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From the Newspeak appendix to 1984:

Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

 
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  1. You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end"

    Is Donald J. Trump Darth Vader or is he Sheev Palpatine a.k.a Darth Sidious a.k.a The Emperor?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I'm Asian and I don't oppose the alt-right. In fact, I identify with them. Are you providing an example of goodthink here?
    , @Mr. Blank
    Not up to your usual standards, Tiny Duck. You can do better! We believe in you!
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Life is like Star Wars"

    Really? The purpose of life is to sell action figures and Happy Meals?
    , @Realist
    Tiny Duck....Charles Blow....you're kidding right?
    , @fish

    Life is like Star Wars....
     



    Wow.....Forrest Duck checking in!
    , @Out of Africa Albino
    Your love of diversity, in your own words, ends where my pigmentation begins. OK self hating Snow Flake, I call your bluff. Now go sign up for night classes at your local high school and get that G.E.D.
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    I always thought the “alt” in “alt-right” meant “alternative” as in “alternative lifestyle”, and that that was the reason for the prominence of figures like Jack Donovan and Richard Spencer. I didn’t know it came from the keyboard button.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Spencer's not openly gay, though lots of people have wondered. It would be kind of funny if the alt-right vs neocon fight boiled down to gay conservatives vs. Jewish conservatives.

    For any newbies, it was alternative to what was mainstream conservatism in the Bush era, which was lots of wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel, and lots of illegal immigration. It's now coming to mean 'conservatism based on white gentile identity politics', more or less.
  3. Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    I remember there weren't too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab. I suspect the MSM is trying to call as many people as they can 'alt-right' and then associate it with the hardcore Nazi segment in order to expand the range of views they can demonize.
    , @anonymous
    The 'Alt-Right' isn't selling membership cards.

    I'm not sure anyone is a 'member', but I can assure you there are many out there who share some of the opinions and outlooks that are grouped under the Alt-Right banner. Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)
    , @Hosswire
    I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts --- Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah --- get 100,000 downloads per week.

    , @Hibernian
    "...the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity."

    No pun intended, of course.
    , @Opinionator
    If Richard Spencer is the leader of the Alt Right, then its membership numbers less than two dozen.
    , @cucksworth
    Is it weird to identify politically as a juggalo?
    , @a Newsreader

    other non mainstream groups like ...The Flat Earther Society
     
    What, are you some sort of Sphere-Cuck?
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    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

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    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right.
     
    No, kidding, The whole point of the alt-right is to stop tilting at (ideological) windmills and actually engage the problem. This is a conflict between groups of people, not ideas.


    And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.
     
    I've seen no evidence of this. What have you seen?
    , @whorefinder
    Noticing that Semites have been the forefront of Anti-White-Gentile movements these days is perfectly rational. Trying to name call it away won't work.

    Stop trying to hide the man behind the curtain, it only makes Jewish Leftism look far worse and will only incite anger. Can't you admit Jews in America have different group interests than white gentiles, and that Jewish advancement of certain causes is not based on universal ideals but Jewish-group interests?

    If you admitted that, we could respect you intellectually. But until you do, you're just trying to deny the sky is blue.
    , @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.
    , @Emblematic
    You spelled it wrong. It's 'counter-Semites'.
    , @AndrewR
    Define "anti-Semite."

    That terms is generally used in order to demonize people critical of "Semite" supremacy.
    , @MBlanc46
    By anti-Semites, I assume that you mean Muslims.
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    I think most politicians are shape-’shift’-ers.

    Shift-Pols.

    They are full of Bullshift.

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  6. This ‘cultural libertarian’ movement seems to be gaining some momentum at least. A lot of non-alt-right people are annoyed at the left’s attempts at censorship.

    The guy’s article on why Cruz is a nerd is quite convincing, BTW.

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  7. My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

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    do not even use ctrl-c and -v

     

    More would if it was ctrl-c and -p
    , @cthulhu
    ...mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I configure everything that I can to use alt-w and ctrl-y. :-)

    , @ben tillman

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.
     
    How about telling us how old you are, roughly? I'm about 50, and I use those shortcuts plus alt-tab and ctrl-f routinely. Really can't imagine life without alt-tab. But that's it for keyboard shortcuts for me.
    , @Hibernian
    I use them only for cutting, copying, and pasting, from things other than Windows applications. My relatively brief experience with DOS did not endear me to them.
    , @larry lurker
    I'm 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse. Once you get into the rhythm of things it's remarkable what you can do, even if some of the shortcuts are less than elegant: you might have to hit Tab seven times to highlight a link, but it's still quicker than taking a hand off the keyboard, dragging your mouse pointer to the link, and bringing your hand back to the keyboard. I'm sold.
    , @Stan Adams
    I often find myself reverting to the Windows 2.0/3.0 commands: Ctrl-Ins (copy) and Shift-Ins (paste). (Don't forget Ctrl-Del for cut.)

    Microsoft Word for DOS used Del for Cut and Ins for paste. Having a one-key command for paste makes a lot of sense. (You can customize the keyboard in almost any decent modern word processor.)

    One of the reasons why WordPerfect 5.1 was so popular (aside from the old WordPerfect Corporation's exemplary customer support*) was that you could remap the entire keyboard. You could even reprogram the alphanumeric keys.

    Cttl-V and Ctrl-C were taken from the Mac, where the equivalent commands were issued with the Command key.

    Incidentally, in 1984, IBM PC keyboards had the Cttl key where the Caps Lock key is now. IBM switched to the modern layout around 1986. As late as 1990, some clones were still being sold with the earlier layout. (Some Apple keyboards had Cttl in the Caps Lock spot, as well.)

    The early Mac keyboards had no arrow keys. Word 1.0 for the Mac used such combinations as Cmd-Opt-semicolon for moving the cursor.

    *Unlimited free tech support for as long as you owned the product, and the best printer support of any DOS word processor. In the DOS days, each program had its own printer drivers. WordPerfect supported hundreds of obscure models.
  8. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    do not even use ctrl-c and -v

    More would if it was ctrl-c and -p

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    • Replies: @SFG
    I think Ctrl-P was already 'print'. It's easy to make fun of the more labyrinthine hotkey combos until you realize how easy it is to run out of letters of the alphabet.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I thought ctrl-p was shorthand for the community of elderly men.

    Similarly, enter -bottom denotes gastro-enterologists.
    , @Anonymous
    I started using computers in 1976 with the HP 3000, via a dumb terminal. I started my CS degree in 1980 using an early Unix on a PDP and had to learn the vi editor. It was a steep learning curve indeed.

    By comparison the DOS key combinations are trivial.
  9. The new Star Wars movie Rogue One has a Blade Runner feel to it in terms of having a lot of Asians.

    Of course the villains are all White guys.

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    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    Indeed, but the villains in Star Wars were always all White guys. Originally, so were the heroes.
  10. We’re pretty lucky that Trump got elected. With the whole “fake news” phenomena, President Clinton and/or the Warren 2.0 SCOTUS would have tried to curb mean words said on the internet.

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  11. No invasion of Poland in ’39….No war in Europe

    There would have been no war LOL. They would have found a way.

    Also, this could have also been written as:
    No declaration of war by Britain after the invasion of Poland in ’39….No war in Europe

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  12. The “alt-center” and “Woke Twitter” are two of the terms of abuse I’m seeing used against this grouping, mostly by the Jacobin/Chapo/irony Twitter left.

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    • Replies: @Polearm
    Alt-Center is used in one of the better Slate pieces I have read in awhile: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/what_the_hell_is_wrong_with_america_s_establishment_liberals.html
  13. Ctrl-Left! Brilliant!!! That is serious gold. It makes perfect logical sense, it hits at the heart of the problem of “crimestop”, it is original, unexpected, and outrageously catchy!!

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  14. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    …mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I configure everything that I can to use alt-w and ctrl-y. :-)

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  15. @Earl Lemongrab
    The "alt-center" and "Woke Twitter" are two of the terms of abuse I'm seeing used against this grouping, mostly by the Jacobin/Chapo/irony Twitter left.
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  16. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    “Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end”

    Is Donald J. Trump Darth Vader or is he Sheev Palpatine a.k.a Darth Sidious a.k.a The Emperor?

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  17. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    I’m Asian and I don’t oppose the alt-right. In fact, I identify with them. Are you providing an example of goodthink here?

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    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    Either you are lying or are a fool

    These people hate you and would never want you porking their daughters
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    "Are you providing an example of goodthink here?"

    Considering the fact that what Tiny types can't be described by either "good" or "bad", then yes, "ze" is providing an example of goodthink.
    , @AndrewR
    You're providing a good example of a troll-baited sucker. Btw your English is excellent for an Asian. よかった!
  18. @Anonymous
    I always thought the "alt" in "alt-right" meant "alternative" as in "alternative lifestyle", and that that was the reason for the prominence of figures like Jack Donovan and Richard Spencer. I didn't know it came from the keyboard button.

    Spencer’s not openly gay, though lots of people have wondered. It would be kind of funny if the alt-right vs neocon fight boiled down to gay conservatives vs. Jewish conservatives.

    For any newbies, it was alternative to what was mainstream conservatism in the Bush era, which was lots of wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel, and lots of illegal immigration. It’s now coming to mean ‘conservatism based on white gentile identity politics’, more or less.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "Spencer’s not openly gay"

    He's not homo at all.

    He's married.
    , @AndrewR
    He has a slightly effeminate affect but he is married with a child and there is no evidence that he's gay besides his demeanor and his lack of hostility towards all gays.
    , @Lyov Myshkin
    In my mind if that's what the fight boiled down to -- it doesn't, FWIW -- then I wouldn't laugh, I'd cry.

    Two groups of minorities skilled at crypsis with historical grudges against the majority?

    Sad!
  19. @Hippopotamusdrome


    do not even use ctrl-c and -v

     

    More would if it was ctrl-c and -p

    I think Ctrl-P was already ‘print’. It’s easy to make fun of the more labyrinthine hotkey combos until you realize how easy it is to run out of letters of the alphabet.

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    • Replies: @Glt
    I use ctrl z, x, c, and v far more than any other shortcuts, frequently while navigating with my right hand on the arrow keys. I'd want those physical keys mapped to those functions regardless of what letters they were.
  20. Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Disaster for who? Spencer got himself a lot of media attention. We'll see if they grow in strength or just become useful foils for the MSM.

    Bannon is ironically a lot less racially-focused than his detractors on the left want to admit and his detractors on the right wish he were.

    It meant a more radical form of paleocon to begin with--the whole thing started with Paul Gottfried telling the paleocons they'd failed. It depends how far back you want to go--there were neoreactionaries, the Dark Enlightenment, and so on. 'Memba?

    , @ben tillman

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.
     
    Nonsense. Whoever coined the term, it wasn't Bannon. He used the term after it was coined by someone else. And after he used the term, the bad guys tried to redefine it and retcon the new definition to his prior use of the term..
    , @Mr. Anon
    It isn't recent, and he didn't appropriate it. Spencer coined the term "alt-right" several years ago. When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it's origin and meaning.
    , @Laugh Track

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.
     
    I think this is largely accurate. I'm not sure about "friendly profile(s) of Spencer", but the widespread linkage from alt-right to Breitbart to White Nationalists is way too facile and inaccurate. My understanding of alt-right was that it designated a non-cucked right that saw through PC and the NeoCons and liked to troll the left with Pepe memes, etc. Part Paleo and part snotty pranksters and trolls. I'm not sure that Spencer and Moldbug co-exist in the same space.
    , @Lyov Myshkin
    @ Lot

    "It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types."


    Spencer is not a fringe 'neo-Nazi'. If he is, then so is Sailer. Stop throwing around epithets designed by the SPLC.

    Also, Bannon didn't use it in the 'normal way'. That's absurd. Breitbart basically serves up Neoconservatism/libertarianism. It isn't alternative in any way. The Alt-Right is a White identity movement. Nothing else.

    , @Dr. Krieger
    I hate to break the news to you, but while Spencer didn't actually coin the term Alternative Right, he and Colin Lidell started the website Alternative Right in 2010. Bannon is not alt-right. Your so-called "fringe neo-Nazi types" are the Alt-Right and always have been.
    Noone that isn't a White Nationalist and sound on the JQ can really consider themselves Alt-Right. This is not some rule I made up. It's generally accepted.

    Other people who are not Alt-Right (call them Alt-Lite if anything):

    Milo Yiannopolous
    Paul Joseph Watson
    Alex Jones
    Stefan Molyneux
    Mike Cernovich

    Leaners but soft on JQ:

    John Derbyshire
    Jared Taylor
    Peter Brimelow

    Alt-Right:

    Richard Spencer
    Greg Johnson
    Mike Enoch
    Jazzhands McFeels
    Mike Halberstram
    Andy Nowicki
    Colin Lidell
    Kevin MacDonald (pretty sure)

    What makes me an authority. Nothing. But check for yourself.
  21. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    I remember there weren’t too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab. I suspect the MSM is trying to call as many people as they can ‘alt-right’ and then associate it with the hardcore Nazi segment in order to expand the range of views they can demonize.

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    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I remember there weren’t too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab"

    30,000 is not even enough to get someone elected mayor of San Francisco, let alone president of The United States.
  22. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    Disaster for who? Spencer got himself a lot of media attention. We’ll see if they grow in strength or just become useful foils for the MSM.

    Bannon is ironically a lot less racially-focused than his detractors on the left want to admit and his detractors on the right wish he were.

    It meant a more radical form of paleocon to begin with–the whole thing started with Paul Gottfried telling the paleocons they’d failed. It depends how far back you want to go–there were neoreactionaries, the Dark Enlightenment, and so on. ‘Memba?

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    “What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter”

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....
    , @Boomstick
    Eh. I'm assuming Steve gets a bunch of death threats. He probably edits out more in a day than Ms Zuck gets in a month.

    The media is highly selective about who gets to claim the moral high ground of being a victim when death threats and abuse are involved.
    , @whorefinder
    What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her.

    I think we of the anti-Left need to play by the same rules, and start publicizing each and every death threat our guys get. Use their own rule book against them. If they want to claim victim-hood points from it, so do we.

    Don't play by some stoic-tough-guy routine, just put them out there and talk about the threats made. Stoic-tough-guy routine won't work.
    , @Anon
    Any account that sends Donna a threat on Twitter will almost certainly be banned in hours. Common sense says you can't send stuff like that to the sister of the guy who owns the website without retaliation. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this.
    , @Clyde
    Who the hell goes around proclaiming he/she is a classics scholar? What a dope.
    , @Anon
    Making death threats is against the law, and I'll bet she only got few of those if any.
    But she probably did get a lot of insults, which is what really pissed her off.

    It's the nature of Twitter or Twatter.
    You can't say much, so it's only good for sharing links, posting memes, hurling insults, tossing epithets, being 'snarky', etc. Mockery and ridicule.

    Someone with a knack for slogans can use it creatively, but it's just a mud-slinging fest for the hoi polloi, most of us.

    Btw, how convenient for her that a word like 'antisemitic' exists with which to discredit her attackers. But she can proudly indulge in the worst kind of anti-white-gentile-male hatred because it hasn't been terminologically pathologized.

    , @Forbes
    Donna Z's time stamp is 16 Dec, while the iSteve article is 17 Dec, so the apparent irresponsible comments and messages are not a result of Steve's post.
  24. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right.

    No, kidding, The whole point of the alt-right is to stop tilting at (ideological) windmills and actually engage the problem. This is a conflict between groups of people, not ideas.

    And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    I’ve seen no evidence of this. What have you seen?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I assume you're an older guy who reads the older hard-right publications like Unz, Taki, VDare, etc. The newer sites and the social media sites run by younger elements of the far-right are much more viral, popular, and anti-Semitic.
    , @Anonymous
    Yeah, we all know you're an anti-Semitic dirtbag already.
    , @Thea
    True.

    Even the Cold War can be viewed as part of the greater Russian-Anglo conflict. America adopted many socialist practice during those years but incorporated them in a different way.
  25. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I think we’re going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the “Paideia Institute”, which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Are these two organizations with Paideia in their names the same organization? One is in America, one is in Sweden.
    , @Jefferson
    "I think we’re going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the “Paideia Institute”, which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video"

    Her idea to end anti-Jewish discrimination in Sweden is to import masses of Muslim immigrants into Sweden. Shit for brains would be an underestimate here. What's her solution to prevent people from getting diabetes? Everyday have a Snickers bar for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

    , @Mr. Anon
    It would seem that all these two organizations share is a name, nothing more.
  26. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    How about telling us how old you are, roughly? I’m about 50, and I use those shortcuts plus alt-tab and ctrl-f routinely. Really can’t imagine life without alt-tab. But that’s it for keyboard shortcuts for me.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Old enough to remember Apple II, DOS 6, and Commodore 64.
  27. Sucks for you guys that the election isn’t over yet

    Russia hacked the election and the people want a recount

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  28. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm Asian and I don't oppose the alt-right. In fact, I identify with them. Are you providing an example of goodthink here?

    Either you are lying or are a fool

    These people hate you and would never want you porking their daughters

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  29. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @ben tillman

    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right.
     
    No, kidding, The whole point of the alt-right is to stop tilting at (ideological) windmills and actually engage the problem. This is a conflict between groups of people, not ideas.


    And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.
     
    I've seen no evidence of this. What have you seen?

    I assume you’re an older guy who reads the older hard-right publications like Unz, Taki, VDare, etc. The newer sites and the social media sites run by younger elements of the far-right are much more viral, popular, and anti-Semitic.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    Nobody agrees on a definition. Is the alt right Steve and Greg and hbd chick, or is it Spencer?
  30. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    Not up to your usual standards, Tiny Duck. You can do better! We believe in you!

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Give him a break; he had a tough weekend making threatening phone calls to elector's homes and smearing his feces on their front lawns. Mr. Soros's orders, you know.
  31. Meanwhile in reality, Trump is the most pro-Israel president ever.

    Since 1948 the US has refused to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital – or even as part of Israel. This policy of nonrecognition – embodied by the US refusal to transfer the US Embassy to Jerusalem – has been maintained by a bipartisan consensus despite the fact that for the past 20 years, US law has required the State Department to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the embassy to Jerusalem.

    When Trump promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, his words were greeted with cynicism.

    Clinton and W both made and broke the same promise.

    But then this week his senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said Trump is serious about moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

    His ambassador is also saying it will happen. He’s a settler activist focused on building as fast as possible housing in the occupied outskirts of Jerusalem, some of which has been demolished after court fights in Israel.

    In one fell swoop, the 68-year-old consensus is gone.

    The full article is overly long but advances the idea that the goal will be formal Israeli annexation with US support of nearly all of the West Bank outside of the Arab population centers. Or should I say Judea and Samaria.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/17/a_trumpian_israeli_initiative_132592.html

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    • Replies: @Nostrildumbass
    Maybe the boys can get in on the settlement action. "Trumpkin Villages coming soon!" That new embassy better be nuke proof. Build the embassy in the valley of Gehenna and watch the evangelicals explain bible prophecy in new fantastic ways! Think of it, just a stone's throw from the Dome of the Rock, the Great Satan builds a infidel Trumpian embassy Tower blaring Voice of America broadcasts drowning out the call for prayer. What could go wrong?
  32. @SFG
    I think Ctrl-P was already 'print'. It's easy to make fun of the more labyrinthine hotkey combos until you realize how easy it is to run out of letters of the alphabet.

    I use ctrl z, x, c, and v far more than any other shortcuts, frequently while navigating with my right hand on the arrow keys. I’d want those physical keys mapped to those functions regardless of what letters they were.

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  33. @anon
    I think we're going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the "Paideia Institute", which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    Are these two organizations with Paideia in their names the same organization? One is in America, one is in Sweden.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    American or Swedish, both seem to be run by Jewish-Americans.

    And another thing... why do they have Greek names when the agenda is so anti-western?

    Why not call them 'Mongol-Invasionia', 'Moorish-poweria', 'Afro-mania', or 'Jihadia'?

    Why give anti-western agendas 'western' names?
    , @bored identity
    This Fake Ad for A Swedish Hazy Lampshade of Winter Presents Disgrace to All Humanity:

    http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30251817/


    Good to know:
    Use an opal light bulb if you have an ordinary lamp shade or lamp and want an even, diffused distribution of light.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Maybe it's a franchise.
    You know, like al-Qaeda, or Islamic State In (Random Sandy Craphole).
  34. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Are these two organizations with Paideia in their names the same organization? One is in America, one is in Sweden.

    American or Swedish, both seem to be run by Jewish-Americans.

    And another thing… why do they have Greek names when the agenda is so anti-western?

    Why not call them ‘Mongol-Invasionia’, ‘Moorish-poweria’, ‘Afro-mania’, or ‘Jihadia’?

    Why give anti-western agendas ‘western’ names?

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    • Replies: @Danindc
    Probably the same reason Jonathan Liebowitz goes by Jon Stewart.
  35. @donnazuck (posted without comment):

    “pictures of my face on a lampshade ARE wrong and evil.”

    “I’ve been fielding anti-Semitic tweets for 24 hours now. Coping mechanisms are key”

    “this is why I have a “male tears” mug”

    “They feel subversive for using social media to share pics of my siblings’ faces on lamps”

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  36. @SFG
    I remember there weren't too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab. I suspect the MSM is trying to call as many people as they can 'alt-right' and then associate it with the hardcore Nazi segment in order to expand the range of views they can demonize.

    “I remember there weren’t too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab”

    30,000 is not even enough to get someone elected mayor of San Francisco, let alone president of The United States.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    That's why I say there isn't even such a thing as the "alt right' - it's something Hillary's operatives made up & ran w because the KKK isn't much of a thing any more
  37. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.

    I’ve never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email…..And I’ve actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia…I must be doing something wrong….

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I’ve never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email…..And I’ve actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia…I must be doing something wrong….
     
    Yeah, you're not claiming that the people who produced the other 3/4 of your ancestors are moral outlaws with respect to whom anything goes.
    , @Anonymous
    They don't have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.
    , @Anonym
    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.
    , @Alfa158
    You aren't either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That's why the Alt-Right isn't sending death threats to you.
    , @Desiderius
    You don't have illegitimate power over them.
  38. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    The ‘Alt-Right’ isn’t selling membership cards.

    I’m not sure anyone is a ‘member’, but I can assure you there are many out there who share some of the opinions and outlooks that are grouped under the Alt-Right banner. Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The ‘Alt-Right’ isn’t selling membership cards.

    I’m not sure anyone is a ‘member’, but I can assure you there are many out there who share some of the opinions and outlooks that are grouped under the Alt-Right banner. Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)"

    Using the strictly narrow non mainstream media definition of Alt-Right, there aren't enough Alt-Right people to get someone elected mayor of Reno, Nevada, let alone get someone elected POTUS.

    Saying politically incorrect shit doesn't automatically make someone Alt-Right. If that were the case than Compound Media for example (Gavin McInnes, The Proud Boys, East Side Dave, Pat Dixon, Anthony Cumia) would be Alt-Right because they say the N Word a lot, mostly in a joking matter for shock factor. Nobody who is truly Alt-Right would consider Compound Media to be part of their tribe.

  39. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    Nonsense. Whoever coined the term, it wasn’t Bannon. He used the term after it was coined by someone else. And after he used the term, the bad guys tried to redefine it and retcon the new definition to his prior use of the term..

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    • Replies: @Lot

    Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)
     
    The juggalo fad is nearly dead. It was one of the many awful aspects of the W Era.
  40. @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....

    I’ve never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email…..And I’ve actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia…I must be doing something wrong….

