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One of the more amusing things about the Current Year is how Social Justice Jihadis make up ever more self-destructive jargon to explain what they are are resenting, such as the inherently comic “microaggression” and now … “microinvalidation.” From Teen Vogue:

I’m not sure if Hillary guest-edited this contribution, but Hillary probably knows all about microinvalidations:

Microinvalidations Are Real and They Can Have a Big Impact

You’re not alone.

Kelly Nguyen NOV 13, 2017 8:00AM EST

In this op-ed, Kelly Nguyen explains her experiences with microinvalidations, psychologically damaging things said to non-white people in daily conversation.

Have you ever felt offended or insulted by something someone said, but didn’t feel as though your dismay was justified? … As an Asian-American, I’ve experienced these sentiments of confusion on a nearly daily basis. I distinctly remember my English teacher, during my freshman year of high school, enamored by my occasional sprinkling of an SAT-worthy vocab word in my angsty poems exclaiming, “Can you believe her English is so good?” in front of my class. The encouraging look on her face revealed that she thought what she had said was normal, and even a compliment. I was left offended and confused.

… Am I allowed to get offended, even if she meant well? These are the types of situations — and subsequent questions — people of color continually face when interacting with white people.

Incidents like these have become so commonplace, POC see them as an emotionally exhausting routine that seems to never stop.

Tiredness is a big SJW theme these days.

This is part of the “invisible plague” of microinvalidation, and is inflicted on millions of people of color by negating their experiences through everyday language. …

What is microinvalidation?

If you’ve never heard of the term before, “microinvalidation” is a hyponym of microaggression, the normalized behavior that demonstrates hostility and negative stereotypes of marginalized racial groups. Coined by Dr. Derald W. Sue, a psychology professor at Columbia University, microinvalidation communicates that the racism and offensive remarks catapulted towards people of color is unjustified due to a supposed “race-free” world.

What are the types of microinvalidation?

Dr. Derald W. Sue concluded that there are four main types of microinvalidation.

A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.” Questions like, “Where are you from?”, “How do you speak English so well?” or “Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?” imply that someone’s racial identity negates their status as a U.S. citizen.

Questions like, “How come you are a United States citizen like me, but your dad gets low interest loans from the SBA and government contracting preferences for being Asian and my parents don’t because we’re white?” is a mesoinvalidation.

Microinvalidation also rests on the belief that POCs aren’t justified to experience racism because we supposedly live in a race free world. This form is “color blindness,” wherein people claim they “can’t see color,” that the one race is “the human race,” or that “America is a melting pot,” basically negating the racism people know they face. …

For example, saying “Science proves Races Does Not Exist” is racist (when a white person says it.)

Another form is classified as “denial of individual racism/sexism/heterosexism,” where people employ logic that suggests they are allowed to be racist just because they have friends who struggled, and thus understand the struggle by association. Saying things like, “I can’t be racist! My best friend is black,” is an example of this form in practice.

The most prevalent microinvalidation in school and the workplace according to Dr. Sue is labelled as the “myth of meritocracy.” “Men and women are paid the same, they just choose the one is the most qualified,” or “You can succeed in America as long as you work hard,” blantly assumes that the only thing holding back marginalized groups is their capability, dismissing recognition that they are not privy to the same privilege as groups like straight, white men.

Note to Asians: when explaining to blacks why Asians make more money than blacks, blame the White Man.

Microinvalidation can actually damage your health, too.

According to the American Psychological Association, after experiencing these type of degrading comments for an extended period of time, POCs can begin to believe that their feelings are illegitimate and question their feelings and experiences. As a result, a person can begin to experience depression, anxiety, fear of social interaction, and self-esteem and confidence issues.

On the other hand, as the New York Times implied over the weekend, macrovalidation in which the newspapers splash hate hoaxes constantly is bad for the health of black bodies.

It’s almost as if People of Color need some kind of ultimate remedy for the problems they suffer from having to be alive alongside white people, some kind of … just spitballing here … ultimate resolution for all the problems white people are inflicting upon POC so that POC can someday live together in total harmony in a microinvalidation-free and white-free world. We could call that great day the Final Megasolution.

 
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  1. BenKenobi says:

    For best results trebuchet your racism at PoC instead of merely catapulting it at them.

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  2. JohnnyD says:

    I googled Dr. Derald Sue, and I was surprised to see that he’s Asian. I thought only black and Jewish academics came up with these nutty ideas…

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    These nutty ideas are great tools for power. Many Asians have a lot of intelligence and drive and are permitted to use these tools because of their POC status, therefore they have picked up the hammer and are swinging it with wild abandon.
    Think of the effectiveness of people who are applying the same tools as Tennesee Coates, but have 30 more IQ points. Steve is always posting articles with examples of this kind of writing by Asians. You have to admire the brilliance really; by leaping to the frontline of cultural Marxism they can, like Jews, forestall potential complaints about their academic and financial success being due to some sort of "privilege" and, simultaneously, join in the plundering of Western Civilization. Genius!
    , @Paco Wové
    Not to mention the author of the piece, one "Kelly Nguyen". But but but... I've been assured, right here in these comments pages, that Asian-Americans are just above all this grubby 'race' stuff.
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  3. This article is blantly racist against whites.

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    • Replies: @DanO2020
    They’re just blatantly racist.
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  4. The upcoming global financial implosion will wash away concerns about “microinvalidations” or other anti-White nonsense. When the debt repudiation cascade starts, nobody will listen to these anti-White rats who continuously attack White Core Americans.

    The ultimate aim of all this niggling anti-White rhetoric is to grind down and demoralize Whitey. Young Whites, especially those in the Alt-Right, are fueled in their determination to win political power by these anti-White rhetorical attacks.

    The United States is a European Christian nation-state, and the non-Whites and non-Christians are resentful of that fact. Americans of European Christian ancestry will soon collectively begin counter-attacking against their tormenters.

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  5. asf says:

    Is the author of this article even real? They used a Vietnamese surname, and there is absolutely no other information, or apparently any other articles by this individual. It’s almost as if there might be an agenda.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The author of this Teen Vogue article may be a genuine teenager:

    http://highschool.latimes.com/author/kellithnguyen/

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  6. Dr. Derald W. Sue

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn’t leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don’t blame him ’cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me “Sue”

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    My name is "Sue"!
    How do you do!
    Now you're gonna die!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me “Sue”
     
    And this was written by a guy named "Shel".

    (Who met the real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_K._Hicks )
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  7. I distinctly remember my Asian professor in Natural Language Processing 101, during my freshman year of grad school, enamored by my occasional sprinkling of clustering algorithm vocab in my term papers exclaiming, “Can you believe his math is so good?” in front of my entirely Asian-American class.

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  8. NickG says:

    As an Asian-American, I’ve experienced these sentiments of confusion on a nearly daily basis

    It’s likely down to just a small chink in the system…

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Agree, his view is definitely slanted.
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  9. @asf
    Is the author of this article even real? They used a Vietnamese surname, and there is absolutely no other information, or apparently any other articles by this individual. It's almost as if there might be an agenda.

    The author of this Teen Vogue article may be a genuine teenager:

    http://highschool.latimes.com/author/kellithnguyen/

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    • Replies: @JimB
    A humorless unattractive Asian frump with goofy nerd glasses and a drab copycat SJW agenda.
    , @Brutusale
    When did high school girls start worrying about "intersectional feminism"?

    I know she probably doesn't get asked out a lot, judging by the photo, but she also doesn't seem like the type who'd be worth asking.
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  10. A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.” Questions like, “Where are you from?”, “How do you speak English so well?” or “Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?” imply that someone’s racial identity negates their status as a U.S. citizen.

    Other common microinvalidations include the implication that a Diversity American is a regular old mayonnaise-eating American, questions like “Has your family always been in Dubuque?”, “Do you speak any languages other than English?” or “I think you are nice and am glad to have you as my neighbor – would you like to come to my Fourth of July picnic?”

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    These SJWs and micro-complainers seem to be missing the self-awareness gene.

    With a last name Nguyen I'd guess Kelly is of Vietnamese heritage. In other words, her ethnic identity which she is expected to champion, apparently, is to go unnoticed by everyone else. I'd say it's poor Kelly's assumption that another teenager's curiosity about her background is a microinvalidation.

    If other teenagers didn't inquire, I dare say she complain of invalidation because people treat her as invisible--they don't even notice her.

    Cursed either way. There's no satisfying the ego entitlement of these teenage, female SJWs.
    , @Oswald Spengler
    Apparently, in the Current Year, engaging in small talk or exhibiting curiosity is racist.
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  11. …microinvalidation communicates that the racism and offensive remarks catapulted towards people of color is unjustified due to a supposed “race-free” world.

    This is both nonsensical and illiterate.

    “Can you believe her English is so good?”

    Nope.

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    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    Shouldn't that be "are unjustified"? I know, I know...expecting verb/subject agreement is probably just another form of microinvalidation.

    Kill me now.
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  12. “Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?”

    I’ve dated my share of East Asian girls, and with all of them I have enjoyed flirtatious teach-me-your-language moments. At the time, I did not think these moments were racist, because they all ended in coitus, but looking back, I can see how I was using a form of racial linguistic superiority—even racial violence—by using language teaching as a way to get into their pants. I realize now that I practically raped these women.

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    • Replies: @Off The Street
    Obviously a form of paleoinvalidation!
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    You were just being a cunning linguist, that's all.
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  13. You know what’s interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.

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    • Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Shout it from the mountains
    , @El Dato
    Mesoinvalidation in Japan!

    After Amélie manages to incorrectly transcribe the ledger numbers, she has a little discussion with the hierarchical superior:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoIoVfTT78

    (unfortunately you need to understand French for the beauty of this particular dressing-down)

    "You hate me because I denounced you. And now to avange yourself you have decided to ridicule me publicly ... Honor! What do you know about honor! ... You are either a retard or a traitor. There is no other explanation."
    , @Almost Missouri
    Tell them, "Of course, Marco Polo invented chopsticks and brought them to your country."

    We wuz MuShuKangz!
    , @European-American

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.
     

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

    , @Tony Lawless
    I was about to add the same thing about Korea. I have been complimented on my ability to use chopsticks and on my ability to order a cafe latte and state my address in Korean to taxi drivers. Until now, I had not realized that these were microinvalidations. But they are, and I now live in fear of the "depression, anxiety, fear of social interaction, and self-esteem and confidence issues" these apparently induce.
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  14. Someone needs to do an updated version of the tale of the Princess and the Pea that shows how incredibly racist it was of the White servants to put a hate pea under the Princess of Colour’s mattress.

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  15. Dr. Sue has pointed out that microinvalidation is one of the most harmful forms of microaggressions because victims are shamed and made to think that they are being paranoid or oversensitive.

