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From the Daily Mail:

EXCLUSIVE: Blow up! Days before losing the election Hillary and Bill had a screaming match over who to blame for her flagging campaign – the ex-president so angry he threw his phone off the roof of his Arkansas penthouse

In case you are wondering about the phrase “Arkansas penthouse,” don’t worry, the Daily Mail, being primarily an online newspaper, has a capacious enough news hole to get around to explaining even that.

Bill and Hillary had a vicious fight over the phone over who to blame for her sagging poll numbers, reveals a source close to the ex-president

Hillary blamed FBI Director Comey for reopening investigation based on Anthony Weiner’s shared computer with Huma Abedin for her slump
Bill faulted Robby Mook, John Podesta and Hillary HERSELF

He claimed the three were tone-deaf about the feeble economy and its impact on millions and millions of working-class voters

‘A big part of Bill’s anger toward Hillary was that he was sidelined during the entire campaign by her advisers,’ said the source

By ED KLEIN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:22 EST, 15 November 2016

‘I was with Bill in Little Rock when he had this shouting match with Hillary on the phone and she accused Comey for reviving the investigation into her use of a private email server and reversing her campaign’s momentum,’ said one of Bill Clinton’s closest advisers.

‘Bill didn’t buy the excuse that Comey would cost Hillary the election,’ said the source. ‘As far as he was concerned, all the blame belonged to [campaign manager Robby] Mook, [campaign chairman John] Podesta and Hillary because they displayed a tone-deaf attitude about the feeble economy and its impact on millions and millions of working-class voters.

Bill and Hillary had a screaming match in a telephone call in the waning days of the campaign

‘Bill was so red in the face during his conversation with Hillary that I worried he was going to have a heart attack. He got so angry that he threw his phone off the roof of his penthouse apartment and toward the Arkansas River.’

Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock.

From this angle, Bill’s library kind of looks like a trailer park version of the AT-AT Imperial Walkers in The Empire Strikes Back.

During the campaign, Bill Clinton felt that he was ignored by Hillary’s top advisers when he urged them to make the economy the centerpiece of her campaign.

He repeatedly urged them to connect with the people who had been left behind by the revolutions in technology and globalization.

‘Bill said that constantly attacking Trump for his defects made Hillary’s staff and the media happy, but that it wasn’t a message that resonated with voters, especially in the rust belt,’ the source explained.

‘Bill always campaigned as a guy who felt your pain, but Hillary came across as someone who was pissed off at her enemy [Trump], not someone who was reaching out and trying to make life better for the white working class.’

‘Bill also said that many African Americans were deeply disappointed with the results of eight years of Obama,’ the source continued.

‘Despite more and more government assistance, black weren’t economically any better off, and black-on-black crime was destroying their communities. He said Hillary should have gone into the South Side of Chicago and condemned the out-of-control violence.’ …

‘A big part of Bill’s anger toward Hillary was that he was sidelined during the entire campaign by her advisers,’ said the source. ‘He can’t be effective if he sees himself as just another hired hand. He wasn’t listened to and that infuriated him. After all, he knows something about campaigns, and he told me in early October that Hillary and her advisers were blowing it.

‘Hillary wouldn’t listen. She told Bill that his ideas were old and that he was out of touch. In the end, there was nothing he could do about it because Hillary and her people weren’t listening to anything he said.’

 
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  1. How long until one of New York’s Senators has an “accident” so Hillary can get her job back?

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  2. “Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock.”

    It looks like a trailer!

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    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Don't know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It's crept into Chattanooga, for one.
    , @415 reasons
    I don't know how luxurious anything in Little Rock, Arkansas could be, even theoretically. "Luxurious" is a marketing term aimed at the elite bi-coastal class, therefore anything in Arkansas is essentially the opposite of luxurious (trashy) by definition.
    , @The Alarmist
    ? Is personal use of the Library kosher?
    , @OilcanFloyd
    It does look like trailer. I wonder if the architect slipped the design by as a joke? I can just see the hidden roach-like motifs throughout.
    , @Forbes
    I've often wondered how a private residence came to be atop the presidential library. Presidential libraries are built with donated funds--in this case, donations to a tax-exempt foundation. Once constructed, the library is then transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration, who operates and maintains the facility.

    How was the residence paid for, and who maintains it?
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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    This is the second article I have seen that describes the Empress' election night Elizabeth I/Henry II/Ivan the Terrible breakdown. It will be a worthy third act for the biopic "Bad Hill Wanting" starring Helen Mirren as Hillary and (help me out) some tall fat guy as Bubba.

    (The above scene in the Arkansas penthouse trailer will mark the end of the second act.)

    "I could have been a contender!" she screams, as she throws a glass, in a kind of cross of Claire Trevor in "Key Largo", Liz Taylor in "Virginia Woolf", Faye Dunaway in "Mommie Dearest", then, as she throws the empty bottle at her most trusted advisers, it smashes the mirror, and with some effects from "Tommy" she finally sees herself as she really is (NB: Portrait of Hillary Grey alternate title?!? or "The Fatal Skin" by Balzac? Working on it.) and slips into a Blanche Dubois /Kat Hepburn "Long Day's Journey" monologue.)

    In terms of the article: Has anyone actually found the phone? That SIM card must be loaded.
    , @FactsAreImportant
    This is the second story (probably leaked by Bill) about how Hillary lost because she wouldn't listen to Bill.

    Thanksgiving dinner is going to be very awkward at the Clinton's this year.
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  4. It is kind of bizarre that they would sideline one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around.

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    • Replies: @Chase
    Not that strange when you think about the psychological drive of HRC. She would already have felt that she wasn't really the first woman president, but just Bill's wife. Having him drag her across the line in addition was just too much to bear.

    I'm not sure there is any explanation other than that. Generally, I would put Bill as less out of touch than #SpiritCooking Podesta.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Usually politicians want to get MORE votes so they can WIN. But this Robby Mook kid seems to have had the novel idea that the Dems would make a new electoral coalition of gays, blacks, gays, women, gays, Hispanics, gays, illegals, gays, Muslims and gays. That way they wouldn't owe anything to, for example, the white working class, and the election of Hillary, rather than being a feat of grubby politics, would instead be a kind of gay apotheosis.

    Almost worked, too.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    Maybe they didn't. Maybe this story coming from a Bill Clinton operative is an opening salvo in an attempt to keep her failure from tainting his legacy.
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  5. I never cease to wonder at the unflagging intransigent journalism of the Daily Mail. It seems to me that the DM covers US events more quickly and thoroughly than most news outlets on this side of the pond!

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  6. BEST ELECTION EVER, continued:

    SJW protesting Trump gets slammed down steps by lefty autistic idiot who angrily mistook him for a Trump supporter.

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    So, in other words, if you attack someone who is anti-Trump, but you yourself are also anti-Trump, no foul. But not the other way around ......

    That reminds me of the news story from about 35 years ago where two brothers were arguing about the meaning of Thanksgiving and one brother said the Pilgrims and the other brother said Columbus. And the one who said it was for Columbus killed his brother with a pitchfork.

    The truth is no defense, your honor!
    , @Father O'Hara
    I jut saw a Fox report on this video. The reporter,one Trace Gallagher,didn't mention that the goofy guy was highly anti Trump,and was doing an own goal! He flat out lied,giving the impression that this was a Trumper! SMDH!
    , @Prof. Woland
    On Megan Kelly, they just showed that clip and claimed it was a Trump supporter who tackled a 'protestor'. They showed it to balance out the video of the 4-5 blacks who pummeled the white in Chicago. Trying to be fair and balanced I guess.
    , @e
    On tonight's Fox show with Megyn Kelly, this video was shown as evidence of a Trump supporter attacking an anti-Trumper. It followed a video, one most of us have seen, of some black guys beating up a white guy for voting for Trump.
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  7. I hope #arkansaspenthouse gains traction. It could be used as a new shorthand reference for:

    1. Destination (actual or symbolic) of washed-up leftist politicians after electoral defeat.

    OR

    2. Randy mens’ magazine featuring layouts of Bill’s conquests from the early years.

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    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Ivy
    Caution, trigger warning for Arkansas Penthouse contents.
    There might be a need for a brown paper bag meme as that fits in various ways - magazine cover, two banger for Bill's, ahem, conquests, etc
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  8. ‘…He can’t be effective if he sees himself as just another hired hand…’

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  9. Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer pair of grifters.

    May they be gone from public life forever.

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  10. How can anyone forget the Clinton rallying of 1992: “It’s the economy, stupid”. Always has been and always will be.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    How can anyone forget the Clinton rallying of 1992: “It’s the economy, stupid”.
     


    At the time, we didn't realize he was addressing his wife.
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  11. Bill’s gone full circle back to the double wide!

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  12. This is a very plausible story.

    But is it a true one?

    I don’t know how many “insider” stories like this — from anonymous sources of course — I’ve read over the years that never seem to get confirmed, and which, often, contradict each other.

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    • Replies: @keypusher
    It sounds like a journalist trying to sound like Bill and failing. Also I really have a hard time seeing how Hillary going to Chicago and condemning black on black violence would help in the slightest. I mean, I'd like it, but I wasn't going to vote for her anyway.
    , @Sunbeam
    Personally I've wondered about this one for a long time.

    "The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
    .
    .
    .
    "Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."

    This is something that was around about 10 years ago during the height of the Iraq War nonsense.

    It sounds so f*#%ing stupid it could be true, you know?
    , @Laugh Track
    I have some doubts about reports from anonymous aides that seem to quote both sides of the conversation. Was he listening in on a phone extension or did Bill have the conversation on speaker phone? If Bill tossed his phone off the roof, it implies this was on a cell phone. So, no extension phones, but that doesn't rule out it being on speaker, I suppose. All a bit odd.
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  13. Former NASA head administrator Dan Golden:”NASA is too Male…Pale and Old”….

    Does Dan Golden believe that Israel’s Space Program is to Jewish….Male…Pale…and Old?

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  14. I’ve said it before…

    The gods on Mt. Olympus gave her the most brilliant political mind of her generation as a husband. The Fates thwarted their plan by rendering her deaf to his words.

    The Ancient Greeks would have relished it.

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    • Agree: Chrisnonymous, anonguy
    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Only so much greatness can be thrust upon one so shrewishly untamed.
    , @Olorin
    A certain Duke of Gloucester, too.

    And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
    To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
    I am determined to prove a villain
    And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
    Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
    By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
    To set my brother Clarence and the king
    In deadly hate the one against the other:
    And if King Edward be as true and just
    As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
    This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up,
    About a prophecy, which says that 'G'
    Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
    Dive, thoughts, down to my soul...
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  15. @Big Al
    How can anyone forget the Clinton rallying of 1992: "It's the economy, stupid". Always has been and always will be.

    How can anyone forget the Clinton rallying of 1992: “It’s the economy, stupid”.

    At the time, we didn’t realize he was addressing his wife.

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    • LOL: Light Roast
    • Replies: @woodNfish

    Hillary and her people weren’t listening to anything he said.
     
    Hillary couldn't hear anything Bill was saying because Huma's thighs were blocking her ears.
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  16. Bill Clinton lives in his own Presidential Library? That’s…odd.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's kind of like in "James and the Giant Peach," where James lives happily ever after inside the Giant Peach in its resting place in Central Park.
    , @Father O'Hara
    If those walls could talk...
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  17. @Trumpenprole

    "Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock."
     
    It looks like a trailer!

    Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It’s crept into Chattanooga, for one.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It’s crept into Chattanooga, for one.
     
    Back in 2004, the NYT architecture critic summed up, with a zinger, the design of the building and the man it honors .

    Mr. Clinton is a fervent Elvis fan, and as with Elvis, there has always been something subversively seductive about his character. The library's design, by comparison, stays carefully on the surface. It is the difference, to paraphrase that wonderful line from the critic Dave Hickey, between the genuine rhinestone and the imitation pearl.
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/25/arts/design/an-earnest-building-for-a-complex-president.html?_r=0
    , @S. Anonyia
    Also all over Nashville, Athens GA, Tuscaloosa, Asheville NC.

    Any "up and coming" Southern city or major college town has new apartments built in this style.
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  18. I wonder if Hillary was planning on getting a coffee mug that said “Bill’s tears.”

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  19. So Bill got it all right. The funniest thing about this election’s aftermath is realizing that if he had run again, he would have won, again. Goes to show that being married to an extraordinarily skilled and intuitive politician does not make you one.

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    I wonder if she was trying to step out from his shadow. And oh, she failed, she needed his shadow. Maybe added extra ginger to her screaming.
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  20. @candid_observer
    This is a very plausible story.

    But is it a true one?

    I don't know how many "insider" stories like this -- from anonymous sources of course -- I've read over the years that never seem to get confirmed, and which, often, contradict each other.

    It sounds like a journalist trying to sound like Bill and failing. Also I really have a hard time seeing how Hillary going to Chicago and condemning black on black violence would help in the slightest. I mean, I’d like it, but I wasn’t going to vote for her anyway.

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    • Replies: @Marty
    Bill used to say, "I understand black people." I believe it, and he'd know it would have been useless for Hillary to try to counsel or cajole blacks on internecine violence.
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  21. @wren
    Hillary had her chance to get back at him, too.

    www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/15/hillary-clinton-screaming-obscenities-and-throwing-objects-in-election-night-meltdown/

    This is the second article I have seen that describes the Empress’ election night Elizabeth I/Henry II/Ivan the Terrible breakdown. It will be a worthy third act for the biopic “Bad Hill Wanting” starring Helen Mirren as Hillary and (help me out) some tall fat guy as Bubba.

    (The above scene in the Arkansas penthouse trailer will mark the end of the second act.)

    “I could have been a contender!” she screams, as she throws a glass, in a kind of cross of Claire Trevor in “Key Largo”, Liz Taylor in “Virginia Woolf”, Faye Dunaway in “Mommie Dearest”, then, as she throws the empty bottle at her most trusted advisers, it smashes the mirror, and with some effects from “Tommy” she finally sees herself as she really is (NB: Portrait of Hillary Grey alternate title?!? or “The Fatal Skin” by Balzac? Working on it.) and slips into a Blanche Dubois /Kat Hepburn “Long Day’s Journey” monologue.)

    In terms of the article: Has anyone actually found the phone? That SIM card must be loaded.

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    • LOL: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @Lurker
    It could end with Hillary dying in hail of bullets as she fights it out with a gang of hit men employed by disgruntled, out-of-pocket donors to the foundation.

    Just throwing out ideas here.

    In terms of the article: Has anyone actually found the phone? That SIM card must be loaded.

    Just what I wondered too.
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  22. Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    “Let the good times roll” is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.

    Start listening at around 5:07.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race."

    Glenn Beck resides in an extremely affluent suburb of Dallas called Westlake which is a whopping 95 percent Non Hispanic White.

    Glenn Beck resides in area that is Whiter than the New York City neighborhood where Trump Tower is located at. I'm pretty sure the zip code where Trump Tower is located at is not 95 Non Hispanic percent White.

    , @candid_observer
    One of the ironies of all the current attacks from the left on Trump and Bannon is that, if they fail to bring Trump down -- and what can they do to bring him down at this stage as a President Elect? -- then they end up detoxifying the very things on which they attack him. If Trump goes on to pass a good portion of the agenda he's signed onto -- which he should be able to do with a Republican Congress -- he's going to be perceived by the majority of the public as a success. The things for which he was attacked will seem then, and thenceforth, to be of little consequence to most people.

    In general, I see the two polarized cultures of the PC elites on the one hand and middle America on the other hand as going in opposite directions, and getting yet more polarized. The elites just can't believe that their calling out this person or that as a racist or bigot or misogynist might be survivable by that person. They've worked these categories into such potent taboos in their own minds that such impunity seems unthinkable. Doubling down on them is their only choice psychologically -- it's beyond reason or practical consequence at this point, as is true of any dogmatic religion. Those not on board with the hysteria, though, will simply drift further and further away from accepting those taboos, or even seeing them as personally dangerous to flout.

    Point is, as ugly as things have been, we should expect uglier still.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    YouTube commenter Alex S:

    the one on the left looks like a greedy seagull eating a plastic
    bottle cap
     
    , @Another Canadian
    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What's happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

    , @Mr. Anon
    Glenn Beck to Anderson Cooper: "I don't have credibility with your viewers".

    Glenn Beck doesn't have credibility with any viewers anywhere, does he?

    Beck, shameless and feckless opportunist that he is, is beginning his transformation leftward. He will never be taken seriously (or even taken at all, for that matter) by people on the right. His only hope now for relevance is to become an ex-right-winger-turned-left-winger, like David Brock. I expect we'll see him within a couple of years as a regular on CNN or MSNBC.
    , @Marat
    Beck is a natural fit for CNN, but he'll have to lose that nasty Christmas tree.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Glenn Beck was never playing with a full deck, but it looks like he's down to a joker and a pair of twos. What audience has he been trying to appeal to since Trump was nominated? Here was what was written about him a few days ago:

    Beck went even further in the interview, saying President Obama "made me a better man." This is the man who called Obama a Marxist, a racist with a "deep-seated hatred for white people" and who once asked a guest if Obama might be the Antichrist.

    "I did a lot of freaking out about Barack Obama," Beck conceded to The New Yorker. He said he regrets calling the president a racist and he said he considers himself a Black Lives Matter supporter.
     
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  23. No surprise that the man haters wouldn’t listen to a man.

    Why does the daily mail repeat the same lines over and over in their articles? It’s annoying.

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  24. @PiltdownMan
    I've said it before...

    The gods on Mt. Olympus gave her the most brilliant political mind of her generation as a husband. The Fates thwarted their plan by rendering her deaf to his words.

    The Ancient Greeks would have relished it.

    Only so much greatness can be thrust upon one so shrewishly untamed.

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    Very good.
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  25. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    BEST ELECTION EVER, continued:

    SJW protesting Trump gets slammed down steps by lefty autistic idiot who angrily mistook him for a Trump supporter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb_CBJsKZ0

    So, in other words, if you attack someone who is anti-Trump, but you yourself are also anti-Trump, no foul. But not the other way around ……

    That reminds me of the news story from about 35 years ago where two brothers were arguing about the meaning of Thanksgiving and one brother said the Pilgrims and the other brother said Columbus. And the one who said it was for Columbus killed his brother with a pitchfork.

    The truth is no defense, your honor!

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  26. So basically, the SJWs drove Hillary 2016 off a cliff, pretty much like what they’re doing to themselves in the aftermath.

    Bonus: rumors that Hillary went into a drunken rage, attacked Mook and Podesta, had to be restrained and sedated on election night. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/report-hillary-clinton-became-physically-violent-election-night-tore-robby-mook-john-podesta/

    As the candidate goes, so goes her followers.

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    (overheard)

    "This story of Hillary on Election Night is already legendary stuff. Get me Meryl! (Streep) We need top flight talent here! Can Meryl do Hillary's black accent?!? Schedule a screen test for Miley Cyrus for the young Hillary. Maybe Sally Fields? "They hate me! They really hate me!" sounds like a good line for the climax.

    Producers are insisting on an explosive final scene like the limo getting hit by the train in "Eraser" -- can we work in some European actor to play Soros? No? Ben Affleck? Armand Assante? Perfect! We're going to need weapons ..... how about we knock off some key DNC personnel in the first act, before anyone knows what's going on? You know, fake mugging in Geogetown or something. A slo mo explosion at the Ecuadorian embassy middle of Act II? Julian Assange, drone hit, that sort of thing. Product placement for Amazon, of course. Act II will be all about wikileaks, the emails. Who's gonna play the kinky Yugoslav spirit chef, or whatever you call it? No, only diluted milk for the semen and breast milk. 2%? Check.

    Who do we get to play Alicia Machado? Anthony Weiner? Huma? And who's doing Bill?!?"

    In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. Please, just keep it going, so the GOP can sweep in 2018 and 2020 ......

    https://medium.com/@brookeanastacia/democrats-cant-have-both-4e29c5f4122a#.qkri3wa0l
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  27. @inertial
    Bill Clinton lives in his own Presidential Library? That's...odd.

    It’s kind of like in “James and the Giant Peach,” where James lives happily ever after inside the Giant Peach in its resting place in Central Park.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    LOL OF THE WEEK:



    "...From this angle, Bill’s library kind of looks like a trailer park version of the AT-AT Imperial Walkers in The Empire Strikes Back."

