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This is apparently a huge story. From the New York Times:

Ta-Nehisi Coates Deletes Twitter Account Amid Feud With Cornel West
By JENNIFER SCHUESSLER DEC. 19, 2017

Twitter feuds claimed another high-profile casualty on Tuesday when the writer Ta-Nehisi Coates deleted his account after sparring with the Harvard professor Cornel West.

It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

Mr. West’s tweet also drew plenty of agreement, including from supporters on the political left. But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.” …

Late on Monday, Mr. Coates, who had more than 1.25 million Twitter followers as of earlier this month, tweeted, “Peace, y’all. I’m out. I didn’t get in it for this.” And at some point after that, he deleted his account.

Taylor Swift’s silence on the Coates-West feud remains deafening.

A reader writes:

It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Coates what was going on with Cornel West’s piece in the Guardian criticizing him

West is a showman, a BS artist, and West calling out Coates what, in the world of wrestling, is a “work.” It’s just a game: West gets his name in the papers and clings to Coates a bit by saying he’s not man enough (“a neo-liberal”) and Coates is supposed to answer this feud by listing his credentials and pretending to be mad back.

What you’re not supposed to do is what Coates did: get your feelings hurt and quit Twitter.

Coates is a con-man, West is a con-man. You need each other.

This kind of showbiz/wrestling dynamic is something Trump instinctively gets, calling his opponents names and slandering them and then asking them to work the phones for his campaign.

It’s because Trump gets showbiz and the “work.” Hence Trump being in rap songs and in pro-wrestling. He gets fights: both fake and real.

Coates doesn’t understand the fake nature of modern punditry. So when West says he’s soft, instead of fighting back and playing the game with Coates, he just quits.

As you’ve pointed out, the real bullies in Coates’ life, as a kid and now as a pundit, have been other black men. But he projects all that frustration into white men and supremacy et al.

 
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  1. West hasn’t taught at Harvard for years–he’s basically retired and has an emeritus gig at Princeton

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    As I've said here before but some may have forgotten....I lean Democrat. I supported Obama in both elections and Bernie in the last one.

    I like "Brother Cornel" and agree 150% on this.

    The main thing that REALLY disillusioned me with Obama was his foot dragging on ending the wars, bringing the troops home and neutering the neocons and the Deep State.

    That and having been raised a Baptist I was never a big social issue guy or big promoter of gay marriage.

    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it's an unimportant wedge issue.

    All Obama and Hillary's ppl did was say whites bad gays/minorities good.

    No talk on how Romneycare and Obamacare were/are the same thing. No talk on the wars, unions, corporatism, Deep State nonsense, even hiking taxes or a new Keynesian new deal.

    Just sex and race....sex sex sex sex sex.

    Gays this trans that.

    Ok I said, fuck it. At least Trump talks like a populist. Hillary does nothing. I stayed home....

    Maybe it'll take eight years of Trump to get the message and debate off identity politics..m.
    , @Anon
    He's in the HLS course catalog for this spring. Apparently he's co-teaching a couple of seminars, which is probably not much work.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe "Harvard professor" is one of those titles you can hold onto after you leave, like they still address Rudi Giuliani as "Mayor."
    , @Olorin
    My dear Meretricious, are you not aware that once you've taught even as a teaching assistant at Harvard, you get to dine out on it for the rest of your life?

    Plus for most people, any type of contract teaching in Higher EdBiz = "professor." This is especially common in mainstream-right-wing-media propaganda about people like Eric Clanton. Additionally, shabby/fifth-tier Ed Biz outposts hire people with grad degrees as "adjunct professors." They come cheap, and the title helps them spackle over the embarrassments in their CVs...while sustaining the illusion of degrees = jobs that might bring in new tuition-payers who have no vocational aptitudes outside the Ed Biz.

    The Ivy League was turned into a brand around the time Reagan's voodoo economists were pushing the Happy Bankster Global Casino and Speculation Investment Club (now with 50,000% bigger gift shop) model on everything in creation.

    So we can expect wingnuts and dicksmacks of all ilk to try to enhance their own individual brand with such referents.

    Having said all that, my recollection is that West had a religion and African studies professorship created for him at Princeton in the '90s. He lasted about five years then went to Harvard for some position created for him to similarly black up the Hahvahd brand. But he got into a tiff with Larry Summers, son of two Jewish Penn profs. So left. I should probably check my facts on that, but to hell with it, he's not worth the bother.

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  2. Thomas says:

    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

    Bitch slap! Did Brother Cornell just call T. Genius a lawn jockey?

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    • Replies: @SMK
    "White supremacy," "white privilege," "institutional racism," "systemic racism," "endemic racism," ad nauseum. This explains why these buffoons, mountebanks, and pseudo-intellectuals are rich and famous and powerful. In a sane country, this would be no more news-worthy than a silly quarrel between two paranoid schizophrenics in an insane asylum.
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  3. Veracitor says:

    A wise strategic withdrawal by Teh Genius, I say. Good on ‘im.

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  4. I disagree with Cornel West on just about everything. But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

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    • Replies: @Berty
    I've always found West to be interesting to listen to. His manner of speech, the way he forms his sentences, and just his overall charisma really appeals to the ears. Plus it's refreshing to see a black man who hasn't been bought off by (((progressives))).

    TNC is just a boring dullard who says the same shit every time he talks.
    , @Anon
    But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    Compared a total moron like Coates, even the loathsome West seems rather sane.

    I will say he is more consistent with his ideology.

    But one thing he has in common with Coates is preening self-regard.
    , @Mikeja
    The story about West at the start of Michael Dyson's hit piece made me lol.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost
    , @Percy Gryce
    I met West almost 20 years ago at the infamous hip hop summit:

    http://hiphopandpolitics.com/2013/11/06/hip-hop-history-remembering-historic-2001-hip-hop-summit-farrakhans-incredible-speech/

    He does seem a decent sort--even if his rhetorical style is maddeningly elliptical.
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  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Some pay-per-view in-fighting:

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    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942930171841122310
    , @Anon7
    Ida Bae Wells, if that really is her name, is the whitest black woman I've ever seen. If you look really closely at her twitter pic, she actually has to label herself with a necklace that says "blackgurlmagic".
    , @Corn
    Problematic. Another word the Left’s volunteer commissars will ruin.
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  6. Thomas says:

    Somewhat OT: bit of an amusing dust-up today between the various Fredocons (Charles C. W. Cooke, David French, even Jonah Goldberg) at NR, and ((Fellow Conservatives))) Jennifer Rubin and David Frum (who leapt to Rubin’s defense) over the latters’ perpetual, deranged garment-rending over Trump, which comes across as over-the-top and irrational to the former. It’s amusing to see so many words expended by people who can’t say (or who aren’t self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454701/jennifer-rubin-trump-obsession-mindless-opponent

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/conservatism-is-what-conservatives-think-say-and-do/548738/

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454779/david-frum-proves-my-point

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    • Replies: @Anon
    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/943161324464467968

    How do you do fellow conservatives?
    , @Allen
    Cooke's response to Frum comes dangerously close to addressing subjects that can't be discussed. The following quote reads really differently after hanging around these parts:

    "Everyone knows what “team” Jenifer Rubin is on, just as they know what “team” David Frum is on. We all know, in advance, what Rubin will write, as we know in advance what Frum will write. She — and he — now have in-built networks, and, judging by the number of Frum’s Twitter followers, they are thriving in them."
    , @Steve from Detroit
    "It’s amusing to see so many words expended by people who can’t say (or who aren’t self-aware enough to say) what they really mean."

    That is a simple, truthful and profound statement. It is a statement that I think applies to so much of the noise we hear from the media, and yet it also serves as an explanation as to why most people don't understand what they're being fed. The average person has no idea how the information they receive has been manipulated, mangled and distorted, and it how it adversely affects their ability to think clearly.
    , @Anon
    It appears the two sides are differing on this: Is it good for the Jews to appease the Muslims, or is it better to actively oppose them? So the Churchill and Neville Chamberlain wings of the Jews are fighting it out.

    One interesting thing the Chamberlain wing doesn't seem to understand is that the new alignment between Netanyahu and Mohammad bin Salman may upset everything for them. Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu couldn't care less about the Muslims, and MBS appears to view religious Muslims as part of his opposition. MBS seems to think they're standing in the way of his making money and modernizing Saudi Arabia, and I doubt he has a religious bone in his body. Every time some Muslim extremist sets off a bomb, they injure a potential marketplace. MBS won't stand for this happening in his projected 'Dubai on the Red Sea' when it gets built. I predict the start of a purge against extremists in SA before long. Every modernization means the religious fanatics will be gunning for MBS, and they will make themselves his enemies even if they weren't in the first place.
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  7. a reader says:

    By the way, mentioning white on Twitter quickly attracts SJWs who apparently are similarly deranged on either side of the pond.

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  8. To quote Isaiah Berlin “There is a line among the fragments of the Greek poet Archilochus which says: ‘The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing’.”

    As I understand it, Brother Cornel is criticizing Brother Ta for being a hedgehog and not a fox. Brother Cornel is, of course, signaling that he himself is a fox, a superior form of intellectual.

    Or maybe he’s just jealous of the younger man, who didn’t pay his dues unlike West, who worked his way up the academic ladder.

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    Bro' Coates didn't need to pay his dues. After all, officially designated MacArthur Fellowship geniuses genuflect to nobody. "We pays no dooz" as Ta might say out of earshot and away from the mike.
    , @Anon
    Berlin is another con man who got endless mileage out of an essay with an empty, hollow one liner, many people insist in calling profound. Even Berlin himself Admitted surprise at the sucess of that little verbal sleight of hand.
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  9. Well, I have to give Cornel West credit for at least not being snookered by the hagiography surrounding Obama. Clearly West is of the Chris Hedges “I’m so far to the left that no Democratic politician will escape my wrath” school. But then West’s list of Coates’ sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama’s public image, and I think the best part of West’s critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.

    West is himself open to the critique of being something of a sellout–quite happy to take on professorships and whatnot. I suppose West’s reply would be that he, unlike TNC, continues to complain about Wall Street and wars and links Obama with this neoliberal state of affairs. He is probably right that Obama is the first black head of the neoliberal state rather than a true black radical in the mold of West’s hero Malcolm X. Despite all the “Obama is a Marxist!” stuff I’ve read over the years, I do think there is quite a bit of truth in this charge. The problem is that when it came to culture-war stuff, Obama was doubly committed, perhaps as compensation. (I think Hillary would have used this same strategy had she won.)

    Anyway, back to Coates. I suspect the white liberal New Yorker-types will mostly circle around TNC as opposed to West. Most of them like the whole gauzy Obama “Lightworker” shtick that Coates buys into. It’s a weird dynamic here because Coates has indeed become very pessimistic, so much so that there is little room for hope in his view (something West takes him to task for), but at the same time West’s vision is in its way even more “in your face” and I suspect unpalatable for lots of white liberals. You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Christmas cheer lulz at...Your last paragraph with Obama as The Lightworker! Mark Morford, yoga instructor and SF Chron columnist came up with this. MM is gay too iirc.

    Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say ...
    www.sfgate.com/.../article/Is-Obama-an-enlightened-being...2544395.php
    Is Obama an enlightened being? ... but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, ... Mark Morford's latest book is 'The Daring Spectacle: ...
    , @The Man From K Street

    But then West’s list of Coates’ sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama’s public image, and I think the best part of West’s critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.
     
    I have always had a sneaking suspicion that Israel/Palestine will turn out to be the thermal exhaust port of the TNC potemkin Death Star. Most insiders have intimated that the whole Coates phenomenon is very largely an artificial construct by two men: Jeffrey Goldberg and Yochai Benkler. Kind of like how JFK the author, and even the novice politician, was pretty much invented out of whole cloth by his father Joe. Take their sponsorship/stage management away, and the Genius facade collapses like drywall after a flood. At some point, a figure like West is eventually going to bait TNC into saying/writing/tweeting something that offends Goldberg and Benkler, and that something will almost certainly be about a certain Middle Eastern country that, as far as I know, TNC has never even been to. And then they will turn on him.
    , @Desiderius

    You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.
     
    Not really.

    You just have to recognize that it's other whites, not themselves, that they love to hate. Then it's no holds barred.
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  10. Cornel West’s guardian piece was honestly hard to read. The article was mostly just a mix of buzzwords like “Empire”, “Neoliberalism”; his shtick is much better spoken than written. You can say many things about the man, but you at least have to give him credit for being a great performer. I’m not exactly sure what you call the outfit he wears, but he looks good in it. Also, my mom said she saw him driving a purple cadillac convertible around Harvard square in the 90s.

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    West's schtick is to maintain the crazy eyes and wild Afro. He also knows that white liberals piss themselves whenever he calls them "brother" (e.g. "brother rabbi Lerner"). Ta-Nehisi's brand of get whitey leaves israel out of it. Not sure if Coates understands this or is just ignorant of the invisible strings that pull his pen.
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  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Bye Felicia!

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  12. Or perhaps Cornel West is reliving his own past, more than a decade ago, when Larry Summers, then President of Harvard University, called into question the worth of Cornel West’s own work. Cornel West was then what Ta-Nehisi Coates is now—America’s Premier Black Intellectual™.

    To quote the Economist magazine from that time

    According to the Boston Globe, last October Mr Summers rebuked Cornel West, who holds one of Harvard’s coveted university professorships. Mr West’s alleged sins included recording a rap CD, leading a political committee for Al Sharpton’s possible presidential campaign, writing books more likely to be reviewed in The New York Times than in academic journals and allowing grade inflation.

    Since then the incident has spiralled into a full-blown academic tempest. The insulted Mr West is considering a rival offer from Princeton, his former employer. Henry Louis Gates, the department head, and Kwame Anthony Appiah, a philosopher, are thinking of going with him. Mr West has also announced that he intends to take a leave of absence.

    It will get worse. Jesse Jackson, that well-known crusader for academic standards, has arranged a meeting with Mr Summers. “The tension at Harvard is having an impact across the country,” says Mr Jackson, whose last venture into politics was to try to broker a deal with the Taliban. Mr Sharpton also wants to meet Mr Summers. He is considering filing a lawsuit against Harvard as “an aggrieved party”.

    If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.

    His rap album (sample lyric: “No other people in the modern world have had such unprecedented levels of unregulated violence against them”) indicates that the medium is best left to the likes of Snoop Doggy Dogg rather than Harvard professors. His website is shot through with embarrassing boasts and grammatical errors. The section devoted to the rap album begins by stating that “In all modesty, this project constitutes a watershed moment in musical history” (what on earth would the immodest version be?). It describes Mr West as “one of the most preeminent minds of our time” and refers to somebody called “Nietzche”.

    http://www.economist.com/node/923104

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    • Replies: @Benjaminl
    Even leftist website The Awl has to struggle pretty hard to find nice things to say about that Cornel West project, in between Herculean efforts of virtue signaling:

    https://www.theawl.com/2012/05/the-cornel-west-album-that-larry-summers-kept-calling-a-rap-cd/
    , @Olorin

    Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.
     
    My recollection at the time is that Cornel wasn't hired to be a professor/academic, he was hired to be a professional Black Faculty Guy.

    Racial performance art.

    First at Princeton then at Harvard--in the religion faculty of each, iirc. In the '80s and '90s the Ivy League had to black up their brands to keep in step both with the maturing of the "civil" "rights" scheme of the 1960s and with the ascendant 1980s globalist culture that was looking to the Third World for its future massive profit schemes.
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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Some pay-per-view in-fighting:

    https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/942488047727333377

    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942919685015732224

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Children, children everywhere. The woker/blacker the more childish.

    Twitter brings it out. The name of that toxic product is well chosen.
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    We've passed the event horizon of moral outrage, it cannot return to sanity, only implode on itself.
    , @Perplexed
    Intersectionality: good or bad? Debate.
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  14. But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.” …

    Has Spencer expressly disavowed White supremacism?

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    The real question is: Has Taylor Swift expressly disavowed Richard Spencer?
    , @Thrasymachus
    I'm a white supremacist and I agree with West that Coates is a crying little neoliberal beeeyotch.

    Coates banned me from commenting at the Atlantic four or five times. No other writer there was troubled by me.
    , @Alfa158
    Yes he has. He is a White nationalist. White Nationalists have no interest in bringing back slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, apartheid, separate water fountains, or any of the trappings of White supremacy. They want complete separation into a White ethno-state. Non-Whites will be liberated from all that micro-aggression, macro-aggression, stereotype threats, White privilege, police oppression, economic exploitation etc. Utopia will dawn for all peoples.
    Nevertheless, the term White Supremacist will be applied to him and to other WN's until the sun goes nova because it is a slur.
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  15. The revolution is always hungry.

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  16. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942930171841122310

    Children, children everywhere. The woker/blacker the more childish.

    Twitter brings it out. The name of that toxic product is well chosen.

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    • Replies: @Rob Lee
    Had an old firearms instructor from Texas muse... "Twitter? That's what happens after you shoot a man. He twitters for a bit."

    I laughed.
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    @Opinionator
    But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.” …

    Has Spencer expressly disavowed White supremacism?

    The real question is: Has Taylor Swift expressly disavowed Richard Spencer?

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  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    Somewhat OT: bit of an amusing dust-up today between the various Fredocons (Charles C. W. Cooke, David French, even Jonah Goldberg) at NR, and ((Fellow Conservatives))) Jennifer Rubin and David Frum (who leapt to Rubin's defense) over the latters' perpetual, deranged garment-rending over Trump, which comes across as over-the-top and irrational to the former. It's amusing to see so many words expended by people who can't say (or who aren't self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454701/jennifer-rubin-trump-obsession-mindless-opponent
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/conservatism-is-what-conservatives-think-say-and-do/548738/
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454779/david-frum-proves-my-point

    How do you do fellow conservatives?

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    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    Fabulous interview with 2 of my cousins! our bubbes went to the same shul back in Kichinev!
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  19. Berty says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I disagree with Cornel West on just about everything. But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    I’ve always found West to be interesting to listen to. His manner of speech, the way he forms his sentences, and just his overall charisma really appeals to the ears. Plus it’s refreshing to see a black man who hasn’t been bought off by (((progressives))).

    TNC is just a boring dullard who says the same shit every time he talks.

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    about 60% of West's commentary would be right at home with Rothbard-Rockwell rightists, except a/ they do it better and b/ name names. Rothbard especially was fearless.

    Ralph Nader had a column in 2014 in AmCon (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-owns-america/) about how the anti-crony left and principled right should come together around their shared interests. I would give the left everything they wanted (cut defense spending, regulate Wall Street, protectionism, labor unions etc.) for what we required on immigration and the national question.

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that "the left would never take that deal".
    , @istevefan
    I agree. His mannerisms and that weird neck gaiter he wears make him interesting to watch.
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  20. It just goes to show: If you can’t take the heat, get out of the bitchin’.

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  21. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942930171841122310

    We’ve passed the event horizon of moral outrage, it cannot return to sanity, only implode on itself.

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  22. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    the white supremacist Richard Spencer,

    Can newspapers get away with such slander?

    Spencer doesn’t call himself such, so how can NYT characterize him as such? He is a supremacist because he calls for white identity?

    Then, why not call Zionists ‘Jewish Supremacists’?

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    The MSM can do whatever they want, in case you hadn't noticed. This goes treble for the NYT.
    , @IHTG
    Hot take: Non-violent "white supremacy" is actually preferable to white nationalism.
    , @Opinionator
    Please provide us a citation where Spencer clearly disavows White supremacism.

    Here is is speaking favorably of it and seeming to equate it with his "muh ethnostate":

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puJ-arJgkZU
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  23. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I disagree with Cornel West on just about everything. But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    Compared a total moron like Coates, even the loathsome West seems rather sane.

    I will say he is more consistent with his ideology.

    But one thing he has in common with Coates is preening self-regard.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's called "being black in Modern America".
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  24. Whiskey says: • Website

    FWIW Joss Whedon also quit Twitter, this was a bit before his ex-wife dumped his philandering as a feminist all over the tabloids. I think even then the reason he quit was not SJW sniping but people ridiculing his fairly obvious casting couch and speculating on just what actress performed which sex act to get a good role.

    Perhaps something … “handsy” is about to drop with Mr. Coates. After all, Twitter is like crack to those who attention whore for a living.

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  25. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Same pattern.

    Coates got his ass whupped by blacks and ran off to make it in the white world.

    He got his ass kicked by a black guy again, and he better seek more comfort from whites, the only people who care about his tortoise-head self.

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  26. neutral says:

    Two questions, do people still using the words “Uncle Tom” these days, and if so am I right is saying that Coates is the Uncle Tom here (since what he says does not make Wall Street, Silicon Valley, MIC lose sleep over it).

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  27. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that ‘white supremacy’ is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc. He won’t go all the way, but his attack implies considerable Jewish power, and he has been vocal in denouncing Zionist treatment of Palestinians in ways that Coates never was.

    West is saying, “Look kid, the Real Power makes you fixate on KKK and Nazis, but the people who are waging the wars and robbing everyone are the very people you work for. They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. As loathsome as white supremacism, the real power is globo-Zionist, finance capitalist, and neo-imperialist. The Real Power shores up its bogus ‘progressive’ credentials by hiring and flattering suckers like you into hunting for phantom KKK while it ravages the world with wars, invasions, and plunder.”

    You can tell that NYT hates how West spilled the beans on Coates as a stupid ‘genius’ dupe of new York elites who run Wall Street and use whore politicians to censor stuff like BDS.
    So, NYT conflates West with a ‘white supremacist’ in its defense of House Negro of the Establishment.

