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Investigator vs. Investigator

From the New York Times:

F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

I can’t keep all this Spy vs. Spy stuff straight in my head, but I did observe a two-generation link from the, uh, purported FBI investigator to that pinnacle of American Deep State competence … yes … The Bay of Pigs.

Here’s a 1983 New York Times article by Leslie Gelb that has more:

REAGAN AIDES DESCRIBE OPERATION TO GATHER INSIDE DATA ON CARTER

By LESLIE H. GELB and SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES

The New York Times Archives

An operation to collect inside information on Carter Administration foreign policy was run in Ronald Reagan’s campaign headquarters in the 1980 Presidential campaign, according to present and former Reagan Administration officials.

Those sources said they did not know exactly what information the operation produced or whether it was anything beyond the usual grab bag of rumors and published news reports. But they said it involved a number of retired Central Intelligence Agency officials and was highly secretive.

The sources identified Stefan A. Halper, a campaign aide involved in providing 24-hour news updates and policy ideas to the traveling Reagan party, as the person in charge. Mr. Halper, until recently deputy director of the State Department’s Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs and now chairman of the Palmer National Bank in Washington, was out of town today and could not be reached. But Ray S. Cline, his father-in-law, a former senior Central Intelligence official, rejected the account as a ”romantic fallacy.”

Investigations Under Way

The disclosure of the information-gathering operation added to the furor over revelations that Reagan campaign officials came into possession of Carter debate strategy papers before the candidates’ televised debate.

From Wikipedia:

Ray Steiner Cline (June 4, 1918 – March 16, 1996) was an official at the United States Central Intelligence Agency best known for being the chief CIA analyst during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It looks like the Reagan campaign in 1980 inherited Halper from the GHW Bush campaign.

 
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  1. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

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    You left out two shooting incidents and a Saddam Huseein style marshalled crowd of schoolchildren invading Paul Ryan's office.
    , @kihowi
    1) Immigration isn't going to change anything, stop being paranoid. It's just a few people.

    2) Ok, it's a significant amount of people, but it's only a minority and multicultural societies are wonderful.

    3) Ok they've taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?



    I can date any occasion in my life by how far along the immigration argument it was. I was in junior high during the tail-end of 1), finishing high-school during 2) and now we're in 3).
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  2. LOL, and kudos for the Mad Magazine reference.

    I remain,

    Achmed E. Newman

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    What-me worry?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Achmed E. Newman
     
    Okay, we all get the E. Newman, but does Achmed come from Beverly Hills Cop?
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  3. Um… isn’t Bay of Pigs the archetypal example of the Deep State having a handle on things only for some meddling idiot president to fuck it all up?

    Or am I just a sucker?

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    • Replies: @segundo
    Um...you're a total sucker.
    , @ziel
    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Wrong.

    The CIA knew the invasion would fail and admitted it in writing in November of 1960!
    They weren't stupid, and they had a fall-back plan, but one they knew Kennedy would never approve beforehand - send in the Marines.

    So, as the mission failed (as expected), in the heat of battle, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs would then present Kennedy with a way out of the mess, something they thought would be irresistable:

    "Rescue" with the mission with the overt use of the USMC and the USN! (a "joint Agency/DOD action")
    Kennedy would then cave in and approve the use of our military to "save" the invasion forces, or so the CIA and the Joint Chiefs thought.
    .
    That was always the plan, except the CIA was dumbfounded the Kennedy wouldn't take the bait. The CIA had considered it impossible the Kennedy would cut our losses rather then send in the Navy and the Marines.

    "CIA officials, from Dulles on down to the branch chief who ran the operation, professed this same belief but tacitly assumed that President Kennedy would commit US troops rather than let the Brigade be overrun."

    That's why they hated him - he didn't do what they were trying to manuever him into.

    Don't take my word for it - the CIA's own internal history admitted it in documents declassified in 2005 - read it!

    The second cite below is from the CIA itself.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB355/bop-vol3_p149.pdf


    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter98_99/art08.html
    , @Rod1963
    Yeah the Deep State blew it.

    They went to Trump with the dossier and though they could blackmail him into resigning. Those spooks screwed up big time. Trump is a playboy and makes no bones about it and everyone knows. BFD. He knew they were blowing smoke then and there. Trump is a guy who deals with professional bullshit artists everyday of his life. I bet he sized up Comey as a gelded POS with stomach problems.(and he is, his wife and daughter are hard core Hillary supporters). You know he has manhood.

    That's the price of arrogance. You don't get smart sitting in a government office all day and having underlings polish your nob. Knowing no one can fire you. All these guys had a god complex.

    This is why the spooks get almost everything wrong. From the fall of the Soviet Union, 9/11 to the Iraqi WMD's and the Pulse Nightclub. Good god if these guys ran a small business it would have caught fire and went bankrupt decades ago and they would be found dead in a Bangkok hotel with with a lady boy and a dwarf.
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  4. J.Ross says: • Website

    This is objectively bigger and worse than Watergate. Watergate was over-enthusiastic underlings of Nixon breaking into an office in the hopes of violating doctor-patient confidentiality (which was effectively ended anyway under the last two administrations). This is will be understood by normies, and it comes as Inspector General Horowitz finds grounds to charge former officials. As “spy versus spy” as this gets was Awan caught attempting to flee the country after having been in charge of IT for the Democratic delegation to Congress. Still waiting for these exceedingly well hidden Russians to decloak.

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    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    There are similarities between Watergate and what's happening now. Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were involved in secret negotiations with the USSR and China, shutting out the CIA and the Pentagon. But the Nixon-Kissinger covert diplomacy was discovered through DOD electronic surveillance of the White House and CIA moles like John Dean. The coup d'état began when Howard Hunt led his team of anti-Castro Cubans into the break-in of the DNC offices at the Watergate complex.

    Trump is now subject to the same process by a new generation of national security state players -- Brennan, Clapper, Mueller -- because he defeated their candidate, Hillary Clinton, who proved to be a devoted servant to the sinister forces some call globalists.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
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  5. Warner says:

    To investigate, not spy.

    To decipher, not decode.

    To persuade, not influence.

    To mutilate, not disfigure.

    To incarcerate, not imprison.

    To construct, not build.

    To instruct, not teach.

    Any more? It’s fun.

    I strangely find it works better when the second synonym, I mean obvious antonym, has less syllables than the first. It condescends but doesn’t speak down.

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    To decipher, not decode.
     
    I'll give 'em a break on this one. "Decipher" means reconstructing a message that has been made to be unread by scrambling of letters via some method. "Decode" is much more general and could involve many other means of a making a message unreadable to isn't supposed to read it.
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    @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/Daddy_Warpig/status/997509387605307394

    You left out two shooting incidents and a Saddam Huseein style marshalled crowd of schoolchildren invading Paul Ryan’s office.

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  7. SnakeEyes says:

    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

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    Didn't pan out for JFK that approach. The Mueller nonsense is certainly meant to hobble Trump, all about the midterms for the Donald.
    , @Anon
    They have civil. Service protection
    , @bomag

    ...power to fire...
     
    I suppose if the people had power, we'd vote in representatives that would defund and defang these and other agencies.

    But it is the opposite in this day and age of the deep state: every crisis equates to calls for more spending, more agencies (HomeLand Security {cough}).

    If Trump fired fifty administrators, I'm sure congress would create and fund one hundred new positions the next day.

    , @PapayaSF
    Patience. Federal indictments take time, and Sessions and Huber need to get all their ducks in a row before they start indicting large swathes of the Obama administration. Plus, timing is everything: it's better if the hammer comes down closer to the November midterms.

    Related snark: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8kjyrl/what_did_obama_know_and_when_did_he_know_it/
    , @Jonathan Mason

    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.
     
    Trump is on house arrest in the White House, but he is allowed to watch Murdoch News and satellite porn, and tweet to give the impression that he is still in charge.

    The misspellings in the tweets are an attempt to show the world that he is being held hostage.
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  8. Lot says:

    I will never get back the 2 minutes of Googling it took me to figure out what you meant!

    Here’s the article about the “Trump mole” that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Here is an great 1983 NYT article mentioning the deep state conspiracy full of ex-CIA people against Jimmy Carter that featured Helper, which was amusingly exposed when a memorabilia seeker found evidence of it while looking through Ronnie’s 1980 campaign’s trash cans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEmna2e41-Y

    We live in a world where Alex Jones released the name of the mole five days ago, but the NY Times still will not release the name five days later in an article dumped on a Friday night at 9:00 PM.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Here’s the article about the “Trump mole” that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/
     
    Thanks for the link.

    Halper? Halper? What kind of name is that, exactly?

    Oh, and he was a Bush family retainer too.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The name of the mole is irrelevant.

    The reason for this article (per Andrew McCarthy's invaluable commentary) is that the FBI can't open a criminal investigation without a criminal charge to pursue, so it opened a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign because it didn't have any criminal charges. However, counterintelligence investigations are not supposed to be conducted against Americans, but against foreigners. So the NY Times is trying to help the FBI by getting ahead of the narrative and obscuring the fact that the FBI opened on inappropriate investigation on the Trump campaign.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Since Halper is truly the insider's insider, a Deep-Stater at the highest level, I wonder how Halper felt about President Richard Nixon when Halper was a young aide in the Office of Domestic Council in the early 1970's, especially about Nixon's 1972 attempts to wind down the Cold War in Vietnam, the USSR and China ?

    (The fact that the Deep State hated Nixon is not irrelevant here.)
    (And that same Deep State hates Trump is a just a coincidence?)

    Also, he's a member of "Le Cercle" . . .

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle
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  9. Bill P says:

    The Brits ought to pay for interfering in our election. Sounds like this Halper guy was an MI6 agent as well as CIA. All this talk about Russia when British interference is all but standing naked in front of us. Since when did the USA become a commonwealth country?

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    Churchill made us a vassal of the US in 1940, MI6 were just doing what Brennan, Clapper, Obama et al wanted.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-is-pushing-us-into-the-arms-of-china-bw7bnj9d5

    It does look, Brexit apart, that this might be changing. Brexit was seen as potentially making us even more of a vassal, but it looks like we remain aligned to Europe. Of course my preferred choice of Swiss isolationism never gets a look in.
    , @Bragadocious
    Yep and as you suggest it wasn't just Steele. Remember the first reporting of this caper; Steele was an "ex-MI6" spy who was acting rogue. Now it's been unearthed that he's part of a much bigger outfit called Hakluyt which is all ex-MI6 engaged in black ops for well-heeled corporate clients and electoral dirty tricks. Hakluyt's leadership includes a who's who of British spooks, including Robin Renwick and Mike Reynolds.

    This goes right to Theresa May.

    Their amateurish antics have cost the U.S. taxpayers tens of millions of dollars in lawyers' fees and helped create a mass hypnosis over a story that amounts to nothing but fairies and unicorns.

    All this because Trump was seen as a NATO skeptic who had to be stopped. ("A virus," the Brits called him)

    And to think: we defend these assholes (and did in the Falklands campaign). They're a cancer on humanity.
    , @Lugash
    Halper's dual US-UK citizenship is interesting. The first reference I can find to the dual citizenship is the Chuck Ross DC article, but nothing else really confirms it. Dual US-UK citizenship is rare, and even more so for US citizens to get it later in life. The only other time I've seen that it hedge fund scumbag Bill Browder, who got UK citizenship, then renounced his US citizenship as a tax dodge. So does Halper love the UK? Want cover if his MI6 work goes bad? Or is he setup for a payday and getting ready to renounce his US citizenship?
    , @George
    British swing the nomination to Willkie:

    Wendell Willkie: The “Miracle Man” of 1940
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/21537-the-miracle-man-of-1940
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  10. Patty O says:

    I don’t get it.

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    Me neither. I fully qualified on the other day's nerd test and am incapable of deciphering what appears to be high school cafeteria gossip. I'll have to wait for the wrap up summary.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't follow this Russia election interference infotainment by our Lyin' Press, due it being just a big distraction. However, what Mr. Sailer is trying to get across is that this NYT writer is trying to convince us that (in this case) to "investigate" is any different from subterfuge, aka to "spy." in this Deep State fiasco of intrigue.

    The cartoon should help, but only if you'd have read Mad Magazine that used to have a page long "Spy vs. Spy" cartoon each issue.

    I hope I explained that right. Otherwise, yeah, I don't get it. ;-}
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  11. Lot says:

    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint “business friendly” judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class. I have a theory on how we ended up like this.

    There is no real way to defend the sleaze like Manafort and Page, who Trump let run his campaign for a few months. The problem is that the FBI should be looking at the nearly identical crimes by people associated with Hillary, not looking for “mortgage fraud” in Michael Cohen’s HELOC because he said he’d use the money, which was fully repaid with interest, on home improvements. That’s the point of having control of the executive branch.

    Trump seem to have made a horrible and obvious mistake not either forcing Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller or finding someone else who would. There would have been MSM complaints, but Trump is great at changing the subject and moving on.

    The reason he didn’t do this is probably the 20 or so Senate GOP Trump haters said they’d vote to impeach him if he did. Thus, the Ben Sasse/Lindsey Graham block, an unpopular minority of the less popular party, got everything they wanted and nothing they didn’t so far in Trump’s presidency. This will likely remain the case for at least another year.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I'm watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF "Lot" declares how its doom o clock for us.
    , @Mishra

    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint “business friendly” judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class.
     
    Trump's not only not the reformer he promised he'd be, he's not a reformer at all. He's busy triangulating in that bumbling way of his, trying not to get impeached, or worse. The third-world invasion continues apace, and not only isn't it being reversed, it's not being stopped or even appreciably slowed.

    So the Ruling Class continues to get its way, which is sort of characteristic of ruling classes. The wreckage of our once-great society is well underway and thanks to this single policy feature, it'll be permanent.

    , @Ed
    The refugee program is on life support but here comes Lot with “Trump can’t stop the invasion!”.

    Look we are a country of laws, the president can only do so much absent Congressional action.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/refugee-admissions.html
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...and sign massive tax cuts for the rich
     
    The best way for a rich man to commit treason is to send his full share of tax to the Potomac.

    Business interferes in government because government interferes in business.
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  12. @Lot
    I will never get back the 2 minutes of Googling it took me to figure out what you meant!

    Here's the article about the "Trump mole" that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Here is an great 1983 NYT article mentioning the deep state conspiracy full of ex-CIA people against Jimmy Carter that featured Helper, which was amusingly exposed when a memorabilia seeker found evidence of it while looking through Ronnie's 1980 campaign's trash cans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html

    We live in a world where Alex Jones released the name of the mole five days ago, but the NY Times still will not release the name five days later in an article dumped on a Friday night at 9:00 PM.

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  13. @Lot
    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint "business friendly" judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class. I have a theory on how we ended up like this.

    There is no real way to defend the sleaze like Manafort and Page, who Trump let run his campaign for a few months. The problem is that the FBI should be looking at the nearly identical crimes by people associated with Hillary, not looking for "mortgage fraud" in Michael Cohen's HELOC because he said he'd use the money, which was fully repaid with interest, on home improvements. That's the point of having control of the executive branch.

    Trump seem to have made a horrible and obvious mistake not either forcing Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller or finding someone else who would. There would have been MSM complaints, but Trump is great at changing the subject and moving on.

    The reason he didn't do this is probably the 20 or so Senate GOP Trump haters said they'd vote to impeach him if he did. Thus, the Ben Sasse/Lindsey Graham block, an unpopular minority of the less popular party, got everything they wanted and nothing they didn't so far in Trump's presidency. This will likely remain the case for at least another year.

    I’m watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF “Lot” declares how its doom o clock for us.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    Interior deportations up nearly 50%
    Crossings down
    Refugees down
    Visa admissions are tightening. I met a state dept lawyer who is flying to Nigeria in a few weeks to tighten up their interview process. She couldn’t get into specifics but it’s going to get a lot tougher for Nigerians to get visas to come here going forward.

    Isteve commentators: Trump is a cuck, he’s soft on immigration!

    They don’t deserve him at all. I’m of half a mind to root for the Dems in 2020.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    I’m watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF “Lot” declares how its doom o clock for us.

     

    I had to Google the JIDF bit. JIDF is Jewish Internet Defense Force.

    Why is there no WIDF -- Whitey Internet Defense Force?

    Back To Blood Is Heating Up!

    Trumpy Is Hastening The Explicit Whitey Day Of Reckoning!

    Trumpy has been weak on immigration. We want to love Trumpy, but Trumpy has made himself unlovable by being weak on immigration.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!
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  14. Lugash says:

    Here’s another example of the Transnational Surveillance State doing damage control on a Friday evening:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?noredirect=on

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  15. Mishra says:
    @Lot
    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint "business friendly" judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class. I have a theory on how we ended up like this.

    There is no real way to defend the sleaze like Manafort and Page, who Trump let run his campaign for a few months. The problem is that the FBI should be looking at the nearly identical crimes by people associated with Hillary, not looking for "mortgage fraud" in Michael Cohen's HELOC because he said he'd use the money, which was fully repaid with interest, on home improvements. That's the point of having control of the executive branch.

    Trump seem to have made a horrible and obvious mistake not either forcing Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller or finding someone else who would. There would have been MSM complaints, but Trump is great at changing the subject and moving on.

    The reason he didn't do this is probably the 20 or so Senate GOP Trump haters said they'd vote to impeach him if he did. Thus, the Ben Sasse/Lindsey Graham block, an unpopular minority of the less popular party, got everything they wanted and nothing they didn't so far in Trump's presidency. This will likely remain the case for at least another year.

    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint “business friendly” judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class.

    Trump’s not only not the reformer he promised he’d be, he’s not a reformer at all. He’s busy triangulating in that bumbling way of his, trying not to get impeached, or worse. The third-world invasion continues apace, and not only isn’t it being reversed, it’s not being stopped or even appreciably slowed.

    So the Ruling Class continues to get its way, which is sort of characteristic of ruling classes. The wreckage of our once-great society is well underway and thanks to this single policy feature, it’ll be permanent.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    It turns out Trump is a maverick champion of the American people against globo-homozillionaire-immivasion the way Lenin and Stalin were champions of the Russian serf....
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Trump’s not only not the reformer he promised he’d be...
     
    Thanks for the view from Moscow, comrade.
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    But Hola also sells its free users’ bandwidth in another service called Luminati.
     
    Luminati! Tres Troll!
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  17. Jack D says:

    The CIA is really a family business. Nepotism galore. Tsarnaevs, Aldrich Ames – all multi-generation CIA connections.

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  18. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot
    I will never get back the 2 minutes of Googling it took me to figure out what you meant!

    Here's the article about the "Trump mole" that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Here is an great 1983 NYT article mentioning the deep state conspiracy full of ex-CIA people against Jimmy Carter that featured Helper, which was amusingly exposed when a memorabilia seeker found evidence of it while looking through Ronnie's 1980 campaign's trash cans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html

    Here’s the article about the “Trump mole” that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Thanks for the link.

    Halper? Halper? What kind of name is that, exactly?

    Oh, and he was a Bush family retainer too.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, the connection with the Bushes is a real red flag. You can imagine how they felt when it became obvious Trump was going to prevent them from getting a 3rd family member into the White House.
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  19. LondonBob says:
    @Bill P
    The Brits ought to pay for interfering in our election. Sounds like this Halper guy was an MI6 agent as well as CIA. All this talk about Russia when British interference is all but standing naked in front of us. Since when did the USA become a commonwealth country?

    Churchill made us a vassal of the US in 1940, MI6 were just doing what Brennan, Clapper, Obama et al wanted.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-is-pushing-us-into-the-arms-of-china-bw7bnj9d5

    It does look, Brexit apart, that this might be changing. Brexit was seen as potentially making us even more of a vassal, but it looks like we remain aligned to Europe. Of course my preferred choice of Swiss isolationism never gets a look in.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Churchill made us a vassal of the US in 1940...
     
    ... hardly to our own benefit.

    You'd think British and European anti-imperialists would do more to honor the Lindberghs, who did their best to keep us on our side of the water.
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  20. LondonBob says:
    @SnakeEyes
    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    Didn’t pan out for JFK that approach. The Mueller nonsense is certainly meant to hobble Trump, all about the midterms for the Donald.

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    But at the same time, I think Trump may be allowing it to go on as a means of motivating his supporters to vote in November.

    Also, he may be giving Mueller and his gang, as well as Brennan, Clapper, Comey, etc, all the rope they need to hang themselves by continuing to talk on the record...sort of like when he told the media he had a big announcement and then proceeded to have the veterans speak and be praised for 15 minutes or more while the media covered it all, much to their chagrin.

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  21. istevefan says:
    @J.Ross
    This is objectively bigger and worse than Watergate. Watergate was over-enthusiastic underlings of Nixon breaking into an office in the hopes of violating doctor-patient confidentiality (which was effectively ended anyway under the last two administrations). This is will be understood by normies, and it comes as Inspector General Horowitz finds grounds to charge former officials. As "spy versus spy" as this gets was Awan caught attempting to flee the country after having been in charge of IT for the Democratic delegation to Congress. Still waiting for these exceedingly well hidden Russians to decloak.

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

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    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
     
    There are different theories. H.R. "Bob" Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O'Brien. O'Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O'Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean's wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event..........................who cares?
    , @J.Ross
    Yeah, it's a real coincidence, like media over-reporting of mass shootings in an age of declining violence, or Assad celebrating victory by illegally gassing his own supporters in territories where his own soldiers might be affected.
    , @Anon
    There’s some theory that somebody’s wife worked a bit as an escort girl before the marriage and the burglars wanted to steal a party girl list with her name on it.

