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Last September, the government of Hungary was widely condemned as “un-European” for attempting to defend the European Union’s external border against intruders from other continents. This winter, Sweden, which, along with Germany, had been causing the mass migration that Hungary had attempted to defend the European Union against, has imposed border controls for the first time in half a century with … Denmark.

From The Guardian:

Sweden to impose ID checks on travellers from Denmark

In a move to stem the flow of refugees, valid photo ID will be required for people travelling from Denmark for first time since 1950s

David Crouch in Copenhagen

Sweden is set to drastically reduce the flow of refugees into the country by imposing strict identity checks on all travellers from Denmark, as Scandinavian countries compete with each other to shed their reputations as havens for asylum seekers.

For the first time since the 50s, from midnight on Sunday travellers by train, bus or boat will need to present a valid photo ID, such as a passport, to enter Sweden from its southern neighbour, with penalties for travel operators who fail to impose checks. Passengers who fail to present a satisfactory document will be turned back.

“The government now considers that the current situation, with a large number of people entering the country in a relatively short time, poses a serious threat to public order and national security,” the government said in a statement accompanying legislation enabling the border controls to take place.

The move marks a turning point for the Swedish ruling coalition of Social Democrats and Greens, which earlier presented itself as a beacon to people fleeing conflict and terror in Asia and the Middle East.

“My Europe takes in people fleeing from war, my Europe does not build walls,” Swedish prime minister Stefan Löfven told crowds in Stockholm on 6 September. But three months and about 80,000 asylum seekers later, the migration minister told parliament: “The system cannot cope.”

Almost 163,000 people applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest in Europe as a proportion of the population. In the autumn, applications were running at 10,000 weekly. But Stockholm has made clear it wants to slash the flow to around 1,000 a week in 2016.

Temporary border controls were first revealed in November, but the current legislation is valid for three years. Announcing the U-turn in refugee policy, the deputy prime minister burst into tears.

This fiasco brings to mind that modern European leaders and intellectuals seem logically woozy on the fundamental tradeoff issue of geographical liberty and security, which is that you have to put border controls somewhere. You can make the secure area bigger or smaller, but in an era of easy travel and smartphones, you have to make a choice to put it somewhere. Prime Minister Orban of Hungary suggested that the logical place was the external border of the E.U. in order to maintain freedom of movement within the E.U., but he was shouted down as some kind of neo-Nazi who was betraying Europe by trying to keep a million Muslim mob of non-Europeans out.

But consider personal safety. I have good locks on the doors of my house, so I don’t need to lock the doors of my individual rooms, the way I would have if I couldn’t secure my front door, or if members of my family found it fashionable to invite drifters in to spend the night with us.

If I lived in a gated community, I wouldn’t need to lock my front door at all, but I don’t, so I do.

In other words, I can have liberty of movement at some geographic scales, as long as I have security at some other level.

Translating that into European geopolitics, the European Union has long sponsored ease of movement between member states such as Sweden and Denmark. In fact, Swedes and Danes have been welcome to visit each other’s countries without border checks for three score years, long before the E.U. But now Scandinavians are finding out why they can’t have nice things anymore: lack of continental perimeter defense.

The Schengen agreement has been widely seen as making daily life more convenient in the E.U. just like not having to lock and unlock each internal door in your family home is more convenient than living in a flophouse where you can’t trust the other tenants to not riffle through your stuff when it’s unlocked.

But this amenity implies an external security perimeter around the European Union, as Hungary attempted to improvise last September, to rancorous condemnations from Sweden and Germany for being “un-European.” But now, because Sweden and Germany intentionally subverted the E.U.’s external border, Swedes must give up their luxury of not having border controls with Denmark. That’s why Swedes can’t have anymore the nice thing of no waiting in line when going to Denmark.

The logic of this inevitable tradeoff doesn’t seem like it ought to be terribly confusing, but for a few crazed weeks in September, few powerful people in Europe besides the Hungarian Prime Minister seem to grasp it.

 
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  1. That’s not the same thing at all. Hungary had premature border controls.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hungary had proactive measures to keep the insurgents out. Then they bolstered them.
  2. I do not think that anybody who looks at least a little bit African or Westasian will actually sent back. Yes, maybe an old white grandma who forgot her passport at home, maybe with those the heroic Viking border guards will show no mercy.
    But there is no way any Scandinavian officer today ever says no to a 25 year old male Nigerian or Arabian guy, let alone physically keep him off entering the northern welfare paradise.
    Much likely it is a cynical trick the antiracist government plays on the swedish people. Like the nasty joke the Merkel administration made a few weeks ago in Germany: from one day to another there were border controls with thousands of federal police officers sent to the southern german border. All that to greet the incomers there with a heartily: refugees welcome. Not a single person was actually stopped at the border

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    First information from the border is that this is exactly what's happening. Obvious Swedes without ID are denied boarding and some other travellers are allowed to board the trains with their non-EU ID.

    Btw,
    what's really sad here is that Sweden had open borders with Denmark(but with existing Customs) long before the EU. There hasn't been border checks for 60 years so this is a huge step backwards.
  3. I’ve heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they’d be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I’m guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don’t understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    "A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees"

    Even here we can't escape the "I'm one of the nice ones" syndrome. Explain some things to me please:

    1. What exactly is a "well thought out plan"? To me, a well thought out plan is one that keeps anyone that I don't specifically invite into my country . . . out of my country. How does a well thought out plan keep my people genetically homogeneous if even one refugee is not of my race/ethnicity?

    2. Can a well thought out plan guarantee that the refugees and their children and their grandchildren won't commit crimes at a higher rate than the natives? Can such a plan guarantee that said refugees and their offspring won't go on killing sprees?

    3. By bringing in any number of refugees, you establish ethnic communities that will draw additional refugees from that same ethnic group. In essence, every refugee increase the ethnic gravitational pull toward your country. Why would you want to do that to your own people?

    4. Define "some." Does the family that these refugees will bring into the country count in that "some"? Do the many children and grandchildren of these refugees count in that "some"? What about 100 years from now, 200 years?

    5. Why is it my people's responsibility to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why can't their own people (Muslims) do some real good for them? Why do I have to permanently change my country's demographics and culture to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why do I have to lessen the impact of my vote to "do some reall good for the refugees"?

    6. Why do these refugees get priority over the millions (billions?) of people who at any give moment are in physical danger or can rightly claim to be economic refugees? Why do these 500, 5,000, 50,000, etc. people get the Golden Ticket while tens of millions of others get the shaft?

    I could go on, but you get the idea. Start thinking like a man who's been around the block a couple of times and not a 9-year-old girl. Comments such as your's may get platitudes in the HR meeting, but around here, people recognize them as the shallow Stage One thinking that they are.
    , @Anonymous

    "I don’t understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis."
     
    A good question to have, is how the levers of power operate at such astonishingly "dumber" levels than those which operate in the domains of technology and science.
    Politics is the "science of dumbness". ---That is to say, the process of arriving at the final dumb result contains a complex chain of events, which in and of itself is not "dumb", but rather, it is complex. Maybe the "the complexity of dumbness" would be a better description.

    The question is, how do we deal with this dumbness? Because its really not right, left or center anymore, it's just the the convenient (in)action caused by an ideology that came to be evolutionarily selected for. Of course, pages have been spent in "alt-right" (whatever!) journals to analyze this, but I think we need to start thinking at the more practical level.
    There is some sort of "cog" in the gears of advanced societies towards getting good outcomes, while those at the top possibly know that they are doing the wrong thing, but feel evolutionarily obliged to continue the "convieniently dumb" policies.
    This piece is a perfect illustration. People understand how their houses work, why can't they see the larger macro-illustration in nations?

    Sometimes I just want to flee to science and technology reporting, there is so much good, logical progress in the world of intelligence....
    , @Richard of Melbourne
    Please don't use the term "refugees" for these people. A recent survey of the Calais jungle by the Human Relief Foundation - a pro-refugee NGO - found that only a tiny minority of the people there were refugees in the proper sense of the word - persons fleeing persecution. That is almost certainly the case for all the other hordes who swarmed across Europe in 2015 as well.

    Instead of "refugee", I respectfully suggest the following alternatives: illegal infiltrator (courtesy of Israel), alien scrounger (from the late George MacDonald Fraser) or the tried-and-true illegal immigrant.