     

    And that Fabulous Prefab was also paid by some extremely generous moolah contributions of both Jawas and Sand People.
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  28. Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign’s Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it’s hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant. A few newspapers had to hastily edit their pre-written pieces about Ada in order to explain why it didn’t work. The second is that it’s surprising the Clinton’s have a condo near the River Market instead of a mansion in the Heights. Then again, Ted Danson has a condo around there (his wife is from Little Rock), so maybe there’s a secret celebrity enclave in Little Rock for folks who want to get away from New York and LA.

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    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign’s Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it’s hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant.
     
    I always thought Clinton's political acumen was more hype than reality - hype as the product of fellow Boomers in the media identifying with him as a cultural avatar turning the page on the WWII generation. He did not win 50% of the popular vote in either Presidential election.

    In any event, does it take a political genius to figure you should not write off 65+% of the electorate and instead campaign where they're thick on the ground to the tune of about 65 electoral votes? If you were from Mars and someone explained the electoral system and demographics of the U.S. to you, you'd probably come up with the Trump strategy in an afternoon.
    , @Chase
    It's also hilarious that the most data-driven campaign was undone by its own data compiled by the exact same sorts of people.

    The pollsters were acting like politicians, shamelessly manipulating the polls with +absurd D samples, thinking there were doing the campaign's bidding. Meanwhile the campaign is taking the data and treating it like the word of God.
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  29. Hillary could not make the economy centrepiece of her campaign because it was already well known how much money she was getting from Wall Street and other billionaires. Even if she somehow managed to get away with who was funding her, the media was selling the narrative of the endlessly rising stock markets and the endlessly declining unemployment rates, for her to go against this would mean she would become a media pariah, and there is no way she would have ever dare become that.

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  30. @penntothal
    I hope #arkansaspenthouse gains traction. It could be used as a new shorthand reference for:

    1. Destination (actual or symbolic) of washed-up leftist politicians after electoral defeat.

    OR

    2. Randy mens' magazine featuring layouts of Bill's conquests from the early years.

    Caution, trigger warning for Arkansas Penthouse contents.
    There might be a need for a brown paper bag meme as that fits in various ways – magazine cover, two banger for Bill’s, ahem, conquests, etc

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  31. I’ve been looking at pics of the penthouse. It must be like living on top of an airport terminal. There appears to be a major road nearby but not much else. Although, according to Google maps, there is something called heifer village close by. A reference to the ex-presidential harem?

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    "I’ve been looking at pics of the penthouse. It must be like living on top of an airport terminal. There appears to be a major road nearby but not much else. Although, according to Google maps, there is something called heifer village close by. A reference to the ex-presidential harem?"

    It takes a village..........
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  32. Richard Spencer banned from Twitter

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    Mansplain reporting: Coincidental with the snowplow issues, or with other indicators of pending Swedish cultural genocide?
    , @guest
    Newsflash: women talk a lot and don't like it when men interrupt them.

    This is exactly what we should have expected when we unchained them, let them out of the kitchen, gave them shoes, and stopped raping them every free minute so they could catch their breath and participate meaningfully and independently in the larger social world. It's only a matter of time before we will be forced to actually care about their endless yammering.
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  34. @SPMoore8
    This is the second article I have seen that describes the Empress' election night Elizabeth I/Henry II/Ivan the Terrible breakdown. It will be a worthy third act for the biopic "Bad Hill Wanting" starring Helen Mirren as Hillary and (help me out) some tall fat guy as Bubba.

    (The above scene in the Arkansas penthouse trailer will mark the end of the second act.)

    "I could have been a contender!" she screams, as she throws a glass, in a kind of cross of Claire Trevor in "Key Largo", Liz Taylor in "Virginia Woolf", Faye Dunaway in "Mommie Dearest", then, as she throws the empty bottle at her most trusted advisers, it smashes the mirror, and with some effects from "Tommy" she finally sees herself as she really is (NB: Portrait of Hillary Grey alternate title?!? or "The Fatal Skin" by Balzac? Working on it.) and slips into a Blanche Dubois /Kat Hepburn "Long Day's Journey" monologue.)

    In terms of the article: Has anyone actually found the phone? That SIM card must be loaded.

    It could end with Hillary dying in hail of bullets as she fights it out with a gang of hit men employed by disgruntled, out-of-pocket donors to the foundation.

    Just throwing out ideas here.

    In terms of the article: Has anyone actually found the phone? That SIM card must be loaded.

    Just what I wondered too.

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  35. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    “Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.”

    Glenn Beck resides in an extremely affluent suburb of Dallas called Westlake which is a whopping 95 percent Non Hispanic White.

    Glenn Beck resides in area that is Whiter than the New York City neighborhood where Trump Tower is located at. I’m pretty sure the zip code where Trump Tower is located at is not 95 Non Hispanic percent White.

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  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What Bill overlooked is that Hillary just can’t hit it off with the white working class.

    She has no natural rapport with them.

    And if she brings up their pain, Trump can counter and blame her husband for Nafta and free trade and etc.

    I see Bill’s point, but she couldn’t run on this issue.

    She threw her lot in with identity politics of women, blacks, and homos. And she was too close to Goldman Sachs and attached to TPP to win on the issue of the forgotten worker.

    Also, she beat Sanders who ran left of her on labor issue, and she probably thought she could win over Trump too.

    When the dust settles, she will realize Obama stole her crown in 2008. And he was enabled by the very media that tried so hard to prop her up this time.

    But one difference between 2008 and 2016.

    In 2008, the media just ignored McCain and promoted Obama.

    In 2016, the media just ignored Hillary and vilified Trump.

    Vilification may have hurt Trump, but it also gave him free publicity and sympathy votes.

    Media had not much good things to say about Hillary but a lot of bad things to say about Trump. There was no sense of hope on Hillary side. It was not “Hillary is Great” but “Vote for Hillary even if she’s awful because Trump is Hitler and Godzilla.”

    PS. Bill must sometimes feel like Affleck in Gone Girl.

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    Godzilla Hitler would be a cool name.
    , @Captain Tripps
    In 2008, the Democrats could have nominated a corpse and it would have won. America was suffering Iraq Attaq fatigue (even though the Surge had largely succeeded by that point), and the economy was in freefall (remember the stone sober faces of Paulsen and every other so-called economic expert; they had very little idea how to stem the bleeding, and looked like deer in the headlights, so they came up with...bailout!). Even so, Obama only got 53% of the popular vote, largely because of the Halo effect and voter perception that the Democrats are the "party of the economy". The last 8 years have probably killed the 70-plus year perception that the Democratic Party is the party of the American worker and the economy. Bill Clinton's plain but simple truth spoken, that pretty much every US election is about the economy first (save for existential wars like 1861-1865 and 1941-1945), seems lost on the current and future generations of Democrat leaders.
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  37. Nicely played by Bill. His tabloid riff has gone public. Now he should study the Kardashians for (marketable!) exit strategies.

    Who cares that the Foundation is crumbling? It’s easy to pour a new slab.

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  38. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Don't know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It's crept into Chattanooga, for one.

    Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It’s crept into Chattanooga, for one.

    Back in 2004, the NYT architecture critic summed up, with a zinger, the design of the building and the man it honors .

    Mr. Clinton is a fervent Elvis fan, and as with Elvis, there has always been something subversively seductive about his character. The library’s design, by comparison, stays carefully on the surface. It is the difference, to paraphrase that wonderful line from the critic Dave Hickey, between the genuine rhinestone and the imitation pearl.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/25/arts/design/an-earnest-building-for-a-complex-president.html?_r=0

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    Well said.
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  39. It must not be forgotten that Hillary! is a complete and utter incompetent in virtually everything she does. Her list of screw ups and bungled operations is far too long to list here and most of us are familiar with at least some of them. In terms of politics the one right thing she ever did was marry BJ and doggedly stick to him despite her continual humiliation over his serial sexual encounters with women other than herself. That she chose to ignore the advice of a man who had risen from attorney general of a backwater southern state to twice winning the highest office in the land follows logically given her history of stupidity and malfeasance.

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    I'm not sure if this is true or just some MSM puffery to make the Clinton's look human: There was a persistent rumor back when the Clintons first weaseled their way into the White House that Slick Willy had been very reluctant to shoot for the moon. The rumor claims that it was the little woman who saw the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presented by Bush the Elder's pathetic campaign and the very weak dimocrat primary field. She had to persuade Willy to run. How ironic if Slick Willy gained the White House by heeding his wife's advice and his wife lost it by failing to heed his.
    , @anonguy

    That she chose to ignore the advice of a man who had risen from attorney general of a backwater southern state to twice winning the highest office in the land follows logically given her history of stupidity and malfeasance.
     
    Hillary has been blinded by feminist ideology. Go look at my earlier comments explaining how her side had fallen to a common (negative) side effect of being propagandists, which is believing your own propaganda.
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  40. Bill and Hillary had a vicious fight over the phone over who to blame for her sagging poll numbers, reveals a source close to the ex-president

    Wow, Bill really wanted to get back in the White House, and bad. He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.

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    He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.
     
    They say power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, surely being the male spouse to the president probably has the complete opposite affect, it must be the ultimate turn off. Being the first husband, he would have as much attractive appeal to females as Denis Thatcher did.
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  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Despite more and more government assistance, black weren’t economically any better off, and black-on-black crime was destroying their communities. He said Hillary should have gone into the South Side of Chicago and condemned the out-of-control violence.’ …

    In a sane world, yes.

    But not when the black community is flipping out about BLM and when Obama fanned the flames. When blacks were attacking Clinton’s 90s policy of locking up black males, when even Bill apologized for it, and when Hillary had to eat her words about ‘superpredators’, it just wasn’t in the cards for Hillary to appeal to blacks with the crime issue.

    Also, blacks, having lost out to gentrification, settled on Cops Killing Innocent Blacks as the centerpiece of their narrative to pressure white/Jewish elites in cities.

    Bill Clinton should actually be happy that Hillary lost.

    Who the hell wants to be the First Hubby?

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    Also, blacks, having lost out to gentrification, settled on Cops Killing Innocent Blacks as the centerpiece of their narrative to pressure white/Jewish elites in cities.
     
    Blacks did nothing of the sort.

    Whatever their faults, choosing and enforcing narratives is not one of them.

    BLM was conceived by, uh, someone else.

    As our host has noted, black crime is the boring kind not the intriguing kind.
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  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    One of the ironies of all the current attacks from the left on Trump and Bannon is that, if they fail to bring Trump down — and what can they do to bring him down at this stage as a President Elect? — then they end up detoxifying the very things on which they attack him. If Trump goes on to pass a good portion of the agenda he’s signed onto — which he should be able to do with a Republican Congress — he’s going to be perceived by the majority of the public as a success. The things for which he was attacked will seem then, and thenceforth, to be of little consequence to most people.

    In general, I see the two polarized cultures of the PC elites on the one hand and middle America on the other hand as going in opposite directions, and getting yet more polarized. The elites just can’t believe that their calling out this person or that as a racist or bigot or misogynist might be survivable by that person. They’ve worked these categories into such potent taboos in their own minds that such impunity seems unthinkable. Doubling down on them is their only choice psychologically — it’s beyond reason or practical consequence at this point, as is true of any dogmatic religion. Those not on board with the hysteria, though, will simply drift further and further away from accepting those taboos, or even seeing them as personally dangerous to flout.

    Point is, as ugly as things have been, we should expect uglier still.

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  43. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    YouTube commenter Alex S:

    the one on the left looks like a greedy seagull eating a plastic
    bottle cap

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  44. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Don't know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It's crept into Chattanooga, for one.

    Also all over Nashville, Athens GA, Tuscaloosa, Asheville NC.

    Any “up and coming” Southern city or major college town has new apartments built in this style.

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  45. @inertial
    Bill Clinton lives in his own Presidential Library? That's...odd.

    If those walls could talk…

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    If my luxury penthouse by my Presidential Library is a-rocking --
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  46. Trump should put his library in the lobby of Trump Tower.

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    Excellent Idea!
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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/14/calls-to-crisis-hotlines-have-spiked-since-trumps-election-chicago-health-officials/

    I think future elections will have to come with trigger warnings.

    PC made so many people so self-righteous and infatuated with their own ‘virtue’ that they cannot ponder any alternative outcome.

    Worse, are these clowns aware of how Hillary destroyed countless lives in the Middle East and North Africa with her wars?

    These progs claim to care about humanity but are so provincial.

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    PC made so many people so self-righteous and infatuated with their own ‘virtue’ that they cannot ponder any alternative outcome.
     
    I once made significant progress with a schizophrenic friend and I can say that talking her around her delusions was a lot simpler than talking down PC types usually is, many have suffered under a program of lifelong, incessant propaganda bombardment.

    I'm glad you said "PC made" rather than "PC makes", love that past tense.
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  48. @PiltdownMan

    Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this cantilevered glass, steel, and wood beam stuff is getting to be architectural thing in some Southern cities. It’s crept into Chattanooga, for one.
     
    Back in 2004, the NYT architecture critic summed up, with a zinger, the design of the building and the man it honors .

    Mr. Clinton is a fervent Elvis fan, and as with Elvis, there has always been something subversively seductive about his character. The library's design, by comparison, stays carefully on the surface. It is the difference, to paraphrase that wonderful line from the critic Dave Hickey, between the genuine rhinestone and the imitation pearl.
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/25/arts/design/an-earnest-building-for-a-complex-president.html?_r=0

    Well said.

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  49. It is hard to believe that Bill’s advice would have helped her. She wouldn’t be able to pull off the faux-empathy that Bubba did so smoothly. Imagine her standing with a group of miners, steelworkers, giving them a canned talk in her shrill style, trying to touch on points of fighting tax cuts for the rich, or investing in skills. etc. All horseshit given her known allegiance to the Wall St elites, to TPP, and to frivolous issues like transgender bathrooms. She would have been wicked uncomfortable in such a scenario, like Dracula being force-fed raw garlic.

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  50. I wonder about the size of the shitstorm if Trump brought Bill Clinton into his administration in some capacity.

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    Well, I guess he could be in charge of pap smears for American women, but the cigars might affect the results.
    , @The most deplorable one
    This is the Best. Election. Ever. It is still delivering dividends. It will likely still be delivering well into 2018.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Bill Clinton could actually be quite useful. As Steve has pointed out several times, the looming population explosion in Africa needs to be addressed. Half of the solution is border control, but the other half is dealing with Africa. I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc, and he could be useful in coordinating with other countries, celebrities, etc. He could be "Africa Czar". From first African-American President to first Africa Czar. He would never go for it though.
    , @Bill Jones
    For some reason the Department of the Interior springs to mind,
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  51. @Thomas
    So basically, the SJWs drove Hillary 2016 off a cliff, pretty much like what they're doing to themselves in the aftermath.

    Bonus: rumors that Hillary went into a drunken rage, attacked Mook and Podesta, had to be restrained and sedated on election night. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/report-hillary-clinton-became-physically-violent-election-night-tore-robby-mook-john-podesta/

    As the candidate goes, so goes her followers.

    (overheard)

    “This story of Hillary on Election Night is already legendary stuff. Get me Meryl! (Streep) We need top flight talent here! Can Meryl do Hillary’s black accent?!? Schedule a screen test for Miley Cyrus for the young Hillary. Maybe Sally Fields? “They hate me! They really hate me!” sounds like a good line for the climax.

    Producers are insisting on an explosive final scene like the limo getting hit by the train in “Eraser” — can we work in some European actor to play Soros? No? Ben Affleck? Armand Assante? Perfect! We’re going to need weapons ….. how about we knock off some key DNC personnel in the first act, before anyone knows what’s going on? You know, fake mugging in Geogetown or something. A slo mo explosion at the Ecuadorian embassy middle of Act II? Julian Assange, drone hit, that sort of thing. Product placement for Amazon, of course. Act II will be all about wikileaks, the emails. Who’s gonna play the kinky Yugoslav spirit chef, or whatever you call it? No, only diluted milk for the semen and breast milk. 2%? Check.

    Who do we get to play Alicia Machado? Anthony Weiner? Huma? And who’s doing Bill?!?”

    In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. Please, just keep it going, so the GOP can sweep in 2018 and 2020 ……

    https://medium.com/@brookeanastacia/democrats-cant-have-both-4e29c5f4122a#.qkri3wa0l

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    "In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. "

    Uh, what does that mean exactly? I really can't parse this. Do black people not eat cheesecake? I'm aware of the hate for mayonnaise, are we talking cream cheese too? Seen lots of black people eat lots of desserts. Had no idea cheesecake was the sign of the oreo.

    Actually... I'm pretty sure I've seen black people pick up those turtle cheesecakes or whatever it is at Sam's Club. So I guess I'm not getting this reference.
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  52. “He claimed the three were tone-deaf about the feeble economy and its impact on millions and millions of working-class voters”

    … Is Bill a secret trump voter? Or is he like Michael Moore Chris matthews, white male subconscious trumpkins who can’t come to terms with the fact that they’re trump voters.

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  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What’s happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

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    "What’s happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there."

    He is a babbling idiot.
    , @Bugg
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but when wasn't Glenn Beck a babbling idjit?

    The Clinton campaign made a decision very early that their campaign would be about badmouthing Trump 24/7. There was nothing else to the campaign strategy. And saying anything about the economy would alienate Obama and the African-Americans. Clearly the Clinton campaign foolishly believed their black turnout would approach that of Obama in 2008 and 2012 because data or something.

    Bill Clinton might have been an asset, but he is also a rapist, which is kind of a problem. Somebody among Mook (and what a mook he is!) and black mass Podesta figured the rapist negatives outweighed pissing off Obama and the black base. But again what kind of babbling idjits are these people that they ever thought black people cared about Being With Her? Simply they needed a Director of Common Sense who told them there was no fvkcing way that would happen.
    , @Bill P
    Anderson Cooper has been "very respectful" toward Glenn Beck lately. I heard it straight from the horse's mouth. I live in Beck's hometown, and the local conservative talk radio station just pulled his show and replaced him with Lars Larson. Maybe Glenn's sticking his toe out of the closet.

    As far as I can tell, Glenn's an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails. This is often a problem with converts, although I'm sure most are perfectly sincere and closer to normal.

    Beck's talented, but he's so starved for attention that he often comes across as a toddler pitching fits and reaching out for validation wherever he can. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. If he goes to work for the SPLC it's a good thing for us.

    Mormons would be wise to distance themselves from him. Never know what he'll do or say next, after all.
    , @Olorin

    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.
     
    Does this mean our host can also expect to have his Twitter account suspended?
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  54. 1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.

    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.

    3. Hated it at the time but Bill Clinton is a genius. I would not be surprised if he walked around in his day at a 160.

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.

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    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes
     
    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you'd have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.
    , @Clyde

    1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.
    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.
     
    You sir are correct. Bill's mind ain't what it used to be. Called pump head
    __________
    Pump Head - Cognitive Impairment After Bypass Surgery
    Here is an important update on pump head, based on more recent evidence. A study from Duke University, published in the New England Journal of Medicine in February ... https://goo.gl/ePq7zs
    , @Captain Tripps

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.
     
    Yes, Reagan (though I am not a Reagan Nostalgist). Not sure about his IQ (probably not as high as Clinton's, but higher than his enemies thought); like Clinton, Reagan had that Irish "gift of gab" as well; he was married twice, and worked in Hollywood for quite a while, so I'm sure he did fine with the ladies, although that America had a different moral standard.

    Plus, Reagan was elected by majorities that Clinton could only dream of; he really was that popular, not the "presidential approval poll" popular that was always cited for Clinton in the 90s. In contrast, Clinton never broke 50% to get elected. When Reagan died, there was a genuine sense of national loss. Reagan had a naturally and genuinely positive personality (happy-go-lucky Irishman?), which was a net benefit along with his political instincts.

    I'll grant you that Bubba has an affable personality, but he always came across to me as a likeable huckster, someone who I'd probably enjoy listening to, but on guard for my wallet and my women. I get the sense when watching him that he's continually scheming while he looks at you. When he passes to the great Beyond, I'll say a prayer for his soul and comfort for his family, but I will not feel the same as when Reagan passed.

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  55. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    BEST ELECTION EVER, continued:

    SJW protesting Trump gets slammed down steps by lefty autistic idiot who angrily mistook him for a Trump supporter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb_CBJsKZ0

    I jut saw a Fox report on this video. The reporter,one Trace Gallagher,didn’t mention that the goofy guy was highly anti Trump,and was doing an own goal! He flat out lied,giving the impression that this was a Trumper! SMDH!