    Another theory by Nixon fans is that it was a deep deep dark CIA operation against him because he pulled us out of Vietnam and CIA wanted to keep the war going

    So many theories
    , @Olorin
    You're assuming that stuff like this doesn't happen all the time, covered up to various degrees in various ways...or released for political gain.

    Take a look at those involved with the "leaks" and particularly the Heroic Journalists who got involved.

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/mark-felt-biopic-worse-than-its-negative-reviews/

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/who-or-what-brought-down-nixon/
    , @MBlanc46
    No one else understands it either. If my memory serves, Stanley Kutler, the principal American historian of Watergate, suggests that it might have been that Nixon thought that Larry O’Brien had very damaging information about Nixon’s relationship with Howard Hughes. Others maintain that Nixon wasn’t behind it at all, that John Dean was the mastermind of the caper to keep his wife’s connection to a DC call girl ring secret. You pays your money and you takes your chances,
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  22. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL, and kudos for the Mad Magazine reference.

    I remain,

    Achmed E. Newman

    What-me worry?

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  23. Mr. Anon says:
    @istevefan
    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    There are different theories. H.R. “Bob” Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O’Brien. O’Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O’Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean’s wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?

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    "At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?"

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.
    , @Carol
    Watergate was the template for a way to take down or at least cripple a president. Tried again with Iran Contra, turnabout against Clinton, then the endless Scooter Libby nonsense.

    It was fun for a naif like me at the time, but how serious was Watergate, really?
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    The G. Gordon Liddy theory is on the right track, except it didn't go quite far enough: the call-girls were part of a covert CIA operation to gather info on all kinds of bigwigs (from all sides and places) in Washington. The call-girl ring was at the Columbia Plaza Apartments, just down the block from the Watergate Complex. (Google "White House Call Girl" by Phil Stanford)

    I've never seen any good evidence that Maureen Biner Dean was actually a call-girl herself, but her friend "Heidi Rikan/Cathy Dieter" was the head of the thing, and was a CIA asset.

    That's why James McCord made sure the break-in would be discovered: to keep amateurs like John Dean from stumbling onto a CIA operation. It's also why McCord flipped a gasket in court when defense lawyers (naively) tried to blame the CIA for the break-in. It's why McCord wrote the letter to Judge Sirica. It's why CIA head Richard Helms flipped out when Haldeman tried to suggest that the CIA take the blame for the break-in (to tell the FBI to back off).

    But Nixon knew something very secret and very dangerous about E. Howard Hunt (something that Haldeman did not) and Helms knew that Nixon knew. And Nixon hinted that if the FBI really investigated the break-in, then the CIA would be in real trouble.

    And so, Helms and Vernon Walters did tell the FBI to back off - so the secret remained hidden.
    And so, by burying that secret, Nixon really did obstruct justice, in both the superficial media narrative, and in a much deeper sense to the American people and history.

    Nixon knew what the CIA had done and that knowledge doomed him.

    Most people don't know what Nixon knew, but some of us certainly do . . .

    Here's Oliver Stone's take on it:

    https://youtu.be/JWRVyaKnGcA
    , @MBlanc46
    I see that you beat me to it. There are those two and others.
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  24. Mr. Anon says:
    @J.Ross
    Israeli VPN service harvests IPs and resources for botnets and censorship.
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/2928340/ultra-popular-hola-vpn-extension-sold-your-bandwidth-for-use-in-a-botnet-attack.html

    But Hola also sells its free users’ bandwidth in another service called Luminati.

    Luminati! Tres Troll!

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    In a way I feel like they can have them; regardless of how you feel about Zionism, if you voluntarily gave internet assets to Israelis, you deserve whatever you get.
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  25. dearieme says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
     
    There are different theories. H.R. "Bob" Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O'Brien. O'Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O'Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean's wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event..........................who cares?

    “At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?”

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.

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    "kinder way to stage a coup"

    Yes. One more political assassination might have been over the top.
    , @theMann
    "It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas."


    Precisely, although considering what a truly odious jerk Kennedy was, he was destined to clock out of the world in that manner, from somebody, somehow.


    Nixon, for all of his manifest faults and terrible soft socialist economic policies, was a True American, a committed Idealist for Peace, and a brilliant diplomat. And Deep State Washington just couldn't stand that, especially the Idealist for Peace.


    Incidentally, if you ever want to have real fun with a Liberal, pull out the Articles of Impeachment, skip the first count, and read the eleven or so others SUBSTITUTING OBAMA FOR NIXON. (BTW, I have a lot of really effective ways to ruin a Liberal's day, and that is just one of them.)
    , @Art Deco
    Unless you fancy the 'coup' was 'staged' by John Mitchell (who went to prison), there was no coup. Gordon Liddy's crew were his employees. Mitchell had been Nixon's law partner and was as personally loyal to Nixon as anyone.

    There was no coup in 1963 either, unless you fancy the military-industrial complex sought to replace one mainline Democrat with a somewhat more populist mainline Democrat just for kicks, subcontracting the job to a warehouse employee with delusions of grandeur whose most consistent and reliable talent was getting fired from whatever dead end job he was currently holding.
    , @Anon
    Good one!!!! We can always rely on you for a great comment
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  26. “Drumpf’s a bumbler!” declares self important commentariat who hasnt been right since November 7th, 2016.

    Yeah guys, tell me more about how bad it is for Trump that he stands back while his enemies set themselves on fire. Explain this to me – his enemies are self destructing one by one and you guys are going eeyore. Shocker.

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    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller's investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.

    Also, to be fair to the eeyore crowd, his appointment of Gina Haspel is a head-scratcher. John Brennan is obviously an enemy and outright dishonest and corrupt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't appoint anyone close to Brennan to any position in government. Haspel's trustworthiness is further put into question by the fact she was the CIA station chief for London while all the shit was going down with Halper, Papadopoulos, Strzok, etc.
    , @Autochthon
    Most of us naysayers have nothing good, bad, or indifferent to say about Trump's battles with his enemies, because it's nothing to do with us any more than an employee's nasty divorce concerns his employer. We elected him and we pay him to do work for us, and he is not doing it. Whether he keeps the house and gets custody of the kids after all (metaphorically speaking) won't change the fundamental gripe that he's not done a damned thing to help the company's bottom line for more than a year.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
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  27. @Patty O
    I don’t get it.

    Me neither. I fully qualified on the other day’s nerd test and am incapable of deciphering what appears to be high school cafeteria gossip. I’ll have to wait for the wrap up summary.

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  28. segundo says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Um... isn't Bay of Pigs the archetypal example of the Deep State having a handle on things only for some meddling idiot president to fuck it all up?

    Or am I just a sucker?

    Um…you’re a total sucker.

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  29. Anonym says:

    OT: Are you watching the train wreck of a wedding ceremony? /pol/ certainly is.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/172169974

    When our host made threads on the subject of the future Duchess of Sussex, he did nothing wrong.

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    Wallace Simpson now looks in good in retrospect.
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  30. George says:

    Hey iSteve, Has the FBI become an aristocracy? Maybe the US needs immigrants to prevent bureaucracies like the FBI (and the military) from becoming aristocracies? What are they going to do when the high IQ Asians start joining those organizations?

    Ajit Pai is the vanguard of the revolution!!!!

    ISPs and Ajit Pai are really sad about Senate’s vote for net neutrality

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/isps-and-ajit-pai-are-really-sad-about-senates-vote-for-net-neutrality/

    Undermining free speech used to be the White man’s job.

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  31. Glad tidings from RRTI For the longevity of British Dynasty.

    What the english aristocracy and judeo-american illuminati have decreed let no populist mortal sunder

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  32. The NYT must think its readers are stupid or perhaps desperate for soothing rationalizations for what is obviously a lawfare-based coup attempt.

    I am wondering why it is taking so long to indict and prosecute the coup-plotters, including (at least) Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Yates and their consiglieri and lower level thugs (like Strzok and Lisa Page). Perhaps Trump is delaying until the right time before his 2020 reelection.

    Regardless, it is important that these individuals and their entire gang be prosecuted, convicted and spend years in jail. Otherwise, during the next Democrat administration they will all be back in government (crowned with progressive laurels) and able to run rampant again as they did during the later part of the Kenyan’s administration.

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    Steve, yes, the NTY thinks it's readers are stupid and they must think for them.
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  33. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SnakeEyes
    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    They have civil. Service protection

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  34. TTSSYF says:
    @LondonBob
    Didn't pan out for JFK that approach. The Mueller nonsense is certainly meant to hobble Trump, all about the midterms for the Donald.

    But at the same time, I think Trump may be allowing it to go on as a means of motivating his supporters to vote in November.

    Also, he may be giving Mueller and his gang, as well as Brennan, Clapper, Comey, etc, all the rope they need to hang themselves by continuing to talk on the record…sort of like when he told the media he had a big announcement and then proceeded to have the veterans speak and be praised for 15 minutes or more while the media covered it all, much to their chagrin.

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    This.
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  35. The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the “achievements” that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

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    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

     

    Perfidious Albion Through the Foggy Dew:

    While Brittania's Huns with their long-range guns

    Sailed in through the foggy dew

    The English Are Sneaky Bastards -- I't Can't Be Refuted

    I Love The English And The Irish Just The Same!

    Teutonic Twats They Are, The English, Including Some Of My Own Ancestors!
    , @DFH
    Stay mad taig
    , @Robert Hume
    Newton, Watt, Adam Smith, Maxwell, Darwin, Rutherford, Dirac, Turing, etc.

    Maybe I don’t get your point.
    , @unpc downunder
    The problem with the English is they haven't had to deal with a foreign invasion since 1066 (and have never been overrun by non-whites). Not being invaded for a thousand years breeds complacency and arrogance (particularly when a lot of the Norman invaders are now part of the ruling class). The US, Canada, Sweden, and Australia are now going down the same path. They have never really been invaded, and so they can't see the danger in invite/invade politics.

    Countries which have never been overrun by foreigners tend to be arrogant and imperialistic. White countries which have never been overrun by non-whites don't see the danger in being overrun by non-whites
    , @LondonBob
    Brennan, Comey, O'Bama, don't know about Clapper, sounds very Irish to me.
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  36. bomag says:
    @SnakeEyes
    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    …power to fire…

    I suppose if the people had power, we’d vote in representatives that would defund and defang these and other agencies.

    But it is the opposite in this day and age of the deep state: every crisis equates to calls for more spending, more agencies (HomeLand Security {cough}).

    If Trump fired fifty administrators, I’m sure congress would create and fund one hundred new positions the next day.

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  37. sayless says:
    @dearieme
    "At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?"

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.

    “kinder way to stage a coup”

    Yes. One more political assassination might have been over the top.

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  38. Garlic says:

    By the NYT’s logic, the Rosenbergs weren’t spies either: they were just investigating atomic research.

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  39. Carol says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
     
    There are different theories. H.R. "Bob" Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O'Brien. O'Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O'Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean's wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event..........................who cares?

    Watergate was the template for a way to take down or at least cripple a president. Tried again with Iran Contra, turnabout against Clinton, then the endless Scooter Libby nonsense.

    It was fun for a naif like me at the time, but how serious was Watergate, really?

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  40. The Z Blog says: • Website

    The guy who runs Conservative Tree House figured this out a week ago: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/11/the-insurance-policy-the-ec-the-2016-fbi-counterintel-operation-and-the-mysterious-informant-who-originated-brennans-ec/

    He used publicly available news stories. This circles back to the claim that the people in elite media are super smart. Steve had a post on that a while ago. How is it that super smart people have been baffled by this scandal, despite it being plainly obvious all along? Not for nothin’, but I wrote when this started after the election that the “Russian hacking” stuff was cover for FBI malfeasance.

    Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this. The ruling class no longer has the stomach to police their own ranks, mostly because they fear the lunatics more than lawlessness. We’re a click or two away from having judges gunned down in the streets, because they have become trouble for the mob in charge. Hell, it’s most likely they extorted John Roberts into flipping on the ObamaCare ruling.

    This is what late empire looks like.

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    "Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this."

    Sadly, I think you are correct. They will get away with it. When they do, they will know they are completely bulletproof.

    At that point, our side needs to be thinking about what can be done. I don't have the answers.

    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive. And I'm not talking about the phony alt-right "media stars" who are obviously in it for the money, fame, and personal glory.

    Are there such men out there? And are there enough of them?
    , @PapayaSF
    You are too cynical, Z Man. It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond. He and Sessions have been planning this for over a year. Lots of Democrats will be indicted. Obama himself may not be, but he'll be forever disgraced. Hillary might well be headed for prison. The MSM will be humiliated. I foresee some sort of political realignment. The pearl-clutching and tears on the left will be epic.
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  41. Corvinus says:

    I see that Mr. Sailer had to give a token NOTICE to the Trump investigation and throw a bone to the conspiracy theorists. Again, he is wisely keeping his distance, as even he knows it will more than likely end badly for Trump and his cronies.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter. Mueller is apparently running a textbook operation here.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    Yes, that sounds about your speed: "Educate yourself..............read a tweet."

    You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.
    , @Yak-15
    The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?

    Are they saving their intel methods for something more serious than the President of the United States being a Russian puppet?

    At this point they are basically throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up.
    , @Svigor
    Yeah, the text being "Flak for Dummies."
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  42. ziel says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Um... isn't Bay of Pigs the archetypal example of the Deep State having a handle on things only for some meddling idiot president to fuck it all up?

    Or am I just a sucker?

    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

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    Fair point. But what sort of numbskull would compromise by ordering the invasion but vetoing the air attack?
    , @Anon
    That’s the conventional wisdom and for once it’s absolutely right.
    , @Carol
    Oh, rather like how our armchair revolutionaries assume we flyover rubes will hit the streets in civil war against this or that theft of freedom by the progs.

    I'm afraid not.
    , @Stan Adams

    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.
     
    Remember Operation Iraqi Freedom? Jorge Doble-V Arbusto told us Saddam Hussein had huge stockpiles of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that he was going to launch against us at any moment, and insisted it was absolutely vital that we invade Iraq immediately to eliminate them. He also told us that the downtrodden Iraqis would greet American troops as liberators, and that Saddam's regime would all but collapse as soon as we crossed the border. Then the Shiites, the Sunnis, and the Kurds would join together in an orgy of love and march merrily onward to a shared future of peace and prosperity. Gud feelz for everyone!

    This would be the same Jorge Doble-V Arbusto whose daddy was head of the CIA back in the day.
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  43. I’m beginning to suspect that the Russia collusion was planted into the campaign by the Deep State as a pretext to spy on it, rather than what we’ve been told about a chance encounter between an Aussie diplomat and a drunk low-level staffer in London. Of course if you had an asset on the inside of a campaign of neophytes and outsiders you could spread the “Manafort is in touch with the Kremlin and they’re going to release Hillary’s emails on his order” rumor broadly, and of course 30 year old idiots are going to gab about it to seem important in bars. Then you’d have created the pretext for the spying you always wanted to do.

    Setting the meeting with Don Jr. was probably just icing on the cake to ensnare one of DJT’s close family members for leverage against him.

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    Yes, this theory is being floated re Joseph Mifsud, who mysteriously disappeared last autumn. Mifsud fed the email info to Papadopoulos.

    One view of Mifsud is that he has ties to Russia and so was legitimately trying to feed info to the Trump campaign via its foreign policy adviser.

    However, there is an alternate theory (based on the fact that at least one of Mifsud's associates was a rabid Hillary supporter) that Mifsud fed the info on purpose in order to instigate some event that could be a pretext to spy on the Trump campaign. The question in this case is how Mifsud would have known about the stolen emails, although if he were in contact with the Clinton campaign, that could be an avenue.

    If only Mifsud hadn't disappeared!!
    , @Autochthon
    Speaking of Don, Jr. – and Senior, and Daniels, and Hicks, and Waters, and Guilfoyle, and The Mooch – what's up with all the salaciousness, scandal, divorces, etc. with this administration and Fox News.

    Seems the metaphorical critique about the media being in bed with the government is more and more literal. What's next? Cavuto turns out to be creeping with Kellyanne Conway? Crazy.
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  44. Jack Posobiec Is An Untrustworthy Dope

    But,

    This Is A Good Tweet:

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  45. My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    Yes, providing air support would’ve been a case of throwing away good money after bad, as it were. Castro had substantial popular support, and Kennedy made the right call in that respect. His mistake was allowing the invasion to proceed in any form at all.

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    Inherited the plan from Ike admin...wasn't sure what to do with it......lol
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  46. Brennan and Comey and Clapper and Rice and Obama and so many more treasonous rats.

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  47. Let’s not forget about John “Kerry” Kohn in all this treason!

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  48. dearieme says:
    @ziel
    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    Fair point. But what sort of numbskull would compromise by ordering the invasion but vetoing the air attack?

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    Good question. How much foreknowledge/authorisation did Kennedy give to Bay of Pigs? Did he wake up one morning to find that Cuban exiles had attacked Cuba and the CIA wanted airstrikes?
    , @Dan Hayes
    dearieme:

    By cancelling air support JFK literally guaranteed the invader's deaths and imprisonments.
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  49. @Lot
    I will never get back the 2 minutes of Googling it took me to figure out what you meant!

    Here's the article about the "Trump mole" that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Here is an great 1983 NYT article mentioning the deep state conspiracy full of ex-CIA people against Jimmy Carter that featured Helper, which was amusingly exposed when a memorabilia seeker found evidence of it while looking through Ronnie's 1980 campaign's trash cans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html

    The name of the mole is irrelevant.

    The reason for this article (per Andrew McCarthy’s invaluable commentary) is that the FBI can’t open a criminal investigation without a criminal charge to pursue, so it opened a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign because it didn’t have any criminal charges. However, counterintelligence investigations are not supposed to be conducted against Americans, but against foreigners. So the NY Times is trying to help the FBI by getting ahead of the narrative and obscuring the fact that the FBI opened on inappropriate investigation on the Trump campaign.

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  50. theMann says:
    @dearieme
    "At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?"

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.

    “It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.”

    Precisely, although considering what a truly odious jerk Kennedy was, he was destined to clock out of the world in that manner, from somebody, somehow.

    Nixon, for all of his manifest faults and terrible soft socialist economic policies, was a True American, a committed Idealist for Peace, and a brilliant diplomat. And Deep State Washington just couldn’t stand that, especially the Idealist for Peace.

    Incidentally, if you ever want to have real fun with a Liberal, pull out the Articles of Impeachment, skip the first count, and read the eleven or so others SUBSTITUTING OBAMA FOR NIXON. (BTW, I have a lot of really effective ways to ruin a Liberal’s day, and that is just one of them.)

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    Nixon was the affirmative action section 8 president may he rot in hell forever and ever amen.
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  51. @Alec Leamas
    I'm beginning to suspect that the Russia collusion was planted into the campaign by the Deep State as a pretext to spy on it, rather than what we've been told about a chance encounter between an Aussie diplomat and a drunk low-level staffer in London. Of course if you had an asset on the inside of a campaign of neophytes and outsiders you could spread the "Manafort is in touch with the Kremlin and they're going to release Hillary's emails on his order" rumor broadly, and of course 30 year old idiots are going to gab about it to seem important in bars. Then you'd have created the pretext for the spying you always wanted to do.

    Setting the meeting with Don Jr. was probably just icing on the cake to ensnare one of DJT's close family members for leverage against him.

    Yes, this theory is being floated re Joseph Mifsud, who mysteriously disappeared last autumn. Mifsud fed the email info to Papadopoulos.

    One view of Mifsud is that he has ties to Russia and so was legitimately trying to feed info to the Trump campaign via its foreign policy adviser.

    However, there is an alternate theory (based on the fact that at least one of Mifsud’s associates was a rabid Hillary supporter) that Mifsud fed the info on purpose in order to instigate some event that could be a pretext to spy on the Trump campaign. The question in this case is how Mifsud would have known about the stolen emails, although if he were in contact with the Clinton campaign, that could be an avenue.

    If only Mifsud hadn’t disappeared!!

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  52. @Jack Hanson
    "Drumpf's a bumbler!" declares self important commentariat who hasnt been right since November 7th, 2016.

    Yeah guys, tell me more about how bad it is for Trump that he stands back while his enemies set themselves on fire. Explain this to me - his enemies are self destructing one by one and you guys are going eeyore. Shocker.

    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller’s investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.

    Also, to be fair to the eeyore crowd, his appointment of Gina Haspel is a head-scratcher. John Brennan is obviously an enemy and outright dishonest and corrupt. If I were Trump, I wouldn’t appoint anyone close to Brennan to any position in government. Haspel’s trustworthiness is further put into question by the fact she was the CIA station chief for London while all the shit was going down with Halper, Papadopoulos, Strzok, etc.

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    TBH, I have to trust that Trump knows something we don't. Which is also the source of my frustration here: a commentariat consisting of Boomer/Gen Xers who's stature averages out to "middle manager at a regional paper company" dismissing Trump as bumbling.

    Haspel might be another Kirsten Nielsen, who Breitbart and Mickey Kaus assured us was going to institute DACA by fiat and then turns around and says the President has no legal authority to reinstitute DACA and bullycides the AG into charging every single illegal entry with either 1325 or 1326.

    Unsurprisingly, like every other time the Eeyores are wrong, they shut up and move on to the next doooooom session.
    , @Svigor

    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller’s investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.
     
