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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

The conventional wisdom on immigration is rapidly hardening into an ideology of extremist open-borders lunacy, with the Statue of Liberty obsessively invoked to prove that America was founded upon the principle of Muslim mass migration.

Evidently, the arc of the moral universe bends toward submission.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Top contenders for the neo-god to submit to.

    Sharia
    Jewria
    Whoria
    Gayria
    Brahmia
    Afria

    pros and cons

    1. Sharia

    Pros: Lots of Muslims in the world. Fastest growing faith. Militant. Passionate. Confident.

    Cons. Too much diversity of race and sects has Muslims killing Muslims. Cousin marriage and genetic problems. Aesthetically atrocious in clothing and style.

    2. Jewria

    Pros: High IQ. Holocaust Cult in the West. Control of elite institutions. Unlimited Cash. High verbal ability. Israel as regional superpower. Media control.

    Cons: Low birthrate among secular Jews and too much mixing. Rise of BDS and resentment of Jewish success or power. Jews increasingly seen as ‘white’. Jewish anti-white-ism boomeranging on Jews. Small minority.

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    3. Whoria

    Pros: High market value in pop culture.

    Cons: No matter how high the price, meat on the auction bloc.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    5. Brahmia.

    Pros: India to surpass China in population. Increasing emigration. Lots of talent and endless cheap labor in India. Good with English and Anglo culture.

    Cons: Messy, disoriented, and mostly unpleasant to outsiders with all that Babu antics.

    6. Afria

    Pros: Cool factor and badass factor due to music and sports. Jungle fever among the ho’s. White cuck males worshiping Negroes. MLK and Mandela myths. Super-high-birthrates in Africa.

    Cons: Stupid, childish, destructive, dangerous, obnoxious, hollerish, and insane.

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    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

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    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @bomag
    That was good.

    I've been thinking that once all the White privilege has been checked, it has to be given to somebody; namely one of the neo-gods you've delineated.
    , @Bill B.

    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.
     
    But they ain't got the IQ across the board like the Chinese.

    I heard John Mearsheimer do one of his big realpolitik presentations where he waved away India's importance as nugatory because of the "human capital" problem. No one argued with him.

    But sure Indians are quite good at elbowing themselves to the front of a crowd of Westerners.
    , @Dissident

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.
     
    Only Jews who reject or completely pervert Judaism. (Alas, such individuals now make-up the majority of those ethnically or genetically Jewish.) You may not like (even authentic) Judaism but at least be accurate and honest enough not to confuse or conflate it with Cultural Marxism/SJW-ism. Judaism, as anyone at all actually familiar with it would know, is quite unequivocal and unambiguous in condemning homosexual behavior.


    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.
     
    Oh, it's much more than that.

    First, the hideous reality of male homosexual buggery (i.e., anal penetration) alone is that it is an inordinately disease-promoting, gruesome and brutal* pseudo sex act. Defiant indulgence in this anatomically and physiologically unsound, inherently unhygienic but completely voluntary* behavior continues to come at a heavy a price in already-strained public health resources, to say nothing of human lives. And since these are communicable diseases we are dealing with, their proliferation places everyone at some degree of risk (health care workers and blood transfusion recipients would seem the most obvious but even anyone who merely spends any time in a hospital, for example, is subject to some degree of risk as well).

    *Graphic content

    That would be more than bad enough. The perniciousness, often quite insidious, of the "LGBTQ" lobby and its agenda, however, does not end with the mere sanction, promotion and subsidization of buggery alone but goes much farther. Nor even does it end with transmania, as utterly insane and truly corrosive and dangerous that is. (So much so that it has gone too far even for a number of "respectables" who have been fully-on board for the rest of the "LGBT", or at least "LGB", agenda.)

    Obviously, this thread is not the place to elaborate much further. Its title, however, does provide a segue to mention what is perhaps the least recognized (or, at any rate, least acknowledged) area in which "LGBTQ" indoctrination-- specifically, the incredible success it has had in normalizing anal buggery-- has contributed to societal dissolution. This is the increased incidence of this vile practice among heterosexuals. Females have faced increased pressure from their male partners to submit to this dangerous, painful and humiliating act. Can anyone doubt the convenient expedience in persuading their invariably (instinctively) reluctant female partners (or, perhaps more accurately, toys) that resorting to the "homophobia" card has provided for these young, porn-fueled males? ("What's the matter, Suzy, you're not homophobic [sic] now, are you?" "Millions of 'gays' can't be wrong...") That's a real war on women-- and girls. But don't expect to see much indignation about it from the likes of the "pussy"-hatted marchers.

    (As a currently popular to transgress taboo among youth, buggery, particularly of the heterosexual variety, is said to have taken the place that fellatio previously held. The taboo and stigma of the latter no doubt having been considerably lessened during Bill Clinton's Presidency, as a direct result of the Lewinsky scandal and the lurid headlines it generated.)
    , @Seneca
    You forgot

    7. Chinia

    Pros. World's second largest population second only to India, but much much better educated and organized. Hard working and family centric (family is everything!) culture. Very nationalistic. Like Japan do not accept immigrants. Young people are on average both very patriotic and respectful to their elders (they always take China's side in an argument with a foreigner). Young people are technically very savvy and although of heretofore modest creativity, are making very significant embellishments of and improvements on some Western technology. Oh yeah, China is also the fastest growing economy in the world for the past several decades. Huge consumer market. Largest number of world's billionaire. Also has Diaspora communities all over the world.

    Cons: While most Chinese are honest and hard working and kind, a significant number are greedy, corrupt and dishonest (disproportionate IMO relative to Japan and Western historically Christian oriented countries including the USA ). This leads to a low trust environment. Respect for intellectual property is very low. Not sure of the origin of these problems. Hangover from the materialism of Marxism? Lack of a Christian ethos? On the other hand, the elites in China still look out for their own people unlike most of the elites in the USA or other European countries . And the Chinese government is making efforts to promote creativity, but it still has a way to go because of long Confucianism tradition.

    Please read Ron Unz's very interesting article on Chinese test taking culture culture which also discusses the fact that the Chinese elites are loyal to the Chinese people unlike the elites in other countries (if you can find it because it does not seem to be in his archive on this site).

    I am a Westerner who currently live in China and agree with most of the points he raises in the article.

    BTW, IMO no way the Brahmans beat the Chinese. The Brahmans are too disorganized compared with the Chinese (and that is saying something!), despite some of the Brahmans' innate advantages (probably higher on average verbal prowess and aggressiveness for instance).
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  2. Great essay, Steve. You definitely have some interesting relations.

    I recently re-watched The Usual Suspects. Quiz time for iStevers who’ve seen the movie and haven’t read the essay: Steve Sailer or ‘Verbal’ Kint?

    I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

    Blond Russian girlfriends were an exotic innovation in American life when my lonely widower father-in-law brought one back from a trip to Leningrad in 1991 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat.

    My wife’s uncle, a U.S. Air Force colonel with a Ph.D. in metallurgy, would occasionally go spying in East Berlin and meet up with Soviet Jewish aerospace experts. He’d get the word through the grapevine that a future émigré would be sitting in a parked car on a certain East Berlin backstreet on a certain evening.

    It didn’t make sense that I’d be there. I mean, these guys were hard-core hijackers, but there I was. At that point I wasn’t scared, I knew I hadn’t done anything they could do me for. Besides, it was fun. I got to make like I was notorious.

    In response, my cousin’s boss authored the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to force the Soviets to let Jews and other religious minorities out.

    The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story. Initially, the ex-Soviet arrivals were largely Jewish. But increasingly the Russians are their Slavic distant relatives and neighbors.

    For example, when my nephew stayed with us a few years ago, he played on two soccer teams at the local park. There was a petty gang of Hungarians that wanted their own mob. They realized that to be in power you didn’t need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn’t.

    The other team was made up of tall, blond, blue-eyed Russian speakers. They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    I recall all this history about how the U.S. government has chosen to give immigration privileges to some foreign religious groups and not to others. But many pundits can’t seem to remember much of anything. All that matters to them is knowing who are supposed to be the good guys and who the bad guys.

    What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.

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    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    Great movie...

    The "LOL" button doesn't work for me, so, LOL!
    , @Johan Schmidt
    Nicely done!
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Great movie and funny comment!

    Stephen Baldwin, if you're reading this I thought you did great work in that film!
    , @JohnnyGeo
    brilliant
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  3. Jefferson says:

    An Italian Social Justice Warrior wants Italians to form an alliance with Muslims just like Feminazis have done. And yes he invokes Ellis Island nostalgia.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_588a295fe4b01ea6978989a5

    Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims. As an Italian I feel way more comfortable around WASPs than I ever would around Muslims. I would never want to live in Dearborn or Hamtramck, Michigan.

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    • Replies: @Detective Club
    My two Italian grandfathers emigrated from Italy during the 1904-1908 period. First, they went to Switzerland. When they became unemployed in Switzerland, they went to France. When they became unemployed in France, they went to America. They met each other in the same apartment building in East Harlem (NYC). They found work in the same factory and they would make a home in America because the Standard of Living in the United States was far better than it had been in either Italy, Switzerland or France for them. In 1904-1908 there was no social safety net in the United States - - - a European immigrant was faced with a simple choice : work or starve.

    Times have changed since. A guaranteed welfare check is the current Third-World passport to the "American Dream."

    Vote Democrat and vote often!

    , @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?
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  4. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Great essay, Steve. You definitely have some interesting relations.

    I recently re-watched The Usual Suspects. Quiz time for iStevers who’ve seen the movie and haven’t read the essay: Steve Sailer or ‘Verbal’ Kint?

    I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

    Blond Russian girlfriends were an exotic innovation in American life when my lonely widower father-in-law brought one back from a trip to Leningrad in 1991 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat.

    My wife’s uncle, a U.S. Air Force colonel with a Ph.D. in metallurgy, would occasionally go spying in East Berlin and meet up with Soviet Jewish aerospace experts. He’d get the word through the grapevine that a future émigré would be sitting in a parked car on a certain East Berlin backstreet on a certain evening.

    It didn't make sense that I'd be there. I mean, these guys were hard-core hijackers, but there I was. At that point I wasn't scared, I knew I hadn't done anything they could do me for. Besides, it was fun. I got to make like I was notorious.

    In response, my cousin’s boss authored the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to force the Soviets to let Jews and other religious minorities out.

    The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story. Initially, the ex-Soviet arrivals were largely Jewish. But increasingly the Russians are their Slavic distant relatives and neighbors.

    For example, when my nephew stayed with us a few years ago, he played on two soccer teams at the local park. There was a petty gang of Hungarians that wanted their own mob. They realized that to be in power you didn't need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn't.

    The other team was made up of tall, blond, blue-eyed Russian speakers. They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    I recall all this history about how the U.S. government has chosen to give immigration privileges to some foreign religious groups and not to others. But many pundits can’t seem to remember much of anything. All that matters to them is knowing who are supposed to be the good guys and who the bad guys.

    What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.
     

    Great movie…

    The “LOL” button doesn’t work for me, so, LOL!

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thanks, Cap! Yeah, the movie still holds up.
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  5. eah says:

    Being oblivious to the obvious is clearly a professional advantage in the punditry business. But can American continue to afford its delusional elites?

    No — the margin for error (and ‘carelessness’) is not infinite.

    More ‘fake news’ perhaps (but worth noting nonetheless):

    Chuck Schumer in 2015: Refugee Pause ‘May Be Necessary’

    Nancy Pelosi: Democrats Are “Doing The Lord’s Work”

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  6. eah says:

    RRW — 4 months into FY2017, US admits 32,331 refugees, 206 since Trump order — note the chart showing TX has gotten the 2nd highest number of refugees (behind CA) — I can see why people say they are deliberately trying to turn TX ‘blue’.

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  7. The stupidity of Taki’s reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

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    • Agree: Whoever
    • Replies: @Anon
    Same with zerohedge, each one trying to out cute the last. Unz comments are great, none of that moronic back and forth that hijacks a thread.
    , @Anonymous

    The stupidity of Taki’s reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.
     
    They're hasbara and see to it that they fire off the first comments which will soil the article thus precluding people from posting it to Twitter and Facebook. Taki Mag might want to consider disabling comments for wider dissemination of excellent articles like the one Sailer has.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Taki's comment section is the only one that is more, ah, free wheeling, shall we say, than here. Sometimes they are funny, but more often they are back and forth sniping. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    , @Bill B.
    Yes. It is slightly odd how some comment sections go feral in the blink of an eye but others stay sane. Moderation the key?
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  8. Moshe says:

    Is this the first time Taki didn’t cut you off mid-sentence so as to fool readers into reading those clickbait ads?

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  9. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Trump is the national version of Pete Wilson, the one-time (and last) Republican governor of California.

    Whites in California woke up too late, elected him once, and then the demographic trends finally overwhelmed them. The US is heading in the same direction. California is always the leader in all national trends. Look at the 60s counter-culture, look at Silicon Valley, and the same holds true for politics.

    Life for (R) whites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure. He should never have been elected in normal times, but then again, we don’t live in normal times.

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    • Agree: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @bomag
    California is sustained by "selling" stuff to the rest of the country, so I'm not sure their transformation scales, in that our current demographic shift relies on the care and maintenance of the welfare state; this tapers off pretty fast when you get away from the areas that are able to concentrate wealth via being a coastal/port area.
    , @okie
    Naw i think Arnold is a better analogy
    he was a rep
    he tried to govern as a republican, he went around the legislature with a whole block of state questions. they all failed and and then he spent the remainder of that term and his second term as a celebutante governor, mostly going where the dem leg led.

    Trump is Arnie his in the pre-state question phase, working around the media and the centrists in the legislature to drain a swamp.
    I expect this all to come to a head late next year or early 2018, in order to give up and go to the center as a celeb if it fails, or double down on what he's doing, if it works out.

    , @Jefferson
    "But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure."

    How the hell do you know Donald J. Trump's presidency will end up in failure when he has only been POTUS for 12 days. So far he has been doing nothing but winning, promising to do things he said he would do.

    "He should never have been elected"

    Of course you believe Donald J. Trump should have never been elected POTUS because you are a Cuck for Muslims.
    , @Autochthon

    [Wh]ites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.
     
    Clearly you are not a white person living in California.

    Ot did you mean to write:

    [W]hites who don't mind being constantly victimized by criminals, interminable commutes in gridlocked traffic, surrounded by smelly aliens gabbling incomprehensibly, all while paying confiscatory taxes, as well as willing to live life without any real political power – or whose obscene wealth insulates them from all these realities – will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.
     
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  10. Φ says: • Website

    I thought the Lautenberg amendment was a law restricting firearm possession by domestic violence offenders: http://www.monterey.army.mil/Legal/la_criminal_law/lautenberg_amendment.pdf

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  11. Here’s the text of the original “Lautenberg Amendment”:

    —–

    PUBLIC LAW 101-167—NOV. 21, 1989

    103 STAT. 1195 [Page 1]

    Public Law 101-167
    101st Congress

    Nov. 21, 1989
    [H.R. 3743]

    Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1990.

    An Act

    Making appropriations for foreign operations, export financing, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1990, and for other purposes.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That the following sums are appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for foreign operations, export financing, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1990, and for other purposes, namely:

    TITLE I—MULTILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE

    [...]

    TITLE V—GENERAL PROVISIONS

    [...]

    103 STAT. 1261 [Page 67]

    ESTABLISHING CATEGORIES OF ALIENS FOR PURPOSES OF REFUGEE DETERMINATIONS

    8 USC 1157 note.

    SEC. 599D. (a) IN GENERAL.—In the case of an alien who is within a category of aliens established under subsection (b), the alien may establish, for purposes of admission as a refugee under section 207 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, that the alien has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion by asserting such a fear and asserting a credible basis for concern about the possibility of such persecution.

    (b) ESTABLISHMENT OF CATEGORIES.—
    (1) For purposes of subsection (a), the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, shall establish—
    (A) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in the Soviet Union on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and
    (B) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in such respective foreign state on such an account.
    (2)(A) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who are Jews or Evangelical Christians shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).
    (B) Aliens who are (or were) nationals of the Soviet Union and who are current members of, and demonstrate public, active, and continuous participation (or attempted participation) in the religious activities of, the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

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    (C) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who are members of categories of individuals determined, by the Attorney General in accordance with “Immigration and Naturalization Service Worldwide Guidelines for Overseas Refugee Processing” (issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service in August 1983) shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(B).
    (3) Within the number of admissions of refugees allocated for fiscal year 1990 for refugees who are nationals of the Soviet Union under section 207(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, notwithstanding any other provision of law, the President shall allocate one thousand of such admissions for such fiscal year to refugees who are within the category of aliens described in paragraph (2)(B).

    (c) WRITTEN REASONS FOR DENIALS OF REFUGEE STATUS.—Each decision to deny an application for refugee status of an alien who is within a category established under this section shall be in writing and shall state, to the maximum extent feasible, the reason for the denial.

    (d) PERMITTING CERTAIN ALIENS WITHIN CATEGORIES TO REAPPLY FOR REFUGEE STATUS.—Each alien who is within a category established under this section and who (after August 14, 1988, and before the date of the enactment of this Act) was denied refugee status shall be permitted to reapply for such status. Such an application shall be determined taking into account the application of this section.

    (e) PERIOD OF APPLICATION. —
    (1) Subsections (a) and (b) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall only apply to applications for refugee status submitted before October 1, 1990.
    (2) Subsection (c) shall apply to decisions made after the date of the enactment of this Act and before October 1, 1990.
    (3) Subsection (d) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall only apply to reapplications for refugee status submitted before October 1, 1990.

    (f) GAO REPORTS ON SOVIET REFUGEE PROCESSING.—
    (1) The Comptroller General shall submit to the Committees on the Judiciary of the Senate and of the House of Representatives reports on the implementation of this section in Italy and the Soviet Union. Such reports shall include a review of—
    (A) the timeliness and length of individual interviews,
    (B) the adequacy of staffing and funding by the Department of State, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and voluntary agencies, including the adequacy of staffing, computerization, and administration of the processing center in Washington,
    (C) the sufficiency of the proposed Soviet refugee processing system within the United States,
    (D) backlogs (if any) by ethnic or religious groups and the reasons any such backlogs exist,
    (E) the sufficiency of the means of distributing and receiving applications for refugee status in Moscow,
    (F) to the extent possible, a comparison of the cost of conducting refugee processing only in Moscow and such cost of processing in both Moscow and in Italy, and
    (G) an evaluation of efforts to phase out Soviet refugee processing in Italy.
    (2) The Comptroller shall submit a preliminary report under paragraph (1) by December 31, 1989, and a final report by March 31, 1990. The final report shall include any recommendations which the Comptroller General may have regarding the need, if any, to revise or extend the application of this section.

    ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS FOR CERTAIN SOVIET AND INDOCHINESE PAROLEES

    8 USC 1255 note.

    SEC. 599E. (a) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall adjust the status of an alien described in subsection (b) to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence if the alien—
    (1) applies for such adjustment,
    (2) has been physically present in the United States for at least 1 year and is physically present in the United States on the date the application for such adjustment is filed,
    (3) is admissible to the United States as an immigrant, except as provided in subsection (c), and
    (4) pays a fee (determined by the Attorney General) for the
    processing of such application.

    (b) ALIENS ELIGIBLE FOR ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.—The benefits provided in subsection (a) shall only apply to an alien who—
    (1) was a national of the Soviet Union, Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia, and
    (2) was inspected and granted parole into the United States during the period beginning on August 15, 1988, and ending on September 30, 1990, after being denied refugee status.

    (c) WAIVER OF CERTAIN GROUNDS FOR INADMISSIBILITY.—The provisions of paragraphs (14), (15), (20), (21), (25), (28) (other than subparagraph (F)), and (32) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act shall not apply to adjustment of status under this section and the Attorney General may waive any other provision of such section (other than paragraph (23)(B), (27), (29), or (33)) with respect to such an adjustment for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest.

    (d) DATE OF APPROVAL.—Upon the approval of such an application for adjustment of status, the Attorney General shall create a record of the alien’s admission as a lawful permanent resident as of the date of the alien’s inspection and parole described in subsection (b)(2).

    (e) No OFFSET IN NUMBER OF VISAS AVAILABLE.—When an alien is granted the status of having been lawfully admitted for permanent residence under this section, the Secretary of State shall not be required to reduce the number of immigrant visas authorized to be issued under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

    REPEAL OF PROVISION

    SEC. 599F. (a) The following provision under the heading “Salaries and Expenses, General Legal Activities”, contained in the Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1990 (H.R. 2991), as enacted into law, is hereby repealed: “: Provided further. That for fiscal year 1990 and
    hereafter the Attorney General may establish and collect fees to cover the cost of identifying, copying and distributing copies of tax decisions rendered by the Federal Judiciary and that any such fees shall be credited to this appropriation notwithstanding the provisions of 31 U.S.C. 3302″.

    (b) The provisions of subsection (a) shall take effect upon the date of the enactment into law of the Department of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1990 (H.R. 2991).

    —–

    I excerpted the text from the PDF version here: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-103/pdf/STATUTE-103-Pg1195.pdf

    It’s the original, 1989 version, that gets updated every year. No doubt someone could point to the currently applicable version in the US Code, but I’m not a lawyer, and frankly a bit tired of searching for stuff that to me should be easily available. These are our laws, dammit!

    Here’s a link to the 1997 version:

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1997-title8/html/USCODE-1997-title8-chap12-subchapII-partI-sec1157.htm

    It doesn’t seem very different, just updated to reflect the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    There should really be a version of all our laws in text form, easily searchable, and versioned so we can see changes from year to year. Could be stored on GitHub. Maybe there is. All those heartbroken Obama techies, they must have been busy doing something while employed by the government, yes?

    With all this talk of the Lautenberg amendment as an example of a religious criterion for refugee status, I was rather alarmed that I couldn’t google it easily. Maybe this can help…

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    The current version of the Lautenberg amendment is here:

    8 USC 1157: Annual admission of refugees and admission of emergency situation refugees
    Text contains those laws in effect on January 31, 2017
    From Title 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    CHAPTER 12-IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
    SUBCHAPTER II-IMMIGRATION
    Part I-Selection System

    http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1157&num=0&edition=prelim

    Still a pain to find the text, but if you scroll down, you will see it, look for "Establishing Categories of Aliens for Purposes of Refugee Determinations"

    By the way, as others no doubt already know, Lautenberg's biography is rather pertinent.
    Parents Russian and Polish Jews, super liberal, 5th richest member of Senate, and more.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lautenberg

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  12. Arclight says:

    Islamism and Progressivism both have submission are core tenets of their ideology. The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically than the opportunity it presents to cast others as racist, xenophobic, etc. It’s practically the progressive past time to condemn fellow citizens who don’t share their views and propose various ways to punish them for their heresy.

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    The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically
     
    It's growing on them.
    , @Steel T Post
    Both Abrahamic offshoot cults are based on universal submission—or else.

    Submit yourselves therefore to God.

    James 4:7
     
    Islam's submission to God isn't too surprising, considering the origins of Islam.

    [T]he Quran derives from a Syriac Christian lectionary.

    The Christian Origins of Islam
    Peter J. Leithart, First Things, December 2012
     
    The proper answer to Christian or Islamic demands of submission is this fellow's.

    I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789
     
    , @Rod1963
    The Left needs soldiers to carry out their agenda against more traditional whites that are resistant to their verbal outgassings and moral preening. The fact is the Left in the West is composed of loud mouthed wimps. You won't find the sort of men who'd do what Ayers tried to do.

    Enter Islam and it's penchant for terrorism, thuggery and colonization.

    Deal wise, it's kind of like the late Roman Empire thinking a good replacement for the legions was hiring entire tribes of barbarians to fight for them only for the Roman elite to wake up and find out the barbarians ran everything. Or what happened when the Byzantines hired a bunch of Catalans to kick the Turks out of Greece.

    The thing is the Left and the elites not being big on history or long term thinking don't see the implications of using Muslims for their dirty work.
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  13. The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story.

    There are several areas in Suburban Chicago where the Chicago Outfit had a free hand. One of these areas was the Mannheim Strip, which was once the main drag out of O’Hare to those going downtown, and was originally built up in the late 50′s in anticipation as it eventually becoming a sort of Midwest version of the Las Vegas Strip. The Kennedy Expressway was built just after that though and stole all of the business away from the Mannheim Strip, which subsequently became run down. The mob still cashed in by making the Mannheim Strip into a low brow vice district of gambling and prostitution catering to truck drivers, alcoholics, and local teens who wanted to lose their virginity. For years there were many houses of ill repute with weird little buildings in between that housed “clubs” with Italian names, such as the Mazzini Soccer Club. These were where the mob ran the businesses out of. When the Feds would bust up one of the clubs, the names of those busted were familiar Chicago Mob underling usual suspects. This was until the Feds cracked down hard on the Chicago Outfit in Operation Family Secrets. This was around the same time as where there was a large influx of Russians into Chicago. Suddenly the news was filled with stories of the Russian Mob gaining inroads in Chicago. Also, almost over night, the signage on these little “clubs” went from being Italian sounding to being written in Cyrillic letters and the usual suspects being busted on Mannheim Road having Russian names. Other than in the local police blotter, this event has not really been reported on at all.

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  14. @Arclight
    Islamism and Progressivism both have submission are core tenets of their ideology. The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically than the opportunity it presents to cast others as racist, xenophobic, etc. It's practically the progressive past time to condemn fellow citizens who don't share their views and propose various ways to punish them for their heresy.

    The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically

    It’s growing on them.

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  15. Lots of intersectionality going on here.

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  16. @European-American
    Here's the text of the original "Lautenberg Amendment":

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    PUBLIC LAW 101-167—NOV. 21, 1989

    103 STAT. 1195 [Page 1]

    Public Law 101-167
    101st Congress

    Nov. 21, 1989
    [H.R. 3743]

    Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1990.

    An Act

    Making appropriations for foreign operations, export financing, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1990, and for other purposes.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That the following sums are appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for foreign operations, export financing, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1990, and for other purposes, namely:

    TITLE I—MULTILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE

    [...]

    TITLE V—GENERAL PROVISIONS

    [...]

    103 STAT. 1261 [Page 67]

    ESTABLISHING CATEGORIES OF ALIENS FOR PURPOSES OF REFUGEE DETERMINATIONS

    8 USC 1157 note.

    SEC. 599D. (a) IN GENERAL.—In the case of an alien who is within a category of aliens established under subsection (b), the alien may establish, for purposes of admission as a refugee under section 207 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, that the alien has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion by asserting such a fear and asserting a credible basis for concern about the possibility of such persecution.

    (b) ESTABLISHMENT OF CATEGORIES.—
    (1) For purposes of subsection (a), the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, shall establish—
    (A) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in the Soviet Union on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and
    (B) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in such respective foreign state on such an account.
    (2)(A) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who are Jews or Evangelical Christians shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).
    (B) Aliens who are (or were) nationals of the Soviet Union and who are current members of, and demonstrate public, active, and continuous participation (or attempted participation) in the religious activities of, the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).



    (C) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who are members of categories of individuals determined, by the Attorney General in accordance with "Immigration and Naturalization Service Worldwide Guidelines for Overseas Refugee Processing" (issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service in August 1983) shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(B).
    (3) Within the number of admissions of refugees allocated for fiscal year 1990 for refugees who are nationals of the Soviet Union under section 207(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, notwithstanding any other provision of law, the President shall allocate one thousand of such admissions for such fiscal year to refugees who are within the category of aliens described in paragraph (2)(B).

    (c) WRITTEN REASONS FOR DENIALS OF REFUGEE STATUS.—Each decision to deny an application for refugee status of an alien who is within a category established under this section shall be in writing and shall state, to the maximum extent feasible, the reason for the denial.

