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From The Tablet:

HOW RUSSIAGATE BECAME ISRAELGATE

It’s not about Vladimir Putin anymore

By Lee Smith
June 8, 2018 • 10:00 AM

I don’t actually pay attention to Spy vs. Spy stuff, so don’t ask me if this article makes any sense.

But it has always been obvious that with Washington DC as the de facto Imperial Capital of the World, all sorts of different governments will attempt to win influence there. The ones that would seem to do best at this game include Israel and Saudi Arabia. Indeed, they do so well that it’s hard for Beltway-Americans to notice their influence, it just seems so right and fitting.

(It used to be that we could console ourselves that while our Saudi allies were Iron Age wasteland warlords, at least they were elderly and not every energetic Iron Age wasteland warlords. But now the Saudis are ruled by a vigorous young fellow, so who knows what mischief they will get up to.)

 
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  1. Well, if any article were going to make Mueller a hero with iSteve readers, it would be that one.

    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Robert Mueller a hero with informed people? What, is he going to admit that the reason he threw the September Eleventh Warrencommission is because he (recall, then at FBI) was the much-crititicized bureaucrat bottlenecking investigations and insisting on non-cooperation, which has since come out and been read into Congressional testimony? Remember how the official story was that we could have stopped it but the agencies wouldn't talk to each other?
    Besides, if you got every Mossadnik and sayan out of DC, you'd still need to get every American collaborator, and then who would run the freaking country?
  2. Lee Smith basically says at the end of his article, when you keep expanding The Narrative to explain all the revisions to the story pumped out by the lapdog, ankle-biting media, in order to further the “Trump colluded with Russians” speculation, you end up with a conspiracy that includes everyone.

    The question I keep asking is: Where are the Russians? They seem to be rather thin on the ground.

  3. Something is f*cked up with comments.

    I commented–it didn’t appear.
    I repeated the comment–it said I already posted.
    Nothing.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    No worries, Forbes, your early comment did appear as #2 after a lapse of a half hour or so. It’s a minor bug of the unz.com system. And your comment is perceptive. It would be fun to compile the dozens of breathless US TV network news stories I’ve seen over the past year-plus beginning with, “Since everybody knows that Trump colluded with The Russians to throw the 2016 elections...” Actual proof of actual collusion is the dog that keeps not barking (at least so far), but in the MSM’s defense look a squirrel
  4. There was never any reason to use the word “Russians.” That was a cynical calculation by the people conspiring to interfere in and over-rule the election, who were consistently American (with a few British people); they figured boomers are still wired to react Pavlovishly to the word.
    RUSSIANS!
    Israelis? Sure, maybe, but they’re all over American politics, and do whatever they please. It’s like these idiots who are for open borders but want marijuana to be illegal or regulated. If you found many Israelis you would still not have established an equivalent to the hoped-for thing Mueller is supposedly questing after, which is not “Russians” but Putin. There’s Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand, and “Israelis” do not mean “the Israeli government.”
    What happened was, the American and some British people in power had a nice thing going, they did not want to leave, they did not want their criminal activity exposed, so they set up traps (OCONUS Lures, ie, Halper) — which proved ineffective, and Boris and Natasha stories — which all the blasting the Mighty Wurlitzer can offer cannot make credible. It was Americans.
    Unless, of course, y’know, that one guy really is Kenyan …

    • Replies: @J. Dart

    There’s Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand
     
    We do not have sensible citizenship rules period.

    Everyone knows about the anchor baby crap, so I'll discuss some more obscure points. Since 1795, black letter law has required that naturalized citizens swear an oath renouncing all allegiance to other sovereigns, but Earl Warren's Supreme Court made sure (e.g. Afroyim v. Rusk, 1967) that absolutely no penalty attaches to voting in a foreign election or even serving in a foreign military after you naturalize. An attempt in 2005 to pass a law criminalizing that behavior didn't even make it out of committee.

    We have another Supreme Court precedent that when an "American" - more precisely, a de facto former American - swears an oath of allegiance to another country, he's lying (Vance v. Terrazas, 1980. Terrazas was an anchor baby and Vietnam War draft dodger who went down to Mexico and deliberately created legal uncertainty about his US citizenship until he passed draft age, at which point he headed for court to protect his "rights"). To add insult to injury, Hillary Clinton invented a $450 State Department fee for honest people who want to overturn the Terrazas presumption that they're lying, and then John Kerry raised it to $2350.