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  56. @J1234

    Bill and Hillary had a vicious fight over the phone over who to blame for her sagging poll numbers, reveals a source close to the ex-president
     
    Wow, Bill really wanted to get back in the White House, and bad. He must've had some really awesome interns lined up.

    He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.

    They say power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, surely being the male spouse to the president probably has the complete opposite affect, it must be the ultimate turn off. Being the first husband, he would have as much attractive appeal to females as Denis Thatcher did.

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    Well, look at him, he's a shell of his former self, but he had no shortage of female company in Chappaqua. He'd moved on to older, more discreet talent. Hey, get a chick on a private plane, run around with your celebrity pals, they'll spread. But mess with the true beauties and they also talk. Social media really messes with a married celebrity's fun n' games.
    , @guest
    Power is not the "ultimate" aphrodisiac. Fame is better. Famous people with no power whatsoever, and frankly nothing else going for them, get action.
    , @Forbes
    No one would ever address Denis Thatcher as Mr. President...
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  57. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    Glenn Beck to Anderson Cooper: “I don’t have credibility with your viewers”.

    Glenn Beck doesn’t have credibility with any viewers anywhere, does he?

    Beck, shameless and feckless opportunist that he is, is beginning his transformation leftward. He will never be taken seriously (or even taken at all, for that matter) by people on the right. His only hope now for relevance is to become an ex-right-winger-turned-left-winger, like David Brock. I expect we’ll see him within a couple of years as a regular on CNN or MSNBC.

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  58. @Another Canadian
    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What's happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

    “What’s happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.”

    He is a babbling idiot.

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  59. @Desert Rat
    It must not be forgotten that Hillary! is a complete and utter incompetent in virtually everything she does. Her list of screw ups and bungled operations is far too long to list here and most of us are familiar with at least some of them. In terms of politics the one right thing she ever did was marry BJ and doggedly stick to him despite her continual humiliation over his serial sexual encounters with women other than herself. That she chose to ignore the advice of a man who had risen from attorney general of a backwater southern state to twice winning the highest office in the land follows logically given her history of stupidity and malfeasance.

    I’m not sure if this is true or just some MSM puffery to make the Clinton’s look human: There was a persistent rumor back when the Clintons first weaseled their way into the White House that Slick Willy had been very reluctant to shoot for the moon. The rumor claims that it was the little woman who saw the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presented by Bush the Elder’s pathetic campaign and the very weak dimocrat primary field. She had to persuade Willy to run. How ironic if Slick Willy gained the White House by heeding his wife’s advice and his wife lost it by failing to heed his.

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    I'm not sure about that. Anyone who chooses to run for governor has a lot more ambition than your average guy, and I'd be surprised if Bill wasn't thinking about the presidency once he'd climbed a rung up.

    Ambitious people have ambitions.
    , @The Man From K Street
    Oh he wanted to be President. It's just that he thought he would run and lose in 1992, but do respectably enough that he could run again in 1996 (and win). The idea was that he would then be the literal "bridge to the new century" by having the last term of the 20th century and the first of the 21st.

    Then, at some point in the spring he realized he could win it all in the first attempt. Sort of like Trump--I think when he first announced he was not seriously expecting to get the nomination, let alone the Oval Office. But once he saw how he could beat the sixteen dwarves, he was "in it to win it" 100%.
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  60. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    Beck is a natural fit for CNN, but he’ll have to lose that nasty Christmas tree.

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    Beck used to be on CNN before, playing the acceptable right winger.
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  61. @Anonymous
    It is kind of bizarre that they would sideline one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around.

    Not that strange when you think about the psychological drive of HRC. She would already have felt that she wasn’t really the first woman president, but just Bill’s wife. Having him drag her across the line in addition was just too much to bear.

    I’m not sure there is any explanation other than that. Generally, I would put Bill as less out of touch than #SpiritCooking Podesta.

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  62. @Lurker
    I've been looking at pics of the penthouse. It must be like living on top of an airport terminal. There appears to be a major road nearby but not much else. Although, according to Google maps, there is something called heifer village close by. A reference to the ex-presidential harem?

    “I’ve been looking at pics of the penthouse. It must be like living on top of an airport terminal. There appears to be a major road nearby but not much else. Although, according to Google maps, there is something called heifer village close by. A reference to the ex-presidential harem?”

    It takes a village……….

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  63. @Jack Hanson
    I wonder about the size of the shitstorm if Trump brought Bill Clinton into his administration in some capacity.

    Well, I guess he could be in charge of pap smears for American women, but the cigars might affect the results.

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  64. @keypusher
    It sounds like a journalist trying to sound like Bill and failing. Also I really have a hard time seeing how Hillary going to Chicago and condemning black on black violence would help in the slightest. I mean, I'd like it, but I wasn't going to vote for her anyway.

    Bill used to say, “I understand black people.” I believe it, and he’d know it would have been useless for Hillary to try to counsel or cajole blacks on internecine violence.

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  65. @Jack Hanson
    I wonder about the size of the shitstorm if Trump brought Bill Clinton into his administration in some capacity.

    This is the Best. Election. Ever. It is still delivering dividends. It will likely still be delivering well into 2018.

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  66. This “story” from England is nonsense. How on earth could HRC focus on the economy and what she planned to do to “help” the middle class and blacks? She and the cigar man were thoroughly exposed as greedy, complicit, corporate pigs of the vilest nature. And I’m supposed to believe he was telling her to chat up jobs? Snow jobs…. And go into Chiraq? Puleaze. This was planted by the Daily Mail to make cigar man feel good. Maybe the reporter gets a free ride on the pedophile plane’s next trip….

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    I'm thinking this story is BS too. Who throws a phone off a roof?
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    Glen Beck has become David Brock.
    He’s beyond desperate.
    He looks physically ill as well.
    I saw interview and laughed when he “revealed” the 2 names, So now the Cats outa the bag.
    Everyone will be clamoring to read steve’s stuff.
    Watch what you wish for.

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    I've always believed Beck is bi-polar. If we're to believe him, he goes for long period in which he hasn't slept; having watched him on his old Fox show, he demonstrated pressure of speech.
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  68. @Aristippus
    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign's Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it's hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant. A few newspapers had to hastily edit their pre-written pieces about Ada in order to explain why it didn't work. The second is that it's surprising the Clinton's have a condo near the River Market instead of a mansion in the Heights. Then again, Ted Danson has a condo around there (his wife is from Little Rock), so maybe there's a secret celebrity enclave in Little Rock for folks who want to get away from New York and LA.

    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign’s Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it’s hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant.

    I always thought Clinton’s political acumen was more hype than reality – hype as the product of fellow Boomers in the media identifying with him as a cultural avatar turning the page on the WWII generation. He did not win 50% of the popular vote in either Presidential election.

    In any event, does it take a political genius to figure you should not write off 65+% of the electorate and instead campaign where they’re thick on the ground to the tune of about 65 electoral votes? If you were from Mars and someone explained the electoral system and demographics of the U.S. to you, you’d probably come up with the Trump strategy in an afternoon.

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    Yeah, Bush I ran a pathetic campaign and Bob Dole ..... well ......
    , @Aristippus
    In fairness, Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in '92 and almost 10% in '96 (in which Bill also got 49% and some change), so those were kind of weird elections. Maybe because I'm a millennial, so I was just a child during the Clinton administration, but the man seemed to ooze charisma. In fairness, I did recently watch a compilation of Norm Macdonald's Weekend Update burns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGY7jzq9pQI) on the Clintons, so it's nice to see some vintage criticism. Bill seemed to be able to bullshit most people and get away with it.
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  69. @wren
    Hillary had her chance to get back at him, too.

    www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/15/hillary-clinton-screaming-obscenities-and-throwing-objects-in-election-night-meltdown/

    This is the second story (probably leaked by Bill) about how Hillary lost because she wouldn’t listen to Bill.

    Thanksgiving dinner is going to be very awkward at the Clinton’s this year.

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    They really don't seem like a couple that is very close. I mean, you don't have a convo like this a week before election .....

    What it really suggests to me is that Bill is trying to come out of this smelling like a rose. Which also doesn't indicate any particular closeness.
    , @Anon
    I think there's a factor in Bill and Obama of their being weary of 'everything being about Hillary.' They prefer to have the limelight themselves, and neither was happy about being eclipsed by her in the political sense, especially since they both know her well enough to be glaringly aware of her flaws. They know she was a lousy candidate, and they tried to prop her up the best they can, and now they're kind of glad they can let go and let her flop to the ground.

    If Hillary weren't such a hardass and a shrew, I think they'd be nicer to her.
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  70. @candid_observer
    This is a very plausible story.

    But is it a true one?

    I don't know how many "insider" stories like this -- from anonymous sources of course -- I've read over the years that never seem to get confirmed, and which, often, contradict each other.

    Personally I’ve wondered about this one for a long time.

    “The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
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    .
    .
    “Danner, Mark (2007). “Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power”. in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn’t Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. “… the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove …”

    This is something that was around about 10 years ago during the height of the Iraq War nonsense.

    It sounds so f*#%ing stupid it could be true, you know?

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    Recently Karl Rove claimed that he never said this. As far as I know, he had hitherto let the story go unchallenged for a decade. A pro-Bush review of an anti-Bush biography quoted this denial and put the story in the same category as a more obviously false story in which Bush lectured Jacques Chirac about Biblical prophecy. That was a great surprise to me - in my experience liberal and (however reluctantly) conservative media had all previously accepted the story as true.
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  71. @Aristippus
    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign's Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it's hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant. A few newspapers had to hastily edit their pre-written pieces about Ada in order to explain why it didn't work. The second is that it's surprising the Clinton's have a condo near the River Market instead of a mansion in the Heights. Then again, Ted Danson has a condo around there (his wife is from Little Rock), so maybe there's a secret celebrity enclave in Little Rock for folks who want to get away from New York and LA.

    It’s also hilarious that the most data-driven campaign was undone by its own data compiled by the exact same sorts of people.

    The pollsters were acting like politicians, shamelessly manipulating the polls with +absurd D samples, thinking there were doing the campaign’s bidding. Meanwhile the campaign is taking the data and treating it like the word of God.

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    I don't think the pollsters were all acting in a crooked fashion trying to rig the election for Hillary with bad data. There were too many different actors without direct coordination for that to happen. Independent polling firms took a big hit to their credibility this election. Ironically, Trump supporters loved the LA Times/USC tracking poll and it was arguably, once the dust settled, the most inaccurate poll around. What's more likely is the pollsters had three big problems. The first was from demographic weighting. The last two elections with Obama saw historically high black turnout, so that screwed up polling and gave Hillary an edge because pollsters, based on the past two elections, assumed blacks would have the same high turnout, but they appear to have dropped back down closer to their historic levels in the last election. Similarly, pollsters expected women to have a higher relative turnout because they expected a greater enthusiasm to elect the first female president. The second is that the shy Trump voter, or generally shy right wing populist voter, effect seems to be real and that a significant percentage of the voting population does appear to be reticent about telling pollsters they support right wing populist movements like Trump and Brexit. The third issue is enthusiasm because very few Hillary voters were actually enthusiastic about her. She had support that was a "mile wide and an inch deep" and that came back to haunt her. Bill Mitchell, aka the anti Nate Silver, got a lot of flak talking about rally attendance and yard signs, but he was on to something. Online you have 4chan's /pol/ board and Reddit's r/The_Donald talking about being veterans of the Great Meme War (thanks to all their rare Pepes and campaigns like #SpiritCooking) and they exhibited outsized enthusiasm whereas the Clinton's campaign had to hire people like Correct the Record to "shill for Hill" and astroturf online support.
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  72. “He said Hillary should have gone into the South Side of Chicago and condemned the out-of-control violence.”

    There’s your explanation for the lack of a Sister Soulja moment last summer.

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    At the same time as climbing aboard the BLM wagon. Yeah, that makes sense...
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  73. @SPMoore8
    (overheard)

    "This story of Hillary on Election Night is already legendary stuff. Get me Meryl! (Streep) We need top flight talent here! Can Meryl do Hillary's black accent?!? Schedule a screen test for Miley Cyrus for the young Hillary. Maybe Sally Fields? "They hate me! They really hate me!" sounds like a good line for the climax.

    Producers are insisting on an explosive final scene like the limo getting hit by the train in "Eraser" -- can we work in some European actor to play Soros? No? Ben Affleck? Armand Assante? Perfect! We're going to need weapons ..... how about we knock off some key DNC personnel in the first act, before anyone knows what's going on? You know, fake mugging in Geogetown or something. A slo mo explosion at the Ecuadorian embassy middle of Act II? Julian Assange, drone hit, that sort of thing. Product placement for Amazon, of course. Act II will be all about wikileaks, the emails. Who's gonna play the kinky Yugoslav spirit chef, or whatever you call it? No, only diluted milk for the semen and breast milk. 2%? Check.

    Who do we get to play Alicia Machado? Anthony Weiner? Huma? And who's doing Bill?!?"

    In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. Please, just keep it going, so the GOP can sweep in 2018 and 2020 ......

    https://medium.com/@brookeanastacia/democrats-cant-have-both-4e29c5f4122a#.qkri3wa0l

    “In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. ”

    Uh, what does that mean exactly? I really can’t parse this. Do black people not eat cheesecake? I’m aware of the hate for mayonnaise, are we talking cream cheese too? Seen lots of black people eat lots of desserts. Had no idea cheesecake was the sign of the oreo.

    Actually… I’m pretty sure I’ve seen black people pick up those turtle cheesecakes or whatever it is at Sam’s Club. So I guess I’m not getting this reference.

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    Because if you actually read the article her resume in two places lists her love of cherry cheesecake as her prime recommendation. Must be some code there ....
    , @Coemgen
    The Urban Dictionary has a NSFW entry for cherry cheesecake.
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  74. @Anonymous
    It is kind of bizarre that they would sideline one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around.

    Usually politicians want to get MORE votes so they can WIN. But this Robby Mook kid seems to have had the novel idea that the Dems would make a new electoral coalition of gays, blacks, gays, women, gays, Hispanics, gays, illegals, gays, Muslims and gays. That way they wouldn’t owe anything to, for example, the white working class, and the election of Hillary, rather than being a feat of grubby politics, would instead be a kind of gay apotheosis.

    Almost worked, too.

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    Mook the "kid" may have had what is obviously a stupid strategy to us, but I really think you fail to understand how insular the 2016 leftist mind is. The intellectual inbreeding allows for stupid ideas to become exalted and reality to become the enemy. This isn't about him being young and gay although those may have been contributing factors. This is how the elites (and those who respect the elites) really think.
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  75. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    BEST ELECTION EVER, continued:

    SJW protesting Trump gets slammed down steps by lefty autistic idiot who angrily mistook him for a Trump supporter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb_CBJsKZ0

    On Megan Kelly, they just showed that clip and claimed it was a Trump supporter who tackled a ‘protestor’. They showed it to balance out the video of the 4-5 blacks who pummeled the white in Chicago. Trying to be fair and balanced I guess.

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    Seems to me that Megan Kelly is a talking head pundit, not a news reader-presenter. Her cable program isn't news, rather it's a format to showcase her as a television celebrity ("star"). Pure entertainment television--no different than clickbait on the internet.

    At least the networks run prime time entertainment programming that isn't mistaken as news.
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  76. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    BEST ELECTION EVER, continued:

    SJW protesting Trump gets slammed down steps by lefty autistic idiot who angrily mistook him for a Trump supporter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb_CBJsKZ0

    On tonight’s Fox show with Megyn Kelly, this video was shown as evidence of a Trump supporter attacking an anti-Trumper. It followed a video, one most of us have seen, of some black guys beating up a white guy for voting for Trump.

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    Hey, that's what I said.
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  77. Isn’t his a free perk. Does Clinton pay taxes on this?

    Related: Roy Cohn got in tax trouble living in his law office tax free.

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  78. @Anonymous
    ‘Despite more and more government assistance, black weren’t economically any better off, and black-on-black crime was destroying their communities. He said Hillary should have gone into the South Side of Chicago and condemned the out-of-control violence.’ …

    In a sane world, yes.

    But not when the black community is flipping out about BLM and when Obama fanned the flames. When blacks were attacking Clinton's 90s policy of locking up black males, when even Bill apologized for it, and when Hillary had to eat her words about 'superpredators', it just wasn't in the cards for Hillary to appeal to blacks with the crime issue.

    Also, blacks, having lost out to gentrification, settled on Cops Killing Innocent Blacks as the centerpiece of their narrative to pressure white/Jewish elites in cities.

    Bill Clinton should actually be happy that Hillary lost.

    Who the hell wants to be the First Hubby?

    Also, blacks, having lost out to gentrification, settled on Cops Killing Innocent Blacks as the centerpiece of their narrative to pressure white/Jewish elites in cities.

    Blacks did nothing of the sort.

    Whatever their faults, choosing and enforcing narratives is not one of them.

    BLM was conceived by, uh, someone else.

    As our host has noted, black crime is the boring kind not the intriguing kind.

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  79. @Sunbeam
    "In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. "

    Uh, what does that mean exactly? I really can't parse this. Do black people not eat cheesecake? I'm aware of the hate for mayonnaise, are we talking cream cheese too? Seen lots of black people eat lots of desserts. Had no idea cheesecake was the sign of the oreo.

    Actually... I'm pretty sure I've seen black people pick up those turtle cheesecakes or whatever it is at Sam's Club. So I guess I'm not getting this reference.

    Because if you actually read the article her resume in two places lists her love of cherry cheesecake as her prime recommendation. Must be some code there ….

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  80. @Another Canadian
    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What's happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but when wasn’t Glenn Beck a babbling idjit?

    The Clinton campaign made a decision very early that their campaign would be about badmouthing Trump 24/7. There was nothing else to the campaign strategy. And saying anything about the economy would alienate Obama and the African-Americans. Clearly the Clinton campaign foolishly believed their black turnout would approach that of Obama in 2008 and 2012 because data or something.

    Bill Clinton might have been an asset, but he is also a rapist, which is kind of a problem. Somebody among Mook (and what a mook he is!) and black mass Podesta figured the rapist negatives outweighed pissing off Obama and the black base. But again what kind of babbling idjits are these people that they ever thought black people cared about Being With Her? Simply they needed a Director of Common Sense who told them there was no fvkcing way that would happen.

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  81. @FactsAreImportant
    This is the second story (probably leaked by Bill) about how Hillary lost because she wouldn't listen to Bill.

    Thanksgiving dinner is going to be very awkward at the Clinton's this year.

    They really don’t seem like a couple that is very close. I mean, you don’t have a convo like this a week before election …..

    What it really suggests to me is that Bill is trying to come out of this smelling like a rose. Which also doesn’t indicate any particular closeness.

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    well, he is still locker room buddies at Trump's golf course and all. He knows Trump has now eclipsed him. Not only does Trump have a gorgeous FLOTUS (and wife #3) while waltzing into the WH, but his children & grands are so damn photogenic and smart, too! Trump trumped Bill!
    , @Forbes
    Uh, it was probably the moment they realized they might be losing the damn race. They ended up sending Kaine to Wisconsin after all. There was a lot of late campaign reshuffling of ad spending
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  82. @Anonymous
    It is kind of bizarre that they would sideline one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around.

    Maybe they didn’t. Maybe this story coming from a Bill Clinton operative is an opening salvo in an attempt to keep her failure from tainting his legacy.

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  83. @Trumpenprole

    "Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock."
     
    It looks like a trailer!

    I don’t know how luxurious anything in Little Rock, Arkansas could be, even theoretically. “Luxurious” is a marketing term aimed at the elite bi-coastal class, therefore anything in Arkansas is essentially the opposite of luxurious (trashy) by definition.

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    This is absolutely the dumbest comment I've read today.
    , @Patrick Harris
    Eh, somebody's got to live in Little Rock to be the Arkansas elite. Their tastes are probably different than the Park Slope set, but not as different as you might imagine.
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  84. @Jack Hanson
    I wonder about the size of the shitstorm if Trump brought Bill Clinton into his administration in some capacity.

    Bill Clinton could actually be quite useful. As Steve has pointed out several times, the looming population explosion in Africa needs to be addressed. Half of the solution is border control, but the other half is dealing with Africa. I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc, and he could be useful in coordinating with other countries, celebrities, etc. He could be “Africa Czar”. From first African-American President to first Africa Czar. He would never go for it though.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Appointing Bill Clinton and Bill Gates' wife to promote family planning in Africa would be good.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Bill Clinton renounces NAFTA and goes on a whirlwind charm tour to revitalize manufacturing across the Rust Belt by personally schmoozing the heads of automobile and heavy equipment manufacturers.