    This is how cults work, and this one is targeting impressionable young women. Being told they are acting paranoid or oversensitive to such remarks only serves to reinforce their delusions of persecution.

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    microinvalidation is one of the most harmful forms of microaggressions because victims are shamed

     

    I'm fascinated by the idea that "victims" feeling shame is an actual problem. While shame and embarrassment used to be behavioral responses due to character traits regarding propriety that that helped ease social conformity and social trust, like most forms of traditional conduct and character development, shame has long been tossed overboard--dismissed as a sign of uptight conformity and inhibition.

    Microinvalidation sounds like something dreamed-up in a struggle session in order to explain some academic model of human behavior that hasn't met the test of reality.
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  16. Twinkie says:

    Note to Asians: when explaining to blacks why Asians make more money than blacks, blame the White Man.

    Didn’t work out so well. See. L.A. riots. Asians apparently look “white enough” for blacks.

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    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, "Get her! She's not a sista!" Very edifying.
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  17. Alfa158 says:
    @JohnnyD
    I googled Dr. Derald Sue, and I was surprised to see that he's Asian. I thought only black and Jewish academics came up with these nutty ideas...

    These nutty ideas are great tools for power. Many Asians have a lot of intelligence and drive and are permitted to use these tools because of their POC status, therefore they have picked up the hammer and are swinging it with wild abandon.
    Think of the effectiveness of people who are applying the same tools as Tennesee Coates, but have 30 more IQ points. Steve is always posting articles with examples of this kind of writing by Asians. You have to admire the brilliance really; by leaping to the frontline of cultural Marxism they can, like Jews, forestall potential complaints about their academic and financial success being due to some sort of “privilege” and, simultaneously, join in the plundering of Western Civilization. Genius!

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  18. Looks like this young lady has personal issues which render her unable to take a compliment. “Microinvalidations” lol.

    By the way, how does one pronounce “POC”? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?

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    No, no,no, that's click language like the Khoisan people use. POCK! You have to do it with your tongue against your palate. (The P is silent.)
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    By the way, how does one pronounce “POC”? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?
     
    I think they have it slightly off - it shouldn't be "People of Color," it should be "People of Colors?"

    In which case, POC should be POCs and pronounced "POX."
    , @Oswald Spengler
    It's pronounced "puke."
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  19. @Seth Largo

    "Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?"
     
    I've dated my share of East Asian girls, and with all of them I have enjoyed flirtatious teach-me-your-language moments. At the time, I did not think these moments were racist, because they all ended in coitus, but looking back, I can see how I was using a form of racial linguistic superiority---even racial violence---by using language teaching as a way to get into their pants. I realize now that I practically raped these women.

    Obviously a form of paleoinvalidation!

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  20. Alfa158 says:

    BTW, click on that photo of Hillary to enlarge her and check out how incongruous her dead eyes look in the middle of the jolly face. You can see this sort of a psychopathic politician basilisk stare. Something looking back out at you and measuring. “A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun”.
    I used to watch Bill’s speeches and it always struck me the way his eyes continuously scanned the faces of the crowd, coolly assessing if he was getting over on them or not. You can see the same thing when you run into one of those parking lot petty con artists. They are doing the same sort of facial scanning to see if their line is working.

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  21. @Chrisnonymous
    You know what's interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement "You can use chopsticks? Wow!"

    What's interesting is that this doesn't really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners--foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    Shout it from the mountains

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  22. El Dato says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    You know what's interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement "You can use chopsticks? Wow!"

    What's interesting is that this doesn't really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners--foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    Mesoinvalidation in Japan!

    After Amélie manages to incorrectly transcribe the ledger numbers, she has a little discussion with the hierarchical superior:

    (unfortunately you need to understand French for the beauty of this particular dressing-down)

    “You hate me because I denounced you. And now to avange yourself you have decided to ridicule me publicly … Honor! What do you know about honor! … You are either a retard or a traitor. There is no other explanation.”

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    • Replies: @Romanian
    The only things I remember from that movie are the naked gymnastics and the melon chocolate!
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  23. There was a real person named Nguyen
    Who wanted to give us her spin
    On her English (admired)
    And her brown body (tired).
    It seems like the Viets just can’t win.

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  24. Dave40 says:

    Ot. If Judge Roy Moore is elected, will the Washington Post be done?

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  25. @JohnnyD
    I googled Dr. Derald Sue, and I was surprised to see that he's Asian. I thought only black and Jewish academics came up with these nutty ideas...

    Not to mention the author of the piece, one “Kelly Nguyen”. But but but… I’ve been assured, right here in these comments pages, that Asian-Americans are just above all this grubby ‘race’ stuff.

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    • Replies: @Kaz
    No mob is completely above anything.

    That aside.

    Asian males tend to be a mixed bag, I think it was 50/50 based on exit poll data for Trump.

    Asian women on the other hand were like 20/80, worse than white women, but better than hispanic/black. Women en masse are really buying into this, and I don't know if anyone has an answer to that.
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  26. @jimbojones
    Looks like this young lady has personal issues which render her unable to take a compliment. "Microinvalidations" lol.

    By the way, how does one pronounce "POC"? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?

    No, no,no, that’s click language like the Khoisan people use. POCK! You have to do it with your tongue against your palate. (The P is silent.)

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Asian achievement doesn’t prove there’s no discrimination against them. It’s possible that there is, and that without discrimination they might achieve even more than what they already have.

    It should be quite easy to run a statistical program to see how much each additional point on the SAT or GRE gets a white student, in terms of lifetime earnings, compared to his peers. And then see if an equivalent Asian makes the same amount.

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  28. @Chrisnonymous
    You know what's interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement "You can use chopsticks? Wow!"

    What's interesting is that this doesn't really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners--foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    Tell them, “Of course, Marco Polo invented chopsticks and brought them to your country.”

    We wuz MuShuKangz!

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  29. whorefinder says: • Website

    You know what’s strange? I defend Western culture, but I hate everything currently coming out of Western culture. And the Leftists I meet are doing the exact opposite contradiction.

    I think we’ve all gone insane.

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  30. Currahee says:

    Kelly Nguyen.

    No doubt her grandfather was on the losing side of the Viet Nam war.

    And now as one of the many blessings of that event, she is an:

    “American”.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Kelly Nguyen.

    No doubt her grandfather was on the losing side of the Viet Nam war.

    And now as one of the many blessings of that event, she is an:

    “American”.
     
    Nguyen to run all night,
    Nguyen to run all day.
    I bet my money on the immigrant nag,
    Somebody bet on the Bay.


    Or, in this case, the Gulf.
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  31. Barnard says:

    Currently on vacation and I have had a few people ask where we are from. As a white man and woman should my wife and I consider ourselves microinvalidated?

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Currently on vacation and I have had a few people ask where we are from. As a white man and woman should my wife and I consider ourselves microinvalidated?
     
    No, just pre-megainvalidated.
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  32. bgates says:

    A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.”

    Like when you hear the system of government and way of life set up by your ancestors for themselves and their posterity demeaned with the phrase “that’s not who we are”.

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  33. Once again, the blacks are going to be quite upset when they realize they’ve been bamboozled with this ‘People of Color’ shimsham.

    91% of the people on earth are ‘people of color.’ Good luck competing with high-caste Indians and tiger moms for that slice of the diversity pie!

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    91% of the people on earth are ‘people of color.’
     
    Unfortunately, that term does not apply to their hair. In that field, we are the people of color.
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  34. On Final Megasolution Day, we’re all gonna party like it’s 1804:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

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  35. Cato says:

    POC can someday live together in total harmony in a microinvalidation-free and white-free world.

    It all comes down to freedom of association (Hans-Hermann Hoppe had an article here at unz a few weeks back that is worth reading: https://www.unz.com/article/libertarianism-the-alt-right-and-antifa/ ).

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    • Replies: @anonguy

    It all comes down to freedom of association
     
    That is pretty much of a dead letter. When was the last significant case on freedom of association?
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  36. @Chrisnonymous
    You know what's interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement "You can use chopsticks? Wow!"

    What's interesting is that this doesn't really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners--foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

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    In my experience over there, you can only really get your feelings hurt if your trying to be something you're not. Being white over there has lots of advantages. But I never wanted to be anything else and was fine not fitting in.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    I've lived in Hong Kong for over 25 years, and long, long ago learned that there's not much point in trying to pretend I'm just like everyone else. I don't know by personal experience, but I'm pretty sure the situation would be similar in Singapore, or frankly in any east Asian context.

    I think your observations about a right/left split on this may be accurate. Cultural assimilation as a goal, much less a possibility, does not work well as a concept in east Asian cultures. I agree that assuming that such assimilation should be expected is a form of cultural imperialism. It's based on the leftist assumption that human nature (and hence cultures) can be willfully re-engineered in the endless utopian striving to build Babel.

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the 'wow, you're so good at chopsticks' routine, and people talk about me behind my back quite often, but it's certainly not worth stomping away in a snit.
    , @jim jones
    I have some Chinese neighbours and whenever I see the husband I call out " hello laowai"
    , @Harry Baldwin
    My older brother has lived in Japan for nearly 50 years, having gone there at age 19. He is of course fluent in Japanese and has absorbed all the small mannerisms. He even sort of looks Japanese, enough so that strangers do a double-take when they realize he's a gaijin. Even among his friends, though, when he makes some tiny error or displays some lack of cultural knowledge, they will say, "Oh, ____, you will never be Japanese," and he doesn't take offense at that.
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  37. Berty says:

    So Steve, are you doing to make a posting about your thoughts on the Roy Moore fracas and whether or not you think it’s a GOPe hit job?

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  38. Kaz says:
    @Paco Wové
    Not to mention the author of the piece, one "Kelly Nguyen". But but but... I've been assured, right here in these comments pages, that Asian-Americans are just above all this grubby 'race' stuff.

    No mob is completely above anything.

    That aside.

    Asian males tend to be a mixed bag, I think it was 50/50 based on exit poll data for Trump.

    Asian women on the other hand were like 20/80, worse than white women, but better than hispanic/black. Women en masse are really buying into this, and I don’t know if anyone has an answer to that.

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  39. Polynikes says:
    @European-American

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.
     

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

    In my experience over there, you can only really get your feelings hurt if your trying to be something you’re not. Being white over there has lots of advantages. But I never wanted to be anything else and was fine not fitting in.

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  40. One of the more amusing things about the Current Year is how Social Justice Jihadis make up ever more self-destructive jargon to explain what they are are resenting, such as the inherently comic “microaggression” and now … “microinvalidation.” From Teen Vogue:

    Sounds like it should be renamed Teen Vague.

