (a.k.a., brown bears) are large and aggressive. So, they’re not around in California anymore. Black bears are more reasonable — don’t threaten their cubs and they probably won’t attack you. (Warning: probably is not always. For example, a few years ago a guy got eaten by a bear in New Jersey.) So, black bears have replaced grizzly bears in California.

The last grizzly bear in Southern California was killed in Tujunga Canyon in the northeast San Fernando Valley in 1916. But lots of black bears now live just north of Los Angeles, such as this one in Glendale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvVztKw7Yk

Interestingly, the black bear population that lives in the San Gabriel Mountains above Pasadena appear to be comprised of a sort of prison colony of Yosemite black bears expelled by park rangers.

Grizzly bears, featured on the state flag, were once common in the Transverse Ranges, but were driven to extinction in California in the late 19th century, with one of the last animals in the San Gabriels being shot in 1894 by Walter L. Richardson. Black bears did not naturally exist in the San Gabriel Mountains, but in 1933 eleven black bears from Yosemite Valley that had shown problematic behavior were moved to Southern California and released near Crystal Lake.[12] All black bears in the San Gabriels are believed to be descended from this group.

Do they know for sure? This story could be true.

On the other hand, it’s not impossible to imagine bears walking from the Sierra Nevadas in eastern central California to the Transverse Ranges that loom just north of the Southern California sprawl.

This is, notoriously, the dreariest section of the Pacific Crest Trail. Here’s Reese Witherspoon as Cheryl Strayed in Wild ineptly attempting to start hiking the PCT at Tehachapi, a good place for a giant wind farm, but a really bad place to start out if you are looking to heal psychic wounds by enjoying the beauties of nature:

People trying to hike all the way to the Canadian border on the Pacific Crest Trail in one year can’t usually get through this miserable stretch until it’s hot in late spring because the High Sierra just to the north can be blocked by snowpack until early summer.

Still the Pacific Crest Trail is only about 125 miles through the high desert, so it’s hardly unimaginable that bears could cross from the Sierra to the San Gabriels in a wet winter. But do California black bears hibernate in winter?

Anyway, if Southern California’s bears are really all descended from the Bad Bears who were exiled from Yosemite in 1933, it would be interesting to know if they carry any “problematic” behavioral traits like their 1933 ancestors, or have instead regressed back to the mean of Sierra bears.

Note: this 2019 article on the importation of bears into Southern California in 1933 by local sportsman and California Fish & Game Commissioner JD Gentry doesn’t mention that the Sierra park rangers were specifically dumping their troublesome bears on the naive SoCal folks. In the first month, one of the newcomer bears ambled 50 miles down out of the mountains to Cucamonga where it was found sampling bee hives and was chased up a eucalyptus tree before being returned to the mountains. The governor fired Gentry was fired as Fish & Game Commissioner.

So the bears probably would have gotten to Southern California on their own eventually, just as they crossed the Central Valley to Monterey County along the coast. A 2009 DNA study of SoCal bears found they were similar enough to Yosemite bears that they might indeed be their direct descendants from 1933.

 
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  1. Chewie says:

    No more aggressive brown bears allowed??

  2. Chewie1 says:

    No more aggressive brown bears allowed??

  3. Svigor says:

    TFW no Liam Neeson thread. :_(

    The Liam Neeson thing is pretty great.

    The alt-right owns him now. Mel Gibson and Liam Neeson buddy memes from now until the end of time.

    He so obviously calculated this whole thing to gin up controversy and clicks for his movie. If this was something that just slipped out, he wouldn’t have related it in two separate interviews (I have listened to at least two interviews where he is obviously relating this story de novo, BEFORE any blowback started). It’s pretty funny, when you think about it; he’s calculated that he can get away with this, and come out on the other side better off than he went in.

  4. @Svigor

    Did Liam Neeson get the plot for his new movie about a snowplow driver from “Daddy’s Home 2” in which Mark Wahlberg and his dad (Mel Gibson) and Will Ferrell and his dad (John Lithgow) go to see the holiday action movie “Missile Tow,” in which Liam Neeson plays a tow trucker driver who tows a terrorist’s missile away?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Anon
    , @donut
    , @Paul Rise
    , @HA
    , @Lot
  5. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, any thoughts on Owen Benjamin?

  6. So the bears probably would have gotten to Southern California on their own eventually…

    Manifest Destiny!

    Just what is the UCLA Bruin, anyway? And when are the bears themselves going to protest their degrading use as a mascot?

    First LA. Then on to Chicago, Boston, Memphis, and New London.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @AnotherDad
  7. In Big Bend National Park, there were no black bears (at least enough to pester hikers) until the ’90s or so. Anyway, several decades after being eradicated, some bears from Mexico (not sure of the relative distances involved) made their way into the Chisos Mountains through some very harsh terrain. So the SoCal bears could very well either be a prison population, travelers, or a combination of both.

    • Replies: @Anon
  8. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    The bears who had disappeared from the Chisos mountains, an isolated high altitude section in the middle of the desert that is Big Bend National Park, repopulated themselves in the 1980s, by fording the Rio Grande from Mexico and walking across the desert.

    https://www.nps.gov/bibe/learn/nature/bears.htm

    Presumably there will be no Wall built in such a remote area … in the middle of a river. There are only s few roads out towards Midland-Odessa, and they are swarming with CBP cruisers.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  9. If the bears do enough damage, will it be called The Great Migration? Will Brown Bears from Mexico be considered better neighbors?

  10. Actually, the black bears, in particular, prefer Nevada but are lousy with directions. Utah is their second favorite. But, alas, they’d get lost as the proverbial goose if they set out on their own. Perhaps Sailer could use his old black Honda to Fly Away Home them to black bear paradise.

  11. jim jones says:

    Reese Witherspoon`s mistake was not bringing a man along to carry her rucksack.

  12. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    As the English say, ‘you’ll just have to grin and bear it’.

  13. IHTG says:

    Hey Unz, how come the RSS feed keeps pushing empty pages?

  14. IHTG says:

    The governor fired Gentry was fired as Fish & Game Commissioner.

    Messed up grammar.

  15. tyrone says:

    Those bears are the children of Yogi ……..of course they’re after your picnic basket.

  16. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    On Lithgows:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Lithgow,_2nd_Baronet

    once told a friend of mine how happy he was to see all “his” fabulously constructed ship-grade metal “huts” dotted around the gardens of workers living in the houses ranged along the hill above his shipyard. Some still in good condition today, fifty years on.

  17. I want an animated TV show called the “Australia of Bears” with one of the principal characters based on this guy.

  18. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I watched part of the original (the lead was the Scandanavian actor who is well known in U.
    S.) it was preposterous. Not sure was worthy of a remake. Anglin has been having a field day with the Liam revelations.

  19. The guy who was eaten in NJ was a Hindu Legal Immigrant-Graduate School School Rutgers STEM….The 700 pound Male Black Bear who ate him was pissed that his Black Bear habitat in rural NJ….Raritan Mountains……is being paved over to provide McMansion Housing for NJ’s rapidly growing Hindu-Sihk Population…..

    This 700 pound Male Black was videoed by his lunch time meal….several seconds before lunch time….aren’t iphones an amazing technology?…

    NJ’s Sierra Club for years argued that NJ had a chronic shortage of Hindu and Sihk Legal Immigrants……For those of you who remember electrical engineer Perry Lorenz…..Perry Lorenz got into an email exchange debate with the head of the NJ SIERRA CLUB…and this is exactly what she told Perry Lorenz in the email exchange-true story…….Perry Lorenz was the guy who got into an email debate with the President of Guam about Legal Immigrants…..I believe this was covered on Vdare.com….certain that it was….

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  20. In Central Florida we’re having a problem with black bears. They’re being unreasonable in the face of demographic destiny.

    1) They look like really big black labs, but when they play fetch, they turn it into a game of keep away.
    2) My very large, brown dog leaves enormous pile of brown dog scat. Black bear scat is black. Haven’t seen polar bear scat lately.
    3) Thet tend to vote irresponsibly, going with whomever has the most convincing smear campaign.
    4) They eat cats. Cats eat rodents, and rodents have rights, too. Ergo: Black bears commit bad_eat.
    5) My rather large dog goes all ferocius hunter whenever he senses a bear close by (as when we pass a vacant lot at night), but his reaction to coyotes is different. Coyotes, too eat cats. This is an example of Good coyotes showing us good_eat behavior.
    6) Our black bears are indigenous, but the coyotes are recent immigrants. Consequently, the coyotes receive preferred treatment. They’re who the bears are.

  21. Grizzly (a.k.a., brown bears) are large and aggressive. So, they’re not around in California anymore. Black bears are more reasonable — don’t threaten their cubs and they probably won’t attack you. (Warning: probably is not always. For example, a few years ago a guy got eaten by a bear in New Jersey.) So, black bears have replaced grizzly bears in California.

    Bear lore has it that if a Grizzly attacks, play dead cuz brown bears prefer live meat and brown bears will attack for reasons other than to eat, but if a black bear attacks, fight back, cuz black bears only attack for food

  22. bomag says:

    I’m shocked, shocked! that Cali officials have been dumping foreigners in southern Cali since 1933.

    Ron Unz will be around to gloat that the newcomers have a lower crime rate than the natives. If ya’ll are attacked by a bear, or change your lifestyle on account of the bears, just lie back and thing of the low crime rate.

    • LOL: TWS
  23. Arclight says:

    How dare we wonder if these bears carry any problematic traits? They are descended from the original inhabitants of the land and deserve to roam and settle wherever they please – it would be immoral to try to keep them confined to a specific area. Or so I’m told.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  24. @Arclight

    How dare we wonder if these bears carry any problematic traits?

    Well, to the extent that any of it might be true, we know for certain that it’s entirely the fault of white male human colonizers and that without this abject bearist oppression they’d have all turned out as Boston Bruins attending Harvard and MIT preparatory to becoming bearintists, bearyers, and beartors..

    The obvious solutions include an academic curriculum of Bear Grievance Studies, universal bearcare, provision of free nuts/berries/picnic baskets, and a massive federal bureaucracy providing employment and handouts so single black bear mamas can support as many black bear cubs from different black bear baby daddies as possible. Midnight bearaball programs are also required.

    #EndBearismNow!