    Meanwhile even so-called "cucked" European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten and if they want to get naturalized, they have to go to their old country's consulate and actually renounce citizenship. They can't just swear a false oath out of one side of their mouth the way America lets them do.

    Sorry for the wall-of-text reply to a tangential point of yours. This stuff really pisses me off.
  5. @Chrisnonymous
    Well, if any article were going to make Mueller a hero with iSteve readers, it would be that one.

    Robert Mueller a hero with informed people? What, is he going to admit that the reason he threw the September Eleventh Warrencommission is because he (recall, then at FBI) was the much-crititicized bureaucrat bottlenecking investigations and insisting on non-cooperation, which has since come out and been read into Congressional testimony? Remember how the official story was that we could have stopped it but the agencies wouldn’t talk to each other?
    Besides, if you got every Mossadnik and sayan out of DC, you’d still need to get every American collaborator, and then who would run the freaking country?

  6. This will serve as a very good example of who ultimately has the most power, I predict that this will be the end of Mueller and definitely not Netanyahu and AIPAC.

  7. Tablet isn’t written to influence iSteve. . iSteve has cast his fate with RonUnz, whose most recent explosive issue was…. what did Hitler know and/or say in 1937?

    The _Tablet_ story was written because the ADL crowd is panicking about the 2018 popularity of Trump….. amongst American Jews

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    I think we need to be very careful and thoughtful about the possibility of Israeli deep-state activity against Trump and Netanyahu, personally.

    Let's remember, the same forces that are aligned against Trump were also working to defeat Likud and put in Isaac Herzog as the Israeli prime minister. (I still want to know whether Harvey Weinstein gave anything to the New Israel Fund or other similar NGOs - remember, Ehud Barak (former Labor PM) is the guy who got him the ex-Mossad agents to spy on his victims - what was the payback? Both are Friends of Bill).

    Netanyahu recently had some corruption issues emerge - are those real, or is this the Israeli version of Russiagate?

    I think we need to realize that we probably have both friends and enemies in most first-world governments.
    , @Lot
    "The _Tablet_ story was written because the ADL crowd is panicking about the 2018 popularity of Trump….. amongst American Jews"

    Worldwide, no ethnic group likes Trump more than Jews.

    US Jews are the big outlier in sticking with the left. In Israel, France, Canada, UK, and Australia Jews are all on the right. The only large Jewish population I cannot find good info on is Argentina, though its Jewish politicians have some amusing Germano-Judeo-Hispano-Slavic names.

    Beatriz Rojkés de Alperovich
    Carlos Salomón Heller
    César Jaroslavsky
    Axel Kicillof
    Jose Ber Gelberd
  8. @Karl
    Tablet isn't written to influence iSteve. . iSteve has cast his fate with RonUnz, whose most recent explosive issue was.... what did Hitler know and/or say in 1937?

    The _Tablet_ story was written because the ADL crowd is panicking about the 2018 popularity of Trump..... amongst American Jews

    I think we need to be very careful and thoughtful about the possibility of Israeli deep-state activity against Trump and Netanyahu, personally.

    Let’s remember, the same forces that are aligned against Trump were also working to defeat Likud and put in Isaac Herzog as the Israeli prime minister. (I still want to know whether Harvey Weinstein gave anything to the New Israel Fund or other similar NGOs – remember, Ehud Barak (former Labor PM) is the guy who got him the ex-Mossad agents to spy on his victims – what was the payback? Both are Friends of Bill).

    Netanyahu recently had some corruption issues emerge – are those real, or is this the Israeli version of Russiagate?

    I think we need to realize that we probably have both friends and enemies in most first-world governments.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Well, considering the number of Israelis who figure if they return the Palestinians enough of Israel, they'll stop being murderous psychos, your idea makes sense.
    , @J.Ross
    This is the correct perspective.
    , @Lot
    Why not both? Trump and Bibi are both corrupt, and also have shadowy deep staters conspiring against them.

    To take another example, everything about Michael Cohen indicates he's corrupt (is there a good reason for a lawyer to have 13 burner phones?), but the charge against him for mortgage fraud is absurd and only being persued for leverage against Trump.
  9. @Glaivester
    I think we need to be very careful and thoughtful about the possibility of Israeli deep-state activity against Trump and Netanyahu, personally.