    Still, in the current context, one can't top Steve's formulation Merkel Youth (or, as I prefer to put it, Merkeljugend).
    , @Lugash
    How do you say "Something's rotten in Denmark?" in Swedish?
    , @AnAnon
    They are irrationally overconfident sociopaths, and the goal self evidently wasn't to "do good".
    , @Mr. Anon
    A well thought out plan would been to have told the Saudis and the Gulf Sheiks that the refugees are their co-religionists and therefore their problem. Muslims are always saying that they are all brothers, so let Oman and Qatar prove it. The Emir of Qatar can divert some of that quarter trillion dollars he intends to spend on hosting the world cup to hosting the syrian refugees instead.
  4. the European Union has long sponsored ease of movement between member states such as Sweden and Denmark

    Not disagreeing with the wider point, but the Nordic countries have had a common labor market and free movement across borders since the 1950s. See here.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    My wife and I traveled to Norway and Sweden last year. We stayed with different sides of my family in Sweden. One pro-immigration (Stockholm) and one anti- (Gothenburg). Facebook friends now. The pro- double down on their pro-immigration posts whenever there is something negative (Paris) in the news. The anti- stay pretty quiet. Stockholm and Oslo’s train stations had many Gypsies begging outside of the station. They’re fucked…

  6. Maybe they will shut the barn door before all of the horses are out.

  7. “If I lived in a gated community, I wouldn’t need to lock my front door at all, but I don’t, so I do.”

    Not long ago, America itself was that kind of community.

    When I was growing up in a medium-sized city, everyone in our neighborhood knew everyone else and nobody locked their doors at night. Of course, that was before Diversity and Section 8 Bombs and tax-subsidized immigration from every country-sized toilet bowl on the planet.

  8. “Stockholm has made clear it wants to slash the flow to around 1,000 a week in 2016.”

    What difference is there between drowning by a tsunami or drowning by a lower volume, yet steady flow? One thousand per week amounts to 4,000 per month, which amounts to 52,000 per year, plus the usual additional multiples of tens of thousands due to “family reunification.” Who in Sweden is fooling whom?

  9. @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    “A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees”

    Even here we can’t escape the “I’m one of the nice ones” syndrome. Explain some things to me please:

    1. What exactly is a “well thought out plan”? To me, a well thought out plan is one that keeps anyone that I don’t specifically invite into my country . . . out of my country. How does a well thought out plan keep my people genetically homogeneous if even one refugee is not of my race/ethnicity?

    2. Can a well thought out plan guarantee that the refugees and their children and their grandchildren won’t commit crimes at a higher rate than the natives? Can such a plan guarantee that said refugees and their offspring won’t go on killing sprees?

    3. By bringing in any number of refugees, you establish ethnic communities that will draw additional refugees from that same ethnic group. In essence, every refugee increase the ethnic gravitational pull toward your country. Why would you want to do that to your own people?

    4. Define “some.” Does the family that these refugees will bring into the country count in that “some”? Do the many children and grandchildren of these refugees count in that “some”? What about 100 years from now, 200 years?

    5. Why is it my people’s responsibility to “do some real good for the refugees”? Why can’t their own people (Muslims) do some real good for them? Why do I have to permanently change my country’s demographics and culture to “do some real good for the refugees”? Why do I have to lessen the impact of my vote to “do some reall good for the refugees”?

    6. Why do these refugees get priority over the millions (billions?) of people who at any give moment are in physical danger or can rightly claim to be economic refugees? Why do these 500, 5,000, 50,000, etc. people get the Golden Ticket while tens of millions of others get the shaft?

    I could go on, but you get the idea. Start thinking like a man who’s been around the block a couple of times and not a 9-year-old girl. Comments such as your’s may get platitudes in the HR meeting, but around here, people recognize them as the shallow Stage One thinking that they are.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Your concern that a single ethnic alien would irreparably and permanently pollute your ethnic gene pool reveals you to be operating at a level of reason that would be quite low even for the average nine year old girl.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I think that you have nicely summarized the immigration policy of Japan.
  10. Although I am firmly in the camp that the mass-immigration promotion by government powers—including Merkel—is due to payoffs by big money interests for lower wages, chaos, and ethnic replacement, I’d like to indulge–just for a moment, mind you— in the fantasy that the governmental powers’ betrayal of their people really is just a mass do-gooder wanna-be delusion.

    If so, the following story might be illustrative:

    Back in college (late 90’s), during the fall of my freshman year, a group of girls were in one suite(4 to a suite) talking about dating and sex. It was a Saturday night, late, but quiet, and the door was open. I eavesdropped shamelessly outside. No other person around. The voices I recognized. The girls were talking about what kind of guys they would and would not date.

    Eventually, one of them said, “What about a black guy?” and they all got real quiet. Then one by one they began to shout their anti-racist bona fides, and claim that they of course would date one.

    The next week one of the girls (I’ll call her Super Anti-Racist)from that room hooked up with a black football player and excitedly told the other girls from the suite and made a big show of parading him around. She now had “proven” she wasn’t racist and how much less racist and more good she was than the even the other “anti-racist” girls from the suite.

    But then Reality kicked in. Black football dude kept getting in trouble for off-campus incidents. Super Anti-Racist would come home crying from nights out with him. And, surprisingly for her, none of the other girls followed suit, although they would occasionally praise her for her lefty actions.

    Eventually black football player left school in the spring—poor grades combined with lackluster onfield performance. Super Anti-Racist had broken up with him after some New Year’s incident that I never got explained properly to me; sounded like an escalated argument at a frat party with him.

    After the break up, Super Anti-Racist couldn’t find a date. I’d see her out at frat parties and bars and the like, but it was a small school, and almost every non-black dude knew about her dating the black football player and just avoided her politely or else made up some excuse. She got real desperate and started basically being the class slut, where she would go home with any man who just wanted a one-night-stand, just so she could have some male human contact. But she never got dates. Her reputation followed her.

    After sophomore year, I can’t remember seeing her again. She didn’t graduate with the class, and I think she must’ve left the college. And the other girls from the suite—who had encouraged her behavior? I never saw them hook up with a black guy or heard it happened, and when she wasn’t around, they made snide jokes about Super Anti-Racist, although never broaching the race debate. One even became involved with a dude who told the funniest racist jokes about blacks, but always when he knew that everyone listening wasn’t going to narc on him.

    What I’m saying is: Merkel is Super Anti-Racist girl, and the other countries in Europe are the other girls in the suite. She tried for group social points by completely outdoing everyone in one area of anti-racism, only to have it backfire on her and have herself ruined, while the ones who encouraged her are going to start making fun of her stupidity for having listened to them, but never quite making it clear that that is the reason they think her stupid.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    stated preferences verses revealed preferences.
    , @TangoMan
    Your story doesn't align with Merkel's earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.

    Don't overlook the power of greed. The welfare state and its programs are like heroin to people. They will sell their mother in order to keep getting pensions and free medical care, so when push comes to shove they'll rape their culture and people in order to find bodies, any bodies, who will work and pay taxes to support them in their welfare state warm embrace. What's a few thousand girls getting raped, that's nothing when compared to the horror of a massive cut in old age pensions.

    Even this age-demographics issue is troublesome because it ignores away the significant subsidy that these low human capital migrants suck up for the remainder of their lives. If the State is going to be subsidizing low wage workers in order to position them to fund the welfare state in the future, then it's quite likely that the same subsidy redirected to Germans would be the best route to take. Better yet, deport all of the non-Germans who are on welfare and perhaps even those who are net-tax consumers.

    If population preservation is the top priority, then remedies in line with this goal can be devised and the welfare state will be modified. If the preservation of the existing welfare state is the top goal, then population preservation is on the chopping block. It's this latter view which, I believe, most aligns with what I'm seeing in Germany and Europe, and here as well - "We need Hispanic peons in order to fund Social Security."
    , @Jeff77450
    An excellent analogy and very well said.
  11. I don’t know which potential outcome worries me more: Europe not changing its mind, or its doing so. Because if they do decide they’re not going to tolerate this situation, there aren’t a whole lot of ways to alter it… except some very, very frightening ones.