    He runs as mayor of Detroit and oversees it rising again as the Paris of the West.

    That'd be fun for him.
    , @Olorin

    I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc,
     
    I was given to understand that nothing he did with (((Monica))) risked fusing gametes.

    So yeah, he could serve in this advisory capacity.

    Then open a cigar factory.

    I ensnarken this and realize how much and far this trashy nasty couple has dragged our nation down.

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  85. @Dave Pinsen
    Trump should put his library in the lobby of Trump Tower.

    Excellent Idea!

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  86. @Another Canadian
    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What's happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

    Anderson Cooper has been “very respectful” toward Glenn Beck lately. I heard it straight from the horse’s mouth. I live in Beck’s hometown, and the local conservative talk radio station just pulled his show and replaced him with Lars Larson. Maybe Glenn’s sticking his toe out of the closet.

    As far as I can tell, Glenn’s an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails. This is often a problem with converts, although I’m sure most are perfectly sincere and closer to normal.

    Beck’s talented, but he’s so starved for attention that he often comes across as a toddler pitching fits and reaching out for validation wherever he can. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. If he goes to work for the SPLC it’s a good thing for us.

    Mormons would be wise to distance themselves from him. Never know what he’ll do or say next, after all.

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    Glenn’s an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails.

    The first clue that Glenn had gone off the rails was when he read the Mormon bible and said, "You know, this makes a lot of sense!"
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  87. @e
    On tonight's Fox show with Megyn Kelly, this video was shown as evidence of a Trump supporter attacking an anti-Trumper. It followed a video, one most of us have seen, of some black guys beating up a white guy for voting for Trump.

    Hey, that’s what I said.

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    Hey, that’s what I said.
     
    Given the 5-min edit window, I’d call it a ‘simulpost.’ After posting the OSU video, I refreshed the preceding “Staffing Open Thread” (which had no comments last I saw) and found that first post “Anonymous” beat me by 20 minutes (minus the ‘friendly fire’ video explanation). I had my comment ready to go since midday EST (via the Daily Mail).

    Looking upthread, Father O’Hara does the time warp ahead of you both due to Steve’s modding or the spam filter (?) coughing up submitted comments.

    A mystery to me is how some comments trickle in during the day while (I assume) Steve is sleeping. For example, in the “War on Thomas Jefferson” thread, Lagertha and SPMoore8 had comments approved that were timestamped after my pending comment, but the overall new comment volume was very low . . .
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  88. @Almost Missouri
    Usually politicians want to get MORE votes so they can WIN. But this Robby Mook kid seems to have had the novel idea that the Dems would make a new electoral coalition of gays, blacks, gays, women, gays, Hispanics, gays, illegals, gays, Muslims and gays. That way they wouldn't owe anything to, for example, the white working class, and the election of Hillary, rather than being a feat of grubby politics, would instead be a kind of gay apotheosis.

    Almost worked, too.

    Mook the “kid” may have had what is obviously a stupid strategy to us, but I really think you fail to understand how insular the 2016 leftist mind is. The intellectual inbreeding allows for stupid ideas to become exalted and reality to become the enemy. This isn’t about him being young and gay although those may have been contributing factors. This is how the elites (and those who respect the elites) really think.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "This is how the elites (and those who respect the elites) really think."
     
    Right, and the troubling part is that in spite how they think being counter to reality, they almost won the election with it, thanks to their importing/buying the electorate, and owning the cultural heights of academia and the media.

    As the MSM doubling down on all their false narratives has shown, this recent (narrow) defeat will not make them rethink their approach. It is not over. Rightly or wrongly, the future will be more Mook, less Bill Clinton.
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  89. Hillary being Hillary, once Bill offered his dissenting advice on the path to victory, she virtually couldn’t take it. No way she would accept being seen to owe her victory to him.

    It’s as though she was practically check-mated.

    So by Bill interceding with what might have been the winning strategy, he pre-empted her victory, and effectively saved the country, at least for a while longer.

    Maybe saved the world.

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    Was Hillary check-mated or mate-checked?
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  90. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hey, Steve.

    You were just mentioned on CNN by Glenn Beck. Beck was discussing Alt-Right racism and brought you up. Beck mentioned your statements around Hurricane Katrina and race.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/racial-reality-and-the-new-orleans-nightmare

    "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
     
    Start listening at around 5:07.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

    Glenn Beck was never playing with a full deck, but it looks like he’s down to a joker and a pair of twos. What audience has he been trying to appeal to since Trump was nominated? Here was what was written about him a few days ago:

    Beck went even further in the interview, saying President Obama “made me a better man.” This is the man who called Obama a Marxist, a racist with a “deep-seated hatred for white people” and who once asked a guest if Obama might be the Antichrist.

    “I did a lot of freaking out about Barack Obama,” Beck conceded to The New Yorker. He said he regrets calling the president a racist and he said he considers himself a Black Lives Matter supporter.

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    It is sad to suggest this: I think he is bi-polar. Too many things are changing too quickly for a lot of people this year, who make their living being relevant in front of a camera. I always hated Beck, so, whatever...not a fan. Why would anyone interview him anymore? It seems really cruel...like he is Elephant Man or something; or a sad-sack that people feel a need to throw a bone to, since years ago, they were outrageous and entertaining. Nothing compares to Trump. https://youtu.be/JQv4Ue3hUMB
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  91. Mass purges of alt-right accounts on twitter:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/twitter-initiates-mass-purge-of-alt-right-accounts-following-trump-victory/

    Daily Caller has had some good coverage recently. Here’s another on how the media response to Bannon helps the alt-right:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/major-media-outlets-are-playing-into-white-nationalists-hands/

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Use "Gab" (gab.com) instead. They don't police content. Twitter is for twits.
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  92. @Chrisnonymous
    Bill Clinton could actually be quite useful. As Steve has pointed out several times, the looming population explosion in Africa needs to be addressed. Half of the solution is border control, but the other half is dealing with Africa. I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc, and he could be useful in coordinating with other countries, celebrities, etc. He could be "Africa Czar". From first African-American President to first Africa Czar. He would never go for it though.

    Appointing Bill Clinton and Bill Gates’ wife to promote family planning in Africa would be good.

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    LOL..best joke of the night!
    , @Anonymous
    When I suggested to some liberal friends that African women should be given Depo-Provera after having had two children they tsk-tsked me. How could I be so inhumane as to deprive them of their right to reproduce?

    When I responded by pointing out that we western nations supply much of the food that sustains them and health care as well, and that anything above two (or so) children was beyond replacement level, they went into silent-ostracism mode.

    In their minds, African women having 6 children is just the way things are. No thought given to long-term demographic catastrophe which presumably will be averted by emigration to the affluent West--which after all, has too much wealth for its own good.
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  93. @Anonymous
    What Bill overlooked is that Hillary just can't hit it off with the white working class.

    She has no natural rapport with them.

    And if she brings up their pain, Trump can counter and blame her husband for Nafta and free trade and etc.

    I see Bill's point, but she couldn't run on this issue.

    She threw her lot in with identity politics of women, blacks, and homos. And she was too close to Goldman Sachs and attached to TPP to win on the issue of the forgotten worker.

    Also, she beat Sanders who ran left of her on labor issue, and she probably thought she could win over Trump too.

    When the dust settles, she will realize Obama stole her crown in 2008. And he was enabled by the very media that tried so hard to prop her up this time.

    But one difference between 2008 and 2016.

    In 2008, the media just ignored McCain and promoted Obama.

    In 2016, the media just ignored Hillary and vilified Trump.

    Vilification may have hurt Trump, but it also gave him free publicity and sympathy votes.

    Media had not much good things to say about Hillary but a lot of bad things to say about Trump. There was no sense of hope on Hillary side. It was not "Hillary is Great" but "Vote for Hillary even if she's awful because Trump is Hitler and Godzilla."

    PS. Bill must sometimes feel like Affleck in Gone Girl.

    Godzilla Hitler would be a cool name.

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    Godzilla Hitler would be a cool name.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/22/adolf-hitler-frankenstein-india-elections
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  94. @Desert Rat
    It must not be forgotten that Hillary! is a complete and utter incompetent in virtually everything she does. Her list of screw ups and bungled operations is far too long to list here and most of us are familiar with at least some of them. In terms of politics the one right thing she ever did was marry BJ and doggedly stick to him despite her continual humiliation over his serial sexual encounters with women other than herself. That she chose to ignore the advice of a man who had risen from attorney general of a backwater southern state to twice winning the highest office in the land follows logically given her history of stupidity and malfeasance.

    That she chose to ignore the advice of a man who had risen from attorney general of a backwater southern state to twice winning the highest office in the land follows logically given her history of stupidity and malfeasance.

    Hillary has been blinded by feminist ideology. Go look at my earlier comments explaining how her side had fallen to a common (negative) side effect of being propagandists, which is believing your own propaganda.

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  95. @Hodag
    1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.

    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.

    3. Hated it at the time but Bill Clinton is a genius. I would not be surprised if he walked around in his day at a 160.

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.

    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes

    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you’d have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.

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    You can kind of see from the decline in prose style in "A Man in Full" toward the end where Tom Wolfe was in his book when he had open heart surgery.
    , @PiltdownMan

    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you’d have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.
     
    It's called postperfusion syndrome.


    When my late Dad went through heart surgery, it was quite obvious to all of us in his family in the months that followed. In his case, it was not extreme, thankfully, but still, noticeable.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postperfusion_syndrome

    , @Jack D
    I don't know how they did Bill's but a lot of CABG is performed nowadays "beating heart" without the use of the heart/lung machine.
    , @donut
    http://www.apa.org/monitor/may01/bypass.aspx
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  96. @Anonymous
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/14/calls-to-crisis-hotlines-have-spiked-since-trumps-election-chicago-health-officials/

    I think future elections will have to come with trigger warnings.

    PC made so many people so self-righteous and infatuated with their own 'virtue' that they cannot ponder any alternative outcome.

    Worse, are these clowns aware of how Hillary destroyed countless lives in the Middle East and North Africa with her wars?

    These progs claim to care about humanity but are so provincial.

    PC made so many people so self-righteous and infatuated with their own ‘virtue’ that they cannot ponder any alternative outcome.

    I once made significant progress with a schizophrenic friend and I can say that talking her around her delusions was a lot simpler than talking down PC types usually is, many have suffered under a program of lifelong, incessant propaganda bombardment.

    I’m glad you said “PC made” rather than “PC makes”, love that past tense.

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  97. Interesting. I always imagined Bill as someone who just sat back calmly, hoping she wins but not really caring very much.

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    No. Bill is no Tammy Wynette. We saw that when he went ballistic about his record on health care in Florida a few weeks ago.
    He's also old school, his locker-room talk according to Trump is 'unbelievable, I can't even say it.' I'm guessing he never took to Mook, because you can't trust an aide who doesn't chase cooze. He was ambivalent on Huma.
    His IQ is not 160, as suggested by a commenter above. I'm sure when he sharpened his pencil back in the day, he knew that 'indolent' are 'indigent' are not synonyms, nor indeed antonyms; and he could even write a nuanced 800 word essay on how the words might nevertheless be related.
    But there's no way he knew whether the Chicago train would arrive before the New York train, or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.
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  98. @Bill P
    Anderson Cooper has been "very respectful" toward Glenn Beck lately. I heard it straight from the horse's mouth. I live in Beck's hometown, and the local conservative talk radio station just pulled his show and replaced him with Lars Larson. Maybe Glenn's sticking his toe out of the closet.

    As far as I can tell, Glenn's an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails. This is often a problem with converts, although I'm sure most are perfectly sincere and closer to normal.

    Beck's talented, but he's so starved for attention that he often comes across as a toddler pitching fits and reaching out for validation wherever he can. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. If he goes to work for the SPLC it's a good thing for us.

    Mormons would be wise to distance themselves from him. Never know what he'll do or say next, after all.

    Glenn’s an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails.

    The first clue that Glenn had gone off the rails was when he read the Mormon bible and said, “You know, this makes a lot of sense!”

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    • Replies: @MarkinPNW
    Actually, that "Mormon Bible" strongly condemns pre-emptive war such as how the US invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. and gives solemn warning about conspiracies by "Secret combinations" to seek power and wealth at the expense of the freedom and liberty of the people (see 3 Nephi 3, Mormon 4, and Ether 8 from the Book of Mormon).

    But then, how many "Christians" actually read and follow what Christ said in the traditional Christian Bible. Seems a lot (most) people just read these "scriptures", whether Mormon (Book of Mormon) or traditional Christian (Holy Bible), to confirm already held biases.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    I tried to read the Book of Mormon but it made no sense to me. Every verse starts with "and it came to pass". But I could never figure out why something was coming to pass and how it connected with anything else.
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  99. American right wingers gushing over Bill Clinton is disgusting. He’s physically ugly and has never been a looker. Why do you all brag about what a hard-on he gives you? Sure, it’s all those other people who get charmed by this venal swindler and serial sex pest. Oh, he won a few elections, wow! What a genius. And shared some erections. Then he got impeached for brazenly fibbing about his sordid sex life, if that’s what you call it. “extraordinarily skilled and intuitive politician”! “one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around”!, “The gods on Mt. Olympus gave her the most brilliant political mind of her generation”!? It’s bad enough that the NYT describes him as “subversively seductive” (code for cool rapist? he’s cool because he sexually assaulted frumpy unimportant women?) without you weirdos gaily basking in the depravity of it all. Scumbag politicians are still scumbags when they manage to hoodwink a plurality of the gullible. Get over this decaying sack of c*m already. “The worship of jackals by jackasses.”

    P.S Why do you still call your (sometimes disgraced) ex-presidents “president” after their reign of error has finished? Servile and weird. Stop it.

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    Tell us where the bad man put the cigar.
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  100. Glenn Beck was never playing with a full deck, but it looks like he’s down to a joker and a pair of twos.

    Yet he is worth more than a hundred million dollars.

    I will go to my grave without learning how this money thing works.

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  101. Hillary let us know that any difficulties between blacks and the police are due to “implicit racism” among police officers. Now her campaign communications director Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

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    Jesus H.Christ! I can't believe she still does not know "it was the economy, stupid!" Forget misogyny, and you guys all know I have that in spades, I would never vote for her anyway. It's sad for her to realize, but the public, her "progressives," wanted Bernie or Elizabeth. It is sort of mind-blowing that she doesn't understand why she lost.
    , @SPMoore8
    Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Jess McIntosh sounds like an inveterate mansplainer and gaslighter .... didn't we use to call that "false consciousness"? -- (Charles Boyer) "Let me tell you my dear, what it is that you really want to do."
    , @woodNfish
    Living in denial is a Leftist trait.
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  102. @Harry Baldwin
    Godzilla Hitler would be a cool name.
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  103. @Chrisnonymous

    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes
     
    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you'd have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.

    You can kind of see from the decline in prose style in “A Man in Full” toward the end where Tom Wolfe was in his book when he had open heart surgery.

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    I watched a few episodes of the sitcom How I Met Your Mother, and A Man in Full is invariably conspicuous on a book shelf on one of the main sets. I wonder if that's a message.

    Nah, they probably just liked the color.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    (Also at PiltdownMan, Jack D, and donut:)

    I'm aware of post-open-heart cognitive decline, and I agree that Wolfe's recent work and interviews have been weak, but I was taking issue with 5-15 IQ points per hour of surgery. What was Wolfe's pre-surgical IQ? And now he's an imbecile?

    I'm at work, so I don't have time to read properly, but it looks like more like 10 points per surgery is reasonable. Also, note that peri-operative factors may influence the decline. People have different successes recovering from stroke eg.

    The papers posted by other commenters don't seem to support 5-15/hour.

    http://openheart.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000255.full

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4279342/
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  104. @Chrisnonymous

    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes
     
    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you'd have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.

    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you’d have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.

    It’s called postperfusion syndrome.

    When my late Dad went through heart surgery, it was quite obvious to all of us in his family in the months that followed. In his case, it was not extreme, thankfully, but still, noticeable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postperfusion_syndrome

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    Postperfusion syndrome sounds terrible but actually is sounds like a byproduct of any severe illness, and it also sounds like a by product of age.

    It's not that you can't "come back" from severe illness and/or age but requires more effort and you have to baby yourself. No more 4-5 hour nights, or it will take half a day for the cobwebs to clear.

    The days of lots of mental energy to absorb something completely new are hard to come by in your '60's. That's why I would advise anyone who is young to at least make some inroads into anything you might conceivably want to study later in life, because it will be a lot easier if you set the mental map: the earlier, the better.
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  105. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mansplain reporting: Coincidental with the snowplow issues, or with other indicators of pending Swedish cultural genocide?

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  106. @Harry Baldwin
    Glenn Beck was never playing with a full deck, but it looks like he's down to a joker and a pair of twos. What audience has he been trying to appeal to since Trump was nominated? Here was what was written about him a few days ago:

    Beck went even further in the interview, saying President Obama "made me a better man." This is the man who called Obama a Marxist, a racist with a "deep-seated hatred for white people" and who once asked a guest if Obama might be the Antichrist.

    "I did a lot of freaking out about Barack Obama," Beck conceded to The New Yorker. He said he regrets calling the president a racist and he said he considers himself a Black Lives Matter supporter.
     

    It is sad to suggest this: I think he is bi-polar. Too many things are changing too quickly for a lot of people this year, who make their living being relevant in front of a camera. I always hated Beck, so, whatever…not a fan. Why would anyone interview him anymore? It seems really cruel…like he is Elephant Man or something; or a sad-sack that people feel a need to throw a bone to, since years ago, they were outrageous and entertaining. Nothing compares to Trump.

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  107. @Chase
    It's also hilarious that the most data-driven campaign was undone by its own data compiled by the exact same sorts of people.

    The pollsters were acting like politicians, shamelessly manipulating the polls with +absurd D samples, thinking there were doing the campaign's bidding. Meanwhile the campaign is taking the data and treating it like the word of God.

    I don’t think the pollsters were all acting in a crooked fashion trying to rig the election for Hillary with bad data. There were too many different actors without direct coordination for that to happen. Independent polling firms took a big hit to their credibility this election. Ironically, Trump supporters loved the LA Times/USC tracking poll and it was arguably, once the dust settled, the most inaccurate poll around. What’s more likely is the pollsters had three big problems. The first was from demographic weighting. The last two elections with Obama saw historically high black turnout, so that screwed up polling and gave Hillary an edge because pollsters, based on the past two elections, assumed blacks would have the same high turnout, but they appear to have dropped back down closer to their historic levels in the last election. Similarly, pollsters expected women to have a higher relative turnout because they expected a greater enthusiasm to elect the first female president. The second is that the shy Trump voter, or generally shy right wing populist voter, effect seems to be real and that a significant percentage of the voting population does appear to be reticent about telling pollsters they support right wing populist movements like Trump and Brexit. The third issue is enthusiasm because very few Hillary voters were actually enthusiastic about her. She had support that was a “mile wide and an inch deep” and that came back to haunt her. Bill Mitchell, aka the anti Nate Silver, got a lot of flak talking about rally attendance and yard signs, but he was on to something. Online you have 4chan’s /pol/ board and Reddit’s r/The_Donald talking about being veterans of the Great Meme War (thanks to all their rare Pepes and campaigns like #SpiritCooking) and they exhibited outsized enthusiasm whereas the Clinton’s campaign had to hire people like Correct the Record to “shill for Hill” and astroturf online support.

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    Good comment Aristippus. Indeed the polling wasn't that terrible. The samples almost certainly a bit off, but one could account for the final result simply by undecideds breaking from Trump at the end. Something that is entirely within past norms. (I pointed out even last year that one thing Trump had working for him is that Hillary was *known* a not well liked. She was unable to reach 50% in the polls. Bad sign and opportunity for Trump.)

    I'm super happy to not be facing Hillary! as our President--and all the cheesy media slobbering that would come with that. But folks should be realistic, this was a super close election. Trump is a half point behind in popular vote and while he got the necessary--Sailer Strategy--Midwestern breakthrough (in three states!) the margins were thin.