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  41. @Barnard
    Currently on vacation and I have had a few people ask where we are from. As a white man and woman should my wife and I consider ourselves microinvalidated?

    Currently on vacation and I have had a few people ask where we are from. As a white man and woman should my wife and I consider ourselves microinvalidated?

    No, just pre-megainvalidated.

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  42. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Once again, the blacks are going to be quite upset when they realize they've been bamboozled with this 'People of Color' shimsham.

    91% of the people on earth are 'people of color.' Good luck competing with high-caste Indians and tiger moms for that slice of the diversity pie!

    91% of the people on earth are ‘people of color.’

    Unfortunately, that term does not apply to their hair. In that field, we are the people of color.

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    I tried to find some info on the colour brown but the wiki page on colour only mentions the word once; it's included in a list of 12 colours. But otherwise, brown seems to be a rather illusive colour. Then I found this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Human_Color_Wheel_by_Neil_Harbisson.jpg

    Really colourful.
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  43. Am I allowed to get offended, even if she meant well?

    Yes, of course, you’re “allowed” to get offended but, wait for it … wait for it … THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM, NOT OURS.

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  45. Forbes says:
    @Alec Leamas

    A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.” Questions like, “Where are you from?”, “How do you speak English so well?” or “Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?” imply that someone’s racial identity negates their status as a U.S. citizen.
     
    Other common microinvalidations include the implication that a Diversity American is a regular old mayonnaise-eating American, questions like "Has your family always been in Dubuque?", "Do you speak any languages other than English?" or "I think you are nice and am glad to have you as my neighbor - would you like to come to my Fourth of July picnic?"

    These SJWs and micro-complainers seem to be missing the self-awareness gene.

    With a last name Nguyen I’d guess Kelly is of Vietnamese heritage. In other words, her ethnic identity which she is expected to champion, apparently, is to go unnoticed by everyone else. I’d say it’s poor Kelly’s assumption that another teenager’s curiosity about her background is a microinvalidation.

    If other teenagers didn’t inquire, I dare say she complain of invalidation because people treat her as invisible–they don’t even notice her.

    Cursed either way. There’s no satisfying the ego entitlement of these teenage, female SJWs.

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  46. @Seth Largo

    "Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?"
     
    I've dated my share of East Asian girls, and with all of them I have enjoyed flirtatious teach-me-your-language moments. At the time, I did not think these moments were racist, because they all ended in coitus, but looking back, I can see how I was using a form of racial linguistic superiority---even racial violence---by using language teaching as a way to get into their pants. I realize now that I practically raped these women.

    You were just being a cunning linguist, that’s all.

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    You were just being a cunning linguist, that’s all.
     
    Did you hear that the Irish national airline plans to diversify and build an underwater rail line over to somewhere in Wales?

    It will be called Tunnel Lingus.
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  47. @Alec Leamas

    Dr. Derald W. Sue

     

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn't leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don't blame him 'cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue"

    My name is “Sue”!
    How do you do!
    Now you’re gonna die!

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  48. @Alec Leamas

    Dr. Derald W. Sue

     

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn't leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don't blame him 'cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue"

    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me “Sue”

    And this was written by a guy named “Shel”.

    (Who met the real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_K._Hicks )

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  49. Why does everything need a fancy name?
    If it was a deliberate insult (“you throw pretty good for a ________”), it’s a backhanded compliment.
    If it was unintended, it’s just clumsy manners.
    Coming next: nano aggressions. They not only get under your skin, they can affect you at the cellular level.

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  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    You were just being a cunning linguist, that's all.

    You were just being a cunning linguist, that’s all.

    Did you hear that the Irish national airline plans to diversify and build an underwater rail line over to somewhere in Wales?

    It will be called Tunnel Lingus.

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  51. @European-American

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.
     

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

    I’ve lived in Hong Kong for over 25 years, and long, long ago learned that there’s not much point in trying to pretend I’m just like everyone else. I don’t know by personal experience, but I’m pretty sure the situation would be similar in Singapore, or frankly in any east Asian context.

    I think your observations about a right/left split on this may be accurate. Cultural assimilation as a goal, much less a possibility, does not work well as a concept in east Asian cultures. I agree that assuming that such assimilation should be expected is a form of cultural imperialism. It’s based on the leftist assumption that human nature (and hence cultures) can be willfully re-engineered in the endless utopian striving to build Babel.

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the ‘wow, you’re so good at chopsticks’ routine, and people talk about me behind my back quite often, but it’s certainly not worth stomping away in a snit.

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    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the ‘wow, you’re so good at chopsticks’ routine
     
    Things are changing fast in some parts of East Asia though.

    I was in Seoul recently, and was surprised by:

    1. The large number of visible non-Koreans (whites and blacks as well as Middle Easterners and South Asians).

    2. The apparent comfort and familiarity that urban Koreans displayed toward the non-Koreans. Very nonchalant.

    3. The number of businesses that catered to non-Koreans. Apparently, enough American/Canadian expats can now live in Seoul without having to learn more than 20 Korean words.

    4. The number of Korean-non-Korean young couples (and these weren't the old G.I. and the bar hostess pairings).
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  52. Teen Vogue: “Microinvalidations”

    Would it be a macroinvalidation to tell them to go vogue themselves?

    Jeez, when did people become parking vouchers, that have to be “validated”? Instead, they should be Valiumed.

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  53. Forbes says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    Dr. Sue has pointed out that microinvalidation is one of the most harmful forms of microaggressions because victims are shamed and made to think that they are being paranoid or oversensitive.

    This is how cults work, and this one is targeting impressionable young women. Being told they are acting paranoid or oversensitive to such remarks only serves to reinforce their delusions of persecution.

    microinvalidation is one of the most harmful forms of microaggressions because victims are shamed

    I’m fascinated by the idea that “victims” feeling shame is an actual problem. While shame and embarrassment used to be behavioral responses due to character traits regarding propriety that that helped ease social conformity and social trust, like most forms of traditional conduct and character development, shame has long been tossed overboard–dismissed as a sign of uptight conformity and inhibition.

    Microinvalidation sounds like something dreamed-up in a struggle session in order to explain some academic model of human behavior that hasn’t met the test of reality.

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    Has shaming really been tossed out? More like reconfigured. Victim-shaming is one of the key acts of desecration in the religion of Intersectionality. Positive affirmation and societal reification of another person’s sense of victimhood, however slight or subjective, is one of the its sacraments. And you mentioned struggle sessions, essentially a punitive ritual of shaming those who violate these sacraments.
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  54. I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.

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    More like rethink their (not-particularly-enthusiastic) membership on Team America. To the extent they've thought through the long-term consequences, Asians don't see joining in on Hate-Whitey as particularly risky, since, when S does HTF, China will come in and restore order, and then they'll be Number 1, or at least Number 1.5, the Criollos to the Peninsulares.
    , @Twinkie

    I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.
     
    Asians exist in the nebula of "neither... nor..." They are not white (or quite white - though they are counted as "non-diversity" when convenient to the left), but they are not full-fledged members of the POC coalition either. Also, much of this depends on what kind of Asian is under discussion.

    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.
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  55. @Twinkie

    Note to Asians: when explaining to blacks why Asians make more money than blacks, blame the White Man.
     
    Didn't work out so well. See. L.A. riots. Asians apparently look "white enough" for blacks.

    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, “Get her! She’s not a sista!” Very edifying.

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    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, “Get her! She’s not a sista!” Very edifying.
     
    Don't know about that. More Hispanics were arrested than blacks during the L.A. riots... probably for looting though, rather than for violent interpersonal crimes as with the blacks.
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  56. Lazarus says:

    It is about time that someone addressed the WQ seriously.

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  57. Ivy says:

    Napoléon had his big facility in Paris, Les Invalides. You may have seen it.

    Do our American pretenders imagine at they are worthy of the respect and affection that Nap showed to his wounded warriors? Have the pretender lives been mortal combat, or just Mortal Kombat, in some random basement?

    Invalidating is also used in the context of punching a hole, literal or figurative, in a bus ticket. If those pretenders scrimp and save, and travel a lot, they can accumulate a thousand of those microinvalidations. If only they’d just stay on those buses and out of the news. Maybe even commute to a job.

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  58. @Currahee
    Kelly Nguyen.

    No doubt her grandfather was on the losing side of the Viet Nam war.

    And now as one of the many blessings of that event, she is an:

    "American".

    Kelly Nguyen.

    No doubt her grandfather was on the losing side of the Viet Nam war.

    And now as one of the many blessings of that event, she is an:

    “American”.

    Nguyen to run all night,
    Nguyen to run all day.
    I bet my money on the immigrant nag,
    Somebody bet on the Bay.

    Or, in this case, the Gulf.

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  59. Mr. Anon says:

    A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.”

    I often feel like I’m being made an alien in my own country. Am I a microinvalid too?

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  60. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    God help me I love it!

    I want all Whites who think RACE doesn’t matter to be raked over the coals.

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  61. @candid_observer

    ...microinvalidation communicates that the racism and offensive remarks catapulted towards people of color is unjustified due to a supposed “race-free” world.
     
    This is both nonsensical and illiterate.

    “Can you believe her English is so good?”

    Nope.

    Shouldn’t that be “are unjustified”? I know, I know…expecting verb/subject agreement is probably just another form of microinvalidation.

    Kill me now.

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  62. MBlanc46 says:

    Boo bleeping hoo. Aside from American blacks, who are a special case, no one asked these people to come here. If they don’t like the way that I act and speak in my country, they can p*ss tbe eff off.

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  63. anonguy says:

    Did’ja ever notice, like in the picture above, that the way Hillary’s tops fit and are cut, she sometimes looks like she’s got them on backwards?

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  64. wren says:

    Unfortunately for the writer of that article, but perhaps luckily for the parents of all the 13-19 year old girls who read Teen Vogue, it will be shutting down.

    This may be due in part to the backlash over their recent Teen Vogue guide to anal sex (for 13-19 year old girls).

    The editor didn’t help his case much by tweeting out a picture of himself kissing his boyfriend as he gave the finger to all the h8ers out there responsible for the failure of his magazine.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4710960/Teen-Vogue-anal-sex-guide-leads-calls-boycott.html

    Maybe he’s flipping the bird because he feels microinvalidated that parents don’t think his anal sex guide is appropriate for their teen girls.

    Gross.

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  65. helena says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    91% of the people on earth are ‘people of color.’
     
    Unfortunately, that term does not apply to their hair. In that field, we are the people of color.

    I tried to find some info on the colour brown but the wiki page on colour only mentions the word once; it’s included in a list of 12 colours. But otherwise, brown seems to be a rather illusive colour. Then I found this:

    Really colourful.