    (d) PERMITTING CERTAIN ALIENS WITHIN CATEGORIES TO REAPPLY FOR REFUGEE STATUS.—Each alien who is within a category established under this section and who (after August 14, 1988, and before the date of the enactment of this Act) was denied refugee status shall be permitted to reapply for such status. Such an application shall be determined taking into account the application of this section.

    (e) PERIOD OF APPLICATION. —
    (1) Subsections (a) and (b) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall only apply to applications for refugee status submitted before October 1, 1990.
    (2) Subsection (c) shall apply to decisions made after the date of the enactment of this Act and before October 1, 1990.
    (3) Subsection (d) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall only apply to reapplications for refugee status submitted before October 1, 1990.

    (f) GAO REPORTS ON SOVIET REFUGEE PROCESSING.—
    (1) The Comptroller General shall submit to the Committees on the Judiciary of the Senate and of the House of Representatives reports on the implementation of this section in Italy and the Soviet Union. Such reports shall include a review of—
    (A) the timeliness and length of individual interviews,
    (B) the adequacy of staffing and funding by the Department of State, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and voluntary agencies, including the adequacy of staffing, computerization, and administration of the processing center in Washington,
    (C) the sufficiency of the proposed Soviet refugee processing system within the United States,
    (D) backlogs (if any) by ethnic or religious groups and the reasons any such backlogs exist,
    (E) the sufficiency of the means of distributing and receiving applications for refugee status in Moscow,
    (F) to the extent possible, a comparison of the cost of conducting refugee processing only in Moscow and such cost of processing in both Moscow and in Italy, and
    (G) an evaluation of efforts to phase out Soviet refugee processing in Italy.
    (2) The Comptroller shall submit a preliminary report under paragraph (1) by December 31, 1989, and a final report by March 31, 1990. The final report shall include any recommendations which the Comptroller General may have regarding the need, if any, to revise or extend the application of this section.

    ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS FOR CERTAIN SOVIET AND INDOCHINESE PAROLEES

    8 USC 1255 note.

    SEC. 599E. (a) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall adjust the status of an alien described in subsection (b) to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence if the alien—
    (1) applies for such adjustment,
    (2) has been physically present in the United States for at least 1 year and is physically present in the United States on the date the application for such adjustment is filed,
    (3) is admissible to the United States as an immigrant, except as provided in subsection (c), and
    (4) pays a fee (determined by the Attorney General) for the
    processing of such application.

    (b) ALIENS ELIGIBLE FOR ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.—The benefits provided in subsection (a) shall only apply to an alien who—
    (1) was a national of the Soviet Union, Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia, and
    (2) was inspected and granted parole into the United States during the period beginning on August 15, 1988, and ending on September 30, 1990, after being denied refugee status.

    (c) WAIVER OF CERTAIN GROUNDS FOR INADMISSIBILITY.—The provisions of paragraphs (14), (15), (20), (21), (25), (28) (other than subparagraph (F)), and (32) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act shall not apply to adjustment of status under this section and the Attorney General may waive any other provision of such section (other than paragraph (23)(B), (27), (29), or (33)) with respect to such an adjustment for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest.

    (d) DATE OF APPROVAL.—Upon the approval of such an application for adjustment of status, the Attorney General shall create a record of the alien's admission as a lawful permanent resident as of the date of the alien's inspection and parole described in subsection (b)(2).

    (e) No OFFSET IN NUMBER OF VISAS AVAILABLE.—When an alien is granted the status of having been lawfully admitted for permanent residence under this section, the Secretary of State shall not be required to reduce the number of immigrant visas authorized to be issued under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

    REPEAL OF PROVISION

    SEC. 599F. (a) The following provision under the heading "Salaries and Expenses, General Legal Activities", contained in the Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1990 (H.R. 2991), as enacted into law, is hereby repealed: ": Provided further. That for fiscal year 1990 and
    hereafter the Attorney General may establish and collect fees to cover the cost of identifying, copying and distributing copies of tax decisions rendered by the Federal Judiciary and that any such fees shall be credited to this appropriation notwithstanding the provisions of 31 U.S.C. 3302".

    (b) The provisions of subsection (a) shall take effect upon the date of the enactment into law of the Department of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1990 (H.R. 2991).

    -----

    I excerpted the text from the PDF version here: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-103/pdf/STATUTE-103-Pg1195.pdf

    It's the original, 1989 version, that gets updated every year. No doubt someone could point to the currently applicable version in the US Code, but I'm not a lawyer, and frankly a bit tired of searching for stuff that to me should be easily available. These are our laws, dammit!

    Here's a link to the 1997 version:
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-1997-title8/html/USCODE-1997-title8-chap12-subchapII-partI-sec1157.htm
    It doesn't seem very different, just updated to reflect the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    There should really be a version of all our laws in text form, easily searchable, and versioned so we can see changes from year to year. Could be stored on GitHub. Maybe there is. All those heartbroken Obama techies, they must have been busy doing something while employed by the government, yes?

    With all this talk of the Lautenberg amendment as an example of a religious criterion for refugee status, I was rather alarmed that I couldn't google it easily. Maybe this can help...

    The current version of the Lautenberg amendment is here:

    8 USC 1157: Annual admission of refugees and admission of emergency situation refugees
    Text contains those laws in effect on January 31, 2017
    From Title 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    CHAPTER 12-IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
    SUBCHAPTER II-IMMIGRATION
    Part I-Selection System

    http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1157&num=0&edition=prelim

    Still a pain to find the text, but if you scroll down, you will see it, look for “Establishing Categories of Aliens for Purposes of Refugee Determinations”

    By the way, as others no doubt already know, Lautenberg’s biography is rather pertinent.
    Parents Russian and Polish Jews, super liberal, 5th richest member of Senate, and more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lautenberg

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    This Cornell online version is slightly easier to use:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1157?qt-us_code_temp_noupdates=1

    Just click and search for "Jews" :-) Or "Evangelical".
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  17. yaph says:

    Blame President Bannon for acting like a Central Asian dictator instead an American.

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  18. @Captain Tripps
    Great movie...

    The "LOL" button doesn't work for me, so, LOL!

    Thanks, Cap! Yeah, the movie still holds up.

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  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    The stupidity of Taki's reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

    Same with zerohedge, each one trying to out cute the last. Unz comments are great, none of that moronic back and forth that hijacks a thread.

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  20. @European-American
    The current version of the Lautenberg amendment is here:

    8 USC 1157: Annual admission of refugees and admission of emergency situation refugees
    Text contains those laws in effect on January 31, 2017
    From Title 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    CHAPTER 12-IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
    SUBCHAPTER II-IMMIGRATION
    Part I-Selection System

    http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1157&num=0&edition=prelim

    Still a pain to find the text, but if you scroll down, you will see it, look for "Establishing Categories of Aliens for Purposes of Refugee Determinations"

    By the way, as others no doubt already know, Lautenberg's biography is rather pertinent.
    Parents Russian and Polish Jews, super liberal, 5th richest member of Senate, and more.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lautenberg

    This Cornell online version is slightly easier to use:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1157?qt-us_code_temp_noupdates=1

    Just click and search for “Jews” :-) Or “Evangelical”.

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  21. Thanks for the family stories, Steve.

    Anyone who has seen the American immigration system at work, as I have, knows what a clusterf*ck full of lazy gub’mint zombies it is.

    A complete overhaul is in order, beginning with “you’re fired” for everyone and shutting the door on all non-Christian-non-white immigrants.

    I’d make an exception and let in blonde, fake Jews from Russia.

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    Anyone who has seen the American immigration system at work, as I have, knows what a clusterf*ck full of lazy gub’mint zombies it is.
     
    So lazy they are unable to line up the airline flights to send illegal alien deportees home.

    It will be a major advance if the Trump administration publishes a weekly list of confirmed deportations and the exact airplanes that took them home. I prefer ships to send them back but this is not done. Currently.
    It is very easy to deport Mexicans due to our common border, we just bus them back home.
    All other deportees are flown home which apparently involves heavy duty logistics for pea brain federal workers. Plus I am sure the proper funding to pay for more flights is never appropriated by Washington DC. On purpose of course, same as they never funded the Mexican border fence building that is required by law passed circa 2007.
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  22. Gabriel M says:

    Mega LOLZ

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/01/chronicle-fear-seven-days-muslim-immigrant-america

    When the roll of toilet paper ran out this morning, I stood there, staring at my bathroom shelf for a full minute. There are three rolls left. How many new ones should I buy? The question is so difficult it makes my throat close up.

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  23. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Great essay, Steve. You definitely have some interesting relations.

    I recently re-watched The Usual Suspects. Quiz time for iStevers who’ve seen the movie and haven’t read the essay: Steve Sailer or ‘Verbal’ Kint?

    I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

    Blond Russian girlfriends were an exotic innovation in American life when my lonely widower father-in-law brought one back from a trip to Leningrad in 1991 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat.

    My wife’s uncle, a U.S. Air Force colonel with a Ph.D. in metallurgy, would occasionally go spying in East Berlin and meet up with Soviet Jewish aerospace experts. He’d get the word through the grapevine that a future émigré would be sitting in a parked car on a certain East Berlin backstreet on a certain evening.

    It didn't make sense that I'd be there. I mean, these guys were hard-core hijackers, but there I was. At that point I wasn't scared, I knew I hadn't done anything they could do me for. Besides, it was fun. I got to make like I was notorious.

    In response, my cousin’s boss authored the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to force the Soviets to let Jews and other religious minorities out.

    The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story. Initially, the ex-Soviet arrivals were largely Jewish. But increasingly the Russians are their Slavic distant relatives and neighbors.

    For example, when my nephew stayed with us a few years ago, he played on two soccer teams at the local park. There was a petty gang of Hungarians that wanted their own mob. They realized that to be in power you didn't need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn't.

    The other team was made up of tall, blond, blue-eyed Russian speakers. They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    I recall all this history about how the U.S. government has chosen to give immigration privileges to some foreign religious groups and not to others. But many pundits can’t seem to remember much of anything. All that matters to them is knowing who are supposed to be the good guys and who the bad guys.

    What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.
     

    Nicely done!

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  24. JohnnyD says:

    Ironically, it’s Trump’s Jewish advisor, Stephen Miller, who’s been promoting these travel bans in the media.

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  25. Clyde says:

    Europe is pre-submitting to Islam with the females being more inclined this way. One way or another the mass of Muslims in Europe and in nearby Muslim nations have an aura and the juice that has Euro-Eloi pre-submitting. Don’t ask me how but it is spooky like out of The Pod People.

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  26. Clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Thanks for the family stories, Steve.

    Anyone who has seen the American immigration system at work, as I have, knows what a clusterf*ck full of lazy gub'mint zombies it is.

    A complete overhaul is in order, beginning with "you're fired" for everyone and shutting the door on all non-Christian-non-white immigrants.

    I'd make an exception and let in blonde, fake Jews from Russia.

    Anyone who has seen the American immigration system at work, as I have, knows what a clusterf*ck full of lazy gub’mint zombies it is.

    So lazy they are unable to line up the airline flights to send illegal alien deportees home.

    It will be a major advance if the Trump administration publishes a weekly list of confirmed deportations and the exact airplanes that took them home. I prefer ships to send them back but this is not done. Currently.
    It is very easy to deport Mexicans due to our common border, we just bus them back home.
    All other deportees are flown home which apparently involves heavy duty logistics for pea brain federal workers. Plus I am sure the proper funding to pay for more flights is never appropriated by Washington DC. On purpose of course, same as they never funded the Mexican border fence building that is required by law passed circa 2007.

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    Preventing invasion and expelling invaders falls solidly within the bailiwick of the armed forces; have them take over this work. We can put the invaders into jump-seats in Globemasters and Galaxies and create enormous efficiencies. For trips taking more than eight hours, they can each be given a can of potted meat and eight ounces of water to sustain themselves – pour encourager les autres.
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  27. @Jefferson
    An Italian Social Justice Warrior wants Italians to form an alliance with Muslims just like Feminazis have done. And yes he invokes Ellis Island nostalgia.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_588a295fe4b01ea6978989a5

    Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims. As an Italian I feel way more comfortable around WASPs than I ever would around Muslims. I would never want to live in Dearborn or Hamtramck, Michigan.

    My two Italian grandfathers emigrated from Italy during the 1904-1908 period. First, they went to Switzerland. When they became unemployed in Switzerland, they went to France. When they became unemployed in France, they went to America. They met each other in the same apartment building in East Harlem (NYC). They found work in the same factory and they would make a home in America because the Standard of Living in the United States was far better than it had been in either Italy, Switzerland or France for them. In 1904-1908 there was no social safety net in the United States – – – a European immigrant was faced with a simple choice : work or starve.

    Times have changed since. A guaranteed welfare check is the current Third-World passport to the “American Dream.”

    Vote Democrat and vote often!

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  28. Sorry to be shamelessly self-advertising again, but I just published a post in which I debunk the claim that Trump’s election unleashed a wave of hate crimes on the country (http://necpluribusimpar.net/claim-trumps-election-unleashed-wave-hate-crimes/), using data from the NCVS.

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  29. Marcus says:

    Then, after Israeli politician Golda Meir’s triumphant 1947 visit to Moscow, Stalin became paranoid that Soviet Jews might become more Zionist than Stalinist.

    Think it had more to do with the Arab nationalist revolutions a few years later, the USSR saw the entire Arab world as a more valuable ally than little Israel.

    Fortunately, Stalin died before a massive persecution of Jews could be launched.

    Yeah, where would be without the Max Boots, Masha Gessens, and Julia Ioffes? Perish the thought!

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  30. Within twelve months’ time the sacred “Woman’s Right to Choose” will expand to include clitorectomies.

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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    The stupidity of Taki's reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

    The stupidity of Taki’s reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

    They’re hasbara and see to it that they fire off the first comments which will soil the article thus precluding people from posting it to Twitter and Facebook. Taki Mag might want to consider disabling comments for wider dissemination of excellent articles like the one Sailer has.

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    They could also just ban people whose posts consist of "First!" and lately "Second!" and even "Third!" Such geniuses these people.
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  33. bomag says:
    @Anon
    Top contenders for the neo-god to submit to.

    Sharia
    Jewria
    Whoria
    Gayria
    Brahmia
    Afria

    pros and cons

    1. Sharia

    Pros: Lots of Muslims in the world. Fastest growing faith. Militant. Passionate. Confident.

    Cons. Too much diversity of race and sects has Muslims killing Muslims. Cousin marriage and genetic problems. Aesthetically atrocious in clothing and style.

    2. Jewria

    Pros: High IQ. Holocaust Cult in the West. Control of elite institutions. Unlimited Cash. High verbal ability. Israel as regional superpower. Media control.

    Cons: Low birthrate among secular Jews and too much mixing. Rise of BDS and resentment of Jewish success or power. Jews increasingly seen as 'white'. Jewish anti-white-ism boomeranging on Jews. Small minority.



    3. Whoria

    Pros: High market value in pop culture.

    Cons: No matter how high the price, meat on the auction bloc.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    5. Brahmia.

    Pros: India to surpass China in population. Increasing emigration. Lots of talent and endless cheap labor in India. Good with English and Anglo culture.

    Cons: Messy, disoriented, and mostly unpleasant to outsiders with all that Babu antics.

    6. Afria

    Pros: Cool factor and badass factor due to music and sports. Jungle fever among the ho's. White cuck males worshiping Negroes. MLK and Mandela myths. Super-high-birthrates in Africa.

    Cons: Stupid, childish, destructive, dangerous, obnoxious, hollerish, and insane.

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    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

    That was good.

    I’ve been thinking that once all the White privilege has been checked, it has to be given to somebody; namely one of the neo-gods you’ve delineated.

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  34. Clyde says:

    Does Islam mean submission?
    Literally, Islam means submission (to the Will of God). Islam is derived from the Arabic root “Salema”: peace, purity, submission and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
    from answers dot com

    ***Muslims submit to a(phony, baloney) Allah, in turn Muslims strive to have non-Muslims submit to them. To submit to the Ummah. Muslims fancy themselves as mini-Allahs. They also aim to have all non-Muslims submit to Allah, that when this happens there will be no more Jihad and the world will be at peace. The entire planet will be Dar-Al-Salam.

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  35. inertial says:

    Yet another Russia-themed column. A few nitpicking notes.

    However, they could vacation in East Berlin

    A common Soviet citizen couldn’t just up and go vacation in East Berlin. This is triply true for Jewish refusenik airspace engineers. Either your wife’s uncle misremembers something or he was played by the KGB.

    As Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin liked to say, the only principle that they cared about is “Who? Whom?”

    Lenin said only once in a totally different context (it was a warning.) Don’t know about the others, but even if they said it, it must have been, again, a different context. That’s because expression “Who? Whom?” doesn’t mean in Russian what you think it means. The actual meaning of it is “there is a fight on and the outcome is uncertain.”

    They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    Don’t know about “Hey You;” in my experience ethnic Russians in California (who tend to be very smart computer programmers) are quite polite. Unsmiling, yes, very true. In Russian culture no smile is better than insincere smile. So, whereas the Russians here come across as gloomy, severe, brooding, etc., Russian visitors to America report back home that America is a land of “fake smiles.” To a Russian, this sounds like a horrible place.

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    Thank you for that link on Russian smiling, interesting and useful.
    https://in.rbth.com/arts/2013/11/29/ten_reasons_why_russians_dont_smile_much_31259
    , @guest
    There is a fight, the outcome is uncertain, and they want their side to prevail, obviously. You want to be the who instead of the whom. That's the thrust of the question. It's not about uncertainty.
    , @ussr andy
    kto kogo means what you said (uncertain outcome.) I doubut Lenin had this "hypocrisy" and "selective enforcement" meaning in mind, which is (if I understand right) what the phrase came to mean in the iSteveosphere. This is Marcusean, New Left stuff.

    (NB I've nothing whatsoever against Steve using it this way)

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  36. bomag says:
    @Anon
    Trump is the national version of Pete Wilson, the one-time (and last) Republican governor of California.

    Whites in California woke up too late, elected him once, and then the demographic trends finally overwhelmed them. The US is heading in the same direction. California is always the leader in all national trends. Look at the 60s counter-culture, look at Silicon Valley, and the same holds true for politics.

    Life for (R) whites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure. He should never have been elected in normal times, but then again, we don't live in normal times.

    California is sustained by “selling” stuff to the rest of the country, so I’m not sure their transformation scales, in that our current demographic shift relies on the care and maintenance of the welfare state; this tapers off pretty fast when you get away from the areas that are able to concentrate wealth via being a coastal/port area.

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  37. Travis says:

    my wife was deported under the Clinton regime (2 years after we were married in NJ), but took just 3 months to obtain a visa and green card after she was deported back to her home country an dpaid 1,200 fine for over-staying her visa….my brother-in-law was deported under Obama. both were and are Italian citizens. my Brother-in-law left his 3 American born children with us.

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    This happened mainly because Italians are White People and the Ruling Class in America has a terror of White People.

    I know Brits, Aussies, and Argentines who got thrown out even though (more likely specifically because) they are intelligent, attractive, self-supporting, civilized people.

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  38. I can’t think of anything more undemocratic than Zeroth Amendment absolutism: the entire world with the limited exception of United States citizens has a say in our national question.

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  39. @Kyle McKenna
    The stupidity of Taki's reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

    Taki’s comment section is the only one that is more, ah, free wheeling, shall we say, than here. Sometimes they are funny, but more often they are back and forth sniping. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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  40. Whiskey says: • Website

    There is a Cold Civil War turning hot among Whites, but it is not recent, it has been going on since Cromwell’s time arguably or even back to William. The Conqueror.

    Add to that the fuel on the fire, women being equal. Wonder why things went totally insane post-War? Women were made equal by the pill, condom, welfare etc. And so rapidly despised their men for being equal, and sought actively to replace them. Just in the same way that the printing press and firearms made the Reformation possible after centuries of failed revolts against the Church.

    Who is leading the dissolution of White nations into Third World hell-holes? The elites, who are on top or just below it: Hollywood near royalty, status grievance Silicon Valley Oligarchs, Wall Street banks (but not hedge funds where the real money is). Goldman Sachs, Ford Motor Co, Starbucks, Fakebook, Microsoft. They are all filled with elites aggrieved because they do not rule absolutely and HATE HATE HATE you for even existing as a White man. In this most White women certainly the Professional Class feel the same way.

    That’s why Brogrammers create wrath and Pakistani exclusive and misogynist networks in IT don’t. White women don’t HATE HATE HATE Pakistanis since they are dominant, low IQ, and aggressive. They HATE HATE HATE beta White males who placate them and are their equals and figure they might have a chance, lowering their own perceived sexual value. A beta male making a move on an ordinary girl is a worse insult to them than being called fat.

    In order to stop Open Borders White men need to be FEARED ABOVE ALL ELSE. Nothing else matters. Women can only find affection for men they fear, and nothing but contempt for men they don’t. White women did not create this aristocracy deciding to erase us but provide fuel for the fire. Game and general aggressiveness and creating abject fear through explicit examples would douse the fire with chemical retardant. [Yes Trump took 53% of White women, up against the Democratic version of Mitt Romney Mr. 47% and Juan McAmnesty. Lowered turnout for Crooked Cankles won't be there for some "Dreamboat" Black dude pushed by the media as an Alpha like Obama. That's the playbook and they will run it.]

    Nothing else worked. For the last 50 years. Time to create fear.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So I’ve seen this story being shared on liberal twitter. It sounded very fishy, and sure enough it now comes with the following disclaimer:

    DETROIT (WJBK) – Questions have been raised about the validity of Mike Hager’s claims that his mother died while waiting for approval to come to Michigan. FOX 2 news is working to resolve the questions about Hager’s story. We’ll update this page with further details.

    There’s a 95% chance this is fake news.

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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Well, what would you expect for a social species where belonging to group is needed for survival?

    Sure enough, there must be many relatively (and absolutely) individualists among readers, commenters and columnists here.
    But the world and Taki Magazine/Unz Review aren’t that much alike.

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  43. Steve, I love the kicker at the end of your article:

    For example, Julia Ioffe wrote a long article in The Atlantic about how mean Americans were to her family when granting them refugee status in 1990.

    When I pointed out to her on Twitter that she got in under a religious test, which we keep hearing is unconstitutional, she replied:

    there was no religious test. Not sure what you mean

    Being oblivious to the obvious is clearly a professional advantage in the punditry business. But can America continue to afford its delusional elites?

    The back and forth on Twitter is priceless.

    Which brings up the perennial question: if they are so elite, why are they so dumb?

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    Dumb, or gaslighting?

    There is no way that Ioffe doesn't know about Jackson-Vanick and Lautenberg.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    They're not really elite and they're not really all that smart; they've just got the right credentials.
    , @Thea
    Not dumb, just dishonest. When has the left ever suffered for lying?
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  44. George says:

    “Statue of Liberty obsessively”

    Public school propagandizing. I doubt the ‘alt right’ is willing to give up on the original sin, for example stopping the obsessive pledges of allegiance.

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  45. O'Really says:
    @candid_observer
    Steve, I love the kicker at the end of your article:

    For example, Julia Ioffe wrote a long article in The Atlantic about how mean Americans were to her family when granting them refugee status in 1990.

    When I pointed out to her on Twitter that she got in under a religious test, which we keep hearing is unconstitutional, she replied:

    there was no religious test. Not sure what you mean

    Being oblivious to the obvious is clearly a professional advantage in the punditry business. But can America continue to afford its delusional elites?
     
    The back and forth on Twitter is priceless.

    Which brings up the perennial question: if they are so elite, why are they so dumb?

    Dumb, or gaslighting?

    There is no way that Ioffe doesn’t know about Jackson-Vanick and Lautenberg.

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  46. Thomas says:

    OT but good news: Jeff Sessions’ nomination is out of committee. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317035-sessions-approved-by-senate-committee

    #MAGA

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  47. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Great essay, Steve. You definitely have some interesting relations.

    I recently re-watched The Usual Suspects. Quiz time for iStevers who’ve seen the movie and haven’t read the essay: Steve Sailer or ‘Verbal’ Kint?

    I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

    Blond Russian girlfriends were an exotic innovation in American life when my lonely widower father-in-law brought one back from a trip to Leningrad in 1991 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat.

    My wife’s uncle, a U.S. Air Force colonel with a Ph.D. in metallurgy, would occasionally go spying in East Berlin and meet up with Soviet Jewish aerospace experts. He’d get the word through the grapevine that a future émigré would be sitting in a parked car on a certain East Berlin backstreet on a certain evening.

    It didn't make sense that I'd be there. I mean, these guys were hard-core hijackers, but there I was. At that point I wasn't scared, I knew I hadn't done anything they could do me for. Besides, it was fun. I got to make like I was notorious.

    In response, my cousin’s boss authored the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to force the Soviets to let Jews and other religious minorities out.

    The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story. Initially, the ex-Soviet arrivals were largely Jewish. But increasingly the Russians are their Slavic distant relatives and neighbors.

    For example, when my nephew stayed with us a few years ago, he played on two soccer teams at the local park. There was a petty gang of Hungarians that wanted their own mob. They realized that to be in power you didn't need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn't.

    The other team was made up of tall, blond, blue-eyed Russian speakers. They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    I recall all this history about how the U.S. government has chosen to give immigration privileges to some foreign religious groups and not to others. But many pundits can’t seem to remember much of anything. All that matters to them is knowing who are supposed to be the good guys and who the bad guys.

    What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.
     

    Great movie and funny comment!

    Stephen Baldwin, if you’re reading this I thought you did great work in that film!

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  48. Corvinus says:
    @Jefferson
    An Italian Social Justice Warrior wants Italians to form an alliance with Muslims just like Feminazis have done. And yes he invokes Ellis Island nostalgia.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_588a295fe4b01ea6978989a5

    Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims. As an Italian I feel way more comfortable around WASPs than I ever would around Muslims. I would never want to live in Dearborn or Hamtramck, Michigan.

    “Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims.”

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. “We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?” stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding “a herd of steerage slime”. In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began “Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng”, a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    “One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history.”

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

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    Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them. Allowing uncountable hoards of welfare recipients who are worshipped by the left will just enlarge our perpetual underclass of entitled malcontents.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place. And it would have saved those Sicilians from being lynched, at least in New Orleans. It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. Trump's executive order is a good first step!
    , @Sean
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Belcastro
    , @Gabriel M
    Try googling a fortiori.
    , @Abe

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.
     
    I took an Italian films class in college once, and so I can remember some instances of this same claim (the Italian masses not being really fit for democracy because they'd simply vote the way their priests told them to) being made by many in the notoriously reactionary Italian filmmaker community- oh wait, those were progressive socialists and communists. Well, maybe I'm thinking about the attitudes of notoriously reactionary French filmmaking community... no, those were socialists and communists too. Maybe it was those notoriously reactionary Spanish filmmakers...
    , @guest
    Where's the revision? The above poster didn't say nativists* welcomed Italians with open arms. They said Italians are more at home in American culture than Muslims. Which can be true even if WASPs at the time of peak Italian immigration hated those bloody papists to a man.

    "were the nativist correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?"

    If they were incorrect, does that mean people who think Muslims won't sufficiently assimilate are incorrect, too? No. So what's your point?

    *I've noticed people invoking this term a lot lately with the implication, never explained or even made explicit, that it's supposed to be bad. Since when was "nativism" a dirty word? I must have missed that class in high school, because it doesn't have that rhetorical effect on me.

    It's like how you can see a neocon author shudder through the text when they write the word "isolationist." I don't think that term is accurately applied, but nevertheless, it doesn't bother me. I'm an isolationist? Oh, okay, fine.
    , @Jefferson
    "The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants."

    That is another reason why comparing Italians to Muslims is comparing apples to oranges. While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants, the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam.

    "And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present."

    Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them.

    Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide. And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians.

    You look at The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren't whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants.

    There used to be a journal called The XIXth Century. Leafing through it, I came across an article published in the 1890s that was no more than a list of police-blotter type accounts of violent crimes committed by Italians. It was something like 8 pages of crimes, obviously not intended to reflect favorably on Italian immigrants.
    , @syonredux

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?
     