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  25. And speaking of bears brings to mind the character of the men who made a career of hunting them. This must be an inherently intriguing topic and an enduring archetype. Even Hollywood was interested enough to make that movie Jeremiah Johnson starring Robert Redford in which the mountain men characters talk about going after “grizz”.

    I mean, what motivates a guy to go hunting the most dangerous predator on Earth with a single shot rifle? (one that takes the better part of a minute to reload?)

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. I want Nathan Phillips and his whole “tribe”, plus grizzlies, and mountain lions, all repatriated to their native habitat inside Nancy Pelosi’s walled compound. Eventually, one of the three might eat her one morning when she walks out her front door…

  27. Anon7 says:

    Wild is a truly terrible movie. That year, my wife and I made an effort to see all of the Oscar-worthy movies, so that’s my excuse.

    Imagine watching a woman act her way through a movie with the meanest possible expression and affect, for two hours. It was torture to watch.

    During the film, she destroyed her marriage with heroin addiction and random pickup sex. At the end of the film, she felt better about herself, and stated in a voice-over that this justified all of her behavior, the adultery, drug addiction, divorce, abortion, not to mention two endless hours of bitch face.

  28. prosa123 says:

    There are four zones in North America in which the ranges of black, grizzly and polar bears overlap. Two of these are small areas in Alaska, no more than a few hundred square miles each, one northeast of Bethel and the other east of Kotzebue. The third zone is considerably larger than the prior two, several hundred miles east-west though much narrower north to south. It begins in eastern Alaska around where the Brooks Range gives way to the North Slope, and extends eastward through the northern Yukon and into the Northwest Territories. The fourth zone is probably the largest, a more or less square area on the western shore of Hudson Bay centered on the Manitoba-Nunavit border.

    More animal range trivia: nineteen states in the US have permanent moose populations. In decreasing order of population size they are Alaska, Maine, Idaho, New Hampshire, Montana, Vermont, Minnesota, Washington, Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, Massachusetts, New York, Wyoming, Michigan, Connecticut, Oregon, Nevada and Wisconsin.

    • Replies: @Lot
  29. My wife and I travelled through Pa. this past fall. Part of the ride back home was on Hwy.62 which skirts the Alleghany National Forrest. Driving along I saw what I thought was a piece of truck tire in the road ahead. Turned out to be a yearling black bear cub, laying on it’s back. I slowed, I could see the cub was injured but not dead. Sad. I looked in my rearview mirror and see a guy talking on his cell phone walking toward us. His pick up was parked off the road in the opposite direction. He waved us on. Who in their right mind approaches a wounded bear cub? Pa. is home to about 18,000 black bears and Adirondack Park in NY, is home to about 5000 black bears. A couple of years ago I remember reading that hunters took 3500 black bears in Pa. Never knew there was that many bears around here. There is an occasional sighting in our area, but more south at the Pa/NY border.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @Pat Boyle
  30. @Svigor

    Liam Neeson has sated the bloodlust of the Twitter lynch mob this week.

    All smirking Catholic teenagers, MAGA hat wearers, white hispanics, policemen with an instinct for self preservation, people who impersonated Michael Jackon in the ’80’s, and white gentiles who live near poorly tied-down Sukkot huts in windy areas should be grateful for the reprieve.

  31. WesTex says:

    I was up near the Montana/Canadian border a few years back on my way to Banf. There was an enormous Grizzly with her cub drinking from a stream near the side of the road. About 30 cars were just parked in the middle of the highway watching. Truly an amazing site.

  32. donut says:

    When the ship would dock in Valdez we weren’t allowed off the dock except by the shuttle to town because bears would occasionally roam around the area .

  33. And what haunts me,

    is that in all the faces

    of all the bears

    that Treadwell ever filmed,

    I discover no kinship,

    no understanding, no mercy.

    I see only the overwhelming

    indifference of nature.

    To me, there is no such thing

    as a secret world of the bears.

    And this blank stare speaks

    only of a half-bored interest in food.

    -Werner Herzog

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  34. Paul Rise says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Was that movie any good, or at least amusing?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  35. @Svigor

    What a racist! Liam Neeson has a woman close to him raped by a black man and reacts like that? It’s not like someone asked to touch his hair.

  36. Lots more snow coming this week in Tahoe, and it’s reaching down pretty far into the foothills. We went skiing the other day and everything was buried in new snow. So freaking cold to be outside all day!

    Grizzly bears were the bane of the CA Indians. They lived their lives in terror of the creatures, doing all they could in their paganism to appease bear spirits. some wild animals just don’t mix well with human beings.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
  37. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    VA gov Northam is drawing upon the talismanic power of Genius T Coates’ essay to survive.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/virginia-gov-ralph-northam-survival-plan

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  38. @Reg Cæsar

    Just what is the UCLA Bruin, anyway?

    Apparently one of those transverse ranges grizzlies from the before time, who just wandered down onto campus.

    To bad for them, they aren’t around now. They could stroll onto campus and enjoy a coed or two who didn’t want to be speciesist.

  39. @Svigor

    Liam Neeson is Irish. Melvin Gibson is of mostly Irish ancestry.

    I have a Sullivan ancestor. He fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War against the British Empire in the 1st North Carolina Regiment of Militia.

    My ancestor, Jeremiah Sullivan, was half Irish and half French or Belgian. His mother’s surname was Dameron.

    Jeremiah Sullivan married a woman named Humphries.

    Liam Neeson and Mel Gibson are high-spirited guys with a lot of passion. All people of total or partial Irish blood should be proud of them.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Svigor
  40. Altai says:

    OT: But I found an interesting interview with Putnam from Australia which intersects with three kinds of Sailer-bait. Social capital, new words and obsessions about country club Anti-Semitism. (The poor being shut out apparently isn’t an issue as Maureen Dowd and others observed, the rising Jewish elite had no interest in ending the system, just controlling it for themselves)

    In an interview with the ABC in Australia with James Panichi. (I checked, he isn’t Sephardic but does identify as ‘Italian-Australian’) they stop beating around the bush and the interviewer complains about ‘dark side to social capital‘. (‘Bad social capital’) He phrases it purely in terms of elite old boys clubs but clearly he is also hinting at ethnicities (Read the native stock of Western countries) trying to retain control over territory and public resources in the face of outsiders whose presence they didn’t consent to. Thus in order to accommodate the presence of people with ‘diverse’ identities the whole of society needs to be broken up, ‘opened up’ so the outsider can partake in it’s benefits. In essence the optimal functioning of the host society needs to be handicapped so others can exploit it. ‘Social capital’ (read: Collective functioning) for me (‘Good social capital’) but not for thee. (‘Bad social capital’)

    [MORE]

    James Panichi: Is there a dark side to social capital?…[L]let me give you an Australian example. There are the old school networks of people who’ve been to private schools; there’s Masonic Lodges, there are social clubs which the old establishment social clubs in both Melbourne and Sydney which are more or less anti-semitic, I mean there are real institutions which a lot of Australians would have problems with, and who they would say, ‘Look this is an example of social capital that is not necessarily good, it’s about people doing deals behind closed doors’.

    Robert Putnam: I don’t disagree with that at all. I don’t disagree with that at all, I mean after all, I’ve not said all networks are good, I just said networks are very powerful and they can have powerful positive effects and powerful negative effects. But all the examples you used of what I would call bonding social capital, and this is a very clear distinction made in the literature, bonding social capital refers to my ties to people like me, so my ties to other white, elderly, male, professors, that’s my bonding social capital, and bridging social capital are my ties to people unlike me, to people of a different generation, race, a different religion, different ethnicity, I’m not saying always bridging good, bonding bad, but in general examples that you used are negatively used social capital; social capital is used to the detriment of other people, are mostly bonding social capital within the upper class, and one of the things we’re currently working on actually in America, is the apparent discovery that while social capital is rising among kids from upper middle class backgrounds, my grandchildren are connected… but they’re connected with other people and they’re dressed for success, they’re going to do just fine. But our research shows that working class kids or kids from lower classes, white and black, this is not a matter of race, kids from lower class backgrounds, increasingly in America, are isolated, they’re less likely to go to church than working class kids used to, they’re less likely to belong to organisations like the Scouts than working class kids used to be. They spend less time with their parents, they have fewer friends at school, they’re much lower in social trust, trust in their environment, they are in short, increasingly socially isolated. Actually that’s the problem here that I’m most concerned about at the moment, because I think after 9/11 there was kind of a burst of social capital, or interest in civic life among American young people. I think the basic Bowling Alone trend has now begun to turn, but in a way it’s begun to turn in the worst possible way in the sense that it’s the upper class kids from upper class backgrounds who are more connected and working class kids are really left entirely on their own, and that’s a serious problem.

    Full interview here:
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/archived/nationalinterest/healthy-wealthy-happy-social-capitalists-rule/3010538

  41. Lot says:

    The caption from Steve’s photo, which was taken 3 days ago:

    “From the top of a hill after a bitterly cold storm system finally finished passing through, the City of Angels sparkles in the morning sun while brilliant fresh white snow glows in the background. I recall the first time I encountered a photo of the Los Angeles skyline with snow-capped mountains behind. It was just a seemingly bizarre sight considering southern California’s association with warm weather. Aligned just behind the tallest buildings in downtown Mount San Antonio, also known as Mount Baldy, towers 10,064 feet above the Los Angeles basin and the is highest point in Los Angeles County. The clear skies below mask what must have been miserably windy conditions on the peak evidenced by the snow blowing thousands of feet into the air from the summit. The clear skies give way to turbulent conditions just to the east of Cucumonga Peak on the right. And the white paint of the snow descends down all the way to around the 1 mile mark in elevation.

    For the first several weeks that I lived here I didn’t even know that Mount Baldy was there. Deep summer haze hid it entirely. One day the skies cleared and suddenly this massive mountain was visible all the way to the beach. Thereafter I have always treasured the first morning after a winter storm when the air becomes crisp and crystal clear like it was yesterday morning here.”

  42. Lot says:
    @prosa123

    I remember a Mainer claiming they had far more moose than Alaska per square mile.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  43. We used to spend summers at a cabin immediately adjacent to Yosemite Park. The big black bears in the park used to get very (very) comfortable with humans and began to associate us with food. They were big and not really afraid of us. Some were lighter colored (cinnamon).