    Let's remember, the same forces that are aligned against Trump were also working to defeat Likud and put in Isaac Herzog as the Israeli prime minister. (I still want to know whether Harvey Weinstein gave anything to the New Israel Fund or other similar NGOs - remember, Ehud Barak (former Labor PM) is the guy who got him the ex-Mossad agents to spy on his victims - what was the payback? Both are Friends of Bill).

    Netanyahu recently had some corruption issues emerge - are those real, or is this the Israeli version of Russiagate?

    I think we need to realize that we probably have both friends and enemies in most first-world governments.

    Well, considering the number of Israelis who figure if they return the Palestinians enough of Israel, they’ll stop being murderous psychos, your idea makes sense.

  10. @J.Ross
    There was never any reason to use the word "Russians." That was a cynical calculation by the people conspiring to interfere in and over-rule the election, who were consistently American (with a few British people); they figured boomers are still wired to react Pavlovishly to the word.
    RUSSIANS!
    Israelis? Sure, maybe, but they're all over American politics, and do whatever they please. It's like these idiots who are for open borders but want marijuana to be illegal or regulated. If you found many Israelis you would still not have established an equivalent to the hoped-for thing Mueller is supposedly questing after, which is not "Russians" but Putin. There's Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand, and "Israelis" do not mean "the Israeli government."
    What happened was, the American and some British people in power had a nice thing going, they did not want to leave, they did not want their criminal activity exposed, so they set up traps (OCONUS Lures, ie, Halper) -- which proved ineffective, and Boris and Natasha stories -- which all the blasting the Mighty Wurlitzer can offer cannot make credible. It was Americans.
    Unless, of course, y'know, that one guy really is Kenyan ...

    There’s Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand

    We do not have sensible citizenship rules period.

    Everyone knows about the anchor baby crap, so I’ll discuss some more obscure points. Since 1795, black letter law has required that naturalized citizens swear an oath renouncing all allegiance to other sovereigns, but Earl Warren’s Supreme Court made sure (e.g. Afroyim v. Rusk, 1967) that absolutely no penalty attaches to voting in a foreign election or even serving in a foreign military after you naturalize. An attempt in 2005 to pass a law criminalizing that behavior didn’t even make it out of committee.

    We have another Supreme Court precedent that when an “American” – more precisely, a de facto former American – swears an oath of allegiance to another country, he’s lying (Vance v. Terrazas, 1980. Terrazas was an anchor baby and Vietnam War draft dodger who went down to Mexico and deliberately created legal uncertainty about his US citizenship until he passed draft age, at which point he headed for court to protect his “rights”). To add insult to injury, Hillary Clinton invented a $450 State Department fee for honest people who want to overturn the Terrazas presumption that they’re lying, and then John Kerry raised it to $2350.

    Meanwhile even so-called “cucked” European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten and if they want to get naturalized, they have to go to their old country’s consulate and actually renounce citizenship. They can’t just swear a false oath out of one side of their mouth the way America lets them do.

    Sorry for the wall-of-text reply to a tangential point of yours. This stuff really pisses me off.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Wasn't Afroyim even elected to a foreign parliament?
    , @Yngvar

    Meanwhile even so-called “cucked” European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten
     
    Not true for Norway anymore. There was a problem; Pakistan considers every Pakistani anywhere to be a Pakistani citizen, so when the Norwegian police revoked indicted Pakistani-Norwegians passport, to prevent them from fleeing, the criminals just went to the Pakistani embassy, got a new passport and left. This new law on citizenship can fix this problem by way of keeping them out of the country for good.
  11. It’s a strange article. The author, Lee Smith, is one of those who knows the details on Spygate and he would appreciate the significance of the Downer meeting.
    The question remains: What was the Australian High Commissioner doing there, meeting with Papadopoulos? And within the story – as if apropos of nothing – appears one Christian Cantor of the Israeli embassy who had some vague role in brokering this odd exchange of Humint within the Kensington Wine Bar.
    My overall take is that the walls are breaking on Spygate. Look for the NYT and WP to ‘break’ the bombshell story soon. Their official narrative will involve enough distraction and smoke to cover the retreat.

  12. @J. Dart

    There’s Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand
     
    We do not have sensible citizenship rules period.

    Everyone knows about the anchor baby crap, so I'll discuss some more obscure points. Since 1795, black letter law has required that naturalized citizens swear an oath renouncing all allegiance to other sovereigns, but Earl Warren's Supreme Court made sure (e.g. Afroyim v. Rusk, 1967) that absolutely no penalty attaches to voting in a foreign election or even serving in a foreign military after you naturalize. An attempt in 2005 to pass a law criminalizing that behavior didn't even make it out of committee.