    Finally, Aristippus, I know you just want to live the good life, but throw us a bone by boning up on this "paragraph" invention.
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  108. @Chrisnonymous
    Bill Clinton could actually be quite useful. As Steve has pointed out several times, the looming population explosion in Africa needs to be addressed. Half of the solution is border control, but the other half is dealing with Africa. I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc, and he could be useful in coordinating with other countries, celebrities, etc. He could be "Africa Czar". From first African-American President to first Africa Czar. He would never go for it though.

    Bill Clinton renounces NAFTA and goes on a whirlwind charm tour to revitalize manufacturing across the Rust Belt by personally schmoozing the heads of automobile and heavy equipment manufacturers.

    He runs as mayor of Detroit and oversees it rising again as the Paris of the West.

    That’d be fun for him.

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  109. @Carl
    American right wingers gushing over Bill Clinton is disgusting. He's physically ugly and has never been a looker. Why do you all brag about what a hard-on he gives you? Sure, it's all those other people who get charmed by this venal swindler and serial sex pest. Oh, he won a few elections, wow! What a genius. And shared some erections. Then he got impeached for brazenly fibbing about his sordid sex life, if that's what you call it. "extraordinarily skilled and intuitive politician"! "one of the best natural politicians and schmoozers around"!, "The gods on Mt. Olympus gave her the most brilliant political mind of her generation"!? It's bad enough that the NYT describes him as "subversively seductive" (code for cool rapist? he's cool because he sexually assaulted frumpy unimportant women?) without you weirdos gaily basking in the depravity of it all. Scumbag politicians are still scumbags when they manage to hoodwink a plurality of the gullible. Get over this decaying sack of c*m already. "The worship of jackals by jackasses."

    P.S Why do you still call your (sometimes disgraced) ex-presidents "president" after their reign of error has finished? Servile and weird. Stop it.

    Tell us where the bad man put the cigar.

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    2nd best joke of the night, Jack! I am so glad we are all laughing again, sigh.
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  110. @Steve Sailer
    Appointing Bill Clinton and Bill Gates' wife to promote family planning in Africa would be good.

    LOL..best joke of the night!

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  111. @PiltdownMan

    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you’d have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.
     
    It's called postperfusion syndrome.


    When my late Dad went through heart surgery, it was quite obvious to all of us in his family in the months that followed. In his case, it was not extreme, thankfully, but still, noticeable.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postperfusion_syndrome

    Postperfusion syndrome sounds terrible but actually is sounds like a byproduct of any severe illness, and it also sounds like a by product of age.

    It’s not that you can’t “come back” from severe illness and/or age but requires more effort and you have to baby yourself. No more 4-5 hour nights, or it will take half a day for the cobwebs to clear.

    The days of lots of mental energy to absorb something completely new are hard to come by in your ’60′s. That’s why I would advise anyone who is young to at least make some inroads into anything you might conceivably want to study later in life, because it will be a lot easier if you set the mental map: the earlier, the better.

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  112. @SPMoore8
    They really don't seem like a couple that is very close. I mean, you don't have a convo like this a week before election .....

    What it really suggests to me is that Bill is trying to come out of this smelling like a rose. Which also doesn't indicate any particular closeness.

    well, he is still locker room buddies at Trump’s golf course and all. He knows Trump has now eclipsed him. Not only does Trump have a gorgeous FLOTUS (and wife #3) while waltzing into the WH, but his children & grands are so damn photogenic and smart, too! Trump trumped Bill!

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    I have a feeling Bill Clinton is secretly relieved. He remains the only "President Clinton."
    , @Anon
    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn't look like she's going to do much in life. She's also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he's married to a loser and criminal wife.

    Bill came from the lower class, and his family keeps those hallmarks.
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  113. @Jack Hanson
    Tell us where the bad man put the cigar.

    2nd best joke of the night, Jack! I am so glad we are all laughing again, sigh.

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  114. @Harry Baldwin
    Hillary let us know that any difficulties between blacks and the police are due to "implicit racism" among police officers. Now her campaign communications director Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Jesus H.Christ! I can’t believe she still does not know “it was the economy, stupid!” Forget misogyny, and you guys all know I have that in spades, I would never vote for her anyway. It’s sad for her to realize, but the public, her “progressives,” wanted Bernie or Elizabeth. It is sort of mind-blowing that she doesn’t understand why she lost.

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  115. @Harry Baldwin
    Glenn’s an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails.

    The first clue that Glenn had gone off the rails was when he read the Mormon bible and said, "You know, this makes a lot of sense!"

    Actually, that “Mormon Bible” strongly condemns pre-emptive war such as how the US invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. and gives solemn warning about conspiracies by “Secret combinations” to seek power and wealth at the expense of the freedom and liberty of the people (see 3 Nephi 3, Mormon 4, and Ether 8 from the Book of Mormon).

    But then, how many “Christians” actually read and follow what Christ said in the traditional Christian Bible. Seems a lot (most) people just read these “scriptures”, whether Mormon (Book of Mormon) or traditional Christian (Holy Bible), to confirm already held biases.

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    Every religious text from every religion seems like the word of the Supreme Being to believers and garbage to unbelievers, but as someone who accepts neither the New Testament nor the Book of Mormon as divine texts, I have to say that the latter seems to me a 3rd rate pastiche of the former written by a barely literate scammer. It is almost comically bad.
    , @Forbes
    Good propaganda. Iraq War was not a preemptive war. You may have forgotten that since the Gulf War of 1991, the US never concluded a peace treaty with Iraq--merely a suspension of hostilities, with various resumptions during the Clinton administration. Also, the US enforced northern and southern no-fly zones over Iraq--a violation of sovereignty, and a mark that the US was militarily engaged with Iraq, even if low grade hostilities.
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  116. @Lagertha
    well, he is still locker room buddies at Trump's golf course and all. He knows Trump has now eclipsed him. Not only does Trump have a gorgeous FLOTUS (and wife #3) while waltzing into the WH, but his children & grands are so damn photogenic and smart, too! Trump trumped Bill!

    I have a feeling Bill Clinton is secretly relieved. He remains the only “President Clinton.”

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  117. As the saying goes, “It couldn’t happen to nicer people.”

    This latest episode of The Clintons soap opera reminds me of older ones. There was the one where they had a scene like this on the morning of Bill’s first inauguration, when Hillary threw something at him. Then there was another one in the White House, recounted by Secret Service, in which Mrs. Clinton broke a vase and gave her husband a black eye.

    Another saying goes, “Anyone can become president.” Bill and Hillary are proof that indeed anyone, no matter how coarse, can and almost can.

    I’m glad The Clintons has been cancelled. It was becoming repetitive.

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    Exactly.

    The Clintons are irredeemably tacky. Criminal, venal and pathologically opportunistic. The worst is they don't seem to like each other at all.

    The Trumps seem genuinely fond of one another. That alone is a major improvement.
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  118. I would not call Bill Clinton a political genius. In neither election against a very weak opponent with a third party candidate running drawing off said opponents support did he breach 50% of the vote. He was lucky, and shrewd not a political genius.

    He just looks like a giant standing next to the magnificence that is Presidents Carter, and also Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry. See a pattern there? Politics in both parties seem to produce endless neuters like those dudes, see also the Bushes and Romney and McCain. No one with balls or any discernible male attitudes.

    As for Hillary, her fall was partly her own stupidity, partly believing that BS that Blacks yearn to vote for old White women, and that all those gays and Muslims etc. will take over the US, and mostly the legacy of Obama. What else did the Machine Clinton have to offer but Hate Trump? And the damn thing was very, very close.

    I live in OC, and Hillary won there for the first time for a Democrat since FDR. Every professional White women I know hated Trump and voted for Hillary! like a fag-hag on a Bravo bender. I saw three Hillary yard signs in my neighborhood and not a single Trump sign.

    Hillary could not run against the Obama economy because she was part of it; she could not reach out to White working class people because it would have driven away the gays, White Professional Women, Hispanics, and Blacks she was counting on. It almost was enough. Hillary followed the successful Obama playbook not being smart enough to realize that Obama changed the rules — massive non-White turnout depends on a Black candidate.

    Keith Ellison X, if he is not the nominee himself (he just might make himself that), will certainly see that someone like Kamala Harris, or Michelle Obama, or heck Oprah herself is the next Presidential nominee. That’s what the Democrats know, and being the party of anti-White working class, its what they’ve got. The KKKrazy Glue of Gays, Muslims, Blacks, White Professional women and college girls is who the Dems are, and absent another Obama type they hate each other so that the Krazy Glue comes apart. It stays together with a Black leader.

    TL:DR; Hillary lost because she’s not Black. Black and Hispanic voters won’t vote for White leaders anymore. They demand a Black one.

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    All good points. I think Bill Clinton was living in the past. How exactly do you run against an economy when your political party has been in charge for the last eight years? Any attempt on the part of Hillary Clinton to distance herself from, and to criticize the economic policies of the Obama Administration would have brought at least the rebuttal that her tenure as Secretary of State had been, uh, "less than successful," and more probably a decision by Loretta Lynch that maybe extreme carelessness with classified information was criminally actionable, because, well, Michelle Obama would sure make a good Presidential candidate. Hillary almost succeeded with her strategy; unless Trump takes drastic action on US. population and electoral demographics, come 2020 a different candidate using the strategy will likely succeed.
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  119. @Alec Leamas

    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign’s Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it’s hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant.
     
    I always thought Clinton's political acumen was more hype than reality - hype as the product of fellow Boomers in the media identifying with him as a cultural avatar turning the page on the WWII generation. He did not win 50% of the popular vote in either Presidential election.

    In any event, does it take a political genius to figure you should not write off 65+% of the electorate and instead campaign where they're thick on the ground to the tune of about 65 electoral votes? If you were from Mars and someone explained the electoral system and demographics of the U.S. to you, you'd probably come up with the Trump strategy in an afternoon.

    Yeah, Bush I ran a pathetic campaign and Bob Dole ….. well ……

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  120. @Alec Leamas

    Two points: the first is that the Clinton campaign’s Ada software failed miserably (because polling was so bad in this election), so it’s hilarious to see the most data driven campaign ever get called out by a hillbilly political savant.
     
    I always thought Clinton's political acumen was more hype than reality - hype as the product of fellow Boomers in the media identifying with him as a cultural avatar turning the page on the WWII generation. He did not win 50% of the popular vote in either Presidential election.

    In any event, does it take a political genius to figure you should not write off 65+% of the electorate and instead campaign where they're thick on the ground to the tune of about 65 electoral votes? If you were from Mars and someone explained the electoral system and demographics of the U.S. to you, you'd probably come up with the Trump strategy in an afternoon.

    In fairness, Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in ’92 and almost 10% in ’96 (in which Bill also got 49% and some change), so those were kind of weird elections. Maybe because I’m a millennial, so I was just a child during the Clinton administration, but the man seemed to ooze charisma. In fairness, I did recently watch a compilation of Norm Macdonald’s Weekend Update burns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGY7jzq9pQI) on the Clintons, so it’s nice to see some vintage criticism. Bill seemed to be able to bullshit most people and get away with it.

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    He had the MSM to carry him. That explains a goodly portion of his getting away with it.

    You could say the same thing about Hillary, but she didn't run against wet blankets, and the MSM was immeasurably more powerful in the 90s. There was tall radio, which Bill himself denounced repeatedly. Imagine, they couldn't suffer the existence of funny little talk radio back then. What would 1996 Bill say if you were to tell him his wife's campaign in 2016 would be derailed not by a Rush Limbaugh, but by a cartoon internet frog? (Besides "hooray!")

    , @Alec Leamas
    I'm not much older than you, but the targets of his charms were the press, who were largely now his generational peers. It was very much the case that "we're all coming of age now" when Clinton was elected with a mix of 70s nostalgia (the Fleetwood Mac soundtrack to the Campaign - Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow/Yesterday's Gone, Yesterday's Gone) and a veneer of youthful yuppie confidence. It was "SCREW YOU, DAD!: The Election." Hillary was sold as a "Partner" in Presidential Power unlike the publicly deferential WWII generation first ladies (Jackie Kennedy through Barbara Bush) which appealed to Boomer career women.
    , @Coemgen
    Bill Clinton "oozed" alright - he oozed the description of a sociopathic personality as described by my Pysch 101 textbook.

    My thought when first seeing and hearing him was that this guy is too sleazy to ever get elected. People will see right through his "I feel your pain." BS. Upon reflection, perhaps they did see right through his BS and either they didn't care or (my personal belief) that was what they wanted.

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  121. @Chrisnonymous

    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes
     
    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you'd have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.

    I don’t know how they did Bill’s but a lot of CABG is performed nowadays “beating heart” without the use of the heart/lung machine.

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  122. @Harry Baldwin
    Hillary let us know that any difficulties between blacks and the police are due to "implicit racism" among police officers. Now her campaign communications director Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Jess McIntosh sounds like an inveterate mansplainer and gaslighter …. didn’t we use to call that “false consciousness”? — (Charles Boyer) “Let me tell you my dear, what it is that you really want to do.”

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    I always assumed "internalized" was a psychological term, but never bothered looking it up. I treat it as a nonsense word, and that doesn't seem to have affected my understanding in any way.
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  123. @kihowi
    So Bill got it all right. The funniest thing about this election's aftermath is realizing that if he had run again, he would have won, again. Goes to show that being married to an extraordinarily skilled and intuitive politician does not make you one.

    I wonder if she was trying to step out from his shadow. And oh, she failed, she needed his shadow. Maybe added extra ginger to her screaming.

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  124. @MarkinPNW
    Actually, that "Mormon Bible" strongly condemns pre-emptive war such as how the US invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. and gives solemn warning about conspiracies by "Secret combinations" to seek power and wealth at the expense of the freedom and liberty of the people (see 3 Nephi 3, Mormon 4, and Ether 8 from the Book of Mormon).

    But then, how many "Christians" actually read and follow what Christ said in the traditional Christian Bible. Seems a lot (most) people just read these "scriptures", whether Mormon (Book of Mormon) or traditional Christian (Holy Bible), to confirm already held biases.

    Every religious text from every religion seems like the word of the Supreme Being to believers and garbage to unbelievers, but as someone who accepts neither the New Testament nor the Book of Mormon as divine texts, I have to say that the latter seems to me a 3rd rate pastiche of the former written by a barely literate scammer. It is almost comically bad.

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  125. anon • Disclaimer says:

    For Bill, it was the stupid economy of Bush.

    For Hillary, ‘it’s the economy’ is the economy of the Democratic Obama administration. So she was sharply constrained.

    No one wants to talk about luck, but Jan 2016 oil prices under $30/bbl hurt a lot. Especially in Pennsylvania, which is a big Tight Oil state. Without the collapse in oil, commodity, and basic materials prices combined with the 2 year boom of the US dollar, Hillary could have been running with an economic tailwind. On the other hand, everyone knew this — and Hillary should have adjusted. The January swoon in the stock market was due to this as well as pressure on banks to book energy related losses. As well as the planned 3 additional increase in the Fed Funds rate.

    Hillary didn’t have any obvious ways to run against Obama administration policies. She always had an authenticity problem, and running as an outsider would have been utterly unbelievable.

    When I think of what might have been — I keep coming back to the cumulative impact of Democrats/Obama’s anti business bias. ‘It’s the economy stupid’ should have been a clue to try to pump it up over the last year. Instead of that, Obama gave her the BLM.

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  126. I always wonder just how fake articles like this are. How strategically psyop.

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  127. @neutral

    He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.
     
    They say power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, surely being the male spouse to the president probably has the complete opposite affect, it must be the ultimate turn off. Being the first husband, he would have as much attractive appeal to females as Denis Thatcher did.

    Well, look at him, he’s a shell of his former self, but he had no shortage of female company in Chappaqua. He’d moved on to older, more discreet talent. Hey, get a chick on a private plane, run around with your celebrity pals, they’ll spread. But mess with the true beauties and they also talk. Social media really messes with a married celebrity’s fun n’ games.

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  128. The Clinton campaign basically seems to have taken its strategy from two books, both published (coincidentally or not) in 2002, the year Hillary’s campaign manager graduated from Columbia. “The Emerging Democratic Majority,” which I’ve never read but which basically brags that the growing minority population will move this nation to the left; and Dick Florida’s “Rise of the Creative Class,” which sings orgasmic praise to both cities and gays, and basically suggests that, to prosper, cities need to cater to gays and don’t need to do a damn thing to help families.

    Politico had an article a day or two ago that noted that the Clinton campaign didn’t have a single staffer dedicated to winning rural voters until the last few weeks of the campaign. There are 60 million people living in rural America. There are more rural Americans than there are Hispanics, Blacks, gays, Asians, Jews, or college students, but you can damn well bet that the Clinton campaign had multiple staffers dedicated to winning each of those demos.

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  129. @Prof. Woland
    Hey, that's what I said.

    Hey, that’s what I said.

    Given the 5-min edit window, I’d call it a ‘simulpost.’ After posting the OSU video, I refreshed the preceding “Staffing Open Thread” (which had no comments last I saw) and found that first post “Anonymous” beat me by 20 minutes (minus the ‘friendly fire’ video explanation). I had my comment ready to go since midday EST (via the Daily Mail).

    Looking upthread, Father O’Hara does the time warp ahead of you both due to Steve’s modding or the spam filter (?) coughing up submitted comments.

    A mystery to me is how some comments trickle in during the day while (I assume) Steve is sleeping. For example, in the “War on Thomas Jefferson” thread, Lagertha and SPMoore8 had comments approved that were timestamped after my pending comment, but the overall new comment volume was very low . . .

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    That is so....DEEP!
    , @Prof. Woland
    We both noticed the same thing. I just wonder if Fox / Megan Kelly will notice it (or already did and lied). It is as if they are afraid of crossing the Rubicon and going alt-right. They know all the good material and stories are on our side, they just cannot get away from acting like good whites.
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  130. @neutral

    He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.
     
    They say power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, surely being the male spouse to the president probably has the complete opposite affect, it must be the ultimate turn off. Being the first husband, he would have as much attractive appeal to females as Denis Thatcher did.

    Power is not the “ultimate” aphrodisiac. Fame is better. Famous people with no power whatsoever, and frankly nothing else going for them, get action.

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    I'd say that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac for the possessor of that power. Fame is an aphrodisiac that stimulates attraction to the famous. Both characteristics fill the meaning in different ways.
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  131. @Aristippus
    In fairness, Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in '92 and almost 10% in '96 (in which Bill also got 49% and some change), so those were kind of weird elections. Maybe because I'm a millennial, so I was just a child during the Clinton administration, but the man seemed to ooze charisma. In fairness, I did recently watch a compilation of Norm Macdonald's Weekend Update burns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGY7jzq9pQI) on the Clintons, so it's nice to see some vintage criticism. Bill seemed to be able to bullshit most people and get away with it.

    He had the MSM to carry him. That explains a goodly portion of his getting away with it.

    You could say the same thing about Hillary, but she didn’t run against wet blankets, and the MSM was immeasurably more powerful in the 90s. There was tall radio, which Bill himself denounced repeatedly. Imagine, they couldn’t suffer the existence of funny little talk radio back then. What would 1996 Bill say if you were to tell him his wife’s campaign in 2016 would be derailed not by a Rush Limbaugh, but by a cartoon internet frog? (Besides “hooray!”)

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  132. @Hodag
    1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.

    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.

    3. Hated it at the time but Bill Clinton is a genius. I would not be surprised if he walked around in his day at a 160.

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.

    1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.
    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.

    You sir are correct. Bill’s mind ain’t what it used to be. Called pump head
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    Pump Head – Cognitive Impairment After Bypass Surgery
    Here is an important update on pump head, based on more recent evidence. A study from Duke University, published in the New England Journal of Medicine in February … https://goo.gl/ePq7zs

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  133. @Twampole
    This "story" from England is nonsense. How on earth could HRC focus on the economy and what she planned to do to "help" the middle class and blacks? She and the cigar man were thoroughly exposed as greedy, complicit, corporate pigs of the vilest nature. And I'm supposed to believe he was telling her to chat up jobs? Snow jobs.... And go into Chiraq? Puleaze. This was planted by the Daily Mail to make cigar man feel good. Maybe the reporter gets a free ride on the pedophile plane's next trip....

    I’m thinking this story is BS too. Who throws a phone off a roof?

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  134. @Marat
    Beck is a natural fit for CNN, but he'll have to lose that nasty Christmas tree.

    Beck used to be on CNN before, playing the acceptable right winger.

