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Screenshot 2015-12-04 16.00.29 Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

Of course, if this NYT graph had started with the nice round number of ’00 instead of ’02.

And the liberal New America foundation’s definitions are conveniently narrow. Where’s the ritual triple murder of Jewish weed dealers in Waltham, MA on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 likely carried out by Chechen Muslim asylees? On the other side, where’s Omar Thornton’s octuple murder of whites he accused of racism? Where are all the black-on-black killings in Baltimore and St. Louis this year that the Administration and media have egged on?

But stuff like Omar Thornton are, in effect, domestic disputes and thus somewhat inevitable. In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.

 
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  1. Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

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    • Replies: @Glossy
    I would guess that the use of steroids and aphrodisiacs is more common in Mr. Deen's profession than in most.
    , @Abe

    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

     

    'Nother feminist gun mishap.
    , @Anonymous
    Yup.

    'Porn stars' moaning about 'being raped'.
    Fish moan about 'being wet'.
    , @AndrewR
    I am neither surprised at the degeneracy of a porn star nor sympathetic to his fellow porn star alleged victims.
    , @Anonymous
    Unlike the rest of us here who don't watch porn, I do. I remember watching porn involving Deen and Shyla Stylez, and I remember seeing Deen being aggressive in a way I thought uncalled for, and Stylez responding in a resentful way as if it wasn't planned and not something she signed up for. It seemed obvious that this was something that was his own nasty little sadistic streak coming through, not part of the script.

    I thought to myself, you are a nasty little twerp and I don't want to watch anything else with you in it. Now this thing has come out about Deen in the media, it is not surprising to me at all. It is doubly validating that his supposed feminism and publicly announcing his Jewish background has not been an adequate shield for him.

    Porn stars may be basically a variant of hooker but it doesn't mean they are devoid of rights or deserve to have nasty things done to them by scumbags.
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  2. They finally showed a pic on tv of the female killer. Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

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    • Replies: @fish

    Strange: she looks like a man in drag.
     
    Shit....everybody is looking for "motive"....having to stare at that for the next 50 years might make the sweet embrace of death appealing in comparison.
    , @advancedatheist
    She did give birth.

    Considering that Syed Farook apparently couldn't pull a more attractive wife, the Manosphere bloggers will have some fun at his and Tashfeen's expense.
    , @SPMoore8
    Since I have harped on the theme of what "Tashfeen Malik" looked like, all I can say now, is I thought Mohammed Atta was dead.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.
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  3. In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.

    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn’t want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are “helping ISIS.”

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now(about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is “good for ISIS.”

    Ultimately ISIS doesn’t pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

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    Islamists have an explicit policy of conquering Europe through immigration, last thing they want are tougher border controls too.
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  4. In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.

    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn’t want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are “helping ISIS.”

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now (about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is “good for ISIS.”

    Ultimately ISIS doesn’t pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

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    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters.
     
    The argument I heard them make is that ISIS is trying to creating a caliphate, and you very well can't create something like this if there is little to no populace. So ISIS apparently wants the refugees to think that Europe is a bad place so that they will stay in the caliphate. If Europe instead takes them in, then ISIS's caliphate would be devoid of people.

    So they say...
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Any argumentum ad ISIS should be ignored, since, invariably, what ISIS wants is the opposite of what the arguer advocates, and, besides, we should do what's in our interest, whether ISIS likes it or not.

    For example, ISIS probably wants us to stop bombing them in the Middle East, and I think we should stop - not because ISIS wants us to, but because it's counterproductive. Let them build up their state there and let radical Muslims in the west move there. Just don't let them come back, and we'll be set.
    , @24AheadDotCom
    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us

    1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they're told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers.

    2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can't make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren't capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w "thought" leaders can't make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders. To make things much worse, those "thought" leaders are enabled by a crew of fans rather than those fans demanding they do their jobs.
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  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Sensational claim that Cristiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with kickboxer friend emerges after French TV panellist suggests their ‘cuddling’ could affect the star on the pitch”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346048/Outrageous-rumour-Cristiano-Ronaldo-gay-relationship-kickboxer-friend-emerges-French-TV-panellist-suggests-cuddling-affect-star-pitch.html

    “Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a Moroccan kickboxer, it has been sensationally claimed.

    The bizarre report surfaced after stories emerged in the Spanish press that he was making regular trips to Morocco to see Hari.

    The Portuguese footballer, known for dating a string of supermodel girlfriends, was said to regularly visit kickboxer friend Badr Hari for ‘cuddles’. “

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    One of the Paris attackers is still on the lam. He was said to be a gay rent boy.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/missing-paris-attacker-loved-gay-bars-and-playstation/

    They still haven't found him. It's as if he's been forgotten. It's amazing how we have become accustomed to these atrocities.
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  6. At its core, the liberal attitude towards immigration and promotion of multiculturalism is an expression of revulsion at what America is and was, and a refusal to acknowledge that the accomplishments of Western civilization (i.e. white people) dwarf that of everyone else. They think changing the demography of the country will make the country better or less sinful and will not in any way impact our quality of life and/or our cultural and scientific output. That’s not a bet I would place, but it’s one the left and an influential portion of the right is happy to make.

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  7. Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don’t get it.

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    I'm acquainted with the creator of the table. It's derived from the cited data sources, which are real. Like it says in the y-axis label, the numbers are just the percentage of mass shootings carried out by members of the race/ethnicity given, divided by the percentage of the overall US population that are members of that race/ethnicity. A score of 1 (dashed line) is the overrepresented/underrepresented threshold.

    One caveat is that the population data used to generate the denominator was the 2000 Census, which is close to the middle of the 1982-2015 period, but since the population was in flux throughout that period, the population percentage numbers aren't absolutely perfect. Also, Arabs had to be separated out in the Mother Jones data since MJ didn't do that. Nidal Malik Hasan, John Zawahri, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, Syed Rizwan Farook were counted as Arab (although it may turn out that Farook was not 'Arab' in the technical sense). His wife wasn't included in the data since she hadn't been ID'd yet, but including her would jack up the Arab numbers even more, obviously. Abdelkrim Belachheb (Moroccan) was removed from the "white" category and put into "other," along with that mulatto guy in Oregon.

    , @Anonymous
    One might think that "gang mass shootings/drive bys" have not been counted as "mass shootings". Maybe leading to why black and hispanic numbers seem relatively low in this graph.
    , @Doorway
    I'm wondering, who the hell is "other" on this graph?
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    One concern I have is that the Census Data on "Arab" population are based on those with ancestry in countries where the predominant language is a form of Arabic. This will exclude persons whose ancestors are from Pakistan (Urdu) or any of the other Muslim or part-Muslim states bordering Russia, e.g., Chechnya, Georgia, Kazahkstan, Kyrghystan, etc., etc.. A lot of the mass shootings committed by Muslims are from these areas, e.g., the Tsarnaevs. I'm concerned that the "Arab" computation may be (Percent of all mass murders in the Mother Jones listing committed by those classified as Muslim or with vaguely sounding Muslim names)/(Census proportion of population classified as "Arab") This would tend to over-inflate the "Arab" column in the graphic.

    I suspect the message of the graph is more or less correct and it's a powerful rhetorical tool. But if my concerns about the computation are correct this graphic could be turned around by some "expert" on NPR or CNN or any other megaphone in the MSM's progressive echo chamber to demonstrate that opponents of the current BO-fomented and BO-enabled invasion of the USA are innumerate hicks who don't understand the subtleties of "scholarly" research. Just saying.....
    , @Karl
    >> what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean?


    It means the numbers are "normalized". In the probability/statistics usage of that word.

    And here I was, thinking that the iStev-osphere could handle a simple algebra "word problem".

    It's ninth grade material - well, in the 1950's it was.
    , @Hail

    what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean?
     
    One useful way to look at it: At these rates and given equal population numbers for all groups, Arabs are predicted to commit something like 15 mass shootings for every White-perpetrated mass shooting. (The dotted line seems to be over "1" and Whites are below it). The key is understanding that this is implied to be given equal population numbers. Obviously, population numbers are not equal and there are something like fifty times as many European-Americans as Arab-Americans.

    Whites may commit the most in absolute numbers, but they are also the majority of the population... Blacks commit proportionally more than Whites but it seems far fewer than would be expected given their much-higher murder rate...
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  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The way I see it, as long as Muslims blow up blue cities and states, it ain’t my problem.

    People like myself have been saying END GLOBALISM AND SUPPORT NATIONALISM AND PLUG THE BORDERS, but blue city/state jerks have been giving people like myself the middle finger and using nasty names.

    So OKAY. If Muslims go nuts and kill blue city/state folks, what do I care?

    My attitude is strictly:

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  9. Who exactly are these “non Islamic extremists?” Are they counting Adam Lanza and other assorted loonies as extremists?

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  10. Steve

    Interesting that you singled out Omar Thornton in your post as a “domestic” problem. Do you consider Dylan Roof and Robert Lewis Dear as “domestic” problems also? Are they also inevitable?

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    Yeah, the crimes of Thornton, Roof, etc., they're like somebody in your family getting murdered by somebody else in your family. A horrible thing, but it's inevitable it's going to happen now and then in somebody's family.

    In contrast, what are we up to now just from the absolutely tiny number of Chechens let in by the U.S. government either due to commission or omission: seven dead Americans because Uncle Ruslan used to be married to a CIA man's daughter?

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  11. The New America Foundation is run by Anne-Marie Slaughter. Check out her facebook page if you want a laugh.

    The North African Jewish guy in Houston killed by his Muslim friend when the Muslim guy decided to go Islamic a few years back. And what about the fathers who kill their female relatives for not being Islamic enough? Surely Anne-Marie is a feminist; why does this not count? There are lots of local stories being overlooked by the NAF.

    I suspect this graph will come down in the near future. Unfortunately I think the Islamists are going to more than catch up in the near future, even with Anne-Marie’s deliberately restrictive definition and convenient time frame for the Muslim side.

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  12. As if we needed more indication that “our” establishment is thoroughly corrupt:

    Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute Those Who Use ‘Anti-Muslim’ Speech That ‘Edges Toward Violence’

    The day after a horrific shooting spree by what appears to be a radicalized Muslim man and his partner in San Bernardino, California, Attorney General Loretta Lynch pledged to a Muslim advocacy and lobbying group that she would take aggressive action against anyone who used “anti-Muslim rhetoric” that “edges toward violence.”

    Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocates’ 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her “greatest fear” is the “incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric” in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech.

    Everybody got that? The problem isn’t that Muslim terrorists are killing people wherever they are foolishly welcomed, but white folks talking about it. That’s the real crime. Which is why Hussein & Lynch aren’t talking about cracking down on Muslim terrorism, but instead about cracking down on Americans’ dangerous right to free speech.

    This is the sort of thing the venal small-town sheriff does in the movies. Bruce Dern arresting the hooker for witnessing a gunfight and getting smacked around in Last Man Standing is a great example: “By the time the law showed up, I was long gone…but the sheriff didn’t let me down. He investigated the whole thing…then arrested the hooker.”

    Islam is going to decapitate Leftism in the public square. It’s only a matter of time.

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    Someone should have asked her if she planned on prosecuting BLM protesters for using violent rhetoric against cops.

    Wouldn't it feel awesome if we actually had a government that was on our side. That would be great.
    , @Anonymous
    Islamists will also decapitate plenty of right-wingers on the way. Even if you're lucky enough not to be one of them, they might want to torture you as they did Muslim convert Theo Padnos, before you all go off to pray.
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  13. I have had great fun pointing out to the peddlars of that graph that the U.S. Muslim population is about 6.7 million and the non-Muslim population is 315 million. Even only counting the evil white men it’s still 95 million. So if the body counts are at all close, they are only making my case that Team Islam is a bigger threat.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I have had great fun pointing out to the peddlars of that graph that the U.S. Muslim population is about 6.7 million and the non-Muslim population is 315 million. Even only counting the evil white men it’s still 95 million. So if the body counts are at all close, they are only making my case that Team Islam is a bigger threat."

    95 million White men in America. Can you imagine if there were 95 million Muslims in the U.S? We would be lucky to just go a whole week without there being an Islamic terrorist on U.S soil, so forget about going a whole year without one.

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  14. Let’s play juxtapose the headlines:

    For Woman in Shooting, Easy Passage Through U.S. Visa Process

    ISIS loyalist woman in San Bernardino massacre is linked to Pakistan’s most notorious radical cleric and mosque known as center for fundamentalists

    Obama Not Worried About Taking Syrian Refugees

    Yeah, we know Hussein’s not worried. He’s got Secret Service protection for life.

    The woman who was linked to Pakistan’s most notorious Muslim extremists breezed through US immigration and then helped murder 14 Americans; Hussein says we’re giving a similarly rigorous screening to the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Islamic State sympathizers he’s decided to allow into our country against popular opinion and without our permission. Oh, and his Attorney General is now declaring that she won’t tolerate any harsh language toward the Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?

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    By the way, how many muslims are there in the Secret Service?
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  15. I’m trying to imagine the discussion involved in starting the chart in 2000 or 2002.

    Some elephants are just too big to be noticed.

    This chart represents not just our media, but our whole society, from education and acadamia to pop culture to politics.

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  16. Do Polar Bear attacks count as Extremism? Or Michael Brown Retribution attacks?

    Or can only whites count as Extremists?

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  17. New America also omits the DC snipers, John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo. That’s another 17 for Team Islam, putting them well in the lead.

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  18. i see the “frontlash” is in full narrative bloom in the msm:

    MEANWHILE: At The Washington Post: “After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash.”

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/12/as-san-bernardino-attack-was-happening.html

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    MEANWHILE: At The Washington Post: “After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash.”

     

    They're trying to distract us from the obvious conclusion that it's not the Moslems who deserve the backlash, but the nasties who let them in. And the nasties, such as WaPo, who cheered them on.
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  19. @Drake

    In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.
     
    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn’t want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are “helping ISIS.”

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now (about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is “good for ISIS.”

    Ultimately ISIS doesn’t pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters.

    The argument I heard them make is that ISIS is trying to creating a caliphate, and you very well can’t create something like this if there is little to no populace. So ISIS apparently wants the refugees to think that Europe is a bad place so that they will stay in the caliphate. If Europe instead takes them in, then ISIS’s caliphate would be devoid of people.

    So they say…

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    And it's not like they can work on building the the caliphate in, say, France.

    What would be wrong with a caliphate in the Middle East? Isn't that kind of like Saudi Arabia today?