    Maybe Coates was so taken aback because the truth hit him like a freight train.

    Like the guy in ALL THE KINGS MEN realizing he’s been a dupe all along.

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    "They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. "

    See one Owen Jones, "left wing journalist", in the UK.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    He's got my vote.
    , @Opinionator
    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that ‘white supremacy’ is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc.

    And Richard Spencer plays right into such a tactic (to the extent that what you write is true). In a way, Spencer is a bigger dupe than Coates is.
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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    the white supremacist Richard Spencer,

    Can newspapers get away with such slander?

    Spencer doesn't call himself such, so how can NYT characterize him as such? He is a supremacist because he calls for white identity?

    Then, why not call Zionists 'Jewish Supremacists'?

    The MSM can do whatever they want, in case you hadn’t noticed. This goes treble for the NYT.

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  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    Compared a total moron like Coates, even the loathsome West seems rather sane.

    I will say he is more consistent with his ideology.

    But one thing he has in common with Coates is preening self-regard.

    It’s called “being black in Modern America”.

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  30. Neoconned says:
    @Meretricious
    West hasn't taught at Harvard for years--he's basically retired and has an emeritus gig at Princeton

    As I’ve said here before but some may have forgotten….I lean Democrat. I supported Obama in both elections and Bernie in the last one.

    I like “Brother Cornel” and agree 150% on this.

    The main thing that REALLY disillusioned me with Obama was his foot dragging on ending the wars, bringing the troops home and neutering the neocons and the Deep State.

    That and having been raised a Baptist I was never a big social issue guy or big promoter of gay marriage.

    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it’s an unimportant wedge issue.

    All Obama and Hillary’s ppl did was say whites bad gays/minorities good.

    No talk on how Romneycare and Obamacare were/are the same thing. No talk on the wars, unions, corporatism, Deep State nonsense, even hiking taxes or a new Keynesian new deal.

    Just sex and race….sex sex sex sex sex.

    Gays this trans that.

    Ok I said, fuck it. At least Trump talks like a populist. Hillary does nothing. I stayed home….

    Maybe it’ll take eight years of Trump to get the message and debate off identity politics..m.

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    What about immigration and our borders?
    , @Anon
    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it’s an unimportant wedge issue.

    What a pathetic cucky-wuck goo-goo boy.
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  31. Wait, Cornel West is a Harvard professor? How did I miss that. I thought he was some sort of gadfly writer.

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  32. Mikeja says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I disagree with Cornel West on just about everything. But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    The story about West at the start of Michael Dyson’s hit piece made me lol.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

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  33. Allen says:
    @Thomas
    Somewhat OT: bit of an amusing dust-up today between the various Fredocons (Charles C. W. Cooke, David French, even Jonah Goldberg) at NR, and ((Fellow Conservatives))) Jennifer Rubin and David Frum (who leapt to Rubin's defense) over the latters' perpetual, deranged garment-rending over Trump, which comes across as over-the-top and irrational to the former. It's amusing to see so many words expended by people who can't say (or who aren't self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454701/jennifer-rubin-trump-obsession-mindless-opponent
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/conservatism-is-what-conservatives-think-say-and-do/548738/
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454779/david-frum-proves-my-point

    Cooke’s response to Frum comes dangerously close to addressing subjects that can’t be discussed. The following quote reads really differently after hanging around these parts:

    “Everyone knows what “team” Jenifer Rubin is on, just as they know what “team” David Frum is on. We all know, in advance, what Rubin will write, as we know in advance what Frum will write. She — and he — now have in-built networks, and, judging by the number of Frum’s Twitter followers, they are thriving in them.”

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  34. Cornel West to Ta-Nehisi Coates:

    To put it quite frank, you a bitch! In
    the fight against White, you won’t pitch in.
    If you don’t like my tweet,
    And you can’t take the heat,
    Git yo pussified ass out the kitchen!

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  35. @Anon
    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that 'white supremacy' is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc. He won't go all the way, but his attack implies considerable Jewish power, and he has been vocal in denouncing Zionist treatment of Palestinians in ways that Coates never was.

    West is saying, "Look kid, the Real Power makes you fixate on KKK and Nazis, but the people who are waging the wars and robbing everyone are the very people you work for. They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. As loathsome as white supremacism, the real power is globo-Zionist, finance capitalist, and neo-imperialist. The Real Power shores up its bogus 'progressive' credentials by hiring and flattering suckers like you into hunting for phantom KKK while it ravages the world with wars, invasions, and plunder."

    You can tell that NYT hates how West spilled the beans on Coates as a stupid 'genius' dupe of new York elites who run Wall Street and use whore politicians to censor stuff like BDS.
    So, NYT conflates West with a 'white supremacist' in its defense of House Negro of the Establishment.

    Maybe Coates was so taken aback because the truth hit him like a freight train.

    Like the guy in ALL THE KINGS MEN realizing he's been a dupe all along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgJC4Pu_tbo

    “They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. “

    See one Owen Jones, “left wing journalist”, in the UK.

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  36. IHTG says:
    @Anon
    the white supremacist Richard Spencer,

    Can newspapers get away with such slander?

    Spencer doesn't call himself such, so how can NYT characterize him as such? He is a supremacist because he calls for white identity?

    Then, why not call Zionists 'Jewish Supremacists'?

    Hot take: Non-violent “white supremacy” is actually preferable to white nationalism.

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  37. This is the worst ending to a rap feud ever.

    I’m not suggesting that they should have gone Tupac/Biggie, but maybe 50 Cent/Rick Ross, where Coates superimposes his face on a sex tape involving West’s wife?

    Coates would have done better by playing Trump in the Eminem v. Trump feud, and just ignoring West while he flails around screaming look at me daddy!

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  38. Clyde says:

    Twitter deleted AmRen, VDare and other alt right accounts while Ta Ta Coats deleted his in solidarity. </sarc>

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    Vdare is still on Twiter (for now). I haven't noticed the purge that I expected from the hype.
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  39. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous IV
    Well, I have to give Cornel West credit for at least not being snookered by the hagiography surrounding Obama. Clearly West is of the Chris Hedges "I'm so far to the left that no Democratic politician will escape my wrath" school. But then West's list of Coates' sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama's public image, and I think the best part of West's critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.

    West is himself open to the critique of being something of a sellout--quite happy to take on professorships and whatnot. I suppose West's reply would be that he, unlike TNC, continues to complain about Wall Street and wars and links Obama with this neoliberal state of affairs. He is probably right that Obama is the first black head of the neoliberal state rather than a true black radical in the mold of West's hero Malcolm X. Despite all the "Obama is a Marxist!" stuff I've read over the years, I do think there is quite a bit of truth in this charge. The problem is that when it came to culture-war stuff, Obama was doubly committed, perhaps as compensation. (I think Hillary would have used this same strategy had she won.)

    Anyway, back to Coates. I suspect the white liberal New Yorker-types will mostly circle around TNC as opposed to West. Most of them like the whole gauzy Obama "Lightworker" shtick that Coates buys into. It's a weird dynamic here because Coates has indeed become very pessimistic, so much so that there is little room for hope in his view (something West takes him to task for), but at the same time West's vision is in its way even more "in your face" and I suspect unpalatable for lots of white liberals. You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.

    Christmas cheer lulz at…Your last paragraph with Obama as The Lightworker! Mark Morford, yoga instructor and SF Chron columnist came up with this. MM is gay too iirc.

    Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say …
    http://www.sfgate.com/…/article/Is-Obama-an-enlightened-being…2544395.php
    Is Obama an enlightened being? … but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, … Mark Morford’s latest book is ‘The Daring Spectacle: …

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  40. Arclight says:

    Coates has always been thin-skinned. Back when he allowed comments on his pieces in the Atlantic, he would regularly get into the weeds arguing with commenters and more often than not was bailed out by his sycophantic followers (‘The Horde’) who would assure him of his genius while others pointed out he hadn’t made the point he thought he had.

    Anyway, very entertaining overall. West is nearly unreadable, and just like his opposition to Obama for not being sufficiently progressive, this is all about West keeping up his profile, nothing else. TNC could have simply said that and a lot of people would have agreed with him, but he’s so accustomed to being hailed as a genius he can’t hack it when taunted by an attention-seeking alpha. Story of his life, I guess.

    I will say that if he stays off Twitter I would have to give some grudging respect for that, though – walking away from the ability to influence 1.5 million followers can’t be easy for a guy in his position.

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    if he stays off Twitter I would have to give some grudging respect for that, though
     
    What, stick the flounce? No SJW ever has, or ever will.
    Flouncey flouncey back in a jiffy now you've all learned your lesson is my prognostication. If he's true to type, it'll be vague threats of self-harm next. Also to remain disappointingly unfulfilled.
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  41. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Meretricious
    West hasn't taught at Harvard for years--he's basically retired and has an emeritus gig at Princeton

    He’s in the HLS course catalog for this spring. Apparently he’s co-teaching a couple of seminars, which is probably not much work.

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  42. “What you’re not supposed to do is what Coates did: get your feelings hurt and quit Twitter.”

    This is a great point. TC isn’t bright enough to understand that he owes his fake “genius” stature entirely to the white, lefty pundit class (e.g. NYT’s David Brooks, who reviewed Coates’s book with the de rigueur self-flagellation “as a white man [do I have] the moral standing to question any part of it?”). Thus, the irony, the whites he hates are the ones who protect his fragile feelings. My guess is that the blacks in his bookstore signing gigs are far and few between.

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  43. @Meretricious
    West hasn't taught at Harvard for years--he's basically retired and has an emeritus gig at Princeton

    Maybe “Harvard professor” is one of those titles you can hold onto after you leave, like they still address Rudi Giuliani as “Mayor.”

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  44. But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.”

    But it was also retweeted by Ta-Nehisi Coates’ white equivalent, Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.”

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    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

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  45. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Berty
    I've always found West to be interesting to listen to. His manner of speech, the way he forms his sentences, and just his overall charisma really appeals to the ears. Plus it's refreshing to see a black man who hasn't been bought off by (((progressives))).

    TNC is just a boring dullard who says the same shit every time he talks.

    about 60% of West’s commentary would be right at home with Rothbard-Rockwell rightists, except a/ they do it better and b/ name names. Rothbard especially was fearless.

    Ralph Nader had a column in 2014 in AmCon (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-owns-america/) about how the anti-crony left and principled right should come together around their shared interests. I would give the left everything they wanted (cut defense spending, regulate Wall Street, protectionism, labor unions etc.) for what we required on immigration and the national question.

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.

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    • Replies: @Corn
    “I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.”

    Sadly I think he’s right. Multicult and Open Borders has become a religion.
    , @Opinionator
    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.