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  135. @SPMoore8
    Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Jess McIntosh sounds like an inveterate mansplainer and gaslighter .... didn't we use to call that "false consciousness"? -- (Charles Boyer) "Let me tell you my dear, what it is that you really want to do."

    I always assumed “internalized” was a psychological term, but never bothered looking it up. I treat it as a nonsense word, and that doesn’t seem to have affected my understanding in any way.

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  136. @Steve Sailer
    You can kind of see from the decline in prose style in "A Man in Full" toward the end where Tom Wolfe was in his book when he had open heart surgery.

    I watched a few episodes of the sitcom How I Met Your Mother, and A Man in Full is invariably conspicuous on a book shelf on one of the main sets. I wonder if that’s a message.

    Nah, they probably just liked the color.

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  137. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Newsflash: women talk a lot and don’t like it when men interrupt them.

    This is exactly what we should have expected when we unchained them, let them out of the kitchen, gave them shoes, and stopped raping them every free minute so they could catch their breath and participate meaningfully and independently in the larger social world. It’s only a matter of time before we will be forced to actually care about their endless yammering.

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    It's also the reason everything on Capitol Hill became so blocked up and uncooperative. For two hundred years grown men shit on one another across the aisle in public and after the day was done gathered for a belt, made some notes and walked across the street to the White House and told the President how it's gonna be. Most recently, Newt, Ted Kennedy. Tip O'Neil, others on the Hill and Clinton/Bush/Reagan. The Leaders on the Hill were big patrons of Old Ebbit Grill. Many issues of the 1970s-1995-era were settled at that bar.

    Fast forward to Pelosi and her cabal gaining seniority and power and the entire dialog went straight to hell in a hand basket because the across-the-aisle stuff is never forgotten and forgiven by women after hours when real business is done. Women wanted into the Men's Club, except that finding they were temperamentally unsuited for the Men's Club, once they failed at that, they wanted to destroy it. That includes all Men's Club's, Old Boy's Networks in all walks, business, academic, political. Pelosi can blame Right-Wing intransigence all she wants but she made the entire atmosphere up there an opportunity for immolation for all who serve. The Hill is 20% female and 100% FUBAR. I understand the old meetings over the bar are prohibited these days, something about exclusion of members regarding the conduct of Hill members.

    Perhaps John Boehner maintained HIS cabal in the office, but because the men are much less effective on the Hill, the entire enterprise is. Look at how weak is the appearance and persona of Ryan, it's disgusting. I'd like to see that little pussy replaced in oh, say three seconds after the Inauguration.

    , @Bill Jones
    give em an inch......


    The Swiss didn't allow their women to vote until about 1960. It's been downhill ever since.
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  138. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hey, that’s what I said.
     
    Given the 5-min edit window, I’d call it a ‘simulpost.’ After posting the OSU video, I refreshed the preceding “Staffing Open Thread” (which had no comments last I saw) and found that first post “Anonymous” beat me by 20 minutes (minus the ‘friendly fire’ video explanation). I had my comment ready to go since midday EST (via the Daily Mail).

    Looking upthread, Father O’Hara does the time warp ahead of you both due to Steve’s modding or the spam filter (?) coughing up submitted comments.

    A mystery to me is how some comments trickle in during the day while (I assume) Steve is sleeping. For example, in the “War on Thomas Jefferson” thread, Lagertha and SPMoore8 had comments approved that were timestamped after my pending comment, but the overall new comment volume was very low . . .

    That is so….DEEP!

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    I forgot to add music. Reread my comment while listening. It’s genius.
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  139. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'm not sure if this is true or just some MSM puffery to make the Clinton's look human: There was a persistent rumor back when the Clintons first weaseled their way into the White House that Slick Willy had been very reluctant to shoot for the moon. The rumor claims that it was the little woman who saw the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presented by Bush the Elder's pathetic campaign and the very weak dimocrat primary field. She had to persuade Willy to run. How ironic if Slick Willy gained the White House by heeding his wife's advice and his wife lost it by failing to heed his.

    I’m not sure about that. Anyone who chooses to run for governor has a lot more ambition than your average guy, and I’d be surprised if Bill wasn’t thinking about the presidency once he’d climbed a rung up.

    Ambitious people have ambitions.

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  140. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FactsAreImportant
    This is the second story (probably leaked by Bill) about how Hillary lost because she wouldn't listen to Bill.

    Thanksgiving dinner is going to be very awkward at the Clinton's this year.

    I think there’s a factor in Bill and Obama of their being weary of ‘everything being about Hillary.’ They prefer to have the limelight themselves, and neither was happy about being eclipsed by her in the political sense, especially since they both know her well enough to be glaringly aware of her flaws. They know she was a lousy candidate, and they tried to prop her up the best they can, and now they’re kind of glad they can let go and let her flop to the ground.

    If Hillary weren’t such a hardass and a shrew, I think they’d be nicer to her.

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  141. @guest
    Newsflash: women talk a lot and don't like it when men interrupt them.

    This is exactly what we should have expected when we unchained them, let them out of the kitchen, gave them shoes, and stopped raping them every free minute so they could catch their breath and participate meaningfully and independently in the larger social world. It's only a matter of time before we will be forced to actually care about their endless yammering.

    It’s also the reason everything on Capitol Hill became so blocked up and uncooperative. For two hundred years grown men shit on one another across the aisle in public and after the day was done gathered for a belt, made some notes and walked across the street to the White House and told the President how it’s gonna be. Most recently, Newt, Ted Kennedy. Tip O’Neil, others on the Hill and Clinton/Bush/Reagan. The Leaders on the Hill were big patrons of Old Ebbit Grill. Many issues of the 1970s-1995-era were settled at that bar.

    Fast forward to Pelosi and her cabal gaining seniority and power and the entire dialog went straight to hell in a hand basket because the across-the-aisle stuff is never forgotten and forgiven by women after hours when real business is done. Women wanted into the Men’s Club, except that finding they were temperamentally unsuited for the Men’s Club, once they failed at that, they wanted to destroy it. That includes all Men’s Club’s, Old Boy’s Networks in all walks, business, academic, political. Pelosi can blame Right-Wing intransigence all she wants but she made the entire atmosphere up there an opportunity for immolation for all who serve. The Hill is 20% female and 100% FUBAR. I understand the old meetings over the bar are prohibited these days, something about exclusion of members regarding the conduct of Hill members.

    Perhaps John Boehner maintained HIS cabal in the office, but because the men are much less effective on the Hill, the entire enterprise is. Look at how weak is the appearance and persona of Ryan, it’s disgusting. I’d like to see that little pussy replaced in oh, say three seconds after the Inauguration.

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    The Merits of Mansplaining ....

    I used to manage exercise planning for a military unit. We used to go to exercise planning conferences where the major commands presented ... well, gave boring slide shows. The real work -- the give and take of exercise planning -- was done on breaks during the day on the back of napkins at the bar after hours.

    I hired a female officer to represent the unit at the conferences. Although briefed on the process, she never did get it that the real work was done on breaks and at the bar. She and the other female planners tended to isolate themselves during breaks and after hours in their own private tête-à-têtes, which meant they were ineffective in the planning process.

    I had to let her go after an avalanche of complaints about her from the field. She filed a sex discrimination complaint against me. A goodly collection of other female officers came to my defense. The complaint went nowhere.
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  142. I’ve seen ten different versions of this “Bill Knew The Deal All Along” fairy tale in the last couple of days. The idea that the Clinton dynasty wasn’t completely, 100% blindsided by their rejection at the polls makes a nice story, and an even nicer pivot point to the next version of “triangulation”: We’ve Always Loved You Hillbillies!

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  143. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha
    well, he is still locker room buddies at Trump's golf course and all. He knows Trump has now eclipsed him. Not only does Trump have a gorgeous FLOTUS (and wife #3) while waltzing into the WH, but his children & grands are so damn photogenic and smart, too! Trump trumped Bill!

    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn’t look like she’s going to do much in life. She’s also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he’s married to a loser and criminal wife.

    Bill came from the lower class, and his family keeps those hallmarks.

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    I know some people involved in the DNC during the 1990s. They have always said Bill did not like the homosexual agenda at all. He doesn't want to be around them personally and was not eager for don't ask don't tell. Hillary hen pecked him into it convincing him he needed those votes.
    , @anonguy

    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn’t look like she’s going to do much in life. She’s also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he’s married to a loser and criminal wife.
     
    I could go either way on that. If their relationship was relatively standard, I'd say there certainly the strong possibility.

    OTOH, once in a while, if you tend towards what society labels the sociopathic/antisocial end of the spectrum, and you meet a similarly minded woman, it is a very attractive force.

    It is a Bonnie and Clyde groove in that situation, the two of you having no moral code other than that between the two of you. And that doesn't mean doing illegal stuff necessarily, just understanding that the two of you are less governed by outside moralities is utterly intoxicating for this type of personality.

    Because, you are with someone with whom anything is truly possible if the two of you decide upon it.

    I'm actually assuming that is the case between the two of them and I'm sure one continuing part of their relationship has him laughing his ass off at some shit Hillary has pulled off and he's pretty proud of her. She delights in this as she is always trying to gain his respect, show him up a bit, in some area that he feels is important, a not uncommon male/female dynamic.

    IMO, she could care less, emotionally, about his infidelities other than how they affect their combined operation. Doesn't mean she didn't/doesn't physically love the guy, just they are both anti-social type people and hence tend to both be and not disapprove of sexual promiscuity.

    , @Bill Jones
    " He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn’t look like she’s going to do much in life. "

    She is, of course Webster Hubble's kid, Not Billy boy's,

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/webb-hubbell-no-comment-on-fathering-chelsea-clinton/
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  144. @Jason Bayz
    Interesting. I always imagined Bill as someone who just sat back calmly, hoping she wins but not really caring very much.

    No. Bill is no Tammy Wynette. We saw that when he went ballistic about his record on health care in Florida a few weeks ago.
    He’s also old school, his locker-room talk according to Trump is ‘unbelievable, I can’t even say it.’ I’m guessing he never took to Mook, because you can’t trust an aide who doesn’t chase cooze. He was ambivalent on Huma.
    His IQ is not 160, as suggested by a commenter above. I’m sure when he sharpened his pencil back in the day, he knew that ‘indolent’ are ‘indigent’ are not synonyms, nor indeed antonyms; and he could even write a nuanced 800 word essay on how the words might nevertheless be related.
    But there’s no way he knew whether the Chicago train would arrive before the New York train, or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.

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    "...which number follows 5, 77 and 987..."

    Hm, I'm seeing a pattern develop with 5, 77, ... but 987 invalidates it.
    , @anonguy

    or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.
     
    You should be careful about unleashing something like this on Steve's audience. For my part, I'm sitting here trying to solve this....
    , @G Pinfold
    Sorry guys, that was mischief on my part. I knew full well what would happen. For what its worth, all I did was type in a third number that was not very big but didn't seem to lead anywhere too obvious. I don't know if that's even hard to do.
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  145. Another of the missing in action alt-right twitter accounts is @0hour, which was heavily featuring what looked like an old snap of a naked Bill getting massaged by a pneumatic blonde while watching TV. I did some digging to see how kosher it was, but results were inconclusive (some of the people saying ‘fake’ were referring to a poor photoshop by some English arty girl, who’d added the TV in with Hillary in 2016 on screen).

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  146. @PiltdownMan
    I've said it before...

    The gods on Mt. Olympus gave her the most brilliant political mind of her generation as a husband. The Fates thwarted their plan by rendering her deaf to his words.

    The Ancient Greeks would have relished it.

    A certain Duke of Gloucester, too.

    And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
    To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
    I am determined to prove a villain
    And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
    Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
    By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
    To set my brother Clarence and the king
    In deadly hate the one against the other:
    And if King Edward be as true and just
    As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
    This day should Clarence closely be mew’d up,
    About a prophecy, which says that ‘G’
    Of Edward’s heirs the murderer shall be.
    Dive, thoughts, down to my soul…

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    Thank you!

    It prompts the thought that Shakespeare would have enjoyed writing an entire play based on this year's election.

    Alas, four hundred years too late. We'll have to settle for some best seller or the other. Let's hope there is at least a Joe McGinniss or a Theodore White out there, somewhere, who is equal to the task.
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  147. @Another Canadian
    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    What's happened to Glenn Beck? He looks like a babbling idiot out there.

    Congratulations Steve, you and Richard Spencer have been identified by Glenn Beck as the intellectual centre of the alt-right.

    Does this mean our host can also expect to have his Twitter account suspended?

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  148. @Chrisnonymous
    Bill Clinton could actually be quite useful. As Steve has pointed out several times, the looming population explosion in Africa needs to be addressed. Half of the solution is border control, but the other half is dealing with Africa. I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc, and he could be useful in coordinating with other countries, celebrities, etc. He could be "Africa Czar". From first African-American President to first Africa Czar. He would never go for it though.

    I suspect Bill would be on board with birth control, etc,

    I was given to understand that nothing he did with (((Monica))) risked fusing gametes.

    So yeah, he could serve in this advisory capacity.

    Then open a cigar factory.

    I ensnarken this and realize how much and far this trashy nasty couple has dragged our nation down.

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  149. @Trumpenprole

    "Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock."
     
    It looks like a trailer!

    ? Is personal use of the Library kosher?

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  150. YES.
    WE.
    CAN.
    !
    !
    !

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  151. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian
    It's also the reason everything on Capitol Hill became so blocked up and uncooperative. For two hundred years grown men shit on one another across the aisle in public and after the day was done gathered for a belt, made some notes and walked across the street to the White House and told the President how it's gonna be. Most recently, Newt, Ted Kennedy. Tip O'Neil, others on the Hill and Clinton/Bush/Reagan. The Leaders on the Hill were big patrons of Old Ebbit Grill. Many issues of the 1970s-1995-era were settled at that bar.

    Fast forward to Pelosi and her cabal gaining seniority and power and the entire dialog went straight to hell in a hand basket because the across-the-aisle stuff is never forgotten and forgiven by women after hours when real business is done. Women wanted into the Men's Club, except that finding they were temperamentally unsuited for the Men's Club, once they failed at that, they wanted to destroy it. That includes all Men's Club's, Old Boy's Networks in all walks, business, academic, political. Pelosi can blame Right-Wing intransigence all she wants but she made the entire atmosphere up there an opportunity for immolation for all who serve. The Hill is 20% female and 100% FUBAR. I understand the old meetings over the bar are prohibited these days, something about exclusion of members regarding the conduct of Hill members.

    Perhaps John Boehner maintained HIS cabal in the office, but because the men are much less effective on the Hill, the entire enterprise is. Look at how weak is the appearance and persona of Ryan, it's disgusting. I'd like to see that little pussy replaced in oh, say three seconds after the Inauguration.

    The Merits of Mansplaining ….

    I used to manage exercise planning for a military unit. We used to go to exercise planning conferences where the major commands presented … well, gave boring slide shows. The real work — the give and take of exercise planning — was done on breaks during the day on the back of napkins at the bar after hours.

    I hired a female officer to represent the unit at the conferences. Although briefed on the process, she never did get it that the real work was done on breaks and at the bar. She and the other female planners tended to isolate themselves during breaks and after hours in their own private tête-à-têtes, which meant they were ineffective in the planning process.

    I had to let her go after an avalanche of complaints about her from the field. She filed a sex discrimination complaint against me. A goodly collection of other female officers came to my defense. The complaint went nowhere.

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    You probably dodged a bullet. I understand the atmosphere is downright ugly in that regard these days and growing worse by the hour. Is there anything that can change the culture under a President that wants to make changes, shut the petulant little princesses up? I'm talking about a President that doesn't give a shit, like say, a Trump? If he put a SecDef in place that told the ladies shut up, man up or get out, along with a court martial for the ladies that refuse to go to sea when their ship sails (I'm an airdale, Nimitz, it was a big deal to miss movement) would all that fly? Or is the "Pussy Generation" (heh) too ingrained and dug in? Trannies, homos, the entire Alphabet Soup of Sexual Depravity, all legal now, can that be reversed?
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  152. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Only so much greatness can be thrust upon one so shrewishly untamed.

    Very good.

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  153. @Whiskey
    I would not call Bill Clinton a political genius. In neither election against a very weak opponent with a third party candidate running drawing off said opponents support did he breach 50% of the vote. He was lucky, and shrewd not a political genius.

    He just looks like a giant standing next to the magnificence that is Presidents Carter, and also Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry. See a pattern there? Politics in both parties seem to produce endless neuters like those dudes, see also the Bushes and Romney and McCain. No one with balls or any discernible male attitudes.

    As for Hillary, her fall was partly her own stupidity, partly believing that BS that Blacks yearn to vote for old White women, and that all those gays and Muslims etc. will take over the US, and mostly the legacy of Obama. What else did the Machine Clinton have to offer but Hate Trump? And the damn thing was very, very close.

    I live in OC, and Hillary won there for the first time for a Democrat since FDR. Every professional White women I know hated Trump and voted for Hillary! like a fag-hag on a Bravo bender. I saw three Hillary yard signs in my neighborhood and not a single Trump sign.

    Hillary could not run against the Obama economy because she was part of it; she could not reach out to White working class people because it would have driven away the gays, White Professional Women, Hispanics, and Blacks she was counting on. It almost was enough. Hillary followed the successful Obama playbook not being smart enough to realize that Obama changed the rules -- massive non-White turnout depends on a Black candidate.

    Keith Ellison X, if he is not the nominee himself (he just might make himself that), will certainly see that someone like Kamala Harris, or Michelle Obama, or heck Oprah herself is the next Presidential nominee. That's what the Democrats know, and being the party of anti-White working class, its what they've got. The KKKrazy Glue of Gays, Muslims, Blacks, White Professional women and college girls is who the Dems are, and absent another Obama type they hate each other so that the Krazy Glue comes apart. It stays together with a Black leader.

    TL:DR; Hillary lost because she's not Black. Black and Hispanic voters won't vote for White leaders anymore. They demand a Black one.

    All good points. I think Bill Clinton was living in the past. How exactly do you run against an economy when your political party has been in charge for the last eight years? Any attempt on the part of Hillary Clinton to distance herself from, and to criticize the economic policies of the Obama Administration would have brought at least the rebuttal that her tenure as Secretary of State had been, uh, “less than successful,” and more probably a decision by Loretta Lynch that maybe extreme carelessness with classified information was criminally actionable, because, well, Michelle Obama would sure make a good Presidential candidate. Hillary almost succeeded with her strategy; unless Trump takes drastic action on US. population and electoral demographics, come 2020 a different candidate using the strategy will likely succeed.

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    I think the obvious answer is you run against the Bushes again. Say that if the Obama-Clinton program loses we'll be back in the Bad Old Days. Which might've worked better, because Obama is still popular. More popular than Hillary, anyway.
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  154. @Steve Sailer
    It's kind of like in "James and the Giant Peach," where James lives happily ever after inside the Giant Peach in its resting place in Central Park.

    LOL OF THE WEEK:

    “…From this angle, Bill’s library kind of looks like a trailer park version of the AT-AT Imperial Walkers in The Empire Strikes Back.”

    And that Fabulous Prefab was also paid by some extremely generous moolah contributions of both Jawas and Sand People.

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  155. @Aristippus
    In fairness, Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in '92 and almost 10% in '96 (in which Bill also got 49% and some change), so those were kind of weird elections. Maybe because I'm a millennial, so I was just a child during the Clinton administration, but the man seemed to ooze charisma. In fairness, I did recently watch a compilation of Norm Macdonald's Weekend Update burns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGY7jzq9pQI) on the Clintons, so it's nice to see some vintage criticism. Bill seemed to be able to bullshit most people and get away with it.

    I’m not much older than you, but the targets of his charms were the press, who were largely now his generational peers. It was very much the case that “we’re all coming of age now” when Clinton was elected with a mix of 70s nostalgia (the Fleetwood Mac soundtrack to the Campaign – Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow/Yesterday’s Gone, Yesterday’s Gone) and a veneer of youthful yuppie confidence. It was “SCREW YOU, DAD!: The Election.” Hillary was sold as a “Partner” in Presidential Power unlike the publicly deferential WWII generation first ladies (Jackie Kennedy through Barbara Bush) which appealed to Boomer career women.

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  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Appointing Bill Clinton and Bill Gates' wife to promote family planning in Africa would be good.

    When I suggested to some liberal friends that African women should be given Depo-Provera after having had two children they tsk-tsked me. How could I be so inhumane as to deprive them of their right to reproduce?