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  66. This is no laughing matter.

    It is the responsibility of every White person to root out the last microaggression/invalidation so we can move on to the insidious nanoaggressions/invalidations.

    We have much more work to do.

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    Yup, down through pico, femto, atto, zepto, yocto and beyond!

    Wipe them all out down to their sub-atomic structure!

    Only then will we be cleansed.

    Or maybe not even then.
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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Does anyone else ever notice that amidst all the whining and blaming, not a single constructive solution to anything is ever proffered by these perpetual victims?

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  68. anonguy says:
    @Cato

    POC can someday live together in total harmony in a microinvalidation-free and white-free world.
     
    It all comes down to freedom of association (Hans-Hermann Hoppe had an article here at unz a few weeks back that is worth reading: https://www.unz.com/article/libertarianism-the-alt-right-and-antifa/ ).

    It all comes down to freedom of association

    That is pretty much of a dead letter. When was the last significant case on freedom of association?

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  69. wren says:
    @Pat Kittle
    This is no laughing matter.

    It is the responsibility of every White person to root out the last microaggression/invalidation so we can move on to the insidious nanoaggressions/invalidations.

    We have much more work to do.

    Yup, down through pico, femto, atto, zepto, yocto and beyond!

    Wipe them all out down to their sub-atomic structure!

    Only then will we be cleansed.

    Or maybe not even then.

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  70. Alden says:

    On the topic of magazines, Gentlemen’s Quarterly has named Colin Kaepernick Man of the Year. Ever look at the articles in GQ? Ultra liberal propaganda just like the rest of the press. And about 1/3 black model, way over quota.

    The entire Vogue line up is disproportionately black. You’ll see more black models than BET. And one of the editors is a big fat ugly black man who’s so fat he wears oversized maternity tops.

    One would think they were all owned by the same organization. Vogue has been ultra liberal for 60 years. Town & Country recently featured that old commie hag, Hanoi Jane.

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  71. snorlax says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.

    More like rethink their (not-particularly-enthusiastic) membership on Team America. To the extent they’ve thought through the long-term consequences, Asians don’t see joining in on Hate-Whitey as particularly risky, since, when S does HTF, China will come in and restore order, and then they’ll be Number 1, or at least Number 1.5, the Criollos to the Peninsulares.

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    "LOL Snorlax ur dumb the Chinese hate all the other Asians and vice-versa!"

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and "Asian" is a category on the census and all the "Asians" were friends with each other at school.

    It's like that Arab proverb we're always quoting: "Myself against my brothers, my brothers and I against my cousins, my cousins, my brothers and I against the world."

    Spain had more than its fair share of disagreements with its European neighbors, but non-Spaniards could (and did, in very large numbers) still become Criollos. Likewise, non-English could become Americans.
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  72. Twinkie says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, "Get her! She's not a sista!" Very edifying.

    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, “Get her! She’s not a sista!” Very edifying.

    Don’t know about that. More Hispanics were arrested than blacks during the L.A. riots… probably for looting though, rather than for violent interpersonal crimes as with the blacks.

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    What you say about arrest rates is very true. Our wonderful Hispanic immigrants seemed to have no hesitation of capitalizing on the social breakdown. But as for the violence, it was almost entirely a black on non-black affair. And as for the quote in my comment, I saw and heard that ("Get her, she's not a sista") with my own ears on TV as it was happening and blacks proceeded to smash out the window of what appeared to be a hispanic woman's car, which also had a small child in the back.
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  73. snorlax says:
    @snorlax
    More like rethink their (not-particularly-enthusiastic) membership on Team America. To the extent they've thought through the long-term consequences, Asians don't see joining in on Hate-Whitey as particularly risky, since, when S does HTF, China will come in and restore order, and then they'll be Number 1, or at least Number 1.5, the Criollos to the Peninsulares.

    “LOL Snorlax ur dumb the Chinese hate all the other Asians and vice-versa!”

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.

    It’s like that Arab proverb we’re always quoting: “Myself against my brothers, my brothers and I against my cousins, my cousins, my brothers and I against the world.”

    Spain had more than its fair share of disagreements with its European neighbors, but non-Spaniards could (and did, in very large numbers) still become Criollos. Likewise, non-English could become Americans.

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    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.
     
    You got a lot wrong.

    1. "All the Vietnamese and Koreans" do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they "make it," they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That "Asian" is a category on the census doesn't mean anything. South Asians are also "Asian," but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with "Asians" for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don't have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don't even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, "Asian" is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, "Asian" means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).
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  74. Twinkie says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.

    I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.

    Asians exist in the nebula of “neither… nor…” They are not white (or quite white – though they are counted as “non-diversity” when convenient to the left), but they are not full-fledged members of the POC coalition either. Also, much of this depends on what kind of Asian is under discussion.

    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.

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    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.
     
    I hear that's first-generation only. Afterwards they regress to the state mean at the very least, and they're clustered in blue states.
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  75. DanO2020 says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    This article is blantly racist against whites.

    They’re just blatantly racist.

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  76. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    "LOL Snorlax ur dumb the Chinese hate all the other Asians and vice-versa!"

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and "Asian" is a category on the census and all the "Asians" were friends with each other at school.

    It's like that Arab proverb we're always quoting: "Myself against my brothers, my brothers and I against my cousins, my cousins, my brothers and I against the world."

    Spain had more than its fair share of disagreements with its European neighbors, but non-Spaniards could (and did, in very large numbers) still become Criollos. Likewise, non-English could become Americans.

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.

    You got a lot wrong.

    1. “All the Vietnamese and Koreans” do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they “make it,” they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That “Asian” is a category on the census doesn’t mean anything. South Asians are also “Asian,” but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with “Asians” for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don’t have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don’t even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, “Asian” is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, “Asian” means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).

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    And the common thread between Hispanics? Their white blood from Spain and Portugal. They only became a victim group when liberal mania dragged them into victimhood.
    , @snorlax

    “All the Vietnamese and Koreans” do not move to Chinatown.
     
    In Boston they do.

    Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live.
     
    Yes, they all live in Quincy.

    That “Asian” is a category on the census doesn’t mean anything.
     
    It was changed from "Oriental" to "Asian" at the behest of ethnic activists, who notably did not insist on changing it to Chinese, Filipino, Hmong etc.

    All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else.
     
    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.
    , @snorlax
    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.

    In all seriousness, Britain (and the US) has actually achieved this miracle of peacemaking, with the magic of gibsmedat and Hate Whitey.
    , @Stationary Feast

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).
     
    I didn't see any intra-Asian segregation along country-of-origin lines in high school. College had groups like this, but college was large enough to have critical masses of Korean, Mandarin-speaking Chinese and Cantonese-speaking Chinese fobs to have formal groups separated by race. Meanwhile, none of my Asian friends had any trouble getting sushi for lunch and kbbq for dinner, all as an integrated group.

    …how gray is your hair, again? ;)
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  77. Twinkie says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    I've lived in Hong Kong for over 25 years, and long, long ago learned that there's not much point in trying to pretend I'm just like everyone else. I don't know by personal experience, but I'm pretty sure the situation would be similar in Singapore, or frankly in any east Asian context.

    I think your observations about a right/left split on this may be accurate. Cultural assimilation as a goal, much less a possibility, does not work well as a concept in east Asian cultures. I agree that assuming that such assimilation should be expected is a form of cultural imperialism. It's based on the leftist assumption that human nature (and hence cultures) can be willfully re-engineered in the endless utopian striving to build Babel.

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the 'wow, you're so good at chopsticks' routine, and people talk about me behind my back quite often, but it's certainly not worth stomping away in a snit.

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the ‘wow, you’re so good at chopsticks’ routine

    Things are changing fast in some parts of East Asia though.

    I was in Seoul recently, and was surprised by:

    1. The large number of visible non-Koreans (whites and blacks as well as Middle Easterners and South Asians).

    2. The apparent comfort and familiarity that urban Koreans displayed toward the non-Koreans. Very nonchalant.

    3. The number of businesses that catered to non-Koreans. Apparently, enough American/Canadian expats can now live in Seoul without having to learn more than 20 Korean words.

    4. The number of Korean-non-Korean young couples (and these weren’t the old G.I. and the bar hostess pairings).

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    We visited Seoul a few years ago, and it was almost unrecognizable in comparison with my first trip there back in the early 90s.

    On that first trip, I was with the soon-to-be Mrs Calvinist, who's Chinese, and could pass for Korean. Well, obviously lots of people assumed she was Korean, at least, because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me as high as she could reach (which turned out to be the middle of my chest), and just screamed bloody murder at Mrs C, obviously assuming she could understand.

    20 years later it was totally different -- no one batted an eye at us, and I had some nice conversations with some younger Koreans. We're keen to get back for a visit soon.

    The biggest difference in reactions to foreigners, though, is in mainland China. On one early trip I took up to an obscure small city in NE China around 1991 or so, I literally had a crowd of people following me down the street. Now most people in the mainland cities barely register the existence of a nearby foreigner. They don't have the time, since they're all on Weibo or Taobao, or are searching for Pokemon.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right? Or would it even qualify for something higher? Could I dare to dream of receiving a macroaggression victim medal?

    , @Desiderius
    "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

    - Gal 3:27-29

    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S. We tend to have that effect on a people.
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  78. DanO2020 says:
    @Twinkie

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.
     
    You got a lot wrong.

    1. "All the Vietnamese and Koreans" do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they "make it," they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That "Asian" is a category on the census doesn't mean anything. South Asians are also "Asian," but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with "Asians" for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don't have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don't even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, "Asian" is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, "Asian" means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).

    And the common thread between Hispanics? Their white blood from Spain and Portugal. They only became a victim group when liberal mania dragged them into victimhood.

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    And the common thread between Hispanics? Their white blood from Spain and Portugal.
     
    Read again. I wrote "common language and culture."
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  79. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.
     
    You got a lot wrong.

    1. "All the Vietnamese and Koreans" do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they "make it," they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That "Asian" is a category on the census doesn't mean anything. South Asians are also "Asian," but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with "Asians" for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don't have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don't even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, "Asian" is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, "Asian" means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).

    “All the Vietnamese and Koreans” do not move to Chinatown.

    In Boston they do.

    Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live.

    Yes, they all live in Quincy.

    That “Asian” is a category on the census doesn’t mean anything.

    It was changed from “Oriental” to “Asian” at the behest of ethnic activists, who notably did not insist on changing it to Chinese, Filipino, Hmong etc.

    All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else.

    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.

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    In Boston they do.
     
    Show me the numbers.

    “Oriental” to “Asian”
     
    "Oriental" simply means "eastern." "Asian" is geographically more accurate. However, this is a continent of billions whose denizens range from Israelis to Japanese.

    ethnic activists
     
    Unlike blacks, Asian "ethnic activists" are not representative of their interests or even temperaments.