    They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English....

    And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I'm pretty sure that they would pick the Italians......


    "Ellis Island nostalgia" is no substitute for clear thinking.
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  49. Abe says: • Website

    The world just keeps getting more iStevier: GUARDIAN – “US travel ban leaves Iranian LGBT refugees in limbo”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/us-travel-ban-leaves-iranian-lgbt-refugees-in-limbo

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  50. @candid_observer
    Steve, I love the kicker at the end of your article:

    For example, Julia Ioffe wrote a long article in The Atlantic about how mean Americans were to her family when granting them refugee status in 1990.

    When I pointed out to her on Twitter that she got in under a religious test, which we keep hearing is unconstitutional, she replied:

    there was no religious test. Not sure what you mean

    Being oblivious to the obvious is clearly a professional advantage in the punditry business. But can America continue to afford its delusional elites?
     
    The back and forth on Twitter is priceless.

    Which brings up the perennial question: if they are so elite, why are they so dumb?

    They’re not really elite and they’re not really all that smart; they’ve just got the right credentials.

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  51. Thea says:
    @candid_observer
    Steve, I love the kicker at the end of your article:

    For example, Julia Ioffe wrote a long article in The Atlantic about how mean Americans were to her family when granting them refugee status in 1990.

    When I pointed out to her on Twitter that she got in under a religious test, which we keep hearing is unconstitutional, she replied:

    there was no religious test. Not sure what you mean

    Being oblivious to the obvious is clearly a professional advantage in the punditry business. But can America continue to afford its delusional elites?
     
    The back and forth on Twitter is priceless.

    Which brings up the perennial question: if they are so elite, why are they so dumb?

    Not dumb, just dishonest. When has the left ever suffered for lying?

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  52. Thea says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them. Allowing uncountable hoards of welfare recipients who are worshipped by the left will just enlarge our perpetual underclass of entitled malcontents.

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    "Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them."

    Well, your buddy Diversity Heretic stated that "Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse". How would you address this discrepancy?
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  53. Sean says:

    ‘Twas ever thus:-

    https://networks.h-net.org/node/28443/discussions/89987/h-diplo-article-review-560-%E2%80%9C-limits-intervention-coercive-diplomacy In Berlin, the preoccupation of the Great Powers was defending the rights of Christian minorities. Yet, Jewish diplomats were able to attract a significant amount of international attention to the cause of Jews suffering under the emerging states of Romania and Serbia, pushing the Jewish question at the Congress of Berlin. At the Conference of Madrid, which was intended to limit the number of Moroccan citizens claiming the consular protection of foreign powers, Jewish lobbyists were able to place the whole question of the Jewish condition in Morocco on the agenda by referring to the prominence of Jews among foreign protégés in Morocco. Overall, however, the question of Jewish rights in Morocco received far less attention in the West, though Jewish vulnerability there could have been considered equal to that in Romania, and Morocco’s centuries-old community should have had a far stronger claim to full rights than did the recent immigrants making up much of Romania’s Jewish population. [...]

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  54. @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place. And it would have saved those Sicilians from being lynched, at least in New Orleans. It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. Trump’s executive order is a good first step!

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    There were several famous attempts to turn the Sicilian immigrant masses into to whining victimology assets of the far left they way Moslems, Mexicans, Gays and others have been.

    But the New Orleans lynching of a bunch of Mafioso and the execution of the anarchists killers Sacco and Vanzetti had very little impact in delaying the relatively rapid assimilation of Southern Italians. The fact is that some of most notorious mafia members had their strong patriotic sides.

    However, the trial of Sacco and Vanzetti had far far more impact on the formation of the radical Jewish left in 1920s. It played a major role in the growth of the CPUSA and the founding of the ACLU.

    The commie Howard Zinn made a big part of his long academic career on left-wing revisionism of the Sacco and Vanzetti case. There are 90 year old red diaper babies who show up on C-SPAN every couple of years to commemorate the "martyrdom" the Sacco and Vanzetti and will tell you they learned all about these "saints" from the rabbi at summer camp as kids. But more than 90% of Italians could not tell who Sacco and Vanzetti were.

    The saga of Mumia Abu-Jamal is just a rehashing of the lefty Sacco-Vanzetti playbook without the electrocution.

    The Open Borders crowd promises that every problem immigrant/alien group will ultimately turn out as well as Southern Italians. Don't believe them. Because one big difference is that Italians have a long history of mistrust of Jews.
    , @Corvinus
    "Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place."

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. "

    American Muslims who are citizens are not going to be deported.
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  55. Tulip says:

    Actually, the moral arc of the universe bends towards more botox treatments for our House Minority Leader.

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  56. @Arclight
    Islamism and Progressivism both have submission are core tenets of their ideology. The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically than the opportunity it presents to cast others as racist, xenophobic, etc. It's practically the progressive past time to condemn fellow citizens who don't share their views and propose various ways to punish them for their heresy.

    Both Abrahamic offshoot cults are based on universal submission—or else.

    Submit yourselves therefore to God.

    James 4:7

    Islam’s submission to God isn’t too surprising, considering the origins of Islam.

    [T]he Quran derives from a Syriac Christian lectionary.

    The Christian Origins of Islam
    Peter J. Leithart, First Things, December 2012

    The proper answer to Christian or Islamic demands of submission is this fellow’s.

    I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

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  57. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?
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  58. Svigor says:

    “Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims.”

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. “We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?” stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding “a herd of steerage slime”. In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began “Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng”, a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    Wonderful job at trying to pass (a leftist view of) history off as the present.

    And at passing off the idea that America was so awful to Italians in allowing them to immigrate. Take-home lesson: don’t let in immigrants, you’ll have to hear the left whining 20 years later about how awfully they were treated. Keep the would-be immigrants out, and spare them the trauma.

    P.S., you’re a leftist. In case you still haven’t made peace with that fact.

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    Let’s block the next wave of immigrants, so we don’t have to wonder if our assessment of them is accurate. It’s all up side: at best they’re merely equal to current Americans (leftist boilerplate, after all), so we can home grow our own equivalents. At worst, they’re inferior.

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  59. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Steve, your writing has sucked ever since the election. I say this only to motivate you.

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  60. Gabriel M says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    Try googling a fortiori.

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  61. Melendwyr says: • Website

    I find the frequent references to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island immigration to be rather strange. We turned away an awful lot of the people who tried to enter through Ellis Island, even though we had invited them to attempt to enter. So it ought to be a symbol of how we’re the ones who decide who gets in.

    Instead it’s being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?

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    "Historical ignorance, perhaps?"

    We're living in shallow times. It's not historical ignorance, though they probably are ignorant. It's just that Lady Liberty has become a symbol of open borders because of that damn poem. It's a rhetorical device which, repeated often enough, becomes the reality.

    Remembering a few lines of poetry, like remembering the "all men are created equal" part of the Declaration is a damn sight easier than studying the philosophy of the Founding Fathers or 20th century U.S. immigration policy. Sometimes shorthand, bumper-sticker history is accurate, sometimes not. In this case it's wildly inaccurate.

    By the way, I almost never go on Twitter, but recently I stopped by comments on a Voxdotcom tweet about Trump seeking to deny social services to legal immigrants. Someone responded, "So, literally the opposite of what's written on the Statue of Liberty. So much for the 'Mother of Exiles."

    Now, at least we're talking about legal immigrants here, so this invocation is more on the money regarding the false, Lazarusian model of Liberty. But there's nothing in that poem about social services. Of course, the idea is that Trump will incentivize them to leave by making life here as uncomfortable as possible. And there were probably some social aid programs back when that libelous poem was written.

    However, this is one example of anachronistic thinking typical of the shallows of which I spoke above. Because this tweeter is projecting backwards Current Year standards of immigrant-welcoming upon the flowery rhetoric of some poem that happened to be tacked onto the symbol of something which happened to be near where lots of immigrants arrived. So many layers of fuzzy thinking piled on top of eachother for what purpose? To pretend to a great pedigree for policies of the moment.

    The "Obey Colossus" mindset is so very pretentious.
    , @Corvinus
    "Instead it’s being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?"

    Except that selectiveness actually means exclusion**. Think about the Chinese. They came here in the 1860's and 1870's to work on the railroads. They worked hard and kept to themselves. Their reward? Congress "selected" them as being incapable of being assimilated because of their "alien customs". Have not the Chinese proven their worth since then as being more than adept at Americanism? Do white Americans look at these Asian American counterparts today with similar disdain as Congress in that time period?

    It's ironic those groups who had been vilified by nativists at that time use the same rationale employed by nativists today to characterize certain groups as being other than capable of being assimilated. Their ancestors today insist that because they were white and European, they could easily adapt to American customs, when in fact those nativists had believed to the contrary.

    Indeed, I hear the ghost of Bil Keane saying"Not me".

    **Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

    , @Yak-15
    True
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  62. Abe says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    I took an Italian films class in college once, and so I can remember some instances of this same claim (the Italian masses not being really fit for democracy because they’d simply vote the way their priests told them to) being made by many in the notoriously reactionary Italian filmmaker community- oh wait, those were progressive socialists and communists. Well, maybe I’m thinking about the attitudes of notoriously reactionary French filmmaking community… no, those were socialists and communists too. Maybe it was those notoriously reactionary Spanish filmmakers…

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    JFK's celebrated 1960 speech to Protestant ministers is widely assumed to have been JFK telling off the WASPs for their anti-Catholic bigotry. But instead, when Rick Santorum finally read it he was shocked by how JFK meekly promised the Protestants that he wouldn't follow the Pope's demands.
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  63. Stalin became paranoid that Soviet Jews might become more Zionist than Stalinist

    Would , by Hurriyet’s seal of authenticity confirmed, 50,000 US Turks hopping around Gulen in Washington made Sailer paranoid?

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  64. Gee, Sailer….

    This is what happens when deadline is approaching and you still can’t get that few paragraphs to be coherent and factual enough to make it through the end of your weekly column:

    The Soviet Union had been ardently anti-anti-Semitic during the 1920s (Did you get your fact-checking from one of cousin Mike’s co-staffers?) and 1930s.

    But during the crisis of WWII its ruling coalition of the fringes ( I thought there was consensus among historians of all colors that Koba run the country full-time with his iron mustache,no? ) realized it needed to placate its downtrodden Russian majority with better job opportunities (Such as get killed in Great War , or Gulag, or both?).

    Then, after Israeli politician Golda Meir’s triumphant (Says who besides few Wikipedian payrolled who-whomers / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Council_on_Foreign_Relations / , and late Mrs.Mabovitz herself ?) 1947 (It was 1948 ,btw) visit to Moscow, Stalin became paranoid that Soviet Jews might become more Zionist than Stalinist. ( He was crazier than Putin,right?)

    Fortunately (Says Sailer), Stalin died before a massive persecution of Jews (evidence…oh, never mind) could be launched.

    Zer Forverts has the opening for USSR Retcon-in large position.

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  65. Bill B. says:
    @Anon
    Top contenders for the neo-god to submit to.

    Sharia
    Jewria
    Whoria
    Gayria
    Brahmia
    Afria

    pros and cons

    1. Sharia

    Pros: Lots of Muslims in the world. Fastest growing faith. Militant. Passionate. Confident.

    Cons. Too much diversity of race and sects has Muslims killing Muslims. Cousin marriage and genetic problems. Aesthetically atrocious in clothing and style.

    2. Jewria

    Pros: High IQ. Holocaust Cult in the West. Control of elite institutions. Unlimited Cash. High verbal ability. Israel as regional superpower. Media control.

    Cons: Low birthrate among secular Jews and too much mixing. Rise of BDS and resentment of Jewish success or power. Jews increasingly seen as 'white'. Jewish anti-white-ism boomeranging on Jews. Small minority.



    3. Whoria

    Pros: High market value in pop culture.

    Cons: No matter how high the price, meat on the auction bloc.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    5. Brahmia.

    Pros: India to surpass China in population. Increasing emigration. Lots of talent and endless cheap labor in India. Good with English and Anglo culture.

    Cons: Messy, disoriented, and mostly unpleasant to outsiders with all that Babu antics.

    6. Afria

    Pros: Cool factor and badass factor due to music and sports. Jungle fever among the ho's. White cuck males worshiping Negroes. MLK and Mandela myths. Super-high-birthrates in Africa.

    Cons: Stupid, childish, destructive, dangerous, obnoxious, hollerish, and insane.

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    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

    But they ain’t got the IQ across the board like the Chinese.

    I heard John Mearsheimer do one of his big realpolitik presentations where he waved away India’s importance as nugatory because of the “human capital” problem. No one argued with him.

    But sure Indians are quite good at elbowing themselves to the front of a crowd of Westerners.

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    "But they ain’t got the IQ across the board like the Chinese."

    But that is now an advantage in a way.

    Look at East Asia. Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and even urban areas of mainland China.

    Because of across-the-board decent IQ and education culture, 'elitism' has been universalized. There is virtual universal college education, and that means everyone wants 'clean' job and disdains 'dirty job'. Since not all can make it, many commit suicide, prefer fantasy of good life in soap opera, or emigrate and lose identity/culture as East Asian culture has no currency outside Asia(and not even there as Japanese fixated on cartoons and others wanna be cartoons).
    So, East Asian IQ advantage had the effect of spreading universal elitism among the people. So, people who go to college but don't make it don't want work at lower job.
    Singapore and South Korea are going for mass immigration, and Japanese corporations are also pressuring the government to take in more.
    Also, due to elitism, no one wants to have children UNLESS the kid has chance of making it in school and work.

    In contrast, India has good amount of real talent at the top. Lots of smart people there. But it also has a quasi-caste system(still) where lots of people are on the bottom and don't expect their lives to improve much.
    East Asian Confucian class system ideally says EVERYONE should be upper-crust person with clean dignified job. In the past, such was availed to just a few since most couldn't afford education. Now, education, even college education, has been universalized, and so EVERY East Asian wants the best and has turned finicky. They don't want children if the kids will grow up to be working class or do manual labor. East Asians look down on such jobs as low and dirty and import foreigners to do them. This will lead to demographic loss of land in long run, but then, East Asian elites, so slavish to be part of globalist elites, don't care if they lose their nation as long as they can go to Western nations and have a good life.

    In contrast, the caste-mentality still exists in India. So, a lot of people are okay with being born into lower status and doing what they're supposed to do. It's Karma. So, whereas East Asia has lots of brain power but losing out demographically in labor power, India will have both lots of brain power and labor power(among lower quasi-castes).

    Karma may beat Chun-Tzu. India will have lots of brains and hands, whereas East Asia only wants brains but no hands. Indeed, India may colonize other East Asian nations that have brains but no hands. Indian hands will go there and plant their feet on the ground and eventually take over.

    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

    , @Autochthon
    I've brought many an elbowing subcontinental snowboarder up short by the pointed, firm placement of a pole. It's amazing to me how meek many Westerners are about such things: physical shoving in such contexts; loud, rude, yammering in cinemas and restaurants; audio from electronic devices by people apparently unaware of the invention of headphones. All this kind of nonsense is increasing exponentially with the surge in invaders who lack the mores of common courtesy and decorum, (never mind any concept of personal space) yet the failure of cowards to admonish, correct, and, yes, punish such behaviour only enables and encourages it. Time was you'd get your ass kicked for half the stuff the cuckolded and the meek obligingly accept as inevitable nowadays, if they even notice it at all.
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  66. Bill B. says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    The stupidity of Taki's reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.

    Yes. It is slightly odd how some comment sections go feral in the blink of an eye but others stay sane. Moderation the key?

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  67. Richard S says:

    Fortunately, Stalin died before a massive persecution of Jews could be launched.

    Lol, what a coincidence! He was sure paranoid about (((doctors))), for some reason ;)

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  68. Dr. X says:

    Great article, Steve, but I fear you’re conflating the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment with the Religious Test Clause in Article VI.

    The Establishment Clause forbids the creation of an official state religion, such as the Anglican Church. The Religious Test Clause forbids religious tests for holders of public office.

    Neither has any bearing whatsoever on immigration policy.

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  69. guest says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    Where’s the revision? The above poster didn’t say nativists* welcomed Italians with open arms. They said Italians are more at home in American culture than Muslims. Which can be true even if WASPs at the time of peak Italian immigration hated those bloody papists to a man.

    “were the nativist correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?”

    If they were incorrect, does that mean people who think Muslims won’t sufficiently assimilate are incorrect, too? No. So what’s your point?

    *I’ve noticed people invoking this term a lot lately with the implication, never explained or even made explicit, that it’s supposed to be bad. Since when was “nativism” a dirty word? I must have missed that class in high school, because it doesn’t have that rhetorical effect on me.

    It’s like how you can see a neocon author shudder through the text when they write the word “isolationist.” I don’t think that term is accurately applied, but nevertheless, it doesn’t bother me. I’m an isolationist? Oh, okay, fine.

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    "Where’s the revision? The above poster didn’t say nativists* welcomed Italians with open arms. They said Italians are more at home in American culture than Muslims. Which can be true even if WASPs at the time of peak Italian immigration hated those bloody papists to a man."

    What above poster are you talking about?

    In any event, here is the revisionist history lesson. Nativists in the late 1800's claimed that the Irish and the Italians were other than capable of becoming Americanized, that these two groups were sub-human and uncivilized. In particular, nativists argued that Roman Catholicism and their cultural behaviors was incompatible with our society, that Ireland and Italy were not sending their best, but "paupers and thieves and knaves". These groups made claims to the contrary, stating that their hard work and willingness to embrace our ways of life would bear fruit for the United States over the long term. Now, the offspring of those groups--Irish and Italians--who faced the same discrimination are employing the same logic, the Bil Keane "Not Me" philosophy. The Irish and Italians faced EXACTLY the same levels of scrutiny as do Muslims, yet somehow the "well, they were white and European" card is being played here. Nativists at that time were unconvinced about the racial and ethnic composition of the incoming groups, they were deathly concerned about the composition and character of the nation forever changing for the worse.

    “were the nativist correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?”

    Simple yes or no. Again, I ask this question.

    "*I’ve noticed people invoking this term a lot lately with the implication, never explained or even made explicit, that it’s supposed to be bad. Since when was “nativism” a dirty word? I must have missed that class in high school, because it doesn’t have that rhetorical effect on me."

    Nativism--the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants.

    The issue historically has been that nativists have employed dubious scientific principles and engaged in physical violence as "evidence" that incoming groups are inferior to the founding stock of a nation.
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  70. The other thing to remember about the Ellis Island era (and earlier) is that there was absolutely no welfare state then.

    I think it was economist Milton Friedman who said you could have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Free riders would soon overwhelm the welfare state.

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    "I think it was economist Milton Friedman who said you could have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Free riders would soon overwhelm the welfare state."

    Libertarian Gary Johnson ran on the platform of open borders, but he did not promise to abolish the welfare state if he was elected POTUS in order to make up for open borders. How does that make Libertarians different from the Democrats? Milton Friedman's message unfortunately does not resonate with Libertarians.

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  71. CCZ says:

    Not sure if this pro-open borders website has been previously discussed at Unz.

    Open Borders: The Case “The Efficient, Egalitarian, Libertarian, Utilitarian Way to Double World GDP”

    https://openborders.info/blog/welcome-to-open-borders/

    The site does not provide information on who is the source of support, perhaps some readers know.

    From their introduction:

    Open borders is used to describe a world where there is a strong presumption in favor of allowing people to migrate and where this presumption can be overridden or curtailed only under exceptional circumstances.

    The goal of the website is to make the arguments for open borders, and also to explicitly discuss many arguments against open borders, evaluate their validity, and determine ways to tackle the objections.

    An example of their argument:

    Some argue that the key to bring more manufacturing back to the U.S. is the availability of a skilled workforce in the U.S., given the high tech nature of manufacturing today. However, there apparently aren’t enough American workers with the necessary skills for manufacturers to relocate to the U.S. Factory owners note that is difficult to bring manufacturing jobs back when they cannot find the talent they need to expand.

    One of the recommendations of the Brooking Institution report is to have skilled workers from other countries fill these positions. An open borders policy would make it much easier for American manufacturers to find workers for their vacant positions. Manufacturers would literally have a world of workers from which to choose. By helping to fill manufacturing positions, open borders both would encourage manufacturers to return production to the U.S. and discourage them from moving current production abroad. As previously mentioned, the expansion of manufacturing in the U.S. would ripple throughout the economy, creating more jobs for both citizens and immigrants.

    They also have a page headed by the requisite 19th century image of immigrants aboard an arriving ship looking at and standing in awe of the Statue of Liberty.

    https://www.facebook.com/OpenBordersTheCase/

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    It's a bunch of smart people, who are pretty fair-minded. Some of them figured out that my old argument about how not giving out too many citizenships is like the financial fidelity issue that corporate managements are banned from the watering the stock is a real problem for them to overcome.
    , @bomag
    When arguing with open border advocates, we are essentially arguing with economic cultists; but with the rise of tech etc., people are becoming more and more superfluous to economic activity; the contributions are made by a few at the top and the machines they inspire. Humans on the planet are becoming a vanity project. I would think the economic arguments would fall away, but the advocates even more strongly wave around their sacred texts and demand obedience to the old orthodoxy.
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  72. guest says:
    @Melendwyr
    I find the frequent references to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island immigration to be rather strange. We turned away an awful lot of the people who tried to enter through Ellis Island, even though we had invited them to attempt to enter. So it ought to be a symbol of how we're the ones who decide who gets in.

    Instead it's being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?

    “Historical ignorance, perhaps?”

    We’re living in shallow times. It’s not historical ignorance, though they probably are ignorant. It’s just that Lady Liberty has become a symbol of open borders because of that damn poem. It’s a rhetorical device which, repeated often enough, becomes the reality.

    Remembering a few lines of poetry, like remembering the “all men are created equal” part of the Declaration is a damn sight easier than studying the philosophy of the Founding Fathers or 20th century U.S. immigration policy. Sometimes shorthand, bumper-sticker history is accurate, sometimes not. In this case it’s wildly inaccurate.

    By the way, I almost never go on Twitter, but recently I stopped by comments on a Voxdotcom tweet about Trump seeking to deny social services to legal immigrants. Someone responded, “So, literally the opposite of what’s written on the Statue of Liberty. So much for the ‘Mother of Exiles.”

    Now, at least we’re talking about legal immigrants here, so this invocation is more on the money regarding the false, Lazarusian model of Liberty. But there’s nothing in that poem about social services. Of course, the idea is that Trump will incentivize them to leave by making life here as uncomfortable as possible. And there were probably some social aid programs back when that libelous poem was written.

    However, this is one example of anachronistic thinking typical of the shallows of which I spoke above. Because this tweeter is projecting backwards Current Year standards of immigrant-welcoming upon the flowery rhetoric of some poem that happened to be tacked onto the symbol of something which happened to be near where lots of immigrants arrived. So many layers of fuzzy thinking piled on top of eachother for what purpose? To pretend to a great pedigree for policies of the moment.

    The “Obey Colossus” mindset is so very pretentious.

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  73. Corvinus says:
    @Melendwyr
    I find the frequent references to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island immigration to be rather strange. We turned away an awful lot of the people who tried to enter through Ellis Island, even though we had invited them to attempt to enter. So it ought to be a symbol of how we're the ones who decide who gets in.

    Instead it's being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?

    “Instead it’s being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?”

    Except that selectiveness actually means exclusion**. Think about the Chinese. They came here in the 1860′s and 1870′s to work on the railroads. They worked hard and kept to themselves. Their reward? Congress “selected” them as being incapable of being assimilated because of their “alien customs”. Have not the Chinese proven their worth since then as being more than adept at Americanism? Do white Americans look at these Asian American counterparts today with similar disdain as Congress in that time period?

    It’s ironic those groups who had been vilified by nativists at that time use the same rationale employed by nativists today to characterize certain groups as being other than capable of being assimilated. Their ancestors today insist that because they were white and European, they could easily adapt to American customs, when in fact those nativists had believed to the contrary.

    Indeed, I hear the ghost of Bil Keane saying”Not me”.

    **Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

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    The Chinese immigrants are like WASPS, eh. Yes indeedy, like WASPS were to the Amerindians.

    Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.
     
    It's a very big world that has many hundreds of millions of meritorious people with the resources to get to the West, which is where most of them would rather be. Application of a case by case merit based admission of migrants will result in the total and irreversible displacement of the people that instituted it. And far from getting any credit, their ellipse would be accompanied by attention to ancient wrongs --to justify the boot being on the other foot. Or maybe you think it's only whites who don't play when they have power to do as they like?
    , @Paul Yarbles

    Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.
     
    I agree that there's no need to be absolutist here. But how about letting in more Europeans than non-Europeans? More Christians than non-Christians? This would reduce cultural shocks. On both sides.

    Reduce the rate. Reduce it a lot. Slow things down and the stresses and strains lessen. And the children and grandchildren of the new immigrants will enjoy a country that resembles the one they wanted to join.
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  74. President Trump will not submit. Soon-to-be Attorney General Jeff Sessions will not submit. Tens of millions of Americans will not submit. American patriots will not submit to the notion that the United States has no ancestral core nor founding stock. To hell with that.

    President Trump must bypass the corporate propaganda apparatus and the GOP open borders immigration faction to deliver his pro-sovereignty political message to the American people. President Trump seems to be very good at finding the vulnerable points in whatever obstacle is in his way at any one time.

    Whether it is an individual politician such as Jebby Bush or an organized collection of corporate propaganda whores in the media, President Trump finds a way to stop them. President Trump’s most dangerous enemy may very well be the disgusting treasonous rats in the GOP open borders immigration faction.

    Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, John McCain and many others will sneakily try to put stumbling blocks in the way of President Trump. Ryan, McConnell, Graham, McCain and many other GOP scoundrels are untrustworthy. They are just biding their time until they can once again join the Democrats in open borders immigration treason.

    President Trump will make the Democrats and the GOP open borders immigration faction submit to the will of the American people. The American people want to see illegal alien invaders deported and legal immigration greatly reduced or halted completely. President Trump and Jeff Sessions will restore the forsaken sovereignty of the United States of America.

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  75. OT: Steve, this little dust-up seems a prime example of the Coalition of the Fringes and its circular firing squad–it’s essentially rivals for the DNC chair hurling “tolerance” incantations at each other. Tolliver lost this round.

    The Democratic National Committee expelled a candidate for the committee’s chairmanship on Tuesday after he said he didn’t believe his rival should become the party’s leader because of his Muslim faith.
    Vincent Tolliver, who previously ran an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in Arkansas, told The Hill in an email he didn’t believe his rival Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn) should become chairman because of his Islamic faith, citing the religion’s positions on homosexuality.

    “His being a Muslim is precisely why DNC voters should not vote for him. Muslims discriminate against gays. Islamic law is clear on the subject, and being gay is a direct violation of it. In some Muslim countries, being gay is a crime punishable by death,” Tolliver wrote.

    Clearly, Mr. Ellison is not the person to lead the DNC or any other organization committed to not discriminating based on gender identity or sexual orientation. I’m shocked [the Human Rights Campaign] has been silent on the issue. A vote for Representative Ellison by any member of the DNC would be divisive and unconscionable, not to mention counterproductive to the immediate and necessary steps of rebuilding the Democratic Party,” he continued.

    Having participated in a forum for potential DNC Chair candidates on Saturday, Tolliver has now been expelled from the race by interim chair Donna Brazile, who described his comments as “disgusting.”

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    “The Democratic Party welcomes all Americans from all backgrounds. What we do not welcome is people discriminating against others based on who they are or how they worship,” Brazile told The Hill.

    “We expect candidates for Chair of the Party to conduct a respectful campaign based on issues. To assure that, we ask all our Chair candidates to pledge ‘to uphold the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States,’ and to participate in the process ‘in good faith.’ Mr. Tolliver’s disgusting comments attacking the religion of a fellow candidate fall far short of that standard. Accordingly, Mr. Tolliver is no longer a candidate for DNC Chair,” she continued.