    When I responded by pointing out that we western nations supply much of the food that sustains them and health care as well, and that anything above two (or so) children was beyond replacement level, they went into silent-ostracism mode.

    In their minds, African women having 6 children is just the way things are. No thought given to long-term demographic catastrophe which presumably will be averted by emigration to the affluent West–which after all, has too much wealth for its own good.

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  157. @Anonymous
    What Bill overlooked is that Hillary just can't hit it off with the white working class.

    She has no natural rapport with them.

    And if she brings up their pain, Trump can counter and blame her husband for Nafta and free trade and etc.

    I see Bill's point, but she couldn't run on this issue.

    She threw her lot in with identity politics of women, blacks, and homos. And she was too close to Goldman Sachs and attached to TPP to win on the issue of the forgotten worker.

    Also, she beat Sanders who ran left of her on labor issue, and she probably thought she could win over Trump too.

    When the dust settles, she will realize Obama stole her crown in 2008. And he was enabled by the very media that tried so hard to prop her up this time.

    But one difference between 2008 and 2016.

    In 2008, the media just ignored McCain and promoted Obama.

    In 2016, the media just ignored Hillary and vilified Trump.

    Vilification may have hurt Trump, but it also gave him free publicity and sympathy votes.

    Media had not much good things to say about Hillary but a lot of bad things to say about Trump. There was no sense of hope on Hillary side. It was not "Hillary is Great" but "Vote for Hillary even if she's awful because Trump is Hitler and Godzilla."

    PS. Bill must sometimes feel like Affleck in Gone Girl.

    In 2008, the Democrats could have nominated a corpse and it would have won. America was suffering Iraq Attaq fatigue (even though the Surge had largely succeeded by that point), and the economy was in freefall (remember the stone sober faces of Paulsen and every other so-called economic expert; they had very little idea how to stem the bleeding, and looked like deer in the headlights, so they came up with…bailout!). Even so, Obama only got 53% of the popular vote, largely because of the Halo effect and voter perception that the Democrats are the “party of the economy”. The last 8 years have probably killed the 70-plus year perception that the Democratic Party is the party of the American worker and the economy. Bill Clinton’s plain but simple truth spoken, that pretty much every US election is about the economy first (save for existential wars like 1861-1865 and 1941-1945), seems lost on the current and future generations of Democrat leaders.

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  158. @Sunbeam
    "In other news, a cherry cheesecake loving black person has called out Bernie Sanders to insist that the white working class is racist, and always has been. "

    Uh, what does that mean exactly? I really can't parse this. Do black people not eat cheesecake? I'm aware of the hate for mayonnaise, are we talking cream cheese too? Seen lots of black people eat lots of desserts. Had no idea cheesecake was the sign of the oreo.

    Actually... I'm pretty sure I've seen black people pick up those turtle cheesecakes or whatever it is at Sam's Club. So I guess I'm not getting this reference.

    The Urban Dictionary has a NSFW entry for cherry cheesecake.

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  159. @Hodag
    1. Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes.

    2. Bill Clinton took 4-5 hours on said machine.

    3. Hated it at the time but Bill Clinton is a genius. I would not be surprised if he walked around in his day at a 160.

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.

    4. Has anyone seen a better natural politician than B Clinton in their life? Very high IQ, gift of gab, total pussy hound.

    Yes, Reagan (though I am not a Reagan Nostalgist). Not sure about his IQ (probably not as high as Clinton’s, but higher than his enemies thought); like Clinton, Reagan had that Irish “gift of gab” as well; he was married twice, and worked in Hollywood for quite a while, so I’m sure he did fine with the ladies, although that America had a different moral standard.

    Plus, Reagan was elected by majorities that Clinton could only dream of; he really was that popular, not the “presidential approval poll” popular that was always cited for Clinton in the 90s. In contrast, Clinton never broke 50% to get elected. When Reagan died, there was a genuine sense of national loss. Reagan had a naturally and genuinely positive personality (happy-go-lucky Irishman?), which was a net benefit along with his political instincts.

    I’ll grant you that Bubba has an affable personality, but he always came across to me as a likeable huckster, someone who I’d probably enjoy listening to, but on guard for my wallet and my women. I get the sense when watching him that he’s continually scheming while he looks at you. When he passes to the great Beyond, I’ll say a prayer for his soul and comfort for his family, but I will not feel the same as when Reagan passed.

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  160. I can’t understand how the most read newspaper in the world doesn’t hire copy editors.

    They have more spellings & typos on that site than even my comments.

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  161. @Chrisnonymous

    Every hour on a heart/lung machine takes 5-15 IQ points away. Micro strokes
     
    You got a source for that? It sounds ridiculous. Open heart procedures are regularly hours long, so you'd have a stready stream of non-genius mere mortals coming out of surgery unable to tie their shoes.
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  162. @Aristippus
    In fairness, Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in '92 and almost 10% in '96 (in which Bill also got 49% and some change), so those were kind of weird elections. Maybe because I'm a millennial, so I was just a child during the Clinton administration, but the man seemed to ooze charisma. In fairness, I did recently watch a compilation of Norm Macdonald's Weekend Update burns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGY7jzq9pQI) on the Clintons, so it's nice to see some vintage criticism. Bill seemed to be able to bullshit most people and get away with it.

    Bill Clinton “oozed” alright – he oozed the description of a sociopathic personality as described by my Pysch 101 textbook.

    My thought when first seeing and hearing him was that this guy is too sleazy to ever get elected. People will see right through his “I feel your pain.” BS. Upon reflection, perhaps they did see right through his BS and either they didn’t care or (my personal belief) that was what they wanted.

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  163. First thing I want to point out is that this article conforms to the emerging Big Media Narrative that only the polls the week before the election count. The polls were much more wrong throughout the campaign, and much, much more wrong for the last six weeks or so before the election. All of that is being ignored by Big Media as irrelevant.

    Remember that, folks.

    ‘Bill didn’t buy the excuse that Comey would cost Hillary the election,’

    Hahahaha! BILL (B-I-L-L) Clinton didn’t even buy it. We’ve got commenters here who say they buy it, but B-I-L-L C-L-I-N-T-O-N doesn’t even buy it.

    He got so angry that he threw his phone off the roof of his penthouse apartment and toward the Arkansas River.’

    Some lucky dog just found the high-end-bordello/Energizer Bunny jackpot.

    After all, he knows something about campaigns, and he told me in early October that Hillary and her advisers were blowing it.

    Early October? Sounds like Bill started paying attention kinda late.

    ‘Hillary wouldn’t listen. She told Bill that his ideas were old and that he was out of touch. In the end, there was nothing he could do about it because Hillary and her people weren’t listening to anything he said.’

    Yeah, that sounds like something you say to someone who’s been on the bench for a long time. Not someone who’s been engaged the whole way.

    Hillary’s campaign advisers nixed the idea on the grounds that white Catholics were not the audience she needed to reach.

    This sounds like excuse-making from a candidate who isn’t very healthy, and doesn’t much like people, and is looking for excuses to sit home and eat bon-bons. It would be interesting to see a Hillary’s itinerary throughout the campaign, figure out what she was doing while avoiding public appearances. Big Media always makes it sound like she had something more important to do, but the impression I get is that she didn’t. Leaving aside meet and greets with the donor class, I bet she was the most reclusive presidential candidate in the last 75 years.

    I never cease to wonder at the unflagging intransigent journalism of the Daily Mail. It seems to me that the DM covers US events more quickly and thoroughly than most news outlets on this side of the pond!

    Profit motive minus political f*@!s given = better journalism.

    P.S., I think Bill was a brilliant politician. Political mind? Probably not.

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  164. @Anon
    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn't look like she's going to do much in life. She's also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he's married to a loser and criminal wife.

    Bill came from the lower class, and his family keeps those hallmarks.

    I know some people involved in the DNC during the 1990s. They have always said Bill did not like the homosexual agenda at all. He doesn’t want to be around them personally and was not eager for don’t ask don’t tell. Hillary hen pecked him into it convincing him he needed those votes.

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  165. @mobi
    Hillary being Hillary, once Bill offered his dissenting advice on the path to victory, she virtually couldn't take it. No way she would accept being seen to owe her victory to him.

    It's as though she was practically check-mated.

    So by Bill interceding with what might have been the winning strategy, he pre-empted her victory, and effectively saved the country, at least for a while longer.

    Maybe saved the world.

    Was Hillary check-mated or mate-checked?

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    "Was Hillary check-mated or mate-checked?"

    Whichever, it could not have happened to a more deserving stalemate.
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  166. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hey, that’s what I said.
     
    Given the 5-min edit window, I’d call it a ‘simulpost.’ After posting the OSU video, I refreshed the preceding “Staffing Open Thread” (which had no comments last I saw) and found that first post “Anonymous” beat me by 20 minutes (minus the ‘friendly fire’ video explanation). I had my comment ready to go since midday EST (via the Daily Mail).

    Looking upthread, Father O’Hara does the time warp ahead of you both due to Steve’s modding or the spam filter (?) coughing up submitted comments.

    A mystery to me is how some comments trickle in during the day while (I assume) Steve is sleeping. For example, in the “War on Thomas Jefferson” thread, Lagertha and SPMoore8 had comments approved that were timestamped after my pending comment, but the overall new comment volume was very low . . .

    We both noticed the same thing. I just wonder if Fox / Megan Kelly will notice it (or already did and lied). It is as if they are afraid of crossing the Rubicon and going alt-right. They know all the good material and stories are on our side, they just cannot get away from acting like good whites.

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  167. Hillary let us know that any difficulties between blacks and the police are due to “implicit racism” among police officers. Now her campaign communications director Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    This was just in case you thought the Democrats were learning. Could they possibly be any more patronizing or condescending?

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  168. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'm not sure if this is true or just some MSM puffery to make the Clinton's look human: There was a persistent rumor back when the Clintons first weaseled their way into the White House that Slick Willy had been very reluctant to shoot for the moon. The rumor claims that it was the little woman who saw the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presented by Bush the Elder's pathetic campaign and the very weak dimocrat primary field. She had to persuade Willy to run. How ironic if Slick Willy gained the White House by heeding his wife's advice and his wife lost it by failing to heed his.

    Oh he wanted to be President. It’s just that he thought he would run and lose in 1992, but do respectably enough that he could run again in 1996 (and win). The idea was that he would then be the literal “bridge to the new century” by having the last term of the 20th century and the first of the 21st.

    Then, at some point in the spring he realized he could win it all in the first attempt. Sort of like Trump–I think when he first announced he was not seriously expecting to get the nomination, let alone the Oval Office. But once he saw how he could beat the sixteen dwarves, he was “in it to win it” 100%.

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  169. @G Pinfold
    No. Bill is no Tammy Wynette. We saw that when he went ballistic about his record on health care in Florida a few weeks ago.
    He's also old school, his locker-room talk according to Trump is 'unbelievable, I can't even say it.' I'm guessing he never took to Mook, because you can't trust an aide who doesn't chase cooze. He was ambivalent on Huma.
    His IQ is not 160, as suggested by a commenter above. I'm sure when he sharpened his pencil back in the day, he knew that 'indolent' are 'indigent' are not synonyms, nor indeed antonyms; and he could even write a nuanced 800 word essay on how the words might nevertheless be related.
    But there's no way he knew whether the Chicago train would arrive before the New York train, or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.

    “…which number follows 5, 77 and 987…”

    Hm, I’m seeing a pattern develop with 5, 77, … but 987 invalidates it.

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  170. @Buzz Mohawk
    As the saying goes, "It couldn't happen to nicer people."

    This latest episode of The Clintons soap opera reminds me of older ones. There was the one where they had a scene like this on the morning of Bill's first inauguration, when Hillary threw something at him. Then there was another one in the White House, recounted by Secret Service, in which Mrs. Clinton broke a vase and gave her husband a black eye.

    Another saying goes, "Anyone can become president." Bill and Hillary are proof that indeed anyone, no matter how coarse, can and almost can.

    I'm glad The Clintons has been cancelled. It was becoming repetitive.

    The Trump Family promises to be a much nicer show.

    Exactly.

    The Clintons are irredeemably tacky. Criminal, venal and pathologically opportunistic. The worst is they don’t seem to like each other at all.

    The Trumps seem genuinely fond of one another. That alone is a major improvement.

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  171. @Harry Baldwin
    Was Hillary check-mated or mate-checked?

    “Was Hillary check-mated or mate-checked?”

    Whichever, it could not have happened to a more deserving stalemate.

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  172. I am always suspicious of perfect stories like this one. It seems too good to be true. Klein has a history of possibly dubious anti-Clinton stories, I believe. Can anyone verify whether Bill actually has visited this “Arkansas penthouse” in recent weeks?

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  173. @shacklefjord
    22

    Glen Beck has become David Brock.
    He's beyond desperate.
    He looks physically ill as well.
    I saw interview and laughed when he "revealed" the 2 names, So now the Cats outa the bag.
    Everyone will be clamoring to read steve's stuff.
    Watch what you wish for.

    I’ve always believed Beck is bi-polar. If we’re to believe him, he goes for long period in which he hasn’t slept; having watched him on his old Fox show, he demonstrated pressure of speech.

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  174. @Harry Baldwin
    Glenn’s an Irish Catholic who joined the Mormon Church and then went off the rails.

    The first clue that Glenn had gone off the rails was when he read the Mormon bible and said, "You know, this makes a lot of sense!"

    I tried to read the Book of Mormon but it made no sense to me. Every verse starts with “and it came to pass”. But I could never figure out why something was coming to pass and how it connected with anything else.

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  175. @candid_observer
    This is a very plausible story.

    But is it a true one?

    I don't know how many "insider" stories like this -- from anonymous sources of course -- I've read over the years that never seem to get confirmed, and which, often, contradict each other.

    I have some doubts about reports from anonymous aides that seem to quote both sides of the conversation. Was he listening in on a phone extension or did Bill have the conversation on speaker phone? If Bill tossed his phone off the roof, it implies this was on a cell phone. So, no extension phones, but that doesn’t rule out it being on speaker, I suppose. All a bit odd.

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  176. @Trumpenprole

    "Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock."
     
    It looks like a trailer!

    It does look like trailer. I wonder if the architect slipped the design by as a joke? I can just see the hidden roach-like motifs throughout.

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  177. @Trumpenprole

    "Bill has a luxurious penthouse apartment with an outdoor garden at the Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock."
     
    It looks like a trailer!

    I’ve often wondered how a private residence came to be atop the presidential library. Presidential libraries are built with donated funds–in this case, donations to a tax-exempt foundation. Once constructed, the library is then transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration, who operates and maintains the facility.

    How was the residence paid for, and who maintains it?

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    Its official name is The William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor.

    Don't you know nuffin?
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  178. @PiltdownMan

    How can anyone forget the Clinton rallying of 1992: “It’s the economy, stupid”.
     


    At the time, we didn't realize he was addressing his wife.

    Hillary and her people weren’t listening to anything he said.

    Hillary couldn’t hear anything Bill was saying because Huma’s thighs were blocking her ears.

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  179. @415 reasons
    I don't know how luxurious anything in Little Rock, Arkansas could be, even theoretically. "Luxurious" is a marketing term aimed at the elite bi-coastal class, therefore anything in Arkansas is essentially the opposite of luxurious (trashy) by definition.

    This is absolutely the dumbest comment I’ve read today.

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  180. @Harry Baldwin
    Hillary let us know that any difficulties between blacks and the police are due to "implicit racism" among police officers. Now her campaign communications director Jess McIntosh explains it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.

    Living in denial is a Leftist trait.

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  181. @Anon
    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn't look like she's going to do much in life. She's also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he's married to a loser and criminal wife.

    Bill came from the lower class, and his family keeps those hallmarks.

    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn’t look like she’s going to do much in life. She’s also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he’s married to a loser and criminal wife.

    I could go either way on that. If their relationship was relatively standard, I’d say there certainly the strong possibility.

    OTOH, once in a while, if you tend towards what society labels the sociopathic/antisocial end of the spectrum, and you meet a similarly minded woman, it is a very attractive force.

    It is a Bonnie and Clyde groove in that situation, the two of you having no moral code other than that between the two of you. And that doesn’t mean doing illegal stuff necessarily, just understanding that the two of you are less governed by outside moralities is utterly intoxicating for this type of personality.

    Because, you are with someone with whom anything is truly possible if the two of you decide upon it.

    I’m actually assuming that is the case between the two of them and I’m sure one continuing part of their relationship has him laughing his ass off at some shit Hillary has pulled off and he’s pretty proud of her. She delights in this as she is always trying to gain his respect, show him up a bit, in some area that he feels is important, a not uncommon male/female dynamic.

    IMO, she could care less, emotionally, about his infidelities other than how they affect their combined operation. Doesn’t mean she didn’t/doesn’t physically love the guy, just they are both anti-social type people and hence tend to both be and not disapprove of sexual promiscuity.

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  182. @G Pinfold
    No. Bill is no Tammy Wynette. We saw that when he went ballistic about his record on health care in Florida a few weeks ago.
    He's also old school, his locker-room talk according to Trump is 'unbelievable, I can't even say it.' I'm guessing he never took to Mook, because you can't trust an aide who doesn't chase cooze. He was ambivalent on Huma.
    His IQ is not 160, as suggested by a commenter above. I'm sure when he sharpened his pencil back in the day, he knew that 'indolent' are 'indigent' are not synonyms, nor indeed antonyms; and he could even write a nuanced 800 word essay on how the words might nevertheless be related.
    But there's no way he knew whether the Chicago train would arrive before the New York train, or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.

    or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.

    You should be careful about unleashing something like this on Steve’s audience. For my part, I’m sitting here trying to solve this….

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  183. @Jim Christian
    That is so....DEEP!

    I forgot to add music. Reread my comment while listening. It’s genius.

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  184. @415 reasons
    I don't know how luxurious anything in Little Rock, Arkansas could be, even theoretically. "Luxurious" is a marketing term aimed at the elite bi-coastal class, therefore anything in Arkansas is essentially the opposite of luxurious (trashy) by definition.

    Eh, somebody’s got to live in Little Rock to be the Arkansas elite. Their tastes are probably different than the Park Slope set, but not as different as you might imagine.

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    Eh, somebody’s got to live in Little Rock to be the Arkansas elite. Their tastes are probably different than the Park Slope set, but not as different as you might imagine.
     


    I spent three weeks in Little Rock for work the year before Clinton was elected president and drove around on weekends to check it out. The suburbs there look exactly like anywhere else in America, outside of the arid Southwest and California.
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  185. @neutral

    He must’ve had some really awesome interns lined up.
     
    They say power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, surely being the male spouse to the president probably has the complete opposite affect, it must be the ultimate turn off. Being the first husband, he would have as much attractive appeal to females as Denis Thatcher did.

    No one would ever address Denis Thatcher as Mr. President…

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  186. @Boomstick
    "He said Hillary should have gone into the South Side of Chicago and condemned the out-of-control violence."

    There's your explanation for the lack of a Sister Soulja moment last summer.

    At the same time as climbing aboard the BLM wagon. Yeah, that makes sense…

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    And where are the Mothers of the Movement today? Have they disbanded? Or, like The Band sans Dylan,will they tour on their own?
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  187. @Prof. Woland
    On Megan Kelly, they just showed that clip and claimed it was a Trump supporter who tackled a 'protestor'. They showed it to balance out the video of the 4-5 blacks who pummeled the white in Chicago. Trying to be fair and balanced I guess.

    Seems to me that Megan Kelly is a talking head pundit, not a news reader-presenter. Her cable program isn’t news, rather it’s a format to showcase her as a television celebrity (“star”). Pure entertainment television–no different than clickbait on the internet.

    At least the networks run prime time entertainment programming that isn’t mistaken as news.

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  188. @SPMoore8
    They really don't seem like a couple that is very close. I mean, you don't have a convo like this a week before election .....

    What it really suggests to me is that Bill is trying to come out of this smelling like a rose. Which also doesn't indicate any particular closeness.

    Uh, it was probably the moment they realized they might be losing the damn race. They ended up sending Kaine to Wisconsin after all. There was a lot of late campaign reshuffling of ad spending

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  189. @Henry Smith
    Mass purges of alt-right accounts on twitter:
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/twitter-initiates-mass-purge-of-alt-right-accounts-following-trump-victory/

    Daily Caller has had some good coverage recently. Here's another on how the media response to Bannon helps the alt-right:
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/major-media-outlets-are-playing-into-white-nationalists-hands/

    Use “Gab” (gab.com) instead. They don’t police content. Twitter is for twits.

