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The Question of Race in Campus Sexual-Assault Cases
Is the system biased against men of color?

EMILY YOFFE 11:56 AM ET EDUCATION

The archetypal image of the campus rapist is a rich, white fraternity athlete. The case of Brock Turner—the freshman swimmer at Stanford University convicted last year of sexually assaulting an unconscious woman after meeting her at a party, but sentenced to only six months in jail—reinforced this. Petula Dvorak, a Washington Post columnist, wrote, “The brilliant smile of a Stanford swimmer with Olympic dreams, the happy privileged face of a white college kid named Brock Turner … This is what a campus sexual predator looks like.”

Amy Ziering, the producer of The Hunting Ground, a 2015 campus-sexual-assault documentary, has said much the same thing. In a radio interview, she asserted that her movie exposed “privileged” well-off white men and challenged “dominant white male power.” But a close viewing of her film reveals a different reality. Her movie tells at length the stories of four allegations. In at least three of the cases, the accused is black.

How race plays into the issue of campus sexual assault is almost completely unacknowledged by the government. While the Office for Civil Rights (OCR), which regulates how colleges respond to sexual assault, collects a lot of data on race, it does not require colleges and universities to document the race of the accused and accuser in sexual-assault complaints. An OCR investigator told me last year that people at the agency were aware of race as an issue in Title IX cases, but was concerned that it’s “not more of a concern. No one’s tracking it.”

“Case after Harvard case that has come to my attention … has involved black male respondents.”

Janet Halley, a professor at Harvard Law School and a self-described feminist, is one of the few people who have publicly addressed the role of race in campus sexual assault. Interracial assault allegations, she notes, are a category that bears particular scrutiny. In a 2015 Harvard Law Review article, “Trading the Megaphone for the Gavel in Title IX Enforcement,” she writes, “American racial history is laced with vendetta-like scandals in which black men are accused of sexually assaulting white women,” followed eventually by the revelation “that the accused men were not wrongdoers at all.”

Like in that little-known underground work of history To Kill a Mockingbird. Similarly, the in-depth works of scholarship by John Grisham are full of the same kind of history.

She writes that “morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect; and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.” She has observed the phenomenon at her own university: “Case after Harvard case that has come to my attention, including several in which I have played some advocacy or adjudication role, has involved black male respondents.” …

Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes. In 2015, in The New Yorker, Jeannie Suk Gersen, a Harvard Law School professor, wrote that in general, the administrators and faculty members she’s spoken with who “routinely work on sexual-misconduct cases” say that “most of the complaints they see are against minorities.” For two years I have received a daily Google Alert on college sexual assault. It captures only those cases that make it into the news, and is not a comprehensive or statistically valid measure. But it is illuminating. Usually the reports don’t disclose race, but sometimes it is mentioned, and if the accused is named, it’s often possible to determine his race through photo searches or other online information. Black men make up only about 6 percent of college undergraduates. They are vastly overrepresented in the cases I’ve tracked.

… But as the definition of sexual assault used by colleges has become wider and blurrier, it certainly seems possible that unconscious biases might tip some women toward viewing a regretted encounter with a man of a different race as an assault. And as the standards for proving assault have been lowered, it seems likely that those same biases, coupled with the lack of resources held by many minority students on campus, might systematically disadvantage men of color in adjudication, whether or not the encounter was interracial.

For example, look how Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston had his life ruined by rape allegations at Florida State, dropping all the way down to first overall pick in the NFL draft.

In contrast, Haven Monahan, organizer of the fraternity initiation ritual gang rape on broken glass exposed by Sabrina Rubin Erdely in Rolling Stone’s hugely popular article “A Rape on Campus,” continues to stalk the campuses of America, not only un-burnt at the stake, but unarrested.

It’s all just cross-cultural misunderstandings: racist white coeds don’t understand that saying “Yes” to the star means “Yes, including your wide receiver corps and your visiting cousin.”

We’re a team. We’re a family.

The easiest way to get better at college football is to recruit players that other coaches wouldn’t dare recruit, typically using coeds as lures. For example, how did Baylor get so good so fast early in this decade?

Former assistant coach Kendal Briles — the son of the head coach — once told a Dallas-area student athlete, “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players,” according to the suit. …

Remember a couple of years ago when the movie “Birth of a Nation,” based on a story by Nate Parker and his college wrestling teammate Jean McGianni Celestin about black slaves killing white people, sold for $17 million and was the early favorite for the Best Picture Oscar?

But then it turned out that the reason Parker and Celestin were so mad at the original “Birth of a Nation” by D.W. Griffith was that, much like in the 1915 movie, Parker and Celestin had been charged with sexual assault by a white woman who eventually killed herself (many years later).

(Parker got off, but his friend got convicted, but then got off on appeal.)

Perhaps Parker and Celestin were the innocent victims of all the white racists running amok on college campuses.

Or perhaps our culture is actually wildly pro-black, as Parker’s $17 million payday would suggest, but, unfortunately, blacks keep screwing up?

 
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  1. Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.
     
    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists (they have even lower rates of committing rape than whites do).
    , @Wally
    How to break up a 'Black Lives Matter' protest:

    https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/how-to-break-up-blacklivesmatter-protest.jpg

    , @Olorin
    More effective still to remove women from campus.

    Then see what happens to the data when there are no more women to rape.

    (We can, of course, predict, based on known trends....)

    At some point, someone will complain that it's sexist and imperialist to keep women from having a college education.

    But I say what's more important and full of tasty justice--women getting educated? Or making sure that blacks aren't unjustly recognized as committing the crimes they commit, given how Noticing is racist?

    Whatever it takes to fix those statistics! I think colleges should go the Portland and Chicago route and just stop counting them. That'll get rid of all those troubling numbers/trends, 100%!!

    Besides, why should we believe statistics when women say that blacks are raping them? Obviously racist. Everyone knows that black men don't rape women. Women just lie when they claim otherwise! We shouldn't count anything that conflicts with our chosen ahem narratives!

    (Honestly, Emily Yoffe should be bottled and sold as a controlled hallucinogenic substance.)

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  2. Josh says:

    Wow. That’s was a classic isteve ‘does not compute’ narrative conflict induced head explosion.

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  3. SFG says:

    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate…just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that’s what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it’s coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men…but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won’t work all the time–sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt–but it’s a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

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    Will anybody notice?
    , @Randal
    It's a tricky one, because it could go right and end up discrediting both the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women, and the pretence that black Americans are not statistically dramatically more violent and more criminal, because there is no difference between races because race is a social construct (except for differences that go to favour blacks, obviously, such as being on average better at basketball and sprinting).

    But it could also go the other way and end up with men still victimised and held hostage to the whims of hysterical, embittered or just confused women, but black men given a special pass to get away with crimes because - well, because they are Special.

    There is no shortage of feminist and leftist zealots who would desperately hope for the latter outcome, and more than enough willing collaborators amongst our academic, legal, political and business establishments to make it happen.

    Still, we have to hope for the best, I suppose. You are obviously correct that it is a useful tactic.

    , @Alec Leamas

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won’t work all the time–sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt–but it’s a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.
     
    DemsRRealRacists!

    You do understand that these conflicts in the coalition can always be addressed by redoubling the efforts to drive the narrative back to rich white laxrosse frat boys, don't you? They can always paper over differences by throwing a few more white boys into the volcano.

    Also, it has been reported that Rubin-Erdely had a few situations around which to spin her campus rape yarn, where one was a situation at her alma mater UPENN (25% Chosen), and another involved black athlete perpetrators, but she chose the UVA Frat Bros. Do you really think you can hold these people to account? They know what they're doing, and they're doing it willfully and purposely.
    , @guest
    This is routine "intersectionality." How did To Kill a Mockingbird escape criticism all these decades for making a liar out of Mayella Ewell? Because black trumps female.

    It's risky to admit that not all alleged rapes are true. But this case is cloaked in negro armor.
    , @Forbes
    Shorter Yoffe: "Morning After Regret Hits Black Men Hardest"
    , @Neil Templeton
    Reads to me like an older, wiser woman who's a bit concerned about the disintegration of the mating culture, even at the middle and upper middle class levels. She may be a lefty, but she's got more good-heart than you would expect.
    , @hhsiii
    She has done some excellent work. This may be an attempt to get SJWs to notice.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Rape is essentially a black crime. It is definitely not a crime committed by elderly Asian women. It is a crime - like murder, burglary and armed robbery - closely associated with young black males. Everyone knows this. Why must I have to point out the obvious?
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  4. And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.

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    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?
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  5. SFG says:

    Some reason you put the prior comment under moderation? If you look at her prior two articles (pointing out the lack of due process and the bad science behind the regime), she’s actually using a fairly clever bit of jujitsu to force people to rethink the misandrist college-rape juggernaut. Something that hurts men is OK…but if it hurts black men…

    This is a useful strategy people making politically incorrect arguments should be aware of–find a minority group that’s disadvantaged by whatever the SJWs want to do, and drive some wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

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  6. @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Will anybody notice?

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    I don't know, but it's worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson's fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don't like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women's activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it's diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.
    , @Average Man
    Steve,

    She recently wrote two other articles against kangaroo sexual assault courts in college. Stop falling back on your priors and giver her a read.

    One about the "science" used in dealing with sexual assault:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-bad-science-behind-campus-response-to-sexual-assault/539211/

    And one in general against having colleges try sexual assault cases:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

    , @Stan d Mute

    Will anybody notice?
     
    Nope. What's your number of unique page views? Double that. That's how many will notice.

    You aren't the blunt instrument needed to whack some common sense into what's left of America. You influence those of us who are already vigilant (and maybe some sports spergs). Most of your stuff would just bewilder the average +/- 1SD sheeple.
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  7. Whiskey says: • Website

    There is no, I repeat NO length White women will not go to excuse away the assaults, rapes, and murders of either Muslim or Ghetto hood men. IF every Black guy was as nerdy in reality as the character Urkel, that would be a different matter. White women would be leading the Klan. But instead its White men who are in reality, that nerdy. To their detriment. And so they are punished; as scapegoats.

    SOMEONE has to be at fault. And it certainly won’t be Ghetto Black men admitted as “afleets” who can hardly read (like that UCLA football player who graduated illiterate and later sued the university). Nope, it will be some nerd making a dongle joke in front of a SJW women with at best a 7 rating in the looks suspecting accurately that the nerd does not regard her as a sex goddess but someone nearly equal to HIM on the attractiveness ranks; or even worse asking her out for coffee in an elevator. Now THAT’s rape!

    Women make excuse after excuse after excuse for violent dominant men no matter how much the abuse because the violent dominance excites them. And nerdy intelligence repels them. Its that simple — there is no end of ways that the average White women is the complete and total enemy eternally of the average White man given how devalued and useless male providership has bcome; and how the pill, condom, and anonymous urban living have eliminated any limits on expressing female sexuality.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don’t see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

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    Whiskey, there are not many non-creepy ways to ask a woman out in an elevator. Choose other hunting grounds.
    , @AM

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don’t see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.
     
    I assume you're chewing roofing nails and punching people in bars in your spare time just to get the testosterone out, rather than another mission of Call of Duty in Mom's basement?
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I don't know about that. Black men are usually mamma's boys, and nobody is babied more or has more excuses made for them, including babies.
    , @dr kill
    Women long to be clubbed over the head by Fabio and dragged back to the cave.
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  8. Randal says:
    @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    It’s a tricky one, because it could go right and end up discrediting both the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women, and the pretence that black Americans are not statistically dramatically more violent and more criminal, because there is no difference between races because race is a social construct (except for differences that go to favour blacks, obviously, such as being on average better at basketball and sprinting).

    But it could also go the other way and end up with men still victimised and held hostage to the whims of hysterical, embittered or just confused women, but black men given a special pass to get away with crimes because – well, because they are Special.

    There is no shortage of feminist and leftist zealots who would desperately hope for the latter outcome, and more than enough willing collaborators amongst our academic, legal, political and business establishments to make it happen.

    Still, we have to hope for the best, I suppose. You are obviously correct that it is a useful tactic.

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    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.
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  9. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Will anybody notice?

    I don’t know, but it’s worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women’s activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it’s diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

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    Orwell gave us the concept of "doublethink" in 1984. The politically correct thing to think, even if you can't say it this explicitly, is if the accused is Brock Turner, the issue to worry about is "sexual assault," and if it's Jameis Winston, it's "due process."
    , @guest
    Milo is successful because his persona short-circuits interlocutors and would-be critics. They didn't know how to handle his arguments--or didn't before they resorted to the old standby of insinuations of pedophilia--because of who he is and how he talks. I don't know what that has to do with this situation.

    Accusing universities of railroading blacks will not and probably cannot short-circuit the left into advocating due process for all accused rapists. There is something to the idea of splitting the fringes. But blacks might not win in this case, as they normally would over womenz, because too much has been invested in the Campus Rape Culture. Even if they do, that doesn't mean Haven Monahan will get a fair hearing along with Shitavious.

    Tiered systems of justice are a-okay in Progressiveland.

    , @Stan d Mute

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it’s diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.
     
    That disadvantage is more than offset by the glue that keeps them together: hatred for white men for our achievements since the dawn of recorded history.
    , @Desiderius
    No, I think the whole rape culture hysteria was about blacks having sex with white women in the first place. They just couldn't (of course) admit it. Same reason they're so gung ho on abortion - it controls black population without having to admit they're controlling black population. Likewise with importing Hispanics to get blacks out of the cities (and Section 8).

    Most SJW causes are plausibly deniable cover for regressive goals.
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  10. Veracitor says:

    Petula Dvorak, a Washington Post columnist, wrote. . .

    Honestly, I thought that was Petulant Dvorak the first time I read it.

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  11. AM says:

    Will anybody notice?

    That’s the problem. They don’t notice. SJW arguments generally don’t work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    One assumes that politically incorrect tales of actual campus rape are simply swept under the rug by the kangroo courts. They’re looking discipline drunken hook-ups by otherwise promising white men who were supposed to act as chaperones at age 19. Of course, colleges don’t have chaperones anymore because in the 1960′s young men and women with enough free time to be students have literally evolved beyond their inexperience and hormones. All adults! Except the woman who got drunk and/or did something stupid – she was merely a child and victim. sigh

    It appears that the best message to get out there is that the “Democrats are the real racists” counter arguments, even if true, are pointless. Just don’t bother. The only way to counter the Narrative is to break it or mock it in unexpected ways.

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    SJW arguments generally don’t work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    Why do you suppose that is?
    , @Stan d Mute

    The only way to counter the Narrative is to break it or mock it in unexpected ways.
     
    Mocking is particularly effective. Arm wrestle feminists. Laugh at stupid Africans. Be Men!

    And Propaganda - talk about and show photos of African crimes against white women and children. There are literally thousands of news reports of crimes too horrific to contemplate. Force men (Men!) to see the raped, maimed, mutilated, and murdered elderly women (our mothers), women (our wives and daughters), and children. Push links to folks who aggregate these news reports like Colin Flaherty and others who do NOT spew Stormfront-like garbage. They'll respond by sputtering that "white men do it too" whereupon you can easily and irrefutably prove that interracial crime is 99.9% African criminal vs white (or increasingly Asian) victim.

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  12. AM says:

    Very funny – Mark Dice – People Rescue Air Jordans from Foot Locker During Hurricane Irma – watch before YouTube PC nannies get wind of it: https://youtu.be/-6-xokjS4PE

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  13. @candid_observer
    And of course it wouldn't occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn't occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they'd be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.

    This comment made me see things in a new light…

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can’t claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won’t have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won’t turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about “due process”.

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

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    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?
     
    Because chances are high that the kangaroo courts will simply gloss over the crimes of black men, since they don't have any interest in actually stopping rape.
    , @Opinionator
    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can’t claim racism and get away with it.

    Are you sure an accused would not have an opportunity to make a counter-allegation of racism, even if he is not afforded a chance to "confront" the accuser in person?
    , @guest
    "If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it"

    He may not know the race of his accuser, but he knows his own race. Can't he claim racism on the basis of his race alone? "Y'all wouldn't be doin this to me if I was white." (They would, oh yes, but they don't need to admit that to themselves.)

    Odds are the alleged victim won't be black. But even if she were, that's what the terms "systemic" and "false consciousness" are for.

    , @Achmed E. Newman

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?
     
    I don't know, but being 27 y/o, maybe with some more schooling sometime, because IT MAY BE YOU!? How would you like that, if you got accused of rape and had no due process. You can add that to the " fairness/ autism (WTF?)/muh rule-of-law" business.

    Some people have to learn things the hard way - I hope it is not you, at least on this type of thing.
    , @Lot
    "Confront" here means cross-examine anyone giving evidence against you. I do not think these cases involve men not getting the name of the accuser.
    , @Marty T
    It seems that black athletes are by far the most likely to be actual rapists - like convicted for it, like at Baylor. White athletes, meanwhile, have been truly victimized by these kangaroo courts. Yale basketball captain Jack Montague was expelled for what seemed to be consensual sex with an ex-girlfriend. USC kicker Matt Boermeester was kicked out after winning the Rose Bowl - a third party claimed he was abusing his girlfriend, a USC tennis player. The girlfriend vehemently denied this, but USC expelled him anyway.

    These are the true victims. White college athletes don't need to rape anyone, they get the hottest girls anyway.
    , @NOTA
    The existing process is completely broken. I wonder if they discipline more actual rapists or nonrapists, when all is said and done.
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  14. I was reminded of a quote from Golda Meir I don’t much like: “peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us”. Maybe the NCAA version of that is “a rape free campus will come when the alumni love their daughters more than they hate Florida State”?

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    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there's no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money - a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It's just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I'd be the last to say "YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL", but if you're gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you're some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle "Freddie" would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back - something like "Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.", over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I'm not Freddie ;-}
    , @AnotherDad
    Golda Meir

    “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
     
    AnotherDad:

    "Immigration sanity will come when American Jews will love their children more than they hate us."
     
    , @Chuck
    Know Israel. No peace.

    No Israel. Know peace.
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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    For how many decades have we had Rap Culture as the core culture of Black America?

    To Kill a Mocking Bird is Ancient History in a world where time travels at light speed.

    It’s now about To Kill a Mothafuc*a.

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    I saw To Kill a Mocking Bird as a teenager in the 60s and I thought it sucked even then. Same with West Side Story, except Natalie Wood was cute.
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  16. Thomas says:
    @SFG
    I don't know, but it's worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson's fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don't like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women's activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it's diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

    Orwell gave us the concept of “doublethink” in 1984. The politically correct thing to think, even if you can’t say it this explicitly, is if the accused is Brock Turner, the issue to worry about is “sexual assault,” and if it’s Jameis Winston, it’s “due process.”

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    I don’t think white folks should care about white girls raped by blacks in colleges.

    They went black. Who cares what happens to them.

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    Rather harsh. If they were raped is it fair to say they "went black"?
    , @Anonymous
    If they were minding their own business and it was a genuine case of forcible rape without provccation-what Todd Akin called "legitimate rape" (which will be his epitaph)-then I do care a hell of a lot about what happens to them. The rapists should be executed or have their block and tackle lopped off. If we can't do that, at least kick them off the team and do everything we can to keep them from going to another school or the NFL.

    If they are leading black football players on thinking they can control the terms of the encounter and wind up pulling twenty cars onto the main line, then, fuck them. It should be a teachable moment for the rest of the girls. Sometimes, as Ole Bob Whitaker used to say, you have to stick the puppy's nose in the poop.

    I hate to keep bringing the ill-aging and surly old battleaxe up, but Big Little Miss Muffett hit the nail on the head. We should quote her a lot because the SJCs (and you know what the C stands for) can't screw with her that much. If a man had said what she said about her railroading experience at the Cleveland 81 clubhouse he'd be deplatformed forever.



    Rock icon Chrissie Hynde has no regrets about suggesting provocatively dressed, intoxicated women "ask" to be raped.

    The Pretenders frontwoman, 65, sparked anger from campaigners against sexual violence when promoting her autobiography last year after sharing her recollections of being raped by members of an Ohio biker gang at the age of 21.

    Chrissie told Britain's Sunday Times magazine at the time that she took responsibility for what happened and added women should avoid being "provocative" and not "entice" potential rapists by wearing sexually suggestive clothing.

    In a new interview with The Times, the rocker has hit back at her critics, saying they cannot handle the truth about men's lack of sexual control.

    "What I'm saying is that women think men are in control all the time, but men are weaker than women," she explains. "And don't mess with these guys because when its unleashed they can't control themselves. That's too profound for most people."

    At the height of the controversy over her comments the Brass in Pocket singer attempted to clarify her remarks, and on Good Morning America insisted she wasn't aiming to "advise" women.

    However, now she is unrepentant about her remarks, saying, "I have to be honest, I don't give a f---. First I didn't know because I don't read my press but when I kept being questioned about it I said, 'If you're going to walk around in your underwear drunk, you're asking for it'.

    "And they really jumped on me for that. Because the idea in this climate of pseudo-empowerment is that no means no. Well I have news for you girls, a stiff d--- means yes."

    Chrissie adds that she blames herself for the rape due to being depressed and on drugs at the time.

    "The point is: I shouldn't have been where I was," she explains. "Why? Because I didn't want to go home. I wanted experience. I was depressed an f---ed up, which is when bad things happen. Believe me, nobody in the history of mankind has made good choices on Quaaludes."
     
    http://www.kincardinenews.com/2016/10/12/chrissie-hynde-i-have-no-regrets-about-expressing-my-views-on-rape


    “Now, let me assure you,” [Hynde] writes [in 'Reckless'], “that, technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges.”

    It was distressing to read, I begin to say.

    “Yeah, but those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do.”

    But to blame yourself, even now?

    “Of course. Because you can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive…”

    Exactly! Naive and vulnerable and they took advantage of that...

    “They’re motorcycle guys! If you play with fire you get burnt. It’s not any secret, is it?”

     

    http://ijr.com/2015/08/407689-rocker-chrissie-hynde-fire-comments-made-sexual-assault-recent-interview/
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  18. AM says:

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.

    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he’s gay – Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn’t work either.

    And yes, muslims don’t like gays, but let’s be clear, the SJWs don’t really like gays either. They’ve already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

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    It is not at all hard to find gay people-especially of the fiscally conservative professional, masculine/non-campy version-who support the Front National in France. For them, cultural Catholicism is an acceptable price to pay if it proves to be a more reliable bulwark against radical Islamism than their traditional liberal allies.

    Marine Le Pen, as part of her overall efforts to "detox" the FN from Jean-Marie's image, has made moves to court French gays. She refused to support the anti-gay marriage march in Paris in 2015. In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She's even written articles about it in the NYT.

    , @guest
    I don't want to diminish Milo's skills and talent, but how many people with his array of ideas get national media exposure? How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?

    There's something about Milo as a person that disarms the opposition, or at least used to. Some combination of "lifestyle," accent, and hair.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I agree with you completely, AM. I think most on here agree that one can't talk just logic to these SJW ctnrl-left people, as in "Hey, why do you Jewish politicians want the Moslems in, you know it's gonna bite you all in the ass before too long?", etc. The leaders of the different ethnicities, races, and so forth really don't want to think that long term - it's beyond the span of their careers, and the useful idiots who follow them, well that's what they are.

    However, even at the next level, in these conflicts of Social Justices, like this one - black people first, but, wait, we have a rape epidemic - I don't think you can outsmart them as per some of the comments here. It's all just emotional to these people, and yes, they just don't want the white males to run anything or even be here, except to fix stuff. When they get into these conundrums, they will not pick a reasonable side due to some compassion for the white guy once they "see the other side of the story". There is no golden rule in the cntrl-left world, anywhere! The right way to go will be decided by a coin toss, or just the loudest, fattest mouth in the room.

    Nope, you just have to tell them "No!" and "Go to Hell!", and that sort of thing. It's quicker too.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he’s gay – Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.
     
    You are deluding yourself. Every speech Milo gives he announces that he's (1) a Jew, (2) gay, and (3) likes exclusively African men. He's got more Pokémon diversity points than any of his critics. Shapiro always begins with, "I'm an Orthodox Jew" and Ann Coulter is either female or a tranny. Tom Sowell and Clarence Thomas are also examples of the type, all are able to say things which would get a white guy exiled.

    Yes, their events are violently protested - but if any were the American founding stock white guy they'd be Derbyshired, Brimelowed, or Taylored, or Sailered and never get an opportunity to speak in the first place. Even poor Murray with his gentle vague and almost pc academic presentation is whitelisted and physically assaulted. Taylor clearly gets the worst of it as he's trotted onto Oprah's stage and painted as a cartoon caricature to be mocked and despised for the two minute hate.
    , @ben tillman

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn’t work either.
     
    Your history is incomplete. The "Golden Age" of Jewish history was their time in Muslim Iberia.
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  19. Black rape attacks on White females is usually left out of the campus sex assault messaging that many members of the Democrat Party employ to bounce up their vote numbers with single White women. The Democrat Party does not want to mention the fact that Black rape attacks on White females on American campuses is increasing at an alarming rate.

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  20. This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.

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    a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.
     
    Yes, I noticed that, as well. Remarkable.

    Clearly in the world of pc hypocrisy, you might get away with it if you are trumping the female victim with a black victim.

    Certainly I can recall a number of people getting the full howling mob treatment for saying the truth no less carefully than Janet Halley does: "morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect", just without the talismanic immediate followup into black victimhood: "and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them."
    , @Off The Street

    This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.
     
    The Democrat Party and its minions in the media are undergoing some profound changes, some results of which you see unfolding in articles in The Atlantic (in the Sanctum Sanitorium [no, not a misprint] of Democratland, with CNN, NYT and WaPo). There has been some quiet discussion among the DNC, donors and their media lackeys about the abject failures of the Coalition of the Fringes and of Identity Politics, and goodbye Hillary, just leave already.

    Think of the article above as a type of trial balloon in their repositioning process. Political parties are not immune to abrupt changes, reflections, or staring thoughtfully into the middle distance. For example, note the fallout from the 1972 McGovern shellacking that led to the abandonment of organized labor, except of course for their ongoing donations. The Dems see that Hillary's brand is toxic, and so a new approach is required. Look for a new slogan roll-out with full media article, blog and columnar support in advance of the 2018 campaigning, which by the way is just the latest installment in their permanent campaign. Maybe this time they won't alienate so many people, but don't count on it. When in competition with the Stupid Party, it is at times painful to watch the self-inflicted damage, at least without a beverage.
    , @Saxon
    Well yes but she only wants to suggest this with the tired trope with no data to support it that this is all just white women with some sort of jungle fever having morning after regrets, but you see this white frat boy rapist trope that was wholly manufactured and not supported by any empirical data is obviously 100% accurate.

    It's just like in Canada where there's conveniently no data kept on crimes by race so they can grandstand about how their narratives must be true because designated victim groups end up in prison more often. Here you now see it being used in the opposite direction to claim that even though they have no data proving it, it must be true that white fratboys are doing all of the raping because that's what I've been told over so my tortured circular logic must be true, and by extension of course the blacks are just getting punished for the non-existent campus rape epidemic being committed by these white fratboys because racism.

    When you look at any empirical crime data though you'll see this crime in particular is one where white men don't commit anywhere near as much rape as black men, and what's more is that the interracial rape category is usually white on black with a recorded number of 0 (meaning actual 0 or within the margin of error) while the reverse is upwards of 40,000 a year in the US.
    , @Kylie
    "This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that."

    If the male is black, you're allowed to suggest that.

    Race trumps gender.
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  21. AM says:
    @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    Because chances are high that the kangaroo courts will simply gloss over the crimes of black men, since they don’t have any interest in actually stopping rape.

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    since they don’t have any interest in actually stopping rape
     
    Good point.

    In better times, we had separate facilities and chaperones.
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  22. I studied the Jameis Winston case closely… and it’s pretty obvious that 1) His accuser is lying 2) He probably did something like kick her out of his room that prompted her to claim rape 3)The police didn’t really care to investigate the case.

    1. Black men per capita are far more likely to comitt rape/sexual assault on campus than white men(or any other race)
    2. Some white women will cry rape on black men if she feels wronged or humiliated.

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  23. Close your eyes and think of Clemson.

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    Where the white women at? Baylor, buddy.
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  24. @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won’t work all the time–sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt–but it’s a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    DemsRRealRacists!

    You do understand that these conflicts in the coalition can always be addressed by redoubling the efforts to drive the narrative back to rich white laxrosse frat boys, don’t you? They can always paper over differences by throwing a few more white boys into the volcano.

    Also, it has been reported that Rubin-Erdely had a few situations around which to spin her campus rape yarn, where one was a situation at her alma mater UPENN (25% Chosen), and another involved black athlete perpetrators, but she chose the UVA Frat Bros. Do you really think you can hold these people to account? They know what they’re doing, and they’re doing it willfully and purposely.

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    They know what they’re doing, and they’re doing it willfully and purposely.
     
    Sabrina Rubin-Erdely's "A Rape on Campus" was just blatantly obvious anti-gentilism. There was some piece--which I can't find now--where she discussed her process and talked about her process following leads, went to Harvard--didn't "feel right"--went somewhere else--didn't feel right--went to UVA with the colonial architecture and blond frat boys ... bingo!

    At that point probably any sort of "filter" she may have possessed--if she even has much of one--was off. The story was too good to pass up. It could have been blond fraternity boys, kidnapping Jewish babies and slicing them up for tender steaks at their barbeques and she would have bought it. Guys kneeling down and poking amidst broken glass with their erect manhoods for sloppy 2nds, 3rds ... 7ths
    --completely credible.
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  25. Twinkie says:
    @Demontage2000
    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.

    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.

    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists (they have even lower rates of committing rape than whites do).

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    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists
     
    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.
    , @nebulafox
    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?

    Morbid sarcasm aside, I agree, but as a lot of societal trends (above all elite college admissions) prove, Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite. And the practically venal, too, but that's another story. In a way, they sort of have invisible status for the SJW types, unless they actively take up politics.

    South Asians are also generally a bit of a different matter from East and Southeast Asians. Generally speaking, Pakistani and Indian Americans tend to contribute negligible levels of crime and antisocial behavior in general. But sexual harassment-and much worse-is a *big* issue on the subcontinent in a way that it isn't in, say, China. I've heard of more than one women leaving programming because they couldn't take the behavior of the H1-B visa importees in the office anymore.

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  26. inertial says:

    There are two possibilities. Either blacks do rape more. Or, white coeds falsely accuse blacks due to racism.

    In any case, let’s just find a white guy and punish him because it’s all his fault anyway.

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    Or the third possibility, that blacks do rape more AND white coeds falsely accuse because of racism.

    On the one hand, Becky A.'s jungle fever runs hot on the dance floor and back at his apartment, but at 9:30 when she wakes up the fever subsides and she's not okay with what happened. Especially when he doesn't text her / blocks her number the next day.

    On the other hand, Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because "no means no". Then shit gets real and she finds out that Tyrone wasn't playing around.

    Both of those situations are likely to be quite common on our campuses. Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.

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  27. Randal says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn't mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren't allowed to suggest that.

    a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.

    Yes, I noticed that, as well. Remarkable.

    Clearly in the world of pc hypocrisy, you might get away with it if you are trumping the female victim with a black victim.

    Certainly I can recall a number of people getting the full howling mob treatment for saying the truth no less carefully than Janet Halley does: “morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect“, just without the talismanic immediate followup into black victimhood: “and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.

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    Must keep pounding The Narrative:

    “and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.“
     
    Total fiction and fantasy. The fact that the opposite--Affirmative Action preferences are the water the fish are swimming in-- is closer to the truth makes the remark particularly scurilous.
    , @Brutusale
    What we have here is an article by a Dear Abby writer quoting the usual suspects, a Harvard "expert" who self-identifies as a member of the Freud/Foucault/Nietzsche postmodern, critical law studies school. Given her worldview and her looks, I'd even hazard a guess that Janet Halley has never seen a real, live penis.

    These are the people setting the agenda? Hell, here's the hand basket.