    Yeah, you’re not claiming that the people who produced the other 3/4 of your ancestors are moral outlaws with respect to whom anything goes.

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  41. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @ben tillman

    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right.
     
    No, kidding, The whole point of the alt-right is to stop tilting at (ideological) windmills and actually engage the problem. This is a conflict between groups of people, not ideas.


    And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.
     
    I've seen no evidence of this. What have you seen?

    Yeah, we all know you’re an anti-Semitic dirtbag already.

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  42. @anon
    I think we're going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the "Paideia Institute", which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    “I think we’re going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the “Paideia Institute”, which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video”

    Her idea to end anti-Jewish discrimination in Sweden is to import masses of Muslim immigrants into Sweden. Shit for brains would be an underestimate here. What’s her solution to prevent people from getting diabetes? Everyday have a Snickers bar for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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  43. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The Paideia Institute is not “run by Jews.” It’s a Classical studies and education organization:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paideia_Institute

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  44. Ctrl-Left = 25-30 million people dispersed throughout college admin depts & faculties, K-12school staffs, media companies, non-profits, Hollywood, HR depts, Federal, State & local Govt agencies, bureaucracies, plus the legions of multigenerational govt dependents who form the inner nucleus of the Democratic base. Basically the 10%+ of the country who depends for their livelihood on sustaining the status quo.

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  45. @ben tillman

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.
     
    How about telling us how old you are, roughly? I'm about 50, and I use those shortcuts plus alt-tab and ctrl-f routinely. Really can't imagine life without alt-tab. But that's it for keyboard shortcuts for me.

    Old enough to remember Apple II, DOS 6, and Commodore 64.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I see your Commodore 64, and raise you punched cards.
  46. @ben tillman

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.
     
    Nonsense. Whoever coined the term, it wasn't Bannon. He used the term after it was coined by someone else. And after he used the term, the bad guys tried to redefine it and retcon the new definition to his prior use of the term..

    Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)

    The juggalo fad is nearly dead. It was one of the many awful aspects of the W Era.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I met some Juggalos when I was travelling thru Utah this summer on Greyhound. I was short on cash and 1 of them loaned me money to buy a drink a the gas station we stopped at.

    They were on their way to the big Juggalos gathering in Ohio.

    Nice people. I don't understand their reputation unless you go out of your way to start drama w them
  47. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....

    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.
     
    MMM, but I'm usually accused of being smug and self-satisfied.....
    , @Anonym
    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    The same could be said of most Jews... they don't have a problem with self-hating whites who kiss Jewish asses.

    Well, some of them but tbh there are plenty of Jews writing those "unbearable whiteness of X" type articles who simply have a problem with white people existing and doing white things together. These horrible, horrible white people, a global minority, numbering less than the Han Chinese, with below replacement birth rates, admitting migrants into their countries at the highest rates in the world, paying their medical costs and allowing them to draw benefits from a system they have not paid into, for the most part witlessly enjoying the output of a Hollywood that demonizes them, sending their children to university to absorb the ideas of the likes of Donna Zuckerberg. And I might mention, sending billions to their friends in Israel, fighting wars on their behalf (most who say that talk about the recent wars and not WW2, the most important of them all), and allowing them a seat at the table such that nearly half of the Forbes 500 or whatever it was is Jewish. And being perfectly fine with that.

    But no, all of those self-hating, ass-kissing flyover white people who have hosted us without quarrel going back a thousand years to the UK where it all started... let's burn it all down because the Frankfurt School thought it would be a good idea. Who am I to question it, after all the smartest people in the world thought this genius plan up.

  48. “The juggalo fad is nearly dead. It was one of the many awful aspects of the W Era.”

    You live in California where there are no Juggalos. There are still plenty of Juggalos in Midwestern states like Michigan and Ohio for example.

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    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    There are Juggalos in California. Just not in the Bay Area. Probably not in L.A. either. They're in the San Joaquin Valley.
  49. If I had to describe the alt-right it would be a group of predominantly white people, albeit not exclusively, having an anonymous conversation with other whites primarily on the internet where they can discuss openly their interests without the interference or threat of retaliation from the powers that be. There is everything from white nationalists to just average folk with all points in between; all 210,000,000 of us.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    If I had to describe the alt-right it would be a group of predominantly white people, albeit not exclusively, having an anonymous conversation with other whites primarily on the internet where they can discuss openly their interests without the interference or threat of retaliation from the powers that be. There is everything from white nationalists to just average folk with all points in between; all 210,000,000 of us.
     
    Yes. That's not all of it, or it's not the only way to look at it, but what you said was very well said.
    , @European-American
    I was quite pleased to find this term, "alt-right", some time ago. It felt liberating, and had a pleasing oxymoronic flavor: "right" suggests conformity, dull rigor, seriousness; "alt" the opposite, with a "think different" flavor. For some reason and perhaps wrongly, I associated it with Razib and his unapologetic un-pc opinions. Certainly I did not link it to any kind of racial or ethnic movement, quite the contrary. The label "paleo-con" had its charm and humor too (long after "neo-con" had been robbed of any novelty or appeal), but it felt as self-evidently doomed as my attempts to follow the diet of the same name.

    By the way I assume "alt" came from Usenet, the "alt-*" newsgroups providing a "home for a wide variety of things that did not fit elsewhere". This home, and all of Usenet, has slowly disappeared, due to obsolescence and uncontrolled dissemination of illegal materials such as child pornography. Nobody's perfect...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy
  50. @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.
     
    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,
    my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]
    and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,
     
    , @Anonymous
    FWIW, here's another screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9-LrpXUAAoaxl.jpg
    , @SFG
    I suspect it's fake. Sounds like an alt-righter's idea of how a leftist thinks--it's all about demographic warfare. Feminists don't want to have kids.
  51. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Eh. I’m assuming Steve gets a bunch of death threats. He probably edits out more in a day than Ms Zuck gets in a month.

    The media is highly selective about who gets to claim the moral high ground of being a victim when death threats and abuse are involved.

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  52. @Anonymous
    They don't have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    MMM, but I’m usually accused of being smug and self-satisfied…..

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  53. OT: Article in Nature that touches on Gates Foundation and population control:

    Three minutes with Hans Rosling will change your mind about the world

    He has influenced leaders from Melinda Gates to Fidel Castro. Now, he is on a mission to save people from their preconceived ideas. …

    Rosling’s charm appeals to those frustrated by the persistence of myths about the world. Looming large is an idea popularized by Paul Ehrlich, an entomologist at Stanford University in California, who warned in 1968 that the world was heading towards mass starvation owing to overpopulation. Melinda Gates says that after a drink or two, people often tell her that they think the Gates Foundation may be contributing to overpopulation and environmental collapse by saving children’s lives with interventions such as vaccines. She is thrilled when Rosling smoothly uses data to show how the reverse is true: as rates of child survival have increased over time, family size has shrunk. …

    http://www.nature.com/news/three-minutes-with-hans-rosling-will-change-your-mind-about-the-world-1.21143

    I’m not really in a position to evaluate whether this is true, but let’s hope it is.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I’m not really in a position to evaluate whether this is true, but let’s hope it is.
     
    We can't hope that a falsehood is true.

    And even if the falsehood (impossibly) were true, it wouldn't matter. More than a shrinking of family size is necessary. The shrinkage has to go below 2 kids per momma.
  54. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    Noticing that Semites have been the forefront of Anti-White-Gentile movements these days is perfectly rational. Trying to name call it away won’t work.

    Stop trying to hide the man behind the curtain, it only makes Jewish Leftism look far worse and will only incite anger. Can’t you admit Jews in America have different group interests than white gentiles, and that Jewish advancement of certain causes is not based on universal ideals but Jewish-group interests?

    If you admitted that, we could respect you intellectually. But until you do, you’re just trying to deny the sky is blue.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Noticing that Semites have been the forefront of Anti-White-Gentile movements these days is perfectly rational. Trying to name call it away won’t work.
     
    Calling Ashkenazi Jews "Semites" always sounds silly to me.
  55. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    “Life is like Star Wars”

    Really? The purpose of life is to sell action figures and Happy Meals?

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  56. @Mr. Blank
    Not up to your usual standards, Tiny Duck. You can do better! We believe in you!

    Give him a break; he had a tough weekend making threatening phone calls to elector’s homes and smearing his feces on their front lawns. Mr. Soros’s orders, you know.

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  57. @anon
    I think we're going to have a lot of fun with that unhinged sister of Zuck. Apparently she works for the "Paideia Institute", which almost everyone in the alt-right knows about from this infamous video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    It would seem that all these two organizations share is a name, nothing more.

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  58. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her.

    I think we of the anti-Left need to play by the same rules, and start publicizing each and every death threat our guys get. Use their own rule book against them. If they want to claim victim-hood points from it, so do we.

    Don’t play by some stoic-tough-guy routine, just put them out there and talk about the threats made. Stoic-tough-guy routine won’t work.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her."

    Women on the political Right like Pamela Geller, Dana Loesch, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc say they get rape and death threats all of the time from Left Wing trolls. These Social Justice Warrior trolls are fighting the war on women by threatening to rape and kill women who do not share the same political views as them. It looks like something straight out of The Onion.

    , @Pat Casey
    That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. The fact that you think lots of folks make death threats against anyone who enters the world of politics proves that your view of reality is about as unhinged as any leftist screaming hate hoaxes. The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors. The thirty threats Obama gets every day are idiots who say something suggestive on Facebook or Twitter that they didn't actually send to anyone. I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page. Back in June there was a case of one insane guy making insane death threats on Twitter to a few congressman and that was unusual.

    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong. And you need to think about that. And you need to repent. Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally. You people talk about the Classics and Western Civilization and you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she's Joan of Arc for a minute. You see that Tweet she loves it, she's Joan of Arc dude she's having a blast.

    The violent bear it away. But that's not you and "your guys," dude who won't even say his name. And Steve doesn't get death threats you idiot. The only person who's ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.

  59. @anonymous
    The 'Alt-Right' isn't selling membership cards.

    I'm not sure anyone is a 'member', but I can assure you there are many out there who share some of the opinions and outlooks that are grouped under the Alt-Right banner. Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)

    “The ‘Alt-Right’ isn’t selling membership cards.

    I’m not sure anyone is a ‘member’, but I can assure you there are many out there who share some of the opinions and outlooks that are grouped under the Alt-Right banner. Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)”

    Using the strictly narrow non mainstream media definition of Alt-Right, there aren’t enough Alt-Right people to get someone elected mayor of Reno, Nevada, let alone get someone elected POTUS.

    Saying politically incorrect shit doesn’t automatically make someone Alt-Right. If that were the case than Compound Media for example (Gavin McInnes, The Proud Boys, East Side Dave, Pat Dixon, Anthony Cumia) would be Alt-Right because they say the N Word a lot, mostly in a joking matter for shock factor. Nobody who is truly Alt-Right would consider Compound Media to be part of their tribe.

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  60. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    It isn’t recent, and he didn’t appropriate it. Spencer coined the term “alt-right” several years ago. When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it’s origin and meaning.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it’s origin and meaning.
     
    He likely got it from Milo's sympathetic article at Breitbart.
    , @Opinionator
    Spencer did not coin the term "alt-right." Spencer named a web domain "alternative right," which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.

    Spencer seems to have a penchant for appropriating others' ideas and memes.

    And not only is "alternative right" a phrase distinct from "alt-right". When the latter term exploded onto the scene last year, it had a different meaning from Spencer's "alternativeright.com" referent of five years earlier.

    And last year's term now has an additional meaning thanks to Spencer: racial purity ethnonationalism and ethnic cleansing on U.S. soil.

  61. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts — Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah — get 100,000 downloads per week.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I suspect those numbers are rigged.
    , @Jefferson
    "I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts — Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah — get 100,000 downloads per week."

    100,000 is still well below 1 percent of the people who voted for Donald J. Trump. The Alt-Right didn't get him elected POTUS.
    , @Anonym
    Two popular alt right podcasts — Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah — get 100,000 downloads per week.

    Mark Dice has got 700k subscribers and this has been viewed 200k times. He denies being alt-right, but he certainly makes fun of PC and anti-white stuff. This segment is pretty hilarious - he's doing better than MTV news. It surprised me. But it's nice to see that in the age where we don't have to just be force fed PC content to get the content we want, we don't seek that stuff out and rate it down.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSKECWlKCI
  62. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn’t leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they’ve become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I’ve noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they’re been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can’t figure out why they can’t put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it’s related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn’t reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    "For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat."

    Maybe not a terroristic threat but almost certainly a cultural one.

    It's not just a matter of life and death. It's also about the quality of life.
    , @Opinionator
    When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet

    What were you trying to educate yourself on specifically?
    , @SFG
    Some of it's as you claim--Breitbart probably did as much as anyone to help elect Trump--but there's a very, very large Jewish contingent among the theoreticians and enforcers of PC and the modern left in general. Combine that with the large Jewish presence in the NeverTrump movement. Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don't help.

    It's an old blood feud going back to the 1890s that I don't see abating anytime soon.
    , @Lurker

    a massive self-education program
     
    Yet somehow you completely missed the JQ?
    , @Lyov Myshkin

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

     

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it's literally one in a million -- Jews that support White identity -- although I'm sure you'd find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

  63. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    I think this is largely accurate. I’m not sure about “friendly profile(s) of Spencer”, but the widespread linkage from alt-right to Breitbart to White Nationalists is way too facile and inaccurate. My understanding of alt-right was that it designated a non-cucked right that saw through PC and the NeoCons and liked to troll the left with Pepe memes, etc. Part Paleo and part snotty pranksters and trolls. I’m not sure that Spencer and Moldbug co-exist in the same space.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    They don't, but it's pretty much Spencer at this point--Moldbug was an interesting theoretician but most of his insights have been well absorbed and his branch of the movement is no longer active.
  64. @Hippopotamusdrome


    do not even use ctrl-c and -v

     

    More would if it was ctrl-c and -p

    I thought ctrl-p was shorthand for the community of elderly men.

    Similarly, enter -bottom denotes gastro-enterologists.

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  65. @Jefferson
    "The juggalo fad is nearly dead. It was one of the many awful aspects of the W Era."

    You live in California where there are no Juggalos. There are still plenty of Juggalos in Midwestern states like Michigan and Ohio for example.

    There are Juggalos in California. Just not in the Bay Area. Probably not in L.A. either. They’re in the San Joaquin Valley.

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  66. @Anonymous
    They don't have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    The same could be said of most Jews… they don’t have a problem with self-hating whites who kiss Jewish asses.

    Well, some of them but tbh there are plenty of Jews writing those “unbearable whiteness of X” type articles who simply have a problem with white people existing and doing white things together. These horrible, horrible white people, a global minority, numbering less than the Han Chinese, with below replacement birth rates, admitting migrants into their countries at the highest rates in the world, paying their medical costs and allowing them to draw benefits from a system they have not paid into, for the most part witlessly enjoying the output of a Hollywood that demonizes them, sending their children to university to absorb the ideas of the likes of Donna Zuckerberg. And I might mention, sending billions to their friends in Israel, fighting wars on their behalf (most who say that talk about the recent wars and not WW2, the most important of them all), and allowing them a seat at the table such that nearly half of the Forbes 500 or whatever it was is Jewish. And being perfectly fine with that.

    But no, all of those self-hating, ass-kissing flyover white people who have hosted us without quarrel going back a thousand years to the UK where it all started… let’s burn it all down because the Frankfurt School thought it would be a good idea. Who am I to question it, after all the smartest people in the world thought this genius plan up.

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    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Any account that sends Donna a threat on Twitter will almost certainly be banned in hours. Common sense says you can’t send stuff like that to the sister of the guy who owns the website without retaliation. I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Donna's brother owns Facebook, not Twitter.
    , @Anon
    I stand corrected. It's late.
    , @Randal

    I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this
     
    And that, allowing for your confusion of Twitter with Facebook, should probably be your first clue if you want to establish who sends such messages. Cui bono? Common sense suggests three obvious groups who are probably responsible.

    Given the general modern prevalence of the "hate hoax" as a method for these identity lobby wannabe censors to jusify their "defensive" aggressions, the biggest group is probably jewish and pro-jewish groups and individuals who want to see more favourable treatment for their identity group. Exactly the same as the black and gay identity obsessives who do exactly the same kind of thing (faking up "threats" and "outrages" to make their side appear more threatened), time after time after time.

    The second group is probably far smaller and would consist of reasonably decent people who have been provoked/censored/threatened with violence or with actual prosecution by jewish and pro-jewish groups and individuals on the internet (I can confirm from direct personal experience that this kind of thing is a regular occurrence), and who lack the discipline to contain their responses.

    The final and probably vanishingly small group is of not too bright people who actually sent the messages with menacing intent.
  68. @Anonym
    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.

    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,
    my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]
    and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent"

    I don't care how many different baby daddies she plans to have as a slutty single mom whore, as long as we the evil White taxpayers do not have to pick up the tab.

    "With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,"

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?

    "my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]"

    Intersectional? Is she saying she's going to raise all of her babies to grow up to be Trannies?

    "and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,"

    I don't own or need a swastika to save me because I use my second amendment rights to protect me.
    , @ben tillman

    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:
     
    She's poking the bear, with a fork, in both eyes, as hard as she can.

    She's depending on institutional support. She has it for now.
    , @Anon
    There's a certain amount of "Nyah Nyah Nyah I'm a dirty whore you white man and you can't stop me,' about that poem. I'll believe that she believes her own propaganda when she actually has a bunch of kids by various fathers. I doubt she understands she's like to be beaten to a pulp by some of these brown- and black-skinned fathers every time she bounces from man to man.
  69. @whorefinder
    What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her.

    I think we of the anti-Left need to play by the same rules, and start publicizing each and every death threat our guys get. Use their own rule book against them. If they want to claim victim-hood points from it, so do we.

    Don't play by some stoic-tough-guy routine, just put them out there and talk about the threats made. Stoic-tough-guy routine won't work.

    “What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her.”

    Women on the political Right like Pamela Geller, Dana Loesch, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc say they get rape and death threats all of the time from Left Wing trolls. These Social Justice Warrior trolls are fighting the war on women by threatening to rape and kill women who do not share the same political views as them. It looks like something straight out of The Onion.

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    • Replies: @vvv
    It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful than in Europe historically, I do not recall the left in the US having formal militias, like in 1930s Germany, nor do I remember right and left wing militias shooting it out on the street like pre ww2 europe, or leading politicians from both sides getting their speeches interrupted by pipes bombs or a hail of bullets. That is actually one of the benefits of the american left being influencd by cultural Marxism, and m
    not Marxist Leninism.
    , @Anon
    When it comes to trolling, the left has us beat by a mile. Have you seen the numbers of emails the Electors are getting? One guy from Michigan says he's had over 200,000 already.
  70. The “alt right” is just the folks who think that:”GWBush, Rove, Weekly Standard, National Review et al” are effing idiots. Unlike the ctl-left, the alt – right is trying to solve problems not create new ones.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    It's people on the right who think that GWBush, Rove, Weekly Standard, National Review et al are effing idiots and whose principal motivating drive is white identity politics. Leaving out white identity politics still gives you most libertarians--leave out both and you get the left.
  71. @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....

    You aren’t either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That’s why the Alt-Right isn’t sending death threats to you.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "You aren’t either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That’s why the Alt-Right isn’t sending death threats to you."

    Syronredux talks so much about WASP British pride that I often forget he is a Jew.
  72. @syonredux

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.
     
    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,
    my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]
    and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,
     

    “I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent”

    I don’t care how many different baby daddies she plans to have as a slutty single mom whore, as long as we the evil White taxpayers do not have to pick up the tab.

    “With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,”

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?

    “my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]”

    Intersectional? Is she saying she’s going to raise all of her babies to grow up to be Trannies?

    “and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,”

    I don’t own or need a swastika to save me because I use my second amendment rights to protect me.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    “With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,”

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?
     

    I'm reluctant to do do this because I like the spirit and substance of your comment, and I don't want to detract from your point, but I think that she was talking about the "genders" of her children, not the gender of their -- LOL.

    What a 102-IQ dumbshit she is! The genders of her children shall "outnumber the stars", but the "genders" of their parents will number two: mother and father.

  73. @Anon
    American or Swedish, both seem to be run by Jewish-Americans.

    And another thing... why do they have Greek names when the agenda is so anti-western?

    Why not call them 'Mongol-Invasionia', 'Moorish-poweria', 'Afro-mania', or 'Jihadia'?

    Why give anti-western agendas 'western' names?

    Probably the same reason Jonathan Liebowitz goes by Jon Stewart.

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  74. @Anon
    Any account that sends Donna a threat on Twitter will almost certainly be banned in hours. Common sense says you can't send stuff like that to the sister of the guy who owns the website without retaliation. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this.

    Donna’s brother owns Facebook, not Twitter.

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  75. @Alfa158
    You aren't either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That's why the Alt-Right isn't sending death threats to you.

    “You aren’t either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That’s why the Alt-Right isn’t sending death threats to you.”

    Syronredux talks so much about WASP British pride that I often forget he is a Jew.

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  76. @Jefferson
    "What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her."

    Women on the political Right like Pamela Geller, Dana Loesch, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc say they get rape and death threats all of the time from Left Wing trolls. These Social Justice Warrior trolls are fighting the war on women by threatening to rape and kill women who do not share the same political views as them. It looks like something straight out of The Onion.

    It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful than in Europe historically, I do not recall the left in the US having formal militias, like in 1930s Germany, nor do I remember right and left wing militias shooting it out on the street like pre ww2 europe, or leading politicians from both sides getting their speeches interrupted by pipes bombs or a hail of bullets. That is actually one of the benefits of the american left being influencd by cultural Marxism, and m
    not Marxist Leninism.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    There were massive left wing street militias in the US during the War in Vietnam. Not sure how organized they were but you had the SDS, etc.
    , @Rex May
    Here, the left's Black mascots fill that role.
    , @Jefferson
    "It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful"

    Left Wingers weren't acting very pacifist when they bloodied up Donald J. Trump supporters in San Jose, California. The Left Wing cop killer in Dallas, Texas,who was inspired by Black Lies Matter was not acting very pacifist.
  77. @syonredux

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.
     
    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,
    my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]
    and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,
     

    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    She’s poking the bear, with a fork, in both eyes, as hard as she can.

    She’s depending on institutional support. She has it for now.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    She’s depending on institutional support.
     
    Well, that and a $70 billion brother. The nouveau riche are not known for their exceptional equanimity.
    , @Boomstick
    She's trolling back at the trolls.

    It doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me. The trolls are mostly anonymous, while she's got a name and a position. Mooting extreme positions costs the anonymous nothing, while her statements will follow her around on her permanent record that is the internet for life. A purpose of trolling is to make the Great and Good look insane, as with Hillary Clinton muttering about the fascist implications of Pepe the Frog. So, mission accomplished for the trolls in this case. If she makes harambe88@yahoo.com mad by quoting a poem the real world consequences are nil.

    Trump's genius is that he has figured out how to troll the left while running for president. I'm still not quite sure how he does it.
  78. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Who the hell goes around proclaiming he/she is a classics scholar? What a dope.

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  79. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    OT: Article in Nature that touches on Gates Foundation and population control:

    Three minutes with Hans Rosling will change your mind about the world

    He has influenced leaders from Melinda Gates to Fidel Castro. Now, he is on a mission to save people from their preconceived ideas. ...