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  190. @MarkinPNW
    Actually, that "Mormon Bible" strongly condemns pre-emptive war such as how the US invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. and gives solemn warning about conspiracies by "Secret combinations" to seek power and wealth at the expense of the freedom and liberty of the people (see 3 Nephi 3, Mormon 4, and Ether 8 from the Book of Mormon).

    But then, how many "Christians" actually read and follow what Christ said in the traditional Christian Bible. Seems a lot (most) people just read these "scriptures", whether Mormon (Book of Mormon) or traditional Christian (Holy Bible), to confirm already held biases.

    Good propaganda. Iraq War was not a preemptive war. You may have forgotten that since the Gulf War of 1991, the US never concluded a peace treaty with Iraq–merely a suspension of hostilities, with various resumptions during the Clinton administration. Also, the US enforced northern and southern no-fly zones over Iraq–a violation of sovereignty, and a mark that the US was militarily engaged with Iraq, even if low grade hostilities.

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    You'll have to refresh my memory as to just when Congress declared war on Iraq in 1991...
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  191. @guest
    Power is not the "ultimate" aphrodisiac. Fame is better. Famous people with no power whatsoever, and frankly nothing else going for them, get action.

    I’d say that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac for the possessor of that power. Fame is an aphrodisiac that stimulates attraction to the famous. Both characteristics fill the meaning in different ways.

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  192. @Jack Hanson
    I wonder about the size of the shitstorm if Trump brought Bill Clinton into his administration in some capacity.

    For some reason the Department of the Interior springs to mind,

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  193. ‘Bill said that constantly attacking Trump for his defects made Hillary’s staff and the media happy, but that it wasn’t a message that resonated with voters, especially in the rust belt,’ the source explained.

    These people live in an echo chamber. They circle jerk and build each other up with their own ideas totally oblivious and out of touch with any other points of view.

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    Twitter seems to be a losing technology for elites. It reinforces the circle jerk factor--they all tweet at each other and reinforce a common viewpoint via social pressure. You can watch conventional wisdom gel in real time as reporter's twitter feeds scroll by. Worse, the conventional wisdom is superficial and dumb. The 140 character format doesn't lend itself to subtlety or nuance or fine shading or developing a sustained argument. It's hard to even develop a thesis statement in 140 characters.

    At the same time non-elites can easily take the piss out of the high and mighty by tweeting clever 140 character snark. Snark doesn't need a paragraph to develop. In fact, if it's a paragraph long it's probably not good snark. This doesn't really affect the view the elites have of themselves, but the onlookers think it's hilarious. Especially if there's a Nazi cartoon frog involved.

    Twitter winds up making elites stupid and herd-minded, while at the same time opening them up to predation by lower-status, lower tech critics.
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  194. @Father O'Hara
    If those walls could talk...

    If my luxury penthouse by my Presidential Library is a-rocking –

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  195. @Sunbeam
    Personally I've wondered about this one for a long time.

    "The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
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    "Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."

    This is something that was around about 10 years ago during the height of the Iraq War nonsense.

    It sounds so f*#%ing stupid it could be true, you know?

    Recently Karl Rove claimed that he never said this. As far as I know, he had hitherto let the story go unchallenged for a decade. A pro-Bush review of an anti-Bush biography quoted this denial and put the story in the same category as a more obviously false story in which Bush lectured Jacques Chirac about Biblical prophecy. That was a great surprise to me – in my experience liberal and (however reluctantly) conservative media had all previously accepted the story as true.

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  196. @guest
    Newsflash: women talk a lot and don't like it when men interrupt them.

    This is exactly what we should have expected when we unchained them, let them out of the kitchen, gave them shoes, and stopped raping them every free minute so they could catch their breath and participate meaningfully and independently in the larger social world. It's only a matter of time before we will be forced to actually care about their endless yammering.

    give em an inch……

    The Swiss didn’t allow their women to vote until about 1960. It’s been downhill ever since.

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    The canton of Appenzell did not allow women to vote in cantonal elections until much later. And even then, it was basically forced on Appenzell by the federal government against a majority of (male) voters. Appenzell Ausserhoden gave women the vote in 1989 and Appenzell Innerhoden in 1991.
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  197. @Forbes
    Good propaganda. Iraq War was not a preemptive war. You may have forgotten that since the Gulf War of 1991, the US never concluded a peace treaty with Iraq--merely a suspension of hostilities, with various resumptions during the Clinton administration. Also, the US enforced northern and southern no-fly zones over Iraq--a violation of sovereignty, and a mark that the US was militarily engaged with Iraq, even if low grade hostilities.

    You’ll have to refresh my memory as to just when Congress declared war on Iraq in 1991…

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  198. @Forbes
    I've often wondered how a private residence came to be atop the presidential library. Presidential libraries are built with donated funds--in this case, donations to a tax-exempt foundation. Once constructed, the library is then transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration, who operates and maintains the facility.

    How was the residence paid for, and who maintains it?

    Its official name is The William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor.

    Don’t you know nuffin?

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  199. @Anon
    I wonder if Bill is regretful that he ever married Hillary. He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn't look like she's going to do much in life. She's also married to a loser with a criminal father. As for Bill himself, he's married to a loser and criminal wife.

    Bill came from the lower class, and his family keeps those hallmarks.

    ” He only has one kid, and Chelsea doesn’t look like she’s going to do much in life. ”

    She is, of course Webster Hubble’s kid, Not Billy boy’s,

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/webb-hubbell-no-comment-on-fathering-chelsea-clinton/

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  200. @Diversity Heretic
    All good points. I think Bill Clinton was living in the past. How exactly do you run against an economy when your political party has been in charge for the last eight years? Any attempt on the part of Hillary Clinton to distance herself from, and to criticize the economic policies of the Obama Administration would have brought at least the rebuttal that her tenure as Secretary of State had been, uh, "less than successful," and more probably a decision by Loretta Lynch that maybe extreme carelessness with classified information was criminally actionable, because, well, Michelle Obama would sure make a good Presidential candidate. Hillary almost succeeded with her strategy; unless Trump takes drastic action on US. population and electoral demographics, come 2020 a different candidate using the strategy will likely succeed.

    I think the obvious answer is you run against the Bushes again. Say that if the Obama-Clinton program loses we’ll be back in the Bad Old Days. Which might’ve worked better, because Obama is still popular. More popular than Hillary, anyway.

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  201. @Steve Sailer
    You can kind of see from the decline in prose style in "A Man in Full" toward the end where Tom Wolfe was in his book when he had open heart surgery.

    (Also at PiltdownMan, Jack D, and donut:)

    I’m aware of post-open-heart cognitive decline, and I agree that Wolfe’s recent work and interviews have been weak, but I was taking issue with 5-15 IQ points per hour of surgery. What was Wolfe’s pre-surgical IQ? And now he’s an imbecile?

    I’m at work, so I don’t have time to read properly, but it looks like more like 10 points per surgery is reasonable. Also, note that peri-operative factors may influence the decline. People have different successes recovering from stroke eg.

    The papers posted by other commenters don’t seem to support 5-15/hour.

    http://openheart.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000255.full

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4279342/

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    Agreed.

    Commonsense tells us an average figure of 5-15 points per hour is impossible. It may well happen on occasion, when something goes wrong, but it can't be the norm.

    Mea culpa for the misread.
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  202. @Forbes
    At the same time as climbing aboard the BLM wagon. Yeah, that makes sense...

    And where are the Mothers of the Movement today? Have they disbanded? Or, like The Band sans Dylan,will they tour on their own?

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  203. @Aristippus
    I don't think the pollsters were all acting in a crooked fashion trying to rig the election for Hillary with bad data. There were too many different actors without direct coordination for that to happen. Independent polling firms took a big hit to their credibility this election. Ironically, Trump supporters loved the LA Times/USC tracking poll and it was arguably, once the dust settled, the most inaccurate poll around. What's more likely is the pollsters had three big problems. The first was from demographic weighting. The last two elections with Obama saw historically high black turnout, so that screwed up polling and gave Hillary an edge because pollsters, based on the past two elections, assumed blacks would have the same high turnout, but they appear to have dropped back down closer to their historic levels in the last election. Similarly, pollsters expected women to have a higher relative turnout because they expected a greater enthusiasm to elect the first female president. The second is that the shy Trump voter, or generally shy right wing populist voter, effect seems to be real and that a significant percentage of the voting population does appear to be reticent about telling pollsters they support right wing populist movements like Trump and Brexit. The third issue is enthusiasm because very few Hillary voters were actually enthusiastic about her. She had support that was a "mile wide and an inch deep" and that came back to haunt her. Bill Mitchell, aka the anti Nate Silver, got a lot of flak talking about rally attendance and yard signs, but he was on to something. Online you have 4chan's /pol/ board and Reddit's r/The_Donald talking about being veterans of the Great Meme War (thanks to all their rare Pepes and campaigns like #SpiritCooking) and they exhibited outsized enthusiasm whereas the Clinton's campaign had to hire people like Correct the Record to "shill for Hill" and astroturf online support.

    Good comment Aristippus. Indeed the polling wasn’t that terrible. The samples almost certainly a bit off, but one could account for the final result simply by undecideds breaking from Trump at the end. Something that is entirely within past norms. (I pointed out even last year that one thing Trump had working for him is that Hillary was *known* a not well liked. She was unable to reach 50% in the polls. Bad sign and opportunity for Trump.)

    I’m super happy to not be facing Hillary! as our President–and all the cheesy media slobbering that would come with that. But folks should be realistic, this was a super close election. Trump is a half point behind in popular vote and while he got the necessary–Sailer Strategy–Midwestern breakthrough (in three states!) the margins were thin.

    Finally, Aristippus, I know you just want to live the good life, but throw us a bone by boning up on this “paragraph” invention.

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  204. @G Pinfold
    No. Bill is no Tammy Wynette. We saw that when he went ballistic about his record on health care in Florida a few weeks ago.
    He's also old school, his locker-room talk according to Trump is 'unbelievable, I can't even say it.' I'm guessing he never took to Mook, because you can't trust an aide who doesn't chase cooze. He was ambivalent on Huma.
    His IQ is not 160, as suggested by a commenter above. I'm sure when he sharpened his pencil back in the day, he knew that 'indolent' are 'indigent' are not synonyms, nor indeed antonyms; and he could even write a nuanced 800 word essay on how the words might nevertheless be related.
    But there's no way he knew whether the Chicago train would arrive before the New York train, or which number follows 5, 77 and 987.

    Sorry guys, that was mischief on my part. I knew full well what would happen. For what its worth, all I did was type in a third number that was not very big but didn’t seem to lead anywhere too obvious. I don’t know if that’s even hard to do.

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  205. She is, of course Webster Hubble’s kid, Not Billy boy’s

    I’m not conspiracy theories, but this one I buy. At least, that she isn’t Bill’s biological child. Her features fall very far from any kind of average of Bill and Hill’s. She has a very distinctive look that just doesn’t seem to have plausibly emerged from those two. I think Bill’s shooting blanks.

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  206. @Olorin
    A certain Duke of Gloucester, too.

    And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
    To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
    I am determined to prove a villain
    And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
    Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
    By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
    To set my brother Clarence and the king
    In deadly hate the one against the other:
    And if King Edward be as true and just
    As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
    This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up,
    About a prophecy, which says that 'G'
    Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
    Dive, thoughts, down to my soul...

    Thank you!

    It prompts the thought that Shakespeare would have enjoyed writing an entire play based on this year’s election.

    Alas, four hundred years too late. We’ll have to settle for some best seller or the other. Let’s hope there is at least a Joe McGinniss or a Theodore White out there, somewhere, who is equal to the task.

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    The wisest man I ever knew often said our lives are the works of the Cosmic Playwright. I always endow it in my mind with Shakespeare's features (as we have seen them represented).

    Through 2016 I've been chumbling that Will of Avon is one of two people who could have written such a year or limned a character such as Herself (Lady Macbeth being nearly there). The other: a toss-up between Euripedes and Aristophanes.

    Still, probably the best medium for it is People's Epic, like the songs and stories later written down as Eddas or Kalevala. A thousand years from now, children will put on frog masks for the Feast of Kek and remember the golden-pated Even Newer Colossus who with his bare hands scraped the lep'rous (((distillment))) off the bronze lady in His City and re-etched it with the lasers of his eyes.

    I wanted to pun on Lazar(us) and laser--but the call to Family Supper has come, and the brain turns thusward.

    , @guest
    It'd have to be low comedy, because democratic politics has not the grandeur for tragedy. You need aristocracy for great drama, as they had in ancient Athens and Elizabethan England.
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  207. @Patrick Harris
    Eh, somebody's got to live in Little Rock to be the Arkansas elite. Their tastes are probably different than the Park Slope set, but not as different as you might imagine.

    Eh, somebody’s got to live in Little Rock to be the Arkansas elite. Their tastes are probably different than the Park Slope set, but not as different as you might imagine.

    I spent three weeks in Little Rock for work the year before Clinton was elected president and drove around on weekends to check it out. The suburbs there look exactly like anywhere else in America, outside of the arid Southwest and California.

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  208. @Chrisnonymous
    (Also at PiltdownMan, Jack D, and donut:)

    I'm aware of post-open-heart cognitive decline, and I agree that Wolfe's recent work and interviews have been weak, but I was taking issue with 5-15 IQ points per hour of surgery. What was Wolfe's pre-surgical IQ? And now he's an imbecile?

    I'm at work, so I don't have time to read properly, but it looks like more like 10 points per surgery is reasonable. Also, note that peri-operative factors may influence the decline. People have different successes recovering from stroke eg.

    The papers posted by other commenters don't seem to support 5-15/hour.

    http://openheart.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000255.full

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4279342/

    Agreed.

    Commonsense tells us an average figure of 5-15 points per hour is impossible. It may well happen on occasion, when something goes wrong, but it can’t be the norm.

    Mea culpa for the misread.

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  209. @Bill Jones
    give em an inch......


    The Swiss didn't allow their women to vote until about 1960. It's been downhill ever since.

    The canton of Appenzell did not allow women to vote in cantonal elections until much later. And even then, it was basically forced on Appenzell by the federal government against a majority of (male) voters. Appenzell Ausserhoden gave women the vote in 1989 and Appenzell Innerhoden in 1991.

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  210. @PiltdownMan
    Thank you!

    It prompts the thought that Shakespeare would have enjoyed writing an entire play based on this year's election.

    Alas, four hundred years too late. We'll have to settle for some best seller or the other. Let's hope there is at least a Joe McGinniss or a Theodore White out there, somewhere, who is equal to the task.

    The wisest man I ever knew often said our lives are the works of the Cosmic Playwright. I always endow it in my mind with Shakespeare’s features (as we have seen them represented).

    Through 2016 I’ve been chumbling that Will of Avon is one of two people who could have written such a year or limned a character such as Herself (Lady Macbeth being nearly there). The other: a toss-up between Euripedes and Aristophanes.

    Still, probably the best medium for it is People’s Epic, like the songs and stories later written down as Eddas or Kalevala. A thousand years from now, children will put on frog masks for the Feast of Kek and remember the golden-pated Even Newer Colossus who with his bare hands scraped the lep’rous (((distillment))) off the bronze lady in His City and re-etched it with the lasers of his eyes.

    I wanted to pun on Lazar(us) and laser–but the call to Family Supper has come, and the brain turns thusward.

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  211. @PiltdownMan
    Thank you!

    It prompts the thought that Shakespeare would have enjoyed writing an entire play based on this year's election.

    Alas, four hundred years too late. We'll have to settle for some best seller or the other. Let's hope there is at least a Joe McGinniss or a Theodore White out there, somewhere, who is equal to the task.

    It’d have to be low comedy, because democratic politics has not the grandeur for tragedy. You need aristocracy for great drama, as they had in ancient Athens and Elizabethan England.

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  212. @Mike Zwick

    'Bill said that constantly attacking Trump for his defects made Hillary's staff and the media happy, but that it wasn't a message that resonated with voters, especially in the rust belt,' the source explained.
     
    These people live in an echo chamber. They circle jerk and build each other up with their own ideas totally oblivious and out of touch with any other points of view.

    Twitter seems to be a losing technology for elites. It reinforces the circle jerk factor–they all tweet at each other and reinforce a common viewpoint via social pressure. You can watch conventional wisdom gel in real time as reporter’s twitter feeds scroll by. Worse, the conventional wisdom is superficial and dumb. The 140 character format doesn’t lend itself to subtlety or nuance or fine shading or developing a sustained argument. It’s hard to even develop a thesis statement in 140 characters.

    At the same time non-elites can easily take the piss out of the high and mighty by tweeting clever 140 character snark. Snark doesn’t need a paragraph to develop. In fact, if it’s a paragraph long it’s probably not good snark. This doesn’t really affect the view the elites have of themselves, but the onlookers think it’s hilarious. Especially if there’s a Nazi cartoon frog involved.

    Twitter winds up making elites stupid and herd-minded, while at the same time opening them up to predation by lower-status, lower tech critics.

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    Wasn't Pepe' just a one-sentence snark in a Tweet or maybe Instagram?
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  213. @Anonymous
    The Merits of Mansplaining ....

    I used to manage exercise planning for a military unit. We used to go to exercise planning conferences where the major commands presented ... well, gave boring slide shows. The real work -- the give and take of exercise planning -- was done on breaks during the day on the back of napkins at the bar after hours.

    I hired a female officer to represent the unit at the conferences. Although briefed on the process, she never did get it that the real work was done on breaks and at the bar. She and the other female planners tended to isolate themselves during breaks and after hours in their own private tête-à-têtes, which meant they were ineffective in the planning process.

    I had to let her go after an avalanche of complaints about her from the field. She filed a sex discrimination complaint against me. A goodly collection of other female officers came to my defense. The complaint went nowhere.

    You probably dodged a bullet. I understand the atmosphere is downright ugly in that regard these days and growing worse by the hour. Is there anything that can change the culture under a President that wants to make changes, shut the petulant little princesses up? I’m talking about a President that doesn’t give a shit, like say, a Trump? If he put a SecDef in place that told the ladies shut up, man up or get out, along with a court martial for the ladies that refuse to go to sea when their ship sails (I’m an airdale, Nimitz, it was a big deal to miss movement) would all that fly? Or is the “Pussy Generation” (heh) too ingrained and dug in? Trannies, homos, the entire Alphabet Soup of Sexual Depravity, all legal now, can that be reversed?

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  214. @Boomstick
    Twitter seems to be a losing technology for elites. It reinforces the circle jerk factor--they all tweet at each other and reinforce a common viewpoint via social pressure. You can watch conventional wisdom gel in real time as reporter's twitter feeds scroll by. Worse, the conventional wisdom is superficial and dumb. The 140 character format doesn't lend itself to subtlety or nuance or fine shading or developing a sustained argument. It's hard to even develop a thesis statement in 140 characters.

    At the same time non-elites can easily take the piss out of the high and mighty by tweeting clever 140 character snark. Snark doesn't need a paragraph to develop. In fact, if it's a paragraph long it's probably not good snark. This doesn't really affect the view the elites have of themselves, but the onlookers think it's hilarious. Especially if there's a Nazi cartoon frog involved.

    Twitter winds up making elites stupid and herd-minded, while at the same time opening them up to predation by lower-status, lower tech critics.

    Wasn’t Pepe’ just a one-sentence snark in a Tweet or maybe Instagram?

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  215. @AndrewR
    Mook the "kid" may have had what is obviously a stupid strategy to us, but I really think you fail to understand how insular the 2016 leftist mind is. The intellectual inbreeding allows for stupid ideas to become exalted and reality to become the enemy. This isn't about him being young and gay although those may have been contributing factors. This is how the elites (and those who respect the elites) really think.

    “This is how the elites (and those who respect the elites) really think.”

    Right, and the troubling part is that in spite how they think being counter to reality, they almost won the election with it, thanks to their importing/buying the electorate, and owning the cultural heights of academia and the media.

    As the MSM doubling down on all their false narratives has shown, this recent (narrow) defeat will not make them rethink their approach. It is not over. Rightly or wrongly, the future will be more Mook, less Bill Clinton.

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  216. That was definitely the case. We saw more of Melania Trump.throughout the election.than.Bill. indeed he was often.shunted to the sidelines like one of Hillary’ s lowliest aides.

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