    I suspect the long shadow of Nazism means that there’s a major psychological hurdle standing between Europe and certain unsavory strategies for eliminating the problem, but if things get bad enough to break down that wall… well, it’s going to be very ugly.

    I have no comment as to what Europe will look like if they don’t change. More like the rest of the world, I’ll wager, and that’s frightening in its own way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I thought that under Jimmy Carter, Iranians who were in the U.S. during the Iran Hostage Crisis were sent home. I don't see why something like this couldn't be done to Muslim refugees today. Sure, it might be hard, but I don't see why that should take it off the table as an option. If these refugees can't behave themselves or control one another then they lose the privilege of being in countries to which they've fled.
    , @Claude
    "If things get bad enough to break down that wall… well, it’s going to be very ugly."

    Let it get ugly, I say. This is what the proverbial pound of cure must look like. Handwringing is a luxury for victors.
    , @Kylie
    It's already ugly.
  12. Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian “guest” and next to the “guest” the cuckold’s attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    There you have the motive for the massive refugee immavasion. Western women’s desire for strange. That’s it. Its why nothing makes sense, because it can’t. Its all about the tingles, and women will do anything, I mean ANYTHING for the tingles.

    If most men walk around in a state of low-level arousal, most women do not; but experience intense and to men something incomprehensible in terms of arousal around Alpha males, and there is nothing more Alpha than killing someone. Thus the jihadis among the “refugees” and that most are young men tired of the battlefield not old women and old men and infants are a plus.

    A feminized society will turn on its native men in a heartbeat and invite non-feminized men to replace them. That’s why aging Merkel has the hots for young Muslim men — its the sex.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian “guest” and next to the “guest” the cuckold’s attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.
     
    Remake of the noted Fassbinder film - ALI- DON'T FEAR HIM SHARING YOUR WIFE'S HOLE.

    Sorry, couldn't resist. But seriously, when are you going to start incorporating allusions to that highly relevant film? Even has the older frau/younger sharif angle implicit in Merkel's relationship to this surging tide of virile, swarthy humanity. Such allusions could classy up this joint (once you've redacted everything I've ever posted and ban me from your site) and maybe convert a fence-sitting SWPL or two. Do I have to buy the Criterion blu-ray for you or what? (after, of course, you get enough to buy a blu-ray player in the next fund-raiser).
    , @Diversity Heretic
    The look on Angela Merkel's face when she was having her picture taken with the young male "refugees," was revealing: "Oh, Ahmed; no German man ever treated me this way." The feminization of public policy and of society in general has been a disaster.
    , @jesse helms think-alike
    Whiskey that picture is worth a thousand words

    http://d2nj4n4ep9vg2s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Ibrahim_IP.jpeg

    germany abolishes itself indeed
    , @AndrewR
    Can you blame her? The Syrian guy looks strong and manly. The German guy looks feminine.
  13. Europe deserves this. Europe funds NATO. Europe went along with all the crazy wars, and especially Libya. Europe refuses to fund the border patrol Frontex anywhere as much as NATO. Europe did not resolve the financial crisis in Greece which meant Greece had no resources to solve the problem. Germany sold the Greeks a fleet of U Boats instead of insisting Greece put resources into coast guard type vessels. Notice the refugees flooded in by sea not land.

    Merkel was clever in inviting the refugees after the hoard passed into the Balkans but the reality is they were in Europe and not easily removed before she invited them. She just pretended it was all her idea.

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    “I don’t understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.”

    A good question to have, is how the levers of power operate at such astonishingly “dumber” levels than those which operate in the domains of technology and science.
    Politics is the “science of dumbness”. —That is to say, the process of arriving at the final dumb result contains a complex chain of events, which in and of itself is not “dumb”, but rather, it is complex. Maybe the “the complexity of dumbness” would be a better description.

    The question is, how do we deal with this dumbness? Because its really not right, left or center anymore, it’s just the the convenient (in)action caused by an ideology that came to be evolutionarily selected for. Of course, pages have been spent in “alt-right” (whatever!) journals to analyze this, but I think we need to start thinking at the more practical level.
    There is some sort of “cog” in the gears of advanced societies towards getting good outcomes, while those at the top possibly know that they are doing the wrong thing, but feel evolutionarily obliged to continue the “convieniently dumb” policies.
    This piece is a perfect illustration. People understand how their houses work, why can’t they see the larger macro-illustration in nations?

    Sometimes I just want to flee to science and technology reporting, there is so much good, logical progress in the world of intelligence….

  15. Guess who gets to pick up the slack when the Sunni/Shia showdown continues apace?

    We do!

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Melendwyr
    I don't know which potential outcome worries me more: Europe not changing its mind, or its doing so. Because if they do decide they're not going to tolerate this situation, there aren't a whole lot of ways to alter it... except some very, very frightening ones.

    I suspect the long shadow of Nazism means that there's a major psychological hurdle standing between Europe and certain unsavory strategies for eliminating the problem, but if things get bad enough to break down that wall... well, it's going to be very ugly.

    I have no comment as to what Europe will look like if they don't change. More like the rest of the world, I'll wager, and that's frightening in its own way.

    I thought that under Jimmy Carter, Iranians who were in the U.S. during the Iran Hostage Crisis were sent home. I don’t see why something like this couldn’t be done to Muslim refugees today. Sure, it might be hard, but I don’t see why that should take it off the table as an option. If these refugees can’t behave themselves or control one another then they lose the privilege of being in countries to which they’ve fled.

  17. @Melendwyr
    I don't know which potential outcome worries me more: Europe not changing its mind, or its doing so. Because if they do decide they're not going to tolerate this situation, there aren't a whole lot of ways to alter it... except some very, very frightening ones.

    I suspect the long shadow of Nazism means that there's a major psychological hurdle standing between Europe and certain unsavory strategies for eliminating the problem, but if things get bad enough to break down that wall... well, it's going to be very ugly.

    I have no comment as to what Europe will look like if they don't change. More like the rest of the world, I'll wager, and that's frightening in its own way.

    “If things get bad enough to break down that wall… well, it’s going to be very ugly.”

    Let it get ugly, I say. This is what the proverbial pound of cure must look like. Handwringing is a luxury for victors.

  18. OT:

    I’m liking Mark Steyn more and more. First, I see he reads VDare; now see he reads Sailer and his readers’ comments.

    http://www.steynonline.com/7401/jeb-pitches-the-woo

    • Agree: Anonym
  19. But whether or not you’ve got strong external locks on your house, the occupants will still want good security on whatever rooms are the most attractive to burglars. So it is in Europe – the big migrant-magnet countries need stronger borders than their less attractive neighbours. You only have to look at the hordes of immigrants scrabbling to get across to Britain from Calais to realize that not all welfare systems are equal, even in the increasingly homogenised EU.

  20. Sorry Sailer, you missed the early bus on this subject.

    On September 19, 2014, Hugh Eakin, a Zionist propagandist penned an Op-Ed at the Jew York Times in which he questioned the wisdom of Swedish Social Democratic Party coalition government’s open-door immigration policy for the Syrians fleeing the Jewish War declared by the United States and its western and Arab allies for the last three years.

    According to Eakin Swedish taxpayers would be spending additional $7 billion to accommodate the Syrian refugees seeking political asylum in Sweden. He says that Sweden has already accommodated 40,000 Syrian refugees and could be expecting another 80,000 by the end of 2014. He claims Sweden has double-digit youth unemployment and this money should be used to create new employment opportunities.

    Eakin real agenda for criticizing Sweden’s pro-immigration policy which is based on cheap labor – but his fear that a larger Arab presence in the European country could debunk Israeli lies about Arabs and Muslims in particular, immigrants trying to Islamize the West…..

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/09/26/nyt-sweden-should-not-accept-syrian-refugees/

  21. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    My first reaction is that it’s a just a tactic to mollify the increasingly restless population. The most important thing is to hold onto power so it’s expedient to be publicly seen as doing something about things that people are concerned about. It’s probably insincere but deceiving the public is what the elites do everywhere as a matter of course; they all have more in common with each other than with their own citizens. When it comes to the political classes everywhere, going for the most cynical answer usually turns out to be the right one.