    Eff that. He should be cleaning house in the state security apparatus (that's what it is; "intelligence community" is a remarkably undeserved bit of auto-flattery). Mueller's got nothing to do with it. Letting himself be checked by the pressure is a huge mistake.
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  53. @Mr. Anon

    Here’s the article about the “Trump mole” that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/
     
    Thanks for the link.

    Halper? Halper? What kind of name is that, exactly?

    Oh, and he was a Bush family retainer too.

    Yeah, the connection with the Bushes is a real red flag. You can imagine how they felt when it became obvious Trump was going to prevent them from getting a 3rd family member into the White House.

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  54. Travis says:

    2 years of investigating Trump have revealed no evidence connecting his advisers to the hacking of the DNC or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts , such as the purchase of thousands of dollars of Facebook advertisements…

    Yet we know the DNC and Clinton colluded with the Russians to produce the Steele Dossier. The FBI refused to verify the dossier, yet used the Clinton funded “opposition research” created via Kremlin sources to obtain warrants to spy on the Trump campaign…

    The entire narrative promoted by the media and the Democrats is preposterous…there is no evidence of Russians “hacking” the election..no evidence the DNC was even hacked, let alone who may have hacked the DNC servers nor who gave the emails to wikileaks….this narrative could not be maintained, thus the media changed the narrative to Facebook advertisements, which is more absurd than the initial claims of hacking the election…

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  55. @Mishra

    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint “business friendly” judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class.
     
    Trump's not only not the reformer he promised he'd be, he's not a reformer at all. He's busy triangulating in that bumbling way of his, trying not to get impeached, or worse. The third-world invasion continues apace, and not only isn't it being reversed, it's not being stopped or even appreciably slowed.

    So the Ruling Class continues to get its way, which is sort of characteristic of ruling classes. The wreckage of our once-great society is well underway and thanks to this single policy feature, it'll be permanent.

    It turns out Trump is a maverick champion of the American people against globo-homozillionaire-immivasion the way Lenin and Stalin were champions of the Russian serf….

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  56. @Bill P
    The Brits ought to pay for interfering in our election. Sounds like this Halper guy was an MI6 agent as well as CIA. All this talk about Russia when British interference is all but standing naked in front of us. Since when did the USA become a commonwealth country?

    Yep and as you suggest it wasn’t just Steele. Remember the first reporting of this caper; Steele was an “ex-MI6″ spy who was acting rogue. Now it’s been unearthed that he’s part of a much bigger outfit called Hakluyt which is all ex-MI6 engaged in black ops for well-heeled corporate clients and electoral dirty tricks. Hakluyt’s leadership includes a who’s who of British spooks, including Robin Renwick and Mike Reynolds.

    This goes right to Theresa May.

    Their amateurish antics have cost the U.S. taxpayers tens of millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees and helped create a mass hypnosis over a story that amounts to nothing but fairies and unicorns.

    All this because Trump was seen as a NATO skeptic who had to be stopped. (“A virus,” the Brits called him)

    And to think: we defend these assholes (and did in the Falklands campaign). They’re a cancer on humanity.

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  57. @Jack Hanson
    "Drumpf's a bumbler!" declares self important commentariat who hasnt been right since November 7th, 2016.

    Yeah guys, tell me more about how bad it is for Trump that he stands back while his enemies set themselves on fire. Explain this to me - his enemies are self destructing one by one and you guys are going eeyore. Shocker.

    Most of us naysayers have nothing good, bad, or indifferent to say about Trump’s battles with his enemies, because it’s nothing to do with us any more than an employee’s nasty divorce concerns his employer. We elected him and we pay him to do work for us, and he is not doing it. Whether he keeps the house and gets custody of the kids after all (metaphorically speaking) won’t change the fundamental gripe that he’s not done a damned thing to help the company’s bottom line for more than a year.

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    "He won't build a wall with auto turrets via executive fiat so he hasn't done anything! BLUMPF!"

    Got it. You're obviously a very serious person with a grasp of US Civics and how the branches work, as well as understanding the context in which the Executive has a hostile deep state leveraging all its force against him.

    I mean yeah, he's only pushing them back by feet and yards, but according to internet user "autochthon" he should have already undone the last 30 years of globalist Marxism on January 22, 2017.
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  58. @Alec Leamas
    I'm beginning to suspect that the Russia collusion was planted into the campaign by the Deep State as a pretext to spy on it, rather than what we've been told about a chance encounter between an Aussie diplomat and a drunk low-level staffer in London. Of course if you had an asset on the inside of a campaign of neophytes and outsiders you could spread the "Manafort is in touch with the Kremlin and they're going to release Hillary's emails on his order" rumor broadly, and of course 30 year old idiots are going to gab about it to seem important in bars. Then you'd have created the pretext for the spying you always wanted to do.

    Setting the meeting with Don Jr. was probably just icing on the cake to ensnare one of DJT's close family members for leverage against him.

    Speaking of Don, Jr. – and Senior, and Daniels, and Hicks, and Waters, and Guilfoyle, and The Mooch – what’s up with all the salaciousness, scandal, divorces, etc. with this administration and Fox News.

    Seems the metaphorical critique about the media being in bed with the government is more and more literal. What’s next? Cavuto turns out to be creeping with Kellyanne Conway? Crazy.

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  59. @J.Ross
    This is objectively bigger and worse than Watergate. Watergate was over-enthusiastic underlings of Nixon breaking into an office in the hopes of violating doctor-patient confidentiality (which was effectively ended anyway under the last two administrations). This is will be understood by normies, and it comes as Inspector General Horowitz finds grounds to charge former officials. As "spy versus spy" as this gets was Awan caught attempting to flee the country after having been in charge of IT for the Democratic delegation to Congress. Still waiting for these exceedingly well hidden Russians to decloak.

    There are similarities between Watergate and what’s happening now. Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were involved in secret negotiations with the USSR and China, shutting out the CIA and the Pentagon. But the Nixon-Kissinger covert diplomacy was discovered through DOD electronic surveillance of the White House and CIA moles like John Dean. The coup d’état began when Howard Hunt led his team of anti-Castro Cubans into the break-in of the DNC offices at the Watergate complex.

    Trump is now subject to the same process by a new generation of national security state players — Brennan, Clapper, Mueller — because he defeated their candidate, Hillary Clinton, who proved to be a devoted servant to the sinister forces some call globalists.

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    The Weiner laptop has been ordered unsealed. I predict more mass media distractions.
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  60. PapayaSF says:
    @SnakeEyes
    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    Patience. Federal indictments take time, and Sessions and Huber need to get all their ducks in a row before they start indicting large swathes of the Obama administration. Plus, timing is everything: it’s better if the hammer comes down closer to the November midterms.

    Related snark: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8kjyrl/what_did_obama_know_and_when_did_he_know_it/

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  61. Lugash says:
    @Bill P
    The Brits ought to pay for interfering in our election. Sounds like this Halper guy was an MI6 agent as well as CIA. All this talk about Russia when British interference is all but standing naked in front of us. Since when did the USA become a commonwealth country?

    Halper’s dual US-UK citizenship is interesting. The first reference I can find to the dual citizenship is the Chuck Ross DC article, but nothing else really confirms it. Dual US-UK citizenship is rare, and even more so for US citizens to get it later in life. The only other time I’ve seen that it hedge fund scumbag Bill Browder, who got UK citizenship, then renounced his US citizenship as a tax dodge. So does Halper love the UK? Want cover if his MI6 work goes bad? Or is he setup for a payday and getting ready to renounce his US citizenship?

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    Hakluyt, the Anglo "Black Cube" equivalent where Stefan Halper worked, also once employed Peter Mandelson, who has been described as the Svengali of both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. It's pretty much the deep state hanging a literal shingle.
    Richard Hakluyt (I guess this is an English name. I would have bet it was a word from a certain language associated with starting all the wars in the world) was an Age of Exploration geographer and compiler of explorers' narratives.
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  62. @Matthew McConnagay
    Um... isn't Bay of Pigs the archetypal example of the Deep State having a handle on things only for some meddling idiot president to fuck it all up?

    Or am I just a sucker?

    Wrong.

    The CIA knew the invasion would fail and admitted it in writing in November of 1960!
    They weren’t stupid, and they had a fall-back plan, but one they knew Kennedy would never approve beforehand – send in the Marines.

    So, as the mission failed (as expected), in the heat of battle, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs would then present Kennedy with a way out of the mess, something they thought would be irresistable:

    “Rescue” with the mission with the overt use of the USMC and the USN! (a “joint Agency/DOD action”)
    Kennedy would then cave in and approve the use of our military to “save” the invasion forces, or so the CIA and the Joint Chiefs thought.
    .
    That was always the plan, except the CIA was dumbfounded the Kennedy wouldn’t take the bait. The CIA had considered it impossible the Kennedy would cut our losses rather then send in the Navy and the Marines.

    “CIA officials, from Dulles on down to the branch chief who ran the operation, professed this same belief but tacitly assumed that President Kennedy would commit US troops rather than let the Brigade be overrun.”

    That’s why they hated him – he didn’t do what they were trying to manuever him into.

    Don’t take my word for it – the CIA’s own internal history admitted it in documents declassified in 2005 – read it!

    The second cite below is from the CIA itself.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB355/bop-vol3_p149.pdf

    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter98_99/art08.html

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    The brass were contemptuous of him because of his lack of military command experience. (This was just after 8 years of Eisenhower.) They though he was a lightweight and didn't respect him.

    His youth and privileged upbringing didn't help either. He had to contend with all the usual stereotypes of being a rich man's son promoted above his abilities. This also counted against him with son-of-a-peasant Khrushchev and the communists.

    , @Matthew McConnagay
    Thanks!
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The Marines specialize in amphibious assault. Why not send them in in the first place, instead of fiddle-fracking around with the CIA?
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  63. @Pat Hannagan
    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the "achievements" that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhAysq3O6c

    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    Perfidious Albion Through the Foggy Dew:

    While Brittania’s Huns with their long-range guns

    Sailed in through the foggy dew

    The English Are Sneaky Bastards — I’t Can’t Be Refuted

    I Love The English And The Irish Just The Same!

    Teutonic Twats They Are, The English, Including Some Of My Own Ancestors!

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  64. kihowi says:

    I’m not a cleaner, I’m a hygiene technician!

    In journalism, there are roughly two types of people who do this kind of linguistic slight-of-hand.

    Jews who know what they’re doing.
    Goys who are somewhat illiterate and believe in the fetishistic power of words over reality.

    By Adam Goldman, Mark Mazzetti and Matthew Rosenberg

    Ah.

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    "slight of hand"
     
    Sleight.

    ~ an illiterate goy (who finds the usual Jewish word play underwhelming, and thinks the bit about words over reality sounds like Jewish projection)

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  65. @Lot
    I will never get back the 2 minutes of Googling it took me to figure out what you meant!

    Here's the article about the "Trump mole" that actually gives his name:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

    Here is an great 1983 NYT article mentioning the deep state conspiracy full of ex-CIA people against Jimmy Carter that featured Helper, which was amusingly exposed when a memorabilia seeker found evidence of it while looking through Ronnie's 1980 campaign's trash cans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html

    Since Halper is truly the insider’s insider, a Deep-Stater at the highest level, I wonder how Halper felt about President Richard Nixon when Halper was a young aide in the Office of Domestic Council in the early 1970′s, especially about Nixon’s 1972 attempts to wind down the Cold War in Vietnam, the USSR and China ?

    (The fact that the Deep State hated Nixon is not irrelevant here.)
    (And that same Deep State hates Trump is a just a coincidence?)

    Also, he’s a member of “Le Cercle” . . .

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle

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  66. kihowi says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/Daddy_Warpig/status/997509387605307394

    1) Immigration isn’t going to change anything, stop being paranoid. It’s just a few people.

    2) Ok, it’s a significant amount of people, but it’s only a minority and multicultural societies are wonderful.

    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?

    I can date any occasion in my life by how far along the immigration argument it was. I was in junior high during the tail-end of 1), finishing high-school during 2) and now we’re in 3).

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    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?
     
    I think there is more than one instance in history where one group kicked another group out of someplace and took it over because they believed it was rightfully theirs. But I just can't think of any examples recently.
    , @Anonym
    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?

    Sounds like a challenge.
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  67. DFH says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the "achievements" that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhAysq3O6c

    Stay mad taig

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  68. Ed says:
    @Lot
    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint "business friendly" judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class. I have a theory on how we ended up like this.

    There is no real way to defend the sleaze like Manafort and Page, who Trump let run his campaign for a few months. The problem is that the FBI should be looking at the nearly identical crimes by people associated with Hillary, not looking for "mortgage fraud" in Michael Cohen's HELOC because he said he'd use the money, which was fully repaid with interest, on home improvements. That's the point of having control of the executive branch.

    Trump seem to have made a horrible and obvious mistake not either forcing Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller or finding someone else who would. There would have been MSM complaints, but Trump is great at changing the subject and moving on.

    The reason he didn't do this is probably the 20 or so Senate GOP Trump haters said they'd vote to impeach him if he did. Thus, the Ben Sasse/Lindsey Graham block, an unpopular minority of the less popular party, got everything they wanted and nothing they didn't so far in Trump's presidency. This will likely remain the case for at least another year.

    The refugee program is on life support but here comes Lot with “Trump can’t stop the invasion!”.

    Look we are a country of laws, the president can only do so much absent Congressional action.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/refugee-admissions.html

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  69. Ed says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I'm watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF "Lot" declares how its doom o clock for us.

    Interior deportations up nearly 50%
    Crossings down
    Refugees down
    Visa admissions are tightening. I met a state dept lawyer who is flying to Nigeria in a few weeks to tighten up their interview process. She couldn’t get into specifics but it’s going to get a lot tougher for Nigerians to get visas to come here going forward.

    Isteve commentators: Trump is a cuck, he’s soft on immigration!

    They don’t deserve him at all. I’m of half a mind to root for the Dems in 2020.

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    Central Americans are getting tagged with months in prison for illegal entry and I have to hear Lot and others cry BLUMPF CUCK.

    Continue to stay irrelevant guys.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    If Trump were half as bad as his detractors in the press and elsewhere claim him to be, then immigrants are presumably mentally ill for wanting to come to a country that would elect him.
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  70. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ziel
    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    That’s the conventional wisdom and for once it’s absolutely right.

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  71. “Halper? Halper? What kind of name is that, exactly?”

    In his wikipeida entry there’s nothing about Stephan Halper’s shall-we-say-background (cough), but if you do a wiki search for “halper” you get the following: “Halper is a variation of the Jewish surname Heilprin and may refer to: (list of names).”

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  72. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann
    "It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas."


    Precisely, although considering what a truly odious jerk Kennedy was, he was destined to clock out of the world in that manner, from somebody, somehow.


    Nixon, for all of his manifest faults and terrible soft socialist economic policies, was a True American, a committed Idealist for Peace, and a brilliant diplomat. And Deep State Washington just couldn't stand that, especially the Idealist for Peace.


    Incidentally, if you ever want to have real fun with a Liberal, pull out the Articles of Impeachment, skip the first count, and read the eleven or so others SUBSTITUTING OBAMA FOR NIXON. (BTW, I have a lot of really effective ways to ruin a Liberal's day, and that is just one of them.)

    Nixon was the affirmative action section 8 president may he rot in hell forever and ever amen.

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    He was a hell of a lot better than Carter.
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  73. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    I see that Mr. Sailer had to give a token NOTICE to the Trump investigation and throw a bone to the conspiracy theorists. Again, he is wisely keeping his distance, as even he knows it will more than likely end badly for Trump and his cronies.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter. Mueller is apparently running a textbook operation here.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Yes, that sounds about your speed: “Educate yourself…………..read a tweet.”

    You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.

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    "Yes, that sounds about your speed: “Educate yourself…………..read a tweet.”"

    No, read a resource that contains analysis.

    "You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal."

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow. You really need new material. The show is getting stale.
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  74. @Pat Hannagan
    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the "achievements" that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhAysq3O6c

    Newton, Watt, Adam Smith, Maxwell, Darwin, Rutherford, Dirac, Turing, etc.

    Maybe I don’t get your point.

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    You left out Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, the Brontes, Dickens, Conan-Doyle, Orwell....
    , @Anon
    Did you deliberately make your list mostly non-English? 'Cuz you didn't have to, you know.
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  75. Carol says:
    @ziel
    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    Oh, rather like how our armchair revolutionaries assume we flyover rubes will hit the streets in civil war against this or that theft of freedom by the progs.

    I’m afraid not.

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  76. @Autochthon
    Most of us naysayers have nothing good, bad, or indifferent to say about Trump's battles with his enemies, because it's nothing to do with us any more than an employee's nasty divorce concerns his employer. We elected him and we pay him to do work for us, and he is not doing it. Whether he keeps the house and gets custody of the kids after all (metaphorically speaking) won't change the fundamental gripe that he's not done a damned thing to help the company's bottom line for more than a year.

    “He won’t build a wall with auto turrets via executive fiat so he hasn’t done anything! BLUMPF!”

    Got it. You’re obviously a very serious person with a grasp of US Civics and how the branches work, as well as understanding the context in which the Executive has a hostile deep state leveraging all its force against him.

    I mean yeah, he’s only pushing them back by feet and yards, but according to internet user “autochthon” he should have already undone the last 30 years of globalist Marxism on January 22, 2017.

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    Wow. I notice when anyone (not just me) makes a point about which reasonable persons can disagree in a civil manner and with rational arguments of logic and empiricism, you respond by ignoring the point, substituting some exaggerated, enraged rant that was never made by anyone, then writing a sarcastic, personally insulting response to the goofy rant you yourself originated.

    It's a fascinating rhetorical technique, to be sure, but I am dubious about its efficacy for anything except perhaps amusing yourself.
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  77. Carol says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.
     
    Yes, providing air support would've been a case of throwing away good money after bad, as it were. Castro had substantial popular support, and Kennedy made the right call in that respect. His mistake was allowing the invasion to proceed in any form at all.

    Inherited the plan from Ike admin…wasn’t sure what to do with it……lol

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  78. @Chrisnonymous
    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller's investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.

    Also, to be fair to the eeyore crowd, his appointment of Gina Haspel is a head-scratcher. John Brennan is obviously an enemy and outright dishonest and corrupt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't appoint anyone close to Brennan to any position in government. Haspel's trustworthiness is further put into question by the fact she was the CIA station chief for London while all the shit was going down with Halper, Papadopoulos, Strzok, etc.

    TBH, I have to trust that Trump knows something we don’t. Which is also the source of my frustration here: a commentariat consisting of Boomer/Gen Xers who’s stature averages out to “middle manager at a regional paper company” dismissing Trump as bumbling.

    Haspel might be another Kirsten Nielsen, who Breitbart and Mickey Kaus assured us was going to institute DACA by fiat and then turns around and says the President has no legal authority to reinstitute DACA and bullycides the AG into charging every single illegal entry with either 1325 or 1326.

    Unsurprisingly, like every other time the Eeyores are wrong, they shut up and move on to the next doooooom session.

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  79. @Ed
    Interior deportations up nearly 50%
    Crossings down
    Refugees down
    Visa admissions are tightening. I met a state dept lawyer who is flying to Nigeria in a few weeks to tighten up their interview process. She couldn’t get into specifics but it’s going to get a lot tougher for Nigerians to get visas to come here going forward.

    Isteve commentators: Trump is a cuck, he’s soft on immigration!

    They don’t deserve him at all. I’m of half a mind to root for the Dems in 2020.

    Central Americans are getting tagged with months in prison for illegal entry and I have to hear Lot and others cry BLUMPF CUCK.

    Continue to stay irrelevant guys.

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    Can you please cite evidence for your assertion that people are being incarcerated for months on account of they entered the F.U.S.A. unlawfully? I am not being sarcastic or insulting you; I am generally interested in these data.
    , @Lot
    The facts are the facts. Trump is a marginal improvement on Obama. The third world migration rate is down maybe 5-10%. That's small but still wonderful, and the alternative was Hillary ramping it up 20-50% over Obama's rate.

    It is also a fact that Trump's "day one" DACA repeal promise was an out and out lie. And it was 100% within his discretion.

    It is also a fact Trump has complete control on refugee admissions, and at the current rate he will admit about 150,000 mostly African and/or Muslim refugees in his first term when he could have made the number a big fat zero.

    It is also a fact that Trump has issued a bunch of TPS renewals. There was no legal justification for this, it was completely under his discretion, and he made the choice to keep giving Haitians, Somalis, etc work permits and deportation protection for another 18 months. Plenty of notice for a fraud marriage or am anchor baby.

    It is overall pretty disappointing by any standard other than "what would Hillary have done." It is also possible Trump's general sleaze factor and broken promises will bring down the House GOP that looked like it was secure for another 20 years due to the 2010 gerrymander. It was only the House GOP that stopped Obama's massive amnesty plans that would have increased the third world sourced population of the USA by an additional 30 million. So there is a real chance that in the medium and long term Trump causing more damage than Hillary, albeit unintentionally.

    I never actually expected Trump to keep the wall promise, because the Senate never would have funded it, and didn't really care. I did expect him to use all of his powers as leader of the executive branch to stop third migration on issues such as TPS, and it is this failure that stings.
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  80. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    But Hola also sells its free users’ bandwidth in another service called Luminati.
     
    Luminati! Tres Troll!