    The park rangers would trap the more obnoxious bears and dump them outside the park. Guess where? Yep.

    Large and aggressive? Yep.

  44. @Lot

    Yes it’s an incredibly amazing setup. Sunny warm Mediteranean climate beach … to alpine lakes and mountains in one view and within an hours drive.

    So why exactly have we had to cede this back to Mexico? Because someone’s nana came through Ellis Island? Great.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Lot
  45. Altai says:

    Also OT: To add to my collection of Sailer’s first rule of female journalism.

    My Jewish Features Aren’t Ugly—History Is
    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/anti-semitism-talk

    Throughout most of my adolescence, I grew up thinking that there was something off about the way that I looked, something not quite right about the curly hair and glasses. In retrospect, I can now identify the source of my discomfort about my own appearance:

    I looked like Anne Hathaway in “The Princess Diaries,” but pre-makeover-montage. You know, when she wasn’t quite pretty enough to be a real princess just yet.

    Yes, that was (practically) how I looked in middle school.

    As I’ve gotten older, though, I’ve begun to ask myself why this is seen as unattractive. I was a cute kid. Anne Hathaway was beautiful here, too. Why have I spent much of my youth being subliminally told that girls who look like me need to be transformed in order to be happy? What was wrong with looking as I did?

    Historically, it might have something to do with Semetic features.

    Witches in modern context were originally coded as Jewish, though the connection is now somewhat more innocuous. Jews have always been associated by Christian majorities of “working with the devil”, but during the Inquisition, this was taken a step further when it was spread that Jews drank blood of Christians and performed black magic unto them – even though Jewish law specifically prohibits consumption of blood. Such connections between Jewry and nefarious sorcery continued to persist past the Inquisition, with Jews being accused of nefarious sorcery all throughout much of European history. To further implicate anti-semitism in the matter, the 1215 Council of the Lateran required all Jews to wear pointy hats – which may have become the staple of the modern pointy witch’s hat.

    When you consider the large noses, wiry dark hair, and avarice often stereotypically associated with Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jews, you also get images often associated with the modern ideal of the witch.

    Though Jews in Europe were hardly ever burned as witches (they were too busy being burned as Jews instead), the lasting impact of the characterization has less to do with actual witch hunts, and more to do with modern cinematic portrayals.

    This quickly developed into characterizations such as this, which I grew up seeing, and which I was meant to associate with – well, if not ugliness, then certainly distrustfulness.If she has any beauty at all, it is that which is stolen and not rightfully hers.

    When this is how you’ve seen people like yourself portrayed for your entire life, how is that supposed to make you feel?

    There are other covert instances of antisemitism found in daily life – such as using “globalist” as an insult – but which would need to be the subject of a totally different article.

    So… she’s saying she looked like a witch? But that she wasn’t ugly because the only reason we consider a witch to be ugly is because they’re ‘coded as Jewish’? Or is it that avarice should really be considered a virtue except it’s associated with Jews?

    This one is brilliant, she wasn’t frumpy in high school, it’s just the long shadow of the Council of the Lateran!

    She doesn’t look terribly stereotypically Jewish so I assume ‘Anti-Semitism’ just an excuse she came up with. But she doesn’t look like a very pleasant person to me. She looks… difficult.

    • LOL: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  46. Black bears did not naturally exist in the San Gabriel Mountains,

    This surprises me. Black bears seem to be fine almost anywhere. And it’s not like this required the bears to tolerate some sweltering 115 degree lowland desert. The two passes in the Tehachapi are both above 4000 ft. (Of course, i’ve driven over Tejon like everyone else. Never been to Tehachapi, but next time i’m in the area i intend to tour around there and Cajon–i’m interested in railroads and geography involved, especially in traversing mountains.)

    Anyway the Tehachapi would seem to provide a perfectly bear-acessible corridor to the transverse ranges.

    I have a different theory for the historical black bear absence. The brown bears were “restrictionist”.

  47. @Svigor

    Michael Caine has suggested that shady elements of unknown origins publicized the highly entertaining rant of Christian Bale in order to drum up business for a movie that Bale was in.

    Cain cheerfully said he would sometimes rant on movie sets when he was younger, and his rants would go on longer than Bale’s rant.

    Cold calculations win battles and box office wars.

    I hate to break it to Bale or Neeson, but nobody can top Mel Gibson for rants.

    Melvin Gibson ranting at Joe Eszterhas can’t be topped. Anybody who doesn’t agree with the preceding is a damned dolt!

    Mel Gibson:

    Why Don’t I Have A First Draft Of The Maccabees? What The Phuck Have You Been Doing?

    I’ll Type It!

    Who Wants To Eat?

    Who The Fuck Wants To Eat?

    Hooray!

  48. ‘…it would be interesting to know if they carry any “problematic” behavioral traits like their 1933 ancestors, or have instead regressed back to the mean of Sierra bears…’

    I’d guess the behavior of bears is always ‘problematic’ — i.e., if there’s no risk of being shot, they’ll promptly discover what great sources of food humans are.

    I’ve never had trouble with bears. But then, I always backpack in National Forests, as opposed to National Parks. Being at risk of being hunted seems to make bears shy. Go figure.

    Still, I suppose the deported bears would likely have been more inquisitive and/or aggressive than the average — and such traits really do seem to be hereditary, at least among humans.

  49. Grizzly (a.k.a., brown bears) are large and aggressive. So, they’re not around in California anymore.

    Given California has 40 million people now–about three times its population when i was born–seems like a reintroduction of the grizzly is overdue.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Senator Brundlefly
  50. @Buffalo Joe

    Black Bears are like raccoons in certain parts of Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

    Along the Delaware River they have to have telephone pole bear bag contraptions for campers to stash their food overnight. They cover the telephone poles with sheet metal to prevent the bears from climbing them. The scratch marks from the bear claws on the sheet metal makes you glad they are on the sheet metal and not you.

    Biggest Black Bear I ever saw was in Pennsylvania. Much bigger than any NFL lineman and faster and they climb trees like nothing.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @utu
    , @JMcG
  51. prosa123 says:
    @Lot

    I remember a Mainer claiming they had far more moose than Alaska per square mile.

    Absolutely true. Alaska has an area of 663,300 square miles and an estimated moose population of 175,000; Maine is 35,380 square miles with a moose population estimate of 76,000. Something like nine times the density in the Pine Tree State.

    Moose are expanding their range in many places. For instance, until about 20 years ago there was no permanent moose population in Connecticut. Every few years a young bull in search of new territory would wander into the state from points north but wouldn’t stay long. Today there’s a permanent, breeding population of at least 100.

  52. There is a monastery in Bosnia where they keep black bears as pets.

    Their home page is in some Balkan language I do not understand which google translate recognizes as Bosnian. I couldn’t find feeding budget for the bears anywhere but I guess feeding pet bears is not that cheap.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    , @Lot
  53. @prosa123

    prosa, I have seen moose in Northern Ontario, when fishing a lake 200 miles north of Thunder Bay. Huge animals. NY has moose, but not that many. Most live in the Adirondack Preserve, which is six million acres of State and private land. This month the DEC did a fly over survey and counted 175 total. Miniscule compared to Maine, but I would have thought there would be more if Ct. has 100. Must have moved to Maine because of our high taxes.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  54. HA says:
    @Steve Sailer

    >Did Liam Neeson get the plot for his new movie about a snowplow driver from “Daddy’s Home 2”

    Seems very unlikely. His movie about the snowplow driver, “Cold Pursuit”, is a remake of the 2014 Norwegian film “In Order of Disappearance”, which is also about a snowplow driver.

    Whereas “Daddy’s Home” and “Daddy’s Home 2” came out in 2015 and 2017.

    There’s also the “Mr. Plow” episode of the Simpsons, but that was in 1992, and I don’t think it’s all that similar to the Norwegian film.

  55. @AnotherDad

    AGREED!

    Yeah, along with the rest of California, there are some of the most beautiful features, varied climates, and other wonders of nature that I don’t think can be found in any one other state (maybe country, dunno).

    It was the closest thing to a Paradise ever seen on Earth, but is no longer.

    They called it paradise.
    I don’t know why
    you call someplace paradise,
    and kiss it goodbye.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  56. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought Steve was making up a cast for a fake movie until I saw the response.

    Are light-featured Northern European men milder and nicer than their dark featured relatives (like Mel and Wahlberg)?

    Stereotypes are usually true, so probably. But why would the small number of genes involved have any effect on personality?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  57. Jack D says:
    @prosa123

    The only place I have ever seen a moose in the wild was in Poland. He came out from the woods next to a highway. Enormous creature.

    OTOH, my area is completely overrun with deer. They don’t allow hunting in my township so the place is full of them. My MIL chased 3 of them from her garage yesterday. They seem to travel in groups. They are more like sullen ghetto youth than they are like Bambi. Apparently there are a lot more of them (and a lot more forest) in the Northeast now than there was in colonial times (the opening of the Midwest grain belt caused a lot of marginal farmland in the NE to revert to forest) and deer in those days was a prized commodity and hunted to the point where they were once quite rare. With natural predators, you are supposed to have around 10 deer per square mile and we have 60.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @prosa123
  58. Lot says:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/09/cory-booker-single-president-224934

    Boring article, but they choose a photo of Booker looking gay in an article that also gets into “Miss Nancy and Aunt Fancy.”

  59. syonredux says:

    Bears just want a nice place in the suburbs with a pool and a spacious backyard:

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  60. prosa123 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    New York State’s low moose population is something wildlife ecologists can’t explain. They’re much more common in neighboring Vermont.

  61. @AnotherDad

    You laugh, but there was once a plan to do more than grizzlies. Ted Turner wanted to help populate North America with Asian elephants, lions, and cheetahs.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3348441/Mammoth-task-of-reversing-history.html

    • Replies: @Corn
  62. MEH 0910 says:
    @Svigor

    • LOL: Svigor
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  63. PSR says:

    Not to be pedantic but while all grizzlies are brown bears all brown bears are not grizzlies.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    , @prosa123
  64. jb says:

    Speaking of Australia, from the NYT: Australia’s Most Important Writer Isn’t Allowed Into the Country.