  22. @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    Please don’t use the term “refugees” for these people. A recent survey of the Calais jungle by the Human Relief Foundation – a pro-refugee NGO – found that only a tiny minority of the people there were refugees in the proper sense of the word – persons fleeing persecution. That is almost certainly the case for all the other hordes who swarmed across Europe in 2015 as well.

    Instead of “refugee”, I respectfully suggest the following alternatives: illegal infiltrator (courtesy of Israel), alien scrounger (from the late George MacDonald Fraser) or the tried-and-true illegal immigrant.

    Still, in the current context, one can’t top Steve’s formulation Merkel Youth (or, as I prefer to put it, Merkeljugend).

  23. Very well said, Steve. You have to protect your “house” at some level.

  24. Now that is a good racist/countercultural/punk-rock band name right there “Merkel Youth”…it has the classical reference to the old punk band “Reagan Youth” as well as the “youths/teens/race-unreported” trope and the world-historical irony of the pendulum swinging back JUST NOW in the other direction…

    Checking youtube, some Spanish band “Inquietud” has a song “Merkel Youth” but it is one year old and thus lacks all the zing and piquant topicality of recent developments…I’d say the band name is up for grabs fer sure

    let’s wallow in irony with Reagan Youth “Jesus Was A Communist” just because:

  25. @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    How do you say “Something’s rotten in Denmark?” in Swedish?

  26. I try not to think too far ahead when it comes to migration flows in Europe since it is downright depressing, but any predictions for what will happen in 2016? I think the levels in 2016 will be even higher despite the border controls. As reported by Yahoo News: “Bitter cold, biting winds and rough winter seas have done little to stem the seemingly endless flow of desperate people fleeing war or poverty for what they hope will be a brighter, safer future in Europe. As 2016 dawns, boatloads continue to reach Greek shores and thousands trudge across Balkan fields and country roads heading north.”

    Depending on how strictly border controls are enforced, I expect to see some conflict when migrants demand to be let through as they well up in what ever country they’re in. The country unfortunate to be hosting them will push them through hoping to avoid mass rioting. A game of hot potato.

  27. Slightly OT – Breitbart is reporting that 1000 migrants sexually harassed the locals in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. Are there any German readers of this blog who can corroborate?

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Not German but decent German speaker. Take a look here. The headline says "After sexual assault: This group of offenders now in focus"

    http://www.express.de/koeln/koeln-nach-sexuellen-uebergriffen--diese-taetergruppe-rueckt-jetzt-in-den-fokus-23252196

    The national German papers have been reluctant to write clearly about this in order to not give Germans an incorrect idea of what kind of people the migrants are. Surely we can't let anyone think there could be bad people among the migrants and if there are some bad people among the migrants they are only a couple of thousand (at a time) so no big deal.
  28. OT:

    If “The land belongs to those who work it with their hands” in Chiapas, why do the same Progressives who support that principle think it is not true on the Hammond’s Ranch at Malhuer Wildlife Refuge or for Cliven Bundy?

  29. Demographic replacement is the goal, and as such 2015 was a bumper year. Anyone that is confused as to how the elites could possibly make such an obvious error that any jackass with a 100IQ could have smelled from a mile away and are now “closing” the borders in “shock” are not looking at this properly.

    The easiest way to think of this is to equate migrants with dollars. You want more dollars, right? If you usually make $50,000 a year, you will be more than happy if you can pull off a scam that lets you make $1m a year over and above your standard salary. Sure, you’d like to keep the scam going in perpetuity, but it’s not as if you “failed” by only making an extra $1.5 million. That’s extra money in your pocket that you otherwise wouldn’t have and brings you that much closer to retiring in Tahiti.

    So it is for the anti-white elites and the migrants. The elites usually manage to import around 2-3 million migrants into Europe a year via the traditional routes of family reunification, economic visas, etc. That’s a good living, but just like more dollars buy you more things, so do more migrants buy you more demographic displacement. Last year’s refugee bonanza was a little scam the elites played to get more than the standard number of migrants. The elites always knew that they would have to eventually dampen the flow or else risk losing control, just like a crooked dentist isn’t going to find a fake cavity every single time a patient comes in for a checkup. That would just be killing the golden goose.

    Anyway, it’s now winter and the migrant stream has slowed to a trickle, which makes it a funny time for the Swedes to choose to close their border. It’s obviously purely a political ploy and it’s designed to placate the population for the time being and so actually to enable INCREASING the number of migrants once the spring arrives. At any rate, even at such a hypothetical time that the elites actually decide the time is ripe to ease back on the throttle for a while, do not feel bad for them. They will have managed to bring in an extra few million migrants than would be in Europe otherwise, thus accelerating the timetable for when the s… really hits the fan.

  30. Abe says: • Website
    @Whiskey
    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian "guest" and next to the "guest" the cuckold's attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    There you have the motive for the massive refugee immavasion. Western women's desire for strange. That's it. Its why nothing makes sense, because it can't. Its all about the tingles, and women will do anything, I mean ANYTHING for the tingles.

    If most men walk around in a state of low-level arousal, most women do not; but experience intense and to men something incomprehensible in terms of arousal around Alpha males, and there is nothing more Alpha than killing someone. Thus the jihadis among the "refugees" and that most are young men tired of the battlefield not old women and old men and infants are a plus.

    A feminized society will turn on its native men in a heartbeat and invite non-feminized men to replace them. That's why aging Merkel has the hots for young Muslim men -- its the sex.

    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian “guest” and next to the “guest” the cuckold’s attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    Remake of the noted Fassbinder film – ALI- DON’T FEAR HIM SHARING YOUR WIFE’S HOLE.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. But seriously, when are you going to start incorporating allusions to that highly relevant film? Even has the older frau/younger sharif angle implicit in Merkel’s relationship to this surging tide of virile, swarthy humanity. Such allusions could classy up this joint (once you’ve redacted everything I’ve ever posted and ban me from your site) and maybe convert a fence-sitting SWPL or two. Do I have to buy the Criterion blu-ray for you or what? (after, of course, you get enough to buy a blu-ray player in the next fund-raiser).

  31. Abe says: • Website

    Announcing the U-turn in refugee policy, the deputy prime minister burst into tears.

    Umm, so when did this public crying for one’s sins of racism- or in this case, for one’s sins of not being anti-racist enough- become a thing among white men? Earliest incident I can recall is Fuzzy Zoeller crying over his clumsy joke about Tiger Woods bringing collard greens and fried chicken to a tour lunch.

    • Replies: @Beach

    Umm, so when did this public crying for one’s sins of racism- or in this case, for one’s sins of not being anti-racist enough- become a thing among white men?
     
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/nov/24/asa-romson-sweden-deputy-prime-minister-cries-announcing-refugee-u-turn-video

    She's a woman. And an idiot.
  32. @Melendwyr
    I don't know which potential outcome worries me more: Europe not changing its mind, or its doing so. Because if they do decide they're not going to tolerate this situation, there aren't a whole lot of ways to alter it... except some very, very frightening ones.

    I suspect the long shadow of Nazism means that there's a major psychological hurdle standing between Europe and certain unsavory strategies for eliminating the problem, but if things get bad enough to break down that wall... well, it's going to be very ugly.

    I have no comment as to what Europe will look like if they don't change. More like the rest of the world, I'll wager, and that's frightening in its own way.

    It’s already ugly.

  33. @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    They are irrationally overconfident sociopaths, and the goal self evidently wasn’t to “do good”.

  34. @NOTA
    I've heard the claim that the Danish authorities were going to great lengths to move the refugees along to Sweden without formally interacting with them, and so getting responsibility for the refugees. And recently, Denmark imposed some pretty nasty anti-refugee policies (confiscating valuables from the refugees) that I assume were intended to make it clear to the refugees that they'd be much better off in nice friendly Sweden than cold, mean Denmark. I'm guessing this policy was working too well at convincing the refugees to keep moving, and thus handing Sweden the problem.

    The striking thing about this is that the outcome was so obvious months in advance. A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees, but allowing an unlimited inflow was guaranteed to trigger a backlash.

    I don't understand why this was obvious to me, a middle-aged guy miles from the levers of power, but not to any of the decision makers who caused and helped along the crisis.