    Like the SAT/ACT tests, when the group in question can't meet the standard, change the standard. Pretty soon a white guy will go to jail for casting a smoldering look at a woman, while only anal rape with bruising will send a black guy to the clink.
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  28. Twinkie says:
    @Randal
    It's a tricky one, because it could go right and end up discrediting both the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women, and the pretence that black Americans are not statistically dramatically more violent and more criminal, because there is no difference between races because race is a social construct (except for differences that go to favour blacks, obviously, such as being on average better at basketball and sprinting).

    But it could also go the other way and end up with men still victimised and held hostage to the whims of hysterical, embittered or just confused women, but black men given a special pass to get away with crimes because - well, because they are Special.

    There is no shortage of feminist and leftist zealots who would desperately hope for the latter outcome, and more than enough willing collaborators amongst our academic, legal, political and business establishments to make it happen.

    Still, we have to hope for the best, I suppose. You are obviously correct that it is a useful tactic.

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women

    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

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    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry.
     

    Not that easy. Feminists in the legal profession did away with the notion that you can't rape your wife in the UK in 1991 by pretending (in the usual defiantly dishonest socially liberal way) that it had never really existed even though it had been generally accepted law in the country for centuries.

    I believe it was removed in the US as part of the same wave of triumphant social liberalism in the late C20th, though I don't know the details of how it was done and whether it was judicial activism or legislation.


    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.
     
    Indeed, but that doesn't make any case for accepting the police and courts getting involved to make things worse.
    , @Alec Leamas


    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women

     

    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry.
     
    One can be accused of sexual assault or rape and kafkatrapped with undue process without having had sex with a woman not one's wife.
    , @Ed
    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it's nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
    , @guest
    "You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks"

    Of course I can. Because in the woman's case, she's up against violent human nature. In men's case, all that we're asking is for the legal system (as well as the press) to operate responsibly.

    Men should be on guard against being falsely accused. It's their responsibility not to sleep with nutbags in alleyways, for instance. But it's our responsibility as a society to give them fair trials.

    , @Carbon blob
    Jesus Christ, the Duke lacrosse fiasco wasn't that long ago.
    , @theMann
    You hit the nail on the head with your argument, which I can condense down to two sentences:


    Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.

    So, if you do sleep around, take your chances, because morally speaking, you have no ground to stand on.
    , @AnotherDad

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.
     
    I'm with you morally and socially. I'd love for our culture to get back to the presumption of monogamy. That's how a civilized society operates.

    But ... men and women are different. (Men polygamous, women hypergamous.)

    Men simply do not have control over the "promiscuity market". It's women who create and maintain the mores around dating/sex/hookups. What exactly are men--horny young men--supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say "no" to what's actually on offer--sex with available young women--and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she's finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    Men do have control over the "marriage market" and can say "no" to women who don't offer much--have been promiscuous, don't seem solidly committed to being a wife and mother. More men in fact seem to be doing that--saying "no" to marriage. But even there men are in a bind. There simply aren't enough women whose sexual behavior has been above board and suggests high character, future oriented thinking, likely strong sexual bonding with their husband and commitment to lifelong fidelity. So most men who want a family have to settle. Men are indeed signaling in the marriage market that the available women aren't very compelling. But it's pushing on a string.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who--properly signaled by men--can fix it. Having men forgo the one benefit available to them in it--sex--seems a stretch. And creating a culture of promiscuity, then trashing men's educations and careers simply for being promiscuous is in fact unjust.
    , @Bill Jones
    "Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry."
    Increasingly in this world, do not be alone in a room with a woman you did not marry.
    (and are still married to.)
    , @Bill Jones
    "Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry."
    Increasingly in this world, do not be alone in a room with a woman you did not marry.
    (and are still married to.)
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  29. anonguy says:

    OT, but one I think iStevers might want to look into.

    Has anyone looked into winning presidents, or other electoral candidates, based upon the male/female sex ratio of their children compared to their opponent? Is there any pattern there?

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    Truman- 1 D.; Johnson-2D.; Nixon- 2D.; Carter- 1D.; Bubba-1D.; Shrub-2D.; BHO-2D, dunno.
    One noticeable thing is the descendants of Presidents being part of the Environmentalism racket.
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  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    One of the most interesting details of the whole Nate Parker/ Birth of a Nation controversy, was that his co-defendant who (unlike him) was convicted, received an extremely draconian sentence from the white supremacist legal system of…. 6 months. Which is of course the exact same as Brock Turner- except of course without the accompanying national two weeks of hate. It’s almost as if the judges in both cases calculated that as college aged defendants enrolled in a university, they had a much lower risk of reoffense than the usual low lifes that typically come before the bench… or something something white privilege.

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  31. Randal says:
    @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Not that easy. Feminists in the legal profession did away with the notion that you can’t rape your wife in the UK in 1991 by pretending (in the usual defiantly dishonest socially liberal way) that it had never really existed even though it had been generally accepted law in the country for centuries.

    I believe it was removed in the US as part of the same wave of triumphant social liberalism in the late C20th, though I don’t know the details of how it was done and whether it was judicial activism or legislation.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Indeed, but that doesn’t make any case for accepting the police and courts getting involved to make things worse.

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  32. The lack of white rapists relative to black rapists clearly indicates we need to loosen the definition of rape until such time as they are proportional, because #equality.

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    The lack of white rapists relative to black rapists clearly indicates we need to loosen the definition of rape until such time as they are proportional, because #equality.

     

    The Guardian surpassed itself with this news story that (essentially) white people in the UK are not committing enough crime and therefore blacks etc. should be given free crime passes.

    A superb piece of mendacity boosted by an anti-white politician.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/mar/20/race.justice
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  33. Randal says:
    @Twinkie

    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.
     
    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists (they have even lower rates of committing rape than whites do).

    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists

    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.

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    Yes, we could drop them into the sea at Liverpool. "America is that way!"
    , @Twinkie

    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.
     
    If you plan on continuing to comment on an American website, it helps to understand our language.

    By "Asian," we usually mean East Asians here. I would bet that the "Chinese" (for lack of a similar demographic catchall term over there) in the UK commit fewer rapes per capita and are incarcerated at lower rates than whites.
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  34. @inertial
    There are two possibilities. Either blacks do rape more. Or, white coeds falsely accuse blacks due to racism.

    In any case, let's just find a white guy and punish him because it's all his fault anyway.

    Or the third possibility, that blacks do rape more AND white coeds falsely accuse because of racism.

    On the one hand, Becky A.’s jungle fever runs hot on the dance floor and back at his apartment, but at 9:30 when she wakes up the fever subsides and she’s not okay with what happened. Especially when he doesn’t text her / blocks her number the next day.

    On the other hand, Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because “no means no”. Then shit gets real and she finds out that Tyrone wasn’t playing around.

    Both of those situations are likely to be quite common on our campuses. Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.

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    Or Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because “no means no”. Then shit gets real
     
    and Tyrone rapes and kills her. Happened at UVa in the last 5 years or so. Of course, she had her phone, so she was safe.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.
     
    It's a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed. They probably intuit this on some level, even while claiming racism at every turn.
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  35. @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women

    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don’t have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    One can be accused of sexual assault or rape and kafkatrapped with undue process without having had sex with a woman not one’s wife.

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  36. @AM

    Will anybody notice?
     
    That's the problem. They don't notice. SJW arguments generally don't work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    One assumes that politically incorrect tales of actual campus rape are simply swept under the rug by the kangroo courts. They're looking discipline drunken hook-ups by otherwise promising white men who were supposed to act as chaperones at age 19. Of course, colleges don't have chaperones anymore because in the 1960's young men and women with enough free time to be students have literally evolved beyond their inexperience and hormones. All adults! Except the woman who got drunk and/or did something stupid - she was merely a child and victim. sigh

    It appears that the best message to get out there is that the "Democrats are the real racists" counter arguments, even if true, are pointless. Just don't bother. The only way to counter the Narrative is to break it or mock it in unexpected ways.

    SJW arguments generally don’t work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    Why do you suppose that is?

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    Why do you suppose that is?
     
    Lots of things, but in part because SJW isn't actually a viewpoint based on reason. You can see that with almost any SJW accusation.

    Thus when you try to reason with them, point out the world isn't the story they have in their heads, they just blow it off. Their emotional systems haven't been engaged by your facts and they don't know how to reason, as general rule of thumb.

    It appears that latching to emotional ideas like "fake news" is more helpful than trying to point out the actual facts that caused the "fake news" assertion in the first place. You get intellectual "I'm helping types" disgusted by the lowing of the level of discourse, but the fact is you need two people willing and able to have a high level conversation.

    If the other side is only capable of shrieking "Bigot", you might get a whole lot more traction with accurate statement of "Liar! (Fake News!)", then discussing your street creds. Certainly Trump, who to the even most causal observer or researcher is not a bigot (his body language around blacks is comfortable and relaxed) has not had the slightest momentum with "Hello, duffuses, I'm not a bigot". "Fake news" however has cause all sorts of headaches for the "Bigot" shriekers.

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  37. Ed says:

    My roommate in college’s brother (black) got a scholarship to play football in CA, he’s from MD. He lasted a week before being accused of sexual impropriety and was sent packing back east.

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    Do you think the accusation had any merit?
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  38. CCZ says:

    Somewhat related to feminists versus blacks, we also have DACA versus blacks. Not much respect for young blacks (or even legal immigrants) when DACA enters the conversation. So who wins the prize, females, blacks, legal immigrants or DACA? No need to even consider native born “whites.”

    “White House claims ‘dreamers’ take jobs away from blacks and Hispanics. Here’s the truth.”
    By Tracy Jan, Washington Post, September 6

    Here’s the problem: immigrant and native-born workers are imperfect substitutes. There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

    “It is one thing to say that there are hundreds of thousands of minorities the same age that are unemployed, and a very different thing for them to have the same education, skills and experience as the employed DACA workers,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and former chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) presidential campaign.

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    There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
     
    What is the evidence that DACA beneficiaries have the necessary skills--and unemployed Americans don't?

    The article would offer evidence if it had any--instead it offers assertions from an adovcate.
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  39. The looney left must be so confused. In the Obama era they set up the kangaroo courts to punish the rapists, then Betsy DeVos came along and disbanded the kangaroo courts and they screamed bloody murder, where is the protection for the women they demanded? Women are once again the victims!

    Then they find out most of the males punished by the kangaroo courts are black. Now what? Are they still supposed to be mad that DeVos disbanded the kangaroo courts? Who’s the bigger victim group, black men or white women? Is this a problem of racism or sexism? They can’t decide. This is all too confusing for their addled brains, they are ready to explode.

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    Then they find out most of the males punished by the kangaroo courts are black.
     
    I wouldn't put too much money on that happening.

    They're professional not-finder-outers.
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  40. @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can’t claim racism and get away with it.

    Are you sure an accused would not have an opportunity to make a counter-allegation of racism, even if he is not afforded a chance to “confront” the accuser in person?

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  41. Ed says:
    @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.

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    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn't do certain things.

    Going to a strange man's hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn't dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.
    , @AM

    Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    Yeah, because rape always happens in the view of a mob of witnesses. And 4 number, I believe is the number of female witnesses required to vouch for a rape against 1 male.

    Sharia law, a real win for humanity.

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn't assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I'm not asking too much am I?
    , @Neoconned
    I dated a liberal nominal Muslim girl when i was in college. So i don't have the Arabpbobia and disdain for the ME some commenters here do.

    There was a case a few yrs back in Iran where this dude threw acid in a womans face because she refused his advances or some such. Long story short the Iranian court said his punishment was holding him down and letting her do the same to him....she declined....

    I compare that to what would happen here. Hed get groupies and women sending him fan mail w topless photos begging him to dominate them. Look at Manson:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873391/Meet-new-Mrs-Charles-Manson-Serial-killer-s-new-wife-pictured-ring-wedding-finger-announced-plans-marry-murderer-killed-seven-people-notorious-cult.html

    He has girls younger than me trying to marry him. I bet if theyd let her shed try to get pregnant w his kid.

    I think the Iranian court gave the guy lashes instead and gouged out his eyes or something and life in prison....

    Personally i prefer the Iranian justice system in some circumstances....

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/eye-for-an-eye-iran-blinds-man-who-carried-out-acid-attack
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  42. @Ed
    My roommate in college's brother (black) got a scholarship to play football in CA, he's from MD. He lasted a week before being accused of sexual impropriety and was sent packing back east.

    Do you think the accusation had any merit?

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  43. Tiny Duck says:

    Black Americans are an oppressed minority in the U.S. The first step of the Civil Rights movement should have been to establish this fact at the United Nations.
    The Native Nations likely have claims of crimes against humanity for the actions against them by the U.S. government.
    Latinos don’t fare much better. The way the president and DOJ handled DACA makes it clear that Latinos are not valued by this administraton.

    white girls are promiscuous and prey on Black Men. When their racist fathers find out they claim rape

    This is why demographics must change so that we can take race into account when meting out justice

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  44. @Steve Sailer
    Will anybody notice?

    Steve,

    She recently wrote two other articles against kangaroo sexual assault courts in college. Stop falling back on your priors and giver her a read.

    One about the “science” used in dealing with sexual assault:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-bad-science-behind-campus-response-to-sexual-assault/539211/

    And one in general against having colleges try sexual assault cases:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

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    That's like saying Steve falls back on his priors by criticizing madman David Brooks' most recent column because Brooks espoused immigration restriction in the past.

    What does one thing have to do with the other?
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  45. @Ed
    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it's nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.

    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn’t do certain things.

    Going to a strange man’s hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn’t dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

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    Going to a strange man’s hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn’t dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.
     
    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that's out there, as is wearing "do me" clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.

    Women do have some responsibilities here. Frustratingly modern society only seems to have the Arabic garbage bag look or "I forgot to put on 1/2 of my clothes" look. Early 20th century fashions seems to have a better balance.
    , @guest
    That's not to mention something I keep hearing, whereby girls say they were raped because they were making out with a guy then suddenly "he was inside me." What? How did he get past your pants and panties?

    Apparently, it's normal girl behavior to make out bottomlessly without implying they want sex.
    , @Corn
    I believe the great Camille Paglia called her gender out for this idiocy once, saying something to the effect, "When you're at a party at 1 or 2am and that guy you met suggests moving to a room upstairs to talk, HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK!!!"
    , @Anonymous
    Kim Novak famously tossed a hotel key at Muhammad Ali one night circa 1964. Ali famously tossed it back. "I don't fool around with no white women".

    That was how a woman on the prowl did it if she were the affluent, sporting kind. It meant she had the cash for a motel room. She had a change of clothing, several rubbers, a portable douche kit (in case one broke) and probably some kind of weapon in case she'd grossly misjudged her intended suitor.But it was the safest way to have sex with a man not her husband. It was the elaborate version of the Zipless Fuck.

    Miss Novak's peculiarity for the time and her station was that Ali was black. Ali's greater peculiarity was rejecting the offer. Kim Novak in 1964 was an A List actress.

    Times have changed.
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  46. guest says:
    @SFG
    I don't know, but it's worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson's fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don't like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women's activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it's diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

    Milo is successful because his persona short-circuits interlocutors and would-be critics. They didn’t know how to handle his arguments–or didn’t before they resorted to the old standby of insinuations of pedophilia–because of who he is and how he talks. I don’t know what that has to do with this situation.

    Accusing universities of railroading blacks will not and probably cannot short-circuit the left into advocating due process for all accused rapists. There is something to the idea of splitting the fringes. But blacks might not win in this case, as they normally would over womenz, because too much has been invested in the Campus Rape Culture. Even if they do, that doesn’t mean Haven Monahan will get a fair hearing along with Shitavious.

    Tiered systems of justice are a-okay in Progressiveland.

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  47. guest says:
    @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    “If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can’t claim racism and get away with it”

    He may not know the race of his accuser, but he knows his own race. Can’t he claim racism on the basis of his race alone? “Y’all wouldn’t be doin this to me if I was white.” (They would, oh yes, but they don’t need to admit that to themselves.)

    Odds are the alleged victim won’t be black. But even if she were, that’s what the terms “systemic” and “false consciousness” are for.

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  48. nebulafox says:
    @AM

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.
     
    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he's gay - Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn't work either.

    And yes, muslims don't like gays, but let's be clear, the SJWs don't really like gays either. They've already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

    It is not at all hard to find gay people-especially of the fiscally conservative professional, masculine/non-campy version-who support the Front National in France. For them, cultural Catholicism is an acceptable price to pay if it proves to be a more reliable bulwark against radical Islamism than their traditional liberal allies.

    Marine Le Pen, as part of her overall efforts to “detox” the FN from Jean-Marie’s image, has made moves to court French gays. She refused to support the anti-gay marriage march in Paris in 2015. In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.

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    In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.
     
    It's a political winner right now. I'd certainly rather see her win in the today, then lose by being the Catholic evangelist she is not. She's a politician.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back, they're going to have return to being the daughters of the Catholic Church.

    Tolerance of open homosexuality in any society is a symptom of late stage decay and that underlying society has become promiscuous. It's hard to be great when you're thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups. It turns out that homosexuality is also not so hot for the individual in question either and isn't be encouraged. In a weird backwards way, all those dudes who seemed overly rigid about sex, and homosexual sex in particular, were doing everyone a favor.

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  49. Former assistant coach Kendal Briles — the son of the head coach — once told a Dallas-area student athlete, “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players,” according to the suit. …

    And STILL Steve is a “sports fan”! How ANY white (or Asian) man can support ANY African sport at this point is simply beyond my comprehension given the very real harm inflicted on our wives and daughters as a direct result.

    Just stop it. Give it up. Many of us have quit smoking or drinking or whatever because of the harm to ourselves and loved ones. African sports are NO different. Frankly, they’re worse. I’d far rather die from lung cancer or liver failure than be brutally beaten to death by a mob of Africans or (far worse still) have my mother, wife, or daughter raped and/or killed.

    Take my word for it, there is still life after swearing off all support for Africans.

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    Watching grown men play a children's game extraordinarily well, when you are a child, is fun. Occasionally playing a children's game as an adult, particularly with your own children, is fun. I enjoy tossing the football around with my sons. Watching other adults play a children's game, as an adult, is starting to get strange. Feeling emotionally attached to said adults playing said children's game, and spending your hard earned money in various ways to show your devotion, is pathetic.

    "… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses."

    I'm sure it ends just as well for us as it did the Romans.
    , @Marty T
    There's always hockey!
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  50. Daniel H says:

    >>The archetypal image of the campus rapist is a rich, white fraternity athlete.

    Gee, I wonder how that archetypal image was created?

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  51. guest says:
    @AM

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.
     
    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he's gay - Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn't work either.

    And yes, muslims don't like gays, but let's be clear, the SJWs don't really like gays either. They've already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

    I don’t want to diminish Milo’s skills and talent, but how many people with his array of ideas get national media exposure? How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?

    There’s something about Milo as a person that disarms the opposition, or at least used to. Some combination of “lifestyle,” accent, and hair.

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    How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?
     
    This is a testament to his raw talent. I wish he'd get serious about getting rid of the homosexuality and the playing effiminate jester. He's getting too old for both and the homosexuality is going to kill him. (I know that's a weird thing to say, but given life expectancies of gay men and who says he's having sex with, his is very low. Homosexuals quite often have the tinge of the suicidal in their expressions and he does to me. )

    Some combination of “lifestyle,” accent, and hair.

     

    Just an impression, but it feels like a persona that makes it easier to be in public. The best version of Milo, at least my mind's eye, doesn't need any of that.
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  52. AM says:
    @Ed
    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it's nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.

    Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.

    Yeah, because rape always happens in the view of a mob of witnesses. And 4 number, I believe is the number of female witnesses required to vouch for a rape against 1 male.

    Sharia law, a real win for humanity.

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn’t assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I’m not asking too much am I?

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    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn’t assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I’m not asking too much am I?
     
    That sounds like too much "muh-rule-of-law" for some folks, I guess.

    In regards to Ed's comment on rape prosecution under Sharia, what if the 4 males are ALL the rapists, and the women is just there to watch? See, the 4 men are all victims too. It's like that "Doctor is my grandmother" riddle, except there is one more twist: A goat is involved. Is there any precedent yet from Islamic jurisprudence? Any iSteve-Imams on standby this fine evening?

    "The goat was cool, and he never said a mumblin' word."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZHSIhdYSZY

    I've got a song about Sharia, I mean lyrics only, that I'm just waiting for a post to drop it under.
    , @MEH 0910

    and hanging rapists (but keeping the child)
     
    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.
    , @Yak-15
    I am with you on this one.

    Besides, in Sharia countries must of the raping is interfamily anyhow...
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  53. guest says:
    @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This is routine “intersectionality.” How did To Kill a Mockingbird escape criticism all these decades for making a liar out of Mayella Ewell? Because black trumps female.

    It’s risky to admit that not all alleged rapes are true. But this case is cloaked in negro armor.

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  54. @SFG
    I don't know, but it's worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson's fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don't like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women's activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it's diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it’s diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

    That disadvantage is more than offset by the glue that keeps them together: hatred for white men for our achievements since the dawn of recorded history.

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    That disadvantage is more than offset by the glue that keeps them together: hatred for white men for our achievements since the dawn of recorded history.
     
    Indeed. As folks like Genghis Khan have long demonstrated, plenty of fractious groups with deep grudges and ancient enmities can be united by the provision of a common enemy to battle… and to loot. And as the author at "Fifth Political Theory" put it in his lengthy review of Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars from 4chan and Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right:

    Perhaps the most intriguing part of Nagle’s discussion of the vanguard left comes via yet another episode at a British university. An apostate Muslim woman from Iran was invited to speak at Goldsmiths University, only to find herself objected to by the campus “Islamic Society” along with the “Feminist Society” and the “LGBT Society” (79-80). One wonders what kind of mental hoops the feminists were required to jump through to back the Islamists against a woman who left Islam, let alone what obstacle course the LGBTists ran to defend Islamists over a secularist. The apostate, who in criticizing Islam moved from being a victim to a victimizer, found herself assailed by an alliance of marxists and Muslims. This is extremely ironic and Nagle demonstrates she is aware of it.

    The Islamist-Feminist-LGBTist alliance also raises interesting questions about the alt right theory of institutional multiculturalism being self-defeating. If feminists, homosexuals, and transvestites are willing to not only defer to but come to the aid of Muslims in debates over identity and free speech, then multiculturalism as an ideology has a future that doesn’t involve collapsing into an orgy of violent balkanization along ethnic and religious lines, at least not any time soon. So long as mutual opposition can be maintained against designated enemies (white male heterosexuals, people who criticize Islam, wealthy people who do not virtue signal appropriately about the latest social changes, etc.), the coalition of minorities will endure. That vanguard feminists prefer patriarchy as long as it isn’t European (e.g. Islam) is also a fascinating dynamic to observe. What the future holds for these currents is something the alt right and the Western diaspora should pay attention to, because there is a very real chance that ‘accelerationism’ applied to liberal cosmopolitanism is not going to lead to ethnic nationalism.
     
    My fear is that, so long as one white person still lives, the KKKrazy glue of hating whitey will remain strong enough to overcome the internal differences of the Coalition of the Fringes, and they simply are never going to turn on each other until after they've rendereed us literally extinct. And extinction is forever.
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  55. AM says:
    @Alec Leamas

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn't do certain things.

    Going to a strange man's hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn't dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

    Going to a strange man’s hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn’t dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.

    Women do have some responsibilities here. Frustratingly modern society only seems to have the Arabic garbage bag look or “I forgot to put on 1/2 of my clothes” look. Early 20th century fashions seems to have a better balance.

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    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.
     
    Young women are narcissists, tending to solipsists.

    In their minds, they're dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don't like are "creepy" and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    A corollary of this is that after two glasses of Chardonnay responsibility for a woman's virtue and physical safety becomes entirely the responsibility of every man present regardless of how wanton she acts and how enthusiastically she pursues sexual contact. Her consumption of some alcohol means that her consent is invalid ab initio. Except maybe unless the guy is hot. And calls back.
    , @Pericles
    Stumbling around drunk at 2AM in an alley with half a minidress on is a political statement, you see. Slutwalk and all that.
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  56. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.
     
    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists (they have even lower rates of committing rape than whites do).

    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?

    Morbid sarcasm aside, I agree, but as a lot of societal trends (above all elite college admissions) prove, Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite. And the practically venal, too, but that’s another story. In a way, they sort of have invisible status for the SJW types, unless they actively take up politics.

    South Asians are also generally a bit of a different matter from East and Southeast Asians. Generally speaking, Pakistani and Indian Americans tend to contribute negligible levels of crime and antisocial behavior in general. But sexual harassment-and much worse-is a *big* issue on the subcontinent in a way that it isn’t in, say, China. I’ve heard of more than one women leaving programming because they couldn’t take the behavior of the H1-B visa importees in the office anymore.

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    Pakistani Moslem rapists are a big problem in the UK. I haven't read about Hindu and Sikh rapists, except as victims of Pakistani Moslems, along with white girls.
    , @Twinkie

    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?
     
    Er, we nuked them out of existence?

    Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite.
     
    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/linsanity-postgame-cold-open/n13399?snl=1
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  57. @Chrisnonymous
    This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn't mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren't allowed to suggest that.

    This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.

    The Democrat Party and its minions in the media are undergoing some profound changes, some results of which you see unfolding in articles in The Atlantic (in the Sanctum Sanitorium [no, not a misprint] of Democratland, with CNN, NYT and WaPo). There has been some quiet discussion among the DNC, donors and their media lackeys about the abject failures of the Coalition of the Fringes and of Identity Politics, and goodbye Hillary, just leave already.

    Think of the article above as a type of trial balloon in their repositioning process. Political parties are not immune to abrupt changes, reflections, or staring thoughtfully into the middle distance. For example, note the fallout from the 1972 McGovern shellacking that led to the abandonment of organized labor, except of course for their ongoing donations. The Dems see that Hillary’s brand is toxic, and so a new approach is required. Look for a new slogan roll-out with full media article, blog and columnar support in advance of the 2018 campaigning, which by the way is just the latest installment in their permanent campaign. Maybe this time they won’t alienate so many people, but don’t count on it. When in competition with the Stupid Party, it is at times painful to watch the self-inflicted damage, at least without a beverage.

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  58. guest says:
    @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    “You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks”

    Of course I can. Because in the woman’s case, she’s up against violent human nature. In men’s case, all that we’re asking is for the legal system (as well as the press) to operate responsibly.

    Men should be on guard against being falsely accused. It’s their responsibility not to sleep with nutbags in alleyways, for instance. But it’s our responsibility as a society to give them fair trials.

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  59. songbird says:

    That Brock guy’s picture and story got a lot of play on Facebook. Sharing a rape story where you know neither the place, the victim (assuming it’s gone to trial), or the perpetrator is pretty odd in my opinion. It seems pretty easy to judge it as virtue signaling, and that is really interesting when you compare it to some of the other stuff these same individuals share.

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  60. Saxon says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    This is a pretty amazing article in that a female author doesn't mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren't allowed to suggest that.

    Well yes but she only wants to suggest this with the tired trope with no data to support it that this is all just white women with some sort of jungle fever having morning after regrets, but you see this white frat boy rapist trope that was wholly manufactured and not supported by any empirical data is obviously 100% accurate.

    It’s just like in Canada where there’s conveniently no data kept on crimes by race so they can grandstand about how their narratives must be true because designated victim groups end up in prison more often. Here you now see it being used in the opposite direction to claim that even though they have no data proving it, it must be true that white fratboys are doing all of the raping because that’s what I’ve been told over so my tortured circular logic must be true, and by extension of course the blacks are just getting punished for the non-existent campus rape epidemic being committed by these white fratboys because racism.

    When you look at any empirical crime data though you’ll see this crime in particular is one where white men don’t commit anywhere near as much rape as black men, and what’s more is that the interracial rape category is usually white on black with a recorded number of 0 (meaning actual 0 or within the margin of error) while the reverse is upwards of 40,000 a year in the US.

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  61. @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    Jesus Christ, the Duke lacrosse fiasco wasn’t that long ago.

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    Ann had an apt quote in one of her articles about that fiasco, something like, "Lie down with strippers, wake with pleas."
    , @ScarletNumber
    The Duke players put themselves in that situation, so I didn't feel bad for them in the least.
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  62. @AM

    Will anybody notice?
     
    That's the problem. They don't notice. SJW arguments generally don't work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    One assumes that politically incorrect tales of actual campus rape are simply swept under the rug by the kangroo courts. They're looking discipline drunken hook-ups by otherwise promising white men who were supposed to act as chaperones at age 19. Of course, colleges don't have chaperones anymore because in the 1960's young men and women with enough free time to be students have literally evolved beyond their inexperience and hormones. All adults! Except the woman who got drunk and/or did something stupid - she was merely a child and victim. sigh

    It appears that the best message to get out there is that the "Democrats are the real racists" counter arguments, even if true, are pointless. Just don't bother. The only way to counter the Narrative is to break it or mock it in unexpected ways.

    The only way to counter the Narrative is to break it or mock it in unexpected ways.

    Mocking is particularly effective. Arm wrestle feminists. Laugh at stupid Africans. Be Men!

    And Propaganda – talk about and show photos of African crimes against white women and children. There are literally thousands of news reports of crimes too horrific to contemplate. Force men (Men!) to see the raped, maimed, mutilated, and murdered elderly women (our mothers), women (our wives and daughters), and children. Push links to folks who aggregate these news reports like Colin Flaherty and others who do NOT spew Stormfront-like garbage. They’ll respond by sputtering that “white men do it too” whereupon you can easily and irrefutably prove that interracial crime is 99.9% African criminal vs white (or increasingly Asian) victim.

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  63. guest says:
    @Alec Leamas

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn't do certain things.

    Going to a strange man's hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn't dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

    That’s not to mention something I keep hearing, whereby girls say they were raped because they were making out with a guy then suddenly “he was inside me.” What? How did he get past your pants and panties?

    Apparently, it’s normal girl behavior to make out bottomlessly without implying they want sex.

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  64. 3g4me says:

    @42 Alec Leamas: “But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn’t do certain things.”

    This. I really wonder about all those putative fathers of all those princesses who go out dancing with Tyrone or have a drink with Latavious in his room. Did it never once cross their minds that their daughters’ behavior ought to be monitored? Did it never occur to them to have “the talk” about drinking and sex – and, more importantly, about engaging with non-White men at all? I have a really hard time feeling sorry for entitled, pampered, race-blind princesses who think they can manipulate any man’s sexuality without inverse consequences. But I find I feel fury towards those White fathers who utterly failed at their job in raising their daughters – not merely how not to be a mudshark, but how not to be a thot period. The Negro behavior is utterly expected and blaming them for their inherent nature (no future-time orientation, unwarranted high self-regard, and a focus on physical appetites and their slaking to the exclusion of all else) is no surprise to anyone with more than a double-digit IQ. The fault lies in the Whites who recruited them, who enrolled them, and who lacked any concern for their race or its future, and the fathers who failed to value their daughters enough to teach them to value themselves by controlling their sexuality.

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    Dad's influence on his little princess ends at about age 13. The public schools indoctrinate young minds with Gender/Racial/Ethnic Equality! Celebrate Diversity! Champion Multiculturalism! Intersectional Inclusion! and all of princess' peers jump on the bandwagon. Home schooling seems the only escape.

    Of course the problem starts with Dad creating the little princess in the first palce--treating her as a little pricess, telling her his little princess can do no wrong, and inculcating her belief that every man wants to treat her as a princess and put her on a pedestal.

    At the end of the day, it seems to come down to Daddy issues--too much princess and the pedestal--or an absent father. A happy medium would be good.
    , @Anon
    The divorce rate is around 30% for white parents, so it's likely that a significant percentage of these white girls hanging around black men don't have a father in the household to teach them common sense when they need it.
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  65. guest says:
    @Average Man
    Steve,

    She recently wrote two other articles against kangaroo sexual assault courts in college. Stop falling back on your priors and giver her a read.