    Rosling’s charm appeals to those frustrated by the persistence of myths about the world. Looming large is an idea popularized by Paul Ehrlich, an entomologist at Stanford University in California, who warned in 1968 that the world was heading towards mass starvation owing to overpopulation. Melinda Gates says that after a drink or two, people often tell her that they think the Gates Foundation may be contributing to overpopulation and environmental collapse by saving children’s lives with interventions such as vaccines. She is thrilled when Rosling smoothly uses data to show how the reverse is true: as rates of child survival have increased over time, family size has shrunk. ...
    http://www.nature.com/news/three-minutes-with-hans-rosling-will-change-your-mind-about-the-world-1.21143

     

    I'm not really in a position to evaluate whether this is true, but let's hope it is.

    I’m not really in a position to evaluate whether this is true, but let’s hope it is.

    We can’t hope that a falsehood is true.

    And even if the falsehood (impossibly) were true, it wouldn’t matter. More than a shrinking of family size is necessary. The shrinkage has to go below 2 kids per momma.

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  80. @Prof. Woland
    If I had to describe the alt-right it would be a group of predominantly white people, albeit not exclusively, having an anonymous conversation with other whites primarily on the internet where they can discuss openly their interests without the interference or threat of retaliation from the powers that be. There is everything from white nationalists to just average folk with all points in between; all 210,000,000 of us.

    If I had to describe the alt-right it would be a group of predominantly white people, albeit not exclusively, having an anonymous conversation with other whites primarily on the internet where they can discuss openly their interests without the interference or threat of retaliation from the powers that be. There is everything from white nationalists to just average folk with all points in between; all 210,000,000 of us.

    Yes. That’s not all of it, or it’s not the only way to look at it, but what you said was very well said.

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  81. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    “…the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.”

    No pun intended, of course.

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  82. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I use them only for cutting, copying, and pasting, from things other than Windows applications. My relatively brief experience with DOS did not endear me to them.

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  83. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonym
    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.

    FWIW, here’s another screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9-LrpXUAAoaxl.jpg

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    i.e. there's multiple fakes around or she deleted it because I can't find it on her timeline.
  84. @vvv
    It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful than in Europe historically, I do not recall the left in the US having formal militias, like in 1930s Germany, nor do I remember right and left wing militias shooting it out on the street like pre ww2 europe, or leading politicians from both sides getting their speeches interrupted by pipes bombs or a hail of bullets. That is actually one of the benefits of the american left being influencd by cultural Marxism, and m
    not Marxist Leninism.

    There were massive left wing street militias in the US during the War in Vietnam. Not sure how organized they were but you had the SDS, etc.

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  85. @syonredux

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     
    I've never received an anti-Semitic tweet or email.....And I've actually engaged in protracted conversations with people on the Alt-Right who know that my grandfather was a Jew from Latvia...I must be doing something wrong....

    You don’t have illegitimate power over them.

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    • Replies: @nh
    You know that andew anglin alone gets more web traffic than the whole of unz.com right?
  86. Delete the Ctrl-Left.

    Delete the Left, period.

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    Delete the Ctrl-Left.

    I'd like to Ctrl-z since about 1965. Now that's a shortcut, along with ctrl-y.

  87. @ben tillman

    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:
     
    She's poking the bear, with a fork, in both eyes, as hard as she can.

    She's depending on institutional support. She has it for now.

    She’s depending on institutional support.

    Well, that and a $70 billion brother. The nouveau riche are not known for their exceptional equanimity.

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  88. @Mr. Anon
    It isn't recent, and he didn't appropriate it. Spencer coined the term "alt-right" several years ago. When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it's origin and meaning.

    When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it’s origin and meaning.

    He likely got it from Milo’s sympathetic article at Breitbart.

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  89. @Jefferson
    "I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent"

    I don't care how many different baby daddies she plans to have as a slutty single mom whore, as long as we the evil White taxpayers do not have to pick up the tab.

    "With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,"

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?

    "my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]"

    Intersectional? Is she saying she's going to raise all of her babies to grow up to be Trannies?

    "and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,"

    I don't own or need a swastika to save me because I use my second amendment rights to protect me.

    “With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,”

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?

    I’m reluctant to do do this because I like the spirit and substance of your comment, and I don’t want to detract from your point, but I think that she was talking about the “genders” of her children, not the gender of their — LOL.

    What a 102-IQ dumbshit she is! The genders of her children shall “outnumber the stars”, but the “genders” of their parents will number two: mother and father.

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    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    She didn't write the poem. Someone else did, though I forget who. Barren leftists I know have been passing it around lately.
    , @Desiderius

    The genders of her children shall “outnumber the stars”, but the “genders” of their parents will number two: mother and father.
     
    It's stealth population control/reduction.
  90. > keyboard shortcuts for me

    i’m so old, I can remember when Microsoft was publishing instructions on how to use Windows without a mouse.

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  91. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    FWIW, here's another screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9-LrpXUAAoaxl.jpg

    i.e. there’s multiple fakes around or she deleted it because I can’t find it on her timeline.

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  92. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    Any account that sends Donna a threat on Twitter will almost certainly be banned in hours. Common sense says you can't send stuff like that to the sister of the guy who owns the website without retaliation. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this.

    I stand corrected. It’s late.

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  93. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr. Anon
    It would seem that all these two organizations share is a name, nothing more.

    Same agenda

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  94. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @syonredux

    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.
     
    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.
    With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,
    my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f[***]
    and your swastikas will not be enough to save you,
     

    There’s a certain amount of “Nyah Nyah Nyah I’m a dirty whore you white man and you can’t stop me,’ about that poem. I’ll believe that she believes her own propaganda when she actually has a bunch of kids by various fathers. I doubt she understands she’s like to be beaten to a pulp by some of these brown- and black-skinned fathers every time she bounces from man to man.

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    Although she says it "speaks to me", I doubt she really means that. She means "I hope it speaks to you, white gentile woman". She'll probably marry a jewish guy.
  95. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her."

    Women on the political Right like Pamela Geller, Dana Loesch, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc say they get rape and death threats all of the time from Left Wing trolls. These Social Justice Warrior trolls are fighting the war on women by threatening to rape and kill women who do not share the same political views as them. It looks like something straight out of The Onion.

    When it comes to trolling, the left has us beat by a mile. Have you seen the numbers of emails the Electors are getting? One guy from Michigan says he’s had over 200,000 already.

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  96. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I’m 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse. Once you get into the rhythm of things it’s remarkable what you can do, even if some of the shortcuts are less than elegant: you might have to hit Tab seven times to highlight a link, but it’s still quicker than taking a hand off the keyboard, dragging your mouse pointer to the link, and bringing your hand back to the keyboard. I’m sold.

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    I find a mixture works best for me mouse + keyboard commands works faster than either all mouse or all keyboard. I've never got into the habit of only using the mouse.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse.
     
    Wasn’t there a Seinfeld episode about that?
  97. @Desiderius
    You don't have illegitimate power over them.

    You know that andew anglin alone gets more web traffic than the whole of unz.com right?

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    He targets a fatter part of the bell curve.

    Your point?
  98. @whorefinder
    What a whiner; if you publicly enter the world of politics, lots of folks will make death threats against you. Being a Leftist and a woman, she takes it all so personally and thinks it so much worse when it happens to her.

    I think we of the anti-Left need to play by the same rules, and start publicizing each and every death threat our guys get. Use their own rule book against them. If they want to claim victim-hood points from it, so do we.

    Don't play by some stoic-tough-guy routine, just put them out there and talk about the threats made. Stoic-tough-guy routine won't work.

    That’s probably the dumbest thing you’ve ever said. The fact that you think lots of folks make death threats against anyone who enters the world of politics proves that your view of reality is about as unhinged as any leftist screaming hate hoaxes. The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors. The thirty threats Obama gets every day are idiots who say something suggestive on Facebook or Twitter that they didn’t actually send to anyone. I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page. Back in June there was a case of one insane guy making insane death threats on Twitter to a few congressman and that was unusual.

    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong. And you need to think about that. And you need to repent. Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally. You people talk about the Classics and Western Civilization and you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she’s Joan of Arc for a minute. You see that Tweet she loves it, she’s Joan of Arc dude she’s having a blast.

    The violent bear it away. But that’s not you and “your guys,” dude who won’t even say his name. And Steve doesn’t get death threats you idiot. The only person who’s ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.

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    The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors.
     
    You clearly are in denial about how political fame draws the violent ire across the political spectrum. Your local talk radio and politicos get death threats regularly for minor and medium-events. Blow it up to a national pundit on the Ann Coulter-level, and you are going to see some serious numbers.

    The difference is not whether a threat is made, but whether it is "credible." Most of these Leftists are whining about incredible, silly threats from dudes who got a little drunk or were a little stressed out that day; Ann Coulter gets those, too. The investigators give those a cursory glance.

    But, occasionally, there IS a credible threat; the dude writes several threats in a row, or mentions where a famous person lives, etc. And those occasions happen to everyone with a national profile once in a while.


    I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page.
     
    Nice. So the secret police were more concerned with vague anger at Obama rather than using their resources to scan the Facebook pages of new immigrants to see if they ranted about how great ISIS is?

    Good job Jack Hansen!


    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers
     
    Sweet justice, I think there's some projection going on here. What women are you doxxing, Cucksey?

    that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong
     
    Having seen evidence of this, and your conclusory denial, makes me very suspicious of why you're in such denial. I'll trust Ann Coulter and other girls of the right on this over you, Patty C.

    Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally
     

    .

    lol. What she's describing aren't serious threats, otherwise she wouldn't be whining about them. She's akin to an actress getting famous and then whining about not being able to go to the store. People writing mean things about you is the price you pay for being a national political figure, don't like it, stop being one , the attention (good and bad) will go away.


    you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she’s Joan of Arc for a minute.
     
    Wow, just more projection by Patty. I never threatened her, Patty C.; I was making fun of her hysterical overreaction to basic hatemail. You do get the difference, right?

    ....Right?

    But the more important questions are: why are you threatening women with death? And which women are you threatending?


    The violent bear it away. But that’s not you and “your guys,” dude who won’t even say his name. And Steve doesn’t get death threats you idiot. The only person who’s ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.
     
    Are you drunk? lol.
  99. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    You spelled it wrong. It’s ‘counter-Semites’.

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  100. @vvv
    It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful than in Europe historically, I do not recall the left in the US having formal militias, like in 1930s Germany, nor do I remember right and left wing militias shooting it out on the street like pre ww2 europe, or leading politicians from both sides getting their speeches interrupted by pipes bombs or a hail of bullets. That is actually one of the benefits of the american left being influencd by cultural Marxism, and m
    not Marxist Leninism.

    Here, the left’s Black mascots fill that role.

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  101. @Pat Casey
    That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. The fact that you think lots of folks make death threats against anyone who enters the world of politics proves that your view of reality is about as unhinged as any leftist screaming hate hoaxes. The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors. The thirty threats Obama gets every day are idiots who say something suggestive on Facebook or Twitter that they didn't actually send to anyone. I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page. Back in June there was a case of one insane guy making insane death threats on Twitter to a few congressman and that was unusual.

    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong. And you need to think about that. And you need to repent. Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally. You people talk about the Classics and Western Civilization and you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she's Joan of Arc for a minute. You see that Tweet she loves it, she's Joan of Arc dude she's having a blast.

    The violent bear it away. But that's not you and "your guys," dude who won't even say his name. And Steve doesn't get death threats you idiot. The only person who's ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.

    The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors.

    You clearly are in denial about how political fame draws the violent ire across the political spectrum. Your local talk radio and politicos get death threats regularly for minor and medium-events. Blow it up to a national pundit on the Ann Coulter-level, and you are going to see some serious numbers.

    The difference is not whether a threat is made, but whether it is “credible.” Most of these Leftists are whining about incredible, silly threats from dudes who got a little drunk or were a little stressed out that day; Ann Coulter gets those, too. The investigators give those a cursory glance.

    But, occasionally, there IS a credible threat; the dude writes several threats in a row, or mentions where a famous person lives, etc. And those occasions happen to everyone with a national profile once in a while.

    I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page.

    Nice. So the secret police were more concerned with vague anger at Obama rather than using their resources to scan the Facebook pages of new immigrants to see if they ranted about how great ISIS is?

    Good job Jack Hansen!

    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers

    Sweet justice, I think there’s some projection going on here. What women are you doxxing, Cucksey?

    that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong

    Having seen evidence of this, and your conclusory denial, makes me very suspicious of why you’re in such denial. I’ll trust Ann Coulter and other girls of the right on this over you, Patty C.

    Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally

    .

    lol. What she’s describing aren’t serious threats, otherwise she wouldn’t be whining about them. She’s akin to an actress getting famous and then whining about not being able to go to the store. People writing mean things about you is the price you pay for being a national political figure, don’t like it, stop being one , the attention (good and bad) will go away.

    you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she’s Joan of Arc for a minute.

    Wow, just more projection by Patty. I never threatened her, Patty C.; I was making fun of her hysterical overreaction to basic hatemail. You do get the difference, right?

    ….Right?

    But the more important questions are: why are you threatening women with death? And which women are you threatending?

    The violent bear it away. But that’s not you and “your guys,” dude who won’t even say his name. And Steve doesn’t get death threats you idiot. The only person who’s ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.

    Are you drunk? lol.

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    I wonder if there is any data on this. I know Megan McArdle has written in her blog about the fairly frequent crazy death and rape threats she gets. I don't think she's at all unique. My impression is that prominent online figures tend to get a certain level of this, women usually more than men.

    This is the downside of the relative anonymity of the Internet--some people use the added freedom of anonymity to have worthwhile discussions that would get them hassled by HR if they used their true names, but there are plenty of idiots who can think of nothing more creative to do with it than send death threats to a stranger.
    , @Pat Casey
    Oh this is pretty damn funny actually. I always found you beyond the pale because I took your website 'about' and motto literally and thought your thing was doxxing feminists bloggers or some such. At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them---- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis--- and under that impression I assumed your blog was about being a zealous disciple of your guru and the whole business struck me as repugnant. I don't know, the phrase 'a woman's past matters' is provocative I suppose. I just never scrolled your blog at all. We can be friendlier now though if you don't actually worship the devil in that way. I am glad you don't do that, I assumed you must be an omega who despised women, and could only hope to help your PUA brethren in cyber battle, and I even thought to feel sorry for you, that you went out in search of whores because you couldn't enjoy them. It's pretty hilarious altogether, especially now that you're just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol. Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn't know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

    Ann Coulter relishes inviting her haters more than anyone who's not on talk radio I would say, she would get death threats if anyone in that line did I suppose, and I'm sure she does, though I can't find them on twitter, and I'm sure her email is not public, much less her address, so anyways its hard for me to see how she gets deluged with them. So how is that what you know? I suspect we think people like her get more death threats than they do because they get a lot of hate mail and maybe its one of those things with celebrities where they like to call all hate mail death threats because that's more special, and I suspect not a few of them don't receive any hate mail but will say they receive lots of death threats---you believe women lie like that don't you whorefinder?

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity? Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it--- but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that's for sure. So as I say I'm skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can't imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

    But all that is really beside the point, because, and note that no one has ever mistaken me for a philo-semite, because it's pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it "personally" when a bunch of "our guys" tell her we prefer you were a lampshade. Nor can I fathom why she should not act like such a woman---which is bro you want your women feminine or not? And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats. Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats. Are you saying she should laugh off the attacks you totally support because you just want to joke around with her? Or do you not totally support the attacks and if not then why are you concerned with her reaction?

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail. I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail that mean, because I wouldn't likely believe the death threat but I might wonder if the hate mail was more of a death threat, and that's the type of wonder that makes you wonder more. And the first thing she wondered was who is he who sent them? I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.

    Anyways I take it this was her first go around with any such attention, and actually I would have expected more of a reaction from her than I saw after reading that call to arms she penned, but then I don't know any norms of twitter.
  102. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    Tiny Duck….Charles Blow….you’re kidding right?

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  103. @Hibernian
    Delete the Ctrl-Left.

    Delete the Left, period.

    Delete the Ctrl-Left.

    I’d like to Ctrl-z since about 1965. Now that’s a shortcut, along with ctrl-y.

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  104. @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

    “For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat.”

    Maybe not a terroristic threat but almost certainly a cultural one.

    It’s not just a matter of life and death. It’s also about the quality of life.

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  105. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    If Richard Spencer is the leader of the Alt Right, then its membership numbers less than two dozen.

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    There is no Alt Right club or party.

    It is a state of mind.

    A spirit that has viral potential.

    Remember Muhammad began with a small group of followers. He had an idea that could catch on.
  106. @Anon
    Any account that sends Donna a threat on Twitter will almost certainly be banned in hours. Common sense says you can't send stuff like that to the sister of the guy who owns the website without retaliation. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone propagating alt-right messages on Twitter gets banned after this

    And that, allowing for your confusion of Twitter with Facebook, should probably be your first clue if you want to establish who sends such messages. Cui bono? Common sense suggests three obvious groups who are probably responsible.

    Given the general modern prevalence of the “hate hoax” as a method for these identity lobby wannabe censors to jusify their “defensive” aggressions, the biggest group is probably jewish and pro-jewish groups and individuals who want to see more favourable treatment for their identity group. Exactly the same as the black and gay identity obsessives who do exactly the same kind of thing (faking up “threats” and “outrages” to make their side appear more threatened), time after time after time.

    The second group is probably far smaller and would consist of reasonably decent people who have been provoked/censored/threatened with violence or with actual prosecution by jewish and pro-jewish groups and individuals on the internet (I can confirm from direct personal experience that this kind of thing is a regular occurrence), and who lack the discipline to contain their responses.

    The final and probably vanishingly small group is of not too bright people who actually sent the messages with menacing intent.

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  107. @Hosswire
    I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts --- Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah --- get 100,000 downloads per week.

    I suspect those numbers are rigged.

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    "I suspect those numbers are rigged."

    By Putin, no doubt.

    I would trust their numbers over yours.
  108. @Mr. Anon
    It isn't recent, and he didn't appropriate it. Spencer coined the term "alt-right" several years ago. When Bannon used it, he probably only had a dim understandng of it's origin and meaning.

    Spencer did not coin the term “alt-right.” Spencer named a web domain “alternative right,” which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.

    Spencer seems to have a penchant for appropriating others’ ideas and memes.

    And not only is “alternative right” a phrase distinct from “alt-right”. When the latter term exploded onto the scene last year, it had a different meaning from Spencer’s “alternativeright.com” referent of five years earlier.

    And last year’s term now has an additional meaning thanks to Spencer: racial purity ethnonationalism and ethnic cleansing on U.S. soil.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Spencer did not coin the term “alt-right.” Spencer named a web domain “alternative right,” which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried."

    "Alt-right" is different than "alternative right". Can you point to Gottfried's use of the former? As far as I could tell, Spencer was the first to use it.

    Perhaps your one-man crusade to bury the thought-criminal Bernstein Spencer has unhinged you.
  109. @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

    When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet

    What were you trying to educate yourself on specifically?

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    I wanted to understand who the terrorists were and why they did what they did. It seemed comparable to Pearl Harbor.

    As I studied, lines of inquiry not directly related to 9/11 opened. I stressed my newfound spare time to emphasize how much effort went into this.

    I even spent two years after I retired 2012 immersed 24/7 as a co-blogger at the Canadian site BlazingCatFur.

    I found blogging too time consuming and even too depressing. But I continue to read, although I have long since understood that 9/11 was ultimately a product of Islam.

    I developed an interest in various offshoots of study, some ranging far from my original quest (including reading Steve's blog).

    Oh yes and I discovered how badly the Left had deteriorated since I been an leftist based on family background (my father was a union organizer in Canada in the late 1930s). I also discovered that even in the 1930s the Left was not so great as I'd thought with their support of Stalin.

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    @SFG
    Spencer's not openly gay, though lots of people have wondered. It would be kind of funny if the alt-right vs neocon fight boiled down to gay conservatives vs. Jewish conservatives.

    For any newbies, it was alternative to what was mainstream conservatism in the Bush era, which was lots of wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel, and lots of illegal immigration. It's now coming to mean 'conservatism based on white gentile identity politics', more or less.

    “Spencer’s not openly gay”

    He’s not homo at all.

    He’s married.

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    "He’s not homo at all.

    He’s married."

    So is Dr. Dre. But there still have been rumors for years that he is a Down Low Brotha.

    , @Hare Krishna
    Like Rock Hudson, Tony Perkins, and Elton John?

    Or, more recently, Tom Cruise and Eric Garcetti?
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    @Opinionator
    If Richard Spencer is the leader of the Alt Right, then its membership numbers less than two dozen.

    There is no Alt Right club or party.

    It is a state of mind.

    A spirit that has viral potential.

    Remember Muhammad began with a small group of followers. He had an idea that could catch on.

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    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Making death threats is against the law, and I’ll bet she only got few of those if any.
    But she probably did get a lot of insults, which is what really pissed her off.

    It’s the nature of Twitter or Twatter.
    You can’t say much, so it’s only good for sharing links, posting memes, hurling insults, tossing epithets, being ‘snarky’, etc. Mockery and ridicule.

    Someone with a knack for slogans can use it creatively, but it’s just a mud-slinging fest for the hoi polloi, most of us.

    Btw, how convenient for her that a word like ‘antisemitic’ exists with which to discredit her attackers. But she can proudly indulge in the worst kind of anti-white-gentile-male hatred because it hasn’t been terminologically pathologized.

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  113. @larry lurker
    I'm 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse. Once you get into the rhythm of things it's remarkable what you can do, even if some of the shortcuts are less than elegant: you might have to hit Tab seven times to highlight a link, but it's still quicker than taking a hand off the keyboard, dragging your mouse pointer to the link, and bringing your hand back to the keyboard. I'm sold.

    I find a mixture works best for me mouse + keyboard commands works faster than either all mouse or all keyboard. I’ve never got into the habit of only using the mouse.

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  114. @Hosswire
    I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts --- Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah --- get 100,000 downloads per week.

    “I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts — Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah — get 100,000 downloads per week.”

    100,000 is still well below 1 percent of the people who voted for Donald J. Trump. The Alt-Right didn’t get him elected POTUS.

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  115. @vvv
    It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful than in Europe historically, I do not recall the left in the US having formal militias, like in 1930s Germany, nor do I remember right and left wing militias shooting it out on the street like pre ww2 europe, or leading politicians from both sides getting their speeches interrupted by pipes bombs or a hail of bullets. That is actually one of the benefits of the american left being influencd by cultural Marxism, and m
    not Marxist Leninism.

    “It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful”

    Left Wingers weren’t acting very pacifist when they bloodied up Donald J. Trump supporters in San Jose, California. The Left Wing cop killer in Dallas, Texas,who was inspired by Black Lies Matter was not acting very pacifist.

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    Think outliers vs averages here. Political movements in the US aren't generally violent, but there are outliers (really rare people on the outer edge of the distribution) who do get violent--notably pro-life terrorists killing abortionists and animal-rights terrorists vandalizing labs and terrorizing scientists.
  116. @Hosswire
    I think your estimates are low.

    Two popular alt right podcasts --- Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah --- get 100,000 downloads per week.

    Two popular alt right podcasts — Fash the Nation & The Daily Shoah — get 100,000 downloads per week.

    Mark Dice has got 700k subscribers and this has been viewed 200k times. He denies being alt-right, but he certainly makes fun of PC and anti-white stuff. This segment is pretty hilarious – he’s doing better than MTV news. It surprised me. But it’s nice to see that in the age where we don’t have to just be force fed PC content to get the content we want, we don’t seek that stuff out and rate it down.