    In a way I feel like they can have them; regardless of how you feel about Zionism, if you voluntarily gave internet assets to Israelis, you deserve whatever you get.

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  81. @The Z Blog
    The guy who runs Conservative Tree House figured this out a week ago: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/11/the-insurance-policy-the-ec-the-2016-fbi-counterintel-operation-and-the-mysterious-informant-who-originated-brennans-ec/

    He used publicly available news stories. This circles back to the claim that the people in elite media are super smart. Steve had a post on that a while ago. How is it that super smart people have been baffled by this scandal, despite it being plainly obvious all along? Not for nothin', but I wrote when this started after the election that the "Russian hacking" stuff was cover for FBI malfeasance.

    Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this. The ruling class no longer has the stomach to police their own ranks, mostly because they fear the lunatics more than lawlessness. We're a click or two away from having judges gunned down in the streets, because they have become trouble for the mob in charge. Hell, it's most likely they extorted John Roberts into flipping on the ObamaCare ruling.

    This is what late empire looks like.

    “Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this.”

    Sadly, I think you are correct. They will get away with it. When they do, they will know they are completely bulletproof.

    At that point, our side needs to be thinking about what can be done. I don’t have the answers.

    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive. And I’m not talking about the phony alt-right “media stars” who are obviously in it for the money, fame, and personal glory.

    Are there such men out there? And are there enough of them?

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    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive.
     
    I have been saying this for a few years. Men between, now, 16-70 have woken up...they are not gonna let stuff just happen to their country. They all have children and grandchildren; many are property owners, many are business owners with hundreds if not thousands, of employees.... many run companies that are the back-bone of civilization for god's sake
    , @MBlanc46
    Not just intelligent and brave. But men wiiling to put their livelihoods on the line. Willing to put their family relationships on the line. Willing to put their lives on the line. A lot of them.
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  82. Yak-15 says:
    @Corvinus
    I see that Mr. Sailer had to give a token NOTICE to the Trump investigation and throw a bone to the conspiracy theorists. Again, he is wisely keeping his distance, as even he knows it will more than likely end badly for Trump and his cronies.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter. Mueller is apparently running a textbook operation here.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?

    Are they saving their intel methods for something more serious than the President of the United States being a Russian puppet?

    At this point they are basically throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up.

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    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.
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  83. George says:
    @Bill P
    The Brits ought to pay for interfering in our election. Sounds like this Halper guy was an MI6 agent as well as CIA. All this talk about Russia when British interference is all but standing naked in front of us. Since when did the USA become a commonwealth country?

    British swing the nomination to Willkie:

    Wendell Willkie: The “Miracle Man” of 1940

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/21537-the-miracle-man-of-1940

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    British swing the nomination to Willkie:
     
    With Ayn Rand's help.
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  84. @Jack Hanson
    "He won't build a wall with auto turrets via executive fiat so he hasn't done anything! BLUMPF!"

    Got it. You're obviously a very serious person with a grasp of US Civics and how the branches work, as well as understanding the context in which the Executive has a hostile deep state leveraging all its force against him.

    I mean yeah, he's only pushing them back by feet and yards, but according to internet user "autochthon" he should have already undone the last 30 years of globalist Marxism on January 22, 2017.

    Wow. I notice when anyone (not just me) makes a point about which reasonable persons can disagree in a civil manner and with rational arguments of logic and empiricism, you respond by ignoring the point, substituting some exaggerated, enraged rant that was never made by anyone, then writing a sarcastic, personally insulting response to the goofy rant you yourself originated.

    It’s a fascinating rhetorical technique, to be sure, but I am dubious about its efficacy for anything except perhaps amusing yourself.

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    The lady doth protest too much when his passive aggressive doooooming gets called out.
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  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan
    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    Yeah, it’s a real coincidence, like media over-reporting of mass shootings in an age of declining violence, or Assad celebrating victory by illegally gassing his own supporters in territories where his own soldiers might be affected.

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  86. J.Ross says: • Website
    @SunBakedSuburb
    There are similarities between Watergate and what's happening now. Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were involved in secret negotiations with the USSR and China, shutting out the CIA and the Pentagon. But the Nixon-Kissinger covert diplomacy was discovered through DOD electronic surveillance of the White House and CIA moles like John Dean. The coup d'état began when Howard Hunt led his team of anti-Castro Cubans into the break-in of the DNC offices at the Watergate complex.

    Trump is now subject to the same process by a new generation of national security state players -- Brennan, Clapper, Mueller -- because he defeated their candidate, Hillary Clinton, who proved to be a devoted servant to the sinister forces some call globalists.

    The Weiner laptop has been ordered unsealed. I predict more mass media distractions.

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  87. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Something had gone wrong at Lies, Incorporated. Somehow one of the lying machines accidentally produced truthful statements.

    http://time.com/25370/doctor-adhd-does-not-exist/

    Over the course of my career, I have found more than 20 conditions that can lead to symptoms of ADHD, each of which requires its own approach to treatment. Among these are sleep disorders, undiagnosed vision and hearing problems, substance abuse (marijuana and alcohol in particular), iron deficiency, allergies (especially airborne and gluten intolerance), bipolar and major depressive disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and even learning disabilities like dyslexia, to name a few. Anyone with these issues will fit the ADHD criteria outlined by the DSM, but stimulants are not the way to treat them.

    For my patients who are in the first category, I recommend that they eat right, exercise more often, get eight hours of quality sleep a night, minimize caffeine intake in the afternoon, monitor their cell-phone use while they’re working and, most important, do something they’re passionate about. Like many children who act out because they are not challenged enough in the classroom, adults whose jobs or class work are not personally fulfilling or who don’t engage in a meaningful hobby will understandably become bored, depressed and distracted.

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  88. @Steve in Greensboro
    The NYT must think its readers are stupid or perhaps desperate for soothing rationalizations for what is obviously a lawfare-based coup attempt.

    I am wondering why it is taking so long to indict and prosecute the coup-plotters, including (at least) Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Yates and their consiglieri and lower level thugs (like Strzok and Lisa Page). Perhaps Trump is delaying until the right time before his 2020 reelection.

    Regardless, it is important that these individuals and their entire gang be prosecuted, convicted and spend years in jail. Otherwise, during the next Democrat administration they will all be back in government (crowned with progressive laurels) and able to run rampant again as they did during the later part of the Kenyan's administration.

    Steve, yes, the NTY thinks it’s readers are stupid and they must think for them.

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  89. @Patty O
    I don’t get it.

    I don’t follow this Russia election interference infotainment by our Lyin’ Press, due it being just a big distraction. However, what Mr. Sailer is trying to get across is that this NYT writer is trying to convince us that (in this case) to “investigate” is any different from subterfuge, aka to “spy.” in this Deep State fiasco of intrigue.

    The cartoon should help, but only if you’d have read Mad Magazine that used to have a page long “Spy vs. Spy” cartoon each issue.

    I hope I explained that right. Otherwise, yeah, I don’t get it. ;-}

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    Pretty sure you nailed it.
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  90. @Pat Hannagan
    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the "achievements" that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhAysq3O6c

    The problem with the English is they haven’t had to deal with a foreign invasion since 1066 (and have never been overrun by non-whites). Not being invaded for a thousand years breeds complacency and arrogance (particularly when a lot of the Norman invaders are now part of the ruling class). The US, Canada, Sweden, and Australia are now going down the same path. They have never really been invaded, and so they can’t see the danger in invite/invade politics.

    Countries which have never been overrun by foreigners tend to be arrogant and imperialistic. White countries which have never been overrun by non-whites don’t see the danger in being overrun by non-whites

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    The French were invaded multiple times last century but they're just as enthusiastic about mass immigration as the anglosphericals.
    , @Rod1963
    England is run by the elites and always has been. They've never really liked their lower classes all that much. Thatcher has no qualms about turning the British blue collars into drugged out wards of the state and de-industrialized England in the process.

    Our elites here in the U.S. are no different.from the late 1800's, they are isolated themselves from the rest of society, their children attend exclusive boarding schools where they mingle with other scions of the elite class. Later they attend the Ivies where they find their mates and network to find jobs only meant for their kind of people.

    And they despise us. We are dirt people to them, they openly detest us and want us dead and gone. Endless articles in their propaganda organs like the NYT , NR, TNR, think tanks, extol this. They want to reduce the majority of humanity to docile serfs. Even HBD's mascot Charles Murray openly detests whites and wants them replaced by new Americans - which he means Hindu Brahmins and the like.

    It also why I think the HBD crowd is amusing and childish, they follow someone who wants them eradicated. They don't have any concept of a survival instinct. You don't these people anywhere near the levers of power.
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  91. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lugash
    Halper's dual US-UK citizenship is interesting. The first reference I can find to the dual citizenship is the Chuck Ross DC article, but nothing else really confirms it. Dual US-UK citizenship is rare, and even more so for US citizens to get it later in life. The only other time I've seen that it hedge fund scumbag Bill Browder, who got UK citizenship, then renounced his US citizenship as a tax dodge. So does Halper love the UK? Want cover if his MI6 work goes bad? Or is he setup for a payday and getting ready to renounce his US citizenship?

    Hakluyt, the Anglo “Black Cube” equivalent where Stefan Halper worked, also once employed Peter Mandelson, who has been described as the Svengali of both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. It’s pretty much the deep state hanging a literal shingle.
    Richard Hakluyt (I guess this is an English name. I would have bet it was a word from a certain language associated with starting all the wars in the world) was an Age of Exploration geographer and compiler of explorers’ narratives.

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    (follow-up to this: Peter Mandelson was closely associated with Hakluyt people but not known to be employed by Hakluyt.)
    , @Anon
    Hakluyt was probably one of those Scandinavian names from the invasions.

    It’s probably been anglicized to something like Hacklett by now
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  92. @Jack Hanson
    Central Americans are getting tagged with months in prison for illegal entry and I have to hear Lot and others cry BLUMPF CUCK.

    Continue to stay irrelevant guys.

    Can you please cite evidence for your assertion that people are being incarcerated for months on account of they entered the F.U.S.A. unlawfully? I am not being sarcastic or insulting you; I am generally interested in these data.

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    IIRC the Heretical Two were incarcerated for awhile after they entered the US completely legally and were kicked out for a UK "offence" (they spell funny on that dentally challenged lilly pad) that would have been constitutionally protected in the US.
    , @Lot
    Federal mandatory minimums are no joke. It is quite routine for a petty criminal from Mexico to be sentenced to 3 to 8 years just for illegal reentry after being deported. And if he had a little meth or a pistol on him, another 5-15 years on top of it. This isn't a new thing.

    The one part of our immigration enforcement regime that has always been plenty tough is this.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Get a PACER account and have a look at the federal dockets.
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  93. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    The problem with the English is they haven't had to deal with a foreign invasion since 1066 (and have never been overrun by non-whites). Not being invaded for a thousand years breeds complacency and arrogance (particularly when a lot of the Norman invaders are now part of the ruling class). The US, Canada, Sweden, and Australia are now going down the same path. They have never really been invaded, and so they can't see the danger in invite/invade politics.

    Countries which have never been overrun by foreigners tend to be arrogant and imperialistic. White countries which have never been overrun by non-whites don't see the danger in being overrun by non-whites

    The French were invaded multiple times last century but they’re just as enthusiastic about mass immigration as the anglosphericals.

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    The French were invaded multiple times last century but they’re just as enthusiastic about mass immigration as the anglosphericals.

    While that is true I suspect that the experiences.of the Visegrad group were a little harsher. Would you rather be French under the Germans or Poles under the Soviets?
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  94. Nice work Steve The NYT is a complete fraud Good to be back btw

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  95. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Wrong.

    The CIA knew the invasion would fail and admitted it in writing in November of 1960!
    They weren't stupid, and they had a fall-back plan, but one they knew Kennedy would never approve beforehand - send in the Marines.

    So, as the mission failed (as expected), in the heat of battle, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs would then present Kennedy with a way out of the mess, something they thought would be irresistable:

    "Rescue" with the mission with the overt use of the USMC and the USN! (a "joint Agency/DOD action")
    Kennedy would then cave in and approve the use of our military to "save" the invasion forces, or so the CIA and the Joint Chiefs thought.
    .
    That was always the plan, except the CIA was dumbfounded the Kennedy wouldn't take the bait. The CIA had considered it impossible the Kennedy would cut our losses rather then send in the Navy and the Marines.

    "CIA officials, from Dulles on down to the branch chief who ran the operation, professed this same belief but tacitly assumed that President Kennedy would commit US troops rather than let the Brigade be overrun."

    That's why they hated him - he didn't do what they were trying to manuever him into.

    Don't take my word for it - the CIA's own internal history admitted it in documents declassified in 2005 - read it!

    The second cite below is from the CIA itself.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB355/bop-vol3_p149.pdf


    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter98_99/art08.html

    The brass were contemptuous of him because of his lack of military command experience. (This was just after 8 years of Eisenhower.) They though he was a lightweight and didn’t respect him.

    His youth and privileged upbringing didn’t help either. He had to contend with all the usual stereotypes of being a rich man’s son promoted above his abilities. This also counted against him with son-of-a-peasant Khrushchev and the communists.

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    This podcast about the Cuban Missile Crisis is worth listening to. The contempt that the generals, especially Curtis LeMay, had for Kennedy is striking:

    https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-59-the-destroyer-of-worlds/
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  96. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Central Americans are getting tagged with months in prison for illegal entry and I have to hear Lot and others cry BLUMPF CUCK.

    Continue to stay irrelevant guys.

    The facts are the facts. Trump is a marginal improvement on Obama. The third world migration rate is down maybe 5-10%. That’s small but still wonderful, and the alternative was Hillary ramping it up 20-50% over Obama’s rate.

    It is also a fact that Trump’s “day one” DACA repeal promise was an out and out lie. And it was 100% within his discretion.

    It is also a fact Trump has complete control on refugee admissions, and at the current rate he will admit about 150,000 mostly African and/or Muslim refugees in his first term when he could have made the number a big fat zero.

    It is also a fact that Trump has issued a bunch of TPS renewals. There was no legal justification for this, it was completely under his discretion, and he made the choice to keep giving Haitians, Somalis, etc work permits and deportation protection for another 18 months. Plenty of notice for a fraud marriage or am anchor baby.

    It is overall pretty disappointing by any standard other than “what would Hillary have done.” It is also possible Trump’s general sleaze factor and broken promises will bring down the House GOP that looked like it was secure for another 20 years due to the 2010 gerrymander. It was only the House GOP that stopped Obama’s massive amnesty plans that would have increased the third world sourced population of the USA by an additional 30 million. So there is a real chance that in the medium and long term Trump causing more damage than Hillary, albeit unintentionally.

    I never actually expected Trump to keep the wall promise, because the Senate never would have funded it, and didn’t really care. I did expect him to use all of his powers as leader of the executive branch to stop third migration on issues such as TPS, and it is this failure that stings.

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    >claiming Trump can simply just "do this"
    >ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings
    >playing stupid about why Trump picks his battles
    >claiming hes quitting iSteve forever, still here

    Another day in the life of Lot.
    , @MBlanc46
    That’s a pretty reasonable assessment. Apparently he saw an issue that could make him a serious candidate for the presidency and he used it. But it wasn’t a principle, just an instrument. Sad.
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  97. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @kihowi
    1) Immigration isn't going to change anything, stop being paranoid. It's just a few people.

    2) Ok, it's a significant amount of people, but it's only a minority and multicultural societies are wonderful.

    3) Ok they've taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?



    I can date any occasion in my life by how far along the immigration argument it was. I was in junior high during the tail-end of 1), finishing high-school during 2) and now we're in 3).

    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?

    I think there is more than one instance in history where one group kicked another group out of someplace and took it over because they believed it was rightfully theirs. But I just can’t think of any examples recently.

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    Is this about the Indians?

    Alright, so whitey took the Indians land. And now their ancestors don't want the same to happen to them.

    So what? You'd prefer it if they lost voluntarily because...consistency? Ethics? Logic? That's not how it works.

    There's no miss congeniality in history. You don't get cosmic pats on the shoulder for disappearing honorably. I'm on the side of whitey and I want them to beat the other guys and not get beaten.
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  98. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    Can you please cite evidence for your assertion that people are being incarcerated for months on account of they entered the F.U.S.A. unlawfully? I am not being sarcastic or insulting you; I am generally interested in these data.

    IIRC the Heretical Two were incarcerated for awhile after they entered the US completely legally and were kicked out for a UK “offence” (they spell funny on that dentally challenged lilly pad) that would have been constitutionally protected in the US.

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  99. Lot says:
    @Autochthon
    Can you please cite evidence for your assertion that people are being incarcerated for months on account of they entered the F.U.S.A. unlawfully? I am not being sarcastic or insulting you; I am generally interested in these data.

    Federal mandatory minimums are no joke. It is quite routine for a petty criminal from Mexico to be sentenced to 3 to 8 years just for illegal reentry after being deported. And if he had a little meth or a pistol on him, another 5-15 years on top of it. This isn’t a new thing.

    The one part of our immigration enforcement regime that has always been plenty tough is this.

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    I don't mean to be argumentative, really I don't, but you've not cited anything. I don't care about drug dealers either; they are committing separate crimes taken much more seriously than is unlawful entry – to be sure, smart prosecutors are liable to find and use any aggravating circumstance or additional charge to hang their hats on, but I'm still unconvinced people are actually being incarcerated for months and months solely for unlawful entry.
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  100. Rod1963 says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Um... isn't Bay of Pigs the archetypal example of the Deep State having a handle on things only for some meddling idiot president to fuck it all up?

    Or am I just a sucker?

    Yeah the Deep State blew it.

    They went to Trump with the dossier and though they could blackmail him into resigning. Those spooks screwed up big time. Trump is a playboy and makes no bones about it and everyone knows. BFD. He knew they were blowing smoke then and there. Trump is a guy who deals with professional bullshit artists everyday of his life. I bet he sized up Comey as a gelded POS with stomach problems.(and he is, his wife and daughter are hard core Hillary supporters). You know he has manhood.

    That’s the price of arrogance. You don’t get smart sitting in a government office all day and having underlings polish your nob. Knowing no one can fire you. All these guys had a god complex.

    This is why the spooks get almost everything wrong. From the fall of the Soviet Union, 9/11 to the Iraqi WMD’s and the Pulse Nightclub. Good god if these guys ran a small business it would have caught fire and went bankrupt decades ago and they would be found dead in a Bangkok hotel with with a lady boy and a dwarf.

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    You're supposed to call them(the dwarf, not the lady boy) midg......little people.
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  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't follow this Russia election interference infotainment by our Lyin' Press, due it being just a big distraction. However, what Mr. Sailer is trying to get across is that this NYT writer is trying to convince us that (in this case) to "investigate" is any different from subterfuge, aka to "spy." in this Deep State fiasco of intrigue.

    The cartoon should help, but only if you'd have read Mad Magazine that used to have a page long "Spy vs. Spy" cartoon each issue.

    I hope I explained that right. Otherwise, yeah, I don't get it. ;-}

    Pretty sure you nailed it.

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  102. @ziel
    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    My understanding is that the premise behind the invasion, that it would trigger a popular counter-revolt against the Castro regime, was completely unfounded and thus the invasion was unlikely to succeed even if JFK had authorized air support.

    Remember Operation Iraqi Freedom? Jorge Doble-V Arbusto told us Saddam Hussein had huge stockpiles of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that he was going to launch against us at any moment, and insisted it was absolutely vital that we invade Iraq immediately to eliminate them. He also told us that the downtrodden Iraqis would greet American troops as liberators, and that Saddam’s regime would all but collapse as soon as we crossed the border. Then the Shiites, the Sunnis, and the Kurds would join together in an orgy of love and march merrily onward to a shared future of peace and prosperity. Gud feelz for everyone!

    This would be the same Jorge Doble-V Arbusto whose daddy was head of the CIA back in the day.

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  103. Rod1963 says:
    @unpc downunder
    The problem with the English is they haven't had to deal with a foreign invasion since 1066 (and have never been overrun by non-whites). Not being invaded for a thousand years breeds complacency and arrogance (particularly when a lot of the Norman invaders are now part of the ruling class). The US, Canada, Sweden, and Australia are now going down the same path. They have never really been invaded, and so they can't see the danger in invite/invade politics.

    Countries which have never been overrun by foreigners tend to be arrogant and imperialistic. White countries which have never been overrun by non-whites don't see the danger in being overrun by non-whites

    England is run by the elites and always has been. They’ve never really liked their lower classes all that much. Thatcher has no qualms about turning the British blue collars into drugged out wards of the state and de-industrialized England in the process.

    Our elites here in the U.S. are no different.from the late 1800′s, they are isolated themselves from the rest of society, their children attend exclusive boarding schools where they mingle with other scions of the elite class. Later they attend the Ivies where they find their mates and network to find jobs only meant for their kind of people.

    And they despise us. We are dirt people to them, they openly detest us and want us dead and gone. Endless articles in their propaganda organs like the NYT , NR, TNR, think tanks, extol this. They want to reduce the majority of humanity to docile serfs. Even HBD’s mascot Charles Murray openly detests whites and wants them replaced by new Americans – which he means Hindu Brahmins and the like.

    It also why I think the HBD crowd is amusing and childish, they follow someone who wants them eradicated. They don’t have any concept of a survival instinct. You don’t these people anywhere near the levers of power.

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  104. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Yes, that sounds about your speed: "Educate yourself..............read a tweet."

    You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.