    We have another Supreme Court precedent that when an "American" - more precisely, a de facto former American - swears an oath of allegiance to another country, he's lying (Vance v. Terrazas, 1980. Terrazas was an anchor baby and Vietnam War draft dodger who went down to Mexico and deliberately created legal uncertainty about his US citizenship until he passed draft age, at which point he headed for court to protect his "rights"). To add insult to injury, Hillary Clinton invented a $450 State Department fee for honest people who want to overturn the Terrazas presumption that they're lying, and then John Kerry raised it to $2350.

    Meanwhile even so-called "cucked" European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten and if they want to get naturalized, they have to go to their old country's consulate and actually renounce citizenship. They can't just swear a false oath out of one side of their mouth the way America lets them do.

    Sorry for the wall-of-text reply to a tangential point of yours. This stuff really pisses me off.

    Wasn’t Afroyim even elected to a foreign parliament?

    • Replies: @J. Dart
    IIRC, Afroyim only voted, and didn't run for office himself. But his case and later Terrazas' case paved the way for others to get elected to foreign parliaments without losing US citizenship, e.g. Moshe Arens and Meir Kahane in Israel in the 70s and 80s, or Diane Lee in Taiwan in the 90s.

    And now we're in $CURRENT_YEAR where the President of Somalia has US citizenship while sitting in office, which is utterly unprecedented in US legal history (the Baltic guys in the 90s like Toomas Ilves and Valdas Adamkus at least did the right thing and renounced US citizenship before running for foreign office) but the media barely makes a peep. Ain't it great how fast these things move "forward"? Just five years ago, even Obama's State Department was uncomfortable with the idea of a US citizen being president of a foreign country:

    7 FAM 1285 WHAT IS A POLICY-LEVEL POSITION WITH A FOREIGN STATE? (CT:CON-449; 03-25-2013)

    Holding a head-of-state, head-of-government, or foreign-minister position may be incompatible with maintaining U.S. citizenship, although the issue has not been expressly decided by the Department. Under international law, as applied in the United States, a foreign head of state, head of government, or a foreign minister (who is not a local national) enjoys absolute immunity from the criminal, civil and administrative jurisdiction of U.S. law, a status that some believe to be inconsistent with continued allegiance to the United States. However others have expressed a contrary view.
     
  13. @Steve Sailer
    Wasn't Afroyim even elected to a foreign parliament?

    IIRC, Afroyim only voted, and didn’t run for office himself. But his case and later Terrazas’ case paved the way for others to get elected to foreign parliaments without losing US citizenship, e.g. Moshe Arens and Meir Kahane in Israel in the 70s and 80s, or Diane Lee in Taiwan in the 90s.

    And now we’re in $CURRENT_YEAR where the President of Somalia has US citizenship while sitting in office, which is utterly unprecedented in US legal history (the Baltic guys in the 90s like Toomas Ilves and Valdas Adamkus at least did the right thing and renounced US citizenship before running for foreign office) but the media barely makes a peep. Ain’t it great how fast these things move “forward”? Just five years ago, even Obama’s State Department was uncomfortable with the idea of a US citizen being president of a foreign country:

    7 FAM 1285 WHAT IS A POLICY-LEVEL POSITION WITH A FOREIGN STATE? (CT:CON-449; 03-25-2013)

    Holding a head-of-state, head-of-government, or foreign-minister position may be incompatible with maintaining U.S. citizenship, although the issue has not been expressly decided by the Department. Under international law, as applied in the United States, a foreign head of state, head of government, or a foreign minister (who is not a local national) enjoys absolute immunity from the criminal, civil and administrative jurisdiction of U.S. law, a status that some believe to be inconsistent with continued allegiance to the United States. However others have expressed a contrary view.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Obama nominated the former head of the governmental Bank of Israel to be Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.
  14. @J. Dart
    IIRC, Afroyim only voted, and didn't run for office himself. But his case and later Terrazas' case paved the way for others to get elected to foreign parliaments without losing US citizenship, e.g. Moshe Arens and Meir Kahane in Israel in the 70s and 80s, or Diane Lee in Taiwan in the 90s.