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  117. @ben tillman

    “With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,”

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?
     

    I'm reluctant to do do this because I like the spirit and substance of your comment, and I don't want to detract from your point, but I think that she was talking about the "genders" of her children, not the gender of their -- LOL.

    What a 102-IQ dumbshit she is! The genders of her children shall "outnumber the stars", but the "genders" of their parents will number two: mother and father.

    She didn’t write the poem. Someone else did, though I forget who. Barren leftists I know have been passing it around lately.

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  118. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm Asian and I don't oppose the alt-right. In fact, I identify with them. Are you providing an example of goodthink here?

    “Are you providing an example of goodthink here?”

    Considering the fact that what Tiny types can’t be described by either “good” or “bad”, then yes, “ze” is providing an example of goodthink.

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  119. @larry lurker
    I'm 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse. Once you get into the rhythm of things it's remarkable what you can do, even if some of the shortcuts are less than elegant: you might have to hit Tab seven times to highlight a link, but it's still quicker than taking a hand off the keyboard, dragging your mouse pointer to the link, and bringing your hand back to the keyboard. I'm sold.

    I’m 30ish and recently started making a game of seeing how long I can work without touching my mouse.

    Wasn’t there a Seinfeld episode about that?

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  120. @Prof. Woland
    If I had to describe the alt-right it would be a group of predominantly white people, albeit not exclusively, having an anonymous conversation with other whites primarily on the internet where they can discuss openly their interests without the interference or threat of retaliation from the powers that be. There is everything from white nationalists to just average folk with all points in between; all 210,000,000 of us.

    I was quite pleased to find this term, “alt-right”, some time ago. It felt liberating, and had a pleasing oxymoronic flavor: “right” suggests conformity, dull rigor, seriousness; “alt” the opposite, with a “think different” flavor. For some reason and perhaps wrongly, I associated it with Razib and his unapologetic un-pc opinions. Certainly I did not link it to any kind of racial or ethnic movement, quite the contrary. The label “paleo-con” had its charm and humor too (long after “neo-con” had been robbed of any novelty or appeal), but it felt as self-evidently doomed as my attempts to follow the diet of the same name.

    By the way I assume “alt” came from Usenet, the “alt-*” newsgroups providing a “home for a wide variety of things that did not fit elsewhere”. This home, and all of Usenet, has slowly disappeared, due to obsolescence and uncontrolled dissemination of illegal materials such as child pornography. Nobody’s perfect…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy

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  121. @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

    Some of it’s as you claim–Breitbart probably did as much as anyone to help elect Trump–but there’s a very, very large Jewish contingent among the theoreticians and enforcers of PC and the modern left in general. Combine that with the large Jewish presence in the NeverTrump movement. Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don’t help.

    It’s an old blood feud going back to the 1890s that I don’t see abating anytime soon.

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    "Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don’t help."

    Adolf Hitler worship is very Homo and creepy if you ask me. The whole sieg heil White nationalist Stormfront 14 words movement gives off such a creepy Manson Family and Jim Jones Jonestown type cult vibe.

    I am more of the everyday "mainstream racist next door" type White guy like Walt Kowalski from Gran Torino and Archie Bunker. I notice things that are politically incorrect hate facts, but I can still be friends with Nonwhite people on an individual basis.

  122. @Laugh Track

    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.
     
    I think this is largely accurate. I'm not sure about "friendly profile(s) of Spencer", but the widespread linkage from alt-right to Breitbart to White Nationalists is way too facile and inaccurate. My understanding of alt-right was that it designated a non-cucked right that saw through PC and the NeoCons and liked to troll the left with Pepe memes, etc. Part Paleo and part snotty pranksters and trolls. I'm not sure that Spencer and Moldbug co-exist in the same space.

    They don’t, but it’s pretty much Spencer at this point–Moldbug was an interesting theoretician but most of his insights have been well absorbed and his branch of the movement is no longer active.

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  123. @newrouter
    The "alt right" is just the folks who think that:"GWBush, Rove, Weekly Standard, National Review et al" are effing idiots. Unlike the ctl-left, the alt - right is trying to solve problems not create new ones.

    It’s people on the right who think that GWBush, Rove, Weekly Standard, National Review et al are effing idiots and whose principal motivating drive is white identity politics. Leaving out white identity politics still gives you most libertarians–leave out both and you get the left.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Many on the Left are still supportive of, or at least not very opposed to, mass immigration.
  124. @Anon
    "Spencer’s not openly gay"

    He's not homo at all.

    He's married.

    “He’s not homo at all.

    He’s married.”

    So is Dr. Dre. But there still have been rumors for years that he is a Down Low Brotha.

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    Oh no, not this 'gaydar' stuff.

    Yeah yeah, Hitler was homo, Trotsky was homo, Lincoln was homo, etc.

    There's no end to this.

    Without smoking gun(or poking bun), I say NO.
  125. @Anonymous
    I assume you're an older guy who reads the older hard-right publications like Unz, Taki, VDare, etc. The newer sites and the social media sites run by younger elements of the far-right are much more viral, popular, and anti-Semitic.

    Nobody agrees on a definition. Is the alt right Steve and Greg and hbd chick, or is it Spencer?

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    Is the alt right Steve and Greg and hbd chick, or is it Spencer?
     
    Steve's not right, he's just a dude who wants to live in a country.
  126. @Anonym
    https://twitter.com/SisypheanSperg/status/810492911687237632/photo/1

    I think it may have been related to this. Not sure if genuine.

    I suspect it’s fake. Sounds like an alt-righter’s idea of how a leftist thinks–it’s all about demographic warfare. Feminists don’t want to have kids.

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  127. @Steve Sailer
    Are these two organizations with Paideia in their names the same organization? One is in America, one is in Sweden.

    This Fake Ad for A Swedish Hazy Lampshade of Winter Presents Disgrace to All Humanity:

    http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30251817/

    Good to know:
    Use an opal light bulb if you have an ordinary lamp shade or lamp and want an even, diffused distribution of light.

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  128. @SFG
    Some of it's as you claim--Breitbart probably did as much as anyone to help elect Trump--but there's a very, very large Jewish contingent among the theoreticians and enforcers of PC and the modern left in general. Combine that with the large Jewish presence in the NeverTrump movement. Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don't help.

    It's an old blood feud going back to the 1890s that I don't see abating anytime soon.

    “Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don’t help.”

    Adolf Hitler worship is very Homo and creepy if you ask me. The whole sieg heil White nationalist Stormfront 14 words movement gives off such a creepy Manson Family and Jim Jones Jonestown type cult vibe.

    I am more of the everyday “mainstream racist next door” type White guy like Walt Kowalski from Gran Torino and Archie Bunker. I notice things that are politically incorrect hate facts, but I can still be friends with Nonwhite people on an individual basis.

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  129. So what is western civilization? Is democracy western civilization? What about paganism? Or feudalism or absolute monarchy, or a hereditary oligarchy like the Roman republic, can Philip II’s Spain be regarded as being part of the west even though it is a theocracy, what about Russia under the czars? Should the eastern orthodox church be treated as a part of western civilization, Samuel Huntington disagrees, what about the Eastern Roman Empire, should it be treated as part of the west? What about the Carthaginians?

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  130. @ben tillman

    “With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars,”

    Fathers from every genders? Is she talking about getting impregnated by male-to-female Trannies?
     

    I'm reluctant to do do this because I like the spirit and substance of your comment, and I don't want to detract from your point, but I think that she was talking about the "genders" of her children, not the gender of their -- LOL.

    What a 102-IQ dumbshit she is! The genders of her children shall "outnumber the stars", but the "genders" of their parents will number two: mother and father.

    The genders of her children shall “outnumber the stars”, but the “genders” of their parents will number two: mother and father.

    It’s stealth population control/reduction.

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  131. @NOTA
    Nobody agrees on a definition. Is the alt right Steve and Greg and hbd chick, or is it Spencer?

    Is the alt right Steve and Greg and hbd chick, or is it Spencer?

    Steve’s not right, he’s just a dude who wants to live in a country.

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  132. @nh
    You know that andew anglin alone gets more web traffic than the whole of unz.com right?

    He targets a fatter part of the bell curve.

    Your point?

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  133. @whorefinder

    The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors.
     
    You clearly are in denial about how political fame draws the violent ire across the political spectrum. Your local talk radio and politicos get death threats regularly for minor and medium-events. Blow it up to a national pundit on the Ann Coulter-level, and you are going to see some serious numbers.

    The difference is not whether a threat is made, but whether it is "credible." Most of these Leftists are whining about incredible, silly threats from dudes who got a little drunk or were a little stressed out that day; Ann Coulter gets those, too. The investigators give those a cursory glance.

    But, occasionally, there IS a credible threat; the dude writes several threats in a row, or mentions where a famous person lives, etc. And those occasions happen to everyone with a national profile once in a while.


    I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page.
     
    Nice. So the secret police were more concerned with vague anger at Obama rather than using their resources to scan the Facebook pages of new immigrants to see if they ranted about how great ISIS is?

    Good job Jack Hansen!


    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers
     
    Sweet justice, I think there's some projection going on here. What women are you doxxing, Cucksey?

    that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong
     
    Having seen evidence of this, and your conclusory denial, makes me very suspicious of why you're in such denial. I'll trust Ann Coulter and other girls of the right on this over you, Patty C.

    Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally
     

    .

    lol. What she's describing aren't serious threats, otherwise she wouldn't be whining about them. She's akin to an actress getting famous and then whining about not being able to go to the store. People writing mean things about you is the price you pay for being a national political figure, don't like it, stop being one , the attention (good and bad) will go away.


    you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she’s Joan of Arc for a minute.
     
    Wow, just more projection by Patty. I never threatened her, Patty C.; I was making fun of her hysterical overreaction to basic hatemail. You do get the difference, right?

    ....Right?

    But the more important questions are: why are you threatening women with death? And which women are you threatending?


    The violent bear it away. But that’s not you and “your guys,” dude who won’t even say his name. And Steve doesn’t get death threats you idiot. The only person who’s ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.
     
    Are you drunk? lol.

    I wonder if there is any data on this. I know Megan McArdle has written in her blog about the fairly frequent crazy death and rape threats she gets. I don’t think she’s at all unique. My impression is that prominent online figures tend to get a certain level of this, women usually more than men.

    This is the downside of the relative anonymity of the Internet–some people use the added freedom of anonymity to have worthwhile discussions that would get them hassled by HR if they used their true names, but there are plenty of idiots who can think of nothing more creative to do with it than send death threats to a stranger.

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    there's also the issue of what constitutes a "death threat." Hysterical Lefties will claim that if someone says "you're a cancer on humanity" or "I hope you get AIDS", it's a death threat; they constantly stretch the definition. Look how Patty Cuck is so delusional that he thinks that I'm making death threats and doxxing women, simply because I'm refusing to believe she's receiving credible death threats.

    And that's before you can even consider whether the threat is credible.

    You can always tell when a Lefty is lying about their supposed "death threats" because, when challenged, they won't release the email/posting/tweet that supposedly threatened them with death, fully and in context. They want to be able to make accusations of "death threats" and not be challenged on it. When this happens, assume they're lying and don't believe them.
  134. @Opinionator
    Spencer did not coin the term "alt-right." Spencer named a web domain "alternative right," which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.

    Spencer seems to have a penchant for appropriating others' ideas and memes.

    And not only is "alternative right" a phrase distinct from "alt-right". When the latter term exploded onto the scene last year, it had a different meaning from Spencer's "alternativeright.com" referent of five years earlier.

    And last year's term now has an additional meaning thanks to Spencer: racial purity ethnonationalism and ethnic cleansing on U.S. soil.

    “Spencer did not coin the term “alt-right.” Spencer named a web domain “alternative right,” which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.”

    “Alt-right” is different than “alternative right”. Can you point to Gottfried’s use of the former? As far as I could tell, Spencer was the first to use it.

    Perhaps your one-man crusade to bury the thought-criminal Bernstein Spencer has unhinged you.

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  135. @Jefferson
    "It has always been my impression that the left in the US has always been more pacifist of peaceful"

    Left Wingers weren't acting very pacifist when they bloodied up Donald J. Trump supporters in San Jose, California. The Left Wing cop killer in Dallas, Texas,who was inspired by Black Lies Matter was not acting very pacifist.

    Think outliers vs averages here. Political movements in the US aren’t generally violent, but there are outliers (really rare people on the outer edge of the distribution) who do get violent–notably pro-life terrorists killing abortionists and animal-rights terrorists vandalizing labs and terrorizing scientists.

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    "Think outliers vs averages here. Political movements in the US aren’t generally violent, but there are outliers (really rare people on the outer edge of the distribution) who do get violent–notably pro-life terrorists killing abortionists and animal-rights terrorists vandalizing labs and terrorizing scientists."

    100 percent of the violence in this presidential election has come from the political Left.
  136. @Opinionator
    I suspect those numbers are rigged.

    “I suspect those numbers are rigged.”

    By Putin, no doubt.

    I would trust their numbers over yours.

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  137. @Anon
    There's a certain amount of "Nyah Nyah Nyah I'm a dirty whore you white man and you can't stop me,' about that poem. I'll believe that she believes her own propaganda when she actually has a bunch of kids by various fathers. I doubt she understands she's like to be beaten to a pulp by some of these brown- and black-skinned fathers every time she bounces from man to man.

    Although she says it “speaks to me”, I doubt she really means that. She means “I hope it speaks to you, white gentile woman”. She’ll probably marry a jewish guy.

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  138. @whorefinder

    The only people who regularly GET death threats are federal judges and prosecutors.
     
    You clearly are in denial about how political fame draws the violent ire across the political spectrum. Your local talk radio and politicos get death threats regularly for minor and medium-events. Blow it up to a national pundit on the Ann Coulter-level, and you are going to see some serious numbers.

    The difference is not whether a threat is made, but whether it is "credible." Most of these Leftists are whining about incredible, silly threats from dudes who got a little drunk or were a little stressed out that day; Ann Coulter gets those, too. The investigators give those a cursory glance.

    But, occasionally, there IS a credible threat; the dude writes several threats in a row, or mentions where a famous person lives, etc. And those occasions happen to everyone with a national profile once in a while.


    I knew someone who got a phone call from the secret service because he posted something a bit too angry about Obama on his Facebook page.
     
    Nice. So the secret police were more concerned with vague anger at Obama rather than using their resources to scan the Facebook pages of new immigrants to see if they ranted about how great ISIS is?

    Good job Jack Hansen!


    I suspect you assume that since you are on a self-styled sinister doxxing mission of female strangers
     
    Sweet justice, I think there's some projection going on here. What women are you doxxing, Cucksey?

    that there must be a lot of people doing so much worse stuff all the time like sending death threats out left and right but you are wrong
     
    Having seen evidence of this, and your conclusory denial, makes me very suspicious of why you're in such denial. I'll trust Ann Coulter and other girls of the right on this over you, Patty C.

    Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally
     

    .

    lol. What she's describing aren't serious threats, otherwise she wouldn't be whining about them. She's akin to an actress getting famous and then whining about not being able to go to the store. People writing mean things about you is the price you pay for being a national political figure, don't like it, stop being one , the attention (good and bad) will go away.


    you are threatening a women with death for speaking out like a perfectly typical and adorable woman who wants to pretend she’s Joan of Arc for a minute.
     
    Wow, just more projection by Patty. I never threatened her, Patty C.; I was making fun of her hysterical overreaction to basic hatemail. You do get the difference, right?

    ....Right?

    But the more important questions are: why are you threatening women with death? And which women are you threatending?


    The violent bear it away. But that’s not you and “your guys,” dude who won’t even say his name. And Steve doesn’t get death threats you idiot. The only person who’s ever physically threatened him on here is probably me.
     
    Are you drunk? lol.

    Oh this is pretty damn funny actually. I always found you beyond the pale because I took your website ‘about’ and motto literally and thought your thing was doxxing feminists bloggers or some such. At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them—- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis— and under that impression I assumed your blog was about being a zealous disciple of your guru and the whole business struck me as repugnant. I don’t know, the phrase ‘a woman’s past matters’ is provocative I suppose. I just never scrolled your blog at all. We can be friendlier now though if you don’t actually worship the devil in that way. I am glad you don’t do that, I assumed you must be an omega who despised women, and could only hope to help your PUA brethren in cyber battle, and I even thought to feel sorry for you, that you went out in search of whores because you couldn’t enjoy them. It’s pretty hilarious altogether, especially now that you’re just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol. Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn’t know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

    Ann Coulter relishes inviting her haters more than anyone who’s not on talk radio I would say, she would get death threats if anyone in that line did I suppose, and I’m sure she does, though I can’t find them on twitter, and I’m sure her email is not public, much less her address, so anyways its hard for me to see how she gets deluged with them. So how is that what you know? I suspect we think people like her get more death threats than they do because they get a lot of hate mail and maybe its one of those things with celebrities where they like to call all hate mail death threats because that’s more special, and I suspect not a few of them don’t receive any hate mail but will say they receive lots of death threats—you believe women lie like that don’t you whorefinder?

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity? Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it— but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that’s for sure. So as I say I’m skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can’t imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

    But all that is really beside the point, because, and note that no one has ever mistaken me for a philo-semite, because it’s pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it “personally” when a bunch of “our guys” tell her we prefer you were a lampshade. Nor can I fathom why she should not act like such a woman—which is bro you want your women feminine or not? And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats. Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats. Are you saying she should laugh off the attacks you totally support because you just want to joke around with her? Or do you not totally support the attacks and if not then why are you concerned with her reaction?

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail. I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail that mean, because I wouldn’t likely believe the death threat but I might wonder if the hate mail was more of a death threat, and that’s the type of wonder that makes you wonder more. And the first thing she wondered was who is he who sent them? I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.

    Anyways I take it this was her first go around with any such attention, and actually I would have expected more of a reaction from her than I saw after reading that call to arms she penned, but then I don’t know any norms of twitter.

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    " I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail"

    What if that death threat is followed by I know where you live and they post your home address, would you still not be disturbed?
    , @whorefinder
    Oh boy, Patty Cuck is trying to cover up not taking his meds last night by vomiting up a bunch of nonsense :

    At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them—- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis— .
     
    What does this word salad even mean? I guess Patty Cuck is upset that Roissy (actually Heartiste) gets into online insult battles with other people who are online--and Heartiste is winning. Patty C. thus is upset that someone on the alt-right is winning.

    especially now that you’re just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol.
     
    Everything about me is spectacular, Patty C.


    Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn’t know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

     

    Of course that happened, Patty C. Of course it did.

    there there.

    *pat pat*

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity?
     
    I spent five whole minutes trying to parse that mishmash of nonsense. I think because Patty C. missed his prescription last night, he doubled up this morning and this is what happens.

    Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it— but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that’s for sure. So as I say I’m skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can’t imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

     

    Your father did not have Facebook, Twitter, email, and his own personal website. One of the blessings of Twitter has been how it momentarily pops the bubbles of Leftist celebrities by people trolling them, and then setting them off. But they also receive a ton more threats/threatening insults to them because they are more connected.

    Don't be obtuse.

    it’s pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it “personally” when a bunch of “our guys” tell her we prefer you were a lampshade.

     

    The Left has only itself to blame for pushing Holocaust Worship/Evil Nazis down everyone's throat for 70+ years now. Like the term "rape", the Left has so wildly overused the Nazi trope it's now a joke, especially since there are no Nazis around. This is the natural, over-the-top, clearly-not-serious reaction to it. And she was never in the Holocaust, her claiming any "personal" insult is laughable. Unless you were an actual Holocaust victim, a Holocaust joke isn't serious, you're just overreacting, trying to invoke some Jewish privilege, so wusses like Patty C. white knight for you.


    And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats.
     
    This is like a celebrity complaining somebody was mean to them online. Because that's all it is. Relax, white knight.

    Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats.
     
    LMAO. Not death threats, she's overreacting to her fame bringing people don't like her, like a wuss. If a woman wants to be fame, she doesn't get to make everyone like her.

    Not death threats, white knight.

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail
     
    .

    So Patty Cuck goes through an entire white knight rage spiral defending this anti-gentile's hysteria, and then admits, "Yeah, dude, you're prolly right."

    Man, you are slow, boy.

    I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.
     
    lmao. It's always 1939. Nazis, Nazis everywhere!

    Go back to your meds, Patty Cuck.
  139. @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

    a massive self-education program

    Yet somehow you completely missed the JQ?

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  140. @ben tillman

    The “neo-Nazis” may be a “rump”, but the anti-Semites aren’t, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right.
     
    No, kidding, The whole point of the alt-right is to stop tilting at (ideological) windmills and actually engage the problem. This is a conflict between groups of people, not ideas.


    And the anti-Semites aren’t powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they’ve been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.
     
    I've seen no evidence of this. What have you seen?

    True.

    Even the Cold War can be viewed as part of the greater Russian-Anglo conflict. America adopted many socialist practice during those years but incorporated them in a different way.

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  141. @Lot
    Old enough to remember Apple II, DOS 6, and Commodore 64.

    I see your Commodore 64, and raise you punched cards.

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    I see your punched cards and raise you a very slow, balky, time sharing teletype terminal.
    , @cthulhu
    Berkeley Unix on a PDP-11.
    , @Desiderius
    I liked to draw on my mom's punch cards.

    Our first PC was a TI Professional (1983).

    At school we had Commodore Pets.
  142. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/809906387207626753

    "What to say to your writer friend who’s getting death threats on Twitter"

    https://medium.com/@donnazuckerberg/what-to-say-to-your-writer-friend-whos-getting-death-threats-on-twitter-4a52f3d924c7

    Content Warning: Anti-Semitism

    Last week, I was granted admission to a club I never wanted to be part of: the society of writers being assailed with death threats on Twitter and by email.
     

    Donna Z’s time stamp is 16 Dec, while the iSteve article is 17 Dec, so the apparent irresponsible comments and messages are not a result of Steve’s post.

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  143. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    Define “anti-Semite.”

    That terms is generally used in order to demonize people critical of “Semite” supremacy.

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  144. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm Asian and I don't oppose the alt-right. In fact, I identify with them. Are you providing an example of goodthink here?

    You’re providing a good example of a troll-baited sucker. Btw your English is excellent for an Asian. よかった!

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  145. @SFG
    Spencer's not openly gay, though lots of people have wondered. It would be kind of funny if the alt-right vs neocon fight boiled down to gay conservatives vs. Jewish conservatives.

    For any newbies, it was alternative to what was mainstream conservatism in the Bush era, which was lots of wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel, and lots of illegal immigration. It's now coming to mean 'conservatism based on white gentile identity politics', more or less.

    He has a slightly effeminate affect but he is married with a child and there is no evidence that he’s gay besides his demeanor and his lack of hostility towards all gays.

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    OK. Fair enough. My apologies to Mr. Spencer if he is somehow reading this.
  146. @SFG
    It's people on the right who think that GWBush, Rove, Weekly Standard, National Review et al are effing idiots and whose principal motivating drive is white identity politics. Leaving out white identity politics still gives you most libertarians--leave out both and you get the left.

    Many on the Left are still supportive of, or at least not very opposed to, mass immigration.

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  147. @ben tillman

    Yeah, that is a truly vile and disgusting poem. I can see how it could engender an extreme reaction:
     
    She's poking the bear, with a fork, in both eyes, as hard as she can.

    She's depending on institutional support. She has it for now.

    She’s trolling back at the trolls.