    “Yes, that sounds about your speed: “Educate yourself…………..read a tweet.””

    No, read a resource that contains analysis.

    “You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.”

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow. You really need new material. The show is getting stale.

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    No, read a resource that contains analysis.
     
    And you referred us to..............a tweet.

    “You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.”

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow.
     
    Every belief you've stated here could have been lifted from a transcript of a show on NPR; those beliefs are liberal, doctrinaire, and shallow. You are not interesting. You are a dullard.
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  105. kihowi says:
    @Anonymous

    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?
     
    I think there is more than one instance in history where one group kicked another group out of someplace and took it over because they believed it was rightfully theirs. But I just can't think of any examples recently.

    Is this about the Indians?

    Alright, so whitey took the Indians land. And now their ancestors don’t want the same to happen to them.

    So what? You’d prefer it if they lost voluntarily because…consistency? Ethics? Logic? That’s not how it works.

    There’s no miss congeniality in history. You don’t get cosmic pats on the shoulder for disappearing honorably. I’m on the side of whitey and I want them to beat the other guys and not get beaten.

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  106. Corvinus says:
    @Yak-15
    The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?

    Are they saving their intel methods for something more serious than the President of the United States being a Russian puppet?

    At this point they are basically throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up.

    “The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?”

    Of course there is “real evidence”. What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    “The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up.”

    You are woefully ignorant.

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    You need to have something, to call it "made up." He doesn't.

    So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party's opposition during a presidential election; if there were anything there, it would've been started as a criminal investigation. It wasn't, so it lived its entire life as a counterintelligence operation.

    , @Mr. Anon

    Of course there is “real evidence”. What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along?
     
    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    You are woefully ignorant.
     
    One might say the same of you. Except in your case it is not mere ignorance, but rather willfull stupidity.
    , @J.Ross
    I don't think that Mueller is making it up because in that case there would be some manner of claim. You know, like if I claimed that Alyson Mack had agreed to name names, or if I claimed that Anthony Weiner's confiscated laptop was ordered unsealed, or if I claimed that Imran Awan was arrested trying to flee the country. Those are claims. "Russian collusion or interference" is not only not a claim, it isn't a crime.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Oh do tell Corvinus. Point us to the substance that demonstrates that Putin bought the election for Trump like Joe Kennedy Sr. bought JFK the 1960 Democrat nomination. You do understand that if Mueller brings down an elected president it delegitimizes all that follows. But then as a true believer in the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' that is just what you want, isn't it?
    , @Yak-15
    If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged. It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years. There are probably 250 agents or more working on sorting out this case. The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.

    Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?

    You seem like a smart guy but your bias against Trump is clouding your insight. Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.

    Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?
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  107. The end of the Cold War changed the nature, missions and competencies of our intelligence agencies. Lack of perceived immediate threats led to laxness. To borrow from Hannah Arendt, most “spying” and intelligence crap is really mundane. Banality of intel. Most real “spies” are very boring and unremarkable types, unworthy of Mad Mag illustrators.

    And we now have more foreign agents in the USA than ever before. But who cares?

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  108. Anonym says:
    @kihowi
    1) Immigration isn't going to change anything, stop being paranoid. It's just a few people.

    2) Ok, it's a significant amount of people, but it's only a minority and multicultural societies are wonderful.

    3) Ok they've taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?



    I can date any occasion in my life by how far along the immigration argument it was. I was in junior high during the tail-end of 1), finishing high-school during 2) and now we're in 3).

    3) Ok they’ve taken over but what are you going to do about it, whitey?

    Sounds like a challenge.

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  109. Svigor says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller's investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.

    Also, to be fair to the eeyore crowd, his appointment of Gina Haspel is a head-scratcher. John Brennan is obviously an enemy and outright dishonest and corrupt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't appoint anyone close to Brennan to any position in government. Haspel's trustworthiness is further put into question by the fact she was the CIA station chief for London while all the shit was going down with Halper, Papadopoulos, Strzok, etc.

    Basically, I agree with you. Why take a chance on angering Congress by getting rid of the special counsel? However, as soon as Meuller’s investigation is wrapped up, I hope Trump starts clearing house in the IC.

    Eff that. He should be cleaning house in the state security apparatus (that’s what it is; “intelligence community” is a remarkably undeserved bit of auto-flattery). Mueller’s got nothing to do with it. Letting himself be checked by the pressure is a huge mistake.

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  110. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous
    The French were invaded multiple times last century but they're just as enthusiastic about mass immigration as the anglosphericals.

    The French were invaded multiple times last century but they’re just as enthusiastic about mass immigration as the anglosphericals.

    While that is true I suspect that the experiences.of the Visegrad group were a little harsher. Would you rather be French under the Germans or Poles under the Soviets?

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  111. Svigor says:
    @kihowi
    I'm not a cleaner, I'm a hygiene technician!

    In journalism, there are roughly two types of people who do this kind of linguistic slight-of-hand.

    Jews who know what they're doing.
    Goys who are somewhat illiterate and believe in the fetishistic power of words over reality.


    By Adam Goldman, Mark Mazzetti and Matthew Rosenberg
     
    Ah.

    “slight of hand”

    Sleight.

    ~ an illiterate goy (who finds the usual Jewish word play underwhelming, and thinks the bit about words over reality sounds like Jewish projection)

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    Oh vat a putz I am to think I could get avay wid dis!

    Before you get too triumphant about my spelling mistake, that's not the kind of literacy I was talking about. I'm talking about using language as tool, not as a magical incantation that can have terrible and mysterious effects when you get it wrong. The kind of literacy that makes you comfortable with words, instead of being intimidated to a point where you lose sight of what it is they're describing.

    Oh and I'm not Jewish. My use of the word "goy" could have tipped you off because they barely ever use it themselves. Having an idea about when words are used is also part of that kind of literacy.
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  112. @Autochthon
    Wow. I notice when anyone (not just me) makes a point about which reasonable persons can disagree in a civil manner and with rational arguments of logic and empiricism, you respond by ignoring the point, substituting some exaggerated, enraged rant that was never made by anyone, then writing a sarcastic, personally insulting response to the goofy rant you yourself originated.

    It's a fascinating rhetorical technique, to be sure, but I am dubious about its efficacy for anything except perhaps amusing yourself.

    The lady doth protest too much when his passive aggressive doooooming gets called out.

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  113. @Warner
    To investigate, not spy.

    To decipher, not decode.

    To persuade, not influence.

    To mutilate, not disfigure.

    To incarcerate, not imprison.

    To construct, not build.

    To instruct, not teach.

    Any more? It's fun.

    I strangely find it works better when the second synonym, I mean obvious antonym, has less syllables than the first. It condescends but doesn't speak down.

    To decipher, not decode.

    I’ll give ‘em a break on this one. “Decipher” means reconstructing a message that has been made to be unread by scrambling of letters via some method. “Decode” is much more general and could involve many other means of a making a message unreadable to isn’t supposed to read it.

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  114. Svigor says:
    @Corvinus
    I see that Mr. Sailer had to give a token NOTICE to the Trump investigation and throw a bone to the conspiracy theorists. Again, he is wisely keeping his distance, as even he knows it will more than likely end badly for Trump and his cronies.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter. Mueller is apparently running a textbook operation here.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Yeah, the text being “Flak for Dummies.”

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  115. @Autochthon
    Can you please cite evidence for your assertion that people are being incarcerated for months on account of they entered the F.U.S.A. unlawfully? I am not being sarcastic or insulting you; I am generally interested in these data.

    Get a PACER account and have a look at the federal dockets.

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  116. Svigor says:
    @Corvinus
    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.

    You need to have something, to call it “made up.” He doesn’t.

    So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party’s opposition during a presidential election; if there were anything there, it would’ve been started as a criminal investigation. It wasn’t, so it lived its entire life as a counterintelligence operation.

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    "So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party’s opposition during a presidential election..."

    That's Fake News. An accusation that was made but not substantiated does not constitute truth.
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  117. @Lot
    The facts are the facts. Trump is a marginal improvement on Obama. The third world migration rate is down maybe 5-10%. That's small but still wonderful, and the alternative was Hillary ramping it up 20-50% over Obama's rate.

    It is also a fact that Trump's "day one" DACA repeal promise was an out and out lie. And it was 100% within his discretion.

    It is also a fact Trump has complete control on refugee admissions, and at the current rate he will admit about 150,000 mostly African and/or Muslim refugees in his first term when he could have made the number a big fat zero.

    It is also a fact that Trump has issued a bunch of TPS renewals. There was no legal justification for this, it was completely under his discretion, and he made the choice to keep giving Haitians, Somalis, etc work permits and deportation protection for another 18 months. Plenty of notice for a fraud marriage or am anchor baby.

    It is overall pretty disappointing by any standard other than "what would Hillary have done." It is also possible Trump's general sleaze factor and broken promises will bring down the House GOP that looked like it was secure for another 20 years due to the 2010 gerrymander. It was only the House GOP that stopped Obama's massive amnesty plans that would have increased the third world sourced population of the USA by an additional 30 million. So there is a real chance that in the medium and long term Trump causing more damage than Hillary, albeit unintentionally.

    I never actually expected Trump to keep the wall promise, because the Senate never would have funded it, and didn't really care. I did expect him to use all of his powers as leader of the executive branch to stop third migration on issues such as TPS, and it is this failure that stings.

    >claiming Trump can simply just “do this”
    >ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings
    >playing stupid about why Trump picks his battles
    >claiming hes quitting iSteve forever, still here

    Another day in the life of Lot.

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    I am not surprised you go for insults and snark in place of facts. Your motivation is kind of inscrutable though, lashing out on people who voted for Trump in both the primaries and general when they express disappointment at his failures and betrayals? What's the point? If Trump wants anti migration voters to like him, he should keep his promises to us. He hasn't. The only people he keeps his promises to are billionaires looking for tax cuts, polluting industries, and Israel.

    "ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings"

    It was completely predictable that a lower court would stay anything Trump did on immigration. After all, our side did the same to block DAPA, Obama's huge executive amnesty.

    It was always a question of what Kennedy would do on the Supreme Court, with most indications being he's largely side with us. Waiting more than a year to repeal DACA, Trump simply ensured that the question would take more than an additional year to be resolved by the Supreme Court, extending the life of it.

    Of course Trump has to pick his battles. I am disappointed that the one he picked is tax cuts for the 1%.
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  118. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Yes, that sounds about your speed: “Educate yourself…………..read a tweet.”"

    No, read a resource that contains analysis.

    "You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal."

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow. You really need new material. The show is getting stale.

    No, read a resource that contains analysis.

    And you referred us to…………..a tweet.

    “You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.”

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow.

    Every belief you’ve stated here could have been lifted from a transcript of a show on NPR; those beliefs are liberal, doctrinaire, and shallow. You are not interesting. You are a dullard.

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    I like your comments generally so am going to do you a favor.

    1) Scroll up to the first comment. Just above and slightly to the left is a blue box with "Commenters to Ignore". Click on this box
    2) In the text field that follows, type Corvinus, hit enter, type Rosie, hit enter, type Art Deco, hit enter, type Whiskey, hit enter, type Tiny Duck, hit enter. And so on and so forth.
    3) Click save. Your reading experience here will be greatly improved. Ignoring Rosie alone will approximately halve the number of messages.
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  119. The sources identified Stefan A. Halper, a campaign aide…

    …later elected Prime Minister of Canada. Succeeded by Justin Bieber.

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    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.
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  120. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.

    Of course there is “real evidence”. What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along?

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    You are woefully ignorant.

    One might say the same of you. Except in your case it is not mere ignorance, but rather willfull stupidity.

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    "What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about."

    Follow Seth Abramson. It's all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.
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  121. @George
    British swing the nomination to Willkie:

    Wendell Willkie: The “Miracle Man” of 1940
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/21537-the-miracle-man-of-1940

    British swing the nomination to Willkie:

    With Ayn Rand’s help.

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  122. @Ed
    Interior deportations up nearly 50%
    Crossings down
    Refugees down
    Visa admissions are tightening. I met a state dept lawyer who is flying to Nigeria in a few weeks to tighten up their interview process. She couldn’t get into specifics but it’s going to get a lot tougher for Nigerians to get visas to come here going forward.

    Isteve commentators: Trump is a cuck, he’s soft on immigration!

    They don’t deserve him at all. I’m of half a mind to root for the Dems in 2020.

    If Trump were half as bad as his detractors in the press and elsewhere claim him to be, then immigrants are presumably mentally ill for wanting to come to a country that would elect him.

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  123. @Lot
    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint "business friendly" judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class. I have a theory on how we ended up like this.

    There is no real way to defend the sleaze like Manafort and Page, who Trump let run his campaign for a few months. The problem is that the FBI should be looking at the nearly identical crimes by people associated with Hillary, not looking for "mortgage fraud" in Michael Cohen's HELOC because he said he'd use the money, which was fully repaid with interest, on home improvements. That's the point of having control of the executive branch.

    Trump seem to have made a horrible and obvious mistake not either forcing Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller or finding someone else who would. There would have been MSM complaints, but Trump is great at changing the subject and moving on.

    The reason he didn't do this is probably the 20 or so Senate GOP Trump haters said they'd vote to impeach him if he did. Thus, the Ben Sasse/Lindsey Graham block, an unpopular minority of the less popular party, got everything they wanted and nothing they didn't so far in Trump's presidency. This will likely remain the case for at least another year.

    …and sign massive tax cuts for the rich

    The best way for a rich man to commit treason is to send his full share of tax to the Potomac.

    Business interferes in government because government interferes in business.

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  124. @LondonBob
    Churchill made us a vassal of the US in 1940, MI6 were just doing what Brennan, Clapper, Obama et al wanted.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-is-pushing-us-into-the-arms-of-china-bw7bnj9d5

    It does look, Brexit apart, that this might be changing. Brexit was seen as potentially making us even more of a vassal, but it looks like we remain aligned to Europe. Of course my preferred choice of Swiss isolationism never gets a look in.

    Churchill made us a vassal of the US in 1940…

    … hardly to our own benefit.

    You’d think British and European anti-imperialists would do more to honor the Lindberghs, who did their best to keep us on our side of the water.

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  125. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT UK CPS uses royal wedding as distraction to “lose” video of child abuse victims describing their abuse. For the seventh time.

    https://archive.is/PfFIy#selection-1869.80-1869.122

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  126. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.

    I don’t think that Mueller is making it up because in that case there would be some manner of claim. You know, like if I claimed that Alyson Mack had agreed to name names, or if I claimed that Anthony Weiner’s confiscated laptop was ordered unsealed, or if I claimed that Imran Awan was arrested trying to flee the country. Those are claims. “Russian collusion or interference” is not only not a claim, it isn’t a crime.

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  127. snorlax says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The sources identified Stefan A. Halper, a campaign aide...
     
    ...later elected Prime Minister of Canada. Succeeded by Justin Bieber.

    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.

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    ROTFL, and spewing liquid 180 degrees :-)
    , @Reg Cæsar

    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.
     
    No, the vote of all peoplekind.
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  128. @J.Ross
    This is objectively bigger and worse than Watergate. Watergate was over-enthusiastic underlings of Nixon breaking into an office in the hopes of violating doctor-patient confidentiality (which was effectively ended anyway under the last two administrations). This is will be understood by normies, and it comes as Inspector General Horowitz finds grounds to charge former officials. As "spy versus spy" as this gets was Awan caught attempting to flee the country after having been in charge of IT for the Democratic delegation to Congress. Still waiting for these exceedingly well hidden Russians to decloak.

    Agree.

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  129. PapayaSF says:
    @The Z Blog
    The guy who runs Conservative Tree House figured this out a week ago: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/11/the-insurance-policy-the-ec-the-2016-fbi-counterintel-operation-and-the-mysterious-informant-who-originated-brennans-ec/

    He used publicly available news stories. This circles back to the claim that the people in elite media are super smart. Steve had a post on that a while ago. How is it that super smart people have been baffled by this scandal, despite it being plainly obvious all along? Not for nothin', but I wrote when this started after the election that the "Russian hacking" stuff was cover for FBI malfeasance.

    Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this. The ruling class no longer has the stomach to police their own ranks, mostly because they fear the lunatics more than lawlessness. We're a click or two away from having judges gunned down in the streets, because they have become trouble for the mob in charge. Hell, it's most likely they extorted John Roberts into flipping on the ObamaCare ruling.

    This is what late empire looks like.

    You are too cynical, Z Man. It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond. He and Sessions have been planning this for over a year. Lots of Democrats will be indicted. Obama himself may not be, but he’ll be forever disgraced. Hillary might well be headed for prison. The MSM will be humiliated. I foresee some sort of political realignment. The pearl-clutching and tears on the left will be epic.

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    "It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond."

    You really have been buffaloed.
    , @Anon
    One would hope. If you don’t mind my asking, how do you know this?
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  130. @Corvinus
    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.

    Oh do tell Corvinus. Point us to the substance that demonstrates that Putin bought the election for Trump like Joe Kennedy Sr. bought JFK the 1960 Democrat nomination. You do understand that if Mueller brings down an elected president it delegitimizes all that follows. But then as a true believer in the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ that is just what you want, isn’t it?

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    "Point us to the substance that demonstrates that Putin bought the election for Trump like Joe Kennedy Sr. bought JFK the 1960 Democrat nomination."

    There are several sources out there. Read for starters Seth Abramson. You have a lot of catching up to do.

    "You do understand that if Mueller brings down an elected president it delegitimizes all that follows."

    That was the same argument made during Watergate. In reality, it means that any elected official, including the president, is not above the law.

    "But then as a true believer in the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ that is just what you want, isn’t it?"

    The little pigs thank you for your strawman.
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  131. @Mishra

    A Trump too hobbled to stop the third world invasion but still able to appoint “business friendly” judges and sign massive tax cuts for the rich seems to be working out pretty well for our billionaire class.
     
    Trump's not only not the reformer he promised he'd be, he's not a reformer at all. He's busy triangulating in that bumbling way of his, trying not to get impeached, or worse. The third-world invasion continues apace, and not only isn't it being reversed, it's not being stopped or even appreciably slowed.

    So the Ruling Class continues to get its way, which is sort of characteristic of ruling classes. The wreckage of our once-great society is well underway and thanks to this single policy feature, it'll be permanent.

    Trump’s not only not the reformer he promised he’d be…

    Thanks for the view from Moscow, comrade.

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  132. @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL, and kudos for the Mad Magazine reference.

    I remain,

    Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman

    Okay, we all get the E. Newman, but does Achmed come from Beverly Hills Cop?

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    I've written this before, Charles, but it's time again, I guess: I really just put the name in when I was testing the unz site 1 1/2 years back to see which information (if real or not) I'd have to give it to start commenting.

    I saw this name somewhere online and found it hilarious. Due to it being in my head at the time, that's what I started with, and after some replies and all, I didn't want to change it. I cannot take credit for the clever name.

    Sincerely,

    Achmed E. Newman


    PS Unz did not require information in the way that Disqus and most other sites of "systems" do. It is the best commenting system in all respects that I have seen on the web. Thanks, Ron Unz.
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  133. @Jack Hanson
    "Drumpf's a bumbler!" declares self important commentariat who hasnt been right since November 7th, 2016.

    Yeah guys, tell me more about how bad it is for Trump that he stands back while his enemies set themselves on fire. Explain this to me - his enemies are self destructing one by one and you guys are going eeyore. Shocker.

    Agree.

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  134. @snorlax
    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.

    ROTFL, and spewing liquid 180 degrees :-)

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  135. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson
    >claiming Trump can simply just "do this"
    >ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings
    >playing stupid about why Trump picks his battles
    >claiming hes quitting iSteve forever, still here

    Another day in the life of Lot.

    I am not surprised you go for insults and snark in place of facts. Your motivation is kind of inscrutable though, lashing out on people who voted for Trump in both the primaries and general when they express disappointment at his failures and betrayals? What’s the point? If Trump wants anti migration voters to like him, he should keep his promises to us. He hasn’t. The only people he keeps his promises to are billionaires looking for tax cuts, polluting industries, and Israel.

    “ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings”

    It was completely predictable that a lower court would stay anything Trump did on immigration. After all, our side did the same to block DAPA, Obama’s huge executive amnesty.

    It was always a question of what Kennedy would do on the Supreme Court, with most indications being he’s largely side with us. Waiting more than a year to repeal DACA, Trump simply ensured that the question would take more than an additional year to be resolved by the Supreme Court, extending the life of it.

    Of course Trump has to pick his battles. I am disappointed that the one he picked is tax cuts for the 1%.

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    Can't tell if you're reacting with female passive aggressiveness or autistic literalism to try and pretend you don't see the very salient facts buried in the rhetoric.

    Again, Trump picking and choosing his battles in the face of an entrenched deep state is not the same as he won't do it. The fact you're too dense to see the tax cut (which you attack with lefty talking points!) as a benefit only underlines how little you understand or want to understand.

    Let us remember before your first "I QUIT FOREVER" moment, you said we were getting DACA for sure, Trump was going to sign an amnesty, etc etc. You're wrong, have been wrong, and have zero self reflection.

    Go back to your monomania on the JQ.
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  136. @Paul Jolliffe
    Wrong.

    The CIA knew the invasion would fail and admitted it in writing in November of 1960!
    They weren't stupid, and they had a fall-back plan, but one they knew Kennedy would never approve beforehand - send in the Marines.