    One about the "science" used in dealing with sexual assault:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-bad-science-behind-campus-response-to-sexual-assault/539211/

    And one in general against having colleges try sexual assault cases:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

    That’s like saying Steve falls back on his priors by criticizing madman David Brooks’ most recent column because Brooks espoused immigration restriction in the past.

    What does one thing have to do with the other?

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    No, it isn't. It would be as if Brooks wrote almost exclusively about the problems of unlimited immigration (the "campus rape" delusion is Yoffe's specialty) and wrote one article emphasizing that it particularly was a problem for native blacks. Which can be true even if blacks cause a lot of their own problems that aren't caused by immigration.
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  66. AM says:
    @Opinionator
    SJW arguments generally don’t work in reverse or with stories outside of the Narrative.

    Why do you suppose that is?

    Why do you suppose that is?

    Lots of things, but in part because SJW isn’t actually a viewpoint based on reason. You can see that with almost any SJW accusation.

    Thus when you try to reason with them, point out the world isn’t the story they have in their heads, they just blow it off. Their emotional systems haven’t been engaged by your facts and they don’t know how to reason, as general rule of thumb.

    It appears that latching to emotional ideas like “fake news” is more helpful than trying to point out the actual facts that caused the “fake news” assertion in the first place. You get intellectual “I’m helping types” disgusted by the lowing of the level of discourse, but the fact is you need two people willing and able to have a high level conversation.

    If the other side is only capable of shrieking “Bigot”, you might get a whole lot more traction with accurate statement of “Liar! (Fake News!)”, then discussing your street creds. Certainly Trump, who to the even most causal observer or researcher is not a bigot (his body language around blacks is comfortable and relaxed) has not had the slightest momentum with “Hello, duffuses, I’m not a bigot”. “Fake news” however has cause all sorts of headaches for the “Bigot” shriekers.

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    Good post
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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints

    Well, we can easily redress this problem by gathering stats on interracial rape on campus.
    Let’s do that and exonerate the reputation of black males and expose white males as the real predators.

    But then, it’s precisely PC that shuts down obvious noticing of black thuggery… as in Portland recently.

    And FBI stopped releasing data on interracial rape.

    PC demands that the government stop gathering and releasing such facts… but then complains that we don’t have accurate data.

    What lowlife rats.

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  68. @Anon
    I don't think white folks should care about white girls raped by blacks in colleges.

    They went black. Who cares what happens to them.

    Rather harsh. If they were raped is it fair to say they “went black”?

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    Not harsh. College rape is date rape. When you are alone with Mike Tyson you are under some expectation to understand what happens next. Or Kobe. In those cultures, and not only in those cultures, that is not rape.
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  69. Slightly OT, but too hilariously iSteve-ish to miss:

    Baltimore’s Famous National Chess Champion Isn’t A National Chess Champion

    The biggest chess story of the year is uplifting—and bogus.

    On May 31, the Baltimore Sun ran a feature on a seventh-grader whom the paper identified in the headline as a “national chess champion.” According to the Sun’s story, the 12-year-old learned to play the millennia-old board game in a local barbershop and, while representing Roland Park Elementary and Middle School, a K-8 public school in the city system, came back from a Tennessee tournament earlier in the month as “Baltimore’s first national chess champion.”

    Great story. Never happened.

    Real story:

    http://deadspin.com/baltimores-famous-national-chess-champion-isnt-a-nation-1795900338

    Bogus story:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/7th-grader-becomes-baltimores-first-ever-national-chess-champion/2017/05/31/f21ed4ac-4616-11e7-98cd-af64b4fe2dfc_story.html

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    The most illuminating thing about the event is that the city editor of the Baltimore Sun said that since the kid was keeping himself off the street by dedicating himself to mediocre chess play, then they are not correcting the story and will leave him identified as the national championship.
    Twelve kamillionth demonstration of what passes for thought in the Leftist mind. The truth is not what is factual,but what their fairy tale, castles in the sky mental constructs say it is. If it SHOULD be true then by cracky, it IS true.
    , @Anon
    There ought to be a special feature on Unz that highlights SJW articles in newspapers that are flat-out lies.
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  70. @Cagey Beast
    I was reminded of a quote from Golda Meir I don't much like: "peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us". Maybe the NCAA version of that is "a rape free campus will come when the alumni love their daughters more than they hate Florida State"?

    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there’s no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money – a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It’s just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I’d be the last to say “YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL”, but if you’re gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you’re some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle “Freddie” would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back – something like “Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.”, over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I’m not Freddie ;-}

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    • Replies: @Marty
    I don't watch pro or college football, but tgsn I'm not smart enough to understand statistics, either.
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    I've gone almost cold turkey on everything except a little MLB and Tarheel hoops (and even there I don't follow things like recruiting, or who is coming back next year).
    , @Maj. Kong
    Life is better without the sportsball obsession. If the right-wing systemically disengaged from college and pro sports, the country would be tremendously better off. D-1 Football creates a positive, tribalistic impression of a state flagship university that otherwise would be known mostly as an indoctrination center for CultMarx.
    , @KM32
    You've made some good points. When you add in the fact that it's a system for leaving maimed, brain-damaged bodies who start suffering dementia at 45, then it's hardly moral to continue supporting for other reasons, as well.
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  71. AM says:
    @guest
    I don't want to diminish Milo's skills and talent, but how many people with his array of ideas get national media exposure? How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?

    There's something about Milo as a person that disarms the opposition, or at least used to. Some combination of "lifestyle," accent, and hair.

    How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?

    This is a testament to his raw talent. I wish he’d get serious about getting rid of the homosexuality and the playing effiminate jester. He’s getting too old for both and the homosexuality is going to kill him. (I know that’s a weird thing to say, but given life expectancies of gay men and who says he’s having sex with, his is very low. Homosexuals quite often have the tinge of the suicidal in their expressions and he does to me. )

    Some combination of “lifestyle,” accent, and hair.

    Just an impression, but it feels like a persona that makes it easier to be in public. The best version of Milo, at least my mind’s eye, doesn’t need any of that.

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    be careful. he just might be hollow.

    He's cute and all, but really I think he loves being in the spotlight and found that being outrageous could get him there.
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  72. J.Ross says: • Website

    So this meme — most succinctly represented by Ralph Bakshi in the film Coonskin, where a “Miss America” causes a black man to be hanged instantaneously by simply saying the word “rape” — has always been garbage and is on its way to recognition and rejection for even normies. Has there been any thought about why and how it was promoted, and decided to be promoted, specifically the role of the Leo Frank case? Is it known that this unquestionable article of faith was discussed or propagated before the Frank case? A major part of that case was nationwide mainstream media malignment of the South and its law courts, hedging bets to delegitimize an unfavorable outcome.
    Jewish organizations like to “cast a giant shadow,” but among their biggest effects are knock-ons and join-ins from outside the community, as the looming wave of non-Jewish hate hoax insurance scams will prove.

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  73. @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    I don’t know, but being 27 y/o, maybe with some more schooling sometime, because IT MAY BE YOU!? How would you like that, if you got accused of rape and had no due process. You can add that to the ” fairness/ autism (WTF?)/muh rule-of-law” business.

    Some people have to learn things the hard way – I hope it is not you, at least on this type of thing.

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    27-year-old's ilk are pretty sanguine about the whole thing (shading into enthusiastic among the SJW types) because they're not in that minority of young men likely to be accused - the sexually active.
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  74. Corn says:
    @Alec Leamas

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn't do certain things.

    Going to a strange man's hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn't dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

    I believe the great Camille Paglia called her gender out for this idiocy once, saying something to the effect, “When you’re at a party at 1 or 2am and that guy you met suggests moving to a room upstairs to talk, HE DOESN’T WANT TO TALK!!!”

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  75. AM says:
    @nebulafox
    It is not at all hard to find gay people-especially of the fiscally conservative professional, masculine/non-campy version-who support the Front National in France. For them, cultural Catholicism is an acceptable price to pay if it proves to be a more reliable bulwark against radical Islamism than their traditional liberal allies.

    Marine Le Pen, as part of her overall efforts to "detox" the FN from Jean-Marie's image, has made moves to court French gays. She refused to support the anti-gay marriage march in Paris in 2015. In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She's even written articles about it in the NYT.

    In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.

    It’s a political winner right now. I’d certainly rather see her win in the today, then lose by being the Catholic evangelist she is not. She’s a politician.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back, they’re going to have return to being the daughters of the Catholic Church.

    Tolerance of open homosexuality in any society is a symptom of late stage decay and that underlying society has become promiscuous. It’s hard to be great when you’re thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups. It turns out that homosexuality is also not so hot for the individual in question either and isn’t be encouraged. In a weird backwards way, all those dudes who seemed overly rigid about sex, and homosexual sex in particular, were doing everyone a favor.

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    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn't likely going to happen, and that's what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam. But I do think, fundamentally speaking, Islamism can only be combated by a similar ideal that speaks to the soul, to emotion.

    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means, as it spoke to the brain. The Eastern Bloc collapsed not least because people wanted to be *like* the West, to own nice economic products, to be able to eat better, to have personal liberties, and the people of the Eastern Bloc had been very aware for some time-and we made every effort to remind them of it-how much wealthier and comfortable the West was. Very different dynamic with Islamism. Attempting to fight it like we did Communism, as both Bush II and Obama tried, arguably inflames it. Leftists throughout history have often been quite inept in dealing with the emotional needs of human beings, something their enemies have often exploited-probably one of the reasons Islamism won out over pan-Arab Ba'athism in the long run. Another thing often noticed is that jihadists in places like Cairo or Jakarta are usually underemployed engineers, not slum dwellers-so to think that education necessarily will turn young men away from Islamism is an error.

    >It’s hard to be great when you’re thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups.

    I dunno. Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn't prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield. But granted, I think most of them would also be taken aback at the whole campy/effeminate, hedonistic trend in modern gay culture. Frederick prided himself on being the First Servant of the State, not the First Slave of...

    , @NickG

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back
     
    Collectively the French lost their 'mojo' 101 years ago in the meat-grinder of Verdun, without much sign of it returning since.

    What basis do you have for not attributing this alleged impending return of 'mojo' to anything other than wishful thinking?

    , @Anon
    Your last twenty or so words were deliberate funning, right? It's okay, you can tell me, this is a safe space.
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  76. @AM

    Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    Yeah, because rape always happens in the view of a mob of witnesses. And 4 number, I believe is the number of female witnesses required to vouch for a rape against 1 male.

    Sharia law, a real win for humanity.

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn't assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I'm not asking too much am I?

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn’t assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I’m not asking too much am I?

    That sounds like too much “muh-rule-of-law” for some folks, I guess.

    In regards to Ed’s comment on rape prosecution under Sharia, what if the 4 males are ALL the rapists, and the women is just there to watch? See, the 4 men are all victims too. It’s like that “Doctor is my grandmother” riddle, except there is one more twist: A goat is involved. Is there any precedent yet from Islamic jurisprudence? Any iSteve-Imams on standby this fine evening?

    “The goat was cool, and he never said a mumblin’ word.”

    I’ve got a song about Sharia, I mean lyrics only, that I’m just waiting for a post to drop it under.

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  77. MEH 0910 says:
    @AM

    Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    Yeah, because rape always happens in the view of a mob of witnesses. And 4 number, I believe is the number of female witnesses required to vouch for a rape against 1 male.

    Sharia law, a real win for humanity.

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn't assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I'm not asking too much am I?

    and hanging rapists (but keeping the child)

    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.

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    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.
     
    Even though you didn't ask why rape is a capital crime, I'll state it anyway. :) It has the potential to remove otherwise good future mothers and wives out of society. Adding violence to sex can harm a young girl in ways mentally that she may never recover from. The rapist destroyed an entire potential family, which is why it's capital in nature.

    Along with woman, however, the child is also an innocent. We don't know what genes he or she got or what their individual potential is, good or bad. To kill him or her for the crime of being related to a rapist is a miscarriage of justice. It wouldn't occur to you to kill the brother or mother of rapist, and they're as equally related as a child.

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don't really know what we're doing.

    , @Anon
    Good genes should not be forced into an alliance with bad ones just because someone other than the victim wants to force the victim to comply with his demands. Someone who wants to force the victim to to give birth to the rapist's spawn and raise it against her will is a person who is as evil-minded a thug as the rapist.

    Even a few days after a rape, that thing's not even an embryo, and it doesn't have any nerve cells that could feel pain or brain cells to comprehend pain. It's not going to regret its own demise.
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  78. Two questions that should be asked regarding campus rape that would help to more accurately determine the race of the perps.

    1. Is the student accused an athlete or not?

    2. If yes to first question, which sport does he predominantly play?

    The NFL is roughly 75% black and so is the NBA. Both sports are increasing their total black share within each passing decade.
    In some NCAA conferences (e.g. SEC), many college’s football teams have black players that exceeds 90% of the entire roster and the same goes for men’s basketball.

    Remember, if question #1 is yes and he plays either football or basketball, there’s virtually up to a 90% chance the race of the perp will be non-white.

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  79. Lot says:

    Janet Halley, Harvard’s alpha butch lez quoted in the article, looks like Tim Cook.

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    She's wearing a black turtleneck? She's apparently trying to channel Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos. There ought to be rule, beware of women who wear black turtlenecks.
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  80. Forbes says:

    Rape and sexual assault, as defined in the penal code, are felonies and misdemeanors. By what authority does Yoffe rely upon to make such a fatuous statement:

    While the Office for Civil Rights (OCR), which regulates how colleges respond to sexual assault…

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  81. @nebulafox
    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?

    Morbid sarcasm aside, I agree, but as a lot of societal trends (above all elite college admissions) prove, Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite. And the practically venal, too, but that's another story. In a way, they sort of have invisible status for the SJW types, unless they actively take up politics.

    South Asians are also generally a bit of a different matter from East and Southeast Asians. Generally speaking, Pakistani and Indian Americans tend to contribute negligible levels of crime and antisocial behavior in general. But sexual harassment-and much worse-is a *big* issue on the subcontinent in a way that it isn't in, say, China. I've heard of more than one women leaving programming because they couldn't take the behavior of the H1-B visa importees in the office anymore.

    Pakistani Moslem rapists are a big problem in the UK. I haven’t read about Hindu and Sikh rapists, except as victims of Pakistani Moslems, along with white girls.

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    When you import 2/3rds of your Pakistanis from Miripur, one of the backwards, uneducated places in all the Muslim World, don't be surprised when they bring their ghetto ways with them. American Pakistanis, by contrast, tend to do pretty well and, for the most part, are pretty well assimilated. Our own issues with unruly minorities thankfully lie with other demographics for the most part. (One thing that I occasionally wonder about is the rate of conversion to Islam among black prisoners in the US.)

    Sikhs and Hindus in the UK, from what I've read, tend to be heavily middle class and do just fine. That Sikh guy with the Union Jack turban bellowing out God Save the Queen last week...

    , @LondonBob
    Plenty of issues with Sikhs and Hindus, blacks are the biggest issue still. Sorry I know we are meant to obsess only about Muslims.
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  82. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anonguy
    OT, but one I think iStevers might want to look into.

    Has anyone looked into winning presidents, or other electoral candidates, based upon the male/female sex ratio of their children compared to their opponent? Is there any pattern there?

    Truman- 1 D.; Johnson-2D.; Nixon- 2D.; Carter- 1D.; Bubba-1D.; Shrub-2D.; BHO-2D, dunno.
    One noticeable thing is the descendants of Presidents being part of the Environmentalism racket.

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  83. Lot says:
    @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    “Confront” here means cross-examine anyone giving evidence against you. I do not think these cases involve men not getting the name of the accuser.

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    “Confront” here means cross-examine anyone giving evidence against you. I do not think these cases involve men not getting the name of the accuser.
     
    Some of these cases - perhaps the worst, but still - start by questioning the accused without revealing what the inquiry is about and even the identity of the accuser. Some proceedings have permitted witnesses (including, for example, campus rape activists with whom the accuser spoke/sought counseling) to give statements received into evidence without the ability of the accused to confront/cross-examine/even hear the nature of the evidence. It's that bad.

    I can't imagine what it would be like to be nineteen or twenty and to be put through a ringer like this where the officious adult administrators/investigators are utterly uninterested in exculpatory information and won't deal with or recognize counsel on your behalf.
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  84. @AM

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.
     
    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he's gay - Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn't work either.

    And yes, muslims don't like gays, but let's be clear, the SJWs don't really like gays either. They've already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

    I agree with you completely, AM. I think most on here agree that one can’t talk just logic to these SJW ctnrl-left people, as in “Hey, why do you Jewish politicians want the Moslems in, you know it’s gonna bite you all in the ass before too long?”, etc. The leaders of the different ethnicities, races, and so forth really don’t want to think that long term – it’s beyond the span of their careers, and the useful idiots who follow them, well that’s what they are.

    However, even at the next level, in these conflicts of Social Justices, like this one – black people first, but, wait, we have a rape epidemic – I don’t think you can outsmart them as per some of the comments here. It’s all just emotional to these people, and yes, they just don’t want the white males to run anything or even be here, except to fix stuff. When they get into these conundrums, they will not pick a reasonable side due to some compassion for the white guy once they “see the other side of the story”. There is no golden rule in the cntrl-left world, anywhere! The right way to go will be decided by a coin toss, or just the loudest, fattest mouth in the room.

    Nope, you just have to tell them “No!” and “Go to Hell!”, and that sort of thing. It’s quicker too.

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  85. Marty says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there's no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money - a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It's just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I'd be the last to say "YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL", but if you're gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you're some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle "Freddie" would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back - something like "Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.", over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I'm not Freddie ;-}

    I don’t watch pro or college football, but tgsn I’m not smart enough to understand statistics, either.

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  86. Yak-15 says:
    @AM

    Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    Yeah, because rape always happens in the view of a mob of witnesses. And 4 number, I believe is the number of female witnesses required to vouch for a rape against 1 male.

    Sharia law, a real win for humanity.

    Can we go back to chaperones, talking about living in sin, bastards, and hanging rapists (but keeping the child) again after a reasonably fair trial that doesn't assume an impossible level of evidence, like we used to in the West? I'm not asking too much am I?

    I am with you on this one.

    Besides, in Sharia countries must of the raping is interfamily anyhow…

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  87. @AM

    Going to a strange man’s hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn’t dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.
     
    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that's out there, as is wearing "do me" clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.

    Women do have some responsibilities here. Frustratingly modern society only seems to have the Arabic garbage bag look or "I forgot to put on 1/2 of my clothes" look. Early 20th century fashions seems to have a better balance.

    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.

    Young women are narcissists, tending to solipsists.

    In their minds, they’re dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don’t like are “creepy” and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    A corollary of this is that after two glasses of Chardonnay responsibility for a woman’s virtue and physical safety becomes entirely the responsibility of every man present regardless of how wanton she acts and how enthusiastically she pursues sexual contact. Her consumption of some alcohol means that her consent is invalid ab initio. Except maybe unless the guy is hot. And calls back.

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    In their minds, they’re dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don’t like are “creepy” and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.
     
    This helpful video should clear up everything nicely.


    https://vimeo.com/30042289
    , @Thea
    Hypothetically, a person works at a college that requires "anti-rape" training. What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?
    , @L Woods
    You're not kidding. This is literally what DoD pedals now, never mind academia.
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  88. I’d think your line should be that white co-eds dating blacks should assume the risk of rape.

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  89. @Lot
    "Confront" here means cross-examine anyone giving evidence against you. I do not think these cases involve men not getting the name of the accuser.

    “Confront” here means cross-examine anyone giving evidence against you. I do not think these cases involve men not getting the name of the accuser.

    Some of these cases – perhaps the worst, but still – start by questioning the accused without revealing what the inquiry is about and even the identity of the accuser. Some proceedings have permitted witnesses (including, for example, campus rape activists with whom the accuser spoke/sought counseling) to give statements received into evidence without the ability of the accused to confront/cross-examine/even hear the nature of the evidence. It’s that bad.

    I can’t imagine what it would be like to be nineteen or twenty and to be put through a ringer like this where the officious adult administrators/investigators are utterly uninterested in exculpatory information and won’t deal with or recognize counsel on your behalf.

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  90. @AM

    Why do you suppose that is?
     
    Lots of things, but in part because SJW isn't actually a viewpoint based on reason. You can see that with almost any SJW accusation.

    Thus when you try to reason with them, point out the world isn't the story they have in their heads, they just blow it off. Their emotional systems haven't been engaged by your facts and they don't know how to reason, as general rule of thumb.

    It appears that latching to emotional ideas like "fake news" is more helpful than trying to point out the actual facts that caused the "fake news" assertion in the first place. You get intellectual "I'm helping types" disgusted by the lowing of the level of discourse, but the fact is you need two people willing and able to have a high level conversation.

    If the other side is only capable of shrieking "Bigot", you might get a whole lot more traction with accurate statement of "Liar! (Fake News!)", then discussing your street creds. Certainly Trump, who to the even most causal observer or researcher is not a bigot (his body language around blacks is comfortable and relaxed) has not had the slightest momentum with "Hello, duffuses, I'm not a bigot". "Fake news" however has cause all sorts of headaches for the "Bigot" shriekers.

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  91. fish says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.
     
    Young women are narcissists, tending to solipsists.

    In their minds, they're dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don't like are "creepy" and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    A corollary of this is that after two glasses of Chardonnay responsibility for a woman's virtue and physical safety becomes entirely the responsibility of every man present regardless of how wanton she acts and how enthusiastically she pursues sexual contact. Her consumption of some alcohol means that her consent is invalid ab initio. Except maybe unless the guy is hot. And calls back.

    In their minds, they’re dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don’t like are “creepy” and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    This helpful video should clear up everything nicely.

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    It's funny because it's true
    , @L Woods
    All sexual "morality" as stipulated by women boils down to three simple things:

    1. Attempting to force alphas into commitment/punishing alphas for not committing

    2. Keeping betas in a state of servile deprivation and immiseration, such that they will feed attention and resources to women while receiving nothing in return and await eagerly their chance to serve as an escape hatch and meal ticket for a woman who spent her prime years on the alpha hookup circuit and has now grown too old/used up/indebted to do so. Alternating tactics of incessant, lifelong psychological abuse (to keep them down) and "man-up" shaming tactics (to keep them from slipping into the next category, where they are no longer of use) are employed.

    3. Keeping omegas down, out, and far far away (preferably dead)

    Any time you're lectured about what's "right" r.e. women and sexuality, this is what's being forced down your throat. QED

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  92. Forbes says:

    Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished.

    Yoffe might ask, in the wake of the Obama’s 2011 DOE-OCR “Dear Colleague” letter regarding the handling of campus sexual assault, why race/ethnicity data was not collected and reported?

    For a reporter, Yoffe is rather incurious. There’s a national database of violent crime (rape being one of the catagories) hosted by DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics that would give her a hint as to the prevalence of sex crimes by race/ethnicity–and should lessen her reliance on anecdote.

    Of course, those statistics will introduce hatefacts that Yoffe is sure to find upsetting. For example, white men do not rape black women. (Granted, I’m not completely current, but at the time of the Duke Lacrosse “scandal,” for the 5 preceding years, there were no reports (based on victim complaints) of white men raping black women.) If ever there were proof of white privilege, and white discrimination and prejudice against blacks–this is it.

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  93. @AM

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.
     
    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he's gay - Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn't work either.

    And yes, muslims don't like gays, but let's be clear, the SJWs don't really like gays either. They've already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he’s gay – Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    You are deluding yourself. Every speech Milo gives he announces that he’s (1) a Jew, (2) gay, and (3) likes exclusively African men. He’s got more Pokémon diversity points than any of his critics. Shapiro always begins with, “I’m an Orthodox Jew” and Ann Coulter is either female or a tranny. Tom Sowell and Clarence Thomas are also examples of the type, all are able to say things which would get a white guy exiled.

    Yes, their events are violently protested – but if any were the American founding stock white guy they’d be Derbyshired, Brimelowed, or Taylored, or Sailered and never get an opportunity to speak in the first place. Even poor Murray with his gentle vague and almost pc academic presentation is whitelisted and physically assaulted. Taylor clearly gets the worst of it as he’s trotted onto Oprah’s stage and painted as a cartoon caricature to be mocked and despised for the two minute hate.

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    Every speech Milo gives he announces that he’s (1) a Jew, (2) gay, and (3) likes exclusively African men. He’s got more Pokémon diversity points than any of his critics.
     
    Given the rate of AIDs in black men and that homosexuality will drag down his soul away from God, I keep hoping it's either a joke to keep up appearances. He also announces he's Catholic, wears a cross quite frequently, and when asked has stated he's against abortion. Being against abortion alone is enough of a thought crime to erase all the others. Women were banned from the anti-Trump "Women's March" because not killing baby girls is apparently anti-woman somehow.

    Anyway, Milo's sexual activity, true or not I still don't think the Pokemon points matter one iota.

    Milo, Coulter, and Shapiro all work the college circuit where I get the impression there is relatively steady work. I have no idea if the writers you mentioned want to be on the college speech circuit. Meanwhile Milo, Coulter, and Shapiro have been shut down at various levels at Berkeley and disinvited from other engagements. I know that the black editorialist at the WSJ (my apologies, I don't remember his name) has also been disinvited from speaking. There have been consequences for speakers with all sorts of Pokemon points.

    As much as I like Milo, he's got a few weird ideas in his head - one of them being people don't know how to handle him because of his Pokemon points. It's not true. People don't know to how to handle him because a)he doesn't get flustered and b)he's extremely sharp witted. The lesson I take away from Milo is keep calm and carry on.

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  94. nebulafox says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Pakistani Moslem rapists are a big problem in the UK. I haven't read about Hindu and Sikh rapists, except as victims of Pakistani Moslems, along with white girls.

    When you import 2/3rds of your Pakistanis from Miripur, one of the backwards, uneducated places in all the Muslim World, don’t be surprised when they bring their ghetto ways with them. American Pakistanis, by contrast, tend to do pretty well and, for the most part, are pretty well assimilated. Our own issues with unruly minorities thankfully lie with other demographics for the most part. (One thing that I occasionally wonder about is the rate of conversion to Islam among black prisoners in the US.)

    Sikhs and Hindus in the UK, from what I’ve read, tend to be heavily middle class and do just fine. That Sikh guy with the Union Jack turban bellowing out God Save the Queen last week…

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  95. @Steve Sailer
    Will anybody notice?

    Will anybody notice?

    Nope. What’s your number of unique page views? Double that. That’s how many will notice.

    You aren’t the blunt instrument needed to whack some common sense into what’s left of America. You influence those of us who are already vigilant (and maybe some sports spergs). Most of your stuff would just bewilder the average +/- 1SD sheeple.

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    "They'll respond by sputtering that 'white men do it to.'" whereupon you can easily and irrefutably prove that interracial crime is 99.9% African criminal vs white (or increasingly Asian) victim."

    Exactly. Whites who commit heinous crimes are drunks, druggies, psychos, career criminal types, or otherwise unhinged. Blacks who do so are often garden variety members of the Community.
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  96. @Anon
    For how many decades have we had Rap Culture as the core culture of Black America?

    To Kill a Mocking Bird is Ancient History in a world where time travels at light speed.

    It's now about To Kill a Mothafuc*a.

    I saw To Kill a Mocking Bird as a teenager in the 60s and I thought it sucked even then. Same with West Side Story, except Natalie Wood was cute.

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  97. Forbes says:
    @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Shorter Yoffe: “Morning After Regret Hits Black Men Hardest”

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    Brilliant. You could have saved everyone a ton of tiresome reading.
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  98. @Discordiax
    Or the third possibility, that blacks do rape more AND white coeds falsely accuse because of racism.

    On the one hand, Becky A.'s jungle fever runs hot on the dance floor and back at his apartment, but at 9:30 when she wakes up the fever subsides and she's not okay with what happened. Especially when he doesn't text her / blocks her number the next day.

    On the other hand, Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because "no means no". Then shit gets real and she finds out that Tyrone wasn't playing around.

    Both of those situations are likely to be quite common on our campuses. Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.

    Or Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because “no means no”. Then shit gets real

    and Tyrone rapes and kills her. Happened at UVa in the last 5 years or so. Of course, she had her phone, so she was safe.

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  99. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Kamala Harris on twitter:

    Survivors of sexual assault deserve to be believed, not blamed.

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    Let me clarify for those not so good with English...
    The phrase "[s]urvivors of sexual assault" refers to actual survivors of sexual assault. They do deserve to be believed, since everyone telling the truth does deserve to be believed (even if it is no fault of a listener to disbelieve, when evidence plausibly suggests a falsehood is being promulgated).
    Those who really do falsely claim to be survivors of sexual assault deserve to be prosecuted, convicted, sentenced and punished.

    Perhaps Kamala is unaware that in this country which her ancestors did not inhabit, white women used to falsely accuse black men of sexual assault and get them lynched.

    , @guest
    Kamala with the Good Hair tweets a platitude, how brave.

    Of course "survivors" (shouldn't we preserve that term for people who escaped probable or at least heightened chance of death? How many sexual assault victims face death?) deserve to be believed and not blamed. But how do we know who's actually been assaulted, when there's doubt?

    The implied commandment is you better believe people who say they've been assaulted (mostly women) or else!

    I've encountered plenty of people on the internet lately who argue along the lines of "if a woman said she was raped, she was raped." That's our potential future. (Boot stomping on face, and all that.)

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  100. nebulafox says:
    @AM

    In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.
     
    It's a political winner right now. I'd certainly rather see her win in the today, then lose by being the Catholic evangelist she is not. She's a politician.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back, they're going to have return to being the daughters of the Catholic Church.

    Tolerance of open homosexuality in any society is a symptom of late stage decay and that underlying society has become promiscuous. It's hard to be great when you're thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups. It turns out that homosexuality is also not so hot for the individual in question either and isn't be encouraged. In a weird backwards way, all those dudes who seemed overly rigid about sex, and homosexual sex in particular, were doing everyone a favor.

    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn’t likely going to happen, and that’s what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam. But I do think, fundamentally speaking, Islamism can only be combated by a similar ideal that speaks to the soul, to emotion.

    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means, as it spoke to the brain. The Eastern Bloc collapsed not least because people wanted to be *like* the West, to own nice economic products, to be able to eat better, to have personal liberties, and the people of the Eastern Bloc had been very aware for some time-and we made every effort to remind them of it-how much wealthier and comfortable the West was. Very different dynamic with Islamism. Attempting to fight it like we did Communism, as both Bush II and Obama tried, arguably inflames it. Leftists throughout history have often been quite inept in dealing with the emotional needs of human beings, something their enemies have often exploited-probably one of the reasons Islamism won out over pan-Arab Ba’athism in the long run. Another thing often noticed is that jihadists in places like Cairo or Jakarta are usually underemployed engineers, not slum dwellers-so to think that education necessarily will turn young men away from Islamism is an error.

    >It’s hard to be great when you’re thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups.

    I dunno. Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn’t prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield. But granted, I think most of them would also be taken aback at the whole campy/effeminate, hedonistic trend in modern gay culture. Frederick prided himself on being the First Servant of the State, not the First Slave of…

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    In keeping with the maxim "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight", you don't bring a secular ideology to a religious war. If you have to fight against a religion, you need a better one of your own.

    Christus, Deus et homo, ex parte nostra. Ex parte vero maurorum, infidelis et dampnatus apostata Machumetus. Quid ergo restat?

    -Chronique latine des rois de Castille
     
    , @AM

    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn’t likely going to happen, and that’s what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam.
     
    This isn't about turning back the clock. It's about absorbing the impacts of the Enlightenment and discarding most of them as the failed ideas that they are. We're here in Enlightenment's utopia. How does it feel? How are the French coping? The English? The US? Europe? Living the dream, right?

    We can look back at communism as an abject failure. My thought is once we live the dream for a while, the Enlightenment gets looked at as perhaps a few good ideas but mostly a self-centered tantrum of a philosophy that produces nothing but misery when lived fully.

    I was an agnostic, totally on board with Enlightenment philosophy until the misery overtook me. Then I rebuilt the traditional Catholic viewpoint brick by brick for myself and discovered truth in it's characterizations of human nature and society.