    Ellison, the first Muslim American elected to Congress, is widely considered to be a frontrunner in the race to become the next DNC chair, along with Barack Obama’s former Secretary of Labor Tom Perez.

    “A few days after Donald Trump instituted a racist and unconstitutional Muslim ban, it’s disappointing that a fellow DNC candidate would fan the flames of intolerance,” Ellison’s spokesperson Brett Morrow said.

    “Keith has shown first-hand his commitment to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, organizing tirelessly against the Minnesota anti-marriage equality amendment in 2012, which led to a resounding win for love at the ballot box. Trump is taking away health care for millions of people, separating families, and alienating our allies. Keith will continue to focus on uniting the Democratic party to fight back against division and hate, and to fight for the core Democratic values of tolerance and inclusion,” he continued.

    Ellison has also faced accusations of anti-Semitism, having been described as an ‘anti-Semite’ by a leading Democratic Party donor. He is a former member of the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam, although has since distanced himself from the organization.

    The DNC chairmanship election will take place later this month, with the winner being announced February 26th.

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    Wow, it seems to be a pattern where black guys say things that any white guy would know would be suicide. He wasn't even trying to make an anti-PC point, he just didn't realise! Nobody ever taught him to check his privilege.
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  76. okie says:
    @Anon
    Trump is the national version of Pete Wilson, the one-time (and last) Republican governor of California.

    Whites in California woke up too late, elected him once, and then the demographic trends finally overwhelmed them. The US is heading in the same direction. California is always the leader in all national trends. Look at the 60s counter-culture, look at Silicon Valley, and the same holds true for politics.

    Life for (R) whites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure. He should never have been elected in normal times, but then again, we don't live in normal times.

    Naw i think Arnold is a better analogy
    he was a rep
    he tried to govern as a republican, he went around the legislature with a whole block of state questions. they all failed and and then he spent the remainder of that term and his second term as a celebutante governor, mostly going where the dem leg led.

    Trump is Arnie his in the pre-state question phase, working around the media and the centrists in the legislature to drain a swamp.
    I expect this all to come to a head late next year or early 2018, in order to give up and go to the center as a celeb if it fails, or double down on what he’s doing, if it works out.

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  77. Jefferson says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    “The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants.”

    That is another reason why comparing Italians to Muslims is comparing apples to oranges. While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants, the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam.

    “And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.”

    Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them.

    Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide. And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians.

    You look at The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren’t whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc.

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    "While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants..."

    Another False News Story on your part! It was the media who were CONSERVATIVE in their views, who sought to PRESERVE American traditions. Nativists sought to KEEP what they had.

    "the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam."

    The American press is pro-American, which includes different races, ethnicities, and religions.

    "Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them."

    Listen to yourself. You take four incidents and indict an ENTIRE group of people. I employ YOUR rationale by making reference to Italian violence to show how it can be employed to denigrate an entire people. Rather than seeing the flaw of your own logic, you double down SJW-style by completely downplaying this Italian penchant for violence. If you are going to be consistent with your OWN reasoning, admitting that both Italians and Muslims have uber-aggressive tendencies would serve you well.

    "Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide."

    Do you have any actual numbers to back up your claim?

    Since 1992, the number of Mafia murders in Italy, while on the decline, is roughly 3350 in total. That is ONLY in this country. What about the Mafia murders in the United States since the early 1900's?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10775203/Italian-mafia-murders-down-says-UN-report.html

    "And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians."

    Right, like the Sicilian Mafia, for example, has refrained from targeting the common folk and those who opposed them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_the_Sicilian_Mafia

    Remember, the Cosa Nostra demands that businesses, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, and craftsmen to pay a pizzo, or protection money, to crime syndicates controlling their area, lest their business is taken over.

    "You look at The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren’t whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc."

    The overall goal of the Italian mafia was control through fear and bloodshed. Again, if we employ YOUR logic, then you have to admit that the Italians overall have a knack for violence. It is in-born, similar to Muslims. Why do you protect a group of people who are well-known for their uber-aggressiveness?

    You're drowning in your own stupidity.
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  78. Rod1963 says:
    @Arclight
    Islamism and Progressivism both have submission are core tenets of their ideology. The modern left cares less about the implications of Islam when practiced enthusiastically than the opportunity it presents to cast others as racist, xenophobic, etc. It's practically the progressive past time to condemn fellow citizens who don't share their views and propose various ways to punish them for their heresy.

    The Left needs soldiers to carry out their agenda against more traditional whites that are resistant to their verbal outgassings and moral preening. The fact is the Left in the West is composed of loud mouthed wimps. You won’t find the sort of men who’d do what Ayers tried to do.

    Enter Islam and it’s penchant for terrorism, thuggery and colonization.

    Deal wise, it’s kind of like the late Roman Empire thinking a good replacement for the legions was hiring entire tribes of barbarians to fight for them only for the Roman elite to wake up and find out the barbarians ran everything. Or what happened when the Byzantines hired a bunch of Catalans to kick the Turks out of Greece.

    The thing is the Left and the elites not being big on history or long term thinking don’t see the implications of using Muslims for their dirty work.

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    Yeah, that may explain the Islamophilia of respectable conventional wisdom: Muslims will supply the antiFa muscle that trasgenders won't.
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  79. JohnnyGeo says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Great essay, Steve. You definitely have some interesting relations.

    I recently re-watched The Usual Suspects. Quiz time for iStevers who’ve seen the movie and haven’t read the essay: Steve Sailer or ‘Verbal’ Kint?

    I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

    Blond Russian girlfriends were an exotic innovation in American life when my lonely widower father-in-law brought one back from a trip to Leningrad in 1991 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat.

    My wife’s uncle, a U.S. Air Force colonel with a Ph.D. in metallurgy, would occasionally go spying in East Berlin and meet up with Soviet Jewish aerospace experts. He’d get the word through the grapevine that a future émigré would be sitting in a parked car on a certain East Berlin backstreet on a certain evening.

    It didn't make sense that I'd be there. I mean, these guys were hard-core hijackers, but there I was. At that point I wasn't scared, I knew I hadn't done anything they could do me for. Besides, it was fun. I got to make like I was notorious.

    In response, my cousin’s boss authored the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to force the Soviets to let Jews and other religious minorities out.

    The Russification of parts of Los Angeles has been an underreported story. Initially, the ex-Soviet arrivals were largely Jewish. But increasingly the Russians are their Slavic distant relatives and neighbors.

    For example, when my nephew stayed with us a few years ago, he played on two soccer teams at the local park. There was a petty gang of Hungarians that wanted their own mob. They realized that to be in power you didn't need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn't.

    The other team was made up of tall, blond, blue-eyed Russian speakers. They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.

    I recall all this history about how the U.S. government has chosen to give immigration privileges to some foreign religious groups and not to others. But many pundits can’t seem to remember much of anything. All that matters to them is knowing who are supposed to be the good guys and who the bad guys.

    What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.
     

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  80. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    Trump is the national version of Pete Wilson, the one-time (and last) Republican governor of California.

    Whites in California woke up too late, elected him once, and then the demographic trends finally overwhelmed them. The US is heading in the same direction. California is always the leader in all national trends. Look at the 60s counter-culture, look at Silicon Valley, and the same holds true for politics.

    Life for (R) whites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure. He should never have been elected in normal times, but then again, we don't live in normal times.

    “But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure.”

    How the hell do you know Donald J. Trump’s presidency will end up in failure when he has only been POTUS for 12 days. So far he has been doing nothing but winning, promising to do things he said he would do.

    “He should never have been elected”

    Of course you believe Donald J. Trump should have never been elected POTUS because you are a Cuck for Muslims.

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  81. Yak-15 says:
    @Melendwyr
    I find the frequent references to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island immigration to be rather strange. We turned away an awful lot of the people who tried to enter through Ellis Island, even though we had invited them to attempt to enter. So it ought to be a symbol of how we're the ones who decide who gets in.

    Instead it's being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?

    True

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  82. snorlax says:

    Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/01/dnc-chairman-candidate-expelled-race-criticising-islam/

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    Like I said before: #MuslimParty.

    The Democrats current radical, fanatical looniness over Trump has made me think it's almost as if they've been mentally taken over by Islamists. Certainly as least some cross-pollination could be going on. Their attempts at scorched-earth tactics are probably turning counterproductive (I've seen many interpretations today that the Gorsuch SCOTUS nomination is a trap to lure the Democrats into frittering away the filibuster).

    Anyway, Donkey sucide bomber? (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/KG3/RedSq_Donkey-Suicide_Democr.jpg)
    , @whorefinder
    I bet that Trump got a larger percentage of the out-of-the-closet gay vote this election than any Republican in a long time, though most will never admit to it.

    The more aware ones get that Trump isn't against gays at all, and with gay marriage installed, there really isn't much of any issue to go for---and gays think trannies are weirdos. As Milo and the rest of the GOProud have shown, especially after the Orlando Massacre, gays are starting to get that more immigration=more gay murders, and not just more gay middle eastern rent boys who are "gay for pay."

    I'm saying the D's stand to lose a lot of power and money if they choose Muslims over Gays, which they are currently doing. Yes, the Saudis will pick up much of the slack, but the outsized cultural influence of gays can't be discounted.

    This bodes well for Trump, since many gays work in Hollywood. This could aid him in persuasion later. Heck, it's probably some gays in the media who are deliberately exciting the anti-Trump hysteria just to make the Left look bad and strengthen Trump's grip.

    Fear is huge motivator. Gays fear violent Islam.

    , @CCZ
    Mr. Tolliver’s DNC candidate’s statement listed his proposal for two new DNC Vice-Chairs (among others):

    Vice Chair #1: Liaison for Rural America

    Vice Chair #2: Liaison for Angry White Males

    Guess those are not DNC priorities.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/letter-to-dnc-voters-and-fellow-democrats_us_587edfdfe4b06a0baf649193
    , @Jefferson
    "Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all."

    Gavin McInnes recently interviewed a Gay Donald J. Trump supporter who said he didn't leave The Democratic Party, The Democratic Party left him.

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  83. Thomas says:
    @snorlax
    Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/01/dnc-chairman-candidate-expelled-race-criticising-islam/

    Like I said before: #MuslimParty.

    The Democrats current radical, fanatical looniness over Trump has made me think it’s almost as if they’ve been mentally taken over by Islamists. Certainly as least some cross-pollination could be going on. Their attempts at scorched-earth tactics are probably turning counterproductive (I’ve seen many interpretations today that the Gorsuch SCOTUS nomination is a trap to lure the Democrats into frittering away the filibuster).

    Anyway, Donkey sucide bomber? (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/KG3/RedSq_Donkey-Suicide_Democr.jpg)

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    Like I said before: #MuslimParty.

    The Democrats current radical, fanatical looniness over Trump has made me think it’s almost as if they’ve been mentally taken over by Islamists.
     
    They're not pro-Muslim. They're anti-Christian and anti-American. They're simply playing the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" game.
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  84. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "Instead it’s being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?"

    Except that selectiveness actually means exclusion**. Think about the Chinese. They came here in the 1860's and 1870's to work on the railroads. They worked hard and kept to themselves. Their reward? Congress "selected" them as being incapable of being assimilated because of their "alien customs". Have not the Chinese proven their worth since then as being more than adept at Americanism? Do white Americans look at these Asian American counterparts today with similar disdain as Congress in that time period?

    It's ironic those groups who had been vilified by nativists at that time use the same rationale employed by nativists today to characterize certain groups as being other than capable of being assimilated. Their ancestors today insist that because they were white and European, they could easily adapt to American customs, when in fact those nativists had believed to the contrary.

    Indeed, I hear the ghost of Bil Keane saying"Not me".

    **Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

    The Chinese immigrants are like WASPS, eh. Yes indeedy, like WASPS were to the Amerindians.

    Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

    It’s a very big world that has many hundreds of millions of meritorious people with the resources to get to the West, which is where most of them would rather be. Application of a case by case merit based admission of migrants will result in the total and irreversible displacement of the people that instituted it. And far from getting any credit, their ellipse would be accompanied by attention to ancient wrongs –to justify the boot being on the other foot. Or maybe you think it’s only whites who don’t play when they have power to do as they like?

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    "The Chinese immigrants are like WASPS, eh."

    Indeed. Both are civilized.

    "Yes indeedy, like WASPS were to the Amerindians."

    The Amerindians were here in North America first. The Europeans just had to have their land.

    "It’s a very big world that has many hundreds of millions of meritorious people with the resources to get to the West, which is where most of them would rather be."

    No. Only those who are refugees or political dissidents want to come to the West. Most desire to remain in their stable homelands.

    "Application of a case by case merit based admission of migrants will result in the total and irreversible displacement of the people that instituted it."

    The people who instituted this admission process were the Founding Fathers, who granted future generations via Congress to set the criteria. There is no displacement taking place here.
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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Great article by iSteve but ignorant comments here.

    This formulation: Trump = Gov Pete Wilson … does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.

    There are amazing reports on Breitbart this week on immigration. Trump/Bannon look to change the facts on the ground nationwide. It’s called sea change and unlike Wilson Trump has the power.

    Besides all of that CA is now firmly planted in America’s imagination as a cautionary tale. The jig is up.

    Also who cares if some immigrant groups were “mistreated” in the past. Being allowed to immigrate here at all is a great great act of generosity compared to most of the rest of the world. No apologies. You don’t like it here then get out. We have been way too soft on newcomers for decades mild mistreatments serve to keep asses in line and dissuade the lowlifes from hanging around…. .

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    There are amazing reports on Breitbart this week on immigration. Trump/Bannon look to change the facts on the ground nationwide.

    Do you have a few links?
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    ' Trump = Gov Pete Wilson … does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.'


    Speaking of CA... many libs in that state are now talking about possibly seceding from the Union. Too bad Californians in the 1990s weren't informed that this was on their slate of options after having their expressed desire of halting the demographic ruination of their state scuttled by a single (!) Jimmy Carter-appointed federal judge when she put an indefinite hold on implementing Proposition 187. Pete Wilson should have played hardball w/ the feds by declaring "that if you won't stop and reverse illegal immigration into our state in a reasonable time frame (or at least let us enforce Prop 187) we will hold referendum on seceding from the US.

    Lesson to the rest of America: If Trump fails to do anything meaningful on immigration because the liberal elites stage a successful coup d'état on the voters' will via the Courts, secession will quite probably be your best option.

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  87. Chebyshev says:

    Wow, Steve, you have a really interesting family.

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    Not really, but I am pretty good at relating family memories to historical events and current issues.
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  88. @Corvinus
    "Instead it’s being used as a symbol of the idea that selectiveness is out of the question. Historical ignorance, perhaps?"

    Except that selectiveness actually means exclusion**. Think about the Chinese. They came here in the 1860's and 1870's to work on the railroads. They worked hard and kept to themselves. Their reward? Congress "selected" them as being incapable of being assimilated because of their "alien customs". Have not the Chinese proven their worth since then as being more than adept at Americanism? Do white Americans look at these Asian American counterparts today with similar disdain as Congress in that time period?

    It's ironic those groups who had been vilified by nativists at that time use the same rationale employed by nativists today to characterize certain groups as being other than capable of being assimilated. Their ancestors today insist that because they were white and European, they could easily adapt to American customs, when in fact those nativists had believed to the contrary.

    Indeed, I hear the ghost of Bil Keane saying"Not me".

    **Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

    Of course, Congress has the liberty to selectively decide who enters country and in what numbers. That is the will of the people. Exclusion of Muslims? Not on board with that approach. Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.

    I agree that there’s no need to be absolutist here. But how about letting in more Europeans than non-Europeans? More Christians than non-Christians? This would reduce cultural shocks. On both sides.

    Reduce the rate. Reduce it a lot. Slow things down and the stresses and strains lessen. And the children and grandchildren of the new immigrants will enjoy a country that resembles the one they wanted to join.

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  89. whorefinder says: • Website
    @snorlax
    Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/01/dnc-chairman-candidate-expelled-race-criticising-islam/

    I bet that Trump got a larger percentage of the out-of-the-closet gay vote this election than any Republican in a long time, though most will never admit to it.

    The more aware ones get that Trump isn’t against gays at all, and with gay marriage installed, there really isn’t much of any issue to go for—and gays think trannies are weirdos. As Milo and the rest of the GOProud have shown, especially after the Orlando Massacre, gays are starting to get that more immigration=more gay murders, and not just more gay middle eastern rent boys who are “gay for pay.”

    I’m saying the D’s stand to lose a lot of power and money if they choose Muslims over Gays, which they are currently doing. Yes, the Saudis will pick up much of the slack, but the outsized cultural influence of gays can’t be discounted.

    This bodes well for Trump, since many gays work in Hollywood. This could aid him in persuasion later. Heck, it’s probably some gays in the media who are deliberately exciting the anti-Trump hysteria just to make the Left look bad and strengthen Trump’s grip.

    Fear is huge motivator. Gays fear violent Islam.

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  90. CCZ says:
    @snorlax
    Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/01/dnc-chairman-candidate-expelled-race-criticising-islam/

    Mr. Tolliver’s DNC candidate’s statement listed his proposal for two new DNC Vice-Chairs (among others):

    Vice Chair #1: Liaison for Rural America

    Vice Chair #2: Liaison for Angry White Males

    Guess those are not DNC priorities.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/letter-to-dnc-voters-and-fellow-democrats_us_587edfdfe4b06a0baf649193

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  91. Wall Street Journal owner Rupert Murdoch and WSJ editorial page editor Paul Gigot may surpass most Jews in their support for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Gigot is notorious for allowing Jewish writers to push for mass immigration in the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal. Very rarely does Gigot allow a writer from the European Christian ancestral core of the USA make the case for immigration reductions.

    Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens is a Jewish writer who routinely states that European Christian Americans are not the ancestral core of the United States. Stephens thinks that there is no ancestral core of the United Sates. Bret Stephens is dead wrong.

    Bret Stephens has recently praised a bit of slop written by another Jewish person who does not recognize that the USA is a European Christian nation-state.

    Gigot saw fit to add to the Ellis Island emotionalism by allowing a WSJ associate book review editor by the name of Bari Weiss write a vapid piece on the protests surrounding President Trump’s decision to temporarily suspend some refugee admissions into the USA.

    The Wall Street Journal article was entitled “A Trump Protest Under Lady Liberty’s Gaze.” The female Jew who wrote the article is no friend of the European Christian ancestral core of the USA. Her intention in the article was to use the imposition of White guilt as a weapon to smash her enemies. We know what your doing.

    Rupert Murdoch, Paul Gigot, Bret Stephens and Bari Weiss all push open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. President Trump and American patriots will no longer pay any attention to the politically correct crap that is destroying us.

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  92. @Chebyshev
    Wow, Steve, you have a really interesting family.

    Not really, but I am pretty good at relating family memories to historical events and current issues.

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  93. Dr. Doom says:

    Somebody had to post this, it may as well be me:

    Its not Nucular, its Demographics that killed the World.

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    Its not Nucular, its Demographics that killed the World.
     
    Just wanted you to know, some of did get the layers of reference in that very clever line.
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  94. Broski says:

    So as Marquez was the 2015 Male of the Year, who was 2016′s?

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    Nominations?
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  95. @CCZ
    Not sure if this pro-open borders website has been previously discussed at Unz.

    Open Borders: The Case "The Efficient, Egalitarian, Libertarian, Utilitarian Way to Double World GDP"

    https://openborders.info/blog/welcome-to-open-borders/

     

    The site does not provide information on who is the source of support, perhaps some readers know.

    From their introduction:


    Open borders is used to describe a world where there is a strong presumption in favor of allowing people to migrate and where this presumption can be overridden or curtailed only under exceptional circumstances.

    The goal of the website is to make the arguments for open borders, and also to explicitly discuss many arguments against open borders, evaluate their validity, and determine ways to tackle the objections.
     

    An example of their argument:

    Some argue that the key to bring more manufacturing back to the U.S. is the availability of a skilled workforce in the U.S., given the high tech nature of manufacturing today. However, there apparently aren’t enough American workers with the necessary skills for manufacturers to relocate to the U.S. Factory owners note that is difficult to bring manufacturing jobs back when they cannot find the talent they need to expand.

    One of the recommendations of the Brooking Institution report is to have skilled workers from other countries fill these positions. An open borders policy would make it much easier for American manufacturers to find workers for their vacant positions. Manufacturers would literally have a world of workers from which to choose. By helping to fill manufacturing positions, open borders both would encourage manufacturers to return production to the U.S. and discourage them from moving current production abroad. As previously mentioned, the expansion of manufacturing in the U.S. would ripple throughout the economy, creating more jobs for both citizens and immigrants.

     

    They also have a page headed by the requisite 19th century image of immigrants aboard an arriving ship looking at and standing in awe of the Statue of Liberty.

    https://www.facebook.com/OpenBordersTheCase/

    It’s a bunch of smart people, who are pretty fair-minded. Some of them figured out that my old argument about how not giving out too many citizenships is like the financial fidelity issue that corporate managements are banned from the watering the stock is a real problem for them to overcome.

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  96. @Broski
    So as Marquez was the 2015 Male of the Year, who was 2016's?

    Nominations?

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    Robby Mook.
    , @Desiderius
    There's only one serious candidate.
    , @Broski
    Ben Rhodes, explicitly stating the media are nitwits who Obama hoodwinked on Iran
    Jeb!, though his February dropout was a little early for an annual title
    Podesta, whose phishing foibles likely cost Hillary the presidency
    Anthony Weiner remains evergreen
    Sadiq Khan would be good, but hasn't been a major subject of ISteve discussion

    If this were a non-satirical award the winner should be you. 2016 brought together things you've been discussing since the turn of the century that nobody else saw.

    , @snorlax
    There are really only two possible choices:

    1. When he started out, everyone was saying "oh, he'll never be Man of the Year." Can you believe that? That's what they were all saying, and everyone was saying "oh, they're so smart, he's done, he's done." We need to get some people who are gonna be a lot tougher and a lot smarter, which is what we've been lacking. And now, everyone is saying, and it's such a beautiful thing, that he's not only the Man of the Year, but even of the last 40 years. Maybe ever. Maybe even ever.

    2. History. Destiny. New York. One man. One weiner.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Can't say for sure who might be 'Male of the Year'

    But I do know who's got 'They of the Year' sewn up ;)
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  97. The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.

    –Barack Hussein Obama, Sept. 25, 2012

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  98. Dissident says:
    @Anon
    Top contenders for the neo-god to submit to.

    Sharia
    Jewria
    Whoria
    Gayria
    Brahmia
    Afria

    pros and cons

    1. Sharia

    Pros: Lots of Muslims in the world. Fastest growing faith. Militant. Passionate. Confident.

    Cons. Too much diversity of race and sects has Muslims killing Muslims. Cousin marriage and genetic problems. Aesthetically atrocious in clothing and style.

    2. Jewria

    Pros: High IQ. Holocaust Cult in the West. Control of elite institutions. Unlimited Cash. High verbal ability. Israel as regional superpower. Media control.

    Cons: Low birthrate among secular Jews and too much mixing. Rise of BDS and resentment of Jewish success or power. Jews increasingly seen as 'white'. Jewish anti-white-ism boomeranging on Jews. Small minority.



    3. Whoria

    Pros: High market value in pop culture.

    Cons: No matter how high the price, meat on the auction bloc.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    5. Brahmia.

    Pros: India to surpass China in population. Increasing emigration. Lots of talent and endless cheap labor in India. Good with English and Anglo culture.

    Cons: Messy, disoriented, and mostly unpleasant to outsiders with all that Babu antics.

    6. Afria

    Pros: Cool factor and badass factor due to music and sports. Jungle fever among the ho's. White cuck males worshiping Negroes. MLK and Mandela myths. Super-high-birthrates in Africa.

    Cons: Stupid, childish, destructive, dangerous, obnoxious, hollerish, and insane.

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    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Only Jews who reject or completely pervert Judaism. (Alas, such individuals now make-up the majority of those ethnically or genetically Jewish.) You may not like (even authentic) Judaism but at least be accurate and honest enough not to confuse or conflate it with Cultural Marxism/SJW-ism. Judaism, as anyone at all actually familiar with it would know, is quite unequivocal and unambiguous in condemning homosexual behavior.

    [MORE]

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    Oh, it’s much more than that.

    First, the hideous reality of male homosexual buggery (i.e., anal penetration) alone is that it is an inordinately disease-promoting, gruesome and brutal* pseudo sex act. Defiant indulgence in this anatomically and physiologically unsound, inherently unhygienic but completely voluntary* behavior continues to come at a heavy a price in already-strained public health resources, to say nothing of human lives. And since these are communicable diseases we are dealing with, their proliferation places everyone at some degree of risk (health care workers and blood transfusion recipients would seem the most obvious but even anyone who merely spends any time in a hospital, for example, is subject to some degree of risk as well).

    *Graphic content

    That would be more than bad enough. The perniciousness, often quite insidious, of the “LGBTQ” lobby and its agenda, however, does not end with the mere sanction, promotion and subsidization of buggery alone but goes much farther. Nor even does it end with transmania, as utterly insane and truly corrosive and dangerous that is. (So much so that it has gone too far even for a number of “respectables” who have been fully-on board for the rest of the “LGBT”, or at least “LGB”, agenda.)

    Obviously, this thread is not the place to elaborate much further. Its title, however, does provide a segue to mention what is perhaps the least recognized (or, at any rate, least acknowledged) area in which “LGBTQ” indoctrination– specifically, the incredible success it has had in normalizing anal buggery– has contributed to societal dissolution. This is the increased incidence of this vile practice among heterosexuals. Females have faced increased pressure from their male partners to submit to this dangerous, painful and humiliating act. Can anyone doubt the convenient expedience in persuading their invariably (instinctively) reluctant female partners (or, perhaps more accurately, toys) that resorting to the “homophobia” card has provided for these young, porn-fueled males? (“What’s the matter, Suzy, you’re not homophobic [sic] now, are you?” “Millions of ‘gays’ can’t be wrong…”) That’s a real war on women– and girls. But don’t expect to see much indignation about it from the likes of the “pussy”-hatted marchers.

    (As a currently popular to transgress taboo among youth, buggery, particularly of the heterosexual variety, is said to have taken the place that fellatio previously held. The taboo and stigma of the latter no doubt having been considerably lessened during Bill Clinton’s Presidency, as a direct result of the Lewinsky scandal and the lurid headlines it generated.)

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    If there was a single reason why I became furious and signed on with the alt-right, even with people who probably want me exterminated, is because the homomania people brought about the pronoun "they" and began to force people to agree to it.

    I couldn't do that. That was my last straw. Let the world burn.
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  99. @Steve Sailer
    Nominations?

    Robby Mook.

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  100. Altai says:
    @Manfred Arcane
    OT: Steve, this little dust-up seems a prime example of the Coalition of the Fringes and its circular firing squad--it's essentially rivals for the DNC chair hurling "tolerance" incantations at each other. Tolliver lost this round.

    The Democratic National Committee expelled a candidate for the committee’s chairmanship on Tuesday after he said he didn’t believe his rival should become the party’s leader because of his Muslim faith.
    Vincent Tolliver, who previously ran an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in Arkansas, told The Hill in an email he didn’t believe his rival Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn) should become chairman because of his Islamic faith, citing the religion’s positions on homosexuality.

    “His being a Muslim is precisely why DNC voters should not vote for him. Muslims discriminate against gays. Islamic law is clear on the subject, and being gay is a direct violation of it. In some Muslim countries, being gay is a crime punishable by death,” Tolliver wrote.

    Clearly, Mr. Ellison is not the person to lead the DNC or any other organization committed to not discriminating based on gender identity or sexual orientation. I’m shocked [the Human Rights Campaign] has been silent on the issue. A vote for Representative Ellison by any member of the DNC would be divisive and unconscionable, not to mention counterproductive to the immediate and necessary steps of rebuilding the Democratic Party,” he continued.