    So, as the mission failed (as expected), in the heat of battle, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs would then present Kennedy with a way out of the mess, something they thought would be irresistable:

    "Rescue" with the mission with the overt use of the USMC and the USN! (a "joint Agency/DOD action")
    Kennedy would then cave in and approve the use of our military to "save" the invasion forces, or so the CIA and the Joint Chiefs thought.
    .
    That was always the plan, except the CIA was dumbfounded the Kennedy wouldn't take the bait. The CIA had considered it impossible the Kennedy would cut our losses rather then send in the Navy and the Marines.

    "CIA officials, from Dulles on down to the branch chief who ran the operation, professed this same belief but tacitly assumed that President Kennedy would commit US troops rather than let the Brigade be overrun."

    That's why they hated him - he didn't do what they were trying to manuever him into.

    Don't take my word for it - the CIA's own internal history admitted it in documents declassified in 2005 - read it!

    The second cite below is from the CIA itself.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB355/bop-vol3_p149.pdf


    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter98_99/art08.html

    Thanks!

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  137. athEIst says:
    @Rod1963
    Yeah the Deep State blew it.

    They went to Trump with the dossier and though they could blackmail him into resigning. Those spooks screwed up big time. Trump is a playboy and makes no bones about it and everyone knows. BFD. He knew they were blowing smoke then and there. Trump is a guy who deals with professional bullshit artists everyday of his life. I bet he sized up Comey as a gelded POS with stomach problems.(and he is, his wife and daughter are hard core Hillary supporters). You know he has manhood.

    That's the price of arrogance. You don't get smart sitting in a government office all day and having underlings polish your nob. Knowing no one can fire you. All these guys had a god complex.

    This is why the spooks get almost everything wrong. From the fall of the Soviet Union, 9/11 to the Iraqi WMD's and the Pulse Nightclub. Good god if these guys ran a small business it would have caught fire and went bankrupt decades ago and they would be found dead in a Bangkok hotel with with a lady boy and a dwarf.

    You’re supposed to call them(the dwarf, not the lady boy) midg……little people.

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  138. @Lot
    Federal mandatory minimums are no joke. It is quite routine for a petty criminal from Mexico to be sentenced to 3 to 8 years just for illegal reentry after being deported. And if he had a little meth or a pistol on him, another 5-15 years on top of it. This isn't a new thing.

    The one part of our immigration enforcement regime that has always been plenty tough is this.

    I don’t mean to be argumentative, really I don’t, but you’ve not cited anything. I don’t care about drug dealers either; they are committing separate crimes taken much more seriously than is unlawful entry – to be sure, smart prosecutors are liable to find and use any aggravating circumstance or additional charge to hang their hats on, but I’m still unconvinced people are actually being incarcerated for months and months solely for unlawful entry.

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  139. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross
    Hakluyt, the Anglo "Black Cube" equivalent where Stefan Halper worked, also once employed Peter Mandelson, who has been described as the Svengali of both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. It's pretty much the deep state hanging a literal shingle.
    Richard Hakluyt (I guess this is an English name. I would have bet it was a word from a certain language associated with starting all the wars in the world) was an Age of Exploration geographer and compiler of explorers' narratives.

    (follow-up to this: Peter Mandelson was closely associated with Hakluyt people but not known to be employed by Hakluyt.)

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  140. LondonBob says:
    @Anonym
    OT: Are you watching the train wreck of a wedding ceremony? /pol/ certainly is.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/172169974

    When our host made threads on the subject of the future Duchess of Sussex, he did nothing wrong.

    Wallace Simpson now looks in good in retrospect.

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    Shocking that with a moniker like "London Bob" you don't know that it's "Wallis".
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  141. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Achmed E. Newman
     
    Okay, we all get the E. Newman, but does Achmed come from Beverly Hills Cop?

    I’ve written this before, Charles, but it’s time again, I guess: I really just put the name in when I was testing the unz site 1 1/2 years back to see which information (if real or not) I’d have to give it to start commenting.

    I saw this name somewhere online and found it hilarious. Due to it being in my head at the time, that’s what I started with, and after some replies and all, I didn’t want to change it. I cannot take credit for the clever name.

    Sincerely,

    Achmed E. Newman

    PS Unz did not require information in the way that Disqus and most other sites of “systems” do. It is the best commenting system in all respects that I have seen on the web. Thanks, Ron Unz.

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  142. @Mr. Anon

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
     
    There are different theories. H.R. "Bob" Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O'Brien. O'Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O'Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean's wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event..........................who cares?

    The G. Gordon Liddy theory is on the right track, except it didn’t go quite far enough: the call-girls were part of a covert CIA operation to gather info on all kinds of bigwigs (from all sides and places) in Washington. The call-girl ring was at the Columbia Plaza Apartments, just down the block from the Watergate Complex. (Google “White House Call Girl” by Phil Stanford)

    I’ve never seen any good evidence that Maureen Biner Dean was actually a call-girl herself, but her friend “Heidi Rikan/Cathy Dieter” was the head of the thing, and was a CIA asset.

    That’s why James McCord made sure the break-in would be discovered: to keep amateurs like John Dean from stumbling onto a CIA operation. It’s also why McCord flipped a gasket in court when defense lawyers (naively) tried to blame the CIA for the break-in. It’s why McCord wrote the letter to Judge Sirica. It’s why CIA head Richard Helms flipped out when Haldeman tried to suggest that the CIA take the blame for the break-in (to tell the FBI to back off).

    But Nixon knew something very secret and very dangerous about E. Howard Hunt (something that Haldeman did not) and Helms knew that Nixon knew. And Nixon hinted that if the FBI really investigated the break-in, then the CIA would be in real trouble.

    And so, Helms and Vernon Walters did tell the FBI to back off – so the secret remained hidden.
    And so, by burying that secret, Nixon really did obstruct justice, in both the superficial media narrative, and in a much deeper sense to the American people and history.

    Nixon knew what the CIA had done and that knowledge doomed him.

    Most people don’t know what Nixon knew, but some of us certainly do . . .

    Here’s Oliver Stone’s take on it:

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    "I’ve never seen any good evidence that Maureen Biner Dean was actually a call-girl herself..."

    Exactly why Liddy's theory is punctured with holes. But what is a known felon to do but deflect any blame from himself?
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  143. Yak-15 says:
    @Corvinus
    "The NSA has complete information dominance in the United States and likely most of Russia as well. How are we two years into this investigation without any real evidence of Russia/Trump collusion?"

    Of course there is "real evidence". What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along? Complicated cases take time to develop. You have watched way too much Law And Order.

    "The initial premises of the investigation have turned out false and nothing is substance has turned up."

    You are woefully ignorant.

    If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged. It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years. There are probably 250 agents or more working on sorting out this case. The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.

    Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?

    You seem like a smart guy but your bias against Trump is clouding your insight. Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.

    Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?

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    Corvinus copied the black Egyptian from an African studies college text book which was nothing but lies anyway
    , @PapayaSF
    Correct. I'd go further and say that if there were any real evidence against Trump by now, it would have been fed to friendlies in the MSM and be everywhere 24/7. But in two years, tens of millions of dollars of DNC/Hillary opposition research, plus hordes of eager Trump-hating journos and bloggers and corrupt FBI agents has produced... zip.

    Corvinus argued that the ancient Egyptians were sub-Saharan Africans? LOL! Has he never seen the thousands of portraits and sculptures from those times? You can find some Nubians, sure, but they aren't the pharaohs or the bulk of the people represented.
    , @Corvinus
    "If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged."

    That's not how prosecutions work. It took several years to bring down certain mobsters. Complicated cases require meticulous work. You are being decidedly naive here if you think there must be a schedule that must be met in order for a case to be legitimate.

    "It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years."

    Actually, it does take that long. One needs to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony.

    "The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing."

    Remotely interesting to you. The quick revealing of smoking guns are rare in these types of cases. There are so many moving parts and side stories it makes one's head spin. You are really out of your league here.

    "Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?"

    Clearly he had help from literally dozens of people. The same argument was made about Nixon. Listen, the truth will come out eventually. If it is proven that the case is essentially about nothing, the GOP will steamroll in 2020, and the Democrats will be crippled. But if we find out definitively that the numerous accusations are true, and signs definitively point that they are true, then the GOP is cooked and Trump is done.

    "Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?"

    That's exactly what I do. It's just that a number of people here lack sophistication. Something about being a deplorable...

    "Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies."

    You're going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

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  144. So, Plan A was to claim that revealing Halper would endanger his life, then invite Nunes and Gowdy to a meeting. After the meeting, leak Halper’s name and blame Nunes and Gowdy for the leak. Then silence Halper. Nunes and Gowdy would have taken the blame, but they refused the bait and wouldn’t attend the meeting.

    Any insight on Plan B?

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  145. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The brass were contemptuous of him because of his lack of military command experience. (This was just after 8 years of Eisenhower.) They though he was a lightweight and didn't respect him.

    His youth and privileged upbringing didn't help either. He had to contend with all the usual stereotypes of being a rich man's son promoted above his abilities. This also counted against him with son-of-a-peasant Khrushchev and the communists.

    This podcast about the Cuban Missile Crisis is worth listening to. The contempt that the generals, especially Curtis LeMay, had for Kennedy is striking:

    https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-59-the-destroyer-of-worlds/

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  146. @Lot
    I am not surprised you go for insults and snark in place of facts. Your motivation is kind of inscrutable though, lashing out on people who voted for Trump in both the primaries and general when they express disappointment at his failures and betrayals? What's the point? If Trump wants anti migration voters to like him, he should keep his promises to us. He hasn't. The only people he keeps his promises to are billionaires looking for tax cuts, polluting industries, and Israel.

    "ignoring that he has to deal with an out of control judiciary who thinks its a king and makes insane rulings"

    It was completely predictable that a lower court would stay anything Trump did on immigration. After all, our side did the same to block DAPA, Obama's huge executive amnesty.

    It was always a question of what Kennedy would do on the Supreme Court, with most indications being he's largely side with us. Waiting more than a year to repeal DACA, Trump simply ensured that the question would take more than an additional year to be resolved by the Supreme Court, extending the life of it.

    Of course Trump has to pick his battles. I am disappointed that the one he picked is tax cuts for the 1%.

    Can’t tell if you’re reacting with female passive aggressiveness or autistic literalism to try and pretend you don’t see the very salient facts buried in the rhetoric.

    Again, Trump picking and choosing his battles in the face of an entrenched deep state is not the same as he won’t do it. The fact you’re too dense to see the tax cut (which you attack with lefty talking points!) as a benefit only underlines how little you understand or want to understand.

    Let us remember before your first “I QUIT FOREVER” moment, you said we were getting DACA for sure, Trump was going to sign an amnesty, etc etc. You’re wrong, have been wrong, and have zero self reflection.

    Go back to your monomania on the JQ.

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    The "lefty talking points" on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.

    I did not say "we were getting DACA for sure." We have it now, but my guess is that in a few months the Supreme Court will reverse the injunction pending appeal and then in another year or two uphold the repeal. I am mildly worried that Trump will sign a "Dreamer" amnesty given he has said he would. Even then, there are possible concessions on chain migration and eliminating the diversity visa that could offset a limited amnesty.

    Question for you: would Trump have belatedly kept his "Day 1" DACA repeal promise without the endless criticism from Coulter, Breitbart, and similar sources? I hope he would have, but hard to say. The lack of pushback on his renewing Haiti's TPS status was disappointing and now it is being repeated, most recently for Honduras.

    As for my alleged monomania, while I agree with Trump's Israel policy, I'd take a BDSer in the white house if he were a nationalist focused on shutting down third world migration to the US and adopting eugenic natalist tax cuts focused on the middle and upper middle class. Israel is an important part of the West, but the USA is its heart, brain, and muscle, and we have continued to Brazilify under Trump.
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  147. Corvinus says:
    @Svigor
    You need to have something, to call it "made up." He doesn't.

    So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party's opposition during a presidential election; if there were anything there, it would've been started as a criminal investigation. It wasn't, so it lived its entire life as a counterintelligence operation.

    “So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party’s opposition during a presidential election…”

    That’s Fake News. An accusation that was made but not substantiated does not constitute truth.

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    That’s Fake News.
     
    You write like Cher.

    An accusation that was made but not substantiated does not constitute truth.
     
    There is more substantiation for what Svigor claimed than there is for the notion that Trump is a Putin stooge.

    You really need to read this:

    https://www.dianetics.org/

    You'd fit right in. Get back to us when you're an OT VIII.

    Clown.
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  148. Corvinus says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Oh do tell Corvinus. Point us to the substance that demonstrates that Putin bought the election for Trump like Joe Kennedy Sr. bought JFK the 1960 Democrat nomination. You do understand that if Mueller brings down an elected president it delegitimizes all that follows. But then as a true believer in the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' that is just what you want, isn't it?

    “Point us to the substance that demonstrates that Putin bought the election for Trump like Joe Kennedy Sr. bought JFK the 1960 Democrat nomination.”

    There are several sources out there. Read for starters Seth Abramson. You have a lot of catching up to do.

    “You do understand that if Mueller brings down an elected president it delegitimizes all that follows.”

    That was the same argument made during Watergate. In reality, it means that any elected official, including the president, is not above the law.

    “But then as a true believer in the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ that is just what you want, isn’t it?”

    The little pigs thank you for your strawman.

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  149. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course there is “real evidence”. What, do you truly believe that Mueller and company are making it up as we go along?
     
    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    You are woefully ignorant.
     
    One might say the same of you. Except in your case it is not mere ignorance, but rather willfull stupidity.

    “What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.”

    Follow Seth Abramson. It’s all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.

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    Seth Abramson
     
    LOL. I suggest you follow https://theconservativetreehouse.com

    One of the reasons this "two movies on one screen" is so interesting to me is that it will become clear which movie is correct by the November midterms. If I am right, a bunch of Democrats will be caught in this scandal and indicted before then. If I'm wrong, they won't be. We shall see....
    , @Mr. Anon

    Follow Seth Abramson. It’s all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.
     
    No, I don't have to follow your particular favorite internet crush.

    Summarize his claims. If there is something there, surely it can be summarized.

    Or shut up about it, you prating ass-hat.
    , @Anon
    I read Seth Abramson and I have these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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  150. Corvinus says:
    @PapayaSF
    You are too cynical, Z Man. It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond. He and Sessions have been planning this for over a year. Lots of Democrats will be indicted. Obama himself may not be, but he'll be forever disgraced. Hillary might well be headed for prison. The MSM will be humiliated. I foresee some sort of political realignment. The pearl-clutching and tears on the left will be epic.

    “It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond.”

    You really have been buffaloed.

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    Tell us how the Mueller investigation is going to prove something against Trump Real Soon Now.
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  151. kihowi says:
    @Svigor

    "slight of hand"
     
    Sleight.

    ~ an illiterate goy (who finds the usual Jewish word play underwhelming, and thinks the bit about words over reality sounds like Jewish projection)

    Oh vat a putz I am to think I could get avay wid dis!

    Before you get too triumphant about my spelling mistake, that’s not the kind of literacy I was talking about. I’m talking about using language as tool, not as a magical incantation that can have terrible and mysterious effects when you get it wrong. The kind of literacy that makes you comfortable with words, instead of being intimidated to a point where you lose sight of what it is they’re describing.

    Oh and I’m not Jewish. My use of the word “goy” could have tipped you off because they barely ever use it themselves. Having an idea about when words are used is also part of that kind of literacy.

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  152. PapayaSF says:
    @Corvinus
    "What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about."

    Follow Seth Abramson. It's all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.

    Seth Abramson

    LOL. I suggest you follow https://theconservativetreehouse.com

    One of the reasons this “two movies on one screen” is so interesting to me is that it will become clear which movie is correct by the November midterms. If I am right, a bunch of Democrats will be caught in this scandal and indicted before then. If I’m wrong, they won’t be. We shall see….

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  153. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about."

    Follow Seth Abramson. It's all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.

    Follow Seth Abramson. It’s all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.

    No, I don’t have to follow your particular favorite internet crush.

    Summarize his claims. If there is something there, surely it can be summarized.

    Or shut up about it, you prating ass-hat.

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  154. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "So far all the biggest revelations are own goals, e.g., the gigantic abuse of power of Hussein using the FBI/Stasi to spy on his party’s opposition during a presidential election..."

    That's Fake News. An accusation that was made but not substantiated does not constitute truth.

    That’s Fake News.

    You write like Cher.

    An accusation that was made but not substantiated does not constitute truth.

    There is more substantiation for what Svigor claimed than there is for the notion that Trump is a Putin stooge.

    You really need to read this:

    https://www.dianetics.org/

    You’d fit right in. Get back to us when you’re an OT VIII.

    Clown.

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  155. @TTSSYF
    But at the same time, I think Trump may be allowing it to go on as a means of motivating his supporters to vote in November.

    Also, he may be giving Mueller and his gang, as well as Brennan, Clapper, Comey, etc, all the rope they need to hang themselves by continuing to talk on the record...sort of like when he told the media he had a big announcement and then proceeded to have the veterans speak and be praised for 15 minutes or more while the media covered it all, much to their chagrin.

    This.

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  156. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond."

    You really have been buffaloed.

    Tell us how the Mueller investigation is going to prove something against Trump Real Soon Now.

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  157. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about."

    Follow Seth Abramson. It's all laid out. You also have a lot of catching up to do.

    I read Seth Abramson and I have these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    If you truly read Seth, you would have the answers, as it has been covered extensively.

    "Tell us how the Mueller investigation is going to prove something against Trump Real Soon Now."

    It's not about "real soon now". That is not how criminal investigations work. Prosecutors take time to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony. It's not a rush to judgement. These complicated cases, similar to the mob, may take months or years. Justice has no fasttrack timetable.
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  158. Art Deco says:
    @dearieme
    "At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?"

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.

    Unless you fancy the ‘coup’ was ‘staged’ by John Mitchell (who went to prison), there was no coup. Gordon Liddy’s crew were his employees. Mitchell had been Nixon’s law partner and was as personally loyal to Nixon as anyone.

    There was no coup in 1963 either, unless you fancy the military-industrial complex sought to replace one mainline Democrat with a somewhat more populist mainline Democrat just for kicks, subcontracting the job to a warehouse employee with delusions of grandeur whose most consistent and reliable talent was getting fired from whatever dead end job he was currently holding.

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  159. @snorlax
    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.

    On the stlength of the Chinapeeper vote.

    No, the vote of all peoplekind.

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  160. @Paul Jolliffe
    Wrong.

    The CIA knew the invasion would fail and admitted it in writing in November of 1960!
    They weren't stupid, and they had a fall-back plan, but one they knew Kennedy would never approve beforehand - send in the Marines.

    So, as the mission failed (as expected), in the heat of battle, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs would then present Kennedy with a way out of the mess, something they thought would be irresistable:

    "Rescue" with the mission with the overt use of the USMC and the USN! (a "joint Agency/DOD action")
    Kennedy would then cave in and approve the use of our military to "save" the invasion forces, or so the CIA and the Joint Chiefs thought.
    .
    That was always the plan, except the CIA was dumbfounded the Kennedy wouldn't take the bait. The CIA had considered it impossible the Kennedy would cut our losses rather then send in the Navy and the Marines.

    "CIA officials, from Dulles on down to the branch chief who ran the operation, professed this same belief but tacitly assumed that President Kennedy would commit US troops rather than let the Brigade be overrun."

    That's why they hated him - he didn't do what they were trying to manuever him into.

    Don't take my word for it - the CIA's own internal history admitted it in documents declassified in 2005 - read it!

    The second cite below is from the CIA itself.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB355/bop-vol3_p149.pdf


    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter98_99/art08.html

    The Marines specialize in amphibious assault. Why not send them in in the first place, instead of fiddle-fracking around with the CIA?

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    Because then you'd be directly invading, which is a different question. Compare all the propaganda flung around before the removals of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qadhafy. And yes, during the Banana Wars, the Marines were used precisely because of a legalistic loophole (the Army invades. When the Marines conquer your country, destroy the present government, and supervise the "election" of another, this is somehow not an invasion) but Kennedy and the American public were expected to not have gone for that. There's also the Soviets to consider.
    tldr Rescue sounds much more attractive than an unprovoked invasion.
    , @Anon
    It wasn’t supposed to be an American invasion The soldiers who landed in Cuba were all Cubans who fled to the US after Castro took over. The Cubans were supposed to rise against Castro.

    We do things better now. Nowadays it would be 3 tough American special forces & marines for every Cuban exile in the invading force
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  161. @Robert Hume
    Newton, Watt, Adam Smith, Maxwell, Darwin, Rutherford, Dirac, Turing, etc.

    Maybe I don’t get your point.

    You left out Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, the Brontes, Dickens, Conan-Doyle, Orwell….

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  162. @Anon
    Nixon was the affirmative action section 8 president may he rot in hell forever and ever amen.

    He was a hell of a lot better than Carter.

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  163. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Hume
    Newton, Watt, Adam Smith, Maxwell, Darwin, Rutherford, Dirac, Turing, etc.

    Maybe I don’t get your point.

    Did you deliberately make your list mostly non-English? ‘Cuz you didn’t have to, you know.

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  164. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The Marines specialize in amphibious assault. Why not send them in in the first place, instead of fiddle-fracking around with the CIA?