    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means,
     
    You can occasionally fight fire with fire. Most fire fighting is done with water. I have no evidence that materialism can effectively combat Marxism. In fact, in my observation the opposite is true. The only people who appear to be effective in fighting the 21st century (ie, not mostly complaining but doing) believe in the supernatural in some form. Atheists, feminists (almost any ist, really) have next to no children. Religious belief encourages stable families and children. Materialism encourages more materialism.

    Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn’t prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield.
     
    These are cherry picked examples here, some of which frankly I suspect are simply homosexual propaganda on the point. Most great leaders seem to have an oversized sex drive to accompany them, but it's almost always involving women, even if it extends to men occasionally. Their experiences are not normal at rate, if true and are more the exception than norm.

    My point was that if a critical mass of society becomes promiscuous, it can no longer pay attention or have time for those activities that made it great in the first place. Open homosexuality is only a symptom of the underlying problem.
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  101. Trelane says:

    When males propose and females choose, epigamic sexual selection results in something like what we see in East Asia, the very feminine female. But when females propose and males choose we see something quite different: the hypermasculine male as typified in subSaharan Africa.

    Rape culture on American campuses is a direct result of the reversal of traditional European mating patterns wherein males propose and females choose. Today many females, in-effect, propose by (e.g.,) showing up at a frat house drunk and passing out on the sofa commando with the cocktail dress pulled up over her waist. This favors subSaharan African sociosexuality or “male choice”.

    Female choice produces more civilized societies. Male choice produces subSaharan Africa outcomes.

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  102. Forbes says:
    @Randal

    a female author doesn’t mince words about the fact that a lot of rape allegations are morning-after regrets. I always thought you weren’t allowed to suggest that.
     
    Yes, I noticed that, as well. Remarkable.

    Clearly in the world of pc hypocrisy, you might get away with it if you are trumping the female victim with a black victim.

    Certainly I can recall a number of people getting the full howling mob treatment for saying the truth no less carefully than Janet Halley does: "morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect", just without the talismanic immediate followup into black victimhood: "and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them."

    Must keep pounding The Narrative:

    “and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.“

    Total fiction and fantasy. The fact that the opposite–Affirmative Action preferences are the water the fish are swimming in– is closer to the truth makes the remark particularly scurilous.

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  103. Svigor says:

    Yoffe, Dvorak, Ziering; is that three for three on the Jewish broads meter? Funny thing is Jews don’t marry blacks. You can find any kind of Jewish statistic you want, and there’s ample evidence for just how strongly Jews are on Team Black politically, but if you want to know how many Jews marry Blacks you’re SOL; the number’s so low, Jews sweep it under the rug in shame. Maybe Jews sublimate that shame, if any (definitely in doubt), into writing white-defaming propaganda, voting Team Black.

    Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes.

    One can add enough unnecessary qualifiers (“national statistics,” “campus” sexual assault complaints, etc.) to make anything impossible to find.

    Or one can just end the publishing of crime stats, the way Hussein did in (IIRC) 2013.

    But the data we do have (from before Hussein banned the truth) shows that Blacks rape at 6.5x the rape that Whites do, which is pretty ironclad evidence that Blacks are VERY prone to rape, compared to Whites. (Crime victimization surveys bear that number out).

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    Whoa, you sure about that? Maybe Boomer Jews or even older Gen X Jews, but among Millennials all of the black-white marriages I know involve Jews. 100%. They have drunk the kool aid, man, at least the secular ones; now they're trying to get us to drink too before they conk out. I think they believe their offspring will have Einstein's brain and Kareem's skyhook, or something, or at least not be so neurotic.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Svigor:

    Anecdotally in New York City some decades ago there were a not insignificant number of Jewish-black couplings. These couplings eventually ceased.

    Nowadays not anecdotally there appears to be a relatively significant number of Jewish male-Northeast Asian female couplings.
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  104. AM says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he’s gay – Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.
     
    You are deluding yourself. Every speech Milo gives he announces that he's (1) a Jew, (2) gay, and (3) likes exclusively African men. He's got more Pokémon diversity points than any of his critics. Shapiro always begins with, "I'm an Orthodox Jew" and Ann Coulter is either female or a tranny. Tom Sowell and Clarence Thomas are also examples of the type, all are able to say things which would get a white guy exiled.

    Yes, their events are violently protested - but if any were the American founding stock white guy they'd be Derbyshired, Brimelowed, or Taylored, or Sailered and never get an opportunity to speak in the first place. Even poor Murray with his gentle vague and almost pc academic presentation is whitelisted and physically assaulted. Taylor clearly gets the worst of it as he's trotted onto Oprah's stage and painted as a cartoon caricature to be mocked and despised for the two minute hate.

    Every speech Milo gives he announces that he’s (1) a Jew, (2) gay, and (3) likes exclusively African men. He’s got more Pokémon diversity points than any of his critics.

    Given the rate of AIDs in black men and that homosexuality will drag down his soul away from God, I keep hoping it’s either a joke to keep up appearances. He also announces he’s Catholic, wears a cross quite frequently, and when asked has stated he’s against abortion. Being against abortion alone is enough of a thought crime to erase all the others. Women were banned from the anti-Trump “Women’s March” because not killing baby girls is apparently anti-woman somehow.

    Anyway, Milo’s sexual activity, true or not I still don’t think the Pokemon points matter one iota.

    Milo, Coulter, and Shapiro all work the college circuit where I get the impression there is relatively steady work. I have no idea if the writers you mentioned want to be on the college speech circuit. Meanwhile Milo, Coulter, and Shapiro have been shut down at various levels at Berkeley and disinvited from other engagements. I know that the black editorialist at the WSJ (my apologies, I don’t remember his name) has also been disinvited from speaking. There have been consequences for speakers with all sorts of Pokemon points.

    As much as I like Milo, he’s got a few weird ideas in his head – one of them being people don’t know how to handle him because of his Pokemon points. It’s not true. People don’t know to how to handle him because a)he doesn’t get flustered and b)he’s extremely sharp witted. The lesson I take away from Milo is keep calm and carry on.

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    If Milo is so 'extremely sharp-witted' then you really have to wonder why he dug himself a deep hole and jumped in. Paedophilia is right up his worst critics' alley. Okay I'll stop with the unfortunate imagery.
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  105. Forbes says:
    @CCZ
    Somewhat related to feminists versus blacks, we also have DACA versus blacks. Not much respect for young blacks (or even legal immigrants) when DACA enters the conversation. So who wins the prize, females, blacks, legal immigrants or DACA? No need to even consider native born "whites."

    “White House claims ‘dreamers’ take jobs away from blacks and Hispanics. Here’s the truth.”
    By Tracy Jan, Washington Post, September 6

    Here’s the problem: immigrant and native-born workers are imperfect substitutes. There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

    “It is one thing to say that there are hundreds of thousands of minorities the same age that are unemployed, and a very different thing for them to have the same education, skills and experience as the employed DACA workers,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and former chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) presidential campaign.
     

    There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

    What is the evidence that DACA beneficiaries have the necessary skills–and unemployed Americans don’t?

    The article would offer evidence if it had any–instead it offers assertions from an adovcate.

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    I think that "there is no evidence" should now be regarded as a standard SJW trope. You can probably get away with saying this about just about anything. On the one hand, it seems to align them with "Science". "Science" is supposedly based on "Evidence", so if there is no "Evidence" there is no "Science". On the other hand, it is easy to dismiss any supposed "evidence". Suppose we consider the claim that... there are exactly two genders. An SJW might contend that there is no evidence for this. What this amounts to in practice is that there are no "peer-reviewed" studies from elite universities and journals that aim to establish this. Well, of course not! It is common sense! You won't be in the running for a Nobel Prize if you somehow produce "evidence" that there are two genders. But suppose some low-status professor at some state Agricultural and Mechanical college does produce a study that reveals that most functioning adult humans believe that there are exactly two genders.... this can be dismissed as an outlier, as no evidence at all.
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  106. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    Kamala Harris on twitter:

    Survivors of sexual assault deserve to be believed, not blamed.
     

    Let me clarify for those not so good with English…
    The phrase “[s]urvivors of sexual assault” refers to actual survivors of sexual assault. They do deserve to be believed, since everyone telling the truth does deserve to be believed (even if it is no fault of a listener to disbelieve, when evidence plausibly suggests a falsehood is being promulgated).
    Those who really do falsely claim to be survivors of sexual assault deserve to be prosecuted, convicted, sentenced and punished.

    Perhaps Kamala is unaware that in this country which her ancestors did not inhabit, white women used to falsely accuse black men of sexual assault and get them lynched.

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  107. AM says:
    @MEH 0910

    and hanging rapists (but keeping the child)
     
    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.

    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.

    Even though you didn’t ask why rape is a capital crime, I’ll state it anyway. :) It has the potential to remove otherwise good future mothers and wives out of society. Adding violence to sex can harm a young girl in ways mentally that she may never recover from. The rapist destroyed an entire potential family, which is why it’s capital in nature.

    Along with woman, however, the child is also an innocent. We don’t know what genes he or she got or what their individual potential is, good or bad. To kill him or her for the crime of being related to a rapist is a miscarriage of justice. It wouldn’t occur to you to kill the brother or mother of rapist, and they’re as equally related as a child.

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don’t really know what we’re doing.

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    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don’t really know what we’re doing.
     
    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.

    Actually, we know quite a bit. We don't necessarily know what the ultimate way to go about it is, and we differ on acceptable methods, techniques and practices for entirely understandable reasons.

    But we do know that the union of a 75 IQ male and a 75 IQ female, providing that neither's room temperature IQ is a result of brain damage or something similar, will mostly produce 75 IQ kids-who will not be capable of holding a job in anything over a subsistence farming agricultural society.

    We know that the kind of inbreeding practiced by Middle Eastern societies like Pakistan results in a shitty society where the rule of law is unthinkable.

    And we know that breeding for IQ and nothing but IQ produces a bunch of ugly, neurotic people who start thinking they are a chosen race and don't give a fuck about anyone else.

    How we should respond to this knowledge is open for debate, but choosing not to respond is no longer an acceptable option. I don't have all the answers. I don't think anyone else does either. But I think the American eugenists of the 1920s might have been basically decent responsible people and we should honor instead of lambast and denigrate their memory. Sterilizing willful serious criminals and degenerates by mandate and encouraging noncriminal but stupid people to voluntarily not breed with rewards for being fixed seems ok to me.
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  108. @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Reads to me like an older, wiser woman who’s a bit concerned about the disintegration of the mating culture, even at the middle and upper middle class levels. She may be a lefty, but she’s got more good-heart than you would expect.

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    She may be a lefty
     
    And she may not be. Not like there's much of a choice in those circles.
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  109. Forbes says:
    @3g4me
    @42 Alec Leamas: "But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn’t do certain things."

    This. I really wonder about all those putative fathers of all those princesses who go out dancing with Tyrone or have a drink with Latavious in his room. Did it never once cross their minds that their daughters' behavior ought to be monitored? Did it never occur to them to have "the talk" about drinking and sex - and, more importantly, about engaging with non-White men at all? I have a really hard time feeling sorry for entitled, pampered, race-blind princesses who think they can manipulate any man's sexuality without inverse consequences. But I find I feel fury towards those White fathers who utterly failed at their job in raising their daughters - not merely how not to be a mudshark, but how not to be a thot period. The Negro behavior is utterly expected and blaming them for their inherent nature (no future-time orientation, unwarranted high self-regard, and a focus on physical appetites and their slaking to the exclusion of all else) is no surprise to anyone with more than a double-digit IQ. The fault lies in the Whites who recruited them, who enrolled them, and who lacked any concern for their race or its future, and the fathers who failed to value their daughters enough to teach them to value themselves by controlling their sexuality.

    Dad’s influence on his little princess ends at about age 13. The public schools indoctrinate young minds with Gender/Racial/Ethnic Equality! Celebrate Diversity! Champion Multiculturalism! Intersectional Inclusion! and all of princess’ peers jump on the bandwagon. Home schooling seems the only escape.

    Of course the problem starts with Dad creating the little princess in the first palce–treating her as a little pricess, telling her his little princess can do no wrong, and inculcating her belief that every man wants to treat her as a princess and put her on a pedestal.

    At the end of the day, it seems to come down to Daddy issues–too much princess and the pedestal–or an absent father. A happy medium would be good.

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    The influence of schools (and indeed parents) is trivial in relation to that of the MSM.
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  110. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon Chief
    Slightly OT, but too hilariously iSteve-ish to miss:

    Baltimore's Famous National Chess Champion Isn't A National Chess Champion

    The biggest chess story of the year is uplifting—and bogus.

    On May 31, the Baltimore Sun ran a feature on a seventh-grader whom the paper identified in the headline as a “national chess champion.” According to the Sun’s story, the 12-year-old learned to play the millennia-old board game in a local barbershop and, while representing Roland Park Elementary and Middle School, a K-8 public school in the city system, came back from a Tennessee tournament earlier in the month as “Baltimore’s first national chess champion.”
    ...
    Great story. Never happened.

     

    Real story:
    http://deadspin.com/baltimores-famous-national-chess-champion-isnt-a-nation-1795900338

    Bogus story:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/7th-grader-becomes-baltimores-first-ever-national-chess-champion/2017/05/31/f21ed4ac-4616-11e7-98cd-af64b4fe2dfc_story.html

    The most illuminating thing about the event is that the city editor of the Baltimore Sun said that since the kid was keeping himself off the street by dedicating himself to mediocre chess play, then they are not correcting the story and will leave him identified as the national championship.
    Twelve kamillionth demonstration of what passes for thought in the Leftist mind. The truth is not what is factual,but what their fairy tale, castles in the sky mental constructs say it is. If it SHOULD be true then by cracky, it IS true.

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  111. @Carbon blob
    Jesus Christ, the Duke lacrosse fiasco wasn't that long ago.

    Ann had an apt quote in one of her articles about that fiasco, something like, “Lie down with strippers, wake with pleas.”

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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Forbes

    There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
     
    What is the evidence that DACA beneficiaries have the necessary skills--and unemployed Americans don't?

    The article would offer evidence if it had any--instead it offers assertions from an adovcate.

    I think that “there is no evidence” should now be regarded as a standard SJW trope. You can probably get away with saying this about just about anything. On the one hand, it seems to align them with “Science”. “Science” is supposedly based on “Evidence”, so if there is no “Evidence” there is no “Science”. On the other hand, it is easy to dismiss any supposed “evidence”. Suppose we consider the claim that… there are exactly two genders. An SJW might contend that there is no evidence for this. What this amounts to in practice is that there are no “peer-reviewed” studies from elite universities and journals that aim to establish this. Well, of course not! It is common sense! You won’t be in the running for a Nobel Prize if you somehow produce “evidence” that there are two genders. But suppose some low-status professor at some state Agricultural and Mechanical college does produce a study that reveals that most functioning adult humans believe that there are exactly two genders…. this can be dismissed as an outlier, as no evidence at all.

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  113. @Stan d Mute

    Former assistant coach Kendal Briles — the son of the head coach — once told a Dallas-area student athlete, “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players,” according to the suit. …
     
    And STILL Steve is a "sports fan"! How ANY white (or Asian) man can support ANY African sport at this point is simply beyond my comprehension given the very real harm inflicted on our wives and daughters as a direct result.

    Just stop it. Give it up. Many of us have quit smoking or drinking or whatever because of the harm to ourselves and loved ones. African sports are NO different. Frankly, they're worse. I'd far rather die from lung cancer or liver failure than be brutally beaten to death by a mob of Africans or (far worse still) have my mother, wife, or daughter raped and/or killed.

    Take my word for it, there is still life after swearing off all support for Africans.

    Watching grown men play a children’s game extraordinarily well, when you are a child, is fun. Occasionally playing a children’s game as an adult, particularly with your own children, is fun. I enjoy tossing the football around with my sons. Watching other adults play a children’s game, as an adult, is starting to get strange. Feeling emotionally attached to said adults playing said children’s game, and spending your hard earned money in various ways to show your devotion, is pathetic.

    “… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.”

    I’m sure it ends just as well for us as it did the Romans.

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    How is watching sports any more pathetic than arguing with strangers on sites like this?

    Or watching non-sports television?

    Or reading a typical book?

    Or watching a concert?
    , @BB753
    I might be turning into an old fart but the idea of a grown-up man playing video-games sounds weird to me.
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  114. @SFG
    I don't know, but it's worth a shot. Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson's fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don't like gays. A fear of rape will surely unnerve some women's activists.

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it's diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.

    No, I think the whole rape culture hysteria was about blacks having sex with white women in the first place. They just couldn’t (of course) admit it. Same reason they’re so gung ho on abortion – it controls black population without having to admit they’re controlling black population. Likewise with importing Hispanics to get blacks out of the cities (and Section 8).

    Most SJW causes are plausibly deniable cover for regressive goals.

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    I think it more about jealousy & bitterness at being rejected by Chads. Based personal discussions with feminists in the early 90s that was my conclusion. Alpha widowhood.
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  115. @Neil Templeton
    Reads to me like an older, wiser woman who's a bit concerned about the disintegration of the mating culture, even at the middle and upper middle class levels. She may be a lefty, but she's got more good-heart than you would expect.

    She may be a lefty

    And she may not be. Not like there’s much of a choice in those circles.

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  116. @Svigor
    Yoffe, Dvorak, Ziering; is that three for three on the Jewish broads meter? Funny thing is Jews don't marry blacks. You can find any kind of Jewish statistic you want, and there's ample evidence for just how strongly Jews are on Team Black politically, but if you want to know how many Jews marry Blacks you're SOL; the number's so low, Jews sweep it under the rug in shame. Maybe Jews sublimate that shame, if any (definitely in doubt), into writing white-defaming propaganda, voting Team Black.

    Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes.
     
    One can add enough unnecessary qualifiers ("national statistics," "campus" sexual assault complaints, etc.) to make anything impossible to find.

    Or one can just end the publishing of crime stats, the way Hussein did in (IIRC) 2013.

    But the data we do have (from before Hussein banned the truth) shows that Blacks rape at 6.5x the rape that Whites do, which is pretty ironclad evidence that Blacks are VERY prone to rape, compared to Whites. (Crime victimization surveys bear that number out).

    Whoa, you sure about that? Maybe Boomer Jews or even older Gen X Jews, but among Millennials all of the black-white marriages I know involve Jews. 100%. They have drunk the kool aid, man, at least the secular ones; now they’re trying to get us to drink too before they conk out. I think they believe their offspring will have Einstein’s brain and Kareem’s skyhook, or something, or at least not be so neurotic.

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    There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent.
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  117. guest says:
    @anonymous
    Kamala Harris on twitter:

    Survivors of sexual assault deserve to be believed, not blamed.
     

    Kamala with the Good Hair tweets a platitude, how brave.

    Of course “survivors” (shouldn’t we preserve that term for people who escaped probable or at least heightened chance of death? How many sexual assault victims face death?) deserve to be believed and not blamed. But how do we know who’s actually been assaulted, when there’s doubt?

    The implied commandment is you better believe people who say they’ve been assaulted (mostly women) or else!

    I’ve encountered plenty of people on the internet lately who argue along the lines of “if a woman said she was raped, she was raped.” That’s our potential future. (Boot stomping on face, and all that.)

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    In many of the kangaroo kourt kollege "rape" prosecutions the "judges" were trained that any amount of alcohol negates consent (for women) so as soon as the defendant admitted that the woman had had any alcohol, that was it - the (low) burden of proof was met and the defendant was guilty.

    The logic was this - SOME amount of alcohol negates consent and the "rapist" had no way of knowing how much alcohol the woman had consumed, so therefore, we should assume that she had consumed enough alcohol to negate consent.

    This is logic worthy of a witch trial:

    https://youtu.be/k3jt5ibfRzw?t=117
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  118. Asdf says:

    The new rule – women never lie about rape. Unless when they do because they be raciss.

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  119. @Stan d Mute

    Will anybody notice?
     
    Nope. What's your number of unique page views? Double that. That's how many will notice.

    You aren't the blunt instrument needed to whack some common sense into what's left of America. You influence those of us who are already vigilant (and maybe some sports spergs). Most of your stuff would just bewilder the average +/- 1SD sheeple.

    “They’ll respond by sputtering that ‘white men do it to.’” whereupon you can easily and irrefutably prove that interracial crime is 99.9% African criminal vs white (or increasingly Asian) victim.”

    Exactly. Whites who commit heinous crimes are drunks, druggies, psychos, career criminal types, or otherwise unhinged. Blacks who do so are often garden variety members of the Community.

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  120. Dan Hayes says:
    @Svigor
    Yoffe, Dvorak, Ziering; is that three for three on the Jewish broads meter? Funny thing is Jews don't marry blacks. You can find any kind of Jewish statistic you want, and there's ample evidence for just how strongly Jews are on Team Black politically, but if you want to know how many Jews marry Blacks you're SOL; the number's so low, Jews sweep it under the rug in shame. Maybe Jews sublimate that shame, if any (definitely in doubt), into writing white-defaming propaganda, voting Team Black.

    Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes.
     
    One can add enough unnecessary qualifiers ("national statistics," "campus" sexual assault complaints, etc.) to make anything impossible to find.

    Or one can just end the publishing of crime stats, the way Hussein did in (IIRC) 2013.

    But the data we do have (from before Hussein banned the truth) shows that Blacks rape at 6.5x the rape that Whites do, which is pretty ironclad evidence that Blacks are VERY prone to rape, compared to Whites. (Crime victimization surveys bear that number out).

    Svigor:

    Anecdotally in New York City some decades ago there were a not insignificant number of Jewish-black couplings. These couplings eventually ceased.

    Nowadays not anecdotally there appears to be a relatively significant number of Jewish male-Northeast Asian female couplings.

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  121. @Achmed E. Newman

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?
     
    I don't know, but being 27 y/o, maybe with some more schooling sometime, because IT MAY BE YOU!? How would you like that, if you got accused of rape and had no due process. You can add that to the " fairness/ autism (WTF?)/muh rule-of-law" business.

    Some people have to learn things the hard way - I hope it is not you, at least on this type of thing.

    27-year-old’s ilk are pretty sanguine about the whole thing (shading into enthusiastic among the SJW types) because they’re not in that minority of young men likely to be accused – the sexually active.

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    Referring to marriage as being sexually inactive is not a good way to encourage more White men to get married...
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  122. @The real enemy
    The looney left must be so confused. In the Obama era they set up the kangaroo courts to punish the rapists, then Betsy DeVos came along and disbanded the kangaroo courts and they screamed bloody murder, where is the protection for the women they demanded? Women are once again the victims!

    Then they find out most of the males punished by the kangaroo courts are black. Now what? Are they still supposed to be mad that DeVos disbanded the kangaroo courts? Who's the bigger victim group, black men or white women? Is this a problem of racism or sexism? They can't decide. This is all too confusing for their addled brains, they are ready to explode.

    Then they find out most of the males punished by the kangaroo courts are black.

    I wouldn’t put too much money on that happening.

    They’re professional not-finder-outers.

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  123. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Simple Song
    Watching grown men play a children's game extraordinarily well, when you are a child, is fun. Occasionally playing a children's game as an adult, particularly with your own children, is fun. I enjoy tossing the football around with my sons. Watching other adults play a children's game, as an adult, is starting to get strange. Feeling emotionally attached to said adults playing said children's game, and spending your hard earned money in various ways to show your devotion, is pathetic.

    "… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses."

    I'm sure it ends just as well for us as it did the Romans.

    How is watching sports any more pathetic than arguing with strangers on sites like this?

    Or watching non-sports television?

    Or reading a typical book?

    Or watching a concert?

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    Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what's the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it's all just food amirite? I also don't see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they're both just pictures of emotional naked dudes.

    Anyway, yes, I think watching non sports television is also a little sad, particularly reruns. Most concerts I frankly don't care for although I enjoy listening to music while I'm doing other things. Regarding this site, other sites, reading books: I'm exposed to new ideas that I hadn't thought of before, interesting opinions, some I adopt, some I modify, some I reject, in sum they allow me to make better sense of the world and hopefully make wiser decisions. In particular, in a relatively atomized culture that is choking on its own PC, the comments section is often where the real truth lies. Arguing in the comments section--it's useful for other people to see your perspective just as it is useful for you to see theirs. Putting your perspective into writing is a useful exercise by itself as it will often expose errors in your thinking you didn't otherwise appreciate. You can have much more interesting exchanges than in real life because 1.) more people 2.) anonymity allows honesty.

    Bottom line, media that is not passively consumed is fundamentally empowering. And it's free, and I can do it when it's convenient for me. In short, it's awesome.
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  124. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/09/amherst_college_police_investi.html

    Speaking of campus drama, the Amherst College chapter of the KKK left a noose on campus.

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    The KKK koven in Amherst, MA is probably based next door at Hampshire College.
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  125. @Felix Fischer
    http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/09/amherst_college_police_investi.html

    Speaking of campus drama, the Amherst College chapter of the KKK left a noose on campus.

    The KKK koven in Amherst, MA is probably based next door at Hampshire College.

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    Haha, Steve! Koven! (BTW, you like movies - ever seen a C-grade movie called "Coven"? It's hilarious)

    Yeah, parts of western Mass are Klan-hot-spots on the $PLC interactive hate-map. In fact, much of New England, the majority of the country east of the Sierra and Cascade ranges, and all of Alaska south of the North Slope is marked up in bright red. We are in one big-ass hot-spot, oft-dubbed a Super-Klancano, and our Civil Rights leaders are pretty thin on the ground right now.

    We're in a tight spot boys. :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPImdMknAO4
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  126. @Simple Song
    Whoa, you sure about that? Maybe Boomer Jews or even older Gen X Jews, but among Millennials all of the black-white marriages I know involve Jews. 100%. They have drunk the kool aid, man, at least the secular ones; now they're trying to get us to drink too before they conk out. I think they believe their offspring will have Einstein's brain and Kareem's skyhook, or something, or at least not be so neurotic.

    There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent.

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    Lenny Kravitz!

    Ben Harper?

    ...
    , @sick.boy
    "There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent."


    I'm not sure about that, but in my experience half Jewish mulattoes are noticeably smarter than goy mulattoes on average.
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  127. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there's no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money - a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It's just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I'd be the last to say "YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL", but if you're gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you're some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle "Freddie" would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back - something like "Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.", over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I'm not Freddie ;-}

    I’ve gone almost cold turkey on everything except a little MLB and Tarheel hoops (and even there I don’t follow things like recruiting, or who is coming back next year).

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    Luke Maye is coming back.
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  128. @Dave Pinsen
    How is watching sports any more pathetic than arguing with strangers on sites like this?

    Or watching non-sports television?

    Or reading a typical book?

    Or watching a concert?

    Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what’s the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it’s all just food amirite? I also don’t see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they’re both just pictures of emotional naked dudes.

    Anyway, yes, I think watching non sports television is also a little sad, particularly reruns. Most concerts I frankly don’t care for although I enjoy listening to music while I’m doing other things. Regarding this site, other sites, reading books: I’m exposed to new ideas that I hadn’t thought of before, interesting opinions, some I adopt, some I modify, some I reject, in sum they allow me to make better sense of the world and hopefully make wiser decisions. In particular, in a relatively atomized culture that is choking on its own PC, the comments section is often where the real truth lies. Arguing in the comments section–it’s useful for other people to see your perspective just as it is useful for you to see theirs. Putting your perspective into writing is a useful exercise by itself as it will often expose errors in your thinking you didn’t otherwise appreciate. You can have much more interesting exchanges than in real life because 1.) more people 2.) anonymity allows honesty.

    Bottom line, media that is not passively consumed is fundamentally empowering. And it’s free, and I can do it when it’s convenient for me. In short, it’s awesome.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So far, this is the best observation regarding trade offs between passive and active media of the month and perhaps one of the best of the year.

    Beginning to wonder if most here are around the same age as it takes maturity to come to these insightful observations.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don't get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.
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  129. @Opinionator
    There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent.

    Lenny Kravitz!

    Ben Harper?

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    Rashida Jones (Quincy)
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  130. Wally says:
    @Demontage2000
    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.

    How to break up a ‘Black Lives Matter’ protest:

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    A stack of job applications works well too, I'm told.
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  131. sick.boy says:
    @Opinionator
    There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent.

    “There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent.”

    I’m not sure about that, but in my experience half Jewish mulattoes are noticeably smarter than goy mulattoes on average.

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    I don't think this is very surprising. While individual crosses may vary, for large populations the IQ of a mixed population is roughly equal to the weighted average of its component populations. Barack Obama is a pretty smart guy but his half-Jewish half brother is a nuclear physicist who speaks Mandarin.
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  132. Maj. Kong says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there's no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money - a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It's just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I'd be the last to say "YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL", but if you're gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you're some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle "Freddie" would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back - something like "Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.", over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I'm not Freddie ;-}

    Life is better without the sportsball obsession. If the right-wing systemically disengaged from college and pro sports, the country would be tremendously better off. D-1 Football creates a positive, tribalistic impression of a state flagship university that otherwise would be known mostly as an indoctrination center for CultMarx.

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  133. Maj. Kong says:
    @Simple Song
    Lenny Kravitz!

    Ben Harper?

    ...

    Rashida Jones (Quincy)

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  134. Perhaps this evidence could be slipped into the mainstream media indirectly, thereby making the public more HBD-aware, while journalists still think that they are following The Narrative. The story needs to be pitched as follows: most campus rape cases involve black males who are X% of the campus population but Y% of accused campus rapists. This enormous disparity must be due to “racist reporting procedures.” So it needs to be widely highlighted. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it is due to HBD not racist reporting procedures, but stating it this way allows the evidence to get a public release. Otherwise this clear disparity will be censored out of the mainstream media.

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  135. @It's All Ball Bearings
    Rather harsh. If they were raped is it fair to say they "went black"?

    Not harsh. College rape is date rape. When you are alone with Mike Tyson you are under some expectation to understand what happens next. Or Kobe. In those cultures, and not only in those cultures, that is not rape.

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  136. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I don't think white folks should care about white girls raped by blacks in colleges.

    They went black. Who cares what happens to them.

    If they were minding their own business and it was a genuine case of forcible rape without provccation-what Todd Akin called “legitimate rape” (which will be his epitaph)-then I do care a hell of a lot about what happens to them. The rapists should be executed or have their block and tackle lopped off. If we can’t do that, at least kick them off the team and do everything we can to keep them from going to another school or the NFL.

    If they are leading black football players on thinking they can control the terms of the encounter and wind up pulling twenty cars onto the main line, then, fuck them. It should be a teachable moment for the rest of the girls. Sometimes, as Ole Bob Whitaker used to say, you have to stick the puppy’s nose in the poop.

    I hate to keep bringing the ill-aging and surly old battleaxe up, but Big Little Miss Muffett hit the nail on the head. We should quote her a lot because the SJCs (and you know what the C stands for) can’t screw with her that much. If a man had said what she said about her railroading experience at the Cleveland 81 clubhouse he’d be deplatformed forever.

    Rock icon Chrissie Hynde has no regrets about suggesting provocatively dressed, intoxicated women “ask” to be raped.

    The Pretenders frontwoman, 65, sparked anger from campaigners against sexual violence when promoting her autobiography last year after sharing her recollections of being raped by members of an Ohio biker gang at the age of 21.

    Chrissie told Britain’s Sunday Times magazine at the time that she took responsibility for what happened and added women should avoid being “provocative” and not “entice” potential rapists by wearing sexually suggestive clothing.

    In a new interview with The Times, the rocker has hit back at her critics, saying they cannot handle the truth about men’s lack of sexual control.

    “What I’m saying is that women think men are in control all the time, but men are weaker than women,” she explains. “And don’t mess with these guys because when its unleashed they can’t control themselves. That’s too profound for most people.”

    At the height of the controversy over her comments the Brass in Pocket singer attempted to clarify her remarks, and on Good Morning America insisted she wasn’t aiming to “advise” women.

    However, now she is unrepentant about her remarks, saying, “I have to be honest, I don’t give a f—. First I didn’t know because I don’t read my press but when I kept being questioned about it I said, ‘If you’re going to walk around in your underwear drunk, you’re asking for it’.