    A well thought out plan would been to have told the Saudis and the Gulf Sheiks that the refugees are their co-religionists and therefore their problem. Muslims are always saying that they are all brothers, so let Oman and Qatar prove it. The Emir of Qatar can divert some of that quarter trillion dollars he intends to spend on hosting the world cup to hosting the syrian refugees instead.

  35. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    "A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees"

    Even here we can't escape the "I'm one of the nice ones" syndrome. Explain some things to me please:

    1. What exactly is a "well thought out plan"? To me, a well thought out plan is one that keeps anyone that I don't specifically invite into my country . . . out of my country. How does a well thought out plan keep my people genetically homogeneous if even one refugee is not of my race/ethnicity?

    2. Can a well thought out plan guarantee that the refugees and their children and their grandchildren won't commit crimes at a higher rate than the natives? Can such a plan guarantee that said refugees and their offspring won't go on killing sprees?

    3. By bringing in any number of refugees, you establish ethnic communities that will draw additional refugees from that same ethnic group. In essence, every refugee increase the ethnic gravitational pull toward your country. Why would you want to do that to your own people?

    4. Define "some." Does the family that these refugees will bring into the country count in that "some"? Do the many children and grandchildren of these refugees count in that "some"? What about 100 years from now, 200 years?

    5. Why is it my people's responsibility to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why can't their own people (Muslims) do some real good for them? Why do I have to permanently change my country's demographics and culture to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why do I have to lessen the impact of my vote to "do some reall good for the refugees"?

    6. Why do these refugees get priority over the millions (billions?) of people who at any give moment are in physical danger or can rightly claim to be economic refugees? Why do these 500, 5,000, 50,000, etc. people get the Golden Ticket while tens of millions of others get the shaft?

    I could go on, but you get the idea. Start thinking like a man who's been around the block a couple of times and not a 9-year-old girl. Comments such as your's may get platitudes in the HR meeting, but around here, people recognize them as the shallow Stage One thinking that they are.

    Your concern that a single ethnic alien would irreparably and permanently pollute your ethnic gene pool reveals you to be operating at a level of reason that would be quite low even for the average nine year old girl.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    You've got to draw the line somewhere. It would have been far better at the point where Enoch Powell would have drawn it than anywhere else, and probably where you would draw it too.
  36. @whorefinder
    Although I am firmly in the camp that the mass-immigration promotion by government powers---including Merkel---is due to payoffs by big money interests for lower wages, chaos, and ethnic replacement, I'd like to indulge--just for a moment, mind you--- in the fantasy that the governmental powers' betrayal of their people really is just a mass do-gooder wanna-be delusion.

    If so, the following story might be illustrative:

    Back in college (late 90's), during the fall of my freshman year, a group of girls were in one suite(4 to a suite) talking about dating and sex. It was a Saturday night, late, but quiet, and the door was open. I eavesdropped shamelessly outside. No other person around. The voices I recognized. The girls were talking about what kind of guys they would and would not date.

    Eventually, one of them said, "What about a black guy?" and they all got real quiet. Then one by one they began to shout their anti-racist bona fides, and claim that they of course would date one.

    The next week one of the girls (I'll call her Super Anti-Racist)from that room hooked up with a black football player and excitedly told the other girls from the suite and made a big show of parading him around. She now had "proven" she wasn't racist and how much less racist and more good she was than the even the other "anti-racist" girls from the suite.

    But then Reality kicked in. Black football dude kept getting in trouble for off-campus incidents. Super Anti-Racist would come home crying from nights out with him. And, surprisingly for her, none of the other girls followed suit, although they would occasionally praise her for her lefty actions.

    Eventually black football player left school in the spring---poor grades combined with lackluster onfield performance. Super Anti-Racist had broken up with him after some New Year's incident that I never got explained properly to me; sounded like an escalated argument at a frat party with him.

    After the break up, Super Anti-Racist couldn't find a date. I'd see her out at frat parties and bars and the like, but it was a small school, and almost every non-black dude knew about her dating the black football player and just avoided her politely or else made up some excuse. She got real desperate and started basically being the class slut, where she would go home with any man who just wanted a one-night-stand, just so she could have some male human contact. But she never got dates. Her reputation followed her.

    After sophomore year, I can't remember seeing her again. She didn't graduate with the class, and I think she must've left the college. And the other girls from the suite---who had encouraged her behavior? I never saw them hook up with a black guy or heard it happened, and when she wasn't around, they made snide jokes about Super Anti-Racist, although never broaching the race debate. One even became involved with a dude who told the funniest racist jokes about blacks, but always when he knew that everyone listening wasn't going to narc on him.

    What I'm saying is: Merkel is Super Anti-Racist girl, and the other countries in Europe are the other girls in the suite. She tried for group social points by completely outdoing everyone in one area of anti-racism, only to have it backfire on her and have herself ruined, while the ones who encouraged her are going to start making fun of her stupidity for having listened to them, but never quite making it clear that that is the reason they think her stupid.

    stated preferences verses revealed preferences.

  37. @AndrewR
    Your concern that a single ethnic alien would irreparably and permanently pollute your ethnic gene pool reveals you to be operating at a level of reason that would be quite low even for the average nine year old girl.

    You’ve got to draw the line somewhere. It would have been far better at the point where Enoch Powell would have drawn it than anywhere else, and probably where you would draw it too.

    • Replies: @rvg
    Problem is where do you draw the line? In 1972 Australia had 30,000 Asians, now they probably reasoned that 30,000 is not so bad so why not 300,000, and 300,000 is not so bad so why not 3,000,000, and before you know it?
    , @rvg
    The entire problem of the HDB movement from the start is that it treats people as nothing more than the sum of their SAT/IQ scores or income tax returns, and so that opens the way to arguments that having whites replaced by East Asians and Hindu Indians above the IQ cutoff of 100 or 105 is not so bad since the average IQ of white countries will not be affected and East Asians do not commit much blue collar crime. To be frank the entire HDB movement is no better than the SJW movement when it comes to protecting the future of white people.
    , @AndrewR
    Reasonable people can obviously disagree on where to draw the line. I don't think zero is a reasonable line from either a humanitarian point of view or even a pragmatic view. Concern for one's own ethnic group doesn't require this autistic chauvinism I see from many around here.
  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yup.

    Remember that it was only a few short weeks ago that the fools who run Sweden were shouting out so that everyone could hear that Sweden was a ‘humanitarian superpower’ which would ‘accept no limit to the number of refugees it took in’.
    Remember also former British Home Secretary David Blunkett bragging that there was ‘no upper limit’ to the number of immigrants Britain could take in.

    All that these dumb-ass politicians were doing was to parrot the stupidity of The Economist magazine and the current ‘neo-liberal’ orthodoxy. But, unfortunately, these fools were dangerous fools. Not only were they dumb enough to actually believe that guff, rather than just pass it by with deserved contempt and derision, they were actually stupid enough to implement it.

  39. @Abe

    Announcing the U-turn in refugee policy, the deputy prime minister burst into tears.
     
    Umm, so when did this public crying for one's sins of racism- or in this case, for one's sins of not being anti-racist enough- become a thing among white men? Earliest incident I can recall is Fuzzy Zoeller crying over his clumsy joke about Tiger Woods bringing collard greens and fried chicken to a tour lunch.

    Umm, so when did this public crying for one’s sins of racism- or in this case, for one’s sins of not being anti-racist enough- become a thing among white men?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/nov/24/asa-romson-sweden-deputy-prime-minister-cries-announcing-refugee-u-turn-video

    She’s a woman. And an idiot.

  40. @Anonym
    You've got to draw the line somewhere. It would have been far better at the point where Enoch Powell would have drawn it than anywhere else, and probably where you would draw it too.

    Problem is where do you draw the line? In 1972 Australia had 30,000 Asians, now they probably reasoned that 30,000 is not so bad so why not 300,000, and 300,000 is not so bad so why not 3,000,000, and before you know it?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Less rather than more - we are in the hole and now is the time to stop digging. A moratorium, surely. If Israel can do it so can we.
  41. @Anonym
    You've got to draw the line somewhere. It would have been far better at the point where Enoch Powell would have drawn it than anywhere else, and probably where you would draw it too.