    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.
     
    Where was your school and college? (I would not ask for your work for the sake of respecting your privacy).

    Personal anecdotes are neither reliable nor accurate in these kinds of discussions.

    You can take one look at the last Pew study on Asians in America and realize that much of what you believe to be true... isn't.
    , @Brutusale
    The Vietnamese and Cambodians near Boston are mostly in Revere and Everett, Snor. Neither have much to do with the Chinese.

    The state rep from my old Wollaston neighborhood in Quincy is named Tackey Chan!
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  80. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.
     
    You got a lot wrong.

    1. "All the Vietnamese and Koreans" do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they "make it," they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That "Asian" is a category on the census doesn't mean anything. South Asians are also "Asian," but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with "Asians" for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don't have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don't even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, "Asian" is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, "Asian" means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).

    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.

    In all seriousness, Britain (and the US) has actually achieved this miracle of peacemaking, with the magic of gibsmedat and Hate Whitey.

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    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.
     
    No, but they were ruled by and was a part of a singular political entity. That's why English is widely spoken in South Asia. And they have a regional coherence and some semblance of similar/related culture.

    What do Laotians and Japanese have in common? Language? Common history? Religion? Lifestyle? The latter have far more in common with Westerners than the former.

    Maybe you haven't seen the news, but there is constant spat among China, Japan, and Korea, for instance. If you think that they will be magically pan-Asian friends once in America*, you don't know very much about human beings, let alone Asians.

    *Though there are some positive exceptions who take up citizenism in America, not pan-Asianism, and set aside their Old World enmities such as Col. Young-Oak Kim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-Oak_Kim

    Upon graduating in January 1943, he was assigned to the U.S. 100th Infantry Battalion, a unit of Japanese Americans from Hawaii. The battalion commander offered him a transfer, fearing ethnic conflict between Young Oak and the Japanese-American troops. (At the time, Korea was occupied by the Japanese empire.) Regardless, he insisted on staying, stating that "there [are] no Japanese nor Korean here. We're all Americans and we're fighting for the same cause."[12]
     
    , @Anonymous
    Perhaps they fight each other 'back home', but when it comes to advantaging themselves against the white man in what (was) the white man's country, they will all stick together.
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  81. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax

    “All the Vietnamese and Koreans” do not move to Chinatown.
     
    In Boston they do.

    Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live.
     
    Yes, they all live in Quincy.

    That “Asian” is a category on the census doesn’t mean anything.
     
    It was changed from "Oriental" to "Asian" at the behest of ethnic activists, who notably did not insist on changing it to Chinese, Filipino, Hmong etc.

    All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else.
     
    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.

    In Boston they do.

    Show me the numbers.

    “Oriental” to “Asian”

    “Oriental” simply means “eastern.” “Asian” is geographically more accurate. However, this is a continent of billions whose denizens range from Israelis to Japanese.

    ethnic activists

    Unlike blacks, Asian “ethnic activists” are not representative of their interests or even temperaments.

    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.

    Where was your school and college? (I would not ask for your work for the sake of respecting your privacy).

    Personal anecdotes are neither reliable nor accurate in these kinds of discussions.

    You can take one look at the last Pew study on Asians in America and realize that much of what you believe to be true… isn’t.

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  82. @Twinkie

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the ‘wow, you’re so good at chopsticks’ routine
     
    Things are changing fast in some parts of East Asia though.

    I was in Seoul recently, and was surprised by:

    1. The large number of visible non-Koreans (whites and blacks as well as Middle Easterners and South Asians).

    2. The apparent comfort and familiarity that urban Koreans displayed toward the non-Koreans. Very nonchalant.

    3. The number of businesses that catered to non-Koreans. Apparently, enough American/Canadian expats can now live in Seoul without having to learn more than 20 Korean words.

    4. The number of Korean-non-Korean young couples (and these weren't the old G.I. and the bar hostess pairings).

    We visited Seoul a few years ago, and it was almost unrecognizable in comparison with my first trip there back in the early 90s.

    On that first trip, I was with the soon-to-be Mrs Calvinist, who’s Chinese, and could pass for Korean. Well, obviously lots of people assumed she was Korean, at least, because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me as high as she could reach (which turned out to be the middle of my chest), and just screamed bloody murder at Mrs C, obviously assuming she could understand.

    20 years later it was totally different — no one batted an eye at us, and I had some nice conversations with some younger Koreans. We’re keen to get back for a visit soon.

    The biggest difference in reactions to foreigners, though, is in mainland China. On one early trip I took up to an obscure small city in NE China around 1991 or so, I literally had a crowd of people following me down the street. Now most people in the mainland cities barely register the existence of a nearby foreigner. They don’t have the time, since they’re all on Weibo or Taobao, or are searching for Pokemon.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right? Or would it even qualify for something higher? Could I dare to dream of receiving a macroaggression victim medal?

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    because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me
     
    Ah, yes, the legendary ajumma: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ajumma.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right?
     
    She probably thought you were a G.I. with a "G.I. princess" (a polite term for a local woman of ill repute who goes with American soldiers).

    I was in ROK in the 90's... with my Midwestern bride. Locals who didn't know us seemed to assume that I was a wealthy young Korean businessman and she was a Russian prostitute. We got great service everywhere, so my wife took it in good humor.

    In the last visit, I was surprised to see that this type of a couple was not a rarity in Seoul: https://www.youtube.com/user/2hearts1seoul

    Young South Koreans seem to have taken to "globalization" with gusto.
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  83. @Twinkie

    Blacks were also attacking Hispanics. The refrain was, “Get her! She’s not a sista!” Very edifying.
     
    Don't know about that. More Hispanics were arrested than blacks during the L.A. riots... probably for looting though, rather than for violent interpersonal crimes as with the blacks.

    What you say about arrest rates is very true. Our wonderful Hispanic immigrants seemed to have no hesitation of capitalizing on the social breakdown. But as for the violence, it was almost entirely a black on non-black affair. And as for the quote in my comment, I saw and heard that (“Get her, she’s not a sista”) with my own ears on TV as it was happening and blacks proceeded to smash out the window of what appeared to be a hispanic woman’s car, which also had a small child in the back.

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  84. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.

    In all seriousness, Britain (and the US) has actually achieved this miracle of peacemaking, with the magic of gibsmedat and Hate Whitey.

    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.

    No, but they were ruled by and was a part of a singular political entity. That’s why English is widely spoken in South Asia. And they have a regional coherence and some semblance of similar/related culture.

    What do Laotians and Japanese have in common? Language? Common history? Religion? Lifestyle? The latter have far more in common with Westerners than the former.

    Maybe you haven’t seen the news, but there is constant spat among China, Japan, and Korea, for instance. If you think that they will be magically pan-Asian friends once in America*, you don’t know very much about human beings, let alone Asians.

    *Though there are some positive exceptions who take up citizenism in America, not pan-Asianism, and set aside their Old World enmities such as Col. Young-Oak Kim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-Oak_Kim

    Upon graduating in January 1943, he was assigned to the U.S. 100th Infantry Battalion, a unit of Japanese Americans from Hawaii. The battalion commander offered him a transfer, fearing ethnic conflict between Young Oak and the Japanese-American troops. (At the time, Korea was occupied by the Japanese empire.) Regardless, he insisted on staying, stating that “there [are] no Japanese nor Korean here. We’re all Americans and we’re fighting for the same cause.”[12]

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  85. If these people hate whitey so much why stay? The Orientals I have known looked down on American blacks, so did Africans. A Burmese friend had no use for PC layabouts.

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  86. Twinkie says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    We visited Seoul a few years ago, and it was almost unrecognizable in comparison with my first trip there back in the early 90s.

    On that first trip, I was with the soon-to-be Mrs Calvinist, who's Chinese, and could pass for Korean. Well, obviously lots of people assumed she was Korean, at least, because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me as high as she could reach (which turned out to be the middle of my chest), and just screamed bloody murder at Mrs C, obviously assuming she could understand.

    20 years later it was totally different -- no one batted an eye at us, and I had some nice conversations with some younger Koreans. We're keen to get back for a visit soon.

    The biggest difference in reactions to foreigners, though, is in mainland China. On one early trip I took up to an obscure small city in NE China around 1991 or so, I literally had a crowd of people following me down the street. Now most people in the mainland cities barely register the existence of a nearby foreigner. They don't have the time, since they're all on Weibo or Taobao, or are searching for Pokemon.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right? Or would it even qualify for something higher? Could I dare to dream of receiving a macroaggression victim medal?

    because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me

    Ah, yes, the legendary ajumma: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ajumma.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right?

    She probably thought you were a G.I. with a “G.I. princess” (a polite term for a local woman of ill repute who goes with American soldiers).

    I was in ROK in the 90′s… with my Midwestern bride. Locals who didn’t know us seemed to assume that I was a wealthy young Korean businessman and she was a Russian prostitute. We got great service everywhere, so my wife took it in good humor.

    In the last visit, I was surprised to see that this type of a couple was not a rarity in Seoul: https://www.youtube.com/user/2hearts1seoul

    Young South Koreans seem to have taken to “globalization” with gusto.

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    No, but they were ruled by and was a part of a singular political entity.
     
    Ceylon was actually ruled separately from India, though still obviously subject to the Crown. It's still part of the cultural Indosphere, of course, though different in many ways, particularly, being as it is majority Buddhist, in lacking the Hindu-Muslim dynamic of the mainland. Also, Christians form a much more significant element there than in most places in India (Kerala and Goa excepted).

    Isn't "East Asia" largely the sphere of Chinese cultural influence?
    , @Johann Ricke

    “Oriental” simply means “eastern.” “Asian” is geographically more accurate. However, this is a continent of billions whose denizens range from Israelis to Japanese.
     
    In Britain, Oriental means anything from the Near East to the Far East. In the US, Oriental means the Far East.
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  87. She probably thought you were a G.I. with a “G.I. princess”

    Yes, that’s the conclusion we came to at the time. I was the right age, and had a fairly short haircut.

    Even though I wasn’t a GI, and never have been, I still want my victim medal. I hear the Air Force is looking to hand them out these days.

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    Even though I wasn’t a GI, and never have been, I still want my victim medal. I hear the Air Force is looking to hand them out these days.
     
    What, you didn't just obviate the problem with "No, me not American. Me CANADIAN!" and (pointing at your wife) "Not Korean. She JAPANESE!"
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  88. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The author of this Teen Vogue article may be a genuine teenager:

    http://highschool.latimes.com/author/kellithnguyen/

    A humorless unattractive Asian frump with goofy nerd glasses and a drab copycat SJW agenda.