    Many would though. You've got to at least make the offer and see. And you do it publicly because it would be difficult to reject publicly.
    , @guest
    Only an ideologue could make that proposal. Rothbard thought the New Left could be his ally, among other reasons because right-libertarians were anti-war, too. But it doesn't work like that, as he realized. You might as well say Nazis and commies could be best friends because they're both socialists.

    Well, Nazis and commies actually did work together in the years before WWII, as a sort of conspiracy against the Western powers. But at heart they were mortal enemies. That's because politics isn't about ideas. It's gang warfare.

    I used to wonder what it was that made this or that country "fascist," because I couldn't discern the common thread. Couldn't be command economies, authoritarianism, and nationalism, because honestly you could say the same thing about Stalin. But Stalin was in the Left Gang, clearly, and those guys weren't. It eventually occurred to me that those countries were the ones who were simultaneously novel--meaning they had broken with the past and weren't just rehashed or updated versions of prevailing political orders--and they fought back against commies. That's pretty much it.

    Left anti-corporatists and right anti-crony capitalists may have common enemies, but they're also eachother's enemies. That would come out sooner or later, and probably sooner.

    What's more likely to happen is one or the other gang will steal the other's constituency.

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  46. Mighty white of Coates to bow out before a great black man like Mr. West. He knew he couldn’t hold a candle to Cornel’s authenticity.

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  47. Anon7 says:
    @Anonymous
    Some pay-per-view in-fighting:

    https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/942488047727333377

    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942919685015732224

    Ida Bae Wells, if that really is her name, is the whitest black woman I’ve ever seen. If you look really closely at her twitter pic, she actually has to label herself with a necklace that says “blackgurlmagic”.

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  48. Corn says:
    @Anonymous
    Some pay-per-view in-fighting:

    https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/942488047727333377

    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942919685015732224

    Problematic. Another word the Left’s volunteer commissars will ruin.

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  49. Yan Shen says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.”

    But it was also retweeted by Ta-Nehisi Coates' white equivalent, Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.”

    I don’t think there’s an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

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    "as multiple people have now noted"

    Liar.
    , @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    Richard Spencer, I'd agree, is divorced from reality and is unproductive. Is Coates unproductive? Depends on what you are measuring. He seems to have been quite effective at generating anti-White animus and spreading anti-White narratives. (By those measures, I suppose Richard Spencer has been productive as well.)
    , @Art Deco
    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    I can taste Teh Crazy. The two produce written words for a living on onstensibly serious subjects. Otherwise they resemble each other hardly at all.
    , @Art Deco
    Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    Fella, he spends his time that way as a means of occupying his mind in lieu of contemplating reality. The reality is that the quality of life in his native Baltimore is distorted and disfigured by (black) hoodlums, not by pushy (white) women in elevators.
    , @Hunsdon
    "As Yan Shen has noted, multiple times."
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  50. Corn says:
    @DCThrowback
    about 60% of West's commentary would be right at home with Rothbard-Rockwell rightists, except a/ they do it better and b/ name names. Rothbard especially was fearless.

    Ralph Nader had a column in 2014 in AmCon (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-owns-america/) about how the anti-crony left and principled right should come together around their shared interests. I would give the left everything they wanted (cut defense spending, regulate Wall Street, protectionism, labor unions etc.) for what we required on immigration and the national question.

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that "the left would never take that deal".

    “I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.”

    Sadly I think he’s right. Multicult and Open Borders has become a religion.

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    Trump has come about as close as any politician to offering precisely that deal - and he won doing so.
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  51. TheBoom says:

    If only Taylor Swift cared enough to referee this dispute it might be resolved. Imagine how indignant everyone who is woke would be that a white woman used her privilege to whitesplain something to her superiors. I’m sure that the genius and the other guy would join forces to condemn her.

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  52. “I ran into Charlie, Lord.
    He blacked my eye and he kicked my dog.
    My dog, he looked at me and said,
    “let’s go back to Tennessee, Jed”

    Well, you know you’re bound to wind up dead,
    if you don’t get back to Tennessee, Jed.

    Tennessee, Tennessee.
    There ain’t no place I’d rather be.
    Baby, won’t you carry me
    back to Tennessee”

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  53. @Anonymous IV
    Well, I have to give Cornel West credit for at least not being snookered by the hagiography surrounding Obama. Clearly West is of the Chris Hedges "I'm so far to the left that no Democratic politician will escape my wrath" school. But then West's list of Coates' sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama's public image, and I think the best part of West's critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.

    West is himself open to the critique of being something of a sellout--quite happy to take on professorships and whatnot. I suppose West's reply would be that he, unlike TNC, continues to complain about Wall Street and wars and links Obama with this neoliberal state of affairs. He is probably right that Obama is the first black head of the neoliberal state rather than a true black radical in the mold of West's hero Malcolm X. Despite all the "Obama is a Marxist!" stuff I've read over the years, I do think there is quite a bit of truth in this charge. The problem is that when it came to culture-war stuff, Obama was doubly committed, perhaps as compensation. (I think Hillary would have used this same strategy had she won.)

    Anyway, back to Coates. I suspect the white liberal New Yorker-types will mostly circle around TNC as opposed to West. Most of them like the whole gauzy Obama "Lightworker" shtick that Coates buys into. It's a weird dynamic here because Coates has indeed become very pessimistic, so much so that there is little room for hope in his view (something West takes him to task for), but at the same time West's vision is in its way even more "in your face" and I suspect unpalatable for lots of white liberals. You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.

    But then West’s list of Coates’ sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama’s public image, and I think the best part of West’s critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.

    I have always had a sneaking suspicion that Israel/Palestine will turn out to be the thermal exhaust port of the TNC potemkin Death Star. Most insiders have intimated that the whole Coates phenomenon is very largely an artificial construct by two men: Jeffrey Goldberg and Yochai Benkler. Kind of like how JFK the author, and even the novice politician, was pretty much invented out of whole cloth by his father Joe. Take their sponsorship/stage management away, and the Genius facade collapses like drywall after a flood. At some point, a figure like West is eventually going to bait TNC into saying/writing/tweeting something that offends Goldberg and Benkler, and that something will almost certainly be about a certain Middle Eastern country that, as far as I know, TNC has never even been to. And then they will turn on him.

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  54. Thirdtwin says:

    “West gets his name in the papers and clings to Coates a bit…”

    By the tails, no doubt.

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    Your commenter is wrong. Teh-Nagenius did the instinctively correct thing to “win” the fight– he knows West (goofy but a legit academic brainiac, like pre-CNN Alan Dershowitz) is out of his league intellectually *and* that there is little overlap with, hence prospect of poaching West’s fan base. By ostentatiously bailing on Twitter, which I suppose is what passes for civic courage these days, TN Coatespeare has secured his reputation without having to answer an incisive attack. Don’t be surprised when more millennial lightweight celebs copy this tactic. Richard Spencer once again plays the perfect foil & servant of metro-liberal self esteem.

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  56. @Thomas
    Somewhat OT: bit of an amusing dust-up today between the various Fredocons (Charles C. W. Cooke, David French, even Jonah Goldberg) at NR, and ((Fellow Conservatives))) Jennifer Rubin and David Frum (who leapt to Rubin's defense) over the latters' perpetual, deranged garment-rending over Trump, which comes across as over-the-top and irrational to the former. It's amusing to see so many words expended by people who can't say (or who aren't self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454701/jennifer-rubin-trump-obsession-mindless-opponent
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/conservatism-is-what-conservatives-think-say-and-do/548738/
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454779/david-frum-proves-my-point

    “It’s amusing to see so many words expended by people who can’t say (or who aren’t self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.”

    That is a simple, truthful and profound statement. It is a statement that I think applies to so much of the noise we hear from the media, and yet it also serves as an explanation as to why most people don’t understand what they’re being fed. The average person has no idea how the information they receive has been manipulated, mangled and distorted, and it how it adversely affects their ability to think clearly.

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    how it adversely affects their ability to think clearly.
     
    By design, sir, in every "research division"--in-house or contracted--of every media outlet in creation.

    If "the average person" had any clue about the extent, depth, totality, and depravity of their status as rats in behaviorist cages, they'd take up pitchforks, torches, and ARs against those who put and keep them there for their own power and profit.

    This is the top red pill I have used for the past 20 years in my own circles. Media content isn't the product, "the average person" is the product. The point isn't to understand but to polarize, to preach, to establish categories, to push people toward alignment with one or the other, and to keep them confused and dependent and addicted to the information flow.

    The problem is, most of "average persons" aren't hardwired to go at this critique rationally, factually, or with data. (For instance, deconstructing media narratives on Complicated Topic X.) Meme war presents some opportunities to conduct this asymmetrical info warfare...and seems to have gained some ground in recent years.

    But we're going to have to crack the now-widespread sense of news men and media figures and pundits being the holy ones pronouncing from on high and knowing more than the rest of us because they can confuse audience members with talmudic disputation and commentary that circles truth like a cloud of gnats but manages never to land on it.
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  57. Wieseltier contra West.

    Or so is the case of Cornel West. Since there is no crisis in America more urgent than the crisis of race, and since there is no intellectual in America more celebrated for his consideration of the crisis of race, I turned to West, and read his books. They are almost completely worthless.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/88939/cornel-west-race-america-book-review

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  58. ogunsiron says:
    @Anon
    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/943161324464467968

    How do you do fellow conservatives?

    Fabulous interview with 2 of my cousins! our bubbes went to the same shul back in Kichinev!

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  59. Rob Lee says:
    @El Dato
    Children, children everywhere. The woker/blacker the more childish.

    Twitter brings it out. The name of that toxic product is well chosen.

    Had an old firearms instructor from Texas muse… “Twitter? That’s what happens after you shoot a man. He twitters for a bit.”

    I laughed.

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  60. @Opinionator
    But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.” …

    Has Spencer expressly disavowed White supremacism?

    I’m a white supremacist and I agree with West that Coates is a crying little neoliberal beeeyotch.

    Coates banned me from commenting at the Atlantic four or five times. No other writer there was troubled by me.

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  61. @Anon
    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that 'white supremacy' is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc. He won't go all the way, but his attack implies considerable Jewish power, and he has been vocal in denouncing Zionist treatment of Palestinians in ways that Coates never was.

    West is saying, "Look kid, the Real Power makes you fixate on KKK and Nazis, but the people who are waging the wars and robbing everyone are the very people you work for. They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. As loathsome as white supremacism, the real power is globo-Zionist, finance capitalist, and neo-imperialist. The Real Power shores up its bogus 'progressive' credentials by hiring and flattering suckers like you into hunting for phantom KKK while it ravages the world with wars, invasions, and plunder."

    You can tell that NYT hates how West spilled the beans on Coates as a stupid 'genius' dupe of new York elites who run Wall Street and use whore politicians to censor stuff like BDS.
    So, NYT conflates West with a 'white supremacist' in its defense of House Negro of the Establishment.