    “And they really jumped on me for that. Because the idea in this climate of pseudo-empowerment is that no means no. Well I have news for you girls, a stiff d— means yes.”

    Chrissie adds that she blames herself for the rape due to being depressed and on drugs at the time.

    “The point is: I shouldn’t have been where I was,” she explains. “Why? Because I didn’t want to go home. I wanted experience. I was depressed an f—ed up, which is when bad things happen. Believe me, nobody in the history of mankind has made good choices on Quaaludes.”

    http://www.kincardinenews.com/2016/10/12/chrissie-hynde-i-have-no-regrets-about-expressing-my-views-on-rape

    “Now, let me assure you,” [Hynde] writes [in 'Reckless'], “that, technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges.”

    It was distressing to read, I begin to say.

    “Yeah, but those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do.”

    But to blame yourself, even now?

    “Of course. Because you can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive…”

    Exactly! Naive and vulnerable and they took advantage of that…

    “They’re motorcycle guys! If you play with fire you get burnt. It’s not any secret, is it?”

    http://ijr.com/2015/08/407689-rocker-chrissie-hynde-fire-comments-made-sexual-assault-recent-interview/

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    "the SJCs can't screw with her that much."

    They can ignore her. Don't know why that's not been the strategy. But anyway, she's had zero discernable influence over rape hysterics, so I don't think they're worried.

    It's fun for us and when famous people Notice things and Real Talk about them. And I suppose every bit helps.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sounds like Chrissie has been reading the Koran. If the bikers get a pass, then the athletes get a pass too. "She asked for it" isn't a good excuse in court.

    Between Hynde's "I deserved it cause I asked for it", & Sean Connery's thing that women's deserve to be hit when they get too hysterical, makes you wonder if 7th century Islamic views about women have devotees in most unusual places.

    Who exactly does NOT get a pass? Which cohort of adult men can't pull
    the "she asked for it"?

    Augustus Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, maybe?
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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.
     
    Even though you didn't ask why rape is a capital crime, I'll state it anyway. :) It has the potential to remove otherwise good future mothers and wives out of society. Adding violence to sex can harm a young girl in ways mentally that she may never recover from. The rapist destroyed an entire potential family, which is why it's capital in nature.

    Along with woman, however, the child is also an innocent. We don't know what genes he or she got or what their individual potential is, good or bad. To kill him or her for the crime of being related to a rapist is a miscarriage of justice. It wouldn't occur to you to kill the brother or mother of rapist, and they're as equally related as a child.

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don't really know what we're doing.

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don’t really know what we’re doing.

    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.

    Actually, we know quite a bit. We don’t necessarily know what the ultimate way to go about it is, and we differ on acceptable methods, techniques and practices for entirely understandable reasons.

    But we do know that the union of a 75 IQ male and a 75 IQ female, providing that neither’s room temperature IQ is a result of brain damage or something similar, will mostly produce 75 IQ kids-who will not be capable of holding a job in anything over a subsistence farming agricultural society.

    We know that the kind of inbreeding practiced by Middle Eastern societies like Pakistan results in a shitty society where the rule of law is unthinkable.

    And we know that breeding for IQ and nothing but IQ produces a bunch of ugly, neurotic people who start thinking they are a chosen race and don’t give a fuck about anyone else.

    How we should respond to this knowledge is open for debate, but choosing not to respond is no longer an acceptable option. I don’t have all the answers. I don’t think anyone else does either. But I think the American eugenists of the 1920s might have been basically decent responsible people and we should honor instead of lambast and denigrate their memory. Sterilizing willful serious criminals and degenerates by mandate and encouraging noncriminal but stupid people to voluntarily not breed with rewards for being fixed seems ok to me.

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    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.
     
    People and their potential aren't dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we've said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.

    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we're playing with. Yeah, yipe out all the dumb people like we're farm animals. I don't think solves anything and may open pandora's boxes we weren't expecting. Immoral actions are like that.
    , @Anon
    If you think they're breeding for IQ, you need to hang out for awhile in places like Monsey, New Square, and Crown Heights.
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  138. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @3g4me
    @42 Alec Leamas: "But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn’t do certain things."

    This. I really wonder about all those putative fathers of all those princesses who go out dancing with Tyrone or have a drink with Latavious in his room. Did it never once cross their minds that their daughters' behavior ought to be monitored? Did it never occur to them to have "the talk" about drinking and sex - and, more importantly, about engaging with non-White men at all? I have a really hard time feeling sorry for entitled, pampered, race-blind princesses who think they can manipulate any man's sexuality without inverse consequences. But I find I feel fury towards those White fathers who utterly failed at their job in raising their daughters - not merely how not to be a mudshark, but how not to be a thot period. The Negro behavior is utterly expected and blaming them for their inherent nature (no future-time orientation, unwarranted high self-regard, and a focus on physical appetites and their slaking to the exclusion of all else) is no surprise to anyone with more than a double-digit IQ. The fault lies in the Whites who recruited them, who enrolled them, and who lacked any concern for their race or its future, and the fathers who failed to value their daughters enough to teach them to value themselves by controlling their sexuality.

    The divorce rate is around 30% for white parents, so it’s likely that a significant percentage of these white girls hanging around black men don’t have a father in the household to teach them common sense when they need it.

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  139. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon Chief
    Slightly OT, but too hilariously iSteve-ish to miss:

    Baltimore's Famous National Chess Champion Isn't A National Chess Champion

    The biggest chess story of the year is uplifting—and bogus.

    On May 31, the Baltimore Sun ran a feature on a seventh-grader whom the paper identified in the headline as a “national chess champion.” According to the Sun’s story, the 12-year-old learned to play the millennia-old board game in a local barbershop and, while representing Roland Park Elementary and Middle School, a K-8 public school in the city system, came back from a Tennessee tournament earlier in the month as “Baltimore’s first national chess champion.”
    ...
    Great story. Never happened.

     

    Real story:
    http://deadspin.com/baltimores-famous-national-chess-champion-isnt-a-nation-1795900338

    Bogus story:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/7th-grader-becomes-baltimores-first-ever-national-chess-champion/2017/05/31/f21ed4ac-4616-11e7-98cd-af64b4fe2dfc_story.html

    There ought to be a special feature on Unz that highlights SJW articles in newspapers that are flat-out lies.

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  140. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @MEH 0910

    and hanging rapists (but keeping the child)
     
    Why keep the children of rapists? Better to keep their genes out of the gene pool.

    Good genes should not be forced into an alliance with bad ones just because someone other than the victim wants to force the victim to comply with his demands. Someone who wants to force the victim to to give birth to the rapist’s spawn and raise it against her will is a person who is as evil-minded a thug as the rapist.

    Even a few days after a rape, that thing’s not even an embryo, and it doesn’t have any nerve cells that could feel pain or brain cells to comprehend pain. It’s not going to regret its own demise.

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  141. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    Janet Halley, Harvard's alpha butch lez quoted in the article, looks like Tim Cook.

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/images-cms/faculty-final-images/halley_web.jpg


    http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/09/20150929-tim-cook-boxworks-apple-pensive-100618109-primary.idge.jpg

    She’s wearing a black turtleneck? She’s apparently trying to channel Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos. There ought to be rule, beware of women who wear black turtlenecks.

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  142. hhsiii says:
    @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    She has done some excellent work. This may be an attempt to get SJWs to notice.

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  143. NickG says:
    @AM

    In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.
     
    It's a political winner right now. I'd certainly rather see her win in the today, then lose by being the Catholic evangelist she is not. She's a politician.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back, they're going to have return to being the daughters of the Catholic Church.

    Tolerance of open homosexuality in any society is a symptom of late stage decay and that underlying society has become promiscuous. It's hard to be great when you're thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups. It turns out that homosexuality is also not so hot for the individual in question either and isn't be encouraged. In a weird backwards way, all those dudes who seemed overly rigid about sex, and homosexual sex in particular, were doing everyone a favor.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back

    Collectively the French lost their ‘mojo’ 101 years ago in the meat-grinder of Verdun, without much sign of it returning since.

    What basis do you have for not attributing this alleged impending return of ‘mojo’ to anything other than wishful thinking?

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    Collectively the French lost their ‘mojo’ 101 years ago in the meat-grinder of Verdun, without much sign of it returning since.

    What basis do you have for not attributing this alleged impending return of ‘mojo’ to anything other than wishful thinking?
     

    I know more French history than you. ;) The French lost their mojo exactly at the French revolution. The GDP took a nose dive at that moment that would not return for at least 50-60 years and it may have been longer, despite the beginnings of the industrial revolution. The French killed off quite a bit of their own intellectual classes in one mad moment that totally destabilized their naturally and beautiful authoritarian society.

    All colonization came to a screeching halt. In trying to find their way again, they ended up with Napoleon, who would sacrifice another generation of the finest Frenchmen on pointless wars. Next came WWI and other another round and by the time WWII came around, some of the finest soldiers on the planet were working with their 6th string contenders.

    Yes, there were some good things in that era, too especially in the French middle classes The French don't get quite enough credit for being tinkerers and inventors in their own right.

    However, is not to overstate the point that France, at her best, most stable, most powerful was an untroubled, faithful daughter of the Church. It's been long, sad, slow slide since 1789, with Verdun being another low point.

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  144. hhsiii says:
    @guest
    That's like saying Steve falls back on his priors by criticizing madman David Brooks' most recent column because Brooks espoused immigration restriction in the past.

    What does one thing have to do with the other?

    No, it isn’t. It would be as if Brooks wrote almost exclusively about the problems of unlimited immigration (the “campus rape” delusion is Yoffe’s specialty) and wrote one article emphasizing that it particularly was a problem for native blacks. Which can be true even if blacks cause a lot of their own problems that aren’t caused by immigration.

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    Maybe, if he implied immigration hurts blacks because someone had it out for blacks. In this case, it's not merely a poor blacks thing or even a "blacks hardest hit thing. The argument is that blacks are disproportionately victims of trumped-up charges and denial of due process because they're black, with the implication that others deserve it.

    I don't see what this lady's previous work has to do with it, one way or the he other. Because look at what she's saying here, and it's not the same story from a different angle. It's a pure social justice argument.
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  145. Hhsiii says:
    @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    I've gone almost cold turkey on everything except a little MLB and Tarheel hoops (and even there I don't follow things like recruiting, or who is coming back next year).

    Luke Maye is coming back.

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  146. Pericles says:
    @Steve in Greensboro
    Close your eyes and think of Clemson.

    Where the white women at? Baylor, buddy.

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  147. LondonBob says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Pakistani Moslem rapists are a big problem in the UK. I haven't read about Hindu and Sikh rapists, except as victims of Pakistani Moslems, along with white girls.

    Plenty of issues with Sikhs and Hindus, blacks are the biggest issue still. Sorry I know we are meant to obsess only about Muslims.

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  148. Pericles says:
    @AM

    Going to a strange man’s hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn’t dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.
     
    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that's out there, as is wearing "do me" clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.

    Women do have some responsibilities here. Frustratingly modern society only seems to have the Arabic garbage bag look or "I forgot to put on 1/2 of my clothes" look. Early 20th century fashions seems to have a better balance.

    Stumbling around drunk at 2AM in an alley with half a minidress on is a political statement, you see. Slutwalk and all that.

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  149. @Carbon blob
    Jesus Christ, the Duke lacrosse fiasco wasn't that long ago.

    The Duke players put themselves in that situation, so I didn’t feel bad for them in the least.

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    But they gained sympathy when all the a**hole professors signed a letter of condemnation
    , @Jack D
    What situation did they put themselves in? They ordered up a white stripper. This is a traditional and harmless form of male entertainment. It's not even illegal. It was sort of touchingly old fashioned in a way.

    What followed was a completely unforeseeable tragi-comedy of our times that could only have been imagined by Tom Wolfe. They didn't deserve what happened to them at all, not even by some sort of warped puritanical standard.
    , @guest
    When you order a stripper, it's fair game for you to become the pet project of a criminally overzealous prosecutor, punching bag of the national media, l and almost have your life ruined?

    What is the matter with you?

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  150. BB753 says:
    @Simple Song
    Watching grown men play a children's game extraordinarily well, when you are a child, is fun. Occasionally playing a children's game as an adult, particularly with your own children, is fun. I enjoy tossing the football around with my sons. Watching other adults play a children's game, as an adult, is starting to get strange. Feeling emotionally attached to said adults playing said children's game, and spending your hard earned money in various ways to show your devotion, is pathetic.

    "… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses."

    I'm sure it ends just as well for us as it did the Romans.

    I might be turning into an old fart but the idea of a grown-up man playing video-games sounds weird to me.

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    Hey, I play shooters on my PC - they keep your brain flexible.
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  151. @Steve Sailer
    The KKK koven in Amherst, MA is probably based next door at Hampshire College.

    Haha, Steve! Koven! (BTW, you like movies – ever seen a C-grade movie called “Coven”? It’s hilarious)

    Yeah, parts of western Mass are Klan-hot-spots on the $PLC interactive hate-map. In fact, much of New England, the majority of the country east of the Sierra and Cascade ranges, and all of Alaska south of the North Slope is marked up in bright red. We are in one big-ass hot-spot, oft-dubbed a Super-Klancano, and our Civil Rights leaders are pretty thin on the ground right now.

    We’re in a tight spot boys. :

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    It's strange how good George Clooney is in this movie considering how bad (or boring) he was in every other movie he was ever in. I think he may have been sabotaged by his looks. Being very handsome, he got cast as action heroes and romantic leads. He could have been the new Red Skelton but the casting directors saw him as a young Robert Taylor type.
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  152. @fish

    In their minds, they’re dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don’t like are “creepy” and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.
     
    This helpful video should clear up everything nicely.


    https://vimeo.com/30042289

    It’s funny because it’s true

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  153. @AM

    How many of them are able to routinely monopolize on-air debates and turn professional talking heads into stuttering fools (as opposed to bloviating fools), no matter their cleverness or aptitude for debate?
     
    This is a testament to his raw talent. I wish he'd get serious about getting rid of the homosexuality and the playing effiminate jester. He's getting too old for both and the homosexuality is going to kill him. (I know that's a weird thing to say, but given life expectancies of gay men and who says he's having sex with, his is very low. Homosexuals quite often have the tinge of the suicidal in their expressions and he does to me. )

    Some combination of “lifestyle,” accent, and hair.

     

    Just an impression, but it feels like a persona that makes it easier to be in public. The best version of Milo, at least my mind's eye, doesn't need any of that.

    be careful. he just might be hollow.

    He’s cute and all, but really I think he loves being in the spotlight and found that being outrageous could get him there.

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    be careful. he just might be hollow.
     
    Certainly possible as well. It's difficult to tell from a distance.
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  154. Rapparee says:
    @nebulafox
    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn't likely going to happen, and that's what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam. But I do think, fundamentally speaking, Islamism can only be combated by a similar ideal that speaks to the soul, to emotion.

    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means, as it spoke to the brain. The Eastern Bloc collapsed not least because people wanted to be *like* the West, to own nice economic products, to be able to eat better, to have personal liberties, and the people of the Eastern Bloc had been very aware for some time-and we made every effort to remind them of it-how much wealthier and comfortable the West was. Very different dynamic with Islamism. Attempting to fight it like we did Communism, as both Bush II and Obama tried, arguably inflames it. Leftists throughout history have often been quite inept in dealing with the emotional needs of human beings, something their enemies have often exploited-probably one of the reasons Islamism won out over pan-Arab Ba'athism in the long run. Another thing often noticed is that jihadists in places like Cairo or Jakarta are usually underemployed engineers, not slum dwellers-so to think that education necessarily will turn young men away from Islamism is an error.

    >It’s hard to be great when you’re thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups.

    I dunno. Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn't prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield. But granted, I think most of them would also be taken aback at the whole campy/effeminate, hedonistic trend in modern gay culture. Frederick prided himself on being the First Servant of the State, not the First Slave of...

    In keeping with the maxim “Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight“, you don’t bring a secular ideology to a religious war. If you have to fight against a religion, you need a better one of your own.

    Christus, Deus et homo, ex parte nostra. Ex parte vero maurorum, infidelis et dampnatus apostata Machumetus. Quid ergo restat?

    -Chronique latine des rois de Castille

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  155. The HBD connection is muddled here because we are mostly talking about athletes. I suspect black computer science, econ and history majors don’t rape coeds more than the average population. Being a star athlete seems to bring out the worst in American blacks – a complete sense of entitlement. I tend to think some of that is cultural. If you tell someone for 18 years – “you are unfairly discriminated against and white people are out to hurt you” and then at age 19 ” but now you are a star and have license to do whatever you want”, you have to expect bad behavior.

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    There are athletes of their races on campuses, you know.
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  156. theMann says:
    @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    You hit the nail on the head with your argument, which I can condense down to two sentences:

    Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.

    So, if you do sleep around, take your chances, because morally speaking, you have no ground to stand on.

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    Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.
     
    Very good! Concise, indeed.
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  157. Thea says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.
     
    Young women are narcissists, tending to solipsists.

    In their minds, they're dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don't like are "creepy" and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    A corollary of this is that after two glasses of Chardonnay responsibility for a woman's virtue and physical safety becomes entirely the responsibility of every man present regardless of how wanton she acts and how enthusiastically she pursues sexual contact. Her consumption of some alcohol means that her consent is invalid ab initio. Except maybe unless the guy is hot. And calls back.

    Hypothetically, a person works at a college that requires “anti-rape” training. What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?

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    What do the "tide of lies" consist of?
    , @Kevin C.

    What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?
     
    There isn't one.

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?
     
    They can't.
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  158. @Thea
    Hypothetically, a person works at a college that requires "anti-rape" training. What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?

    What do the “tide of lies” consist of?

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    Young women never falsely accuse men, women get into abusive relationships against their will and need outside help to escape, we live in a culture that teaches young men rape is ok, there is an epidemic 20% of all college women will be raped...


    There were instructions to intervene if you witness a young couple arguing in public.

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  159. TheJester says:

    While the Office for Civil Rights (OCR), which regulates how colleges respond to sexual assault, collects a lot of data on race, it does not require colleges and universities to document the race of the accused and accuser in sexual-assault complaints. An OCR investigator told me last year that people at the agency were aware of race as an issue in Title IX cases, but was concerned that it’s “not more of a concern. No one’s tracking it.”

    Apparently, disparate impact is a one-way street. The above is another example of resolving disparate impacts on Whites by minorities and other legally protected groups by failing to “notice”. Indeed, if “noticing” casts aspersions on minorities and other protected groups, then all data collection and tracking must stop immediately since to do otherwise would be racist, misogynist, or otherwise discriminatory.

    If no one tracks how frequently minorities and other legally protected groups misbehave, there is no data. There is nothing to report. If the Federal Government (much less the MSM) doesn’t report something … whether it be rapes, murders, gang affiliations, flash mobs, or looting … then it doesn’t happen. At least that’s the narrative.

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  160. Marty T says:
    @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    It seems that black athletes are by far the most likely to be actual rapists – like convicted for it, like at Baylor. White athletes, meanwhile, have been truly victimized by these kangaroo courts. Yale basketball captain Jack Montague was expelled for what seemed to be consensual sex with an ex-girlfriend. USC kicker Matt Boermeester was kicked out after winning the Rose Bowl – a third party claimed he was abusing his girlfriend, a USC tennis player. The girlfriend vehemently denied this, but USC expelled him anyway.

    These are the true victims. White college athletes don’t need to rape anyone, they get the hottest girls anyway.

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  161. jim jones says:
    @BB753
    I might be turning into an old fart but the idea of a grown-up man playing video-games sounds weird to me.

    Hey, I play shooters on my PC – they keep your brain flexible.

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  162. ATate says:

    When the Stanford swimmer guy sexual assault/rape/trial thing was going on last year it was plastered all over my wife’s Facebook from her friends. One of her friends is a highly regard physician over in Seattle. She put up a post saying “THIS!, is the face of college rape on campus” with a picture of the white kid. Not a peep about Baylor or the hundreds of other rapes by black athletes, but highlight the white guy. Nothing about the Virginia Haven Monahan hoax.

    It was a curious experience. Their kids won’t go to some lowlife football school however, they’ll be well protected at Evergreen or Reed. Perhaps, if they continue their present track of amazing grades, tons of the right kinds of activities they’ll end up at Claremont McKenna.

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  163. @ScarletNumber
    The Duke players put themselves in that situation, so I didn't feel bad for them in the least.

    But they gained sympathy when all the a**hole professors signed a letter of condemnation

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  164. 3g4me says:

    @108 Forbes: “Dad’s influence on his little princess ends at about age 13.”

    That’s the only part of your comment I disagree with. Surrendering one’s progeny to a public indoctrination center remains a matter of choice in this country, although I doubt that will last. Choosing to marry someone who thinks dressing her 13 year old inn f-me clothes is another example of decisions have consequences. And choosing not to make explicitly clear to one’s teenage children, long before they are teenagers, what sort of behavior will not be tolerated and what the consequences will be for transgressing those limits is, yet again, a matter of personal will or choice. No one said raising functional, responsible children was fun or easy in an age of societal collapse, and there remain character traits a parent cannot outmaneuver via environment, but voluntarily ceding responsibility is just that – voluntary.

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    No one said raising functional, responsible children was fun or easy in an age of societal collapse, and there remain character traits a parent cannot outmaneuver via environment, but voluntarily ceding responsibility is just that – voluntary.
     
    True. But it doesn't change the cultural tendency and pressure to "go with the flow" as regards raising children--and the very likelihood of Dad's influence ending when it does. What I've seen around me for decades are parents that want to be friends with their children--and only secondarily or accidentally act as parents. The kids run the show. Some/many parents decide that having children should be fun and easy--and take the path of least resistance.

    Schools with their cult of self-esteem, social promotion, grade inflation, and credentialism all displacing achievement, accomplishment, dilligence, and merit. That college campuses are filled with snowflakes claiming victimhood, although distressing, is no surprise.
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  165. Thea says:
    @Opinionator
    What do the "tide of lies" consist of?

    Young women never falsely accuse men, women get into abusive relationships against their will and need outside help to escape, we live in a culture that teaches young men rape is ok, there is an epidemic 20% of all college women will be raped…

    There were instructions to intervene if you witness a young couple arguing in public.

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    ... there is an epidemic 20% of all college women will be raped…
     
    The lie was It used to be 25% back in the early nineties. Progress, people!
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  166. 3g4me says:

    @127 Simple Song: “Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what’s the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it’s all just food amirite? I also don’t see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they’re both just pictures of emotional naked dudes.”

    Excellent comment overall and lots of upvotes sent your way. I learn a great deal from my reading and debating online. Ultimately one must utilize that in the real world, but it is in no way comparable to the passive act of sitting and virtually watching someone else do something. Even if it is only to make pointed comments (I’m not yet ready to be arrested by the thought police so I limit myself to carefully worded but crystal clear remarks to others in the real world) it does bear fruit. Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans. When he asked me to repeat myself I did so, still in a calm but definitive voice. He had no response and the Hindu and others in earshot knew precisely what I meant.

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    Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans. When he asked me to repeat myself I did so, still in a calm but definitive voice. He had no response and the Hindu and others in earshot knew precisely what I meant.
     
    Polite, firm, subtle but also obvious. Great work.
    , @Jack D

    Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans.
     
    I'm sorry, that's just wrong. First of all, it was none of your business. Messing in other people's business is a good way to get hurt.

    2nd, imagine that your mother has retired to Mexico (something like 1 million Americans live in Mexico) and one Mexican man suggested to another that he save his courtesy for his fellow Mexicans. Courtesy to guests (even if you don't particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don't like the guests. Leave rudeness to the Left.
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  167. 3g4me says:

    @128 Simple Song re Opinionator: “Lenny Kravitz!”

    Ha! I was going to suggest that if Lenny Kravitz, Tracee Ross, and Rashida Jones represent the “ultimate” Jewish/Negro Mulatto, perhaps the historical American nation can muddle on without such stellar “talent.”

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  168. 3g4me says:

    @135 Anonymous: “I hate to keep bringing the ill-aging and surly old battleaxe up, but Big Little Miss Muffett hit the nail on the head”

    Wow – I had never read precisely what Hynde said, but she is dead on and I love that she accepts her own share of culpability -

    ” Well I have news for you girls, a stiff d— means yes.” ” Because you can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this?”

    Strong, painful, but vital words that today’s empowered princesses need to hear.

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  169. @Discordiax
    Or the third possibility, that blacks do rape more AND white coeds falsely accuse because of racism.

    On the one hand, Becky A.'s jungle fever runs hot on the dance floor and back at his apartment, but at 9:30 when she wakes up the fever subsides and she's not okay with what happened. Especially when he doesn't text her / blocks her number the next day.

    On the other hand, Becky B. is flirting with Tyrone at the bar, teasing him (because nothing bad ever happens to empowered white girls whose daddys pay the credit cards) and going off with him, assuming that she can control the situation because "no means no". Then shit gets real and she finds out that Tyrone wasn't playing around.

    Both of those situations are likely to be quite common on our campuses. Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.

    Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.

    It’s a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed. They probably intuit this on some level, even while claiming racism at every turn.

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    It’s a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed.
     
    The last time I checked -- around the time of McCleskey -- the reason was that white murderers were more likely to have killed whites.
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  170. 3g4me says:

    @136 Anonymous: “How we should respond to this knowledge is open for debate, but choosing not to respond is no longer an acceptable option. I don’t have all the answers. I don’t think anyone else does either. But I think the American eugenists of the 1920s might have been basically decent responsible people and we should honor instead of lambast and denigrate their memory. Sterilizing willful serious criminals and degenerates by mandate and encouraging noncriminal but stupid people to voluntarily not breed with rewards for being fixed seems ok to me.”

    I really can’t argue with this. I understand and even agree with AM’s point about the child being innocent, but I cannot countenance forcing a rape victim to bear her rapist’s child – even while I recognize that is not morally consistent with my opposition to abortion as killing a new life. It just feels deeply wrong and immoral. I also agree with AM that we’re not all that smart and not the best judges of many things, but your point that the issue and knowledge can no longer be ignored is compelling, and I agree.

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  171. 3g4me says:

    @155 theMann: “Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.

    So, if you do sleep around, take your chances, because morally speaking, you have no ground to stand on.”

    Gee, kinda sorta reminds me of the moral and cultural rules of Western Christendom for centuries. Maybe ‘Murrica ought to give it a try? Nah, it be for old dayd White people.

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  172. Jack D says:
    @sick.boy
    "There are a lot of talented people who are the offspring of a Jewish parent and a black parent."


    I'm not sure about that, but in my experience half Jewish mulattoes are noticeably smarter than goy mulattoes on average.

    I don’t think this is very surprising. While individual crosses may vary, for large populations the IQ of a mixed population is roughly equal to the weighted average of its component populations. Barack Obama is a pretty smart guy but his half-Jewish half brother is a nuclear physicist who speaks Mandarin.

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  173. Jack D says:
    @guest
    Kamala with the Good Hair tweets a platitude, how brave.

    Of course "survivors" (shouldn't we preserve that term for people who escaped probable or at least heightened chance of death? How many sexual assault victims face death?) deserve to be believed and not blamed. But how do we know who's actually been assaulted, when there's doubt?

    The implied commandment is you better believe people who say they've been assaulted (mostly women) or else!

    I've encountered plenty of people on the internet lately who argue along the lines of "if a woman said she was raped, she was raped." That's our potential future. (Boot stomping on face, and all that.)

    In many of the kangaroo kourt kollege “rape” prosecutions the “judges” were trained that any amount of alcohol negates consent (for women) so as soon as the defendant admitted that the woman had had any alcohol, that was it – the (low) burden of proof was met and the defendant was guilty.

    The logic was this – SOME amount of alcohol negates consent and the “rapist” had no way of knowing how much alcohol the woman had consumed, so therefore, we should assume that she had consumed enough alcohol to negate consent.

    This is logic worthy of a witch trial:

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  174. @3g4me
    @127 Simple Song: "Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what’s the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it’s all just food amirite? I also don’t see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they’re both just pictures of emotional naked dudes."

    Excellent comment overall and lots of upvotes sent your way. I learn a great deal from my reading and debating online. Ultimately one must utilize that in the real world, but it is in no way comparable to the passive act of sitting and virtually watching someone else do something. Even if it is only to make pointed comments (I'm not yet ready to be arrested by the thought police so I limit myself to carefully worded but crystal clear remarks to others in the real world) it does bear fruit. Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans. When he asked me to repeat myself I did so, still in a calm but definitive voice. He had no response and the Hindu and others in earshot knew precisely what I meant.

    Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans. When he asked me to repeat myself I did so, still in a calm but definitive voice. He had no response and the Hindu and others in earshot knew precisely what I meant.

    Polite, firm, subtle but also obvious. Great work.

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    Feeding ammunition to the enemy is not 'great work'
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  175. L Woods says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Yes, this one of the many stupid young women tricks (heh) that’s out there, as is wearing “do me” clothes and being offended when young men look and or attempt to fondle the body parts she was trying to attract the attention to in the first place.
     
    Young women are narcissists, tending to solipsists.

    In their minds, they're dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don't like are "creepy" and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.

    A corollary of this is that after two glasses of Chardonnay responsibility for a woman's virtue and physical safety becomes entirely the responsibility of every man present regardless of how wanton she acts and how enthusiastically she pursues sexual contact. Her consumption of some alcohol means that her consent is invalid ab initio. Except maybe unless the guy is hot. And calls back.

    You’re not kidding. This is literally what DoD pedals now, never mind academia.

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  176. NOTA says:
    @27 year old

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to black men on campus that if they are accused of rape, they could always call it racism.

    And of course it wouldn’t occur to white women that they had better not accuse a black man of rape because they’d be called racists.

    No, the effects of the whole racism thing can, as usual, work only in the one, permissible direction.
     
    This comment made me see things in a new light...

    If the accused is not allowed to confront his accuser, he can't claim racism and get away with it.

    If the women know that they will always be anonymous, they know that they won't have to worry about being called a racist for reporting a rape by a black male.

    Since we know that in fact it is mostly blacks who are doing the raping, I wonder if this recent re-assertment of due process when it comes to campus rape allegations won't turn out to be yet another massive own goal leading to even more White girls getting raped by blacks.

    Racial stats on campus sexual assault would be useful for making an informed decision about how much to care about "due process".

    The "kangaroo courts" complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?

    The existing process is completely broken. I wonder if they discipline more actual rapists or nonrapists, when all is said and done.

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  177. Jack D says:
    @ScarletNumber
    The Duke players put themselves in that situation, so I didn't feel bad for them in the least.

    What situation did they put themselves in? They ordered up a white stripper. This is a traditional and harmless form of male entertainment. It’s not even illegal. It was sort of touchingly old fashioned in a way.

    What followed was a completely unforeseeable tragi-comedy of our times that could only have been imagined by Tom Wolfe. They didn’t deserve what happened to them at all, not even by some sort of warped puritanical standard.

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    It was even more bizarre than that. They had a 'tradition' of going to a strip club. Due to pressure on them to clean up their act as a group, the captain decided to forgo underage drinking in a bar and hold the event in their house.

    The notion that they would rape a crack ho should have encouraged at least a hint of skepticism. She was no Rashida Jones.
    , @ScarletNumber
    I have never ordered a stripper in my life.
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  178. AB- says:

    Muh, DICK! That’s all you gotta know. It’s been interesting reading all the SWAG’s about negro guys motivations in life. But they are really primitive motivations…

    It’s not Clemson or whatever other school; it’s The Ohio State University.

    If their players don’t get drafted by the pro’s, they play on the prison or jail teams….the school uniform should look more like prison garb to get them used to the look..

    (Scientific Wild Ass Guesses)

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  179. The fact that so many of you are still banging on about DEMSRDAREELRAYCISTS and trying to argue with schizophrenics using “muh lawgic” shows that

    1) Most people around here have learned anything from the last few years.

    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.