    And now we're in $CURRENT_YEAR where the President of Somalia has US citizenship while sitting in office, which is utterly unprecedented in US legal history (the Baltic guys in the 90s like Toomas Ilves and Valdas Adamkus at least did the right thing and renounced US citizenship before running for foreign office) but the media barely makes a peep. Ain't it great how fast these things move "forward"? Just five years ago, even Obama's State Department was uncomfortable with the idea of a US citizen being president of a foreign country:

    7 FAM 1285 WHAT IS A POLICY-LEVEL POSITION WITH A FOREIGN STATE? (CT:CON-449; 03-25-2013)

    Holding a head-of-state, head-of-government, or foreign-minister position may be incompatible with maintaining U.S. citizenship, although the issue has not been expressly decided by the Department. Under international law, as applied in the United States, a foreign head of state, head of government, or a foreign minister (who is not a local national) enjoys absolute immunity from the criminal, civil and administrative jurisdiction of U.S. law, a status that some believe to be inconsistent with continued allegiance to the United States. However others have expressed a contrary view.
     

    Obama nominated the former head of the governmental Bank of Israel to be Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Gordo
    • Replies: @Lot
    Has he been doing a good job?
  15. @Glaivester
    I think we need to be very careful and thoughtful about the possibility of Israeli deep-state activity against Trump and Netanyahu, personally.

    Let's remember, the same forces that are aligned against Trump were also working to defeat Likud and put in Isaac Herzog as the Israeli prime minister. (I still want to know whether Harvey Weinstein gave anything to the New Israel Fund or other similar NGOs - remember, Ehud Barak (former Labor PM) is the guy who got him the ex-Mossad agents to spy on his victims - what was the payback? Both are Friends of Bill).

    Netanyahu recently had some corruption issues emerge - are those real, or is this the Israeli version of Russiagate?

    I think we need to realize that we probably have both friends and enemies in most first-world governments.

    This is the correct perspective.

  16. Lot says:
    @Glaivester
    I think we need to be very careful and thoughtful about the possibility of Israeli deep-state activity against Trump and Netanyahu, personally.

    Let's remember, the same forces that are aligned against Trump were also working to defeat Likud and put in Isaac Herzog as the Israeli prime minister. (I still want to know whether Harvey Weinstein gave anything to the New Israel Fund or other similar NGOs - remember, Ehud Barak (former Labor PM) is the guy who got him the ex-Mossad agents to spy on his victims - what was the payback? Both are Friends of Bill).

    Netanyahu recently had some corruption issues emerge - are those real, or is this the Israeli version of Russiagate?

    I think we need to realize that we probably have both friends and enemies in most first-world governments.

    Why not both? Trump and Bibi are both corrupt, and also have shadowy deep staters conspiring against them.

    To take another example, everything about Michael Cohen indicates he’s corrupt (is there a good reason for a lawyer to have 13 burner phones?), but the charge against him for mortgage fraud is absurd and only being persued for leverage against Trump.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Cohen does seem have links to the Brighton Beach mafia, of course these are described as Russian mafia even though they are mostly Jewish and from the Ukraine.
  17. @Steve Sailer
    Obama nominated the former head of the governmental Bank of Israel to be Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

    Has he been doing a good job?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Has he been doing a good job?
     
    A good job for whom?
    , @Forbes
    Stanley Fischer, former Treasury official, and no longer Deputy--no longer on the FRB. Considered a expert on international finance.
    , @bjondo
    In Israel, served Israel.
    In America, served Jewry/Israel.
  18. Lot says:
    @Karl
    Tablet isn't written to influence iSteve. . iSteve has cast his fate with RonUnz, whose most recent explosive issue was.... what did Hitler know and/or say in 1937?

    The _Tablet_ story was written because the ADL crowd is panicking about the 2018 popularity of Trump..... amongst American Jews

    “The _Tablet_ story was written because the ADL crowd is panicking about the 2018 popularity of Trump….. amongst American Jews”

    Worldwide, no ethnic group likes Trump more than Jews.

    US Jews are the big outlier in sticking with the left. In Israel, France, Canada, UK, and Australia Jews are all on the right. The only large Jewish population I cannot find good info on is Argentina, though its Jewish politicians have some amusing Germano-Judeo-Hispano-Slavic names.

    Beatriz Rojkés de Alperovich
    Carlos Salomón Heller
    César Jaroslavsky
    Axel Kicillof
    Jose Ber Gelberd

  19. @Lot
    Why not both? Trump and Bibi are both corrupt, and also have shadowy deep staters conspiring against them.

    To take another example, everything about Michael Cohen indicates he's corrupt (is there a good reason for a lawyer to have 13 burner phones?), but the charge against him for mortgage fraud is absurd and only being persued for leverage against Trump.