    There's always the old standby argument that unchecked immigrant flow from Syria (which I take to mean "any Muslim country") is the best and only way to jumpstart economies, and that without them Germany, France and Isr -- I mean Jap -- excuse me, I mean America are this close to just stopping without an injection of Merkel Youth.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Let them have all the Muslims they want. Then maybe send ISIS money to keep them there. I bet it would be cheaper to pay them off than to pay off Turkey. And it would be cheaper than bombing them.
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  20. Of course, if this NYT graph had started with the nice round number of 2000 …

    Ah yes. Progs love to cherry pick start points on a graph. Isn’t there some other big issue that a bunch of leaders are gathering to discuss this week that is largely based upon a similar use of a subjective starting date?

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    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    You'd think the '02 starting point would be too glaring even for the NYT and their readers. This is like tracking the number of European war deaths in the 20th century beginning in 1945.
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  21. There’s been a big uptick in deaths from Islamic and non-Islamic extremists since Obama took office.

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  22. Isolationism was a good policy. We should bring it back.

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  23. What everyone knows about seven -eleven makes it strange what no one mentions as an assumption, how unassimilated it never stops feeling. These people of smudge-hue I’m speaking of, these foreigners so greedy to own all the small things, no one says they seem trained to be subtly unfriendly, stealthily hateful. I submit that this is the Muslim-American thing, the diffident transaction of snacks, and has not produced a proper mood of national dissatisfaction: precisely because it is quiet. Encountered briefly but often and commonly, these people have been hating us to our face insidiously my whole life and its time to be disturbed by it. Apu has been a false-symbol, and maybe obscured our perception profoundly.

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  24. Cryptogenic [AKA "Gentile Ben"] says:
    @iSteveFan

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters.
     
    The argument I heard them make is that ISIS is trying to creating a caliphate, and you very well can't create something like this if there is little to no populace. So ISIS apparently wants the refugees to think that Europe is a bad place so that they will stay in the caliphate. If Europe instead takes them in, then ISIS's caliphate would be devoid of people.

    So they say...

    And it’s not like they can work on building the the caliphate in, say, France.

    What would be wrong with a caliphate in the Middle East? Isn’t that kind of like Saudi Arabia today?

    There’s always the old standby argument that unchecked immigrant flow from Syria (which I take to mean “any Muslim country”) is the best and only way to jumpstart economies, and that without them Germany, France and Isr — I mean Jap — excuse me, I mean America are this close to just stopping without an injection of Merkel Youth.

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  25. Yes, if you include the 9/11 deaths it dwarfs the rest of the graph. If you include the deaths from the wars which resulted it dwarfs it even more. And that doesn’t even factor in all the money – the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on two stupid wars because, by golly, closing our borders to people who hate us would just be so mean.

    If you really want to know how committed the establishment is to shoving open borders down our throats, forget events like 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, etc. just look at the ca. $1 trillion blown on two wars.

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    Right, and it definitely doesn't factor in the quality of life changes that have happened since 9-11, such as the intensive screening at airports. That's a lot of negative that got left off the ledger.
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  26. Note the ridiculous supposition that Islamic terrorism is only responsible for 44% of domestic terrorist victims so its wrong to associate terrorism with Islam.

    Muslims make up 1% of the US population and at 44% that s an over-representation of 4,400%! Whether Islamic terrorism claims an absolute majority or not is besides the point.

    Also non-Islamic terrorists are natives who we are stuck with. Muslim terrorists are immigrants or children of immigrants. We chose to bring these terrorists into our country.

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  27. Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran’s been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn’t let them in to ours, but that “impressive chip” was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you’d be angry too.

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    "Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown."

    The Muslims would be wise to start calling that the Thirty Year Holocaust.

    Or do the Jews have the word holocaust trademarked?
    , @Whiskey
    Each one of these points is faulty. The Palestinians could have had a deal, in 1999, with Clinton forcing the Israeli government to the table, and Arafat walked away and launched the intifada. The Palestinians don't want peace. They want and need War with Israel, because otherwise there would be no money flowing in from the Gulf. The Palestinians could have had most though not all of the West Bank, Gaza, and shared sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem but that was not enough. So they chose war and got it, good and hard.

    As for the rest, they were both corrupt and incompetent societies that attracted intervention by being both weak and aggressive. The Netherlands, Ireland, and Luxembourg are weak but not aggressive, the most they do is arcane corporate tax breaks for big companies. Libya stirred up African adventurism, and terrorism against the US and Europe, eventually Khadafi found himself without friends and with an incompetent military. Ditto Iraq, and the lunatics who run Iran have at least a competent military but keep picking fights: with the Sunni Gulf, with the US periodically, with Turkey and the neo-Ottoman Erdogan.

    The US and the West is the least of the Islamic World's worries. China is increasingly dependent on ME oil, which means they not us will be intervening to assure supply. The Chinese would happily slaughter most Muslims to get cheap oil and sleep soundly at night. They sold their own people poisoned baby milk after all.

    Muslim society has failed, time and time again, to grasp real power: put religion in a box, where it does not interfere with daily business and scientific life; liberate women to be literate and productive inside and outside the home; get rid of polygamy; get rid of sexual segregation; get rid of male violence and tribalism; get rid of clans and castes; create a nation-state of honest, ably administered government and promote private industry and technology. Japan has done this, to some extent China and South Korea. None are particularly Western.

    Muslim poverty and violence are not the result of say, America dropping two atomic bombs on them, but their own desire to be Muslim, that is polygamous, tribal, clannish, harshly patriarchal, with all the poverty, misery, and distrust that implies. Eventually some fully industrialized nation will simply annihilate them. Aggression plus weakness spells disaster in the end.
    , @dr kill
    Well now, that is one way to look at it.
    , @Cwhatfuture
    The impressive chip was placed there by the Koran and the Hadith and Shariah. Syrian Muslims do not slaughter Syrian Shia because they are mad about the Iranian revolution in the 1950s. Iraq and Iran did not kill one million of each other because they were mad at Israel. If they would do this to each other - fellow Muslims - all the more so they would do it to us when they get their chance. And they do. I for one do not give a flying f about their endless complaints, offence, terror, misery, Koran and their special pleading. Just don't let them in here and they can kill each other as much as they like, and blame it on the Jews as much as they like, and have Westeners agree with them as much as you like - aslong as they don't come here.
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  28. @Wilkey
    Yes, if you include the 9/11 deaths it dwarfs the rest of the graph. If you include the deaths from the wars which resulted it dwarfs it even more. And that doesn't even factor in all the money - the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on two stupid wars because, by golly, closing our borders to people who hate us would just be so mean.

    If you really want to know how committed the establishment is to shoving open borders down our throats, forget events like 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, etc. just look at the ca. $1 trillion blown on two wars.

    Right, and it definitely doesn’t factor in the quality of life changes that have happened since 9-11, such as the intensive screening at airports. That’s a lot of negative that got left off the ledger.

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  29. @Drake

    In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.
     
    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn’t want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are “helping ISIS.”

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now (about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is “good for ISIS.”

    Ultimately ISIS doesn’t pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

    Any argumentum ad ISIS should be ignored, since, invariably, what ISIS wants is the opposite of what the arguer advocates, and, besides, we should do what’s in our interest, whether ISIS likes it or not.

    For example, ISIS probably wants us to stop bombing them in the Middle East, and I think we should stop – not because ISIS wants us to, but because it’s counterproductive. Let them build up their state there and let radical Muslims in the west move there. Just don’t let them come back, and we’ll be set.

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  30. Muslims are just 1-2% of the US population, so per capita they’re way overachieving. They are to terrorism what the Jews are to punditry and Supreme Courtisanism.

    Imagine what they could accomplish if they became 10%!

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    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don't have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they're ten percent of their population, but because they haven't done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we'd have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.
    , @cwhatfuture
    We don't have to imagine what will happen when Muslims reach 10% of the population, we just need to look at Europe and we know what will happen - except it will be worse. Unlike many of the commentators above who believe we are getting "better" Muslims than Europe, I do not believe this at all. We have merely gotten less Muslims. In fact, considering the death toll including 9/11, which was perpetrated by legal visitors who undoubtedly would have received green cards had they waited a bit, we have gotten far worse Muslims than Europe. Much worse. Islamic terror is not caused by poverty. In fact it seems to come from the middle and profession classes. Bin Laden was wealthy. The killers in San Bernadino were not poor at all - we are reminded in every article that "they were living the American Dream" (as if the dream is to murder your co-workers). Don't look to our "exemplary" muslim population to produce Salk and Sabin, or even Bacharach and David. Islam is a horror show and we have brought it here.
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  31. @iSteveFan

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters.
     
    The argument I heard them make is that ISIS is trying to creating a caliphate, and you very well can't create something like this if there is little to no populace. So ISIS apparently wants the refugees to think that Europe is a bad place so that they will stay in the caliphate. If Europe instead takes them in, then ISIS's caliphate would be devoid of people.

    So they say...

    Let them have all the Muslims they want. Then maybe send ISIS money to keep them there. I bet it would be cheaper to pay them off than to pay off Turkey. And it would be cheaper than bombing them.

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    "Then maybe send ISIS money to keep them there."

    Well at least you're being honest. I hope you watch every beheading video and theologically sanctioned raped of 8 year old girls in HD, during commerical breaks of the Super Bowl.
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  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They waited until Friday night (document dump window) to release the photo and immigration details of Farook’s wife.

    Also an insanely corrupt FBI releases the perp apartment (operational headquarters for the cell) back to the landlord in 36 hours! Then the media is allowed entry en masse to utterly render the premises legally inadmissable in court.

    The apartment was a bomb factory! The FBI announced the case was in fact terrorism midday and then immediately declared the apartment no longer a crime scene!

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  33. Thie Sikh Temple shootout is neither Islamic, nor native-born, nor White. But it sure does suggest that vibrant diversity has a downside. So the NYT naturally added it to the White score. The propaganda is getting so clumsy I’m wondering if someone isn’t sabotaging it a la the underground in Heinlein’s “Revolt in 2100″.

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    Sikh Temple shooter was Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist. Like most ordinary Americans, he might have thought of Sikhs as Arabs/Muslims because of the head dress.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
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  34. @iSteveFan

    Of course, if this NYT graph had started with the nice round number of 2000 …
     
    Ah yes. Progs love to cherry pick start points on a graph. Isn't there some other big issue that a bunch of leaders are gathering to discuss this week that is largely based upon a similar use of a subjective starting date?

    You’d think the ’02 starting point would be too glaring even for the NYT and their readers. This is like tracking the number of European war deaths in the 20th century beginning in 1945.

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  35. anon • Disclaimer says:

    They also put in a clerk dying in a bank robbery in 2004 in the “right wing” section. In theory, the money was supposed to go towards buying weapons, but that still seems like a reach.

    And people seem to forget that it was just because of dumb luck that a lot more people didn’t die from the Boston marathon bombing.

    I also wonder what the graph would look like if they counted all the plots that had been foiled, or that just failed. If the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber had succeeded, that would dwarf the right wing ones too.

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  36. @Drake

    In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.
     
    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn’t want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are “helping ISIS.”

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now (about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is “good for ISIS.”

    Ultimately ISIS doesn’t pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us

    1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they’re told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers.

    2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can’t make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren’t capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w “thought” leaders can’t make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders. To make things much worse, those “thought” leaders are enabled by a crew of fans rather than those fans demanding they do their jobs.

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    "1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they’re told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers."

    You contradict yourself. They don't support it but they do. And why do they support it? Because they are told to do so? So they are weak-willed and pliant. They sound like "mouthbreathers" to me.

    "2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can’t make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren’t capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    You are wrong. Opponents of mass resettlement can, and do, make valid, persuasive arguments against it. Immigration of muslims is bad, not just because it leads to terrorist attacks like the recent one, but because it dilutes the traditional majority of this country and undermines our social and cultural cohesiveness.

    "For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w “thought” leaders can’t make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders."

    Coulter makes lots of good arguments. If liberals are too blinkered or stupid to understand them that is hardly her fault. Agreeing with rightists on immigration would force liberals to cast-off a lot of their beliefs: the proposition nation, that there is no such thing as race, that people are blank slates, etc. They are loath to do this because a.) they haven't been sufficiently hurt by the consequences of these views, and b.) their beliefs are a life-style choice for them - status markers to signal how much better they are than "those people".

    You really shouldn't speak so authoritatively, given how wrong you tend to be.

    , @Hail
    24Ahead, what argument would you make that would turn White liberals against their leaders on the Race Question? (The Immigration Question is ultimately the Race Question, alas.)
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  37. There was some liberal data point going around recently that whites have done more domestic terror since 9/11. If you run the per capita and adjust the Muslims population to the same as whites, it works out to a Muslim terror attack once every 10 days.

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  38. @International Jew
    Muslims are just 1-2% of the US population, so per capita they're way overachieving. They are to terrorism what the Jews are to punditry and Supreme Courtisanism.

    Imagine what they could accomplish if they became 10%!

    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don’t have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they’re ten percent of their population, but because they haven’t done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we’d have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.

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    Sure, it's easier to assimilate 1% than it is 13%. I don't have data, but I think we'd all agree that blacks who don't live in black neighborhoods have better outcomes than ones who do.

    Once you hit a critical mass, it becomes harder for the broader culture to assimilate you, and easier for the outsider culture to resist assimilation.
    , @Discard
    We get a better class of Moslems than Europe does. Those that come here have generally been to college, whereas many of the Moslems in Europe came straight from the casbah.
    , @Wilkey
    "So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they’re ten percent of their population, but because they haven’t done a good job assimilating them."

    No, even tiny groups can fail miserably to assimilate. All they need is one single city to gather in. Somalis in the US flock to Minneapolis, in Sweden they all go to Malmo.

    I think it's mostly that we get a better class of Muslim, or we used to, with a disproportionate number of them coming here as skilled immigrants on H-1B visas. Europe, especially the UK, seems to have a much bigger problem with Muslims marrying their cousins.

    It's time to restrict the numbers and sources countries of people on fiance/marriage visa. When it comes to Middle Easterners and South Asians, most of these visas seem to go to people with arranged marriages. To hell with that. The Islamic and Indian communities in this country are more than large enough to arrange marriages within the country.
    , @Anonymous
    The Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan a bit rough? Why, it's all the fault of those Buddhists who did such a bad job assimilating the Muslims who came to live with them.
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  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    After today’s outrageous hijinks by the Obama Regime the kool kids at places like Ace of Spades HQ and Hot Air are starting to sound like Alex Jones.

    Yes the neocon+neolib sensible establishment is finally realizing that we are politically basically Argentina or Brazil. A lot of these people are finally scared. Finally they realize that they’re not Inner Party. One more big domestic attack and everybody will be feeling the flames of the police state licking at their feet.

    This week a lot more people in Wash DC woke up.

    Good week for Trump. Too bad he loves that giant spy data center in Utah. It’s for our security!