    Anglin is right in that Rules for Radicals is as good for the goose as it is for the gander. Also, mockery is how you short circuit this nonsense, not high minded appeals that sound good to those on the spectrum but don’t work with insane fanatics.

    Some of you still dont get the nature of the beast here.

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    Alinsky is essentially the Cliff's Notes version of The Great One's turgid tome (y'all know, the one he wrote in the hoosegow back in '25) and it's impossible to get cuckservatives to read either one. They love to thunder against both but have never picked either up. (Yes, I know Alinsky wrote two books.)

    Then again they all love The Bible but they really don't read that either except the parts their megachurch Darby preacher has told them to.
    , @Opinionator
    Give us some examples of mockery to work with.
    , @Boethiuss


    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.
     
    Physician, heal thyself.

    You have heard that there's been a slew of GOP retirements, either announced or upcoming. I might have agreed with you 3 months ago, but now it looks like rats are leaving the sinking ship.

    And who can blame them really? If it wasn't as frustrating, I'd be laughing at you bitching at how much your adversaries want to do you in, at the same time doing your level best to piss off the people who are in a position to prevent it. As it is, all I can say is it's well past time to get off the train for Team Trump and on the train for Team America.
    , @Boethiuss


    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.
     
    Physician, heal thyself.

    You have heard that there’s been a slew of GOP retirements, either announced or upcoming. I might have agreed with you 3 months ago, but now it looks like rats are leaving the sinking ship.

    And who can blame them really? If it wasn’t as frustrating, I’d be laughing at you bitching at how much your adversaries want to do you in, at the same time doing your level best to piss off the people who are in a position to prevent it. As it is, all I can say is it’s well past time to get off the train for Team Trump and on the train for Team America.
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  180. bomag says:
    @AM

    The “kangaroo courts” complaint comes from the White male innate fairness/autiste/muh rule of law perspective, but if the result of these kangaroo courts is that black male rapists are getting kicked out of the target rich environment, why would we want to stop them?
     
    Because chances are high that the kangaroo courts will simply gloss over the crimes of black men, since they don't have any interest in actually stopping rape.

    since they don’t have any interest in actually stopping rape

    Good point.

    In better times, we had separate facilities and chaperones.

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  181. L Woods says:
    @fish

    In their minds, they’re dressing for hot guys whom they like, not any man with a set of eyes. Guys who are not hot and whom they don’t like are “creepy” and not allowed to appreciate the show of skin.
     
    This helpful video should clear up everything nicely.


    https://vimeo.com/30042289

    All sexual “morality” as stipulated by women boils down to three simple things:

    1. Attempting to force alphas into commitment/punishing alphas for not committing

    2. Keeping betas in a state of servile deprivation and immiseration, such that they will feed attention and resources to women while receiving nothing in return and await eagerly their chance to serve as an escape hatch and meal ticket for a woman who spent her prime years on the alpha hookup circuit and has now grown too old/used up/indebted to do so. Alternating tactics of incessant, lifelong psychological abuse (to keep them down) and “man-up” shaming tactics (to keep them from slipping into the next category, where they are no longer of use) are employed.

    3. Keeping omegas down, out, and far far away (preferably dead)

    Any time you’re lectured about what’s “right” r.e. women and sexuality, this is what’s being forced down your throat. QED

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  182. @Alec Leamas

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won’t work all the time–sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt–but it’s a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.
     
    DemsRRealRacists!

    You do understand that these conflicts in the coalition can always be addressed by redoubling the efforts to drive the narrative back to rich white laxrosse frat boys, don't you? They can always paper over differences by throwing a few more white boys into the volcano.

    Also, it has been reported that Rubin-Erdely had a few situations around which to spin her campus rape yarn, where one was a situation at her alma mater UPENN (25% Chosen), and another involved black athlete perpetrators, but she chose the UVA Frat Bros. Do you really think you can hold these people to account? They know what they're doing, and they're doing it willfully and purposely.

    They know what they’re doing, and they’re doing it willfully and purposely.

    Sabrina Rubin-Erdely’s “A Rape on Campus” was just blatantly obvious anti-gentilism. There was some piece–which I can’t find now–where she discussed her process and talked about her process following leads, went to Harvard–didn’t “feel right”–went somewhere else–didn’t feel right–went to UVA with the colonial architecture and blond frat boys … bingo!

    At that point probably any sort of “filter” she may have possessed–if she even has much of one–was off. The story was too good to pass up. It could have been blond fraternity boys, kidnapping Jewish babies and slicing them up for tender steaks at their barbeques and she would have bought it. Guys kneeling down and poking amidst broken glass with their erect manhoods for sloppy 2nds, 3rds … 7ths
    –completely credible.

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  183. @AM

    Milo got as far as he did at least in part by being gay. You might be able to stir up Sheldon Adelson’s fear of antisemitism with Hispanic or Muslim immigration. Muslims don’t like gays.
     
    Milo got as far as he did by being funny and having mad debate skills. Nobody cares if he's gay - Berkeley rioted anyway. Homosexuals still protest him anyway.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn't work either.

    And yes, muslims don't like gays, but let's be clear, the SJWs don't really like gays either. They've already been somewhat ditched for the transgenders. What historical movements have somewhat championed homosexual causes have dumped them not all that long later as unhelpful pervs (at best).

    The issue is that SJWs want to tear down Western Civilization, which I note at one point was half filled with white Christian males. Anything at hand that is against Western Civilization will do. And anyone unapologetically for it will be on the wrong side, regardless of number of Pokemon points.

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn’t work either.

    Your history is incomplete. The “Golden Age” of Jewish history was their time in Muslim Iberia.

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    Not really. Jews, like Christians, were 2nd class citizens at best. And at worst, they were not tolerated at all.

    The classic pattern of Islamic rule (up until the present day) is that hard men from the desert who are religious fanatics to boot sweep in and take over.

    After a couple of generations , they get citified and get notions of things like tolerance and art and music in their head. At this point things can be almost decent for non-Muslims living in their midst.

    The another group of hard men from the desert who are religious fanatics to boot sweep in and take over.... Things not so good - ask the Yazidis of Iraq.
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  184. @Twinkie

    the feminist campaign to criminalise male sexuality in order to make men eternal hostages to malicious accusations by women
     
    You know there is an easy defense for this, right?

    Don't have sex with a woman you did not marry.

    Just as women having sex with random men open the former up to all kinds of possible dangers and abuses (mostly physical), so do men who have sex with random women increase their exposure to the mentally unstable and/or malicious, and the associated risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn't be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one's prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person's character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can't have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.

    I’m with you morally and socially. I’d love for our culture to get back to the presumption of monogamy. That’s how a civilized society operates.

    But … men and women are different. (Men polygamous, women hypergamous.)

    Men simply do not have control over the “promiscuity market”. It’s women who create and maintain the mores around dating/sex/hookups. What exactly are men–horny young men–supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women–and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    Men do have control over the “marriage market” and can say “no” to women who don’t offer much–have been promiscuous, don’t seem solidly committed to being a wife and mother. More men in fact seem to be doing that–saying “no” to marriage. But even there men are in a bind. There simply aren’t enough women whose sexual behavior has been above board and suggests high character, future oriented thinking, likely strong sexual bonding with their husband and commitment to lifelong fidelity. So most men who want a family have to settle. Men are indeed signaling in the marriage market that the available women aren’t very compelling. But it’s pushing on a string.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who–properly signaled by men–can fix it. Having men forgo the one benefit available to them in it–sex–seems a stretch. And creating a culture of promiscuity, then trashing men’s educations and careers simply for being promiscuous is in fact unjust.

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    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who–properly signaled by men–can fix it.

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.

    I'd like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

    , @AM

    Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women–and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?
     
    And how many young men would commit to marriage at 19 or 20 today, a fine age historically for such ventures? The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical. It's the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.

    If you want to have sex with a woman who is probably a virgin and committed to you in your twenties, the solution is the same as it always was - marry one by about age 21 or so.

    Yes, I agree women are the gatekeepers, but men have benefited from free milk and the older a woman gets without real prospects, the more pressure she feels to be promiscuous. At some point, someone has to go first in returning to more traditional modes of sexuality.
    , @Twinkie

    What exactly are men–horny young men–supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women
     
    Yes, that's right. Sexual appetite is like any other appetite. Have some self-control and don't be gluttonous.

    and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?
     
    That would be nice, but there are less drastic options such as getting to know a young woman by befriending her, spending time with her, and getting to know her as a human being BEFORE initiating sexual intimacy. This young woman need not be a "virgin," merely someone one ascertains through the friendship to be a good, emotionally stable person.

    Just because there is a buffet (of nasty food) doesn't mean one has to partake. One gets ONE plate of food. Pick wisely and savor the quality over time.

    We do indeed live in a hypersexualized world. No one sex is at fault. We - all (or most) of us - created it. We can change it by abstaining from unwise behaviors and engaging in wholesome ones... instead of blaming it on the women only. It takes two to tango, you know.
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  185. @Johann Ricke

    Jungle fever followed by regret rape, AND blacks being more likely to take what they want without consent.
     
    It's a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed. They probably intuit this on some level, even while claiming racism at every turn.

    It’s a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed.

    The last time I checked — around the time of McCleskey — the reason was that white murderers were more likely to have killed whites.

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    Which is characterized as white society not giving a crap about blacks, but could just as easily be blacks not caring enough about blacks. "Snitches get stitches," and all that.

    They always complain when the murder of one pretty white girl in the Caribbean or wherever is a national news story. What about hundreds blacks dying in big American cities? Well, you don't want the public Noticing all the black-on-black murder, last time I checked.

    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they'd declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population. (So you can cry amongst the cornfields?).

    I think the redistribution part is already the plan, and may be taking place as we speak.

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  186. Pat Boyle says:
    @SFG
    With all due respect, the lady deserves a little more credit.

    She made two lengthy, good pieces before this about the way due process is being ignored in sexual assault cases, and even had a longer piece before that in Slate...just before she left. I think her real interest is in attacking the sexual assault kangaroo courts, as that's what she published on first and more extensively.

    And in the Atlantic, it's coming from a counterintuitive place.

    I think this is actually a nice piece of SJW jujitsu. You can ignore the plight of men...but what about *black* men? Aha!

    It might be a useful strategy for making politically incorrect arguments, in fact. Sure, it won't work all the time--sometimes white straight men really are the ones being hurt--but it's a nice way to drive wedges into the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Rape is essentially a black crime. It is definitely not a crime committed by elderly Asian women. It is a crime – like murder, burglary and armed robbery – closely associated with young black males. Everyone knows this. Why must I have to point out the obvious?

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    Gang rape even more so.
    , @Chuck
    Rape is essentially a female crime. Specifically a slutty female (I repeat myself) crime.

    Filthy, lying whores are the death of civilization.
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  187. KM32 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, good comment, and it brings up what I was going to write. I hate to say it, but some of you people are part of the problem. You know damn well that there's no reason there needs to be college football at this huge level of publicity and money - a farm system like baseball would do just fine for the NFL, as if I gave a crap about that either.

    It's just a big business that is still attached to universities, and all the corruption in terms of both the degradation of the degrees given to serious athletes and the whitewashing of the rapes will continue while the sport is supported so well by so many people.

    Our own iSteve writes about some of this in terms of the politics, but other times as if it were the most exciting thing going. Hey, people have hobbies, and I'd be the last to say "YOU MUST NOT SUPPORT FOOTBALL", but if you're gonna be a fan, especially into middle age, you're some part of this problem, albeit unwittingly.

    A guy with the handle "Freddie" would write the same thing under about every other post on Zerohedge a few years back - something like "Quit watching the damn TV and supporting Hollywood, you people are part of the problem.", over and over again. I really appreciated his doing that after a while.

    (Oh, no, I'm not Freddie ;-}

    You’ve made some good points. When you add in the fact that it’s a system for leaving maimed, brain-damaged bodies who start suffering dementia at 45, then it’s hardly moral to continue supporting for other reasons, as well.

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  188. Pat Boyle says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Steve! Koven! (BTW, you like movies - ever seen a C-grade movie called "Coven"? It's hilarious)

    Yeah, parts of western Mass are Klan-hot-spots on the $PLC interactive hate-map. In fact, much of New England, the majority of the country east of the Sierra and Cascade ranges, and all of Alaska south of the North Slope is marked up in bright red. We are in one big-ass hot-spot, oft-dubbed a Super-Klancano, and our Civil Rights leaders are pretty thin on the ground right now.

    We're in a tight spot boys. :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPImdMknAO4

    It’s strange how good George Clooney is in this movie considering how bad (or boring) he was in every other movie he was ever in. I think he may have been sabotaged by his looks. Being very handsome, he got cast as action heroes and romantic leads. He could have been the new Red Skelton but the casting directors saw him as a young Robert Taylor type.

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    I don't think he was ever going to be allowed to be Red Skelton. But he's had plenty opportunity to do comedy. You can't entirely blame casting directors, because he didn't play so many straight leading men until he became a Serious Ah-ctor and director in the mid-2000s.

    Also because Clooney's breakthrough role was as the handsome hero heartthrob doctor on ER. So everyone knew he was capable of that from the get-go. Earlier, he appeared on tv comedies: Facts of Life and Roseanne, for instance. His early years in movies were fairly broad, with a variety of genres. But even if they weren't strictly comedic, they were comedy-heavy. Let's take a look:

    From Dusk Till Dawn (horror-com)
    One Fine Day (rom-com)
    Out of Sight (sexy heist-com)
    Three Kings (war-com)
    Ocean's 11-35 (heist-com)
    Various Coen Brothers joints (comedy)

    The biggest mistake of his career, Batman and Robin, was basically a comedy. As comedic as the old tv series, anyway.

    He had a boring straight leading-actionman role in the Peacemaker, a dud mixed in chronologically with the films mentioned above. And a less boring but straight action-drama turn in the Perfect Storm, which was also in this period.

    Let's agree to forget the sci-fi snoozer Solaris. Everyone else has.

    Wasn't until he did Goodnight and Good Luck and Syriana, for which he won the supporting actor Oscar, that Clooney became more serious straightman Clooney than funny, charming, comedic Clooney. Then he started doing stuff like Michael Clayton, Up in the Air, the American, Ides of March, the Descendants, Monuments Men, and Tomorrow Land. (Up in the Air and the Descendants could technically be considered comedies, but not so much Clooney's role.)

    You can't blame casting directors for those, because at that point he was George Damn Clooney, and a lot of them were movies he directed, as well. So I guess he cast himself.

    Also, he was still making comedies from time to time. And not just Oceans and Coen Brothers movies. You may have forgotten Leatherheads and Men Who Stare at Goats. I don't blame you.

    I personally enjoy Clooney most in movies like Intolerable Cruelty and Leatherheads: zany, old-timey romantic comedies. But who cares what I like?

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  189. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    If they were minding their own business and it was a genuine case of forcible rape without provccation-what Todd Akin called "legitimate rape" (which will be his epitaph)-then I do care a hell of a lot about what happens to them. The rapists should be executed or have their block and tackle lopped off. If we can't do that, at least kick them off the team and do everything we can to keep them from going to another school or the NFL.

    If they are leading black football players on thinking they can control the terms of the encounter and wind up pulling twenty cars onto the main line, then, fuck them. It should be a teachable moment for the rest of the girls. Sometimes, as Ole Bob Whitaker used to say, you have to stick the puppy's nose in the poop.

    I hate to keep bringing the ill-aging and surly old battleaxe up, but Big Little Miss Muffett hit the nail on the head. We should quote her a lot because the SJCs (and you know what the C stands for) can't screw with her that much. If a man had said what she said about her railroading experience at the Cleveland 81 clubhouse he'd be deplatformed forever.



    Rock icon Chrissie Hynde has no regrets about suggesting provocatively dressed, intoxicated women "ask" to be raped.

    The Pretenders frontwoman, 65, sparked anger from campaigners against sexual violence when promoting her autobiography last year after sharing her recollections of being raped by members of an Ohio biker gang at the age of 21.

    Chrissie told Britain's Sunday Times magazine at the time that she took responsibility for what happened and added women should avoid being "provocative" and not "entice" potential rapists by wearing sexually suggestive clothing.

    In a new interview with The Times, the rocker has hit back at her critics, saying they cannot handle the truth about men's lack of sexual control.

    "What I'm saying is that women think men are in control all the time, but men are weaker than women," she explains. "And don't mess with these guys because when its unleashed they can't control themselves. That's too profound for most people."

    At the height of the controversy over her comments the Brass in Pocket singer attempted to clarify her remarks, and on Good Morning America insisted she wasn't aiming to "advise" women.

    However, now she is unrepentant about her remarks, saying, "I have to be honest, I don't give a f---. First I didn't know because I don't read my press but when I kept being questioned about it I said, 'If you're going to walk around in your underwear drunk, you're asking for it'.

    "And they really jumped on me for that. Because the idea in this climate of pseudo-empowerment is that no means no. Well I have news for you girls, a stiff d--- means yes."

    Chrissie adds that she blames herself for the rape due to being depressed and on drugs at the time.

    "The point is: I shouldn't have been where I was," she explains. "Why? Because I didn't want to go home. I wanted experience. I was depressed an f---ed up, which is when bad things happen. Believe me, nobody in the history of mankind has made good choices on Quaaludes."
     
    http://www.kincardinenews.com/2016/10/12/chrissie-hynde-i-have-no-regrets-about-expressing-my-views-on-rape


    “Now, let me assure you,” [Hynde] writes [in 'Reckless'], “that, technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges.”

    It was distressing to read, I begin to say.

    “Yeah, but those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do.”

    But to blame yourself, even now?

    “Of course. Because you can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive…”

    Exactly! Naive and vulnerable and they took advantage of that...

    “They’re motorcycle guys! If you play with fire you get burnt. It’s not any secret, is it?”

     

    http://ijr.com/2015/08/407689-rocker-chrissie-hynde-fire-comments-made-sexual-assault-recent-interview/

    “the SJCs can’t screw with her that much.”

    They can ignore her. Don’t know why that’s not been the strategy. But anyway, she’s had zero discernable influence over rape hysterics, so I don’t think they’re worried.

    It’s fun for us and when famous people Notice things and Real Talk about them. And I suppose every bit helps.

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  190. guest says:
    @hhsiii
    No, it isn't. It would be as if Brooks wrote almost exclusively about the problems of unlimited immigration (the "campus rape" delusion is Yoffe's specialty) and wrote one article emphasizing that it particularly was a problem for native blacks. Which can be true even if blacks cause a lot of their own problems that aren't caused by immigration.

    Maybe, if he implied immigration hurts blacks because someone had it out for blacks. In this case, it’s not merely a poor blacks thing or even a “blacks hardest hit thing. The argument is that blacks are disproportionately victims of trumped-up charges and denial of due process because they’re black, with the implication that others deserve it.

    I don’t see what this lady’s previous work has to do with it, one way or the he other. Because look at what she’s saying here, and it’s not the same story from a different angle. It’s a pure social justice argument.

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    Valid point. She still has done some good work on the topic overall.
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  191. @AnotherDad

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.
     
    I'm with you morally and socially. I'd love for our culture to get back to the presumption of monogamy. That's how a civilized society operates.

    But ... men and women are different. (Men polygamous, women hypergamous.)

    Men simply do not have control over the "promiscuity market". It's women who create and maintain the mores around dating/sex/hookups. What exactly are men--horny young men--supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say "no" to what's actually on offer--sex with available young women--and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she's finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    Men do have control over the "marriage market" and can say "no" to women who don't offer much--have been promiscuous, don't seem solidly committed to being a wife and mother. More men in fact seem to be doing that--saying "no" to marriage. But even there men are in a bind. There simply aren't enough women whose sexual behavior has been above board and suggests high character, future oriented thinking, likely strong sexual bonding with their husband and commitment to lifelong fidelity. So most men who want a family have to settle. Men are indeed signaling in the marriage market that the available women aren't very compelling. But it's pushing on a string.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who--properly signaled by men--can fix it. Having men forgo the one benefit available to them in it--sex--seems a stretch. And creating a culture of promiscuity, then trashing men's educations and careers simply for being promiscuous is in fact unjust.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who–properly signaled by men–can fix it.

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.

    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

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    "It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age"

    When has that ever not been the case?

    It helps if he can't have sex with whomever he wants in the meantime. And if you haven't run through a million penises by the time he settles on someone else.
    , @AnotherDad

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.
    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.
     
    Women have created it by being promiscuous. It's really that simple.

    Yes, men now days are reluctant to marry. Why should they? What's in it for them?

    But my dad was very eager to marry my mom when he got out of the service at 21. She made him work through a few years of college on the GI bill and but they did marry before he was even out of college.

    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.
     
    Uh ... women can stop being promiscuous. That will pretty much fix it.

    That can happen with a cultural change where they slut shame more. Guys refusing to marry promiscuous women--a trend already happening--and being explicit about it would definitely help. ("Enjoy your cats".) Offer marriage to younger virginal women instead. Also changes to avoid divorce rape, like a default to shared custody and no child support would help. Women would be more serious about their marriage commitment.

    But obviously these things will only happen--or at least are more likely to happen--when there has been a cultural change and we don't have a media hostile to traditional sexual restraint and monogamy.
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  192. guest says:
    @ScarletNumber
    The Duke players put themselves in that situation, so I didn't feel bad for them in the least.

    When you order a stripper, it’s fair game for you to become the pet project of a criminally overzealous prosecutor, punching bag of the national media, l and almost have your life ruined?

    What is the matter with you?

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  193. guest says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The HBD connection is muddled here because we are mostly talking about athletes. I suspect black computer science, econ and history majors don't rape coeds more than the average population. Being a star athlete seems to bring out the worst in American blacks - a complete sense of entitlement. I tend to think some of that is cultural. If you tell someone for 18 years - "you are unfairly discriminated against and white people are out to hurt you" and then at age 19 " but now you are a star and have license to do whatever you want", you have to expect bad behavior.

    There are athletes of their races on campuses, you know.

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  194. @Simple Song
    Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what's the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it's all just food amirite? I also don't see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they're both just pictures of emotional naked dudes.

    Anyway, yes, I think watching non sports television is also a little sad, particularly reruns. Most concerts I frankly don't care for although I enjoy listening to music while I'm doing other things. Regarding this site, other sites, reading books: I'm exposed to new ideas that I hadn't thought of before, interesting opinions, some I adopt, some I modify, some I reject, in sum they allow me to make better sense of the world and hopefully make wiser decisions. In particular, in a relatively atomized culture that is choking on its own PC, the comments section is often where the real truth lies. Arguing in the comments section--it's useful for other people to see your perspective just as it is useful for you to see theirs. Putting your perspective into writing is a useful exercise by itself as it will often expose errors in your thinking you didn't otherwise appreciate. You can have much more interesting exchanges than in real life because 1.) more people 2.) anonymity allows honesty.

    Bottom line, media that is not passively consumed is fundamentally empowering. And it's free, and I can do it when it's convenient for me. In short, it's awesome.

    So far, this is the best observation regarding trade offs between passive and active media of the month and perhaps one of the best of the year.

    Beginning to wonder if most here are around the same age as it takes maturity to come to these insightful observations.

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  195. guest says:
    @ben tillman

    It’s a calculated bet. The Black Card does get blacks off at a higher rate than non-blacks. Blacks commit a majority of murders, but are only about 1/3 of the executed.
     
    The last time I checked -- around the time of McCleskey -- the reason was that white murderers were more likely to have killed whites.

    Which is characterized as white society not giving a crap about blacks, but could just as easily be blacks not caring enough about blacks. “Snitches get stitches,” and all that.

    They always complain when the murder of one pretty white girl in the Caribbean or wherever is a national news story. What about hundreds blacks dying in big American cities? Well, you don’t want the public Noticing all the black-on-black murder, last time I checked.

    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they’d declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population. (So you can cry amongst the cornfields?).

    I think the redistribution part is already the plan, and may be taking place as we speak.

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    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they’d declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population.
     
    Well, there are some problems with that too.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/
    , @StillCARealist
    The redistribution plan is totally racist in my opinion. what it implies is that these welfare blacks need to be interspersed with white people in order to improve their behavior. Being in black communities holds them back and they just become more of what their non-functional surroundings demonstrate.

    It screams out, "hey blacks! Act more like whites!"
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  196. @Anonymous
    If they were minding their own business and it was a genuine case of forcible rape without provccation-what Todd Akin called "legitimate rape" (which will be his epitaph)-then I do care a hell of a lot about what happens to them. The rapists should be executed or have their block and tackle lopped off. If we can't do that, at least kick them off the team and do everything we can to keep them from going to another school or the NFL.

    If they are leading black football players on thinking they can control the terms of the encounter and wind up pulling twenty cars onto the main line, then, fuck them. It should be a teachable moment for the rest of the girls. Sometimes, as Ole Bob Whitaker used to say, you have to stick the puppy's nose in the poop.

    I hate to keep bringing the ill-aging and surly old battleaxe up, but Big Little Miss Muffett hit the nail on the head. We should quote her a lot because the SJCs (and you know what the C stands for) can't screw with her that much. If a man had said what she said about her railroading experience at the Cleveland 81 clubhouse he'd be deplatformed forever.



    Rock icon Chrissie Hynde has no regrets about suggesting provocatively dressed, intoxicated women "ask" to be raped.

    The Pretenders frontwoman, 65, sparked anger from campaigners against sexual violence when promoting her autobiography last year after sharing her recollections of being raped by members of an Ohio biker gang at the age of 21.

    Chrissie told Britain's Sunday Times magazine at the time that she took responsibility for what happened and added women should avoid being "provocative" and not "entice" potential rapists by wearing sexually suggestive clothing.

    In a new interview with The Times, the rocker has hit back at her critics, saying they cannot handle the truth about men's lack of sexual control.

    "What I'm saying is that women think men are in control all the time, but men are weaker than women," she explains. "And don't mess with these guys because when its unleashed they can't control themselves. That's too profound for most people."

    At the height of the controversy over her comments the Brass in Pocket singer attempted to clarify her remarks, and on Good Morning America insisted she wasn't aiming to "advise" women.

    However, now she is unrepentant about her remarks, saying, "I have to be honest, I don't give a f---. First I didn't know because I don't read my press but when I kept being questioned about it I said, 'If you're going to walk around in your underwear drunk, you're asking for it'.

    "And they really jumped on me for that. Because the idea in this climate of pseudo-empowerment is that no means no. Well I have news for you girls, a stiff d--- means yes."

    Chrissie adds that she blames herself for the rape due to being depressed and on drugs at the time.

    "The point is: I shouldn't have been where I was," she explains. "Why? Because I didn't want to go home. I wanted experience. I was depressed an f---ed up, which is when bad things happen. Believe me, nobody in the history of mankind has made good choices on Quaaludes."
     
    http://www.kincardinenews.com/2016/10/12/chrissie-hynde-i-have-no-regrets-about-expressing-my-views-on-rape


    “Now, let me assure you,” [Hynde] writes [in 'Reckless'], “that, technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges.”

    It was distressing to read, I begin to say.

    “Yeah, but those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do.”

    But to blame yourself, even now?

    “Of course. Because you can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive…”

    Exactly! Naive and vulnerable and they took advantage of that...

    “They’re motorcycle guys! If you play with fire you get burnt. It’s not any secret, is it?”

     

    http://ijr.com/2015/08/407689-rocker-chrissie-hynde-fire-comments-made-sexual-assault-recent-interview/

    Sounds like Chrissie has been reading the Koran. If the bikers get a pass, then the athletes get a pass too. “She asked for it” isn’t a good excuse in court.

    Between Hynde’s “I deserved it cause I asked for it”, & Sean Connery’s thing that women’s deserve to be hit when they get too hysterical, makes you wonder if 7th century Islamic views about women have devotees in most unusual places.

    Who exactly does NOT get a pass? Which cohort of adult men can’t pull
    the “she asked for it”?

    Augustus Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, maybe?

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    I don't think Muslims of the Dark Ages are the only people ever to come to the conclusion that's it's occasionally okay for a man to strike a woman.

    When did Connery say that, by the way? Like 30 years ago?

    , @Anonymous
    Chrissie is a devotee of the Bhagavad Gita :


    My favourite book is the Bhagavad Gita. It’s a 700-verse Hindu scripture and I love the verse that says your mind can be your best friend or your worst enemy. You can either pull yourself down or lift yourself up.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/14/chrissie-hynde-this-much-i-know
    , @Anonymous
    She never said she deserved what happened, only that her bad judgment made it probable. And it did.
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  197. @Desiderius
    27-year-old's ilk are pretty sanguine about the whole thing (shading into enthusiastic among the SJW types) because they're not in that minority of young men likely to be accused - the sexually active.

    Referring to marriage as being sexually inactive is not a good way to encourage more White men to get married…

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  198. BB753 says:
    @Whiskey
    There is no, I repeat NO length White women will not go to excuse away the assaults, rapes, and murders of either Muslim or Ghetto hood men. IF every Black guy was as nerdy in reality as the character Urkel, that would be a different matter. White women would be leading the Klan. But instead its White men who are in reality, that nerdy. To their detriment. And so they are punished; as scapegoats.

    SOMEONE has to be at fault. And it certainly won't be Ghetto Black men admitted as "afleets" who can hardly read (like that UCLA football player who graduated illiterate and later sued the university). Nope, it will be some nerd making a dongle joke in front of a SJW women with at best a 7 rating in the looks suspecting accurately that the nerd does not regard her as a sex goddess but someone nearly equal to HIM on the attractiveness ranks; or even worse asking her out for coffee in an elevator. Now THAT's rape!

    Women make excuse after excuse after excuse for violent dominant men no matter how much the abuse because the violent dominance excites them. And nerdy intelligence repels them. Its that simple -- there is no end of ways that the average White women is the complete and total enemy eternally of the average White man given how devalued and useless male providership has bcome; and how the pill, condom, and anonymous urban living have eliminated any limits on expressing female sexuality.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don't see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

    Whiskey, there are not many non-creepy ways to ask a woman out in an elevator. Choose other hunting grounds.

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    Creepy is a term women use to demean beta males....making allusions to rape, serial killer nuts etc

    In reality most ppl who are murdered are done so by ppl they know. And in particular by their abusive bad boy husbands.

    Of the last three white women ive been with all three liked to be spanked....in a manner that creeped me out. I put them over my knee and pulled down their drawers.

    Highly fetishized....women are LYING to you & perhaps delusionally to themselves if they say they don't like dangerous men.....
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  199. Kevin C. says:
    @Stan d Mute

    The one disadvantage the Coalition of the Fringes has is, well, it’s diverse. And diverse people have diverse interests.
     
    That disadvantage is more than offset by the glue that keeps them together: hatred for white men for our achievements since the dawn of recorded history.

    That disadvantage is more than offset by the glue that keeps them together: hatred for white men for our achievements since the dawn of recorded history.

    Indeed. As folks like Genghis Khan have long demonstrated, plenty of fractious groups with deep grudges and ancient enmities can be united by the provision of a common enemy to battle… and to loot. And as the author at “Fifth Political Theory” put it in his lengthy review of Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars from 4chan and Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right:

    Perhaps the most intriguing part of Nagle’s discussion of the vanguard left comes via yet another episode at a British university. An apostate Muslim woman from Iran was invited to speak at Goldsmiths University, only to find herself objected to by the campus “Islamic Society” along with the “Feminist Society” and the “LGBT Society” (79-80). One wonders what kind of mental hoops the feminists were required to jump through to back the Islamists against a woman who left Islam, let alone what obstacle course the LGBTists ran to defend Islamists over a secularist. The apostate, who in criticizing Islam moved from being a victim to a victimizer, found herself assailed by an alliance of marxists and Muslims. This is extremely ironic and Nagle demonstrates she is aware of it.