    Because then you’d be directly invading, which is a different question. Compare all the propaganda flung around before the removals of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qadhafy. And yes, during the Banana Wars, the Marines were used precisely because of a legalistic loophole (the Army invades. When the Marines conquer your country, destroy the present government, and supervise the “election” of another, this is somehow not an invasion) but Kennedy and the American public were expected to not have gone for that. There’s also the Soviets to consider.
    tldr Rescue sounds much more attractive than an unprovoked invasion.

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    Nothing attractive about the CIA telling Cuban expatriates, "Let's you and him fight. I'll hold your coat."
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  165. @SnakeEyes
    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    The weird thing is that Trump just stands by and tweets about this stuff. He has the power to fire whole swathes of the FBI and CIA.

    Trump is on house arrest in the White House, but he is allowed to watch Murdoch News and satellite porn, and tweet to give the impression that he is still in charge.

    The misspellings in the tweets are an attempt to show the world that he is being held hostage.

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  166. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    There’s some theory that somebody’s wife worked a bit as an escort girl before the marriage and the burglars wanted to steal a party girl list with her name on it.

    Another theory by Nixon fans is that it was a deep deep dark CIA operation against him because he pulled us out of Vietnam and CIA wanted to keep the war going

    So many theories

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    There’s some theory that somebody’s wife worked a bit as an escort girl before the marriage and the burglars wanted to steal a party girl list with her name on it.
     
    John Dean set it up because he wanted to see if his girlfriend's name was on the list. Nixon knew nothing about the burglary.
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  167. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme
    "At this point, nearly fifty years after the event……………………..who cares?"

    It was a kinder way to stage a coup than, say, shooting him in Dallas.

    Good one!!!! We can always rely on you for a great comment

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  168. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Hakluyt, the Anglo "Black Cube" equivalent where Stefan Halper worked, also once employed Peter Mandelson, who has been described as the Svengali of both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. It's pretty much the deep state hanging a literal shingle.
    Richard Hakluyt (I guess this is an English name. I would have bet it was a word from a certain language associated with starting all the wars in the world) was an Age of Exploration geographer and compiler of explorers' narratives.

    Hakluyt was probably one of those Scandinavian names from the invasions.

    It’s probably been anglicized to something like Hacklett by now

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    Hakluyt is a famous name in Anglo-American history. During Shakespeare's day, he wrote influential books promoting the colonization of North America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hakluyt

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  169. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @PapayaSF
    You are too cynical, Z Man. It really is far bigger than Watergate, and Trump is going to use it to smash the Democrats in November and far beyond. He and Sessions have been planning this for over a year. Lots of Democrats will be indicted. Obama himself may not be, but he'll be forever disgraced. Hillary might well be headed for prison. The MSM will be humiliated. I foresee some sort of political realignment. The pearl-clutching and tears on the left will be epic.

    One would hope. If you don’t mind my asking, how do you know this?

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    I am making a prediction, based on watching Trump for a year and a half. Once you've read Scott Adams on Trump, you realize he's very good at persuasion, and also a fan of Sun Tzu. I think I can see what Trump has been doing, and it'd be remarkable if he wasn't doing what I predict. Check out The Conservative Treehouse: they have a good reputation for figuring out things like this, based purely on analyzing open sources. They figured out the Michael Brown shooting long before the official report confirmed their findings.
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  170. @Anon
    Hakluyt was probably one of those Scandinavian names from the invasions.

    It’s probably been anglicized to something like Hacklett by now

    Hakluyt is a famous name in Anglo-American history. During Shakespeare’s day, he wrote influential books promoting the colonization of North America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hakluyt

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  171. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yak-15
    If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged. It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years. There are probably 250 agents or more working on sorting out this case. The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.

    Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?

    You seem like a smart guy but your bias against Trump is clouding your insight. Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.

    Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?

    Corvinus copied the black Egyptian from an African studies college text book which was nothing but lies anyway

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  172. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The Marines specialize in amphibious assault. Why not send them in in the first place, instead of fiddle-fracking around with the CIA?

    It wasn’t supposed to be an American invasion The soldiers who landed in Cuba were all Cubans who fled to the US after Castro took over. The Cubans were supposed to rise against Castro.

    We do things better now. Nowadays it would be 3 tough American special forces & marines for every Cuban exile in the invading force

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  173. Lagertha says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    "Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this."

    Sadly, I think you are correct. They will get away with it. When they do, they will know they are completely bulletproof.

    At that point, our side needs to be thinking about what can be done. I don't have the answers.

    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive. And I'm not talking about the phony alt-right "media stars" who are obviously in it for the money, fame, and personal glory.

    Are there such men out there? And are there enough of them?

    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive.

    I have been saying this for a few years. Men between, now, 16-70 have woken up…they are not gonna let stuff just happen to their country. They all have children and grandchildren; many are property owners, many are business owners with hundreds if not thousands, of employees…. many run companies that are the back-bone of civilization for god’s sake

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  174. PapayaSF says:
    @Anon
    One would hope. If you don’t mind my asking, how do you know this?

    I am making a prediction, based on watching Trump for a year and a half. Once you’ve read Scott Adams on Trump, you realize he’s very good at persuasion, and also a fan of Sun Tzu. I think I can see what Trump has been doing, and it’d be remarkable if he wasn’t doing what I predict. Check out The Conservative Treehouse: they have a good reputation for figuring out things like this, based purely on analyzing open sources. They figured out the Michael Brown shooting long before the official report confirmed their findings.

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  175. PapayaSF says:
    @Yak-15
    If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged. It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years. There are probably 250 agents or more working on sorting out this case. The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.

    Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?

    You seem like a smart guy but your bias against Trump is clouding your insight. Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.

    Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?

    Correct. I’d go further and say that if there were any real evidence against Trump by now, it would have been fed to friendlies in the MSM and be everywhere 24/7. But in two years, tens of millions of dollars of DNC/Hillary opposition research, plus hordes of eager Trump-hating journos and bloggers and corrupt FBI agents has produced… zip.

    Corvinus argued that the ancient Egyptians were sub-Saharan Africans? LOL! Has he never seen the thousands of portraits and sculptures from those times? You can find some Nubians, sure, but they aren’t the pharaohs or the bulk of the people represented.

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  176. @dearieme
    Fair point. But what sort of numbskull would compromise by ordering the invasion but vetoing the air attack?

    Good question. How much foreknowledge/authorisation did Kennedy give to Bay of Pigs? Did he wake up one morning to find that Cuban exiles had attacked Cuba and the CIA wanted airstrikes?

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  178. Dan Hayes says:
    @dearieme
    Fair point. But what sort of numbskull would compromise by ordering the invasion but vetoing the air attack?

    dearieme:

    By cancelling air support JFK literally guaranteed the invader’s deaths and imprisonments.

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    Wasn't the idea to start the obviously doomed invasion then force JFK to send in the Marines as it started failing? A lousy plan with one obvious flaw.
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  179. @Anon
    There’s some theory that somebody’s wife worked a bit as an escort girl before the marriage and the burglars wanted to steal a party girl list with her name on it.

    Another theory by Nixon fans is that it was a deep deep dark CIA operation against him because he pulled us out of Vietnam and CIA wanted to keep the war going

    So many theories

    There’s some theory that somebody’s wife worked a bit as an escort girl before the marriage and the burglars wanted to steal a party girl list with her name on it.

    John Dean set it up because he wanted to see if his girlfriend’s name was on the list. Nixon knew nothing about the burglary.

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  180. LondonBob says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    The english are the most detestable of all the White races.

    A one thousand year history of suppressing anything closely resembling White success.

    One would have to conclude after regarding all the "achievements" that they are completely unrelated to the rest of Europe and our races.

    A type of demonic demiurge forged in hell to undermine us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhAysq3O6c

    Brennan, Comey, O’Bama, don’t know about Clapper, sounds very Irish to me.

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  181. LondonBob says:
    @Dan Hayes
    dearieme:

    By cancelling air support JFK literally guaranteed the invader's deaths and imprisonments.

    Wasn’t the idea to start the obviously doomed invasion then force JFK to send in the Marines as it started failing? A lousy plan with one obvious flaw.

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    LondonBob:

    Until recently I would have thought it somewhat of a stretch to start an obviously doomed invasion for the purposes of eventually sending in the Marines. But now I'm not so sure in view of what we've recently been learning about the operations of the Deep State.
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  182. @Jack Hanson
    I'm watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF "Lot" declares how its doom o clock for us.

    I’m watching these guys crash and burn and internet JIDF “Lot” declares how its doom o clock for us.

    I had to Google the JIDF bit. JIDF is Jewish Internet Defense Force.

    Why is there no WIDF — Whitey Internet Defense Force?

    Back To Blood Is Heating Up!

    Trumpy Is Hastening The Explicit Whitey Day Of Reckoning!

    Trumpy has been weak on immigration. We want to love Trumpy, but Trumpy has made himself unlovable by being weak on immigration.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!

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  183. Dan Hayes says:
    @LondonBob
    Wasn't the idea to start the obviously doomed invasion then force JFK to send in the Marines as it started failing? A lousy plan with one obvious flaw.

    LondonBob:

    Until recently I would have thought it somewhat of a stretch to start an obviously doomed invasion for the purposes of eventually sending in the Marines. But now I’m not so sure in view of what we’ve recently been learning about the operations of the Deep State.

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  184. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Can't tell if you're reacting with female passive aggressiveness or autistic literalism to try and pretend you don't see the very salient facts buried in the rhetoric.

    Again, Trump picking and choosing his battles in the face of an entrenched deep state is not the same as he won't do it. The fact you're too dense to see the tax cut (which you attack with lefty talking points!) as a benefit only underlines how little you understand or want to understand.

    Let us remember before your first "I QUIT FOREVER" moment, you said we were getting DACA for sure, Trump was going to sign an amnesty, etc etc. You're wrong, have been wrong, and have zero self reflection.

    Go back to your monomania on the JQ.

    The “lefty talking points” on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.

    I did not say “we were getting DACA for sure.” We have it now, but my guess is that in a few months the Supreme Court will reverse the injunction pending appeal and then in another year or two uphold the repeal. I am mildly worried that Trump will sign a “Dreamer” amnesty given he has said he would. Even then, there are possible concessions on chain migration and eliminating the diversity visa that could offset a limited amnesty.

    Question for you: would Trump have belatedly kept his “Day 1″ DACA repeal promise without the endless criticism from Coulter, Breitbart, and similar sources? I hope he would have, but hard to say. The lack of pushback on his renewing Haiti’s TPS status was disappointing and now it is being repeated, most recently for Honduras.

    As for my alleged monomania, while I agree with Trump’s Israel policy, I’d take a BDSer in the white house if he were a nationalist focused on shutting down third world migration to the US and adopting eugenic natalist tax cuts focused on the middle and upper middle class. Israel is an important part of the West, but the USA is its heart, brain, and muscle, and we have continued to Brazilify under Trump.

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    The “lefty talking points” on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.
     
    I agree the tax cuts should not have been a priority, but "every single wall street" scumbag lost the ability to deduct the enormous taxes they pay to Albany. Severely limiting the amount of state taxes that can be deducted shows both good political instincts (California, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc are all deep blue states and Trump is punishing his enemies) and good instincts for tax policy (if people want to live in high tax states and continue to send tax-and-spend politicians to Sacramento, Albany etc that is fine, but they can pay for it. Why should the federal government forgo revenue just because California really likes taxes?)
    , @Jack Hanson
    William made my point about blue state billionaires getting the gouge. The rest of your invective is just more lefty talking points couched in Talmudic sophistry.

    Furthermore I don't care about his "day one" nonsense as its been much more effective as a gouge/lever against the Left as well as smoking out the traitor RINOs. I get you refuse to see the strategic benefit because then you can't DOOOOOOOM but that doesn't change the fact that DACA is going away and is very effective as a wedge issue.

    But yes please, continue to hedge your bets after making ridiculous assertions in the past (such as you quitting forever).
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  185. @Mr. Anon

    No, read a resource that contains analysis.
     
    And you referred us to..............a tweet.

    “You are just about the perfect stereotype of a stupid, shallow liberal.”

    Except I am not a liberal, nor stupid and shallow.
     
    Every belief you've stated here could have been lifted from a transcript of a show on NPR; those beliefs are liberal, doctrinaire, and shallow. You are not interesting. You are a dullard.

    I like your comments generally so am going to do you a favor.

    1) Scroll up to the first comment. Just above and slightly to the left is a blue box with “Commenters to Ignore”. Click on this box
    2) In the text field that follows, type Corvinus, hit enter, type Rosie, hit enter, type Art Deco, hit enter, type Whiskey, hit enter, type Tiny Duck, hit enter. And so on and so forth.
    3) Click save. Your reading experience here will be greatly improved. Ignoring Rosie alone will approximately halve the number of messages.

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  186. @J.Ross
    Because then you'd be directly invading, which is a different question. Compare all the propaganda flung around before the removals of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qadhafy. And yes, during the Banana Wars, the Marines were used precisely because of a legalistic loophole (the Army invades. When the Marines conquer your country, destroy the present government, and supervise the "election" of another, this is somehow not an invasion) but Kennedy and the American public were expected to not have gone for that. There's also the Soviets to consider.
    tldr Rescue sounds much more attractive than an unprovoked invasion.

    Nothing attractive about the CIA telling Cuban expatriates, “Let’s you and him fight. I’ll hold your coat.”

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  187. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Very disturbing:

    “The CIA operative and FBI informant used to gather information on the Trump campaign in the 2016 campaign has, for weeks, been falsely depicted as a sensitive intelligence asset rather than what he actually is: a long-time CIA operative with extensive links to the Bush family who was responsible for a dirty and likely illegal spying operation in the 1980 presidential election. For that reason, it’s easy to understand why many people in Washington were so desperate to conceal his identity, but that desperation had nothing to do with the lofty and noble concerns for national security they claimed were motivating them.”

    https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/the-fbi-informant-who-monitored-the-trump-campaign-stefan-halper-oversaw-a-cia-spying-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

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  188. @Lot
    The "lefty talking points" on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.

    I did not say "we were getting DACA for sure." We have it now, but my guess is that in a few months the Supreme Court will reverse the injunction pending appeal and then in another year or two uphold the repeal. I am mildly worried that Trump will sign a "Dreamer" amnesty given he has said he would. Even then, there are possible concessions on chain migration and eliminating the diversity visa that could offset a limited amnesty.

    Question for you: would Trump have belatedly kept his "Day 1" DACA repeal promise without the endless criticism from Coulter, Breitbart, and similar sources? I hope he would have, but hard to say. The lack of pushback on his renewing Haiti's TPS status was disappointing and now it is being repeated, most recently for Honduras.

    As for my alleged monomania, while I agree with Trump's Israel policy, I'd take a BDSer in the white house if he were a nationalist focused on shutting down third world migration to the US and adopting eugenic natalist tax cuts focused on the middle and upper middle class. Israel is an important part of the West, but the USA is its heart, brain, and muscle, and we have continued to Brazilify under Trump.

    The “lefty talking points” on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.

    I agree the tax cuts should not have been a priority, but “every single wall street” scumbag lost the ability to deduct the enormous taxes they pay to Albany. Severely limiting the amount of state taxes that can be deducted shows both good political instincts (California, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc are all deep blue states and Trump is punishing his enemies) and good instincts for tax policy (if people want to live in high tax states and continue to send tax-and-spend politicians to Sacramento, Albany etc that is fine, but they can pay for it. Why should the federal government forgo revenue just because California really likes taxes?)

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  189. Olorin says:
    @istevefan
    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    You’re assuming that stuff like this doesn’t happen all the time, covered up to various degrees in various ways…or released for political gain.

    Take a look at those involved with the “leaks” and particularly the Heroic Journalists who got involved.

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/mark-felt-biopic-worse-than-its-negative-reviews/

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/who-or-what-brought-down-nixon/

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  190. Corvinus says:
    @Anon
    I read Seth Abramson and I have these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     

    If you truly read Seth, you would have the answers, as it has been covered extensively.

    “Tell us how the Mueller investigation is going to prove something against Trump Real Soon Now.”

    It’s not about “real soon now”. That is not how criminal investigations work. Prosecutors take time to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony. It’s not a rush to judgement. These complicated cases, similar to the mob, may take months or years. Justice has no fasttrack timetable.

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    I read Mr. Abramson's tweets in the manner you recently incorrectly described as "clearly and concisely." I was left with these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?

    That is not how criminal investigations work.
     
    There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate.
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  191. Corvinus says:
    @Yak-15
    If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged. It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years. There are probably 250 agents or more working on sorting out this case. The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.

    Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?

    You seem like a smart guy but your bias against Trump is clouding your insight. Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.

    Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?

    “If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged.”

    That’s not how prosecutions work. It took several years to bring down certain mobsters. Complicated cases require meticulous work. You are being decidedly naive here if you think there must be a schedule that must be met in order for a case to be legitimate.

    “It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years.”

    Actually, it does take that long. One needs to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony.

    “The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing.”

    Remotely interesting to you. The quick revealing of smoking guns are rare in these types of cases. There are so many moving parts and side stories it makes one’s head spin. You are really out of your league here.

    “Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?”

    Clearly he had help from literally dozens of people. The same argument was made about Nixon. Listen, the truth will come out eventually. If it is proven that the case is essentially about nothing, the GOP will steamroll in 2020, and the Democrats will be crippled. But if we find out definitively that the numerous accusations are true, and signs definitively point that they are true, then the GOP is cooked and Trump is done.

    “Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?”

    That’s exactly what I do. It’s just that a number of people here lack sophistication. Something about being a deplorable…

    “Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    You’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

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    What part of this entire case is clear?

    The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope.
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  192. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    If you truly read Seth, you would have the answers, as it has been covered extensively.

    "Tell us how the Mueller investigation is going to prove something against Trump Real Soon Now."

    It's not about "real soon now". That is not how criminal investigations work. Prosecutors take time to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony. It's not a rush to judgement. These complicated cases, similar to the mob, may take months or years. Justice has no fasttrack timetable.

    I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.” I was left with these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?

    That is not how criminal investigations work.

    There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate.

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    "I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets..."

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?

    "in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.”"

    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.

    "Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?"

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It's like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.

    "There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate."

    Yes. Here is a summary.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/2016-presidential-election-investigation-fast-facts/index.html

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  193. Corvinus says:
    @Anon
    I read Mr. Abramson's tweets in the manner you recently incorrectly described as "clearly and concisely." I was left with these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?

    That is not how criminal investigations work.
     
    There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate.

    “I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets…”

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?

    “in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.””

    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.

    “Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?”

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It’s like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.

    “There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate.”

    Yes. Here is a summary.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/2016-presidential-election-investigation-fast-facts/index.html

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    “in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.””
     
    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.
     
    There are dictionaries online, you know.

    “I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets…”

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?
     
    Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    so far as I could tell. If you know of some tucked-away corner where he does answer them, paste his answer here instead of wasting everybody else's time*.

    Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him.

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It’s like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.
     
    I'm following reality, not soap operas. Answer these questions "clearly and concisely" (that's an example of correct usage, by the way):

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    or admit you cannot.


    *But that's what you do, isn't it?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRpDFlw2GM
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  194. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets..."

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?

    "in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.”"

    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.

    "Why are you so reluctant to face these questions?"

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It's like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.

    "There is a crime being investigated? Please elaborate."

    Yes. Here is a summary.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/2016-presidential-election-investigation-fast-facts/index.html

    “in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.””

    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.

    There are dictionaries online, you know.

    “I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets…”

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?

    Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    so far as I could tell. If you know of some tucked-away corner where he does answer them, paste his answer here instead of wasting everybody else’s time*.

    Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him.

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It’s like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.

    I’m following reality, not soap operas. Answer these questions “clearly and concisely” (that’s an example of correct usage, by the way):

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    or admit you cannot.

    *But that’s what you do, isn’t it?

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    "Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:"

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.

    https://investigaterussia.org/timelines/everything-we-know-about-russia-and-president-trump

    "Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him."

    Of course he is not obscure, as evident by media conducting interviews with him, or members of Congress using their back channels to contact him, or his sources being used in articles about Trump. Again, you are being willfully obtuse.

    "I’m following reality, not soap operas."

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.
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  195. Corvinus says:
    @Anon


    “in the manner you recently incorrectly described as “clearly and concisely.””
     
    No, I described it correctly. You are mistaken, per usual.
     
    There are dictionaries online, you know.

    “I read Mr. Abramson’s tweets…”

    How recent? The past day? The past three days? The past week?
     
    Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    so far as I could tell. If you know of some tucked-away corner where he does answer them, paste his answer here instead of wasting everybody else's time*.

    Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him.

    Because the situation is quite complicated. Seth Abramson lays it out there on a daily basis. It’s like a soap opera, except one cannot keep up with it unless you follow regularly follow it.
     
    I'm following reality, not soap operas. Answer these questions "clearly and concisely" (that's an example of correct usage, by the way):

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    or admit you cannot.


    *But that's what you do, isn't it?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRpDFlw2GM

    “Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:”

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.

    https://investigaterussia.org/timelines/everything-we-know-about-russia-and-president-trump

    “Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him.”

    Of course he is not obscure, as evident by media conducting interviews with him, or members of Congress using their back channels to contact him, or his sources being used in articles about Trump. Again, you are being willfully obtuse.

    “I’m following reality, not soap operas.”

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.

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    The Committee to Investigate Russia?

    Why would anyone want to read propaganda put out by an organization founded by Rob "Meathead" Reiner, in cahoots with the likes of loathsome swine like James Clapper and John Brennan.