    Maybe Coates was so taken aback because the truth hit him like a freight train.

    Like the guy in ALL THE KINGS MEN realizing he's been a dupe all along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgJC4Pu_tbo

    He’s got my vote.

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  62. Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, No one asks the about what the Great Kat has to say about any issues. She is the queen of hyperspeed metal and the great genius of our time. I think we are missing out on something.

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    Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, No one asks the about what the Great Kat has to say about any issues. She is the queen of hyperspeed metal and the great genius of our time. I think we are missing out on something.
     
    There's a name I haven't heard in a while. Her kayfabe has gotten old and tired, and I figured she went back to teaching violin in a private school somewhere. She lacks the charm of even such metal spoofmeisters as Steel Panther.

    She is fairly impressive as a technical guitar player, although shredding isn't as challenging as it looks. Playing jazz changes with challenging chord inversions requiring finger stretches comping in a live environment is probably the big guitar challenge, along with a few classical guitar pieces that are genuinely hard to play well (most classical guitar is also not as tough as it looks once broken down by formal study, but it is not obvious and very few can figure it out by themselves, formal training is a near necessity).
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  63. Perplexed says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/942930171841122310

    Intersectionality: good or bad? Debate.

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  64. https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/47877?in=03:09

    Anyone see mcworter and Loury tear into Coates? They essentially say he exists to be a black symbol for white liberals.

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  65. The media will push a black person if they focus on hating whites while ignoring jewish supremacy and the class divide. I guess Coates didn’t understand why he is famous.

    I rarely hear people talk about the Donald Trump-professional wrestling connection, but the US is a nation that doesn’t have a grasp on pro wrestling psychology and he really used his understanding of that craft to undermine his opponents, especially in the primary.

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  66. Peterike says:

    Tennessee Coates: the world’s first black snowflake.

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  67. @Anon
    the white supremacist Richard Spencer,

    Can newspapers get away with such slander?

    Spencer doesn't call himself such, so how can NYT characterize him as such? He is a supremacist because he calls for white identity?

    Then, why not call Zionists 'Jewish Supremacists'?

    Please provide us a citation where Spencer clearly disavows White supremacism.

    Here is is speaking favorably of it and seeming to equate it with his “muh ethnostate”:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puJ-arJgkZU

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  68. @DCThrowback
    about 60% of West's commentary would be right at home with Rothbard-Rockwell rightists, except a/ they do it better and b/ name names. Rothbard especially was fearless.

    Ralph Nader had a column in 2014 in AmCon (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-owns-america/) about how the anti-crony left and principled right should come together around their shared interests. I would give the left everything they wanted (cut defense spending, regulate Wall Street, protectionism, labor unions etc.) for what we required on immigration and the national question.

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that "the left would never take that deal".

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.

    Many would though. You’ve got to at least make the offer and see. And you do it publicly because it would be difficult to reject publicly.

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    Dick Gephardt: white courtesy phone
    , @Sane Left Libertarian
    I as an old fashioned lefty would take it in a heartbeat. Liberal used to mean public resources for public good, and clean water and air for everyone, and drivable roads and such. Now one must be pro-riot, pro-open borders, and blame white men for everything to be considered a lefty.
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  69. @Anon
    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …

    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that 'white supremacy' is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc. He won't go all the way, but his attack implies considerable Jewish power, and he has been vocal in denouncing Zionist treatment of Palestinians in ways that Coates never was.

    West is saying, "Look kid, the Real Power makes you fixate on KKK and Nazis, but the people who are waging the wars and robbing everyone are the very people you work for. They shower you with praise for barking up the wrong tree. As loathsome as white supremacism, the real power is globo-Zionist, finance capitalist, and neo-imperialist. The Real Power shores up its bogus 'progressive' credentials by hiring and flattering suckers like you into hunting for phantom KKK while it ravages the world with wars, invasions, and plunder."

    You can tell that NYT hates how West spilled the beans on Coates as a stupid 'genius' dupe of new York elites who run Wall Street and use whore politicians to censor stuff like BDS.
    So, NYT conflates West with a 'white supremacist' in its defense of House Negro of the Establishment.

    Maybe Coates was so taken aback because the truth hit him like a freight train.

    Like the guy in ALL THE KINGS MEN realizing he's been a dupe all along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgJC4Pu_tbo

    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that ‘white supremacy’ is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc.

    And Richard Spencer plays right into such a tactic (to the extent that what you write is true). In a way, Spencer is a bigger dupe than Coates is.

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  70. guest says:
    @DCThrowback
    about 60% of West's commentary would be right at home with Rothbard-Rockwell rightists, except a/ they do it better and b/ name names. Rothbard especially was fearless.

    Ralph Nader had a column in 2014 in AmCon (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-owns-america/) about how the anti-crony left and principled right should come together around their shared interests. I would give the left everything they wanted (cut defense spending, regulate Wall Street, protectionism, labor unions etc.) for what we required on immigration and the national question.

    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that "the left would never take that deal".

    Only an ideologue could make that proposal. Rothbard thought the New Left could be his ally, among other reasons because right-libertarians were anti-war, too. But it doesn’t work like that, as he realized. You might as well say Nazis and commies could be best friends because they’re both socialists.

    Well, Nazis and commies actually did work together in the years before WWII, as a sort of conspiracy against the Western powers. But at heart they were mortal enemies. That’s because politics isn’t about ideas. It’s gang warfare.

    I used to wonder what it was that made this or that country “fascist,” because I couldn’t discern the common thread. Couldn’t be command economies, authoritarianism, and nationalism, because honestly you could say the same thing about Stalin. But Stalin was in the Left Gang, clearly, and those guys weren’t. It eventually occurred to me that those countries were the ones who were simultaneously novel–meaning they had broken with the past and weren’t just rehashed or updated versions of prevailing political orders–and they fought back against commies. That’s pretty much it.

    Left anti-corporatists and right anti-crony capitalists may have common enemies, but they’re also eachother’s enemies. That would come out sooner or later, and probably sooner.

    What’s more likely to happen is one or the other gang will steal the other’s constituency.

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    "What’s more likely to happen is one or the other gang will steal the other’s constituency."

    The recent future belongs to Bernie bros
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  71. Alfa158 says:
    @Opinionator
    But it was also retweeted by the white supremacist Richard Spencer, who added, “He’s not wrong.” …

    Has Spencer expressly disavowed White supremacism?

    Yes he has. He is a White nationalist. White Nationalists have no interest in bringing back slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, apartheid, separate water fountains, or any of the trappings of White supremacy. They want complete separation into a White ethno-state. Non-Whites will be liberated from all that micro-aggression, macro-aggression, stereotype threats, White privilege, police oppression, economic exploitation etc. Utopia will dawn for all peoples.
    Nevertheless, the term White Supremacist will be applied to him and to other WN’s until the sun goes nova because it is a slur.

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    I think I get the theoretical distinction you are making.

    Nonetheless, can you point me to any statement of Spencer's where he expressly disavows White supremacism or clearly denies that he is a White supremacist?
    , @Opinionator
    The distinction you make, by the way, offers little comfort to the millions of Americans whom Richard Spencer does not consider "White," or to Whites who count non-White citizens among their friends and family, or even to White citizens who feel duty and loyalty to their fellow citizens, be those citizens White or non-White.
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  72. OT: here is another movie I won’t be seeing: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2017/12/18/christian-bale-us-genocide-bigotry-my-new-western-relevant-today

    Too bad. Bale is a fine actor, but seems to think everyone is dying to hear what he has to say.

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  73. “Taylor Swift’s silence on the Coates-West feud remains deafening.”

    Oh man… that made my week.

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  74. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Opinionator
    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.

    Many would though. You've got to at least make the offer and see. And you do it publicly because it would be difficult to reject publicly.

    Dick Gephardt: white courtesy phone

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    Trump 2016.
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  75. DCThrowback says: • Website
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    Only an ideologue could make that proposal. Rothbard thought the New Left could be his ally, among other reasons because right-libertarians were anti-war, too. But it doesn't work like that, as he realized. You might as well say Nazis and commies could be best friends because they're both socialists.

    Well, Nazis and commies actually did work together in the years before WWII, as a sort of conspiracy against the Western powers. But at heart they were mortal enemies. That's because politics isn't about ideas. It's gang warfare.

    I used to wonder what it was that made this or that country "fascist," because I couldn't discern the common thread. Couldn't be command economies, authoritarianism, and nationalism, because honestly you could say the same thing about Stalin. But Stalin was in the Left Gang, clearly, and those guys weren't. It eventually occurred to me that those countries were the ones who were simultaneously novel--meaning they had broken with the past and weren't just rehashed or updated versions of prevailing political orders--and they fought back against commies. That's pretty much it.

    Left anti-corporatists and right anti-crony capitalists may have common enemies, but they're also eachother's enemies. That would come out sooner or later, and probably sooner.

    What's more likely to happen is one or the other gang will steal the other's constituency.

    “What’s more likely to happen is one or the other gang will steal the other’s constituency.”

    The recent future belongs to Bernie bros

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  76. guest says:
    @Yan Shen
    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    “as multiple people have now noted”

    Liar.

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  77. @Yan Shen
    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    Richard Spencer, I’d agree, is divorced from reality and is unproductive. Is Coates unproductive? Depends on what you are measuring. He seems to have been quite effective at generating anti-White animus and spreading anti-White narratives. (By those measures, I suppose Richard Spencer has been productive as well.)

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    Richard Spencer, I’d agree, is divorced from reality and is unproductive.

    It's hard to be 'productive' when you are denied all sorts of services and attacked from all sides. Even trying to speak at colleges require so much effort. Paypay and Patreon banned him. RADIX has been taken down. Ronald Reagan Building, though a public facility, denied him space.

    It's an uphill climb. If the media and establishment played it neutral and let everyone play by the same rules, Spencer would have done so much more.

    He has deficiencies and delusions that are foolish. And he got involved in too many internecine battles when it was way too early.
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  78. @Corn
    “I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.”

    Sadly I think he’s right. Multicult and Open Borders has become a religion.

    Trump has come about as close as any politician to offering precisely that deal – and he won doing so.

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  79. @Opinionator
    I raised that point to Peter Brimelow at a VDARE event in 2016 and he indicated that “the left would never take that deal”.

    Many would though. You've got to at least make the offer and see. And you do it publicly because it would be difficult to reject publicly.

    I as an old fashioned lefty would take it in a heartbeat. Liberal used to mean public resources for public good, and clean water and air for everyone, and drivable roads and such. Now one must be pro-riot, pro-open borders, and blame white men for everything to be considered a lefty.

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  80. @Alfa158
    Yes he has. He is a White nationalist. White Nationalists have no interest in bringing back slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, apartheid, separate water fountains, or any of the trappings of White supremacy. They want complete separation into a White ethno-state. Non-Whites will be liberated from all that micro-aggression, macro-aggression, stereotype threats, White privilege, police oppression, economic exploitation etc. Utopia will dawn for all peoples.
    Nevertheless, the term White Supremacist will be applied to him and to other WN's until the sun goes nova because it is a slur.