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    George Pataki today:
    https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/672917318482190336
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  40. @Anonymous
    Steve

    Interesting that you singled out Omar Thornton in your post as a "domestic" problem. Do you consider Dylan Roof and Robert Lewis Dear as "domestic" problems also? Are they also inevitable?

    Yeah, the crimes of Thornton, Roof, etc., they’re like somebody in your family getting murdered by somebody else in your family. A horrible thing, but it’s inevitable it’s going to happen now and then in somebody’s family.

    In contrast, what are we up to now just from the absolutely tiny number of Chechens let in by the U.S. government either due to commission or omission: seven dead Americans because Uncle Ruslan used to be married to a CIA man’s daughter?

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    The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans.
    , @Hail
    Was it ever determined whether the Washington Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, was really of Caribbean ancestry? (Recap: Navy Yard victims: 8 Whites, 3 Blacks, 1 Hindu-Indian, all killed before the Black shooter was himself killed. The killer was a civilian contractor with a security clearance, formerly in the Navy, and was a Buddhist. Reports suggest he was motivated by racial grievance.)

    Barbados was mentioned at the time. The Vdare writeup from 2013 says Alexis was born in a Barbadian neighborhood of Queens in 1979, in which case his parents or possibly grandparents will have immigrated.

    If Alexis is of Barbados ancestry and not "American slave ancestry", does that twelve-killed incident qualify as "domestic" or "foreign"?

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  41. I have to wonder how the elite media will wind up spinning Tashfeen Malik’s role in this terrorist act. She must put them in a real bind, because they want to defend unrestricted immigration at all costs; they present Islam as “a religion of peace,” despite evidence to the contrary; and they have propagandized us with this nonsense about the benign wonders of “strong women” for decades.

    So here we have an immigrant Muslim woman who may have radicalized her American-born Muslim husband and turned him into a violent jihadist. And then she joined him on his shooting rampage knowing full well that they would both die and they never see their anchor baby grow up. When feminists and their enablers invented this “strong woman” fantasy, I don’t think they had women like Tashfeen in mind.

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    Exactly.
    , @ben tillman

    So here we have an immigrant Muslim woman who may have radicalized her American-born Muslim husband and turned him into a violent jihadist. And then she joined him on his shooting rampage knowing full well that they would both die and they never see their anchor baby grow up.
     
    Their salient identification was a "group" identification. Their status as part of the Muslim group trumped their status as parents with a six-month-old child.
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  42. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don't have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they're ten percent of their population, but because they haven't done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we'd have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.

    Sure, it’s easier to assimilate 1% than it is 13%. I don’t have data, but I think we’d all agree that blacks who don’t live in black neighborhoods have better outcomes than ones who do.

    Once you hit a critical mass, it becomes harder for the broader culture to assimilate you, and easier for the outsider culture to resist assimilation.

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  43. @Anonymous
    After today's outrageous hijinks by the Obama Regime the kool kids at places like Ace of Spades HQ and Hot Air are starting to sound like Alex Jones.

    Yes the neocon+neolib sensible establishment is finally realizing that we are politically basically Argentina or Brazil. A lot of these people are finally scared. Finally they realize that they're not Inner Party. One more big domestic attack and everybody will be feeling the flames of the police state licking at their feet.

    This week a lot more people in Wash DC woke up.

    Good week for Trump. Too bad he loves that giant spy data center in Utah. It's for our security!

    George Pataki today:

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    Based.
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  44. I usually figure that these sort of things are false flags by the CIA or Mossad. I am trying to figure what the benefit is of this one to our deep state rulers.

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  45. @e
    They finally showed a pic on tv of the female killer. Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

    Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

    Shit….everybody is looking for “motive”….having to stare at that for the next 50 years might make the sweet embrace of death appealing in comparison.

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  46. OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse – I moved back to my parents’ house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don’t know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he’s still the same guy.

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    If someone makes death threats against you, then no, you're not over-reacting. Of course you should call the cops in his town. If nothing else, you can tell them to contact your local police department and at least see if they can get the original report.

    Whether it accomplishes anything or not is anyone's guess. But you don't want to end up feeling like that guy who let the 9/11 hijackers on the plane, do you?
    , @WGG
    I don't think the FBI would listen anyway, but what have you got to lose? Any legal means of ruining a person like that sounds worth it to me.
    , @Lot
    The FBI should be alerted to possible terrorism.

    Online form:
    https://tips.fbi.gov/

    For telephone, call the nearest field office:

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field
    , @The most deplorable one
    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?
    , @Whiskey
    Since Muslims don't belong in the West I'd say report the abuser. Death threats are against the law (well for White men anyway, not sure that applies for Muslims). If the Muslim does not like it, he is free to go to Saudi Arabia or other wonderful places. Heck I'd say you could easily crowdfund a plane ticket for every Muslim in this country to go to Saudi Arabia and never come back.
    , @Anonymous
    Why would you date a non-white in the first place? Don't you want your children to look like you and your family?
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  47. I often read that Islamic terrorists are acting out of sexual frustration, but this guy seems to have been henpecked into it.

    Had he not killed so many people, it would just be pathetic.

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  48. for amusement purposes only:

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    Tbird74
    And this is odd. The MSM are all for women in combat and Jane Jihadi steps up to make their dreams come true. <

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220458/?show-at-comment=1902490#comment-1902490

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  49. Sharia is bad stuff, but is Western Whoria any better?

    It’s worse.

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  50. Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran’s been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn’t let them in to ours, but that “impressive chip” was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you’d be angry too.

    I sympathize. But, for one thing, the fact that so many Islamic states turn into nuthouses the second someone overthrows the despots running them sort of runs counter to your point. For another, the Islamic State is chopping heads off of a lot more Muslims than off of kaffirs, same goes for the women they enslave, etc. That would seem to run counter, too.

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    Inviting the World is bad for America. Invading the World is really bad for the World.
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  51. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don't have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they're ten percent of their population, but because they haven't done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we'd have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.

    We get a better class of Moslems than Europe does. Those that come here have generally been to college, whereas many of the Moslems in Europe came straight from the casbah.

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  52. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    I would guess that the use of steroids and aphrodisiacs is more common in Mr. Deen’s profession than in most.

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    In a documentary about steroids "Bigger Faster Stronger" they interview James Deen, who's injecting Viagra directly into his penis.
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  53. @Svigor
    As if we needed more indication that "our" establishment is thoroughly corrupt:

    Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute Those Who Use 'Anti-Muslim' Speech That 'Edges Toward Violence'


    The day after a horrific shooting spree by what appears to be a radicalized Muslim man and his partner in San Bernardino, California, Attorney General Loretta Lynch pledged to a Muslim advocacy and lobbying group that she would take aggressive action against anyone who used "anti-Muslim rhetoric" that "edges toward violence."

    Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocates' 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her "greatest fear" is the "incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric" in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech.
     

    Everybody got that? The problem isn't that Muslim terrorists are killing people wherever they are foolishly welcomed, but white folks talking about it. That's the real crime. Which is why Hussein & Lynch aren't talking about cracking down on Muslim terrorism, but instead about cracking down on Americans' dangerous right to free speech.

    This is the sort of thing the venal small-town sheriff does in the movies. Bruce Dern arresting the hooker for witnessing a gunfight and getting smacked around in Last Man Standing is a great example: "By the time the law showed up, I was long gone...but the sheriff didn't let me down. He investigated the whole thing...then arrested the hooker."

    Islam is going to decapitate Leftism in the public square. It's only a matter of time.

    Someone should have asked her if she planned on prosecuting BLM protesters for using violent rhetoric against cops.

    Wouldn’t it feel awesome if we actually had a government that was on our side. That would be great.

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  54. @Dave Pinsen
    George Pataki today:
    https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/672917318482190336

    Based.

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  55. @e
    They finally showed a pic on tv of the female killer. Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

    She did give birth.

    Considering that Syed Farook apparently couldn’t pull a more attractive wife, the Manosphere bloggers will have some fun at his and Tashfeen’s expense.

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  56. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    If someone makes death threats against you, then no, you’re not over-reacting. Of course you should call the cops in his town. If nothing else, you can tell them to contact your local police department and at least see if they can get the original report.

    Whether it accomplishes anything or not is anyone’s guess. But you don’t want to end up feeling like that guy who let the 9/11 hijackers on the plane, do you?

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    Oh great, the US is populated with government informers. Welcome to the new DDR.

    That happened "in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse" with abuse being a very subjective term and death threats de rigeur for current aspiring neocon candidates. Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now? Get serious.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That's the freakin' problem.
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  57. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    It is pathetic that modern Americans cannot hold a simple thought in their heads. Were Holmes and Lanza fighting for the same ideology? No? Then how is that remotely comparable to all the soldiers of Islam? It is team Muslim vs. everyone else, wacky lone wolves included. How can they be so into grouping whites, blacks, gun owners, gays, students, etc. Into groups, yet every Muslim is an individual? It isn’t even slightly clever to point out the glaringly obvious contradiction. Overt contradictions of this scale (doublethink) are actually deliberate psychological torture operations.

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  58. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the crimes of Thornton, Roof, etc., they're like somebody in your family getting murdered by somebody else in your family. A horrible thing, but it's inevitable it's going to happen now and then in somebody's family.

    In contrast, what are we up to now just from the absolutely tiny number of Chechens let in by the U.S. government either due to commission or omission: seven dead Americans because Uncle Ruslan used to be married to a CIA man's daughter?

    The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans.

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    But there was the ritual murder on 9/11/11 of the three weed dealers in Waltham, MA. Probably by the elder Tsarnaev and Todashev, although the whole case is so bizarre that we can't be sure.
    , @Wilkey
    "The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans."

    Three at the marathon, one cop afterwards, plus probably the three weed dealers. And the number of non-fatal injuries at the Boston Marathon was enormous: 280 injured, including 16 amputees (three of them losing more than one limb).

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  59. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    I don’t think the FBI would listen anyway, but what have you got to lose? Any legal means of ruining a person like that sounds worth it to me.

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  60. @Nationalist
    Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran's been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn't let them in to ours, but that "impressive chip" was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you'd be angry too.

    “Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown.”

    The Muslims would be wise to start calling that the Thirty Year Holocaust.

    Or do the Jews have the word holocaust trademarked?

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  61. @advancedatheist
    I have to wonder how the elite media will wind up spinning Tashfeen Malik's role in this terrorist act. She must put them in a real bind, because they want to defend unrestricted immigration at all costs; they present Islam as "a religion of peace," despite evidence to the contrary; and they have propagandized us with this nonsense about the benign wonders of "strong women" for decades.

    So here we have an immigrant Muslim woman who may have radicalized her American-born Muslim husband and turned him into a violent jihadist. And then she joined him on his shooting rampage knowing full well that they would both die and they never see their anchor baby grow up. When feminists and their enablers invented this "strong woman" fantasy, I don't think they had women like Tashfeen in mind.

    Exactly.

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  62. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Immediately pull the tax exempt status of any mosque with a terror-linked attendee. The mosque can then undergo a 5 year surveillance investigation that would make proctologists jealous. After passing the 5 year investigation, the mosque can reapply for tax exempt status, but not a refund on the taxes paid. I mean, I would rather just shut down all mosques and boot out the immigrants but that ain’t going to happen.

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  63. @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    The FBI should be alerted to possible terrorism.

    Online form:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/

    For telephone, call the nearest field office:

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field

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    Government stoolie.
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  64. @Anonymous
    The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans.

    But there was the ritual murder on 9/11/11 of the three weed dealers in Waltham, MA. Probably by the elder Tsarnaev and Todashev, although the whole case is so bizarre that we can’t be sure.

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    RE: ritual murders in Mass. Break it down for us, Haven Monahan style.
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  65. @Lot
    The FBI should be alerted to possible terrorism.

    Online form:
    https://tips.fbi.gov/

    For telephone, call the nearest field office:

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field

    Government stoolie.

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  66. I was out with a friend the other night. He’s a straight, white guy, but politically pretty much the exact opposite of me. He’s one of those lefties who believes in absolute open borders (for us, of course; I presume he thinks colonialism was a horrific evil). When I suggest that will cause hundreds of millions of people to move here, he doesn’t seem to have a problem with it, even though he’s also an environmentalist.

    But he seemed almost visibly shaken by the San Bernardino massacre, especially coming as it did just on the heels of the Paris massacre. He said he could imagine it reaching a point where we all decided to stop letting Muslims into the country, and I didn’t sense that he would object to that.

    Attitudes are changing, and fast. After the Paris shooting I had this ominous feeling that we would see several attacks in December, because it’s the holiday season. I’m not superstitious, so I’m not talking premonitions or anything – just that the rate of terrorist attacks all over the world seems to have spiked, and, from their perspective, attacks during Christmas and Hanukkah would be especially “victorious.”

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    I noticed that reaction to the San Bernardino shooting too. That's why it seems like the calls for gun control are almost frenzied. It's like they think that if they shut up about gun control for just a second or two, people might start thinking about the refugee thing, and they can't have that. Heaven help them if people start to take the fact that there was a bomb factory in the house seriously.

    While the shooting was going on, there were a couple of liberal women in my office who basically just stopped working for a couple of hours to watch the news about it online. I could hear them talking about guns and the NRA and Planned Parenthood and what kind of terrible RWNJ would attack a building full of disabled kids. Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn't hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces. They were very quiet the next day, though, and almost seemed a little sick to their stomachs.
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  67. @Anonymous
    The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans.

    “The Boston Bombers only killed 4 Americans.”

    Three at the marathon, one cop afterwards, plus probably the three weed dealers. And the number of non-fatal injuries at the Boston Marathon was enormous: 280 injured, including 16 amputees (three of them losing more than one limb).

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  68. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    But there was the ritual murder on 9/11/11 of the three weed dealers in Waltham, MA. Probably by the elder Tsarnaev and Todashev, although the whole case is so bizarre that we can't be sure.

    RE: ritual murders in Mass. Break it down for us, Haven Monahan style.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Waltham_triple_murder

    I think Steve gets too caught up in the strangeness of the killings when he uses the word "ritual".
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  69. Typical of NYT. What % of US population is Muslim? And they managed to equal everyone else? That’s at least ten times more per capita.

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  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Heartiste blog has been on fire. The Pretty Lies are becoming too expensive.

    And, Pinsen, that is a hell of a tweet from Gov Pataki. He knows we are headed for much worse terrorism.

    The plan all along —-long game—- was to shatter the USA in order to usher in the New World Order. Islamic Jihad is the doorway to a police state and from that point any country can be carved up.

    Breitbart editor calls for readers to buy guns right now!

    Won’t it be interesting if all of us decadent soft americanos are suddenly plunged into a paradigm shift from hell. I read the Pataki quote a few times and I wonder what exactly is being discussed in private in this country —-in high places.