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The strange fact is that most likely *today* or some other day of this week a boatload of African/Sub-Continental so-called ‘migrants’ bum-rushing the ineffably stupid EU, are risking their very lives to live under ‘white supremacy’.

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  90. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    As any observer of the world knows, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans all lovelovelove each other and are best friends.

    In all seriousness, Britain (and the US) has actually achieved this miracle of peacemaking, with the magic of gibsmedat and Hate Whitey.

    Perhaps they fight each other ‘back home’, but when it comes to advantaging themselves against the white man in what (was) the white man’s country, they will all stick together.

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  91. Wilkey says:

    “It’s almost as if People of Color need some kind of ultimate remedy for the problems they suffer from having to be alive alongside white people, some kind of … just spitballing here … ultimate resolution for all the problems white people are inflicting upon POC so that POC can someday live together in total harmony in a microinvalidation-free and white-free world.”

    It’s almost as if what they really need is a way to create a gloriously diverse colortopia where the white man is completely absent. It’s a splendid idea. But instead of everyone immigrating here and inflicting a holocaust on the white people it would be so much easier to bypass all that and, say, have blacks and Muslims and Latins all immigrate to, say, South Korea or Japan. Of course doing so would require South Korea to allow in a few more than the 94 whole refugees they admitted in 2015. It would require Japan to admit a little bit more than the 28 refugees they admitted in 2016, or the 11 they admitted in 2014, or the 6 they admitted in 2013. Of course you have to give Japan credit for nearly doubling their refugee admissions (almost) every year for the last four years. A few more years of doubling their refugee admissions and maybe they’ll be taking in as many refugees as, oh, Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania.

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  92. jim jones says:
    @European-American

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.
     

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

    I have some Chinese neighbours and whenever I see the husband I call out ” hello laowai”

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  93. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Speaking of Vogue, the Lunch with the FT interview this past weekend was with the new head of Vogue UK, who is a gay Ghanian-Brit, who, unsurprisingly, is an advocate of increasing diversity.

    The interviewer mentions a social media post by Naomi Campbell, who looks forward to a less white staff at the magazine. Left unsaid is that if the new editor were Asian or Latin American, he or she would likely be less receptive to black models than a white editor.

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  94. Moses says:

    I feel just terrible about the unbearable suffering of persons of color (i.e. nonwhite persons) like Ms. Nguyen.

    Separation is the solution.

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  95. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m certain being in the majority, and born into that culture is a much easier situation than coming from a different place, being of different ethnicity, etc. Just being a minority is enough in itself to create problems for some people. The difficulty is real — some deal with it better than others.

    The ‘micro aggression’ thing is just an attempt to place blame for the alienation of being a minority at the foot of the majority. Also, the reality is whites have held a dominant position globally for a long time and this is not something others will find easy to deal with psychologically.

    The problem we have now, with mass immigration, is everyone is becoming an outsider. Even the oldest of the old stock whites no longer feel at ease in their own country. Everyone is on the attack or on the defensive at all times. It’s an unhealthy situation.

    I don’t think those who argue for a borderless world have taken into account some of the historical and psychological factors to the degree they should. It’s their usual ‘blank slate’ thinking. They fail to grasp that each person is a part of a family/society/tradition/ethnicity/Etc.. They want us all to be individuals, but those groups and categories aren’t fictional, and they follow us around all our lives. Trying to get away from this reality can create a lot of stress and psychological pain.

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  96. The “XYZ that I don’t like must be stopped because it is bad for the public health” meme in SJW tactics seems to be everywhere these days.

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  97. Pericles says:

    “Is your name really Kelly?”

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  98. Derald W. Sue, (ethnic-Chinese) is a real piece of work. Years ago I was subjected to four, endless hours of this insufferable, hyper-moralist at a university “workshop” for administrators. He makes huge bucks shaking down universities with this “micro” stuff. Lots of irony with this guy. The
    Asians are somewhere near the top of the heap here in the U.S. IQ-wise, professionally, income, etc., yet this guy makes his very good living whining about how mean white people are to colored people.

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    Asians are somewhere near the top of the heap here in the U.S. IQ-wise, professionally, income, etc., yet this guy makes his very good living whining about how mean white people are to colored people.
     
    No, he makes very good money congratulating those scratching his checks for how much more enlightened, and thus higher status, they are compared to other whites.
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  99. @BenKenobi
    For best results trebuchet your racism at PoC instead of merely catapulting it at them.

    95kg of racism at 300 yards!

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  100. @Twinkie

    Like Chrisnonymous, I too sometimes still get the ‘wow, you’re so good at chopsticks’ routine
     
    Things are changing fast in some parts of East Asia though.

    I was in Seoul recently, and was surprised by:

    1. The large number of visible non-Koreans (whites and blacks as well as Middle Easterners and South Asians).

    2. The apparent comfort and familiarity that urban Koreans displayed toward the non-Koreans. Very nonchalant.

    3. The number of businesses that catered to non-Koreans. Apparently, enough American/Canadian expats can now live in Seoul without having to learn more than 20 Korean words.

    4. The number of Korean-non-Korean young couples (and these weren't the old G.I. and the bar hostess pairings).

    “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

    - Gal 3:27-29

    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S. We tend to have that effect on a people.

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  101. @Stephen Paul Foster
    Derald W. Sue, (ethnic-Chinese) is a real piece of work. Years ago I was subjected to four, endless hours of this insufferable, hyper-moralist at a university "workshop" for administrators. He makes huge bucks shaking down universities with this "micro" stuff. Lots of irony with this guy. The
    Asians are somewhere near the top of the heap here in the U.S. IQ-wise, professionally, income, etc., yet this guy makes his very good living whining about how mean white people are to colored people.

    Asians are somewhere near the top of the heap here in the U.S. IQ-wise, professionally, income, etc., yet this guy makes his very good living whining about how mean white people are to colored people.

    No, he makes very good money congratulating those scratching his checks for how much more enlightened, and thus higher status, they are compared to other whites.

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    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S.
     
    So Koreans are the Scots of Asia?
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  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius

    Asians are somewhere near the top of the heap here in the U.S. IQ-wise, professionally, income, etc., yet this guy makes his very good living whining about how mean white people are to colored people.
     
    No, he makes very good money congratulating those scratching his checks for how much more enlightened, and thus higher status, they are compared to other whites.

    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S.

    So Koreans are the Scots of Asia?

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    Jews, Scots, Calvinists.

    Same difference.
    , @Twinkie
    More like the Ulster-Irish.
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  103. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Twinkie

    because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me
     
    Ah, yes, the legendary ajumma: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ajumma.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right?
     
    She probably thought you were a G.I. with a "G.I. princess" (a polite term for a local woman of ill repute who goes with American soldiers).

    I was in ROK in the 90's... with my Midwestern bride. Locals who didn't know us seemed to assume that I was a wealthy young Korean businessman and she was a Russian prostitute. We got great service everywhere, so my wife took it in good humor.

    In the last visit, I was surprised to see that this type of a couple was not a rarity in Seoul: https://www.youtube.com/user/2hearts1seoul

    Young South Koreans seem to have taken to "globalization" with gusto.

    No, but they were ruled by and was a part of a singular political entity.

    Ceylon was actually ruled separately from India, though still obviously subject to the Crown. It’s still part of the cultural Indosphere, of course, though different in many ways, particularly, being as it is majority Buddhist, in lacking the Hindu-Muslim dynamic of the mainland. Also, Christians form a much more significant element there than in most places in India (Kerala and Goa excepted).

    Isn’t “East Asia” largely the sphere of Chinese cultural influence?

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    Ceylon was actually ruled separately from India
     
    Fair enough.

    Isn’t “East Asia” largely the sphere of Chinese cultural influence?
     
    To varying degrees, yes. But try as they might, the Chinese couldn't overrun the Koreans and incorporate them into their empire (though the Mongols did for a brief while). And even the Mongols couldn't invade Japan successfully.

    All three have very different languages - Mandarin Chinese is Sino-Tibetan while Korean and Japanese are language isolates (they are occasionally group into Altaic or, more specifically, Tungusic)... though of course Chinese loan words are legion and the latter two countries used the Chinese script for much of their history.
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  104. theMann says:

    This is at least your second article on Teen Vogue, which, since I am not a teenage girl, I just don’t care about….but

    How intergalactic a cosmic dumphuc do you have to be to screw up Teen Vogue? Talk about a target audience that advertisers would fight their way to get into line for…

    Every one associated with this disaster needs to have their names meticulously recorded, and spread all over world, so that they are never hired for any similar job again. EVER.

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  105. @jimbojones
    Looks like this young lady has personal issues which render her unable to take a compliment. "Microinvalidations" lol.

    By the way, how does one pronounce "POC"? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?

    By the way, how does one pronounce “POC”? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?

    I think they have it slightly off – it shouldn’t be “People of Color,” it should be “People of Colors?”

    In which case, POC should be POCs and pronounced “POX.”

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  106. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The author of this Teen Vogue article may be a genuine teenager:

    http://highschool.latimes.com/author/kellithnguyen/

    When did high school girls start worrying about “intersectional feminism”?

    I know she probably doesn’t get asked out a lot, judging by the photo, but she also doesn’t seem like the type who’d be worth asking.

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  107. @Alec Leamas

    A common form of microinvalidation is the “implication of being an alien in your own country.” Questions like, “Where are you from?”, “How do you speak English so well?” or “Can you teach me a few words in your native tongue?” imply that someone’s racial identity negates their status as a U.S. citizen.
     
    Other common microinvalidations include the implication that a Diversity American is a regular old mayonnaise-eating American, questions like "Has your family always been in Dubuque?", "Do you speak any languages other than English?" or "I think you are nice and am glad to have you as my neighbor - would you like to come to my Fourth of July picnic?"

    Apparently, in the Current Year, engaging in small talk or exhibiting curiosity is racist.

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  108. @jimbojones
    Looks like this young lady has personal issues which render her unable to take a compliment. "Microinvalidations" lol.

    By the way, how does one pronounce "POC"? Pock? Pox? Posse? Posee (as in poseur)? Pos (as in POS)?

    It’s pronounced “puke.”

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  109. @Forbes

    microinvalidation is one of the most harmful forms of microaggressions because victims are shamed

     

    I'm fascinated by the idea that "victims" feeling shame is an actual problem. While shame and embarrassment used to be behavioral responses due to character traits regarding propriety that that helped ease social conformity and social trust, like most forms of traditional conduct and character development, shame has long been tossed overboard--dismissed as a sign of uptight conformity and inhibition.

    Microinvalidation sounds like something dreamed-up in a struggle session in order to explain some academic model of human behavior that hasn't met the test of reality.