    Many writers have earned prison time as well as prizes; the Nobel laureates Liu Xiaobo and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn come immediately to mind. But there seems to be no precedent for what happened in Australia last week, when an author named Behrouz Boochani won the country’s most valuable literary prize, the Victorian Prize for Literature, but was unable to collect his stipend in person. The same nation praising him is also keeping him in indefinite detention on a small island in the Pacific.

    My God people, this man was given an award! Don’t you see how important that makes him? Don’t you see how this invalidates all your petty concerns about being flooded with unassimilable foreigners???

    (I’m sure of course that the award was given purely on merit, rather than being a calculated effort to embarrass the Australian government and pressure it into opening the door for the millions of refugees that Australia needs in order to make the Outback bloom).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Vox Australis
  65. @syonredux

    Those cute black “bears” and their pool parties..

  66. The Z Blog says: • Website

    It’s ridiculous claim bears from Yosemite invaded California. Clearly, the similarities in bear culture are due to the normal cultural exchanges between populations.

    Pots not people.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  67. Pat Boyle says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I wasn’t actually chased by a black bear, But when I was 17 we went to Philmont and climbed up into the mountains. Two of us got separated from the troop at dusk. We spotted a black bear cub wandering around the woods near us. We immediately climbed a tree and stayed up their for a couple hours. We didn’t want to meet the mamma.

    Black bears can of course climb trees but we were trying to send a signal of our intentions. The old woodsman rule for telling a black bear from a grizzly was – climb a tree. If the bear climbs up after you its a black bear. If it just knocks the tree down , its a grizzly.

  68. Interesting that the length of the Pacific Crest Trail was not hiked in its entirety until possibly 1970. An 18 year old hiker named Eric Ryback allegedly hiked the trail without gloves, a pick-axe, hiking poles or even sunscreen.

    I picked up the book he wrote about his journey The High Adventure of Eric Ryback: Canada to Mexico on Foot in an off the grid hippy commune in Oregon last summer. I was surprised to find that the book was out of print and even more surprised that he likely hitchhiked certain portions of the trip. The first uncontested full length hike of the Pacific Crest Trail was not until 1972.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  69. Pat Boyle says:
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    I think you have to feed them salmon. That can get pricey.

    • Replies: @Lot
  70. Cheryl Strayed’s story depicted in Wild –based on her “true life memoir”—-was grade-A B.S. Strayed’s entire story is about as true as James Frey’s A Million Little Pieces.

    The chances that a 26-year-old female with a heroin problem and no previous hiking experience made the entire PCT trail, all alone , in one fell swoop, are so ludicrously small its laughable. An athletic male with no previous hiking experience couldn’t pull this trek off, let alone this chick.

    Strayed’s fake story is the sort of grrrrl power rot that the Leftist true believers buy hook, line, and sinker because it ratifies their religious notions about feminazism and the like. But anyone not brainwashed and familiar with hiking or the basic differences between male and female athletic ability or the effects of heroin on the human body is going to realize how full of it Strayed’s fake story is.

    Besides the physical impossibility of Strayed having done this, there’s also the obvious clues that (1) Strayed wrote this when she was in need of a hit novel; and (2) she’s an outspoken feminist, and thus appealing to her own delusions and those around her. The fact that Oprah selected Strayed’s fake tale as part of her book club is icing on the cake—Oprah is easily conned by authors with supposed “true” life tales, James Frey being one of them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  71. Pat Boyle says:
    @stillCARealist

    We’re told that Grizzly’s are in fact pussy cats next to their predecessors the Short Faced Bear. The most fearsome predator that early man ever faced. Far more powerful and deadly that those Saber Tooth cats and Dire Wolves.

  72. Corvinus says:
    @Lot

    “Are light-featured Northern European men milder and nicer than their dark featured relatives (like Mel and Wahlberg)?”

    Ask the Indians (feather, not dot).

  73. Old Prude says:
    @prosa123

    The first time I saw a bull moose up-close, my wife and I hid in fear hoping it wouldn’t see us and gore us to death*. It turns out, they are actually most times like God’s cows, wandering the landscape without fear or anger. If I win the Moose Lottery for a hunting permit, I will probably walk up to one and shoot it in the ear.

    *One of the stupidest things amongst the many stupid things in the movie Jurassic Park was the tourists running up to the dinosaurs to get a better look. In real life they’d be rummaging through their luggage for a change of underwear.

  74. @PSR

    Also, some brown bears are black and many black bears are brown.

    All the black bears that I have seen in the Sierra Nevada were brown.

  75. @The Z Blog

    -Hah – good one.

    Related issues involve questions of which human and animal behaviors are explained on the basis of genetics as opposed to those learned by the young observing their elders with respect to how a species eats and/or avoids eating or uses other species of plants and animals. There has been speculation that when the first Amerinds migrated to the Americas they encountered a “Happy Hunting Ground” (at least for a short while) given that the local critters had little or no fear of man. It seems likely that there was a rapid favoring of genes which increased avoidance of humans among, say, deer and it’s reasonable to expect that wolves and bears which considered humans to be an “easy meal” might have been culled out of the population. Also, pups and cubs learned from their parents, making avoidance of humans becoming part of their “culture.”

    A healthy, well-fed predator is in many cases unlikely to “go out of its way” to take risks of making humans its primary prey. Things may change, of course, if, say, bears, find that humans in a park are unlikely to kill them, and, in fact, have become a source of food as some people ignore the signs which read “Don’t Feed The Bears.”

    While Darwin Awards have been given to foolish humans which bears have fed upon, the effects on the human gene pool have been negligible.

    Bears don’t make pots and unlike some human scientists do not hunt ancient pots and shards – and surely haven’t fallen victim to KGB “honeypots.” A honey pot is not a natural enemy of bears with rare exceptions:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=winnie+the+pooh+head+stuck+in+honey+jar&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=dLFJiky31fKlfM%253A%252CL1Nxibl1b-aJSM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRl2yS0uIEmdp0y5pNBuFG_8yI__w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMtN_boq_gAhWY2YMKHdiQCTgQ9QEwAnoECAEQCA#imgrc=dLFJiky31fKlfM:

  76. Lot says:
    @Pat Boyle

    Canned salmon is only 99c/lb.

  77. J1234 says:

    I was surprised to read a while back that Japan currently has more grizzly bears than the lower 48 United States, at least by a narrow margin. Japan’s brown bears are called “black grizzlies” but are a sub-species of brown bear. I don’t know if they have the bad attitude of American/Canadian grizzlies, but they’re generally larger – close to Kodiak size. There were 150 human deaths by bear in Japan in the first half of the 20th century. Japan also has a black bear population, though, and as I recall they’re meaner than American black bears.

    Romania is the other smallish country with lots of brown bears for it’s size, several times more than the lower 48. My dream is to visit Romania – from the pics I’ve seen, it’s Carpathian mountains are one of the world’s truly beautiful places. Their brown bears aren’t mean like Canadian grizzlies, but they’re a problem because Romanians aren’t allowed to hunt them or shoot them for control measures. As a result, bears often end up in the wrong places or situations.

  78. @Altai

    Al, sigh, even when they can’t find an actual person to blame for their misery, blah,blah,blah. The song of the perpetually aggrieved.

  79. @Charles Pewitt

    Charles, NY has an Alleghany State park in the Southern Tier, not to be confused with the National Park in Pa. A few years back a local young man hunting in the park shot a 500 plus pound black bear. The head was huge.

    • Replies: @songbird
  80. @Jack D

    Jack, Three years ago our town in Erie County, NY had 163 reported deer-car collisions. And that’s only the reported ones. Our snow cover yard looks like a migratory route for white tails.

  81. @Anon

    I got it! A wall of bears, well, wall-to-wall bears. We put a boundary along the southern border consisting of a bear-proof fence, with viewing sites (including concessions) on the north side. There will be 500 yard habitat filled with black bears in the middle bordered on the south side with a wall. The wall must be low enough to allow those 21 ft. ladders to enable illegal invaders to get over it, but tall enought to prevent viewing and much sound passage from/through-to the south side.

    Viola! (accompanied by some bass and fiddles) Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorians will enter from the south, never arrive into the US proper (mostly non-bear country) to collect EEC on made-up children and ruin the low-end job market, and will never be heard from again in the south, having assumed to be doing well as roofers and other tradesmen … until no remitances come, at which time, the President can reassure broken-up family members down there that their loved-ones’ remittances have been taxed down to zero to pay for that nice wall down there inside of which there are absolutely no large land mammals whatsoever. (But, don’t say it like that. I know he’s a good bullshitter and not so bad with run-on sentences…)

    In the meantime, we let the NY Times and W.S. Journal reporters, who are much too lazy and used to air-conditioning to travel down there, that all the new arrivals coming through that non-effective wall have been assimilating (i.e. voting Democrat) nicely. You can’t see bears on google earth street map, can you? The big ones will eat the vehicles.

    • Replies: @Travis
  82. @bomag

    LOL. How about the all the buffalo out there on Catalina Island? Should we be glad about their arrival too? I think so. That meat is good eating, but they’re mean bastards.

  83. Corn says:
    @Senator Brundlefly

    I liked the idea that was proposed back around 1910-12 to import hippos to live in tbe bayous and swamps of Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta. Talk about dreaming big.

    • Replies: @Lot
  84. @PennTothal

    Thanks for bringing this one back up, Penn. I knew the story but had kind of forgotten from 16 years back now. It’s kind of strange how the trailer didn’t show any of that last footage and sound he his camera filmed – it’s not like it’d be a spoiler or anything.

  85. @Lot

    I meant to write this earlier, Lot, but my reply to Bomag triggered this memory back. Speaking of the smog, I’d been out there on the beaches of Los Angeles for quite a while, and one day I pointed out to my friend, who had been there longer “Hey, there’s a big island way out there! Look at that!” “Uh, yeah, that’s Catalina.” It was the first day I could see it.

  86. Corn says:
    @prosa123

    I remember about twenty years ago someone in the Department of Natural Resources proposed importing moose from out of state and settling them here in Illinois, in a state forest in the deep southern part of the state.

    The idea was quietly shot down when a few people pointed put the damage done by deer to cars, and that a creature the size of a moose would be no less harmful.

  87. songbird says:

    The way in which wild animals that live in close proximity to people are undergoing accidental selection is really an under-studied subject.

    If for instance, urban squirrels and raccoons are getting smarter, in the short time they lived with us, that seems to have much wider implications for intelligence.