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  71. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    I’m acquainted with the creator of the table. It’s derived from the cited data sources, which are real. Like it says in the y-axis label, the numbers are just the percentage of mass shootings carried out by members of the race/ethnicity given, divided by the percentage of the overall US population that are members of that race/ethnicity. A score of 1 (dashed line) is the overrepresented/underrepresented threshold.

    One caveat is that the population data used to generate the denominator was the 2000 Census, which is close to the middle of the 1982-2015 period, but since the population was in flux throughout that period, the population percentage numbers aren’t absolutely perfect. Also, Arabs had to be separated out in the Mother Jones data since MJ didn’t do that. Nidal Malik Hasan, John Zawahri, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, Syed Rizwan Farook were counted as Arab (although it may turn out that Farook was not ‘Arab’ in the technical sense). His wife wasn’t included in the data since she hadn’t been ID’d yet, but including her would jack up the Arab numbers even more, obviously. Abdelkrim Belachheb (Moroccan) was removed from the “white” category and put into “other,” along with that mulatto guy in Oregon.

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  72. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don't have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they're ten percent of their population, but because they haven't done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we'd have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.

    “So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they’re ten percent of their population, but because they haven’t done a good job assimilating them.”

    No, even tiny groups can fail miserably to assimilate. All they need is one single city to gather in. Somalis in the US flock to Minneapolis, in Sweden they all go to Malmo.

    I think it’s mostly that we get a better class of Muslim, or we used to, with a disproportionate number of them coming here as skilled immigrants on H-1B visas. Europe, especially the UK, seems to have a much bigger problem with Muslims marrying their cousins.

    It’s time to restrict the numbers and sources countries of people on fiance/marriage visa. When it comes to Middle Easterners and South Asians, most of these visas seem to go to people with arranged marriages. To hell with that. The Islamic and Indian communities in this country are more than large enough to arrange marriages within the country.

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    No, even tiny groups can fail miserably to assimilate.
     
    One "tiny group" I could name has faked assimilation in the U.S. and its elite has worked against the interests of the country's formerly dominant white population.
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  73. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?

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    Women more likely to think, "He's disturbed but I can fix him!"
    , @WGG
    Haha. Over at Chuck Johnson's gotnews.com he has pics of Jackie-the-wacky Coakley's recent wedding to some naive beta. Spoiler alert: she got fat.

    Is that what you meant by "the crazies"?
    , @LL
    I'm as skeptical of most feminist bullshit as the next person reading iSteve, but this did really happen, and I can only hope that it won't happen again to other naive girls.

    I was brought up in a secular conservative family, but I thought my dad was wrong about Muslims, because in college I met a lot of them and they seemed alright to me. In this particular case, my ex started out seeming like a normal guy and got more and more jealous and controlling as time went on, telling me what I couldn't wear and who I couldn't talk to, along with too many other unstable, weird things to list, like locking me in rooms for hours at a time. The more crazy he got the less I felt like I could leave, because he started making threats against my friends and family. When you're in a situation like that, sometimes you just get used to it and hope that maybe if you just don't mess up it will somehow get better, or at least not get worse. Trying to get out of it seemed like it would be worse than just staying in it. When he told me (twice) he'd kill me if I ever broke up with him I knew it would never get better. I moved back home because he was scared of my dad (who was a vocal gun owner), and I'm forever grateful that that was the case, because otherwise I might not have gotten away.

    I learned my lesson, and I've never dated a Muslim man since, nor would I ever tell any woman that it's a good idea to do so. It's a terrible idea, even when they're not as crazy as my ex. I've dated a few other men in my life and never, ever had problems even approaching these. Muslim mores on women's behavior are different than ours, even for a woman brought up in a conservative family like I was. Not even the most right-wing man would think it's normal to tell their girlfriend that they'll murder them and their family if they leave, but that's what's normal for Muslims. We should not be letting more of them into our country.
    , @BB753
    Women love crazy men and bad boys. They can't help themselves. They also like it to stick it to their beta fathers .

    "See Daddy? I've despised your suave ways ever since I turned 11 years old. Now I only date rappers, bikers and drug dealers. Mom was right in divorcing your sorry ass though I've felt so neglected."

    Women turn into sluts the moment men turn into pussies.
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  74. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    ‘Nother feminist gun mishap.

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  75. @Glossy
    I would guess that the use of steroids and aphrodisiacs is more common in Mr. Deen's profession than in most.

    In a documentary about steroids “Bigger Faster Stronger” they interview James Deen, who’s injecting Viagra directly into his penis.

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  76. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    I was out with a friend the other night. He's a straight, white guy, but politically pretty much the exact opposite of me. He's one of those lefties who believes in absolute open borders (for us, of course; I presume he thinks colonialism was a horrific evil). When I suggest that will cause hundreds of millions of people to move here, he doesn't seem to have a problem with it, even though he's also an environmentalist.

    But he seemed almost visibly shaken by the San Bernardino massacre, especially coming as it did just on the heels of the Paris massacre. He said he could imagine it reaching a point where we all decided to stop letting Muslims into the country, and I didn't sense that he would object to that.

    Attitudes are changing, and fast. After the Paris shooting I had this ominous feeling that we would see several attacks in December, because it's the holiday season. I'm not superstitious, so I'm not talking premonitions or anything - just that the rate of terrorist attacks all over the world seems to have spiked, and, from their perspective, attacks during Christmas and Hanukkah would be especially "victorious."

    I noticed that reaction to the San Bernardino shooting too. That’s why it seems like the calls for gun control are almost frenzied. It’s like they think that if they shut up about gun control for just a second or two, people might start thinking about the refugee thing, and they can’t have that. Heaven help them if people start to take the fact that there was a bomb factory in the house seriously.

    While the shooting was going on, there were a couple of liberal women in my office who basically just stopped working for a couple of hours to watch the news about it online. I could hear them talking about guns and the NRA and Planned Parenthood and what kind of terrible RWNJ would attack a building full of disabled kids. Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn’t hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces. They were very quiet the next day, though, and almost seemed a little sick to their stomachs.

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    "Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn’t hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces."

    I was always pretty much 100% confident that it wasn't a right-winger and that, if it actually was more than one shooter, it was Islamic terrorists.

    There are three things which, seen together, pretty much guarantee it's Muslim terrorists:
    1) Multiple perps
    2) A more or less random target, rather than a political one (abortion clinic, black church, federal building, etc.)
    3) The use of bombs

    Bombs require some degree of training to make. Left or right wing political terrorists don't hate all Americans, just certain institutions. Right wing terrorists don't plot with other right-wing terrorists because conservatives are overwhelmingly against political violence, so there just aren't that many around. Most right-wing terrorists are loners. It isn't just the number of Islamic terrorist attacks that proves how extremist Islam is - it's the fact they feel so comfortable plotting with each other.
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  77. @Wilkey
    "So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they’re ten percent of their population, but because they haven’t done a good job assimilating them."

    No, even tiny groups can fail miserably to assimilate. All they need is one single city to gather in. Somalis in the US flock to Minneapolis, in Sweden they all go to Malmo.

    I think it's mostly that we get a better class of Muslim, or we used to, with a disproportionate number of them coming here as skilled immigrants on H-1B visas. Europe, especially the UK, seems to have a much bigger problem with Muslims marrying their cousins.

    It's time to restrict the numbers and sources countries of people on fiance/marriage visa. When it comes to Middle Easterners and South Asians, most of these visas seem to go to people with arranged marriages. To hell with that. The Islamic and Indian communities in this country are more than large enough to arrange marriages within the country.

    No, even tiny groups can fail miserably to assimilate.

    One “tiny group” I could name has faked assimilation in the U.S. and its elite has worked against the interests of the country’s formerly dominant white population.

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  78. @e
    They finally showed a pic on tv of the female killer. Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

    Since I have harped on the theme of what “Tashfeen Malik” looked like, all I can say now, is I thought Mohammed Atta was dead.

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  79. @anon
    If someone makes death threats against you, then no, you're not over-reacting. Of course you should call the cops in his town. If nothing else, you can tell them to contact your local police department and at least see if they can get the original report.

    Whether it accomplishes anything or not is anyone's guess. But you don't want to end up feeling like that guy who let the 9/11 hijackers on the plane, do you?

    Oh great, the US is populated with government informers. Welcome to the new DDR.

    That happened “in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse” with abuse being a very subjective term and death threats de rigeur for current aspiring neocon candidates. Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now? Get serious.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That’s the freakin’ problem.

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    Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now?

    Yeah, pretty much. Better yet would be if he was deported, but we know that's not going to happen.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That’s the freakin’ problem.

    Paranoia is when you worry about someone killing you WITHOUT them actually threatening to do so.

    You think our rulers are "mass murderers? As much as I don't like our current government, even I don't think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?

    Get serious yourself.

    , @WGG
    Ugh. Show some solidarity with the West, you cuck. Who cares if some raging Paki gets his email flagged? Herp derp muh diversity is da greatest strenf.
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  80. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Thie Sikh Temple shootout is neither Islamic, nor native-born, nor White. But it sure does suggest that vibrant diversity has a downside. So the NYT naturally added it to the White score. The propaganda is getting so clumsy I'm wondering if someone isn't sabotaging it a la the underground in Heinlein's "Revolt in 2100".

    Sikh Temple shooter was Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist. Like most ordinary Americans, he might have thought of Sikhs as Arabs/Muslims because of the head dress.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

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  81. Sorry to be posting four comments in such rapid succession, but it would be interesting to know the immigration backstory on Syed Farook and his family.

    Syed was born in the US in 1987. He brought his wife here on a K-1 visa about two years ago. His dad, an immigrant, is or was at some point a truck driver, so he probably didn’t come here on an H-1B visa, though perhaps he did but failed at a STEM career.

    Did Papa Farook come via chain migration, through a brother or sister? Did he come here illegally? Was he legalized via the 1986 amnesty? Syed’s parents appear to have both been immigrants, his wife was an immigrant, and his brother-in-law, Farhan Khan, who spoke at the press conference, is clearly an immigrant.

    How much chain migration has the Farook family benefited from? They seem to be an example of how Muslims manage to multiply in the West before they ever even start multiplying in the biblical sense – by using and abusing immigration laws to bring more and more fellow Muslims into the country. A decade or so ago I remember reading a report that showed that a huge percentage of Turks in the Netherlands, perhaps an overwhelming majority, import their spouses from Turkey, using Western citizenship as a sort of asset to attract a spouse. Supposedly the Netherlands even enacted a law to slow that process down.

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    I wonder if any of this chain migration has a cousin marriage angle?
    , @epebble
    My guess is some sort of relative visa (brother/sister) or (fake) asylum/refugee. Pak has been such a mess since 1960's, it is probably easy to qualify as a refugee/asylee. West Pakis killed millions of East Pakis in 1971; so he could have genuinely claimed fear for his life.
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  82. @The most deplorable one
    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?

    Women more likely to think, “He’s disturbed but I can fix him!”

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  83. @Wilkey
    Sorry to be posting four comments in such rapid succession, but it would be interesting to know the immigration backstory on Syed Farook and his family.

    Syed was born in the US in 1987. He brought his wife here on a K-1 visa about two years ago. His dad, an immigrant, is or was at some point a truck driver, so he probably didn't come here on an H-1B visa, though perhaps he did but failed at a STEM career.

    Did Papa Farook come via chain migration, through a brother or sister? Did he come here illegally? Was he legalized via the 1986 amnesty? Syed's parents appear to have both been immigrants, his wife was an immigrant, and his brother-in-law, Farhan Khan, who spoke at the press conference, is clearly an immigrant.

    How much chain migration has the Farook family benefited from? They seem to be an example of how Muslims manage to multiply in the West before they ever even start multiplying in the biblical sense - by using and abusing immigration laws to bring more and more fellow Muslims into the country. A decade or so ago I remember reading a report that showed that a huge percentage of Turks in the Netherlands, perhaps an overwhelming majority, import their spouses from Turkey, using Western citizenship as a sort of asset to attract a spouse. Supposedly the Netherlands even enacted a law to slow that process down.

    I wonder if any of this chain migration has a cousin marriage angle?

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    "I wonder if any of this chain migration has a cousin marriage angle?"

    I just think it would be interesting to look at the Farook family tree - Syed, his parents, his siblings' spouses, etc. - and see how much of their family is here due to chain migration, marriage visas, etc. Make it a very public example of how retarded and fraudulent our entire immigration system is.

    The way I see it spousal visas should be for people who are marrying someone they've actually met and fallen in love with. If an Indian or Muslim wants an arranged marriage there are plenty of people already in the US they can be hooked up with. Perhaps if we don't already have them we should have numerical limits by country for such visas.
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  84. Syrian refugees reluctant to resettle in Canada immediately, Ottawa says

    http://fw.to/KRExfaj

    Only about 6.3 per cent of refugees contacted indicated they were interested in coming to Canada when the UN got in touch with them between Nov. 18 and 26. This was chiefly in Jordan but also in Lebanon.

    Immigration Minister John McCallum said Canada can still meet its targets despite reluctance among some. “There’s about four millions refugees that we can draw on. And so if a smaller percentage wants to come, we just contact more,” he told reporters in Surrey, B.C.

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    Canada's Immigration Minister John McCallum says Canada can still meet its "targets" to bring Syrians into Canada despite the refugees' reluctance to move there.

    How stupid is that? The whole point of refugees is that they come to you! By definition there is no such thing as a deficit of refugees because the ideal number of refugees-- people who seek temporary shelter while they wait for a deadly threat at home to subside-- is zero! A proper immigration minister would be pleased that there are few refugees at his country's doorstep, if only to conserve his aid budget for some time when it is more urgently needed!
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  85. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Drapetomaniac
    Oh great, the US is populated with government informers. Welcome to the new DDR.

    That happened "in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse" with abuse being a very subjective term and death threats de rigeur for current aspiring neocon candidates. Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now? Get serious.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That's the freakin' problem.

    Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now?

    Yeah, pretty much. Better yet would be if he was deported, but we know that’s not going to happen.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That’s the freakin’ problem.

    Paranoia is when you worry about someone killing you WITHOUT them actually threatening to do so.

    You think our rulers are “mass murderers? As much as I don’t like our current government, even I don’t think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?

    Get serious yourself.

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    You think our rulers are “mass murderers? As much as I don’t like our current government, even I don’t think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?
     
    Give me a break. The invasion of Iraq was a project of mass murder. There's no other way for an honest, intelligent, and perspicacious person to spin it.
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  86. Even within Muslim immigrans, it’s really just a few nationalities that cause all the problems. Usually Pakistanis , Arabs and North Africans. You don’t hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

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    There's probably a quasi-government office in Saudi Arabia tasked with turning laidback Malays into maniacs.
    , @5371
    Malays, Kazakhs and Turkmen don't emigrate much.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You don’t hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.
     