    It doesn’t seem like a winning strategy to me. The trolls are mostly anonymous, while she’s got a name and a position. Mooting extreme positions costs the anonymous nothing, while her statements will follow her around on her permanent record that is the internet for life. A purpose of trolling is to make the Great and Good look insane, as with Hillary Clinton muttering about the fascist implications of Pepe the Frog. So, mission accomplished for the trolls in this case. If she makes harambe88@yahoo.com mad by quoting a poem the real world consequences are nil.

    Trump’s genius is that he has figured out how to troll the left while running for president. I’m still not quite sure how he does it.

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  148. @Frau Katze
    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    I found some really good educational stuff from right-leaning Jews.

    I was starting cold. A Math/Physics major, a long career as a computer programmer, plus raising two kids on my own, didn't leave me a lot of spare time. By 9/11 the kids were leaving home, successfully launched, giving me a lot more spare time.

    The New Republic had some good stuff (too bad they've become just another lefty site).

    Front Page Mag is also good, taking many of the same stands as most readers here. But I've noticed occasional articles by their writer Daniel Greenfield complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they're been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can't figure out why they can't put 2 + 2 together.

    He calls them JINOs (like RINOs).

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can't understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can't take a more nuanced view.

    For example, I think Islam poses a great threat to the West, but I acknowledge that not every single person born a Muslim is a threat. There are even a few good writers there too.

    I was surprised to find anti-Semitism on the left. But it is. As far as I can see, it's related to the influx of Muslims. Politicians want to cater to them.

    But there could be other reasons. I wasn't reading up politics pre-9/11. I foolishly assumed that media like Newsweek would give a realistic picture of the world.

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it’s literally one in a million — Jews that support White identity — although I’m sure you’d find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

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    I can't speak for those I haven't read in the short time since Trump was elected.

    But at FrontPage (run by Jew David Horowitz) all the writers (including the Jew Daniel Greenfield that I mentioned) seem to see themselves as white too.

    They agree with all the points that made Trump a winner (largely a cutback on immigration, including a separation fence) and a distinct distaste for Islam. They do support Israel, but I cannot see a contradiction as they support reduced immigration to the U.S.

    They don't see themselves as a Jewish site and many non-Jews write there also.

    You could check it out yourself.

    They are likely not far from a site like Breitbart.

    BlazingCatFur supports both Israel and an end to mass immigration to Canada (the man who runs the site is not Jewish).

    There are many site in this category.

    As to what fraction of Jews would identify with editorial line at FrontPage, I can't say.

    Another point: many of the Jews who support mass immigration to the US are not particularly interested in Israel, or are outright anti-Israel.

    Statistics on these points would be useful, but I can't see any polling organization taking up the task.
    , @SFG
    More than one in a million. Romney got 30% of the Jewish vote and Trump 20%, so you might go as far as two in three, though I suspect a lot of those were vaguely right-leaning guys who couldn't stomach Hillary, or didn't think Trump would really go after the Jews. A lot of the right-wing intelligentsia didn't like Trump, and a lot of those were Jewish. If I had to guess I'd say 'right-wing Jews' are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.

    The Breitbart crowd actually practices a sort of soft white identity politics. They'll report on crimes by illegal immigrants and Muslims, though of course those aren't races per se. When you get to real white identity politics the Hitler stuff scares a lot of people off, Jewish and otherwise.

    One of the things I've realized over the years is that the mushy middle is actually a pretty vital place politically even if it's flabby intellectually. Soft-pedaling racial appeals gives you just enough deniability to moderate whites to get elected to major offices. If whites are afraid of black crime, you can promise to crack down on crime and put lots of black people in jail, and well, theoretically black people who aren't criminals have nothing to worry about.

    , @Frau Katze
    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    Trudeau Sr. was part French and part Scottish. I have it heard it said that the 100% French Canadians didn't accept him due to this mixed background. Thus he wanted a whole bunch of other ethnicities to dilute the French and English-speakers.

    I have no idea if this true or not, but the man certainly wasn't Jewish or even particularly interested in them. The francophone/Anglophone debate was the big story in Canada.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can't figure out. I've encountered many of them. They don't seem to even have an opinion on Israel or Jews.

    There are fewer Jews per capita in Canada than the US. They are particularly thin on the ground in western Canada. Yet there are leftist idiots galore out here. You can take that to the bank.
    , @Frau Katze
    The term "white people" is perhaps where we differ. Most Ashkenazi Jews do look white, and if a Jew wants to call him/herself "white," that's fine with me.

    Now if I had lived my life in a an area where there were large Jewish minorities (I'm thinking pre-WW II Eastern Europe) I might have a different opinion.

    But since they're a tiny minority in B.C., Canada, I can't see them as a threat. There aren't even enough in all of Canada to bother me.

    So you might say, I just have no experience with the problem.

    But as I mentioned in another comment, the small number of Jews in Canada did not slow the globalist agenda, including mass immigration from very different cultures, at all.

    The point I'm making is even if Jews were prominent in the onset mass immigration in the US, it happened even so in Canada. In summary, the idea that there would not have been mass immigration without Jews, is wrong.

    The West is crawling is crazy Gentile leftists. The emphasis on Jews makes no sense. You have to look at the West as a whole, rather than restrict yourself the US.
  149. @SFG
    Spencer's not openly gay, though lots of people have wondered. It would be kind of funny if the alt-right vs neocon fight boiled down to gay conservatives vs. Jewish conservatives.

    For any newbies, it was alternative to what was mainstream conservatism in the Bush era, which was lots of wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel, and lots of illegal immigration. It's now coming to mean 'conservatism based on white gentile identity politics', more or less.

    In my mind if that’s what the fight boiled down to — it doesn’t, FWIW — then I wouldn’t laugh, I’d cry.

    Two groups of minorities skilled at crypsis with historical grudges against the majority?

    Sad!

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    I don't think it does either, it's just a funny thought.
  150. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    @ Lot

    “It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types.”

    Spencer is not a fringe ‘neo-Nazi’. If he is, then so is Sailer. Stop throwing around epithets designed by the SPLC.

    Also, Bannon didn’t use it in the ‘normal way’. That’s absurd. Breitbart basically serves up Neoconservatism/libertarianism. It isn’t alternative in any way. The Alt-Right is a White identity movement. Nothing else.

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    Eh...no. Spencer isn't a Nazi per se. He does represent the core alt-right. There are people like Anglin who are even more extreme.

    I wouldn't really say Breitbart is neocon (though they do support Israel quite strongly) or libertarian. They've covered European nationalist movements quite positively, at least the milder ones like UKIP, FN, and AfD. They've covered crime by illegal immigrants and Muslims quite extensively.
    It's more a sort of kosher alt-lite; they support white interests as long as it doesn't mean directly attacking Jewish ones. And they'll often go after Jewish liberals, they just don't call them out for being Jewish. (Except for the one time Dave Horowitz went after Bill Kristol, and the MSM hung that around their necks for weeks.)

    On the one hand, I guess it's not a pure white identity movement. On the other hand, they won.

    , @Prof. Woland
    Restricting immigration, both legal and illegal, implies that we are favoring whites which is true, but it also implies that we are favoring other ethnic groups based on who gets in. Seeing that there is an unlimited number of people from everywhere other than Europe and Japan who want to come here, there is a very real competition among the 'others' so we are favoring who ever else we lean in favor of.

    We have overdosed on Hispanics. Even if we kept immigration levels at where they are but put our thumb on the scale to help Indians (dots not feathers), or South East Asians, that would be completely unacceptable for the poor poor Latinos who are sitting 10 feet on the other side of the border looking to hop across. We should be playing these dirt bags against one another rather than using them to fortify the left. Building a fence / concertina wire / anti-tank ditch along the US-Mex border will help that hugely.

    My two cents is that we should require an environmental impact report every year regarding immigration. What could be more environmentally correct? Want more Somalis? I don't. Just make sure there is a detailed report showing how it impacts the rest of the country, our quality of life included, and we will be back on the road to having a sane and civil national conversation.
  151. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    Life is like Star Wars….

    Wow…..Forrest Duck checking in!

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  152. @Opinionator
    When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet

    What were you trying to educate yourself on specifically?

    I wanted to understand who the terrorists were and why they did what they did. It seemed comparable to Pearl Harbor.

    As I studied, lines of inquiry not directly related to 9/11 opened. I stressed my newfound spare time to emphasize how much effort went into this.

    I even spent two years after I retired 2012 immersed 24/7 as a co-blogger at the Canadian site BlazingCatFur.

    I found blogging too time consuming and even too depressing. But I continue to read, although I have long since understood that 9/11 was ultimately a product of Islam.

    I developed an interest in various offshoots of study, some ranging far from my original quest (including reading Steve’s blog).

    Oh yes and I discovered how badly the Left had deteriorated since I been an leftist based on family background (my father was a union organizer in Canada in the late 1930s). I also discovered that even in the 1930s the Left was not so great as I’d thought with their support of Stalin.

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  153. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    Is it weird to identify politically as a juggalo?

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    Damned if I know, but I'm down with the tribe, and I'm down for life, yo.
  154. @donnazuck (posted without comment):

    “pictures of my face on a lampshade ARE wrong and evil.”

    “I’ve been fielding anti-Semitic tweets for 24 hours now. Coping mechanisms are key”

    “this is why I have a “male tears” mug”

    “They feel subversive for using social media to share pics of my siblings’ faces on lamps”

    A few points:

    1. Making fun of sanctimonious people is fun. Jews have pushed this idea via popular culture for generations. She’s upset about whose ox is being gored; it’d be okay if it was Christ showered in piss (but not Annelies Frank).

    2. Lampshades made of Jewish skin were a Jewish calumny against Europeans. A blood libel against Europeans. There were no lampshades of skin. The evil there was Jewish-perpetrated. So Europeans get to make jokes, and Jews get to suck it up, and – if they want to be honest – acknowledge their calumny.

    3. Coping mechanisms are good. The trolls are toughening you up, princess. You didn’t choose a life of needlepoint, you chose a life in the public eye. Jews are famous for their chutzpah and brass, so a few tweets shouldn’t be a biggie. They’re also legendary for their complaining about Gentiles, so again, there’s a symbiosis. P.S., get some sleep, nobody should go at it for 24 hours straight for something as trivial as Twitter.

    4. It IS subversive using social media to share pics of your creepy shitheel robber baron (Big) brothers’ face on lampshades. You’re experiencing the less-than-total-hegemony of Jewish Privilege, which is (inter alia) the idea that Jews get to dish it (subversion, irreverence, iconoclasm, etc.) out, but they don’t have to take it.

    5. Maybe if Weimar-era Germans had Twitter to vent their feelings, the Jewish holocaust wouldn’t have happened.

    6. This is what freedom feels like. It’s the American Way. If it’s not to your taste, there’s always Europe, where they put people in jail for crimethink, and humor Jews don’t like.

    7. You’re a stinking filthy rich member of the plutocrat class. This is what “afflicting the comfortable” looks like.

    8. You have your own personal ethnic Reich to decamp to; we do not.

    9. You are being trolled, and yes, it’s funny. Not objectively funny, but nothing is.

    I can go on if you like, princess. Good luck with the pea.

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  155. Meanwhile in reality, Trump is the most pro-Israel president ever.

    Yeah but he was also the most opposed-by-Jews president ever. Probably because he’s the most wrong-kind-of-pro-Israel president ever. He’s even said stuff like “I love Israel, I’m gonna build a wall like theirs,” a strategy which this ANTI-SEMITE!!! has been recommending for years.

    Personally, I like the idea of boosting Israel (and White Zionism) at the expense of Diaspora Jewry.

    (To Syon):

    They don’t have a problem with self-hating types who kiss their asses.

    Jewish Supremacy: nobody thinks about Jews more than Jews do (Jews on the brain is great if you’re Jewish, but bad Bad BAD if you’re not); the 1/4 of his ancestry is EVERYTHING, the other 3/4 is shit not worthy of mention.

    I get confused by the anti-Semitism. When I started a massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet, I encountered many Jews. They spanned the entire political spectrum.

    Funny, starting a “massive self-education program after 9/11 via the Internet” is exactly how I became an ANTI-SEMITE!!! I haven’t noticed many counter-Jewish ethnopatriots of the Jewish persuasion, though. And I was into forums, too, not just articles.

    (The problem with people who are “confused about the anti-Semitism” is distinguishing the people who are genuinely confused and could use a primer, and the people who are rhetorically confused, and will remain so confused until the day they die, no matter how many primers they receive. In my experience, the latter far outnumber the former. The former tend to find a primer and stop being confused.)

    complaining bitterly about the number of Jewish lefties. He thinks they are essentially suicidal, since they’re been active in bringing Muslims to the West. On the whole, Muslims simply hate Jews. Greenfield can’t figure out why they can’t put 2 + 2 together.

    Jews are pretty invested in leftism, and leftism is heavily into (forcing society to) tolerate the intolerable. Personally, I hesitate to call people “suicidal” when they perceive their own interests differently than I do. Especially Jews, who show every indication of being the least ethnically suicidal white tribe on the planet, by far.

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

    I assume by “knee jerk anti-Semites,” you mean people who bear animus to all Jews, regardless of their positions. I’ve rarely encountered any such, outside places like Stormfront. At places like iSteve, I can’t think of the last time I encountered one. I’m some people’s idea of an arch-anti-Semite, and even I have a long list of Righteous Jews.

    From Princess Donna:

    I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies.

    I doubt she’ll give birth to even one mixed-race baby. Her agreement will very likely turn out to be of the “let’s you and him fight” variety: it’s great that you are having mixed-race babies, honey.

    You aren’t either overtly or subtly advocating for the displacement and extinction of White Gentiles. That’s why the Alt-Right isn’t sending death threats to you.

    Yeah but the knee jerk anti-Semites don’t care about that.

    Syronredux talks so much about WASP British pride that I often forget he is a Jew.

    Jewish Supremacy: the 1/4 of his ancestry is EVERYTHING, the other 3/4 is shit not worthy of mention.

    Because LOOK, you are being critical of a woman who takes a vividly monstrous DEATH THREAT personally.

    You wrote a comment coherent enough for me to read halfway through it; I guess this issue has focused your mind.

    No, her face on a lampshade isn’t a death threat. It’s dark humor and trolling. And she responds the way the trollers intend. It’s kind of like replying to an email spammer.

    K, you go on to sink back into incoherence; you seem to shift (in the next two sentences, mind) to suggesting that it’s her catnip. Her comments to the tune of “male tears cup” and “they think they’re subversive” do seem to suggest that she’s engaging in rhetorical combat, which puts her victim pose in a different light.

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  156. “Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don’t help.”

    Europeans get spooked by (Jewish-run) leftism because, well, communism, Palestinians, and Big Media fellow-traveling with communism and Zionism doesn’t help.

    Sounds like a case of irreconcilable differences.

    Adolf Hitler worship is very Homo and creepy if you ask me. The whole sieg heil White nationalist Stormfront 14 words movement gives off such a creepy Manson Family and Jim Jones Jonestown type cult vibe.

    Well, you do watch way too much TV. That shit rots your brain. Not defending Hitler-worship, just pointing out that your feelings have been manipulated from the cradle.

    Communism and leftism are what I find “creepy.” Especially the Stepford-Wives-like attitude Americans have toward them.

    but I can still be friends with Nonwhite people on an individual basis.

    So can I.

    “Spencer did not coin the term “alt-right.” Spencer named a web domain “alternative right,” which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.”

    Wrong. Gottfried says they “co-created” the term “alternative right,” IIRC.

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    While I actually agree the heavily-Jewish MSM has a large portion of the blame, Communism? Really? That stuff's dead. The modern left is basically capitalist with a large government on top to make sure all the groups, including weird ones like transgenders, get equal portions of the pie (which means white males get screwed because of their superior effort, etc.). They've basically made their peace with private industry, they just want to equidistribute every race and gender at equal portions throughout every level of it.
  157. @AndrewR
    He has a slightly effeminate affect but he is married with a child and there is no evidence that he's gay besides his demeanor and his lack of hostility towards all gays.

    OK. Fair enough. My apologies to Mr. Spencer if he is somehow reading this.

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  158. @Anon
    "Spencer’s not openly gay"

    He's not homo at all.

    He's married.

    Like Rock Hudson, Tony Perkins, and Elton John?

    Or, more recently, Tom Cruise and Eric Garcetti?

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  159. @Anonymous
    The "neo-Nazis" may be a "rump", but the anti-Semites aren't, and anti-Semitism is one of the primary aspects of the alt-right. And the anti-Semites aren't powerless judging by the speed and degree to which they've been able to resurrect and proliferate anti-Semitic ideas and memes to people who would have never heard of them otherwise.

    By anti-Semites, I assume that you mean Muslims.

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  160. @Jim Don Bob
    I see your Commodore 64, and raise you punched cards.

    I see your punched cards and raise you a very slow, balky, time sharing teletype terminal.

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    I see your very slow, balky, time sharing (TIME SHARING?!) teletype terminal and raise you an IBM 1620 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620
  161. @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to leave your echo chamber and read Charles Blow Angela Rye verysmartbrothas Leonard Pitts Sanaa Tahir and other People of Color to know what the majority thinks

    Let at who opposes you: blacks Jews women muslims asians latinos homosexuals

    Life is like Star Wars

    The left is the rebels. They are diverse full of love attractive and heroic

    The right is the empire. You are white makes exclusively hateful ugly and cowardly

    We know who will win in the end

    Your love of diversity, in your own words, ends where my pigmentation begins. OK self hating Snow Flake, I call your bluff. Now go sign up for night classes at your local high school and get that G.E.D.

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  162. @NOTA
    Think outliers vs averages here. Political movements in the US aren't generally violent, but there are outliers (really rare people on the outer edge of the distribution) who do get violent--notably pro-life terrorists killing abortionists and animal-rights terrorists vandalizing labs and terrorizing scientists.

    “Think outliers vs averages here. Political movements in the US aren’t generally violent, but there are outliers (really rare people on the outer edge of the distribution) who do get violent–notably pro-life terrorists killing abortionists and animal-rights terrorists vandalizing labs and terrorizing scientists.”

    100 percent of the violence in this presidential election has come from the political Left.

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  163. @Pat Casey
    Oh this is pretty damn funny actually. I always found you beyond the pale because I took your website 'about' and motto literally and thought your thing was doxxing feminists bloggers or some such. At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them---- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis--- and under that impression I assumed your blog was about being a zealous disciple of your guru and the whole business struck me as repugnant. I don't know, the phrase 'a woman's past matters' is provocative I suppose. I just never scrolled your blog at all. We can be friendlier now though if you don't actually worship the devil in that way. I am glad you don't do that, I assumed you must be an omega who despised women, and could only hope to help your PUA brethren in cyber battle, and I even thought to feel sorry for you, that you went out in search of whores because you couldn't enjoy them. It's pretty hilarious altogether, especially now that you're just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol. Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn't know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

    Ann Coulter relishes inviting her haters more than anyone who's not on talk radio I would say, she would get death threats if anyone in that line did I suppose, and I'm sure she does, though I can't find them on twitter, and I'm sure her email is not public, much less her address, so anyways its hard for me to see how she gets deluged with them. So how is that what you know? I suspect we think people like her get more death threats than they do because they get a lot of hate mail and maybe its one of those things with celebrities where they like to call all hate mail death threats because that's more special, and I suspect not a few of them don't receive any hate mail but will say they receive lots of death threats---you believe women lie like that don't you whorefinder?

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity? Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it--- but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that's for sure. So as I say I'm skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can't imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

    But all that is really beside the point, because, and note that no one has ever mistaken me for a philo-semite, because it's pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it "personally" when a bunch of "our guys" tell her we prefer you were a lampshade. Nor can I fathom why she should not act like such a woman---which is bro you want your women feminine or not? And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats. Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats. Are you saying she should laugh off the attacks you totally support because you just want to joke around with her? Or do you not totally support the attacks and if not then why are you concerned with her reaction?

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail. I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail that mean, because I wouldn't likely believe the death threat but I might wonder if the hate mail was more of a death threat, and that's the type of wonder that makes you wonder more. And the first thing she wondered was who is he who sent them? I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.

    Anyways I take it this was her first go around with any such attention, and actually I would have expected more of a reaction from her than I saw after reading that call to arms she penned, but then I don't know any norms of twitter.

    ” I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail”

    What if that death threat is followed by I know where you live and they post your home address, would you still not be disturbed?

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  164. @Lot
    Meanwhile in reality, Trump is the most pro-Israel president ever.

    Since 1948 the US has refused to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital – or even as part of Israel. This policy of nonrecognition – embodied by the US refusal to transfer the US Embassy to Jerusalem – has been maintained by a bipartisan consensus despite the fact that for the past 20 years, US law has required the State Department to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the embassy to Jerusalem.

    When Trump promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, his words were greeted with cynicism.
     
    Clinton and W both made and broke the same promise.

    But then this week his senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said Trump is serious about moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
     
    His ambassador is also saying it will happen. He's a settler activist focused on building as fast as possible housing in the occupied outskirts of Jerusalem, some of which has been demolished after court fights in Israel.

    In one fell swoop, the 68-year-old consensus is gone.
     
    The full article is overly long but advances the idea that the goal will be formal Israeli annexation with US support of nearly all of the West Bank outside of the Arab population centers. Or should I say Judea and Samaria.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/17/a_trumpian_israeli_initiative_132592.html

    Maybe the boys can get in on the settlement action. “Trumpkin Villages coming soon!” That new embassy better be nuke proof. Build the embassy in the valley of Gehenna and watch the evangelicals explain bible prophecy in new fantastic ways! Think of it, just a stone’s throw from the Dome of the Rock, the Great Satan builds a infidel Trumpian embassy Tower blaring Voice of America broadcasts drowning out the call for prayer. What could go wrong?

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  165. @Jefferson
    "He’s not homo at all.

    He’s married."

    So is Dr. Dre. But there still have been rumors for years that he is a Down Low Brotha.

    Oh no, not this ‘gaydar’ stuff.

    Yeah yeah, Hitler was homo, Trotsky was homo, Lincoln was homo, etc.

    There’s no end to this.

    Without smoking gun(or poking bun), I say NO.

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  166. The MSM and their masters think that they have us all corralled in the Alt-Right pen . Neo-Nazi’s , racists , Anti-Semites , etc. etc. Well , no doubt some of us are (me for sure) but most maybe not . The Alt -Right label and the PEPE meme were useful ( a little bit) for the election. But the election is over and now they think they have our number , the 8th Air Force is coming to carpet bomb us . They were totally unprepared before but now they think they have our number . Let the rear guard draw their fire . Our best bet is to constantly change labels and generate multiple meaningless memes . Even better join them in their outrage over the Alt-Right and “fake News” while we regroup . Their fatal weakness is their smug assurance in the righteousness of their cause and the arrogant conceit of their superior intelligence . But in truth they are lazy and stupid not really equipped to survive . How fortunate for us that that they have chosen to hunker down in “Fortress Brooklyn”.

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  167. @Lot
    My first few computers did not have a mouse, so keyboard shortcuts are second nature. Even with Windows 3.1 and 95, a lot of the software was DOS with no mouse support.

    I noticed people only a few years younger than me are not, and mostly do not even use ctrl-c and -v.

    I often find myself reverting to the Windows 2.0/3.0 commands: Ctrl-Ins (copy) and Shift-Ins (paste). (Don’t forget Ctrl-Del for cut.)

    Microsoft Word for DOS used Del for Cut and Ins for paste. Having a one-key command for paste makes a lot of sense. (You can customize the keyboard in almost any decent modern word processor.)