  88. Dtbb says:

    I read a book years ago that referenced a journal kept by an English hunter in New England around the time of the Pilgrims. In the journal he detailed all the animals he shot. He killed many, what he called, “white bears”. I mean a shitload. What is a white bear? I have searched high and low trying to find info on this journal with no luck. Anyone have a clue? Thanks.

  89. utu says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    they climb trees like nothing

  90. @Lot

    As a kid living in San Fernando Valley during the 60s (an all middle class white area then, all brown for past 30 years.) I did not know there were mountains so close. The only time their presence was felt was when wind would blow ashes from the forest fires and cover the ground. I can still feel the smog burn sensation in my lungs when I think about it. Many days it hurt to breathe. Maybe the only thing better in LA now is that the smog has decreased.

  91. songbird says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I ate some bear recently, for the first time. It was heavily seasoned and ground. Still, I would not recommend it. Very greasy. Makes red corned beef seem like white meat. Not saying it wouldn’t be good if you’re starving.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Buffalo Joe
  92. I thought you guys wanted to kill them all and only tree-huggers care about wildlife.

    Gettin soft.

  93. @bomag

    So…you’re saying (should have posted this last night before the rush) that (along with some other posters) the rangers are not “sending their best?”

    Long before Trump used that phrase, some in the US claimed that in Europe there were collections taken up to send the village idiot (or perhaps miscreant or sociopath) to America. There has been research which suggests that there are some genes which lead to risk taking which results in an increased tendency to emigrate. Those or other genes might also increase the risk, not only of coming up with new ideas or starting businesses, but in addition, committing crimes. Other genes tend to increase the tendency to stay where one is in places which one knows among people whom one knows. Various “brain drains” OTOH are examples of some countries which *do* “send their best.” It is underappreciated that those (and for that matter, people who are by and large law-abiding and hard-working) high-achievers are much more dangerous (especially those of non-white racial groups imbued with anti-white racism) and represent a greater threat to white natives than do criminals.

    As Steve Sailer might be suggesting, Australia was not “sending its best” when it dispatched convicts to Australia. Some of them did spectacularly well as in the fictional case in Dickens’ “Great Expectations.” An environment of extreme poverty was certainly a factor with respect to some criminal activity in Britain. That might have masked the probable fact that genes positively associated with intelligence, industriousness and a tendency to avoid criminal activity were passed on to those who later committed crimes by way of downward mobility of descendants of British aristocracy. In earlier times the rich had relatively high birth rates and their children a higher chance of survival than those of the poor. Wealthy landowners gave birth to children who prospered as merchants or craftsmen and so on. (Piketty discusses primogeniture in his Big Book). It seems likely that some of their children fell into poverty through little or no fault of their own. Another eugenic factor has been suggested favoring the relative success/survival of non-criminals – the gallows even for those committing relatively trivial offenses.

    In spite of its founding stock of convicts, Australia became a wealthy, high-trust and overall “nice” place to live. Unfortunately for the Aussies (and the rest of the Anglosphere) such niceness has been exploited by some non-white immigrants – some of whom are high-achieving, but also low-trust (at least with respect to dealing with outsiders) and “clannish” ( -clannish -an old complaint about immigrants to the US). As has often been noted, the integration of different white ethnic groups in the US was very difficult and took generations to achieve. The 1924 immigration act allowed for a respite from one of the “scrambles” for America.

    Will try to wrap this up with a weak link to bears. While Googling the best-seller “The Fatal Shore (The Epic of Australia’s Founding),” came across mention of Port Arthur – as in Martin Bryant, the Tasmanian devil who massacred many and also as in “Arthur” – a cognate for “bear” in many Indo-European languages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

  94. Lot says:
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    The genes that make dogs domestic apply to other mammals.

    Some further advances in crispr and we’ll have 90lb floppy ear domestic teddy bears.

    Domestic rabbit:

    Russian semi-domestic fox:

    Scottish fold breed domestic cat:

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  95. JMcG says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Mel Gibson’s mother is Irish born. County Longford. I believe St. Mel is the patron saint of County Longford.

  96. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Because someone’s nana came through Ellis Island?”

    Is that the Koch Brothers’ motivation? Paul Ryan’s? Merkel’s?

  97. JMcG says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    The record setting black bear taken in PA is somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 lbs. It’ll be a couple more years before offensive linemen get that heavy.

  98. prosa123 says:
    @PSR

    Not to be pedantic but while all grizzlies are brown bears all brown bears are not grizzlies.

    In Alaska they’re the same species. Those near the coastlines are called brown bears, Kodiak bears on the island of the same name, while those inland are called grizzlies.

  99. prosa123 says:
    @Jack D

    Allowing deer hunting in densely (human) populated areas is problematic because rifle bullets can travel a very long way. Traditionally the solution was to require the use of shotgun slugs in these areas, as they have a much shorter range, but that was far from ideal because slugs are not particularly accurate and are unpleasant to fire.
    More recently some populated areas now allow the use of straight-walled rifle cartridges for deer, as their bullets don’t travel quite as far as bullets from conventional tapered cartridges. The 450 Bushmaster, which can be found in both standard and AR-platform rifles, is the most popular of these, while other choices include the ancient 45-70, 38-55 and 45 Long Colt, and the 357 and 44 magnum revolver cartridges when chambered in rifles. Demand is such that Winchester just introduced a new straight-walled cartridge, the rather optimistically named 350 Legend.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @JMcG
  100. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve:

    I was always under the impression that Neeson was (or professed to be) a bleeding heart liberal. Maybe he had to be that way since he was married into the far left Richardson family. So in retrospect maybe he isn’t that bad after all!

  101. @prosa123

    My BIL says in his neighborhood, if they get a nuisance bear, they’re allowed to shoot it with a muzzle-loader. Does that sound right? Why would that style of gun be preferred?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Anonymous
  102. @Lot

    There is nothing domestic about a rabbit. Vicious creatures. But dogs are worse.

  103. @R.G. Camara

    “The chances that a 26-year-old female with a heroin problem and no previous hiking experience made the entire PCT trail, all alone , in one fell swoop, are so ludicrously small its laughable”

    In the movie, she didn’t make the entire Pacific Coast Trail. She started at Tehachapi, and hiked up to the southern edge of the High Sierra at Kennedy Meadows (maybe 136 miles?) and then was blocked by deep snow packs in the High Sierra. So she took a bus to Northern California, where the Sierras are lower and then walked through Oregon, which is likely the least strenuous part of the PCT. I think the movie ends with her crossing the Columbia River into Washington rather than the Canadian border. So maybe a quarter or a third of the whole distance.

    My impression is that a pretty high proportion of long distance hikers are women. For example, I was reading a blog by an Englishwoman who made it the whole way on the PCT, with her husband. She was pretty frank about how difficult it was for her physically, and marveled at some of the feats of strength by guys they hiked with in terms of lugging heavy backpacks. But you can go pretty lightweight these days with packs.

    Seems like a fair percentage of long distance hikers are male-female couples. It’s kind of lonely and dull unless you are with somebody you really, really like, such as, hopefully, your spouse.

    It’s kind of like these ultra-long distance jogging contests through the mountains that are sometimes won by women. Women never win regular running races at any distance up to 26 miles, but out over 100+ miles some start to be in the running. Whether ultra long distance is more like marathoning or more like long distance swimming, at which women have been pretty good since Gertrude Ederle swam the English Channel is terra incognita for me.

    • Replies: @BDDD
    , @R.G. Camara
  104. @MEH 0910

    Liam Neeson’s best film is Rob Roy (1995).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  105. @Change that Matters

    This bloke is a clown.
    Real Aussies don’t help the cops in any way.
    For instance, if the driver was drunk or stoned, his shop owner mate would be wiped by the insurance company, which is probably what happened.

  106. @Achmed E. Newman

    The ongoing Reconquista and the tech industry make my native state unlivable.

  107. I always thought there was a distinction between the California brown bear, and Grizzly bear. I always understood with a brown bear encounter, you stand half a chance, and with a grizzly, you’re dead.

    They don’t need you to upset their cubs. Grizzly’s that aren’t well fed tend to consider you as prey from the get-go, as I’ve understood. If you’re on a bike, or in a kayak, they’ll chase you for as long as they have to, if they can. And then, they will kill and eat you.

    Seems there’s disagreement amongst the experts on the different sub species of brown bears, however.

    • Replies: @David
  108. BDDD says:
    @Steve Sailer

    In the movie, she didn’t make the entire Pacific Coast Trail. She started at Tehachapi, and hiked up to the southern edge of the High Sierra at Kennedy Meadows (maybe 136 miles?) and then was blocked by deep snow packs in the High Sierra…

    I noticed with Witherspoon in “Election” that her legs seemed to stop developing at the age of 12. No musculature. Just these skinny sticks. Watching her hiking in shorts on those two twigs, as well as carrying that ridiculously overstuffed backpack, made it impossible to believe. That little girl would cramp up into a fetal position, her legs aglow with lactic acid, within a few days. Just no way.

    Pee Wee Herman would fare better.

  109. J.Ross says: • Website

    Steve, re-read the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph, feel free to not post this.

  110. J.Ross says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    >He doesn’t know about hunters and hunt licensing doing far more to conserve wildlife than any pothead in a Peta shirt

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  111. prosa123 says:

    Here’s an informative piece by a female Alaska hunting and fishing guide about being around brown/grizzly bears:
    https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/big-brown-bears-via-tia-alaska-guide/

  112. J.Ross says: • Website
    @songbird

    And you can only carry one hundred pounds back to the wagon anyway.

    • LOL: songbird
  113. J.Ross says: • Website
    @jb

    This illustrates why such awards exist, and why a sovereign and self-aware nation would eliminate them.

  114. J.Ross says: • Website
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Which is, oddly enough, a rape-revenge action flick set in para-Enlightenment Scotland.
    When he says he has a very specific set of skills, he’s not kidding. Nobody remembers him in Excalibur because Guenivere consented.