    I think I get the theoretical distinction you are making.

    Nonetheless, can you point me to any statement of Spencer’s where he expressly disavows White supremacism or clearly denies that he is a White supremacist?

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  81. @DCThrowback
    Dick Gephardt: white courtesy phone

    Trump 2016.

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    Da Thrilla On Twitta!

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  83. Benjaminl says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Or perhaps Cornel West is reliving his own past, more than a decade ago, when Larry Summers, then President of Harvard University, called into question the worth of Cornel West's own work. Cornel West was then what Ta-Nehisi Coates is now—America's Premier Black Intellectual™.

    To quote the Economist magazine from that time


    According to the Boston Globe, last October Mr Summers rebuked Cornel West, who holds one of Harvard's coveted university professorships. Mr West's alleged sins included recording a rap CD, leading a political committee for Al Sharpton's possible presidential campaign, writing books more likely to be reviewed in The New York Times than in academic journals and allowing grade inflation.

    Since then the incident has spiralled into a full-blown academic tempest. The insulted Mr West is considering a rival offer from Princeton, his former employer. Henry Louis Gates, the department head, and Kwame Anthony Appiah, a philosopher, are thinking of going with him. Mr West has also announced that he intends to take a leave of absence.

    It will get worse. Jesse Jackson, that well-known crusader for academic standards, has arranged a meeting with Mr Summers. “The tension at Harvard is having an impact across the country,” says Mr Jackson, whose last venture into politics was to try to broker a deal with the Taliban. Mr Sharpton also wants to meet Mr Summers. He is considering filing a lawsuit against Harvard as “an aggrieved party”.

    If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.

    His rap album (sample lyric: “No other people in the modern world have had such unprecedented levels of unregulated violence against them”) indicates that the medium is best left to the likes of Snoop Doggy Dogg rather than Harvard professors. His website is shot through with embarrassing boasts and grammatical errors. The section devoted to the rap album begins by stating that “In all modesty, this project constitutes a watershed moment in musical history” (what on earth would the immodest version be?). It describes Mr West as “one of the most preeminent minds of our time” and refers to somebody called “Nietzche”.


     

    http://www.economist.com/node/923104

    Even leftist website The Awl has to struggle pretty hard to find nice things to say about that Cornel West project, in between Herculean efforts of virtue signaling:

    https://www.theawl.com/2012/05/the-cornel-west-album-that-larry-summers-kept-calling-a-rap-cd/

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  84. @Alfa158
    Yes he has. He is a White nationalist. White Nationalists have no interest in bringing back slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, apartheid, separate water fountains, or any of the trappings of White supremacy. They want complete separation into a White ethno-state. Non-Whites will be liberated from all that micro-aggression, macro-aggression, stereotype threats, White privilege, police oppression, economic exploitation etc. Utopia will dawn for all peoples.
    Nevertheless, the term White Supremacist will be applied to him and to other WN's until the sun goes nova because it is a slur.

    The distinction you make, by the way, offers little comfort to the millions of Americans whom Richard Spencer does not consider “White,” or to Whites who count non-White citizens among their friends and family, or even to White citizens who feel duty and loyalty to their fellow citizens, be those citizens White or non-White.

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    #84 Opinionator: Show us on the doll where Richard Spencer touched you.

    I don't have a particularly high opinion of the guy, but my God, get a life!!!
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  85. @Anonymous IV
    Well, I have to give Cornel West credit for at least not being snookered by the hagiography surrounding Obama. Clearly West is of the Chris Hedges "I'm so far to the left that no Democratic politician will escape my wrath" school. But then West's list of Coates' sins is the all-too-typical lefty canon: LGBT, the occupation of Palestinian territory, Wall Street, etc. Coates is dazzled by Obama's public image, and I think the best part of West's critique is the part about Coates openly hoping that white America might love him the same way it loves Obama.

    West is himself open to the critique of being something of a sellout--quite happy to take on professorships and whatnot. I suppose West's reply would be that he, unlike TNC, continues to complain about Wall Street and wars and links Obama with this neoliberal state of affairs. He is probably right that Obama is the first black head of the neoliberal state rather than a true black radical in the mold of West's hero Malcolm X. Despite all the "Obama is a Marxist!" stuff I've read over the years, I do think there is quite a bit of truth in this charge. The problem is that when it came to culture-war stuff, Obama was doubly committed, perhaps as compensation. (I think Hillary would have used this same strategy had she won.)

    Anyway, back to Coates. I suspect the white liberal New Yorker-types will mostly circle around TNC as opposed to West. Most of them like the whole gauzy Obama "Lightworker" shtick that Coates buys into. It's a weird dynamic here because Coates has indeed become very pessimistic, so much so that there is little room for hope in his view (something West takes him to task for), but at the same time West's vision is in its way even more "in your face" and I suspect unpalatable for lots of white liberals. You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.

    You have to walk a fine line to stoke white liberal self-hatred without being off-putting.

    Not really.

    You just have to recognize that it’s other whites, not themselves, that they love to hate. Then it’s no holds barred.

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  86. @Arclight
    Coates has always been thin-skinned. Back when he allowed comments on his pieces in the Atlantic, he would regularly get into the weeds arguing with commenters and more often than not was bailed out by his sycophantic followers ('The Horde') who would assure him of his genius while others pointed out he hadn't made the point he thought he had.

    Anyway, very entertaining overall. West is nearly unreadable, and just like his opposition to Obama for not being sufficiently progressive, this is all about West keeping up his profile, nothing else. TNC could have simply said that and a lot of people would have agreed with him, but he's so accustomed to being hailed as a genius he can't hack it when taunted by an attention-seeking alpha. Story of his life, I guess.

    I will say that if he stays off Twitter I would have to give some grudging respect for that, though - walking away from the ability to influence 1.5 million followers can't be easy for a guy in his position.

    if he stays off Twitter I would have to give some grudging respect for that, though

    What, stick the flounce? No SJW ever has, or ever will.
    Flouncey flouncey back in a jiffy now you’ve all learned your lesson is my prognostication. If he’s true to type, it’ll be vague threats of self-harm next. Also to remain disappointingly unfulfilled.

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  87. Tennessee Tuxedo Will Not Fail!

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  88. @Neoconned
    As I've said here before but some may have forgotten....I lean Democrat. I supported Obama in both elections and Bernie in the last one.

    I like "Brother Cornel" and agree 150% on this.

    The main thing that REALLY disillusioned me with Obama was his foot dragging on ending the wars, bringing the troops home and neutering the neocons and the Deep State.

    That and having been raised a Baptist I was never a big social issue guy or big promoter of gay marriage.

    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it's an unimportant wedge issue.

    All Obama and Hillary's ppl did was say whites bad gays/minorities good.

    No talk on how Romneycare and Obamacare were/are the same thing. No talk on the wars, unions, corporatism, Deep State nonsense, even hiking taxes or a new Keynesian new deal.

    Just sex and race....sex sex sex sex sex.

    Gays this trans that.

    Ok I said, fuck it. At least Trump talks like a populist. Hillary does nothing. I stayed home....

    Maybe it'll take eight years of Trump to get the message and debate off identity politics..m.

    What about immigration and our borders?

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    Like Barbara Jordan before me, I support closing the borders and reducing immigration and adopting an immigration system similar to what they have in Australia...m
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  89. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    To quote Isaiah Berlin "There is a line among the fragments of the Greek poet Archilochus which says: 'The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing'."

    As I understand it, Brother Cornel is criticizing Brother Ta for being a hedgehog and not a fox. Brother Cornel is, of course, signaling that he himself is a fox, a superior form of intellectual.

    Or maybe he's just jealous of the younger man, who didn't pay his dues unlike West, who worked his way up the academic ladder.

    Bro’ Coates didn’t need to pay his dues. After all, officially designated MacArthur Fellowship geniuses genuflect to nobody. “We pays no dooz” as Ta might say out of earshot and away from the mike.

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  90. Anon87 says:
    @Clyde
    Twitter deleted AmRen, VDare and other alt right accounts while Ta Ta Coats deleted his in solidarity. </sarc>

    Vdare is still on Twiter (for now). I haven’t noticed the purge that I expected from the hype.

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    Vdare thought for sure The Twits were going to purge them. Perhaps Twitter's alt-right purge will be more gradual. Then there is less banding together to resist.
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  91. JohnnyD says:

    Something tells me that West is jealous that SWPL’s no longer care about him…

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    Yep. He's the Grand Old Man of Race-'Ritin', but no longer the enfant terrible.
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  92. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    Somewhat OT: bit of an amusing dust-up today between the various Fredocons (Charles C. W. Cooke, David French, even Jonah Goldberg) at NR, and ((Fellow Conservatives))) Jennifer Rubin and David Frum (who leapt to Rubin's defense) over the latters' perpetual, deranged garment-rending over Trump, which comes across as over-the-top and irrational to the former. It's amusing to see so many words expended by people who can't say (or who aren't self-aware enough to say) what they really mean.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454701/jennifer-rubin-trump-obsession-mindless-opponent
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/conservatism-is-what-conservatives-think-say-and-do/548738/
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454779/david-frum-proves-my-point

    It appears the two sides are differing on this: Is it good for the Jews to appease the Muslims, or is it better to actively oppose them? So the Churchill and Neville Chamberlain wings of the Jews are fighting it out.

    One interesting thing the Chamberlain wing doesn’t seem to understand is that the new alignment between Netanyahu and Mohammad bin Salman may upset everything for them. Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu couldn’t care less about the Muslims, and MBS appears to view religious Muslims as part of his opposition. MBS seems to think they’re standing in the way of his making money and modernizing Saudi Arabia, and I doubt he has a religious bone in his body. Every time some Muslim extremist sets off a bomb, they injure a potential marketplace. MBS won’t stand for this happening in his projected ‘Dubai on the Red Sea’ when it gets built. I predict the start of a purge against extremists in SA before long. Every modernization means the religious fanatics will be gunning for MBS, and they will make themselves his enemies even if they weren’t in the first place.

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  93. istevefan says:
    @Berty
    I've always found West to be interesting to listen to. His manner of speech, the way he forms his sentences, and just his overall charisma really appeals to the ears. Plus it's refreshing to see a black man who hasn't been bought off by (((progressives))).

    TNC is just a boring dullard who says the same shit every time he talks.

    I agree. His mannerisms and that weird neck gaiter he wears make him interesting to watch.

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  94. Olorin says:
    @Meretricious
    West hasn't taught at Harvard for years--he's basically retired and has an emeritus gig at Princeton

    My dear Meretricious, are you not aware that once you’ve taught even as a teaching assistant at Harvard, you get to dine out on it for the rest of your life?