    Cohen does seem have links to the Brighton Beach mafia, of course these are described as Russian mafia even though they are mostly Jewish and from the Ukraine.

  20. @Forbes
    Something is f*cked up with comments.

    I commented--it didn't appear.
    I repeated the comment--it said I already posted.
    Nothing.

    No worries, Forbes, your early comment did appear as #2 after a lapse of a half hour or so. It’s a minor bug of the unz.com system. And your comment is perceptive. It would be fun to compile the dozens of breathless US TV network news stories I’ve seen over the past year-plus beginning with, “Since everybody knows that Trump colluded with The Russians to throw the 2016 elections…” Actual proof of actual collusion is the dog that keeps not barking (at least so far), but in the MSM’s defense look a squirrel

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Thanks. I did see the comment eventually post. It was both humorous and frustrating to not see the comment posted and be told that I was double posting. The web version of the dog ate my homework...
  21. The FBI is, understandably, afraid its ‘sources and methods’ will be revealed if it turns over its records in regards to the surveillance of the Trump campaign. The problem is its ‘sources and methods’ are dribbling out anyway and they are the same old bag of tricks they have used for decades. Using agent provocateurs to create grounds to ‘investigate’ they move rapidly to wiretaps and then onto perjury traps.

    So used to this modus operandi they fail to see a real crime when it is staring them in the face as in the Orlando ‘Pulse’ nightclub and Parkland High School mass murders. Now we have a FBI agent doing backflips in a bar and shooting a patron when his FBI issued handgun falls to the floor! Let’s face it, the FBI is not fit for purpose. They have become a PC riddled laughingstock full of sycophants and bootlickers and this has been the case for sometime. Remember how the FBI sent over their files on top Republicans ( Filegate) to curry favor with the Clinton White House simply because some nobody named Craig Livingstone requested them!

    The sad thing is after the treatment people like George Papadopoulos and General Flynn have received any thinking American is going to refuse to be interviewed by FBI agents less they be indicted for lying even though they were not under investigation for any crime at the time. Yet, because the FBI is only in the business of manufacturing criminal offenses speaking to their agents puts one in grave legal peril. Better to risk being killed by a wannabe Klansmen or some doofus ersatz ISIS terrorist that mispeak to an FBI agent!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The sad thing is after the treatment people like George Papadopoulos and General Flynn have received any thinking American is going to refuse to be interviewed by FBI agents less they be indicted for lying even though they were not under investigation for any crime at the time.
     
    Right. As any criminal lawyer will tell you, when you are being interviewed by police officers at any level, the only thing you should say is "I want a lawyer".

    2) Flynn is gonna walk. The judge in his case is not fond of prosecutorial shenanigans.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    I bought my 10-year-old an FBI T-shirt while changing planes in Washington Arlington. Now nobody wants to play with him.
  22. Jake says:

    First, Occam’s Razor.

    Second, nothing the Israelis/Jews especially, but also the Saudis do is hidden even a bit./ They are very open in what they do, as if they know that they have special status in this culture.

    Ideas have consequences. The ‘idea’ of Anglo–Saxon Judaizing heresy had the consequence of a culture molded to be pro-Semitic. By the 19th century, the then nearly all agnostic UK WASP Elites had widened the culture’s philo-Semitism to include Arabs and Mohammedanism. By the late 19th century, UK WASPElites often could be seen as jockeying their favored Semites (Jew or Arabic Mohammedan) the way that American WASP Elites used to play Army vs. Navy. It was bitter competition, but good natured because it was all about being inside the Loop. WASP Insiders having fun sporting with their pet versions of Semites.

    Of course, Semites aren’t keen on being pet playthings for the delight of WASP Elites. They, both Jews and Arab Mohammedans, have played the game long enough to get the WASP Empire to provide them, slowly, with all they need to emerge as senior partners in the WASP Empire.

    Jews clearly have been at that height for at least a couple of decades. I’d say since the Six Day War in 1967.

    It is no mistake, no fluke, no accident that British secret service directly parented the CIA, the Mossad, and the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency. The four are, and have been as long as they all have existed, been peas in a pod: the pod birthed by the Judaizing heresy that was Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

  23. @J. Dart

    There’s Israelis all over American politics because we do not have the sensible citizenship rules for office holders that have created recent healthy trouble in Australia and New Zealand
     
    We do not have sensible citizenship rules period.