    One of the reasons why WordPerfect 5.1 was so popular (aside from the old WordPerfect Corporation’s exemplary customer support*) was that you could remap the entire keyboard. You could even reprogram the alphanumeric keys.

    Cttl-V and Ctrl-C were taken from the Mac, where the equivalent commands were issued with the Command key.

    Incidentally, in 1984, IBM PC keyboards had the Cttl key where the Caps Lock key is now. IBM switched to the modern layout around 1986. As late as 1990, some clones were still being sold with the earlier layout. (Some Apple keyboards had Cttl in the Caps Lock spot, as well.)

    The early Mac keyboards had no arrow keys. Word 1.0 for the Mac used such combinations as Cmd-Opt-semicolon for moving the cursor.

    *Unlimited free tech support for as long as you owned the product, and the best printer support of any DOS word processor. In the DOS days, each program had its own printer drivers. WordPerfect supported hundreds of obscure models.

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    The PC keyboard was much more advanced than any other microcomputer of its day. The Apple II and similar were outgrowths of surplus cheap terminal keyboards. The PC borrowed heavily from the Lisp Machine.
    , @Stan Adams
    Not that anyone cares, but the Windows 2.0/3.0 command for Cut is Shift-Del, not Ctrl-Del.

    The Windows 1.0 commands were F2 (Copy), Del (Cut), and Ins (Paste). As I said earlier, DOS Word used the same keys for Cut and Paste.

    Oddly, the first three versions of DOS Word did not have a keyboard shortcut for Copy, aside from Esc (Access Menu)-C (Copy).

    Another DOS Word 1.x-3.x oddity was that the menu at the bottom of the screen:
    http://toastytech.com/guis/word115default.png

    ...was accessed with the Esc key, but dismissed with the Alpha command. Pressing Esc while in the menu did nothing. (The menu could not be hidden.) Also, the program used Tab and Spacebar, not the arrow keys, for menu navigation and selection.

    (Some of these conventions live on in Windows, where Tab and Spacebar are used in dialog boxes.)

    Microsoft's DOS applications were extremely quirky and awkward. The company's early Windows apps benefited tremendously from Microsoft's experience in writing Mac apps.

    They also benefited from Microsoft's ownership of the operating system. Microsoft apps used undocumented calls to gain better performance and greater stability. (They were still buggy, but not as buggy as some of the crap other companies were dumping on the market.)

    Companies such as WordPerfect and Lotus that ported their best-selling DOS programs to Windows struggled to produce versions that didn't crash every five minutes.

    In late 1991, the brand-new WordPerfect 5.1 for Windows took 45 seconds to load on a 386/33 - hardly a slow machine at the time. (It was somewhat faster on a top-of-the-line 486.) Any small change involving a printer - such as changing the default paper size - could take upwards of ten minutes, during which the machine was frozen.

    Around the same time, Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows was so sluggish that one reviewer, who usually took 15 minutes to run through the features of a new program, gave up in frustration after it took him two hours to get halfway through his checklist.

    All Windows programs were slow in those days, but not that slow.
  168. @Jefferson
    "I remember there weren’t too many hardcore alt-right Twitter accounts past about 30,000 followers back before they started moving to Gab"

    30,000 is not even enough to get someone elected mayor of San Francisco, let alone president of The United States.

    That’s why I say there isn’t even such a thing as the “alt right’ – it’s something Hillary’s operatives made up & ran w because the KKK isn’t much of a thing any more

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  169. @Steve Sailer
    Are these two organizations with Paideia in their names the same organization? One is in America, one is in Sweden.

    Maybe it’s a franchise.
    You know, like al-Qaeda, or Islamic State In (Random Sandy Craphole).

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  170. @Lot

    Certainly more than there are Juggalos (I hope!)
     
    The juggalo fad is nearly dead. It was one of the many awful aspects of the W Era.

    I met some Juggalos when I was travelling thru Utah this summer on Greyhound. I was short on cash and 1 of them loaned me money to buy a drink a the gas station we stopped at.

    They were on their way to the big Juggalos gathering in Ohio.

    Nice people. I don’t understand their reputation unless you go out of your way to start drama w them

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  171. @whorefinder
    Noticing that Semites have been the forefront of Anti-White-Gentile movements these days is perfectly rational. Trying to name call it away won't work.

    Stop trying to hide the man behind the curtain, it only makes Jewish Leftism look far worse and will only incite anger. Can't you admit Jews in America have different group interests than white gentiles, and that Jewish advancement of certain causes is not based on universal ideals but Jewish-group interests?

    If you admitted that, we could respect you intellectually. But until you do, you're just trying to deny the sky is blue.

    Noticing that Semites have been the forefront of Anti-White-Gentile movements these days is perfectly rational. Trying to name call it away won’t work.

    Calling Ashkenazi Jews “Semites” always sounds silly to me.

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  172. @Hibernian
    I see your punched cards and raise you a very slow, balky, time sharing teletype terminal.

    I see your very slow, balky, time sharing (TIME SHARING?!) teletype terminal and raise you an IBM 1620 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620

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    OT: Birth of a Nation is at $15.8 million!

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thebirthofanation.htm
  173. @Jim Don Bob
    I see your very slow, balky, time sharing (TIME SHARING?!) teletype terminal and raise you an IBM 1620 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620

    OT: Birth of a Nation is at $15.8 million!

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thebirthofanation.htm

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  174. @Jefferson
    Nobody knows how many Alt-Right people there are in The United States, but my guess is they outnumber the KKK but they are still outnumbered by other non mainstream groups like Juggalos, The Flat Earther Society, and Scientologists for example. In other words there are not enough Alt-Right people to help Donald J. Trump win any states in a presidential election. The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Donald J. Trump are not part of the Alt-Right. 63 million people voted for Donald J. Trump and there are nowhere near 63 million Alt-Right people in The U.S.

    The mainstream media is using the term Alt-Right way too loosely to describe anybody who believes protecting the 1st amendment trumps protecting political correctness and racial diversity.

    other non mainstream groups like …The Flat Earther Society

    What, are you some sort of Sphere-Cuck?

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  175. @Jefferson
    The new Star Wars movie Rogue One has a Blade Runner feel to it in terms of having a lot of Asians.

    Of course the villains are all White guys.

    Indeed, but the villains in Star Wars were always all White guys. Originally, so were the heroes.

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    They were supposed to be the Nazis. The Imperial flag even looks like the Nazi flag. Where do you think they got 'Stormtroopers' from?
  176. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    do not even use ctrl-c and -v

     

    More would if it was ctrl-c and -p

    I started using computers in 1976 with the HP 3000, via a dumb terminal. I started my CS degree in 1980 using an early Unix on a PDP and had to learn the vi editor. It was a steep learning curve indeed.

    By comparison the DOS key combinations are trivial.

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  177. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Stan Adams
    I often find myself reverting to the Windows 2.0/3.0 commands: Ctrl-Ins (copy) and Shift-Ins (paste). (Don't forget Ctrl-Del for cut.)

    Microsoft Word for DOS used Del for Cut and Ins for paste. Having a one-key command for paste makes a lot of sense. (You can customize the keyboard in almost any decent modern word processor.)

    One of the reasons why WordPerfect 5.1 was so popular (aside from the old WordPerfect Corporation's exemplary customer support*) was that you could remap the entire keyboard. You could even reprogram the alphanumeric keys.

    Cttl-V and Ctrl-C were taken from the Mac, where the equivalent commands were issued with the Command key.

    Incidentally, in 1984, IBM PC keyboards had the Cttl key where the Caps Lock key is now. IBM switched to the modern layout around 1986. As late as 1990, some clones were still being sold with the earlier layout. (Some Apple keyboards had Cttl in the Caps Lock spot, as well.)

    The early Mac keyboards had no arrow keys. Word 1.0 for the Mac used such combinations as Cmd-Opt-semicolon for moving the cursor.

    *Unlimited free tech support for as long as you owned the product, and the best printer support of any DOS word processor. In the DOS days, each program had its own printer drivers. WordPerfect supported hundreds of obscure models.

    The PC keyboard was much more advanced than any other microcomputer of its day. The Apple II and similar were outgrowths of surplus cheap terminal keyboards. The PC borrowed heavily from the Lisp Machine.

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  178. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Hare Krishna
    There are Juggalos in California. Just not in the Bay Area. Probably not in L.A. either. They're in the San Joaquin Valley.

    The preferred term is now Juggalx

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  179. @a Newsreader
    Indeed, but the villains in Star Wars were always all White guys. Originally, so were the heroes.

    They were supposed to be the Nazis. The Imperial flag even looks like the Nazi flag. Where do you think they got ‘Stormtroopers’ from?

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  180. @Svigor

    “Jews get spooked by white identity politics because, well, Hitler, and hundreds of oven memes sent at every Jewish reporter who mocks them don’t help.”
     
    Europeans get spooked by (Jewish-run) leftism because, well, communism, Palestinians, and Big Media fellow-traveling with communism and Zionism doesn't help.

    Sounds like a case of irreconcilable differences.


    Adolf Hitler worship is very Homo and creepy if you ask me. The whole sieg heil White nationalist Stormfront 14 words movement gives off such a creepy Manson Family and Jim Jones Jonestown type cult vibe.
     
    Well, you do watch way too much TV. That shit rots your brain. Not defending Hitler-worship, just pointing out that your feelings have been manipulated from the cradle.

    Communism and leftism are what I find "creepy." Especially the Stepford-Wives-like attitude Americans have toward them.


    but I can still be friends with Nonwhite people on an individual basis.
     
    So can I.

    “Spencer did not coin the term “alt-right.” Spencer named a web domain “alternative right,” which was a term introduced to the public about six months earlier by Paul Gottfried.”
     
    Wrong. Gottfried says they "co-created" the term "alternative right," IIRC.

    While I actually agree the heavily-Jewish MSM has a large portion of the blame, Communism? Really? That stuff’s dead. The modern left is basically capitalist with a large government on top to make sure all the groups, including weird ones like transgenders, get equal portions of the pie (which means white males get screwed because of their superior effort, etc.). They’ve basically made their peace with private industry, they just want to equidistribute every race and gender at equal portions throughout every level of it.

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  181. @cucksworth
    Is it weird to identify politically as a juggalo?

    Damned if I know, but I’m down with the tribe, and I’m down for life, yo.

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  182. @Lyov Myshkin
    @ Lot

    "It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types."


    Spencer is not a fringe 'neo-Nazi'. If he is, then so is Sailer. Stop throwing around epithets designed by the SPLC.

    Also, Bannon didn't use it in the 'normal way'. That's absurd. Breitbart basically serves up Neoconservatism/libertarianism. It isn't alternative in any way. The Alt-Right is a White identity movement. Nothing else.

    Eh…no. Spencer isn’t a Nazi per se. He does represent the core alt-right. There are people like Anglin who are even more extreme.

    I wouldn’t really say Breitbart is neocon (though they do support Israel quite strongly) or libertarian. They’ve covered European nationalist movements quite positively, at least the milder ones like UKIP, FN, and AfD. They’ve covered crime by illegal immigrants and Muslims quite extensively.
    It’s more a sort of kosher alt-lite; they support white interests as long as it doesn’t mean directly attacking Jewish ones. And they’ll often go after Jewish liberals, they just don’t call them out for being Jewish. (Except for the one time Dave Horowitz went after Bill Kristol, and the MSM hung that around their necks for weeks.)

    On the one hand, I guess it’s not a pure white identity movement. On the other hand, they won.

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  183. @Lyov Myshkin

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

     

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it's literally one in a million -- Jews that support White identity -- although I'm sure you'd find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

    I can’t speak for those I haven’t read in the short time since Trump was elected.

    But at FrontPage (run by Jew David Horowitz) all the writers (including the Jew Daniel Greenfield that I mentioned) seem to see themselves as white too.

    They agree with all the points that made Trump a winner (largely a cutback on immigration, including a separation fence) and a distinct distaste for Islam. They do support Israel, but I cannot see a contradiction as they support reduced immigration to the U.S.

    They don’t see themselves as a Jewish site and many non-Jews write there also.

    You could check it out yourself.

    They are likely not far from a site like Breitbart.

    BlazingCatFur supports both Israel and an end to mass immigration to Canada (the man who runs the site is not Jewish).

    There are many site in this category.

    As to what fraction of Jews would identify with editorial line at FrontPage, I can’t say.

    Another point: many of the Jews who support mass immigration to the US are not particularly interested in Israel, or are outright anti-Israel.

    Statistics on these points would be useful, but I can’t see any polling organization taking up the task.

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    I can’t speak for those I haven’t read in the short time since Trump was elected.

    But at FrontPage (run by Jew David Horowitz) all the writers (including the Jew Daniel Greenfield that I mentioned) seem to see themselves as white too.
     

    But that's part of the problem. In so doing, whether or not it's sincere, they deny us our own identity. The acid test is whether they accept our undeniable right to exclude them from anything and everything of ours. And that is the one-in-a-million thing that Lyov Myshkin is talking about. One-in-a-million may be an exaggeration, but the number of Jews who accept white rights is minuscule. But, in any event, we are wrong to focus on the beliefs of specific Jews who operate outside he framework of the organized Jewish community.

    As to what fraction of Jews would identify with editorial line at FrontPage, I can’t say.

    Another point: many of the Jews who support mass immigration to the US are not particularly interested in Israel, or are outright anti-Israel.

    Statistics on these points would be useful, but I can’t see any polling organization taking up the task.
     

    Actually, they wouldn't be useful. What matters is what organized Jewry does. And organized Jewry, or an organizing force within organized Jewry, remains the sole significant force behind anti-whitism.
  184. @Lyov Myshkin
    In my mind if that's what the fight boiled down to -- it doesn't, FWIW -- then I wouldn't laugh, I'd cry.

    Two groups of minorities skilled at crypsis with historical grudges against the majority?

    Sad!

    I don’t think it does either, it’s just a funny thought.

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  185. @Lyov Myshkin

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

     

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it's literally one in a million -- Jews that support White identity -- although I'm sure you'd find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

    More than one in a million. Romney got 30% of the Jewish vote and Trump 20%, so you might go as far as two in three, though I suspect a lot of those were vaguely right-leaning guys who couldn’t stomach Hillary, or didn’t think Trump would really go after the Jews. A lot of the right-wing intelligentsia didn’t like Trump, and a lot of those were Jewish. If I had to guess I’d say ‘right-wing Jews’ are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.

    The Breitbart crowd actually practices a sort of soft white identity politics. They’ll report on crimes by illegal immigrants and Muslims, though of course those aren’t races per se. When you get to real white identity politics the Hitler stuff scares a lot of people off, Jewish and otherwise.

    One of the things I’ve realized over the years is that the mushy middle is actually a pretty vital place politically even if it’s flabby intellectually. Soft-pedaling racial appeals gives you just enough deniability to moderate whites to get elected to major offices. If whites are afraid of black crime, you can promise to crack down on crime and put lots of black people in jail, and well, theoretically black people who aren’t criminals have nothing to worry about.

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    More than one in a million. Romney got 30% of the Jewish vote and Trump 20%
     
    Wait, did I miss something or did either of those candidates run pro-White campaigns? Also, the ludicrous thing about your point is both of those candidates were explicitly and almost shamefully pro-Jewish in their stances and you cite this as evidence that the good Jews are on our side? Don't make me laugh.

    If I had to guess I’d say ‘right-wing Jews’ are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.
     
    I agree. They're utter hypocrites.

    The Breitbart crowd actually practices a sort of soft white identity politics.
     
    Soft White -- they don't actually --- and hard Jewish. Who, Whom?

    Soft-pedaling racial appeals gives you just enough deniability to moderate whites to get elected to major offices.
     
    Would only matter if the people doing the soft-peddling thought like Kevin MacDonald. Not much good for me if the people doing the selling actually think like Netanyahu, is there?
  186. @Lyov Myshkin

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

     

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it's literally one in a million -- Jews that support White identity -- although I'm sure you'd find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    Trudeau Sr. was part French and part Scottish. I have it heard it said that the 100% French Canadians didn’t accept him due to this mixed background. Thus he wanted a whole bunch of other ethnicities to dilute the French and English-speakers.

    I have no idea if this true or not, but the man certainly wasn’t Jewish or even particularly interested in them. The francophone/Anglophone debate was the big story in Canada.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can’t figure out. I’ve encountered many of them. They don’t seem to even have an opinion on Israel or Jews.

    There are fewer Jews per capita in Canada than the US. They are particularly thin on the ground in western Canada. Yet there are leftist idiots galore out here. You can take that to the bank.

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    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism.
     
    That's facile and internally inconsistent.

    Your second paragraph, which you seem to believe contradicts the first, is entirely consistent with it. And the "driving force behind multiculturalism" in Canada was not Trudeau but the force that caused Trudeau to push multiculturalism.
    , @ben tillman

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can’t figure out.
     
    They are manipulated through indoctrination, incentivization, and intimidation.
    , @dfordoom

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.
     
    It's the same in Australia. It was a WASP supposedly conservative prime minister, Malcolm Fraser, who unleashed multiculturalism upon us in the late 70s. Jews are a tiny minority here. Jewish groups do agitate in favour of multiculturalism and mass immigration but there are so few of them their influence is pretty marginal. Mostly they're so insignificant that nobody notices them.

    In Australia it's whites who have pursued national suicide. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.
  187. @Lot
    Alt-Right turns out to have been a disaster of a coinage. It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types. So the press, in article after article, does a friendly profile of Spencer, and then runs the same Bannon quote about Breitbart being a platform for the alt-right, when Bannon of course used the word in the normal way.

    I hate to break the news to you, but while Spencer didn’t actually coin the term Alternative Right, he and Colin Lidell started the website Alternative Right in 2010. Bannon is not alt-right. Your so-called “fringe neo-Nazi types” are the Alt-Right and always have been.
    Noone that isn’t a White Nationalist and sound on the JQ can really consider themselves Alt-Right. This is not some rule I made up. It’s generally accepted.

    Other people who are not Alt-Right (call them Alt-Lite if anything):

    Milo Yiannopolous
    Paul Joseph Watson
    Alex Jones
    Stefan Molyneux
    Mike Cernovich

    Leaners but soft on JQ:

    John Derbyshire
    Jared Taylor
    Peter Brimelow

    Alt-Right:

    Richard Spencer
    Greg Johnson
    Mike Enoch
    Jazzhands McFeels
    Mike Halberstram
    Andy Nowicki
    Colin Lidell
    Kevin MacDonald (pretty sure)

    What makes me an authority. Nothing. But check for yourself.

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    Here’s a list of 7 core Alt-Right beliefs. Let’s see how I do:

    1.) People are different. Human inequality is a fact of life and belief systems that deny this lead to distortion and oppression. Both individuals and populations vary in their characteristics in meaningful ways, such as intelligence and social behavior. One size does not fit all, not comfortably at least.
     
    Yep

    2.) Our world is tribal.
     
    Yep

    3.) Our tribe is being suppressed. The new left doctrine of racial struggle in favor of non-whites only, a product of decolonization and the defeat of nationalists by egalitarians after WWII, must be repudiated and Whites must be allowed to take their own side in their affairs. A value system that says Whites are not allowed to have collective interests and literally every other identity group can do so and ought to do so is unacceptable.

     

    Yep

    4.) Men are not women and women are not men.

     

    Yep

    5.) Freedom is a responsibility and not a right.
     
    Yep

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.
     
    Yep

    The final alt-right sh[**]-test is whether or not someone agrees with the reality that Jewish elites are opposed to our entire program.
     
    Yep

    Guess this means that I’m Alt-Right

    alt-right-the-rising-tide-of-ideological-autism-against-big-tent-supremacy/ >https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/the-fight-for-the-alt-right-the-rising-tide-of-ideological-autism-against-big-tent-supremacy/
    , @Lot
    The fact people feel the need to debate the meaning of a term is a good way to know it is useless for communication.
  188. @NOTA
    I wonder if there is any data on this. I know Megan McArdle has written in her blog about the fairly frequent crazy death and rape threats she gets. I don't think she's at all unique. My impression is that prominent online figures tend to get a certain level of this, women usually more than men.

    This is the downside of the relative anonymity of the Internet--some people use the added freedom of anonymity to have worthwhile discussions that would get them hassled by HR if they used their true names, but there are plenty of idiots who can think of nothing more creative to do with it than send death threats to a stranger.

    there’s also the issue of what constitutes a “death threat.” Hysterical Lefties will claim that if someone says “you’re a cancer on humanity” or “I hope you get AIDS”, it’s a death threat; they constantly stretch the definition. Look how Patty Cuck is so delusional that he thinks that I’m making death threats and doxxing women, simply because I’m refusing to believe she’s receiving credible death threats.

    And that’s before you can even consider whether the threat is credible.

    You can always tell when a Lefty is lying about their supposed “death threats” because, when challenged, they won’t release the email/posting/tweet that supposedly threatened them with death, fully and in context. They want to be able to make accusations of “death threats” and not be challenged on it. When this happens, assume they’re lying and don’t believe them.

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  189. @Stan Adams
    I often find myself reverting to the Windows 2.0/3.0 commands: Ctrl-Ins (copy) and Shift-Ins (paste). (Don't forget Ctrl-Del for cut.)

    Microsoft Word for DOS used Del for Cut and Ins for paste. Having a one-key command for paste makes a lot of sense. (You can customize the keyboard in almost any decent modern word processor.)

    One of the reasons why WordPerfect 5.1 was so popular (aside from the old WordPerfect Corporation's exemplary customer support*) was that you could remap the entire keyboard. You could even reprogram the alphanumeric keys.

    Cttl-V and Ctrl-C were taken from the Mac, where the equivalent commands were issued with the Command key.

    Incidentally, in 1984, IBM PC keyboards had the Cttl key where the Caps Lock key is now. IBM switched to the modern layout around 1986. As late as 1990, some clones were still being sold with the earlier layout. (Some Apple keyboards had Cttl in the Caps Lock spot, as well.)

    The early Mac keyboards had no arrow keys. Word 1.0 for the Mac used such combinations as Cmd-Opt-semicolon for moving the cursor.

    *Unlimited free tech support for as long as you owned the product, and the best printer support of any DOS word processor. In the DOS days, each program had its own printer drivers. WordPerfect supported hundreds of obscure models.

    Not that anyone cares, but the Windows 2.0/3.0 command for Cut is Shift-Del, not Ctrl-Del.

    The Windows 1.0 commands were F2 (Copy), Del (Cut), and Ins (Paste). As I said earlier, DOS Word used the same keys for Cut and Paste.

    Oddly, the first three versions of DOS Word did not have a keyboard shortcut for Copy, aside from Esc (Access Menu)-C (Copy).

    Another DOS Word 1.x-3.x oddity was that the menu at the bottom of the screen:

    http://toastytech.com/guis/word115default.png

    …was accessed with the Esc key, but dismissed with the Alpha command. Pressing Esc while in the menu did nothing. (The menu could not be hidden.) Also, the program used Tab and Spacebar, not the arrow keys, for menu navigation and selection.

    (Some of these conventions live on in Windows, where Tab and Spacebar are used in dialog boxes.)

    Microsoft’s DOS applications were extremely quirky and awkward. The company’s early Windows apps benefited tremendously from Microsoft’s experience in writing Mac apps.

    They also benefited from Microsoft’s ownership of the operating system. Microsoft apps used undocumented calls to gain better performance and greater stability. (They were still buggy, but not as buggy as some of the crap other companies were dumping on the market.)

    Companies such as WordPerfect and Lotus that ported their best-selling DOS programs to Windows struggled to produce versions that didn’t crash every five minutes.