    Has shaming really been tossed out? More like reconfigured. Victim-shaming is one of the key acts of desecration in the religion of Intersectionality. Positive affirmation and societal reification of another person’s sense of victimhood, however slight or subjective, is one of the its sacraments. And you mentioned struggle sessions, essentially a punitive ritual of shaming those who violate these sacraments.

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    Victim-shaming appears to be, in most contexts, noticing. Requiring positive affirmation is a dictatorial game of power and control--but that is the point of SJWs.

    That SJWs, in their effort to control/enforce conformity, participate in shaming others, is likely part of their arsenal. What I was remarking on is the idea of people actually feeling shame, i.e. being ashamed of their behavior--not imposing shame on another.
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  110. @Anon

    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S.
     
    So Koreans are the Scots of Asia?

    Jews, Scots, Calvinists.

    Same difference.

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  111. Brutusale says:
    @snorlax

    “All the Vietnamese and Koreans” do not move to Chinatown.
     
    In Boston they do.

    Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live.
     
    Yes, they all live in Quincy.

    That “Asian” is a category on the census doesn’t mean anything.
     
    It was changed from "Oriental" to "Asian" at the behest of ethnic activists, who notably did not insist on changing it to Chinese, Filipino, Hmong etc.

    All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else.
     
    They were at my school! And my college, and my work.

    The Vietnamese and Cambodians near Boston are mostly in Revere and Everett, Snor. Neither have much to do with the Chinese.

    The state rep from my old Wollaston neighborhood in Quincy is named Tackey Chan!

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  112. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    Korea has four times as many Presbyterians as the U.S.
     
    So Koreans are the Scots of Asia?

    More like the Ulster-Irish.

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  113. @NickG

    As an Asian-American, I’ve experienced these sentiments of confusion on a nearly daily basis
     
    It's likely down to just a small chink in the system...

    Agree, his view is definitely slanted.

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  114. @European-American

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement “You can use chopsticks? Wow!”

    What’s interesting is that this doesn’t really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners–foreigners who tend to be leftists.
     

    I met an American guy who left Taiwan after 10 years because he couldn’t stand any longer the constant, omnipresent racism. He and is Taiwanese wife and their two young children packed up and moved to the US.

    This guy, a smart, well-meaning, large, hairy white American, who worked as an English teacher, could not understand why, after 10 years in Taiwan, despite his best efforts to integrate society, he was still considered a foreigner. He had learned Mandarin and even the local Taiwanese language, and all that had given him was an understanding how people constantly talked behind his back about how he was a foreigner.

    He obviously felt very real anguish about this, and left Taiwan with deep frustration and anger. I respected his feelings and have no idea exactly what he went through, but I do find his idea that he should somehow be accepted as a full-fledged Taiwanese person naive and, frankly, a little culturally imperialist. He seemed to think that American / Western ideals of assimilation should be the norm in Taiwan, where, despite his best efforts, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I suspect this kind of assimilationism will never occur in East Asian nations (except maybe Singapore and Hong Kong?), or indeed any other nations outside Europe and the New Worlds (Americas and Oceania). I don’t mind, but I suspect that’s a challenge to SJWs everywhere.

    My older brother has lived in Japan for nearly 50 years, having gone there at age 19. He is of course fluent in Japanese and has absorbed all the small mannerisms. He even sort of looks Japanese, enough so that strangers do a double-take when they realize he’s a gaijin. Even among his friends, though, when he makes some tiny error or displays some lack of cultural knowledge, they will say, “Oh, ____, you will never be Japanese,” and he doesn’t take offense at that.

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  115. Olorin says:

    “VALIDATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”

    Wag of my acquaintance for this reason calls them Tickets.

    (Makes jokes about punching them too, but let’s not go there.)

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  116. Romanian says: • Website
    @El Dato
    Mesoinvalidation in Japan!

    After Amélie manages to incorrectly transcribe the ledger numbers, she has a little discussion with the hierarchical superior:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoIoVfTT78

    (unfortunately you need to understand French for the beauty of this particular dressing-down)

    "You hate me because I denounced you. And now to avange yourself you have decided to ridicule me publicly ... Honor! What do you know about honor! ... You are either a retard or a traitor. There is no other explanation."

    The only things I remember from that movie are the naked gymnastics and the melon chocolate!

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  117. I got your macro aggression right here: http://www.vdare.com/posts/jason-spencer-st-louis-white-man-killed-by-four-black-teens-while-walking-with-his-wife..

    “Jason Spencer, with his wife in the background, was gunned down while going on a walk in a 93 percent white neighborhood in Louisville by black teens.”

    For some unknown reason, this did not register as a Hate Crime in the MSM.

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  118. @Twinkie

    because we were subject to plenty of dirty looks and muttering, topped off by a really ugly incident in which a middle-aged Korean woman rushed up to us, punched me
     
    Ah, yes, the legendary ajumma: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ajumma.

    BTW, just wondering: having a stranger of another race hit you and scream at your wife has to reach the threshold for a mesoaggression, right?
     
    She probably thought you were a G.I. with a "G.I. princess" (a polite term for a local woman of ill repute who goes with American soldiers).

    I was in ROK in the 90's... with my Midwestern bride. Locals who didn't know us seemed to assume that I was a wealthy young Korean businessman and she was a Russian prostitute. We got great service everywhere, so my wife took it in good humor.

    In the last visit, I was surprised to see that this type of a couple was not a rarity in Seoul: https://www.youtube.com/user/2hearts1seoul

    Young South Koreans seem to have taken to "globalization" with gusto.

    “Oriental” simply means “eastern.” “Asian” is geographically more accurate. However, this is a continent of billions whose denizens range from Israelis to Japanese.

    In Britain, Oriental means anything from the Near East to the Far East. In the US, Oriental means the Far East.

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    In the US, Oriental means the Far East.
     
    "Far East" of where? East Asia is "Far West" from the U.S.

    Oriental was used to refer to both Vietnamese and Koreans in the past. Southeast Asian vs. Northeast Asian. Different genetics, languages, cultures, etc.

    The point is, the word simply means "Eastern" and is nebulous.
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  119. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Harry Baldwin
    Agree, his view is definitely slanted.

    Careful, you guys are poking at a chink in his armor….

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    We're going down a slippery slope here...
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  120. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Vogue, the Lunch with the FT interview this past weekend was with the new head of Vogue UK, who is a gay Ghanian-Brit, who, unsurprisingly, is an advocate of increasing diversity.

    The interviewer mentions a social media post by Naomi Campbell, who looks forward to a less white staff at the magazine. Left unsaid is that if the new editor were Asian or Latin American, he or she would likely be less receptive to black models than a white editor.

    https://twitter.com/SpiceSpoon/status/928607267372462080

    I thought fashion was supposed to be about beauty. That thing is fugggggggggly.

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  121. Twinkie says:
    @DanO2020
    And the common thread between Hispanics? Their white blood from Spain and Portugal. They only became a victim group when liberal mania dragged them into victimhood.

    And the common thread between Hispanics? Their white blood from Spain and Portugal.

    Read again. I wrote “common language and culture.”

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  122. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    “Oriental” simply means “eastern.” “Asian” is geographically more accurate. However, this is a continent of billions whose denizens range from Israelis to Japanese.
     
    In Britain, Oriental means anything from the Near East to the Far East. In the US, Oriental means the Far East.

    In the US, Oriental means the Far East.

    “Far East” of where? East Asia is “Far West” from the U.S.

    Oriental was used to refer to both Vietnamese and Koreans in the past. Southeast Asian vs. Northeast Asian. Different genetics, languages, cultures, etc.

    The point is, the word simply means “Eastern” and is nebulous.

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    The far East of the planet, there, Yoohoo; just as, despite their arbitrary assignation and the concomitantly arbitrary (but accepted as nearly universal by convention) orientation of most maps, there are a Northern Hemisphere and a Southern Hemisphere, there are a Western Hemisphere and a n Eastern Hemisphere, delineated by meridians and international geographical convention.

    I would not expect it of you (it's more Yan Shen's gimmick), but your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.

    You had might as well, in a discussion of American geography, insist that the South has no meaning because, dammit, Georgia is north of Puerto Rico.

    Calm down; have some dip.

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  123. Twinkie says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She probably thought you were a G.I. with a “G.I. princess”

     

    Yes, that's the conclusion we came to at the time. I was the right age, and had a fairly short haircut.

    Even though I wasn't a GI, and never have been, I still want my victim medal. I hear the Air Force is looking to hand them out these days.

    Even though I wasn’t a GI, and never have been, I still want my victim medal. I hear the Air Force is looking to hand them out these days.

    What, you didn’t just obviate the problem with “No, me not American. Me CANADIAN!” and (pointing at your wife) “Not Korean. She JAPANESE!”

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  124. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    No, but they were ruled by and was a part of a singular political entity.
     
    Ceylon was actually ruled separately from India, though still obviously subject to the Crown. It's still part of the cultural Indosphere, of course, though different in many ways, particularly, being as it is majority Buddhist, in lacking the Hindu-Muslim dynamic of the mainland. Also, Christians form a much more significant element there than in most places in India (Kerala and Goa excepted).

    Isn't "East Asia" largely the sphere of Chinese cultural influence?

    Ceylon was actually ruled separately from India

    Fair enough.

    Isn’t “East Asia” largely the sphere of Chinese cultural influence?

    To varying degrees, yes. But try as they might, the Chinese couldn’t overrun the Koreans and incorporate them into their empire (though the Mongols did for a brief while). And even the Mongols couldn’t invade Japan successfully.

    All three have very different languages – Mandarin Chinese is Sino-Tibetan while Korean and Japanese are language isolates (they are occasionally group into Altaic or, more specifically, Tungusic)… though of course Chinese loan words are legion and the latter two countries used the Chinese script for much of their history.

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  125. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous
    Careful, you guys are poking at a chink in his armor....

    We’re going down a slippery slope here…

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    Pure poetry. I see why you were impressed with another commenter repeating “patriotard” and “LARP” ad nauseam. So clever.
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  126. Twinkie says:
    @Brutusale
    We're going down a slippery slope here...

    Pure poetry. I see why you were impressed with another commenter repeating “patriotard” and “LARP” ad nauseam. So clever.

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    Oh Twink, relax a bit.

    And italicize ad nauseum.
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  127. @Twinkie

    I wonder, if when the shit hits the fan, Asians will rethink their membership on Team POC.
     
    Asians exist in the nebula of "neither... nor..." They are not white (or quite white - though they are counted as "non-diversity" when convenient to the left), but they are not full-fledged members of the POC coalition either. Also, much of this depends on what kind of Asian is under discussion.

    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.

    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.