  115. @Paul Rise

    I saw Daddys Home One at the hospital where a friend was laid up. We thought it pretty funny. Its hard to get good comedy these days. Wahlberg and Farrell made a good team.
    The Bob Hope theme,as Dear Leader has discussed, ,of the less masculine man encountering the much more masculine man, with the beautiful women in between as hilarity ensues, was done very well. Farrell is reliably funny as that wobbly kind of guy and Markie is Markie.
    I haven’t seen Daddy 2 but with Mel Gibson…gonna be some laughs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  116. Speaking of transient bears, the small State of Delaware in May 2016 had a visit by a large black bear traversing diagonally from Chester County, Pa, thru Newark De. (with its large State University) and onward to southern Aberdeen, Md. For 60+ miles American citizens documented this interloper in sightings and scat.

    I was lucky to see this Yogi bear as it crossed the west side of Newark near college dorms and lumbered steadily along a minor creek, complete with female police officer monitoring with assault rifle at the ready. No wall or ICE agent stopped this immigrant on his way south.

    While much development in the Eastern seaboard, there are large swatches of open land in this region, either farm (quickly disappearing into McMansions or developments), occasional Revolutionary battlefields, or land donated by the disappearing DuPont clan. Deer, fox, raccoons are making large comebacks because of restrictions in hunting and ample scraps from humans.

    Probably crossing just south of the Conowingo Dam (that area is rich with fish and a growing population of eagles feeding), Delabear (so named by the First State) has found employment in Maryland where he can ravage trashcans and do the jobs that legal citizens won’t.

    Having seen in California firsthand illegal immigrants fleeing from a Border checkpoint, I have to say in this case, Delabear, while getting some air time on TV, will not be on the public dole soon.

  117. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of brown bears: Kodiak bears are a full subspiecies of brown bears – despite being isolated from other brown bears for only ~ 12,000 years. They are much bigger than grizzlies and a lot less aggressive. But no, there are no human subspecies and no innate behavioral differences between human groups long-isolated from each other.

  118. Look Ma! No Clans!
    Or: “Less Than Zero”
    Or: Base 5? Base 10? Base Bear Claw?
    (the last sounds downright delicious)

    I never read any of Jean Marie Auel’s caveman series

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_M._Auel

    It’s reasonable to assume that it was middle, if not low-brow, which means I probably would have liked ’em – and I gots the brow ridges to go along with it.

    I only saw a bit of “The Clan of the Cave Bear” while cable surfing, but found the below on the net. In it Ayla seems to stand on the robust shoulders of a Neanderthal as she invents what looks like a Base 5 or 10 system of numbering. She seems to have stopped short of a place holder such as the zero. The Geico caveman series which began in 2004 doubtless owed much to Auel’s enormously popular works. There has been a lot of progress since Neolithic times with respect to tools and surely the “Name Your Price Tool” of Progressive Auto Insurance would require somewhere within in it The Zero.

    http://www.math.harvard.edu/~knill/various/clan/index.html

    Googling failed to yield a clip of a scene which I *did* see – that of a battle with an enormous cave bear. A troop of Neandertalers seems to have started a “war,” perhaps more of choice than necessity, in entering a cave. If memory serves a risk-taking young adult male leaps onto the back of the neck and shoulders of a bear in order to impress Ayla (now of reproductive age). He is then, (alas, my dear Ayla) sadly, decapitated.

    There is some feminism seen in Ayla breaking the taboo against so much as a touch of a “hunting weapon” by a female. There is evidence that humans in what is now Israel lived side-by-side and/or sequentially with Neanderthals or even earlier hominids.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manot_Cave
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-humans/oldest-human-remains-outside-africa-found-in-israeli-cave-idUSKBN1FE2SY
    The Biblical account of David vs Goliath suggests that the former had outrageously good aim with a sling. The clip below shows Neanderthals suffering from the outrageously bad aim with a sling (unlike the times of Shakes Spear, Hamlet and Henry V’s Agincourt, no arrows are seen).

    Ayla does the nasty with a Neandertal and thereafter has a son, but the Cave Bear clans have gone the way of the aurochs*, leaving only a percent or two of them in the genome of most Europeans.

    *Aurochs https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs
    Also see Vladimir Nabokov’s
    “I am thinking of aurochs and angels, the secret of durable pigments, prophetic sonnets, the refuge of art. And this is the only immortality you and I may share, my Lolita.”
    Among the “durable pigments” would be those found in caves. The story of Ayla (played by Daryl Hannah -unlike most replicants, such as Daryl’s “Pris” in Blade Runner 2019, Ayla is capable of reproduction) is less creepy than that of Lolita (I’ve read only a bit of it, ‘cuz it *is* creepy) or the likely historical Aisha – who was schtupped by Mohammed perhaps around the age of nine.

    See also: Sioux, counting coup, Jeremiah Johnson, counting Blackfeet, counting Crow, Algeria, counting black feet/Pied-Noir, Neanderthals, counting Cro-Magnon?

  119. @Father O'Hara

    The meta-joke in the Christmas movie “Daddy’s Home 2” where they go on Christmas to see Liam Neeson in a Christmas action movie “Missile Tow” is that even the original “Daddy’s Home” seemed less like a real movie than a made-up movie that shows up in a poster in an executive’s office in a satirical movie about Hollywood. It’s the real life equivalent of Ben Stein’s series of six “Scorcher” global warming action movies in “Tropic Thunder.”

    And yes, the original “Daddy’s Home” is pretty good. The sequel has some funny jokes but doesn’t really maintain over the length of the movie.

  120. Lot says:
    @Corn

    Pablo Escobar’s hippos have adapted and spread in Colombia:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27905743

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  121. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Terrifying. Somebody was speculating whether the reason hippos (which are ridiculous and cute until you see how big and self-assured they are) are so vicious in African rivers is because they had evolved next to crocodiles. Maybe developing in a new environment with different predation will make gentler hippos?

    • Replies: @Lot
  122. David says:
    @gzzilyadmz

    Brown bears in the Brooks range will charge you to within 20 or 30 feet and veer off. If you run, they will run you down. If you stand still, they will run away as if they are afraid. Brown bears will rough up a person that violates their space, like coming near their cubs or a kill, without intending much harm. Just schooling. Brown bears rarely see humans as prey.

    Black bears usually act afraid of humans, but if they attack outside the context of cubs, it’s a predatory attack. They eat the people they kill.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @hardy
  123. @stillCARealist

    Shorter-ranged, in most configurations, than modern rifles, but because a single-shot, people would aim more carefully than a shotgun.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  124. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    An adult-size Hungry Hungry Hippos would be a great bar game.

  125. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @David

    I think it was Jeff Cooper who stated that if you are where bears are, carry a heavy rifle or if not allowed, do not go there.

    A straight walled round like a .45-70 or .444 Marlin will do. No manufacturer will make a pump gun, like a shotgun, for these but that would be excellent bear medicine, except in the cases of the largest grizzlies, for which .50 BMG would be comforting but nothing less than a .375 H&H really adequate.

  126. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Black Irish travelers no doubt

  127. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    Old style muzzle loaders shot a round lead ball and were not very long range weapons, little better than a shotgun shooting the right slugs through a rifled barrel. (Yes, there is such a thing.)

    They now have “modern muzleloaders” that shoot modern bullets and approach modern rifles ballistically.

  128. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The bear hunters were paid very well and for many macho men it’s a more fun job than farming mining construction clerical type jobs.

  129. hardy says:
    @Anonymous

    Although it’s been said by people with experience that bear spray is better than nothing:

  130. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    Remington’s 7600 is the only centerfire rifle in current production. Loaded in 30-06, especially with the heavier (though hard to find) 200- or 220-grain bullets, it will be sufficient.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  131. @songbird

    Song, Thank you I’ll pass on the bear burger.

  132. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123

    .30-06 is a long traveling bullet. In many bear-ridden areas a round with shorter ballistics would be preferable. Otherwise I would recommend .375 H&H, it has the penetration and the energy to really whack a bear properly. It will also go through one end of a house and out the other.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  133. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Most laws will permit the use of a muzzleloading double rifle, which are usually a lot cheaper than the
    proper breechloading cartridge types. In .58 caliber this would be good bear medicine if you have the discipline to place your shots. A .44 Mag, or .454 Casull revolver would be a nice backup there.

  134. @jb

    The writer was not actually eligible for the prize, but in the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoria things like that don’t really matter, in the fight to introduce open borders for Australia anything can be justified.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2019/02/rules-the-left-grants-itself-immunity/

  135. Travis says:

    figures released by the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife Monday in December tallied 15 bears killed on the first day of the hunt. In the December 2017 segment and under similar weather conditions, 73 bears were taken on the first day. In late August, Gov. Phil Murphy partially kept a campaign promise to stop the bear hunt by ordering that no bear hunting take place on state-owned wildlife management areas, parks and forests. The order shut hunters out of an estimated 40 percent of territory in the northwestern part of the state, the only area where bear hunting is allowed. That left available only federal property, private property and municipal-owned land, such as large parks and property owned by water authorities. New Jersey’s bear population, estimated at about 2,500 in the bear-hunt area before this year’s hunt began, has been highly studied by both state wildlife biologists and subjects of several university studies.

  136. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    The 375 H&H is a highly regarded round, but it’s too powerful for many people to shoot accurately (in general, as power goes up accuracy goes down). Still, at the generally short ranges for bear defense, it might work.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  137. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    You can’t have a pump but .45-70 is available in a variety of level action guns. With practice lever action can be as fast as semi-auto.

  138. @Anonymous

    ‘I think it was Jeff Cooper who stated that if you are where bears are, carry a heavy rifle or if not allowed, do not go there…’

    That, he said (speaking from experience) is ridiculous.

    Exit any modern American city and you just became a lot safer. I don’t care how many bears there are.

  139. @prosa123

    ‘The 375 H&H is a highly regarded round, but it’s too powerful for many people to shoot accurately (in general, as power goes up accuracy goes down). Still, at the generally short ranges for bear defense, it might work.’

    Rocks and yelling will usually suffice. If the bear insists, let him wreck your pack.

    This is a strange thread.

  140. @obwandiyag

    ‘I thought you guys wanted to kill them all and only tree-huggers care about wildlife.

    Gettin soft.’

    There you go. Speaking of hunting, when do you come into season?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  141. @Redneck farmer

    Will Brown Bears from Mexico be considered better neighbors?

    Yes, the per capita bear attack resulting in death rate will be lower for Mexican Browns vs. California Blacks. The obvious disparate impact will be attributed to white privilege. No comment yet from the Polar Bear International Union of Victims of Global Warming, Climate Change, Extreme Weather and Beckys.