    If they do, it's back home on their own turf, and we don't hear about it. They have their own issues, which are not the Arabs'.

    It's like my Somali neighbors. When their kids are "radicalized", the don't want to kill Americans, they want to kill Ethiopians and Kenyans-- and apostate Somalis-- because that's what's important to them. Each tribe has its own wars to fight.

    But Arabs, they're at war with everybody.
    , @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    The Lindt cafe attack in Sydney was carried out by an Iranian refugee, although he converted from Shia islam to Sunni islam before the attack.
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  87. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @The most deplorable one
    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?

    Haha. Over at Chuck Johnson’s gotnews.com he has pics of Jackie-the-wacky Coakley’s recent wedding to some naive beta. Spoiler alert: she got fat.

    Is that what you meant by “the crazies”?

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  88. @anon
    I noticed that reaction to the San Bernardino shooting too. That's why it seems like the calls for gun control are almost frenzied. It's like they think that if they shut up about gun control for just a second or two, people might start thinking about the refugee thing, and they can't have that. Heaven help them if people start to take the fact that there was a bomb factory in the house seriously.

    While the shooting was going on, there were a couple of liberal women in my office who basically just stopped working for a couple of hours to watch the news about it online. I could hear them talking about guns and the NRA and Planned Parenthood and what kind of terrible RWNJ would attack a building full of disabled kids. Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn't hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces. They were very quiet the next day, though, and almost seemed a little sick to their stomachs.

    “Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn’t hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces.”

    I was always pretty much 100% confident that it wasn’t a right-winger and that, if it actually was more than one shooter, it was Islamic terrorists.

    There are three things which, seen together, pretty much guarantee it’s Muslim terrorists:
    1) Multiple perps
    2) A more or less random target, rather than a political one (abortion clinic, black church, federal building, etc.)
    3) The use of bombs

    Bombs require some degree of training to make. Left or right wing political terrorists don’t hate all Americans, just certain institutions. Right wing terrorists don’t plot with other right-wing terrorists because conservatives are overwhelmingly against political violence, so there just aren’t that many around. Most right-wing terrorists are loners. It isn’t just the number of Islamic terrorist attacks that proves how extremist Islam is – it’s the fact they feel so comfortable plotting with each other.

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    I thought it was pretty dumb to think that it was a right-winger too. I just didn't feel like telling them that.

    The only thing I could think of besides Muslims was maybe the parents of some kid who they thought was abused by the system. But, of course, my first guess was right.

    Their logic was basically that of course it was right-wingers, because who else would ever do something bad? I thought about suggesting that maybe the were Nazis, because they did exterminate disabled people, and maybe they were triggered by that show The Man In The High Castle, where they kill cripples on Tuesdays. They probably would have eaten it right up. I still think it's a little funny that they never came up with that possibility themselves.
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  89. @Wilkey
    Sorry to be posting four comments in such rapid succession, but it would be interesting to know the immigration backstory on Syed Farook and his family.

    Syed was born in the US in 1987. He brought his wife here on a K-1 visa about two years ago. His dad, an immigrant, is or was at some point a truck driver, so he probably didn't come here on an H-1B visa, though perhaps he did but failed at a STEM career.

    Did Papa Farook come via chain migration, through a brother or sister? Did he come here illegally? Was he legalized via the 1986 amnesty? Syed's parents appear to have both been immigrants, his wife was an immigrant, and his brother-in-law, Farhan Khan, who spoke at the press conference, is clearly an immigrant.

    How much chain migration has the Farook family benefited from? They seem to be an example of how Muslims manage to multiply in the West before they ever even start multiplying in the biblical sense - by using and abusing immigration laws to bring more and more fellow Muslims into the country. A decade or so ago I remember reading a report that showed that a huge percentage of Turks in the Netherlands, perhaps an overwhelming majority, import their spouses from Turkey, using Western citizenship as a sort of asset to attract a spouse. Supposedly the Netherlands even enacted a law to slow that process down.

    My guess is some sort of relative visa (brother/sister) or (fake) asylum/refugee. Pak has been such a mess since 1960′s, it is probably easy to qualify as a refugee/asylee. West Pakis killed millions of East Pakis in 1971; so he could have genuinely claimed fear for his life.

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  90. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Drapetomaniac
    Oh great, the US is populated with government informers. Welcome to the new DDR.

    That happened "in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse" with abuse being a very subjective term and death threats de rigeur for current aspiring neocon candidates. Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now? Get serious.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That's the freakin' problem.

    Ugh. Show some solidarity with the West, you cuck. Who cares if some raging Paki gets his email flagged? Herp derp muh diversity is da greatest strenf.

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    Bullshit. Does anyone buy this woman's story? Locked her in a room for hours at a time and she didn't immediately take out a restraining order or stick a steak knife in his ribs? I'm left wondering just who was the crazy one in this relationship.

    Sorry, sweetie, no sympathy from this quarter.
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  91. @greysquirrell
    Even within Muslim immigrans, it's really just a few nationalities that cause all the problems. Usually Pakistanis , Arabs and North Africans. You don't hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

    There’s probably a quasi-government office in Saudi Arabia tasked with turning laidback Malays into maniacs.

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  92. @Steve Sailer
    I wonder if any of this chain migration has a cousin marriage angle?

    “I wonder if any of this chain migration has a cousin marriage angle?”

    I just think it would be interesting to look at the Farook family tree – Syed, his parents, his siblings’ spouses, etc. – and see how much of their family is here due to chain migration, marriage visas, etc. Make it a very public example of how retarded and fraudulent our entire immigration system is.

    The way I see it spousal visas should be for people who are marrying someone they’ve actually met and fallen in love with. If an Indian or Muslim wants an arranged marriage there are plenty of people already in the US they can be hooked up with. Perhaps if we don’t already have them we should have numerical limits by country for such visas.

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  93. […] Sailer published an interesting chart, courtesy of the L.A. Times, at The Unz Review […]

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  94. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "Unfortunately, the news about them being Muslims didn’t hit until after work, but I would have loved to see their faces."

    I was always pretty much 100% confident that it wasn't a right-winger and that, if it actually was more than one shooter, it was Islamic terrorists.

    There are three things which, seen together, pretty much guarantee it's Muslim terrorists:
    1) Multiple perps
    2) A more or less random target, rather than a political one (abortion clinic, black church, federal building, etc.)
    3) The use of bombs

    Bombs require some degree of training to make. Left or right wing political terrorists don't hate all Americans, just certain institutions. Right wing terrorists don't plot with other right-wing terrorists because conservatives are overwhelmingly against political violence, so there just aren't that many around. Most right-wing terrorists are loners. It isn't just the number of Islamic terrorist attacks that proves how extremist Islam is - it's the fact they feel so comfortable plotting with each other.

    I thought it was pretty dumb to think that it was a right-winger too. I just didn’t feel like telling them that.

    The only thing I could think of besides Muslims was maybe the parents of some kid who they thought was abused by the system. But, of course, my first guess was right.

    Their logic was basically that of course it was right-wingers, because who else would ever do something bad? I thought about suggesting that maybe the were Nazis, because they did exterminate disabled people, and maybe they were triggered by that show The Man In The High Castle, where they kill cripples on Tuesdays. They probably would have eaten it right up. I still think it’s a little funny that they never came up with that possibility themselves.

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  95. @The most deplorable one
    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?

    I’m as skeptical of most feminist bullshit as the next person reading iSteve, but this did really happen, and I can only hope that it won’t happen again to other naive girls.

    I was brought up in a secular conservative family, but I thought my dad was wrong about Muslims, because in college I met a lot of them and they seemed alright to me. In this particular case, my ex started out seeming like a normal guy and got more and more jealous and controlling as time went on, telling me what I couldn’t wear and who I couldn’t talk to, along with too many other unstable, weird things to list, like locking me in rooms for hours at a time. The more crazy he got the less I felt like I could leave, because he started making threats against my friends and family. When you’re in a situation like that, sometimes you just get used to it and hope that maybe if you just don’t mess up it will somehow get better, or at least not get worse. Trying to get out of it seemed like it would be worse than just staying in it. When he told me (twice) he’d kill me if I ever broke up with him I knew it would never get better. I moved back home because he was scared of my dad (who was a vocal gun owner), and I’m forever grateful that that was the case, because otherwise I might not have gotten away.

    I learned my lesson, and I’ve never dated a Muslim man since, nor would I ever tell any woman that it’s a good idea to do so. It’s a terrible idea, even when they’re not as crazy as my ex. I’ve dated a few other men in my life and never, ever had problems even approaching these. Muslim mores on women’s behavior are different than ours, even for a woman brought up in a conservative family like I was. Not even the most right-wing man would think it’s normal to tell their girlfriend that they’ll murder them and their family if they leave, but that’s what’s normal for Muslims. We should not be letting more of them into our country.

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    If you are not familiar with her writing already, you might be interested in Phyllis Chesler's memoir of her marriage to an Afghani Muslim in 1960. She learned the same lessons you have, albeit from her own Jewish compulsively radical perspective.

    Phyllis Chesler: How Afghan Captivity Shaped My Feminism

    "On December 21, 1961, when I returned from Afghanistan, I kissed the ground at New York City's Idlewild Airport. I weighed 90 pounds and had hepatitis. Although I would soon become active in the American civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and feminist movements, what I had learned in Kabul rendered me immune to the Third World romanticism that infected so many American radicals. As a young bride in Afghanistan, I was an eyewitness to just how badly women are treated in the Muslim world. I was mistreated, too, but I survived. My "Western" feminism was forged in that most beautiful and treacherous of countries."
     
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  96. The beltway snipers, one of them at least, confessed the Islamic/black supremacist motive for the killings in DC by his own writings in prison. Several counterjihad sites host pics of the writings.

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  97. @e
    They finally showed a pic on tv of the female killer. Strange: she looks like a man in drag.

    She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

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    She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

     

    I always thought Frank Zappa was rather ugly for an Italian, but later learned he had Arab ancestry via Sicily. He was rather presentable for an Arab.
    , @antipater_1
    She is a Pakistani woman, not Arab.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman...."

    She isn't arab. She's pakistani.
    , @Bill Jones
    And there was I thinking they lived in California because of the same sex marriage angle.
    , @Jefferson
    "She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman."

    If you include women who would be considered Black in the U.S but not be seen as Black in The Dominican Republic and South Africa for example, there are plenty of Black women who are way more attractive than Michelle Obama. Having a lot of Caucasian admixture makes Black women more attractive, just look at Rosario Dawson and Lolo Jones for example.

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  98. already been mentioned but not making it per capita is a blatant anti-white racist lie

    as is to be expected from the NYT

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  99. @newrouter
    i see the "frontlash" is in full narrative bloom in the msm:

    MEANWHILE: At The Washington Post: "After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash."

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/12/as-san-bernardino-attack-was-happening.html

    MEANWHILE: At The Washington Post: “After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash.”

    They’re trying to distract us from the obvious conclusion that it’s not the Moslems who deserve the backlash, but the nasties who let them in. And the nasties, such as WaPo, who cheered them on.

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  100. @greysquirrell
    Even within Muslim immigrans, it's really just a few nationalities that cause all the problems. Usually Pakistanis , Arabs and North Africans. You don't hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

    Malays, Kazakhs and Turkmen don’t emigrate much.

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  101. @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    I always thought Frank Zappa was rather ugly for an Italian, but later learned he had Arab ancestry via Sicily. He was rather presentable for an Arab.

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  102. @Jimi
    Syrian refugees reluctant to resettle in Canada immediately, Ottawa says

    http://fw.to/KRExfaj

    Only about 6.3 per cent of refugees contacted indicated they were interested in coming to Canada when the UN got in touch with them between Nov. 18 and 26. This was chiefly in Jordan but also in Lebanon.
    ...
    Immigration Minister John McCallum said Canada can still meet its targets despite reluctance among some. “There’s about four millions refugees that we can draw on. And so if a smaller percentage wants to come, we just contact more,” he told reporters in Surrey, B.C.

    Canada’s Immigration Minister John McCallum says Canada can still meet its “targets” to bring Syrians into Canada despite the refugees’ reluctance to move there.

    How stupid is that? The whole point of refugees is that they come to you! By definition there is no such thing as a deficit of refugees because the ideal number of refugees– people who seek temporary shelter while they wait for a deadly threat at home to subside– is zero! A proper immigration minister would be pleased that there are few refugees at his country’s doorstep, if only to conserve his aid budget for some time when it is more urgently needed!

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    If refugees aren't willing to move to Canada, then it's a pretty safe bet that they're not in any actual danger, and therefore not really refugees. Actual refugees would be happy to live in a slum in a third world country, as long as nobody was trying to kill them.

    Imagine the hit to the Canadian national psyche, though, to find out that even refugees don't want to move to their country.

    The Prime Minister is such an idiot. His logic seems to be that, since Canada has gigantic tracts of uninhabited land, there's plenty of space for them. Apparently he doesn't realize that, once they're in the country, they're not just going to STAY out in the woods by themselves. Although, if they did, that might even be worse, as they'd have entire cities to themselves, with basically zero chance of ever assimilating.
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  103. After the terrorist attack, I asked myself how long before the “some fear backlash” articles start coming. Google “San Bernardino Muslims some fear backlash” and you will see. The media never disappoints you… Notice also that for some reason journalists working for the narrative love to use the qualifier “some”.

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  104. I did scan some Wa Post column on the “backlash”. I simply cannot imagine how the media in this country has such a consistent pattern of lies and obfuscation. It is an impossible accomplishment.

    At this point I believe the incomprehensible amounts of money held by the Saudis, along with the Mexican drug cartels, have bought all MSM editors and every single politician outside of Jeff Sessions.

    There is simply no other explanation for what we are living through.

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    I did scan some Wa Post column on the “backlash”. I simply cannot imagine how the media in this country has such a consistent pattern of lies and obfuscation. It is an impossible accomplishment.
     
    Not quite, but it's something that requires a coordinated effort that only an especially cohesive group of like-minded people can accomplish.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "At this point I believe the incomprehensible amounts of money held by the Saudis, along with the Mexican drug cartels, have bought all MSM editors and every single politician............."

    A lot of different groups own the media (or buy media influence) and own (or rent) politicians. However you left out a rather significant one there.
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  105. @greysquirrell
    Even within Muslim immigrans, it's really just a few nationalities that cause all the problems. Usually Pakistanis , Arabs and North Africans. You don't hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

    You don’t hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

    If they do, it’s back home on their own turf, and we don’t hear about it. They have their own issues, which are not the Arabs’.

    It’s like my Somali neighbors. When their kids are “radicalized”, the don’t want to kill Americans, they want to kill Ethiopians and Kenyans– and apostate Somalis– because that’s what’s important to them. Each tribe has its own wars to fight.