    You claim that you aren't a liberal, and yet you are informed by every typically liberal source - NPR, Huffpo, CNN, etc. You are a either a liar or willfully stupid. Perhaps both.

    Nobody is going to read the stupid little websites you introduce with "you must read......" You are a stupid clown. What you believe is idiotic. Nobody cares what you think.
    , @Anon

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.
     
    Then why can't you? I'll repeat them for you:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.
     
    Reality and soap opera may look the same from the lounge in your special place where life is beautiful all the time, but I assure you they're quite different.
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  196. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:"

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.

    https://investigaterussia.org/timelines/everything-we-know-about-russia-and-president-trump

    "Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him."

    Of course he is not obscure, as evident by media conducting interviews with him, or members of Congress using their back channels to contact him, or his sources being used in articles about Trump. Again, you are being willfully obtuse.

    "I’m following reality, not soap operas."

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.

    The Committee to Investigate Russia?

    Why would anyone want to read propaganda put out by an organization founded by Rob “Meathead” Reiner, in cahoots with the likes of loathsome swine like James Clapper and John Brennan.

    You claim that you aren’t a liberal, and yet you are informed by every typically liberal source – NPR, Huffpo, CNN, etc. You are a either a liar or willfully stupid. Perhaps both.

    Nobody is going to read the stupid little websites you introduce with “you must read……” You are a stupid clown. What you believe is idiotic. Nobody cares what you think.

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    "Why would anyone want to read propaganda put out by an organization founded by Rob “Meathead” Reiner, in cahoots with the likes of loathsome swine like James Clapper and John Brennan."

    Dispute the evidence provided, not the source. But that is unfortunately the problem with your ilk nowadays. You just can't bring yourself to admit that you are decidedly neck deep in the Fake News meme, because that ultimately brings you comfort.

    "You claim that you aren’t a liberal, and yet you are informed by every typically liberal source – NPR, Huffpo, CNN, etc. You are a either a liar or willfully stupid. Perhaps both."

    No, I read those sources, along with Fox News, Breitbart, and various Alt Right sites. It's called vetting materials from a wide range of places. Try it sometime. You will learn a thing or two.

    "Nobody is going to read the stupid little websites you introduce with “you must read……”

    Then remain a dunderhead. It's a free country, afterall.
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  197. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Several thousand words, the several times you linked him. He never answered these questions:"

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.

    https://investigaterussia.org/timelines/everything-we-know-about-russia-and-president-trump

    "Why are you promoting this obscure twitter personality? Are you him? Operating on that assumption, I will not further follow your links to him."

    Of course he is not obscure, as evident by media conducting interviews with him, or members of Congress using their back channels to contact him, or his sources being used in articles about Trump. Again, you are being willfully obtuse.

    "I’m following reality, not soap operas."

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.

    Then why can’t you? I’ll repeat them for you:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.

    Reality and soap opera may look the same from the lounge in your special place where life is beautiful all the time, but I assure you they’re quite different.

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    Your questions have been answered. You don't like the answers given. That's all on you.
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  198. Brutusale says:
    @LondonBob
    Wallace Simpson now looks in good in retrospect.

    Shocking that with a moniker like “London Bob” you don’t know that it’s “Wallis”.

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  199. @Lot
    The "lefty talking points" on the Trump/Ryan tax cut are largely correct. Every single wall street scumbag and billionaire hereditary landowner will benefit, while the middle class got crumbs and many upper middle class people got tax increases.

    I did not say "we were getting DACA for sure." We have it now, but my guess is that in a few months the Supreme Court will reverse the injunction pending appeal and then in another year or two uphold the repeal. I am mildly worried that Trump will sign a "Dreamer" amnesty given he has said he would. Even then, there are possible concessions on chain migration and eliminating the diversity visa that could offset a limited amnesty.

    Question for you: would Trump have belatedly kept his "Day 1" DACA repeal promise without the endless criticism from Coulter, Breitbart, and similar sources? I hope he would have, but hard to say. The lack of pushback on his renewing Haiti's TPS status was disappointing and now it is being repeated, most recently for Honduras.

    As for my alleged monomania, while I agree with Trump's Israel policy, I'd take a BDSer in the white house if he were a nationalist focused on shutting down third world migration to the US and adopting eugenic natalist tax cuts focused on the middle and upper middle class. Israel is an important part of the West, but the USA is its heart, brain, and muscle, and we have continued to Brazilify under Trump.

    William made my point about blue state billionaires getting the gouge. The rest of your invective is just more lefty talking points couched in Talmudic sophistry.

    Furthermore I don’t care about his “day one” nonsense as its been much more effective as a gouge/lever against the Left as well as smoking out the traitor RINOs. I get you refuse to see the strategic benefit because then you can’t DOOOOOOOM but that doesn’t change the fact that DACA is going away and is very effective as a wedge issue.

    But yes please, continue to hedge your bets after making ridiculous assertions in the past (such as you quitting forever).

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  200. MBlanc46 says:
    @istevefan
    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.

    No one else understands it either. If my memory serves, Stanley Kutler, the principal American historian of Watergate, suggests that it might have been that Nixon thought that Larry O’Brien had very damaging information about Nixon’s relationship with Howard Hughes. Others maintain that Nixon wasn’t behind it at all, that John Dean was the mastermind of the caper to keep his wife’s connection to a DC call girl ring secret. You pays your money and you takes your chances,

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  201. MBlanc46 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I never understood why they felt the need to break in on the democrats when Nixon was poised to win a huge 49 state landslide in 1972.
     
    There are different theories. H.R. "Bob" Halderman thought the plumbers were following a directive to get dirt on the DNC chairman, Larry O'Brien. O'Brien had made political hay out of the fact that Nixon had taken money from Howard Hughes, which really pissed off Nixon given that O'Brien himself had taken money from Hughes.

    Another theory, promoted by G. Gordon Liddy, was that John Dean ordered the burglary for the purpose of stealing evidence of a secret call-girl ring run out of DNC headquarters, one of the alleged call-girls having been Dean's wife.

    According to Halderman, Nixon himself was surprised by the burglary; he seems not to have had specific foreknowledge of it. That may be a self-serving take, but perhaps it is true.

    At this point, nearly fifty years after the event..........................who cares?

    I see that you beat me to it. There are those two and others.

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  202. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon
    The Committee to Investigate Russia?

    Why would anyone want to read propaganda put out by an organization founded by Rob "Meathead" Reiner, in cahoots with the likes of loathsome swine like James Clapper and John Brennan.

    You claim that you aren't a liberal, and yet you are informed by every typically liberal source - NPR, Huffpo, CNN, etc. You are a either a liar or willfully stupid. Perhaps both.

    Nobody is going to read the stupid little websites you introduce with "you must read......" You are a stupid clown. What you believe is idiotic. Nobody cares what you think.

    “Why would anyone want to read propaganda put out by an organization founded by Rob “Meathead” Reiner, in cahoots with the likes of loathsome swine like James Clapper and John Brennan.”

    Dispute the evidence provided, not the source. But that is unfortunately the problem with your ilk nowadays. You just can’t bring yourself to admit that you are decidedly neck deep in the Fake News meme, because that ultimately brings you comfort.

    “You claim that you aren’t a liberal, and yet you are informed by every typically liberal source – NPR, Huffpo, CNN, etc. You are a either a liar or willfully stupid. Perhaps both.”

    No, I read those sources, along with Fox News, Breitbart, and various Alt Right sites. It’s called vetting materials from a wide range of places. Try it sometime. You will learn a thing or two.

    “Nobody is going to read the stupid little websites you introduce with “you must read……”

    Then remain a dunderhead. It’s a free country, afterall.

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  203. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    Of course he answered the questions. You are being willfully obtuse. Here is another comprehensive source to help you get to the bottom of your inquiries.
     
    Then why can't you? I'll repeat them for you:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     

    Actually, the investigation is simultaneously a reality and a soap opera.
     
    Reality and soap opera may look the same from the lounge in your special place where life is beautiful all the time, but I assure you they're quite different.

    Your questions have been answered. You don’t like the answers given. That’s all on you.

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    Your questions have been answered.
     
    Here they are:


    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    Why can't you answer them? How many chances have you been given on this very thread to do so?

    You don’t like the answers given.
     
    How, by telepathy? If you believe you can communicate this way it might help explain why you're in that special place where life is beautiful all the time.

    That’s all on you.
     
    Trying to have a conversation with you, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRpDFlw2GM
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  204. Corvinus says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    The G. Gordon Liddy theory is on the right track, except it didn't go quite far enough: the call-girls were part of a covert CIA operation to gather info on all kinds of bigwigs (from all sides and places) in Washington. The call-girl ring was at the Columbia Plaza Apartments, just down the block from the Watergate Complex. (Google "White House Call Girl" by Phil Stanford)

    I've never seen any good evidence that Maureen Biner Dean was actually a call-girl herself, but her friend "Heidi Rikan/Cathy Dieter" was the head of the thing, and was a CIA asset.

    That's why James McCord made sure the break-in would be discovered: to keep amateurs like John Dean from stumbling onto a CIA operation. It's also why McCord flipped a gasket in court when defense lawyers (naively) tried to blame the CIA for the break-in. It's why McCord wrote the letter to Judge Sirica. It's why CIA head Richard Helms flipped out when Haldeman tried to suggest that the CIA take the blame for the break-in (to tell the FBI to back off).

    But Nixon knew something very secret and very dangerous about E. Howard Hunt (something that Haldeman did not) and Helms knew that Nixon knew. And Nixon hinted that if the FBI really investigated the break-in, then the CIA would be in real trouble.

    And so, Helms and Vernon Walters did tell the FBI to back off - so the secret remained hidden.
    And so, by burying that secret, Nixon really did obstruct justice, in both the superficial media narrative, and in a much deeper sense to the American people and history.

    Nixon knew what the CIA had done and that knowledge doomed him.

    Most people don't know what Nixon knew, but some of us certainly do . . .

    Here's Oliver Stone's take on it:

    https://youtu.be/JWRVyaKnGcA

    “I’ve never seen any good evidence that Maureen Biner Dean was actually a call-girl herself…”

    Exactly why Liddy’s theory is punctured with holes. But what is a known felon to do but deflect any blame from himself?

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  205. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    Your questions have been answered. You don't like the answers given. That's all on you.

    Your questions have been answered.

    Here they are:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Why can’t you answer them? How many chances have you been given on this very thread to do so?

    You don’t like the answers given.

    How, by telepathy? If you believe you can communicate this way it might help explain why you’re in that special place where life is beautiful all the time.

    That’s all on you.

    Trying to have a conversation with you, yes.

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    Life is beautiful all of the time. Unfortunately, you prefer the darker and uglier side, as the responses for your questions are right in front of you with the two outstanding resources at your disposal.

    Try to keep up, dear.
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  206. MBlanc46 says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    "Like the IRS scandal, nothing will come of this."

    Sadly, I think you are correct. They will get away with it. When they do, they will know they are completely bulletproof.

    At that point, our side needs to be thinking about what can be done. I don't have the answers.

    It is going to take men with incredible intelligence, bravery, and foresight to step up in order for us to survive. And I'm not talking about the phony alt-right "media stars" who are obviously in it for the money, fame, and personal glory.

    Are there such men out there? And are there enough of them?

    Not just intelligent and brave. But men wiiling to put their livelihoods on the line. Willing to put their family relationships on the line. Willing to put their lives on the line. A lot of them.

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  207. MBlanc46 says:
    @Lot
    The facts are the facts. Trump is a marginal improvement on Obama. The third world migration rate is down maybe 5-10%. That's small but still wonderful, and the alternative was Hillary ramping it up 20-50% over Obama's rate.

    It is also a fact that Trump's "day one" DACA repeal promise was an out and out lie. And it was 100% within his discretion.

    It is also a fact Trump has complete control on refugee admissions, and at the current rate he will admit about 150,000 mostly African and/or Muslim refugees in his first term when he could have made the number a big fat zero.

    It is also a fact that Trump has issued a bunch of TPS renewals. There was no legal justification for this, it was completely under his discretion, and he made the choice to keep giving Haitians, Somalis, etc work permits and deportation protection for another 18 months. Plenty of notice for a fraud marriage or am anchor baby.

    It is overall pretty disappointing by any standard other than "what would Hillary have done." It is also possible Trump's general sleaze factor and broken promises will bring down the House GOP that looked like it was secure for another 20 years due to the 2010 gerrymander. It was only the House GOP that stopped Obama's massive amnesty plans that would have increased the third world sourced population of the USA by an additional 30 million. So there is a real chance that in the medium and long term Trump causing more damage than Hillary, albeit unintentionally.

    I never actually expected Trump to keep the wall promise, because the Senate never would have funded it, and didn't really care. I did expect him to use all of his powers as leader of the executive branch to stop third migration on issues such as TPS, and it is this failure that stings.

    That’s a pretty reasonable assessment. Apparently he saw an issue that could make him a serious candidate for the presidency and he used it. But it wasn’t a principle, just an instrument. Sad.

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  208. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    Your questions have been answered.
     
    Here they are:


    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    Why can't you answer them? How many chances have you been given on this very thread to do so?

    You don’t like the answers given.
     
    How, by telepathy? If you believe you can communicate this way it might help explain why you're in that special place where life is beautiful all the time.

    That’s all on you.
     
    Trying to have a conversation with you, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRpDFlw2GM

    Life is beautiful all of the time. Unfortunately, you prefer the darker and uglier side, as the responses for your questions are right in front of you with the two outstanding resources at your disposal.

    Try to keep up, dear.

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    Try to keep up, dear.
     
    You keep insisting that you're not gay. Admit it and repent. Then you can move on.

    Life is beautiful all of the time.
     
    Isn't it? Take a walk through the trees and flowers and chirping birds for me.

    the responses for your questions are right in front of you
     
    Then give them. Or are you too illiterate to find them? Or is it taking away from your basket-weaving hour? Here are the questions again. Try to focus this time:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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  209. Yak-15 says:
    @Corvinus
    "If Mueller had evidence, Trump would already be charged."

    That's not how prosecutions work. It took several years to bring down certain mobsters. Complicated cases require meticulous work. You are being decidedly naive here if you think there must be a schedule that must be met in order for a case to be legitimate.

    "It doesn’t take two years to build a case when the NSA basically knows everything Trump has said, who he has said it to and where he has said it over the past ten years."

    Actually, it does take that long. One needs to vet witnesses and corroborate testimony.

    "The fact that they haven’t come out with anything even remotely interesting is indicative of the fact there is nothing."

    Remotely interesting to you. The quick revealing of smoking guns are rare in these types of cases. There are so many moving parts and side stories it makes one's head spin. You are really out of your league here.

    "Do you really think that Trump is capable of pulling off an elaborate scheme that would necessitate millions of 115 IQ+ man hours per year over two years to unravel?"

    Clearly he had help from literally dozens of people. The same argument was made about Nixon. Listen, the truth will come out eventually. If it is proven that the case is essentially about nothing, the GOP will steamroll in 2020, and the Democrats will be crippled. But if we find out definitively that the numerous accusations are true, and signs definitively point that they are true, then the GOP is cooked and Trump is done.

    "Why don’t you research a topic, build evidence and then apply your fluid writing skills to creating factually sound, compelling arguments?"

    That's exactly what I do. It's just that a number of people here lack sophistication. Something about being a deplorable...

    "Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies."

    You're going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

    What part of this entire case is clear?

    The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope.

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    "The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope."

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly "false premise and hope".

    Now, let's get back to something you said--“Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    Again, you’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.
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  210. Corvinus says:
    @Yak-15
    What part of this entire case is clear?

    The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope.

    “The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope.”

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly “false premise and hope”.

    Now, let’s get back to something you said–“Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    Again, you’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

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    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly “false premise and hope”.
     
    Your impression of Mr. Trump's campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality? Is it projection?

    Educate yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/mark-penn-clinton-aide-mueller-investigation.html

    , @Yak-15
    I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log.

    You’re butting up against one million words written. It’s almost as though posting on this forum is part of your day job. . .
    , @Yak-15
    Indictments that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the investigation.
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  211. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    Life is beautiful all of the time. Unfortunately, you prefer the darker and uglier side, as the responses for your questions are right in front of you with the two outstanding resources at your disposal.

    Try to keep up, dear.

    Try to keep up, dear.

    You keep insisting that you’re not gay. Admit it and repent. Then you can move on.

    Life is beautiful all of the time.

    Isn’t it? Take a walk through the trees and flowers and chirping birds for me.

    the responses for your questions are right in front of you

    Then give them. Or are you too illiterate to find them? Or is it taking away from your basket-weaving hour? Here are the questions again. Try to focus this time:

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

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  212. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope."

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly "false premise and hope".

    Now, let's get back to something you said--“Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    Again, you’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly “false premise and hope”.

    Your impression of Mr. Trump’s campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality? Is it projection?

    Educate yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/mark-penn-clinton-aide-mueller-investigation.html

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    "Your impression of Mr. Trump’s campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality?"

    Actually, it's quite accurate. And this article confirms.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771

    Why are you mad at the world?
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  213. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly “false premise and hope”.
     
    Your impression of Mr. Trump's campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality? Is it projection?

    Educate yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/mark-penn-clinton-aide-mueller-investigation.html

    “Your impression of Mr. Trump’s campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality?”

    Actually, it’s quite accurate. And this article confirms.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771

    Why are you mad at the world?

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    Why are you mad at the world?
     
    Why are you projecting? Learn to love your fellow man in a non-sexual sense.

    Actually, it’s quite accurate. And this article confirms.
     
    This article confirms the sad state of mind of its author. Is he your doctor? See if your relatives can get you put in a different institution.
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  214. Yak-15 says:
    @Corvinus
    "The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope."

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly "false premise and hope".

    Now, let's get back to something you said--“Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    Again, you’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

    I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log.

    You’re butting up against one million words written. It’s almost as though posting on this forum is part of your day job. . .

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    "I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log."

    Translation --> You made something up, got called out, and you are trying to weasel your way out of it.

    "Indictments that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the investigation."

    They have everything to do with the "initial premise of an investigation". Indictments are based on an argument, theory, or undertaking. They result from the proposition that the evidence culled from an investigation warrants formal charges.
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  215. Yak-15 says:
    @Corvinus
    "The evidence you cite is nothing more than supposition based on false premise and hope."

    Over a year and a half of investigation, with indictments, is hardly "false premise and hope".

    Now, let's get back to something you said--“Remember, you once wrote over 5,000 words about the ancient Egyptians being sub-Saharan black African despite having little knowledge on Egyptian history, never having even visited Egypt and ignoring the outcome of dozens of genetic studies.”

    Again, you’re going to have to enlighten me here. What thread are you talking about? If you have the visual evidence, then provide a direct link. Otherwise, the assumption here is that you making something up that is unsubstantiated.

    Indictments that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the investigation.

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  216. Corvinus says:
    @Yak-15
    I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log.

    You’re butting up against one million words written. It’s almost as though posting on this forum is part of your day job. . .

    “I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log.”

    Translation –> You made something up, got called out, and you are trying to weasel your way out of it.

    “Indictments that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the investigation.”

    They have everything to do with the “initial premise of an investigation”. Indictments are based on an argument, theory, or undertaking. They result from the proposition that the evidence culled from an investigation warrants formal charges.

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    Translation
     
    I don't trust your translations, since you are not on the best terms with the English language. But let's assume you're right. Then, since you dislike weaseling out, will you answer these questions?

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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  217. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Your impression of Mr. Trump’s campaign is faulty. Why do you imagine such dark and ugly aspects to his personality?"

    Actually, it's quite accurate. And this article confirms.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771

    Why are you mad at the world?

    Why are you mad at the world?

    Why are you projecting? Learn to love your fellow man in a non-sexual sense.

    Actually, it’s quite accurate. And this article confirms.

    This article confirms the sad state of mind of its author. Is he your doctor? See if your relatives can get you put in a different institution.

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  218. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "I don’t have the time to go back and search through your prodigious comment log."

    Translation --> You made something up, got called out, and you are trying to weasel your way out of it.

    "Indictments that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the investigation."

    They have everything to do with the "initial premise of an investigation". Indictments are based on an argument, theory, or undertaking. They result from the proposition that the evidence culled from an investigation warrants formal charges.

    Translation

    I don’t trust your translations, since you are not on the best terms with the English language. But let’s assume you’re right. Then, since you dislike weaseling out, will you answer these questions?

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    I don’t trust your translations, since you are not on the best terms with the English language. But let’s assume you’re right. Then, since you dislike weaseling out, will you answer these questions?"

    The questions have already been answered. You chose not to take them into serious consideration, given how said you don't trust my translations. Please help yourself.

    "This article confirms the sad state of mind of its author."

    Again, you are denying the existence of specific explanations that have been sourced. Again, please help yourself.
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  219. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    Translation
     
    I don't trust your translations, since you are not on the best terms with the English language. But let's assume you're right. Then, since you dislike weaseling out, will you answer these questions?

    What is it? What indictments have they sought based on collusion with a foreign power? You have no idea what you are talking about.
     

    I don’t trust your translations, since you are not on the best terms with the English language. But let’s assume you’re right. Then, since you dislike weaseling out, will you answer these questions?”

    The questions have already been answered. You chose not to take them into serious consideration, given how said you don’t trust my translations. Please help yourself.

    “This article confirms the sad state of mind of its author.”

    Again, you are denying the existence of specific explanations that have been sourced. Again, please help yourself.

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