    Having participated in a forum for potential DNC Chair candidates on Saturday, Tolliver has now been expelled from the race by interim chair Donna Brazile, who described his comments as “disgusting.”



    “The Democratic Party welcomes all Americans from all backgrounds. What we do not welcome is people discriminating against others based on who they are or how they worship,” Brazile told The Hill.

    “We expect candidates for Chair of the Party to conduct a respectful campaign based on issues. To assure that, we ask all our Chair candidates to pledge ‘to uphold the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States,’ and to participate in the process ‘in good faith.’ Mr. Tolliver’s disgusting comments attacking the religion of a fellow candidate fall far short of that standard. Accordingly, Mr. Tolliver is no longer a candidate for DNC Chair,” she continued.

    Ellison, the first Muslim American elected to Congress, is widely considered to be a frontrunner in the race to become the next DNC chair, along with Barack Obama’s former Secretary of Labor Tom Perez.

    “A few days after Donald Trump instituted a racist and unconstitutional Muslim ban, it’s disappointing that a fellow DNC candidate would fan the flames of intolerance,” Ellison’s spokesperson Brett Morrow said.

    “Keith has shown first-hand his commitment to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, organizing tirelessly against the Minnesota anti-marriage equality amendment in 2012, which led to a resounding win for love at the ballot box. Trump is taking away health care for millions of people, separating families, and alienating our allies. Keith will continue to focus on uniting the Democratic party to fight back against division and hate, and to fight for the core Democratic values of tolerance and inclusion,” he continued.

    Ellison has also faced accusations of anti-Semitism, having been described as an ‘anti-Semite’ by a leading Democratic Party donor. He is a former member of the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam, although has since distanced himself from the organization.

    The DNC chairmanship election will take place later this month, with the winner being announced February 26th.

    Wow, it seems to be a pattern where black guys say things that any white guy would know would be suicide. He wasn’t even trying to make an anti-PC point, he just didn’t realise! Nobody ever taught him to check his privilege.

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    Nominations?

    There’s only one serious candidate.

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  102. Broski says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Nominations?

    Ben Rhodes, explicitly stating the media are nitwits who Obama hoodwinked on Iran
    Jeb!, though his February dropout was a little early for an annual title
    Podesta, whose phishing foibles likely cost Hillary the presidency
    Anthony Weiner remains evergreen
    Sadiq Khan would be good, but hasn’t been a major subject of ISteve discussion

    If this were a non-satirical award the winner should be you. 2016 brought together things you’ve been discussing since the turn of the century that nobody else saw.

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  103. @Anonymous
    Great article by iSteve but ignorant comments here.

    This formulation: Trump = Gov Pete Wilson ... does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.

    There are amazing reports on Breitbart this week on immigration. Trump/Bannon look to change the facts on the ground nationwide. It's called sea change and unlike Wilson Trump has the power.

    Besides all of that CA is now firmly planted in America's imagination as a cautionary tale. The jig is up.

    Also who cares if some immigrant groups were "mistreated" in the past. Being allowed to immigrate here at all is a great great act of generosity compared to most of the rest of the world. No apologies. You don't like it here then get out. We have been way too soft on newcomers for decades mild mistreatments serve to keep asses in line and dissuade the lowlifes from hanging around.... .

    There are amazing reports on Breitbart this week on immigration. Trump/Bannon look to change the facts on the ground nationwide.

    Do you have a few links?

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  104. @Abe

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.
     
    I took an Italian films class in college once, and so I can remember some instances of this same claim (the Italian masses not being really fit for democracy because they'd simply vote the way their priests told them to) being made by many in the notoriously reactionary Italian filmmaker community- oh wait, those were progressive socialists and communists. Well, maybe I'm thinking about the attitudes of notoriously reactionary French filmmaking community... no, those were socialists and communists too. Maybe it was those notoriously reactionary Spanish filmmakers...

    JFK’s celebrated 1960 speech to Protestant ministers is widely assumed to have been JFK telling off the WASPs for their anti-Catholic bigotry. But instead, when Rick Santorum finally read it he was shocked by how JFK meekly promised the Protestants that he wouldn’t follow the Pope’s demands.

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    Steve:

    Nah. At the time of his speech my ethnic parents regarding it as absolute capitulation to the Protestant divines gathered in Houston.

    As usual, Santorum was late in getting the message.
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  105. Melendwyr says: • Website

    With good reason. The Pope was a major player in European politics for centuries, and a serious player in Italian politics for even longer.

    In this day and age, when the Catholic Church is a shadow of its former self and most of its own followers don’t consider it to have authority over their lives, it’s easy to forget what a very real power it had over lives and behaviors in the past. The fear that JFK would obey the Pope rather than fulfill his sworn obligations may have been overblown, but it wasn’t irrational.

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  106. Jefferson says:
    @snorlax
    Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/01/dnc-chairman-candidate-expelled-race-criticising-islam/

    “Fairly-on-topic: Gay black guy expelled from the DNC chairman race for criticizing Muslim treatment of gays. Muslims now officially the Holiest, Most Sacred minority of all.”

    Gavin McInnes recently interviewed a Gay Donald J. Trump supporter who said he didn’t leave The Democratic Party, The Democratic Party left him.

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  107. OT, but UK MPs have just voted overwhelmingly to give Theresa May authority to trigger Article 50 – the EU treaty clause which provides for the process of leaving the union.

    Also OT, this remarkable court case. I know the UK family courts are big on privacy, but I’m pretty sure that if a Christian woman wanted to (successfully) deny access to the (now transgender) father of her kids on the grounds that her Christian school and community would (illegally) ostracise her and the kids if s/he was ever in the same room as them, it would be a worldwide story and there would be op-eds galore (not least in the Guardian) decrying the appalling Christian bigots.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/30/transgender-woman-denied-direct-access-to-ultra-orthodox-jewish-children

    The birth mother insisted that allowing her former husband access to the children would lead to them being ostracised by their community, a view that was supported by submissions to the court by the children’s teachers. Evidence provided by the mother suggested that the children would be barred from attending Orthodox Jewish schools if they had contact with their transgender parent.

    The judge also stated that the practices within the community and the schools could amount to “unlawful discrimination against and victimisation” of the claimant and her children. Nevertheless, the practices were relevant to the custody hearing: “The fact that the practices may be unlawful does not mean that they do not exist.”

    In his judgment, Jackson wrote: “These children are caught between two apparently incompatible ways of living, led by tiny minorities within society at large. Both minorities enjoy the protection of the law: on the one hand the right of religious freedom, and on the other the right to equal treatment.”

    He added: “Despite its antiquity, Jewish law is no more than 3,500 years old, while gender dysphoria will doubtless have existed throughout the 120,000 years that homo sapiens have been on earth. Both sides of the question must therefore receive careful attention.”

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  108. Dr. X says:
    @Thomas
    Like I said before: #MuslimParty.

    The Democrats current radical, fanatical looniness over Trump has made me think it's almost as if they've been mentally taken over by Islamists. Certainly as least some cross-pollination could be going on. Their attempts at scorched-earth tactics are probably turning counterproductive (I've seen many interpretations today that the Gorsuch SCOTUS nomination is a trap to lure the Democrats into frittering away the filibuster).

    Anyway, Donkey sucide bomber? (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/KG3/RedSq_Donkey-Suicide_Democr.jpg)

    Like I said before: #MuslimParty.

    The Democrats current radical, fanatical looniness over Trump has made me think it’s almost as if they’ve been mentally taken over by Islamists.

    They’re not pro-Muslim. They’re anti-Christian and anti-American. They’re simply playing the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” game.

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  109. @Dissident

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.
     
    Only Jews who reject or completely pervert Judaism. (Alas, such individuals now make-up the majority of those ethnically or genetically Jewish.) You may not like (even authentic) Judaism but at least be accurate and honest enough not to confuse or conflate it with Cultural Marxism/SJW-ism. Judaism, as anyone at all actually familiar with it would know, is quite unequivocal and unambiguous in condemning homosexual behavior.


    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.
     
    Oh, it's much more than that.

    First, the hideous reality of male homosexual buggery (i.e., anal penetration) alone is that it is an inordinately disease-promoting, gruesome and brutal* pseudo sex act. Defiant indulgence in this anatomically and physiologically unsound, inherently unhygienic but completely voluntary* behavior continues to come at a heavy a price in already-strained public health resources, to say nothing of human lives. And since these are communicable diseases we are dealing with, their proliferation places everyone at some degree of risk (health care workers and blood transfusion recipients would seem the most obvious but even anyone who merely spends any time in a hospital, for example, is subject to some degree of risk as well).

    *Graphic content

    That would be more than bad enough. The perniciousness, often quite insidious, of the "LGBTQ" lobby and its agenda, however, does not end with the mere sanction, promotion and subsidization of buggery alone but goes much farther. Nor even does it end with transmania, as utterly insane and truly corrosive and dangerous that is. (So much so that it has gone too far even for a number of "respectables" who have been fully-on board for the rest of the "LGBT", or at least "LGB", agenda.)

    Obviously, this thread is not the place to elaborate much further. Its title, however, does provide a segue to mention what is perhaps the least recognized (or, at any rate, least acknowledged) area in which "LGBTQ" indoctrination-- specifically, the incredible success it has had in normalizing anal buggery-- has contributed to societal dissolution. This is the increased incidence of this vile practice among heterosexuals. Females have faced increased pressure from their male partners to submit to this dangerous, painful and humiliating act. Can anyone doubt the convenient expedience in persuading their invariably (instinctively) reluctant female partners (or, perhaps more accurately, toys) that resorting to the "homophobia" card has provided for these young, porn-fueled males? ("What's the matter, Suzy, you're not homophobic [sic] now, are you?" "Millions of 'gays' can't be wrong...") That's a real war on women-- and girls. But don't expect to see much indignation about it from the likes of the "pussy"-hatted marchers.

    (As a currently popular to transgress taboo among youth, buggery, particularly of the heterosexual variety, is said to have taken the place that fellatio previously held. The taboo and stigma of the latter no doubt having been considerably lessened during Bill Clinton's Presidency, as a direct result of the Lewinsky scandal and the lurid headlines it generated.)

    If there was a single reason why I became furious and signed on with the alt-right, even with people who probably want me exterminated, is because the homomania people brought about the pronoun “they” and began to force people to agree to it.

    I couldn’t do that. That was my last straw. Let the world burn.

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    No one on the alt right wants to exterminate you. At some level, I think you know that.
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  110. @inertial
    Yet another Russia-themed column. A few nitpicking notes.

    However, they could vacation in East Berlin
     
    A common Soviet citizen couldn't just up and go vacation in East Berlin. This is triply true for Jewish refusenik airspace engineers. Either your wife’s uncle misremembers something or he was played by the KGB.

    As Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin liked to say, the only principle that they cared about is “Who? Whom?”
     
    Lenin said only once in a totally different context (it was a warning.) Don't know about the others, but even if they said it, it must have been, again, a different context. That's because expression “Who? Whom?” doesn't mean in Russian what you think it means. The actual meaning of it is "there is a fight on and the outcome is uncertain."

    They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.
     
    Don't know about “Hey You;” in my experience ethnic Russians in California (who tend to be very smart computer programmers) are quite polite. Unsmiling, yes, very true. In Russian culture no smile is better than insincere smile. So, whereas the Russians here come across as gloomy, severe, brooding, etc., Russian visitors to America report back home that America is a land of "fake smiles." To a Russian, this sounds like a horrible place.

    Thank you for that link on Russian smiling, interesting and useful.

    https://in.rbth.com/arts/2013/11/29/ten_reasons_why_russians_dont_smile_much_31259

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    You're welcome. Russians say that if you smile at strangers you are either Chinese, or American, or else an idiot.

    There is a story I heard which is supposedly true. It's not about Russia but another unsmiling culture, Finland.

    Two Americans go to a restaurant in Finland. They are served by a Finnish waitress. The service is very good but she never cracks a smile. One American makes a remark to this effect in the waitress's hearing. He thinks she can't understand him but he doesn't realize that in Finland everyone speaks fluent English. So the woman turns around and exclaims, "I don't have to smile! I have an honest job!"
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  111. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill B.

    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.
     
    But they ain't got the IQ across the board like the Chinese.

    I heard John Mearsheimer do one of his big realpolitik presentations where he waved away India's importance as nugatory because of the "human capital" problem. No one argued with him.

    But sure Indians are quite good at elbowing themselves to the front of a crowd of Westerners.

    “But they ain’t got the IQ across the board like the Chinese.”

    But that is now an advantage in a way.

    Look at East Asia. Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and even urban areas of mainland China.

    Because of across-the-board decent IQ and education culture, ‘elitism’ has been universalized. There is virtual universal college education, and that means everyone wants ‘clean’ job and disdains ‘dirty job’. Since not all can make it, many commit suicide, prefer fantasy of good life in soap opera, or emigrate and lose identity/culture as East Asian culture has no currency outside Asia(and not even there as Japanese fixated on cartoons and others wanna be cartoons).
    So, East Asian IQ advantage had the effect of spreading universal elitism among the people. So, people who go to college but don’t make it don’t want work at lower job.
    Singapore and South Korea are going for mass immigration, and Japanese corporations are also pressuring the government to take in more.
    Also, due to elitism, no one wants to have children UNLESS the kid has chance of making it in school and work.

    In contrast, India has good amount of real talent at the top. Lots of smart people there. But it also has a quasi-caste system(still) where lots of people are on the bottom and don’t expect their lives to improve much.
    East Asian Confucian class system ideally says EVERYONE should be upper-crust person with clean dignified job. In the past, such was availed to just a few since most couldn’t afford education. Now, education, even college education, has been universalized, and so EVERY East Asian wants the best and has turned finicky. They don’t want children if the kids will grow up to be working class or do manual labor. East Asians look down on such jobs as low and dirty and import foreigners to do them. This will lead to demographic loss of land in long run, but then, East Asian elites, so slavish to be part of globalist elites, don’t care if they lose their nation as long as they can go to Western nations and have a good life.

    In contrast, the caste-mentality still exists in India. So, a lot of people are okay with being born into lower status and doing what they’re supposed to do. It’s Karma. So, whereas East Asia has lots of brain power but losing out demographically in labor power, India will have both lots of brain power and labor power(among lower quasi-castes).

    Karma may beat Chun-Tzu. India will have lots of brains and hands, whereas East Asia only wants brains but no hands. Indeed, India may colonize other East Asian nations that have brains but no hands. Indian hands will go there and plant their feet on the ground and eventually take over.

    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

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    The thing here is that manual labor and lower class jobs look to be all done by machine in the future. The competitive edge will come from skull work at the highest levels; bet on the smartest work force.
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  112. snorlax says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Nominations?

    There are really only two possible choices:

    1. When he started out, everyone was saying “oh, he’ll never be Man of the Year.” Can you believe that? That’s what they were all saying, and everyone was saying “oh, they’re so smart, he’s done, he’s done.” We need to get some people who are gonna be a lot tougher and a lot smarter, which is what we’ve been lacking. And now, everyone is saying, and it’s such a beautiful thing, that he’s not only the Man of the Year, but even of the last 40 years. Maybe ever. Maybe even ever.

    2. History. Destiny. New York. One man. One weiner.

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  113. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Steve, your writing has sucked ever since the election. I say this only to motivate you.

    The new article is one of his best.

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  114. @Daniel Chieh
    If there was a single reason why I became furious and signed on with the alt-right, even with people who probably want me exterminated, is because the homomania people brought about the pronoun "they" and began to force people to agree to it.

    I couldn't do that. That was my last straw. Let the world burn.

    No one on the alt right wants to exterminate you. At some level, I think you know that.

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    Yeah. Its amusing to trigger libtards who are like "why are you with people who hate juu", though. But yes, Unz has been particularly intelligent and cogent and has a gracious lack of Nazi LARP'ers.
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  115. What happened to Alina? Did your father-in-law help her out? Or did she get deported despite her “Jewish” scheme?

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    She moved to Las Vegas to be a blackjack dealer and then my father-in-law got cancer and died about 20 years ago, so I don't know what happened.
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  116. @Bill B.

    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.
     
    But they ain't got the IQ across the board like the Chinese.

    I heard John Mearsheimer do one of his big realpolitik presentations where he waved away India's importance as nugatory because of the "human capital" problem. No one argued with him.

    But sure Indians are quite good at elbowing themselves to the front of a crowd of Westerners.

    I’ve brought many an elbowing subcontinental snowboarder up short by the pointed, firm placement of a pole. It’s amazing to me how meek many Westerners are about such things: physical shoving in such contexts; loud, rude, yammering in cinemas and restaurants; audio from electronic devices by people apparently unaware of the invention of headphones. All this kind of nonsense is increasing exponentially with the surge in invaders who lack the mores of common courtesy and decorum, (never mind any concept of personal space) yet the failure of cowards to admonish, correct, and, yes, punish such behaviour only enables and encourages it. Time was you’d get your ass kicked for half the stuff the cuckolded and the meek obligingly accept as inevitable nowadays, if they even notice it at all.

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  117. @attilathehen
    What happened to Alina? Did your father-in-law help her out? Or did she get deported despite her "Jewish" scheme?

    She moved to Las Vegas to be a blackjack dealer and then my father-in-law got cancer and died about 20 years ago, so I don’t know what happened.

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  118. guest says:
    @inertial
    Yet another Russia-themed column. A few nitpicking notes.

    However, they could vacation in East Berlin
     
    A common Soviet citizen couldn't just up and go vacation in East Berlin. This is triply true for Jewish refusenik airspace engineers. Either your wife’s uncle misremembers something or he was played by the KGB.

    As Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin liked to say, the only principle that they cared about is “Who? Whom?”
     
    Lenin said only once in a totally different context (it was a warning.) Don't know about the others, but even if they said it, it must have been, again, a different context. That's because expression “Who? Whom?” doesn't mean in Russian what you think it means. The actual meaning of it is "there is a fight on and the outcome is uncertain."

    They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.
     
    Don't know about “Hey You;” in my experience ethnic Russians in California (who tend to be very smart computer programmers) are quite polite. Unsmiling, yes, very true. In Russian culture no smile is better than insincere smile. So, whereas the Russians here come across as gloomy, severe, brooding, etc., Russian visitors to America report back home that America is a land of "fake smiles." To a Russian, this sounds like a horrible place.

    There is a fight, the outcome is uncertain, and they want their side to prevail, obviously. You want to be the who instead of the whom. That’s the thrust of the question. It’s not about uncertainty.

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    Yes. Who is doing (the winner), and to whom are they doing it (the loser).

    Are the capitalists controlling the proles, or are the proles controlling everyone?

    Are the ice people controlling the sun people, or are the sun people controlling the ice people? (Or, is a small group of quasi-ice people maneuvering to create numerically larger and constantly shifting factions of both groups to subdue those they fear?)

    , @inertial
    This expression is not necessarily a question and can well be used by a neutral third party. You usually hear it in the context of sports competition. Sample usage:

    "How about Falcons vs. Patriots? Who do you think will win?"
    "I have no idea. We'll have to wait and see who whom."

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  119. @Opinionator
    No one on the alt right wants to exterminate you. At some level, I think you know that.

    Yeah. Its amusing to trigger libtards who are like “why are you with people who hate juu”, though. But yes, Unz has been particularly intelligent and cogent and has a gracious lack of Nazi LARP’ers.

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    I believe you're welcome here. Your comments are interesting.
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  120. @Anonymous
    Great article by iSteve but ignorant comments here.

    This formulation: Trump = Gov Pete Wilson ... does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.

    There are amazing reports on Breitbart this week on immigration. Trump/Bannon look to change the facts on the ground nationwide. It's called sea change and unlike Wilson Trump has the power.

    Besides all of that CA is now firmly planted in America's imagination as a cautionary tale. The jig is up.

    Also who cares if some immigrant groups were "mistreated" in the past. Being allowed to immigrate here at all is a great great act of generosity compared to most of the rest of the world. No apologies. You don't like it here then get out. We have been way too soft on newcomers for decades mild mistreatments serve to keep asses in line and dissuade the lowlifes from hanging around.... .

    Trump = Gov Pete Wilson … does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.’

    Speaking of CA… many libs in that state are now talking about possibly seceding from the Union. Too bad Californians in the 1990s weren’t informed that this was on their slate of options after having their expressed desire of halting the demographic ruination of their state scuttled by a single (!) Jimmy Carter-appointed federal judge when she put an indefinite hold on implementing Proposition 187. Pete Wilson should have played hardball w/ the feds by declaring “that if you won’t stop and reverse illegal immigration into our state in a reasonable time frame (or at least let us enforce Prop 187) we will hold referendum on seceding from the US.

    Lesson to the rest of America: If Trump fails to do anything meaningful on immigration because the liberal elites stage a successful coup d’état on the voters’ will via the Courts, secession will quite probably be your best option.

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    California libs want to secede and put a national border between them and the rest of the US, but their number one principle is open borders. Hard to see that working out as planned.
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  121. Broski says:
    @guest
    There is a fight, the outcome is uncertain, and they want their side to prevail, obviously. You want to be the who instead of the whom. That's the thrust of the question. It's not about uncertainty.

    Yes. Who is doing (the winner), and to whom are they doing it (the loser).

    Are the capitalists controlling the proles, or are the proles controlling everyone?

    Are the ice people controlling the sun people, or are the sun people controlling the ice people? (Or, is a small group of quasi-ice people maneuvering to create numerically larger and constantly shifting factions of both groups to subdue those they fear?)

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  122. @Anon
    Trump is the national version of Pete Wilson, the one-time (and last) Republican governor of California.

    Whites in California woke up too late, elected him once, and then the demographic trends finally overwhelmed them. The US is heading in the same direction. California is always the leader in all national trends. Look at the 60s counter-culture, look at Silicon Valley, and the same holds true for politics.

    Life for (R) whites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    But if you want real sovereignity, Trump will be the last moment, and his presidency will likely end in failure. He should never have been elected in normal times, but then again, we don't live in normal times.

    [Wh]ites who are willing to live life without any real political power but under decent material conditions will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

    Clearly you are not a white person living in California.

    Ot did you mean to write:

    [W]hites who don’t mind being constantly victimized by criminals, interminable commutes in gridlocked traffic, surrounded by smelly aliens gabbling incomprehensibly, all while paying confiscatory taxes, as well as willing to live life without any real political power – or whose obscene wealth insulates them from all these realities – will continue to be fine in the US, like it is in California.

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  123. @Clyde

    Anyone who has seen the American immigration system at work, as I have, knows what a clusterf*ck full of lazy gub’mint zombies it is.
     
    So lazy they are unable to line up the airline flights to send illegal alien deportees home.

    It will be a major advance if the Trump administration publishes a weekly list of confirmed deportations and the exact airplanes that took them home. I prefer ships to send them back but this is not done. Currently.
    It is very easy to deport Mexicans due to our common border, we just bus them back home.
    All other deportees are flown home which apparently involves heavy duty logistics for pea brain federal workers. Plus I am sure the proper funding to pay for more flights is never appropriated by Washington DC. On purpose of course, same as they never funded the Mexican border fence building that is required by law passed circa 2007.

    Preventing invasion and expelling invaders falls solidly within the bailiwick of the armed forces; have them take over this work. We can put the invaders into jump-seats in Globemasters and Galaxies and create enormous efficiencies. For trips taking more than eight hours, they can each be given a can of potted meat and eight ounces of water to sustain themselves – pour encourager les autres.

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    Great idea, especially since the US military is well versed in logistics, can also contract out flights to our domestic airlines if they get overwhelmed. Plus many deportees are dangerous dudes and will have to be shackled and guarded on their flight back to (example) Guatemala City. Our military is well equipped to do this for the Con Air style flights.
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  124. Clyde says:
    @Autochthon
    Preventing invasion and expelling invaders falls solidly within the bailiwick of the armed forces; have them take over this work. We can put the invaders into jump-seats in Globemasters and Galaxies and create enormous efficiencies. For trips taking more than eight hours, they can each be given a can of potted meat and eight ounces of water to sustain themselves – pour encourager les autres.

    Great idea, especially since the US military is well versed in logistics, can also contract out flights to our domestic airlines if they get overwhelmed. Plus many deportees are dangerous dudes and will have to be shackled and guarded on their flight back to (example) Guatemala City. Our military is well equipped to do this for the Con Air style flights.

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    The Air Force is a logistical beast; I was always impressed by their execution moving obscene amounts of materiel at lightning speed.

    I like your point about how this facilitates the restraint and guard of violent invaders, too, but I have a better idea for those types: they take the slow boat, so they can make more memories to share with their pals back home (even at top speed a carrier takes about a week to cross the Pacific).

    Anyone curious about life underway in a brig can get the idea, with photographs, here: https://guykawasaki.com/24-hours-at-sea-on-the-uss-nimitz
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  125. @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants.

    There used to be a journal called The XIXth Century. Leafing through it, I came across an article published in the 1890s that was no more than a list of police-blotter type accounts of violent crimes committed by Italians. It was something like 8 pages of crimes, obviously not intended to reflect favorably on Italian immigrants.

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  126. Jefferson says:
    @Frau Katze
    The other thing to remember about the Ellis Island era (and earlier) is that there was absolutely no welfare state then.

    I think it was economist Milton Friedman who said you could have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Free riders would soon overwhelm the welfare state.

    “I think it was economist Milton Friedman who said you could have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Free riders would soon overwhelm the welfare state.”

    Libertarian Gary Johnson ran on the platform of open borders, but he did not promise to abolish the welfare state if he was elected POTUS in order to make up for open borders. How does that make Libertarians different from the Democrats? Milton Friedman’s message unfortunately does not resonate with Libertarians.

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  127. Dan Hayes says:
    @Steve Sailer
    JFK's celebrated 1960 speech to Protestant ministers is widely assumed to have been JFK telling off the WASPs for their anti-Catholic bigotry. But instead, when Rick Santorum finally read it he was shocked by how JFK meekly promised the Protestants that he wouldn't follow the Pope's demands.

    Steve:

    Nah. At the time of his speech my ethnic parents regarding it as absolute capitulation to the Protestant divines gathered in Houston.

    As usual, Santorum was late in getting the message.

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  128. inertial says:
    @guest
    There is a fight, the outcome is uncertain, and they want their side to prevail, obviously. You want to be the who instead of the whom. That's the thrust of the question. It's not about uncertainty.

    This expression is not necessarily a question and can well be used by a neutral third party. You usually hear it in the context of sports competition. Sample usage:

    “How about Falcons vs. Patriots? Who do you think will win?”
    “I have no idea. We’ll have to wait and see who whom.”

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  129. @Diversity Heretic
    Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place. And it would have saved those Sicilians from being lynched, at least in New Orleans. It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. Trump's executive order is a good first step!

    There were several famous attempts to turn the Sicilian immigrant masses into to whining victimology assets of the far left they way Moslems, Mexicans, Gays and others have been.

    But the New Orleans lynching of a bunch of Mafioso and the execution of the anarchists killers Sacco and Vanzetti had very little impact in delaying the relatively rapid assimilation of Southern Italians. The fact is that some of most notorious mafia members had their strong patriotic sides.

    However, the trial of Sacco and Vanzetti had far far more impact on the formation of the radical Jewish left in 1920s. It played a major role in the growth of the CPUSA and the founding of the ACLU.

    The commie Howard Zinn made a big part of his long academic career on left-wing revisionism of the Sacco and Vanzetti case. There are 90 year old red diaper babies who show up on C-SPAN every couple of years to commemorate the “martyrdom” the Sacco and Vanzetti and will tell you they learned all about these “saints” from the rabbi at summer camp as kids. But more than 90% of Italians could not tell who Sacco and Vanzetti were.

    The saga of Mumia Abu-Jamal is just a rehashing of the lefty Sacco-Vanzetti playbook without the electrocution.