    But Arabs, they’re at war with everybody.

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  106. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Veracitor
    Canada's Immigration Minister John McCallum says Canada can still meet its "targets" to bring Syrians into Canada despite the refugees' reluctance to move there.

    How stupid is that? The whole point of refugees is that they come to you! By definition there is no such thing as a deficit of refugees because the ideal number of refugees-- people who seek temporary shelter while they wait for a deadly threat at home to subside-- is zero! A proper immigration minister would be pleased that there are few refugees at his country's doorstep, if only to conserve his aid budget for some time when it is more urgently needed!

    If refugees aren’t willing to move to Canada, then it’s a pretty safe bet that they’re not in any actual danger, and therefore not really refugees. Actual refugees would be happy to live in a slum in a third world country, as long as nobody was trying to kill them.

    Imagine the hit to the Canadian national psyche, though, to find out that even refugees don’t want to move to their country.

    The Prime Minister is such an idiot. His logic seems to be that, since Canada has gigantic tracts of uninhabited land, there’s plenty of space for them. Apparently he doesn’t realize that, once they’re in the country, they’re not just going to STAY out in the woods by themselves. Although, if they did, that might even be worse, as they’d have entire cities to themselves, with basically zero chance of ever assimilating.

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  107. @Nationalist
    Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran's been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn't let them in to ours, but that "impressive chip" was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you'd be angry too.

    Each one of these points is faulty. The Palestinians could have had a deal, in 1999, with Clinton forcing the Israeli government to the table, and Arafat walked away and launched the intifada. The Palestinians don’t want peace. They want and need War with Israel, because otherwise there would be no money flowing in from the Gulf. The Palestinians could have had most though not all of the West Bank, Gaza, and shared sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem but that was not enough. So they chose war and got it, good and hard.

    As for the rest, they were both corrupt and incompetent societies that attracted intervention by being both weak and aggressive. The Netherlands, Ireland, and Luxembourg are weak but not aggressive, the most they do is arcane corporate tax breaks for big companies. Libya stirred up African adventurism, and terrorism against the US and Europe, eventually Khadafi found himself without friends and with an incompetent military. Ditto Iraq, and the lunatics who run Iran have at least a competent military but keep picking fights: with the Sunni Gulf, with the US periodically, with Turkey and the neo-Ottoman Erdogan.

    The US and the West is the least of the Islamic World’s worries. China is increasingly dependent on ME oil, which means they not us will be intervening to assure supply. The Chinese would happily slaughter most Muslims to get cheap oil and sleep soundly at night. They sold their own people poisoned baby milk after all.

    Muslim society has failed, time and time again, to grasp real power: put religion in a box, where it does not interfere with daily business and scientific life; liberate women to be literate and productive inside and outside the home; get rid of polygamy; get rid of sexual segregation; get rid of male violence and tribalism; get rid of clans and castes; create a nation-state of honest, ably administered government and promote private industry and technology. Japan has done this, to some extent China and South Korea. None are particularly Western.

    Muslim poverty and violence are not the result of say, America dropping two atomic bombs on them, but their own desire to be Muslim, that is polygamous, tribal, clannish, harshly patriarchal, with all the poverty, misery, and distrust that implies. Eventually some fully industrialized nation will simply annihilate them. Aggression plus weakness spells disaster in the end.

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  108. @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    Since Muslims don’t belong in the West I’d say report the abuser. Death threats are against the law (well for White men anyway, not sure that applies for Muslims). If the Muslim does not like it, he is free to go to Saudi Arabia or other wonderful places. Heck I’d say you could easily crowdfund a plane ticket for every Muslim in this country to go to Saudi Arabia and never come back.

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  109. @advancedatheist
    I have to wonder how the elite media will wind up spinning Tashfeen Malik's role in this terrorist act. She must put them in a real bind, because they want to defend unrestricted immigration at all costs; they present Islam as "a religion of peace," despite evidence to the contrary; and they have propagandized us with this nonsense about the benign wonders of "strong women" for decades.

    So here we have an immigrant Muslim woman who may have radicalized her American-born Muslim husband and turned him into a violent jihadist. And then she joined him on his shooting rampage knowing full well that they would both die and they never see their anchor baby grow up. When feminists and their enablers invented this "strong woman" fantasy, I don't think they had women like Tashfeen in mind.

    So here we have an immigrant Muslim woman who may have radicalized her American-born Muslim husband and turned him into a violent jihadist. And then she joined him on his shooting rampage knowing full well that they would both die and they never see their anchor baby grow up.

    Their salient identification was a “group” identification. Their status as part of the Muslim group trumped their status as parents with a six-month-old child.

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  110. @Julie
    I did scan some Wa Post column on the "backlash". I simply cannot imagine how the media in this country has such a consistent pattern of lies and obfuscation. It is an impossible accomplishment.

    At this point I believe the incomprehensible amounts of money held by the Saudis, along with the Mexican drug cartels, have bought all MSM editors and every single politician outside of Jeff Sessions.

    There is simply no other explanation for what we are living through.

    I did scan some Wa Post column on the “backlash”. I simply cannot imagine how the media in this country has such a consistent pattern of lies and obfuscation. It is an impossible accomplishment.

    Not quite, but it’s something that requires a coordinated effort that only an especially cohesive group of like-minded people can accomplish.

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  111. @anon
    Based on this and nothing else you want to put this guy on a government watch list and possibly destroy the life he has now?

    Yeah, pretty much. Better yet would be if he was deported, but we know that's not going to happen.

    Paranoia is one of the ways the rulers control the dupes and the dupes enable the mass murders called rulers. That’s the freakin’ problem.

    Paranoia is when you worry about someone killing you WITHOUT them actually threatening to do so.

    You think our rulers are "mass murderers? As much as I don't like our current government, even I don't think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?

    Get serious yourself.

    You think our rulers are “mass murderers? As much as I don’t like our current government, even I don’t think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?

    Give me a break. The invasion of Iraq was a project of mass murder. There’s no other way for an honest, intelligent, and perspicacious person to spin it.

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    Another way to spin it is as a "war", which is not generally considered to be the same thing as "mass murder". They were shooting back at us too, after all.

    But, I do see your point that he could have meant that. I just assumed he was talking about murder of American citizens, and I probably shouldn't have.

    It doesn't matter. It was still a stupid thing to say.
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  112. @greysquirrell
    Even within Muslim immigrans, it's really just a few nationalities that cause all the problems. Usually Pakistanis , Arabs and North Africans. You don't hear much about Malay Muslims , Kazakh , Turkmen or Iranians going on these slaughter rampages or running pedo grooming gangs.

    The Lindt cafe attack in Sydney was carried out by an Iranian refugee, although he converted from Shia islam to Sunni islam before the attack.

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  113. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    Yup.

    ‘Porn stars’ moaning about ‘being raped’.
    Fish moan about ‘being wet’.

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  114. Steve, you sound just like a modern day, American Enoch Powell.

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  115. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    You think our rulers are “mass murderers? As much as I don’t like our current government, even I don’t think that. What are you, a Black Lives Matter guy who stumbled in here by mistake?
     
    Give me a break. The invasion of Iraq was a project of mass murder. There's no other way for an honest, intelligent, and perspicacious person to spin it.

    Another way to spin it is as a “war”, which is not generally considered to be the same thing as “mass murder”. They were shooting back at us too, after all.

    But, I do see your point that he could have meant that. I just assumed he was talking about murder of American citizens, and I probably shouldn’t have.

    It doesn’t matter. It was still a stupid thing to say.

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  116. But stuff like Omar Thornton are, in effect, domestic disputes…

    In the same way as cholera is an internal disease. However, with suitable precautions, cholera doesn’t get a chance to become internal. Israel has domestic disputes with its black enrichers. But it does its best to keep its black enrichment to a minimum.

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  117. @Anonymous
    Steve, you sound just like a modern day, American Enoch Powell.

    I can’t think of a higher compliment for our gracious host.

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  118. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Very OT:

    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I have often wondered where this term came from, since I don’t remember hearing anything about it in school.

    Anyway, according to Wikipedia the term seems to have some rather strong Communist roots.

    Although the concept of American exceptionalism dates to the founding ideas, the term was first used in the 1920s.

    Some claim that the phrase “American exceptionalism” originated with the American Communist Party in an English translation of a condemnation made in 1929 by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin criticizing Communist supporters of Jay Lovestone for the heretical belief that America was independent of the Marxist laws of history “thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions”. This origin has been challenged, however, because the expression “American exceptionalism” was already used by Brouder & Zack in the Daily Worker (N.Y.) on the 29th of January 1929, before Lovestone’s visit to Moscow. In addition, Fred Shapiro, editor of The Yale Book of Quotations, has noted that “exceptionalism” was used to refer to the United States and its self-image during the Civil War by The Times on August 20, 1861.

    Early examples of the term’s usage do include a declaration made at the 1930 American Communist convention proclaiming that “the storm of the economic crisis in the United States blew down the house of cards of American exceptionalism”.

    After the 1930s, the phrase fell into obscurity for half a century, until it was popularized by American newspapers in the 1980s to describe America’s cultural and political uniqueness. The phrase became an issue of contention between presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, with Republicans attacking Obama for allegedly not believing in the concept.

    Also from Wikipedia:

    Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and other American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense.

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    Americans are Exceptional: More scared of everything anywhere than anybody any time.
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  119. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    One might think that “gang mass shootings/drive bys” have not been counted as “mass shootings”. Maybe leading to why black and hispanic numbers seem relatively low in this graph.

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  120. @Svigor

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran’s been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn’t let them in to ours, but that “impressive chip” was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you’d be angry too.
     
    I sympathize. But, for one thing, the fact that so many Islamic states turn into nuthouses the second someone overthrows the despots running them sort of runs counter to your point. For another, the Islamic State is chopping heads off of a lot more Muslims than off of kaffirs, same goes for the women they enslave, etc. That would seem to run counter, too.

    Inviting the World is bad for America. Invading the World is really bad for the World.

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  121. @The most deplorable one
    How is it that so many women cannot tell who the crazies are and then need other people to help them out of the mess they got into.

    A young female I know said that at college the guys say: Never stick it in the crazies.

    Are women that much less able to detect the crazy men?

    Women love crazy men and bad boys. They can’t help themselves. They also like it to stick it to their beta fathers .

    “See Daddy? I’ve despised your suave ways ever since I turned 11 years old. Now I only date rappers, bikers and drug dealers. Mom was right in divorcing your sorry ass though I’ve felt so neglected.”

    Women turn into sluts the moment men turn into pussies.

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  122. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    I’m wondering, who the hell is “other” on this graph?

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  123. @LL
    OT:

    I have a question for you and your readers. I know a young Muslim man (Pakistani immigrant, not a citizen) that I know to be violent and slightly unhinged. We dated in college a few years back and it ended very badly with death threats and abuse - I moved back to my parents' house to get away from him. I filed a police report on his behavior but nothing ever came of it. He apparently tried to kill himself and ended up in a mental institution for awhile, but eventually got out, and now he lives and works in a major US city (that I am far away from). He is without a doubt the kind of person I could see becoming radicalized. Should I call the police department of his city and alert them to his presence? Is there any channel through which I could alert Homeland Security? Am I over-reacting? I have no idea what he is up to now, so I don't know if he is still religious or crazy, but my gut feeling is that he's still the same guy.

    Why would you date a non-white in the first place? Don’t you want your children to look like you and your family?

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    "Why would you date a non-white in the first place? Don’t you want your children to look like you and your family?"

    I think this is probably absolutely true. I think people have a strong desire to have children who look like them. I suspect it can be very disconcerting to have a biological child or children whose appearance is/are very different from one's own.
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  124. NEWS FLASH!

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/12/05/obama-san-bernardino-shootings-act-of-terror/76817646/

    B. Hussein Obama announced that something must be done about people such as Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik “falling victim” to malicious ideologies. His point is that Muslims are not responsible for their terrorism. They are infected by sometimes fatal ideological viruses over which they have no control.

    “It is entirely possible that these two attackers were radicalized to commit this act of terror,” Obama said in his weekly radio address Saturday. “And if so, it would underscore a threat we’ve been focused on for years — the danger of people succumbing to violent extremist ideologies.” He added that the attacks show a need to “prevent people from falling victim to these hateful ideologies.”

    As the story developed, the Surgeon General confirmed that becoming a terrorist is similar to catching a cold. As a result, the Department of Homeland Security and the Justice Department have recommended that Americans wear protective masks to prevent the spread of terrorism. As a preventive measure, DHS was has ordered 300 million masks.

    However, as a more lasting measure, the Justice Department has suspended the First Amendment to protect public health. Henceforth, all written copies of the Koran will be confiscated and destroyed and all references to Islam will be censored from the Internet and social media. A Justice Department spokesperson said that they are confident that these measures will quickly get the ideological epidemic of Islamic extremism under control before more people succumb to the virus.

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  125. @Nationalist
    Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran's been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn't let them in to ours, but that "impressive chip" was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you'd be angry too.

    Well now, that is one way to look at it.

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  126. So in 13 years the dreaded Islamic terrorists have killed fewer people than the police do in two weeks.

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    world wide terrorist attacks claim a fairly large number of victims, so that would be false.
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  127. @Drake

    In contrast, inviting in the Muslim world’s violence is a policy decision, a policy decision that could have been avoided, and a policy decision that the ruling class very much doesn’t want to have openly debated.
     
    Liberal journalists have become fond of pointing out that ISIS doesn't want Syrian refugees to come to Europe or the US, so if we stop them from coming we are "helping ISIS."

    But why does ISIS want the refugees to stay in Syria? To recruit them as fighters. Because some of them are sympathetic to ISIS now(about 13% in polls), and even more can be radicalized later.

    But the same propensity to radicalization that make them attractive to ISIS make them bad for us. And if they are going to become fighters, it is better to have them in Syria than in Paris or San Bernardino.

    Liberals can't make a good argument that the refugees are good for us, so they obfuscate the issue by bringing up if it is "good for ISIS."

    Ultimately ISIS doesn't pose an existential threat to our survival. But immigration does.

    Islamists have an explicit policy of conquering Europe through immigration, last thing they want are tougher border controls too.

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  128. @Anonymous
    Very OT:

    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I have often wondered where this term came from, since I don't remember hearing anything about it in school.

    Anyway, according to Wikipedia the term seems to have some rather strong Communist roots.

    Although the concept of American exceptionalism dates to the founding ideas, the term was first used in the 1920s.