    Plus for most people, any type of contract teaching in Higher EdBiz = “professor.” This is especially common in mainstream-right-wing-media propaganda about people like Eric Clanton. Additionally, shabby/fifth-tier Ed Biz outposts hire people with grad degrees as “adjunct professors.” They come cheap, and the title helps them spackle over the embarrassments in their CVs…while sustaining the illusion of degrees = jobs that might bring in new tuition-payers who have no vocational aptitudes outside the Ed Biz.

    The Ivy League was turned into a brand around the time Reagan’s voodoo economists were pushing the Happy Bankster Global Casino and Speculation Investment Club (now with 50,000% bigger gift shop) model on everything in creation.

    So we can expect wingnuts and dicksmacks of all ilk to try to enhance their own individual brand with such referents.

    Having said all that, my recollection is that West had a religion and African studies professorship created for him at Princeton in the ’90s. He lasted about five years then went to Harvard for some position created for him to similarly black up the Hahvahd brand. But he got into a tiff with Larry Summers, son of two Jewish Penn profs. So left. I should probably check my facts on that, but to hell with it, he’s not worth the bother.

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  95. Art Deco says:

    What Henry Kissinger said: “too bad they both can’t lose”. These two men are dissimilar in many respects, but they have one thing in common: they’ve received philanthropic sector patronage that gave them benefits with one hand while it distorted the trajectory of their life and (I’m wagering) left them with unassuageable and disfiguring dissatisfactions.

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  96. Art Deco says:
    @Yan Shen
    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    I can taste Teh Crazy. The two produce written words for a living on onstensibly serious subjects. Otherwise they resemble each other hardly at all.

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  97. Art Deco says:
    @Yan Shen
    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    Fella, he spends his time that way as a means of occupying his mind in lieu of contemplating reality. The reality is that the quality of life in his native Baltimore is distorted and disfigured by (black) hoodlums, not by pushy (white) women in elevators.

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  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    In a way, West gave the game away. West is scum but has enough sense to realize that ‘white supremacy’ is a diversionary tactic used by the Real Power in America that dominates Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Pentagon, etc.

    And Richard Spencer plays right into such a tactic (to the extent that what you write is true). In a way, Spencer is a bigger dupe than Coates is.

    Richard Spencer is a an agent provocateur who is paid for pulling off little stunts to make the anti-establishment Right look like the racist redneck illiterates (and preferably, violent felons) of NYT mythology.

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    Richard Spencer is a an agent provocateur who is paid for pulling off little stunts to make the anti-establishment Right look like the racist redneck illiterates (and preferably, violent felons) of NYT mythology.

    No, you're the agent provoc spreading falsehoods about Spencer.

    Take Charlottesville. Unite the Right, agree with them or not, did everything right. They filed all the papers, followed all the procedures, and came to give speeches. They acted civil and orderly.

    It was the Establishment that conspired with Antifa and the Media to spin the narrative into 'nazis cause violence and kill innocent woman with car'. Even cuck GOP was piling on the Unite the Right and hailing Antifa.

    Where Spencer is misguided is he got too excited about his own celebrity. Because the media treated him semi-fairly in the beginning, he seems to think he can get any kind of fair hearing. It is here that he contradicts himself. He's often said it the POWER that decides the game regardless of so-called Rule of Law.
    So, he should not expect any kind of fairness from the Power.
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  99. 3g4me says:
    @Opinionator
    The distinction you make, by the way, offers little comfort to the millions of Americans whom Richard Spencer does not consider "White," or to Whites who count non-White citizens among their friends and family, or even to White citizens who feel duty and loyalty to their fellow citizens, be those citizens White or non-White.

    #84 Opinionator: Show us on the doll where Richard Spencer touched you.

    I don’t have a particularly high opinion of the guy, but my God, get a life!!!

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  100. Clyde says:
    @Anon87
    Vdare is still on Twiter (for now). I haven't noticed the purge that I expected from the hype.

    Vdare thought for sure The Twits were going to purge them. Perhaps Twitter’s alt-right purge will be more gradual. Then there is less banding together to resist.

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  101. Olorin says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Or perhaps Cornel West is reliving his own past, more than a decade ago, when Larry Summers, then President of Harvard University, called into question the worth of Cornel West's own work. Cornel West was then what Ta-Nehisi Coates is now—America's Premier Black Intellectual™.

    To quote the Economist magazine from that time


    According to the Boston Globe, last October Mr Summers rebuked Cornel West, who holds one of Harvard's coveted university professorships. Mr West's alleged sins included recording a rap CD, leading a political committee for Al Sharpton's possible presidential campaign, writing books more likely to be reviewed in The New York Times than in academic journals and allowing grade inflation.

    Since then the incident has spiralled into a full-blown academic tempest. The insulted Mr West is considering a rival offer from Princeton, his former employer. Henry Louis Gates, the department head, and Kwame Anthony Appiah, a philosopher, are thinking of going with him. Mr West has also announced that he intends to take a leave of absence.

    It will get worse. Jesse Jackson, that well-known crusader for academic standards, has arranged a meeting with Mr Summers. “The tension at Harvard is having an impact across the country,” says Mr Jackson, whose last venture into politics was to try to broker a deal with the Taliban. Mr Sharpton also wants to meet Mr Summers. He is considering filing a lawsuit against Harvard as “an aggrieved party”.

    If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.

    His rap album (sample lyric: “No other people in the modern world have had such unprecedented levels of unregulated violence against them”) indicates that the medium is best left to the likes of Snoop Doggy Dogg rather than Harvard professors. His website is shot through with embarrassing boasts and grammatical errors. The section devoted to the rap album begins by stating that “In all modesty, this project constitutes a watershed moment in musical history” (what on earth would the immodest version be?). It describes Mr West as “one of the most preeminent minds of our time” and refers to somebody called “Nietzche”.


     

    http://www.economist.com/node/923104

    Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.

    My recollection at the time is that Cornel wasn’t hired to be a professor/academic, he was hired to be a professional Black Faculty Guy.

    Racial performance art.

    First at Princeton then at Harvard–in the religion faculty of each, iirc. In the ’80s and ’90s the Ivy League had to black up their brands to keep in step both with the maturing of the “civil” “rights” scheme of the 1960s and with the ascendant 1980s globalist culture that was looking to the Third World for its future massive profit schemes.

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  102. Olorin says:
    @Steve from Detroit
    "It’s amusing to see so many words expended by people who can’t say (or who aren’t self-aware enough to say) what they really mean."

    That is a simple, truthful and profound statement. It is a statement that I think applies to so much of the noise we hear from the media, and yet it also serves as an explanation as to why most people don't understand what they're being fed. The average person has no idea how the information they receive has been manipulated, mangled and distorted, and it how it adversely affects their ability to think clearly.

    how it adversely affects their ability to think clearly.

    By design, sir, in every “research division”–in-house or contracted–of every media outlet in creation.

    If “the average person” had any clue about the extent, depth, totality, and depravity of their status as rats in behaviorist cages, they’d take up pitchforks, torches, and ARs against those who put and keep them there for their own power and profit.

    This is the top red pill I have used for the past 20 years in my own circles. Media content isn’t the product, “the average person” is the product. The point isn’t to understand but to polarize, to preach, to establish categories, to push people toward alignment with one or the other, and to keep them confused and dependent and addicted to the information flow.

    The problem is, most of “average persons” aren’t hardwired to go at this critique rationally, factually, or with data. (For instance, deconstructing media narratives on Complicated Topic X.) Meme war presents some opportunities to conduct this asymmetrical info warfare…and seems to have gained some ground in recent years.

    But we’re going to have to crack the now-widespread sense of news men and media figures and pundits being the holy ones pronouncing from on high and knowing more than the rest of us because they can confuse audience members with talmudic disputation and commentary that circles truth like a cloud of gnats but manages never to land on it.

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  103. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Richard Spencer is a an agent provocateur who is paid for pulling off little stunts to make the anti-establishment Right look like the racist redneck illiterates (and preferably, violent felons) of NYT mythology.

    Richard Spencer is a an agent provocateur who is paid for pulling off little stunts to make the anti-establishment Right look like the racist redneck illiterates (and preferably, violent felons) of NYT mythology.

    No, you’re the agent provoc spreading falsehoods about Spencer.

    Take Charlottesville. Unite the Right, agree with them or not, did everything right. They filed all the papers, followed all the procedures, and came to give speeches. They acted civil and orderly.

    It was the Establishment that conspired with Antifa and the Media to spin the narrative into ‘nazis cause violence and kill innocent woman with car’. Even cuck GOP was piling on the Unite the Right and hailing Antifa.

    Where Spencer is misguided is he got too excited about his own celebrity. Because the media treated him semi-fairly in the beginning, he seems to think he can get any kind of fair hearing. It is here that he contradicts himself. He’s often said it the POWER that decides the game regardless of so-called Rule of Law.
    So, he should not expect any kind of fairness from the Power.

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  104. “Fight! Fight! It’s a…”

    Oh never mind.

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  105. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer seems like someone who’s completely divorced from reality. Coates’ biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    Richard Spencer, I'd agree, is divorced from reality and is unproductive. Is Coates unproductive? Depends on what you are measuring. He seems to have been quite effective at generating anti-White animus and spreading anti-White narratives. (By those measures, I suppose Richard Spencer has been productive as well.)

    Richard Spencer, I’d agree, is divorced from reality and is unproductive.

    It’s hard to be ‘productive’ when you are denied all sorts of services and attacked from all sides. Even trying to speak at colleges require so much effort. Paypay and Patreon banned him. RADIX has been taken down. Ronald Reagan Building, though a public facility, denied him space.

    It’s an uphill climb. If the media and establishment played it neutral and let everyone play by the same rules, Spencer would have done so much more.

    He has deficiencies and delusions that are foolish. And he got involved in too many internecine battles when it was way too early.

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  106. @JohnnyD
    Something tells me that West is jealous that SWPL's no longer care about him...

    Yep. He’s the Grand Old Man of Race-’Ritin’, but no longer the enfant terrible.

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  107. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    As I've said here before but some may have forgotten....I lean Democrat. I supported Obama in both elections and Bernie in the last one.

    I like "Brother Cornel" and agree 150% on this.

    The main thing that REALLY disillusioned me with Obama was his foot dragging on ending the wars, bringing the troops home and neutering the neocons and the Deep State.

    That and having been raised a Baptist I was never a big social issue guy or big promoter of gay marriage.

    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it's an unimportant wedge issue.

    All Obama and Hillary's ppl did was say whites bad gays/minorities good.

    No talk on how Romneycare and Obamacare were/are the same thing. No talk on the wars, unions, corporatism, Deep State nonsense, even hiking taxes or a new Keynesian new deal.

    Just sex and race....sex sex sex sex sex.

    Gays this trans that.

    Ok I said, fuck it. At least Trump talks like a populist. Hillary does nothing. I stayed home....