  142. @obwandiyag

    I thought you guys wanted to kill them all and only tree-huggers care about wildlife.
    Gettin soft.

    I don’t think you’re grasping the concept of “conservative” very well.

  143. @Lot

    “Motivations” vary, but ‘Ellis Island’ seems to be a common excuse domestically. Sailer, sardonic: OBEY COLOSSUS.

    • Replies: @Lot
  144. Lot says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I agree with “excuse.”

    “My great grandparents were allowed to enter without hassle so everyone else in the world should too for all time” just isn’t the way human beings come to conclusions on political issues.

    There are really five big motivations for favoring mass migration:

    Cheap labor/more consumers

    Desire to dilute the power of native Americans and/or increase the power of migrating groups

    Ignorance about HBD and the costs and benefits of migration

    Bleeding heart altruism toward third worlders

    Never thinking seriously about the issue, but adjusting ones beliefs to conform with elite opinion

    While #2 is the most offensive, it’s likely the least important.

  145. @Buffalo Joe

    ‘Colin, after the rut.’

    I think he’s like that all the time.

  146. @J.Ross

    Well, they sure aren’t doing a very good job of it, now are they?

  147. Lagertha says:

    Karhu (Bear) is a brand of Finland.

  148. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I’ve done a lot of hiking on some pretty rough trails. All of mine were on the East Coast/AT, but I doubt the PCT is easier, and is likely harder.

    You don’t run into many women on the rough hiking stuff; it’s either loner dudes or groups of dudes. Women will do the scenic easy stuff, but anything causing rapid elevation gain or long-term isolation (i.e. anything more than 48 hours of hiking) will see the percentage of gyno-americans drop precipitously.

    Women simply aren’t built for it and/or don’t like it; how many female “mountain men” do you hear of, versus, you know, actual male mountain men? Where were all the “Kitty” Carsons? The idea of spending a lot of time alone in nature is unappealing to women, both socially and physically, when they actually face it (fanciful romantic notions are another story).

    About the only women on hard trails are hardcore trail runner types or else a woman who has trained months just for that one hike. So the idea of a chick of letters making it one-third of the way on the PCT at one time is still hilarious.

    And that’s before we factor (1) her supposed heroin addiction and (2) her never having hiked before. Absolutely preposterous claims by her. You find me a heroin addict who can hike 1/3 of any major national trail on his first try.

    Steve, you have a fine nose for hate hoaxes, but these literary hoaxes seem to fool you. Then again, judging by the book sales and movie reviews, it seems to have fooled a lot of people.

  149. @Anonymous

    I think it was Jeff Cooper who stated that if you are where bears are, carry a heavy rifle or if not allowed, do not go there.

    Who is this Jeff Cooper? He does not know what he’s talking about. Is Jeff Cooper a Manhattanite writer posing as an outdoorsman? Black bears can be encountered in may parts of the USA outside of officially designated parks or forests, including suburban lawns.

    Are suburbanites supposed to carry a “heavy rifle” when venturing out onto their yard? “Heavy rifle” — comically inept gun talk.

    And when this Cooper says “where bears are,” is he really “dog whistling”?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Old Prude
  150. @Clifford Brown

    The hippy era helped make backpacking a big deal. My Boy Scout troop in 1969-1971 was very backpacky and we wore psychedelic paisley neckerchiefs. My hippie cousin hiked the 220 mile length of the John Muir Trail along the crest of the High Sierra from Yosemite to Mt. Whitney.

  151. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @David Davenport

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper

    Cooper was probably the single most influential and respected firearms writer of his day and a major contributor to the doctrine of small arms after WWII. Indeed, to ask such a question is to reveal a certain ignorance. Besides Samuel Colt and John Moses Browning, there are few more famous names in firearms than Jeff Cooper.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  152. @Lot

    Whiskey-style, you’re omitting a big one— tribal, anti-)))white((( resentment.

    • Replies: @Lot
  153. he’d be more than a star today. the baseball talent pool has expanded and contracted. foreign talent has been added and domestic talent has been drawn off by basketball and football.

  154. Lot says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That’s the second one on my list stated a different way.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  155. @Lot

    stated in a different way

    It’s coyly vague. Your second item doesn’t mention “why.” Resentment is a perennial motivator for many—and the outcomes need not even materially benefit the aggrieved: The bringing low of ancient enemies may be a sufficient enough ‘cause’ for action.

    When AnotherDad wrote “Because someone’s nana came through Ellis Island?” you knew exactly who he meant, and thus you clumsily tried to defocus by naming only gentile individuals—including one who has nothing to do with influencing American immigration policy. Like I said, “Whiskey-style.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  156. Lot says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am not deflecting, I think you are talking about a tiny factor while ignoring far more significant ones.

    What share of the support for and blame for US mass migration belongs on Jewish animus in your estimation versus the other factors I mentioned?

  157. Old Prude says:
    @David Davenport

    Cooper was a typical ex-Marine blowhard. A smug narrow-minded narcissist with a following of dimmwitted acolytes. He said bad things about the Browning Hi-Power. That’s how stupid and ignorant he was. (Not that I would ever say it to his face alone in a saloon, ’cause I’m just a little man with a big mouth).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  158. Old Prude says:
    @Anonymous

    Cooper is the Picasso of firearms: A man with some genuine knowledege/talent but nowhere near enough to justify his enourmous ego and bloated reputation. He comes across as a really disagreeable know-it-all full of bluster and bigotry. To put him in the pantheon with the truly great John Moses Browning is apostasy. And he was a Marine, so that’s another strike against him…

  159. @Lot

    First off, your list is not exhaustive. There’s another factor relative to support or lack thereof regarding mass migration: Fear. There are many Americans, prominent or otherwise, who can’t speak out against mass migration for fear of reprisal that would affect their lives and livelihoods. They may have some recourse in voting, and private communication with like-minded individuals (as we do here), but there’s huge risk in going publicly political—and being truthful about racial preferences—which is (for now) a taboo for whites.

    What share of the support for and blame for US mass migration belongs on Jewish animus in your estimation versus the other factors I mentioned?

    It’s hard to quantify, we’re not talking mathematical proofs, but it’s significant. Contra your opinion that item 2 is the least important, I’d say the proportion for the entire list (including the ‘fear factor’ I mentioned up top) is at least 30% Jewish animus, which is a mix of anti-white hostility and amoral (if not quite prescient) “Is it good for the Jews?” expediency.

    iSteve of course has documented Jewish anti-white ressentiment over and over with plenty of major examples. Jews are estimated are to be about 2% of the US population, but are overrepresented, and are quite prominent, in the chorus of voices working against Core America, both in the ‘propositional’ and demographic implications of that term. In other words, there are unfortunately far more Schumers, Feinsteins, and Kristols, etc. than there are Stephen Millers.

    The voting stats for Jews bears this out: Most vote Democrat—and did so in last presidential election at 71% (according to Pew) when “Flight 93 Election” concerns were on the minds of American patriots.

    I give the voting stats not to show that Jewish votes are influencing things by their total number—but the ratio is important because it shows what the majority Jewish sentiment is—which has big implications given the prominence many Jews have at chokepoints of American media and academia, which are drivers and gatekeepers of much cultural and political discourse (the “megaphone”). Big surprise—much the content is in effect and/or explicitly anti-white, and the bosses and mouthpieces who push it are disproportionately Jewish. This activity has an intensifying effect on other American populations hostile to whites, and gives them cover for their own aggressions and ignorance—see the rest of your list.

    You appear to be a cheerful half-Jewish chauvinist for Jewry in general and Israel (NTTAWWT) and don’t seem to have any anti-white resentment yourself (and your rebuttals to Ron Unz’s pro-Aztec nonsense are great), but you’re reaching when trying to play defense against perceived criticism against Jews—AnotherDad’s comment was perfectly reasonable but you got baited into disputing it with a non sequitur/whataboutism that named gentile traitors. The fact is, American Jews are in the aggregate less patriotic than American white gentiles. And this has had implications far beyond each group’s relative share of the total population.

    • Replies: @Lot
  160. Travis says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    also need packs of wolves populated along our southern border to discourage the human traffickers.

  161. I’ve been waiting for another HBD Mitten denizen to say it, but can wait no longer..

    What about the great black/brown bear killing white Bear?

  162. @Anon

    So is it fair to say that Gov Northam is braking the “glowing amulet” of Genius T Coates’s power open, “releasing its eldritch energies”?

  163. @Lot

    Is that the Koch Brothers’ motivation? Paul Ryan’s? Merkel’s?

    The water they swim in? The air they breathe?

    Lot, i have a slight knowledge advantage from being around a bit longer than you. I can actually remember the before time.

    The business case you’re alluding to with “Koch” and “Ryan” is actually pathetically weak. An individual business benefits from a new source of cheap labor …. but then all your competitors get it too! It can really matter if you’re in a labor-intensive business with marginal price sensitive demand. Then more cheap labor can keep you in business. So yeah, the incredibly influential strawberry farmers actually do benefit from cheap labor. If strawberries got way more expensive, many people would switch to consuming something with less stoop labor. But cheap labor doesn’t do squat for Boeing. It doesn’t do anything for Exxon (or Koch Industries!). It doesn’t do anything for Ford or GM.

    When i was a kid it was “What’s good for General Motors is good for America”–not “What’s good for strawberry pickers is good for America”. Even as a teenager and a young man you never–i mean never–heard business whining for “more immigration”.

    I was politically aware–paying attention–by 1970. Business wasn’t pushing “more immigration, and neither were liberals or the left. If you’d buttonholed some liberal or even radical in 1970 and tried to push immigration, you’d have gotten something like

    “Man we’ve got 200 million people now! Overpopulation and pollution is killing the planet. We need fewer people.”

    And immigration? You were supposed to boycott grapes!–to help Ceasar Chavez organize his–anti-illegal scab labor–union.

    Global elites–Davos man of the era–was the Club of Rome and warned of overpopulation and pollution killing prosperity, killing the planet in their “Limits to Growth”.

    What changed? We got a new elite and a new elite ideology.

  164. @Lot

    There are really five big motivations for favoring mass migration:
    Cheap labor/more consumers
    Desire to dilute the power of native Americans and/or increase the power of migrating groups
    Ignorance about HBD and the costs and benefits of migration
    Bleeding heart altruism toward third worlders
    Never thinking seriously about the issue, but adjusting ones beliefs to conform with elite opinion
    While #2 is the most offensive, it’s likely the least important.