    The Open Borders crowd promises that every problem immigrant/alien group will ultimately turn out as well as Southern Italians. Don’t believe them. Because one big difference is that Italians have a long history of mistrust of Jews.

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  130. Corvinus says:
    @Sean
    The Chinese immigrants are like WASPS, eh. Yes indeedy, like WASPS were to the Amerindians.

    Thoroughly vet EVERY prospective immigrant and EXCLUDE each one on a case by case basis through merit.
     
    It's a very big world that has many hundreds of millions of meritorious people with the resources to get to the West, which is where most of them would rather be. Application of a case by case merit based admission of migrants will result in the total and irreversible displacement of the people that instituted it. And far from getting any credit, their ellipse would be accompanied by attention to ancient wrongs --to justify the boot being on the other foot. Or maybe you think it's only whites who don't play when they have power to do as they like?

    “The Chinese immigrants are like WASPS, eh.”

    Indeed. Both are civilized.

    “Yes indeedy, like WASPS were to the Amerindians.”

    The Amerindians were here in North America first. The Europeans just had to have their land.

    “It’s a very big world that has many hundreds of millions of meritorious people with the resources to get to the West, which is where most of them would rather be.”

    No. Only those who are refugees or political dissidents want to come to the West. Most desire to remain in their stable homelands.

    “Application of a case by case merit based admission of migrants will result in the total and irreversible displacement of the people that instituted it.”

    The people who instituted this admission process were the Founding Fathers, who granted future generations via Congress to set the criteria. There is no displacement taking place here.

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  131. Corvinus says:
    @Thea
    Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them. Allowing uncountable hoards of welfare recipients who are worshipped by the left will just enlarge our perpetual underclass of entitled malcontents.

    “Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them.”

    Well, your buddy Diversity Heretic stated that “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse”. How would you address this discrepancy?

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    Eh, no contradiction.

    Being slow to assimilate doesn't mean never assimilating.

    Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians.
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  132. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place. And it would have saved those Sicilians from being lynched, at least in New Orleans. It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. Trump's executive order is a good first step!

    “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place.”

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. ”

    American Muslims who are citizens are not going to be deported.

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    “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place.”

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!
     
    But a pro Anglo-American statement.....

    But that's spilt milk......The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society......

    I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims.....

    And why would we want to try? Because SJWs are xenophiles? Because corporations desire open borders?
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  133. Wilkey says:

    “The conventional wisdom on immigration is rapidly hardening into an ideology of extremist open-borders lunacy.”

    Prior to Merkel’s boner this was to some degree just hypothetical. You could have believed that leftists would let foreigners overrun our countries by the millions – even encourage it – but it was never absolutely proven. Sure they more than tolerated a large amount of illegal immigration, but the numbers still weren’t quite large enough for some people to consider it an invasion.

    Then Merkel lets a huge number of people from a completely foreign (and enemy) culture into her country, with no ability to speak the language, few job skills, and a horrific record of assimilation to European values. She refuses to place any limit on the number who can come. She lets them in at a rate that, were it the United States, would equal 3-4 million such people in a single year – and that’s before accounting for all the family members they’ll eventually bring in. And Hillary and pretty much everyone on the Left supported Merkel’s actions.

    The globalist, leftist elite has gone all in on open borders. *Nothing* Trump has done or might conceivably do could remotely come even close to the insanely destructive policies the Left chooses to impose upon us.

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  134. inertial says:
    @European-American
    Thank you for that link on Russian smiling, interesting and useful.
    https://in.rbth.com/arts/2013/11/29/ten_reasons_why_russians_dont_smile_much_31259

    You’re welcome. Russians say that if you smile at strangers you are either Chinese, or American, or else an idiot.

    There is a story I heard which is supposedly true. It’s not about Russia but another unsmiling culture, Finland.

    Two Americans go to a restaurant in Finland. They are served by a Finnish waitress. The service is very good but she never cracks a smile. One American makes a remark to this effect in the waitress’s hearing. He thinks she can’t understand him but he doesn’t realize that in Finland everyone speaks fluent English. So the woman turns around and exclaims, “I don’t have to smile! I have an honest job!”

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    Finns are famous in the rest of Scandinavia for being taciturn and introverted. Another Finnish joke:

    Q. How can you tell an extroverted Finn from an introverted Finn?

    A. The extroverted Finn looks at your shoes while he's talking to you.
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  135. bomag says:
    @Anon
    "But they ain’t got the IQ across the board like the Chinese."

    But that is now an advantage in a way.

    Look at East Asia. Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and even urban areas of mainland China.

    Because of across-the-board decent IQ and education culture, 'elitism' has been universalized. There is virtual universal college education, and that means everyone wants 'clean' job and disdains 'dirty job'. Since not all can make it, many commit suicide, prefer fantasy of good life in soap opera, or emigrate and lose identity/culture as East Asian culture has no currency outside Asia(and not even there as Japanese fixated on cartoons and others wanna be cartoons).
    So, East Asian IQ advantage had the effect of spreading universal elitism among the people. So, people who go to college but don't make it don't want work at lower job.
    Singapore and South Korea are going for mass immigration, and Japanese corporations are also pressuring the government to take in more.
    Also, due to elitism, no one wants to have children UNLESS the kid has chance of making it in school and work.

    In contrast, India has good amount of real talent at the top. Lots of smart people there. But it also has a quasi-caste system(still) where lots of people are on the bottom and don't expect their lives to improve much.
    East Asian Confucian class system ideally says EVERYONE should be upper-crust person with clean dignified job. In the past, such was availed to just a few since most couldn't afford education. Now, education, even college education, has been universalized, and so EVERY East Asian wants the best and has turned finicky. They don't want children if the kids will grow up to be working class or do manual labor. East Asians look down on such jobs as low and dirty and import foreigners to do them. This will lead to demographic loss of land in long run, but then, East Asian elites, so slavish to be part of globalist elites, don't care if they lose their nation as long as they can go to Western nations and have a good life.

    In contrast, the caste-mentality still exists in India. So, a lot of people are okay with being born into lower status and doing what they're supposed to do. It's Karma. So, whereas East Asia has lots of brain power but losing out demographically in labor power, India will have both lots of brain power and labor power(among lower quasi-castes).

    Karma may beat Chun-Tzu. India will have lots of brains and hands, whereas East Asia only wants brains but no hands. Indeed, India may colonize other East Asian nations that have brains but no hands. Indian hands will go there and plant their feet on the ground and eventually take over.

    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

    The thing here is that manual labor and lower class jobs look to be all done by machine in the future. The competitive edge will come from skull work at the highest levels; bet on the smartest work force.

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    I would like to think so too, but it seems the Official Narrative is 'we need more immigrants'. It's like an article of faith repeated so often that people just believe.

    It's like a broken record repeating the same line over and over and over.
    Apparently it is near-impossible for someone to prod the stylus a little to skip the flaw.
    Why would that be?
    Notice has PC has people chanting the same slogans over and over. It has the effect of mantra in religion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra

    https://youtu.be/gw2HTn1ODUM?t=1m29s

    Consider Shia Leboof's neo-Wailing-Wall concoction next to Modern Museum.

    "You will not divide us, you will not divide us, you will not divide us."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jRJZOblPg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCbk_nYY_vs

    The repetitive chants have a kind of hypnotic effect on the people. In a way, rap is appealing to many as the mantra of thuggery and pimpery.

    So many SJW's types are not secular really. They are under some kind of cultist spell from being spoon-fed PC mantras like 'diversity is our strength', 'black lives matter', 'check your white privilege', 'I have a dream', and etc.

    https://youtu.be/De15EaR_irk?t=1m1s

    It's as people got so fixated on the repeated line on a broken record that they dare not progress any further by correcting the problem since the line has come to gain the aura of sacredness. PC is a broken record that no one dares to correct since people have come under the spell of the repeated line.

    Progs have given up reasoned discourse, fact-checking, and logic. Their 'truth' is about creating the 'sacral' aura around a political sentiment by mantric sloganeering.
    It's no wonder that so many of these protests have people chanting the same lines.
    This is common in religion but now the mainstay of secular ideologies too. Much of secularism is search for new gods.

    Patriots in 2016 had Make America Great Again, but Conservatives seem to less slogan-oriented.

    Anyway, with PC, we need to tip the stylus and let the narration progress.

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  136. @Daniel Chieh
    Yeah. Its amusing to trigger libtards who are like "why are you with people who hate juu", though. But yes, Unz has been particularly intelligent and cogent and has a gracious lack of Nazi LARP'ers.

    I believe you’re welcome here. Your comments are interesting.

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    • Replies: @Seneca
    I second that sentiment.

    Some of the other self identified Chinese and Asian commentators also usually have interesting things to say IMO.
    , @ussr andy
    +1
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  137. Seneca says:
    @Anon
    Top contenders for the neo-god to submit to.

    Sharia
    Jewria
    Whoria
    Gayria
    Brahmia
    Afria

    pros and cons

    1. Sharia

    Pros: Lots of Muslims in the world. Fastest growing faith. Militant. Passionate. Confident.

    Cons. Too much diversity of race and sects has Muslims killing Muslims. Cousin marriage and genetic problems. Aesthetically atrocious in clothing and style.

    2. Jewria

    Pros: High IQ. Holocaust Cult in the West. Control of elite institutions. Unlimited Cash. High verbal ability. Israel as regional superpower. Media control.

    Cons: Low birthrate among secular Jews and too much mixing. Rise of BDS and resentment of Jewish success or power. Jews increasingly seen as 'white'. Jewish anti-white-ism boomeranging on Jews. Small minority.



    3. Whoria

    Pros: High market value in pop culture.

    Cons: No matter how high the price, meat on the auction bloc.

    4. Gayria

    Pros: Creativity and ambition. Alliance with Jews who promote homomania as new religion.

    Cons: Increasingly silly and tiresome. Decadent and dissipating of Western spirit.

    5. Brahmia.

    Pros: India to surpass China in population. Increasing emigration. Lots of talent and endless cheap labor in India. Good with English and Anglo culture.

    Cons: Messy, disoriented, and mostly unpleasant to outsiders with all that Babu antics.

    6. Afria

    Pros: Cool factor and badass factor due to music and sports. Jungle fever among the ho's. White cuck males worshiping Negroes. MLK and Mandela myths. Super-high-birthrates in Africa.

    Cons: Stupid, childish, destructive, dangerous, obnoxious, hollerish, and insane.

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    I bet on Brahmia for the long haul.

    The dot folks got population growth, adaptability, and talent.

    You forgot

    7. Chinia

    Pros. World’s second largest population second only to India, but much much better educated and organized. Hard working and family centric (family is everything!) culture. Very nationalistic. Like Japan do not accept immigrants. Young people are on average both very patriotic and respectful to their elders (they always take China’s side in an argument with a foreigner). Young people are technically very savvy and although of heretofore modest creativity, are making very significant embellishments of and improvements on some Western technology. Oh yeah, China is also the fastest growing economy in the world for the past several decades. Huge consumer market. Largest number of world’s billionaire. Also has Diaspora communities all over the world.

    Cons: While most Chinese are honest and hard working and kind, a significant number are greedy, corrupt and dishonest (disproportionate IMO relative to Japan and Western historically Christian oriented countries including the USA ). This leads to a low trust environment. Respect for intellectual property is very low. Not sure of the origin of these problems. Hangover from the materialism of Marxism? Lack of a Christian ethos? On the other hand, the elites in China still look out for their own people unlike most of the elites in the USA or other European countries . And the Chinese government is making efforts to promote creativity, but it still has a way to go because of long Confucianism tradition.

    Please read Ron Unz’s very interesting article on Chinese test taking culture culture which also discusses the fact that the Chinese elites are loyal to the Chinese people unlike the elites in other countries (if you can find it because it does not seem to be in his archive on this site).

    I am a Westerner who currently live in China and agree with most of the points he raises in the article.

    BTW, IMO no way the Brahmans beat the Chinese. The Brahmans are too disorganized compared with the Chinese (and that is saying something!), despite some of the Brahmans’ innate advantages (probably higher on average verbal prowess and aggressiveness for instance).

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    OK, the reason I left out China.

    Chinese will be strong in China, no doubt.

    But I don't see them gaining anything much outside China.

    Even in Southeast Asia where they are economically dominant, they haven't done much to define the culture.

    In the US, they just assimilate like Amy Chua. Also, Westerners don't look up to Chinese for anything but chop suey. Lots of Chinese have settled in Canada, but do you hear of anything from the Chinese-Canadian community that made a difference?
    Chinese have zero cultural capital in the global culture. No one likes their language(esp if Cantonese), their music, and they aren't good in sports. There is no distinct Chinese-American culture or agenda like there is Jewish culture/identity. Some Chinese serve as spies for China, but those who choose to say just wanna become faceless Americans. And even they catch PC bug and go radical, it's on the sidelines as servile regurgitators of what's been fed them by their teachers.

    So, outside China, I don't see Chinese achieving much.

    Now, if we do China vs India, I think China will do better. Too much of India is a mess, and Indian corruption makes China look like Switzerland.

    But on the world stage --- globalism is about dominance around the world --- , I see Indians have an advantage. For one thing, Chinese population will shrink fast whereas India will have 100s of millions of excess population and will try to push them all over. Also, Hindus are grubby-tough and will do business even everywhere.
    More garrulous, more engaging, more assertive. Also, more savvy when it comes to psychologically reading white folks. Watch GANDHI, and it's almost a comedy of how a brown guy mixed Jesus and Freud to mess with white folks' mind. He's like a brown Groucho Marx. I've come to appreciate SCARFACE as Immigrant Comedy, and GANDHI is like Resistance Comedy.
    Also, Hindus are more shameless when they want something from you. If they really want something, they go about it in the most haggly sense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZVsWzIb6Vk

    Also, Hindus are very touchy but, amazingly enough, have thick skin. It's a weird combination that comes from having a messy culture, cosmology, and overcrowded cities.
    Unlike East Asia where, ideally at least, one seeks harmony and cooperation, Indian culture revolves around constant insults, micro-aggressions, constant annoyance, and etc. Honor doesn't matter in this culture, so Hindus are very adaptive. Japanese are capable and orderly but not very adaptive. Also, when Japanese are adaptive outside Japan, they just disappear into the host culture, whereas Hindus, like Jews, maintain something that is uniquely their even as they slip into other cultures. Japanese fear losing face, whereas Hindus have a 1000 faces.

    GURU is a very instructive movie. In most nations, after insulting each other too much, they refuse to deal with one another. But in GURU, people become bitter rivals but carry on with relations. It's hilarious.

    https://youtu.be/7UPalamuRp8?t=1h18m20s

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  138. @Clyde
    Great idea, especially since the US military is well versed in logistics, can also contract out flights to our domestic airlines if they get overwhelmed. Plus many deportees are dangerous dudes and will have to be shackled and guarded on their flight back to (example) Guatemala City. Our military is well equipped to do this for the Con Air style flights.

    The Air Force is a logistical beast; I was always impressed by their execution moving obscene amounts of materiel at lightning speed.

    I like your point about how this facilitates the restraint and guard of violent invaders, too, but I have a better idea for those types: they take the slow boat, so they can make more memories to share with their pals back home (even at top speed a carrier takes about a week to cross the Pacific).

    Anyone curious about life underway in a brig can get the idea, with photographs, here: https://guykawasaki.com/24-hours-at-sea-on-the-uss-nimitz

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    With all those libs and Dems worried to death over global warming-- How about we save on fuel and deport them in large sailboats with the deportees doing the /galley slave/ rowing when there is no wind? As in sending them home on the slow boat to China. I see a double win here.
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  139. Seneca says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I believe you're welcome here. Your comments are interesting.

    I second that sentiment.

    Some of the other self identified Chinese and Asian commentators also usually have interesting things to say IMO.

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  140. Svigor says:

    Except that selectiveness actually means exclusion**. Think about the Chinese. They came here in the 1860′s and 1870′s to work on the railroads. They worked hard and kept to themselves. Their reward? Congress “selected” them as being incapable of being assimilated because of their “alien customs”. Have not the Chinese proven their worth since then as being more than adept at Americanism? Do white Americans look at these Asian American counterparts today with similar disdain as Congress in that time period?

    We should treat the Chinese the way they treat us. I.e., keep them out. Same goes for the Israelis, the Japanese, the Saudis, etc., etc., etc.

    Reciprocity: too complicated for leftists to understand. Too moral for them to accept.

    Yeah. Its amusing to trigger libtards who are like “why are you with people who hate juu”, though. But yes, Unz has been particularly intelligent and cogent and has a gracious lack of Nazi LARP’ers.

    The Nazi LARPers don’t want to exterminate you, either.

    The people who instituted this admission process were the Founding Fathers, who granted future generations via Congress to set the criteria. There is no displacement taking place here.

    Your usual brand of stupid non-sequitur; lawful, democratic displacement is still displacement.

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    Takes one to know one, I guess.

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  141. @Lucas McCrudy
    ' Trump = Gov Pete Wilson … does not compute. A governor/state to pres/nation comparison is apples to oranges. Wilson did not have the power to control immigration.'


    Speaking of CA... many libs in that state are now talking about possibly seceding from the Union. Too bad Californians in the 1990s weren't informed that this was on their slate of options after having their expressed desire of halting the demographic ruination of their state scuttled by a single (!) Jimmy Carter-appointed federal judge when she put an indefinite hold on implementing Proposition 187. Pete Wilson should have played hardball w/ the feds by declaring "that if you won't stop and reverse illegal immigration into our state in a reasonable time frame (or at least let us enforce Prop 187) we will hold referendum on seceding from the US.

    Lesson to the rest of America: If Trump fails to do anything meaningful on immigration because the liberal elites stage a successful coup d'état on the voters' will via the Courts, secession will quite probably be your best option.

    California libs want to secede and put a national border between them and the rest of the US, but their number one principle is open borders. Hard to see that working out as planned.

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  142. Clyde says:
    @Autochthon
    The Air Force is a logistical beast; I was always impressed by their execution moving obscene amounts of materiel at lightning speed.

    I like your point about how this facilitates the restraint and guard of violent invaders, too, but I have a better idea for those types: they take the slow boat, so they can make more memories to share with their pals back home (even at top speed a carrier takes about a week to cross the Pacific).

    Anyone curious about life underway in a brig can get the idea, with photographs, here: https://guykawasaki.com/24-hours-at-sea-on-the-uss-nimitz

    With all those libs and Dems worried to death over global warming– How about we save on fuel and deport them in large sailboats with the deportees doing the /galley slave/ rowing when there is no wind? As in sending them home on the slow boat to China. I see a double win here.

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    Such an effort. Put all of them in Mexico simply because it's cheap and easy. Right after we secure the Wall. Dump them right over the Wall using front-loaders for all I care.

    No logic to it? I call it punishing Mexico for several decades of trashing the USA. And what are they gonna do about it? Declare war on us? What might that be like?

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  143. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @bomag
    The thing here is that manual labor and lower class jobs look to be all done by machine in the future. The competitive edge will come from skull work at the highest levels; bet on the smartest work force.

    I would like to think so too, but it seems the Official Narrative is ‘we need more immigrants’. It’s like an article of faith repeated so often that people just believe.

    It’s like a broken record repeating the same line over and over and over.
    Apparently it is near-impossible for someone to prod the stylus a little to skip the flaw.
    Why would that be?
    Notice has PC has people chanting the same slogans over and over. It has the effect of mantra in religion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra

    Consider Shia Leboof’s neo-Wailing-Wall concoction next to Modern Museum.

    “You will not divide us, you will not divide us, you will not divide us.”

    The repetitive chants have a kind of hypnotic effect on the people. In a way, rap is appealing to many as the mantra of thuggery and pimpery.

    So many SJW’s types are not secular really. They are under some kind of cultist spell from being spoon-fed PC mantras like ‘diversity is our strength’, ‘black lives matter’, ‘check your white privilege’, ‘I have a dream’, and etc.

    It’s as people got so fixated on the repeated line on a broken record that they dare not progress any further by correcting the problem since the line has come to gain the aura of sacredness. PC is a broken record that no one dares to correct since people have come under the spell of the repeated line.

    Progs have given up reasoned discourse, fact-checking, and logic. Their ‘truth’ is about creating the ‘sacral’ aura around a political sentiment by mantric sloganeering.
    It’s no wonder that so many of these protests have people chanting the same lines.
    This is common in religion but now the mainstay of secular ideologies too. Much of secularism is search for new gods.

    Patriots in 2016 had Make America Great Again, but Conservatives seem to less slogan-oriented.

    Anyway, with PC, we need to tip the stylus and let the narration progress.

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  144. IAmCorn says:
    @inertial
    You're welcome. Russians say that if you smile at strangers you are either Chinese, or American, or else an idiot.

    There is a story I heard which is supposedly true. It's not about Russia but another unsmiling culture, Finland.

    Two Americans go to a restaurant in Finland. They are served by a Finnish waitress. The service is very good but she never cracks a smile. One American makes a remark to this effect in the waitress's hearing. He thinks she can't understand him but he doesn't realize that in Finland everyone speaks fluent English. So the woman turns around and exclaims, "I don't have to smile! I have an honest job!"

    Finns are famous in the rest of Scandinavia for being taciturn and introverted. Another Finnish joke:

    Q. How can you tell an extroverted Finn from an introverted Finn?

    A. The extroverted Finn looks at your shoes while he’s talking to you.

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  145. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Seneca
    You forgot

    7. Chinia

    Pros. World's second largest population second only to India, but much much better educated and organized. Hard working and family centric (family is everything!) culture. Very nationalistic. Like Japan do not accept immigrants. Young people are on average both very patriotic and respectful to their elders (they always take China's side in an argument with a foreigner). Young people are technically very savvy and although of heretofore modest creativity, are making very significant embellishments of and improvements on some Western technology. Oh yeah, China is also the fastest growing economy in the world for the past several decades. Huge consumer market. Largest number of world's billionaire. Also has Diaspora communities all over the world.

    Cons: While most Chinese are honest and hard working and kind, a significant number are greedy, corrupt and dishonest (disproportionate IMO relative to Japan and Western historically Christian oriented countries including the USA ). This leads to a low trust environment. Respect for intellectual property is very low. Not sure of the origin of these problems. Hangover from the materialism of Marxism? Lack of a Christian ethos? On the other hand, the elites in China still look out for their own people unlike most of the elites in the USA or other European countries . And the Chinese government is making efforts to promote creativity, but it still has a way to go because of long Confucianism tradition.

    Please read Ron Unz's very interesting article on Chinese test taking culture culture which also discusses the fact that the Chinese elites are loyal to the Chinese people unlike the elites in other countries (if you can find it because it does not seem to be in his archive on this site).

    I am a Westerner who currently live in China and agree with most of the points he raises in the article.

    BTW, IMO no way the Brahmans beat the Chinese. The Brahmans are too disorganized compared with the Chinese (and that is saying something!), despite some of the Brahmans' innate advantages (probably higher on average verbal prowess and aggressiveness for instance).

    OK, the reason I left out China.

    Chinese will be strong in China, no doubt.

    But I don’t see them gaining anything much outside China.

    Even in Southeast Asia where they are economically dominant, they haven’t done much to define the culture.

    In the US, they just assimilate like Amy Chua. Also, Westerners don’t look up to Chinese for anything but chop suey. Lots of Chinese have settled in Canada, but do you hear of anything from the Chinese-Canadian community that made a difference?
    Chinese have zero cultural capital in the global culture. No one likes their language(esp if Cantonese), their music, and they aren’t good in sports. There is no distinct Chinese-American culture or agenda like there is Jewish culture/identity. Some Chinese serve as spies for China, but those who choose to say just wanna become faceless Americans. And even they catch PC bug and go radical, it’s on the sidelines as servile regurgitators of what’s been fed them by their teachers.

    So, outside China, I don’t see Chinese achieving much.

    Now, if we do China vs India, I think China will do better. Too much of India is a mess, and Indian corruption makes China look like Switzerland.

    But on the world stage — globalism is about dominance around the world — , I see Indians have an advantage. For one thing, Chinese population will shrink fast whereas India will have 100s of millions of excess population and will try to push them all over. Also, Hindus are grubby-tough and will do business even everywhere.
    More garrulous, more engaging, more assertive. Also, more savvy when it comes to psychologically reading white folks. Watch GANDHI, and it’s almost a comedy of how a brown guy mixed Jesus and Freud to mess with white folks’ mind. He’s like a brown Groucho Marx. I’ve come to appreciate SCARFACE as Immigrant Comedy, and GANDHI is like Resistance Comedy.
    Also, Hindus are more shameless when they want something from you. If they really want something, they go about it in the most haggly sense.

    Also, Hindus are very touchy but, amazingly enough, have thick skin. It’s a weird combination that comes from having a messy culture, cosmology, and overcrowded cities.
    Unlike East Asia where, ideally at least, one seeks harmony and cooperation, Indian culture revolves around constant insults, micro-aggressions, constant annoyance, and etc. Honor doesn’t matter in this culture, so Hindus are very adaptive. Japanese are capable and orderly but not very adaptive. Also, when Japanese are adaptive outside Japan, they just disappear into the host culture, whereas Hindus, like Jews, maintain something that is uniquely their even as they slip into other cultures. Japanese fear losing face, whereas Hindus have a 1000 faces.

    GURU is a very instructive movie. In most nations, after insulting each other too much, they refuse to deal with one another. But in GURU, people become bitter rivals but carry on with relations. It’s hilarious.

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  146. Thea says:
    @Corvinus
    "Italians & Irish prospered because of hardships not in spite of them."

    Well, your buddy Diversity Heretic stated that "Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse". How would you address this discrepancy?

    Eh, no contradiction.

    Being slow to assimilate doesn’t mean never assimilating.

    Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians.

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    "Eh, no contradiction."

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane's "Not Me" philosophy.

    "Being slow to assimilate doesn’t mean never assimilating."

    So, using your logic, immigrants who have been charged with by nativists for "slowly assimilating" will eventually become part of our culture. Glad we cleared that up.

    "Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians."

    Your friend was the one who said that Italians and the Irish, YOUR fellow whites, in retrospect ought NOT to have been allowed into the United States. He, not me, is the one who embodies your statement.
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  147. ussr andy says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I believe you're welcome here. Your comments are interesting.

    +1

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  148. @Clyde
    With all those libs and Dems worried to death over global warming-- How about we save on fuel and deport them in large sailboats with the deportees doing the /galley slave/ rowing when there is no wind? As in sending them home on the slow boat to China. I see a double win here.

    Such an effort. Put all of them in Mexico simply because it’s cheap and easy. Right after we secure the Wall. Dump them right over the Wall using front-loaders for all I care.

    No logic to it? I call it punishing Mexico for several decades of trashing the USA. And what are they gonna do about it? Declare war on us? What might that be like?

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  149. @Anonymous

    The stupidity of Taki’s reader comments always leaves me feeling slightly soiled.
     
    They're hasbara and see to it that they fire off the first comments which will soil the article thus precluding people from posting it to Twitter and Facebook. Taki Mag might want to consider disabling comments for wider dissemination of excellent articles like the one Sailer has.

    They could also just ban people whose posts consist of “First!” and lately “Second!” and even “Third!” Such geniuses these people.

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  150. @Travis
    my wife was deported under the Clinton regime (2 years after we were married in NJ), but took just 3 months to obtain a visa and green card after she was deported back to her home country an dpaid 1,200 fine for over-staying her visa....my brother-in-law was deported under Obama. both were and are Italian citizens. my Brother-in-law left his 3 American born children with us.

    This happened mainly because Italians are White People and the Ruling Class in America has a terror of White People.

    I know Brits, Aussies, and Argentines who got thrown out even though (more likely specifically because) they are intelligent, attractive, self-supporting, civilized people.

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  151. @Dr. Doom
    Somebody had to post this, it may as well be me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvuM3DjvYf0

    Its not Nucular, its Demographics that killed the World.

    Its not Nucular, its Demographics that killed the World.