    Maybe it'll take eight years of Trump to get the message and debate off identity politics..m.

    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it’s an unimportant wedge issue.

    What a pathetic cucky-wuck goo-goo boy.

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    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors....
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  108. @Felix Fischer
    Cornel West's guardian piece was honestly hard to read. The article was mostly just a mix of buzzwords like "Empire", "Neoliberalism"; his shtick is much better spoken than written. You can say many things about the man, but you at least have to give him credit for being a great performer. I'm not exactly sure what you call the outfit he wears, but he looks good in it. Also, my mom said she saw him driving a purple cadillac convertible around Harvard square in the 90s.

    West’s schtick is to maintain the crazy eyes and wild Afro. He also knows that white liberals piss themselves whenever he calls them “brother” (e.g. “brother rabbi Lerner”). Ta-Nehisi’s brand of get whitey leaves israel out of it. Not sure if Coates understands this or is just ignorant of the invisible strings that pull his pen.

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  109. Hunsdon says:
    @Yan Shen
    I don't think there's an equivalency between Ta Nehisi Coates and Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer seems like someone who's completely divorced from reality. Coates' biggest crime is that he spends most of his time unproductively complaining about white people.

    A much better point of comparison would be to John Derbyshire, who as multiple people have now noted seems to have assumed the mantle of being the white Ta Nehisi Coates.

    “As Yan Shen has noted, multiple times.”

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  110. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    To quote Isaiah Berlin "There is a line among the fragments of the Greek poet Archilochus which says: 'The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing'."

    As I understand it, Brother Cornel is criticizing Brother Ta for being a hedgehog and not a fox. Brother Cornel is, of course, signaling that he himself is a fox, a superior form of intellectual.

    Or maybe he's just jealous of the younger man, who didn't pay his dues unlike West, who worked his way up the academic ladder.

    Berlin is another con man who got endless mileage out of an essay with an empty, hollow one liner, many people insist in calling profound. Even Berlin himself Admitted surprise at the sucess of that little verbal sleight of hand.

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    Even Berlin himself Admitted surprise at the sucess (sic) of that little verbal sleight of hand.
     
    Citations please, because to impugn such an obviously accurate adage requires more than just your ability to pop your head out of the fever swamps long enough to type out your post.
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  111. @Anon
    Berlin is another con man who got endless mileage out of an essay with an empty, hollow one liner, many people insist in calling profound. Even Berlin himself Admitted surprise at the sucess of that little verbal sleight of hand.

    Even Berlin himself Admitted surprise at the sucess (sic) of that little verbal sleight of hand.

    Citations please, because to impugn such an obviously accurate adage requires more than just your ability to pop your head out of the fever swamps long enough to type out your post.

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  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @flyingtiger
    Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, No one asks the about what the Great Kat has to say about any issues. She is the queen of hyperspeed metal and the great genius of our time. I think we are missing out on something.

    Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, No one asks the about what the Great Kat has to say about any issues. She is the queen of hyperspeed metal and the great genius of our time. I think we are missing out on something.

    There’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. Her kayfabe has gotten old and tired, and I figured she went back to teaching violin in a private school somewhere. She lacks the charm of even such metal spoofmeisters as Steel Panther.

    She is fairly impressive as a technical guitar player, although shredding isn’t as challenging as it looks. Playing jazz changes with challenging chord inversions requiring finger stretches comping in a live environment is probably the big guitar challenge, along with a few classical guitar pieces that are genuinely hard to play well (most classical guitar is also not as tough as it looks once broken down by formal study, but it is not obvious and very few can figure it out by themselves, formal training is a near necessity).

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  113. @PhysicistDave
    I disagree with Cornel West on just about everything. But, over the last few years, I have been coming to the conclusion that he may indeed be a decent human being.

    I met West almost 20 years ago at the infamous hip hop summit:

    http://hiphopandpolitics.com/2013/11/06/hip-hop-history-remembering-historic-2001-hip-hop-summit-farrakhans-incredible-speech/

    He does seem a decent sort–even if his rhetorical style is maddeningly elliptical.

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  114. I deleted my Twitter account about a week before Tennessee Coates did. Where’s my half million dollars genius money?

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  115. Neoconned says:
    @Opinionator
    What about immigration and our borders?

    Like Barbara Jordan before me, I support closing the borders and reducing immigration and adopting an immigration system similar to what they have in Australia…m

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  116. Neoconned says:
    @Anon
    I support gay marriage and rights to a point but it’s an unimportant wedge issue.

    What a pathetic cucky-wuck goo-goo boy.

    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors….

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    , @Anon
    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors….

    We are NOT talking of what homos do behind closed doors. If homos wanna bung each other in private, that is their business.

    Marriage and wedding are not matters that happen behind closed doors. They are public, legal, and official affairs. They involve the state and institutions. When a nation has 'gay marriage', it means we all officially and publicly support the notion that homosexuality has equal value as real sexuality.
    Also, if homo marriage is made legal, it means homo 'couples' can adopt kids and raise them in a house where two 'daddies' bung one another.

    Homos have not only come out of the closet but come into the streets, taking over entire public areas with full state support, celebrating fecal penetration as a great virtue with rainbow colors. In big cities, if politicians don't show up at the homo 'pride' parade, they are attacked and toast.

    It's like this. If bro and sis wanna do incest behind closed doors, it's their business. But if the incest lobby push the notion of incestophobia and enact 'incest marriage', they've made it a legal and public affair where ALL OF US must recognize it as morally valid.

    Where have you been? You must surely know that vain homos are trying to push their sickness as something to be celebrated by everyone from cradle. Closed doors? I wish homos just kept their stuff to themselves. Now, they are destroying anyone who dares to express disapproval of the homo lifestyle.

    If YOU are what passes for a Baptist these days, Baptism no longer has any value.
    Another thing. A Christian(which I'm not btw) must care what happens behind closed doors too. Why? Because Christians believe in God for whom nothing is private. As Jesus said, a man who indulges in the fantasy of adultery is also guilty. God watches everything at all times. It's like Cain couldn't hide what his murder of Abel.
    So, if you're a Christian, then you believe in sin. In Christianity, bunging is a gross sin. So, homos are acting wicked even if they do it in secret.

    But the big problem is homos are now declaring how great bunging is and even making women indulge in it, which is why anal cancer has skyrocketed among millennials. These millens weren't properly told of the dangers of bunging lest it upset the homo lobby.
    Now, women are told to 'peg' their men. So, we the bunghole apocalypse.

    You are a spineless 'christian'. A cucktian. Pitiful.

    https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/9am5a7/why-has-rectal-cancer-quadrupled-in-millennials

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/02/28/colorectal-cancer-rates-rising-sharply-among-gen-x-and-millennials/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/28/colon-rectal-cancers-millennials-generation-x/98483844/
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  117. SMK says: • Website
    @Thomas

    It started on Sunday, when Mr. West published an article in The Guardian calling Mr. Coates “the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle,” and accusing him of “fetishizing white supremacy” while ignoring “Wall Street greed, U.S. imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” …
     
    Bitch slap! Did Brother Cornell just call T. Genius a lawn jockey?

    “White supremacy,” “white privilege,” “institutional racism,” “systemic racism,” “endemic racism,” ad nauseum. This explains why these buffoons, mountebanks, and pseudo-intellectuals are rich and famous and powerful. In a sane country, this would be no more news-worthy than a silly quarrel between two paranoid schizophrenics in an insane asylum.

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  118. @Neoconned
    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors....

    Good for you. Too many crusty conservatives around here.

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  119. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors....

    Forgive me for not giving a crap what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors….

    We are NOT talking of what homos do behind closed doors. If homos wanna bung each other in private, that is their business.

    Marriage and wedding are not matters that happen behind closed doors. They are public, legal, and official affairs. They involve the state and institutions. When a nation has ‘gay marriage’, it means we all officially and publicly support the notion that homosexuality has equal value as real sexuality.
    Also, if homo marriage is made legal, it means homo ‘couples’ can adopt kids and raise them in a house where two ‘daddies’ bung one another.

    Homos have not only come out of the closet but come into the streets, taking over entire public areas with full state support, celebrating fecal penetration as a great virtue with rainbow colors. In big cities, if politicians don’t show up at the homo ‘pride’ parade, they are attacked and toast.

    It’s like this. If bro and sis wanna do incest behind closed doors, it’s their business. But if the incest lobby push the notion of incestophobia and enact ‘incest marriage’, they’ve made it a legal and public affair where ALL OF US must recognize it as morally valid.

    Where have you been? You must surely know that vain homos are trying to push their sickness as something to be celebrated by everyone from cradle. Closed doors? I wish homos just kept their stuff to themselves. Now, they are destroying anyone who dares to express disapproval of the homo lifestyle.

    If YOU are what passes for a Baptist these days, Baptism no longer has any value.
    Another thing. A Christian(which I’m not btw) must care what happens behind closed doors too. Why? Because Christians believe in God for whom nothing is private. As Jesus said, a man who indulges in the fantasy of adultery is also guilty. God watches everything at all times. It’s like Cain couldn’t hide what his murder of Abel.
    So, if you’re a Christian, then you believe in sin. In Christianity, bunging is a gross sin. So, homos are acting wicked even if they do it in secret.

    But the big problem is homos are now declaring how great bunging is and even making women indulge in it, which is why anal cancer has skyrocketed among millennials. These millens weren’t properly told of the dangers of bunging lest it upset the homo lobby.
    Now, women are told to ‘peg’ their men. So, we the bunghole apocalypse.

    You are a spineless ‘christian’. A cucktian. Pitiful.

    https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/9am5a7/why-has-rectal-cancer-quadrupled-in-millennials

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/02/28/colorectal-cancer-rates-rising-sharply-among-gen-x-and-millennials/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/28/colon-rectal-cancers-millennials-generation-x/98483844/

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  120. wrd9 says:
    @Olorin

    Nobody denies that Mr West is talented. But is his work any good? He is the author of more than a dozen books, some of them serious contributions to his field. But lately he seems closer to becoming a performance artist—and a poor one at that.
     
    My recollection at the time is that Cornel wasn't hired to be a professor/academic, he was hired to be a professional Black Faculty Guy.

    Racial performance art.

    First at Princeton then at Harvard--in the religion faculty of each, iirc. In the '80s and '90s the Ivy League had to black up their brands to keep in step both with the maturing of the "civil" "rights" scheme of the 1960s and with the ascendant 1980s globalist culture that was looking to the Third World for its future massive profit schemes.

    West was more like Mediocre Affirmative Action Ivy League Professor Guy. He and the others set the precedence of low academic standards which Summers pointed out to his own eventual downfall.

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  121. Coates is a con-man, West is a con-man. You need each other.

    You can’t con a con-man. The problem is, Coates, with his Genius Award and countless other accolades, doesn’t realise he’s a con-man. He thinks he’s the real thing.

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