    Lot your list boils down to:

    #1 — the business case
    #2-#5 — formation and compliance with elite opinion

    As i pointed out in the comment i just wrote the business case is pathetically weak.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-australia-of-bears/#comment-3031852

    The business that really matter–not strawberry farmers!–that make the US prosperous don’t actually benefit from mass immigration. Sure they might benefit from standing outside engineering schools and grabbing some Chinese and Indian engineers. (Materials fracture guy, hey, i need one of those.) Though they didn’t have any problem operating without them. But the “mass” part of mass immigration adds no value and supporting it is actually just a tax, which will grow larger each year.

    How i can tell business didn’t drive this? I was around in 1970 and business wasn’t pushing for it. The press was not full of articles “must have more workers now”, “need more immigration”. And, no, there wasn’t some revolution in economic thought since then.

    What’s changed is the elite and the elite narrative–minoritarianism.

    And yes, your #4 is real. Through a long process of Christian de-tribalization and community building Western European white gentiles have the highest affective empathy in the world. Sincere Christian altruism and (misplaced) female nurturing pile on to this. So yeah, white gentiles are easy marks for this “dead baby on the beach” nation wrecking scam. (They won’t be able to run this on the Chinese.)

    But again, we were white gentiles in 1970, the world’s people were even poorer–i was contributing to missions in the 3rd world doing their feeding and clothing bit–but this immigration scam was not being run.

    What’s changed is the elite and the elite narrative–minoritarianism.

    • Replies: @Lot
  165. @Lot

    What share of the support for and blame for US mass migration belongs on Jewish animus in your estimation versus the other factors I mentioned?

    Lot, let me try to clarify what has happened, as you seem to want to focus too much on assigning shares of blame in the here and now and not the larger “how we got here”.

    First–it’s not just “Jewish animus“. That Jewish animus exists and is extreme in a lot of Jews is obvious. But that’s not all that’s going on.

    As i’ve noted most of this flows out of a simple Game Theory 101 level analysis. You’re a tribal middle man minority. (You have a strong sense of “our people” and “those other people”. Unlike white gentiles you have been operating in an enviroment where there a normal community which forms the nation, that you keep yourselves apart from and don’t intermarry with.)

    What do you want?
    — Well you want the society to “open” to you. That you can do your business, don’t get run out of town. State protection for you to do business whereever you want.
    — Better that the majority does not have its own majority institutions that are impenetrable to you. No majority version of your own minorities institutions\networks.
    — Better yet, that the majority is weak, not cohesive. Doesn’t have its own sense of self. Everything is penetrable by you and the majority takes no particular notice.
    — Much better yet, there isn’t a majority at all! It’s just a miasma of random people’s out there. No majority no threat from the majority. And if you’re smart–which you are–you can out organize and outmanipulate

    I can go on, but really isn’t this obvious?

    What happened in the US, is that the Jews breaking into, rising through and taking over elite institutions have pushed this minoritarian ideology to be the dominant ideology.

    All this other stuff–how much of the current situation is elite white gentiles signalling their elite status or women scurrying to signal their 110% compliance with the narrative and “not being mean”–is interesting … but it begs the question.

    The question is: how did this minoritarian ideology come to be dominant?

    And the answer to that question is that it’s the Jewish (middle-man minority) ideology, and it came to be dominant as the Jews rose through, took over American instituions, guilt, shamed elite gentile whites into compliance and pushed the narrative out–through universities, schools, business, politics, social interaction and especially through media.

    • Replies: @Lot
  166. A bear and cubs were seen a few years ago at Kramer Junction:

    https://www.pe.com/2014/10/31/mojave-desert-bears-invade-solar-array-before-being-tranquilized/

    Kramer Junction is almost—not quite, but almost—halfway between the edge of the San Gabriels and the southern edge of the Sierras. If they made it that far in a drought year, I’m sure in a wet year, bears could survive the other half of the trek.

    (These bears probably came from the San Gabriels, but the possibility still stands for Sierra bears.)

  167. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “took over American instituions, guilt, shamed elite gentile whites into compliance”

    Except France did mass third world migration even before we did in the 1960s under a right-wing nationalist government. And Israel let in third worlders before realizing it was a bad idea. The reason was the economy was booming and capital always desires more and cheaper labor.

    It’s not the story you’re telling is completely false, but exaggerated and missing the more important factors.

    Also, there’s a central illogic to “Jews are so powerful they control the media, universities, banks, and other elite institutions. But they feel so insecure that they use this power to import Mexicans and Africans because….. somehow this is needed to maintain the power they already have.” Some leftist Jews believe this too, but they’re just as wrong.

    The claim about animus toward non-Jewish whites is not borne out by high intermarriage rates, or actual non-academic-radical Jews identifing as anything other than white American.

  168. In three decades of hiking the San Gabriels, San Bernardinos, and Sierras, the few bears I’ve come across in the Transverse Ranges turned around and looked at me when I chanced upon them.

    Sierra bears either high tail it or ignore you. The SoCal bears, they high tailed it a dozen yards, then stopped, turned, stared me down for a few seconds, then turned back and sauntered slowly away.

    The scariest, biggest bear I’ve ever seen was in the Gabriels, on the trail up to Cucamonga Peak, near the old mine entrance (which has since been covered up). Cucamonga is the peak on the far right of Steve’s lovely picture up there.

    But Transverse bears are few and far between compared to Sierra bears. If you want to GUARANTEE a bear sighting, camp a few nights at Whitney Portal. Not only will you see a bear, you will see several bears, most of whom will eat out of your hand if you dare. The most habituated, damn near domesticated bears you will ever come across. They’ll walk right up to your camp and start sniffing your dinner while you’re still at the picnic table.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  169. Lot says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The large Reuters poll shared 55% of married Jewish men voted for Trump. I wish it were higher, but this show that Jews are just another US demographic effected by the same demographic factors.

    Control for region too, that is Jews are concentrated in large cities where non-Jewish whites are also left of center, and you end up with “Jewish” simply resulting in maybe a 10-point shift to the left. That’s not something you should spin an elaborate MacDonaldist theory out of, especially when Jews are right of center in Australia, England, Canada, and Israel.

    “There are many Americans, prominent or otherwise, who can’t speak out against mass migration for fear of reprisal that would affect their lives and livelihoods.”

    I wish I were as optimistic as you in thinking there is a strong silent anti-migration majority. But when mass migration is actually put up to a secret vote, as in 2016, we tend to lose. Trump lost the popular vote. Le Pen lost badly to an explicit corporate globalist. Tancredo’s run for president went nowhere. Lou Barletta won his primary and lost his 2018 PA-Sen election badly (56-43).

    The path to possible victory will be narrow and often “unfair” wins like Trump 2016 and by aggressive gerrymandering. Anything other than showy over-the-top philosemitism by the patriotic right I believe will doom this chance.

  170. JMcG says:
    @prosa123

    Slugs have come a long way. I have an H&R single shot slug gun with a rifled barrel. It’ll clover leaf saboted slugs at 50 yards, into less than 2 inches at 100 yards. Supposedly the Israelis used them for sniping in built up areas. They are definitely punishing to shoot though.

  171. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    It was Jewish influence that passed the 64 act with 80% support in the Senate? That got Kansas’s two GOP senators to vote for it? That got Bush I to sign the even worse law that created the diversity lottery visa and TPS?

    As for big ag, they certainly do have outsized influence, which is why they get tons of direct cash subsidies from Uncle Sugar, and in California/AZ get water for 95% less than city and suburban dwellers.

    More generally, it is about increasing the size of the home market because (1) US corps have privileged local access to it (2) cheaper local labor to compete abroad.

  172. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude

    What a bunch of shit.

    Cooper’s effort at building a better pistol was the notorious Bren Ten, which was intended as a cross between the Czech CZ75 and the Browning Hi Power, but in a caliber more suited to being an actual manstopper than the inadequate 9mm Parabellum. Cooper was nt a great businessman and the effort ended poorly, but the basic design was a winner.

    The Hi-Power is a great design that fires an inadequate round. 10mm was an effort to fix this. It has proven fairly successful.

  173. @Seth Largo

    Funny, the whole time I was reading this thread, I was thinking about Whitney Portal. I have seen plenty of bears, but Whitney Portal is most certainly “Bear Central”. Several have commented on how bears are basically giant raccoons and this is especially true there. While you should always respect a bear, if food is plentiful and bears lose their fear of humans, their behavior can be downright entertaining.

    Whitney Portal is an American gem. You can drive from the highest location in the Lower 48 to Death Valley, the lowest elevation on the continent in about two hours. You can go from 35 degrees in the mountains to 120 degrees in Death Valley. It encapsulates the magical extremes of the California geography.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  174. @Clifford Brown

    I climbed Mount Whitney in 1977. I didn’t see any bears back then. I wonder if they’ve gotten more common?

    Most of the bears I’ve seen in the Sierras were on the less precipitous Western side of the range. The Sierras are a tilted block range, with extensive foothills on the west, while the east side is immensely precipitous. My impression was that bears would like the slightly less severe western terrain more than mountain goat-friendly eastern side.

  175. I was up at Whitney Portal in 2012. Bears would raid the parking lot in broad daylight. I never saw that before.

    You are probably correct that bears prefer the Western slope, but bears love to eat and are drawn to the campers’ food supplies

  176. Svigor says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Mel Gibson is literally unbelievably based for a Hollyweird star. Easily and far and away my favorite celeb. I mean this guy has produced hit after hit after hit. And somehow, if he made a groveling apology for those many hits, I managed to miss it. And now he’s back making movies again. Levels of based and getting away with it that shouldn’t even be possible. Mel Gibson is so based, Robert Downey, Jr. is getting into alt-right Heaven just for sticking up for him.

    Neeson’s okay, but he’s got a long way to go.

  177. @Lot

    While #2 is the most offensive, it’s likely the least important.

    You underestimate the bleeding heart. And you underestimate the Liberal principle that the importance of a beneficiary of your help is inversely proportional to your racial proximity.

  178. @Steve Sailer

    I didn’t see any bears back then.

    The bears were scared of you. Who can blame them?

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