    In late 1991, the brand-new WordPerfect 5.1 for Windows took 45 seconds to load on a 386/33 – hardly a slow machine at the time. (It was somewhat faster on a top-of-the-line 486.) Any small change involving a printer – such as changing the default paper size – could take upwards of ten minutes, during which the machine was frozen.

    Around the same time, Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows was so sluggish that one reviewer, who usually took 15 minutes to run through the features of a new program, gave up in frustration after it took him two hours to get halfway through his checklist.

    All Windows programs were slow in those days, but not that slow.

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    Just how lousy Windows 3.11 and previous versions were has to be remembered. The old Macintosh, with its lack of true multitasking and primitive networking, was actually far more reliable and if you were using the machine for any real work was worth the (not inconsiderable) difference in price. The third party options had serious flaws, too: the Amiga was physically a piece of junk and its video resolution stunk except in the highest end mode: the Atari ST/Falcon had few apps for anything but gaming, and the Acorn RISC which was never seriously marketed in the US had little in the way of productivity apps either. (It did have the superb Sibelius music scoring system, but there is not all that big a market for music scoring.)

    The alternative to any of the above was a workstation. A workstation was a microcomputer that thought it was a minicomputer and brought a minicomputer price, and usually ran Unix. There were no shrink wrapped commercial applications for regular office and business tasks on workstations for several years, and when they were introduced the price was always a lot higher than for the same program on a 'mainstream' platform.

    What changed the game? Two things, NeXT and Linux.

    NeXT, Steve Jobs' startup after getting fired from Apple, showed that you could have the power of a real multitasking multiuser environment and an interface the non-Unix-guru could use effectively and without a steep learning curve. Few people bought them because they were overpriced and underpowered and not marketed to home and small business users, but they showed what could be done.

    Linux didn't do anything commercial Unix machines didn't, but it was free. And it was drastically more reliable than early versions of Windows, even if it was not especially user friendly. That made it a potential threat.

    Microsoft was scared, and they spent the money to make a system that worked and wasn't especially ugly. Windows 95, 98 and 98SE were distinct improvements on the DOS based Windows, and NT4, 2000 and XP finally did away with the DOS underlayer (there is still a command prompt, that uses DOS commands: it isn't an inner layer but a outer shell) and developed into a reliable environment.

    This would never have happened had Microsoft not believed it necessary to cut these interlopers off at the pass.

    Meanwhile, Apple bought NeXT and got Steve Jobs back. It meant the end of NeXT, but much of NeXT became apparent in the new Mac OS X (though not all of it: Mac OS X is a dumbed down version). The Classic Mac OS was simply inadequate in the world of the Internet.
  190. @Pat Casey
    Oh this is pretty damn funny actually. I always found you beyond the pale because I took your website 'about' and motto literally and thought your thing was doxxing feminists bloggers or some such. At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them---- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis--- and under that impression I assumed your blog was about being a zealous disciple of your guru and the whole business struck me as repugnant. I don't know, the phrase 'a woman's past matters' is provocative I suppose. I just never scrolled your blog at all. We can be friendlier now though if you don't actually worship the devil in that way. I am glad you don't do that, I assumed you must be an omega who despised women, and could only hope to help your PUA brethren in cyber battle, and I even thought to feel sorry for you, that you went out in search of whores because you couldn't enjoy them. It's pretty hilarious altogether, especially now that you're just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol. Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn't know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

    Ann Coulter relishes inviting her haters more than anyone who's not on talk radio I would say, she would get death threats if anyone in that line did I suppose, and I'm sure she does, though I can't find them on twitter, and I'm sure her email is not public, much less her address, so anyways its hard for me to see how she gets deluged with them. So how is that what you know? I suspect we think people like her get more death threats than they do because they get a lot of hate mail and maybe its one of those things with celebrities where they like to call all hate mail death threats because that's more special, and I suspect not a few of them don't receive any hate mail but will say they receive lots of death threats---you believe women lie like that don't you whorefinder?

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity? Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it--- but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that's for sure. So as I say I'm skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can't imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

    But all that is really beside the point, because, and note that no one has ever mistaken me for a philo-semite, because it's pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it "personally" when a bunch of "our guys" tell her we prefer you were a lampshade. Nor can I fathom why she should not act like such a woman---which is bro you want your women feminine or not? And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats. Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats. Are you saying she should laugh off the attacks you totally support because you just want to joke around with her? Or do you not totally support the attacks and if not then why are you concerned with her reaction?

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail. I think a straight death threat would bother me less than hate mail that mean, because I wouldn't likely believe the death threat but I might wonder if the hate mail was more of a death threat, and that's the type of wonder that makes you wonder more. And the first thing she wondered was who is he who sent them? I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.

    Anyways I take it this was her first go around with any such attention, and actually I would have expected more of a reaction from her than I saw after reading that call to arms she penned, but then I don't know any norms of twitter.

    Oh boy, Patty Cuck is trying to cover up not taking his meds last night by vomiting up a bunch of nonsense :

    At one point, or maybe still now and then, that was going on between Roissy or one of those guys and some feminist blogger or several of them—- actually Roissy seems to viciously attack average people he somehow comes across online on a regular basis— .

    What does this word salad even mean? I guess Patty Cuck is upset that Roissy (actually Heartiste) gets into online insult battles with other people who are online–and Heartiste is winning. Patty C. thus is upset that someone on the alt-right is winning.

    especially now that you’re just a regular guy who calls yourself whorefinder lol.

    Everything about me is spectacular, Patty C.

    Oh man shall I now tell you the time Roissy thought I didn’t know who he was when he started his performance and tried to shuck me?

    Of course that happened, Patty C. Of course it did.

    there there.

    *pat pat*

    But if EVERYONE with a national profile does get real death threats eventually I would like to know what we know about the folks who tell the least of them they are going to be killed by yours truly, who are these people and how much fun are they having or how insane are they or how much fun is their insanity?

    I spent five whole minutes trying to parse that mishmash of nonsense. I think because Patty C. missed his prescription last night, he doubled up this morning and this is what happens.

    Come to think, my father used to be one of the lessers, he was on the evening news a lot and sometimes nightly for a few years when he was executive director of the ACU during the Reagan administration, and trust me when I say there is not a soul on TV today meaner than my father when he is telling you how stupid you are, for I have got the scars to prove it— but he never got a single death threat, even though its never been uglier than it was during the Bork confirmation that’s for sure. So as I say I’m skeptical, and there appears to be a conspicuous absence of data on such a stark social phenomenon. I do suspect there is not a little bit of humble bragging going on when women start talking about how much hate mail and death threats they get, tell you the truth I can’t imagine otherwise, and for all of your PUA knowledge of these being, you might be gettin beta fooled bro.

    Your father did not have Facebook, Twitter, email, and his own personal website. One of the blessings of Twitter has been how it momentarily pops the bubbles of Leftist celebrities by people trolling them, and then setting them off. But they also receive a ton more threats/threatening insults to them because they are more connected.

    Don’t be obtuse.

    it’s pretty self-righteous to expect a jew moreover a jewish woman that she not take it “personally” when a bunch of “our guys” tell her we prefer you were a lampshade.

    The Left has only itself to blame for pushing Holocaust Worship/Evil Nazis down everyone’s throat for 70+ years now. Like the term “rape”, the Left has so wildly overused the Nazi trope it’s now a joke, especially since there are no Nazis around. This is the natural, over-the-top, clearly-not-serious reaction to it. And she was never in the Holocaust, her claiming any “personal” insult is laughable. Unless you were an actual Holocaust victim, a Holocaust joke isn’t serious, you’re just overreacting, trying to invoke some Jewish privilege, so wusses like Patty C. white knight for you.

    And this was not like the celebrity who complains about the attention idiot, this was like the celebrity who complains about the death threats.

    This is like a celebrity complaining somebody was mean to them online. Because that’s all it is. Relax, white knight.

    Like I said, you are being critical of a woman for complaining about a deluge of death threats.

    LMAO. Not death threats, she’s overreacting to her fame bringing people don’t like her, like a wuss. If a woman wants to be fame, she doesn’t get to make everyone like her.

    Not death threats, white knight.

    Now lets say your right which probably you are and call it hate mail

    .

    So Patty Cuck goes through an entire white knight rage spiral defending this anti-gentile’s hysteria, and then admits, “Yeah, dude, you’re prolly right.”

    Man, you are slow, boy.

    I suspect she was wondering was he a Nazi.

    lmao. It’s always 1939. Nazis, Nazis everywhere!

    Go back to your meds, Patty Cuck.

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  191. @Dr. Krieger
    I hate to break the news to you, but while Spencer didn't actually coin the term Alternative Right, he and Colin Lidell started the website Alternative Right in 2010. Bannon is not alt-right. Your so-called "fringe neo-Nazi types" are the Alt-Right and always have been.
    Noone that isn't a White Nationalist and sound on the JQ can really consider themselves Alt-Right. This is not some rule I made up. It's generally accepted.

    Other people who are not Alt-Right (call them Alt-Lite if anything):

    Milo Yiannopolous
    Paul Joseph Watson
    Alex Jones
    Stefan Molyneux
    Mike Cernovich

    Leaners but soft on JQ:

    John Derbyshire
    Jared Taylor
    Peter Brimelow

    Alt-Right:

    Richard Spencer
    Greg Johnson
    Mike Enoch
    Jazzhands McFeels
    Mike Halberstram
    Andy Nowicki
    Colin Lidell
    Kevin MacDonald (pretty sure)

    What makes me an authority. Nothing. But check for yourself.

    Here’s a list of 7 core Alt-Right beliefs. Let’s see how I do:

    1.) People are different. Human inequality is a fact of life and belief systems that deny this lead to distortion and oppression. Both individuals and populations vary in their characteristics in meaningful ways, such as intelligence and social behavior. One size does not fit all, not comfortably at least.

    Yep

    2.) Our world is tribal.

    Yep

    3.) Our tribe is being suppressed. The new left doctrine of racial struggle in favor of non-whites only, a product of decolonization and the defeat of nationalists by egalitarians after WWII, must be repudiated and Whites must be allowed to take their own side in their affairs. A value system that says Whites are not allowed to have collective interests and literally every other identity group can do so and ought to do so is unacceptable.

    Yep

    4.) Men are not women and women are not men.

    Yep

    5.) Freedom is a responsibility and not a right.

    Yep

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.

    Yep

    The final alt-right sh[**]-test is whether or not someone agrees with the reality that Jewish elites are opposed to our entire program.

    Yep

    Guess this means that I’m Alt-Right

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    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I'm not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.
     
    That's bizarre and it's the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.
  192. @Lyov Myshkin
    @ Lot

    "It was first used as a rough equivalent of paleoconservative, but in the six months it was appropriated, with heavy MSM support, by Spencer and other fringe neo-Nazi types."


    Spencer is not a fringe 'neo-Nazi'. If he is, then so is Sailer. Stop throwing around epithets designed by the SPLC.

    Also, Bannon didn't use it in the 'normal way'. That's absurd. Breitbart basically serves up Neoconservatism/libertarianism. It isn't alternative in any way. The Alt-Right is a White identity movement. Nothing else.

    Restricting immigration, both legal and illegal, implies that we are favoring whites which is true, but it also implies that we are favoring other ethnic groups based on who gets in. Seeing that there is an unlimited number of people from everywhere other than Europe and Japan who want to come here, there is a very real competition among the ‘others’ so we are favoring who ever else we lean in favor of.

    We have overdosed on Hispanics. Even if we kept immigration levels at where they are but put our thumb on the scale to help Indians (dots not feathers), or South East Asians, that would be completely unacceptable for the poor poor Latinos who are sitting 10 feet on the other side of the border looking to hop across. We should be playing these dirt bags against one another rather than using them to fortify the left. Building a fence / concertina wire / anti-tank ditch along the US-Mex border will help that hugely.

    My two cents is that we should require an environmental impact report every year regarding immigration. What could be more environmentally correct? Want more Somalis? I don’t. Just make sure there is a detailed report showing how it impacts the rest of the country, our quality of life included, and we will be back on the road to having a sane and civil national conversation.

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  193. @Jim Don Bob
    I see your Commodore 64, and raise you punched cards.

    Berkeley Unix on a PDP-11.

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    Altos 8600 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altos_Computer_Systems#ACS_8600) running Xenix.
  194. @Frau Katze
    I can't speak for those I haven't read in the short time since Trump was elected.

    But at FrontPage (run by Jew David Horowitz) all the writers (including the Jew Daniel Greenfield that I mentioned) seem to see themselves as white too.

    They agree with all the points that made Trump a winner (largely a cutback on immigration, including a separation fence) and a distinct distaste for Islam. They do support Israel, but I cannot see a contradiction as they support reduced immigration to the U.S.

    They don't see themselves as a Jewish site and many non-Jews write there also.

    You could check it out yourself.

    They are likely not far from a site like Breitbart.

    BlazingCatFur supports both Israel and an end to mass immigration to Canada (the man who runs the site is not Jewish).

    There are many site in this category.

    As to what fraction of Jews would identify with editorial line at FrontPage, I can't say.

    Another point: many of the Jews who support mass immigration to the US are not particularly interested in Israel, or are outright anti-Israel.

    Statistics on these points would be useful, but I can't see any polling organization taking up the task.

    I can’t speak for those I haven’t read in the short time since Trump was elected.

    But at FrontPage (run by Jew David Horowitz) all the writers (including the Jew Daniel Greenfield that I mentioned) seem to see themselves as white too.

    But that’s part of the problem. In so doing, whether or not it’s sincere, they deny us our own identity. The acid test is whether they accept our undeniable right to exclude them from anything and everything of ours. And that is the one-in-a-million thing that Lyov Myshkin is talking about. One-in-a-million may be an exaggeration, but the number of Jews who accept white rights is minuscule. But, in any event, we are wrong to focus on the beliefs of specific Jews who operate outside he framework of the organized Jewish community.

    As to what fraction of Jews would identify with editorial line at FrontPage, I can’t say.

    Another point: many of the Jews who support mass immigration to the US are not particularly interested in Israel, or are outright anti-Israel.

    Statistics on these points would be useful, but I can’t see any polling organization taking up the task.

    Actually, they wouldn’t be useful. What matters is what organized Jewry does. And organized Jewry, or an organizing force within organized Jewry, remains the sole significant force behind anti-whitism.

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  195. @Frau Katze
    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    Trudeau Sr. was part French and part Scottish. I have it heard it said that the 100% French Canadians didn't accept him due to this mixed background. Thus he wanted a whole bunch of other ethnicities to dilute the French and English-speakers.

    I have no idea if this true or not, but the man certainly wasn't Jewish or even particularly interested in them. The francophone/Anglophone debate was the big story in Canada.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can't figure out. I've encountered many of them. They don't seem to even have an opinion on Israel or Jews.

    There are fewer Jews per capita in Canada than the US. They are particularly thin on the ground in western Canada. Yet there are leftist idiots galore out here. You can take that to the bank.

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism.

    That’s facile and internally inconsistent.

    Your second paragraph, which you seem to believe contradicts the first, is entirely consistent with it. And the “driving force behind multiculturalism” in Canada was not Trudeau but the force that caused Trudeau to push multiculturalism.

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    That is true. Trudeau picked up on the zeitgeist, he didn't operate in a vacuum.

    As to where the zeitgeist came from, that is a huge question, beyond the scope of blog comments.

    The whole multicultural thing has become frankly depressing to me. To research it's exact origin would be a large project. I choose not to spend my time on it.

    You believe that Jews were involved to the extent that without them, it would never have happened?

    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one's society and culture).

    I have read quite a bit on the world wars and cannot escape noticing how things changed after WW I.

    But we're getting past what can be discussed in blog comments.
  196. @Lyov Myshkin

    Since a group of right wing Jews has influenced my waking up to how bad the Left is, I can’t understand why the knee jerk anti-Semites can’t take a more nuanced view.

     

    I take your point and I wanted to ask you, in relation to that point, how many of those right-wing Jews are actually pro-White? Or, at the very least, how many of them would support the idea of the historical populations of the West maintaining their ethnic dominance? How many of them would denounce White people practicing the same ethnocentrism and identity politics that the Jews themselves aggressively pursue?

    In my experience it's literally one in a million -- Jews that support White identity -- although I'm sure you'd find at least a plurality of the anti-semitic set that has no problem with and in fact supports Israel as a Jewish ethno-state.

    Which is more nuanced?

    The term “white people” is perhaps where we differ. Most Ashkenazi Jews do look white, and if a Jew wants to call him/herself “white,” that’s fine with me.

    Now if I had lived my life in a an area where there were large Jewish minorities (I’m thinking pre-WW II Eastern Europe) I might have a different opinion.

    But since they’re a tiny minority in B.C., Canada, I can’t see them as a threat. There aren’t even enough in all of Canada to bother me.

    So you might say, I just have no experience with the problem.

    But as I mentioned in another comment, the small number of Jews in Canada did not slow the globalist agenda, including mass immigration from very different cultures, at all.

    The point I’m making is even if Jews were prominent in the onset mass immigration in the US, it happened even so in Canada. In summary, the idea that there would not have been mass immigration without Jews, is wrong.

    The West is crawling is crazy Gentile leftists. The emphasis on Jews makes no sense. You have to look at the West as a whole, rather than restrict yourself the US.

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  197. @Frau Katze
    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    Trudeau Sr. was part French and part Scottish. I have it heard it said that the 100% French Canadians didn't accept him due to this mixed background. Thus he wanted a whole bunch of other ethnicities to dilute the French and English-speakers.

    I have no idea if this true or not, but the man certainly wasn't Jewish or even particularly interested in them. The francophone/Anglophone debate was the big story in Canada.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can't figure out. I've encountered many of them. They don't seem to even have an opinion on Israel or Jews.

    There are fewer Jews per capita in Canada than the US. They are particularly thin on the ground in western Canada. Yet there are leftist idiots galore out here. You can take that to the bank.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can’t figure out.

    They are manipulated through indoctrination, incentivization, and intimidation.

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  198. @ben tillman

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism.
     
    That's facile and internally inconsistent.

    Your second paragraph, which you seem to believe contradicts the first, is entirely consistent with it. And the "driving force behind multiculturalism" in Canada was not Trudeau but the force that caused Trudeau to push multiculturalism.

    That is true. Trudeau picked up on the zeitgeist, he didn’t operate in a vacuum.

    As to where the zeitgeist came from, that is a huge question, beyond the scope of blog comments.

    The whole multicultural thing has become frankly depressing to me. To research it’s exact origin would be a large project. I choose not to spend my time on it.

    You believe that Jews were involved to the extent that without them, it would never have happened?

    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one’s society and culture).

    I have read quite a bit on the world wars and cannot escape noticing how things changed after WW I.

    But we’re getting past what can be discussed in blog comments.

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    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one’s society and culture).
     
    Agreed.

    Much of the craziness goes back to American Progressivism, so we're talking late 19th century. And not Jewish.
  199. @Dr. Krieger
    I hate to break the news to you, but while Spencer didn't actually coin the term Alternative Right, he and Colin Lidell started the website Alternative Right in 2010. Bannon is not alt-right. Your so-called "fringe neo-Nazi types" are the Alt-Right and always have been.
    Noone that isn't a White Nationalist and sound on the JQ can really consider themselves Alt-Right. This is not some rule I made up. It's generally accepted.

    Other people who are not Alt-Right (call them Alt-Lite if anything):

    Milo Yiannopolous
    Paul Joseph Watson
    Alex Jones
    Stefan Molyneux
    Mike Cernovich

    Leaners but soft on JQ:

    John Derbyshire
    Jared Taylor
    Peter Brimelow

    Alt-Right:

    Richard Spencer
    Greg Johnson
    Mike Enoch
    Jazzhands McFeels
    Mike Halberstram
    Andy Nowicki
    Colin Lidell
    Kevin MacDonald (pretty sure)

    What makes me an authority. Nothing. But check for yourself.

    The fact people feel the need to debate the meaning of a term is a good way to know it is useless for communication.

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    @Stan Adams
    Not that anyone cares, but the Windows 2.0/3.0 command for Cut is Shift-Del, not Ctrl-Del.

    The Windows 1.0 commands were F2 (Copy), Del (Cut), and Ins (Paste). As I said earlier, DOS Word used the same keys for Cut and Paste.

    Oddly, the first three versions of DOS Word did not have a keyboard shortcut for Copy, aside from Esc (Access Menu)-C (Copy).

    Another DOS Word 1.x-3.x oddity was that the menu at the bottom of the screen:
    http://toastytech.com/guis/word115default.png

    ...was accessed with the Esc key, but dismissed with the Alpha command. Pressing Esc while in the menu did nothing. (The menu could not be hidden.) Also, the program used Tab and Spacebar, not the arrow keys, for menu navigation and selection.

    (Some of these conventions live on in Windows, where Tab and Spacebar are used in dialog boxes.)

    Microsoft's DOS applications were extremely quirky and awkward. The company's early Windows apps benefited tremendously from Microsoft's experience in writing Mac apps.

    They also benefited from Microsoft's ownership of the operating system. Microsoft apps used undocumented calls to gain better performance and greater stability. (They were still buggy, but not as buggy as some of the crap other companies were dumping on the market.)

    Companies such as WordPerfect and Lotus that ported their best-selling DOS programs to Windows struggled to produce versions that didn't crash every five minutes.

    In late 1991, the brand-new WordPerfect 5.1 for Windows took 45 seconds to load on a 386/33 - hardly a slow machine at the time. (It was somewhat faster on a top-of-the-line 486.) Any small change involving a printer - such as changing the default paper size - could take upwards of ten minutes, during which the machine was frozen.

    Around the same time, Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows was so sluggish that one reviewer, who usually took 15 minutes to run through the features of a new program, gave up in frustration after it took him two hours to get halfway through his checklist.

    All Windows programs were slow in those days, but not that slow.

    Just how lousy Windows 3.11 and previous versions were has to be remembered. The old Macintosh, with its lack of true multitasking and primitive networking, was actually far more reliable and if you were using the machine for any real work was worth the (not inconsiderable) difference in price. The third party options had serious flaws, too: the Amiga was physically a piece of junk and its video resolution stunk except in the highest end mode: the Atari ST/Falcon had few apps for anything but gaming, and the Acorn RISC which was never seriously marketed in the US had little in the way of productivity apps either. (It did have the superb Sibelius music scoring system, but there is not all that big a market for music scoring.)

    The alternative to any of the above was a workstation. A workstation was a microcomputer that thought it was a minicomputer and brought a minicomputer price, and usually ran Unix. There were no shrink wrapped commercial applications for regular office and business tasks on workstations for several years, and when they were introduced the price was always a lot higher than for the same program on a ‘mainstream’ platform.

    What changed the game? Two things, NeXT and Linux.

    NeXT, Steve Jobs’ startup after getting fired from Apple, showed that you could have the power of a real multitasking multiuser environment and an interface the non-Unix-guru could use effectively and without a steep learning curve. Few people bought them because they were overpriced and underpowered and not marketed to home and small business users, but they showed what could be done.

    Linux didn’t do anything commercial Unix machines didn’t, but it was free. And it was drastically more reliable than early versions of Windows, even if it was not especially user friendly. That made it a potential threat.

    Microsoft was scared, and they spent the money to make a system that worked and wasn’t especially ugly. Windows 95, 98 and 98SE were distinct improvements on the DOS based Windows, and NT4, 2000 and XP finally did away with the DOS underlayer (there is still a command prompt, that uses DOS commands: it isn’t an inner layer but a outer shell) and developed into a reliable environment.

    This would never have happened had Microsoft not believed it necessary to cut these interlopers off at the pass.