    The entire problem of the HDB movement from the start is that it treats people as nothing more than the sum of their SAT/IQ scores or income tax returns, and so that opens the way to arguments that having whites replaced by East Asians and Hindu Indians above the IQ cutoff of 100 or 105 is not so bad since the average IQ of white countries will not be affected and East Asians do not commit much blue collar crime. To be frank the entire HDB movement is no better than the SJW movement when it comes to protecting the future of white people.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    what is blue collar crime?

    disability fraud? prescription drug dealing?

    you may want to check your premise that asians don't get involved in this...
    , @AndrewR
    what a shitty strawman of the HBD movement
  42. @Erik Sieven
    I do not think that anybody who looks at least a little bit African or Westasian will actually sent back. Yes, maybe an old white grandma who forgot her passport at home, maybe with those the heroic Viking border guards will show no mercy.
    But there is no way any Scandinavian officer today ever says no to a 25 year old male Nigerian or Arabian guy, let alone physically keep him off entering the northern welfare paradise.
    Much likely it is a cynical trick the antiracist government plays on the swedish people. Like the nasty joke the Merkel administration made a few weeks ago in Germany: from one day to another there were border controls with thousands of federal police officers sent to the southern german border. All that to greet the incomers there with a heartily: refugees welcome. Not a single person was actually stopped at the border

    First information from the border is that this is exactly what’s happening. Obvious Swedes without ID are denied boarding and some other travellers are allowed to board the trains with their non-EU ID.

    Btw,
    what’s really sad here is that Sweden had open borders with Denmark(but with existing Customs) long before the EU. There hasn’t been border checks for 60 years so this is a huge step backwards.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Refugees are why we Scandinavians can't have nice things anymore after 60 years.
  43. @iSteveFan
    Slightly OT - Breitbart is reporting that 1000 migrants sexually harassed the locals in Cologne on New Year's Eve. Are there any German readers of this blog who can corroborate?

    Not German but decent German speaker. Take a look here. The headline says “After sexual assault: This group of offenders now in focus”

    http://www.express.de/koeln/koeln-nach-sexuellen-uebergriffen–diese-taetergruppe-rueckt-jetzt-in-den-fokus-23252196

    The national German papers have been reluctant to write clearly about this in order to not give Germans an incorrect idea of what kind of people the migrants are. Surely we can’t let anyone think there could be bad people among the migrants and if there are some bad people among the migrants they are only a couple of thousand (at a time) so no big deal.

  44. @Fredrik
    First information from the border is that this is exactly what's happening. Obvious Swedes without ID are denied boarding and some other travellers are allowed to board the trains with their non-EU ID.

    Btw,
    what's really sad here is that Sweden had open borders with Denmark(but with existing Customs) long before the EU. There hasn't been border checks for 60 years so this is a huge step backwards.

    Refugees are why we Scandinavians can’t have nice things anymore after 60 years.

  45. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/world/europe/hungary-viktor-orban-migrant-crisis.html?_r=0

    Summary of this NYT article:

    “Orban is a nasty, snarling, evil racist, but maybe he was kind of right about this whole refugee thing, in an unnecessarily belligerent sort of way. But did we mention that Orban is a shrill bigot, because just to be clear that is what he is. So don’t think that he deserves any credit or anything.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  46. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    "A well thought out plan to bring in some refugees in a measured way could have worked out well enough, and would probably have done some real good for the refugees"

    Even here we can't escape the "I'm one of the nice ones" syndrome. Explain some things to me please:

    1. What exactly is a "well thought out plan"? To me, a well thought out plan is one that keeps anyone that I don't specifically invite into my country . . . out of my country. How does a well thought out plan keep my people genetically homogeneous if even one refugee is not of my race/ethnicity?

    2. Can a well thought out plan guarantee that the refugees and their children and their grandchildren won't commit crimes at a higher rate than the natives? Can such a plan guarantee that said refugees and their offspring won't go on killing sprees?

    3. By bringing in any number of refugees, you establish ethnic communities that will draw additional refugees from that same ethnic group. In essence, every refugee increase the ethnic gravitational pull toward your country. Why would you want to do that to your own people?

    4. Define "some." Does the family that these refugees will bring into the country count in that "some"? Do the many children and grandchildren of these refugees count in that "some"? What about 100 years from now, 200 years?

    5. Why is it my people's responsibility to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why can't their own people (Muslims) do some real good for them? Why do I have to permanently change my country's demographics and culture to "do some real good for the refugees"? Why do I have to lessen the impact of my vote to "do some reall good for the refugees"?

    6. Why do these refugees get priority over the millions (billions?) of people who at any give moment are in physical danger or can rightly claim to be economic refugees? Why do these 500, 5,000, 50,000, etc. people get the Golden Ticket while tens of millions of others get the shaft?

    I could go on, but you get the idea. Start thinking like a man who's been around the block a couple of times and not a 9-year-old girl. Comments such as your's may get platitudes in the HR meeting, but around here, people recognize them as the shallow Stage One thinking that they are.

    I think that you have nicely summarized the immigration policy of Japan.

  47. @Whiskey
    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian "guest" and next to the "guest" the cuckold's attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    There you have the motive for the massive refugee immavasion. Western women's desire for strange. That's it. Its why nothing makes sense, because it can't. Its all about the tingles, and women will do anything, I mean ANYTHING for the tingles.

    If most men walk around in a state of low-level arousal, most women do not; but experience intense and to men something incomprehensible in terms of arousal around Alpha males, and there is nothing more Alpha than killing someone. Thus the jihadis among the "refugees" and that most are young men tired of the battlefield not old women and old men and infants are a plus.

    A feminized society will turn on its native men in a heartbeat and invite non-feminized men to replace them. That's why aging Merkel has the hots for young Muslim men -- its the sex.

    The look on Angela Merkel’s face when she was having her picture taken with the young male “refugees,” was revealing: “Oh, Ahmed; no German man ever treated me this way.” The feminization of public policy and of society in general has been a disaster.

  48. @Whiskey
    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian "guest" and next to the "guest" the cuckold's attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    There you have the motive for the massive refugee immavasion. Western women's desire for strange. That's it. Its why nothing makes sense, because it can't. Its all about the tingles, and women will do anything, I mean ANYTHING for the tingles.

    If most men walk around in a state of low-level arousal, most women do not; but experience intense and to men something incomprehensible in terms of arousal around Alpha males, and there is nothing more Alpha than killing someone. Thus the jihadis among the "refugees" and that most are young men tired of the battlefield not old women and old men and infants are a plus.

    A feminized society will turn on its native men in a heartbeat and invite non-feminized men to replace them. That's why aging Merkel has the hots for young Muslim men -- its the sex.

    Whiskey that picture is worth a thousand words

    germany abolishes itself indeed

  49. The Swedes created something cool like the turretless tank O.o

  50. @whorefinder
    Although I am firmly in the camp that the mass-immigration promotion by government powers---including Merkel---is due to payoffs by big money interests for lower wages, chaos, and ethnic replacement, I'd like to indulge--just for a moment, mind you--- in the fantasy that the governmental powers' betrayal of their people really is just a mass do-gooder wanna-be delusion.

    If so, the following story might be illustrative:

    Back in college (late 90's), during the fall of my freshman year, a group of girls were in one suite(4 to a suite) talking about dating and sex. It was a Saturday night, late, but quiet, and the door was open. I eavesdropped shamelessly outside. No other person around. The voices I recognized. The girls were talking about what kind of guys they would and would not date.

    Eventually, one of them said, "What about a black guy?" and they all got real quiet. Then one by one they began to shout their anti-racist bona fides, and claim that they of course would date one.

    The next week one of the girls (I'll call her Super Anti-Racist)from that room hooked up with a black football player and excitedly told the other girls from the suite and made a big show of parading him around. She now had "proven" she wasn't racist and how much less racist and more good she was than the even the other "anti-racist" girls from the suite.

    But then Reality kicked in. Black football dude kept getting in trouble for off-campus incidents. Super Anti-Racist would come home crying from nights out with him. And, surprisingly for her, none of the other girls followed suit, although they would occasionally praise her for her lefty actions.

    Eventually black football player left school in the spring---poor grades combined with lackluster onfield performance. Super Anti-Racist had broken up with him after some New Year's incident that I never got explained properly to me; sounded like an escalated argument at a frat party with him.