    Some claim that the phrase "American exceptionalism" originated with the American Communist Party in an English translation of a condemnation made in 1929 by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin criticizing Communist supporters of Jay Lovestone for the heretical belief that America was independent of the Marxist laws of history "thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions". This origin has been challenged, however, because the expression "American exceptionalism" was already used by Brouder & Zack in the Daily Worker (N.Y.) on the 29th of January 1929, before Lovestone's visit to Moscow. In addition, Fred Shapiro, editor of The Yale Book of Quotations, has noted that "exceptionalism" was used to refer to the United States and its self-image during the Civil War by The Times on August 20, 1861.

    Early examples of the term's usage do include a declaration made at the 1930 American Communist convention proclaiming that "the storm of the economic crisis in the United States blew down the house of cards of American exceptionalism".

    After the 1930s, the phrase fell into obscurity for half a century, until it was popularized by American newspapers in the 1980s to describe America's cultural and political uniqueness. The phrase became an issue of contention between presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, with Republicans attacking Obama for allegedly not believing in the concept.
     
    Also from Wikipedia:

    Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and other American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense.
     

    Americans are Exceptional: More scared of everything anywhere than anybody any time.

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  129. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    One concern I have is that the Census Data on “Arab” population are based on those with ancestry in countries where the predominant language is a form of Arabic. This will exclude persons whose ancestors are from Pakistan (Urdu) or any of the other Muslim or part-Muslim states bordering Russia, e.g., Chechnya, Georgia, Kazahkstan, Kyrghystan, etc., etc.. A lot of the mass shootings committed by Muslims are from these areas, e.g., the Tsarnaevs. I’m concerned that the “Arab” computation may be (Percent of all mass murders in the Mother Jones listing committed by those classified as Muslim or with vaguely sounding Muslim names)/(Census proportion of population classified as “Arab”) This would tend to over-inflate the “Arab” column in the graphic.

    I suspect the message of the graph is more or less correct and it’s a powerful rhetorical tool. But if my concerns about the computation are correct this graphic could be turned around by some “expert” on NPR or CNN or any other megaphone in the MSM’s progressive echo chamber to demonstrate that opponents of the current BO-fomented and BO-enabled invasion of the USA are innumerate hicks who don’t understand the subtleties of “scholarly” research. Just saying…..

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    Mother Jones' "mass shooting" database doesn't include any incidents with assailants of the -stans and Tsarnaev lands, coincidentally, so no problem there. I also see that the Census Bureau counted Moroccans as "Arab," so the table actually undercounts Arab attacks since Abdelkrim Belachheb (killer of 6) was counted as "other." The graph's creator should fix that. While Syed is in all likelihood of Arab descent (Syed/Sayyid denotes direct descendants of Mohammad), the wife seems to be of one of the standard Pakistani tribes.
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  130. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    I am neither surprised at the degeneracy of a porn star nor sympathetic to his fellow porn star alleged victims.

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    Exactly my feelings.
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  131. @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    She is a Pakistani woman, not Arab.

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    Only if you use the term "woman" loosely.
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  132. “The miasma of hate” by TARIQ KHOSA http://www.dawn.com/news/1224243/the-miasma-of-hate is an excellent analysis of how the Paki dictator of 1980′s, Gen. Zia Ul Haq, built the Jihad empire. This was financed by CIA to fight the USSR. But the Machiavellian Pakis figured there is profit in using the same infrastructure to destroy the West. Mrs. Jihadi’s family is from this empire.

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  133. @International Jew
    Muslims are just 1-2% of the US population, so per capita they're way overachieving. They are to terrorism what the Jews are to punditry and Supreme Courtisanism.

    Imagine what they could accomplish if they became 10%!

    We don’t have to imagine what will happen when Muslims reach 10% of the population, we just need to look at Europe and we know what will happen – except it will be worse. Unlike many of the commentators above who believe we are getting “better” Muslims than Europe, I do not believe this at all. We have merely gotten less Muslims. In fact, considering the death toll including 9/11, which was perpetrated by legal visitors who undoubtedly would have received green cards had they waited a bit, we have gotten far worse Muslims than Europe. Much worse. Islamic terror is not caused by poverty. In fact it seems to come from the middle and profession classes. Bin Laden was wealthy. The killers in San Bernadino were not poor at all – we are reminded in every article that “they were living the American Dream” (as if the dream is to murder your co-workers). Don’t look to our “exemplary” muslim population to produce Salk and Sabin, or even Bacharach and David. Islam is a horror show and we have brought it here.

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  134. Inviting the World is bad for America. Invading the World is really bad for the World.

    There we can agree.

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  135. @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    “She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman….”

    She isn’t arab. She’s pakistani.

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  136. “Of course, if this NYT graph had started with the nice round number of ’00 instead of ’02.”

    Indeed. A graph labeled “Deaths from Extremist Attacks since 9/10″ would look a lot different, wouldn’t it. That grey curve would be left in the noise.

    Along the lines of something you brought up, Steve, about people from around the Islamic world aping their (supposed) betters in Arabia: It is noteworthy that both the killers had spent a lot of time in Saudi Arabia. And although they were pakistani, they named their child using an arab naming convention (so I read). Islam really is a vehicle for arab cultural hegemony.

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  137. @24AheadDotCom
    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us

    1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they're told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers.

    2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can't make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren't capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w "thought" leaders can't make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders. To make things much worse, those "thought" leaders are enabled by a crew of fans rather than those fans demanding they do their jobs.

    “1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they’re told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers.”

    You contradict yourself. They don’t support it but they do. And why do they support it? Because they are told to do so? So they are weak-willed and pliant. They sound like “mouthbreathers” to me.

    “2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can’t make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren’t capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    You are wrong. Opponents of mass resettlement can, and do, make valid, persuasive arguments against it. Immigration of muslims is bad, not just because it leads to terrorist attacks like the recent one, but because it dilutes the traditional majority of this country and undermines our social and cultural cohesiveness.

    “For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w “thought” leaders can’t make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders.”

    Coulter makes lots of good arguments. If liberals are too blinkered or stupid to understand them that is hardly her fault. Agreeing with rightists on immigration would force liberals to cast-off a lot of their beliefs: the proposition nation, that there is no such thing as race, that people are blank slates, etc. They are loath to do this because a.) they haven’t been sufficiently hurt by the consequences of these views, and b.) their beliefs are a life-style choice for them – status markers to signal how much better they are than “those people”.

    You really shouldn’t speak so authoritatively, given how wrong you tend to be.

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  138. Someone needs to inform Immigration Minister McCallum that the proper way to recruit refugees is by bombing them first. When they have no place to live, then you invite them over. Once inside the country they will see what warm and wonderful people you are and be eternally grateful.

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  139. @Julie
    I did scan some Wa Post column on the "backlash". I simply cannot imagine how the media in this country has such a consistent pattern of lies and obfuscation. It is an impossible accomplishment.

    At this point I believe the incomprehensible amounts of money held by the Saudis, along with the Mexican drug cartels, have bought all MSM editors and every single politician outside of Jeff Sessions.

    There is simply no other explanation for what we are living through.

    “At this point I believe the incomprehensible amounts of money held by the Saudis, along with the Mexican drug cartels, have bought all MSM editors and every single politician………….”

    A lot of different groups own the media (or buy media influence) and own (or rent) politicians. However you left out a rather significant one there.

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  140. Well, Steve, the NYT is a small part of the 5th column assisting the Marxist media/government combine that purports to lead America. Comparing American mental patients out on hospital leave to Islamic jihadi’s is really a fools errand is it not? Islam is here to conquer America while the mental folk are just crazy with no real agenda. I would like to see the NYT make that comparison in Europe or Syria.

    Sad to say, the death toll in America from jihad will have to be near 1,000,000 before America decides that enough is enough.

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  141. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Anonymous
    "Sensational claim that Cristiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with kickboxer friend emerges after French TV panellist suggests their 'cuddling' could affect the star on the pitch"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346048/Outrageous-rumour-Cristiano-Ronaldo-gay-relationship-kickboxer-friend-emerges-French-TV-panellist-suggests-cuddling-affect-star-pitch.html

    "Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo is in a gay relationship with a Moroccan kickboxer, it has been sensationally claimed.

    The bizarre report surfaced after stories emerged in the Spanish press that he was making regular trips to Morocco to see Hari.

    The Portuguese footballer, known for dating a string of supermodel girlfriends, was said to regularly visit kickboxer friend Badr Hari for 'cuddles'. "

    One of the Paris attackers is still on the lam. He was said to be a gay rent boy.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/missing-paris-attacker-loved-gay-bars-and-playstation/

    They still haven’t found him. It’s as if he’s been forgotten. It’s amazing how we have become accustomed to these atrocities.

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  142. @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    And there was I thinking they lived in California because of the same sex marriage angle.

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  143. @Svigor
    As if we needed more indication that "our" establishment is thoroughly corrupt:

    Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute Those Who Use 'Anti-Muslim' Speech That 'Edges Toward Violence'


    The day after a horrific shooting spree by what appears to be a radicalized Muslim man and his partner in San Bernardino, California, Attorney General Loretta Lynch pledged to a Muslim advocacy and lobbying group that she would take aggressive action against anyone who used "anti-Muslim rhetoric" that "edges toward violence."

    Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocates' 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her "greatest fear" is the "incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric" in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech.
     

    Everybody got that? The problem isn't that Muslim terrorists are killing people wherever they are foolishly welcomed, but white folks talking about it. That's the real crime. Which is why Hussein & Lynch aren't talking about cracking down on Muslim terrorism, but instead about cracking down on Americans' dangerous right to free speech.

    This is the sort of thing the venal small-town sheriff does in the movies. Bruce Dern arresting the hooker for witnessing a gunfight and getting smacked around in Last Man Standing is a great example: "By the time the law showed up, I was long gone...but the sheriff didn't let me down. He investigated the whole thing...then arrested the hooker."

    Islam is going to decapitate Leftism in the public square. It's only a matter of time.

    Islamists will also decapitate plenty of right-wingers on the way. Even if you’re lucky enough not to be one of them, they might want to torture you as they did Muslim convert Theo Padnos, before you all go off to pray.

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  144. This is pretty OT, but this Twitter profile is the absolute best. This chick checks every single box: black, female, Latina, Muslim, fat, and queer. Hire her now! Your AA quotas will be satisfied for decades to come!

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  145. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @antipater_1
    She is a Pakistani woman, not Arab.

    Only if you use the term “woman” loosely.

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  146. Looks like the Mrs. was well connected to Paki ISIS Headquarters. Genuine terrorism rather than a lone wolf operation by radicalized Islamists.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346618/ISIS-loyalist-woman-San-Bernardino-massacre-linked-Pakistan-s-notorious-radical-cleric-mosque-known-center-fundamentalists.html

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  147. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, Muslims are only around one percent of the United States population, and the reason we don't have quite as much trouble with them as the Europeans do, according to the Fox News pundits, is that we assimilate them better.

    So the reason France has so much trouble with Muslims is not that they're ten percent of their population, but because they haven't done a good job assimilating them.

    I guess we'd have done a better job assimilating blacks too if they were only one percent of the population rather than 13 percent.

    The Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan a bit rough? Why, it’s all the fault of those Buddhists who did such a bad job assimilating the Muslims who came to live with them.

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  148. @LL
    I'm as skeptical of most feminist bullshit as the next person reading iSteve, but this did really happen, and I can only hope that it won't happen again to other naive girls.

    I was brought up in a secular conservative family, but I thought my dad was wrong about Muslims, because in college I met a lot of them and they seemed alright to me. In this particular case, my ex started out seeming like a normal guy and got more and more jealous and controlling as time went on, telling me what I couldn't wear and who I couldn't talk to, along with too many other unstable, weird things to list, like locking me in rooms for hours at a time. The more crazy he got the less I felt like I could leave, because he started making threats against my friends and family. When you're in a situation like that, sometimes you just get used to it and hope that maybe if you just don't mess up it will somehow get better, or at least not get worse. Trying to get out of it seemed like it would be worse than just staying in it. When he told me (twice) he'd kill me if I ever broke up with him I knew it would never get better. I moved back home because he was scared of my dad (who was a vocal gun owner), and I'm forever grateful that that was the case, because otherwise I might not have gotten away.

    I learned my lesson, and I've never dated a Muslim man since, nor would I ever tell any woman that it's a good idea to do so. It's a terrible idea, even when they're not as crazy as my ex. I've dated a few other men in my life and never, ever had problems even approaching these. Muslim mores on women's behavior are different than ours, even for a woman brought up in a conservative family like I was. Not even the most right-wing man would think it's normal to tell their girlfriend that they'll murder them and their family if they leave, but that's what's normal for Muslims. We should not be letting more of them into our country.

    If you are not familiar with her writing already, you might be interested in Phyllis Chesler’s memoir of her marriage to an Afghani Muslim in 1960. She learned the same lessons you have, albeit from her own Jewish compulsively radical perspective.

    Phyllis Chesler: How Afghan Captivity Shaped My Feminism

    “On December 21, 1961, when I returned from Afghanistan, I kissed the ground at New York City’s Idlewild Airport. I weighed 90 pounds and had hepatitis. Although I would soon become active in the American civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and feminist movements, what I had learned in Kabul rendered me immune to the Third World romanticism that infected so many American radicals. As a young bride in Afghanistan, I was an eyewitness to just how badly women are treated in the Muslim world. I was mistreated, too, but I survived. My “Western” feminism was forged in that most beautiful and treacherous of countries.”

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  149. @CJ
    If you are not familiar with her writing already, you might be interested in Phyllis Chesler's memoir of her marriage to an Afghani Muslim in 1960. She learned the same lessons you have, albeit from her own Jewish compulsively radical perspective.

    Phyllis Chesler: How Afghan Captivity Shaped My Feminism

    "On December 21, 1961, when I returned from Afghanistan, I kissed the ground at New York City's Idlewild Airport. I weighed 90 pounds and had hepatitis. Although I would soon become active in the American civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and feminist movements, what I had learned in Kabul rendered me immune to the Third World romanticism that infected so many American radicals. As a young bride in Afghanistan, I was an eyewitness to just how badly women are treated in the Muslim world. I was mistreated, too, but I survived. My "Western" feminism was forged in that most beautiful and treacherous of countries."
     