    Just wanted you to know, some of did get the layers of reference in that very clever line.

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  152. @Steve Sailer
    Nominations?

    Can’t say for sure who might be ‘Male of the Year’

    But I do know who’s got ‘They of the Year’ sewn up ;)

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  153. ussr andy says:
    @inertial
    Yet another Russia-themed column. A few nitpicking notes.

    However, they could vacation in East Berlin
     
    A common Soviet citizen couldn't just up and go vacation in East Berlin. This is triply true for Jewish refusenik airspace engineers. Either your wife’s uncle misremembers something or he was played by the KGB.

    As Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin liked to say, the only principle that they cared about is “Who? Whom?”
     
    Lenin said only once in a totally different context (it was a warning.) Don't know about the others, but even if they said it, it must have been, again, a different context. That's because expression “Who? Whom?” doesn't mean in Russian what you think it means. The actual meaning of it is "there is a fight on and the outcome is uncertain."

    They unsmilingly called him “Hey You” because they were Russians.
     
    Don't know about “Hey You;” in my experience ethnic Russians in California (who tend to be very smart computer programmers) are quite polite. Unsmiling, yes, very true. In Russian culture no smile is better than insincere smile. So, whereas the Russians here come across as gloomy, severe, brooding, etc., Russian visitors to America report back home that America is a land of "fake smiles." To a Russian, this sounds like a horrible place.

    kto kogo means what you said (uncertain outcome.) I doubut Lenin had this “hypocrisy” and “selective enforcement” meaning in mind, which is (if I understand right) what the phrase came to mean in the iSteveosphere. This is Marcusean, New Left stuff.

    (NB I’ve nothing whatsoever against Steve using it this way)

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  154. @Rod1963
    The Left needs soldiers to carry out their agenda against more traditional whites that are resistant to their verbal outgassings and moral preening. The fact is the Left in the West is composed of loud mouthed wimps. You won't find the sort of men who'd do what Ayers tried to do.

    Enter Islam and it's penchant for terrorism, thuggery and colonization.

    Deal wise, it's kind of like the late Roman Empire thinking a good replacement for the legions was hiring entire tribes of barbarians to fight for them only for the Roman elite to wake up and find out the barbarians ran everything. Or what happened when the Byzantines hired a bunch of Catalans to kick the Turks out of Greece.

    The thing is the Left and the elites not being big on history or long term thinking don't see the implications of using Muslims for their dirty work.

    Yeah, that may explain the Islamophilia of respectable conventional wisdom: Muslims will supply the antiFa muscle that trasgenders won’t.

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  155. Corvinus says:
    @Thea
    Eh, no contradiction.

    Being slow to assimilate doesn't mean never assimilating.

    Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians.

    “Eh, no contradiction.”

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane’s “Not Me” philosophy.

    “Being slow to assimilate doesn’t mean never assimilating.”

    So, using your logic, immigrants who have been charged with by nativists for “slowly assimilating” will eventually become part of our culture. Glad we cleared that up.

    “Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians.”

    Your friend was the one who said that Italians and the Irish, YOUR fellow whites, in retrospect ought NOT to have been allowed into the United States. He, not me, is the one who embodies your statement.

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    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane’s “Not Me” philosophy.
     
    It's really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs. The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime or violent political radicalism. This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence.

    That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians.

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  156. Corvinus says:
    @Jefferson
    "The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants."

    That is another reason why comparing Italians to Muslims is comparing apples to oranges. While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants, the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam.

    "And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present."

    Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them.

    Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide. And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians.

    You look at The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren't whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc.

    “While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants…”

    Another False News Story on your part! It was the media who were CONSERVATIVE in their views, who sought to PRESERVE American traditions. Nativists sought to KEEP what they had.

    “the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam.”

    The American press is pro-American, which includes different races, ethnicities, and religions.

    “Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them.”

    Listen to yourself. You take four incidents and indict an ENTIRE group of people. I employ YOUR rationale by making reference to Italian violence to show how it can be employed to denigrate an entire people. Rather than seeing the flaw of your own logic, you double down SJW-style by completely downplaying this Italian penchant for violence. If you are going to be consistent with your OWN reasoning, admitting that both Italians and Muslims have uber-aggressive tendencies would serve you well.

    “Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide.”

    Do you have any actual numbers to back up your claim?

    Since 1992, the number of Mafia murders in Italy, while on the decline, is roughly 3350 in total. That is ONLY in this country. What about the Mafia murders in the United States since the early 1900′s?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10775203/Italian-mafia-murders-down-says-UN-report.html

    “And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians.”

    Right, like the Sicilian Mafia, for example, has refrained from targeting the common folk and those who opposed them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_the_Sicilian_Mafia

    Remember, the Cosa Nostra demands that businesses, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, and craftsmen to pay a pizzo, or protection money, to crime syndicates controlling their area, lest their business is taken over.

    “You look at The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren’t whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc.”

    The overall goal of the Italian mafia was control through fear and bloodshed. Again, if we employ YOUR logic, then you have to admit that the Italians overall have a knack for violence. It is in-born, similar to Muslims. Why do you protect a group of people who are well-known for their uber-aggressiveness?

    You’re drowning in your own stupidity.

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    Corvinus, you make a series of strained moral equivalence arguments, but you miss the big picture.
    , @snorlax
    ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn't able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they've killed.

    It's adorable that you think the Italian Mafia is still a going concern. The Italian Mafia consists of septua-, octo- and nonagenarian inmates and parolees who all ratted on each other. Even the nonagenarians got in well after the peak. The more youthful and vigorous wise guys have their oxygen tanks strapped to their La-Z-Boys instead of their hospital beds.

    And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British. I'm sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is). This has always been the case for as long as there's been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn't.

    But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone's day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals' modern-day ethnic pets. The St. Valentine's Day Massacre would just be any old day in today's Chiraq. (CPD officers who served in Bush's Folly report that the comparison flatters Chicago).

    Even a century ago, much less today, the difference between the British and the Italians is but angels dancing on the head of a pin compared to the vast gulf, worlds, infinities of space between Italians and the Muslim world.

    Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn't put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated.

    If an interdimensional portal appeared in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and out popped Hitler's victorious Nazi Germany, nobody would say we should take in unlimited numbers, millions-upon-millions of Nazi immigrants.

    That we couldn't so much as even ask them whether or not they were Nazis before letting them in. That after killing thousands of us believers in Judeo-Bolshevism in mass terror campaigns, the important take-away is that not all Nazis do that, and so Nazi immigration must be doubled.

    And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place.

    Anyone who dared disagree was fired from their job, rendered unemployable, expelled from polite society and beaten by brave antifascists. In this way we avoided empowering the Japanese extremists, a valuable lesson for when other groups might kill 2,998 Americans in an attack on defenseless civilian targets.

    That's how we deal with the Aryan Nations. We can't let the actions of only a few radical Aryans effect our decision-making. We need to understand the root causes of the conflict with the Aryan community. Many grew up poor, with few advantages, in broken homes, and only went to prison because they couldn't afford a good lawyer. Most only join to avoid sexual torture.

    Above all, we must avoid painting all Aryans with the same brush, as this will only empower the extremist Aryans. We must remember that there are many moderate Aryans, who have black friends, who let Jews and Hispanics join, and who heroically save lives, risking their own, as invaluable FBI informants.

    We must ban all job and other discrimination against Aryans, and make sure we're electing enough Aryan politicians. We must end Aryan underrepresentation in higher education, and establish departments of Aryan Studies.

    The President must reach out to and include the perspectives of the Aryan community, for example by appointing Aryans to the Cabinet. We must open our doors to all Aryans where they are persecuted overseas.

    I can't think of a more foolproof plan to discourage Aryan extremism.

    Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences.

    People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party, without fear of public or private persecution.

    In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it.

    In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture, and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed.

    It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture. It was blindingly obvious to Italians that Islamic culture could never be compatible with Italian culture, so they also allowed no Muslim immigration.

    It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who'd have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea. Not even Emma Lazarus would've been in favor of Muslim immigration.
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  157. bomag says:
    @CCZ
    Not sure if this pro-open borders website has been previously discussed at Unz.

    Open Borders: The Case "The Efficient, Egalitarian, Libertarian, Utilitarian Way to Double World GDP"

    https://openborders.info/blog/welcome-to-open-borders/

     

    The site does not provide information on who is the source of support, perhaps some readers know.

    From their introduction:


    Open borders is used to describe a world where there is a strong presumption in favor of allowing people to migrate and where this presumption can be overridden or curtailed only under exceptional circumstances.

    The goal of the website is to make the arguments for open borders, and also to explicitly discuss many arguments against open borders, evaluate their validity, and determine ways to tackle the objections.
     

    An example of their argument:

    Some argue that the key to bring more manufacturing back to the U.S. is the availability of a skilled workforce in the U.S., given the high tech nature of manufacturing today. However, there apparently aren’t enough American workers with the necessary skills for manufacturers to relocate to the U.S. Factory owners note that is difficult to bring manufacturing jobs back when they cannot find the talent they need to expand.

    One of the recommendations of the Brooking Institution report is to have skilled workers from other countries fill these positions. An open borders policy would make it much easier for American manufacturers to find workers for their vacant positions. Manufacturers would literally have a world of workers from which to choose. By helping to fill manufacturing positions, open borders both would encourage manufacturers to return production to the U.S. and discourage them from moving current production abroad. As previously mentioned, the expansion of manufacturing in the U.S. would ripple throughout the economy, creating more jobs for both citizens and immigrants.

     

    They also have a page headed by the requisite 19th century image of immigrants aboard an arriving ship looking at and standing in awe of the Statue of Liberty.

    https://www.facebook.com/OpenBordersTheCase/

    When arguing with open border advocates, we are essentially arguing with economic cultists; but with the rise of tech etc., people are becoming more and more superfluous to economic activity; the contributions are made by a few at the top and the machines they inspire. Humans on the planet are becoming a vanity project. I would think the economic arguments would fall away, but the advocates even more strongly wave around their sacred texts and demand obedience to the old orthodoxy.

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  158. bomag says:
    @Corvinus
    "While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants..."

    Another False News Story on your part! It was the media who were CONSERVATIVE in their views, who sought to PRESERVE American traditions. Nativists sought to KEEP what they had.

    "the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam."

    The American press is pro-American, which includes different races, ethnicities, and religions.

    "Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them."

    Listen to yourself. You take four incidents and indict an ENTIRE group of people. I employ YOUR rationale by making reference to Italian violence to show how it can be employed to denigrate an entire people. Rather than seeing the flaw of your own logic, you double down SJW-style by completely downplaying this Italian penchant for violence. If you are going to be consistent with your OWN reasoning, admitting that both Italians and Muslims have uber-aggressive tendencies would serve you well.

    "Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide."

    Do you have any actual numbers to back up your claim?

    Since 1992, the number of Mafia murders in Italy, while on the decline, is roughly 3350 in total. That is ONLY in this country. What about the Mafia murders in the United States since the early 1900's?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10775203/Italian-mafia-murders-down-says-UN-report.html

    "And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians."

    Right, like the Sicilian Mafia, for example, has refrained from targeting the common folk and those who opposed them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_the_Sicilian_Mafia

    Remember, the Cosa Nostra demands that businesses, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, and craftsmen to pay a pizzo, or protection money, to crime syndicates controlling their area, lest their business is taken over.

    "You look at The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren’t whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc."

    The overall goal of the Italian mafia was control through fear and bloodshed. Again, if we employ YOUR logic, then you have to admit that the Italians overall have a knack for violence. It is in-born, similar to Muslims. Why do you protect a group of people who are well-known for their uber-aggressiveness?

    You're drowning in your own stupidity.

    Corvinus, you make a series of strained moral equivalence arguments, but you miss the big picture.

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  159. Svigor says:

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane’s “Not Me” philosophy.

    You are waving the logic “an immigrant is an immigrant is an immigrant” like a banner, as if it isn’t stupid.

    You seem to engage in magical thinking: “Some people didn’t want the Irish here and they turned out okay; some people don’t want the Muslims here, ergo, they must be okay, too.”

    Listen to yourself. You take four incidents and indict an ENTIRE group of people

    Listen to yourself. You just referred to 9/11 (and various mass murders) as “incidents.”

    You’re drowning in your own stupidity.

    You have no room to call anyone stupid.

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  160. Svigor says:

    “And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians.”

    Right, like the Sicilian Mafia, for example, has refrained from targeting the common folk and those who opposed them.

    You have habit of restating what people say, and acting as if you have refuted something, when you have not. Not the mark of someone who has room to call anyone “stupid.”

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  161. Corvinus says:
    @guest
    Where's the revision? The above poster didn't say nativists* welcomed Italians with open arms. They said Italians are more at home in American culture than Muslims. Which can be true even if WASPs at the time of peak Italian immigration hated those bloody papists to a man.

    "were the nativist correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?"

    If they were incorrect, does that mean people who think Muslims won't sufficiently assimilate are incorrect, too? No. So what's your point?

    *I've noticed people invoking this term a lot lately with the implication, never explained or even made explicit, that it's supposed to be bad. Since when was "nativism" a dirty word? I must have missed that class in high school, because it doesn't have that rhetorical effect on me.

    It's like how you can see a neocon author shudder through the text when they write the word "isolationist." I don't think that term is accurately applied, but nevertheless, it doesn't bother me. I'm an isolationist? Oh, okay, fine.

    “Where’s the revision? The above poster didn’t say nativists* welcomed Italians with open arms. They said Italians are more at home in American culture than Muslims. Which can be true even if WASPs at the time of peak Italian immigration hated those bloody papists to a man.”

    What above poster are you talking about?

    In any event, here is the revisionist history lesson. Nativists in the late 1800′s claimed that the Irish and the Italians were other than capable of becoming Americanized, that these two groups were sub-human and uncivilized. In particular, nativists argued that Roman Catholicism and their cultural behaviors was incompatible with our society, that Ireland and Italy were not sending their best, but “paupers and thieves and knaves”. These groups made claims to the contrary, stating that their hard work and willingness to embrace our ways of life would bear fruit for the United States over the long term. Now, the offspring of those groups–Irish and Italians–who faced the same discrimination are employing the same logic, the Bil Keane “Not Me” philosophy. The Irish and Italians faced EXACTLY the same levels of scrutiny as do Muslims, yet somehow the “well, they were white and European” card is being played here. Nativists at that time were unconvinced about the racial and ethnic composition of the incoming groups, they were deathly concerned about the composition and character of the nation forever changing for the worse.

    “were the nativist correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?”

    Simple yes or no. Again, I ask this question.

    “*I’ve noticed people invoking this term a lot lately with the implication, never explained or even made explicit, that it’s supposed to be bad. Since when was “nativism” a dirty word? I must have missed that class in high school, because it doesn’t have that rhetorical effect on me.”

    Nativism–the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants.

    The issue historically has been that nativists have employed dubious scientific principles and engaged in physical violence as “evidence” that incoming groups are inferior to the founding stock of a nation.

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  162. Gabriel M says:
    @Corvinus
    "Eh, no contradiction."

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane's "Not Me" philosophy.

    "Being slow to assimilate doesn’t mean never assimilating."

    So, using your logic, immigrants who have been charged with by nativists for "slowly assimilating" will eventually become part of our culture. Glad we cleared that up.

    "Nice to know you want whites to go the way of the American Indians."

    Your friend was the one who said that Italians and the Irish, YOUR fellow whites, in retrospect ought NOT to have been allowed into the United States. He, not me, is the one who embodies your statement.

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane’s “Not Me” philosophy.

    It’s really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs. The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime or violent political radicalism. This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence.

    That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians.

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    It’s really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs."

    As well as benefits.

    "The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty..."

    Initially. But as families who have come here from different parts of the world have repeatedly demonstrated, they immerse themselves in our language, customs, and institutions. As a result, that loyalty becomes abundantly clear and cemented by their offspring.

    "leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime..."

    No, some immigrants may turn to thieving or murdering if that was their predisposition or character. Most immigrants who came to our country had been law abiding citizens and adhered to our laws.

    "or violent political radicalism."

    This political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.

    "This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence."

    It was true of every immigrant group who had some members who were other than moral in their actions.

    "That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians."

    About IQ tests...

    www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

    And regarding your comparison, Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.
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  163. Svigor says:

    The issue historically has been that nativists have employed dubious scientific principles and engaged in physical violence as “evidence” that incoming groups are inferior to the founding stock of a nation.

    This is a lie for which you have not provided proof (obviously, what with it being a lie and all). You never seem to live up to the standards you’ve been insisting on for everyone else (but then, you’re a leftist, so that’s to be expected).

    Then you are using that lie to support a fallacy; “nativists” were wrong once, so they most be wrong all the time. It’s about as reasonable as saying that a sports team lost the last game, so they must lose the next.

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  164. Svigor says:

    Simple yes or no. Again, I ask this question.

    Other commenters are no more here to answer your stupid questions, than you are here to respond to the drubbing I’ve been giving you lately. Again, live up to your own standards.

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  165. Svigor says:

    Libertarian Gary Johnson ran on the platform of open borders, but he did not promise to abolish the welfare state if he was elected POTUS in order to make up for open borders. How does that make Libertarians different from the Democrats?

    Great question.

    “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place.”

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    So, you acknowledge that Hitler and the Nazis were anti-White, not pro-White. Thanks.

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  166. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus
    "Comparing Italian immigrants to Muslim immigrants is comparing apples to oranges. We Italians are way more culturally similar to WASPs than we will ever be to Muslims."

    Wonderful job at revisionist history. Nativists viewed Italians as especially egregious in their conduct and actions, especially since a number of them were Roman Catholic. Italians were also not welcomed by the trade union movement, considering Italians were willing to work for just about any amount of money. "We keep out pauper-made goods, why not keep out the pauper?" stated an add placed by the American Federation of a Labor.

    The American Protective Association was organized to close the doors to Roman Catholics. Their argument? The pope would end up ruling America.

    The American press was other than friendly toward the Italian immigrants. As the numbers of Italians entering Ellis Island grew, references were made regarding "a herd of steerage slime". In 1882, Thomas Bailey Aldrich published a poem in the Atlantic Monthly that began "Wide open and unguarded stand our gates, and then through them passes a wild motley throng", a reference made to Eastern and Southern Europeans.

    And, of course, we all know that Italians are linked to gangsterism, past and present.

    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/italian8.html

    "One of the bloodiest episodes took place in New Orleans in 1891. When the chief of police was found shot to death on the street one night, the mayor blamed “Sicilian gangsters” and rounded up more than 100 Sicilian Americans. Eventually, 19 were put on trial and, as the nation’s Italian Americans watched nervously, were found not guilty for lack of evidence. Before they could be freed, however, a mob of 10,000 people, including many of New Orleans’ most prominent citizens, broke into the jail. They dragged 11 Sicilians from their cells and lynched them, including two men jailed on other offenses. Italians worldwide were outraged, but the U.S. press generally approved of the action. It was the largest single mass lynching in U.S. history."

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?

    They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English….

    And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I’m pretty sure that they would pick the Italians……

    “Ellis Island nostalgia” is no substitute for clear thinking.

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    "And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I’m pretty sure that they would pick the Italians…"

    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about "nostalgia".

    "They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English…."

    Replace "correctly perceived" with "assumed" or "generalized". So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to "pose fewer problems" than the Italians?
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  167. snorlax says:
    @Corvinus
    "While the Left Wing American press back than were extremely hostile towards Italian immigrants..."

    Another False News Story on your part! It was the media who were CONSERVATIVE in their views, who sought to PRESERVE American traditions. Nativists sought to KEEP what they had.

    "the Left Wing American press have always been Muslim friendly. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NPR, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, etc are all pro-Islam."

    The American press is pro-American, which includes different races, ethnicities, and religions.

    "Have Italians ever flew an airplane into a skyscraper? Have they ever shot up an office because they were offended by the sight of a Christmas tree? Have they ever shot up a Gay nightclub? Have they ever set off a bomb in Boston? The answer is no to all of them."

    Listen to yourself. You take four incidents and indict an ENTIRE group of people. I employ YOUR rationale by making reference to Italian violence to show how it can be employed to denigrate an entire people. Rather than seeing the flaw of your own logic, you double down SJW-style by completely downplaying this Italian penchant for violence. If you are going to be consistent with your OWN reasoning, admitting that both Italians and Muslims have uber-aggressive tendencies would serve you well.

    "Who murders way more people per year? ISIS or Cosa Nostra? The answer is ISIS by a huge landslide."

    Do you have any actual numbers to back up your claim?

    Since 1992, the number of Mafia murders in Italy, while on the decline, is roughly 3350 in total. That is ONLY in this country. What about the Mafia murders in the United States since the early 1900's?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10775203/Italian-mafia-murders-down-says-UN-report.html

    "And Cosa Nostra overwhelmingly murders other criminals who are part of their criminal world while ISIS overwhelmingly murders innocent civilians."

    Right, like the Sicilian Mafia, for example, has refrained from targeting the common folk and those who opposed them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_the_Sicilian_Mafia

    Remember, the Cosa Nostra demands that businesses, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, and craftsmen to pay a pizzo, or protection money, to crime syndicates controlling their area, lest their business is taken over.

    "You look at The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in 1929 Chicago it was all about Al Capone sending his Italian crew to whack a bunch of Irish gangsters, they weren’t whacking innocent civilians like what Muslims did in Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, New York City, London, Madrid, Nice, Paris, etc."

    The overall goal of the Italian mafia was control through fear and bloodshed. Again, if we employ YOUR logic, then you have to admit that the Italians overall have a knack for violence. It is in-born, similar to Muslims. Why do you protect a group of people who are well-known for their uber-aggressiveness?

    You're drowning in your own stupidity.

    ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn’t able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they’ve killed.

    It’s adorable that you think the Italian Mafia is still a going concern. The Italian Mafia consists of septua-, octo- and nonagenarian inmates and parolees who all ratted on each other. Even the nonagenarians got in well after the peak. The more youthful and vigorous wise guys have their oxygen tanks strapped to their La-Z-Boys instead of their hospital beds.

    And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British. I’m sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is). This has always been the case for as long as there’s been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn’t.

    But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone’s day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals’ modern-day ethnic pets. The St. Valentine’s Day Massacre would just be any old day in today’s Chiraq. (CPD officers who served in Bush’s Folly report that the comparison flatters Chicago).

    Even a century ago, much less today, the difference between the British and the Italians is but angels dancing on the head of a pin compared to the vast gulf, worlds, infinities of space between Italians and the Muslim world.

    Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn’t put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated.

    If an interdimensional portal appeared in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and out popped Hitler’s victorious Nazi Germany, nobody would say we should take in unlimited numbers, millions-upon-millions of Nazi immigrants.

    That we couldn’t so much as even ask them whether or not they were Nazis before letting them in. That after killing thousands of us believers in Judeo-Bolshevism in mass terror campaigns, the important take-away is that not all Nazis do that, and so Nazi immigration must be doubled.

    And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place.

    Anyone who dared disagree was fired from their job, rendered unemployable, expelled from polite society and beaten by brave antifascists. In this way we avoided empowering the Japanese extremists, a valuable lesson for when other groups might kill 2,998 Americans in an attack on defenseless civilian targets.

    That’s how we deal with the Aryan Nations. We can’t let the actions of only a few radical Aryans effect our decision-making. We need to understand the root causes of the conflict with the Aryan community. Many grew up poor, with few advantages, in broken homes, and only went to prison because they couldn’t afford a good lawyer. Most only join to avoid sexual torture.

    Above all, we must avoid painting all Aryans with the same brush, as this will only empower the extremist Aryans. We must remember that there are many moderate Aryans, who have black friends, who let Jews and Hispanics join, and who heroically save lives, risking their own, as invaluable FBI informants.

    We must ban all job and other discrimination against Aryans, and make sure we’re electing enough Aryan politicians. We must end Aryan underrepresentation in higher education, and establish departments of Aryan Studies.

    The President must reach out to and include the perspectives of the Aryan community, for example by appointing Aryans to the Cabinet. We must open our doors to all Aryans where they are persecuted overseas.

    I can’t think of a more foolproof plan to discourage Aryan extremism.

    Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences.

    People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party, without fear of public or private persecution.

    In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it.

    In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture, and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed.

    It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture. It was blindingly obvious to Italians that Islamic culture could never be compatible with Italian culture, so they also allowed no Muslim immigration.

    It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who’d have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea. Not even Emma Lazarus would’ve been in favor of Muslim immigration.

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    Well said.

    But Corvinus isn't worth that kind of effort. He's an "Open Borders" fanatic, the kind of person who thinks that the past is an infallible guide to the present.....

    To him, all people are exactly alike. Irish Catholics are interchangeable with Muslims....Black Africans are the same as the Japanese....etc, etc....
    , @Corvinus
    "ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn’t able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they’ve killed."

    ISIS represents a subset of the entire Muslim population, which includes people from the Middle East, Africa, and the Pacific (Indonesia).


    "And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British."

    How does one measure even measure it? What criteria is involved here?

    "I’m sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is)."

    How are you so sure? If that be the case, then Italians would have remained in their home country.

    "This has always been the case for as long as there’s been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn’t."

    Source? If you are going to make this statement, the least you can do is back it up.

    "But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone’s day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals’ modern-day ethnic pets."

    Now look at who is doubling down, SJW-style.

    "Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn’t put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated."

    American Muslims who have been here for generations do not engage in those practices.

    "And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet."

    Comparing that Nazis would be shocked at the level of violence of ISIS has comedic gold written all over it.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    "So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place."

    Snark suits you. You do realize that there was not a single incident of Japanese American terrorism here and that Japanese American men served with distinction in our armed forces during World War 2. Furthermore, the United States government eventually acknowledged that their policy of internment was unjustified and undignified.

    "Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences. People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party..."

    Yes.

    "without fear of public or private persecution."

    No.

    "In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it."

    That's not entirely accurate. Italians indeed bitterly opposed it.

    http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5079

    "In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture..."

    No, nativists were decidedly opposed to Italians because of their religion (Roman Catholicism) and their cultural practices.

    "and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed."

    Muslim immigration was allowed from the 1870's to the 1920's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_immigration_to_the_United_States#1870s.E2.80.931920s

    "It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture."

    False News Story on your part.

    "It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who’d have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea."

    Well, if Muslim immigration was allowed at that point in time, then your claim is inaccurate.

    "Not even Emma Lazarus would’ve been in favor of Muslim immigration."

    How are YOU so certain?
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  168. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus
    "Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place."

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    It would be much better for Americans in the U.S. today and their future descendants, to end Muslim immigration entirely and to begin systematic steps to expel Muslims presently here. "

    American Muslims who are citizens are not going to be deported.

    “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place.”

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!

    But a pro Anglo-American statement…..

    But that’s spilt milk……The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society……

    I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims…..

    And why would we want to try? Because SJWs are xenophiles? Because corporations desire open borders?

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    "But a pro Anglo-American statement…"

    Except a supermajority of Americans do not view themselves as "Anglo-American", nor do they advocate that the United States ought to be "Anglo-American" in nature.

    "But that’s spilt milk……The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society..."

    As have the Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, Syrians, Nigerians, Ecuadoreans...

    "I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims…."

    One of the major surveys is from 2011, when the Pew Research Center conducted telephone interviews with 1,033 Muslims in the United States, in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu. Specifically, 56 percent of Muslim Americans said that most Muslims coming to the United States today want to adopt American customs and ways of life. Only 20 percent said most Muslims coming to the U.S. want to be distinct from the larger American society, Pew found, while 16 percent said Muslim immigrants want to do both. (Incidentally, this is far different than the views of Americans at large; just 33 percent of Americans of all backgrounds told Pew that most Muslim immigrants want to adopt American ways, while 51 percent said Muslim immigrants want to remain distinct from the larger culture.)

    Notably, Pew found some striking similarities between the views of American Christians and American Muslims.