    After the break up, Super Anti-Racist couldn't find a date. I'd see her out at frat parties and bars and the like, but it was a small school, and almost every non-black dude knew about her dating the black football player and just avoided her politely or else made up some excuse. She got real desperate and started basically being the class slut, where she would go home with any man who just wanted a one-night-stand, just so she could have some male human contact. But she never got dates. Her reputation followed her.

    After sophomore year, I can't remember seeing her again. She didn't graduate with the class, and I think she must've left the college. And the other girls from the suite---who had encouraged her behavior? I never saw them hook up with a black guy or heard it happened, and when she wasn't around, they made snide jokes about Super Anti-Racist, although never broaching the race debate. One even became involved with a dude who told the funniest racist jokes about blacks, but always when he knew that everyone listening wasn't going to narc on him.

    What I'm saying is: Merkel is Super Anti-Racist girl, and the other countries in Europe are the other girls in the suite. She tried for group social points by completely outdoing everyone in one area of anti-racism, only to have it backfire on her and have herself ruined, while the ones who encouraged her are going to start making fun of her stupidity for having listened to them, but never quite making it clear that that is the reason they think her stupid.

    Your story doesn’t align with Merkel’s earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.

    Don’t overlook the power of greed. The welfare state and its programs are like heroin to people. They will sell their mother in order to keep getting pensions and free medical care, so when push comes to shove they’ll rape their culture and people in order to find bodies, any bodies, who will work and pay taxes to support them in their welfare state warm embrace. What’s a few thousand girls getting raped, that’s nothing when compared to the horror of a massive cut in old age pensions.

    Even this age-demographics issue is troublesome because it ignores away the significant subsidy that these low human capital migrants suck up for the remainder of their lives. If the State is going to be subsidizing low wage workers in order to position them to fund the welfare state in the future, then it’s quite likely that the same subsidy redirected to Germans would be the best route to take. Better yet, deport all of the non-Germans who are on welfare and perhaps even those who are net-tax consumers.

    If population preservation is the top priority, then remedies in line with this goal can be devised and the welfare state will be modified. If the preservation of the existing welfare state is the top goal, then population preservation is on the chopping block. It’s this latter view which, I believe, most aligns with what I’m seeing in Germany and Europe, and here as well – “We need Hispanic peons in order to fund Social Security.”

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    If you'll note, I said I didn't actually believe the metaphor applies here, because I think Merkel and many political leaders are simply on the take.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Your story doesn’t align with Merkel’s earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.
     
    Like so many other 'conservative' politicians in Euro-stan today, Merkel will gladly pretend to be an immigration skeptic before the election; but now that she's a lame duck and is angling for the post of UN Sec'y General, she suddenly changes her tune. She is neither a racist nor an anti-racist--she's just another opportunist.
  51. @rvg
    Problem is where do you draw the line? In 1972 Australia had 30,000 Asians, now they probably reasoned that 30,000 is not so bad so why not 300,000, and 300,000 is not so bad so why not 3,000,000, and before you know it?

    Less rather than more – we are in the hole and now is the time to stop digging. A moratorium, surely. If Israel can do it so can we.

    • Replies: @Jeff77450
    Israel can claim, legitimately IMO, "existential threat."
  52. @David M.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/world/europe/hungary-viktor-orban-migrant-crisis.html?_r=0

    Summary of this NYT article:

    "Orban is a nasty, snarling, evil racist, but maybe he was kind of right about this whole refugee thing, in an unnecessarily belligerent sort of way. But did we mention that Orban is a shrill bigot, because just to be clear that is what he is. So don't think that he deserves any credit or anything."

    Thanks.

  53. – I don’t think the new Swedish policy is anything more than a puppet show to undercut growing support for the Sweden Democrats (the so-called far-right party whose only crime seems to be for immigration to go back to 1990 levels).
    – The only people who are going to suffer any inconvenience are those commuting to Sweden for work. Refugee “children” will still walk into Sweden unhindered: https://tinyurl.com/nlcyaw6

  54. @TangoMan
    Your story doesn't align with Merkel's earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.

    Don't overlook the power of greed. The welfare state and its programs are like heroin to people. They will sell their mother in order to keep getting pensions and free medical care, so when push comes to shove they'll rape their culture and people in order to find bodies, any bodies, who will work and pay taxes to support them in their welfare state warm embrace. What's a few thousand girls getting raped, that's nothing when compared to the horror of a massive cut in old age pensions.

    Even this age-demographics issue is troublesome because it ignores away the significant subsidy that these low human capital migrants suck up for the remainder of their lives. If the State is going to be subsidizing low wage workers in order to position them to fund the welfare state in the future, then it's quite likely that the same subsidy redirected to Germans would be the best route to take. Better yet, deport all of the non-Germans who are on welfare and perhaps even those who are net-tax consumers.

    If population preservation is the top priority, then remedies in line with this goal can be devised and the welfare state will be modified. If the preservation of the existing welfare state is the top goal, then population preservation is on the chopping block. It's this latter view which, I believe, most aligns with what I'm seeing in Germany and Europe, and here as well - "We need Hispanic peons in order to fund Social Security."

    If you’ll note, I said I didn’t actually believe the metaphor applies here, because I think Merkel and many political leaders are simply on the take.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
  55. @rvg
    The entire problem of the HDB movement from the start is that it treats people as nothing more than the sum of their SAT/IQ scores or income tax returns, and so that opens the way to arguments that having whites replaced by East Asians and Hindu Indians above the IQ cutoff of 100 or 105 is not so bad since the average IQ of white countries will not be affected and East Asians do not commit much blue collar crime. To be frank the entire HDB movement is no better than the SJW movement when it comes to protecting the future of white people.

    what is blue collar crime?

    disability fraud? prescription drug dealing?

    you may want to check your premise that asians don’t get involved in this…

    • Replies: @rvg
    I mean the type of crime that Asians commit centre around illegal kiosks, dodgy tax practices, or shabu laboratories, instead of muggings.
  56. @TangoMan
    Your story doesn't align with Merkel's earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.

    Don't overlook the power of greed. The welfare state and its programs are like heroin to people. They will sell their mother in order to keep getting pensions and free medical care, so when push comes to shove they'll rape their culture and people in order to find bodies, any bodies, who will work and pay taxes to support them in their welfare state warm embrace. What's a few thousand girls getting raped, that's nothing when compared to the horror of a massive cut in old age pensions.

    Even this age-demographics issue is troublesome because it ignores away the significant subsidy that these low human capital migrants suck up for the remainder of their lives. If the State is going to be subsidizing low wage workers in order to position them to fund the welfare state in the future, then it's quite likely that the same subsidy redirected to Germans would be the best route to take. Better yet, deport all of the non-Germans who are on welfare and perhaps even those who are net-tax consumers.

    If population preservation is the top priority, then remedies in line with this goal can be devised and the welfare state will be modified. If the preservation of the existing welfare state is the top goal, then population preservation is on the chopping block. It's this latter view which, I believe, most aligns with what I'm seeing in Germany and Europe, and here as well - "We need Hispanic peons in order to fund Social Security."

    Your story doesn’t align with Merkel’s earlier statements that multiculturalism in Germany has failed. No Super-Anti-Racist would say such racist words.

    Like so many other ‘conservative’ politicians in Euro-stan today, Merkel will gladly pretend to be an immigration skeptic before the election; but now that she’s a lame duck and is angling for the post of UN Sec’y General, she suddenly changes her tune. She is neither a racist nor an anti-racist–she’s just another opportunist.

  57. Guardian jumping on that Cologne story and not even trying to cover up who was behind it. Significant?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

  58. @rvg
    The entire problem of the HDB movement from the start is that it treats people as nothing more than the sum of their SAT/IQ scores or income tax returns, and so that opens the way to arguments that having whites replaced by East Asians and Hindu Indians above the IQ cutoff of 100 or 105 is not so bad since the average IQ of white countries will not be affected and East Asians do not commit much blue collar crime. To be frank the entire HDB movement is no better than the SJW movement when it comes to protecting the future of white people.

    what a shitty strawman of the HBD movement

    • Replies: @rvg
    Well a lot of male HBDers have Asian wives/girlfriends right? And since the HBD movement only seems to pay attention to IQ then white people will simply be replaced by East Asians and 100 IQ and above Indians, and the end they will still go extinct. Nationalists are more like preservationists, like the blue whale may not be objectively better than the sperm whale, but it is worth keeping around as well.
  59. @Anonym
    You've got to draw the line somewhere. It would have been far better at the point where Enoch Powell would have drawn it than anywhere else, and probably where you would draw it too.