    I hear that’s first-generation only. Afterwards they regress to the state mean at the very least, and they’re clustered in blue states.

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    I hear that’s first-generation only. Afterwards they regress to the state mean at the very least, and they’re clustered in blue states.
     
    There are generational differences, yes. But it’s not one of regressing from generation one and on. Also, religion and national origin play a much stronger role on Asian voting patterns than generations (e.g. evangelical Asians tend to vote strongly for the GOP).

    And Texas is not a blue state.
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  128. @Twinkie

    Which is why all the Vietnamese and Koreans move to Chinatown and “Asian” is a category on the census and all the “Asians” were friends with each other at school.
     
    You got a lot wrong.

    1. "All the Vietnamese and Koreans" do not move to Chinatown. They have Little Saigon and Koreatown. Even then, these are usually commercial districts, not where they live. When they "make it," they tend to desire nice white suburbs.

    2. That "Asian" is a category on the census doesn't mean anything. South Asians are also "Asian," but are very different people from East Asians. Polynesians and Hawaiians used to be lumped with "Asians" for a time. Census designations are a product of bureaucracy and politics (as well as convenience, I guess).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    Unlike blacks, Asians don't have a common race-consciousness, except that picked up by SJW-types in the U.S. who are a tiny fraction of the Asian population in the U.S. They don't even share a common language/culture as Hispanics do. They are divided by languages, cultures, phenotypes, genetics, histories of mutual enmity back home, and a whole host of other factors.

    In ethno-racial terms, "Asian" is a category that is manufactured in the U.S. for socio-political purposes, not an organic term (at least in Britain, "Asian" means South Asian, i.e. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan).

    3. All the Asians are not friends with each other at school or anywhere else. Although younger ones tend to intermix more, Koreans, for example, detest the Japanese a lot more than they do anyone else (except perhaps blacks).

    I didn’t see any intra-Asian segregation along country-of-origin lines in high school. College had groups like this, but college was large enough to have critical masses of Korean, Mandarin-speaking Chinese and Cantonese-speaking Chinese fobs to have formal groups separated by race. Meanwhile, none of my Asian friends had any trouble getting sushi for lunch and kbbq for dinner, all as an integrated group.

    …how gray is your hair, again? ;)

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  129. Brutusale says:
    @Twinkie
    Pure poetry. I see why you were impressed with another commenter repeating “patriotard” and “LARP” ad nauseam. So clever.

    Oh Twink, relax a bit.

    And italicize ad nauseum.

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    But, first, get the spelling right.
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  130. Twinkie says:
    @Brutusale
    Oh Twink, relax a bit.

    And italicize ad nauseum.

    But, first, get the spelling right.

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  131. Twinkie says:
    @Stationary Feast

    Although the author of this idiotic screed has a Vietnamese surname, Vietnamese (along with Koreans) have been traditionally strongly Republican-leaning unlike, say, Indians.
     
    I hear that's first-generation only. Afterwards they regress to the state mean at the very least, and they're clustered in blue states.

    I hear that’s first-generation only. Afterwards they regress to the state mean at the very least, and they’re clustered in blue states.

    There are generational differences, yes. But it’s not one of regressing from generation one and on. Also, religion and national origin play a much stronger role on Asian voting patterns than generations (e.g. evangelical Asians tend to vote strongly for the GOP).

    And Texas is not a blue state.

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  132. Forbes says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    Has shaming really been tossed out? More like reconfigured. Victim-shaming is one of the key acts of desecration in the religion of Intersectionality. Positive affirmation and societal reification of another person’s sense of victimhood, however slight or subjective, is one of the its sacraments. And you mentioned struggle sessions, essentially a punitive ritual of shaming those who violate these sacraments.

    Victim-shaming appears to be, in most contexts, noticing. Requiring positive affirmation is a dictatorial game of power and control–but that is the point of SJWs.

    That SJWs, in their effort to control/enforce conformity, participate in shaming others, is likely part of their arsenal. What I was remarking on is the idea of people actually feeling shame, i.e. being ashamed of their behavior–not imposing shame on another.

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  133. @Twinkie

    In the US, Oriental means the Far East.
     
    "Far East" of where? East Asia is "Far West" from the U.S.

    Oriental was used to refer to both Vietnamese and Koreans in the past. Southeast Asian vs. Northeast Asian. Different genetics, languages, cultures, etc.

    The point is, the word simply means "Eastern" and is nebulous.

    The far East of the planet, there, Yoohoo; just as, despite their arbitrary assignation and the concomitantly arbitrary (but accepted as nearly universal by convention) orientation of most maps, there are a Northern Hemisphere and a Southern Hemisphere, there are a Western Hemisphere and a n Eastern Hemisphere, delineated by meridians and international geographical convention.

    I would not expect it of you (it’s more Yan Shen’s gimmick), but your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.

    You had might as well, in a discussion of American geography, insist that the South has no meaning because, dammit, Georgia is north of Puerto Rico.

    Calm down; have some dip.

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    Damned editor.

    Nor is Oriental nebulous in this context of race. Epicanthic folds, straight and dark hair, dry ear wax, brown eyes? Oriental.

    Hence Jordanians, albeit Asians, are not Oriental. Before the ongoing bastardisation of the King's English began about fifty years ago everyone understood this stuff easily; it is actually easier to understand the world when words have meaning and language is precise. You, Twinkie, are old enough to know all this stuff. Knock it off being leftishly confused about these perfectly serviceable words.
    , @Twinkie

    your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.
     
    Show me where I seek “cash and prizes” or take offense at the term Oriental.

    I’ve commented on the Oriental vs. East Asian label a number of times here - in every single instance, I bemoaned the lack of precision of the term in this day of advanced geographical knowledge, and never evinced any desire for preferential treatment or indignation of being insulted.

    Some people here seem utterly incapable of reading what is actually in the text, rather than whatever they wish to read into it, so that they can be the aggrieved, outraged party.
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  134. @Autochthon
    The far East of the planet, there, Yoohoo; just as, despite their arbitrary assignation and the concomitantly arbitrary (but accepted as nearly universal by convention) orientation of most maps, there are a Northern Hemisphere and a Southern Hemisphere, there are a Western Hemisphere and a n Eastern Hemisphere, delineated by meridians and international geographical convention.

    I would not expect it of you (it's more Yan Shen's gimmick), but your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.

    You had might as well, in a discussion of American geography, insist that the South has no meaning because, dammit, Georgia is north of Puerto Rico.

    Calm down; have some dip.

    Damned editor.

    Nor is Oriental nebulous in this context of race. Epicanthic folds, straight and dark hair, dry ear wax, brown eyes? Oriental.

    Hence Jordanians, albeit Asians, are not Oriental. Before the ongoing bastardisation of the King’s English began about fifty years ago everyone understood this stuff easily; it is actually easier to understand the world when words have meaning and language is precise. You, Twinkie, are old enough to know all this stuff. Knock it off being leftishly confused about these perfectly serviceable words.

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    Nor is Oriental nebulous in this context of race. Epicanthic folds, straight and dark hair, dry ear wax, brown eyes? Oriental.

    Hence Jordanians, albeit Asians, are not Oriental. Before the ongoing bastardisation of the King’s English began about fifty years ago everyone understood this stuff easily
     
    So when “the King’s English” referred to Oriental despotism, it meant, say, Chinese despotism, rather than that of the Persians or Indians? I think it is you who do not understand the Latin provenance of the term and it’s associated long, historical context.

    My objection to Oriental is not ideological - it’s lack of precision. I find East Asian (better yet, Northeast Asian) cartographically much more precise, akin to describing Bantus as sub-Saharan African, rather than just African.

    Not everything different from 50 years ago is ideological bastardization.
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  135. @Chrisnonymous
    You know what's interesting?

    Japan is the land of microinvalidations. You can live here for years, and people will still comment with amazement "You can use chopsticks? Wow!"

    What's interesting is that this doesn't really bother me, but it really gets under the skin of other foreigners--foreigners who tend to be leftists.

    I was about to add the same thing about Korea. I have been complimented on my ability to use chopsticks and on my ability to order a cafe latte and state my address in Korean to taxi drivers. Until now, I had not realized that these were microinvalidations. But they are, and I now live in fear of the “depression, anxiety, fear of social interaction, and self-esteem and confidence issues” these apparently induce.

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  136. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon
    Damned editor.

    Nor is Oriental nebulous in this context of race. Epicanthic folds, straight and dark hair, dry ear wax, brown eyes? Oriental.

    Hence Jordanians, albeit Asians, are not Oriental. Before the ongoing bastardisation of the King's English began about fifty years ago everyone understood this stuff easily; it is actually easier to understand the world when words have meaning and language is precise. You, Twinkie, are old enough to know all this stuff. Knock it off being leftishly confused about these perfectly serviceable words.

    Nor is Oriental nebulous in this context of race. Epicanthic folds, straight and dark hair, dry ear wax, brown eyes? Oriental.

    Hence Jordanians, albeit Asians, are not Oriental. Before the ongoing bastardisation of the King’s English began about fifty years ago everyone understood this stuff easily

    So when “the King’s English” referred to Oriental despotism, it meant, say, Chinese despotism, rather than that of the Persians or Indians? I think it is you who do not understand the Latin provenance of the term and it’s associated long, historical context.

    My objection to Oriental is not ideological – it’s lack of precision. I find East Asian (better yet, Northeast Asian) cartographically much more precise, akin to describing Bantus as sub-Saharan African, rather than just African.

    Not everything different from 50 years ago is ideological bastardization.

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  137. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon
    The far East of the planet, there, Yoohoo; just as, despite their arbitrary assignation and the concomitantly arbitrary (but accepted as nearly universal by convention) orientation of most maps, there are a Northern Hemisphere and a Southern Hemisphere, there are a Western Hemisphere and a n Eastern Hemisphere, delineated by meridians and international geographical convention.

    I would not expect it of you (it's more Yan Shen's gimmick), but your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.

    You had might as well, in a discussion of American geography, insist that the South has no meaning because, dammit, Georgia is north of Puerto Rico.

    Calm down; have some dip.

    your protestations smack of the disingenuous and obstreperous attitude of the Nyugen creature and her ilk who demand to simultaneously get cash and prizes for being Oriental whilst feigning offense at being recognised as Oriental.

    Show me where I seek “cash and prizes” or take offense at the term Oriental.

    I’ve commented on the Oriental vs. East Asian label a number of times here – in every single instance, I bemoaned the lack of precision of the term in this day of advanced geographical knowledge, and never evinced any desire for preferential treatment or indignation of being insulted.

    Some people here seem utterly incapable of reading what is actually in the text, rather than whatever they wish to read into it, so that they can be the aggrieved, outraged party.

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