    Meanwhile, Apple bought NeXT and got Steve Jobs back. It meant the end of NeXT, but much of NeXT became apparent in the new Mac OS X (though not all of it: Mac OS X is a dumbed down version). The Classic Mac OS was simply inadequate in the world of the Internet.

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    NeXT was an interesting failure, to be sure.

    I don't know how many folks own the first issue of Macworld and the first issue of NeXTWorld, but I do know that I'm one of them. Both magazines have Steve Jobs on the cover.

    (Now that they're available in PDF format online, owning the physical magazines is nothing more than hoarding. But I come from a long, proud line of hoarders, so it's okay.)

  201. @SFG
    More than one in a million. Romney got 30% of the Jewish vote and Trump 20%, so you might go as far as two in three, though I suspect a lot of those were vaguely right-leaning guys who couldn't stomach Hillary, or didn't think Trump would really go after the Jews. A lot of the right-wing intelligentsia didn't like Trump, and a lot of those were Jewish. If I had to guess I'd say 'right-wing Jews' are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.

    The Breitbart crowd actually practices a sort of soft white identity politics. They'll report on crimes by illegal immigrants and Muslims, though of course those aren't races per se. When you get to real white identity politics the Hitler stuff scares a lot of people off, Jewish and otherwise.

    One of the things I've realized over the years is that the mushy middle is actually a pretty vital place politically even if it's flabby intellectually. Soft-pedaling racial appeals gives you just enough deniability to moderate whites to get elected to major offices. If whites are afraid of black crime, you can promise to crack down on crime and put lots of black people in jail, and well, theoretically black people who aren't criminals have nothing to worry about.

    More than one in a million. Romney got 30% of the Jewish vote and Trump 20%

    Wait, did I miss something or did either of those candidates run pro-White campaigns? Also, the ludicrous thing about your point is both of those candidates were explicitly and almost shamefully pro-Jewish in their stances and you cite this as evidence that the good Jews are on our side? Don’t make me laugh.

    If I had to guess I’d say ‘right-wing Jews’ are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.

    I agree. They’re utter hypocrites.

    The Breitbart crowd actually practices a sort of soft white identity politics.

    Soft White — they don’t actually — and hard Jewish. Who, Whom?

    Soft-pedaling racial appeals gives you just enough deniability to moderate whites to get elected to major offices.

    Would only matter if the people doing the soft-peddling thought like Kevin MacDonald. Not much good for me if the people doing the selling actually think like Netanyahu, is there?

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  202. While I actually agree the heavily-Jewish MSM has a large portion of the blame, Communism? Really? That stuff’s dead. The modern left is basically capitalist with a large government on top to make sure all the groups, including weird ones like transgenders, get equal portions of the pie (which means white males get screwed because of their superior effort, etc.). They’ve basically made their peace with private industry, they just want to equidistribute every race and gender at equal portions throughout every level of it.

    News flash, Hitler’s been dead longer than communism. P.S., the left in Venezuela seems pretty modern. Imagine the bleating if they were 1/10th fashy, instead of mostly commie.

    I wouldn’t really say Breitbart is neocon (though they do support Israel quite strongly) or libertarian.

    Yeah Neocons have to be pied-pipers leading patriotic Euros down a sewer. Simply supporting Israel, and even a muscular foreign policy, doesn’t cut the mustard if you’re going to give aid and comfort to the enemy (support nationalism and sanity on borders for Euro populations, fair trade, etc.).

    Except for the one time Dave Horowitz went after Bill Kristol, and the MSM hung that around their necks for weeks.

    Yeah, they’re still doing it. It’s funny to me: “you’re an ANTI-SEMITE!!! because you let a Jew call another Jew a renegade Jew!!!” Yeah, sure buddy.

    If I had to guess I’d say ‘right-wing Jews’ are usually OK with generic white people and terrified of white nationalists.

    Sort of like how slaveholders were likely overwhelmingly good Christians toward their compliant slaves, but not so much toward the uppity ones, who probably terrified them.

    The fact people feel the need to debate the meaning of a term is a good way to know it is useless for communication.

    Like, say, “white,” “Jewish,” “race,” etc; all useless for communication.

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  203. @Anonymous
    Just how lousy Windows 3.11 and previous versions were has to be remembered. The old Macintosh, with its lack of true multitasking and primitive networking, was actually far more reliable and if you were using the machine for any real work was worth the (not inconsiderable) difference in price. The third party options had serious flaws, too: the Amiga was physically a piece of junk and its video resolution stunk except in the highest end mode: the Atari ST/Falcon had few apps for anything but gaming, and the Acorn RISC which was never seriously marketed in the US had little in the way of productivity apps either. (It did have the superb Sibelius music scoring system, but there is not all that big a market for music scoring.)

    The alternative to any of the above was a workstation. A workstation was a microcomputer that thought it was a minicomputer and brought a minicomputer price, and usually ran Unix. There were no shrink wrapped commercial applications for regular office and business tasks on workstations for several years, and when they were introduced the price was always a lot higher than for the same program on a 'mainstream' platform.

    What changed the game? Two things, NeXT and Linux.

    NeXT, Steve Jobs' startup after getting fired from Apple, showed that you could have the power of a real multitasking multiuser environment and an interface the non-Unix-guru could use effectively and without a steep learning curve. Few people bought them because they were overpriced and underpowered and not marketed to home and small business users, but they showed what could be done.

    Linux didn't do anything commercial Unix machines didn't, but it was free. And it was drastically more reliable than early versions of Windows, even if it was not especially user friendly. That made it a potential threat.

    Microsoft was scared, and they spent the money to make a system that worked and wasn't especially ugly. Windows 95, 98 and 98SE were distinct improvements on the DOS based Windows, and NT4, 2000 and XP finally did away with the DOS underlayer (there is still a command prompt, that uses DOS commands: it isn't an inner layer but a outer shell) and developed into a reliable environment.

    This would never have happened had Microsoft not believed it necessary to cut these interlopers off at the pass.

    Meanwhile, Apple bought NeXT and got Steve Jobs back. It meant the end of NeXT, but much of NeXT became apparent in the new Mac OS X (though not all of it: Mac OS X is a dumbed down version). The Classic Mac OS was simply inadequate in the world of the Internet.

    NeXT was an interesting failure, to be sure.

    I don’t know how many folks own the first issue of Macworld and the first issue of NeXTWorld, but I do know that I’m one of them. Both magazines have Steve Jobs on the cover.

    (Now that they’re available in PDF format online, owning the physical magazines is nothing more than hoarding. But I come from a long, proud line of hoarders, so it’s okay.)

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  204. @Frau Katze
    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    Trudeau Sr. was part French and part Scottish. I have it heard it said that the 100% French Canadians didn't accept him due to this mixed background. Thus he wanted a whole bunch of other ethnicities to dilute the French and English-speakers.

    I have no idea if this true or not, but the man certainly wasn't Jewish or even particularly interested in them. The francophone/Anglophone debate was the big story in Canada.

    And at the present time, there is no shortage of Gentiles who are all in favour of mass immigration for some reason I can't figure out. I've encountered many of them. They don't seem to even have an opinion on Israel or Jews.

    There are fewer Jews per capita in Canada than the US. They are particularly thin on the ground in western Canada. Yet there are leftist idiots galore out here. You can take that to the bank.

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.

    It’s the same in Australia. It was a WASP supposedly conservative prime minister, Malcolm Fraser, who unleashed multiculturalism upon us in the late 70s. Jews are a tiny minority here. Jewish groups do agitate in favour of multiculturalism and mass immigration but there are so few of them their influence is pretty marginal. Mostly they’re so insignificant that nobody notices them.

    In Australia it’s whites who have pursued national suicide. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

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    Leaders of western countries in general were simply following the cues of the Leftoid Hive narrative shapers in the period 1964-84 on matters of immigration, multiculturalism.
    In Britain it was done partly out of confusion post-empire, partly out of desire for some cheaper labor in mill towns, and it was kept at levels that were too high, but barely tolerable till Tony Blair arrived. In Canada, immigr/multicult was adapted by a combo of French-Irish-Jewish activists who were resentful of, & wanted to demolish the Anglo & Tory hegemony in certain areas. It was also done to suppress Quebec separatism (read vdare).
    In Australia, it was probably done to curry favor with western elites in Europe, North America. I suspect it was also an Irish-Jewish alliance that agitated for it behind the scenes. Keating would have been in favor for sure since he resented pre-1970 Australia. Fraser sounds like an effete, pompous blowhard who was virtue signalling to the sociology faculties & editorial boards.
    Nothing like the warm all over feeling knowing you are selling your country out for a few op-ed plaudits from the egghead class.
    , @PV van der Byl
    I agree completely.

    Look at Scandinavia, too.
  205. @syonredux
    Here’s a list of 7 core Alt-Right beliefs. Let’s see how I do:

    1.) People are different. Human inequality is a fact of life and belief systems that deny this lead to distortion and oppression. Both individuals and populations vary in their characteristics in meaningful ways, such as intelligence and social behavior. One size does not fit all, not comfortably at least.
     
    Yep

    2.) Our world is tribal.
     
    Yep

    3.) Our tribe is being suppressed. The new left doctrine of racial struggle in favor of non-whites only, a product of decolonization and the defeat of nationalists by egalitarians after WWII, must be repudiated and Whites must be allowed to take their own side in their affairs. A value system that says Whites are not allowed to have collective interests and literally every other identity group can do so and ought to do so is unacceptable.

     

    Yep

    4.) Men are not women and women are not men.

     

    Yep

    5.) Freedom is a responsibility and not a right.
     
    Yep

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.
     
    Yep

    The final alt-right sh[**]-test is whether or not someone agrees with the reality that Jewish elites are opposed to our entire program.
     
    Yep

    Guess this means that I’m Alt-Right

    alt-right-the-rising-tide-of-ideological-autism-against-big-tent-supremacy/ >https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/the-fight-for-the-alt-right-the-rising-tide-of-ideological-autism-against-big-tent-supremacy/

    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I’m not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.

    That’s bizarre and it’s the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.

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    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I’m not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.

    That’s bizarre and it’s the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.
     

    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting:

    Men: Acquire the right to vote upon completion of military service (yeah, I got the idea from Starship Troopers).And by completion, I mean honorable discharge. Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

    Women: Acquire the right to vote after giving birth in wedlock. Loss of voting rights after getting a divorce, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

  206. @Jim Don Bob
    I see your Commodore 64, and raise you punched cards.

    I liked to draw on my mom’s punch cards.

    Our first PC was a TI Professional (1983).

    At school we had Commodore Pets.

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  207. @dfordoom
    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I'm not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.
     
    That's bizarre and it's the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.

    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I’m not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.

    That’s bizarre and it’s the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.

    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting:

    Men: Acquire the right to vote upon completion of military service (yeah, I got the idea from Starship Troopers).And by completion, I mean honorable discharge. Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

    Women: Acquire the right to vote after giving birth in wedlock. Loss of voting rights after getting a divorce, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

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    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting
     
    It's an incredibly dangerous road to go down.

    Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.
     
    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.

    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you've finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?

    The only sensible and safe restriction on the franchise would be to raise the minimum voting age to 25. That's the only method that is not open to abuse, it's totally fair (it would apply to everybody), and it would solve most of our problems. Voting is for grown-ups. 18-year-olds are not grown-ups.
  208. @dfordoom

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.
     
    It's the same in Australia. It was a WASP supposedly conservative prime minister, Malcolm Fraser, who unleashed multiculturalism upon us in the late 70s. Jews are a tiny minority here. Jewish groups do agitate in favour of multiculturalism and mass immigration but there are so few of them their influence is pretty marginal. Mostly they're so insignificant that nobody notices them.

    In Australia it's whites who have pursued national suicide. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

    Leaders of western countries in general were simply following the cues of the Leftoid Hive narrative shapers in the period 1964-84 on matters of immigration, multiculturalism.
    In Britain it was done partly out of confusion post-empire, partly out of desire for some cheaper labor in mill towns, and it was kept at levels that were too high, but barely tolerable till Tony Blair arrived. In Canada, immigr/multicult was adapted by a combo of French-Irish-Jewish activists who were resentful of, & wanted to demolish the Anglo & Tory hegemony in certain areas. It was also done to suppress Quebec separatism (read vdare).
    In Australia, it was probably done to curry favor with western elites in Europe, North America. I suspect it was also an Irish-Jewish alliance that agitated for it behind the scenes. Keating would have been in favor for sure since he resented pre-1970 Australia. Fraser sounds like an effete, pompous blowhard who was virtue signalling to the sociology faculties & editorial boards.
    Nothing like the warm all over feeling knowing you are selling your country out for a few op-ed plaudits from the egghead class.

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    Fraser sounds like an effete, pompous blowhard who was virtue signalling to the sociology faculties & editorial boards.
     
    You forget to add sanctimonious but otherwise you're spot on.
  209. @dfordoom

    One thing I forgot to mention. People talk as though Gentiles were powerless puppets of Jews.

    This is ridiculous. In Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the driving force behind multiculturalism. And his idiotic son is now our prime minister.
     
    It's the same in Australia. It was a WASP supposedly conservative prime minister, Malcolm Fraser, who unleashed multiculturalism upon us in the late 70s. Jews are a tiny minority here. Jewish groups do agitate in favour of multiculturalism and mass immigration but there are so few of them their influence is pretty marginal. Mostly they're so insignificant that nobody notices them.

    In Australia it's whites who have pursued national suicide. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

    I agree completely.

    Look at Scandinavia, too.

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  210. @syonredux

    I get two and a half out of seven so I guess I’m not alt right.

    6.) If we must be a democratic society, the franchise should be limited.

    That’s bizarre and it’s the sort of thing that leads me not to take the alt right all that seriously.
     

    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting:

    Men: Acquire the right to vote upon completion of military service (yeah, I got the idea from Starship Troopers).And by completion, I mean honorable discharge. Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

    Women: Acquire the right to vote after giving birth in wedlock. Loss of voting rights after getting a divorce, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting

    It’s an incredibly dangerous road to go down.

    Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.

    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.

    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you’ve finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?

    The only sensible and safe restriction on the franchise would be to raise the minimum voting age to 25. That’s the only method that is not open to abuse, it’s totally fair (it would apply to everybody), and it would solve most of our problems. Voting is for grown-ups. 18-year-olds are not grown-ups.

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    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you’ve finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?
     
    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I'm foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.
     
    That's actually the least controversial of my proposals. Lots of states already ban convicted felons from voting.
  211. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Leaders of western countries in general were simply following the cues of the Leftoid Hive narrative shapers in the period 1964-84 on matters of immigration, multiculturalism.
    In Britain it was done partly out of confusion post-empire, partly out of desire for some cheaper labor in mill towns, and it was kept at levels that were too high, but barely tolerable till Tony Blair arrived. In Canada, immigr/multicult was adapted by a combo of French-Irish-Jewish activists who were resentful of, & wanted to demolish the Anglo & Tory hegemony in certain areas. It was also done to suppress Quebec separatism (read vdare).
    In Australia, it was probably done to curry favor with western elites in Europe, North America. I suspect it was also an Irish-Jewish alliance that agitated for it behind the scenes. Keating would have been in favor for sure since he resented pre-1970 Australia. Fraser sounds like an effete, pompous blowhard who was virtue signalling to the sociology faculties & editorial boards.
    Nothing like the warm all over feeling knowing you are selling your country out for a few op-ed plaudits from the egghead class.

    Fraser sounds like an effete, pompous blowhard who was virtue signalling to the sociology faculties & editorial boards.

    You forget to add sanctimonious but otherwise you’re spot on.

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  212. @Frau Katze
    That is true. Trudeau picked up on the zeitgeist, he didn't operate in a vacuum.

    As to where the zeitgeist came from, that is a huge question, beyond the scope of blog comments.

    The whole multicultural thing has become frankly depressing to me. To research it's exact origin would be a large project. I choose not to spend my time on it.

    You believe that Jews were involved to the extent that without them, it would never have happened?

    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one's society and culture).

    I have read quite a bit on the world wars and cannot escape noticing how things changed after WW I.

    But we're getting past what can be discussed in blog comments.

    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one’s society and culture).

    Agreed.

    Much of the craziness goes back to American Progressivism, so we’re talking late 19th century. And not Jewish.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Exactly. It's a complex issue.

    There may have been signs even before WW I that things were going wrong. But I haven't studied up on it. I'm not even sure where I'd start.

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).

    It's bad enough that the entire left is demonizing us, calling us white supremacists and neo-Nazis. But we can't even get our own "side" to agree on what exactly we are.

    We all seem to agree that mass immigration to the point where we become minorities in our countries is no good. We don't want it.

    So the argument over Jews divides us and makes it much harder to articulate a common position and work towards political power.

    That's why on a number of times I've tried to argue with people over the Jew fixation. But I've never succeeded, although I try to be polite and not attack people. But some people feel so strongly that after even after a most politely worded statement, I've been told to just eff off.

    Can't they see that I'm largely sympathetic to their concerns and at least not start swearing at me? They're treating me as if I am their sworn enemy simply over the issue of Jews.

  213. @dfordoom

    My own sense is that WW I was the trigger for anti-Western sentiments (disgust rather than pride in one’s society and culture).
     
    Agreed.

    Much of the craziness goes back to American Progressivism, so we're talking late 19th century. And not Jewish.

    Exactly. It’s a complex issue.

    There may have been signs even before WW I that things were going wrong. But I haven’t studied up on it. I’m not even sure where I’d start.

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).

    It’s bad enough that the entire left is demonizing us, calling us white supremacists and neo-Nazis. But we can’t even get our own “side” to agree on what exactly we are.

    We all seem to agree that mass immigration to the point where we become minorities in our countries is no good. We don’t want it.

    So the argument over Jews divides us and makes it much harder to articulate a common position and work towards political power.

    That’s why on a number of times I’ve tried to argue with people over the Jew fixation. But I’ve never succeeded, although I try to be polite and not attack people. But some people feel so strongly that after even after a most politely worded statement, I’ve been told to just eff off.

    Can’t they see that I’m largely sympathetic to their concerns and at least not start swearing at me? They’re treating me as if I am their sworn enemy simply over the issue of Jews.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).
     
    Exactly. If the aim is to create a tiny political grouping that will never be accepted as anything other than a lunatic fringe group then the alt-right is succeeding admirably.

    If the aim is to create a political movement that might gain real influence then we have to be realistic. Certain positions are just political poison. Blaming Jews for everything is one such position.

    HBD is another. If we want to argue against immigration then there are powerful economic, social, cultural and environmental arguments on our side. But any argument that sounds like a claim that some races are inherently superior to others is political suicide.
  214. @dfordoom

    I would be OK with some restrictions on voting
     
    It's an incredibly dangerous road to go down.

    Loss of voting rights after getting divorced, having a child out of wedlock, or being convicted of a felony.
     
    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.

    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you've finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?

    The only sensible and safe restriction on the franchise would be to raise the minimum voting age to 25. That's the only method that is not open to abuse, it's totally fair (it would apply to everybody), and it would solve most of our problems. Voting is for grown-ups. 18-year-olds are not grown-ups.

    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you’ve finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?

    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.

    That’s actually the least controversial of my proposals. Lots of states already ban convicted felons from voting.

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    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?
     
    That's an interesting idea! But if poor judgment disqualifies one from voting the entire electorate will be about twelve people.
  215. @syonredux

    And loss of voting rights after getting divorced? So your wife sleeps with a couple of dozen other men and when you’ve finally had enough and you get a divorce you lose your right to vote? Or your husband runs off with a floozy half his age and leaves you with the kids and you lose your right to vote?
     
    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I'm foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    Loss of voting rights after being convicted of a felony can easily be extended to loss of voting rights after being convicted of Thought Crime. Remember that in many countries (such as Britain and Australia) Thought Crime is already actually illegal. I can easily foresee the day when accessing a site like this will be illegal.
     
    That's actually the least controversial of my proposals. Lots of states already ban convicted felons from voting.

    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    That’s an interesting idea! But if poor judgment disqualifies one from voting the entire electorate will be about twelve people.

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    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    That’s an interesting idea! But if poor judgment disqualifies one from voting the entire electorate will be about twelve people.
     
    Quality over quantity.
  216. @Frau Katze
    Exactly. It's a complex issue.

    There may have been signs even before WW I that things were going wrong. But I haven't studied up on it. I'm not even sure where I'd start.

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).

    It's bad enough that the entire left is demonizing us, calling us white supremacists and neo-Nazis. But we can't even get our own "side" to agree on what exactly we are.

    We all seem to agree that mass immigration to the point where we become minorities in our countries is no good. We don't want it.

    So the argument over Jews divides us and makes it much harder to articulate a common position and work towards political power.

    That's why on a number of times I've tried to argue with people over the Jew fixation. But I've never succeeded, although I try to be polite and not attack people. But some people feel so strongly that after even after a most politely worded statement, I've been told to just eff off.

    Can't they see that I'm largely sympathetic to their concerns and at least not start swearing at me? They're treating me as if I am their sworn enemy simply over the issue of Jews.

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).

    Exactly. If the aim is to create a tiny political grouping that will never be accepted as anything other than a lunatic fringe group then the alt-right is succeeding admirably.

    If the aim is to create a political movement that might gain real influence then we have to be realistic. Certain positions are just political poison. Blaming Jews for everything is one such position.

    HBD is another. If we want to argue against immigration then there are powerful economic, social, cultural and environmental arguments on our side. But any argument that sounds like a claim that some races are inherently superior to others is political suicide.

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    Yep, HBD would have to be left out. If you start thinking it through, you eventually conclude there is no way to make it palatable.
  217. @dfordoom

    But one thing is clear at the present time: the continuing trend of blaming Jews is a big problem for trying to build a movement that is a respectable alternative to currently accepted conservatism (or right wing, or however you want to define it).
     
    Exactly. If the aim is to create a tiny political grouping that will never be accepted as anything other than a lunatic fringe group then the alt-right is succeeding admirably.

    If the aim is to create a political movement that might gain real influence then we have to be realistic. Certain positions are just political poison. Blaming Jews for everything is one such position.

    HBD is another. If we want to argue against immigration then there are powerful economic, social, cultural and environmental arguments on our side. But any argument that sounds like a claim that some races are inherently superior to others is political suicide.

    Yep, HBD would have to be left out. If you start thinking it through, you eventually conclude there is no way to make it palatable.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Truth will always eventually make itself palatable, if only by allowing those who find a particular truth palatable to rise in influence thereby over those who don't. An accurate map of reality is a killer app.
  218. @dfordoom

    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?
     
    That's an interesting idea! But if poor judgment disqualifies one from voting the entire electorate will be about twelve people.

    People should pay a penalty for having poor judgement. If I’m foolish enough to marry a floozy, why should my vote be counted?

    That’s an interesting idea! But if poor judgment disqualifies one from voting the entire electorate will be about twelve people.

    Quality over quantity.

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  219. @Frau Katze
    Yep, HBD would have to be left out. If you start thinking it through, you eventually conclude there is no way to make it palatable.

    Truth will always eventually make itself palatable, if only by allowing those who find a particular truth palatable to rise in influence thereby over those who don’t. An accurate map of reality is a killer app.

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  220. @AndrewR
    You're providing a good example of a troll-baited sucker. Btw your English is excellent for an Asian. よかった!

    Thanks. Always a first time to fall for it.

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  221. […] The Hitlerian vocabulary of Studies professors suggests that although we hear so much about the dangers of the “alt-right,” we ought to learn more about the “ctrl-left.” […]

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