    Reasonable people can obviously disagree on where to draw the line. I don’t think zero is a reasonable line from either a humanitarian point of view or even a pragmatic view. Concern for one’s own ethnic group doesn’t require this autistic chauvinism I see from many around here.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Must be a lot of autistic people in the USA as Trump is getting a lot of support.
  60. @Whiskey
    Heartiste has a picture of a cuckold German man, his usurper Syrian "guest" and next to the "guest" the cuckold's attractive blonde wife with a big grin looking at the Syrian guy, who is beefy and larger than the German.

    There you have the motive for the massive refugee immavasion. Western women's desire for strange. That's it. Its why nothing makes sense, because it can't. Its all about the tingles, and women will do anything, I mean ANYTHING for the tingles.

    If most men walk around in a state of low-level arousal, most women do not; but experience intense and to men something incomprehensible in terms of arousal around Alpha males, and there is nothing more Alpha than killing someone. Thus the jihadis among the "refugees" and that most are young men tired of the battlefield not old women and old men and infants are a plus.

    A feminized society will turn on its native men in a heartbeat and invite non-feminized men to replace them. That's why aging Merkel has the hots for young Muslim men -- its the sex.

    Can you blame her? The Syrian guy looks strong and manly. The German guy looks feminine.

  61. They’ll probably end up with automated “ClearMe” style border controls where only registered, known, individuals can “freely” traverse borders, with just a finger print or iris scan.

  62. @whorefinder
    Although I am firmly in the camp that the mass-immigration promotion by government powers---including Merkel---is due to payoffs by big money interests for lower wages, chaos, and ethnic replacement, I'd like to indulge--just for a moment, mind you--- in the fantasy that the governmental powers' betrayal of their people really is just a mass do-gooder wanna-be delusion.

    If so, the following story might be illustrative:

    Back in college (late 90's), during the fall of my freshman year, a group of girls were in one suite(4 to a suite) talking about dating and sex. It was a Saturday night, late, but quiet, and the door was open. I eavesdropped shamelessly outside. No other person around. The voices I recognized. The girls were talking about what kind of guys they would and would not date.

    Eventually, one of them said, "What about a black guy?" and they all got real quiet. Then one by one they began to shout their anti-racist bona fides, and claim that they of course would date one.

    The next week one of the girls (I'll call her Super Anti-Racist)from that room hooked up with a black football player and excitedly told the other girls from the suite and made a big show of parading him around. She now had "proven" she wasn't racist and how much less racist and more good she was than the even the other "anti-racist" girls from the suite.

    But then Reality kicked in. Black football dude kept getting in trouble for off-campus incidents. Super Anti-Racist would come home crying from nights out with him. And, surprisingly for her, none of the other girls followed suit, although they would occasionally praise her for her lefty actions.

    Eventually black football player left school in the spring---poor grades combined with lackluster onfield performance. Super Anti-Racist had broken up with him after some New Year's incident that I never got explained properly to me; sounded like an escalated argument at a frat party with him.

    After the break up, Super Anti-Racist couldn't find a date. I'd see her out at frat parties and bars and the like, but it was a small school, and almost every non-black dude knew about her dating the black football player and just avoided her politely or else made up some excuse. She got real desperate and started basically being the class slut, where she would go home with any man who just wanted a one-night-stand, just so she could have some male human contact. But she never got dates. Her reputation followed her.

    After sophomore year, I can't remember seeing her again. She didn't graduate with the class, and I think she must've left the college. And the other girls from the suite---who had encouraged her behavior? I never saw them hook up with a black guy or heard it happened, and when she wasn't around, they made snide jokes about Super Anti-Racist, although never broaching the race debate. One even became involved with a dude who told the funniest racist jokes about blacks, but always when he knew that everyone listening wasn't going to narc on him.

    What I'm saying is: Merkel is Super Anti-Racist girl, and the other countries in Europe are the other girls in the suite. She tried for group social points by completely outdoing everyone in one area of anti-racism, only to have it backfire on her and have herself ruined, while the ones who encouraged her are going to start making fun of her stupidity for having listened to them, but never quite making it clear that that is the reason they think her stupid.

    An excellent analogy and very well said.

  63. @Anonym
    Less rather than more - we are in the hole and now is the time to stop digging. A moratorium, surely. If Israel can do it so can we.

    Israel can claim, legitimately IMO, “existential threat.”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Worldwide population of Jews is greater than Danes, another white ethnicity. Why should Danes for example have to take in random refugees outside of Europe? No, they should be afforded the same rights as Jews.
  64. How is it “un-European” to protect Europeans in Europe from non-Europeans? What a bizarro world we live in thanks to cultural Marxism.

  65. @27 year old
    what is blue collar crime?

    disability fraud? prescription drug dealing?

    you may want to check your premise that asians don't get involved in this...

    I mean the type of crime that Asians commit centre around illegal kiosks, dodgy tax practices, or shabu laboratories, instead of muggings.

  66. @AndrewR
    what a shitty strawman of the HBD movement

    Well a lot of male HBDers have Asian wives/girlfriends right? And since the HBD movement only seems to pay attention to IQ then white people will simply be replaced by East Asians and 100 IQ and above Indians, and the end they will still go extinct. Nationalists are more like preservationists, like the blue whale may not be objectively better than the sperm whale, but it is worth keeping around as well.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    How many "HBDers" are there? Yes, a geeky guy who is good with statistics is probably more likely to live in areas with a decent number of Asian females.

    But I'm not sure your claim has any basis. And even if it does theres only so much blame you can put on the men.

    I'd prefer a woman of my own ethnic group but I'd rather have mixed babies than die childless.

    Hwyte women are certainly doing their part to shrink the hwyte population.


    What is maladaptive on a group level can be highly adaptive on an individual level.

    In fact that probably sums up almost every problem humanity faces.

    The fact is, most people don't really give a shit about "preserving their race," at least in America. Convincing people otherwise is not exactly easy.

  67. @Jeff77450
    Israel can claim, legitimately IMO, "existential threat."

    Worldwide population of Jews is greater than Danes, another white ethnicity. Why should Danes for example have to take in random refugees outside of Europe? No, they should be afforded the same rights as Jews.

  68. @AndrewR
    Reasonable people can obviously disagree on where to draw the line. I don't think zero is a reasonable line from either a humanitarian point of view or even a pragmatic view. Concern for one's own ethnic group doesn't require this autistic chauvinism I see from many around here.

    Must be a lot of autistic people in the USA as Trump is getting a lot of support.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    It's not at all clear that any, let alone many, most or all, Trump voters would condone what CoaSC said.

    Stop making lazy logical leaps.

  69. @rvg
    Well a lot of male HBDers have Asian wives/girlfriends right? And since the HBD movement only seems to pay attention to IQ then white people will simply be replaced by East Asians and 100 IQ and above Indians, and the end they will still go extinct. Nationalists are more like preservationists, like the blue whale may not be objectively better than the sperm whale, but it is worth keeping around as well.

    How many “HBDers” are there? Yes, a geeky guy who is good with statistics is probably more likely to live in areas with a decent number of Asian females.

    But I’m not sure your claim has any basis. And even if it does theres only so much blame you can put on the men.

    I’d prefer a woman of my own ethnic group but I’d rather have mixed babies than die childless.

    Hwyte women are certainly doing their part to shrink the hwyte population.

    What is maladaptive on a group level can be highly adaptive on an individual level.

    In fact that probably sums up almost every problem humanity faces.

    The fact is, most people don’t really give a shit about “preserving their race,” at least in America. Convincing people otherwise is not exactly easy.

  70. @Anonym
    Must be a lot of autistic people in the USA as Trump is getting a lot of support.

    It’s not at all clear that any, let alone many, most or all, Trump voters would condone what CoaSC said.

    Stop making lazy logical leaps.

  71. @Boomstick
    That's not the same thing at all. Hungary had premature border controls.

    Hungary had proactive measures to keep the insurgents out. Then they bolstered them.

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