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  150. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/?p=471 For the purpose at hand, it all started in Israel. Back in the early 1980s General (ret.) Ariel Sharon was minister of defense under Prime Minister Menahem Begin. Assisted by a Hebrew University Professor whose field was Islamic studies, he came up with the bright idea of forming a religious-conservative opposition to Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The center of the movement was to be in Hebron, the principal city of the southern, and socio-economically less developed, part of the West Bank. In return for the right to rule over their people’s day-to-day affairs, the so-called “Rural Societies” were to oppose the PLO and tacitly accept Israeli rule. The outcome? Hamas, meaning Islamic Resistance Movement. [...] Let’s finally cease kidding ourselves. Arab countries, all of them without exception, are backward. Most are still tribal. That means that they are organized on lines other, more developed countries, have left behind centuries ago. Very few have what one would call a civil society consisting of a solid middle class. None has ever known the meaning either of democracy, or of the rule of law, or of human rights, or of freedom as Westerners understand it. During the middle ages they set up a brilliant civilization, or so historians say. Next, however, they missed the Renaissance. And the Reformation; and the Scientific Revolution; and the Enlightenment; and democracy in the form of the American and French Revolutions; and finally the Industrial Revolution as well. Not to mention the great and glorious Feminist Revolution, of course. Apart from that, they are the most progressive people in the world. Especially when yelling Allahu Akbar before sticking a knife into someone, or shooting him, or blowing themselves up.

    Such is the situation. That is why, when it comes to an Arab country, the choice is always between a dictator—either hereditary or other, either with a moustache or not—and anarchy. A dictator may mean war. But that is something which, as the Israeli-Arab wars and the two successful campaigns (1991 and the first few weeks of 2003) against Saddam Hussein have shown, can be handled if necessary. What the West, and indeed the world as a whole, cannot handle is anarchy and the terrorism it spouts indiscriminately in all directions.

    Will the idiots, and I don’t mean the Arabs of whom nothing can be expected, ever, ever learn?

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  151. @Jus' Sayin'...
    One concern I have is that the Census Data on "Arab" population are based on those with ancestry in countries where the predominant language is a form of Arabic. This will exclude persons whose ancestors are from Pakistan (Urdu) or any of the other Muslim or part-Muslim states bordering Russia, e.g., Chechnya, Georgia, Kazahkstan, Kyrghystan, etc., etc.. A lot of the mass shootings committed by Muslims are from these areas, e.g., the Tsarnaevs. I'm concerned that the "Arab" computation may be (Percent of all mass murders in the Mother Jones listing committed by those classified as Muslim or with vaguely sounding Muslim names)/(Census proportion of population classified as "Arab") This would tend to over-inflate the "Arab" column in the graphic.

    I suspect the message of the graph is more or less correct and it's a powerful rhetorical tool. But if my concerns about the computation are correct this graphic could be turned around by some "expert" on NPR or CNN or any other megaphone in the MSM's progressive echo chamber to demonstrate that opponents of the current BO-fomented and BO-enabled invasion of the USA are innumerate hicks who don't understand the subtleties of "scholarly" research. Just saying.....

    Mother Jones’ “mass shooting” database doesn’t include any incidents with assailants of the -stans and Tsarnaev lands, coincidentally, so no problem there. I also see that the Census Bureau counted Moroccans as “Arab,” so the table actually undercounts Arab attacks since Abdelkrim Belachheb (killer of 6) was counted as “other.” The graph’s creator should fix that. While Syed is in all likelihood of Arab descent (Syed/Sayyid denotes direct descendants of Mohammad), the wife seems to be of one of the standard Pakistani tribes.

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  152. @Bill Jones
    So in 13 years the dreaded Islamic terrorists have killed fewer people than the police do in two weeks.

    world wide terrorist attacks claim a fairly large number of victims, so that would be false.

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  153. @Dave Pinsen
    Let them have all the Muslims they want. Then maybe send ISIS money to keep them there. I bet it would be cheaper to pay them off than to pay off Turkey. And it would be cheaper than bombing them.

    “Then maybe send ISIS money to keep them there.”

    Well at least you’re being honest. I hope you watch every beheading video and theologically sanctioned raped of 8 year old girls in HD, during commerical breaks of the Super Bowl.

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  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    Steve, any thoughts on the James Deen scandal?

    Unlike the rest of us here who don’t watch porn, I do. I remember watching porn involving Deen and Shyla Stylez, and I remember seeing Deen being aggressive in a way I thought uncalled for, and Stylez responding in a resentful way as if it wasn’t planned and not something she signed up for. It seemed obvious that this was something that was his own nasty little sadistic streak coming through, not part of the script.

    I thought to myself, you are a nasty little twerp and I don’t want to watch anything else with you in it. Now this thing has come out about Deen in the media, it is not surprising to me at all. It is doubly validating that his supposed feminism and publicly announcing his Jewish background has not been an adequate shield for him.

    Porn stars may be basically a variant of hooker but it doesn’t mean they are devoid of rights or deserve to have nasty things done to them by scumbags.

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    >>> not part of the script

    Porn is a VERY VERY VERY small business. The actresses knew who they were paired with; and they never complained at the time; and they STILL haven't complained under penalty of perjury.
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  155. @AndrewR
    I am neither surprised at the degeneracy of a porn star nor sympathetic to his fellow porn star alleged victims.

    Exactly my feelings.

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  156. When news broke out that the shooters names were Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik which sounds extremely Middle Eastern, that pretty much murdered the Left Wing narrative that the San Bernardino terrorist attacks might have been committed by a NRA loving pro-guns Right Wing White Christian militia group who hate open borders, amnesty, abortion, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve.

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  157. 1250048

    Despite our propaganda, we don’t make that distinction, so it’s naive to expect them to either. If you don’t like Muslims murdering westerners, then 1- don’t let them into Western countries, and 2- don’t murder them in theirs.

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  158. @Hosswire
    I have had great fun pointing out to the peddlars of that graph that the U.S. Muslim population is about 6.7 million and the non-Muslim population is 315 million. Even only counting the evil white men it's still 95 million. So if the body counts are at all close, they are only making my case that Team Islam is a bigger threat.

    “I have had great fun pointing out to the peddlars of that graph that the U.S. Muslim population is about 6.7 million and the non-Muslim population is 315 million. Even only counting the evil white men it’s still 95 million. So if the body counts are at all close, they are only making my case that Team Islam is a bigger threat.”

    95 million White men in America. Can you imagine if there were 95 million Muslims in the U.S? We would be lucky to just go a whole week without there being an Islamic terrorist on U.S soil, so forget about going a whole year without one.

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  159. @Harry Baldwin
    She's reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.

    “She’s reasonably attractive for an Arab woman, in the same way that Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a black woman.”

    If you include women who would be considered Black in the U.S but not be seen as Black in The Dominican Republic and South Africa for example, there are plenty of Black women who are way more attractive than Michelle Obama. Having a lot of Caucasian admixture makes Black women more attractive, just look at Rosario Dawson and Lolo Jones for example.

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  160. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    >> what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean?

    It means the numbers are “normalized”. In the probability/statistics usage of that word.

    And here I was, thinking that the iStev-osphere could handle a simple algebra “word problem”.

    It’s ninth grade material – well, in the 1950′s it was.

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  161. @Anonymous
    Unlike the rest of us here who don't watch porn, I do. I remember watching porn involving Deen and Shyla Stylez, and I remember seeing Deen being aggressive in a way I thought uncalled for, and Stylez responding in a resentful way as if it wasn't planned and not something she signed up for. It seemed obvious that this was something that was his own nasty little sadistic streak coming through, not part of the script.

    I thought to myself, you are a nasty little twerp and I don't want to watch anything else with you in it. Now this thing has come out about Deen in the media, it is not surprising to me at all. It is doubly validating that his supposed feminism and publicly announcing his Jewish background has not been an adequate shield for him.

    Porn stars may be basically a variant of hooker but it doesn't mean they are devoid of rights or deserve to have nasty things done to them by scumbags.

    >>> not part of the script

    Porn is a VERY VERY VERY small business. The actresses knew who they were paired with; and they never complained at the time; and they STILL haven’t complained under penalty of perjury.

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  162. @24AheadDotCom
    Liberals can’t make a good argument that the refugees are good for us

    1. Not that many liberals consciously support mass resettlement. They do so because they're told to do so by their leaders and because they fear that opposing it would put them on the same side as mouthbreathers.

    2. Just as liberals (actually, their leaders) can't make a good argument, opponents of mass resettlement aren't capable of making valid, persuasive arguments against it and using those arguments to undercut the few who consciously support mass resettlement.

    For a tangible example, Coulter and other r/w "thought" leaders can't make arguments that will turn some liberals against their leaders. To make things much worse, those "thought" leaders are enabled by a crew of fans rather than those fans demanding they do their jobs.

    24Ahead, what argument would you make that would turn White liberals against their leaders on the Race Question? (The Immigration Question is ultimately the Race Question, alas.)

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  163. @BostonTea
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you confirm if this is real? This graph has stared circulating around the internet lately.

    http://imgur.com/hNz2gpI

    And if it is real, what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean? Percentages points? Rates per 100.000 people? I don't get it.

    what do the numbers on the vertical scale mean?

    One useful way to look at it: At these rates and given equal population numbers for all groups, Arabs are predicted to commit something like 15 mass shootings for every White-perpetrated mass shooting. (The dotted line seems to be over “1″ and Whites are below it). The key is understanding that this is implied to be given equal population numbers. Obviously, population numbers are not equal and there are something like fifty times as many European-Americans as Arab-Americans.

    Whites may commit the most in absolute numbers, but they are also the majority of the population… Blacks commit proportionally more than Whites but it seems far fewer than would be expected given their much-higher murder rate…

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  164. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the crimes of Thornton, Roof, etc., they're like somebody in your family getting murdered by somebody else in your family. A horrible thing, but it's inevitable it's going to happen now and then in somebody's family.

    In contrast, what are we up to now just from the absolutely tiny number of Chechens let in by the U.S. government either due to commission or omission: seven dead Americans because Uncle Ruslan used to be married to a CIA man's daughter?

    Was it ever determined whether the Washington Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, was really of Caribbean ancestry? (Recap: Navy Yard victims: 8 Whites, 3 Blacks, 1 Hindu-Indian, all killed before the Black shooter was himself killed. The killer was a civilian contractor with a security clearance, formerly in the Navy, and was a Buddhist. Reports suggest he was motivated by racial grievance.)

    Barbados was mentioned at the time. The Vdare writeup from 2013 says Alexis was born in a Barbadian neighborhood of Queens in 1979, in which case his parents or possibly grandparents will have immigrated.

    If Alexis is of Barbados ancestry and not “American slave ancestry”, does that twelve-killed incident qualify as “domestic” or “foreign”?

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  165. @WGG
    Ugh. Show some solidarity with the West, you cuck. Who cares if some raging Paki gets his email flagged? Herp derp muh diversity is da greatest strenf.

    Bullshit. Does anyone buy this woman’s story? Locked her in a room for hours at a time and she didn’t immediately take out a restraining order or stick a steak knife in his ribs? I’m left wondering just who was the crazy one in this relationship.

    Sorry, sweetie, no sympathy from this quarter.

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  166. @Nationalist
    Islamic nutjobs in America are relatively few in number, but evidently have an impressive chip on their shoulders.

    Right. Palestine- gone, Gaza- destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria- destroyed. Iran tries to control its own country- govt. overthrown. The traitor class is wiped away in 79, and Iran's been ostracized every since. Egypt/Suez/Nasser, the list goes on. Why on earth would Muslims have anything against the west? Yeah, their cultures suck and we shouldn't let them in to ours, but that "impressive chip" was placed there by us, or rather by the people who control foreign policy in the West. If that happened to you, you'd be angry too.

    The impressive chip was placed there by the Koran and the Hadith and Shariah. Syrian Muslims do not slaughter Syrian Shia because they are mad about the Iranian revolution in the 1950s. Iraq and Iran did not kill one million of each other because they were mad at Israel. If they would do this to each other – fellow Muslims – all the more so they would do it to us when they get their chance. And they do. I for one do not give a flying f about their endless complaints, offence, terror, misery, Koran and their special pleading. Just don’t let them in here and they can kill each other as much as they like, and blame it on the Jews as much as they like, and have Westeners agree with them as much as you like – aslong as they don’t come here.

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  167. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    Why would you date a non-white in the first place? Don't you want your children to look like you and your family?

    “Why would you date a non-white in the first place? Don’t you want your children to look like you and your family?”

    I think this is probably absolutely true. I think people have a strong desire to have children who look like them. I suspect it can be very disconcerting to have a biological child or children whose appearance is/are very different from one’s own.

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  168. @reiner Tor
    Exactly my feelings.

    Mine, too. It’s difficult for me to think that the world of pornography is a anything other than a cesspool. I do, however, feel a sense of concern and sadness for those who are a part of it.

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  169. Islamists will also decapitate plenty of right-wingers on the way. Even if you’re lucky enough not to be one of them, they might want to torture you as they did Muslim convert Theo Padnos, before you all go off to pray.

    They will decapitate Leftism, but not Rightism. Rightists will be much more comfortable under Islam than Leftists will. And they won’t have been the ones who let Islam take over, either.

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  170. High religiosity
    Kinship-based society
    Norms enforced by majority
    Patriarchal rule
    Low tolerance for feminism
    Low tolerance for homosexuality
    Zero tolerance for trans/etc.
    Zero tolerance for crime
    Jews placed firmly in ghettos, kept out of power
    Ditto for other minorities
    High fences make for good neighbors
    No booze

    Perhaps most importantly, serious regard for a Holy Book Writ in Stone; no more leftist moving goalposts.

    I’m sure I’m leaving lots of stuff out.

    Does that sound worse for leftists, or for rightists?

    Maybe leftists should make a deal with the right while they still can.

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  171. @AnAnon
    world wide terrorist attacks claim a fairly large number of victims, so that would be false.

    Do you know how many people police in Mexico, say Kill. Of course you don’t.

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  172. @Bill Jones
    Do you know how many people police in Mexico, say Kill. Of course you don't.

    they don’t murder 9k people a week.

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  173. @WGG
    RE: ritual murders in Mass. Break it down for us, Haven Monahan style.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Waltham_triple_murder

    I think Steve gets too caught up in the strangeness of the killings when he uses the word “ritual”.

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  174. […] any degree, from a group that has put Europe’s existential crisis in stark relief and that is at least 100 times as likely to commit fatal acts of terrorism in the US as non-Muslims are is–well, was!–off the […]

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  175. @Svigor
    Let's play juxtapose the headlines:

    For Woman in Shooting, Easy Passage Through U.S. Visa Process

    ISIS loyalist woman in San Bernardino massacre is linked to Pakistan's most notorious radical cleric and mosque known as center for fundamentalists

    Obama Not Worried About Taking Syrian Refugees

    Yeah, we know Hussein's not worried. He's got Secret Service protection for life.

    The woman who was linked to Pakistan's most notorious Muslim extremists breezed through US immigration and then helped murder 14 Americans; Hussein says we're giving a similarly rigorous screening to the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Islamic State sympathizers he's decided to allow into our country against popular opinion and without our permission. Oh, and his Attorney General is now declaring that she won't tolerate any harsh language toward the Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?

    By the way, how many muslims are there in the Secret Service?

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