    For instance, about half of Muslims said they thought of themselves first as a Muslim, rather than as American. A different Pew survey found a nearly identical fraction of Christians in the United States, 46 percent, saying they thought of themselves first as Christian, rather than as American. And near-identical percentages of Muslims and Christians said there was no conflict with being devout in their own religion and part of a modern society. (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)
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  169. syonredux says:
    @snorlax
    ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn't able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they've killed.

    It's adorable that you think the Italian Mafia is still a going concern. The Italian Mafia consists of septua-, octo- and nonagenarian inmates and parolees who all ratted on each other. Even the nonagenarians got in well after the peak. The more youthful and vigorous wise guys have their oxygen tanks strapped to their La-Z-Boys instead of their hospital beds.

    And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British. I'm sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is). This has always been the case for as long as there's been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn't.

    But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone's day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals' modern-day ethnic pets. The St. Valentine's Day Massacre would just be any old day in today's Chiraq. (CPD officers who served in Bush's Folly report that the comparison flatters Chicago).

    Even a century ago, much less today, the difference between the British and the Italians is but angels dancing on the head of a pin compared to the vast gulf, worlds, infinities of space between Italians and the Muslim world.

    Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn't put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated.

    If an interdimensional portal appeared in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and out popped Hitler's victorious Nazi Germany, nobody would say we should take in unlimited numbers, millions-upon-millions of Nazi immigrants.

    That we couldn't so much as even ask them whether or not they were Nazis before letting them in. That after killing thousands of us believers in Judeo-Bolshevism in mass terror campaigns, the important take-away is that not all Nazis do that, and so Nazi immigration must be doubled.

    And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place.

    Anyone who dared disagree was fired from their job, rendered unemployable, expelled from polite society and beaten by brave antifascists. In this way we avoided empowering the Japanese extremists, a valuable lesson for when other groups might kill 2,998 Americans in an attack on defenseless civilian targets.

    That's how we deal with the Aryan Nations. We can't let the actions of only a few radical Aryans effect our decision-making. We need to understand the root causes of the conflict with the Aryan community. Many grew up poor, with few advantages, in broken homes, and only went to prison because they couldn't afford a good lawyer. Most only join to avoid sexual torture.

    Above all, we must avoid painting all Aryans with the same brush, as this will only empower the extremist Aryans. We must remember that there are many moderate Aryans, who have black friends, who let Jews and Hispanics join, and who heroically save lives, risking their own, as invaluable FBI informants.

    We must ban all job and other discrimination against Aryans, and make sure we're electing enough Aryan politicians. We must end Aryan underrepresentation in higher education, and establish departments of Aryan Studies.

    The President must reach out to and include the perspectives of the Aryan community, for example by appointing Aryans to the Cabinet. We must open our doors to all Aryans where they are persecuted overseas.

    I can't think of a more foolproof plan to discourage Aryan extremism.

    Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences.

    People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party, without fear of public or private persecution.

    In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it.

    In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture, and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed.

    It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture. It was blindingly obvious to Italians that Islamic culture could never be compatible with Italian culture, so they also allowed no Muslim immigration.

    It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who'd have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea. Not even Emma Lazarus would've been in favor of Muslim immigration.

    Well said.

    But Corvinus isn’t worth that kind of effort. He’s an “Open Borders” fanatic, the kind of person who thinks that the past is an infallible guide to the present…..

    To him, all people are exactly alike. Irish Catholics are interchangeable with Muslims….Black Africans are the same as the Japanese….etc, etc….

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  170. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    So, were the nativists correct in their assessment and treatment of your ancestors?
     
    They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English....

    And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I'm pretty sure that they would pick the Italians......


    "Ellis Island nostalgia" is no substitute for clear thinking.

    “And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I’m pretty sure that they would pick the Italians…”

    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about “nostalgia”.

    “They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English….”

    Replace “correctly perceived” with “assumed” or “generalized”. So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to “pose fewer problems” than the Italians?

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    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about “nostalgia”.
     
    Of course, dear fellow. In an ideal world, they would have kept both groups out. My point had to do with the removal of choice. Unlike you, the nativists knew that populations were not interchangeable. Hence, I'm quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians.....

    Replace “correctly perceived” with “assumed” or “generalized”. So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to “pose fewer problems” than the Italians?
     
    Cultural compatibility, for one. To cite the obvious, you don't need to teach the English English....
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  171. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus
    "And, if the nativists were forced to choose between Muslims and Italians, I’m pretty sure that they would pick the Italians…"

    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about "nostalgia".

    "They were simply being prudent. Immigrants should be chosen on the basis of how readily they can be absorbed, and the nativists correctly perceived that Italians would be pose more problems than, say, the English…."

    Replace "correctly perceived" with "assumed" or "generalized". So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to "pose fewer problems" than the Italians?

    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about “nostalgia”.

    Of course, dear fellow. In an ideal world, they would have kept both groups out. My point had to do with the removal of choice. Unlike you, the nativists knew that populations were not interchangeable. Hence, I’m quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians…..

    Replace “correctly perceived” with “assumed” or “generalized”. So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to “pose fewer problems” than the Italians?

    Cultural compatibility, for one. To cite the obvious, you don’t need to teach the English English….

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    "Of course, dear fellow. In an ideal world, they would have kept both groups out."

    How very anti-white of you to say.

    "Hence, I’m quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians…"

    No, nativists did NOT prefer Irishmen, nor Muslim Egyptians, nor Italians. They preferred their own kind, aka WASPs.

    "Cultural compatibility, for one."

    Again, how does one definitively measure "cultural compatibility"?

    "To cite the obvious, you don’t need to teach the English English…"

    Actually, you DO. English infants must be taught the language. Some aren't very strong in their grammar, spelling, word usage, and paragraph construction.
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  172. Corvinus says:
    @snorlax
    ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn't able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they've killed.

    It's adorable that you think the Italian Mafia is still a going concern. The Italian Mafia consists of septua-, octo- and nonagenarian inmates and parolees who all ratted on each other. Even the nonagenarians got in well after the peak. The more youthful and vigorous wise guys have their oxygen tanks strapped to their La-Z-Boys instead of their hospital beds.

    And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British. I'm sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is). This has always been the case for as long as there's been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn't.

    But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone's day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals' modern-day ethnic pets. The St. Valentine's Day Massacre would just be any old day in today's Chiraq. (CPD officers who served in Bush's Folly report that the comparison flatters Chicago).

    Even a century ago, much less today, the difference between the British and the Italians is but angels dancing on the head of a pin compared to the vast gulf, worlds, infinities of space between Italians and the Muslim world.

    Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn't put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated.

    If an interdimensional portal appeared in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and out popped Hitler's victorious Nazi Germany, nobody would say we should take in unlimited numbers, millions-upon-millions of Nazi immigrants.

    That we couldn't so much as even ask them whether or not they were Nazis before letting them in. That after killing thousands of us believers in Judeo-Bolshevism in mass terror campaigns, the important take-away is that not all Nazis do that, and so Nazi immigration must be doubled.

    And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place.

    Anyone who dared disagree was fired from their job, rendered unemployable, expelled from polite society and beaten by brave antifascists. In this way we avoided empowering the Japanese extremists, a valuable lesson for when other groups might kill 2,998 Americans in an attack on defenseless civilian targets.

    That's how we deal with the Aryan Nations. We can't let the actions of only a few radical Aryans effect our decision-making. We need to understand the root causes of the conflict with the Aryan community. Many grew up poor, with few advantages, in broken homes, and only went to prison because they couldn't afford a good lawyer. Most only join to avoid sexual torture.

    Above all, we must avoid painting all Aryans with the same brush, as this will only empower the extremist Aryans. We must remember that there are many moderate Aryans, who have black friends, who let Jews and Hispanics join, and who heroically save lives, risking their own, as invaluable FBI informants.

    We must ban all job and other discrimination against Aryans, and make sure we're electing enough Aryan politicians. We must end Aryan underrepresentation in higher education, and establish departments of Aryan Studies.

    The President must reach out to and include the perspectives of the Aryan community, for example by appointing Aryans to the Cabinet. We must open our doors to all Aryans where they are persecuted overseas.

    I can't think of a more foolproof plan to discourage Aryan extremism.

    Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences.

    People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party, without fear of public or private persecution.

    In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it.

    In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture, and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed.

    It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture. It was blindingly obvious to Italians that Islamic culture could never be compatible with Italian culture, so they also allowed no Muslim immigration.

    It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who'd have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea. Not even Emma Lazarus would've been in favor of Muslim immigration.

    “ISIS executed 1700 prisoners in just one mass execution. Which was not even all the people they killed that day. They killed 5,000 men and took 7,000 women as sex slaves among the Yazidis whom the UN wasn’t able to airlift off of Mt. Sinjar. Those are just a few of the tens of thousands of people they’ve killed.”

    ISIS represents a subset of the entire Muslim population, which includes people from the Middle East, Africa, and the Pacific (Indonesia).

    “And yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt Italians are less law-abiding than the British.”

    How does one measure even measure it? What criteria is involved here?

    “I’m sure most Italian-Americans would readily agree. (To a fault, they tell it like it is).”

    How are you so sure? If that be the case, then Italians would have remained in their home country.

    “This has always been the case for as long as there’s been a recorded history of both peoples, and it always will be. Even in Roman times, Roma was notoriously crime-ridden, Londinium wasn’t.”

    Source? If you are going to make this statement, the least you can do is back it up.

    “But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone’s day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals’ modern-day ethnic pets.”

    Now look at who is doubling down, SJW-style.

    “Forget about today, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn’t put their women in burkas and have barbers snip off their clitorises and marry 6-year-olds and practice polygamy and ban women from leaving their homes and force victims to marry their rapists and consider wife-beating legal and religiously-mandated.”

    American Muslims who have been here for generations do not engage in those practices.

    “And yet the cultural gap between the Nazis and Berkeley gender-studies majors is far more easily bridged than the one we face. Even Nazi jaws would drop at the depravity of IS — chaining child prisoners to lampposts and executing them with chainsaws, streamed live on the internet.”

    Comparing that Nazis would be shocked at the level of violence of ISIS has comedic gold written all over it.

    On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing 2,471 Americans.

    “So FDR wisely doubled the level of Japanese immigration, set the entire media-educational apparatus to work informing us that nearly all Japanese have never attacked America, Shinto is a religion of peace, most Japanese are in fact moderate Japanese and besides the whole conflict was started by racist white European colonialism in the first place.”

    Snark suits you. You do realize that there was not a single incident of Japanese American terrorism here and that Japanese American men served with distinction in our armed forces during World War 2. Furthermore, the United States government eventually acknowledged that their policy of internment was unjustified and undignified.

    “Back to the Italians, 19th-century Americans decided to allow unlimited Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. Everyone acknowledged that there were cultural differences between Americans and new Italian immigrants, and debated whether further Italian immigration was justified in light of those differences. People could freely discuss the pros and cons of further Italian immigration in any publication or with any political party…”

    Yes.

    “without fear of public or private persecution.”

    No.

    “In 1924, Americans decided to stop most Italian immigration, as was their democratic right. The behavior of Italian-Americans saw an immediate, dramatic increase in the speed with which it improved. Italian-Americans did not and have not ever started complaining about it.”

    That’s not entirely accurate. Italians indeed bitterly opposed it.

    http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5079

    “In the 19th and early 20th century, while most Americans believed that Italian immigrants were compatible with our culture…”

    No, nativists were decidedly opposed to Italians because of their religion (Roman Catholicism) and their cultural practices.

    “and so we allowed unlimited Italian immigration, no Muslim immigration was allowed.”

    Muslim immigration was allowed from the 1870′s to the 1920′s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_immigration_to_the_United_States#1870s.E2.80.931920s

    “It was blindingly obvious that Islamic culture could never be compatible with American culture.”

    False News Story on your part.

    “It was not even a debate. You would not be able to find anyone in the 19th century who’d have thought Muslim immigration was a good idea.”

    Well, if Muslim immigration was allowed at that point in time, then your claim is inaccurate.

    “Not even Emma Lazarus would’ve been in favor of Muslim immigration.”

    How are YOU so certain?

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  173. Svigor says:

    If an interdimensional portal appeared in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and out popped Hitler’s victorious Nazi Germany, nobody would say we should take in unlimited numbers, millions-upon-millions of Nazi immigrants.

    Thanks for reminding me. Using Corvinus’ logic, denying immigration to Nazis would be immoral. Nativists were wrong about the Irish, goes the argument, so they have to be wrong about everyone else, including Nazis. Sure, Nazis invaded France and conducted mass killings of Jews, but that was just a tiny fraction of Nazis, just like Islamic State and Al Qaeda are a small fraction of Muslims. Nazism is no more to blame for the holocaust than Islam is responsible for Islamic State. We can’t not reward Nazis wholesale, based on a few incidents in the forties.

    Prediction: in the unlikely event Corvinus responds to this point, yes, he will agree that blocking immigration of Nazis is immoral.

    PS, I still wonder if he took his handle from that silly series of vampire movies.

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  174. Svigor says:

    “But even at the very height of the Italian Mafia, back in Al Capone’s day, they were not but a fraction as violent as any of the liberals’ modern-day ethnic pets.”

    Now look at who is doubling down, SJW-style.

    It’s funny how loony you are. Does that really sound good in your head, as you type it? Yeah, doubling-down is inherently “SJW style.” You’re not taking the meme waaay too far, or anything.

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  175. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    No, nativists would have chosen NEITHER group to enter our shores. Talk about “nostalgia”.
     
    Of course, dear fellow. In an ideal world, they would have kept both groups out. My point had to do with the removal of choice. Unlike you, the nativists knew that populations were not interchangeable. Hence, I'm quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians.....

    Replace “correctly perceived” with “assumed” or “generalized”. So, what metrics are involved when determining that the English were less inclined to “pose fewer problems” than the Italians?
     
    Cultural compatibility, for one. To cite the obvious, you don't need to teach the English English....

    “Of course, dear fellow. In an ideal world, they would have kept both groups out.”

    How very anti-white of you to say.

    “Hence, I’m quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians…”

    No, nativists did NOT prefer Irishmen, nor Muslim Egyptians, nor Italians. They preferred their own kind, aka WASPs.

    “Cultural compatibility, for one.”

    Again, how does one definitively measure “cultural compatibility”?

    “To cite the obvious, you don’t need to teach the English English…”

    Actually, you DO. English infants must be taught the language. Some aren’t very strong in their grammar, spelling, word usage, and paragraph construction.

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  176. Svigor says:

    Actually, you DO. English infants must be taught the language. Some aren’t very strong in their grammar, spelling, word usage, and paragraph construction.

    So, immigrants are our babies, to be breastfed, have their diapers changed, taught to speak and read, have college funds set aside for them, etc. Somehow, I don’t think that one’s going to catch on.

    Again, you sound like a loony. A proud loony, though, so have fun with it I guess.

    “Hence, I’m quite sure that they would have preferred Irishmen to Muslim Egyptians…”

    No, nativists did NOT prefer Irishmen, nor Muslim Egyptians, nor Italians. They preferred their own kind, aka WASPs.

    Projection. “Nativists” would have preferred groups more similar to themselves over groups less similar; then, just as they do now. “Nativists” aren’t the ones who are unable to see the differences between Irish and MENAs. You are.

    Again, how does one definitively measure “cultural compatibility”?

    All sorts of ways. Observation and heuristics, mostly. But that’s not really what you’re asking. Your real question is, “what can you say to convince me you can definitively measure ‘cultural compatibility’?”

    The answer to that is “nothing. Nothing whatsoever.” Your mind is made up, and you are not open to persuasion. Which is fine by me; I don’t care what you believe.

    P.S., I see two options here. 1., you are aware of how dishonest you are. In this (most likely) case, carry on. 2. You are largely incapable of noticing distinctions, differences, etc. In that case, haven’t you noticed profound difficulties that you incur in life, that others don’t? I know a complete inability to notice distinctions would prevent that, too, but I’ve never heard of such. In the event that you have noticed the difficulties, have you considered deferring to others on important matters?

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  177. Corvinus says:
    @Gabriel M

    White knighting for your friend. I totally get it. You dare not admit than in reality, the Irish and the Italians back in the day faced the same obstacles as current immigrants endured, yet the children of those groups today are employing Bill Keane’s “Not Me” philosophy.
     
    It's really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs. The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime or violent political radicalism. This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence.

    That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians.

    It’s really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs.”

    As well as benefits.

    “The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty…”

    Initially. But as families who have come here from different parts of the world have repeatedly demonstrated, they immerse themselves in our language, customs, and institutions. As a result, that loyalty becomes abundantly clear and cemented by their offspring.

    “leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime…”

    No, some immigrants may turn to thieving or murdering if that was their predisposition or character. Most immigrants who came to our country had been law abiding citizens and adhered to our laws.

    “or violent political radicalism.”

    This political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.

    “This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence.”

    It was true of every immigrant group who had some members who were other than moral in their actions.

    “That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians.”

    About IQ tests…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

    And regarding your comparison, Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.

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    political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.
     
    Are you justifying violent political radicalism here? Under what conditions? Don't say, "when they feel like they have to." That could justify anything.

    The IQ refutation does not work, because even if low IQ's were due to other external factors, those other external factors are there, such that an individual with a 68 IQ is not going to be magically transformed into a 115 IQ if he moves to Minnesota. It doesn't work like that in real life.

    Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.
     
    Okay, so Somalis have IQ's of 68. But IQ's are meaningless, and even if they meant something, it's due to external factors, and, besides, it's all the fault of the White Man. That's just a guilt trip. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

    Now with regard to the Somalis in Minnesota. Will they be fully assimilated in 30 years? Sort of like the generations upon generations of unassimilated Muslims living in Europe? And if they do assimilate, with whom are they going to assimilate?
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  178. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Southern Italians and the Irish were the slowest Europeans to assimilate and their assimilation changed American culture for the worse. It would have been better for the Americans already in the country in the 19th Century, and their descendants today, had southern Italians and the Irish been kept out in the first place.”

    What a completely anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement to make!
     
    But a pro Anglo-American statement.....

    But that's spilt milk......The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society......

    I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims.....

    And why would we want to try? Because SJWs are xenophiles? Because corporations desire open borders?

    “But a pro Anglo-American statement…”

    Except a supermajority of Americans do not view themselves as “Anglo-American”, nor do they advocate that the United States ought to be “Anglo-American” in nature.

    “But that’s spilt milk……The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society…”

    As have the Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, Syrians, Nigerians, Ecuadoreans…

    “I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims….”

    One of the major surveys is from 2011, when the Pew Research Center conducted telephone interviews with 1,033 Muslims in the United States, in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu. Specifically, 56 percent of Muslim Americans said that most Muslims coming to the United States today want to adopt American customs and ways of life. Only 20 percent said most Muslims coming to the U.S. want to be distinct from the larger American society, Pew found, while 16 percent said Muslim immigrants want to do both. (Incidentally, this is far different than the views of Americans at large; just 33 percent of Americans of all backgrounds told Pew that most Muslim immigrants want to adopt American ways, while 51 percent said Muslim immigrants want to remain distinct from the larger culture.)

    Notably, Pew found some striking similarities between the views of American Christians and American Muslims.

    For instance, about half of Muslims said they thought of themselves first as a Muslim, rather than as American. A different Pew survey found a nearly identical fraction of Christians in the United States, 46 percent, saying they thought of themselves first as Christian, rather than as American. And near-identical percentages of Muslims and Christians said there was no conflict with being devout in their own religion and part of a modern society. (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)

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    This was a fairly good refutation, although America by definition is an Anglo-American culture, all you have to do is read our founding documents and listen to our language. -- And I say this with a large "supermajority" of non-English ancestry.

    However ......


    (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)
     
    The second clause undercuts the entire argument, and since it applies to the younger generation we would call this a "trend."
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  179. SPMoore8 says:
    @Corvinus
    It’s really very simple. Ceritus Parebus, immigration has certain inbuilt costs."

    As well as benefits.

    "The experience of living in an unfamiliar environment and of being in a country with which you have no organic loyalty..."

    Initially. But as families who have come here from different parts of the world have repeatedly demonstrated, they immerse themselves in our language, customs, and institutions. As a result, that loyalty becomes abundantly clear and cemented by their offspring.

    "leads a disproportionately large amount of immigrants to take up a life of organised crime..."

    No, some immigrants may turn to thieving or murdering if that was their predisposition or character. Most immigrants who came to our country had been law abiding citizens and adhered to our laws.

    "or violent political radicalism."

    This political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.

    "This was true of Italians and this is why there was so much resistance to their presence."

    It was true of every immigrant group who had some members who were other than moral in their actions.

    "That was the case with Italians who are a high functioning (average IQ 102) group with a relatively low propensity for violence (murder rate 0.8 per 100,000) and tolerable, if not stellar, eusocial habits (53rd on the corruption index). Think what happens if you apply the same effect to a low functioning (average IQ 68) group with a high propensity for violence (5.8/100,000) who are so lacking in eusocial habits that they have no functioning state at all (153rd on corruption index) like Somalians."

    About IQ tests...

    www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

    And regarding your comparison, Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.

    political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.

    Are you justifying violent political radicalism here? Under what conditions? Don’t say, “when they feel like they have to.” That could justify anything.

    The IQ refutation does not work, because even if low IQ’s were due to other external factors, those other external factors are there, such that an individual with a 68 IQ is not going to be magically transformed into a 115 IQ if he moves to Minnesota. It doesn’t work like that in real life.

    Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.

    Okay, so Somalis have IQ’s of 68. But IQ’s are meaningless, and even if they meant something, it’s due to external factors, and, besides, it’s all the fault of the White Man. That’s just a guilt trip. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

    Now with regard to the Somalis in Minnesota. Will they be fully assimilated in 30 years? Sort of like the generations upon generations of unassimilated Muslims living in Europe? And if they do assimilate, with whom are they going to assimilate?

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    "Are you justifying violent political radicalism here? Under what conditions? Don’t say, “when they feel like they have to.” That could justify anything."

    The Sons and Daughters of Liberty and those who supported the Civil Rights Movement in the South were characterized as being radicals with a knack for violence in efforts to discredit their overall goals.

    "The IQ refutation does not work, because even if low IQ’s were due to other external factors, those other external factors are there, such that an individual with a 68 IQ is not going to be magically transformed into a 115 IQ if he moves to Minnesota. It doesn’t work like that in real life."

    The external factors account as to why a group of people have low IQ's. Nature and nurture matter. Of course, the 68 IQ Somali compared to a 94 IQ Pakistani is other than desirable when deciding who to enter our country as an immigrant. I would be interested as to know the general IQ's of those Europeans who had entered our shores by the millions in the late 1800's and compare their scores with their offspring to note their disparities.

    "Okay, so Somalis have IQ’s of 68. But IQ’s are meaningless, and even if they meant something, it’s due to external factors, and, besides, it’s all the fault of the White Man. That’s just a guilt trip. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case."

    The same guilt trip that "race realists" use when targeting "bad whites" who "defend" the actions "non-whites" at best, or marry and have children with "non-whites" at worst. Just speaking their language when the situation calls for it.

    "Now with regard to the Somalis in Minnesota. Will they be fully assimilated in 30 years? Sort of like the generations upon generations of unassimilated Muslims living in Europe? And if they do assimilate, with whom are they going to assimilate?""

    On average, it takes three generations.

    "The second clause undercuts the entire argument, and since it applies to the younger generation we would call this a “trend.”"

    I would be interested as to the line of thinking by the younger generation on this matter.
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  180. SPMoore8 says:
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    "But a pro Anglo-American statement…"

    Except a supermajority of Americans do not view themselves as "Anglo-American", nor do they advocate that the United States ought to be "Anglo-American" in nature.

    "But that’s spilt milk……The Irish and the Italians and the Germans have all been absorbed into Anglo-American society..."

    As have the Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, Syrians, Nigerians, Ecuadoreans...

    "I doubt that the same can be done with huge numbers of Middle Eastern Muslims…."

    One of the major surveys is from 2011, when the Pew Research Center conducted telephone interviews with 1,033 Muslims in the United States, in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu. Specifically, 56 percent of Muslim Americans said that most Muslims coming to the United States today want to adopt American customs and ways of life. Only 20 percent said most Muslims coming to the U.S. want to be distinct from the larger American society, Pew found, while 16 percent said Muslim immigrants want to do both. (Incidentally, this is far different than the views of Americans at large; just 33 percent of Americans of all backgrounds told Pew that most Muslim immigrants want to adopt American ways, while 51 percent said Muslim immigrants want to remain distinct from the larger culture.)

    Notably, Pew found some striking similarities between the views of American Christians and American Muslims.

    For instance, about half of Muslims said they thought of themselves first as a Muslim, rather than as American. A different Pew survey found a nearly identical fraction of Christians in the United States, 46 percent, saying they thought of themselves first as Christian, rather than as American. And near-identical percentages of Muslims and Christians said there was no conflict with being devout in their own religion and part of a modern society. (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)

    This was a fairly good refutation, although America by definition is an Anglo-American culture, all you have to do is read our founding documents and listen to our language. — And I say this with a large “supermajority” of non-English ancestry.

    However ……

    (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)

    The second clause undercuts the entire argument, and since it applies to the younger generation we would call this a “trend.”

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  181. Corvinus says:
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    political radicalism only becomes violent if the individual or group believes this course of action is necessary to make changes.
     
    Are you justifying violent political radicalism here? Under what conditions? Don't say, "when they feel like they have to." That could justify anything.

    The IQ refutation does not work, because even if low IQ's were due to other external factors, those other external factors are there, such that an individual with a 68 IQ is not going to be magically transformed into a 115 IQ if he moves to Minnesota. It doesn't work like that in real life.

    Somalia has undergone repeated political and economic instability which has led to low IQ scores and higher rates of violence. Of course, being under the thumb of European colonial rulers who pillaged and plundered that nation did not help matters.
     
    Okay, so Somalis have IQ's of 68. But IQ's are meaningless, and even if they meant something, it's due to external factors, and, besides, it's all the fault of the White Man. That's just a guilt trip. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

    Now with regard to the Somalis in Minnesota. Will they be fully assimilated in 30 years? Sort of like the generations upon generations of unassimilated Muslims living in Europe? And if they do assimilate, with whom are they going to assimilate?

    “Are you justifying violent political radicalism here? Under what conditions? Don’t say, “when they feel like they have to.” That could justify anything.”

    The Sons and Daughters of Liberty and those who supported the Civil Rights Movement in the South were characterized as being radicals with a knack for violence in efforts to discredit their overall goals.

    “The IQ refutation does not work, because even if low IQ’s were due to other external factors, those other external factors are there, such that an individual with a 68 IQ is not going to be magically transformed into a 115 IQ if he moves to Minnesota. It doesn’t work like that in real life.”

    The external factors account as to why a group of people have low IQ’s. Nature and nurture matter. Of course, the 68 IQ Somali compared to a 94 IQ Pakistani is other than desirable when deciding who to enter our country as an immigrant. I would be interested as to know the general IQ’s of those Europeans who had entered our shores by the millions in the late 1800′s and compare their scores with their offspring to note their disparities.

    “Okay, so Somalis have IQ’s of 68. But IQ’s are meaningless, and even if they meant something, it’s due to external factors, and, besides, it’s all the fault of the White Man. That’s just a guilt trip. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.”

    The same guilt trip that “race realists” use when targeting “bad whites” who “defend” the actions “non-whites” at best, or marry and have children with “non-whites” at worst. Just speaking their language when the situation calls for it.

    “Now with regard to the Somalis in Minnesota. Will they be fully assimilated in 30 years? Sort of like the generations upon generations of unassimilated Muslims living in Europe? And if they do assimilate, with whom are they going to assimilate?””

    On average, it takes three generations.

    “The second clause undercuts the entire argument, and since it applies to the younger generation we would call this a “trend.””

    I would be interested as to the line of thinking by the younger generation on this matter.

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