    The Islamist-Feminist-LGBTist alliance also raises interesting questions about the alt right theory of institutional multiculturalism being self-defeating. If feminists, homosexuals, and transvestites are willing to not only defer to but come to the aid of Muslims in debates over identity and free speech, then multiculturalism as an ideology has a future that doesn’t involve collapsing into an orgy of violent balkanization along ethnic and religious lines, at least not any time soon. So long as mutual opposition can be maintained against designated enemies (white male heterosexuals, people who criticize Islam, wealthy people who do not virtue signal appropriately about the latest social changes, etc.), the coalition of minorities will endure. That vanguard feminists prefer patriarchy as long as it isn’t European (e.g. Islam) is also a fascinating dynamic to observe. What the future holds for these currents is something the alt right and the Western diaspora should pay attention to, because there is a very real chance that ‘accelerationism’ applied to liberal cosmopolitanism is not going to lead to ethnic nationalism.

    My fear is that, so long as one white person still lives, the KKKrazy glue of hating whitey will remain strong enough to overcome the internal differences of the Coalition of the Fringes, and they simply are never going to turn on each other until after they’ve rendereed us literally extinct. And extinction is forever.

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    My fear is that, so long as one white person still lives, the KKKrazy glue of hating whitey will remain strong enough to overcome the internal differences of the Coalition of the Fringes, and they simply are never going to turn on each other until after they’ve rendereed us literally extinct. And extinction is forever
     
    .

    Human extinction is more likely. If it gets that bad some white guys will unleash our dogs of war. The third worlders have zero comprehension that they're antagonizing the (by far) most dangerous beast on this planet. The Africans seem to know (their theories that we created aids and ebola to exterminate them), but lack the self-control to behave as though they know it. The Amerinds from south of the border forget how few Spaniards it took to topple their civilizations. The Chinese forget the handful of Englishmen it took to control China. The Arabs forget we can drill for oil through glass as easily as sand.

    The USA is a fetid disaster but our military is still more than capable of terminating every threat on the planet simultaneously. And a handful of military officers could make that happen. White people will go not gentle into that good night, they will rage against the dying of the light (eventually). We should all tremble in fear of that and work day and night to reverse what has rotted us thus far. It's not too late yet.

    http://www.europeanamericansunited.org/school1/Fiction/kipling/awakened.htm
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  200. guest says:
    @Pat Boyle
    It's strange how good George Clooney is in this movie considering how bad (or boring) he was in every other movie he was ever in. I think he may have been sabotaged by his looks. Being very handsome, he got cast as action heroes and romantic leads. He could have been the new Red Skelton but the casting directors saw him as a young Robert Taylor type.

    I don’t think he was ever going to be allowed to be Red Skelton. But he’s had plenty opportunity to do comedy. You can’t entirely blame casting directors, because he didn’t play so many straight leading men until he became a Serious Ah-ctor and director in the mid-2000s.

    Also because Clooney’s breakthrough role was as the handsome hero heartthrob doctor on ER. So everyone knew he was capable of that from the get-go. Earlier, he appeared on tv comedies: Facts of Life and Roseanne, for instance. His early years in movies were fairly broad, with a variety of genres. But even if they weren’t strictly comedic, they were comedy-heavy. Let’s take a look:

    From Dusk Till Dawn (horror-com)
    One Fine Day (rom-com)
    Out of Sight (sexy heist-com)
    Three Kings (war-com)
    Ocean’s 11-35 (heist-com)
    Various Coen Brothers joints (comedy)

    The biggest mistake of his career, Batman and Robin, was basically a comedy. As comedic as the old tv series, anyway.

    He had a boring straight leading-actionman role in the Peacemaker, a dud mixed in chronologically with the films mentioned above. And a less boring but straight action-drama turn in the Perfect Storm, which was also in this period.

    Let’s agree to forget the sci-fi snoozer Solaris. Everyone else has.

    Wasn’t until he did Goodnight and Good Luck and Syriana, for which he won the supporting actor Oscar, that Clooney became more serious straightman Clooney than funny, charming, comedic Clooney. Then he started doing stuff like Michael Clayton, Up in the Air, the American, Ides of March, the Descendants, Monuments Men, and Tomorrow Land. (Up in the Air and the Descendants could technically be considered comedies, but not so much Clooney’s role.)

    You can’t blame casting directors for those, because at that point he was George Damn Clooney, and a lot of them were movies he directed, as well. So I guess he cast himself.

    Also, he was still making comedies from time to time. And not just Oceans and Coen Brothers movies. You may have forgotten Leatherheads and Men Who Stare at Goats. I don’t blame you.

    I personally enjoy Clooney most in movies like Intolerable Cruelty and Leatherheads: zany, old-timey romantic comedies. But who cares what I like?

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    I seem to have stumbled into a George Clooney scholar. I submit. My expertise in Clooney stuff is only so deep. You are the master.
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  201. guest says:
    @Opinionator
    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who–properly signaled by men–can fix it.

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.

    I'd like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

    “It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age”

    When has that ever not been the case?

    It helps if he can’t have sex with whomever he wants in the meantime. And if you haven’t run through a million penises by the time he settles on someone else.

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    Uh, just 40 years ago.

    It helps if he can’t have sex with whomever he wants in the meantime.

    That's probably been a significant causal factor.
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  202. Pericles says:
    @guest
    Which is characterized as white society not giving a crap about blacks, but could just as easily be blacks not caring enough about blacks. "Snitches get stitches," and all that.

    They always complain when the murder of one pretty white girl in the Caribbean or wherever is a national news story. What about hundreds blacks dying in big American cities? Well, you don't want the public Noticing all the black-on-black murder, last time I checked.

    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they'd declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population. (So you can cry amongst the cornfields?).

    I think the redistribution part is already the plan, and may be taking place as we speak.

    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they’d declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population.

    Well, there are some problems with that too.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

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  203. guest says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sounds like Chrissie has been reading the Koran. If the bikers get a pass, then the athletes get a pass too. "She asked for it" isn't a good excuse in court.

    Between Hynde's "I deserved it cause I asked for it", & Sean Connery's thing that women's deserve to be hit when they get too hysterical, makes you wonder if 7th century Islamic views about women have devotees in most unusual places.

    Who exactly does NOT get a pass? Which cohort of adult men can't pull
    the "she asked for it"?

    Augustus Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, maybe?

    I don’t think Muslims of the Dark Ages are the only people ever to come to the conclusion that’s it’s occasionally okay for a man to strike a woman.

    When did Connery say that, by the way? Like 30 years ago?

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    And yet in the 20th & 21st centuries, it is Islam alone among all major world faiths that publicly advocates for it.

    Connery has been asked about his statements numerous times and has never repudiated them.The closest he has come is that he was taken out of context. Diane Cilento, his first wife, wrote that she was hit in the face numerous times by Connery during their marriage.
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  204. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    What situation did they put themselves in? They ordered up a white stripper. This is a traditional and harmless form of male entertainment. It's not even illegal. It was sort of touchingly old fashioned in a way.

    What followed was a completely unforeseeable tragi-comedy of our times that could only have been imagined by Tom Wolfe. They didn't deserve what happened to them at all, not even by some sort of warped puritanical standard.

    It was even more bizarre than that. They had a ‘tradition’ of going to a strip club. Due to pressure on them to clean up their act as a group, the captain decided to forgo underage drinking in a bar and hold the event in their house.

    The notion that they would rape a crack ho should have encouraged at least a hint of skepticism. She was no Rashida Jones.

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  205. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sounds like Chrissie has been reading the Koran. If the bikers get a pass, then the athletes get a pass too. "She asked for it" isn't a good excuse in court.

    Between Hynde's "I deserved it cause I asked for it", & Sean Connery's thing that women's deserve to be hit when they get too hysterical, makes you wonder if 7th century Islamic views about women have devotees in most unusual places.

    Who exactly does NOT get a pass? Which cohort of adult men can't pull
    the "she asked for it"?

    Augustus Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, maybe?

    Chrissie is a devotee of the Bhagavad Gita :

    My favourite book is the Bhagavad Gita. It’s a 700-verse Hindu scripture and I love the verse that says your mind can be your best friend or your worst enemy. You can either pull yourself down or lift yourself up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/14/chrissie-hynde-this-much-i-know

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    The Gita has quite a few verses extolling the use of drugs as well as copious amounts of butter.

    In Crissy's case the choice of reading material might explain a lot of things.

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  206. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack Hanson
    The fact that so many of you are still banging on about DEMSRDAREELRAYCISTS and trying to argue with schizophrenics using "muh lawgic" shows that

    1) Most people around here have learned anything from the last few years.

    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.

    Anglin is right in that Rules for Radicals is as good for the goose as it is for the gander. Also, mockery is how you short circuit this nonsense, not high minded appeals that sound good to those on the spectrum but don't work with insane fanatics.

    Some of you still dont get the nature of the beast here.

    Alinsky is essentially the Cliff’s Notes version of The Great One’s turgid tome (y’all know, the one he wrote in the hoosegow back in ’25) and it’s impossible to get cuckservatives to read either one. They love to thunder against both but have never picked either up. (Yes, I know Alinsky wrote two books.)

    Then again they all love The Bible but they really don’t read that either except the parts their megachurch Darby preacher has told them to.

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  207. Olorin says:
    @Demontage2000
    Schools must reduce this shameful bias in the data for black male rapists by producing more white male rapists.

    More effective still to remove women from campus.

    Then see what happens to the data when there are no more women to rape.

    (We can, of course, predict, based on known trends….)

    At some point, someone will complain that it’s sexist and imperialist to keep women from having a college education.

    But I say what’s more important and full of tasty justice–women getting educated? Or making sure that blacks aren’t unjustly recognized as committing the crimes they commit, given how Noticing is racist?

    Whatever it takes to fix those statistics! I think colleges should go the Portland and Chicago route and just stop counting them. That’ll get rid of all those troubling numbers/trends, 100%!!

    Besides, why should we believe statistics when women say that blacks are raping them? Obviously racist. Everyone knows that black men don’t rape women. Women just lie when they claim otherwise! We shouldn’t count anything that conflicts with our chosen ahem narratives!

    (Honestly, Emily Yoffe should be bottled and sold as a controlled hallucinogenic substance.)

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    Or we could just have separate colleges for women, and perhaps for negroes too, like back in the day. The more separation the better, frankly. Seems to cure all ills, and prevent them too.
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  208. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Believe me, nobody in the history of mankind has made good choices on Quaaludes.”

    Ha Ha

    Bill Cosby can weigh in on this one. If he was using — then obviously. If he wasn’t — then a bad strategy.

    If he had died tragically a decade ago, he would have been fondly remembered.

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  209. @Jack Hanson
    The fact that so many of you are still banging on about DEMSRDAREELRAYCISTS and trying to argue with schizophrenics using "muh lawgic" shows that

    1) Most people around here have learned anything from the last few years.

    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.

    Anglin is right in that Rules for Radicals is as good for the goose as it is for the gander. Also, mockery is how you short circuit this nonsense, not high minded appeals that sound good to those on the spectrum but don't work with insane fanatics.

    Some of you still dont get the nature of the beast here.

    Give us some examples of mockery to work with.

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  210. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Simple Song
    Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what's the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it's all just food amirite? I also don't see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they're both just pictures of emotional naked dudes.

    Anyway, yes, I think watching non sports television is also a little sad, particularly reruns. Most concerts I frankly don't care for although I enjoy listening to music while I'm doing other things. Regarding this site, other sites, reading books: I'm exposed to new ideas that I hadn't thought of before, interesting opinions, some I adopt, some I modify, some I reject, in sum they allow me to make better sense of the world and hopefully make wiser decisions. In particular, in a relatively atomized culture that is choking on its own PC, the comments section is often where the real truth lies. Arguing in the comments section--it's useful for other people to see your perspective just as it is useful for you to see theirs. Putting your perspective into writing is a useful exercise by itself as it will often expose errors in your thinking you didn't otherwise appreciate. You can have much more interesting exchanges than in real life because 1.) more people 2.) anonymity allows honesty.

    Bottom line, media that is not passively consumed is fundamentally empowering. And it's free, and I can do it when it's convenient for me. In short, it's awesome.

    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don’t get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.

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    Historically, sports were a substitute for warfare among men and served as a safety valve to release pent up aggression. Problem is, at their worst, sports appeals to the least common denominator and can lead one away from higher virtues of faith and work. Mindless sports which saps ones energy and makes one a couch potato.

    In ancient times sports were part of the bread and circus which the state would ramp up whenever the masses got too unruly.

    Sometime the results ended badly. From the 6th century rioting after a chariot race to riots breaking out after soccer matches, modern sports are not designed for the right side of the Bell Curve but for the dumbed down mindless masses.
    , @Opinionator
    I'd like to see you better distinguish between playing sports and spectating them, and even then between involvement in supporting local or community contests versus spectating mass commercial ones. You may have good arguments in favor of any or all of these, but it would serve the discussion if you were more precise.
    , @Ivy
    Sports can help teach fair play and good faith efforts, at least in the English tradition with the Playing Fields of Eton and all that. There is an element of doing the right thing even when no one is looking that supports that ethos, along with pursuing the behavior of a Gentleman. Once such ideals were widely admired and emulated. Now those ideals are too routinely mocked by people who never knew what they didn't know. Dunning-Kruger takes many forms.
    , @Simple Song
    OK, point taken, I actually agree with you on this, but modern American sport is waaaaaaaay far away from the Victorian ideal. The idea of keeping your body and mind in shape, bonding with other members of the communty, amateurism, that's all commendable but we are miles and miles from that. I just reject current sporting culture, it's a horrible, horrible perversion of a once noble impulse. The ugliest things are perversions of beautiful things, after all.
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  211. OT

    When Ghana sends their Afropolitan Chef Luigi Princes, they are really sending their best:

    Call me Ishmael:

    Last August, Osekre organized the African Food Festival, which attendees also called a scam, saying there were only a handful of the promised “24+” chefs and vendors.

    https://ny.eater.com/2017/9/11/16291342/nyc-pizza-festival-scam-investigation

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  212. Kevin C. says:
    @Thea
    Hypothetically, a person works at a college that requires "anti-rape" training. What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?

    What is the best way for this low level peon to stand up to the tide of lies?

    There isn’t one.

    Hypothetically of course but just suppose someone in this position wanted to make a difference?

    They can’t.

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    Just read some of your posting history...I understand your pessimism. What if anything we do would make a difference? I am I right that you think there nothing we can do like we are just farm animals slated for the slaughter?
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  213. Forbes says:
    @3g4me
    @108 Forbes: "Dad’s influence on his little princess ends at about age 13."

    That's the only part of your comment I disagree with. Surrendering one's progeny to a public indoctrination center remains a matter of choice in this country, although I doubt that will last. Choosing to marry someone who thinks dressing her 13 year old inn f-me clothes is another example of decisions have consequences. And choosing not to make explicitly clear to one's teenage children, long before they are teenagers, what sort of behavior will not be tolerated and what the consequences will be for transgressing those limits is, yet again, a matter of personal will or choice. No one said raising functional, responsible children was fun or easy in an age of societal collapse, and there remain character traits a parent cannot outmaneuver via environment, but voluntarily ceding responsibility is just that - voluntary.

    No one said raising functional, responsible children was fun or easy in an age of societal collapse, and there remain character traits a parent cannot outmaneuver via environment, but voluntarily ceding responsibility is just that – voluntary.

    True. But it doesn’t change the cultural tendency and pressure to “go with the flow” as regards raising children–and the very likelihood of Dad’s influence ending when it does. What I’ve seen around me for decades are parents that want to be friends with their children–and only secondarily or accidentally act as parents. The kids run the show. Some/many parents decide that having children should be fun and easy–and take the path of least resistance.

    Schools with their cult of self-esteem, social promotion, grade inflation, and credentialism all displacing achievement, accomplishment, dilligence, and merit. That college campuses are filled with snowflakes claiming victimhood, although distressing, is no surprise.

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  214. eah says:

    DeSoto ISD = DeSoto Independent School District — it’s near Dallas — soon there will be no more white students there and similar comparisons will be a lot more difficult.

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  215. @Jack D
    What situation did they put themselves in? They ordered up a white stripper. This is a traditional and harmless form of male entertainment. It's not even illegal. It was sort of touchingly old fashioned in a way.

    What followed was a completely unforeseeable tragi-comedy of our times that could only have been imagined by Tom Wolfe. They didn't deserve what happened to them at all, not even by some sort of warped puritanical standard.

    I have never ordered a stripper in my life.

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    Well, I guess that settles that. If you don't do it, obviously everyone who does deserves whatever happens to them.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    I just wanted someone to get all that peeling paint off the fence. How was I supposed to know?
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  216. AM says:
    @Whiskey
    There is no, I repeat NO length White women will not go to excuse away the assaults, rapes, and murders of either Muslim or Ghetto hood men. IF every Black guy was as nerdy in reality as the character Urkel, that would be a different matter. White women would be leading the Klan. But instead its White men who are in reality, that nerdy. To their detriment. And so they are punished; as scapegoats.

    SOMEONE has to be at fault. And it certainly won't be Ghetto Black men admitted as "afleets" who can hardly read (like that UCLA football player who graduated illiterate and later sued the university). Nope, it will be some nerd making a dongle joke in front of a SJW women with at best a 7 rating in the looks suspecting accurately that the nerd does not regard her as a sex goddess but someone nearly equal to HIM on the attractiveness ranks; or even worse asking her out for coffee in an elevator. Now THAT's rape!

    Women make excuse after excuse after excuse for violent dominant men no matter how much the abuse because the violent dominance excites them. And nerdy intelligence repels them. Its that simple -- there is no end of ways that the average White women is the complete and total enemy eternally of the average White man given how devalued and useless male providership has bcome; and how the pill, condom, and anonymous urban living have eliminated any limits on expressing female sexuality.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don't see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don’t see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

    I assume you’re chewing roofing nails and punching people in bars in your spare time just to get the testosterone out, rather than another mission of Call of Duty in Mom’s basement?

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  217. AM says:
    @AnotherDad

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.
     
    I'm with you morally and socially. I'd love for our culture to get back to the presumption of monogamy. That's how a civilized society operates.

    But ... men and women are different. (Men polygamous, women hypergamous.)

    Men simply do not have control over the "promiscuity market". It's women who create and maintain the mores around dating/sex/hookups. What exactly are men--horny young men--supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say "no" to what's actually on offer--sex with available young women--and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she's finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    Men do have control over the "marriage market" and can say "no" to women who don't offer much--have been promiscuous, don't seem solidly committed to being a wife and mother. More men in fact seem to be doing that--saying "no" to marriage. But even there men are in a bind. There simply aren't enough women whose sexual behavior has been above board and suggests high character, future oriented thinking, likely strong sexual bonding with their husband and commitment to lifelong fidelity. So most men who want a family have to settle. Men are indeed signaling in the marriage market that the available women aren't very compelling. But it's pushing on a string.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who--properly signaled by men--can fix it. Having men forgo the one benefit available to them in it--sex--seems a stretch. And creating a culture of promiscuity, then trashing men's educations and careers simply for being promiscuous is in fact unjust.

    Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women–and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    And how many young men would commit to marriage at 19 or 20 today, a fine age historically for such ventures? The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical. It’s the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.

    If you want to have sex with a woman who is probably a virgin and committed to you in your twenties, the solution is the same as it always was – marry one by about age 21 or so.

    Yes, I agree women are the gatekeepers, but men have benefited from free milk and the older a woman gets without real prospects, the more pressure she feels to be promiscuous. At some point, someone has to go first in returning to more traditional modes of sexuality.

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    And how many young men would commit to marriage at 19 or 20 today, a fine age historically for such ventures? The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical. It’s the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.
     
    I honestly don't think most men are really ready for marriage at 19 or 20 today. Men mature more slowly and their life role/marital role is one which actually requires more maturity--more work against their natural interests. It requires them to be a very *steady* provider and to *restrain* their aggression and make considered mature judgments. Women need to be mature but they are hormone aided when it comes to bonding sexually with their husbands (at least if they are virgins going into the relationship) and even more so birthing and nursing their children.

    Having an age spread where a young man is say 25, has calmed a bit and at least got his feet solidly on the first or second rung of his career is an ideal age ... to marry a woman who is say 22, has matured out of girlish stupidity and has her eye on building a life a wife and mother, works well.

    The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical.

    You'll note above, I do not say this. Specifically I say the reverse. Women control the "promiscuity market" because there's essentially (naturally) pretty much infinite male demand for free sex. (If you've got a vagina and aren't physically repulsive there is a penis willing to fill it. In fact even if you are physically repulsive!) But men--to a much lesser extent--control the marriage market, because there is high female demand for men--with decent a income stream--who are willing to let a women share it. Men don't have the control they used to because more women have jobs, more women are willing to single-mom it if they don't find what they like, more women are ok being promiscuous and male earnings aren't what they used to be. But still men--or at least quality marriageable men--are the scarce resource in the marriage market.


    It’s the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.
     
    True. But that tendency has always been there. Men have a longer commitment horizon, so in our promiscuous culture more of them tend to put off commitment if there is alternative sex available, until they start thinking about family life on their own timeline which generally would be >30.

    But what's different now is actually how many women at 20-25, in some cases even 27 or 28 really are not that interested in marriage, but want to "get their career established", go to concerts, eat out, travel, and "enjoy life" ... while having "boyfriends".

    Basically a lot of young women while nominally interest in marriage "sometime" are not actually that interested in giving a particular young man--their husband!--the best "ripest" years of their sexual fertility/sexual appeal.

    If an attractive quality young woman of 25 wants to get married she can do it. She may not be able to convince a particular 25 year old young man she has her eye on to marry her, if his head really hasn't come around yet... because that's where our culture is at. But she can then easily turn the head of say a 30 year old young man who is starting to think ... hey it would be nice to settle down, come home to a wife, have some kids and build a real family life like we had growing up.

    If you want to have sex with a woman who is probably a virgin and committed to you in your twenties, the solution is the same as it always was – marry one by about age 21 or so.
     

    Agreed. And this is the advice i've given my son. Get your feet wet in engineering for a couple/three years, then go back to grad school and in the process find a quality younger women, a virgin, just graduating who is firmly committed to being a wife and mother. Best sexual bonding, least chance of being divorce raped.
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  218. @Dave Pinsen
    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don't get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.

    Historically, sports were a substitute for warfare among men and served as a safety valve to release pent up aggression. Problem is, at their worst, sports appeals to the least common denominator and can lead one away from higher virtues of faith and work. Mindless sports which saps ones energy and makes one a couch potato.

    In ancient times sports were part of the bread and circus which the state would ramp up whenever the masses got too unruly.

    Sometime the results ended badly. From the 6th century rioting after a chariot race to riots breaking out after soccer matches, modern sports are not designed for the right side of the Bell Curve but for the dumbed down mindless masses.

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    As John Derbyshire informed us recently, there were riots about opera in the past too.

    As for sports and the bell curve, I dunno. There are lots of high-IQ stats geeks who are sports fans, our host included.
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  219. AM says:
    @Anonymous

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don’t really know what we’re doing.
     
    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.

    Actually, we know quite a bit. We don't necessarily know what the ultimate way to go about it is, and we differ on acceptable methods, techniques and practices for entirely understandable reasons.

    But we do know that the union of a 75 IQ male and a 75 IQ female, providing that neither's room temperature IQ is a result of brain damage or something similar, will mostly produce 75 IQ kids-who will not be capable of holding a job in anything over a subsistence farming agricultural society.

    We know that the kind of inbreeding practiced by Middle Eastern societies like Pakistan results in a shitty society where the rule of law is unthinkable.

    And we know that breeding for IQ and nothing but IQ produces a bunch of ugly, neurotic people who start thinking they are a chosen race and don't give a fuck about anyone else.

    How we should respond to this knowledge is open for debate, but choosing not to respond is no longer an acceptable option. I don't have all the answers. I don't think anyone else does either. But I think the American eugenists of the 1920s might have been basically decent responsible people and we should honor instead of lambast and denigrate their memory. Sterilizing willful serious criminals and degenerates by mandate and encouraging noncriminal but stupid people to voluntarily not breed with rewards for being fixed seems ok to me.

    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.

    People and their potential aren’t dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we’ve said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.

    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we’re playing with. Yeah, yipe out all the dumb people like we’re farm animals. I don’t think solves anything and may open pandora’s boxes we weren’t expecting. Immoral actions are like that.

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    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we’re playing with.
     
    That's my feeling, we're nowhere near being able to pull it off. I think maybe we could try a mild program of encouraging the very low IQ to have somewhat fewer children and the above average to have somewhat more.
    , @Anonymous

    People and their potential aren’t dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we’ve said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.
     
    I'm not suggesting 'reducing us (humans) to livestock' at all. We have certain things in common with and certain differences from other mammals, just as the different races of humans have a lot of things all in common and a few other things different from each other.

    But we have what in the Book of Genesis is called "the knowledge of good and evil"-that is to say, we are moral actors. And we have the cognitive power to know that certain things have certain consequences. That's what HBD denial tries to escape from-it refuses to accept that we know how certain situations are going to work out.

    We know that if Laqueefisha and Shitavious are left alone, they will do what a million years of instinct have selected them to do, and Laqueefisha will give birth to a child thereafter. Since mom and dad , as adults, have the IQ of a precocious white second or third grader, and the same level of judgment, but working genitals and in the case of Shitavious the muscles and brawn of an exceptional white man (if he isn't hugely fat, he's likely to be a very fast and strong young man) we know this doesn't bode well. Both of them had miserable childhoods, and their kid will as well.

    We can evade that knowledge or we can be the adults in a world of children. I disagreed with William Pierce on a number of things, but that was a running theme in National Alliance thinking-"We are the adults in a world of children". He was right, we need to be the adults, those of us who see.

    Responsibility to the responsible.

    The alternative is to build oneself a fantasy camp like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory and hope it survives until we die, at which time it will be bulldozed for tenements and are lives will be as nothing.

    By the same token, no, we are not like animals, in the sense that we have a sense of life and death, a consciousness, a knowledge we will die, a language and a religion and hopes and dreams, realistic or not.

    That's why I do not advocate and will never participate in death camps, slaughter, ethnic cleansing, that sort of thing. Even abortion is unnecessary and need have no part in this. We can limit action to voluntary measures for people who have done nothing criminal.
    , @dr kill
    A bit of peaceful feed lot now and then sounds wonderful.
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  220. Jack D says:
    @ben tillman

    Consider how many American Jews are all for Islamic immigration, like the US has magic soil that neuters 1400 years of violence, that doesn’t work either.
     
    Your history is incomplete. The "Golden Age" of Jewish history was their time in Muslim Iberia.

    Not really. Jews, like Christians, were 2nd class citizens at best. And at worst, they were not tolerated at all.

    The classic pattern of Islamic rule (up until the present day) is that hard men from the desert who are religious fanatics to boot sweep in and take over.

    After a couple of generations , they get citified and get notions of things like tolerance and art and music in their head. At this point things can be almost decent for non-Muslims living in their midst.

    The another group of hard men from the desert who are religious fanatics to boot sweep in and take over…. Things not so good – ask the Yazidis of Iraq.

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  221. Thea says:
    @Desiderius
    No, I think the whole rape culture hysteria was about blacks having sex with white women in the first place. They just couldn't (of course) admit it. Same reason they're so gung ho on abortion - it controls black population without having to admit they're controlling black population. Likewise with importing Hispanics to get blacks out of the cities (and Section 8).

    Most SJW causes are plausibly deniable cover for regressive goals.

    I think it more about jealousy & bitterness at being rejected by Chads. Based personal discussions with feminists in the early 90s that was my conclusion. Alpha widowhood.

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  222. AM says:
    @nebulafox
    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn't likely going to happen, and that's what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam. But I do think, fundamentally speaking, Islamism can only be combated by a similar ideal that speaks to the soul, to emotion.

    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means, as it spoke to the brain. The Eastern Bloc collapsed not least because people wanted to be *like* the West, to own nice economic products, to be able to eat better, to have personal liberties, and the people of the Eastern Bloc had been very aware for some time-and we made every effort to remind them of it-how much wealthier and comfortable the West was. Very different dynamic with Islamism. Attempting to fight it like we did Communism, as both Bush II and Obama tried, arguably inflames it. Leftists throughout history have often been quite inept in dealing with the emotional needs of human beings, something their enemies have often exploited-probably one of the reasons Islamism won out over pan-Arab Ba'athism in the long run. Another thing often noticed is that jihadists in places like Cairo or Jakarta are usually underemployed engineers, not slum dwellers-so to think that education necessarily will turn young men away from Islamism is an error.

    >It’s hard to be great when you’re thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups.

    I dunno. Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn't prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield. But granted, I think most of them would also be taken aback at the whole campy/effeminate, hedonistic trend in modern gay culture. Frederick prided himself on being the First Servant of the State, not the First Slave of...

    Turning back the clock before 1789 isn’t likely going to happen, and that’s what it would take for Catholicism to fully revive to a pseudo-programmatic religion that even approaches Islam.

    This isn’t about turning back the clock. It’s about absorbing the impacts of the Enlightenment and discarding most of them as the failed ideas that they are. We’re here in Enlightenment’s utopia. How does it feel? How are the French coping? The English? The US? Europe? Living the dream, right?

    We can look back at communism as an abject failure. My thought is once we live the dream for a while, the Enlightenment gets looked at as perhaps a few good ideas but mostly a self-centered tantrum of a philosophy that produces nothing but misery when lived fully.

    I was an agnostic, totally on board with Enlightenment philosophy until the misery overtook me. Then I rebuilt the traditional Catholic viewpoint brick by brick for myself and discovered truth in it’s characterizations of human nature and society.

    Marxism, being in its own way very much a product of the Western Enlightenment (Hegel, German Idealism, etc), could be combated quite effectively with materialistic means,

    You can occasionally fight fire with fire. Most fire fighting is done with water. I have no evidence that materialism can effectively combat Marxism. In fact, in my observation the opposite is true. The only people who appear to be effective in fighting the 21st century (ie, not mostly complaining but doing) believe in the supernatural in some form. Atheists, feminists (almost any ist, really) have next to no children. Religious belief encourages stable families and children. Materialism encourages more materialism.

    Emperor Trajan, Richard the Lionheart, Frederick the Great, Eugene of Savoy, Leonardo Da Vinci, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Alan Turing seemed to find the time to be pretty damn great. Being homosexual didn’t prevent the first four from slaughtering a lot of enemies in a quite ruthless, brilliant fashion on the battlefield.

    These are cherry picked examples here, some of which frankly I suspect are simply homosexual propaganda on the point. Most great leaders seem to have an oversized sex drive to accompany them, but it’s almost always involving women, even if it extends to men occasionally. Their experiences are not normal at rate, if true and are more the exception than norm.

    My point was that if a critical mass of society becomes promiscuous, it can no longer pay attention or have time for those activities that made it great in the first place. Open homosexuality is only a symptom of the underlying problem.

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  223. AM says:
    @StillCARealist
    be careful. he just might be hollow.

    He's cute and all, but really I think he loves being in the spotlight and found that being outrageous could get him there.

    be careful. he just might be hollow.

    Certainly possible as well. It’s difficult to tell from a distance.

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  224. AM says:
    @NickG

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back
     
    Collectively the French lost their 'mojo' 101 years ago in the meat-grinder of Verdun, without much sign of it returning since.

    What basis do you have for not attributing this alleged impending return of 'mojo' to anything other than wishful thinking?

    Collectively the French lost their ‘mojo’ 101 years ago in the meat-grinder of Verdun, without much sign of it returning since.

    What basis do you have for not attributing this alleged impending return of ‘mojo’ to anything other than wishful thinking?

    I know more French history than you. ;) The French lost their mojo exactly at the French revolution. The GDP took a nose dive at that moment that would not return for at least 50-60 years and it may have been longer, despite the beginnings of the industrial revolution. The French killed off quite a bit of their own intellectual classes in one mad moment that totally destabilized their naturally and beautiful authoritarian society.

    All colonization came to a screeching halt. In trying to find their way again, they ended up with Napoleon, who would sacrifice another generation of the finest Frenchmen on pointless wars. Next came WWI and other another round and by the time WWII came around, some of the finest soldiers on the planet were working with their 6th string contenders.

    Yes, there were some good things in that era, too especially in the French middle classes The French don’t get quite enough credit for being tinkerers and inventors in their own right.