    Everyone knows about the anchor baby crap, so I'll discuss some more obscure points. Since 1795, black letter law has required that naturalized citizens swear an oath renouncing all allegiance to other sovereigns, but Earl Warren's Supreme Court made sure (e.g. Afroyim v. Rusk, 1967) that absolutely no penalty attaches to voting in a foreign election or even serving in a foreign military after you naturalize. An attempt in 2005 to pass a law criminalizing that behavior didn't even make it out of committee.

    We have another Supreme Court precedent that when an "American" - more precisely, a de facto former American - swears an oath of allegiance to another country, he's lying (Vance v. Terrazas, 1980. Terrazas was an anchor baby and Vietnam War draft dodger who went down to Mexico and deliberately created legal uncertainty about his US citizenship until he passed draft age, at which point he headed for court to protect his "rights"). To add insult to injury, Hillary Clinton invented a $450 State Department fee for honest people who want to overturn the Terrazas presumption that they're lying, and then John Kerry raised it to $2350.

    Meanwhile even so-called "cucked" European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten and if they want to get naturalized, they have to go to their old country's consulate and actually renounce citizenship. They can't just swear a false oath out of one side of their mouth the way America lets them do.

    Sorry for the wall-of-text reply to a tangential point of yours. This stuff really pisses me off.

    Meanwhile even so-called “cucked” European countries like Norway and Spain still at least have the balls to tell immigrants that dual citizenship is verboten

    Not true for Norway anymore. There was a problem; Pakistan considers every Pakistani anywhere to be a Pakistani citizen, so when the Norwegian police revoked indicted Pakistani-Norwegians passport, to prevent them from fleeing, the criminals just went to the Pakistani embassy, got a new passport and left. This new law on citizenship can fix this problem by way of keeping them out of the country for good.

  24. @Lot
    Has he been doing a good job?

    Has he been doing a good job?

    A good job for whom?

  25. @ic1000
    No worries, Forbes, your early comment did appear as #2 after a lapse of a half hour or so. It’s a minor bug of the unz.com system. And your comment is perceptive. It would be fun to compile the dozens of breathless US TV network news stories I’ve seen over the past year-plus beginning with, “Since everybody knows that Trump colluded with The Russians to throw the 2016 elections...” Actual proof of actual collusion is the dog that keeps not barking (at least so far), but in the MSM’s defense look a squirrel

    Thanks. I did see the comment eventually post. It was both humorous and frustrating to not see the comment posted and be told that I was double posting. The web version of the dog ate my homework…

  26. @Lot
    Has he been doing a good job?

    Stanley Fischer, former Treasury official, and no longer Deputy–no longer on the FRB. Considered a expert on international finance.

  27. Sean says:

    The more fool them if they think finding out the backstory of Trump could help them defeat him now. The foreign policy establishment are desperate for a stick to beat Trump on Palestinians’ fate, because they are becoming alarmed that he may get Israel to contemplate things hitherto undreamt of.

  28. It’s hilarious how the swamp can’t work it out. “Where’s the dishonesty?” “Or the cheating or the lying or general disingenuousness?” They shriek.

    The point is that there isn’t any. It’s all in the open and done in good faith. Like most people do most things most of the time.

    The swamp’s depravity means that they can’t comprehend it. They are unmoored from normal good conscience self-aware behaviour. Just as their rotten characters are on full display in the projected phantoms they claim are out there.

    It’s an horrific and large-scale version of that sort of funny moment when someone says something like “hasn’t everyone had an STI.”

    The swamp lost big which shook their self-image but not as much as the fact that they lost while pulling out all of the stops to cheat.

    It’d be like playing poker with a bunch of aces up your sleeve and still being wiped out. How can you not assume that your opponent did worse?

    The alternative is to self-admit that, while loudly broadcasting your virtue, you and your social circle had actually entirely lost your minds since the early 90s and had almost ruined everything. That you were the bad guys and have been long bad. That type of self-realisation does not come easily.

    Like in the Crazy Ex Girlfriend episode where she realises that she’s not the Princess of her own story but the villainous witch.

    It’s easy to tell if you as an individual are in this position. If you’ve never questioned yourself on this, then that’s almost certainly because you are. And there’s no hope in hell that Hillary, the media ‘progressives’, the academics or the full panopoly of late Western solipsists have done so.

    I have no doubt that Netanyahu and Putin both preferred Trump to win. There’s clear mutual admiration. But it’s not the self-regarding type, whereby you like that persom because somehow they have come to represent a reflection of you, making their success your self-esteem. It’s earned rather than projected.