    However, is not to overstate the point that France, at her best, most stable, most powerful was an untroubled, faithful daughter of the Church. It’s been long, sad, slow slide since 1789, with Verdun being another low point.

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  225. @Thea
    Young women never falsely accuse men, women get into abusive relationships against their will and need outside help to escape, we live in a culture that teaches young men rape is ok, there is an epidemic 20% of all college women will be raped...


    There were instructions to intervene if you witness a young couple arguing in public.

    … there is an epidemic 20% of all college women will be raped…

    The lie was It used to be 25% back in the early nineties. Progress, people!

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  226. @Whiskey
    There is no, I repeat NO length White women will not go to excuse away the assaults, rapes, and murders of either Muslim or Ghetto hood men. IF every Black guy was as nerdy in reality as the character Urkel, that would be a different matter. White women would be leading the Klan. But instead its White men who are in reality, that nerdy. To their detriment. And so they are punished; as scapegoats.

    SOMEONE has to be at fault. And it certainly won't be Ghetto Black men admitted as "afleets" who can hardly read (like that UCLA football player who graduated illiterate and later sued the university). Nope, it will be some nerd making a dongle joke in front of a SJW women with at best a 7 rating in the looks suspecting accurately that the nerd does not regard her as a sex goddess but someone nearly equal to HIM on the attractiveness ranks; or even worse asking her out for coffee in an elevator. Now THAT's rape!

    Women make excuse after excuse after excuse for violent dominant men no matter how much the abuse because the violent dominance excites them. And nerdy intelligence repels them. Its that simple -- there is no end of ways that the average White women is the complete and total enemy eternally of the average White man given how devalued and useless male providership has bcome; and how the pill, condom, and anonymous urban living have eliminated any limits on expressing female sexuality.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don't see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

    I don’t know about that. Black men are usually mamma’s boys, and nobody is babied more or has more excuses made for them, including babies.

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  227. dr kill says:
    @Whiskey
    There is no, I repeat NO length White women will not go to excuse away the assaults, rapes, and murders of either Muslim or Ghetto hood men. IF every Black guy was as nerdy in reality as the character Urkel, that would be a different matter. White women would be leading the Klan. But instead its White men who are in reality, that nerdy. To their detriment. And so they are punished; as scapegoats.

    SOMEONE has to be at fault. And it certainly won't be Ghetto Black men admitted as "afleets" who can hardly read (like that UCLA football player who graduated illiterate and later sued the university). Nope, it will be some nerd making a dongle joke in front of a SJW women with at best a 7 rating in the looks suspecting accurately that the nerd does not regard her as a sex goddess but someone nearly equal to HIM on the attractiveness ranks; or even worse asking her out for coffee in an elevator. Now THAT's rape!

    Women make excuse after excuse after excuse for violent dominant men no matter how much the abuse because the violent dominance excites them. And nerdy intelligence repels them. Its that simple -- there is no end of ways that the average White women is the complete and total enemy eternally of the average White man given how devalued and useless male providership has bcome; and how the pill, condom, and anonymous urban living have eliminated any limits on expressing female sexuality.

    This will never change, unless every White man becomes even more violent and socially dominating. And I don't see most White men joining the Diablos or Hells Angels anytime soon.

    Women long to be clubbed over the head by Fabio and dragged back to the cave.

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  228. Bill B. says:
    @Albus_Scirocco
    The lack of white rapists relative to black rapists clearly indicates we need to loosen the definition of rape until such time as they are proportional, because #equality.

    The lack of white rapists relative to black rapists clearly indicates we need to loosen the definition of rape until such time as they are proportional, because #equality.

    The Guardian surpassed itself with this news story that (essentially) white people in the UK are not committing enough crime and therefore blacks etc. should be given free crime passes.

    A superb piece of mendacity boosted by an anti-white politician.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/mar/20/race.justice

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  229. Jack D says:
    @3g4me
    @127 Simple Song: "Did you really just draw an equivalency between reading a book and watching sportsball? I mean hey, what’s the difference between cocoa puffs and filet mignon, it’s all just food amirite? I also don’t see what the difference is between the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and gay porno, they’re both just pictures of emotional naked dudes."

    Excellent comment overall and lots of upvotes sent your way. I learn a great deal from my reading and debating online. Ultimately one must utilize that in the real world, but it is in no way comparable to the passive act of sitting and virtually watching someone else do something. Even if it is only to make pointed comments (I'm not yet ready to be arrested by the thought police so I limit myself to carefully worded but crystal clear remarks to others in the real world) it does bear fruit. Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans. When he asked me to repeat myself I did so, still in a calm but definitive voice. He had no response and the Hindu and others in earshot knew precisely what I meant.

    Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans.

    I’m sorry, that’s just wrong. First of all, it was none of your business. Messing in other people’s business is a good way to get hurt.

    2nd, imagine that your mother has retired to Mexico (something like 1 million Americans live in Mexico) and one Mexican man suggested to another that he save his courtesy for his fellow Mexicans. Courtesy to guests (even if you don’t particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don’t like the guests. Leave rudeness to the Left.

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    Courtesy to guests (even if you don’t particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don’t like the guests.
     
    Guests leave. Guests also comport to the ways of the host's household. Don't conflate them with colonising invaders.

    What's more, abetting invaders most certainly makes one's actions every one else's business, as surely as a man giving a lift to someone burgling my home has just made his charity my business.

    , @Thea
    Indo European hospitality (*ghosti-) is reciprocal. There are requirements for guest & host. Hindus, part of the ie religious & linguistic tradition, should understand that fleecing us will have consequences.
    , @3g4me
    @229 Jack D: " Messing in other people’s business is a good way to get hurt."

    Pot, meet kettle. News at 11.

    "Courtesy to guests (even if you don’t particularly like them) is a basic human value . . ."

    Absolutely. That's why orthodox Jews in Israel throw stones at Christian tourists they consider insufficiently modest. And why Jews in New York rioted in 1907 and demanded that all mentions of Jesus and Christmas be removed from all school textbooks and songs. Because they were such exemplary guests towards their hosts.
    , @Anon
    Agreed. It's ridiculous to hold individuals (about whom you know roughly nothing) responsible for macro-policy. The people who own our government, MSM etc are the ones responsible. You might flee poverty and third-world cesspools too, if it were you.
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  230. Lurker says:
    @Randal

    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists
     
    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.

    Yes, we could drop them into the sea at Liverpool. “America is that way!”

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  231. Lurker says:
    @AM

    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.
     
    People and their potential aren't dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we've said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.

    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we're playing with. Yeah, yipe out all the dumb people like we're farm animals. I don't think solves anything and may open pandora's boxes we weren't expecting. Immoral actions are like that.

    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we’re playing with.

    That’s my feeling, we’re nowhere near being able to pull it off. I think maybe we could try a mild program of encouraging the very low IQ to have somewhat fewer children and the above average to have somewhat more.

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  232. Lurker says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Rape is essentially a black crime. It is definitely not a crime committed by elderly Asian women. It is a crime - like murder, burglary and armed robbery - closely associated with young black males. Everyone knows this. Why must I have to point out the obvious?

    Gang rape even more so.

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  233. @Dave Pinsen
    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don't get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.

    I’d like to see you better distinguish between playing sports and spectating them, and even then between involvement in supporting local or community contests versus spectating mass commercial ones. You may have good arguments in favor of any or all of these, but it would serve the discussion if you were more precise.

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    You can make similar arguments about reading a great novel, versus writing one yourself, or reading a novel written by someone in your local community. You can do all of the above if you want, but who argues against the first one, even though great novels are often commercial successes as well?

    It just seems weird to argue that playing tennis, for example, is good, as is watching your neighbors play tennis, but watching the U.S. Open is terrible for some reason, because it's a "mass commercial" enterprise.
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  234. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sounds like Chrissie has been reading the Koran. If the bikers get a pass, then the athletes get a pass too. "She asked for it" isn't a good excuse in court.

    Between Hynde's "I deserved it cause I asked for it", & Sean Connery's thing that women's deserve to be hit when they get too hysterical, makes you wonder if 7th century Islamic views about women have devotees in most unusual places.

    Who exactly does NOT get a pass? Which cohort of adult men can't pull
    the "she asked for it"?

    Augustus Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, maybe?

    She never said she deserved what happened, only that her bad judgment made it probable. And it did.

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    And she goes on to state that women who dress provocatively and drink to drunkenness deserve what they get, which is an end round way of saying she got what she deserved.
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  235. @Jack D

    Just the other day I suggested that the American man behind me in line at the grocery store save his courtesy (he allowed a young Hindu woman to cut in front of him in line) for his fellow Americans.
     
    I'm sorry, that's just wrong. First of all, it was none of your business. Messing in other people's business is a good way to get hurt.

    2nd, imagine that your mother has retired to Mexico (something like 1 million Americans live in Mexico) and one Mexican man suggested to another that he save his courtesy for his fellow Mexicans. Courtesy to guests (even if you don't particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don't like the guests. Leave rudeness to the Left.

    Courtesy to guests (even if you don’t particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don’t like the guests.

    Guests leave. Guests also comport to the ways of the host’s household. Don’t conflate them with colonising invaders.

    What’s more, abetting invaders most certainly makes one’s actions every one else’s business, as surely as a man giving a lift to someone burgling my home has just made his charity my business.

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    I found Jack D's post very persuasive, until I read yours.
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  237. @guest
    Which is characterized as white society not giving a crap about blacks, but could just as easily be blacks not caring enough about blacks. "Snitches get stitches," and all that.

    They always complain when the murder of one pretty white girl in the Caribbean or wherever is a national news story. What about hundreds blacks dying in big American cities? Well, you don't want the public Noticing all the black-on-black murder, last time I checked.

    If people really cared, commensurate with the problem, they'd declare martial law, roll the tanks in, physically destroy your dysfunctional and discivilizational neighborhoods, and redistribute you among the white population. (So you can cry amongst the cornfields?).

    I think the redistribution part is already the plan, and may be taking place as we speak.

    The redistribution plan is totally racist in my opinion. what it implies is that these welfare blacks need to be interspersed with white people in order to improve their behavior. Being in black communities holds them back and they just become more of what their non-functional surroundings demonstrate.

    It screams out, “hey blacks! Act more like whites!”

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  238. @Wally
    How to break up a 'Black Lives Matter' protest:

    https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/how-to-break-up-blacklivesmatter-protest.jpg

    A stack of job applications works well too, I’m told.

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  239. @Autochthon

    Courtesy to guests (even if you don’t particularly like them) is a basic human value which is worthy of praise even if you don’t like the guests.
     
    Guests leave. Guests also comport to the ways of the host's household. Don't conflate them with colonising invaders.

    What's more, abetting invaders most certainly makes one's actions every one else's business, as surely as a man giving a lift to someone burgling my home has just made his charity my business.

    I found Jack D’s post very persuasive, until I read yours.

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  240. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Opinionator
    I'd like to see you better distinguish between playing sports and spectating them, and even then between involvement in supporting local or community contests versus spectating mass commercial ones. You may have good arguments in favor of any or all of these, but it would serve the discussion if you were more precise.

    You can make similar arguments about reading a great novel, versus writing one yourself, or reading a novel written by someone in your local community. You can do all of the above if you want, but who argues against the first one, even though great novels are often commercial successes as well?

    It just seems weird to argue that playing tennis, for example, is good, as is watching your neighbors play tennis, but watching the U.S. Open is terrible for some reason, because it’s a “mass commercial” enterprise.

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  241. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Historically, sports were a substitute for warfare among men and served as a safety valve to release pent up aggression. Problem is, at their worst, sports appeals to the least common denominator and can lead one away from higher virtues of faith and work. Mindless sports which saps ones energy and makes one a couch potato.

    In ancient times sports were part of the bread and circus which the state would ramp up whenever the masses got too unruly.

    Sometime the results ended badly. From the 6th century rioting after a chariot race to riots breaking out after soccer matches, modern sports are not designed for the right side of the Bell Curve but for the dumbed down mindless masses.

    As John Derbyshire informed us recently, there were riots about opera in the past too.

    As for sports and the bell curve, I dunno. There are lots of high-IQ stats geeks who are sports fans, our host included.

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  242. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.
     
    People and their potential aren't dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we've said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.

    Yes, eugenics well, well above our pay grade. We have no idea what we're playing with. Yeah, yipe out all the dumb people like we're farm animals. I don't think solves anything and may open pandora's boxes we weren't expecting. Immoral actions are like that.

    People and their potential aren’t dogs, cats, cows, and horses. They do not have the same responsibilities in societies and they do not have free will. We steward animals. Our relationship to each other is wildly different, as is our relationship to God.

    To reduce us to livestock is make the point of eugenics moot, because we’ve said as being animals the utopia you imagine existed if we were all smart because human society is nothing more than than peaceful feed lot until we die.

    I’m not suggesting ‘reducing us (humans) to livestock’ at all. We have certain things in common with and certain differences from other mammals, just as the different races of humans have a lot of things all in common and a few other things different from each other.

    But we have what in the Book of Genesis is called “the knowledge of good and evil”-that is to say, we are moral actors. And we have the cognitive power to know that certain things have certain consequences. That’s what HBD denial tries to escape from-it refuses to accept that we know how certain situations are going to work out.

    We know that if Laqueefisha and Shitavious are left alone, they will do what a million years of instinct have selected them to do, and Laqueefisha will give birth to a child thereafter. Since mom and dad , as adults, have the IQ of a precocious white second or third grader, and the same level of judgment, but working genitals and in the case of Shitavious the muscles and brawn of an exceptional white man (if he isn’t hugely fat, he’s likely to be a very fast and strong young man) we know this doesn’t bode well. Both of them had miserable childhoods, and their kid will as well.

    We can evade that knowledge or we can be the adults in a world of children. I disagreed with William Pierce on a number of things, but that was a running theme in National Alliance thinking-”We are the adults in a world of children”. He was right, we need to be the adults, those of us who see.

    Responsibility to the responsible.

    The alternative is to build oneself a fantasy camp like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory and hope it survives until we die, at which time it will be bulldozed for tenements and are lives will be as nothing.

    By the same token, no, we are not like animals, in the sense that we have a sense of life and death, a consciousness, a knowledge we will die, a language and a religion and hopes and dreams, realistic or not.

    That’s why I do not advocate and will never participate in death camps, slaughter, ethnic cleansing, that sort of thing. Even abortion is unnecessary and need have no part in this. We can limit action to voluntary measures for people who have done nothing criminal.

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  243. @guest
    "It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age"

    When has that ever not been the case?

    It helps if he can't have sex with whomever he wants in the meantime. And if you haven't run through a million penises by the time he settles on someone else.

    Uh, just 40 years ago.

    It helps if he can’t have sex with whomever he wants in the meantime.

    That’s probably been a significant causal factor.

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    "Uh, just 40 years ago"

    I think you mean more like 50. In any case, it was still difficult back then.

    For one thing, you had to deny men easy sex outside marriage. Which for attractive men meant enforcing female chastity. Which meant denying female choice. Which required an elaborate social structure built up over centuries.

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  244. @Cagey Beast
    I was reminded of a quote from Golda Meir I don't much like: "peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us". Maybe the NCAA version of that is "a rape free campus will come when the alumni love their daughters more than they hate Florida State"?

    Golda Meir

    “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

    AnotherDad:

    “Immigration sanity will come when American Jews will love their children more than they hate us.”

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    Some seem to think that in disempowering Europeans (drowning them with mass immigration), they are preventing another Holocaust.
    , @Anon
    Then that sanity will never come, for their hatred is down to their very core. Never mind that it was Anglo-American males who saved their sorry asses in the first place. White people must be eliminated.

    Nubile shikses we keep for breeding purposes, for bragging rights, and to make our children less repulsive and our sex more tolerable.
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  245. @AnotherDad
    Golda Meir

    “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
     
    AnotherDad:

    "Immigration sanity will come when American Jews will love their children more than they hate us."
     

    Some seem to think that in disempowering Europeans (drowning them with mass immigration), they are preventing another Holocaust.

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  246. Ivy says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don't get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.

    Sports can help teach fair play and good faith efforts, at least in the English tradition with the Playing Fields of Eton and all that. There is an element of doing the right thing even when no one is looking that supports that ethos, along with pursuing the behavior of a Gentleman. Once such ideals were widely admired and emulated. Now those ideals are too routinely mocked by people who never knew what they didn’t know. Dunning-Kruger takes many forms.

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  247. @Opinionator
    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who–properly signaled by men–can fix it.

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.

    I'd like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.
    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

    Women have created it by being promiscuous. It’s really that simple.

    Yes, men now days are reluctant to marry. Why should they? What’s in it for them?

    But my dad was very eager to marry my mom when he got out of the service at 21. She made him work through a few years of college on the GI bill and but they did marry before he was even out of college.

    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.

    Uh … women can stop being promiscuous. That will pretty much fix it.

    That can happen with a cultural change where they slut shame more. Guys refusing to marry promiscuous women–a trend already happening–and being explicit about it would definitely help. (“Enjoy your cats”.) Offer marriage to younger virginal women instead. Also changes to avoid divorce rape, like a default to shared custody and no child support would help. Women would be more serious about their marriage commitment.

    But obviously these things will only happen–or at least are more likely to happen–when there has been a cultural change and we don’t have a media hostile to traditional sexual restraint and monogamy.

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    Uh … women can stop being promiscuous. That will pretty much fix it.

    Woman are under intense pressure to put out because if they don't men can look to many other options. It may be a collective action problem.

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  248. @Dave Pinsen
    Not all books are filet mignon, but you have a point with respect to active versus passive. Even Cocoa Puffs books demand some work by your imagination.

    I really don't get your contempt for sports though. I think a lot of us would agree that Victorian Britain represented a civilizational peak, and as Steve has noted, the Victorians pretty much invented modern sports. Sports are culture too, and Twitter makes sports and other live TV events more communal.

    OK, point taken, I actually agree with you on this, but modern American sport is waaaaaaaay far away from the Victorian ideal. The idea of keeping your body and mind in shape, bonding with other members of the communty, amateurism, that’s all commendable but we are miles and miles from that. I just reject current sporting culture, it’s a horrible, horrible perversion of a once noble impulse. The ugliest things are perversions of beautiful things, after all.

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  249. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    In spite of her explicit embrace of Catholicism as a cultural identifier, she has also been a firebreathing supporter of traditional French strict secularism in government. She’s even written articles about it in the NYT.
     
    It's a political winner right now. I'd certainly rather see her win in the today, then lose by being the Catholic evangelist she is not. She's a politician.

    But ultimately, in the long term, if the French are going to get their mojo back, they're going to have return to being the daughters of the Catholic Church.

    Tolerance of open homosexuality in any society is a symptom of late stage decay and that underlying society has become promiscuous. It's hard to be great when you're thinking about your groins all the time and/or the results of such uncommitted hook-ups. It turns out that homosexuality is also not so hot for the individual in question either and isn't be encouraged. In a weird backwards way, all those dudes who seemed overly rigid about sex, and homosexual sex in particular, were doing everyone a favor.

    Your last twenty or so words were deliberate funning, right? It’s okay, you can tell me, this is a safe space.

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  250. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    I guess to me, eugenics is way above our pay grade. We don’t really know what we’re doing.
     
    I guess all those dog, cat, cow, and horse breeders getting millions of dollars selling prime breeding stock, stud fees, AI sperm collection and insemination, all that money breeding every animal in livestock and pet use, is all wind and sails.

    Actually, we know quite a bit. We don't necessarily know what the ultimate way to go about it is, and we differ on acceptable methods, techniques and practices for entirely understandable reasons.

    But we do know that the union of a 75 IQ male and a 75 IQ female, providing that neither's room temperature IQ is a result of brain damage or something similar, will mostly produce 75 IQ kids-who will not be capable of holding a job in anything over a subsistence farming agricultural society.

    We know that the kind of inbreeding practiced by Middle Eastern societies like Pakistan results in a shitty society where the rule of law is unthinkable.

    And we know that breeding for IQ and nothing but IQ produces a bunch of ugly, neurotic people who start thinking they are a chosen race and don't give a fuck about anyone else.

    How we should respond to this knowledge is open for debate, but choosing not to respond is no longer an acceptable option. I don't have all the answers. I don't think anyone else does either. But I think the American eugenists of the 1920s might have been basically decent responsible people and we should honor instead of lambast and denigrate their memory. Sterilizing willful serious criminals and degenerates by mandate and encouraging noncriminal but stupid people to voluntarily not breed with rewards for being fixed seems ok to me.

    If you think they’re breeding for IQ, you need to hang out for awhile in places like Monsey, New Square, and Crown Heights.

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  251. @AM

    Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women–and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?
     
    And how many young men would commit to marriage at 19 or 20 today, a fine age historically for such ventures? The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical. It's the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.

    If you want to have sex with a woman who is probably a virgin and committed to you in your twenties, the solution is the same as it always was - marry one by about age 21 or so.

    Yes, I agree women are the gatekeepers, but men have benefited from free milk and the older a woman gets without real prospects, the more pressure she feels to be promiscuous. At some point, someone has to go first in returning to more traditional modes of sexuality.

    And how many young men would commit to marriage at 19 or 20 today, a fine age historically for such ventures? The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical. It’s the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.

    I honestly don’t think most men are really ready for marriage at 19 or 20 today. Men mature more slowly and their life role/marital role is one which actually requires more maturity–more work against their natural interests. It requires them to be a very *steady* provider and to *restrain* their aggression and make considered mature judgments. Women need to be mature but they are hormone aided when it comes to bonding sexually with their husbands (at least if they are virgins going into the relationship) and even more so birthing and nursing their children.

    Having an age spread where a young man is say 25, has calmed a bit and at least got his feet solidly on the first or second rung of his career is an ideal age … to marry a woman who is say 22, has matured out of girlish stupidity and has her eye on building a life a wife and mother, works well.

    The concept that you have to talk women into marriage is comical.

    You’ll note above, I do not say this. Specifically I say the reverse. Women control the “promiscuity market” because there’s essentially (naturally) pretty much infinite male demand for free sex. (If you’ve got a vagina and aren’t physically repulsive there is a penis willing to fill it. In fact even if you are physically repulsive!) But men–to a much lesser extent–control the marriage market, because there is high female demand for men–with decent a income stream–who are willing to let a women share it. Men don’t have the control they used to because more women have jobs, more women are willing to single-mom it if they don’t find what they like, more women are ok being promiscuous and male earnings aren’t what they used to be. But still men–or at least quality marriageable men–are the scarce resource in the marriage market.

    It’s the men, generally speaking, who have dragged themselves around to the concept of marriage by 30 or so.

    True. But that tendency has always been there. Men have a longer commitment horizon, so in our promiscuous culture more of them tend to put off commitment if there is alternative sex available, until they start thinking about family life on their own timeline which generally would be >30.

    But what’s different now is actually how many women at 20-25, in some cases even 27 or 28 really are not that interested in marriage, but want to “get their career established”, go to concerts, eat out, travel, and “enjoy life” … while having “boyfriends”.

    Basically a lot of young women while nominally interest in marriage “sometime” are not actually that interested in giving a particular young man–their husband!–the best “ripest” years of their sexual fertility/sexual appeal.

    If an attractive quality young woman of 25 wants to get married she can do it. She may not be able to convince a particular 25 year old young man she has her eye on to marry her, if his head really hasn’t come around yet… because that’s where our culture is at. But she can then easily turn the head of say a 30 year old young man who is starting to think … hey it would be nice to settle down, come home to a wife, have some kids and build a real family life like we had growing up.

    If you want to have sex with a woman who is probably a virgin and committed to you in your twenties, the solution is the same as it always was – marry one by about age 21 or so.

    Agreed. And this is the advice i’ve given my son. Get your feet wet in engineering for a couple/three years, then go back to grad school and in the process find a quality younger women, a virgin, just graduating who is firmly committed to being a wife and mother. Best sexual bonding, least chance of being divorce raped.

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  252. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The fact that so many of you are still banging on about DEMSRDAREELRAYCISTS and trying to argue with schizophrenics using "muh lawgic" shows that

    1) Most people around here have learned anything from the last few years.

    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.

    Anglin is right in that Rules for Radicals is as good for the goose as it is for the gander. Also, mockery is how you short circuit this nonsense, not high minded appeals that sound good to those on the spectrum but don't work with insane fanatics.

    Some of you still dont get the nature of the beast here.

    2) Most of you should stay far away from political strategizing.

    Physician, heal thyself.

    You have heard that there’s been a slew of GOP retirements, either announced or upcoming. I might have agreed with you 3 months ago, but now it looks like rats are leaving the sinking ship.

    And who can blame them really? If it wasn’t as frustrating, I’d be laughing at you bitching at how much your adversaries want to do you in, at the same time doing your level best to piss off the people who are in a position to prevent it. As it is, all I can say is it’s well past time to get off the train for Team Trump and on the train for Team America.

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    You, the guy who spent every day telling us how Trump would lose in a 50 state blowout, should sit this one out.
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  253. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Forbes
    Dad's influence on his little princess ends at about age 13. The public schools indoctrinate young minds with Gender/Racial/Ethnic Equality! Celebrate Diversity! Champion Multiculturalism! Intersectional Inclusion! and all of princess' peers jump on the bandwagon. Home schooling seems the only escape.

    Of course the problem starts with Dad creating the little princess in the first palce--treating her as a little pricess, telling her his little princess can do no wrong, and inculcating her belief that every man wants to treat her as a princess and put her on a pedestal.

    At the end of the day, it seems to come down to Daddy issues--too much princess and the pedestal--or an absent father. A happy medium would be good.

    The influence of schools (and indeed parents) is trivial in relation to that of the MSM.

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  254. guest says:
    @ScarletNumber
    I have never ordered a stripper in my life.

    Well, I guess that settles that. If you don’t do it, obviously everyone who does deserves whatever happens to them.

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    I didn't say they deserved it. I said I didn't feel bad for them.
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  255. @AnotherDad

    How have women created it? It is very difficult to get a man to commit at a relatively young age.
    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.
     
    Women have created it by being promiscuous. It's really that simple.

    Yes, men now days are reluctant to marry. Why should they? What's in it for them?

    But my dad was very eager to marry my mom when he got out of the service at 21. She made him work through a few years of college on the GI bill and but they did marry before he was even out of college.

    I’d like to hear your proposals for how it may be fixed.
     
    Uh ... women can stop being promiscuous. That will pretty much fix it.

    That can happen with a cultural change where they slut shame more. Guys refusing to marry promiscuous women--a trend already happening--and being explicit about it would definitely help. ("Enjoy your cats".) Offer marriage to younger virginal women instead. Also changes to avoid divorce rape, like a default to shared custody and no child support would help. Women would be more serious about their marriage commitment.

    But obviously these things will only happen--or at least are more likely to happen--when there has been a cultural change and we don't have a media hostile to traditional sexual restraint and monogamy.

    Uh … women can stop being promiscuous. That will pretty much fix it.

    Woman are under intense pressure to put out because if they don’t men can look to many other options. It may be a collective action problem.

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    Chads can look to many other options. "Men" at large have no such recourse.
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  256. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alec Leamas

    There are aspects of Sharia that really make intuitive sense. The laws surrounding rape for example. Rape is proved if male relatives can vouch for it, I think 4. Since a single women should not be out and about on her own with unrelated men it’s nearly impossible for a rape as defined by sharia to occur in civil society.
     
    White Sharia!

    But more seriously, it used to be the case that nice girls just didn't do certain things.

    Going to a strange man's hotel room at 1:30 A.M. for a nightcap isn't dispositive proof of consent, but it sure is circumstantial evidence of something close.

    Kim Novak famously tossed a hotel key at Muhammad Ali one night circa 1964. Ali famously tossed it back. “I don’t fool around with no white women”.

    That was how a woman on the prowl did it if she were the affluent, sporting kind. It meant she had the cash for a motel room. She had a change of clothing, several rubbers, a portable douche kit (in case one broke) and probably some kind of weapon in case she’d grossly misjudged her intended suitor.But it was the safest way to have sex with a man not her husband. It was the elaborate version of the Zipless Fuck.

    Miss Novak’s peculiarity for the time and her station was that Ali was black. Ali’s greater peculiarity was rejecting the offer. Kim Novak in 1964 was an A List actress.

    Times have changed.

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  257. Twinkie says:
    @Randal

    If balancing bias were really our goal, we should be producing more Asian male rapists
     
    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.

    I believe we have a number here in the UK we can send to you.

    If you plan on continuing to comment on an American website, it helps to understand our language.

    By “Asian,” we usually mean East Asians here. I would bet that the “Chinese” (for lack of a similar demographic catchall term over there) in the UK commit fewer rapes per capita and are incarcerated at lower rates than whites.

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    Randal, twinkie neglects to disclose that he is asian.
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  258. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox
    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?

    Morbid sarcasm aside, I agree, but as a lot of societal trends (above all elite college admissions) prove, Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite. And the practically venal, too, but that's another story. In a way, they sort of have invisible status for the SJW types, unless they actively take up politics.

    South Asians are also generally a bit of a different matter from East and Southeast Asians. Generally speaking, Pakistani and Indian Americans tend to contribute negligible levels of crime and antisocial behavior in general. But sexual harassment-and much worse-is a *big* issue on the subcontinent in a way that it isn't in, say, China. I've heard of more than one women leaving programming because they couldn't take the behavior of the H1-B visa importees in the office anymore.

    Where is the Imperial Japanese Army when you need them?

    Er, we nuked them out of existence?

    Asians are not generally the Right Kind of Minority to handle the emotional needs of our cultural elite.

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/linsanity-postgame-cold-open/n13399?snl=1

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  259. Twinkie says:
    @theMann
    You hit the nail on the head with your argument, which I can condense down to two sentences:


    Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.

    So, if you do sleep around, take your chances, because morally speaking, you have no ground to stand on.

    Sleeping around is a bad idea for guys, and a catastrophic one for women.

    Very good! Concise, indeed.

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  260. Twinkie says:
    @AnotherDad

    Men and women courted in the old days for a reason. Even if one couldn’t be bothered to wait untill, at least getting to know one’s prospective sexual partner for a while and understanding that person’s character ought to precede, not follow, physically intimate acts.

    You can’t have cake and eat it too. You can just blame women for their sexual promiscuity leading to dangers and also try to exempt men from similar (but somewhat different) risks.
     
    I'm with you morally and socially. I'd love for our culture to get back to the presumption of monogamy. That's how a civilized society operates.

    But ... men and women are different. (Men polygamous, women hypergamous.)

    Men simply do not have control over the "promiscuity market". It's women who create and maintain the mores around dating/sex/hookups. What exactly are men--horny young men--supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say "no" to what's actually on offer--sex with available young women--and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she's finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    Men do have control over the "marriage market" and can say "no" to women who don't offer much--have been promiscuous, don't seem solidly committed to being a wife and mother. More men in fact seem to be doing that--saying "no" to marriage. But even there men are in a bind. There simply aren't enough women whose sexual behavior has been above board and suggests high character, future oriented thinking, likely strong sexual bonding with their husband and commitment to lifelong fidelity. So most men who want a family have to settle. Men are indeed signaling in the marriage market that the available women aren't very compelling. But it's pushing on a string.

    It is women who have created the promiscuity culture we have. And women who--properly signaled by men--can fix it. Having men forgo the one benefit available to them in it--sex--seems a stretch. And creating a culture of promiscuity, then trashing men's educations and careers simply for being promiscuous is in fact unjust.

    What exactly are men–horny young men–supposed to do in the actual sexual environment that exists? Say “no” to what’s actually on offer–sex with available young women

    Yes, that’s right. Sexual appetite is like any other appetite. Have some self-control and don’t be gluttonous.

    and wait around for the non-existent virgin woman who decides she’s finally ready for marriage at 29.9?

    That would be nice, but there are less drastic options such as getting to know a young woman by befriending her, spending time with her, and getting to know her as a human being BEFORE initiating sexual intimacy. This young woman need not be a “virgin,” merely someone one ascertains through the friendship to be a good, emotionally stable person.

    Just because there is a buffet (of