    When I asked some Hillary supporting women I know why they liked her, each simply listed what they perceived to be their own idiosyncratic best qualities. I very much doubt that this triumvir would respond in the same way…except with a wink after.

    It isn’t even a sex thing. Blokes I knew did the same with Obama. Except they’d hype it a little bit more and sometimes cringe-inducingly add in “cool” if they were white.

  29. @unit472
    The FBI is, understandably, afraid its 'sources and methods' will be revealed if it turns over its records in regards to the surveillance of the Trump campaign. The problem is its 'sources and methods' are dribbling out anyway and they are the same old bag of tricks they have used for decades. Using agent provocateurs to create grounds to 'investigate' they move rapidly to wiretaps and then onto perjury traps.

    So used to this modus operandi they fail to see a real crime when it is staring them in the face as in the Orlando 'Pulse' nightclub and Parkland High School mass murders. Now we have a FBI agent doing backflips in a bar and shooting a patron when his FBI issued handgun falls to the floor! Let's face it, the FBI is not fit for purpose. They have become a PC riddled laughingstock full of sycophants and bootlickers and this has been the case for sometime. Remember how the FBI sent over their files on top Republicans ( Filegate) to curry favor with the Clinton White House simply because some nobody named Craig Livingstone requested them!

    The sad thing is after the treatment people like George Papadopoulos and General Flynn have received any thinking American is going to refuse to be interviewed by FBI agents less they be indicted for lying even though they were not under investigation for any crime at the time. Yet, because the FBI is only in the business of manufacturing criminal offenses speaking to their agents puts one in grave legal peril. Better to risk being killed by a wannabe Klansmen or some doofus ersatz ISIS terrorist that mispeak to an FBI agent!

    The sad thing is after the treatment people like George Papadopoulos and General Flynn have received any thinking American is going to refuse to be interviewed by FBI agents less they be indicted for lying even though they were not under investigation for any crime at the time.

    Right. As any criminal lawyer will tell you, when you are being interviewed by police officers at any level, the only thing you should say is “I want a lawyer”.

    2) Flynn is gonna walk. The judge in his case is not fond of prosecutorial shenanigans.

  30. The late Bernard Lewis once said that the Saudis could best be understood by imagining the Ku Klux Klan with control of the Texas oil reserves. I think they’re much more sophisticated than that. It’s a Semitic trait.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    Late at being late, B. Lewis can best be understood as an Israeli propagandist dressed up as a scholar
  31. @unit472
    The FBI is, understandably, afraid its 'sources and methods' will be revealed if it turns over its records in regards to the surveillance of the Trump campaign. The problem is its 'sources and methods' are dribbling out anyway and they are the same old bag of tricks they have used for decades. Using agent provocateurs to create grounds to 'investigate' they move rapidly to wiretaps and then onto perjury traps.

    So used to this modus operandi they fail to see a real crime when it is staring them in the face as in the Orlando 'Pulse' nightclub and Parkland High School mass murders. Now we have a FBI agent doing backflips in a bar and shooting a patron when his FBI issued handgun falls to the floor! Let's face it, the FBI is not fit for purpose. They have become a PC riddled laughingstock full of sycophants and bootlickers and this has been the case for sometime. Remember how the FBI sent over their files on top Republicans ( Filegate) to curry favor with the Clinton White House simply because some nobody named Craig Livingstone requested them!

    The sad thing is after the treatment people like George Papadopoulos and General Flynn have received any thinking American is going to refuse to be interviewed by FBI agents less they be indicted for lying even though they were not under investigation for any crime at the time. Yet, because the FBI is only in the business of manufacturing criminal offenses speaking to their agents puts one in grave legal peril. Better to risk being killed by a wannabe Klansmen or some doofus ersatz ISIS terrorist that mispeak to an FBI agent!

    I bought my 10-year-old an FBI T-shirt while changing planes in Washington Arlington. Now nobody wants to play with him.

  32. @Reg Cæsar
    The late Bernard Lewis once said that the Saudis could best be understood by imagining the Ku Klux Klan with control of the Texas oil reserves. I think they're much more sophisticated than that. It's a Semitic trait.

    Late at being late, B. Lewis can best be understood as an Israeli propagandist dressed up as a scholar

  33. @Lot
    Has he been doing a good job?

    In Israel, served Israel.
    In America, served Jewry/Israel.

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